please temp-ban Mordy from the Thatcher Is Dead thread

Use in square dancing, the dance where rules are barked at you, is probably the strongest argument one could make for the term's conservative foundations.

yeah, probably. but it was not presented in a gendered manner -- everyone was to honor the people on either side of them (and while it was supposed to be boy/girl, that went out the window if there was an imbalance)

want to congratulate darraghmac on officially being less chill than Mordy at this point in the ilx feud over privilege.

it's hard out there for a swm

an irish swm

a swim

an irish swim

to scotland

at swm two birds

at swm two

xp fuckin a

my sock keeps on disobeying me

it's irish

pat finn 2 birds

patt swm two gersh

i just read this whole thing and mordy never even named names wtf

he is a ruthless tease

i read the please temp-ban Mordy from the Thatcher Is Dead thread and all I got was this lousy http://www.ilxor.com/s.png

he named karen tregaskin. i think it's fair to assume he would include me amongst the sheeple. obviously he feels the perceived defection of dayo v acutely.

awsum film btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faq7vqzNJBI

dont appresh this early-hours attack fwiw, seems not like fair play

i didn't think it would seem like an attack! just wanted to let you know your tireless work against the forces that dismiss swms has not gone unnoticed.

lol

idk about tireless it's 4am in swmland

and the endless privtalk is p fuckin tiresome like even at midday or w/e

haha i'm sorry. it wasn't a serious attack. i'm not at all chill so the last few times i've read ilx i've been like, "i really feel like i should address all these jabs darraghmac is throwing." i've given Mordy a lot of attention in the past, but I see you, darragh.

xp so tiresome! not at all like endlessly posting about how every time someone weighs in about racism or sexism they're being insufficiently smart/lowering the discourse/shouting over white men in anti-intellectual fashion

tbf that's mordy's position!

i dont doubt the discourse is far above my head or anything i just wish there were busier movie threads or w/e to distract me at work

i am trying to figure out why this stuff makes me so mad. it's not like i think the privilege paradigm is perfect. and when Mordy is posting about how people's investment in identity politics obscures class structure, i think he often has a point. but other times, you, darragh, and Mordy, seem to me to take a fundamentally ungenerous position in what you call the privtalk discussions, where because the conversation is structured around experience, you a priori don't get to seem "smart" and because seeming "smart" is the highest good, those conversations have no value. lol i know but it reminds me of grad school.

xp okay i'm obviously talking about Mordy and not you, then. that was a helpful clarification!

and ya the jabs are not undeserved (or rather im not trying to sneak under cover of mordy), in the language of the discussion i can of course recognise my privilege in being able to dismiss this stuff as ilx-only realted irk personally speaking cos im yr generic swm and i trust (and havent been disappointed) that my righteous ilx ppl will (at gentlest) handwave my grousing away.

if i wanted to join the privilege train i do belong to an identity group that has experienced plenty of persecution/violence/discrimination/etc to draw from - i agree that i want to move the conversation away from an experience perspective but not bc i think that conversation puts me at a disadvantage. i just don't think it's particularly interesting.

at swm two birds was awes btw

eh i think even when people are having the highminded discussions that meet with your approval, experience seeps in. it's just not marked/read as such.

xp

but you're talking as though i dismiss all lowbrow conversations. i just have a problem w/ this particular tone of outrage.

i think what you read as tone is also just rage. which people feel. i can see why you think it's a problem; it can be. it can also be productive.

shouting over white men in anti-intellectual fashion

and -just in case we're being too reasonable with each other horseshoe :)- yeah, though i wouldnt agree that it's necessarily anti-intellectual, ilx has definitely imo embraced the first part of this with increasing enthusiasm and it def drives me closer to a 'well go wan an fuck yourselves so' attitude on a bad day- as it would anyone that met it on the site with any regularity, i think

yeah, boo-hoo go home swm, we're here to redress the problems of the world and your day in the sun is over- i get it!

there should be a space between that :) and the -, it wasnt a soul patch or anything

ah, the privilege train

i know i'm in for it once i say this, but non-swms feel like that all the time-alienated by the very assumptions of a discussion which takes the experiences of a particular group as universal.

xp lol yes "privilege train" needs to be a song, maybe

pronouncing "swms" in my head is hypnotic

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TwK3s2Eg87g/STuAMzEuq9I/AAAAAAAAA2w/0huPcxCf8Gk/s400/statler_waldorf_02_01.jpg

l-r dmac and mordy watching a privilege thread

you don't need no ticket/you just get on the noize board

tbph i find it kinda offensive when i'm called white. i understand that my complexion is lighter and generally considered white (tho it's really olive) but also since 'whiteness' has a lot of do w/ genetic purity that jews have been historically excluded from, not to mention theological/social contexts of exclusion, it's pretty shitty to be told that don't understand what it means to have a particular group taken as universal. it's awesome btw living in the united states and i'm super grateful to live in a time + place where i can practice my religion + live in relative safety + prosperity, and i feel for ppl in the united states who don't yet have that. but that isn't true everywhere in the world, and it has only been true for a very short period of time here.

non-swms feel like that all the time-alienated by the very assumptions of a discussion which takes the experiences of a particular group as universal.

i prob don't even get to say that i get this, so i'll just say that i dont know that ilx has proven to be, over the years, a board where that universality of experience is assumed?

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have you read walter benn michaels, Mordy? i think you would like walter benn michaels, if not.

i'm sorry. of course you do know what it's like to have a particular group's experiences that are not your own taken as universal. but i do think your own sense of what counts as an interesting conversation performs a similar exclusion. i find it hard to reconcile your sensitivity to minority experience in that post with some of your posts in the "privtalk" discussions/arguments.

xp ilx has sometimes been that kind of board. people don't know when they're doing it! and people who feel excluded don't always feel comfortable pointing it out/

(i wasn't seriously throwing around single white male as an epithet; i was quoting darraghmac. i have posted on ilx for one million years; obvs i'm cool with single white men.)

lol single

:D

haaaaaaaaaaaaa um i meant straight. i guess. wtf @ me

i understand that ppl feel alienated. i don't believe that feeling gives ppl conversational authority. just like when someone disagrees w/ me on anti-semitism thread that something is anti-semitic, i try to argue logically/historically about why i think eg bibi paving a wall w/ blood might be anti-semitic. i don't tell them that they're privileged and can't understand what i'm saying bc of it. sensitivity to minority experience doesn't equal 'privtalk.'