Wearing makeup every single day of you life - do people really do this?

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Inspired by a random comment by Christine on the personal grooming thread.

I wear make-up very occasionally - if I'm going out, or if I'm going onstage, or some other occasion which requires my feeling a bit glamourous.

Do people REALLY wear the stuff every single day of their lives, and if so, *why* would they do that to their skin?

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:29 (twenty-three years ago)

It brings back to mind something which happened a while ago - When I went for a job interview (at a freaking recruitment agency) the (female) interviewer made some comment about wearing makeup, which struck me as odd.

I probably wouldn't put on makeup for a job interview. Well not much, at least, certainly not beyond a bit of eyeshadow. I *DEFINITELY* wouldn't put on makeup every day to go to work, that really seems excessive. Yet the interviewer seemed shocked that I wasn't wearing makeup. I was shocked that it would be expected of me.

Am I some kind of freak? Do I really come across like I don't make any sort of effort? (I generally don't make much of an effort for work when it comes to clothes, apart from *trying* to make sure that I'm at least presentable - I mean, I do wear trainers and cords and things.) It's not that I'm a hippie and don't believe in makeup, I just think that it's something extra that you do for special occasions. Not a bloody GIVEN that you should be trying to change or heighten your appearance All. The. Time.

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:32 (twenty-three years ago)

My mother really wouldn't go out of the house without makeup on. I hardly ever wear it, and when I do only wear foundation/powder, no one seems to notice. Although I do use the slightly tinted Shu Uemura UV underbase everyday - it also containse some sort of anti-spot chemical as well as UV protection. I don't know if that counts as makeup because it changes my face in no way.

marianna, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, at univeristy, I suspected there was a sort of unmentioned bias against girls who wore makeup - like if you had time or really cared about your appearance you weren't really clever, or weren't working hard enough?

Also, in high school, guys tended to really go for the girls who wore lots and lots of makeup - like really badly lined lips etc. So to them, girls who make the effort were more desireable, even if they weren't naturally good looking.

marianna, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I use moisturiser every day, or else I'd look like a scaly fiend.

I'm going to walk around today peering into the faces of every woman I see trying to work out if they're wearing mascara or no because I don't think I know any women who wear the stuff all the time... or do I? I suppose you wouldn't know unless you had to share a bathroom with them and had to wait for them to put their gook on!

ACtually, come to think of it, my Ex used to wear makeup - foundation - every day. (Yes! a boy proves the exception to my rule.) I didn't know that he wore makeup until I lived with him.

I just don't pay attention to that sort of thing.

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:48 (twenty-three years ago)

My mother applies make-up because her skin is not *perfect*. It isn't really blemishy, only if she puts some cream on it's more even. Her skin is just very dry and prone to peel. She also puts on VERY-VERY red lipstick. If she doesn't, people ask her she's sick. She just looks so fantastic with it.

nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I always found that the problem with makeup was that it made any skin problems WORSE. Powder dries out my skin, making the flakiness worse, it blocks up my pores, sometimes even provoking breakouts when I only had one little spot. And it certainly upsets my eyes and gives me eyelid pimples if I wear eyeliner or the like every day.

I don't understand people who wear it to "cover blemishes" when all it seems to do is make them worse.

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate - sounds like need to find a better makeup brand for your skin type.

Actually I might be more inclined to wear basic makeup every day if I were able to buy those spongey applicator thingys in bulk. It's all about the applicators!

My husband cannot understand why I abhor women who apply makeup on public transport.

marianna, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate - sounds like need to find a better makeup brand for your skin type.

This is self perpetuating logic.

If I don't wear makeup, then I don't have blemishes to hide. So I don't need makeup!

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 09:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Not exactly bad logic, but what I mean is you should be able to enjoy or not enjoy wearing makeup as often as you like w/o getting blemishes. When I wear makeup I don't do it to hide blemishes, but like you, to glam it up a bit! Having good makeup just gives you the freedome to glam it up a bit for a month long tour without any nasty side effects! :)

marianna, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate is right. There is NO cover-up make-up that is good for the skin. Almost by definition.

I never wear make-up. I haven't even worn it to go out for about three years. Most other people I know seem to, if only a dash of mascara. I think there is a trap/cycle whereby if you wear it for day to day stuff once or twice, you think you have to keep doing it or people will think you look like a hag.

My friend had a job interview at a clothes shop and was told that she'd have to wear full make-up every day, including foundation. (Which is probably an illegal demand.)

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Do you think that like people who use chapstick or lipstick everyday - their lips become accustomed to it and need it - the same thing happens to people who wear foundations? Like the skin becomes dependent on the foundation for protection from the world?

marianna, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:07 (twenty-three years ago)

The alternative view is that makeup is a mask that doesn't allow strangers to see what you *really* look like!

