Thirty-seven points on the best defense in the league...suck my dick — 2011 NFL Week 11 Thread

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NY Jets at Denver

Tampa Bay at Green Bay
Carolina at Detroit
Jacksonville at Cleveland
Oakland at Minnesota
Buffalo at Miami
Dallas at Washington
Cincinnati at Baltimore
Arizona at San Francisco
Seattle at St. Louis
Tennessee at Atlanta
San Diego at Chicago

Philadelphia at NY Giants

Kansas City at New England

MNF should just give up

god damn this is a horrid week of games

SNF should quit shilling for the NFC East, goddamn.

10-6 last week (calling the MNF Packers victory before it's official), 95-51 on the season

JETS
PACKERS
LIONS
JAGS
RAIDERS
BILLS
COWBOYS
BENGALS
49ERS
SEAHAWKS
FALCONS
BEARS
GIANTS
PATS

Palko in prime time, oooooh goody

NY Jets at Denver - Jets.
Tampa Bay at Green Bay - Packers.
Carolina at Detroit - Lions
Jacksonville at Cleveland - Jaguars
Oakland at Minnesota - Raiders
Buffalo at Miami - Bills
Dallas at Washington - Cowboys
Cincinnati at Baltimore - Ravens
Arizona at San Francisco - 9ers
Seattle at St. Louis - Rams
Tennessee at Atlanta - Titans
San Diego at Chicago - Bears

Philadelphia at NY Giants - Giants.

Kansas City at New England - Patritos

7-9 last wk; 90-56 season

NY Jets at Denver - jets
Tampa Bay at Green Bay - pack
Carolina at Detroit - will say panthers
Jacksonville at Cleveland - Jaguars
Oakland at Minnesota - vikings
Buffalo at Miami - dolphins
Dallas at Washington - Cowboys
Cincinnati at Baltimore - Ravens
Arizona at San Francisco - sf
Seattle at St. Louis - Rams
Tennessee at Atlanta - falcons
San Diego at Chicago - Bears

Philadelphia at NY Giants - Giants

Kansas City at New England - Patritos

SNF should quit shilling for the NFC East, goddamn.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

otm, enough already. god i hate the nfc east.

cinci/bmore and sd/chicago are the only games that are even kind of interesting.

Detroit/Carolina could be interesting especially as the Lions probably wont make the playoffs if they drop this one and seem to be uh...what's the opposite of peaking

In a nosedive?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824253ac/article/smart-like-a-fox-broncos-coach-adapts-to-tebows-strengths

"Check out 91," says Fox, pointing toward Chiefs linebacker Tamba Hali. "He's a great rusher, but look how he has to play. He can't even rush. He's just sitting there waiting. He's reading the option.

"What he does against conventional teams is rush the passer. Well, we don't have a passer. We have a runner. Not to say he can't pass at all, but we're recognizing his strengths."

lol John Gox OTM

the nfl has long been this bastion of fitting players into molds as opposed to molding a team/scheme around your players, so i think any player -- like mike vick or vince young or steve young before him -- that forces or allows nfl teams to be more creative is a good thiing for the league and for the fans and i hope tebow takes a ton of wildcat snaps next year and is successful with them

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:59 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

john fox being 'more creative' just means hes going 'oh jesus fucking christ how do i win a game with tim tebow' and comes up with a gameplan that minimizes the chance for disaster. in 06 foxy coached a panthers team that won a game where they only attempted 7 passes - out of necessity. it was not a successful season for them. the broncos are doing what every team with a shitty QB does; cordoning off huge chunks of the playbook because their guy can't run most of it with any efficacy. so really tons of teams in the league DO mold their scheme to their players, it's just that when you're gameplanning around minimizing the damage your weakest link can do, it means your team's a dumpster fire.

its really about talent, or lack of it. vince young doesnt have nfl talent, neither does tebow. all the boundless creativity in the world can't disguise that fact forever, when other teams can see it on tape

also, steve young didn't break any molds, he was slowly massaged into a system over time by some of the greatest QB coaches who ever lived. he was also a really comfortable pocket QB in his best seasons - he had some huge runs, but he mostly lived and died in the pocket. he had a wide variety of elite NFL skills

Tebow is an elite athlete. He's just not good at throwing footballs.

he doesn't have a single football talent aside from being a pretty solid (but undynamic) runner

i really cannot wait for Thursday

hi guys, i am posting here just to let you know that my picks went 4-12 last week

:-/

i think the conventional wisdom on tebow is right, he appears terrible at throwing to a spot with his receivers, but gifted at anticipating space in his runs. some kind of spatial perception issue or something.

