Use in square dancing, the dance where rules are barked at you, is probably the strongest argument one could make for the term's conservative foundations.
― 6 Tuesdays on every Tuesday. This is called dumpy pants. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:01 (ten years ago) link
yeah, probably. but it was not presented in a gendered manner -- everyone was to honor the people on either side of them (and while it was supposed to be boy/girl, that went out the window if there was an imbalance)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 19 September 2013 00:18 (ten years ago) link
want to congratulate darraghmac on officially being less chill than Mordy at this point in the ilx feud over privilege.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:02 (ten years ago) link
it's hard out there for a swm
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link
an irish swm
― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:04 (ten years ago) link
a swim
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
an irish swim
― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
to scotland
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:08 (ten years ago) link
at swm two birds
― buzza, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
at swm two
xp fuckin a
― 乒乓, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:10 (ten years ago) link
my sock keeps on disobeying me
it's irish
― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
pat finn 2 birds
― buzza, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:12 (ten years ago) link
patt swm two gersh
― 乒乓, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:13 (ten years ago) link
i just read this whole thing and mordy never even named names wtf
― ^^ post obviously honoring and supporting Qualcomm (zachlyon), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:25 (ten years ago) link
he is a ruthless tease
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link
i read the please temp-ban Mordy from the Thatcher Is Dead thread and all I got was this lousy http://www.ilxor.com/s.png
― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:27 (ten years ago) link
he named karen tregaskin. i think it's fair to assume he would include me amongst the sheeple. obviously he feels the perceived defection of dayo v acutely.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:31 (ten years ago) link
awsum film btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faq7vqzNJBI
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:33 (ten years ago) link
dont appresh this early-hours attack fwiw, seems not like fair play
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:35 (ten years ago) link
i didn't think it would seem like an attack! just wanted to let you know your tireless work against the forces that dismiss swms has not gone unnoticed.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:37 (ten years ago) link
idk about tireless it's 4am in swmland
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:37 (ten years ago) link
and the endless privtalk is p fuckin tiresome like even at midday or w/e
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link
haha i'm sorry. it wasn't a serious attack. i'm not at all chill so the last few times i've read ilx i've been like, "i really feel like i should address all these jabs darraghmac is throwing." i've given Mordy a lot of attention in the past, but I see you, darragh.
xp so tiresome! not at all like endlessly posting about how every time someone weighs in about racism or sexism they're being insufficiently smart/lowering the discourse/shouting over white men in anti-intellectual fashion
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:41 (ten years ago) link
tbf that's mordy's position!
i dont doubt the discourse is far above my head or anything i just wish there were busier movie threads or w/e to distract me at work
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:42 (ten years ago) link
i am trying to figure out why this stuff makes me so mad. it's not like i think the privilege paradigm is perfect. and when Mordy is posting about how people's investment in identity politics obscures class structure, i think he often has a point. but other times, you, darragh, and Mordy, seem to me to take a fundamentally ungenerous position in what you call the privtalk discussions, where because the conversation is structured around experience, you a priori don't get to seem "smart" and because seeming "smart" is the highest good, those conversations have no value. lol i know but it reminds me of grad school.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:45 (ten years ago) link
xp okay i'm obviously talking about Mordy and not you, then. that was a helpful clarification!
and ya the jabs are not undeserved (or rather im not trying to sneak under cover of mordy), in the language of the discussion i can of course recognise my privilege in being able to dismiss this stuff as ilx-only realted irk personally speaking cos im yr generic swm and i trust (and havent been disappointed) that my righteous ilx ppl will (at gentlest) handwave my grousing away.
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:46 (ten years ago) link
if i wanted to join the privilege train i do belong to an identity group that has experienced plenty of persecution/violence/discrimination/etc to draw from - i agree that i want to move the conversation away from an experience perspective but not bc i think that conversation puts me at a disadvantage. i just don't think it's particularly interesting.
