rolling "vince young player of the week" thread

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/bob_blog/vinceyoung.jpg

post here when a player acts butthurt in a vince young refusing to take the field kind of way.

week 1: jets kicker who kept pretending he was hurt until suddenly he was able to kick when it was obvious that mangina was screaming "you are so fired" at him
week 2: ??? i guess vince young lol
week 3: ben roethlisberger

now you guys go!

wait did roffles refuse to take the field? waht is happening to him?

he got a "hand injury" at the near-end of last night's game. he initially just went to the locker room but then came back out to the field to make a big show of how he had an owie pinky and let byron leftwich take the last 86 sacks for him.

it was pretty O_o actually tbh

at least he didn't get into another fight with andrea kramer this week!

omg i missed the andrea kramer fight! poor Ben. he got killed so many times yesterday.

also, i feel like the vince young situation has touched on something unspeakable but painful in the nfl, like that fatsis article ade posted says. deion sanders and TD have been extra-scornful whenever young comes up on NFLN, like he's letting their side down by deflating the hyper-masculine stoic mythology of the nfl. (i love deion, but i'm just saying.)

i do feel like vince young's mom should get ahold of herself.

oh yeah, i mean basically i feel really bad for vince young but otoh the nfl is so emo this year, everyone calm down and stop having your periods. but yeah, i agree with you. it's like the 300 times that T.O. loses his shit and cries and has pill-incidents or whatever, i mean it's kind of hilarious but there's a lot of pressure on these guys and sometimes they snap!

yeah, i'm of two minds about it. i sort of feel like a player like TD is traumatized (he played through a migraine in the super bowl, right?) and i don't blame him for feeling like other people should keep their mouths shut about how they feel, because he did, or whatever. but the culture as a whole seems worth critiquing.

but i totally vibe on the crazy machismo of the nfl, and i called jack del rio a puss in my last blog post. :(

the people i don't get are like brett favre--he is the emo-est motherfucker around. he always sounds like he's about to cry in press conferences. how come deion + td don't make fun of him?

i guess because he's better than young. whatever!

BECAUSE HE'S BRETT FAVRE AND UNTOUCHABLE CLEARLY DUH!!!

(seriously, i mean, i think there is a race issue there too)

uh no brett favre is always having fun, and is never sad about anything

if he was never sad why he gotta take pain killers, to numb his inside pain u_u

brett favre has a tender heart which does not mean he is a WHINING PUSSY like a vince young

i do feel like vince young's mom should get ahold of herself.

This is OTM. He's an industry, and industries don't get to be a little bitch. Except for finance.

brett favre has a tender heart which does not mean he is a WHINING PUSSY like a vince young

― update prefs (ice crӕm), Monday, September 22, 2008 1:31 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ah, this has the ring of truth. thank you, ice craem!

Apparently, VY tried to commit suicide after the above incident. He claimed that that wasn't the case but his therapist claimed he mentioned it and called the police.

Poor Vince.

also brett is double bagged which is pretty much like total invulnerability to everything except having fun

remember that raiders center who lost his shit right before the super bowl?

I do now!

like he actually had some mental breakdown and bill callahan was basically like "this dude is a pussy, fuck him" and the nat'l media kind of ran with that angle and i think only a few days later did the whole mental issue come out. bill callahan is kind of the worst coach in the nfl of the past few seasons, maybe. lots of competition though.

Unfortunately for Linehan, the alarm bell was sounded last week by owner Chip Rosenbloom when he told the Post-Dispatch that changes would be made if things didn't get better.

They didn't get better Sunday in Seattle. The hecklers knew that as they showered the Rams with insults at the end of the game. Linehan knows that. And so does his wife, Kristen, who was in tears as she was escorted to the team bus.

"She feels like we do," tight end Randy McMichael said inside a glum Rams locker room. "I'm trying hard not to cry. That's all I can say right there. I'm trying hard to hold back these tears. But they're more tears of frustration than pain."

