Luna

Er, you said we were "protecting the insane", but at that time we still thought she was a regular poster who was attacked by Chaki. There were some ILXors who knew more about this case, but they didn't post what they knew on ILX until after Chaki's comments. As for the mod edits, I assume they were because there was some sensitive info about third parties who don't necessarily want this whole case be laid out on a public message board.

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I think Ward Fowler's wishes should be respected here and it would be good if people could just leave this be.

Ah, right then.

Fuck you too, Fowler, you insufferable prick.

That said, I read this before the comments and understand the sensitivities involved, but I think it should be said that cuts DO involve an ILX regualr who was harmed greatly by Luna's actions, and I think omitting that only protects Luna. I also think there is a current situation happening that indicates that this board doesn't quite know what to do when the truly messed-up and bad do their thing online.

There should be a movie made about this. Jennifer Garner can play the fake version of Luna.

I also think there is a current situation happening that indicates that this board doesn't quite know what to do when the truly messed-up and bad do their thing online.

Since you think all the cards should be laid out, maybe you could explain what you mean by this?

I think the mod in question did exactly the right thing in editing the post the way he did, in that he left enough detail in there while removing the names, and I'm not sure why this would be seen as "protecting" anyone.

semi-curious how you know the "husband" isn't actually her, GD

Because, Tuomas, this person is still on the board and to name him is to summon him.

x-post: The detail that the injured party was one of us was cut, and I think that needs mentioning. The other details that were removed are, I suppose, understandable, but they also would have made it more clear that Luna's behavior was truly, deeply fucked-up and wrong.

Given that Words chat disappears very quickly, DJP otm.

Because, Tuomas, this person is still on the board and to name him is to summon him.

So you think Luna should not have been protected, but this other person should?

No. Your innocence game doesn't amuse in this case, Tuomas -- you can read the I Must Protest and Mod Request boards in the last week and figure it out. I don't want that particular destructive behavior on this thread, so I won't say the name.

I still have some Words with Friends chats on games on my phone that ended a few days ago so it's not like it's impossible or even that unlikely; I just wondered what the level of contact was because I would just assume anything coming from that direction would be more untrustworthy character work.

x-post - If you're referring to what I think you're referring to (and you must be because it's the only thing that's happened in the last week or so) I really don't see how that compares to this whole debacle in any way shape or form.

semi-curious how you know the "husband" isn't actually her, GD

Well who the fuck knows, it could be her, right? At 1st I thought it might be, but the way he was talking, the things he was telling me were just so completely different than anything I've ever gotten from her. Everything he said rang true, and painted her in a negative light. He gave me full names of friends (one of whom had legal issues that are googleable) which she had only ever identified by 1st name.

It is not the same thing. (xpost)

Still, though...

Not saying they are identical cases, just saying that there's a real ugly pattern of manipulative and destructive behavior there that goes really beyond the pale, beyond the sort of mere annoyance that gets banned around here, and it gets left alone.

Anyways, I would say about L, she seems to have a 1st class degree in plausibility.

xxxp: yeah that would be a total rabbit hole for me; I'd be wondering if it was really her husband or if she was trying to terminate contact for whatever reason by inventing a character to nuke the relationship, opening up with more true, verifiable details to scare you off

I mean, if the husband knows what she does to people online, why is he still around? (I guess the answer might be "for the occasional $50-$75K windfall")

I don't know if there's much that can be done about it though. Pointing it out just leads to getting demonized the way chaki did when he called luna out. xxp

He was certainly an authority on fictitious hot girls, I'll grant you that, but that's not really why he was demonised or thrown out.

Thrown out? I thought he boldly abandoned ILX! I believe a bed was involved...

