can we ask about admin log here w/o getting threads locked?

NO SHIT.

Of course, "asking about" and "getting answers" are 2 different things.

It's very quiet in here.

why do you want it?

test

so we can see what and whom did what to what threads when things dissapear and shit goes down.

also we can see who is banned and not always have to ask "where chaki is he banned from the noise board."

chaki otm, this silent treatment re: admin log is sub-andrew at best

so we can see what and whom did what to what threads when things dissapear and shit goes down.
Why should users see this? "what" maybe, but why "whom"? I'm interested because I can't think of another forum with admin logs open to users.

If something's disappeared, the why is "because a mod deleted it" and the who is "a mod". Or is this a trust thing?

wow. thats kind of a dick answer. users should be able to see who deleted posts and why. ilx ran like this for years and it was a really great feature. why was it taken away? the posters obviously would like it back.

You're just saying the same thing again!
"Users should be able to see who deleted posts and why"
Why? (Beyond "ILX has always done it this way")

seriously dude, who are you to just come take over our board and take away features just because you want to? if you had a decent answer like "the software we run cannot possibly have an admin log" or whatever than fine.. but instead you ignore inquires, lock threads pertaining to admin logs, answer questions with other questions and give smart ass shitty answers like you just did.

xpost BECAUSE IF MY POST WAS DELETED WITH NO DISCUSSION I HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE WHO DID IT AND WHY.

OK, this is why nobody ever answers the queries about admin log!

In order:
who are you to just come take over our board
I'm the guy who it landed with by default because I got together some cash to try and buy hosting and then Andrew disappeared and I was left with a server on my kitchen table. It's not like I wanted the months of bullshit I went through with it.

take away features just because you want to
I didn't take it away -- it was never there. While we were moving the server, Keith started writing new code. It runs on a completely different system, and that includes the admin stuff. Everything here has to be specifically written into it -- nothing of old ILX was used. He hasn't written admin log in. I don't want to speak for him here, but I imagine that to persuade him to do it there's going to have to be a good reason why he should beyond "because". That's what I was asking for. I'm not taunting you about the lack of admin log, honestly.

xpost BECAUSE IF MY POST WAS DELETED WITH NO DISCUSSION I HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE WHO DID IT AND WHY.
What "right" is this? Sure you'd like it, but why do the mods -- and I'm not talking about me, because I try to never moderate beyond modreq stuff -- answer to you?

To explain "try to never moderate beyond modreq stuff" a bit more, when Andrew left we split up everything he used to do: Pash is now the top moderator, and he's in charge of all the people stuff, a code group was in charge of writing code, and I keep the server running and deal with sysadmin stuff. The code group went nowhere, but Keith turned up and started churning code out. He now runs that aspect.

k whatevs, dude. it's gone. fine. no biggy. next time something like this comes up i suggest you state why such as "i don't really think it's necessary" and lets discuss it rather than ignoreing the questions and locking the threads. it really comes off kind of cunty.

Yeh, I can see that, but I can also see why mods have been choosing to leave this Q well alone! I don't think there are actually any other ILX issues like it -- board-level admins was similar, but that's fixed now. I could imagine something similar if we brought in ads, I suppose.

not that we're going to, I hasten

Yeh, I can see that, but I can also see why mods have been choosing to leave this Q well alone!

Certainly, that's not quite the best way for an issue to resolve itself, is it?

well, it worked on the "robotic urls" complaints :)

yah the people wants the admin log give it to them

other features that have been far less agitated for have been implemented

the administrations responses have been strange and evasive - the answer is obv because mods dont really want to deal w/negative feedback

also its just a matter of understanding wahts going on like did my post get inadvertently swallowed or was it modddded away

a simple compromise would be to provide the noyce bord w/the powers what are our birthright

does stet realize hoe shady he looks by fighting this issue tooth and nail? what the fuck are you trying to hide?

