Things That Make You Feel Normal Again (Antidotes To Terror)

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1) The predictability of UK newsreaders - John Snow shouting at people on the C4 news while Trevor MacDonald was grandfatherly reassuring

2) Sailing over Waterloo Bridge in a bus ("and I don't feel afraid, as long as I gaze on Waterloo Sunset, I am in paradise")

(I could think of more this morning, but I was traumatised by the busride.)

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

Flanders and Swann, atransport of delight was the song that sprung to mind this morning.

Ed (dali), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

I can't get Inspiral Carpets out of my head now. "This is how it feels to be lonely, this is how it feels to be small, this is how it feels when your life means nothing at all."

3) Queues of Routemasters, with their tops ON crawling like ladybirds over Streatham Hill

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

4) Reports of "Crime Scene Investigation" in Russell Square and reassuring mental images that some wry, hardened, English Grissom will catch whoever is responsible.

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)

I too was thinking that I really really wanted a Grissom or Kane to come and take charge and make everything ok again.

Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:40 (twenty years ago)

None of our US newsreaders have the ability to reassure. At work today, a TV was on, muted, with Tucker "Fuckhead" Carlson bleating silently to a "terrorism expert", I wanted to shoot the TV's lights out.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:40 (twenty years ago)

Blair and especially Bush made me so angry I was shouting at the television.

At least we had Livingstone acting like a human being, he made me think that someone in power had a lick of sense, compassion, and might actually be in control.

5) Ken Livingstone

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

On the Channel 4 news last night, there was a section where John said something along the lines of "Who could be behind this....Tony Blair [etc]", but the pause and mention of Tony made me laugh out loud.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:49 (twenty years ago)

Sky News caption on two lines. First line: Jack Straw: Attacks Bear

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

To be honest my answer to this is going to be "a great big pint of lager".

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

(OK, I do have to admit that "two glasses of merlot" was the answer last night, but that's not really an option in the office this morning.)

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

A bottle of wine & lots of hugs worked for me.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

Going to a free gig organised because Architecture In Helsinki were trapped in London. Plus they were offering pint & a half for the price of a pint as way of compensation, despite the fact the gig's being reorganised...

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)

Getting on the bus this morning and seeing all the regular passengers getting on along the way helped to normalise things somewhat.

I will do my usual Friday evening after-work shopping therapy in the West End and that may also prove reassuring.

But until we hear news from/about Liz, things will not really be normal.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

After the news last night, I watched Elephant Diaries, and was reassured that the world can still be good and beautiful when such animals exist.

sgs (sgs), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

I couldn't watch normal TV last night. I tried to watch a bit of Time Team, but they mentioned Boudica (first terrorist attack on London, innit?) and freaked out and turned back to the news.

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

But until we hear news from/about Liz, things will not really be normal.
OTM.

X-post

SGS - I was in tears watching that last night, it's too sad. I then proceeded to watch "Desperate Midwives" which made me cry even more.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:11 (twenty years ago)

SGS yes to elephant diaries! Except then they all got rabies!! :(

And like Marcello I found it hard to look at any other thread on ILX last night and this morning except, weirdly, the SNAILS one.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:11 (twenty years ago)

Listening to Marcus Trescothick and Michael Vaughan smash the Aussies around in the One Day International.

This Liz thing is hugely concerning, I feel like there's more we could be doing but I doubt there is. I'm sure Rob is doing everything possible.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

Ava puking on me post-feed last night was very normalising.

But actually, things have become far less normal since it happened.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

I am scared out of my mind for Liz.

But trying very hard not to panic or freak out, because honestly, what good does that do? All I can do is hope that she is OK.

I still haven't heard from Joe, either, despite going round to his house, and also leaving a message on his ansaphone. I don't know if he hasn't rung me because he is injured or dead, or if he's out of town, or if won't actually let me know he's OK because of all the badness between us.

So what can I do? Only try to stay as calm and as normal as possible, despite the death and devastation around us.

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

Since the club tonight has been cancelled, does anyone fancy a quiet pint around Holborn or Bloomsbury tonight? (I'm not sure how much of Bloomsbury is open, tho.) Even Covent Garden?

I'm not sure I feel like being alone tonight.

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't mind a drink tonight.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

I would suggest Freemasons Arms?

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

People usually put the badness behind them in this kind of situ Kate. J spoke to his dad yesterday even though they hadn't spoken for ages under bad circumstances.
Wish I could meet up for a drink with you Kate. I have this overwhelming urge to give all London Ilxors a massive hug.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

People usually put the badness behind them in this kind of situ Kate.

Well, I tried.

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't mind a drink tonight either, but I'm not sure Kate wants me in the same room as her at the moment...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

i think i'll need a drink tonite as well.

i think i need one now actually

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)

Again I say "People usually put the badness behind them in this kind of situ"

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

Let's just draw a truce for tonight, Marcello. I won't Try It if you won't Try It. ;-) I think we could all do with a drink and some human contact and reassurance.

I'll be at the Freemasons Arms on Long Acre - kitty corner from the Freemasons Hall - if anyone wants to join me. (Provided it is not too full of Freemasons.)

x-post

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

4) Reports of "Crime Scene Investigation" in Russell Square and reassuring mental images that some wry, hardened, English Grissom will catch whoever is responsible.

yeah i like this one!

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

One of my friends posting on the radiohead board about cordons in Bloomsbury - " all the way down by international hall on the other side of the brunswick, a block past connaught towards TCR, and up to the church by Euston".

She lives between Tavistock Place and Russell Square and is understandably freaked out.

leigh (leigh), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

OK Kate, truce it is. I pledge not to Try It :-)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

An unexpected cornetto made me feel quite normal last night.

Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

The knowledge that I have just faxed MI6 a copy of Jack Bauer. I got connections.

