guys, Kelsey Grammer is playing Dr. Hank McCoy in X3 [SPOILERS ETC]

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The film will be directed by Brett Ratner (Rush Hour), and will also star Vinnie Jones (Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels, Snatch) as Juggernaut and Maggie Grace (Lost) as Kitty Pride.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

I read this in some magazine in the office kitchen like 6 minutes ago.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

it's going to be shit, let's face it. ratner is the ultimate hack.

― N_Rq, Monday, 6 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Frasier Crane, meet Hank McCoy, Hank McCoy, Frasier Crane

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't there some other guy gonna direct it, that backed out for "personal issues"?

I really hope this doesn't suck, Sideshow Beast is like maybe the most inspired bit of casting of all time.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 6 June 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

BRETT RATNER???

― IT'S OVER. GO HOME, FOLKS!, Monday, 6 June 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

it was gonna be matthew vaughn of 'layer cake' (hence vinnie fkn jones).

― N_RQ, Monday, 6 June 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

this will be terrible.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Original director backed out so because it was interfering with him having sex with Claudia Schiffer.

― Huk-L, Monday, 6 June 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Godd..DAMMIT!! Why can't they get this franchise right?! I'm still reeling from that horrible teenage Rogue and Iceman crap. Where the hell is Gambit?! And now Brett Ratner to to direct X-3? This is like that Batman crap all over again.

― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Monday, 6 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

the first two movies are really good, I think. but this third has disaster all over it. Bryan Singer worked so hard to do the first two right, I'm surprised he bailed on this one.

Is Layer Cake any good? The pedigree (lock stock, snatch) is bad.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 6 June 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

I liked everything about the first two but the actual stories. Although, the sequel was much better than the first.

― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Monday, 6 June 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Ratner to be replaced in shock change by Joel Schumacher!

I'm sorry, I said that wrong. I meant Michael Bay.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 June 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

this summer's Michael Bay movie actually looks good tho, in an extremely unoriginal way

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm too tired to repeat my ILC about the subject comments here, so I'll just paste them here wholesale:

I've seen only Rush Hour, but that was pretty good. No one's expecting X-Men 3 to be more than good popcorn entertainment with some allusions to racism/homophobia thrown in for good measure, right? Singer (who was an "intellectual" pick to direct the first two movies) certainly didn't manage to do more with the franchise, so why's everyone so disappointment with this Ratner dude?
Having said that, I'd love to see Joel Schumacher direct this film. He's done some fine queer-themed flicks (anyone seen Flawless?), and it would be cool if he'd expand on the "they may look like us but are different"/"mutants coming out of the closet" themes hinted in X-Men 2.

-- Tuomas (tuomas.alh...) (webmail), June 6th, 2005. (Tuomas) (later)

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How would you rate Xmen compared with Daredevil, Tuomas?
-- Andrew Farrell (afarrel...) (webmail), June 6th, 2005. (afarrell) (later)

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First of all, Tuomas, you might be one of the only folks in the world that dares pairs the word "Schumacher" with the word "fine" in terms of his filmic ouevre. Also, my kneejerk fanboy instinct when you conflate Rush Hour w/ either X-flick is to find you and spoon your eyes out, which I'll refrain from acting on.
Maybe I'm too close to the source material to really be fair, but both X-flicks (especially the 2nd one) were exemplary popcorn flicks, in terms of bif-bang-powitude, and in terms of doing some of the things that popcorn flicks tend to not do (like, um, offer characters you give a crap about). The X-flicks ably established at least 8 or 9 specific personalities, and even gave small bit-players brief moments on-screen to do their thing. Credit to the screenwriters, for sure (and the source material), but a less-skilled director probably screws the farm animal trying to ably juggle all these folks.

Meanwhile, Rush Hour has two main protagonists that aren't anything more than Hollywood Cop Stereotypes running around doing Hollywood Cop Stereotype things for nearly two hours. Freakin' ICEMAN (a guy that's on screen for maybe 15 minutes total between both X-flicks) has more substance to his character than either of those Rush Hour dipwits. Maybe The Rat can step up when the material's more substantial - I haven't seen any Ratner flicks aside from either Rush Hour - but, knowing what little I know, I don't see that happening.

As for Mr. Joel - given his campy ensemble work on the Batman franchise, I'd rather be subjected to Battlefield Earth II than think about him coming within spitting distance of another funny book franchise.

-- David R. (quoteidio...) (webmail), June 6th, 2005. (popshots75`) (later)

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I thought the protagonists of Rush Hour were sympathetic and nicely fleshed out, admittedly within the stereotypical confines of a buddy/action flick. Still, I don't think Rattner can influence the screenplay and the pre-established characters that much, and at least he can do the action bits well.
Am I the only one who actually liked Batman Forever (haven't seen Batman & Robin)? Sure it was campy, but decidedly so. Batman doesn't always have to be dark and brooding - in my book there's room for a less serious interpretations of him. The whole idea of a multi-millionaire playboy dressing up in a tight bat costume to fight crime with the help of various gadgets is innately camp, no? Anyway, whatever you feel about his Batman films, you shouldn't judge Schumacher by them only. His careet is quite uneven, but he has made some good and interesting films.

-- Tuomas (tuomas.alh...) (webmail), June 7th, 2005. (Tuomas) (later)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

Ratner directed Red "Better Than Hannibal" Dragon, didn't he?

― Negativa, True Believer (You know you love it when I'm dressed in drag) (Barima), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

yes he did. but it still wasnt as good as Manhunter!

― latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah. 'better than hannibal' isn't very high praise, now. tuomas, i think you're being cynical about the x-men films. i don't think the race/sexuality stuff is ephemeral to them at all.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

'better than hannibal' isn't very high praise

Well, duh! It's still watchable entertainment, now.

i don't think the race/sexuality stuff is ephemeral to them at all.

In theory, maybe. At the end of the day, there's still the bashing of a man in a funny helmet to be done.

― Negativa, True Believer (You know you love it when I'm dressed in drag) (Barima), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the gay themes are there for a few isolated scenes, like the one in X-Men 2 where the teenage mutant comes out of the closet to his family. That was a good scene though; the mom saying "Is there some way you could not be a mutant anymore?", the kid brother flipping when he hears his brother's "different"; the other mutant making the joke about how it's in the dad's genes... But that's one scene, and in the end of the day it's still an action film. This is why I liked the Spider-Man movies more, in them the action mixed better with the serious themes. And the Spider-Man comics were already more action-oriented than X-Men to begin with.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

well, yes it is an action film... which treats serious themes. it's not almodovar. thank fucking god. it's allegorical, fantastical, and dramatic situations tend to come down to life or death. i think they're two of the best mainstream films of the decade.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

But my point exactly was that they shouldn't have been so action-oriented in the first place. The X-Men comics were more sci-fi/fantasy than action, and the serious themes were given lots of space there... That's what I expected of the films, not some stupid kung-fu fights.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

I'll admit though that the sequel was better than the first one, which was rather disappointing.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)

oh, i've never read the comix!! i had this argument with an alan moore fan yesterday re. 'from hell'. i liked the film; she had read the book.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

Tuomas, the X-Men have been in a fight at least once a month for 40 years. How are they not action-oriented?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

I like From Hell the film too, though obviously the comic was quite a different thing. It's not that I think the original is always better than the adaptation, the first X-Men flick would've been mediocre even if I hadn't read the comics.

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― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 10:22 (twenty years ago)

I meant less action-oriented... Sure there were constant fights in the comic, but they were rarely the main appeal of it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

Actually, that depends on who's writing. Plus, with Wolverine in the books for 30 years now, the violence is kind of a given!

― Negativa, True Believer (You know you love it when I'm dressed in drag) (Barima), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

Though I must say, that T is right in a major regard - there's a reason the X-Books get tagged with a big, honking "soap opera" notice/slur.

― Negativa, True Believer (You know you love it when I'm dressed in drag) (Barima), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

Brett Ratner + Vinnie Jones = suckage beyond belief

― Leon hearts Crazy Frog (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

considering X2 was written and directed by gay men . . .

― anders, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps it can be saved if all of the xmen wear new costumes like this:

http://www.smh.com.au/text/ffximage/2005/03/20/jackman_narrowweb__200x359.jpg

― Leon hearts Crazy Frog (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

I remain optimistic that Patrick Stewart as Professor X, Ian McKellen as Magneto, Famke Jannsen as Jean Grey/Phoenix and Huge Ackman as Wolverine will continue to be totally fucking awesome casting choices. The rest of the movie can be Jar Jar Binks making out with Winona Rider in a tub full of sauteed onions for all I care.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

We like the way you think, TOMBOT. Fly out to Hollywood to meet with us in re: your Winona idea.

― Hollywood Execs (Haikunym), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Nora Ephron to TOMBOT meeting!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

brett ratner is a WAY better director than bryan singer!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

i mean he makes movies that shoulld be totally terrible yet somehow end up being bizarrely, immensely watchable (see: "the family man"), while singer makes movies that should be totally great yet end up sucking way more than they should (see both x-men movies).

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

you're trippin', dude.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

bizarrely, immensely watchable (see: "the family man")

this is like, asylumworthy

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

(to.the.sounds @ of.muslimgauze)

You seem bitter, sir.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Which is more watchable, The Family Man or Revenge of the Sith?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

you gotta admit the x-men movies are much worse in practice than they are in theory!

(xp: family man! revenge of the sith don't got tea leoni in the shower yo! sorry but i said it!)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh, s1ocki.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

The Achilles heel has been found.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

seriously, i don't see how bryan singer is so much better than ratner. both x-movies are total studies in frustration! i mean they have really nice stuff in them, sure, but... i'll take fun sizzle over boring steak in a hollywood event movie any day!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I kinda agree with Slocki, especially regarding the first X-film.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Whoops, X-post. In my opinion the movies should rather have more meat and less candy. But if you're making action films, at least you can do thst honestly and with a soul (like with Rush Hour).

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

!!!!

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Okay, reading this thread is becoming the equivalent of falling down the rabbit hole.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

tuomas is my man!

by steak i mean, "interesting gay subtext!"

by sizzle i mean, "x-men in action doing their stuff!"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Loud is the new good.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

i just felt that x-movie #1 & #2 were all good SETUP with very little payoff. i need payoff!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

You need X-Men money shots? So much is clear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

"YARGH!"

"Jeez, Wolverine, and I thought you were pissed when your claws shot out of your body."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I thought the Tonys were the money shot.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Then the Aretha duet was the sad bitter aftertaste.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Money shots, aftertaste. Wow.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

They should just go whole hog and have John Waters and Jerry Bruckheimer co-direct this bad-boy, with all kinds of boom-pow action and totally out of control mutant fuck parties. And teabagging.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Brett Ratner = Bizarro Bryan Singer

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Same number of letters in their name. COINCEDENCE?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

In further good news, a little background on co-credited screenwriter Simon Kinberg:

The scribe already has experience working on adapting Marvel's superheroes to the screen; his word processor was the one that last touched the screenplay for the now filming FANTASTIC FOUR movie (also a Fox production) and he also did a rewrite for the studio's DAREDEVIL spinoff, ELEKTRA.

So there's that then.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh good lord. (I do like the idea that the word processor works of its own volition. The pretentious fuck.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

He also gets writing credit for xXx: STATE OF THE UNION and MR. AND MRS. SMITH (for which I nurse a small, mad hope).

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Eeep.

However, clearly this man gets the money. Therefore I must rob him.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

THE FAMILY MAN??? Seriously, s1ocki send me yr drugs dude!!! Worst torture ever: being stuck on a Greyhound bus in the middle of the night playing THE FAMILY MAN and yr headphones have run out of batteries so you have no choice but to listen to this movie. Arrgh.

Also I'd like to point out that Red Dragon was actually a pretty good movie, regardless of the fact that I'd probably think a movie that was nothing but Ed Norton reading the Farmer's Almanac for hours, in front of a background of nothing but morphing nature shots, was quality cinema.

Rush Hour is also not terrible but I don't think it's really the type of movie where a good (or bad) director would make an enormous difference, I mean you'd have to be really, really spectacularly incompetant to mess up a Jackie Chan movie.

I mean it's well known to all the world that Peter Jackson is now BEST DIRECTOR WHO EVER LIVED or whatever award he got for LOTR, and I mean seriously, Peter Jackson??! Let's not judge too harshly on Ratner, he might be a secret visionary.

Or he might make X3 horrible, horrible and I will be so, so angry cos I really love X-Men and X2.

― Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

ps especially Ed Norton with dyed blonde hair, like in Red Dragon. I'm not really helping my point that Red Dragon was actually quality cinema, am I?

― Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

http://www.manhunter.net/remake/gfx/160/ed_norton_will_graham.jpg + http://www.ducks.ca/aboutduc/news/conservator/184/images/almanac.jpg + http://www.fashiondish.com/issues/images/oct1300images/Winona%20Ryder%20180.jpg + http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue154/jarjar.jpg + http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_SM/0038-0411-0516-1306_SM.jpg = http://www.ngfl-cymru.org.uk/vtc/ngfl/history/gcse_usa_rev_elander/dollars.gif

― Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

xpost -- We're taking it into account. Meanwhile, did you ever see Meet the Feebles?

That equation, meanwhile, is the greatest thing ever posted.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

I forgot two important parts, before the equal sign it should read this

x (http://www.biogro.co.nz/images/milk.jpg + http://www.smh.com.au/text/ffximage/2005/03/20/jackman_narrowweb__200x359.jpg)

And no, I have not seen Meet the Feebles yet. It's somewhere in my Netflix queue!

― Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

You will think better of Mr. Jackson after that one. Nicole and donut will back me up on this. :-) (And yes, two essential elements for the equation indeed!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

Layer Cake is (surprisingly!) good.

X1 and (particulary) X2 are great!

Brett Ratner is the DEVIL.

Just clearing things up for you all.

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

they show movies on greyhounds??

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

yeah. bad ones.

― Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it was actually a Peter Pan.

― Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/Imagezz/peter_stand_small.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:18 (twenty years ago)

(oh and Ned, I don't think BADLY of Peter Jackson...I just don't really think that, regardless of enjoyment level of any of his prior movies, many people were particularly prepared for the level of...artistry present in LOTR, regardless of my general opinion of the films)

― Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:18 (twenty years ago)

The scribe already has experience... FANTASTIC FOUR ... ELEKTRA.

Good lord this movie is going to suck. I suppose it was crazy to think that the X-men franchise might last beyond two films but I'm still disappointed.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

Heheheh. Fret not, Ally, your point is taken. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

only thing anyone ever showed me (or actually, everyone) on a greyhound was this ould fella who stumbled out of the bathroom in the back, stoned, holding his dick. I learned my lesson: never sit in that back seat, no matter how "cool" you think you are by doing so. also, on greyhound busrides from NYC to Chicago, cliques have formed by the time you get to Pennsylvania.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

Do the cliques ever engage in open warfare?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

I rode a greyhound from Santa Cruz, CA to Indianapolis, IN. I saw only tornadoes and handheld poker games, no movies!

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

all I know is I was in the cool seat in back, you know, that one that fits three people, and this dude who was sitting next to me leaned over and hissed, "See that fag up front? He's such a kiss ass. Talking to the driver. Look at him." I said, "Hope he doesn't narc on my stash, bro!" He laughed and high-fived me.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

Was that your life or Midnight Cowboy?

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

This guy's name wasn't Chris, was it? I just worry if he said that hiding your stash is a MAN'S job.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:26 (twenty years ago)

B4rrus?

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

never learned his name, but I learned his awful stank til he got off the bus in Cleveland.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

Adam: No.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)

Ally, Peter Jackson hasn't made a single bad movie in his career (trust me, I've seen all his films), and he was responsible for one of the best movies of the nineties (Heavenly Creatures). He was already well-loved before the LOTR movies, they just made him more widely known.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)

My god, Raggett. How do you keep up with all of these anecdotes and half-jokes?

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)

Dude, c'mon, that's the thread of threads, how can you not know the highlights (besides, I've seen other people quote the "Man's job!" bit elsewhere, so it isn't just me!).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)

And I think his best three movies are Heavenly Creatures, Forgotten Silver, and Meet the Feebles, not the LOTR trilogy.

(x-post)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:36 (twenty years ago)

i cannot wait until i direct this movie

― rett bratner (deangulberry), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

What is that overhead? It's a bird! It's a plane! It's...the point of the post!

― Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)

Actually, based on Heavenly Creatures, Forgotten Silver, and Meet the Feebles I thought he was a perfect choice for LOTR.

So, neener.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

needs more salt

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

Well, you said people weren't prepared for his artistry until LOTR... I think his artistry was quite evident already in 1995, when he made Heavenly Creatures (a far more "arty" film then the LOTR ones).

(x-post)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:42 (twenty years ago)

http://www.lefilmfrancais.com/spipff/IMG/jpg/actu-17.jpg

― rett bratner (deangulberry), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

He went to the same school as me!

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:46 (twenty years ago)

The school of hard knocks?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

Tuomas, you like shit.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Heavenly Creatures + Dead Alive = LOTR! Duh.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

god, he looks sleazy.

― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

I'm totally with Tuomas re: Jackson. His career up to LOTR had been exceptionally creative both technically and thematically - his only misstep seems to be the Frighteners (I've never seen it, judging by the opinion of other PJ fans). But Dead Alive, Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles, Heavenly Creatures (one of my all time favorites), Forgotten Silver - all remarkably well-done and cleverly executed pictures, with quite a wide range and a clear gift for all the things that LOTR called for (melodrama, gore/violence, comedy). I was *super-excited* when I first heard Jackson got the LOTR franchise, he was easily the best choice imaginable.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

I think I need to see "Dead/Alive" even though it's guaranteed to give me unholy nightmares.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

the frighteners is really good

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

god, he looks sleazy.
http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/ratner-freaking.jpg
One of Defamer's favorites

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

aaagh the dancing white man's overbite = NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Dead/Alive is amazing but its more like comedy-gore. I can't imagine anyone actually be frightened by it (grossed out, yes).

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Yeah Dead Alive is fucking awesome, but it's not really scary, mostly just gory and/or funny, like Shakey Mo said (this might be the first ever instance of me agreeing with something Shakey Mo said).

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

"I kick ass for the Lord"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Ratner Speaks! From MTV.com, 6.8.05

LOS ANGELES — Director Brett Ratner got his start in Hollywood by persuading Steven Spielberg to help finance his student film; when conventional wisdom seemed to be against it, he made "Red Dragon," a third movie starring Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter. Why, then, is this seemingly fearless man suddenly feeling some pressure?

"It's not going to be easy," Ratner said of his newest gig, taking over the seemingly cursed reins of "X-Men 3" with marching orders to deliver the effects-heavy film to theaters by next Memorial Day weekend (see " 'Rush Hour' Director Ratner To Helm 'X3' "). "But we're definitely going to hit it."

Like any great comic-book story, you need to understand the origin if you hope to fully enjoy the tale: Bryan Singer, who wrote and directed the first two installments of the Marvel Comics mutant-superhero series, declined a third volume to instead bring back DC Comics character Superman via "Superman Returns," which is currently being filmed (see "At Last! Man Of Steel Photos Surface").

"Layer Cake" director Matthew Vaughn then stepped in with ambitious plans that included the casting of Kelsey Grammar as well-mannered monster Beast and Vinnie Jones as one-man wrecking crew Juggernaut (see " 'X-Men 3' Casting News: Soccer Star, Sure ... But Frasier Crane?"). Weeks later, Vaughn stepped down for reasons that remain unclear (see " 'X-Men 3' Looking For Director #3").

"They called me and they said, 'We're interested in you for "X3," ' " Ratner recalled. "I said, 'Yeah, great, I wanted to do the first one originally.' "

The 36-year-old Ratner, who proudly declares that he has "read comic books my whole life," had indeed been a candidate to initiate the "X-Men" franchise at the beginning of the decade. This is where things get real confusing: Singer instead took on the task of bringing Wolverine and friends to the screen, while Ratner came tantalizingly close to directing an earlier version of the Superman movie — yes, the same one that Singer is now overseeing.

"I think we bring stuff onto ourselves," Ratner said of the musical-chairs game with Singer. "He had dreams of doing 'Superman,' that was his fantasy, and I had a dream of it too, and it didn't work out, but 'X-Men' is a part of that dream as well.

"Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner are in that age range who grew up on comics," Ratner said, referring to himself in the third person. "Well, I don't know if he grew up on comic books, but in that generation where comic heroes are part of our society and part of our pop culture.

"Bryan Singer left ['X-Men 3'] because he didn't like the material," Ratner insisted. "But I don't think this movie is tainted; I think it is fantastic and the script is amazing.

"Jackie Chan says Brett Ratner is the luckiest guy in the world," the director said of his "Rush Hour" star's opinion of him taking over the comic-book franchise, "and I feel like I am."

Not everyone, however, considers Ratner quite so blessed. "[They think] I'm the antichrist!" he laughed when asked about what many diehard fans are posting on popular movie-discussion Web sites. "I don't think about it."

Ratner does realize that his résumé, which includes Chris Tucker vehicles and clunkers like "After the Sunset" and "The Family Man," doesn't exactly endear him to geeks looking for a Sam Raimi-like genre veteran harboring a unique vision. He also acknowledges that comic-movie heroes including Superman and Batman both went horribly wrong after new directors took over the franchise for the third installment.

"I'm not Joel Schumacher," he said of the fan-despised director behind "Batman Forever" and the even more poorly received "Batman & Robin," "and I'm not ... um ... who did the third Superman?"

That would be Richard Lester. "I'm Brett," Ratner said, "and all I know is what I know, what I can do and what I have to work with."

As far as the growing myth that the third film always kills a superhero franchise, Ratner responded: "Well, there's also the fact that all the Supermans die a tragic death," he said, referring to the sad fates befallen by the likes of Christopher Reeve and George Reeves. "Do you think the new guy [Brandon Routh] is going to die also?"

Ratner insists that the "X-Men 3" script is up to snuff, that production will commence in Vancouver, British Columbia, in eight weeks, and that series stars Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman, James Marsden and Rebecca Romijn will return. As for what he'll add to the successful Singer recipe, the director said, "I want to stay true to the franchise and true to the characters, but I think it's elevated ... I don't want to be pompous and say I'm going to take it to the next level. I think the script that Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn wrote gives me a tremendous amount of confidence."

He also said you can expect his X-Men to have an enhanced sense of humor. "Not jokes for the sake of jokes," Ratner added, "jokes that come from character humor, that come from characters and that come from the situations."

Will Brett Ratner have the last laugh, or will the latest "X-Men" director discover that the third time is anything but the charm? It's a question that would likely stump even Professor X himself.

Ah, good news then. It appears that we were all overreacting. And note to Yakuza Ghost Six, that's "antichrist," not "devil."

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

Note to Bryan Singer: your x-flix were okay, but they could have been funnier.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

"Bryan Singer and Brett Ratner are in that age range who grew up on comics," Ratner said, referring to himself in the third person.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone seen the Mockumentary Peter Jackson did about NZ film history? So funny!!!!!!

― Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Ratner is dating Serena Williams?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

http://www.videomax.ro/Images/Directors/152_d_normal.jpg = http://www.mwctoys.com/images/Apocalypse_08.jpg?

BEHOLD MY MIGHTY HAND!

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Apocalypse != Onslaught!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

BRETT RATNER GREW UP ON COMICS. BRETT RATNER IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST. BRETT RATNER IS THE LUCKIEST GUY IN THE WORLD. BRETT RATNER IS NOT JOEL SCHUMACHER.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/debates/sights.sounds/1016/dole.jpg

― Allyzay flies casual (allyzay), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

THREE third person self-references in interview EXCERPTS. good god. And yet he's not pompous enough to claim that "next level" quite yet.

btw anybody here see Black & White?

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

xpost

OTM, Dan, with the extra dose of ultrageekery that I'm quoting the arcade version of Marvel vs. Capcom, where Apocalypse is the final boss. Onslaught stole his catchphrase!

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

btw anybody here see Black & White?

In fact, I did.

Moth:Flame::rogermexico:all things wu-related

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Black & White was pretty terrible.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

TOBACK FOR X4!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

RED-blooded director Brett Ratner is having his dream character written into the new “X-Men 3” movie. The mutant is, according to an inside source, “an unbelievably hot and sexy hooker. Her super power is that she secretes a pheromone that helps her to seduce men. She can seduce anyone.” The source added the character has not yet been cast but, “they are open to all ethnicities who are in their early-to-mid 20s.”

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Her super power is that she secretes a pheromone that helps her to seduce men. She can seduce anyone.

...Species to thread.

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

WTF, is there any comic bookular prescedent for this character? Are they just making up new X-Men as they go along?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

I can't think of any... and besides, wouldn't Mystique be able to seduce just about any she wanted to?

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

OK forget what I said about giving Ratner a chance.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

WTF, is there any comic bookular prescedent for this character?

Yes, actually! This is Stacy X, aka Joe Casey's worst idea.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Nude workout video!?!?!?

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

StripAerobics!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Stacy also has some hand-to-hand combat skills, enough to spar with Wolverine for short bouts.

Foreplay!!

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.dvdzap.ca/dvd-imgs/3650d0/carmen-electras-fit-to-strip-pochette-avant.jpg

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

WTF, is there any comic bookular prescedent for this character? Are they just making up new X-Men as they go along?

Sounds like Stacy X. http://www.psysdomain.com/picsn-s/stacyx1.jpg

She debuted in Uncanny 399. She was kinda tragic, and also kinda meh.

xpost! Dan, the score is now me 1, you 1.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Vinnie Jones (Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels, Snatch) as Juggernaut

VJ is fine and all, but... JUGGERNAUT IS AN UNSTOPPABLE FORCE. He's as big as a fucking house!! [sigh] why did Andre have to die?

xpost: mommy!

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Asia Argento should play her!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

OMG ALLY I was in Borders the other day and found this!!!!

OMG WTF????

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

RATNER YOU TEAR OUT MY HEART, YOU FUCK

― Baby BobO (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

WHY DO THEY LOVE MONEY?????

― Baby BobO (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

.....I..I..I can't even...wha?

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT MAN NAKED. EVER.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

He looks like a distant relative of Traino.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

I wish I could find the back cover. It is truly the stuff of nightmares.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Well, clearly he's an appropriate casting choice for Stacy X.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

My mom's a big fan of the first two movies. I already told her they got a new director, now I get to say they're introducing superhookers and Fraiser.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Show her this, A; I guarantee she'll forget all about the X-movies.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Stop that.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

It's such a joy to watch Jeff as he is encouraging and so sexy himself! I get a big smile on my face whenever I pop this one into the dvd player. There are 4 volumns in this series. Included are workout volumns 1 and 2 which cover the basic striptease steps. The fantasy workout is my favorite and I love the routine. Jeff does a lot of practice with the routine so anyone is able to learn it and look like a stripper. The sexy abs tape is also excellent and Jeff really proves that in order to get that stripper stomach, you don't need to get on the floor! There is a cd included with the dvd and once you learn the steps, you have some excellent music to practice or develop your own routines. It's the best cd of sexy music that I've come across to date!

I highly recommend this dvd for ladies who want to look sexy, learn some basic stripper moves and lose some weight in a fun, sexy way! Get it and release that inner hottie in you!

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Second Workout - Fantasy
This is shorter & all the girls are now in different male fantasy outfits such as nurse, devil, catholic girl & Jeff in the fireman look. It's not very long, maybe 10-15 min of a very short routine that is more stripper style moves. Thre aren't many moves & maybe 1 min of floorwork.

The last part is the 6 girls who, one by one, dance with the camera angles geared to see close-up to what men what to see & not what you can practice to. Some girls seem a bit shy. Each girl only does about 3 moves of what Jeff taught (which seemed boring), each girl doing a diff one, but some seemed the same over & over... I started FFwding anyhow since I'm not bi or a man.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

RELEASE THE FOOKIN INNER HOTTIE!

― The Ghost of Jeff "Yngwie" Costa (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Jeff in the fireman look.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

I was wondering why this thread got revived. And now I know all too well.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

What the hell is a "stripper stomach"?

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 1 July 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

The back cover has the answer! (It's not very nice.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

I was about to post that fantasy thing but it's from Defamer and they hate Ratner so I can't tell if they're taking the piss or not.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 1 July 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...

OK so anyway that whole thing about Stacy X was obviously made up but ok anyway:

A) WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE THEY'VE GIVEN HALLE BERRY AN ENORMOUS ROLE? The whole "Well she IS play Storm" angle aside, for fuck's sake, she's awful and the worst thing about the first two films. :( Apologies in advance to Dan for insulting the "talented" Ms. Berry. Why couldn't they have cast ANYONE ELSE in this role?
B) OK is it just me or (potential) SPOILERS look AWAY

does it appear (in both trailers but especially the longer 2nd one) that Phoenix kills Cyclops??? I have heard rumor that Phoenix also kills CHARLES XAVIER in this episode which is not very substantiated by trailer but there is a scene of her lifting the professor out of his wheelchair.

Also Kelsey Grammer looks completely silly and Kitty Pryde looks like the girl from Freaks & Geeks. Oh and Rebecca Romjin with black hair in Mystique human form

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

WHY is this board cutting off my sentences if I insert certain symbols recently? Oh and Rebecca Romjin with black hair in Mystique human form = not half as good as blue Mystique, how come?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and FIX ONE SEARCH FUNCTION FUCKERS, it took me 45 minutes to get this goddamned thread to show up.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

oh jesus, I fear the wrath of Allyzay.

Okay I have heard WITH CONFIRMATION who is dying in this one (contract stuff, of course) but I can't remember who, but I do know it is one of the two Allyzay mentioned.

Kitty Pryde is actually played by she what castrates a pedophile in Hard Candy.

But anyway, let us never forget that Brett Ratner is the hack to embarass all hacks and I have absolutely zero faith in this movie. Which kind of breaks my heart, really. Here's hoping Singer returns to direct the Wolverine movie.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

OH ALSO here is why Storm is a Big Deal in X3 (courtesy imdb):

Halle Berry had initially decided not to reprise her role as Storm for this film, citing lack of character development in the previous two installments and a tense relationship with director Bryan Singer. However, after Singer's departure and suffering a major box-office flop with Catwoman (2004), Berry agreed to return on the condition that her role be expanded. Consequently, in this film Storm serves as leader of the X-Men.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Ally's passion here amuses/terrifies.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Also in continuity Storm led the X-Men for most of the 80s (and was a better leader than Cyclops).

I don't mind people insulting Halle Berry's portrayal of Storm because she sucks at it but that doesn't keep me from liking to look at her.

― Dan (Mmm Leather) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'M THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH
(trite, but still funny)

― and there are lot's of other sites, but all of them are fake... (sanskrit), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

Consequently, in this film Storm serves as leader of the X-Men.

No mohawk, no credibility.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

does it appear (in both trailers but especially the longer 2nd one) that Phoenix kills Cyclops???

If Storm is really leading the X-men then Cyclops needs to die somehow, doesn't he?

This movie is probably going to suck, but I'm hoping that if I go into it with low expectations it'll be fun. At least most of the actors who matter are back.

― 31g (31g), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

Well, no, considering that Cyclops doesn't have to die in the comic books for this to occur.

I mean, I'm not saying taking liberties is unknown, I mean they changed around Rogue's backstory to make it easier to fit with the first film yadda yadda but if they seriously are killing off Cyclops in order to expedite their way thru Dark Phoenix/Storm's leadership that's kind of crap and kind of throws away a huge portion of the story for no reason other than sheer laziness and really hacky melodrama. And I kind of hate Cyclops! He's a douche! But WHO IS GOING TO FUCK EMMA FROST (got my money on Scarlett Johannson for the role, c'mon Vegas) IN XMEN 17?????? Seriously.

Oh well, I'm sure I'll still like it well enough but I don't like the way this is seeming to me and I hope I'm wrong.

I heard that thing about Halle making a fuss about her part not being fleshed out, I really, really wish someone in Hollywood would have the balls to just tell her she flat out is a shitty actress and that's why 89% of her parts are "not fleshed out," because the flesh they're hiring her on is not mental. How awesome would it be if, like, Nona Gaye or Thandie Newton was Storm???

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

Tho I'd rather see Cyclops die than Professor X if it's going to be one of 'em.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

I saw th etrailer and fraiser looks absolutely imbecillic. Its like his special power if to look like an asshole

they should have just used the old classic beast idea

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

Clearly Ally and Hanle y should have written the new film.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, if Storm was being played by Nona Gaye I think I would die.

― Dan (Or GINA TORRES) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

Gina Torres as Storm?!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

HOLY SHIT THAT WAS AN XPOST TO DAN

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://sean.adventureteam.com/pages/twins/gina-torres.jpg

― Dan (Laurence Fishburne, Luckiest Man Alive) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, sweet obsession.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

Well, no, considering that Cyclops doesn't have to die in the comic books for this to occur.

Yeah, you're totally right, but they do need to provide some reason for the change and it seems like killing him off would be the quickest/most dramatic way to do it. Plus like you said, the trailer really suggests that he's not going to be around for long. I agree that it's a shitty idea though.

― 31g (31g), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gina-torres.com/images/ginatorres.jpg http://www.vampy.tv/news/hercules5gina2.jpg
http://whoosh.org/issue36/graphics/koa1.jpg
http://www.hytti.uku.fi/~vaisala/GALLERY/Gina%20Torres.jpg http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/serenity/gina_torres/serenity1.jpg

(xpost: Oh the state that the world has sunk to when killing Cyclops under any pretext isn't the greatest idea since the invention of sandals.)

― Dan (I'll Show You Obsession, Mister) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.zobel.dlsu.edu.ph/images/emp/E2003006.jpg

OK GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH THIS IS NOT GINA TORRES

― Dan (DO NOT WANT) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.zobel.dlsu.edu.ph/images/emp/E2003006.jpg

AGAIN, NOT GINA TORRES

― Dan (Shape Up, GIS) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/150x180/5274.jpg

CLOSER BUT STILL NOT GINA TORRES

― Dan (Not Even If You Squint) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.allfansites.com/actresses/Gina%20Torres/Gina%20Torres.jpg

^_^

― Dan (KAWAII!) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mcnt.com/Dr.walker.sm.jpg

Ok WTF.

― Dan (Should Have Stopped Before Page 28) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

Haha.

Gina Torres is fine as shit, and I had no idea that she's married to Larry Fishburne.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

are at least the britishes actors any good in this flick? does Pyro show up to try to fuck Rogue with a flame dick?

i mean, really, what else goes you do with fire powers, aside from lighting cigs? flame dicks for all!