― Mordy , Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link
at swm two birds was awes btw
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:49 (ten years ago) link
eh i think even when people are having the highminded discussions that meet with your approval, experience seeps in. it's just not marked/read as such.
xp
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:50 (ten years ago) link
but you're talking as though i dismiss all lowbrow conversations. i just have a problem w/ this particular tone of outrage.
― Mordy , Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:52 (ten years ago) link
i think what you read as tone is also just rage. which people feel. i can see why you think it's a problem; it can be. it can also be productive.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:53 (ten years ago) link
shouting over white men in anti-intellectual fashion
and -just in case we're being too reasonable with each other horseshoe :)- yeah, though i wouldnt agree that it's necessarily anti-intellectual, ilx has definitely imo embraced the first part of this with increasing enthusiasm and it def drives me closer to a 'well go wan an fuck yourselves so' attitude on a bad day- as it would anyone that met it on the site with any regularity, i think
yeah, boo-hoo go home swm, we're here to redress the problems of the world and your day in the sun is over- i get it!
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:54 (ten years ago) link
there should be a space between that :) and the -, it wasnt a soul patch or anything
ah, the privilege train
― mookieproof, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:55 (ten years ago) link
i know i'm in for it once i say this, but non-swms feel like that all the time-alienated by the very assumptions of a discussion which takes the experiences of a particular group as universal.
xp lol yes "privilege train" needs to be a song, maybe
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:57 (ten years ago) link
pronouncing "swms" in my head is hypnotic
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TwK3s2Eg87g/STuAMzEuq9I/AAAAAAAAA2w/0huPcxCf8Gk/s400/statler_waldorf_02_01.jpg
l-r dmac and mordy watching a privilege thread
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 03:58 (ten years ago) link
you don't need no ticket/you just get on the noize board
― @twitizensforlemonlipbalm (schlump), Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:00 (ten years ago) link
tbph i find it kinda offensive when i'm called white. i understand that my complexion is lighter and generally considered white (tho it's really olive) but also since 'whiteness' has a lot of do w/ genetic purity that jews have been historically excluded from, not to mention theological/social contexts of exclusion, it's pretty shitty to be told that don't understand what it means to have a particular group taken as universal. it's awesome btw living in the united states and i'm super grateful to live in a time + place where i can practice my religion + live in relative safety + prosperity, and i feel for ppl in the united states who don't yet have that. but that isn't true everywhere in the world, and it has only been true for a very short period of time here.
― Mordy , Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:01 (ten years ago) link
non-swms feel like that all the time-alienated by the very assumptions of a discussion which takes the experiences of a particular group as universal.
i prob don't even get to say that i get this, so i'll just say that i dont know that ilx has proven to be, over the years, a board where that universality of experience is assumed?
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:01 (ten years ago) link
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― Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link
have you read walter benn michaels, Mordy? i think you would like walter benn michaels, if not.
i'm sorry. of course you do know what it's like to have a particular group's experiences that are not your own taken as universal. but i do think your own sense of what counts as an interesting conversation performs a similar exclusion. i find it hard to reconcile your sensitivity to minority experience in that post with some of your posts in the "privtalk" discussions/arguments.
xp ilx has sometimes been that kind of board. people don't know when they're doing it! and people who feel excluded don't always feel comfortable pointing it out/
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:06 (ten years ago) link
(i wasn't seriously throwing around single white male as an epithet; i was quoting darraghmac. i have posted on ilx for one million years; obvs i'm cool with single white men.)
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:08 (ten years ago) link
lol single
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:08 (ten years ago) link
:D
― quite racist, don't mind rap (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:09 (ten years ago) link
haaaaaaaaaaaaa um i meant straight. i guess. wtf @ me
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:09 (ten years ago) link
i understand that ppl feel alienated. i don't believe that feeling gives ppl conversational authority. just like when someone disagrees w/ me on anti-semitism thread that something is anti-semitic, i try to argue logically/historically about why i think eg bibi paving a wall w/ blood might be anti-semitic. i don't tell them that they're privileged and can't understand what i'm saying bc of it. sensitivity to minority experience doesn't equal 'privtalk.'
― Mordy , Thursday, 19 September 2013 04:09 (ten years ago) link