A question about ILX user capacity

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I'm not sure if this is something that has been discussed around here before, but I was wondering if anyone has considered taking up a "collection" so that ILX could expand its capacity? Or is it thought that it's big enough already? I'd fork over some bread to more efficiently waste time at work. Sorry if this question offends the powers that be.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

By 'user capacity' you mean...?

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bandwidth, most likely. Bryan's probably seeing the "THERE ARE TOO MANY SQL CONNECTIONS TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE" message that I've been getting this morning.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

those messages are caused probably by people recategorising threads. There's a bit of a problem in that the updates queue up behind search requests and then everything else queues up behind them, and eventually all of the slots are filled up. It's not a bandwidth issue though, it's poor programming which wuold take a few moments to fix.

― grraham, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dan = OTM. Normally this thing works just fine for me (can't imagine what it's like for the dial-up folks). Anyway, I just realized that my suggestion was probably unworkable at best and highly offensive to lots of other users at worst.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Atually, you were all OTM. Thanks.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, you were all OTM. Thanks.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

HA!

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wish that error message did say "TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE".

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

For once, I resisted making a suggestive remark based around all of this.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's nowt to do with capacity. If you'd like to raise money for a better programmer though.

― grraham, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

it always seems to happen between 3pm and 5pm (GMT) i've noticed - all the Americans logging on at work perhaps?

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

IS NO ONE LISTENING TO ME???????

― grraham, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

YEs, can we have the SQL too many collections changed to say TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE please. Please, please.

When's the exam Graham? And where do we put the money? I put a quid in the floppy drive of my computer - can you get that?

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

The exam is tomorrow, but I've not done the coursework so I've sort of failed anyway. Caitlin got her way. Does anyone want to crash the server?

I'm on a mac, so no floppy drive. How about you pay me in Buffy boxsets?

― grraham, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't fit them in the hole.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not saying anything...

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

it always seems to happen between 3pm and 5pm (GMT) i've noticed - all the Americans logging on at work perhaps?
-- stevem
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IS NO ONE LISTENING TO ME???????
-- grraham

Maybe this is the time the moderators are doing all their thread categorizations, however? Or doing those last-minute searches before leaving work for the day?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh why not, Christine?

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Obviously the solution is to port ILX to ORACLE.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because... I have a headache.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can the ILX error message have silly pictures???

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

how many users use ILX? (Is that on the user link or FAQ link, I'll check...)

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I get back to Australia in July I'll consider upgrading the ILX server once again. I don't think this will be necessary, though, because as Graham said (you really should listen to him, you know) most of the slowness is due to minor programming oversights.

I don't think any donations are warranted at this point.

― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

If funds are needed for an upgrade, however, I'm pretty sure most everyone around here would be willing to help.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

But no reimbursement otherwise, huh?

― gr, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does our undying gratitude count?

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

65 Bullingdon Road
Oxford
OX4 1QL

For each Buffy box set I get in the post, one buggy UPDATE command because a concurrency-friendly REPLACE DELAYED. Or just send me a card. That'd be nice.

I'm fucking serious.

― grraham, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I feel so guilty, I'm so way behind on all my mail. I have 3 cents in my wallet (for real), but when I do get money again on Friday I will send you a present G or die in the attempt.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

A card is on its way. Watch your box fill up! BE QUIET, CHRISTINE!!!

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Ha ha - wait for moderator action when they realise Graham has posted his real, actual address and is now target for terroroists and other reasons why we don't post real actual addresses (which are?))

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because creepy (in their own minds, anyway) fellers from the Canadian prairies might send them greeting cards in lieu of Buffy box sets?

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

What did I do?

I can send people cards. I only wish I had any money to spare. Quite seriously, for once.

Funnily enough, I've never filled anyone's box...

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I told you to be quiet, Christine! Thanks for ignoring my request, btw.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham has posted his real, actual address and is now target for terroroists and other reasons why we don't post real actual addresses (which are?)

Dan Perry showing up at your door with a complimentary Hootie and the Blowfish bathmat?

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

My own box is generally pretty empty.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Request? Is this me?

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes. Are you gunning for the roll as the female Dan Perry, Christine? You're doing well so far!

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've missed something, I think. Doh.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lets start a collection for and XServe and a leased line, (to reside at my house of cousre;-))

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just post your address and I'll send the cheque out today.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

The reasons apply to ppl posting their own and regretting it, or people posting other people's, Pete. If Graham wants to post his own address then that's fine.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

My address... used to be on my Web site (I was selling something)... but it isn't anymore! This was years ago. You live and learn. Although, to be fair, I never received anything improper from it.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, it wasn't used underwear I was selling, either...