LeCoq (LeCoq), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

To clarify: the fax paper is immersed in a solution of [classified], with Mr. Bauer emerging from the 'bath' in nude, but fully functional form. I based this technology on the 'just-add-water' toy dinosaurs at Science World, and am confident it should solve all your problems.

LeCoq (LeCoq), Friday, 8 July 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

I don't even know what number we're up to, but...

-Free cheese and pickle sandwiches for everyone who made it into the office today!

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

cheese and pickle? blech
if it was REAL pickles maybe...

dahlin (dahlin), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

Cheese and Pickle sandwiches make me PROUD TO BE BRITISH!!!

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

My best mate wants to meet for a pint at lunchtime. That's helping a bit. Still feeling very far from normal though.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

Maybe the thread should have been titled "help you feel" rather than "make you feel". Ah well, too late to change it.

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

hurrah! i hope they were on slightly damp white sliced bread?

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Yes, they were. All I needed was some warm bitter...

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

"Test Match Special" on Radio 4 yesterday with Graham "Foxy" Fowler being all cheeky in his Lancashire burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

http://www.lnreview.co.uk/news/005167.php

this doesn't make me feel more normal but it does make me feel a bit better, and quite proud of the city.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 8 July 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

more here
denial through mundanity

ken c (ken c), Friday, 8 July 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

In other news, Joe finally emailed to say that he was OK, that he had been out of town at the time of the bombing.

He asked in his reply if I was alright - obviously I am alive, since I rang him. But I'm not sure if I want to open a dialogue by responding. (Though obviously this is another topic and another thread.)

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

Kate - I think you should reply.

Back to the thread in hand, I just looked out of the window at work & saw rabbits playing in the grounds & I smiled for a moment. Then I came back to ILX & feel overwhelmingly sad again.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Friday, 8 July 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

Taking a rest from news reports for a while...I really think continuous news reports are bad for mental health.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 8 July 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

we've just completed on moving into a house/flat. emma has the keys and has had a walk around the now empty flat. we move in tomorrow.

Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 8 July 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

glad that went well Alan!

Roisin Murphy album taking my mind off things a little now.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm losing myself in really complicated coding right now:

DECODE(SUBSTR(A.PLTYPE,1,1),'X',GCD,0),
DECODE(SUBSTR(A.PLTYPE,1,1),'X',0,GCD) BZW_COMM,

Who are these FEES and PROCS and COMMS and why do they need so much decoding?

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

On the top deck of the bus this morning I was listening to "Dark Magus" by Miles Davis - dark, glowering, paranoid, suffocating sorta music, i.e., totally inappropriate!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

On the bus this morning I was listening to "Homage To Charles Parker" by George Lewis - an eerily still electro-improv threnody. It seemed to match the general grey and uncertain tenor of a stunned London the morning after.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

I found a Prefab Sprout CD I thought I'd lost in my cupboard and have been playing that. It's doing the job, so far.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

... I meant totally inappropriate to lightening my mood!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

i am immersed in simple boring but lengthy code (well it's script i suppose, not code) at the mo :-(

Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

oH NO! cARTESIAN jOIN, OH NO!!!

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

I am watching Tony Hancock's "The Rebel" on the telly, it's intermittently great.

Tony: "I don't belong to the realist school of art, I'm an impressionist!"
Irene Handl: "Well it don't impress me!"

JimD (JimD), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

i have just been playing the saddest record i know = "jit jive" by the bhundu boys

mark s (mark s), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

I'm sort of working on a 2005 mix but really just listening to a whole bunch of new stuff obtained via slsk, and getting really hungry...

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

I have solved my horrible Cartesian Join problem - and my boss said I sounded "far too happy". But when I told her "I've solved my Cartesian Join problem!" she got all disturbed, thinking that it was some medical problem I had solved while sitting at my computer! Ha ha!

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

Not having an eerily still electro-improv threnody to hand, I am relying on Young Marble Giants. It's helping.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

presumably omitting "final day"?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

http://www.lnreview.co.uk/news/005167.php

Hands up: who heard Christopher Ecclestone when reading this? Yes I know he's from A North, but still.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

What the fuck do you think you're doing?

This is The Earth. We've dealt with your sort before. You don't try and pull this on us.

Do you have any idea how many times our planet has been attacked? Whatever you're trying to do, it's not going to work.

All you've done is end some of our lives, and ruin some more. How is that going to help you? You don't get rewarded for this kind of crap.

And if, as your MO indicates, you're DALEKS, then you're out of your tiny minds.

Because if this is a message to THE SUPREME DALEK, we've got news for you. We don't much like our government ourselves, or what they do in our name. But, listen very clearly. We'll deal with that ourselves. We're Earth, and we've got our own way of doing things, and it doesn't involve tossing bombs around where innocent people are going about their lives.

And that's because we're better than you. Everyone is better than you. Our planet works. We rather like it. And we're going to go about our lives. We're going to take care of the lives you ruined. And then we're going to work. And we're going down the pub.

So you can pack up your bombs, put them in your arseholes, and get the fuck out of our planet.

Rose, I'm coming to get you...

Yeah, eiriely similar, isn't it?

MIS Information (kate), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Except on DW it's guns go in arseholes, not bombs.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 July 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

You know Marcello, you've just reminded me, I dreamt about you last night. Which is obviously pretty weird, given that we've never met. (And would arguably be pretty weird even if we had). I was at All Tomorrow's Parties, and wandered into a random chalet, and found you sat in a big armchair in front of a roaring fire. In the dream you looked about 25, and had shoulder length brown hair, which I assume is unrealistic. And I said "hey marcello (which I pronounced "mar-chello" and then instantly felt unsure about), what do you know about Gang of Four?" And you replied "Nothing really, I was never a fan...", but then you launched into a long lecture about various other post-punk bands, and it was great!

