Big Brother (UK 2004) - Get a room you two... oh you have! : thread 7

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Right, so Michelle's popularity rating is plunging the more she gets it off wid Stu, and now they have, its all gone shag crazy over there.

(Umm, why exactly is she now unpop, while stu's odds have remained constant? Oh the nasty girl is subjecting him to all that horrib. sex poor soul. Hey if he didn't actually care for her, he'd have done the daft marriage thingy!)

Anyroad up, it's not all about them! (is it?)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 22 July 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

infuriatingly last night's live coverage (the first i've seen in about 2 weeks) was the aftermath of a big flareup between shell and victor. w'happen?

the rest of it seemed to be s&m recreating yoko ono's bag art from the 1960s. oh um.

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked it when Shell found out that Jason & Victor were nasty and told the others.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

http://bigbrother.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds7075.html

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

You would think that Victor & Jason would start distancing themselves from each other as if one of them goes on Friday the other will be lost. Victor is more paly with the rest but Jason isn't!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I am curiously upset about the wedding reception being a flop.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

How rubbish was their stag do?

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Well yes, that was depressing too, but the bride refusing to dance with the groom is a real downer.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, I wouldn't be dancing with that bubble butt, wannabe gangsta either!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not that I blame her. I just find this whole thing upsetting.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor is more paly with the rest but Jason isn't!

Which is part of the reason why Jason will be going out on Friday and Victor won't. I'd say that Victor's approach will change completely once Jason leaves.

I was amused by the stag party (I haven't seen the wedding reception). I couldn't help thinking that if Jason wasn't there, everyone would have had a much better time. He's like a black hole. Fun just gets sucked into him.

Also I think it might be hard for Shell to forget the image of Victor shouting 'get your tits out for the lads' while Jason stands around practically drooling. I wouldn't stay in the room with them, never mind dance with either of them.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

When Jason said “That was a masterstroke, bronzing my backside last night.” the subtitlers got confused by his accent and instead put up “That was a masterstroke, prawns in my backside last night.”

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, I love subtitlers.

― alix (alix), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor's odds currently range between 11/2 and 12/1. That's some of the widest variation I've seen in any market for ages.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

nobody has still answered what happened between shell and vic last night, does nobody know ??

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

She refused to do the 'first dance' with him because she heard him slagging her off the night before, and appears also to have called him a cunt in the ensuing discussion. The slagging was news to all the other housemates until this point, but not the viewers obv. However later she came out and chatted to him and he's now spilt the JC strategy to her like a bit of a dumbfuck.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I refuse to believe Shell knows the meaning of the word 'cunt'.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

But she's a proper swearymouth girl! God, boys are so easily fooled by blondeness.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Fooled by posh accents too.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone notice how much her ears stuck out when her hair was up last nite?

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

http://habidabad.com/images/gelfling_2.JPG

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahahaha! So v otm!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, Matt, HELLO? They know how to cuss in Glasgow, even the posh students. I think she went on a bit of a cunting spree about Ahmed too.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely not you f@#king c#unting c#nt?!!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

She ought to p1ss on his f#cking face.

― Sarah (starry), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops just re-read my post, I meant that surely Shell didn't say that, not meant as Suzy you are..! Phew, sorry lady!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I was about to say! I'd love to ehar Suzy's response if someone really called her that :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess if I was gonna insult someone like that, I'd take the '#'s out!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

so WTF happened? all i can find on DS and ch4 is that shell thought victor was being mean about her and wanted to talk about it.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, I love subtitlers.

We love you too.

What's this thread about?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you click on the DS link at the top of this thread, Alan?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i did and wanted to know what prompted shell. i think i have it now at http://bigbrother.channel4.com/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=6522

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

michelle is deranged. did anyone see that part where stuart was cooking with shell and michelle was like "shell why are you taking my boyfriend howay to cuke all the time???"

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah - they should that on last night's programme, Alan.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

They haven't actually shown Shell & Victor having an argument or the wedding. That will be on tonight's show!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I can understand Michelle being jealous when Shell is around. She's very pretty and more importantly, has things in common with Stuart that Michelle doesn't.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

posh wetness?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

No, long, blonde hair innit!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

A basic grasp of the English language.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Michelle has a better grasp of English than Stu does. In terms of oral communication, he's about the most inarticulate bloke I can think of. Finish a f#cking sentence, pretty boy!

― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

there was a bit on last night's live broadcast where Stu was trying to explain the parallels between Winston & Julia in '1984' and him and Michelle in the house. Trying and failing badly.

― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

leave stu alone.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 22 July 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

that's to zebedee, not michelle.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I was all for Michelle, but maybe she x-ssed the line. I hate the snobbery of TH and Jason when they say M isn't good enough for self-described 'cleverest man in Britain' Stu, because she is much smarter than he is.

― Enriquqe (Enrique), Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd forgotten what a twat he appeared on the introduction parts. He is Chris Martin, to the letter.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I could belong to TEAM HANDSOME.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

They really aren't all that though. Did you see them on BBLB?

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Stuart is about a billion times better looking than the others.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

You're a fucking cunt, but I'm dancing with you anyway.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus, that was horrible. I take back what I said - Shell might win now.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"Why don't you go and jump in the fucking jacuzzi?"
"Because it'll bleach my suit"

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

And then she didn't. And bubbled her eyes out like a little girl. (xpost)

Is Shell more popular than Victor? Has he fucked it up by pissing her off, or is this just more "love me, love me" playacting by Shell that will be seen through by the Victor massive?

(I want Victor to win just for the Fo' schizzle and a pint of milk please diary room thing)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The next wedding I go to is going to be such a disappointment after this.

Also, call me stupid, but... isn't there a hideous sexual tension between Victor and Shell? It was like two seven year olds in puppy love pulling each other's hair.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

ailsa- the thing with Victor is he's the second most popular housemate (behind Nadia), but also the second most hated (behind Jason). If he stays next week, he'lll come second. If he's up for nomination next week, he's dust.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

But isn't Michelle public enemy number one now? I can't keep up.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Eeewwww. Horrid shagging noises from Michelle. Get rid of one of them already...

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the heavy breather there was Stuart. There was some quasigasping.

Also, wtf was Michelle wearing that ribbon around her head for? The place is full of mirrors - can't she SEE?

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

It's hard to say. Michelle's odds have been drifting like billy-o, she was favourite for about five hours ten days ago, and now she's trading around 12s. I'm guessing the text kiddies still hate the Scot more, though. No Scotsman has ever survived the public vote, have they?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

B-but Cameron won on a public vote...

(other Scotsmen being, er, ...?)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

well one won BB last year so probably. Federico is the only other scot that has been up for nomination anyway.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

sandy the guy that jumped the fence was the third scot.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

And Lynne. Yeah, I'd forgotten about her as well.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, how quickly we (well, I) forget.

And Lynne. And Sada, kind of. but they aren't men anyway (xpost)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"I am cold blooded. That means I can get much hotter than everybody else before I get hot."

Also, leaks say there will be a 'surprise' eviction (although anybody who can count may not be that surprised) during the final week. It won't be decided by the public though - instead it will be a pub quiz, with the lowest score being evicted. If Michelle isn't still in the house, I'll be amazed if Nadia survived that, which would fuck the bookies up royally. Slick to win, therefore, if this is a genuine story?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Not forgetting glass-half-full Elizabeth. Sada grew up in Edinburgh and she was the first ever to be kicked out, but I think that was more to do with the fact that she was a hippie.

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Why the Elizabeth hatred? I never got that. Apparently Dean BB2 has a book out.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

They were all a bit cack during the fish guts general knowledge quiz though.

I really hope genius-boy goes on the quiz if this is true though.

(xpost again)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a surprise eviction rumour going around prior to Ahmed's departure too - apparently he was going to be allowed to choose one other person to be kicked out with him. They've definitely got too many people though. I think they'll somehow get down to 4 by the last week, then have a midweek eviction and 3 left on the last night.

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone actually care about Dan any more? At all?

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I still like Dan. So there.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

He just doesn't seem to have done much of note recently. Without stropping or shagging or being a lovable transsexual (or Jason), he may just disappear without trace.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

B-b-but of note:

"Why don't you go and jump in the fucking jacuzzi?"
"Because it'll bleach my suit"

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Slick to win, therefore, if this is a genuine story
The man who doesn't know what a conundrum is?

In a way I found tonight's row more upsetting than the Big One, maybe because I've seen loads of people have rows like that when they're drunk, and there was no real reason behind it. If they'd been sober it wouldn't have happened at all, unlike the other row which was going to happen eventually anyway.