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

IN my version of the film I would invent new mutants, like an evil Mandrill enemy who's power is to be a complete piece of nature-filth. Also there would be a man who can make money fly out of his eyes

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 18 May 2006 06:21 (nineteen years ago)

If they're going to do the Dark Phoenix story in this one, doesn't killing Cyclops kinda mess with it, because it's supposed to be about the undying love between Jean and Scott and blah blah blah? Cyclops has been a pretty pointless character in the movies though, at least in the comics he got to be the tragic whining hero.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

the posters are shit.

― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

I always half-suspected kingfish was Brett Ratner in disguise and now I'm sure of it.

― Dan (A Flame Dick, Eh?) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

kingfish please don't post crap like that to my thread revival ever again.

Tuomas, that is what I was saying. I mean, trust me, I'm with Dan on the "Cyclops is a douche and probably should die anyway" theory but it seems like it totally fucks with the whole thing unless Ratner et al are completely jumping the shark and hooking up Jean and Wolverine and having him take over the Scott role in the comics (only evidence of this idea that occurred to me this morning: end of trailer is Jean begging Wolverine to kill her). OH BEST NON SPOILER EVER was someone "informing" me that they "think" Jean Grey dies again in this one. O RLY?

Whatever, as long as there's no flame dicks in it it'll seem really good now. And yeah Kelsey Grammer's X-power has always been to look like an asshole.

If they're going to totally jump the shark btw I am voting that there is a sequence in which Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart have a musical number.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

only evidence of this idea that occurred to me this morning: end of trailer is Jean begging Wolverine to kill her).

I'm pretty sure this is a scene in Grant Morrison's New X-Men (when Wolverine and Jean are on the satellite?).

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

OK that's what I am hoping!!!!! Cos that'd REALLY piss me off.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

James Marsden must be PISSED about what happened to Cyclops in the movies; he probably never read the comics and didn't realize that everyone thinks Cyke is a massive tool who should be skinned by cats.

― Dan (Too Bad He And Havok Didn't Switch Places) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I couldn't really figure out what Jean Grey saw in him, he was a total douche. Then again Jean Grey was completely insane so hey guess they're both real winners, eh.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Ultimately the Dark Phoenix Saga sucks because it became the foundation for decades of Mopey Scott Summers Whom Everyone Wants To Kick In The Balls Until He Dies. Although on the flipside it kicked off the sequence of events that gave us Storm the Leather Punk, so I can't be too mad at it.

They should have left Scott crazy and schizophrenic the way he was in early X-Factor, that was awesome.

― Dan (Yay Crazy Comic Book Characters) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

I just don't know what Emma saw in him, but I figure she just wanted Scott to piss Jean off.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

There's that, plus Scott is easily manipulated, which to Emma is probably the biggest aphrodesiac in the world.

Have you read the latest Astonishing X-Men? Emma is AWESOME in it!

― Dan (Yay Evil) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Listen, all I'm saying is that if all Jean does with her Dark Phoenix powers is kill easy targets like an emo and a cripple, I'm gonna be pissed off. I just want to see ONE genocide, ok?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

I know, she is my role model.

x-post

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still slightly tripping out at Ally's passion for the arcane details of X-Men, I seem to have missed this. (I am not surprised at Dan's or Mercury's, for obvious reasons.)

Actually all this talk has got me casting an Excalibur movie in my head for an alternate exercise (partially because I followed that more instead).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Have you read the latest Astonishing X-Men? Emma is AWESOME in it!

Yeah, Emma competely takes Scott apart (psychologically), it is rad. She totally plays on the "did you stop to think why a boring guy like you got Jean and became the team leader" and "you know Wolverine was the one she really loved" aspects.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Listen, all I'm saying is that if all Jean does with her Dark Phoenix powers is kill easy targets like an emo and a cripple, I'm gonna be pissed off. I just want to see ONE genocide, ok?

If Brett Ratner pulls the celery/asparagus people that Jean annihilated in the comic book into this movie, he will officially become my hero.

― Dan (Spicy!) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Also going from the promos I'm guessing Jean's going to spend at least a few minutes of the movie ripping humans apart.

― Dan (Yay Evil) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

The bridge blow up looks kind of sweet, I have to admit.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

oh no

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

not what i was hoping for.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

which was... less talk, more rock. it's more like, same talk, less rock.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Man I am dying now to see this, even though you just told me it is less rock. I blame the omnipresence of Halle Berry on that.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

it feels like a cheapo b-movie straight-to-vid sequel, complete with most of the big names seemingly trying to avoid as much screentime as possible

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

sweet!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I knew it!

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

there is a glowing review on newsarama, though i wouldn't expect any less.

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

THREE main characters die?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

LAME deaths. LAME.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Was I right or wrong????????? Who loses their powers????? Gah why should I wait til Friday!!!!!!!!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even think this is dollar-theatre-worthy.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

at least the acting & character stuff in the singer movies was good enough that all the downtime was watchable... there's so much boring chatter in this movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

and wtf at beast's "niles"-esque neurotic (and also blue) brother

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

i really need to cut down my drunk posting

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

and wtf at beast's "niles"-esque neurotic (and also blue) brother

Now you're just making shit up.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

ok i made that one up

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Does Moira McTaggert work as a maid?

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, and wolverine has a hopeless crush on her, but he's married to that harridan storm

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

dare we ask how Vinnie Jones is?

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

He's the Juggernaut, bitch.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

he runs through walls.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

man earns his paycheck then

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Have you read the latest Astonishing X-Men? Emma is AWESOME in it!

Dan, you're so wrong on so many levels. But I kiss you anyway.

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

How can it possibly be wrong when the end result is a lobotimized Cyclops lying in a puddle of his own drool?

― Dan (Confused) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

XMEN ARE LAME

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

NOT WHEN THEY PUT HURTINGS ON CYCLOPS

― Dan (Awesome) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

Touche.

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

(I'm just pissed that they keep crapping on Grant. Plus, Hellfire Club are the most bullshit X-villains ever, right?)

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

(God I should be posting this on ILC.)

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

I have a complete set of uncanny x-men issues 114-153, mint condition

and I'm still not going to go see this movie

― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

unless at least two of you post to say that it is awesome

― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Hellfire Club are the most bullshit X-villains ever, right?)

Not if Cassandra Nova is involved!

(God I should be posting this on ILC.)

Yes!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

unless at least two of you post to say that it is awesome

This is almost definitely gonna happen, mr. parker.

also: EVERYONE should post on I Love Comics.

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

At only 12 reviews in, RT is at 50%, and the Onion didn't like it.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

what is the superpower of that angel douche from the trailer? just flying around like an angel? is he even Catholic?

― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

That post just made me inexplicably really, really angry.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Chaki, I saw yr IM last night, but I was ready to pass out, & didn't want to give you the short end of the stick re: my attention, but now that I'm caffinated, I'd like to respond.

XMEN ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LAME

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

OK ppl I am suspecting will post this movie is at least "good":
Me
Ian
Dan

That's 3 already and we haven't even seen it, you can trust us.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

OMG - it's up to 63%! 10 of 16!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Add me to the list.

(xpost)

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm saying that it's awesome, even if it's bad.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

sanskrit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel_%28comics%29

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha I am very predictable when it comes to these movies!

― Dan (Verdict: AWESOME!) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

HI DAN

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Black Tom Cassidy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is not about the Black Tom explosion. Nor is it about Ninjas.

― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Not even gay ninjas? ;_;

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

g'ninjas

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

how many more movies before the Starjammers show up?

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

WHERE ARE THE SHAI'AR

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

How long before Longshot / Mojo's World?

― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe we need a thread about what embarassing characters/plots from times past need to be revived in nu-superhero movies...

― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

HI JON

"You may also be wondering how the Church of Humanity plans to simulate the Rapture. After all, that involves good Catholics being taken up to Heaven. Well, they're going to disintegrate people using evil doctored communion wafers.

"I'll just repeat that. The villains are going to usurp command of Catholicism by installing Nightcrawler as the Pope and using murderous disintegrating communion wafers. No, this is not meant to be a comedy story."

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

WANT BROOD

― Dan (MOAR) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha, yeah, i'd openly welcome a film version of DAZZLER!

Either version, pick your fave:

Xanadu

or

Flashdance

(nu-Dazzler is not an option)

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

david, that's when i stopped reading uncanny x-men. amazingly terrible.

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://thexaxiscom.site.securepod.com/reviews/110301.html#mutant-x

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

it was the Age of Apocalypse storyline for me, which corresponded with my freshman year beginning. Nice clean break.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

I predict I will like this in spite any particular reason to.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 25 May 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

it's just that I'm thinking that if this movie sucks, it'll really hurt my feelings

and that maybe I'm better off just waiting for the Kamandi The Last Boy On Earth movie

or the OMAC : One Man Army Corp mini-series on sci-fi network

― milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 25 May 2006 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

let's not forget SUPERMAN RETURNS.
god i love comics.

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

For a POO: Dazzler, I really like the redesign my friend Mike did... complete with white belt. He's kind of obsessed with the character...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/tunasammiches/Dazzlerlowres96.jpg

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

I can't endorse doing a POO: (Insert One Character Here). That will just eat up way, way too much of my day.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

so that's the artschool dweeb from Six Feet Under with the wings in this one? Manohla Dargis says when he flies over San Francisco it's as gay as Angels in America.

Armond White with the Britishes shiv: "Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan are two kinds of ham: chops and hind-quarters. Two Ian McKellan films in one year is excessive. What’s next for him, Dracula? Bela Lugosi was subtler."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

Armond White talking about how he hates a movie makes me want to buy a 4-disc DVD director's cut of it for everyone I know

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

That's kind of what is awesome about Ian McKellen, that I-wish-I-was-Vincent-Price-but-I-pretend-I-have-pride-good-lord-man-I-am-a-knight angle. A role with a name like "Magneto" doesn't really call for nuance and he's good at it.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe that's the real source of enmity between Magneto's Evil Mutants and Xavier's X-Men. Magneto is all like THIS IS HOW YOU CHEW IT UP ON WIDESCREEN, FUCK HUMANITY and Xavier's all like EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE IN THE CHURCH OF TELEVISION AND MUSICAL THEATRE

amirite huh morbs what up

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Two Ian McKellan films in one year is excessive.

What's the other one?

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

DA THE VINCI CODE

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

A role with a name like "Magneto" doesn't really call for nuance and he's good at it.

But he does provide nuance! Every one of his chats with Patrick Stewart has all kinds of interesting crosscurrents (friendship, sexual attraction); and he's so much better at playing a chicken hawk than Ian McDiarmid.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Man the best PART of X2 was Ian McKellen hamming/queening it up as Magneto. When they're on the jet and Mystique and Magneto are being all catty and gossipy? Priceless. I highly doubt Hacky McLecherous Brett Ratner is going to let anyone queen it up in HIS X-Men movie though. Also Juggernaut's helmet looks like it's made of foam.

Ian McKellen is my favorite Respectable British Actor mostly because he makes it quite obvious he KNOWS it's a crap movie and by god he's gonna ham that shit up.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Every one of his chats with Patrick Stewart has all kinds of interesting crosscurrents (friendship, sexual attraction)

Oh, I agree with that, but by and large it'd be difficult to call his performance subtle and nuanced. That being said, what kind of mental patient wants Magneto to be a subtle character? That's not what he is.

The idea that Brett Ratner could stop McKellen from queening it up is completely absurd to me!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Ian McKellen is my favorite Respectable British Actor mostly because he makes it quite obvious he KNOWS it's a crap movie and by god he's gonna ham that shit up.

Exactly! He's fab.

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

When they're on the jet and Mystique and Magneto are being all catty and gossipy?

I noticed that too. You know they're talking about young flamer Pyro.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

His best line reading is his pickup line to Pyro: "You are a GOD among insects, and don't let anyone tell you any different."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ian Mac hams just as mightily in 'quality' crap like Gods & Monsters. I wish I could remember if he was actually good when I saw him in Amadeus in '81. hey, sometimes you're in the mood for ham, sometimes not.

When the first XMen movie came out, I'd never heard of the comic.

Ally & Tom see Munich yet? Beloved by Armond, Morbs and legions more!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

would it be possible for anybody to mention these movies without talking about gay? seriously, it's kind of an easy argument and it's been made so many times as to have lost meaning.

― remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

YES that is GREAT. Also: "We just love what you did with your hair."

xpost I'm not defending Ian McKellen in other films, necessarily. He has a thing that he's good at, and sometimes people like to cast actors in roles that aren't, strictly speaking, in the realm of "things that person is good at."

Munich is slowly moving to the top of my maxed out Netflix queue, don't you worry.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

xpost again, it's hard to talk about Ian McKellen without someone bringing up "gay."

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

McKellen was restrained in Plenty.

But why are we sitting hammy performances at the children's table? John Barrymore, Bette David, Peter O'Toole, and early Nicholas Cage gave splendid perfs while rolling their eyes and baring their fangs.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

(yah, that's true. and often enuff it's Ian McKellen himself.)

― remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe if McKellen's acting wasn't the equivalent of dressing like The Scarlet Pimpernel we could overlook the gay meme.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe if he did dress like the Scarlet Pimpernel I'd like him more.

― remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

I am at WORK. I cannot be LAUGHING OUT LOUD!

(remy, I agree with you that the reviewers-metaphor was a little overused but I haven't seen as much of that with this film? Never forget: 9/11)

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men#Reflecting_concurrent_social_issues

UH
(McKellen is not exactly the alpha and omega of camp gay here)

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Ian McKellen: queering up cinema since 1965.

Seriously though, I am pretty sure he read the X-Men script and thought, "Macho supervillain? HE SHOULD BE GAY."

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Alfred you forgot KILMER

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Given that the entire subtext of the 90s X-Men stories was "LOOK SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE GAYS UNLESS WE CHANGE OUR WAYS" it would be very odd if someone didn't bring up gay themes in relation to these movies.

― Dan (Life Imitates Internet) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously though, I am pretty sure he read the X-Men script and thought, "Macho supervillain? HE SHOULD BE GAY."

I have a vision of Ian McKellan as Gay Han Solo in the original Star Wars trilogy.

― Dan ("I Love You." "I Love Your Hair!") Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well he's no Jared Leto but he's pretty high up there in campiness. xpost

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

But Sir Ian as Da Emperor would have been sweet.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Sir Ian as CHEWBACCA!

― Dan (Perfection) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

OK my ears are now bleeding from trying to process that.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Sir Ian as Boba Fett ("Put Capt. Solo up my cargo hold")!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

(Liza Minelli as Leia!)

― remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Joel Grey and Harvey Fierstein as C3P0 and R2D2? Or do we just keep them, because they're pretty gay anyway.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

I have a vision of Ian McKellan as Gay Han Solo in the original Star Wars trilogy.

That sounds like Captain Jack Harkness!

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

OK so I just remembered I had a whole buncha New Mutants when I was that age and now I really really want to see a spin-off with those motherfuckers in it even if they are totally all-inclusive. Should I go over to ILC and start a New Mutants casting thread?

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

YES YES YES YES YES

― Dan (Dani Moonstar = JESSICA ALBA) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

dan after your completely off the money and frankly nauseating parenthetical there I'm afraid I'm just gonna have to let you go ahead and fire it up yourself

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Jessica Alba was already Mrs. Fantastic anyway, no go, no go dan

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Devon Aoki as KARMA!

― Dan (Awesomes) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Wilmar Valderama is SUNSPOT!

― Dan (Think About It) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Why not have Jewel's sister or whoever that girl from New World is play Dani Moonstar? Jessica Alba is the suggestion of a man whose been exposed to too many sharpies today or something.

xpost ok all of these.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Harvey Fierstein as JABBA THE HUTT, DUH.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Jon Lovitz as the voice of WARLOCK

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck it, I'll fire that shit up!

JESUS CHRIST DAN

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Rachel McAdams as MAGMA!

― Dan (Sweet) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Spaceballs has laid waste to an ebtire generation.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

I can't find any wikipedia articles on the "Ebtire Generation" crossover series

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think that was the race of aliens Dark Phoenix annhilated.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Daphne Zuniga is CANNONBALL!

― Dan (You Know It) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

John Candy is MAGUS!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

OK seriously dan put the caps back on the sharpies

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, please stop. Please.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Dan Perry is BIRDBRAIN!

http://www.rahne-sinclair.com/images/avatars/birdbrain.gif

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Sir Ian as Boba Fett ("Put Capt. Solo up my cargo hold")!
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (soto.alfre...), May 26th, 2006. (later)

You have just been responsible for me laughing very, very loudly andgetting the single most disparaging look I've ever seen from my colleague sitting at the desk opposite me. I hope you're proud of yourself.

― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Happy Memorial Day weekend, Stone!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Actually the race that Dark Phoenix killed were in the D'Bari system.

― Dan (NERD) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Whatever, man who thinks Jessica Alba would make a good Dani Moonstar.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/starhammerdbari1.jpg

...the light, the heat...

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

uh...so is anyone going to see X3 after work?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to the late showing.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

The thought of Ian M. queering it up has made me about 10X more excited for it...but I still dunno if it's worth 8 dollars.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

What's that guy with the urchin face's name?

― nickalicious, not a x-men nerd (nickalicious), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Brett Ratner?

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

so, i'm guessing none of you want to see Joan Rivers as Emma Frost

(voice dubbed by melissa rivers)

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I want to eat Bertie Bott's Everyflavor Bean from betwixt her sandbags.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

oh cool, nickalicious is back!

