An open letter to ILX & mods re: an alternative to the current system

(that's not to K8 specifically but to everybody coming w/ideas they're not willing to implement/craft)

tbqfh i'm undecided on whether or not it's a "better system"

but one thing it will certainly not do is reduce clusterfucks

The unstated community standards have 3 or 4 very clearly agreed rules and a whole bunch of hotly disputed ones representing individuals' opinions I think.

yeah but again

code it yourself if that's what you want

you're smart enough & you're an arrogant asshole if you think somehow the mods have more time on their hands than you

do it or stfu imo

Actually, I did intend to also agree with people who've said 'might be a good idea, but it'd take work to code' - but now you're just being antagonistic for no reason. Also, I don't get why it's a bad idea to discuss it before attempting to code it.

but one thing it will certainly not do is reduce clusterfucks

it might not, but knowing is always better than guessing

I have to go out and do errands for a while

you're smart enough & you're an arrogant asshole if you think somehow the mods have more time on their hands than you

do it or stfu imo

― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:12 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark

cool yr jets bro, jesus, i know full well that the mods do not have the time to do this. as i've said above, this thread isn't about trashing/whining the SB system, but rather elucidating an alternative that ~may not have been considered~ and might be appealing to the people that actually do all the work around here.

ie - stet et al

i believe that is what they call moving the goalposts

P.S. to Jordan, hey, you know what? Making rape jokes is really really REALLY a GREAT way of proving what a non-misogynist you are, and how you totally don't hate me for being a feminist. I mean, seriously. That's up there with making N-word jokes to prove how *past* racism you are.

See if I wasn't sure of the explosion it would cause I would happily threadban you for this willful and abusive accusation

also, i'm actually interested in people laying out specifically how clusterfucks would be BOUND to happen with a flagging system. i mean yeah obv we love a good cf around here, but i honestly think this system has the potential to preempt those that come up around people getting banned (THREAD OF MISSING ______), while allowing ppl to go bonkers over bottle openers all the live long day

Actually, I did intend to also agree with people who've said 'might be a good idea, but it'd take work to code' - but now you're just being antagonistic for no reason. Also, I don't get why it's a bad idea to discuss it before attempting to code it.

because telling other people who aren't paid for their work "code this" is a dick move in my opinion! they do what they do because they're members of the community who either 1) incidentally have skills that can help the community function more smoothly, or 2) have acquired such skills specifically to help said community. and in either case: people demanding actual labor from people who are volunteering their time & effort is a fucking bullshit look imo. if you are that aggravated, get a couple of programming manuals off Alibris @ 5.00 apiece and use the brain u obv have for two weeks and do something about it instead of demanding that unpaid volunteers satisfy yr own desires for a board you access for free.

again just imo. I know I express myself caustically but the sense of entitlement by people demanding changes is kinda repulsive to me.

yet no one told them to code sb in the first place

I did actually

sonofa

oh I heard it was Ian Curtis from beyond the grave

Moderation Discretion is already a lot like a flag system

no one is demanding anything! at least i'm not---i just think that kate's idea is a good one (and one i'd actually had myself after seeing it on another board), and if talking through it attracts the attention of someone who can and is willing to code it, then that's a good thing, right? no one's stamping their feet or feeling entitled to anything. so please don't call me repulsive, ffs.

well he WAS a nazi, so

and anybody who thinks something wasn't needed in light of our trolls & really unpleasant unending clusterfucks is full of shit imo but that's where it comes down to the usual divide here -- people who favor a wild west "if you can't handle being abused, 'man up'" environment vs. people who hate that kind of attitude with a burning passion. I count myself among the latter number. this dispute won't ever be resolved to the satisfaction of either party. wherefore, if you have a better idea, volunteer & implement it, or be quiet, imo

personally I haven't seen ILX add any new functions so I don't see any flag system would ever happening on grounds that it would require programming

can i just say it's completely ridiculous to expect people to code a feature without an agreement from the community to adopt it

people who favor a wild west "if you can't handle being abused, 'man up'" environment vs. people who hate that kind of attitude with a burning passion

That's a false dichotomy tho, eh? I wouldn't put myself in either camp but somewhere in the "civility is in the frequently biased eye of the beholder" position.

REALLY looking forward to reading this GREAT looking thread

That's a false dichotomy tho, eh? I wouldn't put myself in either camp but somewhere in the "civility is in the frequently biased eye of the beholder" position.

