This is the thread for the official ILX MANFAP! Grrrrrrrrrr.

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On the same day as the GirlFAP, as decided on the Glass Bar thread, we, the menfolk of ILX, should meet up in a testerone-drenched London pub somewhere and talk about the Big Manly things we usually talk about at male-dominated FAPs. You know, like Buffy and cookery and girly pop music and stuff.

I'm assuming this will involve some sort of cross-gender meetup towards the end of the night. Any ideas venue-wise?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I get on your thread and be all disruptive and shit?

(Though I'm slightly annoyed in that the men will probably be better organised and come up with a date much quicker, cause, well, they're losers and dont' have social lives, hah!)

:-P

― kate (kate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Though wait, you HAVE TO HAVE it on the same night as our girly FAP, so we have something to do with our menfolk! So you are in the same quandary as us and slave to our social whims! Tee hee hee!

― kate (kate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm. The last FAP was a manFAP unintentionally. It's not really like we need a greater concentration of testosterone at FAPs, but okay, this sounds fun. Was the 22nd suggested?

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Would I be a voracious flirt to turn up at the GirlFAP? Not that I'll go to either, in all probability.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

We still haven't resolved the date issue. (Though we have resolved the Dating Issue in that MENG ARE NOT ALLOWED AT GIRLFAP!!!)

― kate (kate), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Now listen
I wanna try something right now
See they don’t do this anymore
I’m a sing something
and I want the guys to sing with me...

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll be a gurl.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I think a Friday night is probably the best bet for this event...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll be a gurl

You're too orangey for gurls

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Gurls are just for me and my dog.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Saturday is best as it will be easier for pinkpanther to attend then

let's just make it a full on battle of the sexes and have done with it - what games can be contested between the two parties? maybe we can rope in Ian Wright as arbiter?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Why thank you kindly Sir! ;-)

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

on-thread...grebt idea. Particularly like the cunning way you suggest that we should unite the tribes come the end of the night ~~so we find out what has gone on and how many people turned up so we can larf~~* in a gesture of peace and wuv to the laydeez.

* - GurlFAP = gigantic trip to toilet by women = men have gigantic level of curiousity matched by gigantic lack of knowledge.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Call your boys cause tonight you're not gonna stay at home,
So tell your girl she ain't coming tonight you're goin' solo [cough]
Cut her off cause she talks the noise you know you've,
Got the right to get your party on so get your hair cut
And your car washed too, lookin' like a star, your Armani suit,
You need to look your best cause you're turnin' heads tonight
You're gonna find a sexy chica that's gonna dance all night if you wanna.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Games - maybe a bit like when Rugby Union clubs played Rugby League clubs - a half under each's rules. So we have game nominated by the meng and then one nominated by the gurls, I vote for pissing into a urinal from 2 metres away from said urinal early doors.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Enrique, you are very funny today!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

um Dave, you're nominating that game for the boys right?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like this games idea - it'll all blow up in our face when someone suggests Thumb War and Mark C loses to all the girls.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i notice the girls are now suggesting that we leave this until the new year

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yeh doesn't look good. oh well, nice idea - and all because i just wondered what the Glass Bar was like

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps the girls should organise the boys' FAP and vice versa.

― Alfie (Alfie), Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

They would be bouzing tonight, and we would be thirsty bunnies for some time to come.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I am undefeated at Thumb War, thank you.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Though you may have lost a few Thumb Battles?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I am the Dunkirk of Thumnb War.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

OK gents, let's get to it here. I'm a relatively new London ILXor, and this idea sounds spiffy, since you seem like such a nice group of folks and the Ned/Tom FAP was crazy and loud and I didn't really get to meet everyone.

What about picking a weekday, so it avoids potential weekend conflicts?

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

i think we should just have a normal FAP and forget the gender segregation for now as it seems too difficult for the ladies (purely because of their hectic schedules i should add)

i'm pretty good for any night/day tho as i prioritise ILX over all else

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Defn of a true interweb mentalist there...

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

do not mock the afflicted

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

You can call it that if you like, I call it something else....

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 30 October 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

ahem karaoke fap ahem

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 30 October 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay! Karaoke fap!

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The ladies say the 22nd.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I wanna go bowling.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

that's a good idea - the FAPs could converge at a suitable location with bowling facilities

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

WELL TELL HIM HE CAN FUCKIN UNPOST IT!!!

― Donnie (Enrique), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(Though we have resolved the Dating Issue in that MENG ARE NOT ALLOWED AT GIRLFAP!!!)
-- kate (masonicboo...), October 30th, 2003.

Which FAP should transvestites, trasgendered, hermaphrodites etc attend?

