starting this thread to 1) talk about continued frustration w/footballoutsiders (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/) 2) (and more importantly) to pimp FIELD GULLS, which offers, no hyperbole, the best football analysis on the internet. i've even written the dude a couple of gushing fan emails (lol). but back to FO.
i've kinda bitched about them on ilx a few times, once recently on ilbb:
btw i picked up pro football prospectus 08 this week, having bought bp08 back in april (first time reading either one) - it's complete trash. the contrast in the quality of analysis, writing and scouting is unbelievable. i know there's certain built-in advantages wrt baseball stats-based analysis (and with the BP staff being much more well-connected in terms of relationships w/front office and scouting types) but the FO pps just do not compare at all to the BP dudes imo-- cankles, Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:24 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Link
-- cankles, Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:24 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Link
"complete trash" was definately unfair, and they deserve a little more consideration from me than that. the deal with footballoutsiders, for those who don't know, is that they attempt to apply stats and metrics based analysis to football in much the same way that the baseballprospectus people do with baseball. their team-based (and to an extent QB) metrics are reliable, but their statistical methods of evaluating individual player performance paint an incomplete picture. which isn't necessarily their fault, i don't think there's a team sport in which it's more difficult to distinguish the value of individual efforts than in football, but it leads to a lot of specious conclusions being trumpeted without any eyeball analysis to flesh them out. increasingly they're making their hay in the realm of bogus methodology, coming up with new stats and metrics and then working backwards to opinions and ideas that would justify them. this leads to my main problem with the bulk of their work: too few of them have an eye for scouting. mike tanier and to an extent doug farrar are excellent writers with very good working appreciations of the game, but for the most part the rest of the staff really has to fall back on their statistical chops to talk about football. it's an interesting way to supplement your knowledge of the game, but the signal-to-noise ratio sucks.
which leads me to Field Gulls, a blog dedicated to the Seahawks. i first found the site thru FO, when it was voted by FO readership as the best team-specific site or blog. the bulk of its posts are by John Morgan, a very good (if at times overly precious) writer with an uncanny eye for detail and an almost obnoxious work ethic. i mean, i don't give a shit about the Seahawks, and I'm sure most of you guys don't either, but the fact that I check the site obsessively really speaks to the quality of his work imo. the bulk of his insights come from hours of watching tape and grading players individually, and even when you come upon observations that you disagree or take exception with you at least know he didn't pull them out of his ass.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/
― cankles, Friday, 8 August 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)
hon. mentions:
peter king (SI.com) - not an analyst, more of an insidery gossip type. seems like a nice guy? i'm not much of a fan but he doesn't really bother me either, he doesn't seem to display pretentions towards being anything more than fluff.
gregg easterbrook aka tmq (espn.com) - hate this douche.
dr. z (SI.com) - hit or miss, but he's a good writer with legit knowledge of the game and for the most part refrains from engaging in hacky, self-righteous bullshit. the anti-rick reilly. or something.
not-sure-how-to-categorize-this-guy:
chris landry - actual scout, makes appearances on fox sports radio during the season and wrote columns for sportsnet canada last year (http://www.sportsnet.ca/bios/landry_chris/ <- archive here). writes like a scout, very dry and plain, but his actual observations are top notch. worked with belichick, ran the scouting combine in indy for a number of years, just knows his shit in general.
― cankles, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:09 (seventeen years ago)
random stuff
post on a texans blog explaining zone-blocking, v. informative - http://www.atexansblog.com/2008/01/11/soabout-that-zone-blocking/
― cankles, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:12 (seventeen years ago)
two times.
― chicago kevin, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:13 (seventeen years ago)
i read the michael reiss-penned "reiss's pieces" blog on boston.com for pats stuff. sometimes informative, sometimes not but constantly updated and he's at every practice and in the locker room and notices little things that usually don't make it into sport's columns.
― chicago kevin, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:14 (seventeen years ago)
reiss's pieces.
― chicago kevin, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:17 (seventeen years ago)
yeah, a sidebar to this is i'd love to know what you guys read to keep up with your fav teams. the perspective you get from guys close to the action usually paints a much different picture than the narratives you get in the national media.
