Alejandro Jodorowsky

Our friend had really been talking it up, and I was worried that there was no way it could be as good as he claimed, but it was truly astonishing. Wackadoo, weird, wild, conspiracy theory, anti-religion, quasi-mystical nuttiness with a multimillion dollar budget. Total classic.

I used to have his e-mail address and I thought of maybe interviewing him for a time there but somewhere I heard he´s a real dick or something along those lines and then I lost the address and I cried and I cried. I waited far too long. Regret!

And yes, The Holy Mountain is the best cinematic acid trip eva!

The only movies of his you need to watch:
Fando Y Lis
El Topo
The Holy Mountain
Santa Sangre

great news:
new movie,produced by david lynch

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0892411/

long shot amirite

talking baot this in another thread previously i think.

http://i44.tinypic.com/w8rszd.jpg

We're Facebook buddies now!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0187679/

http://thesonsofeltopo.com/

“I liked Lady Gaga’s meat dress. It was funny. But I did that first in my Panic performance. Maybe she has seen what I’ve done – I don’t know. I like to think her song Alejandro was written for me. Her music is interesting. It’s interesting because it’s very free. But it has no meaning because what she’s singing has no hope. It is without hope. It’s only about revolution, which isn’t enough. We need a re-evolution right now, not a revolution. We need something new. Lady Gaga has a lot of energy and that is fantastic, but she is using old Surrealist images.

http://www.anothermag.com/current/view/1022/Alejandro_Jodorowsky_on_Lady_Gaga__Surrealism

lol @ I like to think her song Alejandro was written for me.

has anyone read his psychomagic book? is it worth reading for someone who has already drunk the jodo kool-aid, so to speak?

it is great. read it.

even if you haven't drunk the kool aid, it is jam-packed with jaw-dropping stories/anecdotes

just got his tarot book based upon your rec, love it

They didn’t like science fiction or rock music or… let’s not make a list: the Surrealists didn’t like anything!

lol

Could have sworn I mentioned this, but I guess not: blu-rays of El Topo and Holy Mountain coming out in a couple of weeks.

Dune doc

Wow, I wonder if they have any period footage or production art or anything? Or if it's just a bunch of talking heads? Will definitely watch either way.

there is a ton of production art out there. dunno about footage.

http://tarotica.blogspot.com/2009/06/dead-rabbitsor-much-perfection-is.html

Jodorowsky writes, again in his book El Topo:

"When I wanted to do the rape scene, I explained to [Mara Lorenzio] that I was going to hit her and rape her. There was no emotional relationship between us, because I had put a clause in all the women's contracts stating that they would not make love with the director. We had never talked to each other. I knew nothing about her. We went to the desert with two other people: the photographer and a technician. No one else. I said, 'I'm not going to rehearse. There will be only one take because it will be impossible to repeat. Roll the cameras only when I signal you to.' Then I told her, 'Pain does not hurt. Hit me.' And she hit me. I said, 'Harder.' And she started to hit me very hard, hard enough to break a rib...I ached for a week. After she had hit me long enough and hard enough to tire her, I said, 'Now it's my turn. Roll the cameras.' And I really...I really...I really raped her. And she screamed."

he says a bunch of shit like that in the dvd commentary too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Za7PlknnTw

nobody anticipating? or is there a thread for this I missed?

anticipating! still haven't seen his last one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rainbow_Thief

Jodorowsky's Dune documentary coming soon

excited

also for Dune doc!!

I've still never seen The Rainbow Thief, either, but I bought that boxed set that came out a few years ago (El Topo, The Holy Mountain, Fando y Lis and some short films, plus the soundtracks to El Topo and The Holy Mountain), and I got the recent DVD of Santa Sangre too. Would love to interview Jodorowsky.

he's disowned the Rainbow Thief fwiw, dunno if its worth watching

I feel pretty safe skipping TRT, and also that children's movie about elephants that he did. But yes, I'm super pumped for this as well!

is there an english language version of the trailer anywher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rtrd1FewUFA

this just came up on my Facebook feed lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rtrd1FewUFA

ok, PROBABLY NSFW since it won't embed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDxjkKDZLlo

want to see this so bad.

want someone to finish making jodo's dune.

