J0rdan, if you're reading this, try posting now
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
jjj, as I understand it, the main difference is that dick-move-perpetrators are informed of the dickishness of their move immediately rather than find out weeks or months later that their posting life is considered a collection of dickmoves by 51 ilxors -- which I'm totally for. I think that a lot of ilxors who get flagged are going to say "fuck you, that's just me KEEPIN IT REAL," but at least everybody will know exactly what they're getting called out for
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:46 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark
props for this. extracting reason from all the clusterfuckery.
― cha-cha cheating (bnw), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
xp stfu and go do it jj, it's what 5 people want
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:42 (1 minute ago)
http://i.imgur.com/UnvzI.jpg
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxxxp to kaen
some of us want the option of the user being removed from the whole site for 30 days, should we start a thread lobbying against that being removed?
again, taking you at face value that you don;t know how you could ever have been banned under sb, your argument is predicated on being suggest banned for nothing that you can think of except that at least 51 ilxors are total shitheads.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
most of my sb's are of the "you need a break from the site" variety
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
To make it really short:
Suggest ban = users are two year oldsFlag/report post = users are adults
― Karen D. Tregaskin, Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I had a bunch of stuff to say, but it's probably better that I stay out of these convos. Lemme just say that I'm glad I'm not a mod here, many of you are... needlessly difficult.
― Onigaga (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
this all seems a bit complex
maybe we shd just say why we sb people, as and when, but oh no, that would be zing culture
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
does anyone read anymore
cad: k8 has stated several times over that she a) is a programmer (tho rusty) and b) would at least like to look at the source code. as would i, but mostly to see if i can even parse it.
as for how this would be substantially different than SBs: i've made what i thought was a pretty clear case, a few times. flagging posts attracts mod attn ~to that post~ and they can, as they do now, decide what to do about the infraction. modding is then directed towards something controversial ~as it happens~ vs someone suddenly getting disappeared because their posting history caught up with them. also, in a "rhetorical" sense, flagging a post is just saying "i don't think this is appropriate" vs saying "i think this person should no longer post on ilx"
xp thanking u, kate
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually my (very very few) have also been this. General "pull back, you need a break" pings, based on multiple posts of wtfery.
― And this one time, on Bandcamp... (Trayce), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
No.
My argument is "if you do not KNOW why you have been SB'd, your imagination can run riot and you can think that it might be for A or for B or for CDEFGHIJKLMNOP"
If you want to read that as saying "OMG, she just accused everyone who SB'd her of being LMNOP!" that is an incorrect conclusion to draw from the statement that I made.
― Karen D. Tregaskin, Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
what about those of us who sb as a gesture of love
sure it's a dysfunctional way of expressing ourselves but who are you to judge us
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
in seriousness tho K8 people do tell you when they're exasperated with you? like how you could not know exactly which posting behaviors have resulted in sb's is a total mystery, since you are smart and can figure that out??
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
if you have ever been banned can you be considered an adult
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i know! why are you explaining this to me?
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
sometimes we just like to explain things to call all destroyer
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― Karen D. Tregaskin
code in an age check, keep sb
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
can I just say that while I am often frustrated with and irritated by KDT/MB, the original post in this thread was reasonable, and it was carefully timed not to fall in the middle of any other metashit -- a good attempt to talk borad mechanics. And she still got four SBs for it. Doesn't that make it obvious that she's getting SB'd for existing, not for anything specific she did wrong in that post?
That's the kind of bullshit that I think a flag post system instead of a SB system might help eliminate.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
to make it shorter = this sort of garbage is why people sb you
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
probably already been said in this very long thread, but i would guess that starting this thread will have earned you 5< SBs, because it's annoying and cluster-fucky
xp
ha
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
as a child I posted pictures of men stretching their anuses out, as all children did, in the 90s
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
flagging posts attracts mod attn ~to that post~ and they can, as they do now, decide what to do about the infraction. modding is then directed towards something controversial ~as it happens~ vs someone suddenly getting disappeared because their posting history caught up with them. also, in a "rhetorical" sense, flagging a post is just saying "i don't think this is appropriate" vs saying "i think this person should no longer post on ilx"
ok
why not both?
also- do sb's draw mod attention to a post or not?
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link
"only I am an adult! people who disagree with me are children! it is a great mystery why I get SB'd!" like seriously? I'm one of the few posters whose "fuck you, the patriarchy" radar is as sensitive as yours, but that post warrants a huge FUCK YOU from me
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
and again: flagging, like SBs, would have a threshold (i said 20, arbitrarily). not a threshold for ~action~, but for ~notification~. like if somebody went and flagged an entire thread for lolz, it wouldn't necessarily be brought to the attn of mods. if someone made an egregious post in a highly trafficked thread, then it seems likely that lots of like-minded ilxors would say "hey that's not cool." i generally do NOT SB because i like having some of our more controversial posters, and i don't want them to get 86d because i registered my disapproval of ONE POST. however, it would be nice to be able to call attn to it (i'm more inclined to post a response, but still) and maybe have that lead to a yellow card or temp ban or w/e.
