as in, i think he had the name tanuki for a bit
― I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Thursday, 19 March 2015 02:13 (nine years ago) link
Thursday, August 20, 2020 11:53 AM Site Boring, Maryland has been banned permanently. that's a big no to suicide "jokes"
uh, can Boring be given the calzino treatment and this be tempered into a 3 day temp ban -- if that is actually the mods intent, then cool. ... Also see original post in this thread for context ... it was an obvious "gallows humor" joke and wasn't even suggesting the poster in question kill himself
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:28 (four years ago) link
I didn't think it was that obvious, and was a beyond stupid "joke." board lawyering is unlikely to accomplish anything here besides waste people's time. I don't think the mod in question needs to justify the decision further at all.
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
i think things like this should be taken in the context of the poster's history here, as happened with calzino. also, i hate to bring this up, but one of the things people on the left are _really_ concerned about is apparent bias. people might get the idea that a centrist saying the same thing that boring did would be met with a more lenient response. since this isn't a hypothesis anybody particularly want to see tested, it's a hard belief to argue against, and we're all particularly sensitive to it in light of facebook equating antifa with qanon.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:47 (four years ago) link
Uh ... as opposed to the board lawyering done on calzino's behalf that actually did accomplish something? ... I understand the instinct to ban and the immediate action, but letting this stand just ... I'm sorry, but I think ILX is smarter and more thoughtful than that. ... At least I want to.
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:47 (four years ago) link
It would be different if that post was made on a thread about suicide or depression, or addressed to a poster who has openly posted about struggles with ideation and mental illness ... similar to the calzino stabbing thing -- it's bad precedent, though the initial mod impulse is understandable. I'm just requesting that this be a temp-ban or (ideally imo) a yellow card. Like, I'm not going "fuck mods" about this ...
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:51 (four years ago) link
Clearly the trick is to bring it up in the ADMIN LOG 2 thread.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link
might work better if the person bringing it up isn't the person that started the ADMIN LOG 2 thread
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
There's an admin log?
Anyway sarahell I agree with you, after what happened with calzino I think it would be beneficial to have some sort of post-mortem examination of the context of Boring's statement. Honestly I know very little about Boring or about their history with the board.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link
What was the joke? Who is Boring?
― treeship., Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
Ok found it. Idk what they intended. I’m happy with the idea of anyone who responds to posters with an urge to “kill themselves”—sadly common on the internet, should have no place here—but idk if this was that
― treeship., Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
Suicide. Wasn’t obviously a joke to me as a poster on that thread fwiw.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
Happy with the idea of *banning* anyone..
I was wondering about who Boring is as well.
― peace, man, Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
did you think that posters literally believed that whiney wanted to drown Zooey DesChanel and Katy Perry?
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
No
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link
I mean, whiney has killed lots of people. How could we have known he would draw the line at katy perry?
― treeship., Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link
I'm not changing it to a temp ban, sorry. Maybe another mod will feel differently. Even if it wasn't an actual suggestion to actually commit actual suicide, I'm through with "jeez I was just joking, don't you have a sense of humor?" defenses.
― Scampos Runamuck (WmC), Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
your irises like shimmering river water aren't gonna save you now, California Girl! Yeah, no one is gonna party with you anymore, Katy!!!
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link
ok but wmc, if it was an ABSTRACT point -- like camus' idea that the only serious philosophical question is that of suicide, which is especially relevant at a time when it's hard to know how to morally participate in society -- would THAT be ok?
― treeship., Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link
that's the thing. if it was specifically targeted toward another poster, a permanent ban makes sense. but if not, then idk.
remember, i was all on the side of the mods last time. i'm no insurrectionist.
― treeship., Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link
― Scampos Runamuck (WmC)
i'm repeating myself from the other thread, but i want to make it clear that i'm not defending boring's behavior, i don't think it's acceptable, and "only joking" is no defense. immediately banning boring was good moderation.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:49 (four years ago) link
I nominate sarahell and treeship to be mods
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:49 (four years ago) link
i nominate no thanks lol
― treeship., Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link
― treeship., Thursday, August 20, 2020 3:44 PM
are you fucking serious, jesus christ get away from me with your weirdness
Anyway, I'm totally ok if other mods decide to shorten the ban.
