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Defend the Indefensible: British People Not Rinsing Soap Off the Dishes

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Well? I'm sure some of you have got a very clever answer for this one.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

My mum rinses soap off the soap. You'd stand no chance, Tracer.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

it starts breaking down the grease in a full english breakfast b4 it reaches yr stomach = healthier obv

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

there's is so little soap left on dishes, it doesn't adhere, it's a rinsing agent any way.

and its detergent, not soap if you wan to get technical

Ps have you lost your phone cos you ought to have replied to an invite for toad an ultimate brookside

― Ed (dali), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

That's extraordinarily fucked up, as my wife is British and she is SO guilty of this crime (which is why I insist on doin' the dishes).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

If I look at the foam on top of my beer and the suds have that oily rainbow sheen to them it makes me feel like glassing somebody.

― TOMBOT, Monday, 3 November 2003 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, that's one way of getting you to do them, then;>

(x-post)

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

oiliy glassy sheen is due to lack of detergent .: grease, not non rising.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

toad an ultimate brookside?

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed I am so there!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I always rinse the soap off and assumed everyone did? this thread baffles me!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

northern softies!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, how did grease get in my beer glass, then? Disgusting. Also I'm not buying that shit for a minute. Soap suds are soap suds and I know them when I see them.

― TOMBOT, Monday, 3 November 2003 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

grease = off last user

soap is nice ya big layMoRz

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

soap is better than dust.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

My landlady's Trinidadian grandmother says it's why English people are so crazy, because they have soap in their heads.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Soap is where the vitamins and nutrients come from.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

it is better, even, than moon dust.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Soap is also bad for your dentition, apparently.

― TOMBOT, Monday, 3 November 2003 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

mmm soap. (froths at the mouth)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

moon soap must be the best.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah you need some of those to supplement an ENGLISH MEAL

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

english don't need no stinkin dentition

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Is this thread suggesting that the British rinse a dish, soap it up with dish detergent, and then put it in the drying rack without rinsing the soap off?? I cannot belive that.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 3 November 2003 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

haha mark's first answer to this thread = proven by science!!

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

what is this "rinse"

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM A WEREWOLF AOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

procedure:
i. buy plate
ii. cook meal
iii. put meal on plate
iv. eat meal off plate
v. put detergent on plate
vi. goto ii.

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

rinsin'

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

it's like a wok, you build it up in layers for betta flavour w.added fatty breakdown

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Ew. Surely you'd be better off just never washing your plates at all? I mean, it's much better to be eating off a plate with remnanats of yesterday's food than with a layer of fucking detergent!? Right?!

http://movieweb.com/movie/zoolander/co9.jpg

I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!!

― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

leftovers PLUS detergent = win-win!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"Persil" is not a basic nutrient.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

no it's a vitamin

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

vitamin P-Badly

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

leftovers PLUS detergent = win-win!!

Congealing food is not attactive on a date....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

it's ok if it's hidden under fairy liquid surely (mmmm lemon-zesty)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"may cause burning sensation and mild fustiness"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

is that the food or the soap tracer?

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Sinker, remind me to bring a sandblaster to clean your dishes, when I visit

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

cz it's only true of either if you ingest them separately, see

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Sinker, trot to the Poison Control Centre: they're missing a guinea pig

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

God only knows how you guys take showers.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Considering the tone of this thead, I'd ask when they take showers......

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

There ya go!! *Acts abnoxiously American*

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

you're the ones with the big fear of soap!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

it's called cake for a reason!!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Soap? How you spell that?

Sinker, I play nightly in the jacuzzi, so soap fear ain't a problem....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't it be hard to get a guitar in there Nichole?

― Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It's big enough to play to crowds as big as 4, Leee.

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

One time my sister dumped an entire bottle of dishwashing liquid in stew. I am surprised she's still alive.

― Allyzay, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

what flavour?

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Was she experimenting or something, Ally? Can she claim the madness if being 5?

(How's your dad's arm, BTW?)

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

good cookery is all abt improvisation

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

with soap. Trying to murder someone with cleanliness?

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"Now (and before the suds dry on the dishes) rinse them very thoroughly with running tap water as hot as you can safely use. This prevents dullness, streaks, spots and a soapy taste in your food when you use the dishes later."

p 110, Cheryl Mendelson, Home Comforts: The Art and Science of Keeping House

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Rinsing soap off dishes = not neccesary

Rinsing soap off glasses = neccesary


There is a more heinous crime in the washing up arena however. This crime is dumping the pan with plenty of food still in it, into the sink to soak, then "washing" this pan up in the resulting broth. In case the sink "stock" hasn't enough added goodness in it, after eating plunge plates with any leftovers on into the primodial soup, give a cursory wipe with a dish-sponge, and then (and only then) begin to wash up the rest of your glasses, cuttlery and other items. Finally leave the "stew" in the sink overnight, remove plug and leave greasy deposit and leftover fried onion, peppers, noodles (hey, whatever you fancy) for your muggins flatmate - that would be me - to clean up.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

This is why I have a dishwasher.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

ha when I had a luvly dinner in Londontown with soap-loving mark s the restaurant was very ill-lit and now I know why: it was to hide the BUBBLES COMING OFF THE FOOD

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

DOes this explain the dish *bubble and squeak*? I've always wondered what that was.

― Melinda Mess-injure, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Ugh. Soap on dishes is utter dud. Even dudder is the practice of finding the most manky awful horrible towel in the kitchen and WIPING THE DISHES "dry" with this. So your dirty dishes, coated with soap and mank are even dirtier than before you washed them.

I feel a case of food poisoning coming on just thinking of it...

Since moving to England, I've developed this compulsive habit of rinsing glasses out at least three times before I'll drink water from them. Nothing like the taste of soap and mank to put you off yer drink.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

What is even worse than ALL of this is leaving bits of food on your plate before lazily dumping it in a sink full of water and leaving it for hours along with lots of other random crap so that whenever someone actually wants to USE the sink they have to go up to their elbows in rancid dishwater and floating lumps of sodden former foodstuff. This is EVEN WORSE if they choose to leave four used ashtrays in their as well WITHOUT ANY INTENTION OF ACTUALLY WASHING THEM.

I'm all for being lazy and not washing up immediately, but I've never understood how the above course of action is supposed to be preferable to just leaving the dishes on the side.

I'm going to kill my flatmate soon, I really am.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, I am not even going to get started on this thread because I feel a rant coming on and I'm still not feeling entirely well, so I'm just going to back away slowly now and try not to think about it.

::deep breath::

::closes eyes and thinks of Nigel Spivey, I mean, England::

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude! I know some guys whose parents came from england, and they do this. I had no idea it was cultural though. So weird! Don't you know that soap will make you sick guys?

― Dan I., Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not soap it's detergent, their is a big difference, neither will adhere to glass or ceramic that well and detergent won't adhere hardly at all, it will only adhere if there is something greasy, i.e food, to adhere to. You wash the plate pull it out of the water put it on the draining rack. Also note that a lot of UK kitchens don't any of your fancy arse double sinks.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

We're ensuring we don't have a drought and helping the environment by conserving water.

