"One group of Jags supporters isn't ready to give up on 2013" NFL 2013-14 Week Three

Chiefs @ Eagles
Texans @ Ravens
Browns @ Vikings
Giants @ Panthers
Packers @ Bengals
Rams @ Cowboys
Lions @ Washington
Bucs @ Pats
Cards @ Saints
Chargers @ Titans
Falcons @ Dolphins
Bills @ Jets
Colts @ 49ers
Jags @ Seahawks
Bears @ Steelers
Raiders @ Broncos

Make it so...

12-4 last week, 22-10 overall

Chiefs @ Eagles- This looks pretty even on paper to me. I’ll stick Philly at home.

Texans @ Ravens- I don’t know how to read either club. Ravens D got walked on by Denver, then the offense couldn’t do much against Cleveland. Texans have been winning kinda ugly. I’m probably wrong, but I’ll take Ravens at home.

Browns @ Vikings- The Browns defense seems ready for prime time, but the offense is just not there at all. Minnesota would be pretty dangerous if they had a top tier QB. Vikings seem better, but I could see this being close.

Giants @ Panthers- Panthers have played good enough to lose and the Giants are just not going to be any good throwing the ball 50 times a game. Panthers on paper seem a bit better, so give me Carolina.

Packers @ Bengals- Hard to take Cincy to beat Green Bay until they actually knock them off, but on paper this is a pretty even steven matchup. Green Bay. I think while Jay Gruden and the Bengals have the tools to be big passing team, I do think they would be more dangerous going into a time of possession team and just controlling the clock. They do that and keep Rogers off the field, I think it could be a pretty interesting game. I think Green Bay is vulnerable to the run and Cincy could have an interesting run game (give Bernard the rock).

Rams @ Cowboys- Rams are decent, but I just can’t see Jeff Fisher wanting to throw the ball 55 times a game. I think Dallas is going to be good on D this year. I like Dallas and hopefully they don’t play stupid (like they often do) with the turnovers/penalties.

Lions @ Washington- Washington just doesn’t look that good at all and it’s more than RGIII. It is hard to take the Lions on the road, but give me Detroit in an upset.

Bucs @ Pats- Pats. Yeesh it will be mumble and glower when those two coaches meet after the game.
Cards @ Saints- Saints but I’d believe it if Arizona gives them a game. AZ should have traded for Palmer like 3 years ago.
Chargers @ Titans- Both of these clubs are kind of middling mysteries to me. I guess SD.
Falcons @ Dolphins- Intriquing matchup here…I really want to take Miami, but will take Atlanta on rep.
Bills @ Jets- who knows…Jets
Colts @ 49ers- Niners will eat ‘em alive. Indy is kind of pushing Luck to have to do a bit too much.
Jags @ Seahawks- Seahawks and man that is a matchup of two clubs with some funky uniforms…all metallic and green blue.
Bears @ Steelers- These clubs just rarely play, which kind of seems weird considering their historical makeup. Got to think the Bears are the better club and I hope they win, but that said it is hard to think the Steelers being 0-3.
Raiders @ Broncos- Broncos

brian hoyer starting for cleveland. he didn't show much in his brief run out for the cardinals, and the browns offense is not really equipped was any qb to shine, so this might kill his nfl career, but he is unlikely to be worse than weeden. who is out because he banged his thumb on a helmet?

it seems smart to go with hoyer over campbell. they are probably not winning the super bowl this year (sorry brownie) and they already know what they have with campbell, which is not much.

equipped for any qb to shine

altho that is perhaps unfair, when josh gordon comes back (if he can stay off the syrup) you actually do have a reasonable supporting cast there

Poor Jason Campbell. He had a talent.

ryan clady out for the season is a big deal. pman can get the ball on its way quickly enough that line problems shouldn't be a big deal overall, but could mean a couple more hits per game to that fragile, geriatric frame.

none of the Browns QBs had any success anywhere else either, I don't think it's because their system is just that terrible

primetime is really going to try to make me watch the steelers and raiders?

deion sanders?

yeah isn't he a little sprite that buzzes around telling ppl to watch more football now?

lol i love the idea of him trying to build some buzz about steelers @ raiders 5 weeks out

mind you, who doesn't want to watch the steelers lose in oakland?

i realize i am misunderstanding your original post

mind you, who doesn't want to watch the steelers lose in oakland?

― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:56 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

now this i would watch.

Steelers are poor on both sides of the ball this year, and Pryor keeps looking awesome. Should be fun to watch imo.

Over the past hour I've come around on Hoyer so at my house it's all Hoyer all the time. I've thrown out all my Campbell soup and am eating only Hoyer soup from here on in.

v interesting i thot, and i feel like this makes sense of some unusual moves throughout the league

The league is headed for a two-tiered system: We may be close to being there already but the middle class of players is disappearing. We are looking at a roster makeup of five highly paid players and the rest of the team making the minimum. It is yet to be seen if this is a good or bad thing but as an agent I think it’s bad. Owners are pushing their GMs and salary cap mangers to reward just a handful of players (about four to six) and get the rest from the draft and undrafted free agent pool.

