training on a heavier bike is not going to do anything for your fitness. you'll just go slower on that bike as opposed to the same effort on the lighter bike. your perceived exertion will be the same, so there really is no feeling "the benefit of being on a lighter bike."
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Damn. Too much negativity here, another potential stroke of genius bites the dust.
― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link
you think you outsmarted the pros?
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean if you really want to train how about stop thinking of creative ways to ride your bike and follow the science of it?
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
What about training in clogs? In a wetsuit? On a tricycle? In a lake?
― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
periodization with structured intervals is how you get fit and fast
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I hear what you're saying, but I'm going to give this a go before retreating to the tried and tested traditional routes to success:http://content6.clipmarks.com/clog_clip_cache/amplify.com/5773CE7B-BFC2-46E0-B565-0BA4CBCE8E7D/40843D27-B0EE-49EF-BD66-41E89E54D911
― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
goin ham
― put your glans up for Detroit (haitch), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah we know how they get it done- speed, blow, epo, transfusions, gene doping.
periodization. lolz
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 March 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link
i was gonna offer him EPO. they certainly don't ride around on heavy bikes.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2009/11/drugs-a-cautionary-tale/
migraine-y effects of EPO = do not want, but human growth hormone sounds fantastic!
― put your glans up for Detroit (haitch), Thursday, 11 March 2010 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link
training on a heavier bike is not going to do anything for your fitness. you'll just go slower on that bike as opposed to the same effort on the lighter bike. your perceived exertion will be the same, so there really is no feeling "the benefit of being on a lighter bike."― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:21 PM (4 hours ago)
― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:21 PM (4 hours ago)
from a physics pov, i'm not entirely convinced my sweet prince cutty... heavier (esp on hills) = more resistance. it's the same as losing body weight which makes climbing easier. not sure about flats, but certainly on climbs training under greater resistance/stress would be more difficult than without.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 11 March 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link
(this is why i squeeze my brakes the entire way up climbs fwiw) :-P
it doesn't make climbing EASIER man. it just makes you go faster. you are missing that.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 10:46 (fourteen years ago) link
oh, also you are wrong
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 10:49 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.roadbikerider.com/389.htm#COACH
Will I Benefit from Riding a Heavier Bike?
Q: Would adding weight to my bike for training help my average speed and power? I'm thinking about buying cheap, heavy wheels and tires and loading a rack trunk with weights. -- Tim T.
Coach Fred Matheny Replies: Adding weight for training purposes has been tried a number of times over the years.
I recall when the U.S. Road Team used lead-filled water bottles for hill workouts. A company once marketed a heavy product designed to attach under a bike's bottom bracket.
However, there's no good reason to artificially add weight to your bike. Here's why:
Improvement comes from training at your optimum intensity, not from riding a heavier bike. You need to generate a certain number of watts to get up a hill with a steady effort no matter what the bike weighs.
Take some weight off the bike, though, and you will go a bit faster -- if you produce the same number of watts.
Of course, there's no need to always ride a light bike when a heavier one would be better for the conditions. Ed and I both ride heavy bikes in winter. They have steel frames, fenders, racks and large bags for toting tools, extra tubes, rainwear and warm clothes. Add a couple of full bottles and Ed's bike, for example, weighs 34 pounds (15.5 kg). He just rode this ol' beater a couple of thousand hilly miles (3,200 km) through the off-season.
Does switching to light bikes in the spring make us feel faster? You bet. And we'll actually be faster because, for a given amount of power, we can ride uphill and accelerate better when we're not pushing as much weight.
The bottom line for training purposes, though, is that we're still riding at the same intensity when we go hard, regardless of the bike we're on.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 10:51 (fourteen years ago) link
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 10:52 (fourteen years ago) link
It doesn't get any easier, you just get faster - Greg Lemond
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 10:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess if you're riding with a group at the same speed as everyone else though, a heavier bike would give you a better workout.
