Huckleberry Job Watch 2003

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Was told I would hear back by the end of the week...and it's Friday. Keep posted for updates as they happen.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

just checked my home answering machine...nothing

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

still nothing.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Update!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

we've got retired employment expert F.G. Huffenpuffle in the studio with us, Mr. Huffenpuffle, any comments on the lack of activity on the job offer front for Mr. Mann?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

aaargh mann, i'm going through the exact same thing. fucking anticipation here!! i was supposed to be getting a phone call today. i wish this was over already, i mean i might just get a PA stint there if not the assistantship i interviewed for, and i'm kinda already expecting that and won't be disappointed..i just want the phone to ring already!!

what job are u waiting to hear back from?

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr. Huffenpuffle?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

UPDATE!!!!

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

why don't you call THEM? Usually potential employers enjoy that sort of initiative.

― hstencil, Friday, 14 November 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

or so I hear anyway.

― hstencil, Friday, 14 November 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a job with a non-fiction TV production company. (they've won an 3mmy!) as a writer/researcher on a new series they're developing a pitch for (so, not exactly a lot of job security here).
And I did call them 3 times to secure the interview after they left a message on my home machine.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm waiting to hear back from several jobs- I got a call yesterday asking if I had any experience as a line producer, and I almost said yes just to get the job...*fingers crossed*

Vic, do they pay PAs in LA?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, i am also waiting for a call from a "non-fiction" (but mine is specifically "reality") production company...but its not for a writerr/researcher role, or else i would ask u the name. i hope at least one of us gets something!!

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

haha! I am waiting to hear from a documentary in pre-production-maybe it's a scam! ;)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

they do @d@ml, but it's shit pay..but for ME it would be FINE since i have never gotten paid in a job in-the-field-i-want-to-work-in, and would also be enough for me to live off of, so i'm cool w/ it

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

update:--I just got a reverse query letter from an editor at a magazine who likes my stuff and wants me to write for him! I didn't seek him out, he sought me out? I hope that wasn't my good fortune for the day.

mine is more documentary, thought the company does do some reality. it could involve WORLD TRAVEL if the series gets the green light!
Good luck Vic.

Also, I should probably quit tying up my line by calling my answering machine every two minutes.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

actually it depends what you're talking about..to PA on a small indie, usually the shoot is a week or two, and that's often little to no pay at all. on a feature, yes, but it's only a few months at most; on a television show, you're lucky enough to get a standard amount for a good amount of time

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

mann, where are you? have you written stuff for the tube before?

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

nope, all my experience is print (actually a bit of radio).
I'm in western canada. r3gina to be exact.
I don't want to put the name of the company and jinx myself or have them g00gle themselves and see all the threads about how much I hate my current job.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I should say - good luck, both of you!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

oh cool. there must not be a lot of television stuff based up there, so this must be some opportunity..

@d@ml - good luck to you too, what's the documentary about?

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

UPDATE: No messages.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Vic, I don't actually know yet. They are playing their cards very close to their chest, but apparently "the Sundance people are interested". (but then, aren't they always? ;) )

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah that's a default by now for every other prod to say =)

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

doo doo doo...
of course, if I get this job, it'll be the end of me on ILX...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I should ask you- another prod company (a good one!) expressed mild interest in possibly taking me on as a "consultant"-now, I'll be honest, I have only ever heard this word used in application to a financial services role or something like that, any idea what it would mean in the grand scheme of film production? Make me look smarter than I am! ;)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(sorry for taking over your thread, Horace, but it passes the time while yr waiting, eh?)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(no problem adam, it's not like I've never derailed a thread)

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hm, tha can mean a financial -advisement role, but it could be just about anything they want to ask you about..or even want from you. do they know where you live? maybe they want to make you a location scout "consultant" because they want to shoot around your place! it could mean any number of things that they might want help with - it's best to ask them specifically what they're referring to, and how long it would last. '

mann - oh, i guess it's a win/lose thing then! are u certain you can't be an occassional poster?

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I'd guess they need a specialist skill from you for part of the production schedule.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, Vic - I guess it would have something to do with post, because they asked to see my editor's reel (I have one, but it's awful, beyond a joke).

(x-post: Thanks Suzy. The idea of myself as any kind of "specialist" is somewhat baffling, however...)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, but I probably won't be as mind-numbingly bored. At least not at first. (i mean, I'm currently in the top five for the last 30 days--or I was yesterday)
Sure I'll check in on weekends, and maybe nights, but it won't be the same...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, good luck and everything, people waiting to hear about jobs.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"Specialist" could mean any number of things though..so it helps when you narrow it down to post. Now you know which area they'd need you in, but as they wanted to see your editing reel, that doesn't mean you might not be working during production, since some ppl start editing their takes early on...

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

slightly off topic:

so, about a month ago, or crap, almost two months ago, when our interns were new, one of them asked me what I do.
"Basically everything that nobody else wants to do," I told him, rattling off a list of my various duties.
"Oh, so you're kind of like the specialist," he said without a trace of irony or sarcasm.

He now outranks me.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it would be nice if it worked out, but I'm not really counting on it- only someone with a tenuous grip on reality would hire me on the "strengths" of that shonky reel. :)

(x-post:Horace, you need to get out of there)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

update: no message

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I kept waiting for this thread to happen.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 14 November 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Ach, I should have left a message on your voice mail about how you got the job, and then gone "PSYCHE!". What a fool I was.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 14 November 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

update?!??

aaah. i think i want to just go to sleep. i'm starting to face the harsh reality by now.

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

you could still do it...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

If I can figure out how to quit my job and still collect some form of reasonable income, I would nap A LOT. I love napping. If napping was a service my current employer provided, I would be branch managaer by now.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

both of you, call them back now.

