tru, why do we get so riled abt theory
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
would be a great book title.
― ryan, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
i'm sure theory is good as it exists in ryan's brain but irl any time it comes up it's super annoying; in twitter, activism, lolcollege or otherwise.
i don't consider bell hooks theory. maybe she has more academic writing but the two books i've read of hers ("ain't i a woman" and "margin to center") are very far from what i consider theory, just arguing really simple points (black women were written out of us women's history; white feminism reflects the preoccupations of the affluent white women who wrote it) in plain language with very few references to philosophy. hooks' framework (extended to include queer theory) seems like the one used by twitter sj ppl. i think it's a well-articulated + useful framework that i use all the time and changed the way i think about things
― flopson, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
Ok but that sort of historiography does come from the academy
― Mordy, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
not all culture work
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
im basically the "not all theorists" guy on this thread, huh.
― ryan, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link
xp mordy- i'm not saying they're un-academic (although both suffer from a lack of sources) they just don't qualitatively resemble what i think of as theory in any way
― flopson, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link
pathetically, i've never read hooks, but she seems more of a "public intellectual"--which definitely has a different sense in the US now than, say, France in the late 60s.
― ryan, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
I feel like activism could use a huge infusion of heteroglossia and deconstructionism- it's a bit too fixed in the way it speaks and thinks
― Mordy, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
Like the problem is really that it isn't critical theory enough
― Mordy, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link
that post epitomizes 'armchair' lol
successful activists of the past did just fine without critical theory, no?
― flopson, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
lenin was pretty sucesssful
― ryan, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
this convo's a little too meta. what's a goal of activists that could be better achieved or conceived through more heteroglossia and deconstructionism?
― flopson, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, February 27, 2015 2:50 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
please temp-ban Mordy from the please temp-ban Mordy from the Thatcher Is Dead thread
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link
They might be able to build better coalitions I think and move away from a lot of the eating their own tailness
― Mordy, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
do you need critical theory to come to that conclusion? lots of people who haven't say exactly that all the time
― flopson, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, February 27, 2015 2:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
thread
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, February 27, 2015 7:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol tell that to slate
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
The only thing beautiful is uselessness
― 龜, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
it might give a framework under which to open up the tent. All the dichotomies rigid ideologies and enemy lists just foment disunity.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
not true lots of things are beautiful like a pretty girl or a mountain xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
Mountains are useless
― 龜, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
The ocean is beautiful
― Mordy, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
My view is raze the academy. Destroy all language
― 龜, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
― 龜, Friday, February 27, 2015 2:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
um no
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
mountains trap atmospheric moisture as its passes by
― Aimless, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
it's interesting how the philosophical underpinning of a field can influence public perception. like economists seem like idiots because they're positivist so they make bold pronouncements that are completely wrong some time, while theorists seem like they're constantly evading attributing a fixed meaning to anything they write because they're poststructuralist or whatever
― flopson, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link
nagl "thread"ing yr own post lagoon
― Mordy, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
ok but like, are you gonna make a FOR HETEROGLOSSIA banner?
like, i've been trying to get people to re-read their Huey Newton for 10 years cause I thought their (at least on paper) confrontation of racism *and* capitalism *and* hetereo/sexism was just the kind of umbrella thinking that could be useful to bring people onto the same page but
who's gonna listen to hoos
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
wld like to point out i have been thread itt
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
i kinda hate how some ppl try to roll anti-capitalism into any discussion of anti-racism/feminism/etc. like obvs things ~interact~ and are not completely independent but your successor socialist utopia is still gonna be racist af if it just assumes that once we pull out the jenga piece of the profit motive all other oppressions will just fade away
― flopson, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link
the good thing about anti-capitalism is that [almost] everyone has a personal stake in it as a system. for the vast majority of ppl any given identity politics is not to have a personal stake for them, at best they can be allies.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
is not going* to have
IDK man anti-capitalism is like anti-whiteness by default because of who benefits the most from capitalism, glad to hear you are anti-white ppl Mordy =)
― 龜, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:14 (nine years ago) link
― flopson, Friday, February 27, 2015 8:10 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
~intersectional namaste~
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:14 (nine years ago) link
well i'm certainly not pro white ppl! fuck those guys imo.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
but the pt is that even among WHITEZ, the vast majority do not benefit from capitalism
it's funny how you start having a discussion about whatever and before you know you're having theoretical debates about the priority of capitalism. it's not so much that anyone needs but it's already there and at work.
― ryan, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
ppl are most smug about how capitalism is bad out of all the leftist twitter topics, like they have discovered a most beautiful secret, the thing they neglect to mention is that other things are bad too
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
xps ha left out the key word, "it's not that anyone needs theory..."
your successor socialist utopia is still gonna be racist af if it just assumes that once we pull out the jenga piece of the profit motive all other oppressions will just fade away― flopson, Friday, February 27, 2015 8:10 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is exactly why black liberation politics and particularly the anticapitalism of the panthers & APOC groups is so essential to any useful analysis i think
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
imo the left will never obtain self knowledge until it faces the fact that socialism is the most #actually form of government ever theorized
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link
also that cries for justice are often just another way of expressing an affront to ones sensibilities
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 February 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
'there is no such thing as society' after all
― Mordy , Tuesday, 17 September 2013 21:15 (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Thursday, 26 May 2016 23:46 (eight years ago) link
mordy's keyboard dusted for frog prints
― rust in pieces (darraghmac), Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:20 PM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It was pin on frog prince
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 28 September 2017 22:16 (seven years ago) link
pun, ffs
poster puns on 'prince'/'prints', posts 'pin'
― Frederik B, Thursday, 28 September 2017 22:31 (seven years ago) link
this is one of my fave thread titles
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 December 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
This revive is a gift.
― how's life, Friday, 22 December 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link