Because, Tuomas, this person is still on the board and to name him is to summon him.
So you think Luna should not have been protected, but this other person should?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 18 October 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
No. Your innocence game doesn't amuse in this case, Tuomas -- you can read the I Must Protest and Mod Request boards in the last week and figure it out. I don't want that particular destructive behavior on this thread, so I won't say the name.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 18 October 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link
I still have some Words with Friends chats on games on my phone that ended a few days ago so it's not like it's impossible or even that unlikely; I just wondered what the level of contact was because I would just assume anything coming from that direction would be more untrustworthy character work.
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Thursday, 18 October 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
x-post - If you're referring to what I think you're referring to (and you must be because it's the only thing that's happened in the last week or so) I really don't see how that compares to this whole debacle in any way shape or form.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
semi-curious how you know the "husband" isn't actually her, GD
Well who the fuck knows, it could be her, right? At 1st I thought it might be, but the way he was talking, the things he was telling me were just so completely different than anything I've ever gotten from her. Everything he said rang true, and painted her in a negative light. He gave me full names of friends (one of whom had legal issues that are googleable) which she had only ever identified by 1st name.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
It is not the same thing. (xpost)
Still, though...
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 October 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
Not saying they are identical cases, just saying that there's a real ugly pattern of manipulative and destructive behavior there that goes really beyond the pale, beyond the sort of mere annoyance that gets banned around here, and it gets left alone.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 18 October 2012 13:58 (eleven years ago) link
Anyways, I would say about L, she seems to have a 1st class degree in plausibility.
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 October 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link
xxxp: yeah that would be a total rabbit hole for me; I'd be wondering if it was really her husband or if she was trying to terminate contact for whatever reason by inventing a character to nuke the relationship, opening up with more true, verifiable details to scare you off
I mean, if the husband knows what she does to people online, why is he still around? (I guess the answer might be "for the occasional $50-$75K windfall")
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know if there's much that can be done about it though. Pointing it out just leads to getting demonized the way chaki did when he called luna out. xxp
― controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
He was certainly an authority on fictitious hot girls, I'll grant you that, but that's not really why he was demonised or thrown out.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
Thrown out? I thought he boldly abandoned ILX! I believe a bed was involved...
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
Liars still have a consistency in tone, style, y'know? How quickly he was responding, his emotions and background details...it convinced me. I realize you may think I'm unreliable detective here, so without being able to show you all of the back n forth between us, don't know how to convince anyone here it really wasn't her. It was enough to convince me and I have plenty of reason to be skeptical. Anyway, husband says he's now done with her, chats between me and her were proof she had been cheating on him with her HS boyfriend. (and I confirmed she'd also been at least fucking another member in said bf's shitty bar band). Yeah I think he was benefitting from the $$ too, and was in denial of the full scope of what she was doing (re: the swindling: "he needed someone to talk to, and she needed $, so they both got something out of it")
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
I think I can guess from the conversation since what the edit was, and am glad it's not there any more. I can think of one obvious name who hasn't come up (but maybe some of you were thinking of) that would have a real story to tell, but he hasn't posted here years.
And no, I would have thought spamming all the boards with personal insults about a Mod might have been the reason for Chaki's ban.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
mods otm here. Not sure what other case of recent times TWU is referring to, and i read my IMP and MRQ before breakfast
― the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
Ditto, I have no idea what the current thing is.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
I'm more talking through my own distrust/paranoia than trying to discredit your appraisal of the situation, GD.
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
I had been under the impression that Luna was Chaki.
― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link
I would have thought spamming all the boards with personal insults about a Mod might have been the reason for Chaki's ban.
I wasn't talking about Chaki's ban, I was referring to when he first made his allegations against Luna and people were calling him a liar and an asshole.
― controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be wondering if it was really her husband or if she was trying to terminate contact for whatever reason by inventing a character to nuke the relationship, opening up with more true, verifiable details to scare you off
It was out of the blue. We don't have much of a relationship other than online phone games and the occasional text, so all she'd need to do to terminate contact is like not contact me. I mean I was already scared off all those years back from any deeper relationship than what I just described.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
chaki was an asshole and was very...obtuse when posting, so it was difficult to take anything he said seriously
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
Oddly enough, I run into Chaki all the time irl.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
He also had a track record of being abusive and rude to female posters and did so a couple of times on that thread. So it's hardly surprising that some people didn't immediately believe him, especially if they hadn't been following the situation closely, and given that L was a very good liar.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
Fair enough, but I think sometimes being nice/not causing drama gets valued over protecting scammers or other shady people.
― controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:18 (eleven years ago) link
You can do both, and you're more effective at the latter if you've done the former
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
Thing is I don't remember this really being brought to the mods attention in any direct way until it suddenly blew up, and then it became a non-issue because she disappeared from the board.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
"ILX Haven"
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
If Chaki had laid out the facts of the case immediately, maybe people would've treated him differently, but IIRC he was calling Luna "fake" for several days before he actually bothered to explain what he meant by that. There were many of us who had no idea what this "fake" business was all about (at first I though he meant Luna had fake boobs), because it had never been discussed openly on ILX until after Chaki's messages. So to us, at first, it looked like a poster who was well-known to be a bit trollish was abusing another poster, not that he was trying to exposed an actual scammer.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
maybe it was brought to mods attn, mods said 'ignore this' and locked the thread.
yeah i'm being a dick but srsly
― the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
ilx will be shocked to discover tuomas recalling this incorrectly
― balls, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
IIrc, the whole chaki thing exploded and she was gone w/in two days.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
he did a fine job.
― estela, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
Interestingly, her email no longer works
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
I searched the archives, and there were three days of Chaki's "fake" posts before he bothered to explain what he meant by it.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
"at first I though he meant Luna had fake boobs"
smh
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
Tuomas largely OTM on this - there was a lot of "I'd love to explain but it would take time that I could spend being an asshole, so I'll just be mortally offended that people don't take me at my word - as if I, chaki, would be weirdly abusive to female posters for the lulz!"
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
idk andrew from your characterisations/recollections of other incidents this week, i'm not sure how strongly i'd rely on what you recall from however many years back tbh just sayin
― the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
iirc people had been joking(?) about "fake Tuomas" for a while before luna was called out on-board so Tuomas's stance makes sense to me
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
dude, what the fuck are you talking about?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
husband said he got access to 2 of her email accounts; I only knew of 1. He grilled her last night and she admitted to a lot of shit. I hope he holds to what he told me and leaves ASAP. Said all he cares about now is their son, and man, I hope he's not too scarred/damaged at this point.
btw omar I emailed you at the addr I had for you from like 6 yrs back or whatever.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno, maybe he was dropping that because he wasn't a total dick and was hoping she'd explain herself
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
i'm talkin about your conclusion that mordy's to blame for twittergate, but tbf this isn't the thread for that, and seemingly there isn't to be a thread for it so i guess nuff said
― the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
or, you know, explaining how he determined the "fakeness" would have involved the sort of personal admissions people don't like making
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
― the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:09 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I assume he meant what had gone down between WCC and M which is why I said that drawing that comparison was ridiculous because COME ON.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
nah enbb perpetrator mentioned as 'he' unless hahaha oh dear no way
― the oft-posited third fisherman (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
I just noticed the information that got deleted from this thread + I don't know why it got deleted.
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
Right. I thought that he was M.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
that wasn't my first thought
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
oh then I have no idea what it could be
nevermind
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
OK, fuck it, so much for subtlety. I said he, you dopes, because I was trying to be subtle. WCC has been a destructive presence on this board for a decade or more, constantly threatening self-harm and harassing posters here and elsewhere for real and imagined slights, and that stuff goes unpunished because of -- what exactly? Wasn't saying it was the same case, was saying the mods are more vigililent with tiny little shit than able to actually do anything when it is actually important and the posters are both established and very destructive.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:55 (eleven years ago) link