ILNFL Fantasy: 14 Deep

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/36867

Let's meet our contestants:

Tebow the Letter - omar little
Wit and Wisdom - Mr. Snrub
PEACE BE UPON MUSHIN
Forked In the Back - forksclovetofu
He Hate Me - Kevin Y
Les Savy Favre - polyphonic
a boy named suh - johnny crunch
Wildcat The Musical - Johnny Fever
fuck you santa clara - iatee
balls
The Stooges - WmC
BEAR ALERT
GORAMS - bnw
Brownie - brownie

IDENTIFY URSELF if u haven't already

boy named suh here~

New draft time for this league is Saturday September 4th at 5pm. Any objections?

o sweet

GORAMS - which I prefer be pronounced as some kind of s.t.d.

Also, let's talk rules.
- I pushed back the trade deadline to after Thanksgiving.
- To help things stay competitive, the waiver order will be by reverse standings; worst team will have first crack at the wire on any given week.
- Playoffs will be wk 14, 15, 16 and include the top eight teams.

^like all those

tebow the letter checking in

I also jostled the points breakdown; we can change these if we have a consensus disagreement. I was hoping it would make for some good conversation.

OFFENSE:
Passing, Receiving, Rushing or Returning TD: 6 pts
Completed Pass, Reception or Rushing attempt: .25 pt
25 Passing Yards: 1 pt
15 Receiving or Returning Yards: 1 pt
10 Rushing Yards: 1 pt
Incomplete Pass: -.25 pt
Fumbles or Interceptions: -2 pts

KICKING:
Field Goals 0-39 Yards: 3 pts
Field Goals 40-49 Yards: 4 pts
Field Goals 50+ Yards: 5 pts
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards: -2 pt
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards: -1 pt
PAT: 1 pt
Missed PAT: -1 pt

DEFENSE:
Tackle: 1 pt
1/2 Tackle: 1/2 pt
Sack, Fumble Recovery, Interception, Safety or Blocked Kick: 2 pts
Defensive TD: 6 pts
0 Points Allowed: 10 pts
1-6 Points Allowed: 7 pts
7-13 Points Allowed: 4 pts
14-20 Points Allowed: Zero pts
21-27 Points Allowed: -4 pts
28-34 Points Allowed: -7 pts
35 or more Points Allowed: -10 pts

BONUSES:
250 Yards Passing: 3 pts
150 Yards Receiving: 3 pts
125 Yards Rushing: 3 pts

Fractional point scoring and negative point scoring are allowed.

Comments, thoughts?

BTW, because Yahoo only allows for a certain number of ticked boxes, I had to turn off the 2 pt conversion scoring. If anyone gets burned by that during the season, let me know and I'll manually add the points.

RE Positions:
New team lineup is 1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 WR/RB/TE (note that last one), 1 DEF, 3 Defensive Players, 6 Bench and (I always wanted to institute this) a single IR spot.

^^^^^^again, open to discussion.

like the 3 idp

7 bench is a lot maybe?

Also: just revised Defensive bonuses.

Oh, that should be a six man bench; my bad. Just changed it via admin.

I'm Les Savy Favre.

So for quick reference, here's the specs:

- 14 team league for maximum drama
- Draft time for this league is Saturday September 4th at 5pm.
- I pushed back the trade deadline to after Thanksgiving.
- To help things stay competitive, the waiver order will be by reverse standings; worst team will have first crack at the wire on any given week.
- Playoffs will be wk 14, 15, 16 and include the top eight teams.
- Fractional point scoring and negative point scoring are allowed.

Team lineup is 1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 WR/RB/TE (note the swing TE option), 1 DEF, 3 Defensive Players, 6 Bench and (I always wanted to institute this) a single IR spot.

