please temp-ban Mordy from the Thatcher Is Dead thread

you don't need no ticket/you just get on the noize board

tbph i find it kinda offensive when i'm called white. i understand that my complexion is lighter and generally considered white (tho it's really olive) but also since 'whiteness' has a lot of do w/ genetic purity that jews have been historically excluded from, not to mention theological/social contexts of exclusion, it's pretty shitty to be told that don't understand what it means to have a particular group taken as universal. it's awesome btw living in the united states and i'm super grateful to live in a time + place where i can practice my religion + live in relative safety + prosperity, and i feel for ppl in the united states who don't yet have that. but that isn't true everywhere in the world, and it has only been true for a very short period of time here.

non-swms feel like that all the time-alienated by the very assumptions of a discussion which takes the experiences of a particular group as universal.

i prob don't even get to say that i get this, so i'll just say that i dont know that ilx has proven to be, over the years, a board where that universality of experience is assumed?

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have you read walter benn michaels, Mordy? i think you would like walter benn michaels, if not.

i'm sorry. of course you do know what it's like to have a particular group's experiences that are not your own taken as universal. but i do think your own sense of what counts as an interesting conversation performs a similar exclusion. i find it hard to reconcile your sensitivity to minority experience in that post with some of your posts in the "privtalk" discussions/arguments.

xp ilx has sometimes been that kind of board. people don't know when they're doing it! and people who feel excluded don't always feel comfortable pointing it out/

(i wasn't seriously throwing around single white male as an epithet; i was quoting darraghmac. i have posted on ilx for one million years; obvs i'm cool with single white men.)

lol single

:D

haaaaaaaaaaaaa um i meant straight. i guess. wtf @ me

i understand that ppl feel alienated. i don't believe that feeling gives ppl conversational authority. just like when someone disagrees w/ me on anti-semitism thread that something is anti-semitic, i try to argue logically/historically about why i think eg bibi paving a wall w/ blood might be anti-semitic. i don't tell them that they're privileged and can't understand what i'm saying bc of it. sensitivity to minority experience doesn't equal 'privtalk.'

genuine lulz at 'single white men'

darragh why dont you just not read threads about privilege or w/e is annoying you and just stick to like 'breaking bad is a tv show i have thoughts about' threads

cos im only starting breaking bad and i cant go near the threads

and ilx besides those two subjects is vvvv quiet

it is a fair question, like

i dispute the characterization of "privtalk" in this thread by you and darragh, especially because i am one of the main offenders in your eyes if i understand correctly.

xxp

those are the threads that become clusterfucks when you post to them. i wish other threads got a hundred new posts whenever i posted something there, but ppl tend to be really passionate on those threads xp

you weren't on my repressed list of names fwiw

i just think it's...strange if you really like dayo, for example, to despair when he gets interested in race as a category of analysis instead of being like, hmm i know dayo to be a smart and interesting person. maybe i should take his interests seriously.

friends get into stuff all the time that i can't get on their wavelength with - not just re race. i could probably be more decent about it and live + let live but that's about tact/etiquette. i'm still going to regret the shift in emphasis privately

treeship is a single white male

i am one of the main offenders in your eyes if i understand correctly.

eh not in my eyes

and just ftr, as i've stated before i think, i love p much everyone on this site i just disagree with most/all of em about this stuff so no spillover on my part either way

okay. i enjoyed this conversation. i do think you (Mordy) would like walter benn michaels, and he's that rare English academic who's a gifted writer, as a bonus.

i feel uncharacteristically chill.

i think this has been a chill chat :) i'll check out wbm

horseshoe do you like my display name

ah xps, the heart of it!

i only despair at dayo, f'rinstance, when he uses me as an example of yr standard ignorant oppresoor privilege denier on a thread i've not posted on in weeks and then refuses to engage if i call him on it twice

but he's still one of my v favourite posters, no spillover as i said.