My mum is one of those women who needs full warpaint to go to the shops and tends to comment on those who do not. This drives me nuts.

I like to fill in my eyebrows to match my hair better, and I like red lipstick. But I'm also all about giving my face the day off every once in a while, which I'm doing all today but I am so dressing up later and that will involve some makeup. Oh, fine, probably LOTS. Glam is good. But honestly, you can probably avoid spots and blemishing altogether if you use makeup and moisturiser, by NOT FALLING ASLEEP BEFORE REMOVAL and NOT PICKING AT SPOTS (the latter is what really fucks me up, it's really key not to touch your face all the time if you want nice skin).

(Can I just say how hard it is to work when Nick is rehearsing 'Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About My Penis' in the sitting room? I alternate between cracking up in here and going out there to say things like 'supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!' or 'I am the very model of a modern major general' in Rex Harrison voice to put him off/make him laugh)

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:12 (twenty-three years ago)

well i would wear mascarra, glitter nail varnish
every day if i could. these days it's just at the wknds.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Hrm, I see your point, Marianna. It's just easier on my skin not to do it! Though I have learned to take makeup removal wipes on tour, and remove the stage makeup as soon as possible after the gig.

I remember my mother wearing makeup quite a bit, but it was more foundation type thing (which I never wear - I prefer just sparkly eyes type things) which she wore when she had to look professional for work or something. I didn't understand it, it seemed like an awful lot of bother...

That's another thing that I don't get about makeup. I mean, it seems so time-consuming! It takes ages to put it all on, and quite frankly, I'd rather have the extra 20 minutes of sleep in the morning! (Same reason I don't have a "hairstyle" that involves anything beyond brushing it.)

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think foundation gives protection from anything does it? (Well maybe psychologically.) But I mean, not like moisturiser/sunblock etc. It just gives a smoother/matter whatever surface to your skin and your pores can't be happy under there, surely.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Well some foundations have an SPF. And I'm not sure about pores 'breathing', surely that's just a thing invented by cleansing product manufacturers? They can get clogged if you don't remove makeup but I'm sure just wearing a little can't be that bad.

I wear makeup most days, never foundation but eyeliner / mascara / lippie type stuff. It only takes me 5 mins in the morning and I just like the way I look with it on better.

Emma, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Another bit I pinched from Christine (she's going to be cross when she wakes up and realises that I've started this whole thread without her...)

(I don't want to hijack this thread, but what is the average age that girls start wearing makeup nowadays? My mother was absolutly livid when I started--I'd started a few months before she was going to tell me that I would be forbidden from wearing it until I was sixteen. She soon relented, and gave me a nice makeup set for Christmas that year.)

I never had the slightest interest in wearing makeup. When I was about 16, I was taken to Macy's makeup counter by my mum and given a makeover and told "you should wear these things". I tried for a few days and decided I liked sleeping in better - the only lasting effect it had was a fear of Evil Eyebrows brought on by the woman trying to teach me to draw in my eyebrows because I have none naturally.

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:25 (twenty-three years ago)

i never ever wore make up until i was about 19 or 20, partly to piss off my mum who loves it but mainly because it felt 'fake'.
now i wear eyeliner more often than not and lipstick sometimes, though lately ive been using a tinted lip balm. i hate the feeling of wearing foundation but it does look good in photos. (i once put on what i thought was really over the top stagey make up for a party - i was dressing up as joan collins - but when the photos came back i looked boring and normal). there was a girl at school who looked as though her head was carved from a huge lump of foundation, we imaginitively dubbed her 'foundation face' but not to her foundation-face, she was tough.

minna (minna), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:28 (twenty-three years ago)

When I was v. little my best friend had Sindy makeup, these dreadful crayon type sticks of pale blue eyeshadow / pink lippie, we used to put it on when playing dressing up. Then when I was 12/13 I used to go to the Sunday morning rollerdisco CAKED in the stuff, bright pink / red lipstick, fluo pink/green eyeshadow (in carefully applied stripes) etc. My mum was probably too busy laughing to try to stop me. I used to wear a little to school from about 14 - just clear mascara / brown eyeshadow as I wasn't very rebellious.

God if you added up all the time I've spent applying makeup I could've done something productive with my life like become a doctor or write a book. oh well.

Emma, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:31 (twenty-three years ago)

If i'm working i usually just wear a bit of mascara and a spot of liquid eyeliner (my eyes disappear if i don't). I'll do the full works if i'm going out. If i'm going no further than the corner shop i don't bother, the most i'd so is wash my face and put on a dab of moisturiser.