― Scampos Runamuck (WmC), Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link
i am serious. i think he might have been making a point like that -- like a resigned shrug, "we're stuck."
but also, it doesn't matter to me. so i'll get off the topic.
― treeship., Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link
Camus and I share a birthday, can I at least be a mod of ILAFL
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:30 (four years ago) link
also my co-revivor of the ILAFL board, nilmar honorata de silva also voiced his support for me receiving mod powers of said sub-board.
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:33 (four years ago) link
WmC otm, don’t know why people have decided this is their hill, but seriously log off, you and we will be better for it.
― beef stannin’ (gyac), Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:35 (four years ago) link
we must imagine Sisyphus to be happy
― sarahell, Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:39 (four years ago) link
I don't really know how sub-board moderation works so I don't know if I can make it happen for you, sarahell, but tbh I have no objections.
I'm totally ok if other mods decide to shorten the ban.
I posted in the Admin Log Watch thread but I'll post here too - I've checked out the context, and while I honestly couldn't tell if it was poorly-rendered gallows humour or a seriously aggressive post (it was a bad post either way), I'm in favour of this not being a permaban. Unless they're an old user in a new name, they don't have much history here and most of their posts are perfectly innocuous, so a temp ban seems preferable.
― emil.y, Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
You are now banned from ILX.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link
― beef stannin’ (gyac)
my hill to do what now?
tryin' not to do that, gyac. tryin' not to.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
Went and read the offensive post, and really, you all. It definitely lived up to their username.
― pplains, Thursday, 20 August 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link
the Boring part. perhaps not so much the Maryland part.
Kinda feel like opting for flippancy re: suicide at a time when emotional/mental well-being is at a general low ebb is playing with fire, whatever your intent. WmC made the right call.
― the secret of sucess is to know all rules ...and brake them (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 August 2020 22:39 (four years ago) link
kinda feel like opting for the use of the colloquialism "playing with fire" while there are literally huge fires raging through parts of the US and the air quality is garbage because of the smoke is also insensitive ...
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 02:07 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3iGZcQBkYs
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 02:21 (four years ago) link
basically I am in favor of being sensitive and empathetic to the variety of issues affecting other ilxors, but ILX should not have a zero-tolerance policy for gallows humor
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 02:47 (four years ago) link
Nor do I, nor does it.
― the secret of sucess is to know all rules ...and brake them (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 August 2020 02:55 (four years ago) link
(Incoherent; trying again)I agree, but it's kind of a moot point inasmuch as a zero-tolerance policy for gallows humor isn't a thing.
― the secret of sucess is to know all rules ...and brake them (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 August 2020 02:57 (four years ago) link
yeab but it's pretty easy to see how this place could go that way
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 03:03 (four years ago) link
short posting history warrants 3-day temp ban, end of story imo. private yellow card would be good for a regular?
on the other thread stet mentioned changing the admin log so it no longer says "permanently" for all bans, I think this is a good idea.
random thought: can't mods now edit objectionable posts to make the text hidden?
― sleeve, Friday, 21 August 2020 03:11 (four years ago) link
xpost No. No, it really isn't.
― the secret of sucess is to know all rules ...and brake them (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 August 2020 03:24 (four years ago) link
i've luckily never struggled with depression, but i have many friends and family members who have. ilx has documented at least one suicide attempt and plenty of suicidal ideation. there is a way to do gallows humor without crossing a line which should be pretty obvious to most intelligent people.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 21 August 2020 03:31 (four years ago) link
kinda feel like opting for the use of the colloquialism "playing with fire" while there are literally huge fires raging through parts of the US
FP'd you for racism
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 21 August 2020 04:12 (four years ago) link
― sleeve, Thursday, August 20, 2020 8:11 PM (yesterday)
very good random thought!
― sarahell, Friday, 21 August 2020 18:07 (four years ago) link
if you flag post on one thread and then flag the same poster for another post on a different thread, does that count as two flags or just one?
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Sunday, 31 January 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
it's just one flag per poster for each flaggable poster
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 31 January 2021 19:27 (three years ago) link
This was the weakest episode of The Dekalog imo
― Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 January 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link