I feel like this can't be anything but a disappointment, since it's just gonna dredge up feelings of wishing it had been made

some dune projects have begun, then been abandoned, over the past few years. i realize it's a very hard story to convert into a film, but so was the lord of the rings trilogy, and that was done very well.

I like the Lynch version fine, altho obviously its totally different than what Jodo would've done with it

you mean the theatrically-released version or the "director's cut"? i hear they're very different.

I was just reading about the propsed soundtrack for this thing, supposedly going to be split into thirds with Henry Cow, Pink Floyd and Magma.

you mean the theatrically-released version or the "director's cut"? i hear they're very different.

both

I don't recall any major differences tbh

I feel like this can't be anything but a disappointment, since it's just gonna dredge up feelings of wishing it had been made

― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, February 14, 2014 11:43 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this

never seen this poster art before

http://i.imgur.com/Z7cBVFp.jpg

I've been reading a lot of The Incal comic reprints lately. They have all been excellent so far.

Love the Dark Star mention in the Dune doc.

just saw the doc, it's great. inspirational, even.

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2014/04/30/kurt-stenzel-the-score-to-jodorowskys-dune/

Interview with the dude who did the analog synth score

score was great! film in general was p fun, not a ton of new stuff I didn't know but nice to see all the players reminiscing and some of the animatics were pretty cool.

Rad movie. Best parts were Jodo's stories about trying to recruit Dali and his reaction to seeing the David Lynch "Dune" but the whole thing was delightful.

Jodo answering people's requests for help on twitter is one of my favorite things ever

I guess I'll need to buy those expensive imports of Dance Of Reality and Dune documentary and hope they don't look crap on my DVD player.

Can that Orson Welles story possibly be true? It's hilarious, but... really?

such a lively character (84 year-old Jodorowsky), his conviction (enthusiasm, bitterness etc.) is so apparent, it's really inspiring.

"Such a lively character" He is like a perfect composite of all the worst aspects of every pretentious bore you could meet in a lifetime and his movies are childish fucking idiotic garbage.

I've no doubt his Dune would have been a royal mess. I get the impression Jodorowsky has a lot of interest in the visual, stylistic, and iconographic potentialities in Dune, but he hardly talks about the story at all.

lynch's dune is a mess

A great mess

So uh... a customer brought in an old, illustrated/storyboarded script for Jodorowsky's Dune. I'm going to try to get photos of the illustrations because they're kind of awesome. Don't know who did them - doesn't look like Moebius or anything. This doesn't look exactly like the book in the documentary, btw.

"Such a lively character" He is like a perfect composite of all the worst aspects of every pretentious bore you could meet in a lifetime and his movies are childish fucking idiotic garbage.

― xelab, Sunday, November 2, 2014 6:17 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's harsh. i have to admit he comes across as really charming in the documentary about his abortive attempt at "dune", but i still couldn't help thinking "if this movie ever got made, it would be terrible." i kind of like some of jodorowsky's films, but they're essentially kitsch.

he has really clean veneers these days

although interestingly i think the david lynch dune has the same essential problem as i imagine a jodorowsky dune would have. lynch doesn't seem very engaged in the complex story and it comes across as incoherent, so it's really just one stunning visual after another with not much to anchor them.

i still enjoy watching it, though, almost as an art installation rather than a narrative.

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/39988623-d34d-43c7-b496-0b512bdc8d8d_zpsg1tvtadr.jpg

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/0320Emperor_zpselrmvpjd.jpg

Like, I have no idea who drew these. They may actually be early sketches by someone connected to Jodorowsky himself. They don't have the finished look of the things I've seen in the movie.

The Jodorowsky's Dune documentary, that is. Also sorry I'm a shitty photographer.