― hstencil, Friday, 14 November 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

will do.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"Uh, hi, this Huckleberry, I just wanted to make sure that you got my writing samples okay."
"Oh hi Huck, yeah, I got them. I haven't had a chance to look them over yet. Hopefull I will real soon. We should be making a decision early next week and we'll let you know early next week (pause) either way."
"Great, have a super weekend!"

I think I sweat a gallon during that 30 second exchange and I felt like I was pestering.

Happy, Hstencil?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

That is how it works, though. h is not wrong.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I know, it's just, I feel so vulnerable when I call them. I mean, aren't they more likely to offer me the job if they think I'm indifferent, if I play hard to get?
What's the point of having feminine wiles if I never get to use them?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

hey huck, h & all are 100% correct
the job i'm at right now (but not doing) - i got a few months ago and probably wouldn't have it had it not been for me saving them the trouble of dailing a number.
i almost let my nervousness get the best of me and had i - i may still be out of (full time) work.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Huck, no. Similarly you'll never get a blowjob if you don't ask for one. You just have to know how to ask in the right way.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Horace-It's all about the difference between being "cute" and "avaialable".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"available"

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Have a super weekend!
I'm such a dork!

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I called and the girl I was supposed to talk to was "on the other line," but instead of leaving a message I said I'll just call back. The one who picked up the phone doesn't know my voice, or else I'd just think this was a way to put me off. Maybe she's calling the person who got the job, or, if I choose to look on the bright side, maybe she's calling all the other ones first to turn them down (getting the hard part out of the way) and then will call me and sing Happy Jobday

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

we'll let you know early next week (pause) either way.

I keep thinking about that pause...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I don't blame you for feeling nervous and uneasy in making the call...I'm wondering how long I should wait until I call back

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Do it Vic. Let them know you care.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm SUCH a wuss about this. OH MY GOD. I had my interview Wednesday of last week. They said, "We'll have a decision by the end of the week." Now, it's the end of the week after that!

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I called, what the fuck is wrong all you fuck-ups! Call ALREADY!

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

(note: above is the new Huck Mann Tough Love in action)

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

you are so the guy who's just jumped off the high dive and telling everyone else it's fun.

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, and you can't tell that I whizzed myself because of course my shorts are wet...in fact that's the only reason I jumped, to cover the fact that I whizzed in fear

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

All right you pussies, I'm going home and probably won't be back until Monday. But when I see the sorry lot of youse I want to hear some callback stories that make me neck hairs stand up!
Understand?

(hee hee, i made tinkle)

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 14 November 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay guys I need help interpreting this. I have been up for 24 hours and nothing is making sense now..(and this is the reason I have no fear at all; I'm just too tired and want to get it over with):

I called again. J3nnif3r picked up the phone, the girl who interviewed me (the current assistant), who was supposed to call me back: Oh hi
Me: Hi...so, er, if the assistant position is filled, will you still need PA on the show?
Her: Oh we haven't come to a decision yet, one of my bosses [the prooducers] is ill. But even if it is filled there will _definitely_ be PA positions available
Me: Oh. So I called too early then, sorry..
Her: No, that's okay...
Me: (who was waiting for her to say something like when she would call): so I guess you're going to let us know early next week then?
Her:quietly No, we'll know by the end of the day
Me: Oh, okay. But even if the assistant position is filled, I don't have to interview again for a PA position
Her: passivelyThat's right
Me:so you'll be calling us later today...?
Her:even more passive Yes
Me Or I actually have your email address, I could email you too..
Her: That's fine
Me: Thanks!
Her: You're welcome..

Bye, bye.

Wtf? It all sounded so half-dead and everything, no I'm-sorry for not calling you yet and explaining the situation or reason on her own, no further directions on what to do even if I want to be a PA. Was it all a lie, the coincidental "sickness," and they just don't go out of their way to call the ones they reject for the assistantship?

But she was pretty low key during the whole thing, I mean maybe her phone speaking style i s really detached and passive this way. What's hard now is I can't really call again -today at least - this time I have to wait and if I don't get a call by the end of the day, email her and ask her what to do to start the PA process. I think she did sound sincere - and a bit louder - when she said they needed production assistants. But the rest of it...aaargh...the day ends in 3 or 4 hours..I really should have said I'll call again instead of email, but that might come across as irritating

What's off-putting is that she explained that more than a hundred people had applied to the job (I was one of the lucky few given an interiew since i share her alma mater)) - meaning her email must be full and she may not find/reply to mine, like ever. And when I met the one producer who was there in the office that day, even though I interviewed with her and everything, and asked him "oh so you're accepting PAs too," he said yes, and looked at her, telling her to make sure they had my name down for that. That was kind of discouraging, since it seemed like he wasn't considering me for the assistantship, and had already made up his mind since I'm not a voluptuous, big-breasted thing (like she is, btw).

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

so mann already left i guess? i am bumping this since input is welcome..and i am bored!!

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

She was waiting for you to say, "So, you wanna come over, snort blow, and fuck?"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 November 2003 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

she looks like the type. i think thats why she couldn't talk right

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 14 November 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Vic, that sounds maddening.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 15 November 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I was supposed to get a call from my one potential job *last* Friday!! I've called and emailed and aparantly she's busy... why doesn't she just get it over with and say she's not offering me the job...

― Sean (Sean), Saturday, 15 November 2003 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah she never called, of course. It's so stupid - I mean why go through all that trouble and come up with a lie about how the "boss is ill" when I ALREADY asked her about the PAship, ALREADY assuming the assistantship is filled - if it's true, why couldn't she just say it? It's retarded, and while a teeny part of me will be wondering if something will happen on Monday, for the most part I've moved on and will just continue applying elsewhere.

― Vic (Vic), Saturday, 15 November 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Update: No new messages.