― cankles, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:32 (seventeen years ago)
one more thing about reiss is that he live blogs all the games and gets injury updates before the tv guys does. if i'm watching the pats at home i usually am constantly refreshing his blog.
― chicago kevin, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:41 (seventeen years ago)
guys do. sorry, so SO fucking tired right now.
― chicago kevin, Friday, 8 August 2008 21:42 (seventeen years ago)
As far as my teams are concerned, I don't really have much respect for any of the beat guys for the Chargers. ESPN/CNN's coverage of the Chargers is usually more insightful, especially guys like Jeremy Green, Jim Trotter, etc.
― polyphonic, Friday, 8 August 2008 22:45 (seventeen years ago)
damn I just bought the football prospectus based on some internet reading; but otoh I'm a math guy and even if the numbers aren't as useful for fb as for bb, they'll still thrill me so fuck it
― Euler, Friday, 8 August 2008 23:52 (seventeen years ago)
BUMP
― David R., Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:54 (seventeen years ago)
Reiss has been methodically documenting every Patriots practice since camp started on his blog. The man is a beat-reporting machine.
Damn I'm skimming through this Field Gulls stuff--I know nothing of the 'Hawks myself but his level of detail seems pretty fucking intimidating. I wonder what his thoughts on Shaun Alexander (my least-fav "good" RB of the 2000s) are.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:08 (seventeen years ago)
yeah, he's required reading prior to setting your ff roster if you have any pats players.
― chicago kevin, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:29 (seventeen years ago)
the more i think about it, the more i feel i was probably too hard on footballoutsiders. there's some good writers over there who know a lot more about football than i do. i just tend to expect more from them than i do other outlets.
morgan's pretty merciless when it comes to the 2007 edition of alexander. here's his season recap for SA:
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2008/3/13/155548/559
― cankles, Thursday, 21 August 2008 16:15 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/magazine/04coach.html?pagewanted=all
― cankles, Saturday, 30 August 2008 10:59 (seventeen years ago)
lol guyz here is a football blog: http://reggieroby.blogspot.com/
currently writing for it: me, horseshoe, brownie (NB. he is not aware of this yet), some other a-holes
― cankles, Thursday, 11 September 2008 14:03 (seventeen years ago)
Nice job, a-holes!
Since we're pimpin', me and another dude started doing this a few weeks ago -- http://www.jockish.com. It "covers" all sports, tho -- the football posts (all two of them) (and they're barely about football) are filed under "White Lines". Don't hate me because my Peter King impression is some bullshit.
― David R., Thursday, 11 September 2008 14:47 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200810/nfl-eagles
andy reid breaking down the greatest game ever played
― cankles, Thursday, 11 September 2008 18:35 (seventeen years ago)
I think y'all are being kinda hard on easterbrook... after six years or whatever his act's worn pretty thin but he kinda jumpstarted this shit and while his hobbyhorses re blitzing and kicking are old, he's still right. Just wish he could change it up a wee bit...
― rogermexico., Thursday, 11 September 2008 20:17 (seventeen years ago)
even for an anti-semite easterbrook is unbearable.
― chicago kevin, Thursday, 11 September 2008 21:06 (seventeen years ago)
That Andy Reid thing is awesome.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 11 September 2008 21:33 (seventeen years ago)
hi rogermexico! how are you feeling about the Bills being AMAZING this year?
― horseshoe, Friday, 12 September 2008 06:19 (seventeen years ago)
love that Andy Reid article.
stinkin Rodney Harrison
― brownie, Friday, 12 September 2008 14:23 (seventeen years ago)
I think it's OK to be hard on a guy who has not had a novel thought about football in 5 years. It's like he thinks if he keeps writing the same three things over and over in his shitty column NFL coaches will read it one day and see the error of their ways. Unfortunately you can't easily find the football content amongst the stuff about outer space, shows on Sci-Fi, and cheerleaders.