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I was brought up to wash the soap off dishes. It is obviously the right thing to do and Tracer, Sean et al. are quite right to be appalled at any other attitude. I think it was when I went to France with my friend, aged about 16, that I first encountered the non-rinsing phemonenon. From him, not the French. They shouted 'Rinsez! Rinsez!' at him.

I rinse glasses in cold water becuase it it supposed to lead to fewer smears, but this does lead to a rapidly cooling washing up basin if you don't have a double sink.

Most dishwashers probably leave more residue crap on dishes than even the most heinous of non-rinsers, though. I hate dishwashers. That is all.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

We have a double sink. HSA shouts at me if I run the draindemon without water going in it. This has nothing to do with anything. I thought the whole point of those revolting plastic tubs that the English stuck inside their sinks (rather than just accumulating foetid stinking dishwater) was so that they could wash and rinse at the same time.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

washing up bowls are the work of the devil

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Tell that to the Dirt Queen. Wait, Suzy already did.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently the water system is going to be the 'next to go'. This winter is going to be really fun!

― dave q, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm concerned that sinkah's meant to be writing a book and was actually up till 1am discussing how to wash his dishes.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

This is what comes of being the most advanced country in the world 1750-1910 and then the most apathetic country in the world since.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i wrote lots yesterday and will write more today nick

anyway i'm just cutting and pasting off ilx mostly


― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps we need a poll to sort this out. Not that I'm volunteering to conduct it.

I'm also a rinser - in fact, I tend not to immerse at all (unless it's something truly gnarly which needs to be overnighted), it's a constant stream of 80/20 hot/cold, one of those Minky brushes and the occasional supplementary squirt of deterg'.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Ew, minky.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

tim really OTM.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I just stick things in the dishwasher *smacks head at forgetting to load the sodding thing this Am !and! empty the bin with the fish skin in it* D'OH!!!

― chris (chris), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not really good at washing anything up apart from my bowl => I have SUPER-GUTS OF STEEL!

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

N. is right, dishes out of the dishwasher taste manky. Ed is also right, there is NO NEED TO RINSE DETERGENT. And finally, Vicky is right, you rinsers are killing our planet with your water wastage, pah.

The thing you should be worrying about is what you're washing up *with* - a skanky, germ-filled sponge or cloth is the real kitchen criminal.

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i use a brush with a space-age moulded plastic handle! it's modern!

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Rinsing under hot is a crime against humanity. all that wasted energy. (even if you do reclaim heat from your grey water, which I'm guessing most of us don't)

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed you are a fucking mentalist. How can anyone who considers themselves a gourmet EAT FOOD ON PLATES WITH FUCKING SCUM AND SOAP AND SHIT ON THEM???!!!

And bullshit it doesn't adhere. You are nuts!

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't care if it's detergent or soap, it still tastes DISGUSTING when you try to drink a glass of water out of a glass covered in it. Ugh.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello! Kaiser Studs-up's in town! Easy does it Mark!

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't someone going to comment that the concept of "fairy liquid" to start with raises innumerable issues. No wonder they like to eat soap, they call it fairy liquid. Insanity rules.

― Skottie, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I can see some people here use http://www.vietgrove.com/images/hatorade.gif to wash the soap off their dishes!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

First they're all, "in America you can't get a decent espresso" [as though that's possible in the U.K.]. The next slag is going to be, "In America, you can't get a decent glass of soap."

― Skottie, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

we shd do a what-sticks-and-why proven-by-science entry

• water: does not itself stick but is not an unsticking agent (ie leaves grease undamaged)
• soap: sticks unless dissolved in water but is an unsticking agent
• detergent: is an unsticking agent which is ALSO RUNNY = DOES NOT ADHERE HURRAH (experiment top test this in progress in my kitchen RIGHT NOW)
• ecological washing up liquid = even less effective than water

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

the reason unrinsed glasses taste of detergent = they have been left to drip dry the WRONG WAY UP!! (ie the detergent pools in the glass and clearly detergent does not evaporate obv)

i just had an earwig in my mouth

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I use plastic plates. Also, 'they' don't let me use utensils. Which I'm glad of, because those are a BITCH to clean. Especially knives with the fancy handles. Whoops, I'm not even supposed to THINK about those anymore.

― dave q, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

If detergent supposedly doesn't stick to dishes, how come I've been able to a) taste soap in a glass of beer if I happen to get the first one at the pub after they cleaned the tubes (with soap I guess?) and b) could taste soap quite distinctly on some food a friend served up once when she then admitted she'd quickly wiped out the frypan with a soapy sponge and not rinsed it properly?

I only ever rinse in cold water, not hot, and I usually do so in a container or the second sink of running but saved water. I also regularly change and clean the sponges, clothes and teatowels. I don't bother with disinfectants or "antibacterial" cleaners however, becoz that is mentalist and you gotta have SOME germs around.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The 'elephant' here in the UK is the detestable practice of having a hot- and cold-water tap and I will not believe ANYBODY gives enough of a fuck about 'the environment' to defend this idiocy, unless they have a skinless hand festering with third-degree burns to prove it

― dave q, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely the most noxious thing in a Londoner's washing up bowl is the WATER.

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

You don't have a hot/cold mixer tap in yr kitchens? That'd be annoying.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely the most noxious thing in a Londoner's washing up bowl is the WATER.

This is 100% correct. The water in the home counties & london is horrible.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Re mixer taps - annoying? That's not the half of it, in some circumstances it could be possibly be life-threatening! I can imagine a doctor about to sterilise some instruments - "OK first I'll....YEEEEOOOWWWWWW!!!! Fuck this, they'll never notice"

― dave q, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

trayce the explanation fr yr "soapy" taste - btw all DETERGENT is NOT SOAP BY DEFINITION, NOT-BEING-SOAP wz WHY IT WZ INVENTED - is evil gravity: it was not STUCK it was merely BALANCING ON TOP OF cz of wrong-way up draining

hmmm, my experiment is looking bad for ed

madchen otm

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Rinsing is a stupid waste of time and water. I stand my my national rinsing passtime.

― Anna@toby's (tsg20), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

am I missing something by suggesting just drying dishes?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

What was Anna just saying there?

If you don't rinse, the plate is left coated in a mixture of the shit you were trying to clean off and detergent, and any germs which grow on said mixture. Be my guest, eat off the plate.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I always find that just drying them means you get loads of shit off the dishcloth stuck to the plate. Rinse or otherwise, draining is the way forward.

