I wonder if anyone's going to be able to help him out in this troubling time, what with the undoubted financial impact.
She's already blown through the 50-75k (car, rent, drinking and smoking with "friends" who were all to happy to sponge off the by proxy benefactor) and hasn't had a job in like 2 yrs so it is all on him financially.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
lol wcc otm http://twitter.com/KarenDTregaskin/status/258940411081535488
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:13 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
blocked!
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I wasn't sure if that was the joke or what.
― controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
how about i shame you for saying a bunch of rabblerousing bullshit abt how this mod edit is about protecting luna rather than having a sense of decorum about a delicate situation per request? or would that just ruin your roundabout way to bring up the goddamn wcc/mordy beef again
xposts
― I'M THE ONLY ON (jjjusten), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
ok, last post:
there are three types of "crazy" that I see invoked in life:1. "Oh, he's so CRAZY" meaning someone knows how to get down and party and is a character2. Mentally ill (crazy used derogatorily)3. Mentally ill and enables the illness by getting into certain social situations
I'm not so much for #1, can handle those people in limited doses because I'm not huge on "fun." #2 is never really OK. #3 is... yeah, go get right with yourself, you're making yourself ill.
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
insidious part of the luna thing was that there was no on-board drama that I really knew of, just using the board to fuel off-board badness
I trust the weird situations I can see
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
― controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:20 AM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
naw she basically said im glad theyre clusterfucking abt someone else for a change oh well im sure itll come around to me in a sec
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
which was otm
don't feed the lizard
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
Ah, let's play the synonym game, TWU.
ILX: the board that protects the insane and truly damaging and bans those who annoy the mods a little.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:52 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Obviously I understand the 'truly damaging' part, but what kind of social conscience doesn't want to protect the insane? I mean, what? Are we to be driven from our homes with flaming torches instead?
xposts to mh, yeah, that is actually a sensible iteration of it. Though of course in communities like this there is a certain amount of attraction/repulsion - sometimes coming to "your" online community can be helpful rather than harmful, other times... uh, no.
― emil.y, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
TWU you don't have to write the word to be engaging in that activity. And I'm not calling you out specifically or even referring specifically to this thread. And I'm not saying "let's forgive everybody for everything!" I'm saying: these incidents could more productively and compassionately be dealt with in a case-by-case basis instead of this simmering cesspool of resentment and whispering
― nice suit (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
ive been wondering recently what ilx could do to better help people who are going through difficult times, particularly those who seem like they might be a danger to themselves, like if some sort of official policy and/or relationship w/professional help would be a good idea
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
cause all the suicidal and quasi suicidal talk that goes on around here worries me, tho maybe people feel like having this outlet where they wont be instantly shunted into treatment or diagnosed or w/e is helpful, idk
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
^
― *triumphant sauce horns* (crüt), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
It's worrying but I think it can and has also been used in a really manipulative and destructive way on board which has gone unpunished which isn't really helpful either imo.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
I'm notably bitter on the "stop talking about how you're going to do it" point, but that's mostly because:a. we're not professionalsb. I was repeatedly assured that drunken "oh, I'm going to kill myself" threats were just dumb threats until I walked into my living room to see someone downing a bottle of pills years ago
idk, life
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
xp Maybe read through that sentence again, and see if a word jumps out at you as unhelpful?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
Nope, J, it is a not roundabout way of criticizing your (plural, but please do include yourself, J) moderation policies, which are ad hoc, emotion-laden, and pretty useless in a real crisis. Shaming is lame; I criticize in the naive hopes that y'all will get it one day.
emil.y: I hear you, but that "and" is not an "or", and I stand by it.
flamboyant: Kinda have nothing to say to that, as I am not sure it has any content -- but I don't see "crazy" and "destructive" as describing the same sets of human beings, and kinda resent any implication that I do.
lag -- good question! Dunno the answer.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
x-post - maybe fuck off
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know who you are but you've sort of been a giant asshole this whole week.
but yes if I were to right it again I'd have used "which has been ignored" rather than "unpunished".
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
ugh, write not right obv
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
I know mods dont want the edit brought up but luna is evil and i hope she rots in hell for what she did.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
"the modding is shit" is more lame than constructive criticism not couched in spite, imo
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
I am not going to make the call that anyone talking about suicide is being manipulative and needs to be "punished" unless I can physically see them sitting at their keyboard and while smiling and laughing.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
nice reading comprehension you dolt
― I'M THE ONLY ON (jjjusten), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
I am quite certain that I am now going to be called "crazy" and have all kinds of aspersions cast on my mental health for asking what should just be common consideration, but:
I find these kinds of clusterfucks and personal pile-ons incredibly triggering (of anxiety, of depression, of paranoia) and really rather damaging. It's odd to me, that people complain about my "crazyness" and then dive straight into exactly the behaviour I have asked them not to do, because it makes things worse, not better.