It is quite annoying to think that when i was a teenager and plastered myself in yucky rimmel foundation i had near perfect skin and now that i look after my skin i'm rarely without a spot.

leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:32 (twenty-three years ago)

In the 17th and 18th century, men were expected to do this crap, too.

Why don't they do it any more? (Most of us) don't wear wigs every day, female or male, as they did then - why has makeup wearing persisted in the female, but not generally in the male?

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate: almost every man I know except Ed has a gammy old tube of Almay or Body Shop or Touche Eclat touch-up stick for evil spots and undereye issues. Women were also prohibited from wearing cosmetics in all but the most exclusive circles because it was slatternly, up until the Edwardian period at least, so I reckon there's an element of 'I'll wear on my face what I like, I have a choice' going on. Of course in some situations people are given no choice, which seems ironic and ignorant of history in general.

Minna: to match my asymmetrical Human League hair I would do 'pointillism' on one eyelid using a white shadow base mixed with various of the 16 Crayola water colours (magenta often featured) which would then make the eyelid look like I had fallen asleep on a pile of Chiclets (desired effect). I loved this with eyeliner and mascara because there were Clockwork Orange elements. In the period of time I became emboldened by hanging out with protective punk rock girls we had internecine wars with the girls who applied makeup with a trowel, we kept telling them they could wipe that frosty pink shit off using their lame Hypercolour t-shirts (and then we'd go back to discussing whose paisley shirt looked most like Roddy Frame's).

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Suzy, most of the men you know are either gay or just queens. I've only known one (non-goth) man to EVER even use touch-up. I had a battle with HSA over even the most basic of "how about you use some moisturiser so you don't make MY face scaly?"

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm convinced Roddy Frame has a very old looking picture in his attic. He still looks about 16.

leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Or maybe he just wears too much age-defying makeup!

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I just wear a tiny bit of makeup to work. Usually eye shadow, maybe mascara, maybe blush... I NEVER wear foundation. When I was in middle school, I got some and used way too much of it! I was probably a Miss Foundation Face to someone. One day, I was looking in the mirror and I noticed a line across my neck. It looked really freakish - like Frankenstein. Then I realized that it was the line where my foundation ended. It was SO orange compared to the rest of my skin! So, I simply never wore it again. And yeah, my skin had the perfect complexion. I had no business covering it up with that crap.

I rarely wear makeup during the day on weekends, but I usually put some on if I have a show or I'm going out and want to look extra special, whatever that means. I like lip gloss, but I never wear lipstick because it feels weird on my lips and I always feel like it stands out too much.

I've never seen any of my boyfriends use any kind of makeup or coverup. I encourage moisturizer though. And I use that just about every day.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Indeed, my use of cosmetics starts and finishes with soap. I don't get spots, or at least none that are worth worrying too hard about. and I think that this is the reason why.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

What I am saying is that apart from the most basic of moisturisers (at least Ed does not swipe mine), this is the *one* item of makeup owned by 'real men'. It is always five years old and covered in dust and clag on the top shelf of bathroom cabinet, next to plastic razor-pack carcasses.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, one of the things my advisor in college told me about a year and a half ago is that all HR directors make sure to take note of how much it looked like you took care of your physical appearance during the hiring process. The advice I got was to wear a nice, tailored, professional outfit, a nice pair of shoes with heels, hose, styled hair, and makeup. Why makeup? Because it helps give you that polished look the person at HR is looking for, and if you're not wearing makeup, it just looks like you really don't care about impressing anyone. It would be akin to a guy not shaving. Once you get the job, however, you can go without makeup most of the time, although for very important instances (e.g. meeting with a client) it might help out.

Right now, I will wear makeup about once every other week for work, because that's about as many times as we have meetings in this department. Other than that, I'll put on makeup for special occasions, e.g. Christmas, Easter, or weddings, where I feel this need to dress myself up. So, all in all, I think I spend maybe 40 days out of the year with makeup on. Not too bad, plus I look polished when I need/want to look polished.

p.s.: I have a HUGE "thing" for men who wear makeup (tasteful makeup, not a garish Kiss-style mask), who also slick back their light-colored hair and wear suits. It's the NuRo meets Bryan Ferry look and it's far too rare in this day and age, at least over here. *sigh*

Dee the Semi-Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

i think leigh has hit on it: rimmel foundation = perfect skin! (just kidding)

i don't ever spend more than 5 minutes on makeup in the morning, but i do feel weird going out without an undereye concealer. i have really dark circles no matter how much sleep i get, and if i don't wear it people usually ask if i'm ill or if i was in an accident. rude? yep. but still, if i can avoid it with 25 seconds of clinique application, i'm ok with that...and i'm also one of those people that's addicted to lip balm. everyone that visits me from the states has to bring me dr. pepper lip smackers.

colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:15 (twenty-three years ago)

It makes me incredibly angry to contemplate that I might ever have been rejected for a job because I went to the interview in flat shoes and no make-up. Wearing make-up if you're a woman is NOT the same as shaving if you're a man, is it?

