ILE and the maybe the internet generally: life-sapping forces of evil?

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So, you go and see a film* and the fog clears, the world seems a much bigger place, and you're thinking about changing your life and and yeah you know that the feeling never lasts and you never do anything about it but still. And then you come home and you log onto ILE and make some lame joke hanging on the American usage of the word pissed and the whole entropic process is catalysed. Yeah, I'm mixing my scientific metaphors, fuckwads. So stick a thermometer up my arse.

What gives?

*City of God

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

You need sleep and rest, dear friend.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

it rilly depends if u feel you've done gd 4 yr country wit yr day's/night's/4.3 seconds' posting. do u consume as much films as ilx (in terms of length o time + regularity?)

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

it depends on YERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr reaction 2 da material within da ilx (do da ilx)

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

what is time spent on the internet stopping you from doing?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't begrudge the time so much as the life-force.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree with n.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

(whatever there is to agree with)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

ta jess.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Inhale helium/datill take yer mind off.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

how about "casual conversation: life-sapping force of evil"

― Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I always feel this - it's nothing to do with sleep or food. I've eaten and I'm on E.S.T anyway.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

internet sapping your life-force? i know not of what you speak.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate the title of this thread. I forgot to change it before I posted. Non-religious people using the word 'evil' is fucking annoying.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't blame ILE. It just got there first.

(I love this thread, though.)

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess what I'm saying is ur all gay.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

What was it about the movie, do you think, N?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

lick my ring

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I want be escaping from Brazilian slum hoodlums.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Or even the crap journalist lay.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I walked home differently, if that counts.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

is it dat evryday ilx cums up wit sumting sicker + whack MCs like n drop der heads in shame?

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Escaping from crap journalist lays? The hell?

It is quite obv. I don't have a decent cinema nearby.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I bet there were relatively few shots of the Brazilian slum hoodlums using the Internet.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

diffrent route may count but da fact dat it was a diffrent route is arbitrary 2 yr concern.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

No, tracer - the only had the arpanet.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ARPANET - how romantic. Sorry, I feel like I have to make everything v v short. Anyway I think this is a great question because I feel that way too sometimes after coming out of a movie, or a play. The last one I can remember really feeling this way with was "Yi-Yi". When I stepped out I felt like everyone coming out of the theater really NOTICED one another discreetly and humbly and quietly, and there was this mood that no one wanted to crease. Every word I said sounded stupid and too loud. Then I forgot all about it. But I didn't, really, cause I still remember EXACTLY what that felt like. Of what use it is - not sure.

naked as sin, are you really naked as sin?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The Waterford standup comedian, or without clothes?

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the internet is easily the worst thing to ever happen to my life. as well as providing some of the best.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

snap.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I usually feel like no one else feels the way I do coming out of a film cause they're all chattering and saying 'yeah, that was really good do you want to get a pizza?' But I guess some are quiet like me, and I don't notice them.

Maybe I should turn this thread into a poll of whether people know what I'm talking about, and those that don't can all piss off except it would probably be some people I don't like saying they do and I'd get even more depressed.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

da feeling u refer 2 happens 2 me sumtimes late at nite while watchin sumting unexpected but da whole "change life" sensation can b pretty vague at times. i don't tink i've felt dis in a while.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I am having a hard time not imagining Jar Jar Binks.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

N, I do know what you're talking about, totally. I remember walking home from a friend's eighth birthday party where I'd just seen robocop for the first time and being all contemplative and doing the *shzoom-shzoom* robot walking and movements.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I just wrote a whole thing about the function of art but I erased it because it was all sort of obvious.

What I want to know is, does the City of God have big doors?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

One thing about City of God - I wish the character of Knockout Ned had been better developed so that his switch to Carrot's right-hand man had been more believable and heartbreaking.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh.

I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to find a way to concur that doesn't come off like total wank. But I do know what you mean.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Could this thread - however tangentially - be tied back to Jess' question re: "corny"?

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I know it's corny. That's why I don't usually bring it up.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick, are you currently employed?

― Stuart, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. I'm always employed.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I know it's corny. That's why I don't usually bring it up.

Didn't mean to imply the first part, more the second.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't get you.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't want to explain. Cause it's corny.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i feel closer to you both than ever before

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

so...am I way off with my robot moves or what?

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Forget robot moves, get back to being 'always employed'.

― Stuart, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm rarely employed.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno, I often come out of movies and concerts charged with this overwhelming mix of inspiration, wistfulness and resolute sadness that usually manifests in total introspection, which in itself is generally parsed by others as dumbfoundedness.