The thing that amazed me was the two days of Victor gearing up to do some straight talking, like this was the event that the house had been waiting for. Why is anyone supposed to give a shit what he says about them? There's only one answer to his personality deconstruction. Shrug your shoulders and say 'so what'?

Also, props to Dan for not popping Victor upside his fool head.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That was, indeed, a classic Dan moment.

Also, I like his voice.

(xpost)

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i think they will go for 5 in the last week. 3 is boring as fuck anyway especially since neither victor nor jason will be in.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

er, not that i think Jason is interesting.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the thing, if it does end up,as it probably will, with Nadia, Dan, Shell, and Sub/Dom in the final week... give me one reason to watch.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't get me wrong, I quite like Dan. I think he'd be the one I'd like most in real life (see also Anna, Alex, Spencer and Scott). I just don't think he's the kind of guy who will win.

Three in the last week would be exceptionally boring if it was Michelle + Stu + someone else not involved in flirtathon.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Although in that scenario, the person stuck with Michelle and Stu would probably get so fed up with them that they'd go on a mad killing spree and destroy the whole house in an orgy of flame and destruction.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd watch that.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

accentmonkey,

I meant Slick to win the whole thing, in that case (assuming he survives the final public eviction) - he's a strong enough runner up for the bookies, and clever enough to finish halfway up the pecking order (at least) in a quiz. Nadia is unlikely to do better than last, unless her only question is "Were you previously a man?" Even theyn, she'd still potentially fuck it up by not understanding the question properly.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Excellent idea Caitlin. I am praying that it is Victor, though the concept of psycho-Shell amuses me somewhat.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

the concept of psycho-Shell amuses me somewhat.

Did you see her nicotine withdrawal mentalism a few weeks back?

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I was, er, not interested, or rather probably in the pub watching the football. She doesn't strike me as having much in the way of proper psycho tendencies.

It won't happen anyway. There will be some way of splitting Michelle and Stu before the last week as the producers will hope for some Gucci-shoes-from-Paul-Clarke "touching" moment when the other gets evicted into their loving arms / horror when Davina shows the "I've bedded x people since leaving the house" headlines to the second one out.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic BB tonight - Vic and Shell in full wedding dress, standing around bleeping at each other like something out of a Mel Brooks film. The "wedding" is right up there with the round table humiliation of "Nasty Nick".

― Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Michelle's strop at Big Brother for expecting her to have, you know, listened to the instructions for the task, was a bit silly.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Having 'Wonderful Tonight' playing over it all rivalled Harvey Keitel raping someone to the soundtrack of Jonny Ace's 'Pledging My Love' for sheer horror.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"I would want Nadia to win more than Jason, and do you know why? Because she's got BALLS man!"

Do you think Victor realised what he had just said with this statement?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 22 July 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I should say that's in Bad Lieutenant, not real life, or Celebrity Big Brother USA.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

it made me laugh like fuck anyway alba.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 July 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

victor by name.

― cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 22 July 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

anti-k by nature?

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 July 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant Slick to win the whole thing

Ah. I see. I don't think he can do that. I would be surprised.

They just should not give those people alcohol.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 22 July 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The other row was totally alcohol-fuelled, to contradict what I think you were saying upthread. It was about a food fight, for heaven's sake!

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 22 July 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Why did channel 4 bleep out Victor saying C*nt but not Shell? Is the implication that it is OK for a woman to say it but if a man says it then it becomes more offensive?

― Davel (Davel), Friday, 23 July 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It sounded nice when Shell said it?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

> Has he fucked it up by pissing her off

victor's outburst last night prompted me to vote for the third time ever. "Thankyou for calling Big Brother. You have voted for Victor to be evicted". if he didn't deserve the vitriol before he certainly did after.

as mentioned elsewhere (before the ilx blackout) there does seem to be a limit (of 1) on the number of 'cunt's they can air so everything after the first one, regardless of who it was, was bleeped.

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

there does seem to be a limit (of 1) on the number of 'cunt's they can air

This can't be right - how are Jason and Victor are both allowed on?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm well worried that Victor's cuntitude will split the anti-JC vote.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I was worrying about that too, but I've now decided that the anti-Victor reaction will be so great that he'll overtake Jason and be out this Friday.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: Dan's "most men are married or have been married by 30". Is that even true anymore?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Dan was calculatedly trying to annoy Jason last night.

Victor's been a bit silly really, shouting "YOU'RE NOT GONNA WIN!" at Shell while simultaneously ensuring he has no chance whatsoever of winning.

Although since Friday Victor's had an idea, possibly exaggerated, of how unpopular he is on the outside which might have prompted it.

The best bit of last night was when Michelle blamed Stuart for the fight.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

She was right!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Jason will still go because people have realised this is their chance to nuke Jason as Victor will certainly face Shell and Dan next week whilst Jason goes back under the radar. So gut-churning levels of PDA until August, folks.

Curiously, it looks like all the housemates were chosen because of some IRL drama: Victor the bad bwoy (allegedly), Shell's had cancer and her mum's in debt, Jason's a modern-day Barnardo's boy, Michelle lost half her body weight dieting, obviously Nadia - I won't go on, but all of them have something like this...except Dan, who alluded to something he hadn't told the house when he was getting pissed off in the DR one time. Any guesses what that is?

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

what's Stuart's secret?

― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Probably that he was a virgin.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

someone mentioned it earlier but worth saying again because its so brilliant, is how victor tries to put across how chilled he is about the game but clearly he doesn't stop thinking about big brother and he is so involved with the whole concept.

It's very rare that he ~~whines~~ talks about anything else.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't know Shell had cancer. Which makes Victor bellowing "what do you know about suffering?!" or whatever even stranger.

Do you think Endemol knew Dan was in a couple of porn movies?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Shell has cancer? wtf?

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

She had a tumour cut out when she was eight and there was some scare about it returning.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Is anyone else amused by Jason's reactions when anyone mentions bisexuality? He doesn't want to admit it because of Victor, but he doesn't want to deny it either, so he just says hopeless things like "Do I look gay?" I liked it when Dan pointed out that yes he does.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I think/hope Victor will go this week after last night. I dont think they were selectively bleeping dave! Did anyone hear Victor say 'chronic irrigation' the other day in the diary room. haha what a dick!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason's face last night was fantastic - he just sat there thinking "you've blown it now, what the fuck are you doing Victor?" but was too spineless to say anything. Also the entire Jungle Cats strategy is out in the open now, rather foolishly.

Last night did Shell so many favours, she was virtually anonymous beforehand.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty sure they knew about Dan's porn (I don't know anyone on set this year; FOF who works for Endemol really didn't want to take it on if offered earlier this year). From what I've gathered the guy's a bit of a face in Hull, which is not as ridiculous as it sounds as there is plenty for arty/sceney kids to do there, and it is fucking cheap (I have heard hours of Hull worship from a friend from there).

I still think we need another week of Victor. Maybe Dan's not arsed about winning or the money because he's...terminal?

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

cards down I love victor, and i didn't see BB the day before yesterday, but it must STILL have only been the editing last night that made it look like victor came out of that not nearly as bad as ppl seem to be saying. he was a grump and childish, and in an 'i'm nominated" mood that caused him to just keep going when he had nothing really to say (no change there then). but fuck me if shell coming in and calling him a fucking cunt wasn't what actually set things off, it would have set ME off too.

maybe it is the stuff i didn't see the day before. also "feel like i've run over a kitten on my bike" bless

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I really want victor to go on friday cos jason will be on his own. If jason goes victor has always been able to integrate hiself into the rest of the house!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

suzy, that's a horrible rumour to start

― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

well everyone in the house is expecting victor to go so i definatley hope it's still jason to see te look on everyone's face. also victor will shift his personality for the remaining week in the house whereas Jason will just become even more of a mute that he is already.

xxpost

matt dc OTM

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

On BBLB they represented each housemate w/ a 'horse' (something to do w/ betting). Dan's was called 'Nag Nag Nag'.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

He was longing for her to come in and call him a cunt. It vindicated his 'she's the one who's causing the problem' schtick.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Shell was totally within her rights.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

absolutely - "i didnt say nuffink", he WAS being a total cunt.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

he was quite candid about being in a mood, and about the fact he wanted to clear the air AFTER THE TASK, that i didn't see V as doing a pass-aggr grandstand sort of thing. like i say, from the stuff i did see, i can't give it that spin

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan's not arsed about winning as he reckons he will lose 'credibility' for his music or something. Turn him into a 'mainstream' personality or something...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Suzy that's mentalism. If it was true, would you want to waste ten weeks of your life cooped up in a house with that lot?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost - i am obv clearly in a minority on this, so i won't go on about it.)