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:18 (twenty-three years ago)

and if you're not wearing makeup, it just looks like you really don't care about impressing anyone. It would be akin to a guy not shaving.

No it wouldn't. Well, it wouldn't be if said guy had a beard.

I think you've hit upon what irks me about it. It's become *expected* as part of a "polished or professional appearance" for women, when it's not expected for men. And I disagree that it's "professional" - makeup for me is a glam thing, a good-time thing, the very antithesis of "professional". It would be like wearing clubbing gear - leather trousers, a skimpy shirt, slut boots - in the office. I just wouldn't do it.

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Shaving or not shaving - having a beard or no - is probably not seen as a mark of badness in a man, provided that the beard is well groomed and tidy. I am fairly well groomed and at least tidy WITHOUT MAKEUP.

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Well I'm sure if I wore a skirt into work I'd be quickly out on my ear.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:20 (twenty-three years ago)

And rightly so. I have not worked on my tan nearly enough.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:21 (twenty-three years ago)

You could always wear leg makeup Ronan...

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:22 (twenty-three years ago)

that sounds much more like me alright.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Having shiny tan legs would surely enhance the voibe.

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm ALL makeup - My whole face is just an elaborate synthetic mask, and my real "face" is just a smooth, featureless patch of skin.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Makeup has always been professional to me, but possibly it's just cause I tend to work with 50-something year old women who like to cake it on. I really don't wear much at all, and to be honest I don't think I know how to do it properly. I still end up looking really pale and dead (unless it's really hot outside - then my face is all red).

I wouldn't equate shaving with makeup. Women can look good in just a little makeup. In face, isn't the trick to have makeup work for you so that you look good but people can't tell you're wearing it? Like Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's Maybelline?? But shaving/ having a tidy beard is very obvious and deliberate. (This makes me think of bf's aftershave again. mmm....)

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I go through phases when I wear make up every day, and some when I forego it altogether. I always moisturise.

I had a friend in high school whose mother wouldn't let her leave the house without eyeliner. I thought that was beyond ridiculous. She was one of those people who would always look perfect though.

I like makeup, but never the kind that takes more than 5 minutes to apply. Lipstick is the best. I'd always wear dark lipstick to work, and one day when I wore a more neutral color (with eyeliner/foundation), someone commented that I wasn't wearing makeup that day.

I don't ever get blemishes from makeup, but it is hard to find good foundation if you have dry skin. Often, liquid foundation just makes skin flakiness more noticeable (even the ones that claim to be all moisturizing). But I like the look of foundation, so I keep trying to find something decent. Does anyone know of a foundation that works well for severely dry skin?

JuliaA (j_bdules), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember going to a party in high school where this mom yelled at her daughter (my friend) in front of all the guests for humiliating her by not wearing lipstick.

Sarah Mclusky (coco), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never seen my mother in makeup, nor do I believe she has ever owned any, at least not while I was alive. Of course she is the most beautiful woman ever. (she also has beautiful auburn hair which seems to grow a foot a month.) So I wasn't raised with it around or expected, but I started wearing it punk-rock style as a teen...black or gray eyeshadow for the most part. I'm wearing a bit of black eyeshadow and black mascara today because for some reason it makes me feel better when I have a meeting (since I'm pale, I imagine with makeup I look more assertive or something). I do like perscriptives foundation to even out my tone when I'm in front of a bunch of people but I go makeup-free 70% of the time or more.

Being expected to wear it for interviews is dud, but I kind of understand the expectation at the same time. I would wear makeup if I was on an interview. If they gave me shit, I'd say I was allergic or something.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

at least not while I was alive
Another dead poster speaks!

Sarah MclUsky (coco), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I can understand wearing makeup when you're dead. I mean, your skin goes all blue. I'd want to cover that up, too! ;-)

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Why we equate certain kinds of grooming as part and parcel of a 'professional' appearance and how that differs between the sexes and genders present in an office scenario is a really compelling set of questions.

I was thinking about this last night as I fell to sleep and lit upon the whole vestiges of military/schooling present in British office culture thing. The people who are the establishment about to retire are some of the last to come through boarding schools and/or national service, which were places where men and some women had it dinned into them that collective efforts required people to dress like a team, and of course we all know the dark side of the Brit uniform fetish. It also explains the shaving thing. So there's a trickle-down of 'teaminess' that dictates that you don't look *too* different and use cosmetics and accessories to express your personality laterally (ALL jobs have a 'uniform' of sorts). I would prove I could do this if I had to, eg. at the interview, purely to avoid it becoming one of those issues that are counterproductive to working in a team. I figure they'll notice my mind and abilities if there's no hangup on superficials either way, and after all they're paying me to come in there and be part of them. It's also easier to ultimately do as you please wardrobe-wise and cosmetics-wise, so I think if you see it as a sacrifice to capitulate even briefly for the sake of a better job then it's not playing the long game.