cuz if i'm not mistaken (mods?), temp bans are usually the result of attn drawn to specific posts, whereas the review process for SBs is only twigged when they hit the threshold
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
why are you guys making this about kate, it's a little weird
sorry, cad! i misread this:
this happened?― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:32 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:32 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark
i thought you meant "kate never offered to help" when you actually meant "no one slapped anyone down"
my b
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm actually replyin to everyone that's called me names itt, gbx, tbf. i even posted to some who didn't
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
and, just so we didn't miss it:
can I just say that while I am often frustrated with and irritated by KDT/MB, the original post in this thread was reasonable, and it was carefully timed not to fall in the middle of any other metashit -- a good attempt to talk borad mechanics. And she still got four SBs for it. Doesn't that make it obvious that she's getting SB'd for existing, not for anything specific she did wrong in that post?That's the kind of bullshit that I think a flag post system instead of a SB system might help eliminate.― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Sunday, November 21, 2010 6:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Sunday, November 21, 2010 6:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I was actually going to use Bimble as my SB example fwiw.
― And this one time, on Bandcamp... (Trayce), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, pretty unhelpful there
yeah, that's pretty much right
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
btw the discourse of banscussion wrings our hands for us and causes undue and unproportionate and unnecessary stress for its participants - kate has a right to express her sentiments and I have no problem with her doing so (indeed I agree with most of them) but this thread is just too long and it draws too much negative energy to ILX - I cannot think of a way to remedy this without restricting freedom of speech except personal restraint though
thread shd have really been a discussion between kate, wmc and jjj maybe? get abbott involved too? idk
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
agh was hoping this would stay on point and not become an attack thread.
― Friday: vuvuzela club meeting (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i like having some of our more controversial posters, and i don't want them to get 86d because i registered my disapproval of ONE POST
tryin to think if i've ever sb'd someone for 'just one post'. i may have, it'd want to have been a bad one. i doubt it's the normal sb behaviour of most posters.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic)
?????
xps
i've already been called repulsive on this thread, but i'm not sweating it. this doesn't HAVE to be a clusterfuck thread, ppl, we're just all doing our little part to ensure that it is
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
what you mean there is an email, son
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
am pulling my horns in, if they've been out. still tryin to get an answer to several points i've put to you on yr flag theory. cool with everyone here, but not to the extent where mt posts are just flat misrepresented as attacking k8.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
btw max always <3 but fuck u for suggesting that "fix it or stop insisting that someone else fix it for you" somehow compares to "my country love it or leave it" - you don't get to whine about me calling democrats assholes anymore in light of that dude
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I do think it'd speak well of us as a board if we were able to say why we were SBing someone/ flagging a post without playing it for lols. That's not to say I'm certain that we do could do it, just that I think it'd be a good thing.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 22 November 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway i'd like to think that i've been level-headed up in here, sorry if i havent. i'm just a little bummed that a genuinely interesting alternative to the suggest ban that still gives the community some input (and, in theory, lifts some of the burden of mod shoulders to keenly police all threads) is being lol'd outta town because oh no another sb thread and because kate happened to be the one that started it
xp ha was wondering when politics would come up
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
like to begin with, this is a message board, not a country
this is the sort of distinction you'd generally be quick to draw
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
like i said- a thread where we went in and posted who we've just sb'd and why.
that would sort one of the main bones of contention.
and it would let mods decide if it would stand as legit or not.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
evan you've been p clear and reasonable imo now answer my q's you jerk
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link
every sb requires an explanation of more than 30 characters and goes in an accessible log haha
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link
reinstate hi dere ffs
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, November 21, 2010 7:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
k whatever mang
― max, Monday, 22 November 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
and, before i get aerozung, i'd like to reiterate that i'm not demanding anything from our staff of volunteers. i was just sorta hoping we could have a reasonable discussion NOT about why SBs are so bad and hated, but how flags might actually serve the needs of our lil messageboard, maybe think through whether or not they could work. but since i am not a programmer, i probably shouldn't think aloud about stuff like that until i finish reading that book on ruby i bought a few years ago and never finished
xp sorry dmac, what was the q again? srs
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i forget :(
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
1) Ad hominem attacks2) Bullying3) Racism4) Sexism/Misogyny5) Homophobia6) Hate Speech (other)
there are very, very few occasions when these don't get picked up
ppl get suggest-banned not for these things but becuz they rub ppl up the wrong way
i got SB'd and i couldn't give a shit which posts it was 'for' or who SB'd me
the idea that a poster would change his or her posting style based on the advice generated by a complicated drop-down menu system is... unconvincing
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Monday, 22 November 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I also don't think it's controversial to say that some people might genuinely not get that they're making the board worse at a given moment! I'm sure anyone who posts moderately frequently and doesn't have the wisdom of a nabsico does it sometimes. Like, I enjoy darragh as a poster hugely but I wish he'd not argue with K8 all the time!
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Monday, 22 November 2010 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link