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't be scared, Ed. I was joking. I started posting on ILM in the summer of 2001 with my real name (first and last) but got rid of that soon after. I'd be very easy to find, though no one would want to. It is pretty strange when I get phone calls from ex-girlfriends at 3 am, though.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

You wear underwear, Christine?

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 17:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry. Not funny.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nah, I either logged off about then or I was struck dumb for an answer. Or both.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I really do have a headache too. We're in deep financial poor here. But enough of that.)

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

i posted a real address of someone else on another thread and thats still there!

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

You were trying to get them killed, weren't you? Fess up.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

If I win the lottery tonight I'll help you out, Christine.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Honestly.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't stop thinking flux capacitors.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I meant deep financial poop, actually, but poor's near as dammit. :)

Can I hold you to that offer, then?

Oo, Loterry draw tonight, anyway. Maybe *we'll* win. I'll buy Graham the complete Buffy collection and anything anyone else wants. (Note: only if we hit the jackpot. If we win £10, probably not...)

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

The 6/49 draw here in Canada is $5 Million tonight, and yes you can hold me to it. I'd rather win the Super 7 this Friday, though ($22 million).

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

well, i'd be happy to make a contribution to keep ILx going if needed

re the SPQ msgs, (I'd tried e-mailing a few times before but messages always bounced back) for me as well it ALWAYS happens at the same time(4-5 PM for me) and I'd always assumed that it was server getting overloaded by US folk waking up and coming online.

if that isn't the case (I'm listening here Graham) out of curiousity, why would recategorisation or whatever always crash it at the same time?

― H (Heruy), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

A nice house in its own grounds, i.e. no nosy neighbours. Hired help to do house cleaning/washing. Big fuck-off TV/entertainment system. State of the art computer setup. Sex slave. Nose job.

Oh, the list could get really large...

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Strange how your list mirrors mine...

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

But...

Money can't buy you love.

I just made that up myself. Honest.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

There was no mention of love...
I've got to try and curb my use of ellipses.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I want to know what love is...

But money would be a pretty good compensation.

(I have to cut down on redundant parentheses, personally.)

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Love is...what you want it to be. RATS!!!

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bryan, is your real name Willard?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Love is like a butterfly. (..)

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I'll go smoke a cigar.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Soft and gentle as a sigh...

I wonder if it was actually a migraine I had today. I had a cheese sandwich, two hours later my head was doing a hard boogie.

Lottery draw due in a minute. Oh joy.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm going to start removing features until you all start taking this seriously.

― grraham, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taking what seriously?

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

OH NO DO NOT BUFFY BECOME A BYWORD FOR SPITE

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

How much trouble is it to sent me a motherfucking card?

― grraham, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can I send you a regular card instead?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh my god I've gotta lay off the cough syrup.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm senting you a card today!

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

We didn't win the Lottery, anyway. Obviously, I'm overwhelmed with shock.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

My draw is in about 2 hours. I'll let you know. If I win I'm planning on throwing a big party that all ILXers will be invited to. We'll have cake and balloons.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

and buffy for all

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

My headache/migraine's eased a bit, at least.

Those balloons look *very* strange...

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have never gotten an error message and my connection is run by small animals on a treadmill.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

i thought i was the only one who still had hampster technology...

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Thursday, 27 March 2003 01:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Came up empty tonight, Christine, which is just as well seeing as I really want the Friday draw.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 04:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

The slowness is probably caused by people recategorising threads. Or maybe by Iraq. Or just too many people on at one time. Or maybe by the vast right wing conspiracy battling the forces of the liberal media. Huh? It's what?....uh.....oh....

― Skottie, Thursday, 27 March 2003 06:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I should probably apologise and say I was really incredibly ill yesterday. But still, please send me stuff if you want stuff fixed.

― grraham, Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/wishlist/3GS8DE4M9B5Q5/ref%3Dwl%5Fs%5F3/026-9142232-410760

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham, your wish list link is being temperamental.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

as is the link between ilm and ile in the top right hand corner. heh!

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Really Gareth?

Dan: I can't get it to work either. You can search for it with my email address though.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes, no >ILM link for me.

I will get you the ipod and the tompaulin CD (do not read that if you hate lies)

― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Now look what you've done.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Did you change the "contribute an answer" in revenge graham?