I rss'd ESPN's divisional blogs this week--they're pretty useful for keeping up on player news and whatnot without taking up too much of my time.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 12 September 2008 14:41 (seventeen years ago)
The Easterbrook columns are tedious, but the NFL would be a lot better if some of the coaches took his advice about field goals and punting.
― Bill Magill, Friday, 12 September 2008 16:09 (seventeen years ago)
i may be alone in this, but i find that his being an ignorant, witless cunt is far more irritating than his recycling the two valid observations he ever made.
― Parenthetically Yours (Roberto Spiralli), Friday, 12 September 2008 16:17 (seventeen years ago)
don't forget being an anti-semite, he tries to worm his way out of that in a fashion that he would take to task in his column if, you know, he wasn't the douchebag in question.
― chicago kevin, Friday, 12 September 2008 16:31 (seventeen years ago)
Robert Spiralli OTM
― polyphonic, Friday, 12 September 2008 20:20 (seventeen years ago)
As I always say to myself when considering Easterbrook, the guy is in a goddamn think tank. Pretty sad when all of his rants against the Pats last year made no sense whatsoever. There are rocks that have displayed better reasoning skills.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 12 September 2008 21:46 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ab938e&template=with-video&confirm=true
this practically gave me a boner
― cankles, Friday, 12 September 2008 23:47 (seventeen years ago)
The AFC-EAST LEADING Bills? I am bulletproof until 4:15 PM PST Sunday. A win on the road in Jacksonville positions them for an attainable 5-0 start.
But I'm a Bills fan, so my heart is fully anticipating 1-4 :-)
― rogermexico., Saturday, 13 September 2008 02:20 (seventeen years ago)
Cankles and the anatomy of a play.
Do you watch tape? (Serious question btw)
― brownie, Saturday, 13 September 2008 02:54 (seventeen years ago)
yeah, i spent most of the week breaking down the lions game - my notes on it ended up being 34 pages long (i'm not joking). my roster breakdowns were based on that and on the 3 preseason games i saw.
― cankles, Saturday, 13 September 2008 03:52 (seventeen years ago)
wtf!
Reading that Andy Reid/Atlantic article made me want to get a hold of the 1958 championship game as well as any regular season games. Jim Brown went his usual bananas that year.
Why isn't that available for purchase? or is it?
― brownie, Saturday, 13 September 2008 04:05 (seventeen years ago)
Mr. Anonymous from Reeds Spring, Mo., writes: Yes, it's too bad that Tom Brady got hurt, but he puts his pads on like all the other players do. Chiefs QB Brody Croyle was also injured, and no one has said anything about it? What's up with that?Tim Graham: Because it doesn't matter who the Chiefs' QB is.
Tim Graham: Because it doesn't matter who the Chiefs' QB is.
i just decided i like the guy who does ESPN's AFC East blog.
― 1982 World Cup wall chart (Roberto Spiralli), Saturday, 13 September 2008 17:06 (seventeen years ago)
Whoa, really? That's kinda awesome.
I should do this with Chargers games now that I have a DVR.
― polyphonic, Saturday, 13 September 2008 17:53 (seventeen years ago)
I met Dr. Z about 3 weeks ago. He essentially told me that he can't stand Peter King whom he considers a sellout. This was in a bar adjacent to a Mexican restaraunt, and Z was lit up like a Christmas tree.
― Bill Magill, Saturday, 13 September 2008 19:18 (seventeen years ago)
Gregg Easterbrook does royally suck. and he keeps trying to pimp his right wing book which got lukewarm reviews
― Officer, I Just Shot Seven People (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Saturday, 13 September 2008 21:10 (seventeen years ago)
I like Dr. Z a lot. his comment about Hell being an eternal ESPN broadcast of a Brett Favre game was hilarious.
― Officer, I Just Shot Seven People (Bo Jackson Overdrive), Saturday, 13 September 2008 21:14 (seventeen years ago)
I don't consider Peter King a sellout, I consider him an idiot.