As a sub-board admin, I would MUCH RATHER that an admin log was established so that I could act knowing that if others disagreed, they could voice an opinion over it. As it is, I've let a couple of fairly spammy things slide on IMM because I wasn't sure if I was over-reacting.

see like were i in charge id make the admin loggg

then if teh plebz got mad at me id vindictively mod the shit out of them and notate it as such on mod logg

see its best to flaunt yr power not hide behind it what fun is that

also id give nose bord powrz which are rightful theirs

Also, I think that locking/deleting the mod request threads was extrememly bad form, and led to a lot of the indignation some of us are feeling about this. Especially since we soulcn't see who was locking/deleting them because there isn't an admin log.

I think basically the issue is that up until pretty recently it's been rare that ppl have had issues with Pash et al.'s methods and so it's not a priority for Keith to build the feature in. Now that board admins can ban people it's probably worthwhile to reconsider the prioritization of the feature. Otherwise known as "hey look jw's a mod again"

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Is it still the case that sub-board admins can create site-wide bans, or has that changed?

You guys just aren't as good at this squeaky wheel business as some of our other posters, I guess is what it comes down to

No I'm only banned from Noise

also the mod log is fun to see really

its site wide map of retardation

tons lolz in there

does stet realize hoe shady he looks by fighting this issue tooth and nail? what the fuck are you trying to hide?
This is the first time I've spoken on it, mostly because it isn't in my gift to change it, and I didn't decide not to have it.

I've been in two minds about it mostly -- it's certainly useful to see what's been done, but I gotta say a lot of the clamoring for it to come back (especially the "I WANT TO SEE WHO DID X" is coming from peeps who seem to love generating "negative feedback", so I'm not sure why Keith or anybody would volunteer for more of that.

also a list of mods is that anywhere

and is jon the only nose mod cause he works better w/a nice counter weight fyi

purely for more banning/unbanning hijixs

I believe sleep is his other mod and perhaps laurel but afaict jon's the only one who logs in as his mod user almost ever

make me nose mod plz

and i luv crikt

Actually that brings up a good point, the admin log at least let you see who was actively moderating on what boards, right now most users don't have any idea (tbh most of them don't give a shit either) who the mods are for what.

I gotta say a lot of the clamoring for it to come back (especially the "I WANT TO SEE WHO DID X" is coming from peeps who seem to love generating "negative feedback", so I'm not sure why Keith or anybody would volunteer for more of that.

Who, exactly? Me? Chaki? Grady? Anyone else on this thread? Unless I'm missing something, I don't get this persecution complex. In fact, I've gone out of my way to make it clear that it isn't because of mod distrust.

xpost

yah i never fukd w/a mod

now make me nose mod

and i love crkt

from upthread: the answer is obv because mods dont really want to deal w/negative feedback
So it's not like I'm alone in suspecting that the one of the drivers is so that people can bitch about modding. I really don't understand what it is about beyond mod distrust.

If there was a log that only other admins could see, that just listed what was done, would that solve the issue? Because everything else, apart from maybe seeing who is a mod on a given board (which would be useful, I admit) seems like mod distrust.

I really don't understand what it is about beyond mod distrust.

well there have been a number of other reasons given in this here thread right here - and uh why dont you trust us to see yr actions

and just because i suspect the mods dont want to deal w/feedback doesnt mean thats the motivation for wanting mod log

Actually, most other boards I've been to do list the mods. "Classic Hog Games, moderated by Razorgasm". That sort of thing.

This isn't a government where everything has to be open and there are checks and balances. I certainly don't remember voting for any of the mods. What next? Private mod forums for you all to discuss issues in an executive session? I probably don't want to know the answer to that.

And for what it's worth, I'm satisfied with stet's answer (it would have to be created from scratch and we don't want to do that right now.) The elusiveness bothered me a little, but know what? I've got nothing invested in ILX except for some minor ramblings on Billy Joel's superior songwriting.

well there have been a number of other reasons given in this here thread right here - and uh why dont you trust us to see yr actions

It's not my actions, btw, but uh why don't you trust your mods to mod?