I expect I've just been reading too much of the Simon Reynolds book.

JimD (JimD), Friday, 8 July 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

> Tony: "I don't belong to the realist school of art, I'm an impressionist!"
> Irene Handl: "Well it don't impress me!"

spoilers! oh no!

(set the video before leaving for work this morning. hopefully it hasn't been pre-empted by more bad news.)

koogs (koogs), Friday, 8 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

whatever you do, do not watch 'my life without me.' ack! half a box of tissues later...

dahlin (dahlin), Friday, 8 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

I think going for a really long walk, like 8 or 9 miles, on my own will make me feel like the world's still there - and I guess that's what I'll do tomorrow - just keep walking. I've felt pretty, just hmmm, sickly today, partly because I hadn't heard from a friend of mine who works in the city, not the affected area, but it's okay as I've heard from them just now. In a few days I'll call my best friend, and we'll mention yesterday in passing, and then talk about the stuff we usually talk about and that'll be good.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

> I think going for a really long walk, like 8 or 9 miles, on my own will make me feel like the world's still there

you could walk to the Blue Posts tomorrow for about 2:30.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Listening to the Chems' "Hold Tight London," which I half-dismissed in a review as sounding "like a 10-year-old IBM Aptiva commercial" and now feels like balm: "Don't worry, nothing can go wrong."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

more elephant-watching atm...rabies apparently can be vaccinated, and now the keepers are playing football with them!

sgs (sgs), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

http://www.columbia.edu/~alk2102/images/winnas2.jpg

TOMBOT, Friday, 8 July 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

I choose to think about this

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 9 July 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Because if this is a message to Saddam Hussein, we've got news for you. We don't much like our government ourselves, or what they do in our name. But, listen very clearly. We'll deal with that ourselves. We're Iraqis, and we've got our own way of doing things, and it doesn't involve tossing bombs around where innocent people are going about their lives.

frankiemachine, Saturday, 9 July 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, off-topic and not meant to be as glib as it may appear. I'm not trying to make crude political points, but I keep thinking of these sorts of comparisons, and how even those of us who opposed the war now may have to acknowledge that we've been shocked into a deeper understanding of the horror of it.

frankiemachine, Saturday, 9 July 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

When your friends make the most spectacular arses of themselves in the most endearing way.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 9 July 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

I'm having a hard time feeling normal. But I don't think I want to right now.

beanz (beanz), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Nothing endearing about making an arse of yourself. :-(

MIS Information (kate), Saturday, 9 July 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

http://tinyurl.com/cbumy

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Sunday, 10 July 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)

Hanging out the washing in the sunshine this morning, making sure everything was really neatly pegged, was a good feeling.

Mädchen (Madchen), Sunday, 10 July 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

Friday, WFMU was the tonic. Yesterday, nothing much until I got to hold my two-day-old nephew. Today...we'll see.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

Dancing with friends to Madonna and The Police and Dot to Dot and drinking and having fun last night. Getting my hair cut - nothing like being pampered. This afternoon I have the house to myself and I plan to lie in a hot bubbly bath with a glass of Rioja and a face pack and the Sunday papers.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 10 July 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

I nearly jumped out of my skin when I saw a fire engine go past me in Greenwich at quite a rate. A couple of minutes later I saw the firemen breaking into one of those toilet capsule things. They got the door open and a small child walked out, looking very excited about the whole thing. People cheered.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Aww

beanz (beanz), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

http://www.lnreview.co.uk/news/005167.php

this doesn't make me feel more normal but it does make me feel a bit better, and quite proud of the city.

Having written that diatribe (and not really being able to remember writing it, and not normally being someone of much Fellow Feeling), it makes me feel much better that it might have made anyone feel a bit better.


So you can pack up your bombs, put them in your arseholes, and get the fuck out of our planet.

Rose, I'm coming to get you...

I see what you mean! cf this: "It's hard to panic the British. They've dealt with the Blitz, the IRA, the Silurians, the Zarbi, the Daleks, the Cybermen..."


We're Iraqis, and we've got our own way of doing things, and it doesn't involve tossing bombs around where innocent people are going about their lives.

And, of course, I wasn't talking to the Iraqis, and if they said this, they wouldn't be talking to us. Citizens are citizens. Oh, it's that damn Fellow Feeing again.

Hope everyone here is okay, and that good news is posted very soon.

A.C.M.E. (A.C.M.E.), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Dude, half an hour earlier I saw a Staffordshire bull terrier wearing a bowler hat and dribbling a football with its nose. Tweeness is helping.

(xpost - I've felt very proud of the way people have pulled together in the last couple of days. Like everyone realised the best way to get through all this is not to leave anyone alone).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Tom, the street Midge Ure look is not good.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Great big roast chicken.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 10 July 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I just had a great big roast chicken with potatoes, garlic, shallots and carrots all done in the roasting tin and some buttered cabbage on the side and another bottle of red wine has been opened.

I'm just about to go and get a bowl of icecream and pour some alcohol of some description on it. Baileys or Cointreau usually works.

Food, especially proper Sunday dinners, are the best thing ever when you need normality.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 10 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Not really feeling back to normal yet, but having strong drinks for the past 4 nights at home, bicyling to Stoke Newington, sitting in a garden in the sunlight and talking to friends has made me feel less horrible. I hope everyone else here is feeling at least OK.

marianna, Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Beer and political argument, not making me feel normal, or better, but it's how I'm working through things.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Walking around the poshest, leafiest bit of Camberwell and spotting perhaps the most twee road in London:

http://photos22.flickr.com/24991967_343faeb1a7.jpg

(but, no, there is no normal)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

There is very little normal. Singing helps. Having friends around.