Liars still have a consistency in tone, style, y'know? How quickly he was responding, his emotions and background details...it convinced me. I realize you may think I'm unreliable detective here, so without being able to show you all of the back n forth between us, don't know how to convince anyone here it really wasn't her. It was enough to convince me and I have plenty of reason to be skeptical.
Anyway, husband says he's now done with her, chats between me and her were proof she had been cheating on him with her HS boyfriend. (and I confirmed she'd also been at least fucking another member in said bf's shitty bar band). Yeah I think he was benefitting from the $$ too, and was in denial of the full scope of what she was doing (re: the swindling: "he needed someone to talk to, and she needed $, so they both got something out of it")

I think I can guess from the conversation since what the edit was, and am glad it's not there any more. I can think of one obvious name who hasn't come up (but maybe some of you were thinking of) that would have a real story to tell, but he hasn't posted here years.

And no, I would have thought spamming all the boards with personal insults about a Mod might have been the reason for Chaki's ban.

mods otm here. Not sure what other case of recent times TWU is referring to, and i read my IMP and MRQ before breakfast

Ditto, I have no idea what the current thing is.

I'm more talking through my own distrust/paranoia than trying to discredit your appraisal of the situation, GD.

I had been under the impression that Luna was Chaki.

I would have thought spamming all the boards with personal insults about a Mod might have been the reason for Chaki's ban.

I wasn't talking about Chaki's ban, I was referring to when he first made his allegations against Luna and people were calling him a liar and an asshole.

I'd be wondering if it was really her husband or if she was trying to terminate contact for whatever reason by inventing a character to nuke the relationship, opening up with more true, verifiable details to scare you off

It was out of the blue. We don't have much of a relationship other than online phone games and the occasional text, so all she'd need to do to terminate contact is like not contact me. I mean I was already scared off all those years back from any deeper relationship than what I just described.

chaki was an asshole and was very...obtuse when posting, so it was difficult to take anything he said seriously

Oddly enough, I run into Chaki all the time irl.

He also had a track record of being abusive and rude to female posters and did so a couple of times on that thread. So it's hardly surprising that some people didn't immediately believe him, especially if they hadn't been following the situation closely, and given that L was a very good liar.

Fair enough, but I think sometimes being nice/not causing drama gets valued over protecting scammers or other shady people.

You can do both, and you're more effective at the latter if you've done the former

Thing is I don't remember this really being brought to the mods attention in any direct way until it suddenly blew up, and then it became a non-issue because she disappeared from the board.

"ILX Haven"

Fair enough, but I think sometimes being nice/not causing drama gets valued over protecting scammers or other shady people.

If Chaki had laid out the facts of the case immediately, maybe people would've treated him differently, but IIRC he was calling Luna "fake" for several days before he actually bothered to explain what he meant by that. There were many of us who had no idea what this "fake" business was all about (at first I though he meant Luna had fake boobs), because it had never been discussed openly on ILX until after Chaki's messages. So to us, at first, it looked like a poster who was well-known to be a bit trollish was abusing another poster, not that he was trying to exposed an actual scammer.

maybe it was brought to mods attn, mods said 'ignore this' and locked the thread.

yeah i'm being a dick but srsly

ilx will be shocked to discover tuomas recalling this incorrectly

IIrc, the whole chaki thing exploded and she was gone w/in two days.

he did a fine job.

Interestingly, her email no longer works

ilx will be shocked to discover tuomas recalling this incorrectly

I searched the archives, and there were three days of Chaki's "fake" posts before he bothered to explain what he meant by it.

"at first I though he meant Luna had fake boobs"

smh

Tuomas largely OTM on this - there was a lot of "I'd love to explain but it would take time that I could spend being an asshole, so I'll just be mortally offended that people don't take me at my word - as if I, chaki, would be weirdly abusive to female posters for the lulz!"

idk andrew from your characterisations/recollections of other incidents this week, i'm not sure how strongly i'd rely on what you recall from however many years back tbh just sayin

iirc people had been joking(?) about "fake Tuomas" for a while before luna was called out on-board so Tuomas's stance makes sense to me

dude, what the fuck are you talking about?

Interestingly, her email no longer works

husband said he got access to 2 of her email accounts; I only knew of 1. He grilled her last night and she admitted to a lot of shit. I hope he holds to what he told me and leaves ASAP. Said all he cares about now is their son, and man, I hope he's not too scarred/damaged at this point.

btw omar I emailed you at the addr I had for you from like 6 yrs back or whatever.