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/0420Baron20Harkonnen_zpsany9csfa.jpg

Wow v cool

hot

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/1420Thufir20Hawatt_zpssnthzkb1.jpg

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/1220Bene20Gesserit20Mother_zpsberqbw8b.jpg

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/1820Sardaukar_zpsdmwc3wgi.jpg

I doubt this stuff is directly related to Jodo's DUNE. It doesn't look like his own drawings (as in "Fabulas Panicas") and dude had top tier illustrators/artists on his team. This looks more like Mingering Mike!

Oh wait! GOTT -these accompanied the actual film script?

Yeah it's bizarre. The script is titled DUNE by Alejandro Jodorowsky, and the customer who brought it in is a reliable guy and says he got it in the 70s... it's a mystery. But I love it.

The book is bound, btw, but the illustrations look like they were originally in a 3-hole binder and are on a different stock than the typed script.

Wow. Make a PDF of that script, please!!

That is pretty amazing! Wow!

That would be Dali as Emperor of the Galaxy.

put it on eBay for $2,000 and see what happens

I really don't know much about Jodorowsky's films or other writing but both The Incal and The Technopriests are fantastic comic novels.

Yeah, scan that thing at the highest rez you can, then list it on eBay for laughs

We're listing it for the guy who brought it in, so it'll be interesting to see how that goes. I'm going to at least try to photograph all of the plates, if I can I'll scan it. Don't want it to disappear into some dude's library forever...

So these dog aliens land on a planet and

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/Dogmen/Jodo-033_zpstlbnz3ba.jpg
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/Dogmen/Jodo-034_zpseqvgcmgm.jpg
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/Dogmen/Jodo-035_zpswyaxqnn5.jpg
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/Dogmen/Jodo-036_zpszbmjuloi.jpg
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/Dogmen/Jodo-037_zpsfft6hja2.jpg
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/Dogmen/Jodo-038_zpsc2osl6gf.jpg
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/Dogmen/Jodo-039_zpst8dzqots.jpg
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/Dogmen/Jodo-041_zpsouwvvfvm.jpg
http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah201/ohnoitsjodo/Dogmen/Jodo-040_zpsknrqmoko.jpg

Scanning this thing is a pain in the ass btw.

Wtf?! Crazy

When George Harrison learned this company, Apple, was going to produce my film The Holy Mountain on John Lennon’s recommendation, he asked to read the script. Then he expressed a desire to play the lead role, that of the thief. Dressed completely in white, he received me in his elegant suite at the Plaza Hotel in New York. He offered me some melon juice with cinnamon and congratulated me on the script. He said that he was prepared to play the role on condition that we cut one scene, which he read aloud: “At an octagonal sink, next to a veritable hippopotamus, the alchemist bathes the thief, turns him over on his back, his buttocks facing the camera, and rubs soap over his anus.”

With an amiable grin, he said, “It’s quite out of the question for me to expose my anus in public.”

Those script pages are even worse than the pix. Just started reading Dune; doubtimg there's anything so room-temperature-IQ middle school in this novel (hope not)

The dog pages are the ones I'm referring to.

haha, those pages are amazing. Don't think I've ever seen any of his script or if it is even out there at all for people to see. He truly did not care about or even know about the details of the Frank Herbert book. One of the biggest problems with the David Lynch version is how slavishly he tries to mimic the style of the novel with all of the unnecessary internal monologues. Jodorowsky, on the other hand, seems to have decided to just make up his own story from scratch.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, would you mind if I posted those pictures on my tumblr? I have a lot of both Dune and Jodorowsky stuff on there.

Sure, man. Cool Tumblr btw!

We're starting the auction next Tuesday. I'll post some more scans from it sometime soon, including the crazy "Oh, yes this is definitely Jodorowsky" section where Jessica gets pregnant with Paul.

Please don't post ALL of them, though, if you don't mind.

I've had Holy Mountain on my memory stick waiting to be watched for the last couple of months. not sure what prompted me to get a load of his stuff a few months ago. But just not been getting around to watching anything until today.
So I finally got to see that Holy Mountain today and it is weird isn't it? Not sure how self consciously.
You can see the influence of things like Un Chien Andalou and L'Age D'Or in it.