It's this momentary realization of what life - in all its possibilities and potentials - could, no should, be like. And the glimpse of it, however fleeting, pulls me so evenly in both directions (inspiration + paralysis) that my only real recourse in the moment is to merely observe.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Or possibly that's not what you meant at all. So.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, the world would be a better place if people Nick doesn't like were never affected/moved/changed by exposure to art. But this probably doesn't happen anyway.

― lurkah, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

all of what mark p said + "my life is so mundane compared to that brazillian gangster's...you never even see him having to buy toilet paper or having to use it..."

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

but dun't sumtimes the paralysis exit the equation or am i ignorantly refusing to acknowledge a more subtle paralysis? sleep deprivation isn't also a part o dis equation?

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

No, that's pretty much it, Mark.

Lurkah - obv. I hesitated before I posted that but it's the way I feel (if every tom dick and sally thinks they have untapped greatness then you are forced to consider the possibililty that you are just the same as them really). I know I can't justify this rationally so that's why I hesitated but in the absence of an immediate route into 1970s Brazilian slum drug warfare (and out again) I am at least making use of the rare energy I have now. But I am conflating too many things. Ha ha - I am even getting anonymous lurkers to hate me - go thread go.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

We need to hurry ILX: The Movie into production.

― B.Rad (Brad), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sleep deprived this week cause I am on the late shift so I can go to bed at 5am if I want.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

(if every tom dick and sally thinks they have untapped greatness then you are forced to consider the possibililty that you are just the same as them really)but yr less sayin dat dat they'd b da same as u than just one small aspect o yr personality ie. how u consume art.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

fukd dat up. b4 "just" put "yr sayin dat" and after "personality" put "wd b da same".

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

That's not a 'small' fucking aspect! Though as I said, I am conflating different disatisfactions.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

you have to buy toilet paper and use it.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"small" wasn't meant 2 b emphasised, dude. can't actually remember typin it. who wuda thunk it?

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

It's maybe *everything*

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

evryting dat u feel is valuable about u, u mean?

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I don't know - you're sidetracking me.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

You're like the embodiment of the internet!

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Except that was a cheap joke and not what I meant originally anyway. It's not the time etc.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I was about 2 reply wit a "no" wit lots of 'o's.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

nick, sounds like you're using internet (and perhaps other things) the wrong way. i mean, no offence ,but most of your posts are quite snippy, i mean how many of your posts are actaully constructive, actually adding anything? yes this can be lodged at anyone, myself included, thats fine. but you make more posts than anyone and you're not happy about the draining effects, and its not the time thats pissing you off?

its like you are above actually saying anything because you know the right answer, so dont bother to engage. so piss about picking at peoples posts. fair enough, but then its no surprise if you find that a bit pointless.

this seems to have increased in the last few months i dont know. over a couple of threads and stuff i get the impression that you kind of think you deserve xyz but you wont go out and get it, kind of like a lazy arrogance. and then it doesnt come, because it never does, because it you're an average person like most of us you have to go out and force the issue.

otherwise...anomie

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, thanks.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

PLUR

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I was only joking!

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

oh! er...

kittens to thread someone please

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Please no kittens. Not right now.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, that was a bit uncalled for.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Why is everyone being so nasty lately? I guess that question could be a new thread, but the meta threads kind of get on my nerves anyway.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i wasnt being mean. i read this as a genuine advice thread. im sorry.

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It really didn't read as such. To me, anyway. But then I am probably one of those bleeding heart over-sensitive types.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

What was uncalled for Nicole? Gareth's? I didn't mind. Gareth has my best interests at heart even if he is an arsehole ha.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, yeah. Don't mind me, I have had a bad day.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i am also like that nicole, i just read the whole thing as an "internet is sending me into inertia" type thing, which it can do quite easily, i was just trying to say if it is like that then you can jolt yourself out by being more proactive

(and also a thought that n is very capable of good posts on ilx but there have been less recently. and also linked to the fact that there has been much good iraq type threads and i havent contributed as i would have wished, mainly having done that via email/aim)

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

OK now he is pissing me off.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Now what is Gareth doing awake?

I've enjoyed having N. respond to my threads at odd hours.

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i just woke up!

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Why does Brisish people never need to sleep and etc.? (Not that I'm complaining: It's so boring when the empire sets.)

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the crazy life an island people.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I am complaining though -- I need to take a break from ILE. Starting now-ish.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

just post to remark that dreadful use of "entropic". Though not being able to propose any adequate alternative term, I feel pretty embarrassed now...probably Houllebecq could provide one.

― arantxa, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

'Inertia' would be fine. However, I'll defend the use of 'entropic process' as I like the image, of a catalyst for all energy in the universe evolving toward a state of inert uniformity, that it evokes.