Surely the point of detergent is that it kills the shit you were meant to clean off?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

huh? don't you have clean tea-towels?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I leave stuff which will blacken tea-towels to drain, the rest is dried.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

is this the most boring thread topic ever? quick, somebody get naked. preferably not me.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

My thoughts exactly!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I'm talking about tiny bits of fabric fibre and stuff...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

::twitches::

::resists urge::

::dashes off to other thread::

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Good reason not have a mixer tap was proved in my flat last month. Since the cold water comes from a tank fifteen miles up, whilst the hot is about a foot above the tap the pressure differential is huge. Therefore when our landlord put in a mixer tap the cold water pressure was so high that it actually pushed the hot back to the tank and then over flowed the tank. Dripping down light fightings.

Youy might get a soapy pint in the lines have just been cleaned, nothing to do with the glasses. Always drain glasses upside down, with room for them to drip obv.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

every time you rinse a plate God kills a kitten

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

My thoughts did NOT follow steve's thoughts!!!!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

If it's so bad for you, why do they sell it as something you can use on plates you eat off of? Surely the ad makers would never let Ainsley Harriott sit in a bath of the stuff because that would kill him, oh, hang on...

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1110000/images/_1113537_ainsleyharriotbbc.jpg

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

the reason detergent tastes nasty is because it is causing the essential oils coating yr tongue to stop adhering and drain off down into yr tummy: yr tastebuds - NOW UNHEALTHILY CLEAN - are exposed to horrid air-borne germs and the harm they are now free to do = TASTING "SOAPY" so-called

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

mark s in pete b shockah!

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

detergent is for LaYmOrZ

real scientists use solvents

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

the more harsh, carcinogenic, and flammable the better. chloroform, maybe. or dichloromethane.

also ethyl ether to thread!!

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

You people worry me. Seriously. (And that's really saying something.)

(really sayin' something... really sayin' OUT OF MY HEAD!!!)

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Early Fairy Liquid was based on Chinese detergent which was actually made out partially of human bile - bile being the best thing to break down fatty acids (job it does in body). Proctor & Gamble thought that rather than use this natural substance harvested regularly from people in hospital, they would make a chemical version. The only bad effects of ingesting washing up liquid is an inflation of your natural bile levels which may cause an inbalance in your spleen but is in no way dangerous. Of course it tastes nasty, mainly on the demands of Nestle who use a very similar compound to create the bubbles in Aero's (mixed with chocolate).

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm...benzene

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"if we don't rinse, the food will taste like soap!"

"not soap, detergent"

"if we don't rinse, the food will taste like detergent"

"no they won't, and besides, detergent is good for you in so many ways"

this thread is the most beautiful cultural divide I have ever seen, God bless you all and God save the Queen

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

when you pull a plate out of water with detergent in it the detergent stay is the water. as mark suggests, only if you leave puddles of water in improperly stacked dishes will the detergent stay on the crockery, in which case you'll get limescale (in London at least) which is far worst. All glass should be wiped with a glass cloth.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't make cloth out of glass. Imagine the see-thru clothing that would be all the rage otherwise.

Imagine....

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

*jaws drop open*

*eyes widen*

Well, I suppose this thread explains a great many things....

― Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is turning me into Lee Greenwood.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

has anyone in england ever tasted any kind of soapy taste when eating off non-rinsed dishes, even given the legendary blandness of english food? i've got to my mid thirties and never have.

i rinse cutlery but don't tend to do plates unless they look very sudsy.

a secondary question: which way up do you leave cutlery to drain?

andy

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

cutlery you have to juggle

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

pointy end up

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

a secondary question: which way up do you leave cutlery to drain?

Down, o'course, else the ERs would be full of patients/extras from The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. That said, why would you leave them pointing up?

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

mark on the inet before the end of buffy, the horreur

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

well that looks like the most logical way for efficient draining , slopes wise.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm recording it ed

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still agog over this thread.

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Down, down, down! Didn't you hear about the horrific dishwasher incident?

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

This is like the butter thread all over again.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

But even more vomit-inducing.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I continue to be stunned that an entire country can use the phrase "green fairy liquid" without smirking. Green fairy liquid?? Do you squeeze leprechauns to get it?

― Skottie, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

yes we do. collect ten bottles for a pot of gold.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.entertainmentcaterers.com/images/leprechaun.jpg
"I'm the source of green fairy liquid. Don't ask how!"

― Skottie, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

you'd think U2 would have written a song about this abuse of the Irish by the British by now.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is this entire thread so endearing?

― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

My mother claims the Japanese do not do this either. Me? Well, we have a dish washahhhhhh!

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

HI DERE

― Amazing Randy (Amazing Randy), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you have something more to say?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
dave q answered this but I didn't get it the first time! in a nutshell: hot and cold taps necessitate filling the basin with water and using that to wash your dishes (setting aside for a moment the fact that this water gets quite disgusting indeed in a very short period of time). If one rinses one's dish one must choose which tap to use: hot, and you burn your fingers; cold, and you tepidify your basin of water; or, just don't rinse the fuckers.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

damn, and i thought it was because the soap was the most flavorful part of the typical british mean!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

meal.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont understand the problem with putting hands under searing hot water. all my best showers are like this, though this could explain why i tend to pass out after i have had a shower

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

there are such things as rubber gloves, too!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i am well in the habit of washing up straight after a meal now. kraftwerk should've written a song about that.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it really very common to have seperate hot and cold taps in English kitchens? This seems ludicrous.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait a second, are you saying there are TWO FAUCETS? Because otherwise it is no different from most American taps.

― Allyzay, Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

er, out here in suburbia, we have mixer taps!

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, you have a hot tap and a cold tap. If you just have one metal water dispenser sticking out over your sink, through which both hot and cold water come, then it is called a mixer tap.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

We had this convenience about 50 years ago in the States!

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

That's bizarre.

― Allyzay, Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Are we talking about just really ancient houses with this? I just can't believe it.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

FWIW I wouldn't even bother WASHING the dishes if my sink was like that, that's inhumane and archaiac. I'd throw them out the window after usage.

― Allyzay, Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

It's part of our quaint charm.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you just have one tap (faucet) in your bathrooms too?

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, just one faucet/tap, they're all set up as these "mixers".

― Allyzay, Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Mixers!

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Taps are our heritage.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I've honestly never in my life seen anything with two faucets/taps, with the exception of huge restaurant kitchens, but they were multiple sinks with multiple "mixer" taps all feeding into one big sink so it's not the same thing at all. They were all still "mixers"??

What I don't understand is that I've BEEN to England and not seen this??

― Allyzay, Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

twin taps are still pretty common in the UK - no wonder you bastards are making us get visas now

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Anna it's safe to say that mixer taps have "caught on" in the States.

Ally and Sean if you think that's weird the tub has THREE taps. The third one is for malt vinegar.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

the sun has set on the British Empire

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought that brits bathed in ale!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha "twin taps" !!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

No, no Tracer, the third tap is there for Wocestershire sauce. Your last ladylady was mad wasn't she?

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

cause lord knows they always stink of it~!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the third tap was for bacon grease :(

― Allyzay, Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Landlady even.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

silly americans it's curry!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

For your education:

http://www.brilliantbathrooms.co.uk/bathroom-taps.html

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

zeus is shit. why does everyone have zeus?