How many good QBs are there really in the NFL at any one time? I don't know if running a spread option in the NFL will work, but at one point, the short passing west coast offense was considered 'different'. I think the whole think with Tebow and running this kind of offense has some pros and cons, but I think you would have to do the following.

1. Team is built around defense & ball control.
2. You build your roster to run this kind of offense.
3. Your backup Qbs are in that mold - so if you got Tebow, you go and get Tavaris Jackson or someone who can "RUN" the offense. You don't keep Bernie Kosar immobile types as backups.
4. You carry 3 Qbs at all times - to not just waste the draft pick you use the 3rd Qb possibly like say Brad Smith. They are going to get hurt, so you build depth at Qb - perhaps even using some oddball formations that 2 Qbs are in the game like UK would do with Randall Cobb (who was a Qb in highschool and originally recruited as one.)
5. Outside your rb, you spend your cash on your O & D-lines. Really in a way, you can build a beastly club going that way, as those cats get paid less than your flashy wideouts etc. IE you get more good players for the same cash.
6. You need to be good on special teams and it would probably be good to have a total burner returner - that you could at least use on offense to spread the field a bit.

Would it work? Eh, I don't know. Ultimately there is only a handful of guys that can run this high powered passing game and the rest of the teams are shlubs who just can't compete. It has been shown though if you can keep the big QB off the field by controlling the clock and minimize on defense that is at least a game plan that can work.

I think the spread option is less hard on a Qb compared to the wishbone.

Eh...screw it, give it a shot. I think it could work to a degree, especially if the club has the first pieces and the Qb and maybe the WR skills guys are elusive to acquire.

5. Outside your rb, you spend your cash on your O & D-lines. Really in a way, you can build a beastly club going that way, as those cats get paid less than your flashy wideouts etc. IE you get more good players for the same cash.

finding good linemen is really hard and if they're good you have to pay them a lot.

How many good QBs are there really in the NFL at any one time?

8, maybe

11-5 Last Week, 92-54 on the year

Can I say that I'm always amazed when I read KSK or ESPN (lol?) or whatever and I see the pros picking games at sub-.500 levels over the course of the season? I mean I just do this for shits and it really seems like it's not hard to pick a winning week. It's like even the people who should know better are always rationalizing their way into something like KC beating NE because why TRAP GAME or TB should beat GB why because THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN TWO (2) UNDEFEATED SEASONS THEREFORE GBP SHOULD LOSE AT SOME POINT.

Whatever, this sport is dumb.

NY Jets at Denver NYJ
Tampa Bay at Green Bay GB

Carolina at Detroit DET

Jacksonville at Cleveland CLE

Oakland at Minnesota OAK

Buffalo at Miami BUF

Dallas at Washington DAL

Cincinnati at Baltimore BAL

Arizona at San Francisco SF

Seattle at St. Louis FUCK SEA

Tennessee at Atlanta ATL

San Diego at Chicago CHI
Philadelphia at NY Giants NYG
Kansas City at New England NE

I had a sub-.500 week in week 9 this year, and I can't remember ever having done that before. I'm not exactly a football genius, either.

basically if you always pick the team with the better record (or the home team, if they're tied), you are basically guaranteed to beat any of the pick-making experts or analysts, and probably everyone in these threads as well

so...Favre to Houston?

this is what happens when you give a jackass like skip bayless a public forum. he thinks favre should still be qb at green bay. the best chance houston has now is to not do anything stupid, ie the opposite of this. leinart is more or less exactly what they need, a fairly reliable short term option who won't grab any headlines good or bad, ie the opposite of favre.

could see Donny McNabb maybe making an impact

i dunno - the fact that Lienart was cut from Arizona makes me really iffy on him, though I suspect a lot of it has to do with Weisenhunt not being able to develop QB's AT ALL and AZ running the same plays with Lienart that they would with Warner

they've gotta at least give him three games to see what he can produce

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/9741/is-matt-leinart-better-than-you-think

i did a good amount of head nodding through this, the wisenhunt stuff is certainly otm. but there is no mention of leinart's most important feature, which is that he notoriously has never put the effort in since leaving college. i don't think he is a sleeping giant, but he is a guy who can actually throw the ball and who will probably not throw more ints than TDs, and sometimes that's all you need.

Fuck, if they start talking seriously about Favre, I'm out. Football and I won't have anything in common anymore.

xp agreed; i'd go so far as to say that houston has the best backup qb in the league atm

quote me on that when they start tanking of course

Even with Leinart at QB, I feel like Houston can win either 3 or 4 of their last 6 games (and maybe they can do all 6 if things fall in place).

Fork apparently you have not heard about Matt Flynn

until monday night i had not!

