srsly ev if you want it i'd sell for $1000 to you
― shite new answers (cutty), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm 5-7, prolly 31" inseam (in bibs)
will assess my finances, but don't hold yr breath. dang tho
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm 30" inseam but my torso is the long part of my body. short legs.
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link
gotcha
gahhhhhhhhhhhh i really don't think i can afford this :(
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link
FINE
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link
me in the break on said bike:
http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs132.snc1/5654_1195071429613_1013273219_30611260_5287681_n.jpg
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link
lovin the gulf-inspired colourscheme of yr jersey - been a sucker for that ever since 'le mans' with steve mcqueen
― eau de humanity (haitch), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:49 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.jonathanadlerracing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lemansuq4-500x486.jpg
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:50 (fourteen years ago) link
woops u can delete that can't u
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link
my IP
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
ohhhhhh
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link
let us now analyze cuttybreak.jpg
#1) empire guy doing pull: @threshold despite just taking the first few rpms of a pull, sucking massive wind, full lactic acid cramping imminent, creative brifter grip imo#2) our sweet prince cuttye: smiling, perfect posture, riding the rivet, tucked in the slipstream, slight echelon to the right, white shoes/gloves, epic#3) empire guy no2: vision blurred/tunnel vision, having focus problems, looks like he'd take the sprint tho if he could keep his eye on the road ahead, thought he was checking out his computer but i don't see one on the bike, could be a weight weenie despite being a heifer (says the heifer).#4) took a pull, looking back at the chase, probably not smiling like our sweet prince cuttye.
― ┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 05:30 (fourteen years ago) link
lolllll
― eau de humanity (haitch), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 05:43 (fourteen years ago) link
re #3: karl did take the sprint
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link
what % of guys wear shoe covers in a rr? cuz i think he deserves to blow up for that. "u saving .4 of a watt-- u stay on the front bitch!"
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link
i have done central park races that averages 27.4mph over 2 hours--pretty fricken fast. shoe covers are used by quite a few guys who are serious about their wattage in the wind
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
yah, the reason i asked % is that i think the current ubiquity of power meters/figures has changed ppls awareness of issues like shoe covers. i think 10 years ago, youd get clowned here. but ive not raced in so long, ppl probably are doing it here too.
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link
So the weather is good the sun is shining and I'm thinking about longer faster rides and this brings me to thinking about a new road bike to do them on, something light and shiny to get me excited about tackling the rollers outside of town.
I want to spend $1500-$2000 and want toss out all my pre-concieved notions. There's so much out there, especially in that price range. Give me some ideas.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 18 March 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
you want a pre-spec'd complete bike or want to build one?
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 18 March 2010 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Could go either way, a second hand frame or complete bike that would take a bit of work to get ready would be fine as well. That said a complete bike gets me going faster.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 18 March 2010 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
aluminum or carbon?
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 18 March 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know, I've never ridden carbon. I worry about long term durability of carbon, especially given the terrible quality of the roads round here. I don't want to hit a pothole, spill and have to junk the frame. Steel and Ti are not out of the question either. I guess I need a hit-list of things to try.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 18 March 2010 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I worry about long term durability of carbon, especially given the terrible quality of the roads round here. I don't want to hit a pothole, spill and have to junk the frame. Steel and Ti are not out of the question either. I guess I need a hit-list of things to try.― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:05 AM (49 minutes ago)
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:05 AM (49 minutes ago)
sounds like me pre-carbon bike. Ed, you and I are similarly built ja? I was in the market for an aluminum frame and the shop that I ended up purchasing from has a semi-pro team and showed me 2 versions of the frame I was interested in made by a major manufacturer (*cough*cervelo*cough*) and showed me 2 frames that had been raced on (ie, not trained on, just raced): the first had major fatigue in the BB and then second had a significant fail (shorn off where the Front Derailleur clamps on to the seattube!)... and these were ridden by little guys (130-150#ers who I'm sure are wattage-monsters but still!). I eliminated aluminum from my list after that.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 18 March 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
basically the way the shop owner put it to me is that aluminum frames are awesome if you're sponsored and can afford to race on them and retire them when the season is over, but if you are looking for long-term durability: carbon/steel/Ti.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 18 March 2010 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
another thing: all carbon frames are made different. some are butted/jointed/lugged, some are monocoque, some are experimental (I saw a dude riding one of those "webbed" looking frames that are transparent and look like they'd shatter over a bump but are supposedly just as strong as most carbon frames).