― polyphonic, Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:00 (seventeen years ago)
aw guys justin tuck
http://www.nj.com/giants/roadtrip/index.ssf/2008/01/ny_giants_justin_tuck_has_root.html
mb he should have his own thread
― cankles, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 05:29 (seventeen years ago)
This is still the place where Justin, inspired by cartoons, would run through the house screaming, "By the power of Greyskull!" or "I have the power!" He was nicknamed "He-Man" after his hero, but also because he was the biggest kid in town.
that's great alabama writing, not great football writingI see yr point though
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 05:48 (seventeen years ago)
yeah actually afterwards i realized that this wasn't the kind of thing to highlight for its great writing, but i was kinda charmed by it nonetheless
― cankles, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 06:10 (seventeen years ago)
if we ever open the Flying Dawkins, perhaps we can name the basement Justin-Skull
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 06:15 (seventeen years ago)
also he is not a football writer, just a fan, but I am loving Ta-Nehisi Coates blogging at the Atlantic
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 06:19 (seventeen years ago)
Coates is great; I didn't know he wrote about football, too!
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 06:52 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A40965212
limey football column; better than TMQ right off the bat for having a "Douche Of The Week" section
― cankles, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 20:20 (seventeen years ago)
better than TMQ because it's anything else, at all, ever.
― for mash get Smash (Roberto Spiralli), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 20:24 (seventeen years ago)
i'm just sayin i mean has the bro even had contact with the hateful patriots since his "injury" i ask you. faker -- just wants to go live in tribeca and eat some bagels.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 19:55 (seventeen years ago)
Hell peeps can't leave the Patsies alone and just enjoy their team's strong opening against a weak-ass schedule that will correct itself shortly.
― What's good for Wall Street (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 19:57 (seventeen years ago)
haha what?
Cassel named AFC Offensive Player of the Week
― claudia schefter (daria-g), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 20:02 (seventeen years ago)
LenDale White can't get any love?
― What's good for Wall Street (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 20:04 (seventeen years ago)
titans are going to be the "no name offense" this year
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 20:09 (seventeen years ago)
cassel is getting brady's sloppy seconds from the sportswriters
― omar little, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 20:11 (seventeen years ago)
that is some rough shit on lendale white. holy smokes.
― j.q higgins, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 20:46 (seventeen years ago)
Reilly is basically terrible nowadays but this seems importanthttp://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3653401
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:20 (seventeen years ago)
no fatteys allowed
― my sweet coconut (rogermexico.), Thursday, 23 October 2008 06:19 (seventeen years ago)
Mike Tanier should basically get a free ticket for this thread, or a thread of his own:
I am Hypno-Coach. Look into my bulging eyes and obey.You thought I was just a great linebacker, Samurai Mike and all that, but I am much more. I learned the secrets of mesmerism from Mike Ditka, who learned them from George Halas, whose grandpa learned them from Franz Mesmer himself. You are falling deeper, deeper into a trance with my every word.The 49ers are a successful franchise. They are fun to watch. They will win the Super Bowl.OBEY.You believe it. You can feel it. You have no desire to resist my dominance. You will become my pawn, my minion. Just ask my so-called "boss," Jed York:Jed York: I serve only Hypno-Coach. I will spend money to sign great defenders so he can rebuild the 1985 Bears. I will no longer allow the team to draft quarterbacks with small hands. I will not move the franchise to Los Angeles, San Jose, Anaheim, Azusa, or Cucamonga.Like York, you will become a marionette, bound to my will. You will say nice things about the Niners. You will buy Patrick Willis jerseys. Even the strongest-willed people have bent like reeds before my awesome power. Just ask my offensive coordinator.Mike Martz: I will run the ball 25 times per game. I will use fullbacks and tight ends in pass protection packages. I will control the clock. I ... must ... fight ... Greatest show on turf! Four wide receivers! Bomb to Isaac Bruce!No, no: Look into my eyes. Get lost in my stare. I am the cobra. You are the gerbil.Mike Martz: I serve Hypno-Coach and only Hypno-Coach. Frank Gore will run off tackle on second-and-8.
You thought I was just a great linebacker, Samurai Mike and all that, but I am much more. I learned the secrets of mesmerism from Mike Ditka, who learned them from George Halas, whose grandpa learned them from Franz Mesmer himself. You are falling deeper, deeper into a trance with my every word.