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, just respect for old Father Greenspun.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

graham - a card went out to you with our mail today - let me know when and if you get it, please. I'm interested to know how long it takes.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone else want a card? Maybe it'll give me something to do.

I'm really depressed today...

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Send me one, Christine! I'll email you my address.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Better use ampcon@ampcon.freeserve.co.uk then. The address below seems *really* fucked on deliveries lately.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

In fact... there. In the unlikely event anyone wants to mail me, this ought to prevent problems.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sent.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

See, this address works. And the irony is, it's a free address I've had for several years... the one that keeps screwing up, I'm actually paying money for. Oh, how it makes me laugh.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Heh heh Graham, I don't think the "I hate you all, buy me stuff" tactic is going to be particularly successful.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, the card and postage cost me almost CDN$3, so...

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jebus, what a grumpy little beggar you are, Graham. But you are living just down the road from my old studio! Tell you what, you could go round there and ask Kev the printing techy bloke to let you sniff the bruch-cleaning solvent, that'll make you feel much better almost immediately. And very ill immediately after that.

Enough already, I'll send you a card and a pack of sweets, but this retrograde features business is rubbish. If the PowerPuff Girls could see what you're doing they'd WHUP YOUR HINEY, kid.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Money! You know, sometimes it's a great relief I don't have to pay a toll to use the toilet, tbh...

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I'm bitter about money, obviously. Amongst a few thousand other things.)

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's a very nice card with a picture of a prominent Winnipeg landmark on it and I wrote a cheery little note on it!

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

My cards have dogs. Unless I actually buy something different.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

(The cards are photos of me, obviously!)

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't understand this contre-temps du tout.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think it's about muffins.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm far, far too depressed to make any today, anyway. I'm glad not everyone hates me, but it seems to be getting nearer.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bloody hell! Who hates you??

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

You are insane Graham. NO Buffy for mentalists!

― Samson, Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I tell you what, I want a cheese sandwich!

― Sarah (starry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

If someone doesn't get me an iced tea sometime soon....

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, Christine. We all think you're grate. I mean, for the high-quality sexual innuendo alone you're fantastic!

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I want the Buffalo Springfield box set and if you don't give it too me I will DELETE YOUR INTERNET!

― Samson, Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Samson, no one saw that as I have deleted you.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

This sending of presents could get expensive, but worth it. I'll send you a case of Good Host, Lara (ask what it is on the Canadians C/D thread and hopefully someone will answer honestly). Just email me your address.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sounds interesting - it won't harm my family or turn my skin a funny colour? Address on the way!! What do you want??

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nothing. I don't deserve anything. Just kidding. A postcard from where you are will do. And I probably won't send a case of Good Host - but I will send a "slut" as we call them (a very big container).

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've just discovered it's made my Nestle. Doesn't that make is BAD BAD BAD?

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 27 March 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

I guess...being an asshole I usually don't worry about such things. I can think of something else to send if you like. All I know is that the Good Host is TASTY.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I guess it's an irrational feeling. Don't have any real friends. And situation here is grim for a few reasons. So I feel pretty worthless.

All out of innuendo atm, too.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am not terribly principled either - SEND IT ON!

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Big up for Christine! Imaginary internet friends are still friends!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Lara, don't! It's made out of crushed African babies!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, they can be better than so-called real friends, sometimes. Yup.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Num num. Babies!

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry for moaning, anyway.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I sure hope I didn't make things worse with the last email I sent, C.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, not at all. Still have a headache -- probably stress as much as anything -- so I haven't been around much.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I am always stressed out, but recent stuff -- tenuous house move plans and financial poverty -- has made it worse. And then there was something else that completely, utterly blistered my brain and made things feel ten times worse... for which I may never be able to fully express my G.R.A.T.I.T.U.D.E.)

(What am I using parentheses again?)

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Thursday, 27 March 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am pissed off that no one mentioned me on the favourite ILx posters thing, and when they finally did, and mark was trying to be nice, it was about all the work I do, not "Graham has interesting and amusing things to say about everything" or anything like that. That sucks.

I am pissed off I hardly ever get told what to do. On all the anti-trolling and anonymity and such threads, people come up with all sorts of ideas, "Graham, how about we have a system where ...". Then no one ever says whether they actually want it done or not. If you leave someone sitting at command line to do their own thing, then what right have you to complain when they start doing their own thing?