(I'm no asking for myself, just out of curiosity you understand)

― mei (mei), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

you should all go to a gay bar as the women are going to a lesbian one - show 'em your liberalness and endear yo'selves back into theitr lives

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Wily as a fo -- oh, right.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, can we go to a gay bar? It'd make a nice change. The 22nd, then?

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Admiral Duncan it is!

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

But don't gayu bars allow women? All the ones I've been to do.

Okay, all the _one_ I've been to does.

― mei (mei), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

No actually, there was that other one we thought was just a pup but then ther was that whicker bowl of free condoms by the gents and the Gay Times laying around...

― mei (mei), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

would a men-only gay bar be more 'welcoming' than a women-only gay bar, that's the question

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the idea that the all-girl FAP _must_ be masculated at some point is at best a bit pathethic. Particularly since this thread started on the other one, and there was no-one there saying "we MUST meet the boys at some point".

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i think they pretty much all allow women, at least all the ones i've ever been to. i was dicking around. after all by the law of averages it's not too much of a stretch to surmise that at least a few of male ilx0rs might actually really welcome going to one! but i'll try to drop down for a pint or so in the name of solidarity...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not really down with this whole vibe to be honest. I want us all to go bowling.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew sorta OTM.

― Enrique (Enrique), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not really down with this whole vibe to be honest. I want us all to go bowling.

But Jel, what about all that fabled 'male bonding'?

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I would like to go bowling with y'all. Also, we could have one lane for chix0rs and one for chaps!

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

But Jel, what about all that fabled 'male bonding'?

Jel, it doesn't hurt if you relax.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I should be allowed to come to this as I have no ovaries.

― Lara (Lara), Thursday, 30 October 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Andrew - actually, it was more or less mutually agreed to have synchronised FAPs on The Glass Bar thread (from whence all this madness sprouted).

If we were doing it JUST to annoy the girls then it would be pretty sad but that's not really intended to be the spirit of the thing.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 October 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

(ie having a simultaneous BlokeFAP was the girls idea in the first place)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 October 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Gosh, it's hard to imagine Mark C in a gay bar...

I'm with jel on this. You don't improve an evening by excluding Vicky/Anna/Emma/Lixi/Sarah/Cis/etc. any more than you improve it by excluding Sinkah/Tom/Tim/Pete/Chris/Alan/etc., and I have failed to notice where sexism or an overly male atmos has had a negative effect on anyone at FAPs.

Anyway, I'm bisexual which makes me eligible for either one.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 30 October 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I've spotted a flaw in your logic, Martin...

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 30 October 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It's mostly a private joke. At least a decade ago a twat I used to know was annoying a girl at a party. Eventually she turned around (literal, not figurative) and shouted at him to leave her alone because she was a lesbian. "That's all right," he said. "I'm bisexual myself." (This was the most blatant would-be-cool-political bisexuality I've ever encountered, incidentally.)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 30 October 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha, that's pretty toecurling alright. Maybe someone should have suggested that his posession of the twat nature was the angle to work.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 30 October 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Divvying up by what parts you've got sounds fun! We could also have "the blue-eyed FAP" and "the brown-eyed FAP" and scientists could record our actions.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

This is a man who, within six lines of his announcement, after moving from Eton to university, that he was now an anarchist, was moaning that his tenants weren't treating him with enough respect! I feel rather mean talking about him like this, because he was very nice to me, but I couldn't find it in me to like him.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost - that last was obviously not about Tracer but the fool I was discussing before!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

But, Tracer, what about the green-eyed ~~monsters~~ people?

― cis (cis), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, can we go to a gay bar? It'd make a nice change. The 22nd, then?

i'm down with this.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

And then afterwards meet the chixors at LAZER QUEST.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I still think we could co bowling. I didn't even know you Brits had bowling alleys. Do they do those crazy 'midnight madness' nights with black lights and music and stuff? Wicked.

But hey, gay bar is cool too. I've only been to gay bars in Toronto and they tended to have better music than regular clubs. Although sometimes I feel that as a straight guy I'm taking the piss by being there. Or maybe the 'regulars' don't give a shit and I'm being overly sensitive... Plus I admit I find it flattering when I get hit on (that sounds lame I know).

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:18 (twenty-two years ago)

To be honest it's easier for me actually if it's not an all girl affair due to the very logistics of me coming, but i can understand why it is happening & it is explained on the glass bar thread. I like the idea of all of us going bowling.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The first NYC ILx FAP was held at a gay bar due to my insistence, and it was a great success in spite of certain principal members having to leave early.

(On second thought, I think this was pre-ILx and post-a.m.a. Still...)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, my point being that from experience, you want a gay bar that's really more a neighborhood bar than a meat-market. (I suppose that's obvious.)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Bowling is a good idea. Going to a gay bar is also a good idea. This FAP would be better if there were girls present.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

You know, a century ago, men would have been UP IN ARMS at the mere suggestion that ladies should actually be allowed along on their drinking expeditions. NOW the men are all up in arms because we dare to have a FAP by ourselves.

