It's Coming! It's Coming! It's In The Trees! The Official ILX *LOST

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A continuation of the Official ILX Season 1 Thread Here:

Is Anyone Anticipating The New T.V. Show LOST? Come On, Anticipate LOST With Me! It's Made By The People Who Made Alias! You All Love Alias, Right? It's Like Lord Of The Flies Meets Survivor Meets Alias Meets E.R. Or Something. Doesn't That Sound Cool? OM

For all things Lost AS IT HAPPENS in real time with 24 Hour ILX Webcams. Pre-show/Mid-show/Post-show updates and highlights for people who live & breathe LOST!

See you back here on the 21st!

(oh yeah, if you search around for it there is also a thread for people who haven't seen the first season, but who want to anticipate the second season or something? I don't know what that one is about. It has something to do with the X-Files or something. And there is also a completely HILARIOUS thread for the Brits who get Lost episodes sent to them via clipper ship months after they air! It's a scream!)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Come anticipate LOST, SECOND SEASON with me

Ahem

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i mentioned that thread up top! have fun with it. This thread is for HARDCORE LOST FANS only. We are thinking of starting our own board.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

ILL?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Why is Scott being a dick to me? I don't understand.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Ah, the return of the Lost thread! Awesome.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

I *am* kinda confused as to why two threads but okay.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry, i just needed more exclamation points and excitement. i feel like the show has earned it. there was no real excitement on that other thread. and my life is very very boring. my excitement for the week:

mon-mailman delivers mail

tues-mailman delivers mail

wed-mailman delivers mail

thurs-mailman delivers mail

fri-mailman delivers mail

sat-mailman delivers mail

sun-waffles!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

where is the mailman, by the way?

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

sun-roffles!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

You're telling me it's in the trees, in the trees...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Maybe if the mail included the season one dvd set, you'd be more excited.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

and kenan, what is the deal with starting a thread to anticipate season 2 when you haven't even finished watching season one??? you better hurry up.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

scott otm. kenan, you haven't even finished the season and you started an anticipation thread for the second one just to get your name on it. scott started the first lost thread, and this seems OFFICIAL to me.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

plus scott's thread title is fucking awesome!

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

alright alright.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

how do you even know what to anticipate? you don't even know about the robots yet! oops....

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps I should ask for the DVD set for Xmas.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

he's anticipating anticipating.

xpost

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

ned, if you wait until xmas, then you'll be in the unfortunate situation of having finished the first season sometime in january, when the second season is still going on, and you will be therefore tortured. buy the dvd set today, watch it before next wednesday.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

and kenan, what is the deal with starting a thread to anticipate season 2 when you haven't even finished watching season one???

I anticipate being done with my sequential Lost orgy around noon tomorrow. But I've seen a lot of it already, just out of order and with no context (the first time), which is awful and shameful and I should have been paying more attention because now I know what happens but it's not as much fun. Which is why I'm anticipating season 2, you see?! I bet you wouldn't be dissing on my thread if it had that cool banner on it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

kenan, you saw an opportunity and you inappropriately jumped on it. you will be hearing from scott's lawyer (me).

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Cutty -- can't, have neither cash nor time. But I am a patient soul (and I learned to stop reading the other thread a long time back, which is why I'm only checking in on the start of this one).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

i posted nuff spoilers for kenan on the other thread anyway ha ha ha

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

anyway, i hope they air the second season in widescreen.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

the fact that a banner was even created for thread #1 necessitates the creation of thread #2.

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

I can't wait

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

(This thread title makes me want to watch Night of the Demon.)

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 16 September 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Scott, is your TV even working? What'll you do if the picture shrinks down to a two-inch horizontal band again? If it's behaving, could you tape LOST for us? The TV here in the KozyShack gets nothing but fuzz and crackle! I'm freaking out! We could watch it over at my Aunt Peggy's house, but then we'd have to keep explaining things to my mother and Aunt Peggy, and they. or at least my mother, would be expressing disapproval, disappointment in our taste, all the disses.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 18 September 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

we could try and tape it. what about tucker? or is he too cool to do something like that? our t.v. is working fine lately. i will cross my fingers. we can't afford to buy a new one right now. if it goes on the fritz we might have to barge in on bob lee. i blame rufus for the t.v. what with all his constant on and off button pushing the little button pushing monster.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 September 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Tucker disapproves of our TV menu as much as any octagenarian. Just you wait. Rufus's TV sabotage is just the beginning. He's trying to save you from yourself.
Tucker drives cab that night. He has no idea of how to program the VCR so it will record later. I always have to run up to his room and press record when Fear Factor comes on. He calls me from the cab. RUN MOM! RUN!!!
I'm gonna ask Chris.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 18 September 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

We might have to go to a motel.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 18 September 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

I am going to have to tape this, I am going to be out tonight. Grr.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

i'll be out tonight too, i'm going to hate watching this when the rest of the world has already. hopefully, it'll be just a clip show of favorite laughs from season one.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

i prob won't get to see this for at least another 2 weeks :(

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

im dying with anticipation. i noticed on the preview i saw last night that inside the hatch it said "quarantine".