― HuckleberryMann, Saturday, 15 November 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

You have to treat this stuff exactly like finding an apartment. You can be excited about the possiblity, but don't start planning the drapes and where your bed's going to go. Call back and stuff, but in a professional way, i.e. find out when they expect to make a decision and then DON'T bug them about it before then. If they say they're going to call back "by the end of the week" but don't, ring them up within the next day or so and say "hi, I was expecting to hear from you by now, is something wrong?" They are responsible for being professional, too, and it doesn't hurt to subtly remind them. But if they don't call back that's FINE because it just gives YOU more TIME to continue looking for other things! Just like with apartments, you HAVE to keep looking for other stuff until the moment until it's all been sealed with a kiss cause it could all go kerflooie at any moment, for a whole host of reasons that have NOTHING to do with you. Some of the conversations here are reminding me uncomfortably of post-breakup scenes.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 15 November 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

and pursuant to the break-up metaphor, RESIST the temptation to leave long rambling messages on their voicemail!! If you really have to leave a message make it very brief. They have actual jobs to do and groceries to pick up after work and etc - their first impression of you should not be "hm this person is adding more things onto my list" it should be "hm this person might just make my life easier"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 15 November 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

(Huck, you can remove the boy from the e-mail address but you can't remove the e-mail address from the boy.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 15 November 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

good luck Vic and Huck btw!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 15 November 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

update: no new messages

but since then, I have agreed to become a regular contributor to yet another publication that doesn't pay very much (though they asked me, and it's nice to be appreciated like that) and I was offered another stand-up gig at the end of the month.
So everything's going my way. And I'm going to see George Carlin tonight.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

a stand-up gig¿¡
you get weirder with every post, huck.

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Dyson, where were you all summer?
Get Up Stand Up

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

*EEp!* I'm about to call and ask about this position. I seriously doubt at this point that I got it.

I had my third phone interview (a conference call) on Wednesday the 5th.

They said they'd have a decision by the end of the week.

No calls from them.

Here I go...

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm gritting my teeth for you Sarah.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha! Thanks, Huckleberry.

I called. The guy was on the phone. I left a very SHORT and sweet message asking if they had filled the position yet and reminding them that I interviewed with them on 11/5. Now I just need to keep checking my answering machine at home.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you have call waiting?
I don't have call waiting. So I'm afraid to keep calling to check my answering machine for fear that they'll call to say "Huckleberry, you're our MANN!!! HA ha ha, drinks on me!" and instead get a busy signal and say "Well, he's not there. Who's next on the list?"

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I do. I can have up to 7 lines open.

That was the hard part. I am expecting to get a "Sorry, we hired someone else and didn't call you because it would have been a pain in our collective ass" message at home, but at least I'll know one way or another and won't have to hear that in person.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

what could happen is they may've decided to interview more people. which means you wait until they're done. and if your the top of the lot, then you get a phone call. it happened to me once, they decided to have 2 batches of interviews after mine. apparently one of them was better than me. either way they strung me along until they were quite through.

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Dyson, where were you all summer?
i was drinking.

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

cool

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Huh. Maybe, dyson, but anyway, I feel really relieved just for getting that call over with - the ball's in their court now.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe I should call my place. "Hi, you said 'early next week' and guess what? IT'S EARLY NEXT WEEE-EEEK!!!"

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"I think you'll find Monday morning is the most early-next-week there is, actually."

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"Oh, sure, you could claim early Sunday morning is earlier-next-week, but that reeks of Papistry, don't you think?"

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

"Well, the more you call, the closer we do find ourselves to making a decision..."

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"You can probably tell that right now I'm NOT having sex."

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"Thank you! I'll be here till you hire me!"

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Horace if they said "early next week" and you don't hear from them by Wednesday afternoon, call them. They have an obligation to do what they say. If you call before then, they will put a little sticker next to your name that says "desperate."

If they get a busy signal and choose someone else because of that... well in all seriousness fuck that, who would want to work for such chumps? SERIOUSLY.

Fuck phone interviews as well, btw, unless it's in another city. Tell them you prefer doing it in person. Unless you are really really stinky and have growths.

Good luck Sarah!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Unless you are really really stinky and have growths.

Good luck Sarah!

Ouch!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Well Sarah has wisely chosen the phone. Granted, it will be a surprise on that first day, when she walks in with the several finger-like protrusions coming out of her cheek.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

HA ha.

I would have opted for an in-person, but I'm so very far away from Chicago. :-(

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Message to employers everywhere: you suck!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(that's really going to help me, I think)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Hello, Adam. We were going to hire you but then heard that you said we sucked, so never mind! Humph!

― EMployer (coco), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

phone is ringing, ringing--there's my voice! it's me, telling me that I'm not home! Of course I'm not home, how could I be calling myself unless I wasn't there? I feel like Marty McFly--oh shit, I missed the beep. Punch in the code! the code!
"to hear new messages, press one one"
If anyone is listening outside my door, they probably think I have a woman in my apt. A ROBOT woman!
"there are no new messages in this mailbox"

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

haha you really love this girl don't you!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Hello, Adam. We were going to hire you but then heard that you said we sucked, so never mind! Humph!

hahaha!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

If I could program the answering machine robot lady to say she loves me, I would never leave the house.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm calling the messages at home now...

Yikes they called.
Oh no, wait, that's an old message.

And another old message from them. I guess I never erased those.

So, no news.
Blah.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 17 November 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

No messages for me either. I am filled with dispair.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 17 November 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't despair, Sean!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

It is a most unproductive emotion!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I. HATE. MY. JOB. (TODAY.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I am still waiting to hear about a job I applied for in JULY!!! Since then, I have had THREE interviews (with a total of six people), not one but TWO writing/editing tests (in addition to all of the writing and editing samples I gave them when I applied), and last week I got a call that they STILL weren't ready to make an offer. I was told that I was a "serious candidate," but what does that mean?

The thing is, I really hope I get the job. I've been able to handle my current jobbie only by placing desperate hope that I have a really cool job option. Which I don't have. Yet. Argh, I really feel the pain of fellow waiters-by-the-phone.