Why is this happening? The new CBA has made draft picks and undrafted free agents so attractive that teams will part with solid players once they hit thirty years old and bet on developing a younger guy, saving money and potentially avoiding the risk of having an older player get injured. When an older player gets injured there are exponential fiscal liabilities such as the injury protection benefit, carrying a vested veteran on IR, pension requirements, workers’ compensation and/or other collectively bargained injury benefits such as the line of duty benefit. It seems like the days of starting but not being marquee Guards, Centers, Tight Ends, and/or Safeties making $3 to $5 million a year are disappearing. Look for the money poured into Corners, QBs, DE’s and left tackles to continue and to be accelerated versus other positions. Once this system takes root, I truly believe careers for non-pro bowl players, the middle class, will get shorter and shorter. The flip side is more young players will hit the field sooner. I also believe one fall-out of this pattern is the record setting pace of penalties and sacks that we saw in the first two weeks.

More emphasis will be put on coaches who know how to develop young talent. They will be coveted and paid handsomely by smart organizations. We could see continued sloppy football in the first quarter of every season to come. When this makeup becomes coagulated throughout the league, It will be interesting to see how a locker room of haves and have-nots will gel.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/3-predictions-and-trends-for-2013.html

This day of MONSTER TRADE,The Tidal Wave Of Deal making…Shocks the system of "..Didn't see THIS ONE COMING!!!!!!" Grig's Rollin' Dice!—
Jim Irsay (@JimIrsay) September 18, 2013

W T F

Trent Richardson

strikes me as a fairly genius trade by the colts

To me this trade means the Browns are angling for a QB.

next year they have 2 firsts, 2 thirds and 2 fourths

good move for both sides imo

I thought it would be Jones-Drew before the player was revealed, because what the hell point did Jax have holding on to him anyway. But yeah, this is bigger news.

wat

Has a team ever before boasted the #1 and #3 players from a draft class just a year removed from when said draft took place? Probably not.

‏@markcraignfl 19m
Only the Browns could trade four picks to needlessly move up one spot to take a running back they would end up trading 18 games later.

amazing move by the colts

however my bobby rainey prognostication in ILNFL was swiftly decimated

I hope this means it's time for Jimmy Haslam to break out the comic sans!

THANK GOD I OVERPAID FOR TICKETS TO THE LIONS/BROWNS GAME

WOW. SUCH TRADE. VERY INTEREST

this is a poor decision by both sides imo

Seems like a no-brainer for the Colts

This trade swings Colts no matter how you look at it. They're looking at a pretty good 2013 season, which means their rd 1 pick would've probably been in the 18-28 range. Richardson was a #3 pick talent just one season ago. Colts now have the #1 and #3 players from the 2012 draft. Cleveland? Bupkus.

http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/football/nfl/img13832604.jpg

They're looking at a pretty good 2013 season

Feel like there's a pretty good chance the Colts are 2-6 after Week 9.

@49ers (loss)
@Jaguars (win)
Seahawks (loss)
@Chargers (probably a loss!! GO BOLTZ!!)
Broncos (loss)
Bye
@Texans (loss)

Then their schedule gets a lot easier, but it might be too late.

We drafted him 3rd AND traded another pick to move up and grab him. For those counting at home that's the 3rd overall pick plus a second pick traded away for a late 1st round pick..way to go.

We drafted him 3rd AND traded another pick to move up and grab him.

You traded four picks to move up and grab him I think.

Fwiw I think most Colts fans are hating this trade. No one is down with the new Pep Hamilton focus on the running game, and considering the extant pass-blocking problems + losing Ballard (who was an excellent blocker) and ongoing Allen injury (also an A+ blocker), no one wanted them to throw away a 1st Round pick to spend on OLine in order to essentially double-down on committing to the run game. Everyone in Indy wants more passing.

Those same fans also tend to not believe in the running game opening up the passing game (I guess their offensive schemes, as they're set up now, telegraph a lot to the defense?). I was pumped that they brought in Bradshaw, whom I think is more than enough, but idk super talented, young rb to pair with Luck seems like an interesting enough proposition imo.

Falcons are in deep deep trouble. Biermann: out for season. Ewing: Out for season. Weatherspoon: out till week 11. Jackson: out for four weeks. Samuel: gimpy. R.White: gimpy. Offensive line: sieve.

I think having balance between the pass and run is still the way to go in NFL. If you can run the ball, you got options and you can really chew the clock up. I think the later Manning Colts teams definitely lost something after the running game went out.