I am asking, as nicely as I can: can we please, for once, just not do this.
If you don't like me, can you please just leave me alone. These days, when I don't like someone, I try to avoid them. I certainly don't go following their twitter and looking through it, searching for things to ~get offended at~ and drag back to ILX in order to trigger another clusterfuck of pearl-clutching outrage.
Haven't you had enough? Aren't you bored of this yet? Because I really am. Enough is enough. ENBB, I'm especially sick of your concern trolling. I get it. I don't like you, you don't like me. But you can seemingly never resist the chance to put your oar in when I get mentioned, and turn it into the biggest clusterfuck you can, all the while, wearing this "no, really, I'm not trying to clusterfuck her, I just can't seem to resist talking about her, talking shit about her, at length, at every opportunity I get." While calling for me to be "punished" for the clusterfucks you are busy rousing up.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
i also just typed out pretty much a word for word version of what matt just said xpost
― I'M THE ONLY ON (jjjusten), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
just sayin
― suggest butt (Pillbox), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
^^^^sweet solo
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
"But you can seemingly never resist the chance to put your oar in when I get mentioned, and turn it into the biggest clusterfuck you can, all the while, wearing this "no, really, I'm not trying to clusterfuck her, I just can't seem to resist talking about her, talking shit about her, at length, at every opportunity I get." While calling for me to be "punished" for the clusterfucks you are busy rousing up."
This is complete and total bullshit and exactly the type of behavior you pull time and time again. I have talked about you on board exactly one other time. Mostly I just ignore you.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
wcc i dunno if you know what some of us just found out about luna but i promise you, you would be appalled and sickened. You know me well enough that i am not a reactionary, but im truly sickened and angry.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
I'm still not sure what I found out about Luna.
― sorcery is in the gutter (how's life), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
but yes if I were to write it again I'd have used "which has been ignored" rather than "unpunished".― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:33 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:33 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Which is a big alteration, so calm down yeah?
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
I, er, don't think WCC's talking about Luna at all, unless I missed something? I mean, the thread's pretty much moved on.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah AG, she's not.
I'm calm! AF has just been really antagonistic and unpleasant all week but he was right and I didn't mean what that word connotes.
― (✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry to be so oblique, but srsly, given the circumstances that spawned this thread revive, can i please appeal to a general sense of decency and ask people to not derail this into another bout of ilx infighting, myself included.
― I'M THE ONLY ON (jjjusten), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link
It's not been "ignored." It gets brought up by ENBB on every thread. Use your ctrl-f on the past 3 or 4 clusterfucks of this week. Search for my username, search for ENBB's. You tell me who's been ignoring this.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
ok andrew/enbb fair enough
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
then dive straight into exactly the behaviour I have asked them not to do, because it makes things worse, not better.
WCC, you ask people to not engage in certain types of behaviour around ILX, but people also ask you not to engage in certain types of behaviour around ILX -- on both ends it seems to have similar results? (down to: lots and lots of people will actually stop what you ask, some won't, and most will have no idea you've ever asked / sometimes you might go "oh yeah" to someone, sometimes you might go "fuck off" to someone else, [and presumably] often you'll never see a thread to notice someone asked.)
― set the controls for the arse of your mum (sic), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
Granny D, are they really living where she claimed they were?
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
just a lil bit of sociopathy, let's be cool
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
TWU, there are two kind of 'and' uses that are possible here. One is the conjunction within the sentence of two separate things, so 'the insane' and 'the truly damaging' are discrete (though possibly overlapping) entities. In this case you are pulling those of us with mental problems into the argument and saying we should be punished (or at least, not 'protected'). The other use is the one you are claiming now, which is 'the insane and the truly damaging' as one descriptive phrase. In that case, you are either pulling in mental problems as an intensifier, which is STILL REALLY INSULTING, or it is pointless to bring it up at all and your writing is redundant.
― emil.y, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, far as I know, M. She actually gave me her home address so I could mail her xmas cookies.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
why is it all beef on ilx this week has been so humourless if it's not going to end in the foreseeable future can some funny posters get involved in here at least
― flopson, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:36 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i say this totally w/o malice spite or w/e coming from a place of concern and as a question not a suggestion, and obvs it could be asked of a great many posters, but have you considered just not reading ilx
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
e: There are more possibilities than that, including the one I intended, but I don't want to explain myself to somebody hunting for gotchas.
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
I think TWU is (to be generous) using #3 from my list, but yeah, actually referencing mental health is kind of a bad look
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
xpost sorry jjj; aiming to be constructive, not feed metafighting, maybe thread's ready for a WmC-brand time-out
― set the controls for the arse of your mum (sic), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder if jaycee d. is still lurking, might have some good input
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 18 October 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link