― quincie, Monday, 17 November 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

you are insane. Since July? That's just wrong. If I had been hired in July, I wouldn't have the job anymore!

Anyway, update: no new messages, but I did call an old flame out of the blue.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(Insert joke about very hot flames being blue here. Sigh when joke completely fails.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah if they're not in much of a hurry to fill a position, it's probably not worth taking.

― hstencil, Monday, 17 November 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I am up for an interview, though it's only for a temp job. That said, it's (much) better paid than any film job I've ever done, so it would keep me nicely in film stock/transfers while I prepare my "portfolio" in my spare time for the next two months (deadline is November), and it's downtown, which is nice. I need to learn Excel (properly) and Access FAST!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

They are e-z. No problem.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

They're both fairly easy to learn, good luck nordicskillz!

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

this is turning out to be a surprisingly optimistic thread...for now...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks guys - one problem is that I am a mac user, and have no opportunities to learn Access. Where can I go? I think I should be okay with Excel...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, my earlier post should read "deadline is February"-whoops.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I learned Access without access to it. Ha ha.

Just go to a bookstore, sit down with a cup of coffee, and study a book on it. You should find it's pretty straight forward.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a crap version of Excel, right?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's a relational database, or whatever. If you don't take full advantage of it, it's a crap version of Excel.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Glad you told me!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

This is also the point where I think stupid things like-

Glasses or contacts?
Play up the accent or tone it down?

I think too much.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

(can you tell I'm desperate?)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

update: no message

x-post: play the accent further, try to affect a really self-congratulatory tone or a really debasing southern drawl. Employers love that shit.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Adam, play up the accent.

(Huck, "Oh, you have an accent, you must be from Southern Canada!" "A-yup.")

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You are all quite right that it is insane that it should take these people months and months to fill a job. I suspect that the problem has something to do with the fact that a current staff person is preggo. Normally I'm all in favor of FMLA (which guarantees that you can take 12 weeks off and not lose your job to, say, ME). But right now I'm not so keen on FMLA because it is fucking up my job scene!!!

I would have dismissed such insanity long ago if the job itself wasn't my dream job. I say this even when I know that if I get the job, I'll be taking a wee pay cut from my current job. Perhaps that is where I am most insane.

So please advised. Has anyone taken a superior job for less money and regretted/not regretted it?

― quincie, Monday, 17 November 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, I mean "advise." It's an editorial job, ha!

― quincie, Monday, 17 November 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

So please advised. Has anyone taken a superior job for less money and regretted/not regretted it?

Depends. I took a pay cut to work in the industry I wanted to work in, but I was very bitter about it, and it didn't last long (though there were other "issues"), but there's nothing as terrible as a bad job, whatever the money is.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, you know, that job I'm waiting to hear back from would be a bit of a paycut, especially since I wouldn't get bonuses. Aw, screw 'em.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 17 November 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't even know what the money would be in my job...they asked me what my salary expectations were and I was like "Nuh-uh, I'm not playing that game!" Because I always find out that I asked for waaaaaay less than I could have gotten after it's too late. So they're going to make me an offer, if they offer me the job.
At this point, I would take less money, but not a lot less.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

esp. since that would be illegal

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm... That place didn't call me back even after I left a message. Supposedly, the guy was on the phone when I left it, so surely he checked them before he headed out.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

this is turning out to be a surprisingly optimistic thread...

-- Huckleberry Mann (handsomishbo...), November 17th, 2003.

Cough, cough, ahem. Yeah no one called, yeah I guess the "boss is ill" story was a total lie, yeah I emailed and got no response, yeah I've sent out X # of resumes after that to again no response...

But strangely I don't feel depressed about this now - I think I'm just getting bored of wallowing in frustration - but even more emboldened by all of this..this insanity that's gone on for ELEVEN MONTHS now. I mean, I've just accepted the fact that maybe I was born to work at the supermarket or gas station ("temporarily" or not - it's a matter of survival now), and will find a job like that if it's the second to last thing I do. [The last would be to sell crack, of course, which would _not_ be that difficult to get involved with in my 'hood.]

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

checking my home messages...ringing, ringing...hey it's me! no message. BOO!
but "early next week" isn't over until, say, noon tomorrow?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I just learned that if they ask me if I'm planning on getting pregnant in this interview tomorrow, I don't have to answer because it's ILLEGAL!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

that's right, they can't make you pregnant during a job interview, it's in the gay constitution

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Not without your consent, at least. And not as a test to see if you're suited for the job (unless maybe if you're applying to become a surrogate mom).

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

if makes any of you happy you can email me your phone number. i will call and leave a message to validate your neurotic machine checking ways. however, i make no guarantees as to the contents of said message.

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

no new messages. i'm not getting this job, am i?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Not with that attitude, mister!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Huck, I think it's time to enjoy a glass of sweet, sweet booze.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

please sir, can I have some meaningful work?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

You won't like it.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, it's still work.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

If by "meaningful work" you mean "beer", then yes.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

If by "meaningful work" you mean "sucking my fat cock", then absolutely.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

see, this is why so many straight guys are homophobic--they're afraid other dudes will treat them the same way they treat ladies.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That is also why many gay guys are aggressively flirtatious to straight men -- to give them a taste of how they treat the ladies. (Also to sleep with them.) (NB This doesn't mean to imply that my joke above means I want to sleep with you.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I am definately in despair, btw.

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

If by "meaningful work" you mean "beer", then yes.

With a frothy head to show for it.

Fingers crossed, M. Mann....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris, PLEASE ignore the temptation of the "frothy head" joke.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean-are you looking for more design work? Or just anything?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

But I brushed my teeth and everything!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

No offense intended, but I wouldn't hire you after reading this thread either. I doubt any employer would feel good about specific details of a hiring process being posted on an open message board. However google-proof you think it is - even this much info is bad form to reveal : "It's a job with a non-fiction TV production company. (they've won an 3mmy!) as a writer/researcher on a new series they're developing". And why are you sitting around posting notices to a bunch of people you don't know when you could be doing something productive (some freelance work, some ideas to pitch, some preparation for your next interview)? Act like a professional (or at the very least act like an adult) and you might just get a call-back next time.