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"brilliant"

― Allyzay`, Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

those are all single taps! the twin tap is a myth.

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Recently our landlord swapped our twin taps on the bath for a mixer. This unfortunately caused a flood because the pressure for the cold water was so much highr than the hot water that the cold actually started filling up the hot water tank, eventually to make it overflow and seep through the ceiling. In this case the two tap dichotomy existed for a reason.

I am assuming that you have seperate hot and cold water tanks in the states like us too?

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

our cold water tank is Lake Erie

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Water Tank = A Well in our gardens. (Take note USA)

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of people have Cascata too. i dont like that one either. weirdly, i havent actually seen the 2 taps thing in about 5 years, even the palace of debt had a mixer tap (thuogh it is only today i have learnt it is called a mixer tap. previously i just called it 'the tap').

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

What's just insulting is that even most "mixer" taps here don't really mix the hot and cold water, they just put them very close together as they come out.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I just checked, my bath has two single taps!

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracer, it's coz we don't really like warm water. The whole concept is wrong.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

my parents get their water from a well, too! so it's not just you brits.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how Jel just said "I checked" as I had to just go through to our kitchen to see if we had a mixer tap. (We do - but the bath and the basin both have what I thought were normal taps until this thread scared me into thinking I have a freakily old-fashioned house)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought that leaving soap on the dishes was how the British brushed their teeth?

― dean gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

We actually have a mixer tap in the kitchen, but we do have seperate hot and cold taps in the bathroom basin and the bath.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread makes me laugh because i am such the obsessive dish-fascist i made a SIGN telling my flatmates the CORRECT WAY [i.e. MY way] to do them and have been known to RE-DO entire loads of dishes again as they were not up to standards (sauce on the pot-lip! glasses washed in a slick of frypan grease! tepid, sudsless water!) and still i find NO USEFUL REASON for rinsing dishes after washing unless they are to be used immediately after washing. failing to rinse BEFORE washing is far more serious a crime - unsoaked pots & big greasy stainy chunks of food matter in the water don't make for a bang-up job, chaps - but afterwards the detergent will drip off with the water if rack drying, or be wiped off by any good clean tea-towel (which, again, is the real secret to a good result - preferably linen, lintless, dry and untainted by foodstuffs or food smells). I've never found properly washed, drained and dried dishes to be tainted by suds & this frankly sounds like some Uberwestern hygiene obsession gone mad.

― petra jane (petra jane), Friday, 9 January 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Petra Jane signals a new way forward.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 9 January 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Gareth last night: Was everyone getting really angry on the soap on dishes thread?
Me: Yeah, because Ally and I are crazy enough to get propperly pissed off about the variations in taps on different sides of the Atlantic...
Gareth: I couldn't tell.
Me: You are silly.

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 9 January 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

remind me never to live with Petra-Jane.

PJ, you didn't really make that sign did you?

― chris (chris), Friday, 9 January 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Having one tap on the bath is just silly - you're supposed to fill the thing, not put any part of your body under either of the taps. I might be prepared to accept that the Americans are indeed right about kitchen taps.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 9 January 2004 10:58 (twenty-one years ago)

a mixer tap in the bathroom sink is plain silly, cos you'll just bust your nose when you bend down to wash your face. or something.

― Canada Briggs (Canada Briggs), Friday, 9 January 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

PJ, you didn't really make that sign did you?

*cough*

http://petrajane.com/nerd/sign.jpg

would you believe no?

― petra jane (petra jane), Friday, 9 January 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

failing to rinse BEFORE washing is far more serious a crime - unsoaked pots & big greasy stainy chunks of food matter in the water don't make for a bang-up job, chaps

OTM. Petra Jane, are you looking for a flatmate?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 9 January 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

and none of them strangled you?

― chris (chris), Friday, 9 January 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

we will probably be in March! DISH FASCISTS COME LIVE WITH ME IN ETERNAL BLISS!

― petra jane (petra jane), Friday, 9 January 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I could swear I heard a report on the radio this week about a new law coming in that says all new bathrooms fitted in the UK will have to have mixer taps. I've googled and googled and can't find it, so maybe it was a dream.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 9 January 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yes they must. having 2 taps on your sink causes cancer.

― MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 9 January 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It's because small children and the elderly keep injuring themselves with hot water, it was on the today programme the other day there.

― leigh (leigh), Friday, 9 January 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if princess margaret's bath had mixer taps that time she scalded her feet? Or are all the royal bathrooms too antiquated?

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 9 January 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely they still have effete men with huge jugs filled with water at exactly 26.5 degrees?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 9 January 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

surely if they were effete they wouldn't be able to lift the jugs.

― MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 9 January 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

that's not what he meant by 'huge jugs'

― stevem, Friday, 9 January 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

http://bitchcakes.topcities.com/garethfap/phoneconfusion.jpg

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 9 January 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

this was the reason for my frustration when i lived with ed for a year !? bubbles = bad!!!!!!!

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

When I had seperate taps in my bathroom in London, I would cup my hands under the cold tap and them swiftly more them under the hot tap and then swish the water to mix and then throw on my face. I would never fill the basin up with water. People spit their toothpaste in there! I didn't want to clean it before every use.

― Carey (Carey), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I spit my toothpaste in the toilet. Simple.

Anyway a minty tang is good for the face.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I now realise that the only reason for the school 'science experiment' involving putting one hand in very hot water and one in cold and lo! both hands feel merely warm, was to prepare us deprived English kids for a life without mixer taps.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I wash my face in the toilet. Even simpler.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i just don't wash. hobo chic y'all.

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

If you have a sink that's a colour other than white you get a shock at how much toothpaste and soap scum builds up and how quickly.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got a horrid turquoise bathroom suite and the handbasin never looks clean as result, no matter how much i do it.

― leigh (leigh), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I hear ya. Mine's... tangerine.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Simple solution - buy tangerine toothpaste.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

orange you clever?

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 9 January 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, here is a link to a picture of our old kitchen sink! It has the old school taps!

http://www.angelfire.com/wy/bby2k/images/phojan8.gif

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 9 January 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I just clarify one thing? In the USA, is it normal to have a mixer tap that doesn't just combine the flow from two fawcets? These are the sort we have in our kitchen, and they are the only mixer taps worth having. If you can't turn the flow on and off without fiddling with two fawcets to get the right temperature again, I don't really see the point of them except in bathroom basins.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 9 January 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Could you rephrase that, N.? I feel I can answer your question if only I know what you mean by 'they' and 'them.' Also, what part of the fixture are you meaning when you say 'fawcet'? The regulator or the spout?

― Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 9 January 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he means that there's a model with hot tap/cold tap and one with pressure tap/ temperature tap, if that makes sense. The second is what you get all the time on showers, though I've never seen it with taps.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 9 January 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

still i find NO USEFUL REASON for rinsing dishes after washing unless they are to be used immediately after washing ... but afterwards the detergent will drip off with the water if rack drying, or be wiped off by any good clean tea-towel

But that's like saying you don't rinse off in the shower after you've soaped yourself up, 'cause the towel will get all the soap off. Bleah.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 9 January 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

pressure tap/ temperature tap is what I have in my kitchen

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 9 January 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

one tap to wash them all

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 9 January 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I think I see.