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

This was pretty bleeaaah.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 27 May 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

details please, specifically: on a scale of 1-10, how awesome of a job does Ian M. do at queering it up? WHETHER OR NOT I SEE THIS MOVIE DEPENDS ON IT.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Saturday, 27 May 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

Everybody who didn't like it is wrong

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

If you can define "queering it up" 10 out of 10 as Ian McKellen chewing on the scenery, while rearranging the scenery, while wearing the full-on Magneto outfit (I almost left "magento" in as a typo there) and acting basically the prissy egocentric fashionista "Oh, you're not one of us anymore" then yes, see this movie.

A couple of side stories/setups/denouements didn't flesh out as I would have liked. Other than that wtf is wrong with this movie?

Well besides the fact that Juggernaut & Shadowcat are not getting their own spin-off together as CGI-augmented Tom & Jerry redux.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

Also how awesome is it that technology advances so fast that Kelsey Grammer as a blue teddy bear is more believable pulling off the same stunts than Keanu Reeves as a dude in a suit was 4 years ago?

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

i can't fucking wait to see this shit.

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

Argh I'm dying to spoiler this shit.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

In trailer news, virtually every film trailered prior to X3 looks totally worth my $10, even that ridiculous Uma Thurman/Luke Wilson superhero-as-psycho-ex film if just for the WTFness factor. EXCEPT the redo of The Omen, WTF is wrong with Julia Stiles.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

I had fun! Yeah, yeah, there are corny sentimental speeches (Halle Barry is...The Valedictorian!), the one-liners aren't v. funny, but I was still into it.

Roffle at the Brotherhood of ~~Evil~~ Goth Mutants!

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

xpost oh dude the Evil Goth Mutants, that was hysterical. I explained it to Tom, it makes sense cos, I mean, look at Magneto. Just look at him. And some of the bits were corny (wtf with the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO thing becoming the new thing to do?). I didn't mind most of the one-liners, Ratner kept the Rush Hour style shit to a minimum and Jackman and McKellen and Frasier all kinda pulled them off, even the kinda corny lines.

ok fuck it, y'alls know the drill and I alerted the moderators to change the thread title. I'm gonna even strikethru all of it so if you wanna know you gotta make an effort (fuck the board for getting rid of the FONT tag so I could white this out). they're minor(ish)

1. PHOENIX GENOCIDE SCENE MAKES IT TO FILM
2. OMG I felt so sorry for Magneto at the end
3. Totally right on the deaths, got choked up about teh Prof X ;_;
4. Pyro's hair is soooooooo gay in this, what was he thinking?
5. Magneto, what were you thinking ditching Mystique and pulling the "You're one of THEM now" on her? That shit is cold, I'da turned your ass in too. Also we both realized neither of us has any idea what Rebecca Romjin looks like when she's not blue anymore.
6. Gotta be an easier way to get to Alcatraz than Super Queen Bridge Movin Theatre.
7. oh, roguepaws

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Halle Berry surprisingly not obnoxiously omnipresent in this despite trailers, though jesus if she makes her OMG I'M MAKING A LIGHTNING!!! WTF!! EYEBALLS IN MY HEAD UP POWERS!!! face one more time...well I don't have the power to really do anything about it, but maybe I'll write my senator or something.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

I will say there were too many mutants in this, I mean wtf was Angel even doing? Besides like flying around, doing nothing.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

WHO IS THAT WEIRD GROSS FUCKER THROWING THE SPINES? IS THAT GUY CANONICAL? WTF

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:43 (nineteen years ago)

And Leech could have definitely used some funny looking contact lenses. "My power is to stop your SFX from happening around me, and I have no makeup, they just made me shave my head!" Bo-RING.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and the movie was awesome

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

I hope you guys are all getting the impression we're forcibly hurling each other to the floor to post things, cos that's what I'm going for.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

Well now that spoilers are activated fuck Magento, he made his bed and now he has to lie in it. Jerkwad. Could've at least tried to save his chess partner. Fuckface.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:57 (nineteen years ago)

the skin coming off Xavier's knuckles as bitch began to go totally bonkers was like the saddest crap. Crazy ho.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 04:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ally & Tom OTM! Did you dudes stay for the post-credits scene?

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

NO!!! :(

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Saturday, 27 May 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

"Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" coupled with "Who's hiding, dickhead?" were pretty great lines, the entire Kitty Pryde/Juggernaut sequence was awesome. I do wish Colossus got more play but the Colossus/Wolverine special +10 power move was pretty hilarious

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Saturday, 27 May 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

omfg tom and ally are the best married couple evar.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Saturday, 27 May 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

************MAJOR SPOILER**************

IF YOU LOVE HER THEN FUCKING STICK A CURE NEEDLE IN HER DONT KILL HER. I SUSPENDED MY DISBELIEF FOR BLUE FRASIER BUT THIS PLOT POINT REALLY GOT TO ME. SO STUPID!!!

― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 27 May 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

********more spoilers******************

~~1) Yeah Chaki, I agree. I was convinced that they were going to through the power-sapping kid at her, I mean he was right there!~~

2) ALLY HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED - after ALL of the credits, it goes back to Moira McTaggert's little room. You don't see the face of the coma victim (from that "ethical dilemma" remember yeah?), but Jean Luc's voice says "Moooiiirra...", and she says "Charles?!?"!

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahaha thanks jordan that was bothering me, after the movie, I was like "they were really good about tying everything up, but why did they have to tell us about dude in a coma and no even finish the lesson?"

guys note that the only person left on the island was wolverine because he's made of 2 things that don't readily disintegrate: constantly regenerating flesh and adamantium steel. a cure needle wouldn't have worked because it would have been disintegrated. the leech wouldn't have worked because he would have disintegrated. savvy?

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

~~I mean DUH?~~

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 27 May 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

his pants apparently stayed on, damn it.

― Roz (Roz), Saturday, 27 May 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think they're made out of the same stuff as the Hulk's pants?

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

uhh yah tom, if his pants didnt disinigrate and if he was cluchting the syringe then it would be safe in his fucking hand so for fucks sake, tom, stop defending a really lame plot point.

― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 27 May 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

i can't believe i didn't stay for post-credits scene....

also: i sorta figured that "defeating" jean would've somehow involved everyone coming back to life cuz, you know, she can do that shit. and i was a little disappointed that they didn't show off her powers even more -- disintegrating ppl is omg and all, ditto flattening alcatraz, but, i don't know, blow up a planet or something

― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 27 May 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

chaki his shirt disintegrated though. everything but what was on his crotch disintigrated!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Saturday, 27 May 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Phil at Antexit's House here. We just saw X3 and OMG the most hilarious movie ever. I totally thought that the sonicwave mutant was a TRANNY GOTH and cracked up everytime i saw her/him on screen but i guess it was just a regular ole' goth lesbo? And arcangel's scenes were also very very roffleworthy.

― antexit (antexit), Saturday, 27 May 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

Jean as CATATONIC PROP for most of the film was boring as hell. My friend informs me that Cyclops was gone in the first few minutes because the actor is in the Superman movie. I was joking that they were killing off anyone who wouldn't sign a contract for a fourth film.

― mike h. (mike h.), Saturday, 27 May 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

wha arcwhatever wasn't a TRANNY GOTH?

― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 27 May 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

ALLY HIS HAIR DID NOT DISINIGRATE. HIS FACE DID FOR LIKE A SECOND. MOTHERFUCKER COULD OF CLUTCHED THAT SHIT IN HIS CONSTANTLY HEALING HANS. HE NEVER DISINIGRATED DOWN TO HIS ANTIMANTIUMS SKELETON NOT ONCE SO STOP MAKING EXCUSES. ALSO HER POWERS WOULDNT HAVE WORKED IF THE LEECH KID WAS AROUND THE AREA AT ALL. SHEESH. STUPID STUPID.

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO HES FUCKING WOLVERINE HE CAN DO ANYTHING. MOTHERFUCKERS ALWAYS HAVE A PLAN. THERES LOTS OF SHIT IN THIS DUMB MOVIE THAT DEFYS LOGIC LIKE EVERYTHING DISINIGRATING CEPT HIS CROTCH AND BAD HAIR.

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

DUDE CURING THE PHOENIX LEAVES LESS ROOM FOR COMEBACK THAN JUST KILLING HER, READ THE COMICS. SHE'S CONSTANTLY BEING KILLED BY OTHER X-MEN WHO ARE IN LOVE WITH HER, THAT'S THEIR "SEX THING" I THINK.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

HOW MUCH ANNA PAQUIN SCREENTIME DO WE HAVE TO SIT THROUGH?

― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

I mean I'm not saying that you're basically correct in the stupidness of it but killing her off 48x is more true to the story. Plus I'm pretty sure she blew up all of the syringes nearest the scene when they were shot at her, so he would've had to have thought to hunt one down from way earlier, hoping she didn't already blow up those ones, and then go after her with it. And they already wasted the ones they scavenged on doing in Magneto, so he probably just wasn't thinking clearly. Storm had already instructed him about 10x in that film that she expected him to kill Jean (some friend Storm is), so he already had that meme in his head anyway.

xpost Anna Paquin isn't very much in the movie, she does a couple of pouty pouties over Kitty Pryde for about half hour, 45 minutes of the film, and then storms off, only to return in the last minute (literally, not like "the last minute of the climactic battle" or anything). Plus I doubt she's coming back for future ones muchly with how her story arc turned out.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

kitty pryde was cueter

― gbx (skowly), Sunday, 28 May 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

also: like 14, ew.

― gbx (skowly), Sunday, 28 May 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

Nineteen, pervs.

― Moi Aussi (popshots75`), Sunday, 28 May 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

& yeah, the flick was fine. Minor shit, sure, but I honestly wasn't expecting much except whiz-bang-pow from this thing anyway, and the bonus of A) effective death scenes (OMG JEAN LUC) & B) Storm doing stuff & not sucking & C) Kitty Pryde & D) TWO FASTBALL SPECIALS helped. Of course, MORE SENTINELS WOULD'VE BEEN NICE BRETT.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 28 May 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

LOOK I UNDERSTAND KILLING JEAN IS STAYING TRUE TO THE DARK PHOENIX STORY LINE BUT IT DIDNT JIVE WITH THE MUTANT CURE STORY LINE JUST SAYIN BRET RATNER BE'S STUPID. KIITTY PRYDE WAS HOT IN HARD CANDY. YAH SENTINALS BEING DANGER ROOM SHIT WHAT A LAME THING. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS FUN. WHAT WAS AFTER THE CREDITS?

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 28 May 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

PROFESSOR X FOUND A NEW HOME

Clearly, the message is: you kill Professor X, you die. Killing broccoli people would've been cool, tho.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 28 May 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

that wasn't just any sentinel! it looked like NIMROD!!!

― gbx (skowly), Sunday, 28 May 2006 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

But he wasted his reserve of mutant cure on Magneto and would've had to have gone and found more and it looked like Jean blew all that shit up. It didn't strike me as odd, I assumed that the visual of her blowing up all in the vicinity meant cure was scarce. It doesn't seem very illogical! Screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOO is totally illogical though.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Sunday, 28 May 2006 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://imdb.com/title/tt0376994/fullcredits

apparently, the dude with bones out his wrists was Omega Red

also, where was Psylocke? was she the asian chick with purple hair in the gang, or the asian chick wearing purple in the classroom scene?

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 28 May 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

Plastic needles?

― Pete (Pete), Sunday, 28 May 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

also, i recognized Stan Lee as the waterhose guy, but not Chris Claremont as the lawnmower guy

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 28 May 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

and yay for Bill Duke

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 28 May 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoyed it as it thematically seemed impossible to break fromt he previous two films, though the more I think about it in comparison to the others the less impressive it is.
THE GOOD: Kelsey Grammer. Grat. No wonder you bump of Patrick Stewart, Grammer does the same schtick but funny, furry and blue (also genuinely not very useful powers for final scene).
Kitty: Good use of powers, almost got a storyline
The shape of the film - it started small, got big.

THE BAD:
Half of the characters seemed to be acting out of character. Which is a pity cos the early scenes of Magneto and X-avier were a perfect continuation. But with the first real retcon of the series (Jean's split personality) came other problems about control and mind meddling from Xavier. Equally Magnetos plan was remarkably crude and needlessly wasteful of his people. This wa snot the smooth manipulator of the previous films (hello Golden Gate Bridge! Better off flying a car over, or just dropping the bridge on Alcatraz!)
Wasting Mystique, clearly the best redo character of the films.

THE FUNNY: 80's punk mutants - makes 'em easier to spot. Spikey boy/clap hands girl. Storm making the most of her lines. EVERYBODY FLIES.

In the end there were two big plots mashed into one quite small film, and one sense a wasted opportunity (especially with poor old Famke and Cyke - that could have been spun out more, and no sense of the absolute power story lying at the heart of Pheonix). But still remarkably good fun.

― Pete (Pete), Sunday, 28 May 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

Much, much better than expected, but if you're going to have Wolverine cut the head off a giant robot, at least SHOW IT.

My friend and I were having an argument ---SPOOOOOOILLLLLLLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR--- about whether Magneto moves one of the chess pieces at the end (i.e. he still has some of his powers). I thought I saw a piece move, he said he didn't. Which of us is right?

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 28 May 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

There's a tremor. As for coma guy with Professor X in his head, that's freaky shit. (Hope Mystique gets her powers back).

Poor old Rogue. All she had to do is have sex in the room with Leech in it and she would be fine.

― Pete (Pete), Sunday, 28 May 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Not as bad as I expected, but most of the characters and storylines were undeveloped. NOTHING was done with Leech or Phoenix! If you're going to insert a character with powers so incredible that WHOA NELLY THEY CAN DESTROY THE WORLD don't just give'em one scene in which you see said powers at work.

Those 'punk mutants' were acting as if they were another movie (The Warriors?)

My favorite elements: NO ONE mourned the death of Scott! Wolverine returns to the mansion, tries to shag Jean, and only then does it occur to him that Scott was vaporized.

- The homoerotic tension b/w Pyro and Iceman. I expected one to shove the other into an alley and kiss him violently, with Michelle Williams watching.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

No one's going to want to be in class with Leech, are they?

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of homoerotica: wtf Magneto and Charles Xavier shown in a middle-class neighborhood, bickering like two waspish queens. The audience snickered.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

(Also: "Mutants have tried to kill us all! Let's make one our UN ambassador.")

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

At first I thought, ok so it's not as bad as some of the reviews said, then I thought about it some more and realized this was a big pile of MEH. Some cool/weird/funny bits here and there, but overall pretty disappointing.

Why the fuck was Angel in this again? All he did was flap, flap, flap about and saved his dad (not impressively either). The flapping was way ghey too - just didn't look badass enough.

I liked the Kitty vs Juggernaut scene, Frasier McCoy/Wolverine banter = great, actually Frasier as Beast was simply perfect casting, Professor X dying was a pretty "whoa, no way" moment - that huge smile right before he's destroyed was dead creepy but kinda cool at the same time. Felt momentarily sad for Magneto at the end (but then he says "what have I done?!" and ruins the moment). As noted Famke's death was terribly handled and Rogue losing her powers was just freaking pathetic - bad enough Anna Paquin had to play her but they couldn't even give us a cliched "I couldn't go through with it" moment.

So anyway, re: Magneto - I didn't see a chess piece moving but some people think that the last scene suggests that the cure's not permanent and the "cured" mutants will eventually regain their powers?

― Roz (Roz), Sunday, 28 May 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

i thought all the deaths were totally un-earned and pathetic... as was stuff like magneto's rejection of mystique... like, how does he even know the cure is permanent etc?

i saw the chess piece move!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 28 May 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

i can't imagine a worse way to kill off a major character than the way cyclops bites it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 28 May 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

i was actually positive that him and professor x would show up alive at the end of the movie, their deaths were so perfunctory and heft-less

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 28 May 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Scott dying WAS pretty pathetic... actually, I didn't even realize he was dead until Jean said so, I thought maybe he was just unconscious somewhere.

And it was kinda lame that they had a memorial service for prof x but not for Scott considering he was, to most people at the time, Xavier School's number 2.

― Roz (Roz), Sunday, 28 May 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get the Anna Paquin hate.

The Kitty-Juggernaut scenes were OK, but in the comics the Juggernaut was one of the top 5 most powerful beings on earth, wasn't he? You'd never know from the movie; he reminded me of Jacko of those Energizer commercials from the '80s.

I did see a chess piece move - and so did the audience. In fact, the entire theater booed!

i thought all the deaths were totally un-earned and pathetic... as was stuff like magneto's rejection of mystique

A scene that could have been devastating had Bryan Singer called the shots.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 28 May 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it definitely would've been better, singer was good at the mutant cattiness and high-school style clique stuff! as it stood it felt like little more than a plot point in action

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 28 May 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, what was the deal with Juggernaut? Was the movie suggesting he's a mutant, because he isn't, is he? I thought Leech only sucked Mutant powers, so he wouldn't have affected Juggernaut.

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Sunday, 28 May 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

the most intelligent thing posted to this thread since I left is Pete pointing out that they apparently found a mutant who can extrude syringe needles out of a material other than metal. I was thinking about that too!

Chaki, Ally would also like to point out that it would have been really cruel and inhumane to keep Jean alive after all that, oh haha, come back to the school where all the gravestones in the yard are because of YOU AND YOUR PSYCHO BITCH POWERS, YOU, YOU WOULDN'T LISTEN, SEE?!?

