PHI @ NYG will be like that scene in Jackie Brown where that Arquette broad is all harassing DeNiro and he's like STOP IT STOP IT ::SHOOTS HER DEAD:: (aka the real week 4 thread)

cankles u know i love u but that was bridget fonda. otherwise otm

um wait except chi-det depends on whether or not grossman is behind center. if so i foresee a detroit victory, 28-10. if not, chitown all the way, 27-13

I am visiting saginaw michigan this weekend and my presence is enough to ensure a Lions victory, although if there is a defense that can make Grossman look good it's Detroit.

grossmans gonna get benched prolly

cleveland with a another home division game. After this weekend they will have played every divisonal opponent at home. a long season awaits.

bears will have like 5 interceptions that game. D outscores O. Of the undefeateds, I could see Colts going down.

HOU @ ATL → folcins (garbage)
BAL @ CLE → rovins
OAK @ MIA → rodirs (garbage)
CHI @ DET → lonis (garbage)
NYJ @ BUF → bolis (garbage)
GB @ MIN → pockirs
STL @ DAL → cowbiys
PIT @ ARI → stolirs
TB @ CAR → boccnirs
SEA @ SF → frotnnirs (garbage)
KC @ SD → chorgirs
DEN @ IND → colits
PHI @ NYG → gonits
NE @ CIN → potrits

so much junk in week four! I wish I could imagine that the bengals will have a secret D scheme that allows them to only slowly bleed points while carson palmer has one of the most amazing days of his career but oh whatever I don't even have to watch that fiasco on tv. I will probably get to watch ravens at browns though, whatever, fuck all of it. terrible week. denver at indy might be vaguely hilarious.

I mean there are at least three four more games I could call garbage up there but I'm not because I'm trying to pretend week four matters right now. god

we are at the bye week already wtf

HOU @ ATL - atl
BAL @ CLE - omg must win for browns and they shall
OAK @ MIA - mia
CHI @ DET - det
NYJ @ BUF - bilols
GB @ MIN - gb
STL @ DAL - dallas
PIT @ ARI - upset of the week
TB @ CAR - i refuse to acknowledge the existence of these two team by predicting a winner
SEA @ SF - sea
KC @ SD - sd
DEN @ IND - ind
PHI @ NYG - NY
NE @ CIN - ne

HOU @ ATL → houston
BAL @ CLE → cleveland
OAK @ MIA → miami (i actually think oakland will win but i can't bring myself to pick them on the road)
CHI @ DET → detroit
NYJ @ BUF → buffloes
GB @ MIN → green bay
STL @ DAL → dullest
PIT @ ARI → pittsburgers
TB @ CAR → carolinedrives
SEA @ SF → settle
KC @ SD → sam diegus
DEN @ IND → indianapolis
PHI @ NYG → philthy
NE @ CIN → nova anglus

seems like a pretty straightforward week.

HOU @ ATL - houston
BAL @ CLE - after watching kurt warner dice these guys last week, cleveland'll prolly win
OAK @ MIA - miami
CHI @ DET - r.i.p. nfc champs
NYJ @ BUF - jets big ;_;
GB @ MIN - pack
STL @ DAL - dallas is the 3rd best team in the league
PIT @ ARI - are we underestimating the wisenhut connection? pitt in any event.
TB @ CAR - one of these teams is really going to win the nfc south, huh? can we have the saints back?
SEA @ SF - seattle is v. good
KC @ SD - nothing helps a slump like damon huard
DEN @ IND - colts, over by halftime
PHI @ NYG - PHILLY
NE @ CIN - new england by 40 probably

HOU @ ATL - HOUSE
BAL @ CLE - CLEAV
OAK @ MIA - MIA
CHI @ DET - CHICA
NYJ @ BUF - JETZ
GB @ MIN - FAVER
STL @ DAL - the Smirk will lead DAL to victory
PIT @ ARI - PITTS
TB @ CAR - CAROL
SEA @ SF - SEAT
KC @ SD - SANDI
DEN @ IND - INDIA
PHI @ NYG - PHILL
NE @ CIN - NE 38-21

HOU @ ATL → TEXANS
BAL @ CLE → BROWNS
OAK @ MIA → RAIDERS
CHI @ DET → LIONS
NYJ @ BUF → JETS
GB @ MIN → PACKERS
STL @ DAL → COWBOYS
PIT @ ARI → STEELERS
TB @ CAR → DUNNO
SEA @ SF → FORTY-NINERS
KC @ SD → CHARGERS
DEN @ IND → COLTS
PHI @ NYG → IGGLES
NE @ CIN → PATTIES

i will be listening in a moving truck, hope i can get some good games.