I do love those hats they have though I think I might go for a lower crown on them if I got one.

find his recent campaign to put his films up on vimeo for free endearingly insane (distributor for Dance of Reality is already blocking it, so now Jodo says he's putting up Santa Sangre next lol)

Dammit, I really want to see Dance Of Reality. Doubting a region 2 release.

Looks like its still up on vimeo

Cant find his Vimeo channel.

Noticed by Dangerous Minds.

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/sketches_for_jodorowskys_dune_i

Cool! BTW my laptop died so unless and until I can figure out if the drive is readable that's probably the only stuff that'll be around. I'm extremely annoyed - spent days scanning that thing. But hopefully it can be salvaged.

Artificial Eye are finally doing a region 2 of Dance Of Reality

https://t.co/Pp5bb6dFQ5

Hell yes that's an amazing speech.

86 did he say? That man is alive!

doin somethin right

Just caught Dance Of Reality on its last day of cinema screening. Aside from rough cgi near the start, a little rough acting and a few things that didn't look quite right, I liked this a lot. I'll probably even buy the dvd in a couple of weeks.
I really didn't expect this to be about the father so much. Loved the singing mother, she's so beautiful.

Looks like Endless Poetry has been funded.

82 simple rules http://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_key_to_immortal_consciousness_the_82_commandments_of_alejandro_jodorows

#82 sounds helpful, Herzog’s list of advice for filmmakers preferable though.

Cant remember thread or idiot poster that was claiming jodo is an atheist but:

JodoEnglish (@AlejodoEnglish) tweeted at 11:52 AM on Wed, Sep 16, 2015:
They are only wrong when they say "God does not exist". In everything else the atheists are right.

endless poetry is very personal and romantic (almost a manifesto), also funny (cake scene wth), and invigorating

17. Do not allow yourself to be impressed by strong personalities. - Jodorowsky OTM

Probably going to have to miss this on cinema because I'm getting a cold.

This dude's old enough that seeing this thread revived filled me with dread.

He's pretty confident that he'll get past 100 and he does seem in really good condition.

Although the route of the artist who does annoying shit to annoy his parents is a bit hippie-ish and I don't know if I need to hear another tribute to the counterculture, and its annoying from a Western POV there was counter-balance in 1) Parra's 'boring' teacher/poet, 2) his parents were fascists, and Chile was a fascist state.

I really liked Parra's 'Anti-poems' (should be re-issued imo) and this short story about Lihn by Roberto Bolano is fantastic: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/12/22/meeting-with-enrique-lihn

Love that. I'm always going to have an appetite for tributes to the counterculture. I think it just caught me at the right time, I really enjoyed it

Might be able to see it Thursday if this cold goes away fast but probably not. The disc is out in March.

dance of reality was unexpectedly one of the greatest films i have ever seen about sons and fathers.

endless poetry def has its moments, but i found a rather long portion of the middle a bit indulgent, or without using that tired word, a bit whimsical. esp as he is so pretentious, and his actual art did not seem that impressive (i felt something similar watching paterson... admittedly this might be my feelings about much poetry). i think its also his son's performance. theres something a bit too plain about him. which might have been the point. but the younger actor who played AJ as a child was a more expressive actor than his own son playing him as a young adult.

went to a double bill of the two latest ones today; dance of reality I enjoyed much more this time around, endless poetry started to wear me out after a while for the reasons others have given and also because I'd kind of had enough AJ by then - per xelab above, he undeniably has a childish streak (and is 1000% a hippy lol) & this can make two two-hour films feel like a real marathon. Pamela Flores (in a double role as mother/lover in EP) is easily the best thing about both films.

Oh also as a fan of disgusted walkouts from Cambridge's merlot-and-popcorn types I had to lol at sitting through 3 hours of jodorowsky (inc an 18 rating for "strong torture" in dance of reality) only to decide that a woman menstruating is just too much

Got the Dune documentary. A little annoyed that there was no mention of Henry Cow involvement.
Interesting about his hatred of film stars shaping the film industry. Makes you wonder why he thought putting up with Dali was a good idea other than respect for his work.

Richard Stanley's accent fascinates me. There should be a documentary about south African accents.