Is this movie the Marvel Comics Crash? "Oh these plot points are arranged in such a stupid way, and carried out with such disdain for art" Thpbft.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Sunday, 28 May 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

This movie wasn't great, but Crash was worse.

― richardk (Richard K), Sunday, 28 May 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Maggie Grace (Lost) as Kitty Pride.

Woulda been better than the Hard Candy perv-bait.

― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 28 May 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

'Twas better than the first one, though, wasn't it?

Still, quite perhaps the worst hairdressed film ever.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 28 May 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Still, quite perhaps the worst hairdressed film ever.

now, why would you say that

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5729/xmen318wt.jpg

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

also the tranny goth w/ the spit curl = Omahyra, latina model who does a lot of androg work

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

i got a kick out of the digs at the superman movie, w/ Cyclops getting iced in the first 10 minutes and the tranny goth sporting the spit curl

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

and this flick just made $102M in the U.S. alone, maybe Vinnie Jones was right when he made the offhand comment about already signing for X4 & X5

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 28 May 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

oh haha yes it is ohmayra. shes a lesbo and also in a rock band with all models. i saw them play at a party. im kinda disappointed now that i know it wasn't a tranny goth. im also disappointed to know that wolverine killed jean grey with his claws. i didn't get it - when he said "i love you" and she has little jerking-forward motion, i thought she was like, i dunno, not quite orgasming, but getting killed by wolverine's LOVE.

also, i loved arcangel's gay leather straps and that when he flew out of the hospital, there was a giant white cock-tower onscreen while hes flying over SF.

― phil at antexits (antexit), Sunday, 28 May 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/Xmenwolverine1.gif

awesome

― Big Loud Ape Mountain (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Sunday, 28 May 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Colossus_game.gif

Now, if we could just get one of the fastball special

― Big Loud Ape Mountain (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Sunday, 28 May 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Re: Wolverine's pants. I have it on good authority (friend at Weta here in Wellington who oversees the digital effects - Weta was called in as clean-up crew on this) that the original shot had Jackman butt naked but the rating was an issue, as was Jackman realizing that he'd been naked in a number of his last screen outings, so they digitized his pants back on. They are, therefore, made of the same stuff as the Hulk's.

― Guymauve (Guymauve), Sunday, 28 May 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

also, the leather straps show up in the comic, as that's how Warren attends his business meetings

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 28 May 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, and leather straps + tranny goth =

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/760/009carlosde3party2rg.jpg

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 28 May 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

I just saw the movie. It was good, good. A special effects extravganza, and I alwya slike movies about superpowers. Still, Frasier was kind of silly smurf, but I guess that's how such a character would look in real life. I was glad scott died, he was such a freakin whiner. I kept thinking phoenix would blast off into space. I'm glad they put pants on wolverine. I'm sad they didnt show Mystique's parts in more detail.

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Sunday, 28 May 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

"way to go furball" not the best final line imaginable

― Fraggle O Rly (Ferg), Sunday, 28 May 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

but it is very true to the lame oneliners of wolverine in the dumb marvel comics

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 28 May 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of homoerotica: wtf Magneto and Charles Xavier shown in a middle-class neighborhood, bickering like two waspish queens. The audience snickered.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (soto.alfre...), May 28th, 2006 10:54 AM. (Alfred Soto) (later) (link)

TOTALLY GOING TOMORROW.

Also um to whoever asked Psylocke was the asian chick with purple hair in the gang scene. I also like that LABRETS, LEATHER, AND FISHNET MEAN YOU ARE BAD-ASS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

Good: Floating Sunglasses

Bad: Wonder where her vapourised boyfriend wot wears said glasses are.

The mystery of Cyclops' death rolls one. Oh and surely there were other kids who had X-men suits too, or was ut just the cats with useful powers. Blinking remote control kid could have been useful I am sure (if fighting a monolithic media company - CUE FOX JOKE).

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

UHHH HOW COME SHE DESTROYED EVERYTING AROUND HIM EXCEPT HIS SUNG;LASSED UNTIL LOGAN TOUCHED THEM THEN THEY TOTALLY MLTED. THAT = ALSO STUPID

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 29 May 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

From what I've heard, it seems that at the end of the credits you get to see one of four scenes. There's the one with Xavier that most of you have seen, one with Jean, another with Mystique and a fourth one showing god knows what. (I'm rather sure about the three first, but I have yet to hear anybody telling me anything about this hypothetical fourth scene).

― Jibé (Jibé), Monday, 29 May 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

Oh BTW this is just a rumour I've heard. I've only seen Internet people saying they saw the Jean or Mystique scene. It's not like real people I can trust have told me so, but I kinda Love/hate the idea of there being 4 different scenes.

― Jibé (Jibé), Monday, 29 May 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Was the movie suggesting he's a mutant, because he isn't, is he?

in the film he is plainly a mutant. Hence Magneto's incorporation of him into the Brotherhood and Leech draining his powers.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 29 May 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite elements: NO ONE mourned the death of Scott! Wolverine returns to the mansion, tries to shag Jean, and only then does it occur to him that Scott was vaporized.

that was teh funny. Poor Scott. I think I was the only person who liked him in the films.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 29 May 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

I think it really helps to have never read an X-Men comic, because I really enjoyed this movie. I note all of the plot inconsistencies and special power conundrums and dismiss them because I had a good time so screw all you comix nerds. And Famke omg so hot, garrrrrrrrr.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 29 May 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think you have the right attitude. Some of my lady friends were at the film, and afterwards they discussed which character's mutant power they most fancied. "Phoenix hair" was the consensus.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 29 May 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

the more i think about it the more i'm annoyed by how diminished phoenix's powers seemed in this. like, kind of a waste.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Some of my lady friends were at the film, and afterwards they discussed which character's mutant power they most fancied. "Phoenix hair" was the consensus

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― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Eugh. I'm depressed. Ratner seems to have no idea why people like X-Men movies. Reducing Mystique to a really lame plot device? BOOOOOO. Everyone seemed to be acting out of character most of the time, Pheonix was totally wasted, the deaths all seemed unjustified or only barely justified (cept for Cyclops, because fuck him, he was always a pussy), the Golden Gate Bridge bit was ridiculous (surely there was a more phychically economical way to get to Alcatraz) and what they did to Magneto at the end really pissed me off. Wasn't the whole point that you should have a choice? Xavier would not have approved. I was on Magneto's side by the end of it. Why make a moral issue if you're just going to toss it aside later?

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Monday, 29 May 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

(surely there was a more phychically economical way to get to Alcatraz)

I was thinking they should have gone to Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard and have Magneto levitate and disassemble some old decommissioned destroyer, then fly in on platforms of steel plate. That would have looked at least as good as the bridge model.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 May 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

this movie sucks

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 29 May 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

somebody on another board pointed out the wanky bit that the only reason why they set it on alcatraz was just so they could do that bridge bit. oh yeah, and did you know that magneto has the power to turn it from a bright afternoon to middle of the night?

also, that they actually showed Logan, wild renegade he is, _packing a bag_ before going off to save jean, a scene that makes absolutely no sense except as a excuse to stall him long enough to have Storm try to deliver her horrible lines to stop him, but I'll let gear/remy/slocki get into the stupid script aspects.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 29 May 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha slocki you're on kenan's team
this movie is easily as good as you would expect from an x-men film. It's really hard to top #2, but the first one is a bit painful at several points. if you went to it planning to hate ratner then you get what you pay for. Congratulations for wasting your money!

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 29 May 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, why wouldn't he pack a bagpack? Jean wasn't in any kind of mortal danger and everyone knew exactly where she was, it wasn't like some kind of immediate concern to rus out before, like, Magneto kills her or something. I mean, seriously, why is it weird he grabbed his bag?

It's not like there aren't plenty of dumb things throughout the movie (why is Magneto making such a ridiculous, complicated plan? Non-metal syringes? Juggernaut still should've been able to beat down the wall. Etc), you and chaki seriously don't have to invent things that "make no sense" that are totally logical and not at all out of line?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

U AND TOM ARE ON RATNER'S BALLS LIKE LOHAN ON COKE

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

if you went to it planning to hate ratner then you get what you pay for. Congratulations for wasting your money!

haha dude i guess you're not aware that i'm like brett ratner's #1 defender!! i think i was the only one who was actually HAPPY that he was taking over from bryan singer!

(also i didn't pay to see this but that's besides the point)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

brett ratner is a WAY better director than bryan singer!

-- s1ocki (slytus...), June 7th, 2005 1:08 PM. (slutsky)

-- s1ocki (slytus...), June 7th, 2005 1:10 PM. (slutsky)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm hoping slocki is suffering from a momentary delusion, courtesy of Professor X.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

Gentlemen, both make totally terrible movies that somehow end up being bizarrely, immensely watchable (seen Apt Pupil?).

― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

the only difference is that one guy gets respect while the other doesn't (mainly for how they come off in interviews)

― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Apt Pupil's watchability is easily explained, though: Ian McKellen

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 29 May 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'll defend Singer's two X-Men pictures over The Usual Suspects, which is, yeah, an overwritten and underdirected picture.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 29 May 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

Wolverine blouses his shirts funny.

― eatadick.com (Carey), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

There were too many mutants in this movie and there was not enough of Kelsey Grammar slaughtering people.

― adam (adam), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

Apt Pupil was so awful.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

still, better than anything with x-men in it

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

People that don't like the X-Men should not be watching X-Men movies.
Just for this, Ally and I are going to go see Superman Returns and then make bitchy catty remarks on whatever thread you all come up with for that.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

Catty? This isn't personal; the movie just stank.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

I think I am solidly in the Ally & Tom camp of appreciating the effort put into making a very entertaining summer movie. The best thing about the third one is watching the wiggle room in Singer's style which is still not enough for Ratner to ruin it, but give me more to moan about in a "this actually makes it more fun" way.

Oh, interview with Ratner makes him responsible for moving the Golden Gate Bridge segment to the end of the film. Initially it was going to be to liberate Mystique and the other mutants who were being kept in Alcatraz as it is a prison. Which is why it only half makes sense.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't mind that they didn't linger/"justify" all the deaths, it added excitement (although that's not exactly comic book-y).

I did giggle when they slowly panned over all the tombstones that they'd accrued at the end (esp. because it went from Jean and Scott's tiny ones next to Xavier's BIG DADDY tombstone), though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't mind that they didn't linger over/"justify" all the deaths, it added excitement (although that's not exactly comic book-y).

I did giggle when they slowly panned over all the tombstones that they'd accrued at the end (esp. because it went from Jean and Scott's tiny ones next to Xavier's BIG DADDY tombstone), though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

oop

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

Confirmed: I liked Leech better when he was sucking out Aaron Eckhart's moral relativism powers in TYFS.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Or as Nicole Kidman's dead husband.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

so have Dan and Ian seen this movie yet or what?

xpost thanks for bringing that up.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

"People that don't like the X-Men should not be watching X-Men movies."

lol, i havent even seen this one! im just being bitchy for no reason.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

chaki, I'm sorry that you're apparently an idiot. It's not a matter of being on someone's jock, it's a matter of there are totally, totally valid complaints to be made about the movie, "OMG THEY ACTUALLY FOLLOWED THE PHOENIX STORY THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN" isn't one of them. At the very least, it's not a complaint about the movie. It's like getting pissed off because the troop dies at the end of Glory for christ's sake.

Jordan is totally OTM about the tombstones.

Re: alternate endings, can anyone else actually confirm or even describe the supposed Mystique, Jean Grey, and Cyclops endings? Because I've heard plenty of rumor of that but the only one I can come up with online that is actually described in any detail or confirmed by multiple people is the Xavier one...

Also it's kind of totally mean to bring leech to the school, I've decided. He's gonna be one hella unpopular little dude.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Ratner seems to suggest there is only one, in as much as he filmed it without telling anyone (according to him, unlikely I say) and then added it on. The way he talks about it suggests there were no other ones (unless Fox thought it was a great idea and knocked together three more quick ones).

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

haha the tombstones were stupid too though, shouldn't they ALREADY have one for Jean from when she died the first time around?

I don't think there's any other alternate endings, Patrick Stewart said that scene was apparently one of the earliest they shot and he didn't even know it was going to be there at the end.

― Roz (Roz), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad at least one other person noticed the sudden night thing. Magneto moves the bridge in daylight, yet it's completely dark by the time they walk off the bridge onto the island. That was the point in the film when any pretense at editing really stopped, though.

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

What about in Back to the Future when Marty first arrives in 1955? One minute: pitch black by the barn; the next minute he's out in front of the subdevelopment and its like 10 am. Plus it is supposed to be NOVEMBER (right?) and it is REALLY light!

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

tombot you can accuse me of being a ratner-hater or someone who doesn't like the x-men and you'd be wrong on both counts! accept that i don't like this movie because it sucks and not because i have an agenda!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I was kind of putting it down to Storm's fog powers, but yes, to be fair she is Mistress of Meteorology not Queen Of Darkness.

Going back to film one - amount of power needed to power the make humans mutants machines (oh this series and its science...) vs amount of power needed to MOVE THE ENTIRE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE.

Top Tips:
If fighting people with needle weapons, wear more than a string vest.

If you discover a pair of sunglasses belonging to someone who shoots deadly lasers out of his eyes, and cannot find him, spend a bit more time worrying about him before taking his apparently resurrected girlfriend home*

If you are saving someone from a syringe, consider how many clothes you are wearing (ie Naked Birds make rubbish human shields).

MUTANT TERRORISTs: Before shrugging aside your most loyal henchwoman, consider that you invented a machine in the first film that turns normal people into mutants.

*Could have been Mystique after all.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I ALSO HAVE NO AGENDA EXCEPT AN AGENDA AGAINST LAZY FILMMAKING. KELSEY GRAMMER WAS GREBT!

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO IM FULLY EXPECTING SUPES RETURNS TO SUCK. I HOPE IM PROVEN WRONG!

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

TOSSED SALADS AND SCRAMBLED GENES.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

i actually have a rad idea for a frasier-themed one-man-show, featuring me at a piano against a illuminated backdrop of the seattle skyline.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

lol. that rozz is sassy. ok imagine this:

wolverine kills phoenix. storm taps logan on the shoulder. logan turns around and sees storm holding a cure syringe. storm: "this is why xavier left ME in charge." ROLL CREDITS. THIS ENDING WOULF BE FUNNEY.

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds great.

x-post

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

i think the show would start with me playing a lively take on the "cheers" theme... it'd be divided up into chapters like "the lilith years" and "going west" (chronicling when "frasier" itself debuted). of course it'd also be about my life and my relationship with frasier crane. the show would end with me reading a letter from jonathan (fraze's little-seen son with lilith) to frasier that would actually be about my relationship with MY father.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

slocki I'm not really accusing you of having an agenda because I know you're generally above that. Your only agenda here is that you have crap taste in summer mutant blockbustery, apparently.

It should have been 3 hours long.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Re : alternate endings. From what I've read on one or two forums, most people have seen the Xavier ending.
However, there are 2-3folks who say they've seen the ending with Jean (well not actually WITH her). It seems there's a shot of corridors in the mansion that lingers over a picture showing Jean and Cyclops. At that point, the image shakes, you return to Jean's tomb and you see it being "deconstructed" (what does it mean? I have no clue! Don't blame me, I'm translating what some French guy said).
The Cyclops ending has been seen by exactly one (1) dude on some forum. He says you see the lake where Jean became the Phoenix and Cyclops died and suddenly this big fat gay-Cyclops-beam shoots at the camera.
Finally, the Mystique ending has been seen by exactly 0 internet people, yet everybody on some goddamn forum seemed to know that you see Mystique with a suitcase she gives to Magneto. You do not see what is in teh suitcase, but all these clever internet people who've not seen the scene guessed that it contained the antidote.

NB: Internet people do not really exist and they say crap all the time, so I've yet to decide whether I feel like believing 3 of them who say they've seen such an alternate ending.

― Jibé (Jibé), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, BTW all this comes to you straight from France. Maybe only us Frenchies are "lucky" enough to get alternate endings. Or, there are just too many liars.

― Jibé (Jibé), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

or french people are liars!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I'd seen an alternate beginning and middle, too.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

xpost : Yes, that was kinda what I was getting at. But seeing as we're already arrogant, smelly, not generous and stuff, I refuse to believe we're liars too :(

― Jibé (Jibé), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Finally, the Mystique ending has been seen by exactly 0 internet people, yet everybody on some goddamn forum seemed to know that you see Mystique with a suitcase she gives to Magneto. You do not see what is in teh suitcase, but all these clever internet people who've not seen the scene guessed that it contained the antidote.

Why the hell would she do this? Magneto abandoned her, and as punishment she told the feds about his plan.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I know. But there's a disclaimer at the end of my post. We're talking about internet people here, and none of them have actually seen this ending. Anyways, maybe she felt that her treason balances his act and now they can get together again.

― Jibé (Jibé), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

After reading this thread so far I'm convinced that my time would be better spent re-reading my copies of Uncanny 120-140

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Harsh words!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

But he's right - WEN-DI-GO is unfuckwithable. Though I'm stunned you don't have Days of Future Past on tap, LT!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

The little extra bit at the end (crappy digicam capture).

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

I have the feeling we can all put this behind us, if we can just find something else to concentrate on.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

But he's right - WEN-DI-GO is unfuckwithable. Though I'm stunned you don't have Days of Future Past on tap, LT!