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

i just read the godamn episode recap from the premiere party. fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying not to read any spoilers, they kill fun.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

I COULDN'T RESIST.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

It's like you're Locke and spoilers were the hatch.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

Arse, I read them now as well.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Just 5 more minutes! I'm so psyched it started later so I could put Rufus down in time for this.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

3 minutes

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

I suppose, I can expect a torrent, upon rising, tomorrow

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

!!!

― adam (adam), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

ok, so... desmond? did desmond heal sarah? is he...magic?

That was awesome, btw. Everything it needed to be.

― kenan, not julia (julesbdules), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

I really dig Lost. That was way cool. yeah, Desmond, whut da fuck?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

Desmond... the guy who ran with Jack in the stadium, but also the guy who apparently had been underground since possibly the 1970s?! A big WTF!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

desmond has a twin?
can teleport?
a;lsdfkjals;dkfj;alsdkfjl;adksj

????????

― breezy, Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

Who's to say how long he's been under there? He said he was training for a race around the world. Maybe that underground thing goes really really far.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

My hypothesis swung from AI and robots to nuclear launch bunker in like 30 secs.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

My daughter called it (Desmond in the bunker) before the reveal and we were all "no way, you're crazy." To her credit, she doesn't rub it in too hard when we're all wrong.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.johnny-five.com/fanart/7.jpg
QUARANTINE
4 8 15 16 23 42

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

The numbers have heads spinning. I found this on a math site:

"if you look at the numbers in sets of 3's the first 3
4, 8, 15
and the second 3
16, 23,42
now if you add these sets up you will find that they are all divisable by 3, reverse the order and you will also find that they all subtract to the number 3.

now the important bit what dose the number 3 have to do with anything well my thinking is the guy from calgouluie their was 2 of them when they came across the number, hurly came across it by his self or if you want with his mum. the flight number 815 is not divisable by 3 hence from these sets of 3s not addding up we could see that 3 = safty from the numbers. if these numbers mysterious powers are what they are ment to be, why is it that no one on the island has had any REALLY bad luck, the answer is 42, its divisable by 3. my theory is that 3 is safety.

tell me what you think to this theory"

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Those math people shur kant spel.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

I was totally pleased by LOST tonight, but then, I'm totally pleased by almost anything. The Desmond thing was great. Either an astral traveler, or, yeah, really big tunnel. Jack can demand an explanation, but then there'd be no point to the show, so they'll probably just kill off Desmond like they killed off Ethan Rom, before anyone can put the thumbscrews to him, so LOST can remain the guessing game we all know and love.
I'm planning to become a faithful watcher of INVASION too, even if that little girl is annoying. I thought they were going to cast against type and have the hatchet-faced cop be a good guy, but noooo, he's the alien transformation coach. I forget the actor's name. He's in everything.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

My daughter called it (Desmond in the bunker) before the reveal

So did I, actually. I said, "That's the guy in the hatch!" I even have a witness.

― kenan, not julia (julesbdules), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

i was watching the new cbs show threshold the other nite, and scary ethan played a character who becomes infested with an alien and he gets away from the good guys by jumping in the ocean out at sea, and all i kept thinking was that he was gonna swim to lost island and that the answer to everything on lost was a cbs show that hadn't even aired when lost started and then i knew i was crazy. i think i'm gonna have to watch threshold and invasion.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

I wanted to see that show!!! Damn this cabin with its nonfunctioning TV. There's a limit to how many shows I can go over to my aunt's house to watch. She'll worry about me. But we'll be back home for the second Threshold.
I should have guessed it about Desmond on Lost—the stadium-running, the egg smoothie, the steroids...but I didn't. I am here to confess right now. These TV and movie people get me every time. GULLIBLE IS WRITTEN ON THE CEILING!!!!!
I just go along for the ride like an imbecile on a roller coaster, trailing a long string of drool behind me like Isadora Duncan's scarf.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

Scott, I think we should all move in together and form a TV-watching, pudding-eating commune.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

Raise your standards, chums. That was dull.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

Below, in ASCII format, I represent the narrative tension level of this episode:
______________________________________/\---

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

xpost - OTM. How much time did they spend on Jack lowering himself and SLOOOOWLY looking around the tunnel? Thank god for TiVO and fast-forwarding.