Don't think I really praised Dance Of Reality enough. I found that scene of the father working with the horse very moving when he looked so happy.

dance of reality is seriously incredible.
i hope he finishes all the other films he has planned in this current series.

He comes across as so much more likeable and practical than Gilliam that one could almost imagine that he wasn't as completely impossible and then you remember he was gonna cast Dali and Welles and ah well t was a nice dream a beautiful dream

Young Jodo was such a completely different person to current Jodo. Read any interviews c. "El Topo" and be prepared to be immersed in glorious batshit insanity.

I do wonder if they could have done Dune without Dali because his conditions were just insane.

I enjoyed Endless Poetry but much less than Dance Of Reality. I thought it was a shame that his father's redemption was taken away. I've got mixed feelings about how miraculous and wonderful everything is treated as, on one hand it makes everything seem underwhelming because it's not living up to his hype, on the other hand Jodorowsky seems to really believe in it all and there's something really nice about how much value he places in art, even if it's in a cliched and arrogant way. I thought some of the poems were really nice.

I wonder if you actually wonder if they could have done it without dali

Why would the film studio care about Dali? Especially when he was asking for so much.

I can wonder if you actually wonder that without having a conversation about it

But can we just clarify if you are sitting there pondering whether or not one of the five billion other people on the planet couldn't have played the three minute role in question

Because that seems an extraordinary thing to do. Extraordinary.

Don't know what you're getting at but if there's other threads I have to read I'll leave it.

http://www.tor.com/2017/05/02/jodorowskys-dune-didnt-get-made-for-a-reason-and-we-should-all-be-grateful/

Partially about his claim that he raped the actress in El Topo.

Also, see his tweet in the comments.

Is anybody in this thread in possession of the alleged screenplay?

I had the same reaction to the documentary as the author of the tor.com article. Went in expecting to be fascinated as per other people’s recommendations, but about halfway through something inside snapped, the emperor had no clothes, and it made me furious.

The Island Of Dr Moreau documentary is waaaayyy better but I still think the Dune one is worth a go.

I think his other films have their moments (especially Holy Mountain) but Santa Sangre and Dance Of Reality are the only ones I love.

Still haven't seen Endless Poetry

Holy Mountain > Santa Sangre > El Topo

I've never seen Tusk, The Dance of Reality or Endless Poetry (or Fando y Lis, though I own the Anchor Bay box set that has it).

I really like The Dance of Reality. Has more heart than his other films, while still being batshit crazy.

It's funny how the world's caught up to Jod - not just all the music videos and even fashion photo shoots that have stolen from The Holy Mountain over the years, but the fact that there are probably a half dozen telenovelas crazier than Santa Sangre by now.

I'm guessing ST Vincent was referencing him?

Got a link? I don't really know her work.

https://www.discogs.com/St-Vincent-St-Vincent/master/657709

hey TKGE can you email me again and put your address in the body of the email?

whoops forgot i could email you through here sorry everyone

there's a song called "huey newton" on that St Vincent album, I always figured the cover as a ref to the famous photo of him

So those script scans upthread from march 2015 (Alejandro Jodorowsky) ...

In March 2015 a script, an apparent early draft of Dune written by Jodorowsky, appeared on eBay. When asked on Twitter about it Jodorowsky replied: "Es un falso guión con un dibujo idiota." ("It is a fake script with an idiot drawing.")

https://www.duneinfo.com/unseen/jodorowskys-dune-uncovered

Oh wait... In August 2018 however, official copies of the Jodorowsky's Dune script were sent out to backers of Jodorowsky's "Psychomagic, an art that heals" project on Ulule (https://www.ulule.com/jodorowsky/), and this script is almost identical to the "fake" script.

The real deal, yours for around 30,000 euros (estimated):

https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6345488

2.7 million euros!

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/nov/22/film-storyboards-for-doomed-1970s-version-of-dune-sell-for-266m?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Whoa

like everything else related to Dune, if you didnt get it before the remake came out, you are going to be paying a lot more for it now..

(goes to ebay, searches for Bruce Pennington cover of GEOD and then faints.)