Actually I do, but they're in storage at the moment (although I do have a full run of everything handy here as CBRs)

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

i'm waiting for them to use Polaris

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

i'm waiting for them to use Polaris

I liked her when i was 13 too

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

really? did you read boing boing then too?

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

NO... BUT I COULD HAVE!

When did you launch your zine? What inspired you to do so?
Mark: We launched bOING bOING in 1988. I was a mechanical engineer designed one of about 100 parts. It took months and months to design and test your assigned part. All the engineers knew each other by what parts they were designing. I was the motor guy. The engineer next to me was the flex lead guy. On Fridays we'd go to lunch with the actuator guy and the spacer ring guy and talk about sports and imported cars. I hate sports and I hate cars built after 1960, so even the meals were unsatisfying. I needed some kind of creative outlet, so Carla and I decided to start a zine. We decided to explore the coolest, wackiest stuff we could think of, and came up with the name bOING bOING. Bouncing through our crazy world.

― JW (ex machina), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I have the feeling we can all put this behind us, if we can just find something else to concentrate on.

Hm... so that's the Garth Ennis "Ghost Rider," I take it? I haven't read it.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

But you've heard enough about it to namedrop someone entirely unattached to the movie?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I guess that's what I'm saying. Could be a useful question, even: I liked the way that Ennis' "dying of cancer" storyline was written into Constantine.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm probably the only person here who would love to see a movie version of the Havoc & Wolverine: Meltdown mini-series.

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

So mediocre. Not even out-and-out bad, it was just tame and uninvolving enough to live forever on basic cable.

Big Blue Frasier was the best thing about it, even Magneto was lame - did he always look he was trying to squeeze one out when he's playing with metal?

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

I was dulled out. Many new characters, 0 new personalities, storylines, conflicts, blahdeblah. It may as well be Highlander 2, since apparently the cure doesn't even take and nobody who dies is actually dead. You can make the next X-movie and totally ignore what happens in this one.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

FOR GOD'S SAKE IT'S A MOVIE ABOUT FUNNY PEOPLE IN GREY TIGHTS SHOOTING EYEBEAMS AND LEVITATING THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE. WATCH A REAL MOVIE LIKE UNITED 93

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

In trailer news, virtually every film trailered prior to X3 looks totally worth my $10, even that ridiculous Uma Thurman/Luke Wilson superhero-as-psycho-ex film if just for the WTFness factor.

Even Fast and the Furious: Lost in Translation Edition, Ally?

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

The Uma movie could go either way.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

Why did they make Uma a dead ringer for Toni Collette? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just hire the real one?

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

Whew!
I just read this entire thread after seeing the movie.
I never read (past tense) teh comics.
My opinion of the movie, having seen the other two: not as good, but a decent time in the theatre.
(I saw Posiedon by myself and was much more upset by the director robbing the major themes of the original!)
I was really dissappointed that the "army of mutants" became something from a late 90's goth/punk festival. While all of the mutants standing in line were these normal looking people - the line Rogue enters when she gets off the very anonymous bus...
The beauty of the first two X-men movies (I repeat, movies, because i don't know these characters quite as well as some of you do), is that their special powers both enlighten and alienate them.
Why, then, have a crowd scene with mutants who are, basically, in the midst of a line towards radical change, and not show something similar to the blood dripping when (the guy from six feet under) tried to hack off his wings?
The plot didn't coalesce for me.
The lines and the bus were supposed to be reminiscint of the Holocaust. I think. My s.o. said it reminded him of people outside clinics that provide abortion.
Interesting.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

Even Fast and the Furious: Lost in Translation Edition, Ally?

This looked like dumb fun to me. I liek carz.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

WATCH A REAL MOVIE

Well, that's a pretty decent p...

LIKE UNITED 93

Oh, for fuck's sake.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think he was kidding.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

Haha no I think you should definitely go see it, Kenan.
I'm completely with Alfred on this one.
All the complaints people have bothered to articulate seem to fall into the usual categories:
1. THIS WAS NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH
2. THIS HAD TOO MUCH NONSENSICAL COSTUMING AND VIOLENCE
To which I have nothing to say, I mean, you're fucking going to see a movie about the X-Men. To reiterate, the X-Men:
http://home.mtholyoke.edu/~kaspella/xmenpictures/x-men3.jpg

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

oh, don't you dare! there are Excalibur members in that picture!

― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure there were some alternate versions of them and others amongst the "too many mutants" running about willy-nilly in this movie, confusing all the COMIC BOOK READERS who've been complaining about it. God forbid some actual spectacle or overcrowded set pieces in a movie based on a Marvel publication.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, you're fucking going to see a movie about the X-Men.

*Rolls eyes.* I had a friend who, when we were watching a movie and somebody would groan or laugh at some awful bit of dialogue or ridiculous plot point or otherwise poke fun, would say, "It's just a MOOOOVIE!" As if there were no such thing as a good movie.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

Okay WTF Angel, swoop in and save your dad, but don't help us fight off these motherfuckers. And, like, just wait a couple more years, Rogue, and you can fuck Leech, problem solved.

I can't believe there's even any dispute as to whether the chess piece moved. It was the king, btw, OMG. I REITERATE OMG. How SUBTLE.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

subtlety WAS always one of Claremont's strong points. Stan Lee too.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

WE NEED LOCKHEED

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

I shouldn't have typed it like that, because I actually really loved the ending. Also "GROW THOSE BACK", classic action movie I-just-kicked-your-ass one-liner.

I want a whole movie of just Danger Room sessions.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

tombot you're getting increasingly desperate here

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just not understanding the negative opinions on this movie. Though frankly if it's down to the "meh no Gambit" crowd + you & kenan I can probably give it up. You haven't liked any of them though, have you?

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

shut up, you.

xp to STUPIDSKY

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

i thought they all had problems... though there was definitely stuff i liked in x1 & 2 & that i missed from 3.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

I really like the second one. I can't not watch it when I flip past it on cable, which is... always.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I think I saw it twice in the theater, actually.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

I saw X-Men 3 times in the cinema (twice in Mexico).

I saw X-men 2 twice.

I saw X-men 3 once - and I think that will stand.

That said I think two is the best constructed summer action film I've ever seen. Whilst it has plenty of flaws, it is so giddily exciting that you never notice them as it runs. Three constant shows its flaws by big gaps in the narrative that Singer would have plugged in.

And yet, and yet, all the big sequences and big ideas are there. And the only bits that are missing are talkie bits so that's no great loss in an action movie, right? And lets be fair, it pisses from a great height on the Da Vinci code and Mission Impossible 3.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

nothing in 3 is REMOTELY as good as 2's opening sequence, although it's all pretty much as bad as 2's wimp-out climax

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

Pete rules
slocki I don't know what you talking

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

not a fan of the "running around in the underground lab" school of action movie sequences

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Even Fast and the Furious: Lost in Translation Edition, Ally?

A) It has dude from Friday Night Lights in it
B) It looks funny as all hell

Keep in mind there is no way you could've paid me to see the previous F&F films, but this looked absolutely hysterical. Definitely worth at least a Netflix, possibly a daytime movie theatre trip if I'm bored and already in Georgetown.

slocki I would be interested in hearing specifically what you thought besides "it sucked/it was missing something." It better not be "Why wasn't Gambit in this movie?" cos I read that like 17 trillion times yesterday on the IMDB boards and am going to nutpunch the next person who says that. I definitely still think there were too many mutants in the story, and I can see why people would be bothered by the way they chose to condense the Phoenix storyline (basically, I kind of thought the reason she was so comatose throughout half of her scenes was because they were trying to weed through the whole Jean Grey/Phoenix/Dark Phoenix struggle and Jean was still semi in control and thus restraining herself a bit--but was also a tiny bit disappointed that the Dark Phoenix basically only gets two scenes, would've liked more of that story exploration). Also I still think Angel looked totally crap and yeah, wtf with swooping in, saving Daddy, and then ditching the X-Men?

But I can point out that many flaws + more in the first X-Men movie (or in the second one--I am just going to reiterate, after watching X2 again recently, that bastardizing the hell outta Lady Deathstrike purely for the purposes of that pointless and really, really boring fight between her and Wolverine is waaaaaaaaay more WTF than, like, straight up making Juggernaut a mutant or curing Rogue, even though I liked X2 the best out of the group) so I'm not getting the Kenan line of reasoning about the awesome Bryan Singer and how this one "doesn't understand what people like about the X-Men."

I liked it! It was fun! I went in with low expectations because I feared they'd completely fuck up the Phoenix story and I was not disappointed by the way they handled that (though I will say I liked Singer's treatment of GLOWING PHOENIX FORCE POWER better than Ratner's, visually). The movie is very short and they could've fleshed it out more, made a longer movie, but all in all I'm not sure why this is any worse than X1.

(Seriously, as a side note to comic fans here: WHY do ppls love teh Gambit so much? Am I the only one who doesn't really care about him? WTF.)

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

well why WASN'T gambit in the movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

just kidding

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

okay i'm going to tell you what i didn't like about 3:

- didn't feel that the two major plot arcs (cure & phoenix) meshed well together at all, have no idea why they were in the same movie
- HUGE character stuff handled very poorly and left me totally cold: all the deaths & depowerings had no oomph to them
- especially cyclops; i wasn't so much upset that he died but that he did so in such a shitty fashion
- didn't like magneto's new gang of straight-to-video mutants
- shaky-camera, underlit action scenes that i didn't find very fun to watch
- too much of it consisted of overlong, really plotty conversations b/w the characters; at least singer really made the character stuff and acting work if he couldn't always pull off the set pieces

uhh... i'll think of more later

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

How can you not understand the negative opinions? I can write off the shlocky bits of the first two films as comic book movie crap, but this one wasn't even passable as a film. I could cut them some slack and say that there were two main plots: the Phoenix thing and the cure. In that case, how come Jean is a catatonic prop for over half the film and does absolutely nothing in the raid on the island? Magneto's great plot was for her to be a figurehead? Likewise with the cure storyline, the intro to it was nice but then we end up with the framing device being dropped. The great point being made is "they're cured -- or are they?" The entire father/son struggle bit evaporated after dude with wings swoops in to save his dad. I'm sure that was some great directorial shorthand to show that his father will accept his mutantness, etc. but it was sloppy! Not to mention the Rogue/Ice guy issues wherein he goes to look for her, but then gets there only to find out that he's not there to look for his girlfriend but instead to move the story forward as an ambush takes place! Then they remember that she has to show up at the end, no idea if she was at that particular clinic.

At least even the crap writer and director realize that Gambit is the worst character ever.

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

In other words, everything s1ocki says in a few more words.

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

mike I just explained why I was fine with the way they handled Jean seemingly vaguely stoned, but could understand why people wouldn't be. It (and her interactions with random-mutant-trying-stupidly-to-team-with-her) aren't actually that dissimilar from quite a bit of the comic but it could've been fleshed out more. Also you're totally right, Angel shouldn't have been in the film quite frankly.

But yeah Gambit is the worst character ever, I don't even get why people like him. OMG CARD THROWER fuck you.

all the deaths & depowerings had no oomph to them

I disagree with this. Cyclops's death isn't meant to be common knowledge for the majority of the film (or a certainty, for that matter, at least in my opinion), so they don't show it. If you don't like that loose end, I guess I can understand not being ok with how it was handled but quite frankly anything to get Marsden out of my face makes me happy so I'm a little biased. I don't get why you'd say that about Professor X's death at all.

With the depowerings, the only one I really had any issue with how it was handled was Mystique, not because of how it happened but because I have a hard time believing Magneto would just ditch her cold like that, it seems out of character for him (especially considering they apparently are all taking at face value that this "cure" is permanent).

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i agree about magneto's reaction (although when i saw it i was like "how do you even know that it IS permanent, wouldn't you want to try and help your partner in crime" and also "mystique is such a fun part of these movies, what a ripoff"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

rob lifield's xmen is not the xmen!

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Gambit is the worst character ever, I don't even get why people like him. OMG CARD THROWER fuck you.

I never really got him either! He just doesn't seem to have very impressive powers, and while I loved Justin Wilson I don't think being Cajun makes him especially cool.

I'll probably wait til video to watch this movie though, I just don't go to movies anymore.

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

I was bored right up until --------- got whacked. And the first ten minutes or so featured some ***BAAAAAD**** acting. Listen guys, if you can't get actors that can deliver setup/background exposition, just leave it out of the film and replace it with explosions, ok thx bye

― J (Jay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, did anyone else see Toad in the mutant church scene, on the wall. That completely retcons what happens to toads when they get struck by lightning*.

*The same thing that happens to everything else in case you forgot the worst line in the whole series.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

although when i saw it i was like "how do you even know that it IS permanent, wouldn't you want to try and help your partner in crime" and also "mystique is such a fun part of these movies, what a ripoff"

yup, exactly.

xpost

hey i liked that line; one of joss whedon's contributions that stayed in the film, only to be butchered by the actress

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

I want to see a Mystique - Mistress Of Disguise spin-off. With make-up and all.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

- didn't like magneto's new gang of straight-to-video mutants

haha.

wrong about the rest, tho

(ps - you were in a famous magazine recently!)

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

what??? what magazine? i was?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

natl geographic traveller? MONTREAL'S SIGHTS AND SOUNDS or whatever. You recommended a movie theater!

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah!! the writer interviewed me about movie stuff... hey, they said they'd send me a copy!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

The entire movie was summed up by the first action scene with Storm flying in, landing, looking both ways and then running off, like a SNL parody of a superhero action movie.

Since it's a superhero movie, I could totally agree with Ally and Tom on the irrelevance of bad acting, lame deaths, questionable plotting, if the action didn't suck.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno, i like movies to be good, regardless of subject matter, why is that unreasonable

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

(not that i want them all to be good in the same way, mind)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

It's not, I would expect more but I don't like any superhero movies except for the good Blades and Hellboy - XMen 1&2, Spidey 1&2, Batman Begins all different degrees of bad. I keep going hoping for a good one, Superman Returns looks like it might deliver.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

The important question is: did Jeanix disintegrate Prof. X just like all those other randoms? Or did she chop him into a bazillion tiny bloodless bits with shards of glass?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

milo, are you counting The Incredibles as a superhero movie?

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

Since it's a superhero movie, I could totally agree with Ally and Tom on the irrelevance of bad acting, lame deaths, questionable plotting

Um, except that's not really the argument I'm making but OK.

That line about Toad is truly the worst line in the series, I don't care who said it. I mean, it's just a terrible, terrible line.

Oh one thing that did strike me as totally disconcerting vis a vis acting--I know Halle Berry's vague attempt at having a foreign accent was kinda lame but wtf with her dropping it completely? Total Kevin Costner as Prince of Thieves thing going on with that.

Oh and I thought it was pretty obvious that she blew up Xavier just because it was done in the same manner as the later deaths, and appeared to occur just before the glass went his direction.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

anna rogue did the same thing as far as her accent coming in and out of the scenes. wtf.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

As for Jackman's Canadian accent. What was that aboot?

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but Anna Paquin wasn't quite as bad I don't think with it. Maybe I just didn't notice cos she's not in this one very much.

Speaking of accents, this is totally unrelated but wtf with Christian Bale permanently affecting his Patrick Bateman voice?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

I know Christian Bale did all his promotional stuff for Batman Begins in an American accent because he didn't want people being all "WTF WHY IS BATMAN A BRITISHES?" because you know, everyone is stupid. But I haven't heard anything about him making the change permanent.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

OK so there is a psuedo-logical reason for the entire special features on Batman Begins to be Christian Bale in this weird American accent. I was really worried!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

When N. talks about Batman Beginning he affects a mid-atlantic terrible accent.

Actually, a good point: birth places of the X-Men (actors):
Prof X = UK
Wolverine = Australia
Rogue = New Zealand
Jean Grey = Denmark
Storm = UK
Cyclops: ONLY US BORN (original) X-MAN

Second gen are more American true.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't Halle Berry American?

― 31g (31g), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

Um, yeah, she's from Ohio or Iowa.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

WOW I JUST WENT TO DOUBLE CHECK IF JAMES MARSDEN IS ACTUALLY AMERICAN OR ONE OF THOSE "CHRISTIAN BALES" AND FOUND OUT HE PLAYS JOHN WILKES BOOTH IN ZOOLANDER!!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

ALright, Halle is half British. Her Mum's British and I thort she was born here, but no, born in Ohio or one of those strange collection of vowel places.

Huzzah for IMDB. Boozah for me being wrong in practice but not pricipal
Famke is from Holland.
Kitty Pryde is Canadian
Iceman is Canadian
Beast is from THE VIRGIN ISLANDS
Collossus is Canadian
(Alright, Anna Paquin is Canadian too.)

FUCK ME THIS FILM SHOULD BE CALLED ALPHA FLIGHT.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps you are missing my important bit of news, that Cyclops is also the original male model, John Wilkes Booth????

Kelsey Grammer is from the Virgin Islands????????

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

WHen are they going to make the IMDB movie?

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

Man I dream about that.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Every time Jean Grey blew someone new to bits, I was (vainly, but sincerely) hoping that the bits would reconstitute as a Wonka Bar on a TV in the Danger Room or something.

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Dr Jean Grey you mean. Physician, heal thyself.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

In that case, how come Jean is a catatonic prop for over half the film and does absolutely nothing in the raid on the island?

