me and you and everyone we know=best movie i've seen in years

for me it was really really perfect

wait, what does she have to do with the need? i saw the need once and didn't like them.

It looked a bit indie!!!

netflix says availability unknown :(

You know, if you liked Garden State, you'll probably love this movie. Let's put it that way, okay?

you should check it out again

okay FUCK this, I'm not even giving this movie a chance.

Funny Ha Ha is fantastic, I highly recommend that one. It airs on the Sundance Channel every so often, so if you have that on your cable, look it up.

sound like a fair deal?

I really wanted to see The Holy Girl, but it only showed for a week and I couldn't make it to Dallas. Art-house/foreign films need to speed up their DVD cycle.

*not ever, but it has been a while.

--------------------------------------------------------------------i'm being generous.
-- Amateur(ist) (amateurist...), July 7th, 2005.

i'm even more sure i'll like it now.

I was kind of strongly repelled by the childlike hipster artist lead, but the movie survived her, I thought. It fell back on universal indie tropes of Longing and Wonderment as shorthand for actual depth, I thought, but not in a too-offensive way.

I think it had an interesting take on danger and death - in that so many films/tvshows/etc feature a constant threat, esp to women and children, while this film acknowledged that danger is real but we can't live our lives as if it's constant, e.g., we're supposed to think that the internet is full of evil perverts who will take our children away, but, in fact, the internet is just as full of lonely, hopeful, if slightly perverted, people who most definitely have no interest in harming our children. I mean, it was a good blend of innocence and knowing; perhaps that even made it wise.

I thought this was the movie that everyone who saw Garden State SHOULD have seen.

I think that how much a person will like this movie depends greatly upon how much they would like to either be good friends with or date Miranda July's character in the movie. (Or maybe in some cases be Miranda July's character.)

-- ryan duelberg (duelberg27@aol.com

I understand and appreciate this statement. < / gwbush > I've seen her stuff before and have never seen her as lovely as she is in this move.

I thought it was largely a load of rubbish. The characters and dialogue just didn't seem at all believable to me, and I think it had a lot higher aspirations thatn it could have ever hoped to accomplish. July's character was inconquerably annoying. It was never justified as to why the father of the two boys was the way he was, so that didn't work for me at all. Whoever called the film 'precious' was spot on.

Seemed to me a film for people who live in a bizarre fantasy land, which would explain why it has so much 'indie' appeal.

breezy:indie
Deej:hip hop

I don't get why we're doing this.

Man you guys really swing for the stands when you think something might be indie. From a bunch of indie music fans!!!

I think it's important to draw the distinction between 'independent' and 'indie'.

And Funny Ha Ha may be a first feature but it looks and sounds really amateurish, and I know thats the point but I think its sloppy and detracts from the experience regardless.

but the movie was funny, i'll give some of you that. i sure did laugh at how ridiculously stupid and un-profound that whole fish scene was.

sure, any one of the characters *could* be replications of real life, but all of them acting so ridiculously unusual within the movie's couple-day span? they're all unbelievably "quirky." and after two hours of it, it seems hard to find any of them (save the mom) as real and distinct people.

and it is not as if i have a problem with the fact that every scene makes me think "no one says that" or "no one would do that." it just seemed to lack a reason to be that way. "i heart huckabees" used that same technique but it seemed to do that to poke fun at existentialism, among other things.

DIE.

)) ((

Though I thought Kate Dollenmyer's perf in Funny Ha Ha was one of the year's best, this was better made with a steadier pulse.

I enjoyed it, and hope the movie will lead to an ASCII-art renaissance.

this was my favorite part of this movie! (which i otherwise felt pretty meh about)

Re her 'stalking,' I think MANY people have engaged in that relatively harmless level of it at least once in their lives. Not ME, of course COUGH COUGH COUGH.

way xpost:

I think it's important to draw the distinction between 'independent' and 'indie'.

OK, I can't wait to hear this...

Does this work?

Several of us tried to reproduce it upthread, but were foiled by disappearing less than/greater than signs. For the sake of completeness, I thought I'd try it with the proper HTML entity codes.

indie twiddle bullshit

Just saw this for the first time ever. Entertaining, beautifully shot, and some hilarious scenes! Brought me back to Ghost World when the two art critics said "This burger wrapper looks so real!" and the artist dude said "It is real". Pooping back and forth was surreal and CLASSIC. The kids in this film really stole the show IMHO.