again, yes i can see that for me to be all 'hey man let's thrash it out and argue about this stuff no holds barred no hard feelings mannnn' is a position that i should more than likely step away from because ppl who are deep into this in a way i am not will naturally take it to heart in a way i won't. but eh like tbrr imo there's still ways to carry on on ilx and there's ways not to, unrelated to w/e is being discussed.

but other than that i don't see any issue at all with my disagreeing (completely) with posters that i like and admire on this or any other subject

o'ppresúr

why are you up so early, darragh?

tbh I think part of the problem is the sheer number of posters who are often trying to communicate a variety of experiences/nuanced opinions but then might all go 'wtf @ honor, Mordy' (for example) on one particular point. And then it seems like ILX is one singular hivemind where every post isn't just a random lol or jibe or single point but also implicitly seems to endorse whatever went before (to the person feeling got-at).

e.g. when Mordy requested that emil.y use the word 'patriarchy' in a certain way, that just tickled my sense of irony so I posted an offhand comment and then was accused of saying something utterly different. I know that happens a lot on ILX but I think volume of posts from different people who might have individual points to make just kind of get lost in a big amorphous blob of ~something about privilege~ and the thread of any particular argument is lost in what seems like a pile-on.

at swm two birds, lol

I don't want to get too deeply into this conversation but can I throw a conversational bomb into the mix about how "passing" is a two-way street, one direction involving people taking on a cultural identity based on their looks and the other involving how people assign default cultures to people based on their perceptions of them and that you don't have to actively participate in part A to benefit from or be hurt by part B, and then run away?

too late, you're in the tractor beam now

single white neanderthal

should we really consider neanderthals white tho lets break this down

Area Man's Intelligence Probably Just Too Intimidating For Most Women

that photo is tremendous

friends get into stuff all the time that i can't get on their wavelength with - not just re race. i could probably be more decent about it and live + let live but that's about tact/etiquette. i'm still going to regret the shift in emphasis privately

― Mordy , Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:15 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark

hey man it's not like i joined the klan or the church of scientology! reading that actually makes me feel a little... sad, that this is something you spend time genuinely regretting tbh.

Naenderthals are definitely white and I have cred on both fronts

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1191669!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/neanderthal25n-1-web.jpg

by science

surely saying "Neanderthals were white" is like saying "Homo sapiens are white"

hey man it's not like i joined the klan or the church of scientology! reading that actually makes me feel a little... sad, that this is something you spend time genuinely regretting tbh.

― 乒乓, Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

didn't mordy think contenderizer was the best poster on ilx like a year ago? i wouldn't sweat it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmb41PcarVY

oh god i forgot that vid

unfrozen swm

i appreciate your username v much, k3v

Words and language are powerful tools by which an individual can express ideas, whether abstract, actionable, or concrete. As a writer and editor, I know firsthand that language and the meanings we attach to words very much impact, influence, develop, and change the attitudes that we have toward the subjects of discussion. That is why people are easily insulted or upset by word choices. Changing a phrase — even if it holds the same literal meaning — alters the subtle connotations and nuances of the speech, and communicates a different meaning and context than the original phrasing.

feel like this indicates some of the areas that could be debated separately from arguments about privilege

https://twitter.com/nathanjurgenson/status/381124219498553344

my WBM book has arrived and i can already tell it's going to be great - it has a picture of sheeple on the cover!

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/features/2013-on-being-offended

Feel like you would appreciate this article Mordy

friend of mine posted that on fb and got destroyed for it

And judging from Google search results,...

http://media.giphy.com/media/6RoUMn34pqvcs/giphy.gif

it was ok, gets a little smarmy at the end, 'It also risks reducing audiences’ own interpretive possibilities' say it ain't so. probably bc he wanted to be controversial but didn't want to go to the logical conclusion which is internet bros love being offended bc in capitalism-ravaged 2013 america it is the only way we can feel alive.

internet bros love being offended bc in capitalism-ravaged 2013 america it is the only way we can feel alive.

new board description?