It felt really, really weird having to get onstage and do a show and pretend to be HAPPY HAPPY GIRLY BOUNCY when the last thing you feel is happy or bouncy. We dedicated our prettiest song to Liz and Rob. Corny, I know, but what else can you do?

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 07:03 (twenty years ago)

i haven't really been "in" london since the horribleness kicked off. we left mid-morning thurs for a wedding, i was dropped off at finsbury park on friday afternoon then made a quick tube bolt down to euston from where i went straight to manchester, then this morning came into paddington and went straight to brixton by tube. haven't seen any of the chaos in these places i know so well and love so much apart from on tv screens and in newspapers, and having spent about 15 hours over the last 5 days in trains and cars speeding through parts of the uk that are not london, miles and miles of empty, perfect fields and valleys, the sleepy unruffled prettiness of the manchester-cardiff route on a train that stops everywhere winding down through cheshire, north wales, shropshire, mid-wales being the most vivid example, i'm finding it still a bit unreal, thoroughly nightmarish in every sense, worse since i heard liz is missing. um, yes, this is about feeling better. kate i think yr otm about buses over waterloo bridge, crossing any of london's bridges always gives me a sense of rightness, and are there plans for any pubbing tonight please?

emsk, Monday, 11 July 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm meeting Forest Pines for a swift drink after work in the Holborn/Strand area, but I don't know how late I'll be out tonight (see the Horrible Neighbours thread for why). Will email you.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

it'll be a new normal, not the same normal.

i went to cambridge on friday night, which i was doing anyway, for the film festival. it meant going through KC which i didn't enjoy much. on the way back, i jumped off at finsbury park. i'm dazed, being back in central london. going away was good, but not long after i got back, i had to switch the tv back on, and check ilx, and felt like shit again. i don't feel normal, but i'm going to the cinema this evening, doing what i would normally do.

N_RQ, Monday, 11 July 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

DJing at Unpop in Brighton helped. Being able to throw myself completely into something totally unrelated to any of this.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 11 July 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

work is definitely not a balm, especially when the job in question is at a newspaper with 24 news station broadcasts blaring directly overhead and wire stories being pumped directly onto my screen. but today one of my colleagues - the biggest harry potter fan i know - was told she has been given an exclusive press pass to the magical transformation of edinburgh castle to hogwarts/book launch spectacular on friday. she was literally jumping about, screaming. it was wonderful.
hugs are also good. i wish i could hug you all. i'm good at it.

dahlin (dahlin), Monday, 11 July 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Talking shallow b0ll0cks and the odd bit of work is getting me through, just about. See recently started CSI thread for example.

That and chips and beans.

it's all rubbish,really.

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Watching (and laughing at) goofy movies like The Fantastic Four.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Love the fact that Lex DJed at a night called UNpop.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

I am plotting our work charity stuff for the rest of the year, which is proving helpful as it makes me feel I'm doing *some* good for someone somewhere. If anyone can think of any absurd corporate OrgaFun which might get market researchers to put their hands in their pockets ("It reLIEVES their CONscience...") feel free to suggest.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Cuddling my newborn baby godson helped no end on Saturday.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Seeing the chimp on Reuters has not helped at all. I curse the new reuters box we have.

Ed (dali), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

At the risk of making you all feel self-conscious, I just wanted to say that I was quite moved just now reading this thread. Somehow witnessing the quiet resilience of people in the face of terrible events can hit home in a way that live video feeds and news coverage can't. I don't know what else to say, but hang in there.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Bizarrely: the second Tindersticks album and a mountain of braingrinding code to dash off.

RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

Nate, that's a lovely thing to say. Thank you (on behalf of us all, as far as I can make such a statement).

I know that during America's Next Top Model tonight I will, for just under an hour, feel as normal as I can imagine feeling right now. Unless Lluvy gets voted out (PLEASE NO SPOILERS!)

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

That blog link posted up there is great:

"We took on the Romans, the Saxons, the Danes, the French, William Wallace, the Black Plague, the Roundheads, the Great Fire, Napoleon, the Nazis, and the Blitz, and we're still here. You terrorists are bloody amateurs."

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

I read that as "a mountain of braingrinding coke"

"Steady on, Rick" I thought.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

ew, mark! you like lluvy?? she looks like she was the result of lab cross-breeding between liza minelli and a giant trout.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

can i just add that i'm mortified that my first post to this thread was something so inane?

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Love the fact that Lex DJed at a night called UNpop.

I was told afterwards that I was one of the only guest DJs to get that it was unpop not anti-pop; setlist's on my blog.

I couldn't listen to any music with vocals for the first couple of days: Ellen Allien and Thomas Tallis helped, then the Pet Shop Boys on loop since then.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

I am finding the new Brian Eno album quite comforting, in the way that hymns can sometimes be.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

There was a bus evacuation while we were in the pub last night. The whole of the Strand and Waterloo Bridge was closed off. Like an idiot, I went downstairs, out on the street to look. There was a bus parked outside Somerset House surrounded by fire engines and the bomb squad. Someone left a bag of shopping on the bus by accident, so the whole neighbourhood shut down.

I don't know if this is calming (that they are taking everything so seriously) or scary (because we were all just joking about it in that sick black humour sort of way). It's getting to the point where it just seems normal.

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

This is from a Guardian Article about Woburn Place/Southampton Row:

One of the most important moments in human history happened in this street, on September 12 1933. The Hungarian physicist Leo Szilard was standing waiting for a light to change at the point where Southampton Row becomes Russell Square. That morning, the papers had reported a British Association speech by Ernest Rutherford, concerning the splitting of atomic nuclei. The 33-year-old Szilard, a friend and colleague of Einstein's - they had patented an unusable but ingenious new kind of magnet-powered fridge - had been thinking deeply on the subject.

