An open letter to ILX & mods re: an alternative to the current system

well, maybe the first one tbf, tho 'out of control' isn't quite right

need a mod & kate only board, lj?

see, the only reason i've managed to stay with this thread is because i live in lol mn and am drinking 3.2 k*ll*ans

lol high five

tam tam is only a princess in the sense that he likes his new tiara and his suggestions are terrible

princess tam tam even tho upthread I advocated greater restraint on the part of non-mod ppl other than kate posting itt, you are proposing bad bad things

― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:27 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark

What do you mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmhZW1dDis

suggest beef

Gbx for a small fee I will call you every Saturday afternoon and tell you to go to the gddmn liquor store.

I mean 3.2 k*ll*ans u poor bastard

i did, it just, uh, didn't last.

a bitter harvest

loool

What do you mean?

― Onigaga (Princess TamTam), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:28 (6 minutes ago)

yr proposals advocate out and out authoritarianism, no right of reply, and the sort of unfeeling moderation for which ILX is seldom if ever known

1) Ad hominem attacks
2) Bullying
3) Racism
4) Sexism/Misogyny
5) Homophobia
6) Hate Speech (other)

the mods already take care of all these pretty effectively imo.

Note what reasons are not given: this system is *not* for things one finds annoying but not mod-worthy

i don't agree with it, but my understanding is that this is exactly what SB is supposed to capture: low level dickishness.

― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:03 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if the mods find it useful/reassuring to have the silent support of SBs before they make a moderation decision they would have hesitated to make on their own, then i'm all for keeping it. and when they make that decision, they can tell the problem poster why.

but 51 = 30 days, 102 = 60 days automated bans seem to be treated like a force of nature by the mods simply because keith wrote the code that way. and in practice they've resulted in a mixture of absurd and uncool popularity contest bans that make ilx a worse place, and perfectly sensible bans/timeouts for bad faith dickishness the mods could have done themselves. just get rid of the autoban, keep the "suggest ban" button as an "fyi this post annoyed me" if the mods fine it useful, and the system is fine.

― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:19 (Yesterday)

i agree with all this 100% hope it's not too dense in someone else's words

yr proposals advocate out and out authoritarianism, no right of reply, and the sort of unfeeling moderation for which ILX is seldom if ever known

dude, your situation would be massively IMPROVED if all that came to pass

except "automated bans" just isn't true, as has been stated here and on every other SB thread. Bans are not automatic.

xp

that is very fair xxpost

Why so, WmC? I know the mods are trying to help me so I got a lotta time for yr many decisions, but I think a right of reply and an informed consensus is very important as well (albeit more so in politics than on ILX).

except "automated bans" just isn't true, as has been stated here and on every other SB thread. Bans are not automatic.

Trayce said this too and it's sound. So maybe just call 'suggest ban' something less inciteful or make the link harder to get at or something.

Or put love hearts around it maybe.

"right of reply" is the 50x before 51 imo lj

well they've spoken and I'm listening

hey gbx - while I disagree that the flagging system will solve much of anything, I want to sincerely give you props for being civil and keeping it positive on this thread.

If all ban decisions had been taken out of the hands of SB'ers, you probably wouldn't have gotten your third month off.

On the other hand the first month off might have been permanent, so I dunno.

In other words, it was mostly a joke.

(to LJ)

lj's third ban was when? i think his second one was worse tbh.

have only had 2 SBs

'only' haha

~foreshadowing~

lol

:(

and thx sarahel, tho i'm on my third k*ll*ans so things might get a little crazy around here

i was fond of my tribute thread though. some of my finest creative work on ilx.

why are you googleproofing the beer name?

it does it automatically!!!

ok, I could have sworn you've had three! xp to lj

i still dont get the argument gbx is making, but that's because i'm unnecessarily dense obvs, but dude's f'real cool itt.

lj asked for his total lately and it was quite high again and radcge ensued so that might explain it

have had a couple of selfbans for academic reasons + a tombot tempban when shit was gettin heated

what's ur banné take on sb system. feel ur somewhat of a strange case tbh, reform was textbook imo after #1

Beer name is the same as the name of an ilx user who needed his POWERWORD irl name googleproofed for work-related reasons.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

tell him his beer sucks

um...well I was still offending ilxors in their droves until recently! so reform wasn't textbook, was still goin' ape online @ ppl, ultranagl - let them register their disapproval and I will try 2 amend, peace god

could you googleproof my POWERWORD irl name for work-related reasons? The "l" stands for Loko, thanks.

you've had a few episodes lately tbf, but so you know i didnt sb you when you radged me out that time about gf tomfoolery <3 do uc

K8 if you're still reading this thread:

Maybe I'm the only one who feels that you taking a break from ILX via SB or whatever is akin to an alcoholic taking a enforced break from alcohol via rehab or whatever (i.e. a good idea).

But I guess I just can't understand why you keep coming back to the thing that clearly makes you miserable and angry.

yr proposals advocate out and out authoritarianism, no right of reply, and the sort of unfeeling moderation for which ILX is seldom if ever known

― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Glib response: why is any of that bad? Honestly, there's a lot of smart and articulate people on here, and I kinda feel like it works against yall sometimes... when an undeniable dickhead like Whiney is given a break from the site, all these otherwise-intelligent people get their hackles up and start writing crazy screeds about the rise of fascism and when is d4n p3rry gonna come for my uncool niece... it has a virus-like effect on the rest of the site and makes people feel like it's okay to sass mods and whine constantly instead of having fruitful, constructive non-meta discussions. Let Whiney make a personal appeal if he wants to, why does there need to be a 2000 post thread about it? Idk if I should out myself like this, but as a former banned user I found it ridiculous when people would give the mods a hard time for any of my perfectly justifiable bannings (tho that happened less as they became more frequent, Lmao)... i mean its nice when people have your back and all, but so much noise gets made over the mods doing their job the same as any of us would... just imho...

oh, ok, that's who I thought you were.

this'll be a good thread to refer to the poster who once wrote "it'd be nice btw if every fucking visible mod didn't post from the same slumber party" -- lot of good civil disagreement up in this thing

between mods, i mean

yeah but ur still in the same room wearing pyjamas how can we trust you

O_o uh oh I am wearing pajamas tho is the thing