I think some plotlines drifted off and some editing choices were made that probably made this seem precious and could have been fixed if more time was spent editing. People afraid of another Garden State should be ware that smugness and indie rock worship are almost non-existent here. I want to see some of July's video art now!

had to turn it off

awesome movie indeed.
I want to see some of July's video art now!

you don't. at least, i have a 2dvd-version of Me and You and it also contains some kind of stage/play/monologue act by July and it's boring as hell. (also sort of pretentious)

had to turn it off

― now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Monday, February 16, 2009 2:28 PM Bookmark

^this

v good movie imo. john hawkes is a dope actor, i wish he'd get more work in film. he's in s. darko which is either a sign that it's actually going to be interesting or that he really needs the work.

i guess it might not have been as terrible as donnie darko

Nobody has ever adequately explained to me what's "twee" about this film -- though I guess, in people's defense, they do name things that I find it difficult to conceive of as inherently "twee." Most of this just entertains me with this drop between the incredibly literal and the incredibly metaphorical -- real things becoming ridiculously concrete metaphors, or metaphors suddenly becoming ridiculous literal.

It's true about the editing, though, which seems really consistently a shade off in one direction -- it thinks it needs to linger on things a moment longer than it actually does.

Nabisco, you really need to stop assuming people speak the same language you do.

I don't assume that, especially about people in, like, France or Korea or Kyrgyzstan

If the above is too opaque, what I mean is that people call this "twee" and I say "what precisely is twee about it," and sometimes they name elements of this that just seem like things to me -- like the existence of children or the fact that people sell shoes, these are on some level just things. It's also a film that uses the sexuality of young people to kind of create this sense of risk at different points, and isn't particularly idyllic in its presentation of the world, and generally ... I don't think that word's a good one for talking about it, I guess.

s1ockisco

xp

i dunno i liked it & was defensive about it upthread but then i saw it a second time with a friend & was sort of weirdly embarrassed to have said that it was good & im not really sure why -- if it was just the 2nd time through it or what -- it just seemed a lot more empty the second time

but yeah i dont get the 'ahhh its TWEE' thing about it at all

This film is terrible - and thus terribly disappointing, cos I hoped to like it (and read her book and everything). One particularly vile thing about it is how children in it are sexualized, and another related and even more vile thing is its scatological bent. Oh, yuck, this film is disgusting and awful.

pinefox being ironic?

this movie is just such a joy.

))<>((

http://www.ifc.com/news/2010/12/miranda-julys-new-film-added-t.php

this is so bad

why would anyone watch this ever

sorry, not everything can be your favorite.

sometimes people like things that are different from the things that you like

one of the single most contrived films I've ever seen

I'm not gonna even complain anymore, just gonna erase this movie from my brain

Sometimes I wonder if I'd hate this movie just as much if I watched it now or whether I'd hate it more. I can say for sure that I wouldn't hate it nearly as much as I'd hate myself for watching it a second time.

This movie kind of reminds me of the book of Dracula in that it features all this brand new technology in a really obvious but also endearing way.

Turned this off in virulent disgust after about 8 minutes.

it was the shoe department scene. god i hate even thinking about it!

hit the indie-quirk-twee angle really hard right before it exploded into everything. i didn't mind it at the time, mostly because i was primed by a (shitty, but earnest) professor with a Miranda July obsession and it seemed weird enough to let slide. if i saw it today i would probably hate it with a fury too tbh.

http://i.imgur.com/RdZo3.jpg

Easily the best part of the movie, but even there, they had to go and steal me and my brother(andeveryoneweknow)'s age-old and oft-discussed concept of pushing a turd back and forth. Thievery!

Hah, this is the first mention of this movie I've encountered since its initial release. All I can remember about it is that is has the guy from "Deadwood" and "Winter's Bone" in it. Right?

Turned this off in virulent disgust after about 8 minutes.