If you just want a goon to do all the work for you behind the scenes, then fine, but that's not a favour for friends, that's a job, and I expect to be paid for it. As this thread demonstrates, whoever does this is expected not to have a personality and not to be human, ever.

I don't mind at all doing all this stuff, but I want you to realise there are big sacrifices involved. Sending me a card isn't such a ridiculous idea, is it? And no fucking way am I handing over my code to you lot after all you've put me through.

That's a start, anyway. I'll reply to the people who sent me email.

― Graham (graham), Friday, 28 March 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

"mark was trying to be nice":

In all the many many MANY hours, I have spent babying you through your countless selfish tantrums, Graham, you have never ONCE expressed the slightest interest or concern in anything happening in my life. NEVER ONCE. Do you get it? Do you get it yet? Do you GET it yet? Many people have made tremendous efforts on your behalf on this board: every single time you turn round and kick them in the fucking teeth: punish them for caring, punish them for trying, give them NOTHING IN RETURN BUT GRIEF.

I'm sorry I haven't been able to devote more time to you this week, I've actually been busy with stuff which doesn't involve this board. I'm sorry I don't rack up as a friend in your peculiar little world — bcz I'm not a cute girly cartoon character and/or yr total emotional slave, or whatever it is you're wanting. I'm sorry that the immense time and effort I've given up for you over the last year means so utterly little to you.

I'll email you at the weekend. I'm fucking angry with you about this, and with me you haven't got the tiniest, slightiest, faintest ghoast of an invented excuse to back your way out of it.

― mark s (mark s), Friday, 28 March 2003 12:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Mark I emailed you before clicking back on this thread FWIW.)

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 March 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

No-one has mentioned me on favourite ilx posters either - except, I think, Andrew F? - which was nice of him.

I find that I am not too bothered about this.

― the pinefox, Friday, 28 March 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

well same as the pinefox. I think no one mentioned me on ILE and only a couple on ILM.

mark- you're a damn fine human being (I know its obvious thing to say but I'll say it). Have a good weekend. Relax and take care.

ha! I want to see nabisco's essay.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 28 March 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham yr role as the great programmer is far more important to nearly everyone here than yr role as poster, cos you enable ILX to actually EXIST and WORK. This may just be the reason people aren't quick to rate you as a poster. Mark it's not good at all to hear you so angry, I think perhaps (OH NO NEW FEATURE FUCK) a list of moderators/their emails somewhere (and the hours they're most likely avail.) might be a good idea, but no-one's going to rely on any of us the way they do on you (same thing might happen w/G if he shared out the programming), sorry. This is no doubt the wrong thread for suggesting that, I'll go and find another one.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 28 March 2003 13:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham, did you see the picture I drew of you?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

mark s not a cute girly cartoon character? since when?

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Can I request a moderator mood barometer on the front page?

― Sam (chirombo), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

sam- are the moderators in the mood to work out the code to implement this?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I fear I'm too dumb to discover a better thread to post my possibly no help anyway suggestion

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Mark's frustration is exactly why I think having a large moderator recruitment drive and then saying, "Well, all of these new moderators are subservient to Grand Poobah Mods #1 and #2 and have to run all actions past them first" isn't necessarily a good idea.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Touch my board, it is life.

― Samson, Friday, 28 March 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

This has 0 to do with moderation surely Dan?

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think this has much to do with moderation either.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, I am mental, please ignore me.

(I had a larger post explaining how I saw Mark's frustration at being labelled a moderator gateway as being a large factor in how he was reacting to this, but I was looking at this in terms of how it affects the board instead of in terms of the relationship between Graham and Mark that the board enables and shortly after posting I went, "ARGH WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?")

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should do everything in moderation though Tom.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Graham, I think ilx rocks. But please don't do it unless it's fun. I wouldn't like to think that it was manufactured in a sweatshop for my uncaring enjoyment.

(However I certainly wouldn't have anything to do with Fairtrade ILX.)

― Sam (chirombo), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sam is On The Money.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Blimey hell HAS frozen over.

― Sam (chirombo), Friday, 28 March 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Is it even worth pointing out that I don't think anyone besides me was considering booting Graham out and keeping his code?)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

dan you meanie!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

(we're all in favour of caging him and implanting a control helmet)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

killing and eating.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

**No-one has mentioned me on favourite ilx posters either - except, I think, Andrew F? - which was nice of him.**

If I'd bothered to post on that thread you would have been right up there in the pantheon of perfection, PF. But I don't post to those threads because I don't want to miss anyone out, which I no doubt would.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, I missed that Sarah and now the links not working. Thanks!