When the green signal came and Slizard moved, something about that moment of stepping off the kerb put an idea into his head: what would happen if neutrons were smashed into the nuclei of atoms in a way that released two neutrons from the second atom? You would get two neutrons for the price of one, and if those two neutrons did the same, then you'd have four, and then four for eight, and so on, and very quickly "it might be possible to set up a nuclear chain reaction, liberate energy on an industrial scale, and construct atomic bombs". And all this came to Szilard in one blinding revelation, as he crossed Southampton Row, the street where the atom bomb was born. Whoever it was planted that bomb on the number 30 bus had a terrible idea, one designed to bring nothing but grief. But their visions, however dark, are not as dark as some things that have already come to the world from Southampton Row.

I love that story. I used to cross that traffic light every day, and think about it while I went to do my shopping.

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

I must admit, being drunk (or stoned) since Thursday has kept me half sane. I am not ready to feel normal yet. It feels odd how things are just carrying on. I know they have to, but it seems so harsh.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

I swing back and forth between just wanting to carry on and have everything be as normal as humanly possible - and then freaking out and wanting to shout at people HOW CAN YOU JUST GO ON ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING IS OK?!?!?

I'm posting all this stuff more to reassure myself than anything else.

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

that's a very kind thing you said, nate, and all of usilx has been amazing too. i know i shudder now at how unsympathetic many brits were after 9/11. the new statesman, to which i was then a subscriber, said that people who worked in financial services had it coming! high-level politics politics got confused with basic solidarity, which was a terrible mistake.

N_RQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 08:03 (twenty years ago)

amazing, or silent.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

Terrible mistake? Hein?

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm not having a go at anyone, but please, this is a thread for *emotional* reactions, not for political analysis etc. and I'd really prefer if it didn't turn into one.

I'm having a really hard time recconciling the seemingly conflicting ideas of political reaction, and refusing to let terror affect my life and beliefs, with the personal reaction of fear and concern and the gaping hole in our lives caused by a friend just going "missing".

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 08:30 (twenty years ago)

[dave -- i just meant the new statesman made a terrible mistake by blaming the victims.]

kate otm, sorry.

N_RQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

I swing back and forth between just wanting to carry on and have everything be as normal as humanly possible - and then freaking out and wanting to shout at people HOW CAN YOU JUST GO ON ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING IS OK?!?!?

How much of this do you reckon is "Stop acting normal! My friend is missing!" and how much is "Stop acting normal! Things Have Changed!". The first might be a normal reaction on your part to things, but obviously isn't going to affect how most people feel. As regards the second, presumably many of these people were here (sorry, there)during the IRA campaign, and have some practice with life after this.

One of the I-can't-decide-if-it's-terrible-or-great things about people is that they can push away things that should by right dominate their thoughts. I went out on Saturday night. I had fun. I forgot about Elizabeth Daplyn for stretches of time (granted I forgot my name for one of these). I'm not particularly "proud" of that, but I was grateful for it at the time.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 08:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm actually quite impressed by the ability of people to carry on as normal (on the surface at least).

I constantly forget that not EVERYONE knows someone missing (and indeed how relatively few people really are affected in this way), so there have been moments where I've been bemused at the sight of other people having fun. Not to say there haven't been moments where I've laughed over the last few days, and genuine laughter at that, though inevitably followed by an aftertaste of guilt.

Anyway, I've been watching a lot of Scrubs, and not even minding JD's crappy sentimental narration half as much as usual.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

How much of this do you reckon is "Stop acting normal! My friend is missing!" and how much is "Stop acting normal! Things Have Changed!".

It's the former. It's very much the former.

I have moments where I manage to forget everything and have a good time, and then it's almost like I feel *guilty* for being able to.

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

"I swing back and forth between just wanting to carry on and have everything be as normal as humanly possible - and then freaking out and wanting to shout at people HOW CAN YOU JUST GO ON ACTING LIKE EVERYTHING IS OK?!?!?"

How much of this do you reckon is "Stop acting normal! My friend is missing!" and how much is "Stop acting normal! Things Have Changed!".

i never met liz, though i knew her from ilx and it is agonizing, and i identify with the oscillation -- and i think it is partly a matter of 'things changing'. why this is different from the ira is also why you can't entirely separate the personal from the political. i don't think people who seem to be getting on with it are really unaffected by it, i'm sure everyone in london at least is more scared than they were. you act normal so you might feel normal, but i don't think anyone feels normal yet.

Henry K M (Enrique), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

DJing at Unpop in Brighton helped. Being able to throw myself completely into something totally unrelated to any of this.
-- The Lex

Yeah, I've never been more grateful for having a shed load of work to do this weekend. That involved getting the hell out of London. And enjoyable and physical work at that.I never thought chasing mid-level indie musicians around a Scotish field with a microphone could be soothing, but there you go. Crumbled when New Order dedicated Atmosphere (my favourite Joy Division song) to the people of London, but I got hugs from random festival goers "don't cry lassie, people keep going."

I too keep putting it out of my mind and then feelng terrible.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

The title of this thread has become a bit of a misnomer at this point. It's not things that make any of us feel normal, it's just emotional reactions to the events of last week. I guess.

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:18 (twenty years ago)

That said, probably the thing that makes me feel most "normal" is my usual, endless, emotional self-examination and over-analysis of events and circumstances.

So maybe the title is still appropriate. :-|

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

all of the threads, from the nominally political to this one, are about emotional reactions at this stage. no-one is feeling normal, i don't think, and no-one has found an antidote to terror (that might be one for the politics threads).

N_RQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

That said, probably the thing that makes me feel most "normal" is my usual, endless, emotional self-examination and over-analysis of events and circumstances.