And the ending to his surgery store was awful. Gee, didn't see that coming Mr. Man of Science. I think Lee is generous with his carat - total flatline for me.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

For all intents & purposes, this was like the millionth recap episode that Lost has had (even though everyone worth snagging as viewer who wasn't already a fan probably WATCHED THE DVDS BEFORE THIS), and so the episode was handcuffed to not advancing anything.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:21 (twenty years ago)

On second thought, the intro was pretty good. You think it's going to be a flashback and then they follow it up the cheap-CGI tunnel. Downhill from there, though.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

You guys are harsh.

Shannon starts hearing the voices. A dripping wet Walt appears, then disappears after incoherently mumbling something. Locke was strangely calm with a gun barrel pressed into his neck. Where's Kate? Why was Desmond in the stadium? And why is he on/under the island? What's the quarantine for? THOSE NUMBERS!

I'm more hopped up to see Season 2, Ep 2 than I was waiting all summer to see this premiere.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)

Those things might have been interesting if the rest of the episode wasn't drowned in dialogue whose purpose was to remind people of: 1) What a stick in the mud Jack is; 2) What a fatalistic hippie Locke is. All those things hung out there without any development or connection to anything else that was going on in the episode.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

Well, the debut episode of Season 1 was pretty ramshackle too. It serves the series in that it kicks off storylines that'll either be resolved or come to a head several weeks in (likely November sweeps), at which point you'll see another "foundation" episode.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 22 September 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

I'm getting tired of hearing the bloody numbers. I fear the show's going to get drowned in its ever more outlandish backstory (telekinetic kid, numbers, ghosts/hallucinations, everyone's got a bad past, they're all bizarrely connected) and that it won't add up to anything. Just focus on the characters for a little while, please.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 22 September 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

could somebody tell me what happened during the first 7-10 minutes? We had mad tornado watch coverage here

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 22 September 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

The series premiere had several things going for it that this episode lacked.

1. Better directed. The opening volley, with the whirring airplane engine, was intense.
2. Genuinely scary moments. Sure, some of it was of the GOTCHA! like the dinosaur snacking on the pilot, but there weren't any scary moments here at all. Death is scary, not a wet brat who probably isn't even there.

Did anyone else notice how bland Kate was? Did the Hollywood lifestyle corrupt Evangeline Lilly?

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 22 September 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sigtom.com/medbottle.png

mother fucker.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Thursday, 22 September 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

And the ending to his surgery store was awful. Gee, didn't see that coming Mr. Man of Science.

Given that we saw that woman in season one walking around engaged to Jack and talking about how he miraculously saved her life and helped her walk again, I would be extremely surprised if we WEREN'T supposed to see the ending of that story coming. It wasn't a story about whether or not Sarah would walk again, it was a story about how Jack humanized himself as a doctor and fell in love.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

Leeeee and milozauckerman in GIDDY GLEE AT HAVING THEIR INSANELY HIGH EXPECTATIONS DASHED non-shockah.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 22 September 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

I would be extremely surprised if we WEREN'T supposed to see the ending of that story coming. It wasn't a story about whether or not Sarah would walk again, it was a story about how Jack humanized himself as a doctor and fell in love.

Well, that and the implication that the mysterious man in the stadium who told him to believe in miracles was absolutely correct, and a medical impossibility became possible, and his name is Desmond and did he CAUSE he to get her legs back somehow?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

So had Desmond appeared in other shows before? I've only watched the finale from last season and the one last night (though my gf has been answering most of my annoying questions).

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

no this is the first time he's shown up brotha

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

No, he's totally new. (But not to Jack!)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

(Also I think a good 75% of the Lost fanatics watching the show called Desmond as the duder in the hatch.)

My favorite detail: Kate screaming Jack's name as that music was blaring at him in the underground biodome.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, what was that song? And why would anyone willingly listen to it?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I really liked the way this episode felt very focussed, whole characters and storylines were totally left out for a while, just so that the writers could concentrate on giving some answers, at last. And if those answers just lead to more questions, well hey, that's the fun of Lost, right?

Also, it's clear from the outset that, as far as locke vs jack goes, the series is on locke's side. I mean, we didn't get flashbacks illustating how locke is actually more scientific than he claims to be, did we? So that's presumably a pointer to say "hey, don't expect rational conclusions to these plots, we don't like rationality".

