requesting my post be changed back from a mod-lol comedy edit to its original form

pro tip for getting along on ILX: don't call people dicks!

There's a power disparity even in cases where there are no mods involved, dude.

remy just change the i to a u under my new system then it will be maybe kind of a cute post

haha

There's a power disparity even in cases where there are no mods involved, dude.

― Matt DC, Thursday, February 9, 2012 2:07 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol wut

Basically a poster with a load of people prepared to back him up slamming on a poster who doesn't have that backup = power disparity. It's the way power dynamics work in any group situation.

wouldn't it make more sense for the poster w/ a load of people prepared to back him up to be a mod and the person who doesn't not to be a mod

I have zero problems w/ anyone being a dick-- mod or otherwise-- as long as we can call each other out like we are here w/o having mods edit our posts or mob rule banning ppl.

i may be wishing for an impossible utopia but I'm not contradicting myself.

xposts

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Would still love a straight answer from max to my question. C&P posts from beachville and SMC aren't a straight answer. I don't care what you or they think about U.S. cops -- I'm interested in what you think about ILX mods. Are we all dicks, 24/7?

Basically a poster with a load of people prepared to back him up slamming on a poster who doesn't have that backup = power disparity. It's the way power dynamics work in any group situation.

― Matt DC, Thursday, February 9, 2012 2:11 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but having mod powers is like having a conversation w/a cop, its a power disparity on a systematic level, the distinction seems obvious and non trivial from my pov, i wouldnt compare forks actions to police brutality tho it more like when a cop want to have jocular banter w/local teens and they have to tolerate it cause hes a cop

no you silly, of course not

find it so hard to banter with jjjusten and forks, it's always in the back of my mind that they are all-powerful lizard overlords

That's great to know. It's frustrating that I had to check. It's frustrating when posters toss "mods are dicks" out there without meaning it 100%, because it fertilizes the ground for other posters to believe it and repeat it, even if they've never had a bad moderator interaction on the site. xp

I haven't had a negative feeling about a mod in years, but then I have an authority fetish, so...

it's frustrating to deal with mods being dicks

wanted a little bit to change that i to a u

find it so hard to banter with jjjusten and forks, it's always in the back of my mind that they are all-powerful lizard overlords

― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, February 9, 2012 2:48 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

duuude dont be so dense, im obvs comparing forks controversial lame mod edits to a conversation w/a cop

Quack.

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wanted a little bit to change that i to a u

― stet, Thursday, February 9, 2012 2:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol stet

the first step is admitting you have a problem

moo

i'm densely suggesting that's not a very good comparison

mods are usually pretty cool people ime like I can't think of a better person to be a mod than wmc, really, but there is def a circling of wagons whenever something like this happens. it seems pretty obv that this whole thing shoulda been "yeah forks stop editing posts and threat titles, that's dumb, okay forks is gonna stop, okay lock thread". instead it became a clusterfuck cause of the circling the wagons thing.

i'm densely suggesting that's not a very good comparison

― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, February 9, 2012 2:57 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha no you were not, read yr own post, if the mods wil let you off yr leash

iatee otm.

can we revisit:

Basically a poster with a load of people prepared to back him up slamming on a poster who doesn't have that backup = power disparity. It's the way power dynamics work in any group situation.

― Matt DC, Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:11 AM (44 minutes ago)

so making a point that other people agree with is unfair? this is bonkers!

It's not necessarily unfair, but it reveals a power disparity.

if a lot of people are slamming on a mod and no one is backing up the mod then maybe........... the mod is wrong

instead it became a clusterfuck cause of the circling the wagons thing.

dude it took 6 hours for any mod that wasnt forks to post on this thread, hardly seems like circling the wagons.

also max maybe replace "a lot of people" with "the same 4 or so people that come out of the woodwork everytime we have a thread like this" and u may see the startling truth u seek

duuude dont be so dense, im obvs comparing forks controversial lame mod edits to a conversation w/a cop

srsly, i'm suggesting that's not a very good comparison.

i mean if its the same 4 or so people than whats the power disparity?

so making a point that other people agree with is unfair? this is bonkers!

I'm not talking about disagreement, I'm talking about aggressively ganging up.

I think the circling the wagons thing happened because no one actually thought Grady was particularly pissed off because, well, it was something so mindlessly trivial. I don't think anyone's been condoning what Forks did, it just... didn't seem to matter very much.

I mean mods aren't cops and the comparison is pretty facile, there isn't a systemic bias against people who complain because if a mod did seriously overstep boundaries and abuse their power it would be undone pretty damn quickly and in particular cases that mod would be stripped of their powers altogether (as had actually happened in the past).

srsly, i'm suggesting that's not a very good comparison.

― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, February 9, 2012 3:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

great point noted, ill added to the pile of other great points youve made in this thread

thks!

fwiw it always seems to be the same mods who ~come out of the woodwork~ on these threads too. like i never see Ned jump in on these discussions

(I mean mods are actually accountable to other mods)

not at all like cops nope

it cant be a serious situation because if it was a serious situation then something wouldve been done abt it why dont you see

feel like mods should probably just act quickly according to their guidelines regardless of how "trivial" they find a posters request

feel like a lot of this would go away if forks just said "hey i'll cool it with the comedy edits" so i'll just be holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

posters rool, mods drool

I don't think Ned has had mod powers in years! If he does, I don't think he's exercised them.

xp to mh: no argument there

wrt gr8080s point abt which mods weigh in: i think that prob some mods just dont really want to get involved in this stuff, i mean its not like its a great time for anyone really - before i was a mod i always would get bummed out that stuff wasnt more transparent so i kinda set that as a goal when i became a mod. its not always an awesome job, but i think its for the good of the board and so on and zzzzzzz

A lot of this would go away if mods just said were taking away forks mod powers so that he can now only inflict horrible jokes upon you in the way other users of ilxor.com can inflict horrible jokes upon each other

the thing I don't understand is why all gr80s most recent posts in this thread are kind of anti-mod when its the mods that are writing them

btw this is now on IMP because mod req is for 3 post threads like "hey please edit my poll" "sorry we cant" "oh ok", not whatever this is turning into

― Thu'um gang (jjjusten), Thursday, February 9, 2012 12:42 PM (2 hours ago)

whew avoided a catastrophe here btw

I don't really think we need to go much further down this rabbit hole of pointless antagonism given that pretty much we're all agreed that mods editing other people's posts isn't really cool and the rest of it is just turning into shrill noise at this stage.

did forks agree?

well if forks does it again will he be stripped of his powers, much the same way that repeat rule breakers are banned from