So I watched the Steelers again last week and they looked Super Bowl awesome. They do the same things every week that they've done for 15 years= blitz, block and tackle. They make the other team self destruct and move in for the kill. Big Ben coulda been sacked three times when I was watching but nobody on the 48ers could tackle him. That team is poised. Indy/Pit/NE triumvirate this year.

wow brownie I know I'm the first guy to shit on the NFC around here because it ain't their decade but FFS indy/pit/ne "triumvirate?" at least pretend one of the Non Fawesome Caste will actually be in a playoff game

by which I mean I like to sit in bed at night and watch the packers eat foxboro alive with a mean pass rush and the neo-nerd-favre slasher awefense

in my mind

TOMBOT I'm talking AFC only, your NFC confuses, disturbs and confuses me. I don't even know what states half the teams play in.

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/slavery/slave-maps/map-free-slave-states-650.jpg

WAIT your hope rests with the Packers? nurse, he's up again ;_:

xpost

still can't believe the AFC "north" is stained with a border state

regardless of QB controversy solution I guess I'm still picking the lions.

GM and Kitna will strike amirite

crazytalk everyone picking the lions.

HOU @ ATL → oilers
BAL @ CLE → balmer
OAK @ MIA → fishes
CHI @ DET → mvp brian not-rex
NYJ @ BUF → jetropolitans
GB @ MIN → pack
STL @ DAL → cows
PIT @ ARI → steel
TB @ CAR → carolina unless david carr starts
SEA @ SF → fish tossers
KC @ SD → lightnin' bolts!
DEN @ IND → indy
PHI @ NYG → philly
NE @ CIN → pats in a close one!

30 and 18 so far

HOU @ ATL → Houston; I think Atlanta stays winless through October
BAL @ CLE → All respect due, but when did Cleveland suddenly become a juggernaut? Baltimore
OAK @ MIA → Oakland; i think 7-9 is a moral victory and they'll be in contention late.
CHI @ DET → Even with Rex benched, I'm picking Detroit; I dont' theink Chicago is going to fare too well in a shootout.
NYJ @ BUF → Jets and please wake me when it's over
GB @ MIN → Actually a tough pick! Green Bay would be the favorite here, but the Vikings have been losing close ones and I think they're pissed. I'm going minnesota.
STL @ DAL → Dallas is my survival league pick this week
PIT @ ARI → Pittsburgh
TB @ CAR → Carolina, I guess. Could we get rid of these guys and Jacksonville please?
SEA @ SF → Seattle
KC @ SD → San Diego, in a big messy angry win; LDT scores four touchdowns, kicks a field goal and deflowers a cheerleader
DEN @ IND → Indianapolis; I wish they'd play this game in New York though, I'd like to see what Denver's got
PHI @ NYG → Philoldelphia? I think? The giants are a bad team masquerading as a mediocre team and they keep having these ridiculous flashes of overwhelming competency. I halfway wish they'd just suck outright and quit giving me hope.
NE @ CIN → Gawd, I really WANT to pick Cincinnati, but it sounds like Rudi's gimpy. New England, unfortunately.

tom's on mushrooms.

nitenurse i thought

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/images/ency/fullsize/17094.jpg

25-22 on the season

HOU @ ATL → HOUSTON
BAL @ CLE → Teh Morons
OAK @ MIA → Fish
CHI @ DET → CHI
NYJ @ BUF → Jetes
GB @ MIN → MINNESOTA DO U C
STL @ DAL → Dal
PIT @ ARI → steel
TB @ CAR → TAMPA
SEA @ SF → 9'ers why not
KC @ SD → SanDiego for some reason
DEN @ IND → Indy
PHI @ NYG → philly
NE @ CIN → Cincy and the Over (sure...)

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/slavery/slave-maps/map-free-slave-states-650.jpg

RHODE ISLAND IS A STATE? SINCE WHEN? DID THEY RATIFY THE MAGNA CARTA WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING?

i used to hate on favre so much but it would kinda be awesome if GB went to the playoffs with him as the grizzled underdog, i think they will be my bandwagon team of choice a la last year's titans (who were only one game away from the playoffs!!!)

i hope that Norv doesn't become a scapegoat for the chargers season - he's not a very good head coach, but AJ Smith is the one on the verge of ruining this team, not norv.

well yeah the maraz are clearly responsible for keeping coughlin an extra year but that doesn't mean don't fire tom coughlin.

i don't understand that statement.

haha okay well, yeah, touche. tho i still think the giants were kinda smart making that move (or not making that move, rather) if for no other reason than they should have their pick of marty & cowher next year.

tho i still think the giants were kinda smart making that move (or not making that move, rather)

ok, i do understand that statement but i totally disagree. there's nothing more dispiriting that watching a team that's quit on it's coach. and the g-men pretty much cut the mooring lines to coughlin's ship last year i thought.