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I doubt Dan is to be honest as I don't think Endemol would leave themselves open to potential criticism of that kind. You know how narrow minded ppl can be about that kind of thing.

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

as you (i think) suggested on the other thread, ENRQ, Stuart is getting increasingly annoying too. It's not so much that he refuses to get involved or sits on the fence it's more that he can't even see why anyone might get upset about ANYTHING. He has obviously had the kind of sheltered and pampered upbringing that insulates you from anything other than having good fun and getting good grades.

xxp jaunty alan - what victor was doing basically defines Passive Agressive.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt, I think it's mentalism too, hence writing post in total pulp-novel style and saying I don't know anyone working on it this year. But I am correct in that all of them have a 'significant' backstory. As a rule television companies prefer their contestants in reality shows to be way less media-savvy (and/or involved) than Dan shows himself to be, so there's another reason he's there besides being Bastard Relation of Marc Almond.

Mr. Melton Mowbray will kindly note that there's a recurrence of Dan's A Plant rumours and no others about him on any site, anywhere.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm, sherlock Suzy, keep digging, we need to know!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

apart from what you said up there??

good backtracking though

― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway easily, for my money, the most anticipated eviction night ever!

(Last week was so obv going to be ahmed)

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

surely it must still be jason. please

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

It will be Jason, with at least 40, possibly more, % of the vote.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

For the last few week's I've almost entirely followed BB from these threads. If only they were available on TV!

Shell to win, which is what I believe I said within minutes of the housemates entering the house. Will all the inverted snobs admit they were wrong about her yet? "Posh person has personality" shocker!

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris, there is a big difference between rumour and supposition. Taunting me with your ignorance of this is just wilful and boring.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Mea culpa Mark. I am the last middle-class recidivist.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

The last one? Are you sure?

Chris and Suzy are proving once and for all that they will be the first two names on the ILX BB house...

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with Alan up there, I struggle to see what Victor did wrong. He told everyone he was in a mood and for them not to take it personally, and then told her he would have the fight she appeared to want after the task was completed in order not to prejudice it. He then pointed out, as even Dan agreed, that her behaviour was exactly the same as Ahmed's the previous week. I think it was this realisation that made her so abusive to him - understanding that he was actually right.

Her explanation for her side of it ("But I do take it personally Vic, no matter what you say" and the sustained bleating about the champagne glass) was pretty pathetic and made her look like she'd started it for pretty spurious reasons.

All that said, it means I think almost definitely Victor will go next wekk, if not tonight. All the girls (remember, Dan referred to himself as one of the girls during the stag night) will nominate him, which will definitely put him up - his best chance of surviving will therefore be if Dan goes tonight through a split in the anti-JC vote. Although a week without fags for Nadia could be enough to change the minds of the public come next Friday, as she'll almost certainly be up with him.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Markelby - I thought the pro-Shell position was very prominent on ILX from the word go?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe you were reading just my posts (and maybe N.'s)? Most people wrote her off as some silver-spooned airhead. It's this kind of prejudice that us posh people have to deal with every day etc etc

p.s. who are you Alba? A regular under a new name, right?

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Suzy, all it takes is one random googler and you know that it'll be straight on the DS boards, don't call ignorance on me.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Markelby - Dave Stelfox said she was the only one he could bear. I just looked at the first thread and she seems pretty popular.

yeah

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Haven't Victor and Shell made up now? Or something?

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, and Shell's promised not to vote for Victor next week.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Er... how did this about-face come about?

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris and me in the ILX BB house would be ten weeks solid of 'fuck off, I'm cooking' with additional helping of 'no, fuck off, I'm cooking'.

I like Dan. His is the face of a man herding cats nonstop for two months. If it were me I'd have called someone a Muppet by now at the very least.

I believe Cozen knows Shell through friends and said she was really cool, hence ILX hasn't really concentrated on her poshness. Every girl I have ever known to be a boarding school boho, regardless of actual degree of poshness, sounds like that, including scholarship kids. Mark, do you reckon Shell sounds like a Paulina?

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Aldo - it's not just about Tuesday (as shown last night). Remember that on Monday Shell overheard J&V doing their typical slagging and plotting. Something we've got used to, but it's a shock for the other housemates.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I have met friends of friends of friends of Shell too. Apart from them saying how brainy she is, they've said that her boyfriend is really unhappy about her doing it, how it's brought press chaos to friends and family etc., his own mum being doorstepped etc.

I saw him once on BB:LB and he seemed a very reluctant guest. He was cool though, maybe too cool.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

We're going to the evictions tonight!!

Still haven't got a banner!!

― Sarah (starry), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba, I agree but 1) some people may not have seen the Shell revelation (I didn't, I was out on Wednesday night) and 2) she failed to mention it when they made up. It would/should have been easy for her to do so given that they were supposedly 'straight-talking' at the time - instead she relied on what appeared to be a spurious reason, and stuck to that as the only thing.

Interestingly, both she and Victor received their final warnings yesterday for their talk about nominations, but Dan escaped despite telling Victor he had nominated him. What's the betting C4 only show Victor getting his?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

You should totally have a 'cameron to win' banner!
x-post

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

A big pic of Victor with the slogan "HERO AND A HALF, SHELL!"

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I dare Sarah to dress up as Nadia.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess she saw bringing up the overhearing as opening up a whole can of worms that Victor would somehow use against her.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

No you should put 'slick man, rapper slash part time hitman. Hahahahahaha'!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I was rather disappointed that she hugged him. Victor's a classic bully - the champagne trick proves that - and thinks he can win an argument by shouting the loudest. Telling everyone that he woke up in a bad mood and warned people that he was going to go off on one later that day was just provocation. Compare that with other people who might wake up in a bad mood and tell people so they can get a hug and hear some comforting words.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Did I mention that Nadia is from Woking? After Portugal, obv. She worked in Allders department store.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

oo "Although the housemates appear to think that there is a three warnings and out system in the House, this is not the case. How many official warnings housemates receive and at what point is at Big Brother's discretion. " from the ch4 site.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

instead she relied on what appeared to be a spurious reason,

this is may be true but when someone is being silently hostile towards you, with occasional slight manifestations of the hostility (like the wine glass thing) it's often hard to explain why you think they are being horrible to you without sounding like a paranoid fool. The other person can always laugh or brush it off even when they know they are being a cunt to you. That's the frustrating thing about passive aggression. i know cos i'm a bit P-A myself, annoyingly!

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

also...

Shell insisted they hug, telling Victor, "I'm so sorry."

"You don't have to be sorry," he said, as he held her tight. "It was my fault."

Shell told Vic she was in the wrong and he told her he'd been "a jerk", as happiness broke out in the kitchen.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anybody else think it is a good idea that I dress as Nadia?

― Sarah (starry), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"Allders"

Tee hee.

C4 BB page says Shell received a second warning but The Slick Man's was a final one.

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Excatly.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

vic's was his 2nd AND final warning. (see the quote above)

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

his previous warning was a final one too as i recall.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)

So, that's a no. Sorry Suzy.

― Sarah (starry), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm. Tactically in situations like these, I'd *so* call someone on it if I'd heard them boasting to another person they were out to wind me up. It's not difficult to show a devious person in that light when you've caught them red-handed and in any case the camera's got them so if they tried to weasel, no go, because they're not clever enough to actually make something up.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It was Victor asking for the hug, by the way...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd *so* call someone on it if I'd heard them boasting to another person they were out to wind me up.

He'd probably be like "I'm just being honest about the fact that it's a game we're all trying to win. And in any case, I can't believe you're such an eavesdropper. Sheesh."

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i always get very confused during arguments and can never rememeber any of the reasons i'm having it.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Mooro, here is a typical conversation from when I worked at that department store:

Customer looks at Madchen's name badge
Customer: Haha, do you own the place or something?
Madchen: Look at the fucking spelling, you fucking idiot.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Peey Jhesoo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooooo

Pee-ayayayay Jhesoo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooooo

Peey Jhesoo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooooo

Pee-ayayayay Jhesoo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooooo-oo-oooooooooooooooooooooo

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Esp. when the person one is arguing with uses aggression and completely barmy rhetoric. My head just starts spinning, trying to get my position into logical shape but totally distracted by having to deflect their attacks.

x-post

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

pea jesoo made me hide behind the sofa, doctor who style

― dave amos, Friday, 23 July 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard the Pie Jesu practice and contrived to be having a life during the actual performance.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

> I struggle to see what Victor did wrong. He told everyone he was in a mood and for them not to take it personally

not everyone, only michelle and nadia (that we saw)

> He then pointed out, as even Dan agreed, that her behaviour was exactly the same as Ahmed's the previous week.

i disagree with this too. ahmed was being a grumpy, lazy fuck (he got better!), shell had been personally slighted.