Ha, OTM! If ever I wanted to turn off the distanced auto-blogger in my skull, now's the time. No chance tho.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

Hurriedly going through 5,000 pages of HG Wells legal documents and correspondence is about as normal as it gets, since we've decided normal doesn't have to be fun. So my answer (for today anyway) is deadlines.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

i know we've discussed this before, but I'm rubbish at remembering things. what is it exactly you do again?

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

I am on deadlines too, having surfed massively at the end of last week - it was just plain impossible to focus because of a range of emotions. Also, the assigned fashion/style topics seemed frivolous under the circumstances.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

Yes Suzy. I've never felt more shallow.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

what makes me feel normal is a sense that i have things under control. when i'm anxious, i turn into a control freak, and when there's stuff that i have no way of being able to control, it makes me even more anxious (and scared). and i need to restore whatever order i can to feel normal.

president carter loves repetition (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

(Markelby: I spotted your family name in the copyright notice on a Tennessee Williams poem reproduced in some Thomas Ades sleeve notes the other night; "Wow," I thought.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

Seeing photos of friends in other parts of the world doing normal things has been good. Great set of photo booth shots of a new york friend of mine and some grizzled old gay guy.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

Normally such photos just make me think everyone else is having more fun than me.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

My Deadline was on Friday - I'm not sure what I'd have done without it. I'm treading water at the moment, and eating chocolate. Chocolate wasn't normal before - I'd got into a really good fruit and veg habit - but it sure helps things just now.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

uh oh! don't slip on the fruit and veg madchen! unless i'm invited to partake in the aberration of course. i very nearly came over to your house this weekend with a bucket of kfc ;)

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

Too late, already done it! I couldn't finish it and it was a huge anticlimax, but at least that's one more lifetime ambition I can cross off my list.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

and one not worth repeating? too bad.
any other lifelong ambitions i can assist you in achieving?

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

Other childhood ambitions not worthwhile: eating an entire Terry's Chocolate Orange.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

You lie Andrew.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

or an entire batch of raw cake batter. hello, salmonella.

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

It was explained to me (by Liz!) that it was hard going because chocolate is made of caffeine, dark chocolate more so. You can imagine my face as vast sections of my life fell into place.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

An entire Giant Toblerone, I'll give you.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

explained a lot, did it? like what?

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

Oooh, when will you give it to me?

(gah xpost, but Tom, I accept yr offer)

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

Ste, I'm a film/TV agent for writers, directors and estates (hence the HG Wells and Tennessee Williams connections). Considering he's been dead for 60 year, ol' HG is giving me no end of gip*.


*oddly, one of HG's sons was called Gip.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

Giant Toblerones?

Oxford Channel's Danny Cox to thread.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Dealing with English beauraueoeauurrrooooccracy (I can't even spell it) again. I'm trying to reschedule my National Insurance Number appointment. I am just fated never to have one. Sigh. They've just told me that I have to reapply in order to get another appointment.

For £$%^&*@# sake...

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

It occurs to me that "normal" for me would mean gallons of beer and (as established on Saturday) gallons of beer is currently not a sensible option. So things already felt un-normal.

I bought some CDs and a pair of shoes.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

I think buying underwear might help me. Or going to Primark.

Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Tim, I have been told by A Spy that you're looking pretty darn good these days.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

(not that you didn't before, obv)

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

(That was actually one of the few moments of "normality" on Friday night. I told Tim "I'm not being rude, but... you look FANTASTIC!!!" which somewhat puzzled him.)

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

mmmm primark

dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

When I get paid, I'm going comfort shopping at Liberty. OK, that is SOOOO not normal, but it will sure make me feel better.

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Tim does look great these days. Though beneath that cheery exterior beats a poisoner's heart.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

Kate channelling Miss Marple by way of William Morris. Normal service has resumed ;-).

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

He really should have told you about D, shouldn't he?

Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

I think the problem was that I did tell him about D.

Sorry AF. I actually was trying to warn you but I understand that I wasn't making a huge amount of sense, even at that early hour.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

I have to admit culpability. Tim came up to me and by his gabbling and wild gestures I understood that you were planning on drinking a pint of D. "Let him", I cackled.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Also Andrew no-one made you drink the pint in about 20 seconds flat, apart from yourself.

BTW the idea that someone telling me that I look fantastic = "normal" is currently boggling my mind.

You are all very kind.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

What I remember is "What you want do next is..." then it's all static.

Actually, that reminds me I did have an actual mini-breakdown on Sunday. I was walking down to Fopp, thinking about how nice it was that Colette and Toby had given me a bed for the night at short notice and a large Selfridges bag to carry my ridiculously large coat back in, and maybe I should try and get them a small thank you gift, when my vision froze, I stumbled and fell down. People rushed over and were lovely, I picked myself up after a bit and continued on.

The main reason for this is that the last time I was over, for the Poptimism Election special, Liz and Rob were the kind-hearted people at the end of the night. I got a night-bus back with them (I remember Liz had the hiccups, and Rob mentioned that they are so twee that all their most serious fights have been about the right way to cure hiccups), and then they swore at the telly for a while about the Tory gains in London, then they went to bed too late. I had the next day off, so they left my the run of the flat while they went into work, and I thought this was so great I bought a copy of Kiki's Delivery Service and mailed it to them while I was still in town. I don't really know Liz and Rob as well as many of you do, but they are quality people, and that shines through.

So anyway, the entire contents of the previous paragraph all arrived at my head at the same time, hence the falling-over.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

Actually that post is massively inappropriate for this thread, and someone might want to delete it.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it is Andrew. It's good to think positively about people.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

OK, this got lost in the frenzy of news on the other thread, but does anyone feel like going to this, or would it be too corny?