He was anchoring LSU when they won their nat'l championship, but I guess you aren't a college ball guy?

how much longer will the pack stumble along with that clown rodgers while flynn is raring to go on the bench.

pack have to start flynn in their last 3 games to get him in the shop window for the inevitable first round pick trade.

there are an insane number of QB's right now named Matt. Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Matt Cassell, Matt Hasselbeck, Matt Moore, and now you got Matt Lienart replacing Matt Schaub, with Matt Flynn potentially waiting in the wings for next year. this has got to be unprecedented.

yeah, i don't follow college ball at all

pack have to start flynn in their last 3 games to get him in the shop window for the inevitable first round pick trade

it would be so badass if they did the thing the Colts did and benched Rodgers for the last two games to "preserve him" and finished 16-0 anyway since Flynn is that damn good. probably won't happen b/c there's a chance the Pack won't even get the #1 seed, as the 49ers have 5 of their 7 remaining games vs. the NFC West and will finish with no less than 13 wins

Wait, can a team actually go undefeated and not get the #1 seed?

i mean they're not going to start Flynn b/c they're probably not going to lock up the #1 seed until the final 2 weeks

o i c

49ers could easily lose any of @Baltimore, vs. Pittsburgh, vs. New Orleans, vs. Oakland, and maybe even vs. Matt Leinart's Texans! They're good but they have games they can lose.

I think you're looking at their preseason schedule. it's Baltimore and Pittsburgh plus five games vs. the NFC West

Ah, yup. haha

Baltimore and Pittsburgh still though.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2009/01/NopmWgt6wihdmlqeqOenZ7q2o1_500.jpg

I think we need a TEBOW thread, is there one already?

in a perfect world a tornado would have swept onto the field mid-game, scooping up Tebow and the entire Jets team and launching them into the ocean

― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Friday, November 18, 2011 3:33 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark

look, i'm never going to come out against anything that would involve the death of every jet player, but if this had happened we wouldn't have experienced the pure joy involved with tim tebow leading the broncos on a 95 game winning td drive against rex ryan's defense

will tim tebow have a good nfl career?

okay I will take my frankly amazing images over there

also J0rd that is a very valid point

it doesn't matter what he was totally thinking, I'm sure george w bush wasn't totally thinking "I want hundreds of thousands of people to die...right now." through being a high-profile participant in a movement that hurts people every day, tebow is a shitty person. that said, I think you can root for him to win in the short-term only because it's gonna give him even more opportunities to lose games in the future. in the longer-term everyone should root for him to have a spinal injury.

I don't really want to turn this into another dumb abortion debate but I disagree with basically everything in this post, especially as you're making it out as though pro-life violence is a huge ordeal in this country, it's killed what, like dozens? So nobody should advocate a position that, when taken too far, could hurt people? Especially when the ENTIRE BASIS of that position is to try and save lives? Saying you're rooting for a spinal injury is pretty much disgusting savagery and pretty much directly contradicts everything you're saying

haha I sorta defended him being kinda successful in that old thread, but that was before he actually got started tebowing

frogbs can we take this to a politics thread? I'm concerned 51 people aren't on ilnfl

listen, i posted that shit kinda sheepishly because not because it's "cool" but because i felt it was sort of lame in some respect (to j0rdan), they are my personal feelings, they are not some big guideline for how other ppl have to feel

frogbs, like um...maybe fuck you pal ok? i'm not sbing or bullshit like that but god you have this way of acting so faux naive about shit you say that's really fucking aggravating.

i cop to my own predjudices on tim tebow

plus i honestly thing he sucks at football and -- on the whole -- is actually really fucking boring to watch, 90 percent of that game was a goddamn snoozefest

I don't really want to turn this into another dumb abortion debate

and yeah, that game sucked to watch

I don't really want to turn this into another dumb abortion debate so here are some naked pictures of Thandie Newton and Jessica Biel

hate u dan but ur proving my point

my original idea was to link lemon party so you should actually be thanking me

at some point this year I will actually have the opportunity to watch a football game and be able to post on-topic, lol

listen, i posted that shit kinda sheepishly because not because it's "cool" but because i felt it was sort of lame in some respect (to j0rdan

wait, posted what

frogbs, like um...maybe fuck you pal ok? i'm not sbing or bullshit like that but god you have this way of acting so faux naive about shit you say that's really fucking aggravating.

what are you talking about? i apologize if i misunderstood your post but if you're saying that you can't like Tebow without some kind of social or political agenda, well, I think you're wrong, people like Tebow because he's really fun to root for and I think a lot of people just naturally like seeing bad QBs pull wins out of his ass

the game was like being out with a group of people during which a couple you don't like start a long, bitter argument. to begin with it was delightful seeing them embarrass themselves, but it got super awkward really quickly, and then it just seemed to keep going on and on. and then at the end, pierce brosnan cried "well maybe you shouldn't be LIVING HERE" and it was awesome again.