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree with that koogs

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

As I saw it when Shell was doing her attention seeking crying thing in the bedroom she hadn't been slighted at all.

― Davel (Davel), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Michelle was funny, with her "don't do it princess" then to Stuart "it wouldn't have happened if we would have done it"

― Davel (Davel), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Michelle won't get over not being the bride until she actually gets to marry Stuart for real!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:39 (twenty-one years ago)

If Michelle proposed to Stuart would he actually be able to get it togeher to say "No"?

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

There doesn't need to be an immediate external trigger to set off tears. These things build up, your head goes through things in certain ways, you know?

I get a bit sick of assumptions that people deliberately cry to get attention. Maybe sometimes some do, but to assume it's the case, when the alternative is that they're in a very unhappy place, seems so cold.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)

you're right, she was genuinely upset and for good reason i thought.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

though perhaps being in a game show with tens of grands at stake in front of a nation of viewers would favour that assumption in many.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Such viewers like appear to be all cynical and savvy but actually haven't got much of a clue, I don't think.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't mean the viewers. i meant those competing. for the money

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, right. Well yeah, but I think it's likely to be those most obsessed with winning that get all suspicious of every move the others make.

I think the prize money's a bit of a red herring - they get more than that from appearance fees, tabloid deals etc. than they do for actually winning, don't they? (assuming they're a bit interesting)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

ok , but winning matters or nothing does.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree about the prize money - I think it was a bad idea to make the prize money go down for task failures because they don't really care, do they? They'll get that back by opening a few supermarkets.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I would refuse to try and debate with someone if they started raising their voice, although this often infuriates them even more. Keeping control in an argument is vital obv and once the shouting starts it becomes farcical and pointless.

Dan handled Vic well as he always does, but I liked Vics courageous attempt to out the big guy even though it was a rather blurry array of post-shell fury.

"Jason out tonight xxx ste" or something

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

a blurry array formed from emotional inertia and booze. i think it ALL was tho. he had nothing substantial to say in the end - does he ever?

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

It takes a lot of nerve to talk Victor down when he's going off. I couldn't do it, I just can't deal with being shouted over -- it's a larynx thing.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Not wanting to argue with someone shouting at you is fine. Pointing out the fact that they are wound up as way of scoring points is not. That's the only behaviour in an argument that makes me want to hit people.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

(Dan ends up getting accused of being angry 'underneath', which is even worse. It's like, so what if he is, but Victor and Ahmed made it so that if he admitted he was, he'd somehow 'lost')

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

If Dan actually introduced the term 'passive-aggressive' into the house Victor's head would probably explode in trying to argue around it.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how defensive Jason gets when someone says he's gay. 'Do I look like I am to you?' I just wish someone would say 'yeah you do!' Oh & that bisexual thing....

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

vic described all the argy-bargy as 'much ado about nothing'. my lady tried to explain to me how clever this was, but i've forgotten the specifics. vic's mum teaches english.

― enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how defensive Jason gets when someone says he's gay. 'Do I look like I am to you?' I just wish someone would say 'yeah you do!'

Dan did - on last night's show.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor is the Don John of the house.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

(Shell is my Hero)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Don Johnson?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant everytime he mentions about 'not being gay' or says nothing when victor is bitching about gay blokes.

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Much Ado About Nothing: Beatrice and Beneslick?

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess there's a wedding in 'MAAN'. Maybe my g/f [or Victor] was just trying to be clever, dunno.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Two - Claudio and Hero and Beatrice and Benedick. Beatrice and Benedick fight lots, but it's really just flirting, and then they get it on. Claudio and Hero are wet and wimpy and he calls her a rotten orange. And Keanu Reeves is shit.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Which means that Victor thinks of himself as Benedick and he wants to get it on with feisty Shell/Beatrice OH NO!

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor suggested Shell was a slapper in his dinner table speech, echoing Claudio's denounciation of his intended, Hero, at the altar (resulting from lies fed by Don JOhn).

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

So Jason is Don John? (I have seen the film. Was Alang Rickmang in it?)

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Not really. He's just an ugly sweaty cunt.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan Pedro.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I adore Dan. I am far more bothered about him than any big brother person ever. Actually though, I do think his way of dealing with Victor is to be calm, yet ever-so-slightly patronising. He treats him like a child or a mental patient. "Now, would you like a cup of tea or a glass of water?"

― Anna (Anna), Friday, 23 July 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

That was fantastic!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor riled him with the "When Ahmed did this you told him to buck his ideas up" comment, though. Until then, Dan wasn't going to go and tell Shell to get on the dancefloor.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

it was a fair point, but Ahmed was a w@nker so who cares!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with pink, shell had far more of a good reason to be upset and not continue with the task than that prat ahmed did.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Ahmed was just a lazy fucker!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Ahmed have traumatic experiences with the military in Somalia? Not that he's not still a twat but that might have been, er, a reason.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

he left somalia cos he didnt want to do national service, not sure what else though!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

http://bigbrother.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds7050.html

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh right, haven't seen that before. I am sure it was very traumatic, but I doubt a female geordie shouting at him brought anything back!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah he's still a twat. Stuart can probably attest to Michelle's trauma-inducing potential better!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i just remembered a hilarious moment from last night. Michelle being told she wasn't allowed to listen to the song again or something and then there was a big *pause* of shocked look on her face and then suddenly her sticking 2 fingers up at the camera and storming off.

But then trying to get out of the diary room but BB keeping the door locked until they said "you may leave the diary room now michelle".

Ha ha ha

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

As a barely-related aside here, someone from my band emailed hc pr0n pics of the skinhead woman from the first series of BB (the only one I've watched) to each member of the band, w/text "check this out!!" WTF??? Musicians are fuckin' idiots. I killfiled him, heh.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 23 July 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Ste: haha, we laughed at that too!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

NOOO NEEHKID NICHOLA!!!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw someone that looked like her the other day & just cringed!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hi I'm Nichola Holt. I like p0rn. Sucky fucky 10 dollar?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/930000/images/_930522_nichola150.jpg

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Umm, I think if the Ahmed secret police military kidnap thing is true then he has MORE reason to refuse to do the task than Shell did. Victor may have been acting like a cunt last night but he was correct about the double-standards at work from Michelle in particular.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 July 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

?Why would you do Big Brother if you have such issues with incarceration?

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

So why didn't he say he wasn't comfortable doing the task for those reasons rather than making up the bollox about he was ill?
enrique otm.

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

most pass-agg house ever?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 23 July 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

> Why would you do Big Brother if you have such issues with incarceration?

alternatively, why would BB impose such a thing as the bootcamp task on someone they knew(?) had lived through such a thing?

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 23 July 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Because it's EVIL Big Brother this year. When will people learn?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 23 July 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

BB caved very soon on the nicotine withdrawal thing. i'd've ramped up the hunger, hot water and sleep deprivation long before now. and thrown in a bit of the sanford prison experiment for good measure.

and on a completely unrelated note, nice to see anjula mutanda on tv again. anjula.com.

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to see Nadia starved of nicotine for the rest of the series. Especially if Jason and Victor go.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

But isn't evil a bad thing? This is like telling the kidz that it's good to be nasty! It's funny to make people suffer! Like they need telling anyway :(

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone else think Anjula Mutanda looks rather like Dr Linda Papadopoulos?

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

BB is on too late for kids surely!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

haha Matt DC otm! Sick, but wtf it's a sick world.

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

IT'S NOT EVIL! IT'S FOR HER OWN GOOD!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt 'Tough Love' DC

― Enrique (Enrique), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Interesting post on DS from somebody who watched the live feed of Shell and Victor making up:

"Watching the Ch4 catch-up, the edited version of Shell and Victor trying to talk their problem to death gave the impression that after a few minutes they were hugging. This gives a misleading impression of the conversation. Anyone who saw the full gruelling version knows that Shell used her pile-driver technique and proved how strong she actually is. She talked Victor into submission. No mean feat, but she's not nearly as weak as she thinks she is. Victor, on the other hand, was rude, petulant, sulky and agressive - too stubborn and proud to shift his stance. This does show how easy it is to alter the slant of any BB event and affect people's opinions of the housemates."