I'm guessing it's because it was handled this way in the comics (except with Hellfire Club dude instead of Magento), and also because she probably didn't give a shit about the raid on the island, and also Magneto was probably afraid to order her around after that bit with the needles.

(and also because the plot kinda required it)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

For some reason today I'm finding it difficult not to tell outgoing faxes that "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch".

― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

"For some reason"

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

See this was always the problem with the Phoenix plot. Impressive as it was, it never really got on to the idea of limitless unbridled power being a bad thing full stop. The films on the other hand have always hinted at that being the case, and also had a way of getting there with the development of Jean. The Last Stand fluffs it in favour of Class 5 mutants and split personality, which would have been fine if it had been developed in the film (a good side effect from coming back from the dead perhaps) but was lousy as shiny head flashback.

I like the suggestion int he X-Men films that all mutants have silly hair.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

The "Class 5 Mutant" thing did kind of annoy me. I do think the split personality idea, as such, is far, far more interesting than "Phoenix Force" if handled correctly.

Note that when Jean becomes Phoenix she develops ridiculous magenta hair in the series. I'm surprised they didn't give Ian McKellen some kind of ridiculous stripes or something.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

If you watch all three in the space of a couple of days you really don't mind the lack of exposition re: PSYCHO HO POWERS in Last Stand. Like, Singer felt compelled to devote whole scenes (and more) to foreshadowing the dangerous nature of her hidden talents in the first two, and the opening sequence of Last Stand makes it oh yes very well clear enough to anyone that she's got more where that came from yesiree you can turn the gravity back on that's a good girl, so I for one don't really mind the fact that Ratner didn't feel the need to spend 5 minutes at the shore of Lake Alkali showing us explicitly how A BAD MOON RISING or whatever.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

BTW The hapless neighbor old dudes with the lawnmower and garden hose in that opening scene are Claremont & Lee, respectively.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

HAHAHAHA ok I was just going to post a link to the Wikipedia article about the comic book's classification system for mutants with the "Is this really less understandible than 'Class 5' etc" but was confronted with this:

The factual accuracy of this article is disputed.

O RLY???????

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Claremont should have been run over by a lawnmower, I'd pay to see that.

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I missed Claremont's cameo, but Lee's on screen for a good 3 or 4 seconds. Even tho his X-work was poo (esp. in relation to his other stuff).

[kekekeke xpost]

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose in a stripped down film (which 3 is) I kind of resented the double flashback scenes at the beginning, both of which were
a) lame compared to Nightcrawler in the White House
b) neither set up anything we couldn't work out or be told later.

I like the split personality more than the Phoenix force, but would have prefered it as a returning from the dead thing - ie nice heroic Jean accepts death as upshot of her sacrifice to others (fear about uncontrollable powers), ID wants to live, and can live through sheer force of will. OMG what mad skillz powers has my Pandoras Box unleashed?

Instead we have to accept that Magnenose and Prof X let her walk around like a ticky ticky timebomb.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Prof X puts mental blocks in her head in the comic, right? Except no one minds.

I thought the movie explanation was good, it would have been a lot harder to cram something in about the Phoenix force and how she got it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps the problem with a three year wait is it allowed me to think how I would have done it.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

But that IS what happens--as Jordan already says, it's canonical that Prof X put blocks on young Jean Grey's id because he foresaw (as could most anyone, I guess) the problems such power would cause, especially manifesting as young as they were in Jean Grey. The power starts remanifesting itself, but the amount required to make her sacrifice breaks the blocks wide open (except in the comic books this happens in SPACE which I guess is cooler). The story presented in the films is an actual comic book interpretation of the Phoenix saga. It's just that there are about 7 versions of the Phoenix saga depending on which shoot-offs you read.

But I do agree they could've explained that better in the film rather than having one rushed Xavier monologue and just assuming people already be knowing this.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I wanted a better explanation and more Phoenix action, but I think we all agree about the latter.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

I effin' love that Ally has the ability to talk about canonical X-men plot points on ILE.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

COMICS AREN'T JSUT 4 BOYZ!! WHIFF! ZANG! KABLOOIE!

If they make X4, they'd better not do any space pirate shenanigans. Asteroid M or Sentinel Orbital Base = OK. Feather-hair aliens & swashbuckling = FART.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Pete, I agree they rushed the explanation. I understood the shorthand going on and didn't mind it but on retrospect they could've spent more time on explaining what was going on, or showing it. It was less than two hours, the film, it wasn't like they were running overlong and needed to get down to just the meaty bits. Keep in mind I actually expected them to totally wuss on the Phoenix story completely so my expectations for that particular part weren't that high!!

J, it's my special power. I guess?

xpost haha yeah I'm actually kind of glad they decided to just reset the whole thing to Earth and avoid the space thing, I'm just saying I could understand the crowd who thinks space is totally cooler than Brian Cox (though I dunno if I agree with them).

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

the problem with a lot of marvel is that if you follow a series long enough your heroes eventually wind up fighting some kind of chattery cosmic jackass more powerful than Galactus and the Celestials himself, and a planet is destroyed, then undestroyed, then made the home of a new race descended from clones of one of the main protagonists who has been forced into another continuity in the marvel multiverse for their own 4-issue, so even though blowing up an entire island and everyone on it and sending tonnes of the pacific streaming into the air while random debris does cirque du soleil routines all around should by all means be impressive, it lacks a certain something, that something being insipid hyperbole, and by contrast the staging of say a certain character's passing might start to seem "perfunctory."

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Honestly, if there's anything that makes these events seem perfunctory to me is the fact that I KNOW Cyclops, Prof X, Jean Grey, etc all have died 73,000 TIMES in the Marvel Universe and there's absolutely no way that death, the most final thing that can possibly happen, is a finale in this world. It kind of takes away the impact to me cos I'm just assuming at this point that Scott Summers is alive somewhere and Prof X is in a coma victim and Jean Grey, well she'll do that thing she does. Nothing is ever final!

Unless you're poor, poor Ben Parker.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

not saying I wouldn't immediately drop $20 to go see Michael Bay's THE INFINITY GAUNTLET starring Ralph Fiennes as Adam Warlock, in a heartbeat, oh hell yes.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

This is why I stopped paying any attention to comics, the constantly explaining away deaths and horrible actions, and the whole "Oh yeah and also because of this there were dinosaurs" thing that seems to go on all the time.

oh fuck the Infinity Gauntlet, I still cannot manage to read that shit. I pick it up, look at the cover, and immediately have to put it back down before my ears bleed or something.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

they BETTER not bring none a'that Madeline Pryor shit over here. I'll put a pain in a man's brain.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Cyclops is really the stupidest person in the world.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Colossus didn't have a Russian accent, this annoyed me. I picked up on the leech in the room/rogue/sex thing too. I liked the way Professor X smiled just before he got broken to bits. I'm glad they offed Cyclops eraly. Yeah, it's comics, no one dies - except real actual people (Gwen Stacey as well as Ben Parker).

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

I want another Fantastic Four film with Galactus.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/dedpool1979/cyclops.jpg

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Since, at this point, we have a live Jean Grey who hadn't really died, and a fake Jean Grey who also hadn't really died, but no longer attempted to pass for Jean Grey, it had clearly become necessary for Scott Summers (Cyclops) to marry Jean Grey, but somehow this Jean Grey turned out a counterfeit, either as a clone (very original!) or an unexplained stochastic anamoly who amazingly resembled Jean Grey in all particulars, including powers. This third Jean Grey we may call Madeline Pryor.

Since, for whatever reason, Scott (Cyclops) Summers decided he didn't like the Jean (Madeline Pryor) Grey he married out of happiness for the untruth of the death of Jean (Phoenix force) Grey, who hadn't, after all, really been his Jean (Jean Grey) Grey, Scott left Madeline, presumably to return to Jean. [By now, Cyclops had slept with no less than three separate Jean Greys, and remained unhappy; wisdom would suggest that perhaps he needed to pursue other conquests rather than follow this destructive course of attempting to sleep with every Jean Grey in the multiverse.]

http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~djn2/Halloween/Gambit,%20Cyclops,%20Wolverine,%20Storm,%20Nightcrawler%20cropped.jpg

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

That picture is like some kind of alternate universe njguido.com

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

so not gonna happen

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

not saying I wouldn't immediately drop $20 to go see Michael Bay's THE INFINITY GAUNTLET starring Ralph Fiennes as Adam Warlock, in a heartbeat, oh hell yes.

Joe Pesci as Pip?

http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-P/Pip.jpg

― Yes, I Am Angling For Brain Pain (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

Bonus: offing JG & Cyke means movie fans won't have to see them dance to U2's "One" @ their wedding reception.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Andre Braugher IS the Silver Surfer

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

What the hell is the matter with the both of you.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Angelina Jolie IS:

http://cosmicbeings.tripod.com/images/themes/gamora.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

SIDEBAR:

http://www.samruby.com/OtherTitles/Infinity/Abyss6.gif

There was a FOURTH one?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

HELLO BITCHEShttp://sliverzone0.tripod.com/personajes/Marvel/silvsurfer.gif

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

THANOS:

http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/redriver/540/tierney1.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

OK FORTUNECITY = NO HOTLINKING
TRIPOD = NO HOTLINKING

ALSO FOR FUTURE REFERENCE JUST TO ALL, IN CASE THE ISSUE ARISES, IHTTP DOESN'T WORK CONSISTENTLY, PLZ USE PROPER HTML TAGS.

JON WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE PAGE.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Hey guys wtf is up with Halle Berry here?

http://www.mckellan.com/images/1463.jpg

I mean everyone else appears to be dressed so what the deal?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

he has class-3 stylesheet cascading power.

xp that looks like a fun party!

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

what's going on HERE?

http://www.starwrecked.faketrix.com/contents/celebs/large-pics/Famke-Janssen-as-Kamala.jpg

(that's Famke Janssen)

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

STYLESHEETS, COMMENCE CASCADING

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

I KNOW WHAT YOU TECHNICALLY DID TO THE PAGE BUT WHY YOU MAKE A "TRIPOD" LOGO FOLLOW ME EVERYWHERE I GO ON THE PAGE? WHY?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/avengersmicros/Hembeck-Wolverine.gif

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

oh fuck, tripod :(

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Aww better!!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

EMBEDDING NOW: THE XMEN MOVIE I WANT TO SEE!!!
http://ewancient.lysator.liu.se/pic/fanq/e/m/emmabell2/jean.jpg

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

how do i healed self

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4307

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

OK Jon another one that just says "Hotlinked picture"? I think gbx was overestimating you as a class 3!!!!!!!!!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

i got my info from gothcallisto

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Should I Make another thread for serious discussion of XMen or should I admit that the only person who is going to go see this movie and come here who hasn't already is Dan Perry and he ain't gonna mind?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

fuckj IO:*(

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'll tell you WTF is up with Halle Berry - every red blooded cock in the country what doesnt seek its own kind! hurrah for her flesh!

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

what about mutant green-blooded cock

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

They prefer Famke and Rebecca.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

rainblowblooded cockyvagina explosion of flavour!!!!!!!!1

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're looking for the coffee thread.

― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

More importantly what is McKellen wearing up there?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Famke is so hot when she's not veiny and purplish.

Did Romjin-Stamos play the human Mystique, cuz it didn't look anything like her.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

so not gonna happen

are you fucking kidding? they already have the cute storm chick in get-up with them, holding the big-ass thing of vodka

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

More importantly what is McKellen wearing up there?

i was gonna say.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

kingfish, I dunno what version of X-Men you've been reading, but that's Nightcrawler with the vodka.

Rebecca Romjin did indeed play human Mystique, but they put a black wig on her and a ton of eyeliner so she didn't look anything like herself. OTOH, as I said upthread, I'm not even sure what she looks like anymore if she's not blue and naked, so...

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

Should I Make another thread for serious discussion of XMen

You mean, like, to discuss how Colossus apparently fucked Kitty straight through the floor in the last ish of Astonishing X-Men?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

NO no one needs to discuss that or think about that.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

yes please!

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

IS WHEDON WRITING ASTONISHING? I HATE WHEDON.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

i guess i hate whedon too, if serenity is any indication.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. The rest of the issue (where Emma makes Cyclops cry like a small girl) was great, though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I thought "cascading tilesheets" was a comment on Ian Mac's getup.

― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

You mean, like, to discuss how Colossus apparently fucked Kitty straight through the floor in the last ish of Astonishing X-Men?

WhatEVer. You totally know that Kitty was in the throes of orgasm, and lost concentration for a brief second, and phased them through the floor. Oh my god YOU GUYS ARE SICK.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

SAME THING

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno what version of X-Men you've been reading, but that's Nightcrawler with the vodka.

ah yes, you're correct. the massive of black clothing was confusing, but Storm's fingers up there probably aren't that pasty

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I guess it's not your fault that dude is such a crap Nightcrawler that he can't even paint his hands properly.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

I like "Gambit"'s duct tape X across his chest. Also WTF open your beer already Wolverine you pussy!

― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

whedon wrote the "same thing that happens to everything else" line

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

The "mutant cure" stuff in this movie is Whedon's run on Astonishing too.

― 31g (31g), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

That line wouldn't have been quite as lame if it hadn't been delivered all seriously/menacingly.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

Actually I think that line reading is a great piece of salvage work. There's no way to say that without sounding like some kid in high school who's really grasping for a comeback unless you do it unironically, in which case it comes off more camp than trying-to-be-clever-and-failing-miserably.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

I agree, it's a horrid line no matter how it is/was delivered.

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

My friends went to a midnight screening of X-men [Thursday] night at the Chinese and were talking about what a hack Brett Ratner [Ed.note--That's not a nice way to talk about the King of Hollywood, is it?] is before the movie started. A woman behind them interrupted their conversation to defend Ratner, saying he was a great director and they didn't know what they were talking about. Apparently she got all up in their grill. They didn't say anything because they were so shocked--the woman was Courtney Love. Apparently, Love's date was pretty embarrassed too, because he kept sinking down further and further in his chair. It was only after the screening that another audience member told them her date was Ratner himself.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Lohan to Love is still trading down, right?

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

If true, best story ever.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

That's what you deserve for going to see your own movie when you're Brett Ratner.

― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Harvey Keitel as Thanos.

I love the way the Nightcrawler dude is "Yeaaah, I'm wasted! Oh what, Nightcrawler?". Also the Wolverine seems to be wearing a paper mask of Hugh Jackman.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Also I love the way that they persuaded the guy who's an enormous tool to play Cyclops. No, your reflective cycling gear is exactly what we'll need, Francis!

Basically that photo = the X-fast Club.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

just saw it. meh.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

I just love that anybody can talk about comics and use the term "canonical." And I hate tripod.

― J (Jay), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

i just saw this tonight.

it wasn't too bad, though a lot of crap was really left underdeveloped and not-very-fleshed-out. not a disaster by any means. but what do i know, x-men has never been my thing.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 2 June 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

I am developing a hypothesis: that people who don't have a similar degree of self-identification (or empathy, in more general terms) with the Dark Phoenix storyline in particular, or Wolverine or Rogue's plight, as outsiders amongst outsiders, tend not to overlook the various flaws in this film (or any of them, for that matter) and thus the overwhelming "meh" reaction from the larger populace, sans myself, Pete, and the wife. Not speaking for Pete by any means. For all I know he really appreciates the fact that they finally put Beast in these movies.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 2 June 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't have a problem with their breaking from the DP story; they were gunna have to. I also liked Kelsey Grammer. My dislikes were along the same lines as slocki's.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Yes. You like the movie because you are a more feeling, caring human being than those who did not. I can totally see that.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, the promo photos of the beast were funny/stupid/easy to laugh at, but seeing him in action and delivering his lines, i thought he did a great job of bringing the requisite Frasier/Sideshow Bob bits to the flick's most erudite character.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, kenan, because that's what he said, any reasonable human being can clearly extrapolate "more caring and feeling human being" with "identifying with the Phoenix," because clearly the rest of the 47,832 mutants one can pick to identify with (if any) are a bunch of hardass douchebags. Though I can understand why you'd think that he's saying something like that, I mean Tom's never been suspected of cutting people up and burying the parts in the floorboard, so maybes you get paranoids.

kingfish, I agree! I thought he was going to be awful but I was pretty pleased with the way they handled the Beast and how he handled the role.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite thing about the noize board is that they started a thread simply entitled TWIT and the intial post was just a photo of Kenan

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Grandma did a good job of filling the void of Proffessor Eggs.

What happened to proffessor eggs legs?

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not really sure why people liked Kelsey Grammer as Beast. Being 'Secretary of Mutant Affairs', wearing a fucking suit, talking in that same stuffy, emotionless affect... Hated it. But Beast is the Xman character I identify with most, so maybe that's why.

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Tom, I think your logic is pretty flawed. There are movies that bother me MORE because I identify with the characters or theme and I think they did a pretty shitty job of covering them. Empathy doesn't necessarily mean you'll accept anything that attempts to press your buttons.

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

One could plausibly identify greatly with the original Dark Phoenix saga in the comics and think they did a crappy job of converting what made the story good to film. While Kenan's definitely a twit, assuming that folks who don't like the movie don't identify with "outsiders amongst outsiders" is a stretch, esp. on ilx.

I haven't seen the movie yet, since I didn't catch X2 and our copy is always out at the store, but I'm excited to see it. Sounds entertaining if less than ideal, the big difference in reactions seems to be more of a half-empty/half-full thing about fun details vs. "a complete pciture."