You know that we'll all end up at the Spanish Bar afterwards, so what does it really matter?

― kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

what? i think we all think the FFAP is a good idea, only because FAPs are so male dominated by and large anyway. the MFAP is a bit pointless for this same reason.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:47 (twenty-two years ago)

So what about a fap where ALL the ladeez attend?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

the MFAP involves booze => it is not "a bit pointless".

i'm still keen on the gay bar idea, but on a saturday night in the centre of town it may be hard to find somewhere that won't be packed.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 31 October 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

What about doing the separate faps in the afternoon then & meeting up in the evening?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I am getting the impression that Matt DC sees every FAP as a potential shagfest, hence his opposition to there not being any girls/being obliged to sample some manlove.

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

p.s. I like Pinky's latest suggestion v much, and I still like the idea of Lazer quest. And bowling.

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The curmudgeon in me is railing wildly against all this separate FAP business but I can't work out why, it just all seems a bit rub. And the curmudgeon in me's feelings on bowling are well known.

― chris (chris), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh heavens, Chris, it's a laugh, an experiment, A CHANGE. Life's homogenous enough without fogeys getting all huffy whenever someone suggests something different.

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The boys could go drink Real Ale and play bar billiards at the Head Of Steam - thus only being 100 yards away, but half a world. And then wander down to the Irish Bar for the meet up for late doors beers.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I do like the idea of a big meet-up at the end. I know it must be daunting to women who haven't been to a lot of FAPs, because going to *any* FAP is fairly daunting to start with.

I just really like the idea of an all-girl one where we get to talk to each other for a change, because I've been to lots of FAPs were we didn't, and I'm quite sick of people talking about "Oh all FAPs are all male affairs" when I was at the FAP in question!

Wait, what thread am I on? I'm so confused, we've got three threads on the same topic. Four, if you count the original.

― kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Do we know of any gay bars which would welcome a large bunch of (mostly) straight Interweb geeks who were only going there as a lame stab at in-jokey conceptual unity? Just asking like.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. The Admiral Duncan.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, there are enough poofs among us to jsutify gaybarism, surely? It fills there coffers and gives them eye candy (stevem and Matt DC to thread).

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me clarify, it's the whole "if the girls are having a separate FAP then so should us blokes" thing that is a bit rub, I mean it's not as if we're missing out on anything, most FAPs are bloke-heavy anyway,

And bowling is shit

― chris (chris), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Some of us just wanted something to do with our menfolk to keep them out of our hair while we were GirlFAP-ing. That said, I wonder if HSA would actually go to a ManFAP on his own. He really liked everyone he met at the last FAP, so I suspect he might. So long as Julio is there to talk about experimentalist music with him!

― kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

So my idea up thread...???

x-post I fear J wont!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

if i constitute the Admiral Duncan clientele's idea of eye candy then it is truly TIME TO WORRY

Matt DC gets hit on by guys everywhere tho ;)

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The point people are missing is that it is still a night in the pub and nights in the pub are fun.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

reasons why chris b is wrong #1:

http://www.virtualurth.com/pages/cez/lebowski2.gif

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Pinkpanther's monosex daytime, multisex nighttime idea best.

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Errrrr... multisex? I want no lezzing up, and I want no orgies, neither!

― kate (kate), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

*sulks*

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

*pouts*

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't want to be in stevem's scrotum right now.

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

So at what point would you want to be?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

mark c is a BAD MANG, i cast thee out

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Is he Steve? Is he?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, but a demon in the sack

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Euw!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

even more euw if i were to make the obvious follow-up there

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It didnt need to be made!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

oh....good...

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

You'd better hope I'm not one of those demons with a pitchfork.

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

*shudders*

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

man it sure is itchy down there

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That'll be Mark's new habit of shaving!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The boys could go drink Real Ale and play bar billiards at the Head Of Steam

this is clearly the best plan that anyone's seriously suggested.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, a bar billiards showdown is a great idea

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

No bar billiards table at the Head of Steam any more boys. Your only chance wd be at the Glasshouse or indeed that other boozer on Great Portland Street with the name I can't remember.

Call yourself meng, eh.

― Sarah (starry), Friday, 31 October 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

I'm reviving this because the women are meeting in the afternoon in the Foundry tomorrow, Saturday, and we are apparently welcome for the evening - 6pm seems acceptable so I'll aim at that. According to Suzy, the Foundry is at the "corner of Old Street and Great Eastern Street, London EC2. Tube to Old Street. Walk east on Old Street and you can't miss it," and I'm sure she knows what she is talking about.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

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