Yes, I have that sort of controller in my kitchen and bathroom sinks, and in my shower: a quasi-joystick whose left-right axis controls temperature and whose up-down axis controls flow. And I live in the USA. So yes. Although I really have no beef with the two-knobs-one-spout design and don't find temperature fiddling too burdensome.

― Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 9 January 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

tracer:
"What's just insulting is that even most "mixer" taps here don't really mix the hot and cold water, they just put them very close together as they come out."

there is a reason for this and the only link i could find is here:

http://www.realestatejournal.com/housegarden/indoorliving/20021031-hagerty.html

"In their defense, some British cite red tape. Older British homes often have storage tanks in their attics that feed water heaters. Under certain conditions, those tanks could be contaminated -- for instance, by the intrusion of a rat -- and tainted hot water that flows into a mixer tap might get sucked into a cold-water pipe leading back to the public water supply, endangering the whole neighborhood. So regulations forbid mixing of hot and cold water streams inside a tap unless the tank meets strict standards or protective valves are installed."

rest of the page is worth reading as well.

i'm 100% with petra jane on the washing up thing btw. ex used to peel carrots etc into a sink full of plates and cold water. the whole thing ended up looking like some kind of soup with added crockery. there were usuaully sharp knives lurking in the bottom too.

andy

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 9 January 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Fantastic link, koogs.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 10 January 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps the answer is to always eat out.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 January 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't matter if your hot water comes from a storage cistern or not: the moment it's been heated it falls under fluid category 2 and is a contaminant. Hot water backflow into a cold main can lead to the spread of Legionnaire's disease, too.

― cis (cis), Saturday, 10 January 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay death!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 January 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he means that there's a model with hot tap/cold tap and one with pressure tap/ temperature tap, if that makes sense. The second is what you get all the time on showers, though I've never seen it with taps.

Yes, sorry not to be clear - this is what we have in our terribly modern kitchen sink and bathroom (the left-right / up-down joystick model that Paul has).

My puzzlement at the hot-cold regulator / one spout design's usefulness remains. If one is running a sink of water then one might as well have it coming out of two spouts - what difference does it make. And if one is using it to rinse (in a single sink, as opposed to being able to let it run constantly into a special drainer section) then one has to turn it on and off all the time anyway, to stop the sink overflowing, and this necessitates fiddling with two controllers between each dish to get one's preferred temperature. But it's best to rinse dishes in pure cold water anyway, so two spouts are again fine.

The only real use I can see for it is when the sink's taps are being used to rinse one's hand quickly, as in a bathroom basin, and only then if one's hot water is instantly scalding.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 12 January 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"special drainer section" = what Americans call "a sink" and we hardly ever plug (do you say "stopper" in the UK?) it; in fact most people in the US probably don't even have stoppers.

cis I would ask you how the Americans manage their mixer taps if the technology is so dangerous but then I remembered the story of the "20 gallon" tanks we're supposed to use in our toilets.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"special drainer section" = what Americans call "a sink" and we hardly ever plug (do you say "stopper" in the UK?) it; in fact most people in the US probably don't even have stoppers.

Why - because you use a plastic washing up bowl? Or because you just let the tap run constantly down the drain? If the latter, where does the washing up liquid go?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Plastic washing-up bowl, my God man!! No it's the latter, and the washing-up liquid goes down the drain, along with the water and gunk. Do you think we collect it afterwards or something?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope this is one of those arguments that ends with the participants making angry love.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

For all I know, US mains have check valves as standard: most modern mixertaps do. It'd certainly be more sensible. The UK just happen to have very stringent rules when it comes to water wastage/'contamination'/etc. Drinking heated water won't kill you, and Legionnaire's isn't that common, but there's still legislation against the possibility.
(haha 20 gallons ahahaha. I really wanted that one to catch on!)

― cis (cis), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

So Tracer, you're squeezing washing up liquid onto every dish? What a waste of liquid and water. And no fun bubbles!

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i love it when you talk dirty (water)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

the washing-up liquid goes down the drain, along with the water and gunk. Do you think we collect it afterwards or something?

That is soooo wasteful! God, I hardly have enuf hot water by 6.30pm to shave with, let alone pour needlessly into plughole. And the detergent = not grebt for the rivers.

btw this is my fave thread evah, totally a pre-occupation round mine. I rinse WITH COLD WATER obviously.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Did the Kyoto agreement cover washing up practices?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah cis I mean talk about a water closet!

Nick you squeeze a bit into your sponge and may need to do so once again before you're finished.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

up north, we had to lick t'plate clean

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

My mom went to Mexico once and noticed that in her hotel she had to pay like 50c to get the hot water to come on. She realized she didn't REALLY need the hot water. Of course then she got sick off some food she ate at a restaurant.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

You lick it clean of detergent?

x-post - I don't understand, Tracer. What's the connection? Karma?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 12 January 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Hot water kills germs/cleans better.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

In American restaurants you have to wash your own plates?

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

No but we use hot water with caprice! (I meant that if my mom's thinking "hot water = $" there's nothing stopping restaurants from thinking the same way. It's a specious connection, though.)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

It is highly specious. The chances of the illness deriving from a shoddily washed plate rather than poor food storage and preparation are minimal, unless Americans like to defecate on their plates too.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean Americans are probably somewhat wasteful with our hot water. But if that's the price of washing dishes - and hands and faces - with clean water I am willing to pay it (I think; still haven't gotten my first water bill yet). The basin method means you are washing half your dishes with dirty greasy water, unless you refill the basin a couple of times during your wash - and THEN rinse - rather than just letting the water run throughout, rinsing as you go. Actually I wonder which uses more water, especially if you don't have the water running very strong.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

What you want is those primo taps with like 'arms' which are way easy to turn on/off. that way you cd do the 'run through' method but with more control of the water. it's less useful for things that need a bit of a soak, ie saucepans.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

This is exactly the point I've been arguing Enrique, keep up!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

no, what is needed is shower heads, over the sink - a great idea

― chris (chris), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

In America they are standard, chris!!

http://www.keysan.com/pictures/pmoe3827.jpg
http://www.davidrobertsbuilders.com/moen7210.gif

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

That is what we have in our kitchen. It is OK, but confuses guests.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
I rinse dishes (with cold water)
Mr. Z does not
we are both Britishes
I can totally sometimes taste the soap.

― Zora (Zora), Thursday, 27 July 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe I never read this thread!!!

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 July 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

You can't make cloth out of glass.


YES YOU CAN. I USED GLASS WOOL IN MY CHEMISTRY LAB THE OTHER DAY.