frogbs, obv not 100% of the ppl who like tim tebow do so because of his religion, politics or his race, but i think that's likely true for a majority of ppl -- any one of those things is pretty inextricable from the player

frogbs can we take this to a politics thread? I'm concerned 51 people aren't on ilnfl

most ilxors outside of the sports forums are utterly clueless on how you can admire someone for their accomplishments on the field without necessarily having to have an opinion on them "as a person", so no thanks

god damn clueless ilxors

ps you can't admire tebow for his accomplishments on the field, so

frogbs, obv not 100% of the ppl who like tim tebow do so because of his religion, politics or his race, but i think that's likely true for a majority of ppl -- any one of those things is pretty inextricable from the player

typically i don't associate much with that type, most of the people I know or have heard root for Tebow do so b/c they (essentially) think the NFL is way more entertaining if he succeeds, which is how I see it too

well that's honest enough, but I would find the nfl way more entertaining if he has a spinal injury, so you'll have to accept my reasoning too

ps you can't admire tebow for his accomplishments on the field, so

winning 4 out of 5 starts despite playing being a nearly historically bad quarterback on a team that's pretty terrible otherwise is pretty impressive!

denver's defense is not terrible

tim has shown me that if i want it badly enough and i hold true to christian values, i can achieve anything despite the obstacle of my personal incompetence. it's like the american dream gave birth to a son on earth.

xp they've allowed more points than any team but Indy

yes does that stat have any relevance to the games where tebow won

fair enough; let me amend that to:
denver's defense was not terrible last night

15, 24, 10, 13

well that's honest enough, but I would find the nfl way more entertaining if he has a spinal injury, so you'll have to accept my reasoning too

if you phrase it like that instead of "i want him to get hurt because he's actively pro-life" then its less objectionable

the most i've ever really wanted a football player to fail was Favre in 2009 and 2010, it's way way more fun seeing him fail because of his own bad decision making (like in 2009) than it is to see him actually sustain a brutal injury

what the fucking christ is going on here

anyway m@tt's original post is otm in that tebow's on-field success would be harmful to other ppl and we shouldn't lose sight of that

what the fucking christ is going on here

― call all destroyer, Friday, November 18, 2011 4:38 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

we need to get one of ilx's musicians to write a two second jingle that has a small group of children sing "thaaaaaaaaaaaat's frogbs!"

thats our frogbs *shrugs affectionately*

i just wanted to post itt to say that i fucking hate tim tebow. also last night i went to mcdonalds at like three am and the group of four too-wasted-to-stand frat bros in front of me were crowing abt how awesome tim tebow was while in the middle of drunk texting/crudely drunk texting girls they wanted to fuck and i gave up on getting my jr chix and walked home

tim tebow: bad for the economy

oh that should read: crudely discussing drunk texting

Te-Bow the Letter

How do u guys pronounce frogbs, I know it doesn't really make sense but I say 'frogs buh'

It's like favre I guess

i say it as two words: frog's BS.

boof foofer

"ps you can't admire tebow for his accomplishments on the field, so"

Maybe not for his stats in the NFL, but it's hard to deny what he did in college.

Weird thing is that his Qb rating in some of these games is not as bad as the completion percentage, mostly as when Tebow connects on a pass it often goes for huge yards. And that doesn't take in account the running yards.

I don't have any skin in the game on all of the off the field persona stuff with Tebow, but it does make watching a crappy Broncos/Jets game kind of fun. I think it might even make a crappy Broncos/Chargers game interesting. I think SD losing to Broncos and Tebow might bring the axe on Norv (possibly).

Weird thing is that his Qb rating in some of these games is not as bad as the completion percentage, mostly as when Tebow connects on a pass it often goes for huge yards.

that seems like it'd be inevitable w/ a defense that doesn't have to expect more than 2 completed passes a game

Wish the Chargers would fire AJ Smith instead of Norv.

Tebow is like the amusing nerd in school who prayed before eating his lunch.

Also as far as Christianity goes he's a bit too showy for my taste, for me to see him as more a marketing tool for Jebus than just a humble Christian boy. thus I am compelled to ridicule him. Beyond that I could care less.

I don't have any skin in the game on all of the off the field persona stuff with Tebow, but it does make watching a crappy Broncos/Jets game kind of fun. I think it might even make a crappy Broncos/Chargers game interesting. I think SD losing to Broncos and Tebow might bring the axe on Norv (possibly).

this is really the heart of the issue right here - no way am I watching that game if not for Tebow, and like the announcers (and most ppl watching) I couldn't stop myself from laughing at the sheer absurdity of the final drive. with Orton there's no way that game is remotely interesting. with Tebow its all anyone can talk about.