I have a vision of Kate going to the office coffeepot in full slap singing 'and we'll pretend that we're dead...'

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

My skin is not very great. It's sort of blotchy, big pores, dry in some patches, oily in others. Without makeup I think I look very boring--like a face has been drawn in and then erased (My face seems to be very PALE and COLORLESS... ). So, I wear some foundation once in a while, but mostly I use concealer mixed with oil-free moisturizer. I love brightly colored makeup (for going out), but as far as just going to the office I usually conceal the spots and undereyes and then put on a speck of BeneTint on my cheeks. Even with just these two items I think I still look rather colorless and tired. I wish I could not wear makeup and look decent, but I can't. I think, really, the reason I put on makeup is to counteract my bad wardrobe. I really cannot afford nice clothes, but I CAN afford nice makeup!

Mandee, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I am NOT a team player. It would be misrepresentation on a scale equivalent to lying to pretend that I was. I guess my appearance in that way expresses something about my performance - I am quite no-frills and no-nonsense and I will not fit in and be a part of the team, but I will bloody well be functional and get things done.

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I sometimes worry that it's only me who thinks I look completely normal without make-up, and everyone else looks at me and thinks 'for the love of god girl put something ON that face!'

Actually Mandee does have a good point about make-up being a relatively cheap way to play around with your image and feel good etc. Even I am not immune to the lure of a sparkly eyeshadow. And I wear nail varnish if that counts as make-up.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, I think my head (haha) is my best feature. Maybe if I had a hot bod, I wouldn't care so much about makeup.

Mandee, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I need to go on that show where they criticize your wardrobe and then make you go out and spent $5K in one afternoon.. maybe after that I could loosen the grip on the Stila counter.

Mandee, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I like make up. I find it fun. I like putting it on (relaxing), I like buying it (adult version of buying sweets from big jars), but I also like not wearing it.
There's no point wearing it every day, especially as I work from home. That said, when I was in office I'd make the effort, just as I'd never go into work wearing a my oldest jeans and a boy's t-shirt with no bra (today's satorial elegance). I've never really worked in a corporate dress environment though. If I'm being seen by other people I liek to dress up and have a particular look, which will include make up, though I feel officey-officey clothes might subdue this.

(Mandee totally on the money about the playing around with image thing.)

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I do highlight my hair for much the same reasons - it's something that gives me a physical pick-up and makes me look better. But in terms of time and money - bleaching my hair twice a year costs less and takes way less money than clothes or makeup or any of that crap.

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually Kate you are one of the few people I know that looks good/relaxed without makeup so I think you're right not to feel like you need it.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a vision of Kate going to the office coffeepot in full slap singing 'and we'll pretend that we're dead...'

Rah L7 revival!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never liked makeup on women. Maybe a little blush or lip gloss (I'm not flirting with Sarah, I swear) -- but much more beyond that, it seems depressing to me. Sometimes it makes me feel like you aren't confident enough, or that you think you wouldn't be pretty without it. Even with blemishes, natural skin is almost always more appealing to me because its, uh, natural. Or maybe I'm just not as interested in someone for whom appearance is a great concern.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

How come d00ds always seem to not like makeup?

Mandee, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

My theory is that they like it just fine on hotties they might pass in the street, but they want their special lady to feel that she can look natural in front of them. Which is quite right.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:50 (twenty-three years ago)

make up, pah, it's greasy, horrible and no fun to kiss. Nothing worse than kissing lips with freshly applied lipstick.

Same goes for moisturiser.

Personally Iam aiming for wringles and the sort of face where I can gurn my bottom lip over one of my ears.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Hippy ;-).

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

If it's GOOD moisturiser, then it will disappear into the skin and you wouldn't be able to tell that the person had even used it. Except that their skin was somewhat softer and less scaly.

Maybe I should stop using moisturiser and let myself get all scaly and then I would TURN INTO A TWELVE FOOT LIZARD!!!

kate, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread is fascinating.

I broached the m/f grooming habit split here, suzy, though I didn't really take it anywhere.

Maybe I'm not a "real man" as the only makup in my medicine cabinet is white clown makeup, with a black oilstick and red for the mouth.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracer, you are all man.

There have been periods in my life where I wore full face makeup daily, but they were very brief periods. Now I'm likely to do so only when getting really dressed up. Luckily though I have really great skin so thus far such make up is unneccesary.

