can gr80 be unbanned

You guys realize that you are arguing that creating a sockpuppet account, putting it on a private board, pulling information targeted at one poster including said poster's home town and compiling it into a Youtube video that is later reposted to the board shouldn't be a bannable offense because the guy who did it is your friend, right?

markers is being pathetic imo

not my friend

xxp yes? that's kind of the point?

I'm just going to quote what I wrote on 77:

I had no idea gr8080 made that video until later in the day.

Basically, I checked 77, and a user I didn't recognize at all had posted a YouTube video that was comprised of a bunch of posts of mine, a lot, if not all, of which I had posted to 77. I wasn't comfortable with all of those posts being taken off board and made into a video, especially by someone I didn't know and without my permission. So, I wrote the following request to the mods, which I think was reasonable: 77 posts used outside of ILX

That was it. I didn't ask for anyone to be banned, and I would've been totally cool with gr8080 just taking down the video.

― markers, Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:23 AM (1 hour ago)

and

Dudes, I totally agree that my posting about junk food so much was completely tedious, and I'll drop it. I'm working on cutting back on bullshit, extraneous posts in general. But as far as my reaction goes, there was a pretty specific context to it that I already explained, and I don't think I overreacted.

I just got a really nice message from gr8080 off board and, anyway, I'm a fan of him and don't think he should be banned either.

― markers, Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:34 AM (54 minutes ago)

just to be clear, markers, no one thinks that gr8080 is banned because of you. or if they do they are being a little dense about the whole thing.

the way I break it down is that there was no malicious intent. to me (and I saw the original) it was done just for cheap lols (and in hindsight, misguided). no harm, no foul, imo, even if rules were broken and it was knowingly done in violation of the rules.

nah, gr80 isn't rly my friend and i'm sure we could get someone else to cover for his tropical bro schtick, but i think the content was pretty inoffensive (and i don't think 'someone who eats high carb foodstuffs' in x town is incriminatory information)

now it's off youtube, the precedent of no 77 content offsite is reaffirmed pretty clearly and gr80 presumably recognizes it was a shit idea, 60 days seems excessive

to clarify, markers is being pathetic with all this special pleading for grady to be unbanned

it's 60 days, who gives a shit?

cankles, jw, and dom were 86'd for ever

seriously, jon's offense was exponentially less egregious and he was banned forever

i'm sure we could get someone else to cover for his tropical bro schtick

lol

cankles is gone for good?

What exactly did jon do, anyway? I know he hacked ilx somehow, but what?

if "he's a bro" means "the board likes his posts" means "quality content" then I don't think its some miscarriage of justice to consider that as a factor. but how much of a factor when you break borad policy is up to mods.

xposts r.i.p. the big 3

xxp: cankles had like 8 chances and kept getting 51'd!

to clarify, markers is being pathetic with all this special pleading for grady to be unbanned

it's 60 days, who gives a shit?

cankles, jw, and dom were 86'd for ever

the "why are we invading iraq, we should be invading north korea first" of concern trolling

gone for good:

dom, jw, cankles, chaki, gabbneb, luna

i just had the realization that now that Dom, Ethan, JW and cankles are all gone, I'm the board asshole now :(

oh like you don't love it

;)

no! it makes me think i'm next!

I would be much more amenable to shortening the ban had gr8080 posted under his actual name when he put up that Youtube video; it's not like he isn't known for doing creepy weird things off-board with other ILXors names anyway (I'm sure most of you are friends with him on Facebook; ever notice the URL he chose for his profile?). The fact that he did this under a sockpuppet account shows either a stunning lack of judgment or recognition that what he was doing could most charitably be described as "shady".

People have done things like making Red Meat or Xtranormal movies out of posts on regular, googlable ILX for years; it's not particularly nice but it's never been information that was intentionally hidden from general public consumption and, as such, hasn't been acted on by any of the site's moderators. If there are more instances of 77 information being spread around the Internet without poster consent, please let us know.

Also, the original conversation among the mods was "permaban or 60 days?"

xp: lol Whiney/cad

whiney you're WAY too thin-skinned to be the board asshole and I mean that as a compliment

The two constant governing principles of 77 have always been "what happens on 77 stays on 77," and "no using 77 as a private place to talk about non-77ers behind their back." Since the earliest days of that board, there have been little transgressions of these rules and it's never clear whether they're simple mistakes or somebody saying "fuck it, I'm doing this thing and if I get called on it, I get called on it and what are they going to do, ban me?" Here's the deal -- it's not okay -- not even when you do it, whoever you are, even though you're a total bro, don't mean ill to anybody and don't hate fun. You just can't do it without a ban! And it's going to be an attention-getting ban, not a couple of days.

(I'm sure most of you are friends with him on Facebook; ever notice the URL he chose for his profile?).

ILX has a board moderator who's done the same thing? Is that person creepy and weird?

Besides, anyone who believes that 77 is hidden from the outside world in the first place is absolutely clueless.

wow, chaki is a fucking dick

wtf!

that's insane

ILX has a board moderator who's done the same thing? Is that person creepy and weird?

Possibly? Is that board moderator also starting threads about the former poster chosen in their Facebook URL where they attempt to catalog every argument/fight that poster got into?

and yes, everyone knows Chaki is a fucking dick

what the, gabbneb & luna are gone?

Hahahaha I've only just seen all this. Surely Hawaii is never so boring that anyone is reduced to creating Youtube compilations of ILX posts? LAME.

Re: the rights and wrongs of this, I think the mods have a responsibility to send the message that reposting people's own posts, 77 or otherwise, elsewhere for lolz is straight-up unacceptable. He knew it was dodgy, otherwise he wouldn't have registered a sock account for it. I've hung out with Grady and like him a lot but he should man up and take the ban IMO.