ALSO, WTF BRITAIN WIF NO "MIXER TAPS." THEY'RE JUST CALLED FAUCETS, AND THEY ARE NORMAL. GET OUT OF YOUR TIME MACHINE.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 27 July 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Holy cow, my Anglophilia just died with this thread.

What Tracer Hand posted is exactly what we have in the kitchen, too. If I have a lot of dishes to wash, I'll fill up one of the two basins with hot, soapy water, let the dishes soak for a brief period of time, and then scrub the dishes. Then I'll transfer them to the second basin. When I've gotten through all the dishes, I'll pick each one up and wash off the soap (detergent, whatever) and put them in the drying rack. Then I'll empty the first basin, wash both basins out, capture the stuff that's been captured on the plug in the first basin onto a paper towel, and throw the towel away. I don't cook or eat food that's greasy and I do a very good job with cooking food without it getting stuck to anything, so what I do end up catching is minimal.

This thread was useful for one other, important and vital reason: I've acquired the term "mixer tap" into my vocabulary. Thanks.

― Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Friday, 28 July 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

WTF BRITAIN WIF NO "MIXER TAPS."

I've lived in places with mixer taps in the kitchen.

They were a long time coming, though, because old mixer taps without non-return valves didn't go very well with standard British plumbing. The standard British system is that most of the cold taps in the house are supplied from a tank, but the kitchen tap is supplied directly off the incoming water main. Simple mixer taps can put hot water into the cold supply in some circumstances, which is why they weren't allowed in British kitchens - it would send hot water from your tank back into the public supply.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 28 July 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

(bah, people already said this upthread, but I couldn't be arsed reading it all)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 28 July 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

Phoenix Dancing's system sounds admirable and makes me feel a bit mucky, but there again my dishes still look clean and don't taste of detergent and I haven't contracted any illnesses from them.

I still can't get my head around people who do a whole load of washing up with the water running over the dishes instead of filling a basin. I can see that it might get things marginally cleaner but is it not a bit wasteful?

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is very informative for me. My wife (American) often complains I don't wash up properly because I don't rinse plates etc after I wash them. I had no idea you were supposed to! Now I can tell her it's a British vs American thing and if she wants to rinse plates she's being UN-BRITISH and therefore a terrorist.

Can't say I've ever tasted washing up liquid on anything.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

Can't say I've ever tasted washing up liquid on anything.

Maybe it's like a PAL/NTSC thing. Americans think our broadcast TV is all flickery, Brits thinks US telly is blurry. Both pretty soapy though.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 28 July 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

US telly sometimes looks a bit green.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

Never The Same Colour as its known in the industry

― Ed (dali), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

I wash plates with bits on and shove the bits down the drain. Envirohators, go at me now.

BTW - the thing I'm most suprised by about this thread is the brit argument that mixer taps can cause backwash due to the hot and cold "tanks". Um... your cold water doesn't just come right out of the tap thru a pipe from the mains? Here, afaik, cold water comes out of all taps right from the mains in the street. Only hot water is collected into a tank and heated... then when you need it, you turn on your single tap (some with a hot and cold controller, some with a single mixer) and out comes yer water - warm, hot, whatevs. I've only seen divided hot/cold taps in very very old flats and well, in britishes places.

Then again I got a bit weirded out by the UK hot tank "extra pressure" switch or whatever it is also. Whats that thing called? When you want a deep bath so you put the extra hot water on (I'm thinking of Alan Partridge here, haw).

― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

UK system used to be all gravity fed so it made sense to have cold water coming from tanks in the roof. With just cold from the mains in the kitchen for dead pigeon free drinking. Because the mains could be at such low pressure, without a non return valve water could god from hot water system back into the public mains and contaminate the drinking water supply. Now we have non return vales and better mains pressure.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

hi hi backflow would be even more dangerous if your water were coming direct from the mains with no check valves! hot water == no longer potable, potential for harm, not good, according to the logic of british plumbering.

― stop moving. (cis), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

not rinsing soap off the dishes is still indefensible tho.

― stop moving. (cis), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

I don't wash up, I just let the dog lick the plates clean for me. Dog saliva is antiseptic, right?

― C J (C J), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

if that's true, i'm gonna go home and tell my dog that my balls are totally septic.

― teh_kit is jayne without the tits (g-kit), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

Rinsing and especially the American constant flow of water down the plughole method is decadent insanity on a par with Mariah Carey's room dedicated to watching the Little Mermaid. I don't know where people are going wrong if you can actually taste soap/detergent. Perhaps inbred draining positioning, or maybe people are putting things to dry with bubbles and suds still pouring off them? It's not hard to get take things out of the bowl minus suds and all.

Worse than all of these sinners are people who put their kitchen knives in a pot with the rest of their cutlery to dry. Blade up is begging for injury and blade down is one in a woeful catalogue of reasons why most people have godawful, blunt and therefore more dangerous knives.

― Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://mipmup.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/housekeeping.jpg

― DAVE's secret to fortu-Oh look! Shiny! (dave225.3), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

This is my favourite thread of the week.

― C J (C J), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Z uses industrial quantities of detergant and leaves everything on the drainer 3 inches deep in bubbles.

He claims any other method fails to remove all the grease.

Yay for the details of domestic life.

― Zora (Zora), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe detergent neutralizes the Mad Cow prion?

― M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 28 July 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

In New Zealand when I was growing up there was a rumor that not rinsed sudsy dishes were related to testicular cancer...
(excuse me while I go googling...)

― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 28 July 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

I don't wash up, I just let the dog lick the plates clean for me. Dog saliva is antiseptic, right?

Say, urine is sterile! Just wait til you have to piss really bad then hose the dishes off! (Easier for guys, obv.)

― Whitman Mayonnaise (Rock Hardy), Friday, 28 July 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Archel: Sorry for not responding earlier, but I just wanted to say that my system is totally easy once you get used to it. Once I get into the routine, everything is easy and it takes a much shorter period of time than you'd think, even if the sink is full of dishes. Oh yeah, and it helps to wash as you go along. If there's anything I've had drilled into my head from my parents (household-wise), it's the whole "Wash as you go along" thing. And it really does help/cut down on the amount of dishes you're faced with at meal's end.

― Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Saturday, 29 July 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

Oh God, I feel like my name should be Holly Housewife.

― Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Saturday, 29 July 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

why transfer into second basin, why not just pick up from first basin and rinse?

also i don't get the paper towel part

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Saturday, 29 July 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

the paper towel part is simply to increase waste

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 29 July 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's not that much of an increase of waste. I usually purchase the "pick-a-size" towels and so I'll tear off the equivalent of half a regular-size paper towel. With the water that gets absorbed into the towel, it becomes a small bundle. Plus I'd like to see you try to empty out all that junk into the trash without leaving a single bit in the stopper.

As for the "why not just pick up from first basin and rinse" thing -- that would waste water. I don't leave the faucet running while I'm scrubbing away at the dishes that are soaking in the soapy water. I only run the tap while I'm actually rinsing the dishes. This is also why I've ensured that the water from my kitchen faucet gets hot quickly, because I don't want to waste a lot of water trying to get the water to a satisfactory temperature. And I don't put a lot of water in the basin for the dishes to soak -- only as much as will cover the dishes.

― Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Sunday, 30 July 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

right, but why not take out the stopper of that first basin, the one where your dishes have been soaking in just enough water to cover them, and rinse them in that basin, instead of transferring all of them to a second basin? i just don't see what putting them all in the second basin accomplishes that can't be accomplished in the first basin. really! i'm not being willfully thick, i am that way naturally.

as far as emptying drain crud, i pick up the strainer thingie:

http://www.rensup.com/t/Sink_Strainers_Dtl92498.jpg

dump in trash, and if there are little bits left on i scrub them off with the scrubber.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 30 July 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

Last night when I did the washing up, I thought of this thread and immediately began rinsing the soapy dishes with (scalding) hot water before leaving them to drain on t'draining board. Once again, ILX has infiltrated my life.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Tracer, some of us have more than sinks worth of dirty dishes.

― Ms. Misery TX (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
Recently on British Gas helplines: "To save water, put the plug in while washing up, instead of rinsing under the running tap" [cue Clocks by Coldplay].

― ledge (ledge), Friday, 25 August 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

was this thread a joke?

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 April 2009 00:05 (sixteen years ago)

MY MUM

― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 23 April 2009 00:06 (sixteen years ago)

My in-laws are here right now and they've been doing this not rinsing dish thing all week. It's so strange to me but I can't say that I've tasted any soap residue or anything and I'm still here so maybe it ain't that bad after all.

― Kringelbert Fishtybuns of Steel (ENBB), Thursday, 23 April 2009 00:24 (sixteen years ago)

I never rinsed the dishes as a kid, because I was lazy. Also it never occurred to me that the detergent would stay on the plate - that's what the tea towel is for! etc. My mum finally yelled at me around age 17 and since then I rinse, always. Because she was right.

― franny glass, Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:15 (sixteen years ago)

do british ppl just use a different kind of soap? because i can't imagine getting that gloppy liquid soap we use in america off a dish without plenty of water. for that matter, how do you even get a dish CLEAN without using water?

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 23 April 2009 01:54 (sixteen years ago)

I'm gathering that they scrub the dishes in a sink full of soapy water and then pull them out and wipe them off. They don't follow this by dipping the dishes in a second sink full of non-soapy water. I think that is what's meant?

― Sundar, Thursday, 23 April 2009 02:03 (sixteen years ago)

Is the warm beer thing real or a myth? Because I'm starting to kinda like heavily hopped stuff better when it ain't so cold.

― Shoegaze Knight (Oilyrags), Thursday, 23 April 2009 02:08 (sixteen years ago)

not warm, cellar temperature

― caek, Thursday, 23 April 2009 02:27 (sixteen years ago)

can you be more specific? preferably in farenheit?

― Shoegaze Knight (Oilyrags), Thursday, 23 April 2009 02:30 (sixteen years ago)

I'm gathering that they scrub the dishes in a sink full of soapy water and then pull them out and wipe them off. They don't follow this by dipping the dishes in a second sink full of non-soapy water. I think that is what's meant?

Well, now I don't have the second sink of non-soapy water, because I just have the one sink. But I run the tap briefly over each thing before it goes on the drainer.

― franny glass, Thursday, 23 April 2009 02:32 (sixteen years ago)

xp, 50-55 F

― caek, Thursday, 23 April 2009 02:35 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.ratebeer.com/Story.asp?StoryID=479

― caek, Thursday, 23 April 2009 02:37 (sixteen years ago)

I hope any one who "misses" old ILX gets directed here.

― ambience chaser (S-), Thursday, 23 April 2009 04:27 (sixteen years ago)

I rinse the soap off with blistering hot water, soap leavers are bad and wrong. Including my mum.

― Mister Craig, Thursday, 23 April 2009 06:31 (sixteen years ago)

can you be more specific? preferably in farenheit?

Room temperature. Y'know, like red wine.

― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Thursday, 23 April 2009 07:17 (sixteen years ago)

second sink ?!

― Ant Attack.. (Ste), Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:25 (sixteen years ago)

it is good to rinse soap off dishes

I think it is good for beer to be cold, but not so cold that it is hard to taste the beer; when beer is that cold it make me suspicious that the beer is probably terrible

― EMPIRE STATE HYMEN (MPx4A), Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:26 (sixteen years ago)

what's the secret to frosted glasses, or is it as simple as putting a wet glass in the freezer?

― Ant Attack.. (Ste), Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:31 (sixteen years ago)

Lager should be cold but most ales are better when they're just slightly chilled i.e. not warm as such but not ice cold. I guess Americans are used to chilled lagers and they try a British ale and it seems warm to them and that's where the myth came from.

― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:32 (sixteen years ago)

if you put an american in a room with a slightly chilled beer the american would put the beer in a camp and keep it awake with loud music for three weeks

― EMPIRE STATE HYMEN (MPx4A), Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:33 (sixteen years ago)

lol

― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:37 (sixteen years ago)

drink cold or die
http://rjjago.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/hillary-drinking-beer-in-indiana.jpg

― velko, Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:42 (sixteen years ago)

i find the soap a welcome addition to my pizza

― Young Chizzy (country matters), Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:45 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.madaboutmadrid.com/photos/uncategorized/lagerboyposter2.jpg

― weight and bulk are your enemies (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 23 April 2009 08:46 (sixteen years ago)

It's a shame Hobgoblin ale tastes of shite really.

― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Thursday, 23 April 2009 09:02 (sixteen years ago)

Goblin shite <------- Good name for a Scottish GG Allin tribute band

― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 April 2009 09:04 (sixteen years ago)

Goblin guy needs to rinse the soap suds off the top of his pint.

― Enemy Insects (NickB), Thursday, 23 April 2009 09:05 (sixteen years ago)

Is there a thread for really smug adverts? If not we need one.

― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Thursday, 23 April 2009 09:08 (sixteen years ago)

The 'warm beer' thing isn't really a US vs UK thing at all surely, but a lager vs ale thing.

In my experience good ales in the UK are probably served at the same temperature as Dogfish or Sierra Nevada in the US

― cherry blossom, Thursday, 23 April 2009 09:43 (sixteen years ago)

second sink ?!

Double sink not second sink, dont they have these in the UK?

http://www.fixturesetc.com/images/products/Transolid_kitchen_sink_TS33226.jpg

― one art, please (Trayce), Thursday, 23 April 2009 09:49 (sixteen years ago)

nah, those beers can handle higher temperatures better than most lagers but they're still better when served cold.

sierra nevada more like a newcastle brown in that respect. camra says this about ale serving:

Real ale is served at cellar temperature .... C (54-57 F), which is somewhat cooler than room temperature. If real ale is too warm it is not appetizing, it loses its natural conditioning (the liveliness of the beer due to the dissolved carbon dioxide).