And it doesn't seem to be about what actions happen, it's about "who" did them, and I don't see any justification for that at all. I understand the sense it made in ye noise days of yore, but they're gone, and the way the code works means they aren't coming back. Mods aren't posters with extra fuck-about powers any more.

and just because i suspect the mods dont want to deal w/feedback doesnt mean thats the motivation for wanting mod log
No, fair enough, but it at least means you know that bringing it back will generate negative feedback, and I don't see why volunteering peeps would opt in for extra grief.

xpost: yeh, we probably really should have a modlist.

why don't you trust your mods to mod?

why should i trust them? are they inherently trustworthy? is there say some system where i could get info that would let me decide on their trust worthiness?

I understand the sense it made in ye noise days of yore

this is kinda funny as jon is teh mod. also points to the point above. while i dont really have problems w/jon like many do, he is clearly not trust worthy. btw nose of yore was verging on some alltime interents brilliance. recognize.

is there say some system where i could get info that would let me decide on their trust worthiness?
Why yes! Use the board, and see if mods run rampant. If something you do disappears and you think it shouldn't have, ask about it on modreq! It shouldn't be like the old days where nutso mods spaz out -- every mod has been appointed or approved by Pash and should be trustworthy. TBH, there's very little modding goes on, certainly a lot less than in old ILX.

this is kinda funny as jon is teh mod. also points to the point above. while i dont really have problems w/jon like many do, he is clearly not trust worthy. btw nose of yore was verging on some alltime interents brilliance. recognize.
Yeh, I do recognize, but there is no way to allow it to be like it was and also keep the rest of the site secure.

Wait, when have my actions as moderator breached any sort of trust? I could have injected HOSTILE JAVASCRIPT (on olde ilx) to steal cookies and do all kinds of shit.

xpost, stet's point is right but all the holes I exploited didn't require moderator access!

se the board, and see if mods run rampant.

cant tell not paying good attention

just make me nose crkt mod and i leave u alone promise

haha jon no stopz plz

And it doesn't seem to be about what actions happen, it's about "who" did them, and I don't see any justification for that at all.

not just who but WHEN AND WHY.

Why yes! Use the board, and see if mods run rampant. If something you do disappears and you think it shouldn't have, ask about it on modreq!

oh yes! moedreq! such a helpful a system with the constant locking of threads!

you want banned?

srsly what

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/2013000.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934A2752006EF5F0ED5A6A0341151D5FAA5A5397277B4DC33E

srsly wtf Tombot.

lol @ sub-andrew at best!

stet is kind of a dick

;_;

can i get a penis crying ascii in here or do i need to make it myself?

(stet's not a dick)

i meant in this thread

heavy is the head that wears the crown

We have the chance to turn the pages over
We can write what we want to write
We gotta make ends meet, before we get much older
We're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?

You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh-wo-wo-wo, oh-wo-wo-wo
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear
Oh-wo-wo-wo, oh-wo-wo-wo

This time, we know we all can stand together
With the power to be powerful
Believing we can make it better
We're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?

You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh-wo-wo-wo, oh-wo-wo-wo
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear
Oh-wo-wo-wo, oh-wo-wo-wo

ooooh We're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?

You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh-wo-wo-wo, oh-wo-wo-wo
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear
Oh-wo-wo-wo, oh-wo-wo-wo (X3)

We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear

When I saw song lyrics quoted I thought Passantino revive.

farnsey lyrics no less. how transcontinental

sigh

OK, I know the ITR is a joke and all, but it would be great to know who unbanned bo jackson overdrive so i could let them know that i wasn't kidding about the permaban. in fairness, it's a stupid fuckoff board, so I understand, but given the limitations of subboard mod powers, I'd prefer to just have my mod status revoked if this is not possible to save irritation.

THX, not trying to be a dick, srsly.

NVRMND, Bo + I + rocking out with our collective cocks out might be amusing.

\m/

classici eminem thread revive today from BJO

also i almost posted 'ban fake bo jackson overdrive' on contrarian couplets thread after he posted some (more) suicidal shit but i thought better of it

\m/

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, January 12, 2008 4:44 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^this shit just reminds me of a fucked up camel toe

is it supposed to be a smile?

maybe if you're a horse

http://www.obamaforuspresident.com/ads%20jpg/yeswecan2.jpg

^^this shit just reminds me of a fucked up camel toe

-- J0rdan S., Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:59 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

is it supposed to be a smile?