SB'd with the fury of 51 socks

Do you know what beef is?

I don't know what language the board is coded in. I used to be reasonably fluent in SQL but it's quite rusty right not. That said, the idea that any mods would let me anywhere near the source code is pretty laughable. I am, however, a programmer, and I currently have fuckloads of free time at work.

As far as I understand it, SB's are already attached to posts - it might be just a case of adapting the existing code. Instead of the "confirm SB" page, insert a value (for reason, if we go with that, from a drop-down box) to the record. I'm guessing the SB record already has ID of the banned, ID of the banner, and the ID of the message it was referred from - because when you SB someone, the link on that post goes read, but the others stay unread, which makes me think that the message ID is passed through. (if the message ID wasn't important, it would be a default link that would be the same for all messages by a user.)

It would actually require a change in behaviour (and changing "suggest ban" to "flag post" on each post) of the users and the mods, more than actual coding, I think. Which might be harder to change, but it would be a better paradigm to build.

can i just say it's completely ridiculous to expect people to code a feature without an agreement from the community to adopt it

Why not? That's how SB got coded in to start with. I certainly never agreed to it.

poll

what would actually be helpful is if the mods or admins actually came out and said a) if they are open to a new feature and b) if they have time to code it or to get another coder started.

so i'm just gonna sit here and hold my breath for that

yeah cuz I have some great ideas for other features!

Do you know what beef is?

beef is when I SB you
guaranteed to number 52

Beef is when yr mods aren't safe up in the street

beef is when your socks roll several log-ins deep

beef is not what kate said to mods
beef is when the an ilxor can't find lolz

the

wat

I repeat: I DO NOT KNOW what I was SB'd for. If that makes me clueless, I'm clueless. Neither SB I've had came in the middle of a clusterfuck - in fact, one came while I was asleep. It could be for thinking Slowdive is worse than Hitler. I have no idea. I do know I have a reputation as "OMG, that girl that talks about feminism and rape culture all the time." I get a lot of shit for talking about gender issues.

this is the problem with your flagging suggestion...i'd guess* that most ppl who SB you do so because they generally dislike the sort of prolix clusterfucks that your posting style tends to lead to, rather than because of any individual posts you make. you're being disingenuous by positing that a large number of posters will want someone banned because they disagree over the relative merits of shoegaze bands.

* i tend to dislike the sb system, and as said before would rather you hadn't been banned.

ie i haven't SBd u.

wat

― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

"wat's beef," u mean

i sometimes SB people just coz i remember to at that moment, not because the specific post p'd me o

wat ttyler

lamb not beef people

Just add "disingenuous" to the long list of "clueless, socially retarded, etc." of things I'm supposed to be, because the SB system is so inherently flawed as to not tell people what they are being punished for.

The *point* is that not telling people what they are being punished for leads to random paranoia and confusion, not to any kind of behavioural change.

i SB-ed you when you made a completely unwarranted attack on me.

i sometimes SB people just coz i remember to at that moment, not because the specific post p'd me o

― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Sunday, November 21, 2010 2:37 PM (6 minutes ago)

this might be the most informative post on this whole thread, i was actually wondering about this tbh

I would support letting K8 code an alternate system an then trying it out for a period of time, if that was proposed - I don't know if it'd be better but I doubt it'd be a disaster and it'd be a cool experiment.

anyone know where the source is kept? i seem to remember it being called "messageboard" or something, but that's not the easiest thing to search for on code.google.com

can i vote that masonic boom not be let anywhere near the code of this board - or any other poster who isn't a mod, come to that

i mean didn't jon williams effectively get barred from ilx for tinkering with the board code???

Just add "disingenuous" to the long list of "clueless, socially retarded, etc." of things I'm supposed to be, because the SB system is so inherently flawed as to not tell people what they are being punished for.

The *point* is that not telling people what they are being punished for leads to random paranoia and confusion, not to any kind of behavioural change.

― Karen D. Tregaskin, Sunday, 21 November 2010 22:39 (4 minutes ago)

the general problem - and the wilful mischaracterization of others that has annoyed ppl itt is a symptom - is that the time you spend reading/understanding other posts seems miniscule compared to the time spent expounding yr own opinions, and the interpretative charity you demand of others is seldom displayed in your own posts.

anyone know where the source is kept? i seem to remember it being called "messageboard" or something, but that's not the easiest thing to search for on code.google.com

it's been taken down iirc