He's left ILX for like a year on end before and been perfectly happy without the boards in his life, I'm sure he'll be able to cope with a few week's absence.

I also wanted to address this:

what that explains is that the unknown anonymous poster gets tempbanned for a few days, and when they figure out who did it, they change that to 60 days?

― caek, Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:12 AM (28 minutes ago)

No, the identity wasn't known until after the temp was changed to a perma. It was a case of one mod (me) temping the sock as an immediate measure, and other mods saying "nah, you know, this is totally permabannable. BTW, who is this sock?"

ok

did the mods ever figure out who Poopy G Stinkgarden was?

it's never been information that was intentionally hidden from general public consumption

unless markers is really fuckin shy about his junk food habits i dont think this was 'intentionally hidden' either

still think this is over the top, and "sending a message" via moderation is a bit
http://www.boingboing.net/images/copwithgun.jpg

anyway i dont think anyone thinks grady is like broken up about this--in case anyone does, hes fine

*whew*

i'm worried about grady

Some kind of board lawyer you are, max.

chaki's on 77?

btw i know we cant do this because of all the ~~secrets~~ on it but at this point i would just make 77 public--there are like half a dozen regular threads there with any ~~secret info~~ and most people are just using it like a regular board, there is even basically a watercooler thread, and at this point three quarters of regular posters have access already. when i post to 77 im not like... "oh thank god i can post this information about my fake advice to l0u1s jagg3r about his girl problems ~~in secret~~"

Guys, if someone wants to stump up the cash for the tickets, I'd be willing to give this tropical bro vacancy a shot.

also 77 sucks now

yall should check out I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX

btw i'd like to see gr80 unbanned but i'm sure as i'm sitting here typing this he's reaching across two sleeping women to finish off the now-warm remnants of the previous night's margarita.

what the, gabbneb & luna are gone?

gabbneb got 51'd, came back and was an even more offensive, aggressive dick in retaliation, so we saw no reason to unban him after his second 51

I don't even think luna was actually 51'd but, after the shitstorm that happened around her, I would be shocked and amazed if she ever came back.

xp: we tried to make 77 public and everyone had a shit fit, even though the mod argument was exactly the same as what you just said, max

sussex is positively sweltering this time of year, Nick

also yes I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX is crying out for your patronage

xp: we tried to make 77 public and everyone had a shit fit, even though the mod argument was exactly the same as what you just said, max

― Monkeys? Um, no. (HI DERE), Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:50 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sigh what can you do, people are ninnies sissy cry babies

pure as newly-driven snow

The Secret Borad, coming to theaters near you

you're all running scared of ☰☰☭☰☰ SHEFFIELD UNITED ☰☰☭☰☰ THE OFFICIAL THREAD ☰☰☭☰☰

ilxor.com/sandbox still the secretest ILX borad

and max doesn't really suck obv

btw why wasnt i consulted on the formation of "i love soccer"

there was a vote in re: its creation, but all the ballots came with flyers saying "vote for ismael"

someday well look back on the moment it was created as a turning point in the decline and fall of ilx

the trojan horse of ilx

I mourn the passing of Speakeasy: The Board For Appreciating Shed Seven, a board deliberately created with such an unappealing name that no one would ever click there and see what was going on.

thought the point of 77 wasnt that it was private just that it was ungoogleable

but wtf do i know

― max, Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:00 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is the assumption that I've been working on, i.e. it's pretty clear that anybody with an e-mail address can find their way to 77 with a post on the request thread. the big comfort is knowing that my posting pics of avatar porn is not going to find its way into google (hello future employers)

you know I cant help but think of harbl's post a few days before I made my way onto 77 that the big secret is that 77 just isn't very good. I had visions of homer in chocolateland but really it's like wandering into your uncle's damp and dark basement.

no opinion except using a sock was crappy

kind of think the access to 77 thread shld be locked so ppl can ask when it comes up in conversation, or ask abt it & be told they just have to ask. means u have to read the boards a bit, is all, maybe even take part in them.

i know ppl wanted my opinion on this urgently.

need a suggest 77 button

it's pretty clear that anybody with an e-mail address can find their way to 77

yeah well this is def a policy that i think is about to come under extreme scrutiny.

77 golden age seems over but i still like the residue

As much comedy gold as this thread allows, it's getting locked shortly, so:

1) To answer the thread question: No, grady is serving out the 60. markers is not responsible for this; it's a mod decision. I like grady but even i think the youtube thing was crepey. That said, it wasn't actively malevolent and that's certainly the core reason he didn't pull a permaban.
2) 77 is, for the foreseeable future, remaining a "secret" board, i.e. invite only (though the bar for an invite, at least for the moment, isn't much higher than knowing enough to ask to get in and willingness to play by the rules) and ungooglable.
3) Whenever you post anything on the web, it is no longer secret.
4) It is a major dick move to reference or republish material posted in a board that you asked to enter with the understanding that no one wants you to reference or republish material from that board, regardless of whether it's about your eating habits or your finances.

The requirements should be a minimum of 100 posts, at least five albums YSI'ed, a +1 ranking of over 50 and a username registration over three months old.

And that's just to see the pic's.

lol

ps. Mod community is going to take a brief hiatus on accepting new 77 posters while we discus general guidelines that'll hopefully please the greatest number of people and best serve the borad.

feel like we all learned something here

i say delete all of 77

― max, Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:04 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^^^ i agree

delete it then make it public

Only the best 77 ILX posters should be on 77.

logan's ban

i think we're cool here, i'll be doing a post thread interview over at 77; diplo will be djing and there's free natty ice till 3am so we'll see you there.