This is a book of original art by Moebius & HR Giger. Did Christies really think it would fetch only $35K?

Oops – should have read to the end (1 of 10-20 copies). Yeah, $3M is something.

A big chunk of that book is available online in decent scans. The storyboards are great. I think there's no way a quarter of that version of Dune as seen in the sboards would've made it onscreen.

‘The Holy Mountain’ is way more preposterous and lurid than even films like Fellini’s ‘Satyricon’ or Pasolini’s ‘Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom’

It is the ultimate 1973 film

of the experimental films from that era, though, I liked Kenneth Anger's 'Lucifer Rising' (1972) and its Bobby Beausoleil score

still haven't seen Pink Narcissus (1971)

There were regular double bills of El Topo and The Holy Mountain in Toronto for many years while they were being kept out of distribution in the States by Allen Klein. Apparently it was a contractual requirement for them to be shown together; I watched them both on the same night and that was WAY too much Jodorowsky at once.
I just saw Santa Sangre recently, with no particular expectations, and was really pleasantly surprised. For a filmmaker who I tend to think of as having a narrow range of effects (doing one particular thing very well), there was a lot of humour and emotional depth to the story that was entirely compatible with the usual grotesquerie. The Dance of Reality, which I saw a few years ago, was soulful in the same way, but I had supposed that that was a recent development in his style, related to the film being autobiographical. I'd probably rank him above Fellini now.

he doesn't even come close to Fellini

Love Jodo for the most part but no way he even touches Fellini as a filmmaker.

Fantastic Planet would be my 1973 experimental pick.

The comparison of the two came to mind because of the circus milieu of Santa Sangre. My personal view on Fellini is that he peaked early with I Vitelloni, and got bigger not better.

Sante Sangre is included in my Kanopy subscription, I will watch it

Wish there were more films like it. Bit of a shame it isn't as well known as El Topo and Holy Mountain

Santa Sangre is free (with ads) on Tubi if anyone needs to see it.

I bought the bluray of it last year from Mr Bongo who issued it.
https://www.mrbongo.com/collections/film/products/santa-sangre

i finally saw Holy Mountain, last night, in a small room. the colors were bright, the sounds were loud. i thought all the scenes with the fool carrying his replica around were so good. climbing that giant tower, then the alchemist descending the staircase in the slowest of realtime motion. at the end, the alchemist sending the fool home with the woman and chimpanzee who have been following him, before he can reach the top of the mountain. lots to think about.

i wish i were a little more versed in all the symbolism that permeates the film. for example, i recognized these symbols when they appeared and thought it was from the i ching,

https://i.imgur.com/4JcA7v9.png

but they're from something else in taoism, the eight trigrams, and represent Heaven and Earth

https://i.imgur.com/C6kfw7n.png

i might do some internet hunting and see if i can find a shot-by-shot breakdown of the symbolism throughout the movie. would like to watch El Topo soon as well! also, are his 21st century films good?

I like The Dance of Reality, Endless Poetry is a decent sequel but not as good.

i think the new ones were supposed to be a part of a 5-film autobiographical series? i wonder if that's been abandoned or if the scripts/screenplays are somewhat developed

really want to track down the Incal, as well

I think Santa Sangre and Dance Of Reality are his best

Maybe I posted on another thread, I got the incal a couple of christmases ago. It was abysmal.

He's been paired with some truly stunning comic artists. His plots are nonsense, but I'm willing to roll with it and enjoy the art.

I gave up on The Incal pretty early. Moebius was not fully operational and I think even Jodorowsky was disappointed in his work there.

Santa Sangre is great, an ultra-lurid telenovela-style horror movie. But it's a regular movie-movie, with a plot and whatnot, not a pure yank-your-brain-out-your-ass shotgun blast of symbolism like The Holy Mountain. I don't think any movie on earth is like The Holy Mountain, really.

I will not stand for this nonsense Incal talk. Moebius "not fully operational"?!? As opposed to...?

I think all his famous comics from before that had better artwork. I wasn't that impressed by his art on Madwoman Of The Sacred Heart either

Incal is 3rd tier Moebius in my view