The thing I think Trent Richardson could add to the Colts is coming out of the backfield to catch the ball, which he did decently last year (51 catches 7.2 y/r). Heck, Andrew Luck did plenty of handing off of the rock even at Stanford as that team was also really, really good at running the ball. Having a good play action game makes a difference.

You never know on injuries and who is going to get drafted with the pick, but this seems like a good deal for the Colts and perhaps even not a bad idea for the Browns. NFL trades are rare and odd because the trade deadline is so early in the season. It would be more interesting I think if clubs could deal up to say game 9 or 10 (kind of the equivalent to say the MLB version). The clubs that would really, really benefit is maybe a club that loses a starting key player, but is really good everywhere else and maybe they could bet to get someone to try to go 'all in'.

For a sport that talking about the game itself is a big business, I think it would pay some dividends on having a more open trading schedule.

the moral of the story is don't draft a running back 3rd. hell, don't draft a running back in the first round. richardson is a minimal upgrade over bradshaw.

yeah, the very worst part of this is what the browns gave over to get richardson in the first place obv, and particularly in that context they got too little for him 15 months later. but at the same time indy have overpaid for an RB in the 2013 nfl, one who is not without question marks and for all that he looks to be a good player he is not the kind of guy that is ever going to take over a game.

also, and this should never go unsaid, fuck jim irsay

he's such an ass

This trade swings Colts no matter how you look at it.

well this isn't true. if richardson continues to be an average running back and the browns pick a really high impact guy next year with their extra first round pick then it would certainly swing in the browns favor.

they should be contracted...along with the Rams

not the rams!

Wish I could find a gif of the whole final play of the Chargers game, w/ Chargers going full yaketysax on it, but <3 the finalizing frustrated kick from Rivers at the end of it.

http://www-thescore.s3.amazonaws.com/images/138848/original.gif

:: flag ::
:: flag ::

that's the best part

Pryor playing well. Absolutely horrible penalty on Rivera.

horrible call that is

indefensible: john gruden

has espn always mic'ed peyton this close? i can hear everything he says perfectly, meanwhile pryor is either running a silent count or they figure we don't want to hear him

Peyton's cadence has always been incredibly loud

Andrew Luck is amazingly loud too, how do these guys not blow out their voice?

no idea but i've never heard even peyton this clearly before

there is definitely a mic guy on the sidelines aiming straight for him before every snap

it's almost as blatant as nbc sunday night's count crush on tom brady

indefensible: john gruden

― zvookster, Monday, September 23, 2013 9:22 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

gruden's schtick has definitely expired with me, especially the hyperbole about whatever mediocre player happened to turn in a nice play that moment

he's almost bill waltonesque with it sometimes

they've been blanketing the media with peyty telling mile high to stfu during offense. it does seem quieter.

ok did anyone just see that quad box featuring a guy named "jim bob cooter"

my wife and i just paused on it and stared for like 5 minutes

Raiders run blocking has been really bad, their offense got a lot better when they gave up on it.

Pryor has been pretty great, I'm excited about him. Raiders D just has no chance vs. Peyton Kasparov.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BU5M9iwCcAMV3qg.jpg

The moment Tamme got back to his feet, his face said "fuck me, I didn't mean to block in the back!"
The moment the refs state the penalty, the crowd boos.

I hate crowds.

Terrelle Pryor has come a long long way

heard 'take back the night' in a bud light platinum commercial - good classy product to attach your brand to, jt

― 乒乓, Monday, September 23, 2013 6:18 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

classic LSU name

hey that's a real nice throw

i would like to point out that i was OTM from the jump on the pryor pick

indeed you were

I'm getting sick of their backhanded compliments for Pryor tonight, just admit he looks good

<3 raiders

thank god they're finally fun

oh they were very fun in the HueJax era

Lechler threw a touchdown, Hue did a photoshoot while getting a pedicure etc

This is the most Raiders fans could have realistically expected: dominant Broncos victory, but we have a QB

looks awesome in some "makes some shit up" time

Raiders just can't do anything up the middle ugh

they shd try raiding

need that new helmet guy, he has spikes

montee ball is moving around nicely out there

and promptly fumbles

<3<3<3 raiders you guys

"illegal forward pass"

omg matt flynn where did it all go wrong

"i like marcel reese" is not a that "that guy"

monte fumball amirite

2 minutes, how terrible can Matt Flynn make this ok not horrible loss

the spread was a push!

mcfadden 12 carries for 9 yards

oh they were very fun in the HueJax era

― Matt Armstrong, Monday, September 23, 2013 11:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

true

Damn Terrelle Pryor concussion, RIP Fun Raiders Era.

Matt Flynn is actually going to have to earn his paycheck now??

I just remembered...wasn't Kaepernick supposed to be down one eyebrow this week?

Nate Burleson broken arm for "trying to save a pizza box"?? smgdh. only the Lions

i stand with nate burleson