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

So Victor out, quite a surprise it wasn't Jason. Yet another entertaining house mate goes.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Saturday, 24 July 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Best Big Brother contestant ever, surely? "I came on this year because Big Brother 4 was crap". "When the chips are down, the smart man always bets on black". "V-I-C, the ghetto V-I-P, the slickman, rapper slash part-time hitman". My hero.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 24 July 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Also "there are two things visible to the naked eye from outer space, the Great Wall of China and Nadia's jawline".

I wuv Vic, for entertainment value at least. Put him back in like Tickle.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 24 July 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

My favourite moment from last night, Jason going to Vic "See you next week".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 24 July 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree that BB should be more evil to the housemates. I wanna see evil! As it stands, I think the viewers are suffering more than the housemates.

― gizmo (gizmo), Saturday, 24 July 2004 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I texted my mate two bits from Victor's interview - one was the 'visible from space' one, the other was "Someone kicks off at me, I'm going to kick some arse. I'm not about to turn into one of those people Audley Harrison fights."

Genuinely the best BB contestant ever. I despair for the GBP if they don't want him there till the bitter end. Has there ever been a more relaxed, and funnier, post-eviction interview? (Although as someone else said upthread - I think, I may be confusing here with DS - at least him going before the final week means we'll get him on BBLB all week, a blessing in disguise.)

Endemol's manipulation of the nominations process was shocking though - there must have been a pretty good chance Jason would have avoided the public vote next week (Michelle and Shell probably) so they've had to engineer it so the public can evict him sooner. Twunts.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 24 July 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

that's nonsese - ch4/endemol didn't want either victor or jason evicted. They have "engineered" the show ridiculously this year but showing J or V in a worse light than they have shown themselves is not something they have needed to do! If anything im sure Endemol are pretty dissappointed V has gone. Jasone is bound to turn into even more of a mute than he currently is. Victor's interview was wonderful though- i particularly liked him making baby noises at the crowd and encouraging them too boo louder, but he wasnt the best contestant ever, he's not even the best one this year.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 July 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

who dat then?

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 July 2004 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

emma, of course.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 July 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

How would Jason have avoided being nominated this time? He'd have been certain to get several votes, I would have thought. I liked Emma best too.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 24 July 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Of the 1,848,224 votes cast, 93,486 (5.06%) voted for Daniel, 749,869 (40..57%) voted for Jason, 133,355 (7.22%) voted for Nadia and 871,514 (47.15%) voted for Victor.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 July 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

My logic for Jason escaping:

Stuart to vote for Nadia and Shell
Nadia to vote for Jason and Shell
Dan to vote for Nadia and Michelle
Shell to vote for Nadia and Michelle
Michelle to vote for Jason and Dan
Jason to vote for Nadia and Michelle

All consistent with previous voting - Nadia to prove less popular through lack of fags. Therefore Nadia and Michelle to have faced the vote. Jason's fully integrated back into the house already without Victor there btw, according to the C4 website. Is it so hard to believe he couldn't have done enough over the weekend to escape nomination? Also, the booing wouldn't have been lost on the more scheming members of the house - they would have to consider him as someone they would easily come in front of in the final week, so it's better to get a potential threat out of the way than someone who is no competition.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 24 July 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

My logic for Jason escaping is the massive public vote that's gonna get Michelle next Friday (there are no nominations this week; I'm assuming that with the noms conversations breaking out all over the place, the simplest thing for Endemol to do was to leave it entirely up to the public vote this week).

― suzy (suzy), Saturday, 24 July 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason could easily escape on the back of a teenybop/people with any sense coalition to vote Michelle out. My god is she going to be a treat on eviction night.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 24 July 2004 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

A Michelle eviction would be the most entertaining mad-fest ever. However, I'd hate Jason to get the idea that there's a single person out here who doesn't think he's a vacuous, dull, self-aggrandising bully. On a different tack, I'm not sure if I can watch another BB unless the producers ban the use of the following phrases:
"I'm (not)going to walk", "he/she has their own agenda", "playing the game", "being genuine"...

― Adam Faithless (Adam Faithless), Saturday, 24 July 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I went through extremes of completely hating and completely loving Victor - in the end I still love AND hate him at the same time. That's odd. He is, probably, my favourite housemate ever, entertainment-wise. At least up there with Nick, Brian and Tickle, anyhow.

Not impressed with Dan after the wedding fight, though. He was obviously far too scared of Victor to do anything but constantly pander to him, even when he could see he was being a cunt. Acting upon the bonkers notion that Shell was doing the same thing as Ahmed had done by making her come out and 'dance' was callous and stupid.

We like Stu though. He is the terrified put-upon boy in all of us, bullied into shagging a mentalist simply because it's less hassle.

― Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 24 July 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Last night, Michelle was nuzzling into Stu's neck whilst gripping onto him like a barnacle. He was staring past her into the middle distance, totally ignoring her attempts to dry-hump him into submission as she carried on regardless. How the hell does she not realise he's no way as into this as she is? All she is doing, in my eyes at least, is coming across as pathetic, desperate and more than a little dim.

He's not being much better by not just telling her to fuck off, mind you. I can't figure them out at all.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 24 July 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha - told you Victor would overtake Jason! I thought Victor's interview was a bit disappointing.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 24 July 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I still don't like stu. he's worse than me!

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 July 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

He is the terrified put-upon boy in all of us, bullied into shagging a mentalist simply because it's less hassle.

Is there something you're trying to tell me, chicken?

― Madchen (Madchen), Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

yes Madchen, its about your eyebrows........

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/showbiz/showbiz2.shtml

Slick in NOTW. Highpoints include claiming that Becki looks like Splinter from Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, Michelle's seen "more cockends than weekends", and Nadia as like "sticking boobs on Antonio Banderas".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 25 July 2004 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

> Of the 1,848,224 votes cast, 93,486 (5.06%) voted for Daniel, 749,869 (40..57%) voted for Jason, 133,355 (7.22%) voted for Nadia and 871,514 (47.15%) voted for Victor.

did davina really say that victor lost a 150,000 vote lead after wednesday? he hasn't been of any interest in the two interviews i've seen him doing since he came out - his talk is all very well when he's had a chance to rehearse what he'll say but one-on-one he's less pithy. he also has a tendancy to poison the well - dermot changed the subject a couple of times because victor was taking it places that weren't good.

also, sarah, where were you in the crowd. i think i caught sight of you briefly. dark coloured top?

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 26 July 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor banging on about Shell's lack of suffering in life was in itself insufferable.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 07:41 (twenty-one years ago)

God, Victor is dense. Does he not realise that his much-vaunted game plan completely failed because ultimately it's not his game? and that maybe if he'd been as 'non-confrontational' as Dan/Shell/Stuart he'd still be in the house? For someone who only seemed to be in it to win it, he totally misjudged how to play it.

The comments about Nadia are pretty unnecessary.

Also, he is not actually funny in the slightest.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 26 July 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

You'd think that post-Ahmed, Victor would have realised that gigantic bouts of mentalism pretty much guarantee eviction?

Victor is funny but for all the wrong reasons - he's the black David Brent, essentially.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 July 2004 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The key question raised by BBV is: did the harem absorb the 'fence-sitters' or vice versa.

btw Victor *was* the best housemate ever. Michelle to win.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Harem" was a concept invented mostly to bitch about Marco, surely? Jason and Victor were slighted that the majority of the women in the house preferred the campest man in Britain to both of them. Once Marco was out the Harem essentially ceased to exist without his divisive presence and the others started to build better relationships with Dan, Shell etc.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree: however, the shrinks on the Sunday BB continue to speak abt the harem as an existing entity which 'absorbed' Shell, Dan, Stuart -- when in fact the opposite happened. The 'fence-sitters' have been dominant.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, post-Marco the harem was essentially Michelle and Nadia, and Michelle had pretty much already been absorbed by Stuart. And Nadia didn't find it too hard to build relationships with the other fence sitters (in stark contrast to Jason).

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 26 July 2004 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor and Jason's conversation about Nadia's figure (aired on Saturday) was pretty sickening. The only good thing about it was being able to shout at the telly "You're going! Your time is up! Bastard!"

I don't really know who I want to win - it's easier to pick who I don't want to win and the clear leader is Jason. I'm sure he'll go this week. I'm not going to bother voting. Big Brother viewers in vote apathy shock!

― Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor genius again last night (although I was a leeeeeeeeetle drunk). The best housemate ever, and possibly the first one who has understood completely the nature of the game and been so open about it.

"Who's to go? After Friday, Jason definitely. We got the public wrong, guy."