What should AJ Smith have done differently? Let's say that Marty was still there, without Bum Phillips, without Cam Cameron, without like five other key guys from the staff who left BEFORE Schottenheimer was fired. Do you think they'd be winning these games (against the beat team in football in New England, a come-from-behind loss on the road against 3-0 Green Bay) because of Marty's emotional leadership? Marty didn't make those game plans last year, and those guys were gone either way.

So instead of Norv, let's say you have a rookie offensive coordinator in Shelmon, Kurt Schottenheimer as defensive coordinator (even though both AJ Smith AND Dean Spanos hated that idea), an ongoing feud between the GM and Coach ... do you really think that would have been better?

I'm happy Norv is there because at least he has a pedigree as an offensive coordinator, unlike Shelmon. As much as I don't like Cottrell, I'll take him over Kurt Schottenheimer, and when you throw in Ron Rivera I like it even more.

The thing that troubles me more than anything is the fact that the offensive line can't seem to open up any holes for LT. It's not like LT is playing badly, he's just running into brick walls play after play.

Whoops I mean Wade Phillips duh.

i don't think they've quit on him! i thought that's why there didnt seem to be much bitterness after this last playoff loss, like everyone was at peace knowing they tried their best. or some bullshit. i just dont buy into the LOLGHLIN LOST HIS TEAM meme anymore.

Let's say that Marty was still there, without Bum Phillips, without Cam Cameron, without like five other key guys from the staff who left BEFORE Schottenheimer was fired. Do you think they'd be winning these games (against the beat team in football in New England, a come-from-behind loss on the road against 3-0 Green Bay) because of Marty's emotional leadership?

actually, yes! i know it's kinda cliched and it's one of those impossible-to-qualify observations, but one of the most underrated things marty brings to the table as a head coach is the way his teams take on his personality, for better or worse. SD looks like a team without personality right now, cf. LdT talking about being "lost" and the defense playing with none of last year's tenacity.

also, re: coaching - gameplanning is a very very small part of what a head coache's job is. if that's all you needed then jon gruden would be some kind of supercoach godhead.

also i think it's important to note that this wasn't just some "oh well they can't get along, time for sophie's choice" situation, it's an established fact that marty approached AJ on multiple occasions to try and smooth things out and smith would have none of it. aj is good at evaluating talent, good at overseeing a scouting dept, but overall he's done more harm to the team than good with his hardheadedness and ego.

it is weird how the o-line has been so "ehh" tho.

it almost seems like they were just like "oh we're the chargers, it'll come to us" and it hasn't yet and now they're really panicking when maybe they should have been in "panic mode" maybe a game and a half ago.

What should AJ Smith have done differently?

obv fired martyball at the end of the season and hired a real coach while one was still available.

HOU @ ATL → i do not like your Atlanta Falcons one jot, sir, not one jot.
BAL @ CLE → Ravens by 3pts.
OAK @ MIA → Miami, i guess.
CHI @ DET → seems like lunacy, but i have to go Lions. even if Chicago do turn it around thsi season, it won't happen overnight.
NYJ @ BUF → Jets have just enough
GB @ MIN → i still keep waiting for the GB wheels to fall off. not this time, though.
STL @ DAL → it looks bleak for the Rams. coaches have a lot of work on their hands to change the way the team plays mid-season and get some points. Cowboys.
PIT @ ARI → Steelers roll on.
TB @ CAR → shoot out! Panthers, probably.
SEA @ SF → Seattle. every time the niners lose, the 1st round pick they traded to NE gets higher...
KC @ SD → it would be pretty funny if the Chiefs won this, but they won't...will they?
DEN @ IND → i think the Colts will put the Broncos away more tidily than their last couple of opponents.
PHI @ NYG → tough call. which Eagles offense will show up, which Giants D? i think the Giants might do it.
NE @ CIN → seems unwise to go against the Patriots.

actually, with griese starting i think the detroit game is now going to be a lot closer. although the d is still fucked (tommie harris is out a month, still no word on briggs, vasher, or archuleta) i think they'll step up with a new qb on offense.

boy, they just looked all around awful against dallas, though.

the Chicago QB swap has the makings of one of those situations where the right result is had for the wrong reasons. i could totally see someone having a breakout season - maybe Benson figures out how to find his way to the secondary, or Greg Olsen turns out to be Li'l Antonio Gates - and all of the credit will be given to the brillantly courageous QB switch. not that i don't think Grossman on current form would be an excellent addition to the AFL, but this change feels like it's gonna play out all screwy somehow.

lamont jordan? i'm going against him today!

Yeah, he was helped (VERY SLOWLY) off the field right at the end of the first half.

that should help, i'm going against him, addai, marvin harrison, and brady.

steve mcnair is looking good right now for an 80 year old.

bring in rex already amirite

bears special teams continuing the trend of outscoring their offense.