― We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:09 (fourteen years ago) link
if you have to move a greater mass against gravity for a longer period of time ur doing more work
if ur doing all hill work, and you quantify your workouts by mileage volume, not time, i think in theory u gain strength endurance by virtue of longer workouts on each hill.
this is why jan ulrich always trained as a fat man before juicing up for gt season.
also, this will not work for blighted flatlanders because your fat will not slow you down much. and dont train by mileage.
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 March 2010 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Cutty's theory only matters if you're training optimally. If riding a heavier bike is going to give you more of a workout - and, in terms of energy required to get from A to B, it will - or if a heavier bike is going to approximate a steeper/longer hill or whatever, then it will certainly help.
― Mark C, Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:03 (fourteen years ago) link
afaik NBS wants to race, therefore he should be training optimally and doing interval training, not focusing on how much his bike weighs.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link
that's weird, i always thought it races were ultimately determined by speed not effort. ;-P
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link
road races (that are not sprint finishes) usually come down to a race winning effort at threshold. hopefully, when the effort is made, no one else but you can hang on. at that point it has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with who can handle the most pain.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link
the effort can be one 30 second acceleration on a climb that no one can hold on to. at that point speed is irrelevant. it's survival of the fittest (mentally and physically).
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
furthermore, you can be the fastest time trialist in the world and never win a road race.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link
THEREFORE. TRAINING ON A HEAVY BIKE IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU.
find your zones. train in your zones. do structured intervals. that's how you get fit and fast.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link
You saying I need a heavier bike?
― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link
ride the heavy bike and put some dumbells in your backpack. have fun.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link
:-)
― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link
that's weird, i always thought it races were ultimately determined by speed not effort.
spreadsheets, actually
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
haha i def was not saying that. but races are certainly not determined by average speed over 90 miles. races are determined by tactics and calculated efforts.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
no no, ur right on, the "one determining moment" thing is almost always true.
thats the beauty of learning to race- you know that if youre racing to win, you spend not ONE WATT unless it will make a difference in your finish.
and if you think thats wheelsucking, that's ok, maybe losing is just your thing.
(tho obv. there are times when getting on the front and taking your turn is important too).
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 March 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
right. and at my level, you practically feel like you are in the red the ENTIRE race. the guy who wins is the one who can squeeze just that little bit more out of his body and ride away from everyone else. usually on the hardest part of the course.
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I bet he drops his dumbells just before making that vital attack.
― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link
you are the dumbell!
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link
"it was going so easy, so i attacked and did a whole lap off the front." teh classik cat 5 RONG
wait until its intolerably fast. now go. can't? you just havent earned it yet baby.
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, i thought the adage was if yr nose is in the wind, you will never win
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link
not unless you have made a perfectly timed solo attack in a crosswind 10k from the finish and they never catch you
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
today i eated for lunch:
Chipotle chicken/black bean burrito (no chz, no sour cream, ha)Superb giant ass slice of cheese pizzaReally huge 5" diameter chocolate chip cookie
^^^^how not to really train when you are 15 lbs over "race weight." u_u
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 March 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
you are fricken nuts
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
;_;
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 March 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
proud'a u hunt3r
― Are Slimes the Jews of monsterdom? (cankles), Thursday, 11 March 2010 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
ok not biking but dang i just ran intervals around lake of the isles and yeeow
so much more bang for your buck imo
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Thursday, 11 March 2010 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
running is excellent as far as time efficiency but is terrible for your cycling.
not as terrible as a really huge 5" diameter chocolate chip cookie.
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 March 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link
i am not concerned about my cycling
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Thursday, 11 March 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
the only thing cycling is good for, fitness-wise, is more cycling
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Thursday, 11 March 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link
it doesnt seem that bad for the xc skate?
― malicious humor victim (Hunt3r), Thursday, 11 March 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link
what the shit is cankles doing here
― shite new answers (cutty), Thursday, 11 March 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
we're a broad church these days!
― put your glans up for Detroit (haitch), Thursday, 11 March 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link