― wewetyourpants.com (rip van wanko), Friday, April 22, 2011 2:40 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

lol me too. Might have made it a little further in but it was p much insufferable imo.

i once saw the older brother at other music wearing the back and forth shirt

i'm still disappointed in how bad this was - i really liked the short video pieces she made before it

my first encounter with this film was summer 05 when my dad picked me up from freshman orientation at Rutgers and was all like "we're gonna go to CBGB's" (which I was totally unprepared for, like wearing flipflops and shit) and at some point that night I was standing on the Bowery outside of CBGB's looking at a poster for this film and I felt something on my foot and look down and see a cockroach crawling away :(

Yes I am sure this is how all of you felt when you watched the film etc

this movie was like a cockroach crawling across a foot stamping on a human face, forever

this movie is the little bird silhouette embroidered onto anything that ever sold on etsy

this movie was cool. my wife looks a bit like her, maybe i'm biased. that actually led to the two of them hanging out once, which was cool. quite nice, apparently.

lol I remember that story and I think that she does look a lot like her. Movie still awful though.

as far as indie movies go, I can tolerate this twee business much more than the mumblecore nonsense.

I quite liked her book, or thought I did, and then I saw the film, and absolutely couldn't stand it, and thought: well, maybe this film is how she imagined the stories to be, in which case I don't like them like I thought I did.

I agree with the people here who are stunned by how awful the film is. It didn't need to be this bad - if it had just been quirky or something I might have got along with it fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmIFSCRhYzo

i was surprised to see dude from deadwood is also dude from eastbound and down,
which makes me wonder, how would you guys like to see this movie done by danny mcbride?

Would totally watch a remake of MAYAEWK w/Kenny Powers as the love interest

I quite liked her book, or thought I did, and then I saw the film, and absolutely couldn't stand it, and thought: well, maybe this film is how she imagined the stories to be, in which case I don't like them like I thought I did.

O_o that just seems like a ... totally bizarre reaction. the film isn't based on her book or vice-versa.

and i'm with omar: i really liked this movie! and the book! funny ha ha is a terrible piece of shit, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R86u250DXi8

like it

Love the hell out of this movie and now it has deep associations for me with this absolutely ridiculous relationship I was a part of for the past 5 months with a certain famous punk rock drummer's niece (hint: I'm in Mendo) so I need to at some point see if I can even still watch the thing given that she would call me when she wanted to go out drinking, say "macaroni" and hang up. But I introduced it to her, not the other way around and I think it's a strong enough film that maybe it'll have an ever deeper meaning for me.

P.S. Can I like marry Miranda July or is that one dude still hitting that?

LOL married to the non-REM Mike Mills. Drat.

To her detractors (“haters” doesn’t seem like too strong a word) July has come to personify everything infuriating about the Etsy-shopping, Wes Anderson-quoting, McSweeney’s-reading, coastal-living category of upscale urban bohemia that flourished in the aughts. Her very existence is enough to inspire, for example, an I Hate Miranda July blog, which purports to detest her “insufferable precious nonsense.” Or there is the online commenter who roots for July to be exiled to Darfur. Or the blogger who yearns to beat her with a shoe.

I understand this, at least in theory. The urban bohemian irks precisely because his or her quirky individuality is just part of a different kind of uniformity, where the uniform happens to be a bushy beard or Zooey Deschanel bangs rather than country-club khakis. Twee fascinations with childhood innocence can mask an unwillingness to tackle life’s darker quandaries. Who wouldn’t be annoyed by a guy who, say, finds a cracked milk bottle, makes a film about it, then silk screens it on a T-shirt and names his band Milk Bottle? The stakes are low. The results are soon forgotten.

But is Miranda July the archenemy of seriousness?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/magazine/the-make-believer.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

i thought that was an interesting article, & i liked her stated investment in sincerity at the end. seem to recall it was written very strangely though, as if the interviewer had followed july around and expressly asked how everything they came across informed her artistic development - very literal & analytical, especially the family stuff

Back and forth.Forever.― aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, September 3, 2005 9:56 PM (5 years ago)

The writer, director and star of "The Future," performance/conceptual-artist-turned-filmmaker July, is making her second feature here, following up her unusual and somewhat affecting 2005 film "You and Me and Everyone We Know." But feature writers and critics are already talking about her as if she's a pretty big deal, and a pretty divisive big deal at that. Apparently, she infuriates certain film enthusiasts on account of her making twee accounts of really pale semi-bohemians who sit around listening to NPR and have classic affected problems that pale people like. And apparently, said detractors are mostly themselves rather pale and affected, and the whole anti-Miranda rap is a self-hatred thing that wouldn't necessarily be mitigated if July were to go out and get her butt shot while making a picture about the problems of people living in Sudan. Now, I have some real problems with July's work, but the fact that she makes art about people somewhat like her isn't something that sends me into an apoplectic rage.