As the Rams walked into the visitors' tunnel late Sunday afternoon, 37-13 losers to the Seahawks, there was no escaping the wrath and derision of the Seattle fans.

"Whole Team Quit on Coach Scottie" read one sign.

"U Ladies Are the Worst" read another.

And then, verbally, came perhaps the worst shot of all from one of the Qwest Field faithful: "You're the worst team in Missouri!"

^lol

i really truly do not understand the "fans" who go out of their way to heckle and boo their own teams. like, i just do not get that mentality. stay home. don't support them with your money. debate their worth on the internets! but to go to the games or to go to public events just to heckle and abuse the players (and their families!) is at best, weird. at worst, i kind of think it makes a person really fucking sick.

xpost ok the worst team in missouri wau!

i do feel like vince young's mom should get ahold of herself.

This is OTM. He's an industry, and industries don't get to be a little bitch. Except for finance.

― rogermexico., Monday, September 22, 2008 6:31 PM (26 minutes ago)

-see and the taxpayers are kissign finance's owies and making them all better. maybe mrs. vince young ought to take it easy and buy a can of bactine?

Booing is awesome. Did you see the Philly fans boo that girl who sang the national anthem? If they didn't boo, how would she know that she sucks at singing?

i really truly do not understand the "fans" who go out of their way to heckle and boo their own teams. like, i just do not get that mentality. stay home. don't support them with your money. debate their worth on the internets! but to go to the games or to go to public events just to heckle and abuse the players (and their families!) is at best, weird. at worst, i kind of think it makes a person really fucking sick.

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Monday, September 22, 2008 2:54 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and youre a fan of a new york team o_O

i'm not really sure what the fuck that has to do with my personal opinions of assholes but yes, yes i am.

also what does it accomplish?! what does booing a dude who dropped a ball tell him? "i am mad that you dropped this football"? if i was vince young, after the first TD that i scored at home after coming back i would just stand in the end zone with my middle fingers up at the crowd for like 10 minutes.

the worst are people who boo college teams+

i have never, ever booed my own team or heckled my own team; if i felt that way about the players on my team i'd stay home. doing otherwise makes you kind of a disgusting human being! they're just playing a game, it ain't like they are running for president or some shit.

xpost exactly, i mean what the hell? how dare you fuck up, ever! i will boo you loudly and robustly from the bottom of my lazy beer gut.

booing is the thing a new york sports fan does best

the other thing is that when it goes beyond booing to entitled shitheads actually harrassing these players it's like O_O

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xpost you're thinking of philly, but nice try i guess?

we don't have much to boo about what with our team winning the super bowl and being 3-0 and all that.

sorry to bring baseball on here, but that's kind of why if a-rod wasn't an insecure diva queen i would imagine he would have signed with another team instead of returning to the place where his teammates didn't back him up (in some cases because they were glad to have someone distract from their own failings, cf giambi) and the fans were hypocritical w/r/t his actual performance. dude should have left and taken out a full page ad of him flipping off yankee stadium.

dude yankees fans booed mariano rivera MARIANO RIVERA

and ive def never heard more loathing directed at the home team as at a knicks game

i think sports players take sports seriously enough that booing is ok on a moral level, it's just that it's not a constructive form of criticism. since the fan can't really provide any constructive form of criticism everyone should just lay off and let the drill sgt. coaches take care of things.

booing is awzom and jordan and ally should stop being such a bunch of vice youngs now

like when the phillies were booing some hapless fourth starter the other day like, what does booing do? i don't think this young dude is going to be like "i gotta pitch better to appease these fans so they stop their booing! let's get em!!!". it'd be more like "ugh i don't ever want to pitch at home anymore" and that affects on-field performance etc. it's v counter-productive

never boo your own team, ice cram, lest karma comes back and bites them in the oh wait

my point is: if you care enough about your team to boo then you should realize that it doesn't do anything to make the team better

helmet catch was totally not my fault

go play golf suckas

also dude, ny fans dont boo they come up with hialrious insults to yell from the bleachers

WHAT ABOUT PPL WHO CHEER INJURIES!!!!