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god Anthony, I really disagree with the way Tom expressed his point but you really had to throw in the esp. on ilx thing? Are some of you just never going to realize none of us are special, or weird, or outsiders? Why do I always have to feel like Edward Norton on this bitch.

You don't need to rent X2 to catch it, it is literally on FX or TBS once a week right now, at least, just keep an eye out for it. You lose virtually nothing but a handful of swear words in the tv version (and by "handful" I think there's like 3 of 'em that get converted to "dork" and "shoot").

But yeah, empathisizing with the characters (or, more accurately, identifying yourself in a character, as empathy implies something different to me when talking about film characters) doesn't necessarily mean you'll overlook flaws, that argument doesn't make great sense to me.

I will make a point that came to me a bit ago, mainly because of Tom's vehement disagreement with me that they could've fleshed out the Phoenix exposition more--he's right, X2 and X-Men clearly are leading through that storyline. Asking to see more Phoenix action makes good sense to me, but now I'm not sure if asking to flesh out the exposition as to what her powers are, why, etc IS sensible. It'd get pretty damn boring if they explained what the Force was constantly in Star Wars (for proof, see second SW trilogy!). So I'm not sure why Xavier's rushed explanation to Logan as to why they need to try to fix this isn't sufficient?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

dude, x2 is great. seriously, do what you can to grab the flick.

but yeah, i agree with miccio that these are pretty important characters to me, moreso than the storylines. I could care fuckall about clinging to the details of the DP story(i want my starjammers movie, tho! hello HBO, let's go!), but to me, getting the vibe of the characters right(or improving on it, a la mystique) is far more crucial.

and i'm that's what made me so happy about the first two movies was the little character bits, and that the three main actors pulled them off with the scene-appropiate gravitas or humior.

A moment from the first movie that's lodged in my mind as a perfect scene or ideally handled character work: We see logan flustered and running out of the mansion, looking for a way to get north. he then notices Scott's ricer bike. the next series of shots was probably my fave moment of the flick: him zooming thru the woods and the series of first-person shots of logan's POV intercut with close-ups of logan's face, and him noticing the weird little button on the controls, which he then, of course, presses. we then see Hugh Jackman pull off a perfect shit-eating grin as he hurtles thru the woods in a bit of filmmaking that far better conveyed a sense of speed & danger than anything shot 17-18 years earlier on Endor.

(its been years since film class so's my cinematic language is a bit lackin', but you get the idea)

xpost

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

not that the 3rd flick didn't have the character bits that i like, but for whatever reason, the whole thing just didn't work too well for me.

character bits that i did like:

-kelsey grammer
-the prof & magneto visit the kid
-the angel in the bathroom scene

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

OK the Logan-steals-the-bike is one of my least favorite scenes (I think it's completely hacky and oh jesus god, Singer, you've got to be kidding me, "Atom Bomb"?) in X1 so I see we are at cross-purposes.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

ah, well, there's that.

what'd you think of the angel-bathroom scene, then?

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I liked the scene itself, it was really kind of gritty and disgusting, but disliked the use of Angel in the film (I would've actually been happier if they just abandoned him completely after he flew out of the lab).

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

i agree.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

high fives!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Angel bathroom scene is okay, but since we don't get any further development of it, until cure-wings-bam its a bit pointless. It is ironic that probably the best looking mutant with possibley the coolest powers (Angel - FLYING) is the soure of the cure, rather than - say - Hank McCoy (which has some comic bell ringing).

I think the bike scene in X1, like the up-middle-finger in X2 are both very un-X-men, and very great cinema moments. Third film lacked those moments of comedy, maybe lighting his cigar on the NOT REAL FIRE in the Danger Room...

(Danger Room was cool but on the whole pointless. I had not missed it fromt he previous films and its dodgy science is even more dodgy than all the rest of the films dodgy science).

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

one of my top favorite character bits in X2 is when Xavier & Logan are in Cerebro and Prof tells him to put his cigar out, knowing there is no ashtray in sight, so Jackman has to make paingasm faces while he extinguishes the stogie in the flesh of his own palm. I can agree with the argument that there aren't anywhere near enough pauses in the action for moments like that in X3.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

yup, that's another good one.

or the "prove it"/"you're a dick" bit from the first one.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Are some of you just never going to realize none of us are special, or weird, or outsiders?

Hey, I'm not the one claiming to have an extra special bond with Wolverine!

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

It is ironic that probably the best looking mutant with possibley the coolest powers (Angel - FLYING) is the soure of the cure,

???

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

I know I didn't explain myself as well as I should have but it's the difference between really wanting/expecting to see an objectively good movie and really just hoping that they don't completely fuck up certain characters and plotlines, then being ecstatic that they pull them off

I really still don't understand how someone can claim to be a fan of the DP story or the characters/cast and yet not enjoy this film, to be honest, but whatever, I'm through with yet another utterly wasted week of posting to a thread on ILE about film

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

You're acting like a wordy Morbius right now.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't even call you a whore

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

You were thinking it.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

omgwtf u read my thoughts through my ADAMANTIUM HEADBONE

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

SNIKT, PEOPLE

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

dood you are boardering on imdb boards style meltdown !

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

He didn't even bring up Gambit.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.dcfdavis.org/albums/album58/IMG_7531_Medium.sized.jpg

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

the complete eschewing of yellow skullcaps was a particularly ingenious departure from the comics

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

There's something ominous about that banana.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

her other hand is giving him the fastball special

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 2 June 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're a weird outsider. So there.

― J (Jay), Friday, 2 June 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't give a fuck, I apologize that after a certain amount of red wine imbibery I don't guard and/or disclaim myself enough, I wish I never posted that, and Kenan's a twit.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 2 June 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

or the "prove it"/"you're a dick" bit from the first one.

Which is the other Whedon line that survived.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 2 June 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Hahahahahahaha

― Dan (I SAW THIS LAST NIGHT) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 4 June 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

What'd you think, Dan? I just realized that what I really missed was actual character advancement and punchy dialog.

― mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 4 June 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

I was ambivalent upon leaving the theatre but several things impressed me about the movie upon reflection:

- The use of the source material as a jumping-off point to take the mythology in a completely different direction was an excellent, excellent decision. No one in this movie was particularly safe and, for the first time in the series, there was a palpable sense that the main characters were in jeopardy and might not make it out unscathed.

- Hugh Jackman continues to be the only person on the planet capable of removing the rotting stench of unbearable cliche from Wolverine. (I freely admit that he replaces it with the palatable smell of enjoyable cliche.)

- Famke Jannsen (sp?) was FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS. I have never seen someone radiate that much malevolence without even moving.

- The girl who played Kitty was PERFECT. I can totally see her turning into a brainwashed ninja.

- Ian McKellan was FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS. But he always is, so blah blah insert rave review here.

However, the most stunning/shocking thing is that on balance I thought "Mission: Impossible III" was a better constructed, more enjoyable film. I still kind of can't believe I'm saying this, considering that I hate Tom Cruise, but that movie was just so far beyond my expectations it isn't even funny. "X3: The Last Stand" was slightly below my expectations but given that I've grown to like the movie more and more as I think about it, I'm betting that subsequent viewings will be even more enjoyable.

― Dan (X2 Is Still The Best One, Though) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

OMG I only scrolled up a few posts and it's like a douche convention up there! WTF, people?

― Dan (Films Make Us All Assholes) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

The use of the source material as a jumping-off point to take the mythology in a completely different direction was an excellent, excellent decision. No one in this movie was particularly safe and, for the first time in the series, there was a palpable sense that the main characters were in jeopardy and might not make it out unscathed.

i'm totally with you here (at least in theory)... i couldn't give a shit how faithful they are to the comix as long as the movie's good

also otm!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, I had the same thought but couldn't stop thinking during MI3 that it was basically a first season episode of Alias. I kept waiting for the scene where Tom Cruise was going to put on high heels and a wig!

― mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 4 June 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

MI3 was the ONLY film in the theatre we saw X3 in that WASN'T sold out. For any of its showings! I was kind of amazed by that; I mean Thank You For Smoking was sold out. Films were getting a huge upswing (it's rare to see EVERYTHING sold out at a megaplex) from X3 overflow--but I couldn't for the life of me figure out why disappointed X3 ppls were actively avoiding...the only other action film playing in the theatre. It was weird!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Sunday, 4 June 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

A lot of people really don't like Tom Cruise! I've had friends say they won't "support" him. If he doesn't fix this fast he's gonna wind up Richard Gere!

― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 5 June 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I just watched X2 finally and aside from Jean's death sequence (I wonder if Marsden wouldn't be such a cold fish if we could see past his visor) and Halle Berry existing solely as a deus ex machina that can't act, I thought it kicked ass. The complaints about the plot are saddening, but I still need to catch the new one.

― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 5 June 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

I caught X2 last week during one of Sci-Fi or Bravo's endless rescreenings and I was convinced that, after Magneto's jailbreak scene, I need never watch Silence of the Lambs ever again.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 June 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

Equally agree regarding MI3, though I think I would rather see X3 again. MI3 would be an almost perfect action film if it wasn't for the last five minutes.

It has also introduced the phrase "Simon Pegg is the Chloe" into my life: which is useful when he is in the pub.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 5 June 2006 06:36 (nineteen years ago)

Equally agree regarding MI3, though I think I would rather see X3 again.

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly how I feel.

Ratner... Ratner is very good at doing easily watchable, disposable fun movies. I could watch either "Rush Hour" movie practically at any time, whereas most of the movies I would call "my favorites" really require a mindset for me to pull them out (I haven't watched "Jacob's Ladder" in YEARS, yet I would still say that's my favorite movie).

― Dan (Also Wasn't Simon Pegg The Oscar?) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

Ratner is very good at doing easily watchable, disposable fun movies. I could watch either "Rush Hour" movie practically at any time,

Oh Dan, you hurt me. I would like the second Rush Hour more if it instead of showing cars mowing down corrugated shacks and hapless Cubans we saw cars mowing down humans, and Magneto hovering in the sky, cackling.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 June 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

wow definitely feeling the b-movie vibe slocki alluded to, aside from a scene or two (and the sub-AH-noldisms) the dialogue is boring and boilerplate and the plot is needlessly silly and has but the barest, crudest grasp of any of the psuedo-serious issues it brings up. Ratner doesn't seem to know the difference between the speeches that cut the meat of the story and the speeches that are supposed to get you from point A to point B, he handles the former ok but gives equal time to the latter, making the movie feel needlessly drawn out given its length. Dumb characters with really dumb, underwhelming machinations(the central casting punk cannon fodder, magneto's...plan? how does it occur to you to reroute a fucking bridge and not maybe use it as a weapon and be done with it?) might seem par for the course for anyone still repping the 'just a comic book movie' angle but it's an insult to the intelligence of everyone else, especially coming on the heels of a smart, well-built entry from the same goddamn franchise. I never dug the dark phoenix saga, truth be told(too young for it maybe? I never got the love) but what I remember of it was better than...this. This was hackwork. Just do a death right, dude. You got three chances, even.
Ok anyway comic book nerd says it was kind of entertaining. Kelsey Grammer was the Beast, Patrick Stewart got to shed the benevolence for a minute, which threatened to become interesting. LOLZ at the gravestones! At least it kept me waiting for something(I hate when disappointment sets in before the movie is over and it didn't, I'll give them that)

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 5 June 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

I would like the second Rush Hour more if it instead of showing cars mowing down corrugated shacks and hapless Cubans we saw cars mowing down humans, and Magneto hovering in the sky, cackling.

Well, duhhhhh.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Scientists now believe that some Cubans maybe be a type of human!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

Rush Hour 2 is actually not the same film as Bad Boys 2, Alfred. Come on, what kind of bigot do you have to be to not tell the difference between Jackie Lawrence and Chris Smith?

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my bad, I meant Will Tucker. Or Kevin Kline. Whatever.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

I would've enjoyed Henry V a lot more if instead of showing a giant spider-mech threatening to kill the president we saw a giant spider-mech mowing down Laertes, and Magneto hovering in the sky, being a big queer.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

WELL DUHHHH

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

I love this, I don't even have to give Alfred shit because others are doing it for me.

― Dan (Hahaha) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

(Do I want to get into the "did you not remember that the hapless Cubans were actually fronting/participating in a massively corrupt cocaine smuggling ring in your commendably faux-liberal determination to feel sorry for imaginary brown people?" thing or not?)

― Dan (Avoiding Work) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

He meant cigars. Not people.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Or indeed mutants, not people. Cos they get mown down in the last stand loads.

Interesting talk on future sequels. Clearly Wolverine is easy money (though careful on how they do it.) Talk about the Kids From X-Men getting a film (as they are cheap), and now Doug Liman talking about Emma Frost. Clearly the franchise is a mint, and a mint which Sony consistently underestimate too. Now may well be the point when they overestimate and blow the whole joint up.

Get interesting directors again though plz. Thx.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Rush Hour 2 is actually not the same film as Bad Boys 2, Alfred. Come on, what kind of bigot do you have to be to not tell the difference between Jackie Lawrence and Chris Smith

Haha. Both movies have merged in my mind. I'll just call it Bad Hours, which comes close to describing what watching Bad Boys 2 was like.

I don't give a damn where they were from (hell, my parents are Cuban), it just wasn't much fun; that's why it would have been a much better film had Will Smith been given some mutant power that didn't involve making wise cracks smugly. (And no liberal sensibilities were invoked since I ain't liberal!)

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

I don't give a damn where they were from (hell, my parents are Cuban), it just wasn't much fun

Er, yes it was!

― Dan (Best Onscreen Usage Of An H2) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Not AS MUCH fun as the alternate scenario though, you must admit.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

Best Onscreen Usage Of An H2

Ha! This I will concede.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Not AS MUCH fun as the alternate scenario though, you must admit.

Well yeah.

― Dan (My Point Was More "I Like Stupid Action Films" Than Anything Else) Perry (D, Monday, 5 June 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

Rupert Murdoch made this movie, not goddamn Sony.
Magneto & Wolverine look to be confirmed spinoffs, cf. IMDb.
I would really like to see a Rogue/Kitty/Iceman/Colossus movie, possibly involving college and hijinx.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

X-Jinx!

― Dan (How Do I Shot Me) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

They could use Colossus just as much as they did in this movie, helping them all move in. He TOTALLY carried that tv!

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Marvel Production Company's page on IMDb reveals a bit of fun in the works. THOR. and a Hulk sequel.
http://www.imdb.com/company/co0113567/

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

oh god they've always fucked up thor

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

If there's one thing the world has been demanding, it's an ANT-MAN MOVIE.

― Dan (WTF) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

the ghost rider preview looks especially ridiculous

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Ridiculously awesome, yes.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just sayin, Patrick Warburton would revive the Punisher "franchise"

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

BROTHER VOODOO

STARRING ICE CUBE

DIRECTED BY JOSEPH KHAN

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'm totally torn on Ghost Rider

1) Nicholas Cage :(
2) Nicholas Cage will be replaced by a CGI flame skeletor on a bike for 88% of the film :D

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Just wait for the DVD and skip through the Cage bits.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i meant to put that on the right

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

JON YOU ARE TOTALLY FAILING HTML RECENTLY.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

goddammit jon right-align that shit

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

O RLY

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

YOU ARE FAILING AT LIFE

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

YA RLY

― Dan (My Spirit Lives On In Our Youth) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Unless you were not aware Dan: the Ant-Man movie is in the works
Directed by Edgar Wright (Shaun Of The Dead) and written by Joe from Adam and Joe.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 5 June 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

You'll believe a man can boss around picnic bugs!

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Er, Pete, did you not look at TOMBOT's IMDB link...?

― Dan (I'm Guessing No) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

SOMEONE GET THIS NICHOLAS CAGE OFF OF MY INTERNETS

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 5 June 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, but i thought it needed to be emphasised even more because it is such a great id-

OK. NO.
But as you know anything I can do to get Edgar Wright or Simon (Chloe) Pegg into a thread I will, for the feeble reason that they might be down the pub tonight.

I feel small and worthless. A bit like Ant Man! (The Wasp better make the cut too).

Come on Ally, surely a film where Nicholas Cage's face burns off appeals to you?

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 5 June 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Definitely, that is the main appeal of the movie, flaming burnt-face Nick Cage. Non-burning, with-a-face Nick Cage isn't a highlight of the prospect, though. :(

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 5 June 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~sih03/listology/ca.jpg

― Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Monday, 5 June 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

OMG

― Dan (How Did I Miss This???) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think I can answer that.

"This was originally intended for a direct-to-video release, but later there was plans for a small release to theaters. However those plans were scrapped, and the movie's fate became unknown, until it was later announced as a Sci Fi Channel original movie for Spring 2005. The DVD and VHS became available in Summer 2005."

It was buried like a damn cat-turd is how you missed it.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Monday, 5 June 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

If it had been GIANT SIZED MAN THING it would have hit the cinemas.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 5 June 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

No Barbeau, no credibility.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 5 June 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

i finally watched this, on tv, and it was bad. peace

― Hamburger Hitler (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:51 (thirteen years ago)

Wow there was a Man-Thing movie? AND it had actors portraying Steve Gerber, Mike Ploog & Val Mayerick?

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 June 2012 00:24 (thirteen years ago)

ten months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvHW1oIKUxI&feature=youtu.be&t=36s

― polyphonic, Monday, 15 April 2013 17:57 (twelve years ago)

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