― Lara (Lara), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that was the idea.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

damn for seeing city of god. it's already out circulation in this cuontry

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I go into a time warp on ILE. Usually, it works out just swimmingly because I'll get to work, start ILXing while doing little bits of work here and there, and then I glance at the clock down there in the corner (of the computer screen) and it's already about lunchtime.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Tortuous

― JJ Hyprocite, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

uh-huh
Poor me.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with Gareth - though he has to remember that it is my perogative to call Nick self obsessed and arrogant.

Still, more people have seen City Of God so I should reanimate the thread.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Also see this thread.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, I'm not sure I'd blame my own inertia on ILE. I feel bored so I go on ILE rather than watch TV or read a book. Perhaps, I should use ILE in a more constructive way. I find inspiration comes and go.

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The one interesting and disturbing thing I've noticed is that my world outside of ILX is quite different than my ILX world, in a bad way, and yet I can't stay away. I have this suspicion that I'm either disliked here or that people would like it if I would just go away (mostly because I have nothing interesting to say), and yet I can't remember anyone ever saying anything. Sorry if I'm off base.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Bryan, I don't want you to go away!
*(please keep in mind I am pro-ILX-mush and pro-kittens)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, Sarah. You could very well be the sweetest person here. I still feel crappy! You can never lose with a pro-kittens stance.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Bryan I can't speak for everyone but I think it's highly unlikely that anyone wants you to go away. When you posted that photo and I said you looked like a big egg, it was just a random comment prompted by the nervousness in your "Now that hopefully no one is looking..." tag. The picture hadn't even loaded.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

when i post, it's probably uninteresting, but i don't feel unwelcome per se. it seems that the only people that ilxors *really* want to go away are the trolls/googlers.

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I just googled for googlers and I'm so mad at you ILXors!

― Googler (coco), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, I often feel that I'm not posting anything worthwhile, especially when I read the big debate threads and what have ya. I guess, I see my role as lowering the standards.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I would fear more for anyone on ILE who thought their posts *were* worthwhile.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I hold myself back and only post about issues that are really pressing in today's society, like what my favorite bra color is or about cats rimming.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I normally wouldn't care, but my first FAP is coming up soon and I'm feeling anxious about it (which is completely insane!). It wouldn't be very fun to call for a FAP and either have no one show up or have them show up and ignore me. I sound like a whiny 9-year-old!

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey! I'm 9 years old and I'm not whiny!

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

If we are all gonna be nine, fancy a water gun fight?

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Choose your weapons!
http://www.marknagata.com/toys/raygun4.jpg">

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, fuck.
Anyway, I got the futuristic red gun.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm 24 and now I'm wet.

― Ally C (Ally C), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Why has this thread turned into hotmail spam?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Good thing you're not minna. She'd whack us with books.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

HI NICKDASTON24, I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING TO HEAR FROM ME. I'D LOVE TO CHAT!

― Ally C (Ally C), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick, your comment about me looking like a big egg was puzzling but it didn't upset me. In fact it was more complementary than what my wife calls me: CHROME DOME, even though I'm not bald. There's a crazy bit in her brain that equates me with those convex security mirrors. The full name is OGRAM THE CHROME DOME!

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 7 February 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I watched an interesting prog on C4 last night about SAC's chrome dome.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 7 February 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The Scottish Arts Council?

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 7 February 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Answering the question, Christ yes, yes, yes. Occasionally, I re-engage with "normal" life and remember what's real and how unhealthy all of this interweb shit can be. But for some fucked up reason, I get sucked back in and console myself by saying, 'hey, I've got this in perspective this time, I'm not going to go down that energy/life-sucking path again'. But guess what? Before I know it, I'm back to feeling like shit again and utterly, utterly guilty at the waste of time, energy and creativity. I fucking hate letting my feelings and emotions get jerked around by cyber mist. It's pathetic and no matter how much I try to justify and find reasons why this is all ok and non-harmful, deep in my gut, I know how untrue this is.

― Tatyana, Friday, 7 February 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

It is a time-waster, and yet it's a powerful mirror. I've come to realize through this forum that I am very boring (I seem to kill an awful lot of threads that I post to, mostly, I'm assuming, because I put people to sleep), that I like to embarrass myself (though not in a fun way), and that I take people's reactions way too seriously because I am very self-centered and immature. As I said earlier, I'm kind of the opposite here than I am in "normal" life, though I sometimes think that this is the real me here. Because I thrive on self-loathing, I keep coming back. Plus, there are lots of very funny people around here.

― Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 9 February 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Marvin the Paranoid Android to thread!

― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 9 February 2003 06:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Strategic Air Command.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 9 February 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

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