xpost the hilarious bleacher insult thing is true. the problem with this whole discussion vis a vis ny is that most of these things are not actually directed at players at all but instead it is just fans brawling each other. this is my experience, everyone yelling horrible, hideous insults at total strangers for wearing some other team's t-shirt and paying pretty minimal attention to the field.

i dunno i mean its not that i dont feel the anti-boo crowd i just sort of think that if u cant take it, dont get on the field--the problem with dudes like vince young is that theyve got so much raw talent along with psychological instability and have been pressured their whole lives to play pro ball that theres no good outcome from this--thats why i was so happy when ricky was gonna quit cause it was like, dude, finally, someone realizes that no matter how good he is hell be happier not playing football

that probably didnt make any sense so let me just make it clear: i fully support giving up on a lucrative nfl career in favor of smoking pot and hanging out with your high school buddies

also dude, ny fans dont boo they come up with hialrious insults to yell from the bleachers

― Mohammed Butt (max), Monday, September 22, 2008 3:26 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

they do both :)

Chicago Bears VS Minnesota Vikings (bcz vikings would have to fite kodiaks and shit when they first came here?)
Detroit Lions VS Carolina Panthers (obv)
Dallas Cowboys VS St. Louis Rams (cowboys vs animal resembling unruly cow?)

i think the Cowboys have to play the Bills, right?

i like browns v. chargers! the forces of electricity vs. the forces of anti-electricity.

the problem is there are only two teams of native americans and way more teams of vocations in which trying to kill native americans was a big part of the job

haha yes, cleveland browns, avatars of entropy.

obv. we pit the chiefs and redskins against each other in the hope that they will exterminate themselves. :(

sorry for bringing down the thread guys.

i don't think the lions should fight the panthers, they are bigger.

panthers v. jaguars?

that is better because it is more fair

when i was little and they invented those "expansion" teams i totally thought they were the same thing, anyway.

wait shouldn't eagles play seahawks

chargers play themselves

They've been doing this for years!

One advantage the browns have against the chargers is that "brown" probably does not conduct electricity.

seahawks and dolphins share a diet plan

SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
The Los Angeles AFL franchise held a contest in 1960. Hollywood resident Gerald Courtney was awarded an all-expenses-paid trip to Mexico City and Acapulco after submitting Chargers. Three reasons for choosing Chargers have been offered - it sounded dynamic; the club’s new stationary featured a horse; and owner Baron Hilton had recently instituted the Carte Blanche card. The team kept the name when it moved to San Diego the following year.

Oilers vs Niners in U BOUGHT STOCKS LOL bowl

dang where the heck did this thread come from

also, i feel like the vince young situation has touched on something unspeakable but painful in the nfl, like that fatsis article ade posted says. deion sanders and TD have been extra-scornful whenever young comes up on NFLN, like he's letting their side down by deflating the hyper-masculine stoic mythology of the nfl. (i love deion, but i'm just saying.)

― horseshoe, Monday, September 22, 2008 1:38 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

otm - this whole thing got me to thinkin about michael oher btw, like maybe he'd be better off not even entering the draft next year. he's basically set for life as is, he'll have his degree and his rich white family will find hook him up with a job, meanwhile his childhood was like fukkin genie the feral child - so it's not like he NEEDS the nfl to escape his surroundings, and he seems sorta not suited for the extreme anxiety and pressure of it all? idk man!!!

btw, deion tried to kill himself once which makes his whole stance on the issue... more interestin i guess

i remember when alonzo spellman was on the bears there were all these weird rumors swirling around about him crossdressing and having a downlow bro who was a fellow teammate and some of the talk radio around chicago at that time was pretty vile w/r/t that, but i don't think it's exclusive to the nfl i think it's all sports that aren't more or less progressive in their thinking, which is probably pretty much every sport outside of a few olympic ones.

btw, deion tried to kill himself once which makes his whole stance on the issue... more interestin i guess

