no offense
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 November 2010 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
(actually, just kidding)
xxxp to ptt hoooo boy
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
only redundant in that if a given poster is getting flagged all the g-d time, then the mods can just ban 'em. no one gets voted off the island.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx),
mods cant make that call themselves?
sb, for me, works only if mods are making the calls on what's acceptable/banworthy completely independently of sb totals. sb used as a register of complaint of the kind of mid/low level annoyance/nuisance/disruption that can make a poster who never posts anything banworthy in one post a real PITA
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
What is the purpose of the suggest ban system? I am asking this now, in a lull, in the hopes that we can reasonably and non-specifically address a potential alternative.
-Is it to attempt to punish or reform the behaviour of out of control or problem posters?-Is it to lighten the workload of the mods, and eliminate the need for "Ban Poster X" campaigns?-Is it to create a general air of paranoia, fear and suspicion, dissuade posters from expressing views they fear may be unpopular, and drive the creation of new screen names and socks to express opinions?
so imo sb is for none of those things
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
princess tam tam even tho upthread I advocated greater restraint on the part of non-mod ppl other than kate posting itt, you are proposing bad bad things
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
well, maybe the first one tbf, tho 'out of control' isn't quite right
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
need a mod & kate only board, lj?
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
see, the only reason i've managed to stay with this thread is because i live in lol mn and am drinking 3.2 k*ll*ans
lol high five
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
tam tam is only a princess in the sense that he likes his new tiara and his suggestions are terrible
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:27 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark
What do you mean?
― Onigaga (Princess TamTam), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmhZW1dDis
suggest beef
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Gbx for a small fee I will call you every Saturday afternoon and tell you to go to the gddmn liquor store.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean 3.2 k*ll*ans u poor bastard
i did, it just, uh, didn't last.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
a bitter harvest
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
loool
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― Onigaga (Princess TamTam), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:28 (6 minutes ago)
yr proposals advocate out and out authoritarianism, no right of reply, and the sort of unfeeling moderation for which ILX is seldom if ever known
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
1) Ad hominem attacks 2) Bullying 3) Racism 4) Sexism/Misogyny 5) Homophobia 6) Hate Speech (other)the mods already take care of all these pretty effectively imo. Note what reasons are not given: this system is *not* for things one finds annoying but not mod-worthyi don't agree with it, but my understanding is that this is exactly what SB is supposed to capture: low level dickishness.― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:03 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkif the mods find it useful/reassuring to have the silent support of SBs before they make a moderation decision they would have hesitated to make on their own, then i'm all for keeping it. and when they make that decision, they can tell the problem poster why.but 51 = 30 days, 102 = 60 days automated bans seem to be treated like a force of nature by the mods simply because keith wrote the code that way. and in practice they've resulted in a mixture of absurd and uncool popularity contest bans that make ilx a worse place, and perfectly sensible bans/timeouts for bad faith dickishness the mods could have done themselves. just get rid of the autoban, keep the "suggest ban" button as an "fyi this post annoyed me" if the mods fine it useful, and the system is fine.― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:19 (Yesterday)
the mods already take care of all these pretty effectively imo.
Note what reasons are not given: this system is *not* for things one finds annoying but not mod-worthy
i don't agree with it, but my understanding is that this is exactly what SB is supposed to capture: low level dickishness.
― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:03 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
if the mods find it useful/reassuring to have the silent support of SBs before they make a moderation decision they would have hesitated to make on their own, then i'm all for keeping it. and when they make that decision, they can tell the problem poster why.
but 51 = 30 days, 102 = 60 days automated bans seem to be treated like a force of nature by the mods simply because keith wrote the code that way. and in practice they've resulted in a mixture of absurd and uncool popularity contest bans that make ilx a worse place, and perfectly sensible bans/timeouts for bad faith dickishness the mods could have done themselves. just get rid of the autoban, keep the "suggest ban" button as an "fyi this post annoyed me" if the mods fine it useful, and the system is fine.
― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:19 (Yesterday)
i agree with all this 100% hope it's not too dense in someone else's words
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
dude, your situation would be massively IMPROVED if all that came to pass
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link
except "automated bans" just isn't true, as has been stated here and on every other SB thread. Bans are not automatic.
xp
― Lindsey Lohan is the new Extreme Noise Terror (onimo), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
that is very fair xxpost
Why so, WmC? I know the mods are trying to help me so I got a lotta time for yr many decisions, but I think a right of reply and an informed consensus is very important as well (albeit more so in politics than on ILX).
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Trayce said this too and it's sound. So maybe just call 'suggest ban' something less inciteful or make the link harder to get at or something.
― Friday: vuvuzela club meeting (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Or put love hearts around it maybe.
― Friday: vuvuzela club meeting (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
"right of reply" is the 50x before 51 imo lj
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
well they've spoken and I'm listening
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
hey gbx - while I disagree that the flagging system will solve much of anything, I want to sincerely give you props for being civil and keeping it positive on this thread.
― sarahel, Monday, 22 November 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
If all ban decisions had been taken out of the hands of SB'ers, you probably wouldn't have gotten your third month off.
On the other hand the first month off might have been permanent, so I dunno.
In other words, it was mostly a joke.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
(to LJ)
lj's third ban was when? i think his second one was worse tbh.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
have only had 2 SBs
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
'only' haha
~foreshadowing~
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 November 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
:(
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
and thx sarahel, tho i'm on my third k*ll*ans so things might get a little crazy around here
i was fond of my tribute thread though. some of my finest creative work on ilx.
― sarahel, Monday, 22 November 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
why are you googleproofing the beer name?
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 November 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
it does it automatically!!!
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, I could have sworn you've had three! xp to lj
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i still dont get the argument gbx is making, but that's because i'm unnecessarily dense obvs, but dude's f'real cool itt.
lj asked for his total lately and it was quite high again and radcge ensued so that might explain it
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
have had a couple of selfbans for academic reasons + a tombot tempban when shit was gettin heated
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
what's ur banné take on sb system. feel ur somewhat of a strange case tbh, reform was textbook imo after #1
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Beer name is the same as the name of an ilx user who needed his POWERWORD irl name googleproofed for work-related reasons.
― Pashmina, Monday, 22 November 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
tell him his beer sucks
um...well I was still offending ilxors in their droves until recently! so reform wasn't textbook, was still goin' ape online @ ppl, ultranagl - let them register their disapproval and I will try 2 amend, peace god
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
could you googleproof my POWERWORD irl name for work-related reasons? The "l" stands for Loko, thanks.
― sarahel, Monday, 22 November 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
you've had a few episodes lately tbf, but so you know i didnt sb you when you radged me out that time about gf tomfoolery <3 do uc
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
K8 if you're still reading this thread:
Maybe I'm the only one who feels that you taking a break from ILX via SB or whatever is akin to an alcoholic taking a enforced break from alcohol via rehab or whatever (i.e. a good idea).
But I guess I just can't understand why you keep coming back to the thing that clearly makes you miserable and angry.
― quincie, Monday, 22 November 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link