Good luck.

― Freddy Beeswax, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

(NB This doesn't mean to imply that my joke above means I want to sleep with you.)
that's the other reason for homophobia, we're afraid gay dudes won't think we're sexy. Het-Man hate rejection :(

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, guys, who am I? Good luck. (insert funny accent and facial expression)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Peter Lorre?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course, Freddy Beeswax is not wrong, is he?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Condescending, maybe?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

In parts, p'raps.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Common sense, maybe?

― Freddy Beeswax, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Adam: in all honesty I've hardly been "looking" at all. I glance at craigslist (what very little is on there is totally picked over, I've never gotten a reply from maybe 40 resumes I've sent out based on postings there) and the classifieds, and hope my several agencies call me with a gig (which has happened a couple times - the call that is but not the gig). I'm totally lost as to what I should be doing. I know it sounds a bit pathetic, but when I was last in the job market I barely had to lift a finger and the jobs came to me. And this was when my skills were, shall we say, in a rougher form than they are now. I suppose I should be looking harder, but how/where?

As far as being open to other work, sure I am. I'll do anything I guess. It doesn't even need to pay well. I just need to get out of the house.

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Chris and Horace's rampant flirting made someone jealous.

(xpost)

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, Freddy, I'm in a bitchy mood today.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean, I will try and email you soon.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as being open to other work, sure I am. I'll do anything I guess. It doesn't even need to pay well. I just need to get out of the house.

I feel you, mate. Try to do things you enjoy (outdoors) to get outside....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Freddy would be more wrong if Huck was using his real name. Or if that job description really gave that many specifics about the job. (I'm not going to spend the time to see if I could google out what the employer is, but why on earth would the employer be googling for "non-fiction 3mmy" anyways?)

And I don't think this board is filled with people that Huck "doesn't know" who could offer him no professional help.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

No, but he's right about pissing around on the internet instead of being productive, although I guess that's a personal choice.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

me hypocrite

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not castigating Horace, btw.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

You're castrating him?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yes.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

for not being professional.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Honestly, if I do get this job, it will be at least partly because Hstencil kicked my ass into doing a callback on Friday.
Also, were my future employers to gazoogle my REAL name (Shirley MacHubbard, fyi) they'd find plenty more reasons to not hire than ILX: bad poetry I wrote in 96, petty cd reviews I did when I was first starting out as a writer that for some reason the subjects have kept up on their websites as a badge of honour to be lambasted.
But, uh, I've barely been on all afternoon anyway.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Look, I'm just trying to give Huckleberry some worthwhile advice. How does he know that someone in his potential workplace - or a colleague or friend of someone there - isn't an ILX reader? If somebody posted a thread about a job I was interviewing people for, and then proceeded to reveal details of it and then post blowjob jokes on it - they would not be getting a call back. I did a quick google based on details from his post and I'm pretty sure the production company he's applying to is P******s in A*****. Job interviews are meant to be a confidential process, and rule number one is that you don't talk about it until you get it.

― Freddy Beeswax, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway I'm willing to flirt with anyone, there's no reason to be jealous.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Who the fuck would want to work with an ILX lurker who didn't appreciate blowjob jokes? That's like working with a crazy person!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

beeswax. not even close.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

hooah!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, you're right & I'm wrong, Huck. This is a really great way to go about getting a job you want. Good luck!

― Freddy Beeswax, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Offering constructive criticism or being a dick?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Huck, why aren't you applying to Piranhas in Action, though?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

no, look, soory, beeswax, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I understand and appreciate what you're saying, and honestly had those concerns.
and really, you didn't get that name just from what was mentioned in this thread did you?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, wait, it's actually P******s in M*****! Sheesh.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd hire huck. really i think in the case of this thread the advice is probably worth more than the risk.

sean, what kind of design work do you do & where are you looking. up until 3 months ago i hadn't had full time work in 10 months. after looking very hard for a very long time in 3 different major cities i finally found work. if you want any tips or whatever don't be afraid to ask.

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah I knee-jerkingly defied Beeswax. but you didn't get that just from info on this thread, you'd have to plug in where I live which isn't hard to figure out from a couple of seconds looking around

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post) in the field of graphic design, that is.

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

But it's also not really something that the employer could google up.

OK, now to google up this awful poetry.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

OH MY GOD! Tell me that isn't yours.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"the rod of my insanity"

That's terrible, Horace!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

see, now that could cost a feller his job.

I went through a Kerouac phase when I was 18 and 19. things look a little less shitty in that context. but still, maybe I should ask them to take that down...if there's anyone at the other end of that...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post-what?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

On a further update, I just received a call that the job I was going to be interviewing for tomorrow has been filled. I am going off to choke on the bitterest lunch I can find...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

No, just say it's someone else's, it's a common enough name, right? Right?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

the bitterest lunch i can find ~ a peom by mr. h. mann

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Isn't anyone going to email me or anything. I still haven't slept from Monday. I'm just feeling down on how I may have wasted today since I'm low on energy, but again, none of the temp agencies even called..