OFFENSE:
Passing, Receiving, Rushing or Returning TD: 6 pts
Completed Pass, Reception or Rushing attempt: .25 pt
25 Passing Yards: 1 pt
15 Receiving or Returning Yards: 1 pt
10 Rushing Yards: 1 pt
Incomplete Pass: -.25 pt
Fumbles or Interceptions: -2 pts

KICKING:
Field Goals 0-39 Yards: 3 pts
Field Goals 40-49 Yards: 4 pts
Field Goals 50+ Yards: 5 pts
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards: -2 pt
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards: -1 pt
PAT: 1 pt
Missed PAT: -1 pt

DEFENSE:
Tackle: 1 pt
1/2 Tackle: 1/2 pt
Sack, Fumble Recovery, Interception, Safety or Blocked Kick: 2 pts
Defensive TD: 6 pts
0 Points Allowed: 10 pts
1-6 Points Allowed: 7 pts
7-13 Points Allowed: 4 pts
14-20 Points Allowed: Zero pts
21-27 Points Allowed: -4 pts
28-34 Points Allowed: -7 pts
35 or more Points Allowed: -10 pts

BONUSES:
250 Yards Passing: 3 pts
150 Yards Receiving: 3 pts
125 Yards Rushing: 3 pts

BTW, because Yahoo only allows for a certain number of ticked boxes, I had to turn off the 2 pt conversion scoring. If anyone gets burned by that during the season, let me know and I'll manually add the points.

is +/- 10 the most a category can be? i always thought a team putting up a zero on defense should be worth like 20

I don't like to see people win games based on the strength of any one player; 10 points feels like plenty to me.

Wildcat The Musical = me.

You done gone crazy with the changes, but whatevs. I'll play.

brownie = Ned Raggett

Phil Dawson + 1st round = Champs

Stooges here.

David Butthurst is the name for now.

I'm having a serious nostalgia attack for the post Bart Starr GB QB's so I may change it to Winn-Dickey come draft day.

fuck you santa clara is me

One of the players sent some Qs about this league and I had some As that I thought were worth sharing:

Q: RE: return yardage - so it is credited to the player but not to Special Teams/Defense?
A: Yes, return yardage is to individual players, which adds extra benefit to RB/WR who double on the return team. Worth bearing in mind during the draft!

Q: IDP - we play 3 defensive players. Do we play players by position (1 each Defensive Lineman, Linebacker and Defensive Back) or are all IDP pooled together (I can play 3 Lineman, for example)
A: All IDP are indeed pooled together; you can draft 3 lineman. With the relatively high value of an independent tackle (equivalent to a 15 yard rush) the benefit of drafting a quality IDP early in the draft should be pretty clear.

Q: RE: Injured Reserve - do we draft for IR (say I wanted Fred Jackson, who will be injured at draft time - do I draft directly to IR or do I draft him as a RB, then move him to IR and grab a new player as a free agent after the draft). Also - does IR cover other non-players (suspended for example).
A: My understanding about IR is limited as this is my first year using it in yahoo, but given your example I believe you would draft Jackson, move him to IR and get a free agent and that IR would cover suspended players as well. I'll check with the other players to see if they've used IR before as well.

second question urgent and key - all of you should draft nothing but defensive linemen for the first five rounds and then rounds six thru eight nothing but kick returners obv

i would take London Fletcher before i would take TO for reals

i would take jessica fletcher before i would take to

wow. only just now catching up with the gory mess forks has made of this. pro-tip to anyone wanting to make plans next saturday night - this draft is gonna run until sunday. pacific time.

so you would be MUSHIN, then?
and same as i said a week ago: "we can change these if we have a consensus disagreement. I was hoping it would make for some good conversation."
explain what's gory about the mess and we can recalibrate if it's gonna make for a better time.
But yeah, a fourteen person draft is not gonna be fast. I would guess we'll be done at 8.

nah, it's cool, i guess there's just a lot to digest. i will make sure that wherever i am watching a game i have a slide rule with me so i can figure out how many points i get each time my long snapper scratches his ass.

hahaha, i am an OCD type guy, yes.

This draft is pretty much going to be a crapshoot by round 4. I hope I at least get a favorable position in the order. I'm usually in the back 1/3 (around 7-10).

hey dudes i'm pretty new to fantasy (last year was first year and i SUCKED) had my draft for work league last night, how did i do?