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor has shown himself to be pretty fucking inept at understanding the nature of the game you ask me.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Not necessarily so. Remember that the money comes from media appearances after the show, rather than winning the thing (for instance, Nick Bateman must have made more out of the show than Craig thingy). He's easily the most discussed housemate this year, his post-show prospects are looking good.

And don't be so sure that Jason's going this Friday. Michelle is very very vulnerable at the moment.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)

No Matt, what he's been inept at, and admitted as much last night (and in my quote), is understanding how the GBP perceived him. He's understood the game perfectly, in trying to force the fence-sitters (i.e. the ones that, like Dan, have survived because they've doen nothing anyone can have an opinion about) to do something,

It's odd though, that the GBP who complained so much about how dull it was last year when it got to the final four HAS DONE EXACTLY THE SAME THIS TIME ROUND.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

nah, dan is not a do-nothing. it's sodding victor and jason who spent the whole time moaning and lying in bed!! that's the irony of all this 'fence-sitter' nonce-sense.

― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

enrique otm!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, like Victor, has saved his best performances for the Diary Room and therefore the other housemates perception of his standing is skewed a bit. Probably more so with Dan than Victor. There is mentalism aplenty in the last five with Michelle and Nadia alone.

What happens if Jason walks?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Re-enter Tickle.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be the best thing ever.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

TICKLE IS A TEDIOUS SPENT FORCE AND HAS BEEN SINCE HE STARTED BELIEVING HIS OWN HYPE.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan has done nothing. His whole

"I'll walk if I make the last week."
"I might walk depending on who else is left."
"I probably won't walk."

shtick grew old 5 minutes after the first time he started it. What else is there to him? Also, how can your role be to be the 'mediator' without characters to mediate?

If Jason walks they will ditch the pub quiz, nothing more - they can't roll the voting over so they have no choice otherwise they'll alienate their income. Sorry, voting public.

Nadia has become anonymous since Marco left (as I expected she would), where's the fun there?

Michelle will go this week, the teenage girls are massing their vote to 'free' Stuart. Plus, she looks like this: http://bigbrother.channel4.com/bigbrother/latest-pics/week-09/index-page20.html

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 26 July 2004 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, OK, Dan's story from the live feed last night (I've just read it on the website) about having to "borrow" a panty liner to absorb spunk leaking from his arse is almost funny enough to make me like him.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 26 July 2004 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, so nobody felched him then....

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

ugh. im very hungover, less filth please.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 26 July 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Last night was good then, jed?

― ___ (___), Monday, 26 July 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

yes it was indeed - i always make a fool of myself though. ah well never mind.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 26 July 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

So, gay men are supposed to like eating shit, then? Or do straight people too, only somehow I've missed it?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 26 July 2004 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The first person to mention felching to me was a straight man, although this was explanatory and not an invite. There's also some in 120 Days of Sodom (which always makes me laugh because of the tonal triumphalism of 'They came! And came again! And again! Buckets of the stuff! Ah-HA!' as expressed by the author0.

The people who like eating shit already have their own classification, Mark - coprophiliacs.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

What's felching again? I've never quite been sure.

― alix (alix), Monday, 26 July 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

*SCROLL DOWN IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF A WEAK TUMMY*

Felching is: after unsafe buttsex, the pitcher sucks the erm melange of fluids out of the catcher's arse.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

well, that was the wrong moment to be eating a yoghurt.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, the power of words....say, Chris, if you fancy dropping a stone I'm sure I can organise a full rota of grosser-outers.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

But why would anyone do that? Seems it's just another homophobic insult.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Coprophiliacs don't just EAT the shit, do they?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

No, they *love* it as well. Why would anyone want to felch? Nb, I don't actually want an answer. I think.

― alix (alix), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

it's odd, I know what it is and I (ahem) saw it coming, but my tummy still did a little swoop at the thought

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

What flavour yoghurt?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Cum flavour of course!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, this is nice.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

It's in the Ski low-fat range - a four pack with Crusty Snot, Vomit 'n' Bile and Black Cherry.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Lixi OTM. Mark looking for homophobia behind the sofa again as usual.

Words alone can't gross me out, otherwise reading deSade etc. would be impossible without barfbags.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

it was pineapple actually

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

One of the few things to affect the taste of semen...

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

reading de sade is impossible without barf bags. most people turn white and start shaking like a leaf after about 10 minutes. Even Lautreamont doesn't have such an effect.

― dave amos, Monday, 26 July 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark looking for homophobia behind the sofa again as usual.

Have I ever done this before? Seriously??? In this case I think it's pretty obvious homophobia - think of the most disgusting and degrading thing you can think of, then associate it directly with gay men.

(though in this case I suspect Suzy was just showing off that she knew a bad word without thinking of the inference)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba stole my line, the bastard.

Dave Amos, you are a lightweight. Y'all just made it official. For me the sex in that was so OTT that it just turned into parody/comedy after the first 10 minutes.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I know one gay man who has freely admitted to having done this, Mark. There are people who get off on far more disgusting and degrading things than that...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

suzy my head agrees with you but my stomach begs to differ.

― dave amos, Monday, 26 July 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark, please dismount high horse. Now. Looking for homophobia in me is about as fruitful as a snipe hunt at summer camp.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Is mounting a high horse one of the far more disgusting and degrading things that Matt DC promised us?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

[Is it bad or good that I can't think of anything much worse than felching?]

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Felching a dead horse is surely worse.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 26 July 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I suppose it's horses for courses.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Each to their own ~~horse~~!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

'fecal games' were apparently big in the 80s bathhouses of new york. i fully expect the posh booksellers on clerkenwell road to be stocking a phaidon illustrated tome about it one day.

but anyway... big brother

― dave amos, Monday, 26 July 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Busted to play final night????

This BB has hit rock bottom

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Not if Dan gets to felch Charlie out of Busted in lieu of prize money.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

porkpie -- what? this bb is the best ever.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Is felching strictly confined to butts? I may be sticking up the wrong end of the pick but I thought the term could apply to ladies' front bottoms too.

― Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

it got spoiled when they kicked Emma out, plus the manipulation of the audience has been most obvious in this one, the other night when they were saying - no nominations - straight eviction - they only shoewed pictures of Jason!

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

MISTER MOORE! How can you say such things?

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

emma was okay, but she wasn't the whole show! they were a bit harsh to have kicked her out... but also not, because she was a psycho.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

it lost it's credibility for me after that, unfortunately Vic keeps on watching and I get dragged back in.

I just had a thought, maybe they were going to kick out Victor, but then thought who was the real ratings winner.....

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't really have a problem with C4 fucking around with it, you just have to accept some limitations. victor was a ratings winner because he was funny, and the big common denominator this year is that all housemates are quite intelligent. emma would have been voted out because she doesn't fit that.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

The only way you the viewer can have issues with it is if C4 ignore the vote you spent hard-earned on. Otherwise, it's their programme, it thrives on unpredictability - you can't really complain if they dick around with the format to see what works best.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Still waiting for evidence of me searching out homophobia down the back of the sofa, btw.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 26 July 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I find them all but campaigning for certain people to be voted out a bit distasteful.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a gameshow. but in any case, i just don't understand what people mean by it -- i can't see that nadia has been put in a 'good light' at all!

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe it's just me, but when it was all announced about next week, it seemed like they were trying to get a "vote out Jason" message across. Not that they need it of course.

My favourite is still the first one though

― Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Nadia has hardly had any onscreen time at all for the last couple of weeks. We need more nicotine deprivation.

The first BB seems like a more innocent age now. The Nick outrage seems very storm-teacup in retrospect.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

One difference between this and other BBs: I don't feel I know anything about the housemates lives 'on the outside': even though the nightly show is longer, there's too much going on for a focus on boring conversations. also, perhaps, c4 have realized that this 'backsotry' will come in other forms, ie heat, the tabs, etc, so needn't be repeated on the show proper.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Are any of the housmates not single on the outside? Apart from Stuart that is if you belive the scurrilous press.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

This discussion has nothing on the new Marc Almond book (which is very good).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Victor was/is in a long term relationship, and Shell has a boyfriend. I think that's it this year.

Anyway, in today's news the HMs have to spend the week chained together in pairs. Nadia/Dan, Jason/Michelle, Stuart/Shell. Michelle has, so far, taken it well... but once she finds out the pair have to share beds that all might change.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

This has been done to essentially force Jason to interact with the rest of the group, hasn't it?

Why oh why didn't they chain Jason and Nadia together?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I suspect that's why, yes.