Most days I wear mascara, eyeliner, lipstick. When I go out I'll add some powder, sparkly eye makeup and darker lipstick. That's it.

My mom is one of the woman who's full faced all the time. I'm too lazy.

That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I do the same thing, lipstick, eyeliner and mascara at work, full face only sometimes when I'm going out, and moisturizer if I'm staying home.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

To me moistruizer is just part of the daily hygiene routine. not makeup. (so that means, yes, I use it.)

That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

true

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I think it's kind of important to wear moisturizer. Not only for the SPF that most contain, but also because in this horrible climate my skin would be all dry and disgusting otherwise.

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Is it wrong for a dood to moisturize? I do. I do a whole Patrick Bateman routine.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Nope, you should.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:25 (twenty-three years ago)

When I do wear makeup, I wear too much (and then some) to make up for the days that I don't.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:25 (twenty-three years ago)

yay.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I apply a penis-enhancing rouge to my testicles every morning.

NA. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

TMI

I always wear makeup, eyeliner is the thing for the gods.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I would expect no less from a Manics fan.

Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Oi!

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:56 (twenty-three years ago)

When I did a play I would always "forget" to take my eyeliner off because I knew that it enhanced my already formidable powers of persuasion and undefinable creepiness.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.piumebruciate.com/blog/ildeserto/uncut.jpg

Do not deny the power of your lord and saviour, Ally.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

YES!

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I moisturise because my face is sore after shaving, and baby lotion soothes it. I don't wear any make up.

My wife of 23 years wore no make up 99 days out of 100, despite working in a proper professional job where she'd meet important people and stuff. It always seemed weird when she put it on.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

proper moisturization is very important. and actually, it was my boy who introduced me to the wonder that is Nivea. in fact, i think he's more fanatical about moisturising than i am. :)

as for other makeup, i'll do one of those all-in-one concealer/foundation/powder things, and it usually takes me less than 5 minutes to apply---and mostly because my skin has been a gigantic mess ever since i hit puberty. oddly enough, the stuff i use (Almay/Neutrogena/Shiseido) has honestly made my skin better. if i discontinue use for awhile, my skin gets worse. most people at work don't think i really wear makeup much; it's not very obvious. and the environments i've worked in (bar the few months i spent temping) have never been proper "office" jobs, anyway. no one blinks at my bright magenta hair, or the fact that my hair is regularly the most colourful thing about my attire as it's almost always baggy, black, comfy things. :)

of course, that all changes if something special's going on. if there's some Event i'm going to, i'll usually get dressed up for it---and i do tend to consider most makeup as being dressup type stuff. but of the sort where i'll do it when i feel like it, really. i do use it a lot for shows; can't imagine doing a show without a good waterproof black or charcoal eyeliner. :)

am also addicted to lip balm, however. nyum.

janni (janni), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not a fan of makeup at all really, though my skin looks much more even when I put foundation on - but I'm so pale, and thus have to use such pale foundation and powder that I look quite gothed up, so I only put makeup on if I go out to a club or something. I just can't be arsed with the whole routine, and I'm yet to meet a guy who prefers me with makeup on - they all say they think makeup is a bit of a waste. And its blech to snog in lippy.

I just wish my skin wasnt so red and blotchy, which is the only reason I cover it up in the first place.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...
I just pulled this up on the random page feature, and I was just thinking about this thread yesterday! I decided to throw on a tiny bit of eye shadow yesterday for the big annual company meeting in this fancy old hotel downtown. And then today I wore mascara to work for old times' sake. But it had been so long and my mascara really needs to be replaced - so I accidently jabbed it under my eye so that I looked like the Clockwork Orange dude for a while.

And, kate, I miss you!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Revive!

OK, I need to go back and read this thread again.

But I do note that Pinkpanther didn't post to it... (I don't think? I didn't read it very carefully.)

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha-ha, I did eventually get HSA to start using moisturiser. He protested and protested and made sarcky comments about "Girly products, yuck!" but then I managed to get him with some Body Shop Coconut Butter and he was hooked. And now there is no more scaliness in our house! (Except for in the kettle.)

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I hardly ever wear make up, before June the last time i bought any foundation was in 1998. I bought some Clinique stuff in July, not because the other had run out but because it was probably time, and have used it about three times. I was going to put some on yesterday, as I was feeling jetlagged and spotty, and as I was shaking it the bottle flew out of my hands, bounced off the fireplace and then smashed on the slate hearth, splashing foundation on my brand new suede boots. So I won't be wearing make up again for a while.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I wear make up each day because i think it looks nice & hides any spots i might have. I dont wear eyeshadow & lippie on a daily basis though, i save that for going out.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

See, I think this is the crux of the matter. Women should be free to do whatever they find comfortable/attractive. It's when other people have an expectation of what they *have* to do that it becomes problematic.