The 49ers are a successful franchise. They are fun to watch. They will win the Super Bowl.OBEY.
You believe it. You can feel it. You have no desire to resist my dominance. You will become my pawn, my minion. Just ask my so-called "boss," Jed York:
Jed York: I serve only Hypno-Coach. I will spend money to sign great defenders so he can rebuild the 1985 Bears. I will no longer allow the team to draft quarterbacks with small hands. I will not move the franchise to Los Angeles, San Jose, Anaheim, Azusa, or Cucamonga.
Like York, you will become a marionette, bound to my will. You will say nice things about the Niners. You will buy Patrick Willis jerseys. Even the strongest-willed people have bent like reeds before my awesome power. Just ask my offensive coordinator.
Mike Martz: I will run the ball 25 times per game. I will use fullbacks and tight ends in pass protection packages. I will control the clock. I ... must ... fight ... Greatest show on turf! Four wide receivers! Bomb to Isaac Bruce!
No, no: Look into my eyes. Get lost in my stare. I am the cobra. You are the gerbil.
Mike Martz: I serve Hypno-Coach and only Hypno-Coach. Frank Gore will run off tackle on second-and-8.
― TOMBOT, Friday, 24 October 2008 07:22 (seventeen years ago)
You know about the running game of Chris Johnson (Milli) and LenDale White (Vanilli, after eating Terence Trent D'Arby).
― TOMBOT, Friday, 24 October 2008 07:49 (seventeen years ago)
Mike Tanier: OTM
― my sweet coconut (rogermexico.), Friday, 24 October 2008 07:55 (seventeen years ago)
I guess that's what happens when your board is really only active for 1/4th of the year.
― TOMBOT, Friday, 24 October 2008 07:57 (seventeen years ago)
magical wish-granting!
― my sweet coconut (rogermexico.), Friday, 24 October 2008 15:16 (seventeen years ago)
tom i have been tempted on multiple occasions to just quote entire tanier articles in this thread, esp this week's - fried gold, all of it
― ಥ﹏ಥ (cankles), Friday, 24 October 2008 23:38 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/magazine/04coach.html
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 04:49 (seventeen years ago)
reading about his receiver training methodology and realizing he coached wes welker explains a little bit about wes welker, to me
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 05:37 (seventeen years ago)
I kinda wonder why texas tech under him hasn't become like a pro receiver factory, frankly
hey this is fantastic. i never watch college football except happened to be home sick saturday night & saw completely awesome texas/texas tech game
Last year, after a loss to Texas A.&M. in overtime, Leach hauled the team into the conference room on Sunday morning and delivered a three-hour lecture on the history of pirates.
― T-PALIN (daria-g), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 05:52 (seventeen years ago)
I keep thinking that says "pilates"
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 19:51 (seventeen years ago)
chris landry's been plagiarising michael lombardi, according to PFT. florio's a turd but i dont have much trouble buying it. either way, this shit is fascinating to me:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/02/a-stunning-case-of-internet-nfl-plagiarism/http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/03/smoking-gun-emerges-in-landry-situation/http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/05/landry-denies-plagiarism/http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/05/landry-on-duemig-live-blog/
http://620wdae.com/cc-common/podcast.html
landry's written content this year was a lot sloppier and hackier than what i was used to, so as i said before i find this pretty easy to believe.
― cankles, Saturday, 6 December 2008 09:18 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/12/sportsnetca-apologizes/http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/12/statement-on-chris-landry/
― cankles, Saturday, 6 December 2008 09:20 (sixteen years ago)
for all of you easterbrook haters - i'm sure you've seen this, but just in case:TMQ parody
― k3vin k., Saturday, 6 December 2008 19:23 (sixteen years ago)
That was hard to read, by virtue of being like a TMQ column.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 December 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago)
that was awesome
Oh Ye Mortals, Trifle Not With The (Clearly Christian) Football Gods: Pittsburg of Kansas ran up the score again! TMQ is fucking pissed! Football is for learning! The coach of Pittsburg is clearly a point-grubbing Jew.