QB Philip Rivers

RB Frank Gore

RB Jonathan Stewart

WR Randy Moss

WR Roddy White

TE Jason Witten

D/ST Vikings D/ST

K Nate Kaeding

BENCH

Brandon Jacobs

Jerome Harrison

Donovan McNabb

Darren McFadden

Devery Henderson

John Carlson

Texans D/ST

Chris Chambers

INJURED RESERVE

Vincent Jackson

how big was the league? looks good tho i think you'll be wanting for rb help at some point

How come you can have VJax on IR when he isn't injured.

hard to gage w/o knowing league size but those starters look awesome, bench looks iffy maybe. personally i wouldn't waste two roster spots on defense, last year i just picked whoever had the best matchup off the waiver wire every week and did just fine. if i was in a league w/ 8 or more teams and i had yr starting rbs and wrs i would think 'i am going to win this league'.

Wildcat The Musical = me.

― Johnny Fever, Saturday, August 14, 2010 4:22 AM (2 weeks ago)

One of my friends just gave me a new team name, so I will now be known as I'm Thinkin' RBs.

thanks y'all maybe i will dump the extra defense/st

How come you can have VJax on IR when he isn't injured.

― no gut busting joke can change history (polyphonic), Monday, August 30, 2010 11:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

because he is suspened for 3 games and threatening to hold out the whole season...got him late cuzza that cuz i figured if he ends up playing that's a steal

it's a 10 team league

you pick 6?

nope i was 8th

(serpentine draft)

gore at 8 should be strong, but last year I "lucked" into matt forte late and got killed

because he is suspened for 3 games and threatening to hold out the whole season

Doesn't seem fair that you can put a player on injured reserve if he isn't injured.

I was in three 14-team mock drafts this morning and I SUCKED. There's a strategy in drafting for a league this large, I'm sure, but I haven't zeroed in on it yet.

still doing my research and mostly hoping for the best

I spend way too much time worrying about my first pick and then just kinda shrug at the others.

i spend all my time going 'ok, who gonna be my kicker?' and then everything just flows from there

I came so close to making it in after I thought I was going to lose every game a few weeks ago. That's my own victory.

Goddamnit, I have to beat balls twice in a row to advance? I don't think that's gonna happen.

Holy shit, the top seeds are all 8-5 and and the bottom seeds are all 7-6! Weird!

the playoffs are gonna be good~

i'm nervous

http://roadtickle.com/img/humor/8-album-covers-to-make-you-cringe/john-bult-julies-sixteenth-birthday.jpg

It will be tough, but I will

http://blog.beliefnet.com/freshliving/hanginthere.jpg

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx169/sharma33618/good_luck_orkut_scraps/gl4.gif

this is what the actual playoffs are gonna be like ain't it

http://croutonboy.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341da62d53ef0120a502d2d1970b-800wi

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_J5OkhWgvcxM/StimQ8vw0LI/AAAAAAAABos/mSC4R21myGk/s400/a_relaxing_weekend.gif

made it in by less then a point? :O

this IS like the nfl, NO GREAT TEAMS, except balls who I think will slap everyone in the face

my team's limping into the playoffs! btw i still like the waiver system - clearly it 'worked' or whatever but i swear i think i had last or next to last waiver priority the entire season and man did that get frustrating down the stretch. loved the deep league. only thing i would consider tweaking before next is maybe the team def scoring, i'm not sure how exactly - the way it's set up now makes sense to me on the face of it but in practice it seemed off, like there were weeks when it not fielding any team def at all was an attractive option - risking real likelihood of neg points vs possibility of 3-5 points. another thing i would suggest trying, and i don't know if yahoo or espn can even let you set it up this way, is having more idp's - say two db spots, two linebacker spots, two defensive linemen spots. big ups to forks for the good job he's done. good job forks.

how in the holy fuck did i make the playoffs?

I want this written on my tombstone:
MR. SNRUB: MADE THE ILX FANTASY FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS WITH COURTNEY ROBY, BRAD SMITH, AND NATE BURLESON AS HIS WIDE RECEIVERS

thanks big b. i think the answer to the team defense problem is just to roll back the points allowed bonuses and negatives so that you only get a negative if it's a legit blowout. but yeah, i also think the waiver system "worked" although i felt like i got fucked left and right. kept things competitive though!

Having been dead last for half the season, I loved the waiver order. It allowed me to only climb up to #11, but I had a great time doing it.

lamest stat has to be the points for carries. 30 carries for 50 yds should not be a gold mine imo.

I never would have made the playoffs without the waivers. I worked that shit HARD.