also, all carbon is different. there is the stuff made in Taiwan, and then there is the USA-military grade stuff that cannot be exported that Cannondale uses on their super high end which is supposedly best in class. ymmv.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 18 March 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link
ti is really real
― neurological bandwidth doctor (Hunt3r), Thursday, 18 March 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Al work hardening does concern me as well.
i guess it comes down to:
Lower end Trek, Focus, Cannondale, Look, Felt etc. in Carbon
That Motebcane Titanium bike that Bikes Direct do and I remain slightly suspicious of (what precisely is wrong with a $2000 Ultegra Ti Bike?)
Picking up at 10-20yr old high end steel or Ti frame on ebay and building it out.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 18 March 2010 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Titanium + Ultegra - x = $2000
What is x?
x = life expectancy of the child slaves welding the framex = weld quality x= alloy
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 18 March 2010 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link
What's wrong with steel?
― Mark C, Friday, 19 March 2010 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link
imo steel has many pros but the main con is the weight compared to the weight of the other materials. wouldn't make much of a difference with me, but for a spindly mantis-like fellow it may.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 19 March 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
what kind of fellow are you? ;)
― shite new answers (cutty), Friday, 19 March 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link
;_;
― fat mantis (Hunt3r), Friday, 19 March 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
― shite new answers (cutty), Friday, 19 March 2010 11:28 (fourteen years ago) link
― drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Friday, 19 March 2010 13:11 (fourteen years ago) link
It think that should be the name of ILX's Sportive Club.
Ti seems to be cheap this year because of Market forces. So now I have a Ti hitlist:
Motobecane LeChampion Ti with FSA/Ultegra Mix, $1699Motobecane LeChampion Ti with Ultegra, $2000
People seem to like it, a little more compliant than Carbon, semi compact geometry
Planet-X Pro Sport Ti Frame and Fork only, $1179Veloce Build Kit, $999Rival Build Kit, $1099105 Build Kit, $1150
This is a Lynskey build frame, compact geometry, looks more trick than the Motobecane, etched decals
Habanero Classic Road, Frame Only $895Habanero Classic Road, 105 $2223Habanero Classic Road, Rival $2273
US made frame, not butted tubes, again seems to be liked, classic geometry.
Next up, carbon and steel
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 19 March 2010 14:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Carbon List
Planet X PRo CArbon RoadSpecialized RoubaixTrek Madone 4.5Focus CayoFelt F5Felt Z5Scattante CFRRaleigh CompetitionFezzari Foré CR2Motobecane Immortal Spirit
I like the idea of having a Raleigh as my first ever road bike was a Raleigh. I'm sure there is more that I could dig up. It's incredible the range of equipment standard on a c. $2000 carbon bike.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 19 March 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
i like specialized or felt
― shite new answers (cutty), Saturday, 20 March 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link
This BMC is looking pretty sweet:
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/frame/2009-bmc-road-racer-sl-01-sram-rival-complete-bike-6950.html
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 20 March 2010 04:28 (fourteen years ago) link
That was almost the same exact kind of deal that was tempting me last year (08 cervelo S1 with 09 Ultegra SL) but again it came down to frame material (ie, Aluminum). That said, $1700 is a kick-ass deal.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 20 March 2010 04:46 (fourteen years ago) link
the look 566 w/ rival on comp cyclist looks a great deal too - although that's $2700, so it's a fair jump up in ca$h unfortunately.
― brifter runoff (haitch), Saturday, 20 March 2010 05:30 (fourteen years ago) link
that BMC looks siiiick
― drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Saturday, 20 March 2010 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link
So I've been watching Milan San Remo and researching bikes and using ILX as my notebook.I think top of my hitlist is either of the BMCs or the Felt, based on pure gut feeling and looks. The only thing stopping me from dropping $1700 on the SL01 right away is the fact I discounted Aluminium at the start of this process. There are at least BMC and felt dealers in town so I can go and try an approximation to both of these.
unfortunately BMC dealer is not open on sundays and i have committed to go biking and bike mechanicking this afternoon. Open late on Monday though. should probably try the trek and specialized as well.
