can you please disable suggest ban now?

this shit is just stupid now

now now now

seriously, at this point is there anyone who thinks that SBs should not wear off after a reasonable amount of time?

^ cosign

yeah it was explained to all and sundry that it would be a permaban, but that's hardly tuomas's fault.

I know there are challenges with making updates to the codebase. what I'm suggesting is that this "feature" isn't meeting our needs and should be disabled until somebody can get it working in a more reasonable manner.

all it would take to disable it would be to rename or move the confirmbanrequest.jsp. the suggest ban link would throw a 404 but at least we could stop talking about this bullshit for a while.

I think the SB system is fine, but mods should review each person who hits 51 on a case-by-case basis. Whoever gets SBed out obv needs some time off from ILX at least and has demonstrated that simply by virtue of the 51. But after some time, mods should decide if that person can return or not.

This has already more or less happened with deeznuts remaining banned but the mods turning a blind eye to lj's return. I agree with both of those decisions. I'm sure Tuomas, who I never SBed, can come back eventually, hopefully having learned a couple lessons, and I even feel the same way about Gabbneb, who I did SB. But I think the mods should use their discretion in these cases.

I wish all the folks getting misty eyed about tuomas would show up here and represent

how in the fuck did I turn into cap'n save-a-finn

taking up his finntle

I'd love to have him back, but let's not pretend little Tuomy got taken advantage of by those mean ol SB system. He knew how this worked same as anybody, and he knew the risks of endlessly reiterating his arguments in a place where annoyance can lead to a SB click.

by the mean ol SB system

who wants to be on a board where irritating but ultimately benign posters are going to get permanently banned? that is just some unamerican thought police shit and I can't believe I even have to explain this. fuck it, sb me and get it over with.

Is the implication here that tuomas is too tuomas to figure out how to get another gmail acct to create another login?

i'd imagine that tuomas won't want to. i hope not.

(i hope he does want to, to clarify).

the only people who need to be banned from ILX ever are actual trolls, not long-time users who don't cause any serious problems.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/howardbealegj5.jpg

dudes if they want to be back theyll be back its all lolz ok

I think that the deeznuts ban was just, but the tuomas and gabbneb bans not. LJ, he could weather 100 permabans and be grinning from ear-to-ear.

the only people who need to be banned from ILX ever are actual trolls, not long-time users who don't cause any serious problems.

OTM, totally.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think Tuomas has ever been yellow carded before let alone temp banned. Surely someone going from "long term poster with consistent history and no bans" to "suddenly permanently banned" is cause for reflection at the least.

Maybe a 3 strikes policy would work better?

(2 temps/warning, then perm? 50-75-100? I dunno)

Yeah, Crut1s otm

Relax, both of them can come back in a few weeks once the ip bans wear off.

Largely staying out of this but I'm 100 % with Edward III. Was never in favour of this gladiatorial bullshit to begin with but having seen it not only claim Tuomas but also lead to even more popularity-contest clusterfuckery than normal (q.v. x is higher than y talk in the mong thread) I along with nearly everyone else on ilx have tired of the whole charade and want it shitcanned with all speed.

If thats true whats the point of a permanent ban? xpost

aa is just trying to protect his own ass from shaqgate fallout

like someone said upthread, i don't think tuomas is a victim here - he has been tempting everyone who would even consider using an sb for months and he even joked about it in the thread today. i think everyone is in agreement that the first sb shouldn't be perma, but tuomas was baiting everyone and he fucked himself.

ahahahahaha shaqgate

xxxp There's no way you can really permanently ban a person from ILX. You can ban an account, but that doesn't prevent someone from registering a new one. You can ban an ip, but the nature of the internet means it wears off after about a month or so. Hence, you had LJ's return a few weeks after his SB, and you occasionally have mod-banned folks like Chaki return with a new account, only to get banned again.

FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT?

(lol, posting clip from Magnolia --> suggest ban)

I know I did. ;}

^^^that's a wink w/ twirly moustache btw

You can ban an ip, but the nature of the internet means it wears off after about a month or so.

Yes and no. If you post from work, then there's a mighty good chance that an IP ban is as permanent as they get. If you only post from home, then an IP ban is likely as transient as yanking the power on yr DSL modem.

You can ban an ip, but the nature of the internet means it wears off after about a month or so.

Thats not always true - some ppl like myself come from 2 diff IPs anyway (work and home) and work ones are more often than not static and wont ever change.

Doh xp with lib.

I'm pretty sure that suggest bans do not entail IP bans, in any case.

Note that the determined can play anonymous-proxy-jumping long enough to evade any IP ban.

Indeed.

i think ilx should be shut down for 24 hours on feb 26 2010

Considering tuomas's take on such matters, it's ironic that the most democratic feature of ILX is precisely what got him banned.

Aight, that was just the way I understood it. Thanks for the clarification.

I know people were making a lot of suggestions about adding buttons already but I seriously think there should be a "kudos" button that only has the effect of removing one SB.

plz don't SB me fr saying "kudos"

i support the ideas of suggest ban in theory, but am fairly ambivalent about how it has worked in practice

it has pretty much worked exactly as designed as far as i can tell, whether this was the intention of people who called for it in the first place is another matter

it's a bit neither here nor there for me as none of the people with high SB totals are anyone i have any particular problem with, and people i absolutely can't stand have barely any

would probably support temp bans instead but don't care enough to fight for it

it would probably disappoint me if it was removed entirely as those who don't feel comfortable calling people out publically lose their voice again. not everyone wants to get into a 300 post discussion about their reasons for disliking another poster.

i do think it should exist in some for def

I can't find it now, but I had previously suggested that suggest bans be changed to work thus:

50 total votes = 3 day ban
75 total votes = 6 day ban
90 total votes = 15 day ban
95 total votes = 1 month ban
98 total votes = 6 month ban
100 total votes = permaban

lol @ 6 month ban

I also like the idea of expiring sugban votes after a period of time.

Day 184: Soon, precious, soon...

love ppl assuming those who get sb'd are going to figure out exactly how the IP ban works and whip up some anonymous proxy routing to get around it when we're talking about tuomas, whose posts make me think "how did this guy even get onto the internet?"

sb = democracy is just about the most ludicrous thing I've read today. I'm gonna start voting people off my block who annoy me.

are you tuomas btw, srs question

There is no IP ban, Edward. If tuomas can figure out how to reg a new gmail acct., he's golden.

i think you're vastly overestimating how hard it is come back
the only hard part is to chill out when you do

Besides, his country is all on IPv6 now so IP bans don't work for them. (xp)

samout @ gmail is sadly taken

what's gmail?

^^^ ok missing tuomas a bit here now snif

i think you're vastly overestimating how hard it is come back
the only hard part is to chill out when you do

― velko, Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:58 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

http://soboamusica.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/experience.jpg

; )

maybe it wasn't really him ;)

Agreed with Edward, ditch this. Tuomas is as harmless as they come, any system that bans him is a broken one.

the system doesn't ban people, people ban people

who wants to be on a board where irritating but ultimately benign posters are going to get permanently banned? that is just some unamerican thought police shit and I can't believe I even have to explain this. fuck it, sb me and get it over with.

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:15 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Considering that this message board was started by someone from Britain and the second and third incarnations of the source code were written by people from Britain, complaining that it is unamerican is really fucking stupid.

Suggest ban is not getting turned off. You don't have to use it. You don't have to post here. Deal with it.