http://cdn.theresurgence.com/files/2011/05/22/howtohonor.jpg
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 21:56 (ten years ago) link
http://www.tmocc.org/mediac/400_0/media/dac12ce26a63b748ffff812fffffd524.JPG
Honor or off 'er
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 22:45 (ten years ago) link
Honor indoors.
― taxi tomato or bag tomato (Trayce), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 23:17 (ten years ago) link
in grade school gym/phys ed we weirdly had to do like two weeks of square dancing every year. no idea why. but one of the tunes began by demanding that you 'honor your partner' and 'honor your corner', which meant bowing shallowly to the person of opposite gender on either side of you.
/claven
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
Use in square dancing, the dance where rules are barked at you, is probably the strongest argument one could make for the term's conservative foundations.
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
yeah, probably. but it was not presented in a gendered manner -- everyone was to honor the people on either side of them (and while it was supposed to be boy/girl, that went out the window if there was an imbalance)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:18 (ten years ago) link
want to congratulate darraghmac on officially being less chill than Mordy at this point in the ilx feud over privilege.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:02 (ten years ago) link
it's hard out there for a swm
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link
an irish swm
― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:04 (ten years ago) link
a swim
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
an irish swim
― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
to scotland
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:08 (ten years ago) link
at swm two birds
― buzza, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
at swm two
xp fuckin a
― 乒乓, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:10 (ten years ago) link
my sock keeps on disobeying me
it's irish
― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
pat finn 2 birds
― buzza, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
patt swm two gersh
― 乒乓, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:13 (ten years ago) link
i just read this whole thing and mordy never even named names wtf
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:25 (ten years ago) link
he is a ruthless tease
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link
i read the please temp-ban Mordy from the Thatcher Is Dead thread and all I got was this lousy http://www.ilxor.com/s.png
― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link
he named karen tregaskin. i think it's fair to assume he would include me amongst the sheeple. obviously he feels the perceived defection of dayo v acutely.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:31 (ten years ago) link
awsum film btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faq7vqzNJBI
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link
dont appresh this early-hours attack fwiw, seems not like fair play
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:35 (ten years ago) link
i didn't think it would seem like an attack! just wanted to let you know your tireless work against the forces that dismiss swms has not gone unnoticed.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:37 (ten years ago) link
idk about tireless it's 4am in swmland
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:37 (ten years ago) link
and the endless privtalk is p fuckin tiresome like even at midday or w/e
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link
haha i'm sorry. it wasn't a serious attack. i'm not at all chill so the last few times i've read ilx i've been like, "i really feel like i should address all these jabs darraghmac is throwing." i've given Mordy a lot of attention in the past, but I see you, darragh.
xp so tiresome! not at all like endlessly posting about how every time someone weighs in about racism or sexism they're being insufficiently smart/lowering the discourse/shouting over white men in anti-intellectual fashion
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:41 (ten years ago) link
tbf that's mordy's position!
i dont doubt the discourse is far above my head or anything i just wish there were busier movie threads or w/e to distract me at work
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:42 (ten years ago) link
i am trying to figure out why this stuff makes me so mad. it's not like i think the privilege paradigm is perfect. and when Mordy is posting about how people's investment in identity politics obscures class structure, i think he often has a point. but other times, you, darragh, and Mordy, seem to me to take a fundamentally ungenerous position in what you call the privtalk discussions, where because the conversation is structured around experience, you a priori don't get to seem "smart" and because seeming "smart" is the highest good, those conversations have no value. lol i know but it reminds me of grad school.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:45 (ten years ago) link
xp okay i'm obviously talking about Mordy and not you, then. that was a helpful clarification!
and ya the jabs are not undeserved (or rather im not trying to sneak under cover of mordy), in the language of the discussion i can of course recognise my privilege in being able to dismiss this stuff as ilx-only realted irk personally speaking cos im yr generic swm and i trust (and havent been disappointed) that my righteous ilx ppl will (at gentlest) handwave my grousing away.
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:46 (ten years ago) link
if i wanted to join the privilege train i do belong to an identity group that has experienced plenty of persecution/violence/discrimination/etc to draw from - i agree that i want to move the conversation away from an experience perspective but not bc i think that conversation puts me at a disadvantage. i just don't think it's particularly interesting.
― Mordy , Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link
at swm two birds was awes btw
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:49 (ten years ago) link
eh i think even when people are having the highminded discussions that meet with your approval, experience seeps in. it's just not marked/read as such.
xp
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:50 (ten years ago) link
but you're talking as though i dismiss all lowbrow conversations. i just have a problem w/ this particular tone of outrage.
― Mordy , Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:52 (ten years ago) link
i think what you read as tone is also just rage. which people feel. i can see why you think it's a problem; it can be. it can also be productive.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:53 (ten years ago) link
shouting over white men in anti-intellectual fashion
and -just in case we're being too reasonable with each other horseshoe :)- yeah, though i wouldnt agree that it's necessarily anti-intellectual, ilx has definitely imo embraced the first part of this with increasing enthusiasm and it def drives me closer to a 'well go wan an fuck yourselves so' attitude on a bad day- as it would anyone that met it on the site with any regularity, i think
yeah, boo-hoo go home swm, we're here to redress the problems of the world and your day in the sun is over- i get it!
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:54 (ten years ago) link
there should be a space between that :) and the -, it wasnt a soul patch or anything
ah, the privilege train
― mookieproof, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:55 (ten years ago) link
i know i'm in for it once i say this, but non-swms feel like that all the time-alienated by the very assumptions of a discussion which takes the experiences of a particular group as universal.
xp lol yes "privilege train" needs to be a song, maybe
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:57 (ten years ago) link
pronouncing "swms" in my head is hypnotic
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TwK3s2Eg87g/STuAMzEuq9I/AAAAAAAAA2w/0huPcxCf8Gk/s400/statler_waldorf_02_01.jpg
l-r dmac and mordy watching a privilege thread
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:58 (ten years ago) link
you don't need no ticket/you just get on the noize board
― @twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link
tbph i find it kinda offensive when i'm called white. i understand that my complexion is lighter and generally considered white (tho it's really olive) but also since 'whiteness' has a lot of do w/ genetic purity that jews have been historically excluded from, not to mention theological/social contexts of exclusion, it's pretty shitty to be told that don't understand what it means to have a particular group taken as universal. it's awesome btw living in the united states and i'm super grateful to live in a time + place where i can practice my religion + live in relative safety + prosperity, and i feel for ppl in the united states who don't yet have that. but that isn't true everywhere in the world, and it has only been true for a very short period of time here.
― Mordy , Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:01 (ten years ago) link
non-swms feel like that all the time-alienated by the very assumptions of a discussion which takes the experiences of a particular group as universal.
i prob don't even get to say that i get this, so i'll just say that i dont know that ilx has proven to be, over the years, a board where that universality of experience is assumed?
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:01 (ten years ago) link
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― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link
have you read walter benn michaels, Mordy? i think you would like walter benn michaels, if not.
i'm sorry. of course you do know what it's like to have a particular group's experiences that are not your own taken as universal. but i do think your own sense of what counts as an interesting conversation performs a similar exclusion. i find it hard to reconcile your sensitivity to minority experience in that post with some of your posts in the "privtalk" discussions/arguments.
xp ilx has sometimes been that kind of board. people don't know when they're doing it! and people who feel excluded don't always feel comfortable pointing it out/
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link