Attend a vigil

A vigil will be held in Trafalgar Square at 6pm on Thursday July 14. The names of the people who died will be read out and poems of remembrance will be recited.

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I could stand it, personally.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Stupid idea, then. Sorry I asked.

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

sorry Kate, but forget corny, I would turn into a snivelling mess, and that's not something that I want to do with hundreds of people standing around

I've found the best thing for me to do to make me feel normal again is stop desperately trying to find the latest on the internet and actually do some work

Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

And unless the news has been wrong they're only going to know the names of a handful of the dead. And no matter how unlikely it is that any of the missing have survived, to read *their* names out along with the dead strikes me as just being wrong.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

It's not a stupid idea - if people didn't find these events comforting or helpful they wouldn't happen. But for me at least they're too large-scale and public.

xpost

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

no, kate, nice idea. i thought the same as mike on saturday afternoon but was ok when i got there. thursday may be a bit tougher though as the focus is different.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

I think I'm going to be turning into a snivelling mess anyway, the moment that I'm alone for any long period of time. Perhaps this is my way of coping but when I actually lose it, I'd like to be with others. Who are also likely to be snivelling messes. I don't know.

MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Not a stupid idea, Kate - I just couldn't deal with it.

(multiple xpost)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

I think the regime of threads and quiet pub meet-ups is likely to continue for a while.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

The vigils after 9/11 were, to me, freaky, unnerving and upsetting, mainly because they descended into chanting 'god bless america'. However if it helps people cope/deal then let people do as they wish.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

I dunno if it makes people feel more normal, but I'm hoping to donate blood for the first time ever next week at Guys Hospital next Monday. It's right near my work, so pretty easy for me to do it on the way home. Anyone else wanna coma along for a FAPOB(fancy a pint of blood)? http://www.blood.co.uk/ is where you can book appointments.

I suppose that I really shouldn't do a FAP immediately afterwards though, even though there are some super great pubs around there, but I gather that I will need a cookie and some orange juice.

marianna, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

plate of liver and onions for strength after?

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Until yesterday I'd kind of made the semi-conscious decision to just try and drift through as close to normal as possible, feel good when I did and feel upset and angry when I did. Without trying to manipulate my emotions in any way (although I've been deliberately avoiding newspapers since Thursday).

Yesterday afternoon that just seemed to change, sitting by the river in the sunshine with a pint and a book and feeling content, then thinking "no need to feel guilty, these moments are a gift, just appreciate them". Then finally thinking how weird it was I had to analyse this, justify it to myself. To me, its not about whether or not you're going round in a cloud of despair or defiance. I doubt I'll feel properly normal until I can view simple pleasures simply again.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

On the other hand, getting really fucked has helped.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

I can't even get drunk at the moment. I just start screaming or crying uncontrollably if I do.

These are things that make me feel extremely NOT normal:

I was on the bus home last night. Around the Oval, a gang of yobs got on, very drunk and shouting about cricket. One of them was dressed as "An Ay-Rab" complete with comedy head-scarf and ridiculous sunglasses. He kept shouting loudly about "ha ha, can you hold a package for me?"

I was debating going up to him and asking him to please refrain from such tasteless and offensive jokes, but instead I just burst into uncontrollable tears.

I know I'm on a hair trigger right now. This morning I tried to be nice to people, stepping out of the way so others could get on the bus who had been waiting longer than me. I'm just trying not to be so tightly wound.

MIS Information (kate), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

jesus, what a dick.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)

This season's edition of Oxfordshire magazine (The official magazine of Oxfordshire County Council) inexplicably has a slightly ropey life-size picture of Brad Pitt's face on the cover. Finding that in my mailbox yesterday cheered me up for two minutes.

grraham (noodles is a cunt), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:35 (twenty years ago)

I was somewhat annoyed by the beginning of Desmond Carrington's programme on Radio 2 last night when he came on all perky and jolly, playing Dolly Parton ("Sweet Summer Lovin'" - great track actually, sounded like Lindsay Buckingham at 78 rpm), but then he effortlessly switched to solemnity and played "London Pride" by the King's Singers, reminding us that Coward was inspired to write the song while standing in Paddington station, looking at the glass roof which had been shattered when the station had been bombed by the Luftwaffe the night before, and watching citizens going about their normal business.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

sgs (sgs), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

http://www.poetrysociety.org.uk/news/norm2.jpg

Henry Normal.

Clive Cordelis, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

The vigils after 9/11 were, to me, freaky, unnerving and upsetting, mainly because they descended into chanting 'god bless america'. However if it helps people cope/deal then let people do as they wish.

ed took the words right out of my mouth. i was relieved there weren't more rallies/vigils/events last weekend, but i guess they're all this weekend. yeah, the 9/11 events really left me with a bad taste in my mouth, so i'll probably stay away (also not wanting to be upset in front of loads of strangers). i guess tom's suggestion of talking about things here, with people in similar emotional states, and having low-key get togethers is probably the best way to feel normal.

andrew, i'm sorry you fell down, i'm glad people were there to help, sounds terrible!

sgs, that picture is so rad.

i wonder if going to see nine inch nails tonight will seem fitting or weird with my mood. hmm.

colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

kate, the vigil is a lovely idea, it sounds calm and uh respectful, i'm not sure i could deal though. if you want to meet up after in the area i think i might not be going to this centrepoint charity gig thing in the church any more but it is in cov gdn so if i can give my ticket to someone else i'll need to be around there anyway...

i can see how some people find work to be irrelevant and flip at a time like this, but for me it's been brilliant. i've spent this week dealing with loads of little bits of things, interviews and mailouts and whatnot, this afternoon immersed in listening to, thinking about and writing a press release for my new favourite band, i've been to/am going to see some gigs, and it's keeping me on a level.

london is being amazing.

emsk, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Emsk, I'm not sure I'm even going to the vigil - like I said, I don't want to go alone. But would like to meet up regardless.

MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 14 July 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

I will happily come and drink, but I'll be giving the vigil a wide berth for reasons mantioned elsewhere.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 14 July 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

OK maybe not happily but you know what I mean.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 14 July 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)

Probably the wrong place to ask, but are you two still planning on riding to Oxford at the weekend? I don't feel much like partying, but I could really do with getting out of town.

Quiet drinks might be in order, though. Not a big gathering because I'm afraid I'll start crying and shouting again like last week.

MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 14 July 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

I'll answer on the oxford thread.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 14 July 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

the bloody victoria line being suspended between seven sisters and walthamstow because of a defective train at Seven Sisters, and then being squashed sardine-like into an overground train, becoming more and more squashed at each stop ('free sauna!' was someone's attempt at wit), and then having the same again on the central line. That made me feel normal again.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 14 July 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

On the various buses between Hampstead and Streatham yesterday teatime I counted seven separate uses of the word "sauna" as a descriptive/comparative term for the heat. By the time of the fourth or fifth I was ready to screech out "GET ONE THESAURUS" but kept my countenance.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 July 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

Some things:

1. Going through my email, and finally getting round to rating my sellers on Amazon.
2. Seeing banal and random things I want to take pictures of, and wishing I hadn't left my camera at home.
3. Walking round the near empty park with my dog.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

Back in the office today, catching up with routine paperwork and so on is taking my mind off things. Every so often, though, I still keep bursting into tears.

Meeting up with a few people in London helped me, too.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

I have been given the option of going on a corporate team building event tomorrow.

Often you'd have to drag me kicking and screaming to such things, but it involves some kind of "1talian Job"-themed treasure hunt type affair around London in minis.

Since I'm being so ineffective at work this week, and since I think I could do with looking at London a little, reminding myself of how and why I love it. I think I might join in. I wonder if that sounds like a terrible idea?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

No, I think it sounds like a good idea. Distracting, if nothing else, and also it is good to remind yourself of the good things about London when London seems a bit scary and threatened right now.

Plus, London Treasure hunts are cool. I've been on some!

MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)

Hey Tim, how are you getting on with the Shirley Collins box set?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm enjoying it very much, thanks! It feels somehow appropriate just now.

The LP which has soundtracked my week, though, has been Alasdair Roberts' "Farewell Sorrow". Extraordinary, at least in parts.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

Talking about music, talking about music.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 14 July 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

today on the way to work i saw a guy on a unicycle, twistiing and pedalling his way along a residential side street. then it started to drizzle with rain, so i took off my glasses and walked blindly along. everything was blurry, i couldn't make out any faces, and it was pretty neat

dahlin (dahlin), Thursday, 14 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

oh, i went skateboarding on sunday for the first time in about ... six months.

one word: sketchy!

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 14 July 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

I hate to say it, but:

Crush of Shame 3: RETURN OF THE LIBIDO!!!

That makes me feel very normal.

MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 14 July 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Tim will find one of Peter Saville's guitar cut-outs.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 14 July 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Going for a walk around the Greenock Cut, a country walk a few miles from my house. We got a bit sunburnt, saw some swallows and hen harriers, and drove home for a bit of roast lamb and a bottle of wine followed by some strawberries and ice cream. It was a lovely day and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Getting out of town, doing normal weekend stuff. You can't beat it.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 17 July 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Listening to Andy Kershaw for the first time in ages. Hearing a cuban Boys John Peel tribute record, sampling the man himself and status quo, and not mentioning the undertones once.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 17 July 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

I am finding the new Brian Eno album quite comforting, in the way that hymns can sometimes be.

-- Jerry the Nipper (jerrythenippe...), July 11th, 2005.

including the last track?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

Right now, escapism is all I can manage.

And insane amounts of rum.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 07:34 (twenty years ago)

In a selfish way I'm rather relieved that I didn't learn the news until this morning, because it was quite a nice (if inevitably tainted) weekend, and knowing on Friday would have cast a horrid pall over all that.

But currently normality is an abstract concept. I'm sitting here at my desk, getting on with the work, but in essence shellshocked.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

I didn't know whether to go on the walk on Sunday or not. I found myself doing the cliched thing of thinking "if Liz were here, what would she say?" and remembering every walk she couldn't make, she would tell us "aw, that sounds great, sorry I can't be there but have a great time." So we did our best.

Oxford was peaceful and lovely and tranquil. Lying by the side of the river, my legs dangling in the river, drinking wine straight out of the bottle, watching the sailboats float by, I felt at peace for the first time all week. It was the right thing to do.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, my Saturday in T&G's back garden in Walthamstow was a bit like that. Very tranquil, almost like retreating to childhood in my parents' garden and it was 1971 again and everyone was still alive and well.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

I can add to that too: yesterday was a day for walking out in the sun, completely alone and completely unrushed. I took my sweet time staring at the sky and feeling like the world was finally an ok place again.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

The Miller family winning Rock Around The Block on saturday with their fine performance of Sir MIx-a-lots "I Like Big Butts", easily trouncing the other family's rub "Loveshack"

Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

Smilin' baby.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

Particularly impressive since the Sir Mix-a-Lot record wasn't even a hit here. Presumably they had to buy the American format lock, stock and barrel, songs included.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

Saturday didn't feel normal by any means (laying flowers in Russell Square) but the massive long walk afterwards was just what I needed. We walked for miles through parts of London that were quiet & empty. Most of the shops were closed & it seemed so fitting.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:29 (twenty years ago)

seeing people turned out to be a bad idea, but it kind of broke the spell.

N_RQ, Monday, 18 July 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)


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