So, that song then, who sang that? Google seems to indicate a few people have released versions of it... (ooh, xpost)

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

mama cass.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. Mamas and the Papas, "Make your own kind of music," and we're only able to scoop Scott because he's being distracted by Rufus disabling his TV with a jackhammer, I'm sure.
Leeeeee and Milo, you guys OBVIOUSLY haven't taken your quota of brain cell-destroying substances yet. When you break on through to the other side it will be a moment of glory and revelation.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Why the fuck was Jack's woman conscious in the OR?! Much less trying to make the surgeon feel better before surgery.

My gf pointed out that they could have done the same scene (except realistically) in the prep room.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

There are certain shows where it doesn't make sense to complain about the lack of "realism".

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

xpost Haha... To truly enjoy Lost, you have to take the red pill.

Why the fuck was Jack's woman conscious in the OR?!

So she could say the line about dancing at her wedding, which immediately lets you know who she is.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

But she ALREADY said that line when she got wheeled in after the accident. I mean a few scenes later.

However, point taken, Dan.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Raise your standards, chums. That was dull.

leee, weren't you telling me that you'd become a reality tv addict this summer?

jack was a doctor when he ran into desmond, which means he had to have been 24 or so at least to be doing major surgery (actually, to be doing surgery, a few years older probably), and it doesn't seem like jack's character is more than 35 or so now now probably. so the stadium scene might have been approx. 94 or 95, if not sooner. but desmond seems to be retro guy, with the bad music and the ancient computer...

looked up matthew fox on imdb and he's 39. still.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

xpost Oh, I see. Yeah, I have no idea.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Not only should we not expect realism, but we should strenuously object to it when it bares its unfunloving litle head.
I like how they made Jack look so much younger. His hair was shaggy over his ears or something. And his father didn't have such a pathetic shrunken-weasel personality. I almost expected him to break into song ala Singing Detective. The HOPE song.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Was his father on the island, or just in earlier flashbacks? Better yet, can someone recommend a helpful website so I don't have to keep asking questions?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

You can get the first season DVD now. Cram for the finals.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

jack's shaggy hair was great.

the father was in hallucinatory visions on the island, much as walt was for shannon. he'd died and jack had been bringing his body back to the states on the plane.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Better yet, can someone recommend a helpful website so I don't have to keep asking questions?

Most of the websites are fantastically full of spoilers. Just watch it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Why would the biker/pirates snatch Walt just to drown him? That doesn't make any sense.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

do visions of someone necessarily mean they're dead though? maybe it just means that the person has freaky powahs. it was jack's dad that suggested to jack that he tell sarah of the tiny tiny bit of hope that there was....

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, and Desmond in the stadium was probably a vision, unless his bunker shift hadn't begun yet.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

desmond as a vision! that makes much more sense, kind of.

i wonder if the 'lift it up' comment will come to something more at some point....

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Woah. What if Jack has always been schizophrenic and manifests these apparitions to himself in times of stress, but didn't realize what was going on until he started seeing his dead father?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

I want spoilers, Kenan! I don't think I'm going to go back and watch all of season 1, and even if I did most of it will be spoiled already for me by watching and talking about season 2.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Jordan: I think TWOP might be what you want, if you have some time to read. Exhaustive recaps. You won't miss a thing.

http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show.cgi?show=136

Then again, it takes almost as long to read one of these as it does to watch an episode.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

www.thefuselage.com

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

other (shorter) lost recaps:

http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=cleolinda&keyword=Lost&filter=all

i don't think she got to the last few eps though.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

each survivor is one of Jack personalities.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, Kenan. I remember Maddie saying that she enjoys reading those recaps almost more than actually watching the show!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

leee, weren't you telling me that you'd become a reality tv addict this summer?

Haha, you caught me. Though I have to say, most reality shows are able to tell a better story than the premiere did.

To be sure: I wasn't that excited for the premiere, i.e. I didn't invest a whole lot into my expectations, much less expect the show to be realistic. I get enough realism from Survivor, thank you.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 22 September 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

yeah they would have had to do like backflips and rainbow farts and ice cream orgies with indie blogger supermodels to get three stars from you Leeeeeeee!

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

i dug out my copy of The Third Policeman because of this article.

― badgerminor (badgerminor), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I heard about that a couple weeks ago, but was sworn to not post it on this board because the guy who leaked it "could get sued." Along with the clue came the assurance that the secret of the book is *not* the secret of the people on the island. They are most certainly alive.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

I fucking love this show.
Not that this show is really like sex, but it does make me less concerned about the orgasm and more into the prolonging of the act just so I can go "oh my god! whoa! ah-ha!" etc. This episode even reminded me of Twin Peaks in some ways (esp Walt and his freaky mumbling, holy crap.) Of course, I'm not ruling out that it may be downhill from here, but the ride, the ride...