And before a Beeswax of my own emanates here from lurkerdom and chastises at me, he should re-read the thread where I talked about everything I've tried doing since graduation in order to be "productive" while magically awaiting a job to appear, with the exception of making shit up/lying on my resume. I believe the count is almost 160 resumes now that I've sent out

I could complain about choosing this field, or being born in 1980 (=generational bad timing), or etc but i'm too tired, and know that something will sooner or later MUST come of my year-long efforts. Or at least I need to delude myself into believing that simply to keep on, instead of caving in to moving back home, like X # of other graduates. I just know that with my family situation, and how my dad is really putting the pressure on now to go to grad school in a field Of His Choice (MBA, Law, etc) and basically being honest in how he can't help me out anymore (and I'm grateful as to everything he's done so far anyway, while trying to not let the "you have no chance..." "choose a profession that will make your family proud," .."think about our social standing," lines from the last letter get to me), I'm very close to hitting rock bottom here. I don't want to play games, I refuse to be emotionally blackmailed or corralled into being a "good son" to just jump off that cliff of obedience and live life on their terms, and I know I must stay strong here, or else it will set a precedent all of the impending arranged marriage mess that's around the corner. [Must learn from the sibling-situation, etc] I was rationing food for a while, and this is why the thought of working in a supermarket is perhaps subconsciously attractive to me. If I'm going down, it's not without a fight!! [Cue melodramatic horns...:CYMBAL CRASH:...]

The worst thing to do is lose hope. If I don't at least fool myself into believing that I am confident and the most qualified for that job when I go into that interview, I really don't have a chance of getting it - and the same goes for receiving a phone call or an email about scheduling that interview in the first place. But this is all easier said than done, when you have so many months of bad experience disproving your crumbling optimism, it's hard to retain an unshakable faith in one's job-procuring powers. Especially when you've never had a "real" -real job before in the first place.

I wish I could, if nothing else, get a job to lose it at some point, so that at least the unemployment benefits would be available! Never mind, i am deranged, but this thread makes me at least feel that I am not alone in my situation. Hugz to ya'll - and may the phone ring for you soon (saying good things, as opposed to what @d@ml heard)

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

or being born in 1980 (=generational bad timing) please explain. thank you.

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Vic - Haha! My parents also still want me to be an accountant or something. It's tempting to say we both deserve what we get for choosing the field that we both want to work in (except you have a better alma mater!), but if anything, that rejection makes me want to go home tonight and research/email people until I'm falling asleep at my desk.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The glory days are over, Dyson.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm so sorry, Vic.

Ok, everyone, I ask for your professional and not so pro advice.

I left a message with this place yesterday and they haven't called me back. (see history upthread)

Should I call again? Potentially leave another message?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, call again. Now.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Ditto. Put yourself out there....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh. My. God.

They really haven't made a decision yet! I called and asked for another one of the people I interviewed with on that conference call, since the one didn't call me back after yesterday. She said that most of the people in the office have been on a trip to New York, AND that the decision has been placed in the guy's hands who interviewed me first - and he's the one who really really liked me and said there's be a decision by the end of the month.

Then the woman said she'd try to find out more about where they are in making a decision and call me back.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Um, yay (hopefully)?

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Dyson, that wasn't some hoodoo reference or anything: I just meant that for people born around that time, who are 22-24 now, it sucks since they have to graduate when the economy/job market is at an all time low. It was kind of flippant, since I know there are a lot people who graduated in the "golden years" of 1996-'00 who hae pretty much lost their first or second jobs as well...but at least they got them, in contrast to a lot of graduates today who are getting jack shit, elbowed out of the way as they are by older, 30-40something unemployed workers [with "more impressive" resumes as the temp agency woman put it - duh] who are snatching up the entry-level positions.

Wht makes me most irriated at this moment is this Time cover story, talking bout how "new opportunities" are springing up in 'places you wouldn't look" - ooh la la! walmart hired so many people this quarter! 20,000 jobs were created - only 2.1 million to go to break even, George!
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101031124/story.html

Sarah- YES call! Even though I probably shuld have called my own "we haven't made a decision" chick back, but emailed her instead - and now the job posting online has disappeared, meaning it's probably gone...

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Update: ok I went ahead and called my one pending potential job back since they've dragged their heels in contacting me. They didn't get a piece of funding they were expecting, so they are putting off filling the position until January. On the bright side, she told me she liked my portfolio, which is encouraging.

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate not knowing, but at least that guy that didn't call me back was out of town and not just snubbing me.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay Sean. See, a little despair should be lifted now..that sounds positive. Of course, it's also stupid to not call back tell you they won't fill the position until then

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

You do design work, yeah Sean?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is not dispelling the notion that employers are for the most part inconsiderate, self-serving assholes.

(sorry)

HR people are the worst.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. Design and layout, print media.

― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

My last sentence is so messed up!.. I mean it's also stupid _for them_ to not call you back yadda

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

haha @d@ml they're just being "professional!"

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

that hurts, h.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Should I call back that girl again then? I'm just thinking..i mean the assistantship is probably gone, bit just to ask about the PA position. She really didn't sound like she wanted to talk to me though, she didn't keep her word about letting me know by the end of the day on Friday, and she didn't answer my email, and took the job listing down from online. It seems kind of obvious

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe this is stupid-but could you not call her on the pretext that the listing has come down and you want to know if it's been filled? What's the worst that could happen?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

You're right, i have nothing to lose. I mean her opinion of me is irrelevant in the long run, since even though she interviewed me, she's just another assistant, not a producer-boss.

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, but today's PA is tomorrow's Executive Producer...

;)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

aaaaargh! that was weird HAHAHAhaha. I feel like I'm coming back from fighting a war or something!!

I called her, and she gave a curt "yes" to when I mentioned who I was, and I said "I assume the assistant position has been filled...so i was calling about the PA position ...?"
She said the show hasn't gone into production yet - no mention of her "boss being ill" or the story from last time - i knew she was awkward!! - but that she'd give my resume to "Julia," who would be calling me..."the week before Thanksgiving."
Me, in order to say something: "oh the week before December" ...Her: "yes, we will definitely be needing you..she'll give you call" - which wounded like a lie..
Me, mustering up more of my aggressiveness: "okay so do you have an email address for her?"
Her: blag@blah-blah.com"
Me, realizing I may actualy be needing this email address: "okay there's no underscore there"
Her: "no"
Me: "okay thanks..."< CLICK > before i could get in another "friendly" word...and she hung up. like that. ha

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

she obv TOTALLY was not expecting that hehe. i can imagine her rolling her eyes at me after she hung up, or laughing at the prospect of giving my resume to the PA person

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

er she said the week after thanksgiving. i think.

