princess tam tam even tho upthread I advocated greater restraint on the part of non-mod ppl other than kate posting itt, you are proposing bad bad things
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:27 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark
What do you mean?
― Onigaga (Princess TamTam), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmhZW1dDis
suggest beef
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Gbx for a small fee I will call you every Saturday afternoon and tell you to go to the gddmn liquor store.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean 3.2 k*ll*ans u poor bastard
i did, it just, uh, didn't last.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
a bitter harvest
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
loool
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― Onigaga (Princess TamTam), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:28 (6 minutes ago)
yr proposals advocate out and out authoritarianism, no right of reply, and the sort of unfeeling moderation for which ILX is seldom if ever known
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
1) Ad hominem attacks 2) Bullying 3) Racism 4) Sexism/Misogyny 5) Homophobia 6) Hate Speech (other)the mods already take care of all these pretty effectively imo. Note what reasons are not given: this system is *not* for things one finds annoying but not mod-worthyi don't agree with it, but my understanding is that this is exactly what SB is supposed to capture: low level dickishness.― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:03 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkif the mods find it useful/reassuring to have the silent support of SBs before they make a moderation decision they would have hesitated to make on their own, then i'm all for keeping it. and when they make that decision, they can tell the problem poster why.but 51 = 30 days, 102 = 60 days automated bans seem to be treated like a force of nature by the mods simply because keith wrote the code that way. and in practice they've resulted in a mixture of absurd and uncool popularity contest bans that make ilx a worse place, and perfectly sensible bans/timeouts for bad faith dickishness the mods could have done themselves. just get rid of the autoban, keep the "suggest ban" button as an "fyi this post annoyed me" if the mods fine it useful, and the system is fine.― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:19 (Yesterday)
the mods already take care of all these pretty effectively imo.
Note what reasons are not given: this system is *not* for things one finds annoying but not mod-worthy
i don't agree with it, but my understanding is that this is exactly what SB is supposed to capture: low level dickishness.
― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:03 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
if the mods find it useful/reassuring to have the silent support of SBs before they make a moderation decision they would have hesitated to make on their own, then i'm all for keeping it. and when they make that decision, they can tell the problem poster why.
but 51 = 30 days, 102 = 60 days automated bans seem to be treated like a force of nature by the mods simply because keith wrote the code that way. and in practice they've resulted in a mixture of absurd and uncool popularity contest bans that make ilx a worse place, and perfectly sensible bans/timeouts for bad faith dickishness the mods could have done themselves. just get rid of the autoban, keep the "suggest ban" button as an "fyi this post annoyed me" if the mods fine it useful, and the system is fine.
― caek, Sunday, 21 November 2010 14:19 (Yesterday)
i agree with all this 100% hope it's not too dense in someone else's words
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
dude, your situation would be massively IMPROVED if all that came to pass
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link
except "automated bans" just isn't true, as has been stated here and on every other SB thread. Bans are not automatic.
xp
― Lindsey Lohan is the new Extreme Noise Terror (onimo), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
that is very fair xxpost
Why so, WmC? I know the mods are trying to help me so I got a lotta time for yr many decisions, but I think a right of reply and an informed consensus is very important as well (albeit more so in politics than on ILX).
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Trayce said this too and it's sound. So maybe just call 'suggest ban' something less inciteful or make the link harder to get at or something.
― Friday: vuvuzela club meeting (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Or put love hearts around it maybe.
― Friday: vuvuzela club meeting (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link
"right of reply" is the 50x before 51 imo lj
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
well they've spoken and I'm listening
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
hey gbx - while I disagree that the flagging system will solve much of anything, I want to sincerely give you props for being civil and keeping it positive on this thread.
― sarahel, Monday, 22 November 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
If all ban decisions had been taken out of the hands of SB'ers, you probably wouldn't have gotten your third month off.
On the other hand the first month off might have been permanent, so I dunno.
In other words, it was mostly a joke.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
(to LJ)
lj's third ban was when? i think his second one was worse tbh.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
have only had 2 SBs
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
'only' haha
~foreshadowing~
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 November 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
:(
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
and thx sarahel, tho i'm on my third k*ll*ans so things might get a little crazy around here
i was fond of my tribute thread though. some of my finest creative work on ilx.
― sarahel, Monday, 22 November 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
why are you googleproofing the beer name?
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 22 November 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
it does it automatically!!!
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, I could have sworn you've had three! xp to lj
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i still dont get the argument gbx is making, but that's because i'm unnecessarily dense obvs, but dude's f'real cool itt.
lj asked for his total lately and it was quite high again and radcge ensued so that might explain it
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
have had a couple of selfbans for academic reasons + a tombot tempban when shit was gettin heated
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
what's ur banné take on sb system. feel ur somewhat of a strange case tbh, reform was textbook imo after #1
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Beer name is the same as the name of an ilx user who needed his POWERWORD irl name googleproofed for work-related reasons.
― Pashmina, Monday, 22 November 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
tell him his beer sucks
um...well I was still offending ilxors in their droves until recently! so reform wasn't textbook, was still goin' ape online @ ppl, ultranagl - let them register their disapproval and I will try 2 amend, peace god
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
could you googleproof my POWERWORD irl name for work-related reasons? The "l" stands for Loko, thanks.
― sarahel, Monday, 22 November 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
you've had a few episodes lately tbf, but so you know i didnt sb you when you radged me out that time about gf tomfoolery <3 do uc
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
K8 if you're still reading this thread:
Maybe I'm the only one who feels that you taking a break from ILX via SB or whatever is akin to an alcoholic taking a enforced break from alcohol via rehab or whatever (i.e. a good idea).
But I guess I just can't understand why you keep coming back to the thing that clearly makes you miserable and angry.
― quincie, Monday, 22 November 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
Glib response: why is any of that bad? Honestly, there's a lot of smart and articulate people on here, and I kinda feel like it works against yall sometimes... when an undeniable dickhead like Whiney is given a break from the site, all these otherwise-intelligent people get their hackles up and start writing crazy screeds about the rise of fascism and when is d4n p3rry gonna come for my uncool niece... it has a virus-like effect on the rest of the site and makes people feel like it's okay to sass mods and whine constantly instead of having fruitful, constructive non-meta discussions. Let Whiney make a personal appeal if he wants to, why does there need to be a 2000 post thread about it? Idk if I should out myself like this, but as a former banned user I found it ridiculous when people would give the mods a hard time for any of my perfectly justifiable bannings (tho that happened less as they became more frequent, Lmao)... i mean its nice when people have your back and all, but so much noise gets made over the mods doing their job the same as any of us would... just imho...
― Onigaga (Princess TamTam), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, ok, that's who I thought you were.
― sarahel, Monday, 22 November 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
this'll be a good thread to refer to the poster who once wrote "it'd be nice btw if every fucking visible mod didn't post from the same slumber party" -- lot of good civil disagreement up in this thing
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link
between mods, i mean
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but ur still in the same room wearing pyjamas how can we trust you
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link
O_o uh oh I am wearing pajamas tho is the thing
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
ok no, bad images nowxp!
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I support a system in which people can respond to Karen D. Tregaskin posts and let her know without any ambiguity that they are suggest banning/post flagging her because she is being unnecessarily aggressive and not because she is a woman who "resists rape culture"
― inner g pills (crüt), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
are you Lok'd?
― sarahel, Monday, 22 November 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
not since last december
I am clean atm
― inner g pills (crüt), Monday, 22 November 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link