I also think not Jason/Nadia, because Dan might have been successful in calming Michelle down when she goes mental - it's bound to happen, they have to get fed by the person they're chained to, brush their teeth etc - whereas Jason will just let it happen, I think. Plus, obviously, the rate Michelle's been eating at they needed the strongest housemate to wield a big enough shovel for her appetite.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

oh this sounds interesting, shell and stu are linked by the waist. Dan and Nadia will be okay but I think Jason and Michelle will be the one to watch.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

What is the point in denying Nadia nicotine? I mean she'll walk. either that or be really whiny & I'd rather not see that tbh!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

joined at the waist? erm, how do they shit?

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

all they have done is restrict smoking to an area in the garden

(xpost, i think they can unchain for bathroom duties)

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh, this is like terrific lost reality TV show Chained, presented by Mel out of Big Brother. A whole week is mentally good.

(on Chained they had some extra special long chain that they were allowed to use for going to the loo)

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

shell and stu are linked by the waist

Hee! Well done Endemol for milking the Bunny Boiler Michelle narrative for the last few weeks. I only watched like 20 minutes of BB over the weekend but that consisted mostly of Michelle stalking Stuart around the house then pouncing on him and wrestling him to the ground as he vainly struggled to free himself.

Emma getting kicked out was hugely unfair but probably beneficial to all concerned in the long run - she stayed sane, there was no more violence, and if she'd stayed instead of Victor we wouldn't have got the Harem v Jungle Twats narrative which kept the tension simmering away.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, the friend of good pal I mentioned upthread *DID* wind up needing the work and is therefore on set in a fairly responsible capacity this year. They *DID* actively recruit for the most differentiated bunch of contestants, and actually wanted a hermaphrodite but had to settle for Nadia. This is all I can say that would not identify my source!

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Tonight's episode was very dull. That old problem of keeping in people one likes vs. keeping in those who will cause trouble and make for entertaining viewing is looming. I hope they chain Shell and Stu at the groin.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 26 July 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

They are allowed 'off-chain' for the loo.

So, Michelle is going to be evicted this Fri. For sure, yeah?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know, I got the impression that last night's channel 4 show was quite pro-Michelle. She may have followed Stu around, but at least it showed some relaxed chatting and having a good time and herself and Stu and Nadia in particular looked like real mates hanging around on holiday. Whereas Jason came off looking like a scary loner type. It seemed like they were saying 'remember that you all really hate Jason. Don't be distracted by Michelle. Get Jason out.'

I also don't see why nicotine is considered any more of a luxury than caffeine. If they're not allowed cigarettes on basic rations, why should they be allowed tea and coffee? Certainly when I was a smoker I would gladly have sacrificed hot drinks for smokes any day.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

There is a good chance Michelle might go on Friday if she doesn't quit being such a bunny boiler! Still I think Jason should go, only from the pov that it is of no interest to me watching him grimace whilst he exercises & not speak to anyone. Dull, dull, dull!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

But "Voting Out" factor depends on antipathy, rather than indifference.

Michelle is coming across as bossy/clingy at best. (Second time at least she's 'joked' about Stu making bread with Shell).

I don't want her to go, (I still have £20 on her at seven to one) (heck I'd bet I get longer odds now huh?) but it seems inevitable.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I really can't see Michelle taking more votes than Jason this week, he's out for sure.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

We'll see.

Anyhow, I reckon there will be a nomination round in the last week. The one housemate to get the most votes to go. Purely my guess.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:18 (twenty-one years ago)

How many people are actually being evicted - is it one or two? Because Dan-Shell-Nadia-Stuart in the final would be k-boring.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, any four people in a room would be dull by comparison.

I might be the only one, but I wonder if Nadia will make the final four. (I like her fwiw)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Putting weights and keep fit equipment into the house was a good move on the part of the producers - it's kept Jason from walking, but it also means they get to show plenty of footage of him pulling faces and grunting. (And OMG he's going to kill himself lifting with his back all curled over like that!)

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

At least Michelle and her "oh stu don't lift that!" onlooking comment was sincere.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Indeed! My back was hurting just watching him!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

but he's not lifting with his back - he's just pumping his arms (and his chin) up and down, the back isn't being used. do hate the macho 'och, it's not heavy' thing though.

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Although it's his arms that are doing the pumping, because he's bent over like that, the weight of his upper body plus the show-off weightage are all being supported by his lower back. If he'd stood up straight and done curls, for example, the weight would have been transferred down through his legs in a pretty straight line.

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)

he's being a fucking idiot: it will fuck his back. michelle was otm: he is trying to get a ripply back.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

He already has no neck!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'm not a Doctor, but i don't play one on tv"

i think the damage you do when you strain your back is mostly due to the movement and, well, there is no movement there. the weight would also be supported by his lower back if he's stood up straight. wouldn't it? i'm guessing he knows what he's doing.

"are you wearing lip gloss?" was kinda funny given the amount of preening (prawning?) he himself does. he's gone back to flirting with dan now that victor's not there to cast aspersions.

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.channel4.co.uk/media/entertainment/tv/B/bigbrother_5/BB5_jason_weights_266x94.jpg

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved that conversation he had with Dan about macho & feminine gay guys!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:ivXdngeJAqYJ:www.homestead.com/Federation_Archives/files/Evek.jpg

― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised Dan hasn't started with "Ugh! Hulk ANGRY!" pisstakes. Disappointed!

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Watching the highlights tonight made me think that actually this chain task has done Jason some good, he even seemed to be enjoying some moments.

and what the hell happening at the end ?! Stu trying to cuddle up to Shell, probly dreaming but hilarious when he looked up to check that Michelle never saw.

"have you got your strap on?"

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Watching him dancing to The Wurzels was the first time that I've actually rather liked Stu.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what Michelle was playing on the recorder, but I was amazed she passed the Wurzel's task...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 06:48 (twenty-one years ago)

but how impossible (and unbalanced) was that task. part 1 - learn *4* lines of poetry. part 2 - decipher and transpose onto a recorder 30 seconds of music.

shell went up in my estimation again last night.

― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Jason def looked liked he forgot himself & actually started having fun last nite. Him & dan are def flirting again. Also 'have u got a strap on' was the funniest line evah!! And she said it to the perfect person aswell!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Michelle has reportedly been telling the others that Stu is not as well-endowed as she'd hoped.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Shell gets cooler (and hotter) every day.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Word.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are there never any nice guys on BB huh?

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Stu and Dan are nice guys, aren't they?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Shell's great. She'd probably resigned herself to being written off for 'poshness' until Victor's eviction, and the expression on her face was classic when he went - she looked GUILTY. But is really the cleverest person in the house and realises that every dig taken at her by house bullies is making them look rather charmless if the next second they have to come running over to be taught, for example, how to play something on recorder.

Michelle's starting to do mean girlie shit to her throughout the task just because she's chained to Stu. Shell won't cry this week because she's probably been on the receiving end of girl bullying before, and knows what to do to make the aggressor look a right bitch without saying a cross word. And it's working - Michelle keeps pushing, whether it's pretending to forget Shell's name, borrowing her clothes and ruining them, or pointing out what a slag she'd probably find Michelle if the latter was chained to her fella and bossing her around while in chains. End result: Jason stays. And caterwauling.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

But not fanciable though! I love Dan, but I don't find him attractive. And how on earth could you find a lap dog like stu attractive?
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Suzy otm, michelle is doing herself no favours!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

classic=st asking shell if *she* knew how to play recorder. it was his first act of micro-rebellion thus far!!
nb: how are they going to get an xtra person out? 1 this friday, 1 mid-week, 3 on final night makes five.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I did not realise nice meant attractive. I thought if anything it was kind of the opposite.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I meant nice from the nice looking pov as you & Enrique were talking about how 'hot' shell was.

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I may have dreamt this thing about Michelle slagging off the StuCock. I thought I heard it on 5Live's round up of the papers, but it doesn't seem to be in the Sun or the Record.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

cool AND hot pinX0r: win-win

― ENRQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I was trying to work out how you'd play combine harvester on a recorder - I think it has a span of 9 notes, which would mean you'd have to start on top D to fit it all in. And Shell started it on top C, hence the rubbish melody around the low notes. If they'd failed them it would have been pretty harsh.

"I think I'll just go and check on ~~Stu~~ the jacket potatoes"

― Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently they've cooled on the idea of the pub quiz and are just going to have the person with the least votes come Wednesday evicted. On this basis, I can definitely see Jason making the final night:

Michelle looks (and is, at every bookie) odds on to go on Friday, so without a last-week-style collapse Jason is safe.

