ICING THE KICKER

this is a tricky one to discuss as to discuss its worth is to know the unknowable. how are we to know that, when timeout is called in a timely fashion prior to the kick actually being done already, that it isn't helpful? however, can any of you--any person here, you're all knowledgable and watch a lot of games--tell me one single instance when the timeout was simultaneous with the kick and the guy actually got it off, that the second time round, THE KICK WAS MISSED?

anyone? cos i can think of a good 6 instances where the kick was missed in the first, non-important go-round, and then the "icing" makes the kicker somehow make the miraculous kick. so i wanna know what the theory is behind this time-wasting bullshit.

ps lol cowboys

the theory is, if a coach doesn't put as much effort into hand-wavy "look how hard I'm trying! look at my gutsy calls" black magic bullshit as fucking shanahan, they have to deal with fone kallz after the game from irate owners who regularly lose thousands of dollars at craps when they're not berating the hired help. either that or you just try to win games and know that your boss has at least 50% of your old boss in his genotype and doesn't have any fucked up issues about how you do your fucking job.

right, that is what i was kinda thinking too.

i think it helps the kicker, tbh. if he makes it and then misses the second, the blame isn't on him quite as much. and if he misses the first, the second is a little more pressure-free imo.

i think in the kicker's head, at least, the onus of missing the second kick if he makes the first is less on him and more on being "iced".

rename thread "shanahanjob"

yeah, i agree totally -- it helps the kicker tremendously. i don't get the thought process behind it at all.

you can always get yourself in pretzels trying to rationalize the behavior of other people who are not themselves in a situation that rewards rational thought. see also politicaltronics poondeets

i think if deeznuts were here hed have some valuable insights on this venerable practice

to speak of the dead with such sarcastic derision, I am surprised to hear from other than the Mo what is Shakey

/yoda

in basketball the second free throw is missed much less often than the first - calling a timeout late enough that the kicker gets a kick off is an obvious mistake - yr just giving the guy a practice shot

the guy actually got it off, that the second time round, THE KICK WAS MISSED

This happened against the Browns last year. Oakland calls timeout as the Browns kicker made the winning field goal. On the second try the kick was blocked. By law any strategy that works against the Browns will fail with teams that are well coached.

of course it happened in a raiders-browns game. of course it did.

There are so many things in football that are done like this just because it seems like the right thing to do even though statistics show that its effects are negligible and in some cases, actually help the opponent.

It's why I'm still a Jack Del Rio fan. He gets that taking the chance and going for it on fourth down is going to statistically help you more often than it's going to hurt you. You've got a better chance at making a first down from anything less than 4th and 10 than you do at making a flush with two suitors and a draw on the flop.

hi dere raiders! you go to hell for doing this terrible thing!