Buffalo posing unique challenges for J-E-T-S LOL LOL LOL

Let there be QB conroversy!

i picked the bills this week because if they don't win this week they may not win a game all season and that probably won't happen. but i don't see them winning more than 3 games this year. sorry horseshoe, etc.

HEY GUYS WHY DOES ANYOOOOOONE STILL KICK TO DEVIN HESTER?

seriously, kick it out of bounds and give it to them at the 40.

or just pooch it and make some goon fair catch it at the 30. i don't get it.

wao bares.

finding new and interesting ways to lose games.

Browns win again and all of sudden Baltimore looks old.

broncos look like they would be a decent team if they had a quarterback. cutler looks grossman-esque on some of his throws.

It really is delightful watching manning call goal-line plays

holy cats san diego is worse than i thought...

It is Bizzarro Week #4.

Maltimore played like crap, those turnovers killed them. The Ravens cannot get behind three scores and win.

What the heck happened in the 4th quarter of that Bears/Lions game?

The Colts offense was about perfect. That second back Kenton Keith looks pretty good. Indy does have a few players getting knicked up.

sorry pittsburgers.

There's always a couple weeks every year that completely obliterate my pick'em average. I think I only got 5 or 6 of all the afternoon games correct.

(I did pick KC to win, tho!)

I need to spend more weeks bitching about the quality of the matchups etc. clearly it makes for better games all around.

I give up, Norv Turner sucks, fire AJ Smith, put me out of my misery.

Go Cal!

o noes! Westbrook out. :(

Pittsburgh looked like they were mailing it in today.

Dear Iggles,

I hate to make this request, but could you please come back out in the second half in your ugly yellow/blue throwbacks? They make you play like a real grown-up football team.

Thanks,
JF

KC didn't look great today, but San Diego is so weak this year. It's hard for me not to smile at this, even though LT, Merriman, and Phillips are cool players---because it's nuts to fire your coach after 14-2.

Alex Spanos should be forced to either fire AJ Smith or sell the team, because they've proven complete incompetence.

what giants defense is this?

g-men look like an actual football team!
thank god for no westbrook.

apparently when the Bills actually win people at Delilah's buy rounds of shots for everyone at the bar. so drunk you guys.

osi umenyiora is having a lot of fun out there.

apparently when the Bills actually win people at Delilah's buy rounds of shots for everyone at the bar. so drunk you guys.

and they're still in business? they celebrated their 5,000th night of being open on thursday.

oh, I think it was customers buying the shots, not the bar. still awesome.

re: ravens

i was at a wedding north of b'more saturday night, and stopped in b'more for breakfast on the way back. outside the palce i was going to eat there was this dude smoking a cig wearing a tee that said "baltimore: the city that reeds"

(there was a civic improvement campaign a few years back in which baltimore claimed to be "the city that reads." of course, this was never validated)

lol i was in baltimore once when that slogan was plastered everywhere - i believe it was inspired by the fact that bmore has the lowest literacy rate of any american big city.

also i made a joke on here once abt having a tshirt w/the slogan and some googler webmailed me asking where he could get one.

the bills don't win that often.

i was right abt the game, anyway! it's clear that philly's not a very good team without westbrook. or their two best defenders.

My mind is still reeling the next day, totally boggled about where the hell this NYG defense came from. WTF

well, spags was an eagles coach for a long time, so he clearly had a pretty good idea about how to attack the o-line's weaknesses.

i'm not even gona talk about the bears anymore. embarrassing!! ;_;

not as embarrassing as the chargers, though i suppose since the chargers beat the bears that point could be argued.

wow i didn't know the fargas --> huggybear connection.

giants motivation wuz to prove this thread title RONG

vikings season of shame ;_;

I am 28-33 on the season ;_;

shit I'm 40 - 22.

37-25 here.

I went 10-6 the first three weeks!

Weeks like this remind me why I don't gamble on football.

6-8? shit. i'm getting worse week-by-week. that was a pretty f'ed up weekend, tho (otm the gambling comment) the only picks i can take any satisfaction from are the Giants and "it would be pretty funny if the Chiefs won this".

the comments on ESPN stories are a goldmine. often significantly more interesting than the articles themselves.

frightfreeny (10/2/2007 at 1:46 AM)
I had to turn that game off tonight...the lovefest Tony Kornheiser was having with Tom Brady almost made me puke...do these guys realize the Pats have beaten 4 NFL bottom feeder teams with a combined record of 4 wins and 12 losses, they are mediocre at best...incredible bias...go colts!!!!!

awesome lack of irony and self-awareness right at the end there.

shit I'm 40 - 22.

me too, yay.