Glenn Kenny on The Future

She said she thinks she's "punk" for keeping all those voiceovers from a clinically depressed, mortally wounded cat in her new movie.

a ban on serious writers using "haters" in a story.

haha for real. esp in scare quotes!

i still like Miranda July and think her art is better presented and constructed than a lot of art that appears to be similar and has no effect on me. July has an effect, plus affect...

Favorite parts of this were the meeting on the bench and the 'Fuck' breakdown in the car

Wes Anderson-quoting

ah yeah. all those classic lines from 'the life aquatic' people are forever quoting at each other.

The Future - Official Trailer (HD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2FuwJh8DSs

I was thinking "I kinda want to see this" for the whole first :12

i'll see it no matter what complaints i hear about it beforehand.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_QAaLFAJn2V6ZMNOeV0NiX6q3LqKOsu3w0bYu311VkpiIRy4dfA

i havent seen this movie, but

isnt there some 80s synth pop song with a lyric in it kinda like the movie title? this was really bugging me recently. i can hear the english, foppish singer's voice in my head but the lyrics are muddy... i cant find it on google... no im not talking about the band with the movie's name!!!!!!!

there's that cut copy song..?

no nevermind, why'd i even ask

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Melt_with_You ??

u are probably into the jason mraz cover versh

im just gonna stare at soft rock playlists until i figure it out

also hdu

Just watched the clip. I guess every generation needs their own Thirtysomething.

i don't know that she is so much concerned with what it's like to be thirty as what it's like to be a bit batty. i am a bit batty myself (not in an overt underpants on my head kind of way but i have foibles i've had to accept) and i appreciate her kindly take on things, and i like how she understands the joy of nonsense. and i like what i've read of her writing, which is not very much.

I don't know, seemed to have that yuppie-with-problems vibe to it. I wanted to smack the characters around a little after watching that clip, but this type of stuff is pretty much everything I don't like in movies.

I have a friend whose nutty like Miranda July, but she's also evil, so it's fun. This lady seems like an oblivious kook.

the song i was thinking of, was motherfucking DANCE HALL DAYS by wang ass chung

i was thinking of the part where the dude is like

When I
You
and everyone we knew

etc

just updatin yall

dope re-edit of dance hall days:

http://soundcloud.com/psychemagik/dance-hall-days-psychemagiks-leg-warmer-edit

dang that owns

Going to see her movie at the Arclight today, with a Q&A afterwards.

Unsatisfying movie, mostly because a few threads at the start of the movie never come back or are resolved. Still, some great parts to it. The hair-dryer old guy is very reminiscent of the non-actors in Last Days. The cat storyline is weirdly derivative of Malick, both in content and underscoring. New guy isn't as good as John Hawkes.

ha i feel like seeing john hawkes in the trailer for this would make me want to see it but otherwise its pretty repellent

i like her writing more than I liked the movie, certainly. I'd watch a second film.

but I watch anything. I complain about it later, but I rarely avoid things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOiGczgzEZs

wang chung > anything miranda july's ever done

otm

Who are your fans?

I meet women who have grown up with me like we're marching along through the same issues. A lot of young gay men, which I love, that's sort of the core constituency, then I've gotten the demographics: somehow they can tell you who's going to your website, broken down by age and gender, and I was really happy that the 45-55 set was almost as solid as the early 20s.

feels like this is where you draw the line between friend and foe

the future is very shit

I like Dance Hall Days

and Fire in the Twilight !!!

Who the hell is Miranda July. I have no idea who this broad is

i really liked this new movie

Back and forth.Forever.
― aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, September 3, 2005 9:56 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.criterion.com/films/29112-me-and-you-and-everyone-we-know

Etsy-shopping, Wes Anderson-quoting, McSweeney’s-reading, coastal-living

Best Nirvana T-shirt.

not a fan of that cover

Forever

sounds like Miranda July did a variation of this IRL

Before she met Mills, July dated the director Miguel Arteta, whom she met through the Sundance labs. She pinpoints the end of that relationship to a day when she had to use the bathroom badly. “He was in the bathroom,” she explains. “From my point of view, I really had to shit in a pressing way, and half because of that need and half to be funny, I shit in a frying pan. When he came out, I plopped it in the toilet and flushed it and went to wash the pan very matter-of-factly.” She continues, “But he saw it, and to him, that was like, This is over. That’s how he described it to me at the time.”