Who do you pick to win?League Votes: 2/14

Tebow the Letter (8-5-0)

50%1 vote

Voted for Tebow the Letter

* Tebow the Letter (Your Pick)

Forked In the Back (7-6-0)

50%1 vote

Voted for Forked In the Back

* Forked In the Back

^____^

Little mindgamery

sigh. oh well. i guess i can go back to watching games just for fun?
NO I CAN'T

Trust me Forks - it's not as much fun. (keyba from the sidelines)

i got a little too goddamn cute and subbed in the denver defense, Josh Freeman and James Starks and ALL those gambles failed.

My team couldn't handle that much balls.

brownie and bnw having an epic showdown tonight!

brownie and me. derrick mason needs 2 more points to win it for brownie. no need for baltimore to throw the ball any more surely...

Well, that was fun. See you next year, ILX!

arrrgh

so close.

oop, sorry spiralli.

i look forward to our upcoming showdown.

it was kinda criminal that i beat brownie. gonna git whupped in the next round.

i've launched an investigation and i think i can a federal injuction against ILNFL

by far my best points showing all year, fully expect regression to the mean. Imagine if deeznuts had been in our league and played balls. Truly epic.

5th seed vs. 7th seed for the title.

hey maw i'm in the final!

ME AND YOU BUB, 7-6 powerhouse showdown

oh hey, i see you outscored me by an average of 45 points/game through the playoffs. this should be jolly.

**B SPIRALS 2 FINALS 0 WINS TOUR XMAS 2010**

mccoy + akers + some d guy vs harvin and 20 some pts

that offsides call on Colston's td last night may be the decider >:[

i won't lie, i was delighted by that td getting scrubbed. i am guessing this comes down to approx Harvin+5pts vs McCoy. you know McCoy will get a respectable total, but Harvin has been kind of all or nothing, and it's real hard to get excited about Minnesota in this game. my best hope barring injury is that Philly scores a ton in the air and Percy makes his points outta return yards. which unfortunately would nuke me in the other game. at this point i would glad take either, still p worried about getting neither.

w00t 7th seed wins! if it is any consolation bnw this is like the rams winning the super bowl. a great day for fantasy football.

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay me

the two major changes i'd make for next year:
- points per carry would be .25 not .5; RBs put up ridiculous number cuz of this. I like leaving PPR at .5 tho
- Defenses don't get penalized negative points for high scoring games

otherwise, i'm pretty happy with the ground rules. any other major requests for next year?

ha, congrats! glad it was at least close enough to make tonight's interesting. good season, weird scoring, see you at training camp.

xpost I would nix points per carry and maybe tone down return yards. Probably nix pass attempts too. OTOH it's a non-money/fun league so maybe weird stats keep things intersting.

any other major requests for next year?

Consolation games for the saps who don't make the playoffs.

no consolation games! actually i don't care. maybe expanded playoff w/ byes for top 2 seeds? also can draft order be decided beforehand? if so maybe reverse order of finish and any new teams pick after that? or we switch to auction? has anyone here done auction? i've never done it - i have to be honest i'm not sure i grasp it - but the espn guys are always raving about it. i could see neg points for team def on high scoring game, but legitimately a high scoring game, not like 'you gave up 3 tds'. maybe give up 0-20 points: you get points, 21-31 points: you get no points, >31 points: you get neg points. maybe the easiest way to set a mark is look at the bottom four or five defenses, see how many avg ppg they gave up and if you surpass that you get neg points.

Auction is fantastic but I've never done it for football.

bye for top seeds is a good call

Auction is fun, but part of the fun is getting everyone in the same room (screaming). Never done an auction online, but it's worth a try. Defense - I'm used to defenses having a 20 point range from best to worst (20pt for giving up 0, no points for total fiasco), so it was just getting used to our 20pt range being +10 to -10; scoring zero is an average defensive game. What was a surprise for me is not crediting (or penalizing) defenses for yardage given up. But I've learned a bit this year about PPR and IDP this year, so I'll be ready for 2011! And byes for top seeds is great - current system only gives you a seeding advantage for winning regular season (which doesn't mean much in a balanced league, as GORAMS and PEACE proved).

kebya, i hope you stick around on ilnfl for the playoffs and the general discussion.
no need to lurk just on this thread!

not a lurker, though it appears the playoffs will be boring since it appears my Bills won't make it (wink).