Now that I'm not performing any more, I find that I just don't wear makeup ever any more. I kind of have to make myself make the effort for social occasions like openings or parties, because I fear I will forget how to do it. (Also, my makeup going rotten is a big fear.)

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I love buying make up, i spend loads before i've realised! I am particularly in love with a green metallic eyeshadow i have at the moment.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

If I were in a job, and therefore being close to people every day, I'd have to wear it every day. I have some pretty ugly acne scarring and my closeup appearance really isn't acceptable without it. This is actually quite depressing, really...

ChrissieH (chrissie1068), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

It takes me all my time to pick something to wear in the mornings, never mind all that make up carry on! I cannot understand the make up to work thing either, I really don't like wearing make up during the day, it feels horrible after a while and I just wanna scrape it off.

That said I lurve putting on my slap for a night out, nothing fancy but I do wear clinique foundation, mascara & lippy (sometimes I even wear eye shadow too!). I like the way it makes me look and my boyf likes to see me made-up too,but I think that's more to do with the fact that it makes me feel good and therefore happy ;0)

smee (smee), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

That always makes me laugh. I never 'cake' my make up on, so I don't ever feel like i have any on! It's very light & not overlly noticeable.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Who said 'cake'?
I was brought up with the less is more make-up philisophy, my mum always said if people can't tell you're wearing it that's a triumph!

smee (smee), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought this is what you meant when you said about scraping it off. I could never scrape mine off as it is barely there. Most ppl dont realise!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh right! I just meant I feel like it's sorta a mask and as if I can feel the layer on my skin, even though I only put a wee tiny drop in with my moisturiser, y'know? It feels unnatural to me to be made up during the day but fine at night in a pub or club, which is prolly really weird....

smee (smee), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i cant ever notice mine, I mix some foundation in with moisturiser otherwise its horrible.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I was quite hardcore on this thread!

Still haven't worn any makeup in the intervening months. But I am actually missing it a bit at the moment, I think, because I can't afford the clothes I want and am feeling a bit despairing with my image in general. Maybe I will take my stifled creativity to my face instead of my body. Also I am in love with Stila packaging... though an eyeshadow probably costs as much as a new outfit anyway.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

But those Stila pots of eyeshadows last for years.. I still have mine from four years ago, and I've barely made a dent in them. I'm glad I invested (hah) in some nice makeup while I was employed, as now I am poor.

Mandee (Jerrynipper), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I sick and deranged for thinking that blush is THE essential makeup item? I guess it depends on if you've been blessed with cheek bones. I have none as far as I can tell.

Mandee (Jerrynipper), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never worn blush in my life. See, I've tried with lippie, but then given up because my mouth is big enough without artificial help. But I've never been able to do blush.

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Blusher just makes me look like Aunt Sally!

smee (smee), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Mandee wears blush v v well.

Aunt Sally blusher isn't too bad though - have you seen the Carlsberg bank ad? Rowr!

Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i love blusher, but then i have prominent cheek bones.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

On Would Like To Meet the other day they said how wearing lipstick can really detract attention from spots and bad skin. And it worked! I can't do lippy though as it just draws attention to my messed up lip :( And I don't trust myself (or mirrors) to use blusher judiciously. So if I do use makeup again it'll be eyes all the way...

Archel (Archel), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Wearing lipstick detracts attention to spots? Whenever I put on red lipstick it seems to make my spots gleam with pride.

Mandee (Jerrynipper), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Admittedly it looked like it worked ON TV...

Archel (Archel), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i dont understand the difficulties with blusher.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

What's it for? Where do I put it? Why do I want red spots on my cheeks? It's just all too much.

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

It's difficult to just say as it depends on your cheek. I think the technical term would be the apple of your cheek towards your hairline. But not in a think line.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, seeing as how you can't even tell me where on my cheek to put it, I feel justified in being confused by it.

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Look at Tania from BB4: do NOT apply your blusher like she did. Either on the apple of your cheeks which is the bit that goes fatter when you smile, or just under your cheekbones. In both cases, very carefully and start with a little as you can always add more.

Emma, Friday, 31 October 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The apple of your check towards your ear!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

??????????????????

I have apples in my cheeks? Only when I'm eating fruit! See, this is just so confusing.

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Just go for a brisk walk by the seaside on a cold day instead, it's probably an easier (and healthier) way of getting natural colour in your cheeks.

Emma, Friday, 31 October 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, there ain't no seaside in London (unless you mean the Embankment) but this is my preferred approach!

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Well this is kind of why I wear blusher - to put some colour in my pasty city cheeks in the absence of bracing fresh air.

Emma, Friday, 31 October 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Or you can just drink! Though that seems to bring colour to your nose as well as your cheeks!