(Liz, I've emailed you again. I hoep this one arrives)

― Graham (graham), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think I've ever claimed to be nice. (Although I agree with everyone else now that I'm being more rational. My initial comment was made in terms of thinking, "What's the fastest way to take action and not interrupt the functioning of the board?" and not "Hmm, Graham owns this code and would get really, really irritated if we tried to steal it.")

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

no-one thinks I am interesting or funny. I don't mind. especially since I don't find any of the other people interesting or funny.

the backslapping threads are evil because they only make people happy or sad or not bothered.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

you're funny RJG. not interesting tho' ;-)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

RJG yr funny and interesting. Stop yr whining.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

'they only make people happy or sad or not bothered' = ALL ILX THREADS

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

apart from the ones that make people want to fuck slugs.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are we done arguing now, then, Dan? ;)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was anti-whining. I said I didn't mind and didn't want backslapped.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I think so. :-)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Personally, the only time I want my back slapped is if I'm choking on a peanut or something.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

And peace reigned between the Sean and the Dan. Crullers from Tim Horton's were consumed and filthy jokes filled the air.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

way to go Archel, you're going really blue, nice one, aha it appears as though you're choking, you're the best.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

There are a few people I wouldn't mind slapping, but not ncessarily the back.

― ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm convinced.

― the pinefox, Friday, 28 March 2003 15:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dan, we gotta get you up here so you can roll up the rim in person, it's urgent and key!

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 28 March 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

You deserve a great big backslap, RJG

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 28 March 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

you too, andrew! I really hope you get one!

I like that the pinefox is convinced. not a backslap.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 28 March 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

RJG is ok, even if he does like Billy Joel.

― rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 28 March 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wish I shared yr sense of conviction, pinefox

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 28 March 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was mentioned like once on ILM and not at all on ILE. But that's okay because I don't validate myself by the boards and ppls estimation of me here + I figure the ppl that would mention me are the types who don't becuz they don't go in for those types of threads (which is like a spectacularly tight irrefutable and unprovable justification but hey, whatever works). Ppl. have short attention spans and were just throwing in on jokes and whoever had been particularly silly/on-point in the last few days or whatever -- you can't take these types of things too seriously.

That's chop-logic, and I expect you know it. Ppl appreciate all the work you've put into the boards, and we're always delighted with new k-kewl features but if any were *rilly* necessary the lizards would raise a stink about it -- mainly we've hashed things out and the boards seem pretty stable and solid at this point (with the possible exception of the tweaks to SQL calls to make them synchronize better) so it's not like there are many U&K things to do. Which might be part of where yr. coming from -- if the board keeps going on its own and no longer needs a wizard, then you can't get validation from yr. dazzling techne-trix. (haha if you love something [i.e. code] let it go).

In other words, yr. not expected to keep it all behind-the-scenes even in the same sense mods are (since when mods don't everyone gets all freaky about it). If you had posted a thread that said something like "Hey cool people! The boards have been slow becuz some tweaks need to happen. But I'm sorta down right now so it's slow going. Some cards might cheer me up tho -- also here is a picture of a kitten!" then I'm sure you would have gotten a more pleasant response -- it was the tone which came out all wrong, not that you talked about what was going on with the boards etc.

First a number of ppl. were quite forgiving of yr. actions on the "Shouting At People" thread and understanding -- but people were going to split on it just like they do on lits of heated debates & the main thing I think is to treat the boards with the respect they deserve as posessing a life of their own rather than yr. personal domain -- something I know Tom has spent plenty of time thinking about since the first days of ILX too.

And no fucking way am I handing over my code to you lot after all you've put me through.

And for christsakes, don't just think of what the boards have put you through, but also what you've gotten from them. Otherwise its like breaking up with a girlfriend then burning her stuff because she said terrible things to you for the week while you were fighting.

I really hope you can think this through and come to some resolution here coz ppl. do like you and appreciate you and it would be a shame if you never understood how these things work.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 28 March 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...

Aha! So Dan Perry and Caitlin are responsible for teh poxy fule!

― stet (stet), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Would it be "sacriledge" to change that message on the new system?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

NEVER CHANGE THAT MESSAGE!!!

IT IS PART OF ILX NOW!!!!!!!!

― Dear Cafes of London (kate), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

isn't the idea that the message shouldn't ever actually appear on the new system?

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

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