― cankles, Saturday, 6 December 2008 22:00 (sixteen years ago)
This week's New Yorker piece by Gladwell comparing college QB scouting to finding quality grade school teachers was pretty compelling:http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/15/081215fa_fact_gladwell
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:13 (sixteen years ago)
I read that and at usual at first I'm like "this is interesting" and then I finished and thought about it and was kind of really mad I had wasted any time on it at all. Anybody who follows football doesn't need his Big Bird explanation of drafting QBs and the college defense vs. pro defense problem, and frankly he kinda gives you the same sesame street version of the teaching issues. Then he has nowhere to go with it, because one situation would be solved easily if you threw a little more money and time into it, while the other situation is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN EVERY WAY, so he writes "then he threw an interception" ET FIN. it's not good football writing, it's not even good writing any way you look at it. it's a fucking freshman year essay assignment. "pick two professions!"
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 17:41 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah, I don't agree. It seemed like pretty standard Gladwell peering into a tube and writing about what he sees exercise; most of his pieces come off that way. I thought the implied suggestion that NFL teams should lobby to draft fifteen unproven youngsters at QB and see who sticks was kind of an interesting one.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 20:16 (sixteen years ago)
yeah, there's also the problem of players at 22 not at all ready for the big leagues, but eight years later they're Mr. Monday Night starting for the Steelers and blowing up quarterbacks on the regular
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago)
I thought the implied suggestion that NFL teams should lobby to draft fifteen unproven youngsters at QB and see who sticks was kind of an interesting one.
Teams often don't even give their third-team guy a real shot of competing for the QB 1 position, and you can't judge a QB by his performance against the third-team, or worse, and there are only so many reps to go around. Ideally you would bring in a bunch of guys and give them all the same amount of consideration, but that just isn't realistic. And second, quarterback is not so important that it would be better to draft 15 qb's instead of loading up across the board. Gruden is an example of a guy who brings in a bunch of quarterbacks, but now it seems obvious that his best option was the guy at the top of the depth chart, who made the most money. Is it better to take reps away from Garcia and give them to 10 undrafted rookie/arena QBs just in case one of them is a diamond in the rough? The fact that a guy like Tom Brady is so noteworthy is because his success is so unusual. Here's a list of many of this season's best QBs:
Warner: undraftedBrees: 2nd round, 32rd pick overallPennington: 1st roundCutler: 1st roundManning: 1st roundRyan: 1st roundCampbell: 1st roundRivers: 1st roundCassell: undraftedGarrard: 4th roundE Manning: 1st roundCollins: 1st roundFavre: 2st round, 33rd overall
In other words, three unlikely stars, and a lot of guys who were supposed to be good. You can stretch to include Delhomme, Garcia, etc., but the bottom line is that lower-round guys pan out less often that upper-round people, partly because of opportunity, but also because of innate lack of talent.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago)
has gladwell always been like that or have his recent essays been particularly bad?
― beyonc'e (max), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago)
He has his whole archive of NYer stories up in his homepage site, you can judge for yourself- personally I think he's really gone downhill since he took off to write the latest book
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago)
I think he's gone downhill, but I never thought he was especially astute. His gift has always been storytelling rather than analysis.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 21:27 (sixteen years ago)
Hm. without being challopy, i saw it he other way round.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 23:06 (sixteen years ago)
I basically agreed with 95% of what Kakutani wrote (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/books/18kaku.html), although I still think Gladwell is good fun.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 23:28 (sixteen years ago)
tom otm, tho I found it interesting just cuz the teaching side of it was new to me (lol @ teacher WARP), and that shit is fascinating to me on a multitude of personal levels - that said, his take on the football stuff was really disingenuous, most notably because the quarterback 'problem' he builds his thesis around doesn't actually exist. there's plenty of legitimate reasons why mcnabb succeeded where akili smith failed, and he doesn't bother to explore any of them. that's not to say there isn't an element of luck in finding an NFL QB, and it is certainly the most difficult position to project, but he makes a lot of assertions that aren't earned by the words preceeding them.