-- J0rdan S., Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:59 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

maybe if you're a horse

-- J0rdan S., Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:59 AM

what the shit

Dear Keith and Stet-

I honestly appreciate all the hard work but anonymous modding fucking sucks.

-- gr8080, Friday, 19 October 2007 04:18 (4 months ago) Bookmark Link

fucksake

Why should users see this? "what" maybe, but why "whom"? I'm interested because I can't think of another forum with admin logs open to users.

If something's disappeared, the why is "because a mod deleted it" and the who is "a mod". Or is this a trust thing?

-- stet, Thursday, June 7, 2007 7:26 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark Link

hey i just thought of an example for "why"!!

lets imagine a hypothetical board on ILX that no one has been using for a long time. now, lets further imagine that a small group of people, none of whom have mod powers and none of whom have used the board in the past, begin using that board as a place to keep threads and posts that are unwelcome on other parts of ILX.

ok, now imagine that threads on that board begin to get locked seemingly randomly and arbitrarily. posts started on that board asking why threads were locked are met with deletion. this is odd behavior, because some of the locked threads are pretty innocuous and dont call anyone out by name.

now, given that the mod on this hypothetical board--a mod who hasnt used the board in months and maybe years--is refusing to post answers to what would seem to be fairly legitimate questions posed by posters who are actually using the board, wouldn't it make sense for there to be an admin log?

"who will do killy" is fairly legitimate? I think that board's mod might be trying to say that those threads and posts are unwelcome there too, even if it's not used for anything else at present.

Oh that was gershy, sorry.

I don't think anyone's gonna do gershy.

Perhaps if we had an admin log we could actually see what they were saying instead of trying to divine what they might be "trying to say"?

(for the record I think the "no admin log" thing is really bogus)

you can't force people to type deletion reasons, hoos. You just get (...) or (because).

you could make it a condition of being a mod.

My thread was a list of "best trolls of 2007" (and a subsequent thread called "yo" that asked why it was locked, which got deleted). I get that no one likes the meta stuff but no one except fucking max r and bo jackson overdrive was "called out." I'm not usually butthurt about shit like this, and I get why something like "Who Will Do Killy" was deleted but its fucking snake-y to delete and lock mostly innocuous threads without saying why.

it was a condition of being a mod in the old days, I remember Andrew specifically satating it when he added the admin log. Nevertheless, a whole load of admin actions were taken with the stated reason (....) or in one person's case on ILM, (get a sock) (bitch, don't test) (fuck off cunt) and so on.

Max, just repost the damn thing on IRE.

lol

Pash it's about the principle of the thing! I don't actually care who the best troll of 2007 was.

Besides everyone knows it was max r

john justen r still makes me lol

what the hell is Ethan doing on Noize?

Word is guys that the mods of a certain ILX FORUM may be throwing their doors open to meta joys.

TEEEEEAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM

where did you even get 'TEEEEEAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM' from anyway? first thing that comes to mind is Lord Percy in that Blackadder II ep where Edmund becomes Lord Chief Executioner

Rev he is putting CAPS in they ASSES, what?

http://cap-n-yo-ass.com/images/logos/bc-cnya.jpg

where did you even get 'TEEEEEAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM' from anyway? first thing that comes to mind is Lord Percy in that Blackadder II ep where Edmund becomes Lord Chief Executioner

-- blueski, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 19:49 (24 minutes ago) Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbAVKINRsgg

And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJUDoVsyjAU&feature=related

I have a couple of questions:

1) Who deleted Tom's birthday thread on ITR?
2) Why was the thread deleted?

1)http://www.cluedofan.com/fan_art/gstings/moutarde.jpg
2)http://www.cluedofan.com/fan_art/ian_janosko/WeaponCardCandlestick.jpg

who banned louis?

-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:26 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
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check the admin log.

ba-ZING!

-- chicago kevin, Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:27 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
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