BMC SL01 Rivalhttp://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/frame/2009-bmc-road-racer-sl-01-sram-rival-complete-bike-6950.html
Pros: looks very trick, orange is me, not full carbon, under budgetCons: not full carbon
BMC SLT01http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/frame/2009-bmc-team-machine-slt-01-sram-force-complete-bike-6949.html
Pros: More Carbon, force gruppo, top tube more horizontal cons: busting the budget, cutty will disapprove of replica BMC team colours
Scott CR1 Team 105https://www.racycles.com/product.aspx?catid=2,445,909&pid=3725
Pros: full carbonCons: a bit boring looking
Felt F5 105https://www.racycles.com/product.aspx?catid=2,441,619
Pros: Full Carbon Horizontal Top Tube, looks good, no temptation to jump up a model (too much green or garmin argyle), can try the F4 in pittsburgh which should be good for the frame sizingCons: can't find any
Specialized Roubaix Elite 105http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=39265&menuItemId=0
Pros: can actually try this in pittsburghCons: busting the Budget
Eddy Merckx EMX-1https://www.racycles.com/product.aspx?catid=2,432,608&pid=3708
Pros: natural step form my alu teamCons: Really busting the budget, the look haitch posted is a way better deal, Merckx paint jobs aren't a fun as they used to be
Trek Madone 4.5 105
Pros: Can try this in pittsburgh, friend of a friend works in the trek storeCons: Irrational Dislike of Trek
Planet-X Pro Carbon SL lots of gruppo options
Pros: cheaper frame, better gruppo, force under budget, only thing I found with campy, 2 year warranty on the frame, planet-x/On-one seem to have a good rep back homecons: don't do chorus or athena, only veloce or record, record busts the budget
Planet-X Pro Ti Road Veloce, or RivalPros: frame looks trick, has a good pedigreeCons: not actually in stock
Focus Cayo Team ultegrahttp://www.bikebling.com/Focus-Cayo-Team-Replica-Complete-Bike-p/focus-cayo-teamreplica-2009.htm
Pros: Trad geometry, UltegraCons: Milram colours
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 20 March 2010 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link
using ILX as my notebook
^^^ this is dope. v. interesting.
― caek, Saturday, 20 March 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
CR1s are really popular down here, though more in the old version - that new one you posted has more relaxed geometry apparently.
― brifter runoff (haitch), Saturday, 20 March 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
makes me want new bike, stoked 4 u ed!
― fat mantis (Hunt3r), Saturday, 20 March 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link
only get SRAM imo
― drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Saturday, 20 March 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
SRAM does seem to be the way to go. I just have a soft spot for campy even if there is no earthly reason to choose it.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 20 March 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
OK, so the difference between the two BMCs on Competitive Cyclist is 500g more or less. Thats something I can loose if I stop eating breakfast for a week or don't hydrate properly. I could weight weenie that out over time if it really mattered to me. What difference am I going to feel between Aluminium (with carbon seat stays) and carbon? Bear in mind that I am used to the comfortable squish of the surly steel and don't have a good mental picture of the ride on my merckx, it's been too long.
Also, compact vs trad geometry, this is irrelevant and all about the best fit, right? I have an a prejudice against compact based on being a big fellow and not wanting too much seat tube exposed, any views in this?
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 20 March 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
sram vs. campy vs. shimano is a very complicated endeavo(u)r that comes down to a variety of variables. well, campy is easy to eliminate because of price. but w/r/t shimano vs. sram: it's all a matter of feel and comfort and taste in shifting styles. i know cutty prefers sram because he can shift in the sprint easier (although i can shift in a sprint, i think this might be more of a brifter positioning/bar choice?) and he also prefers the anatomics of the sram hood to the shimano.
i feel shimano's shifting mechanics are more intuitive than sram which was the top priority for me.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 21 March 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I loathe shimano shifting! the brake lever moves when u shift! gross!
― drink more beer and the doctor is a heghog (gbx), Sunday, 21 March 2010 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link