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

this is the week before Thanksgiving. The week with Thanksgiving in it is the last week of November.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

are you being snarky to me intentionally again

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i know when thanksgiving is, in case u thought i'm a british immigrant - thats @d@ml! i just made a mistake3 posts ago when i said 'before," i meant after

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

it does feel somewhat good though to have made the call. i mean, invigorating in some way. like a "i can conquer my petty phone fears, rowr" kind of feeling

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

What is this Thanksgiving you speak of? Is it when everyone donates their spare auto parts to a Native American family of their choice?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

it wouldn't matter to us foax what it is, since we're on permanent vacation, remember? holidays have NO MEANING

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I just posted that because you sounded confused. Stop being so paranoid.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil i handshake you -;).

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean the "last time you were in the job market" sounds like the last time I was getting jobs handed to me on a silver platter, basically pre-2000. The internet was like (I'm stealing this) the Full Employment Act for people more or less our age, and it was no big deal. We had skills they wanted. Now, doing design work is more like it was in the 70s and 80s, you gotta hustle, And hustle, I hope I'm not being condescending when I say this, is what you must do. It means doing things we would never DREAM of doing before. For instance, just showing up. Asking to talk to the design director. "I'm interested in working for this company. No I don't have an appointment, but if he's got a minute or two I'd love to talk to him/her." Or the HR person, if they brush you off. Telling them how much you love their company and it's been your dream to work there, etc. I cannot stress how important actually seeing people in person is. And getting there at like ten o'clock. You show up and it means you are serious. If they're not ready for you hey, it's expected really, but you do enough of this and you will get something. Just checking around on internet job postings is not going to cut it these days I'm afraid. Lameness I know but it beats going down to the loading dock at seven. Damn sorry for the advice-column aspect but I have been there, and this is what worked for me.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I've already said this to both Sean and @d@m, but:

I was out of work for three months in 2001. I do web front-end programming/layout/IA. Nothing very complicated, nothing that THOUSANDS of other equally qualified people can't do as well as me, I think. I fucking freaked OUT because I was getting married in a year and at the time the economy was truly in the shit can, even worse than now. Believe me I didn't sleep for days. I was utterly destroyed and heartbroken and miserable. I was able to apply for a job a day though, but I didn't get anything promising until I went through an old college friend who referred me to a place where I'd already applied through HotJobs (they never even saw the resume I submitted through there because they got over 500!), and even then, even though I had a fucking referral, the HR woman didn't get back to me promptly at all. But I had her name and phone number and I called EVERY DAY. AFter I got an interview, I called every day. They called me back for a second round, and then I called every day after that. I made a complete pest of myself. AFter every interview I wrote thank you letters to everyone I talked to. They finally hired me, although not for the job I interviewed for and not for anything remotely like the salary I wanted. But it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't called them constantly, I'm positive.

HR people can be dim. But more likely than anything, they are busy and completely buried in resumes. Unless you contact them constantly there is no way they are going to remember you because they are dealing with 100 people exactly like you every day. If they are trying to schedule interviews for you with people who work there, they have to work around everyone's crazy schedule. After those interivews happen, all of those people have to find the time to get together and come to a consensus of what they thought about you, all while still trying to get their shit done. All of this takes time and none of it gets communicated to candidates well, so you have to call and ask what is going on. This is sad and depressing but it's the truth. In almost no case will calling them daily ruin your chances for getting a job, I am quite confident.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

@d@m-

if you ever need a crash course in excel or access, please let me know!

gygax!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

anthony is ot fuckin m.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Kyle/"Anthony", that was excellently put!

gygax-I will take you up on that.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

update: didnt get it

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry to hear it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

:-(

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

well, now I've got an excuse to resume smoking and start boozing it up (just in time for lunch!).

actually (and I won't go into all the details), I still feel good about it and there may be further updates in about three months.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, Huckleberry Pie Mann. :-(

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I was debating whether to post something about how you should let this "make" you start smoking again, but I didn't want to get moralistic on you...

But I'm glad to hear it's not a total wash. And, you know, I'll be in town in two weeks, for what it's worth.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

holy cow, that soon alreadY?!?

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

it's just been this vague "soon" or "the fall" for so many months now...

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, we arrive Wednesday Dec. 3rd at night from Winnipeg, play on the 4th, and then play Moose Jaw on the 5th, and then we have to go home, bleh.

This is of course assuming we make it past customs.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, Horace.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

tracer, otm, basically said what i was going to about finding design work.
but i would like to add
1: embrace criticism, show off your book when you can & listen to the advice you get
2: unlike the 70's & 80's we have the "internet". you will be expected to understand web design (if you're traditionally print) to some degree, the more you know the better. i taught myself flash & html & that's what got me my job - even tho it's mainly print.

sorry, horace - hava drink on me. perhaps some poetry will exorcise your demons. sorry.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the poetry was his demons.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

poetry is my daemon mistress (us poets spell it with the A, it's called poetic license, and it sadly neither entitles you to drive a car nor shoot ducks)

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

It does allow you to -- wait, no, I'm not going to be sucked into your stand-up routine!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

...There may be something happening this end, but it's very tentative and a bit complicated...Possibly more later.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

haha! non-post of the year?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i might post a witty response ... if i do it will be in a week and a half. maybe 2.
possibly.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordic, that's...great? Maybe? I don't know. Possibly.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Uhh, thanks. Maybe. I guess. hush hush, etc.

More excitement to follow!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know if I can handle it.

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 21 November 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

thank you for shopping at Blither and Blather, we hope you'll come again at some indefinite future time, possibly to make purchase, or even just to look around.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 21 November 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

When a job becomes available, but there's nobody around to take it, does it make a sound?