― cankles, Monday, September 22, 2008 5:42 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wow i never knew that. wowowow. that makes it seem like his whole stance on this is even more intensely about trauma than TD's.

sort of off topic, has there ever been a thread of speculation on the grand nfl tradition of gay pass-rushers? i am thinking LT, Bruce Smith, and Strahan. (i have no substantiating information on LT + Smith; i just always got a vibe.)

they go after that azz

also, i never knew about either Michael Oher's or Genie the feral child's childhoods and now i am sad.

srsly tho the unique physical damage the nfl does cannot be overstated as far causing psychological stress - on some level youve got to understand that yr life is getting appreciably shorter every time you suit up

man, genie haunted me for a while after i initially found out about her, nightmares and whathaveyou. peep this:

i see what you're saying abt LT~! he's a really fascinatin case to me, he really comes off like a miserable, tortured soul whenever you see him interviewed these days

bison dele to thread ;_;

goddamn. the wikipedia entry says that after the NIH stopped funding the therapist's care of her he discontinued his foster care and she regressed.

:( genie :(

aw. tony kornheiser's hair makes me a little sad for him.

okay, i'm over it.

lol philip rivers

loooooooool this game

haha i'm totally posting in the wrong thread! sorry, guys.

wow what a great int!

"On topic, my vote goes to Charles Tillman."

I second that one. The Bucs were caught going into a fourth and long underneath their own goal posts and Tillman pulled freakin' he man he hit me and hit back, which ended with getting a 15 yard penalty against the Bears. Tampa then drove down and kicked the winning field goal.

STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID!

cankles otm with Oher; he might be best served by playing a season and retiring... or maybe just getting a blue/white collar job instead.

Re: feral children, here's another frightening story (told partially from the "parent's" perspective:

http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article750838.ece

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2008/reports/danielle/

holy fucking christ

"The mother's statement was: 'I'm doing the best I can,' " the detective said. "I told her, 'The best you can sucks!' "

lazy zing

http://cdn.liveleak.com/18/media18/2008/Sep/22/LiveLeak-dot-com-229582-P1010900.jpg

fan tribute to david foster wallace

i didn't mean to put that on this thread but whatever it's fine

tbh i was hopin to see some black DFW patches last sunday

The importance of nurturing has been shown again and again. In the 1960s, psychologist Harry Harlow put groups of infant rhesus monkeys in a room with two artificial mothers. One, made of wire, dispensed food. The other, of terrycloth, extended cradled arms. Though they were starving, the baby monkeys all climbed into the warm cloth arms.

"Primates need comfort even more than they need food," Armstrong said.

I would appreciate "Primates need comfort even more than they need food" added to board description plzkthxbye

http://www.simplypsychology.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/harlow-monkey.jpg

Touched by the hands of Joe Pa.
http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2007/10/hug.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/players/10/31/hometown1106/t1_pititgout.jpg

'Twas a bad sign when the Bills traded for Tavaris Jackson yesterday, but now Vince has officially been cut.

It's too bad this guy peaked in that BCS Championship game vs. USC (though it was probably the greatest BCS Championship game ever). For reals hope he doesn't kill himself.

Some thoughts:

1 - As a Titans fan, I kinda hate Vince. False hope in the aftermath of McNair, never quite got it together. frustrated me every year. hope he has a better life out of football.
2 - That feral child thing is still a sad story - http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article1186860.ece
3 - yikes at the joepa pic above

If VY was smart, he would go to the CFL where he could play and maybe actually improve. I don't think his ego will allow that to happen, but others have gone that way and made it work. After he cracked from the pressure in Tennessee, going to the bench probably meant his potential for improvement pretty much ceased.

I got a feeling he is a classic case dude that was such a freaking amazing athlete it carried him all the way even into a bit of success in the NFL, but when he actually had to start working at it and really working at the modern QB trigonometry, he was fxxxed. The guy is probably still a pretty great athlete and maybe just maybe growing a couple years older and actually just playing all the time without the glare of being "VINCE 'VY' YOUNG", he might improve, maybe mature as he grows older and might get a real shot.