The final week is interesting though, as it moves from an unpopularity contest to a popularity contest. Jason may have plenty of people who hate him (hence the 45% vote last week), but he definitely has fans as well, and fans that will vote for him - not least the Scottish lobby which swept Cameron to an (at times) unlikely victory last year. Do either Shell or Dan have such a fan base to call on? All they have going for them is that people don't hate them. (An underlying assumption here is that Dan has lost the gay lobby to Nadia.) On that basis, either Shell or Dan to go on Wednesday, and the other to leave first on Friday. Jason third, Stuart second, Nadia to win. The only way I can see this changing would be if Dan somehow gets 'the gay vote' back from Nadia, in which case evictions in order to be Shell, Jason, Dan, Nadia, Stuart.

(btw - none of this talk of lobbies is menat to be insulting, but there is always a big section of any community who will vote for 'their own' out of solidarity without considering any other factors)

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Shell is ok but can be annoying when she seems to cry for, at times, not much of a reason, but overall far more likeable than michelle whenever I've had the chance to watch this.

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― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Taking this a bit further, I think Michelle has lost the 'geordie' lobby, which she had in a big way about a month ago...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

does shell have the 'middle-class blonde girls (and their admirers)' lobby? count me in!

― ENRQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a small lobby. Nush failed last year.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

If Michelle goes on Friday then Stuart is fucked. The only entertainment to be gained from his presence in the house is watching him being utterly out of his depth.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, choice of words, Matt. From what my friend's pal said about this year's recruits is that they were picked to drive each other bonkers SPECIALLY (Ahmed being whacko in particular - tales have circulated about his eerily ultraspartan living conditions, as seen by BB peeps). And lo and behold...

I still like Dan better than Shell but they do split the boho artphag tribe right down the middle.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

People should get rid of Jason. In terms of entertainment Michelle-Stuart-Shell beats weird gurning twat every time.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

It's cute, it's like watching an ugly stepsister get her man as Cinderella tries hard not to convey her innermost thoughts: 'Deluded lass actually thinks I'd do sloppy seconds after her? Euw!' while trying not to laugh in her face.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)

People can be too hard on Michelle. She can't help being insecure.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what it comes down to, whether the large number of people who voted (and lost) last time voting the same way again, or if their anathema has risen to vote against a new candidate.

Personally, I think Kerry will get it.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha Mark)

No, but the way she's acting is just kind of beyond insecure, considering HE CAN RUN BUT HE CAN'T HIDE. Shell never tells anyone not to do anything that annoys her and complies with the big egos, quite rightly figuring that if she's annoyed by something the public will have worked it out before her because they can see the rest of it through the magic of voyeurvision. So the 'ignore digs, be good at stuff' tactic works.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a lot of respect for Michelle but without her righteous feud with Ahmed she has less gojng for her than Shell who just happens to be hott PinX0r, it isn't like a main criterion oh no.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Suzy, I think you and many others tend to attribute tactics to people too readily. Subconsciously, that may be what Shell is doing, but I get the sense that it comes to her naturally. It's the same way I am, I guess, so I feel like I understand it. Letting people make fools of themselves. Some people call it passive-aggressiveness, I guess.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I think bandying the term 'passive-aggressive' around has become the new 'issues'. Sometimes, when others piss us off we have to hold fire, especially if living together in a house designed to piss people off. Each person has a different level of what they'll put up with

I think Shell's behaviour comes naturally to her too. But she's seen how people react to her and in a very hothouse setting - we'd all be giving some thought as to what the pattern of evictions meant if in her shoes.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

No that's not the main criteria, she has to cool & hott!

I think shell is just that way inclined!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I completely agree about 'passive-aggressive'. I first came across it in Husbands & Wives and thought: "Yes! That's such a great term!" But I don't think I have any idea what it's supposed to really mean anymore.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, Woody Allen can rationalise passive aggression into ANYTHING. I think people who go on AND ON about other people doing this are paranoid narcissists anyway.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, or just proper aggressive. Which BB housemate was it you said was a textbook definition of passive-aggressive? I've forgotten.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer was v attractive PinXor, dont you think?

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer rwor, etc. I only found out last year that my cousin went out with him when he was a humble puntsman. She was in the tabloids and stuff with her (not very sordid) story, but my family somehow neglected to pass this vital information on to me.

I see now that it wasn't suzy at all re: p-a and they were talking about Victor on the wedding day. Hmmm...

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Is was Victor that this thread (but not me, as I struggle to understand what it means) claimed was a textbook definition of passive-aggressive.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It was jed. I guess Victor's snippiness with Shell that day (followed by the 'but I never said anything to her!' defence) was kind of passive-aggressive, but a very cack-handed version of it.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

spencer? the CB guy? jesus.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The closest a HM got to it was Vic moaning that Dan was really angry underneath, so Vic said Dan was, essentially, in the pop sense of the term.

Bottom line: Shell knows the plot of Heathers first-hand from boarding school and is coping better than I would.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

CB?

i was thinking more of the bit where Shell was asking victor why he was being horrible to her and he was saying "we'll talk later, yeah?" but in a pretty intimidating (but not) way.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

suzy--yeah, but poss you are imagining that posh skool is harder than normal skool. it's just hard in different ways. i don't think michelle's schooling wz much fun either, fer example.

CB=Cambridge

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Cambridge, I think - not Citizens Band.

Spencer was a bit too cocky and I didn't like his belching pride, but other than he was great.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer was v attractive PinXor, dont you think?
If you find ppl that don't wash themselves clean then maybe, but not for me at all!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

No, it's not about quality, it's about being in a setting with people who can have a go 24/7, and most of the bullying at posh school is psychological/sublimated into sport eg. hockey whereas at any other school annoying people just get twatted after classes or the persecuted party has some privacy, can shut the door on it until the next day.

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Aside: the punt we were in on Saturday in Cambs was Spencer's - the drunk Canadian girl who punted us rents it off him.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

In a complete change of tack...

Has anyone else spotted that the 'tilting head' conspiracy has been bang OTM again this year? Will only be wrong if Jason goes after Dan & Shell. That's three year son the trot.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd imagine michelle had a pretty rough time at school as she was, to put not too fine a point on it, a fat lass...

but i see what yr saying about 24hr/no escape bullying suzy.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh I'd forgotten that Liz!!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Is was Victor that this thread (but not me, as I struggle to understand what it means) claimed was a textbook definition of passive-aggressive.

I think it's ILX for "he's never actually _done_ anything to me but I still think he's a cunt".

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Explain more about this tilting head conspiracy. Shell tilts her head, I know.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha, I just read in a specialist magazine that Spencer has a new tv programme coming out on Discovery home and leisure where he goes fishing around the world - the lucky blighter

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I can take any more of Victor's "Put it this way yeah.." rants on BBLB.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Head tilting:

There's a conspiracy theory that the more tilted your head is in your official publicity photo on the C4 website, the sooner you go. I can't remember the exact order for BB3 or BB4, but it was spot on.

http://bigbrother.channel4.com/bigbrother/

This year, in order of tilt, I make it:

Becki (went at the first opportunity - have listed first and outside from the group because she came in late)
Kitten (went at the first opportunity - OK, was removed but would have gone)
Emma (second to go)
Vanessa (third to go)
Marco (fourth)
Ahmed (fifth - this is a tricky one as his head is not square on, but is clearly quite tilted. It's difficult to see exactly how much)
Victor (sixth)
Michelle (beating Jason for seventh)
Jason (eighth possibly, unless I'm right upthread)
Dan
Stuart
Nadia

Stuatr and Nadia are very close, almost too close to call. I've left Shell out because her head, again, isn't exactly square on - but isn't tilted much. A top three finish, unless I'm right upthread.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Extraordinary.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Any opinion on how tilted Shell's head is? I think possibly slightly less than Dan's but not by much.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Stu to win??? Nooooooo!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I definitely think it could happen. I'm surprised his odds are still so long. I don't know why more people aren't bored with Nadia.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a great Michelle sound clip played on the radio this morning. I'm paraphrasing, but it was along the lines of "Best wishes for the bride and groom; I wish my best that the bride falls in the mud and it ruins her dress and she starts crying because she's stolen my day from me."

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

A great quote from the Slick man on the webchat last night. In response to "Was Stuart ever part of the Jungle cats or was he pretending to be?":

"He was at the start, but then he got neutered so, he's probably lying around somewhere in London Zoo, with kids throwing lollipops at him."

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Poor Nadia! Sympathy vote up, though.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Big Brother (UK 2004) - Chain of fools: thread 8

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

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