*zen*

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

And...does it still pay?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay...here's the deal. I have been contacted by an employer who I interviewed with in the summer. They offered me the job, and I turned it down nicely and with justification, and asked if I could keep in touch. At the time, I thought there would be better things out there. Now, with three months of job-searching behind me, I see it for the opportunity it is. I have pestered them on and off for a while (for reasons that I hope will become clear), and they now want to "talk" about a possible position, apparently much like the one I turned down. No offers, yet.

Here's where it gets complicated. Without naming names, this job is in fact at a school where I was intending to apply for graduate study, beginning next Fall. It pays just (barely?) enough for me to live on, but I would have access to all kinds of goodies and toys that I would otherwise pay for. I can also take one free class per semester whilst working (and they don't come cheap at this place). So far so good, but I would be earning notably less money than I do as a temp, although this is the closest to an "industry" job that I am turning up at the moment. The other (good?bad?) thing is that I would be working on a shift system (I believe this department is open 24 hours) while my wife works 9-5. I would also only be working during each semester, meaning that I would have to find other work during breaks.

Besides all this, they would probably realize come february that I am applying to study there. Would this be good or bad? Is it a betrayal of any kind? Perhaps it might help? I would be happy (nay delighted) to carry on working there during the course of my study (SHOULD I get in). This is all probably a bit premature, and possibly bad karmically, but any advice would be welome.

― h@h@ (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see how that's a betrayal at all but maybe I'm missing something. If you accept the job, what you do on your off hours (including study) is none of their concern. I think I'm totally missing something.

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I think you're pointing out what should be obvious to me. Thank you.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I don't see any problems either. What would they care?

― NA (Nick A.), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess maybe I was being paranoid that it would seem like I am taking the job with an ulterior motive, but jeez, it's not like I'm applying to be governor or anything.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The ulterior motive of paying them tons of money???

Go for it! You'll be happier doing what you enjoy.

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

ya, they certainly wouldn't want you going to another school.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Update: I have an interview for a position I applied for months ago, but the hiring process was put off - apparantly they are now ready to fill the job. It's for a case manager position at a litigation graphics company. I'm excited about this because I know about both graphics and communicating with attorneys, so I think I posess some unique qualities. The interview is Monday; I'll post more news as I hear it.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Good luck, Sean!

Go for it, nordic!

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah JOTO

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, what's JOTO?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a kitty.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.kantrowitz.com/kantrowitz/joto/photo4.html

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Jump On The Orange - it's hipster slang.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.kantrowitz.com/kantrowitz/joto/posed3.jpg
Joto!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay Joto the Wonderbeast! And good luck Sean!

(JOTO is slang trying to replace the perfectly fine OTM, and so therefore I mock this attempt at forced neologism.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Taking a cue from hstencil and Huck, I called the hiring manager about that job I have been interviewing for since JULY. The manager was very apologetic and kept referring cryptically to "internal issues" that had had to be resolved; apparently I should hear something by the week after next. She did say that she would have let me know if I "wasn't in the running."

Anyhow, thanks to the people on this thread for helping me to find the balls to call and follow up. That was good advice, I think.

― quincie, Friday, 21 November 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

JAMMIN' ON THE ONE, a hipper, more street way of saying OTM, they can coexist Ned. There's no need to feel threatened.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

SA DA TAY!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

huck is ojnkotbtm¡

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 21 November 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

update:waiting on that call...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

update: I now have an interview in 45 minutes time ( I happen to be working just across the street)...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

update:they hired me on the spot.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

update:no, really they did.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Well dang! That's cool! :-) So now you can afford to fly down to LA more and get drunk with us.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha- "afford"!

(thanks!)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

No, you don't understand, you WILL afford to come down more and get drunk with us.

And yer welcome!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 November 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

WTF? Rock on, Nord!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 22 November 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

woo-hoo! WTG Nordic v. JOTO and also OTW and maybe ROCO

― huckleberrymann, Sunday, 23 November 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I start tomorrow-more updates soon.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 23 November 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Congratulations, Adam. I have an interview tomorrow that I'm excited about, but I've heard that if things go well it's just the first of three interviews. In any case I feel remarkably positive about it.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 24 November 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The interview went well I believe. It's going to be a several week process, but aparantly will know by tomorrow if I'm going to be called back for another interview.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 24 November 2003 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

:-) Good to hear!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean, that doesn't mean "no", so stay positive....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm knackered. real work is hard.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

But rewarding!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Update: I'm not being called back for a second interview.

After the Thanksgiving weekend I'll be applying for retail jobs. Maybe an arts supply store or Virgin records or something. Unfortunately I'm afraid this will barely cover my bills at the end of the month, but it's better than sitting on my ass. And I'll probably be twice the age of some of my coworkers, but I can't let that bother me.

― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, no fun. Sorry to hear that -- best of luck with the new applications.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Tough luck Sean. I'm going back into the fray too. You got to the first interview, so you beat out SOME people. There's something to build on.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

What's a little irksome is I got an email with boilerplate language to the effect that they're looking for someone with more specific experience. Since the job was for a litigation graphics company, and I'm experienced in both graphics and dealing with attorneys, I fail to see how my experience could be any more specific. I'm also disappointed that whatever I'll be doing next is going to be a huge step backward for me, if only temporarily. In any case, unemployment isn't going to last that much longer so I have to do something.

― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"unemployment" meaning unemployment compensation.

― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

(JOTO is slang trying to replace the perfectly fine OTM, and so therefore I mock this attempt at forced neologism.)

Ned, you're just bitter because you never got to wear any Gordon Gartrell fashions.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.gordongartrell.com/images/gord4.jpg

...I don't get it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

It's okay, Nicole; _I_ got it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew the good half of the DanandNed mindmeld would get it.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmph.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean, that sucks. If it's any consolation, I am convinced that these decisions are far more arbitrary than they might appear.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

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