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Sex has a similar effect.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 31 October 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, given a choice between booze, sex, or smearing some weird combination of dye, sillica and lambs fat on my cheeks, I know which I will take! ;-)

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Pinch your cheeks? Actually, just put your elbows on the desk and lean your cheeks on your hands, like a bored teenager. Works wonders!

Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's me with a load of blush on. This picture is laughable.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/317688/mandee3.jpg

Mandee (Jerrynipper), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Cheek pinching is an emergency measure only as if you do it too much it has some kind of negative effect (I read this somewhere and have forgotten the negative effect. Broken veins? Wrinkles? Famine & Pestilence? Who knows.)

Sex is better than drinking as a beauty tip as drinking gives you bloodshot eyes.

Emma, Friday, 31 October 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

But sex gives you bandy legs and love bites. Decisions...

Archel (Archel), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Not all sex ends up with love bites surely!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm just sayin... it's a risk you're going to take.

I wish I looked like I do just after sex all the time. Only not naked. Er. Actually what I wish is not to have started this paragraph at all.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha! My hair always gets really messed up!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I don't like the post-sex hairmuss, or the ropeburns.

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost - PinkP you're at it again!

I dunno about you but after sex I usually just look knackered and sweaty with sticky out hair..happy, granted but still a state!

smee (smee), Friday, 31 October 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha, I had forgotten what I posted here and it is true that I overcompensate. I wore no makeup all summer and now that it is winter I have become a drag queen again. I love the combo of raccoon eyes and preppie clothes -- they are the only way I can wear either one.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

*bows at smee*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

does the green metallic eye shadow resemble liza ?

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

liza?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

(Minelli. When talking to a lovely gay boy, that is the ONLY Liza that counts!)

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Excuse my ignorance! jeez! *slaps forehead*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I wouldn't expect you to know, as you are not a gay boy! ;-)

kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Liza Minelli blows. Destroys the myth that gay = good taste.

Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

shut up, Mark, LIZA RULES!!!!

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 31 October 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Indulge your Liza and makeup lurve all in one place!

Nicolars (Nicole), Friday, 31 October 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 October 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

ask the experts:

http://www.kissdominion.com/GNWEB.JPG
http://www.alicecooper.com/images/index_04.jpg

Skottie, Friday, 31 October 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Another bit I pinched from Christine (she's going to be cross when she wakes up and realises that I've started this whole thread without her...)

Naah, I'm just cross that I never got around to posting to this thread when it was first created.

Do people REALLY wear the stuff every single day of their lives, and if so, *why* would they do that to their skin?

Yes, I do. I do wear full-face makeup every day. It's a lot of fun, and I like to experiment with it. I don't, however, wear heavy makeup. I use a pale tinted moisturizer, light pink loose eyeshadow, very black mascara (one coat) on curled eyelashes, slightly sparkly light rose lipstick, and shell pink blusher. (I have hazel eyes, curly light brown hair with golden highlights and several silver hairs, and *very* pale ivory skin on a heart-shaped face.) It takes me less than five minutes to put on.

Cheek pinching is an emergency measure only as if you do it too much it has some kind of negative effect (I read this somewhere and have forgotten the negative effect. Broken veins? Wrinkles? Famine & Pestilence? Who knows.)

Broken veins. Actually, the *real* traditional way to make cheeks rosy without makeup was to scrape your cheeks with mullein leaves. Really.


Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Saturday, 1 November 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

When I work, I wear chapstick and mascara (if I remember). When I go out: lipgloss, mascara and dark eyeshadow as eyeliner. Blush and foundation make me look too kabuki.

Carey (Carey), Saturday, 1 November 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

felicity says she wears too much makeup to compensate for the days she doesn't wear any, but the times i've met her she seems to wearing a completely apt amount.

in high school i was anti-makeup (in that high school way, that prides authenticity and likes telling deep dark secrets to all and sundry) and then it was patiently explained by a friend how girls i didn't think were wearing makeup were indeed wearing makeup albeit in a careful and subtle fashion.

but of course even not-so-subtle makeup can be quite dazzling. it can also be off-putting. so it is with many things.

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I do like to put an apartment full of makeup on before I go to meet amateurist.

felicity (felicity), Sunday, 2 November 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, like i say, a completely apt amount.

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 2 November 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
Guys CLAIM they like girls without makeup...yet they go for the chicks who wear it! Fucking HYPOCRITES!! I HAVE to wear lipgloss or cream lipstick so that my lips look nice and plump. Without lipgloss or cream lipstick my lips look dry, thin and disgustingly UGLY!

PrettyPetite, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

shhhh!
they are too dense to *know* you are wearing it unless you look like Tammy Faye Baker.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)


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