On the other hand if the beer is too cold it will kill off the subtle flavour. Unlike keg beer which has to be chilled, real ale has flavours you need to taste!

otfm

― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 23 April 2009 09:53 (sixteen years ago)

British kitchens generally not big enough for big fancy double sink malarkey, Trayce.

― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 23 April 2009 09:55 (sixteen years ago)

thing about the Hobgoblin is there's no way he can drink that pint without a straw or just inhaling it all thru his nose

― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 23 April 2009 10:34 (sixteen years ago)

so the joke's on him

― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 23 April 2009 10:35 (sixteen years ago)

Goblin shite <------- Good name for a Scottish GG Allin tribute band

Would see live if it was a Marty Pellow side project...

― snoball, Thursday, 23 April 2009 10:53 (sixteen years ago)

Okay, it sounds like I've been pretty much doing what I'm supposed to - letting my (good, approximately british ale style) beer warm up about 10 degrees from its refrigerated temperature before drinking it. Thanks Britishes!

― Shoegaze Knight (Oilyrags), Thursday, 23 April 2009 10:56 (sixteen years ago)

It's a shame Hobgoblin ale tastes of shite really.

I very much enjoyed the Hobgoblin Halloween beer but the actual normal ale is pretty dull, wouldn't call it shite. I cannot go along with the odea that ale needs to be chilled though. Room temperature is fine. Srsly.

― weight and bulk are your enemies (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 23 April 2009 20:03 (sixteen years ago)

bring it to the beer thread guys wtf? how did beer-serving temperatures even come up on this thread?

― mark cl, Thursday, 23 April 2009 20:38 (sixteen years ago)

fwiw we talked a bit about cellar-temperature beer etc on the thread a few weeks ago

― mark cl, Thursday, 23 April 2009 20:39 (sixteen years ago)

how did beer-serving temperatures even come up on this thread?

My fault - but it's barely related in that its a UK thing that seems weird to Americans.

― Shoegaze Knight (Oilyrags), Thursday, 23 April 2009 20:40 (sixteen years ago)

british are so weird :{

― warmsherry, Thursday, 23 April 2009 22:29 (sixteen years ago)

yeah the beer discussion definitely ruined this important thread about suds

― EMPIRE STATE HYMEN (MPx4A), Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:15 (sixteen years ago)

ha, that wasn't my point. i said 'bring it to the beer thread' b/c i prob post on that more than any other thread, and i want to get more people talking about beer

― mark cl, Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:18 (sixteen years ago)

I would like to talk at length about the violence I'd do to whoever conceived that Hogboglin Ale advert.

― Easy Hippo Rider (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:20 (sixteen years ago)

oh ok!

― EMPIRE STATE HYMEN (MPx4A), Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:29 (sixteen years ago)

how much should one tip after not rinsing the soap off dishes?

― 4,000 hoes in blackburn, lancashire (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:34 (sixteen years ago)

just leave a fresh bar in that saucer dear :)

― Young Chizzy (country matters), Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:35 (sixteen years ago)

That Hobgoblin can fuck off and has clearly never been to mainland Europe, possibly in fear of coming back with an asylum-seeker hidden in his self-satisfied knapsack.

― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:38 (sixteen years ago)

I never noticed but I don't rinse soap off dishes

― genei-jin & tonic (cozwn), Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:41 (sixteen years ago)

I remember this thread btw, unreal tht it was 3 yrs ago : /

― genei-jin & tonic (cozwn), Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:43 (sixteen years ago)

I give everything a thorough rinse, but I'm fairly pernickety in my washing-up habits as a whole. I also have a double sink.

im british btw.

― DavidM, Friday, 24 April 2009 07:27 (sixteen years ago)

I would like to talk at length about the violence I'd do to whoever conceived that Hogboglin Ale advert.

― Easy Hippo Rider (Noodle Vague), Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

That Hobgoblin can fuck off and has clearly never been to mainland Europe, possibly in fear of coming back with an asylum-seeker hidden in his self-satisfied knapsack.

― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Touched a nerve.

― weight and bulk are your enemies (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 24 April 2009 07:37 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, I feel guilty about my preferred methods of consuming alcohol. Clearly being dared to drink something I'm not that into by a cartoon refugee from the Lord of the twatting Rings has got me shook.

― Easy Hippo Rider (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 April 2009 08:54 (sixteen years ago)

Generally smug yet misplaced superiority is something you want to avoid in an ad campaign I reckon.

― Easy Hippo Rider (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 April 2009 08:57 (sixteen years ago)

Oh come on, the only pleasure of being a Real Ale drinking aspie type is the misplaced sense of smugness that somehow spending a lot of time thinking about a dirty mud-coloured liquid that tastes like used nappy juice drained through twigs and strained through an old man's bunion-ridden socks makes you superior to going out and gobbing down as much Fosters as is humanly possible like NORMAL people. Never mind the fact your only other hobbies are Cornish wrestling, Morris dancing and growing a for-goodness-sake-cut-it-off rat tail hair "cut" that would in any other circumstances get you put on the pederasty suspects' register.

Also, this

http://www.ibabuzz.com/bottomsup/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/camra-great-british-beer-festival-08-publicity-photo1.jpg

Never happens, no matter what CAMRA's advertising campaign will tell you.

― the next grozart, Friday, 24 April 2009 09:41 (sixteen years ago)

ok, where are brits on the whole ice in yer whisk(e)y debate? i'm guessing they opt for "neat"/no ice.

― velko, Friday, 24 April 2009 10:27 (sixteen years ago)

I do no ice in scotch, ice in bourbon, but I'm no whisk(e)y snob.

― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:28 (sixteen years ago)

xp Unless it's revolting and you need to disguise the taste.

― weight and bulk are your enemies (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:28 (sixteen years ago)

Also - nothing wrong with Morris dancing.

― weight and bulk are your enemies (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:29 (sixteen years ago)

I generally prefer ice in whiskey unless it's in a single malt which is both unnatural and wrong.

― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:31 (sixteen years ago)

I water down whiskey sometimes. Laphroig Cask Strength for instance.

― weight and bulk are your enemies (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:35 (sixteen years ago)

I always drink whisky neat, mainly without ice, but my whiskey of choice is Jameson, which I drink with one cube of ice.

― Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:35 (sixteen years ago)

i do ice in my irish, but maybe i should do water with scotch? should the water be chilled??

― velko, Friday, 24 April 2009 10:37 (sixteen years ago)

I only add water to that particular Laphroaig where I really do think it makes a difference, and only a little. "Normal" Laphroaig should not be sullied in this way.

― weight and bulk are your enemies (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:44 (sixteen years ago)

Only a little water that is.

― weight and bulk are your enemies (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:45 (sixteen years ago)

Also - nothing wrong with Morris dancing.

― weight and bulk are your enemies (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:29 (4 minutes ago) Bookmarks

RONG

― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:47 (sixteen years ago)

^ CONCUR

All cask strength whiskies need a bit of water; see the water spigot at the bar in countless Scottish pubs.

― suggest bánh mi (suzy), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:49 (sixteen years ago)


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