― cankles, Thursday, 11 December 2008 04:55 (sixteen years ago)
btw, this was my favorite player writeup in PFP 08 (Tashard Choice)
"I'm a Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech, and a hell of an EngineerA Helluva, Helluva, Helluva, Helluva, Helluva EngineerLike all the jolly good punishing backs, I make my intentions clear.I'm a Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech and a hell of an Engineer."If I'm behind Marion Barber, sir, resplendent in blue and gray,And that violent running style of his makes the ambulance take him away.If Jerry Jones had drafted me, sir, I'll tell you what he'd say --'Get that Tashard kid out there!' as I blow the defenders away!"Oh, I wish I had a football in hand, and a depth chart that wasn't so packedBehind these Jones and Barber guys, they might never see how I attack.Over 3,000 collegiate yards, and now I'm supposed to say,'I'm a Ramblin', Gamblin', HELL OF AN ENGI ... Special teams? Well, OK...'"
"If I'm behind Marion Barber, sir, resplendent in blue and gray,And that violent running style of his makes the ambulance take him away.If Jerry Jones had drafted me, sir, I'll tell you what he'd say --'Get that Tashard kid out there!' as I blow the defenders away!
"Oh, I wish I had a football in hand, and a depth chart that wasn't so packedBehind these Jones and Barber guys, they might never see how I attack.Over 3,000 collegiate yards, and now I'm supposed to say,'I'm a Ramblin', Gamblin', HELL OF AN ENGI ... Special teams? Well, OK...'"
― cankles, Thursday, 11 December 2008 05:25 (sixteen years ago)
when did football writers (sportswriters in general) start saying "win out" and "lose out" in reference to a team's record in the last few games of the season? is this new?
― I DON'T MIND THE NFL (daria-g), Friday, 12 December 2008 00:42 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/07/drunkards-light-posts-and-myth-of-370.html
debunking FO's crappy statistical methodology
― cankles, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 13:42 (sixteen years ago)
from the comments on this week's QUICK READS - http://footballoutsiders.com/fo-espn-quick-reads/2008/2008-quick-reads-week-15
Re: 2008 Quick Reads: Week 15by Love is like a bottle of gin (not verified) :: Mon, 12/15/2008 - 10:24pmWhy would you reinforce flawed statistical thinking by talking about the vaunted curse of 370 and acting like Turner might be fine if he can only manage to finish with 368 carries?Surely if the hypothesized explanatory/causal mechanism is additional wear, then approaching 370 is only minutely worse than hitting 370 and it gets progressively worse the further you go. Sports is already way way too benchmark focused, don't give into temptation/sloth and perpetuate this (This comment has as much to do with the FO's overall comments and attitude towards "370" as it does this article).replyRe: 2008 Quick Reads: Week 15by DeltaWhiskey :: Tue, 12/16/2008 - 6:28amhttp://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/07/drunkards-light-posts-and-myth-o...replyRe: 2008 Quick Reads: Week 15by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Tue, 12/16/2008 - 9:10amThe thing that frustrates me about FO is that, for a professional statistician, Aaron doesn't seem to know much about statistics. I have a feeling that if I asked him about a T-test or an ANOVA he'd go, "what's that?" He doesn't do X-square tests on his correlations either. Statistical significance matters.(Formerly "The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly")reply
Why would you reinforce flawed statistical thinking by talking about the vaunted curse of 370 and acting like Turner might be fine if he can only manage to finish with 368 carries?
Surely if the hypothesized explanatory/causal mechanism is additional wear, then approaching 370 is only minutely worse than hitting 370 and it gets progressively worse the further you go. Sports is already way way too benchmark focused, don't give into temptation/sloth and perpetuate this (This comment has as much to do with the FO's overall comments and attitude towards "370" as it does this article).reply
Re: 2008 Quick Reads: Week 15by DeltaWhiskey :: Tue, 12/16/2008 - 6:28am
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/07/drunkards-light-posts-and-myth-o...reply
Re: 2008 Quick Reads: Week 15by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Tue, 12/16/2008 - 9:10am
The thing that frustrates me about FO is that, for a professional statistician, Aaron doesn't seem to know much about statistics. I have a feeling that if I asked him about a T-test or an ANOVA he'd go, "what's that?" He doesn't do X-square tests on his correlations either. Statistical significance matters.
(Formerly "The McNabb Bowl Game Anomaly")reply
― cankles, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 13:43 (sixteen years ago)
lol
― josephcharles, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 14:54 (sixteen years ago)
time to add to the list of essentialz
michael lombardi's been doing some of the best analysis on the net for the National Football Post (other dudes on that site are worth reading as well)http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/author/mike-lombardi/
totaltitans is very good even if you don't care about the titans, special mention goes to Tom Gower's postshttp://mvn.com/totaltitans/
tom's personal football blog is here - http://residualprolixity.blogspot.com/ - mostly he just links to interesting shit, some of which i will now highlight
advancednflstats comes from an angle similar to FO - ~*~*~TOMBOT~*~*~ you will love this, http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/01/single-point-failure-model-of-passing.html - at least, i loved it, cuz it's a p. crucial piece of the puzzle that is often overlooked
smartfootball also ownes and is in a similar analytical-ass vein, here's a great post on the Colts' concepts in the passing game:http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/01/peytons-favorite-pass-play-levels.html
SF and ANS tend to make a point of differentiating themselves from FO by way of *putting down* FO and it tends to come off as bitterness, but all three sites have plenty to contribute to the discussion
pro-football-reference's blog is consistently p. interesting, usually coming at shit from an analytical pov:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/
florio's a turd but i generally keep up with PFT:http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/
travis doesnt update enough, but quirkyresearch has some interesting stuff interspersed throughout:http://quirkyresearch.blogspot.com/
greg cosell of nfl films fame is THE SHIT:http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/greg-cosell/archive.html
PFW is pretty good, i like the Scouts Eye and Audibles sections best:http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/default.htmhttp://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/Scouts+Eye/default.htmhttp://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/Audibles/default.htm
finally, the espn transactions pagehttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/transactions
btw, where's Raposa been? havent seen that dude around for a while~
― my heigl-lohan girl (who's also latina and half-jewish) (cankles), Saturday, 7 February 2009 00:43 (sixteen years ago)
also, does anyone own this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671453947/ref=cm_cr_dp_orig_subj
i'm thinking i need a copy
edsbs the best college futbol blog in tha landhttp://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/
― my heigl-lohan girl (who's also latina and half-jewish) (cankles), Saturday, 7 February 2009 00:53 (sixteen years ago)
doc saturday also goodhttp://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday
― my heigl-lohan girl (who's also latina and half-jewish) (cankles), Saturday, 7 February 2009 00:54 (sixteen years ago)
delicious, succulent breakdowns of the GT flexbone offense (football porn):
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Smoke-mirrors-and-other-lies-Deconstructing-Ge?urn=ncaaf,125409http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2008/12/paul-johnsons-flexbone-meets-run-and.html
― my heigl-lohan girl (who's also latina and half-jewish) (cankles), Saturday, 7 February 2009 01:23 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200901/football-television/
For millions of football fans watching at home every Sunday, it seems as though NFL games make a seamless transition from the gridiron to the television screen. But spend a weekend with a network production crew, and you’ll discover what it really takes to turn the on-field action into televised entertainment..
― here sharky shark (daria-g), Monday, 9 February 2009 19:46 (sixteen years ago)
florio @ pro football talk got started by writing a novel...QUARTERBACK OF THE FUTURE
― итало электро брейк (daria-g), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 23:46 (sixteen years ago)
ahahha i just saw that and was gonna post about it... in the proud tradition of this jason elam has authored two spy novels called 'MONDAY NIGHT JIHAD' and 'BLOWN COVERAGE'
― s1ocki kong country (cankles), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 23:47 (sixteen years ago)
not entirely football related, but the SI article on bankrupt pro athletes had some shocking stats.... 78% of ex-NFL players are either bankrupt or under financial stress two years after retirement. http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153364/index.htmOne assumes the other 22 percent are kickers or Mannings?
― WOOKIE JOHNSON (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2009 02:26 (sixteen years ago)