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

When walt was makin gthose noises, was he talking backwards? It sounded like he might be. Has anyone bothered sampling and reversing it yet? I might try.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

OOOH! Ok, I just tried, and I think I was right, but I can't quite make out what it was that he was saying backwards. The first bit is definitely "press the button". And the second seems to start with "don't put..." but I can't figure the rest out...

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

wow, tv on the internet - they KNOW this is being downloaded big time - I am glad. The button on the keyboard maybe? button mystery takes over from hatch mystery.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Ah ha! The "execute" button!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Jim, can you post an mp3 of that? Backwards?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to but I don't know where I can host it...could make it a YSI?

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

I love that execute button, and the giant computer whirring away. I really want to explore and hang out in that underground 70s lair (without possibly psycho disease-ridden man - though he's pretty hott, sorry.)

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to but I don't know where I can host it...could make it a YSI?

Mail it to my gmail address (below) and I can stick it up on my server.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

I LOVED the ep. The second he said "see you in another life" I knew that bitch was in the hatch. As predictable as it was it opened a whole new can of worms for me.

Someone on TWOP pointed out that Desmond has bunk beds and that he keeps calling people brother (crazy twins maybe?). My theory is the guy is the devil and makes miracles for people in exchange for their soul.

Is anyone like me and starting to hate Jack? What was up his attitude in that last scene!

― rocknrolldetox (rocknrolldetox), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Ok, here's the YSI

But kenan, I've sent it to you as well.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Ok, it's here as well.

"Press the button" is unmistakable, but the rest I can't get.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, Jim! (and Kenan) Though that did totally freak me out and I have to leave the house now for a little reality. But, yes, very clearly that's what it is, the button! But "Don't put...?"

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

"...your dick in the peanut butter!"

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Actually it sounds like "Don't pudding spaz!" which is now my new mantra.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Well, if I knew it was going to be THAT kind of party...

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

YOU GOT YOUR FUTURISTIC SECURITY SYSTEM IN MY PEANUT BUTTER

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

YOU GOT YOUR PEANUT BUTTER ON MY "FUTURISTIC SECURITY SYSTEM"

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 September 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

http://www.computermuseum.it/images/computer/138.jpg

futuristic?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

someone has to put "PRESS THE BUTTON DONT PUDDING SPAZ" to a drum break.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Tape reels are not futuristic, but I must wonder, what kind of computer has an "execute" button?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

Dude, I'm sure the government has one.

― Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

I bet they have a "DONT PUDDING SPAZ" button too.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Two other things from the TWOP forum: the name of the other guy who died in the car crash was "Rutherford"... as in Shannon. Probably her dad.

And it's not clear at all that Desmond is doing 'roids. He could just as easily be innoculating himself against something.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was insulin?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

It's THE NUMBERS. He's injecting himself with THE EVIL NUMBERS.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Innoculating himself against whatever the "quarantine" sign is about...

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

The sickness that Rousseau keeps blathering on about, maybe? Said assumed that it was Rousseau who killed her fellow team members, but, true to her form, she responded in no coherent way.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

i just realized that both jack's wife and locke got the use of their legs back after indirect contact with desmond.

― La Monte (La Monte), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

walt is going to save us all.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

has anyone sent the reversed Walt clip to the people of Television Without Pity? They might wet themselves.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

There's a link to another clip of the same thing that went up last night in the forum.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

um... here:

http://www.foxmod.com/lost/lost.html

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

has anyone sent the reversed Walt clip to the people of Television Without Pity? They might wet themselves.

They already have it and like 5 interpretations of it with commas inserted at different points which each have a diff meaning. Push the button. No! Buttons is good. Push the button. No button is good. etc...

JJ Abrams has said that all the castaways have crossed paths in some way so I wouldn't be surprised if that is Shannon's dad.

― rocknrolldetox (rocknrolldetox), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

i just realized that both jack's wife and locke got the use of their legs back after indirect contact with desmond.

He can also turn water into Jack Daniels, and Sawyer guides the raftaways back to the island by following the smell.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

there is a race of superhuman/alien/mutants out there, obv desmond is one, he is able to heal people somehow. walt is also one, shown by his weird animal connections. rousseau's son alex was probably one also. maybe?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 22 September 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

or was alex a girl, i forget?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 22 September 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I think it was revealed at some point that alex is/was a girl.

― rocknrolldetox (rocknrolldetox), Thursday, 22 September 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

i think we saw a girl on the boat we thought was alex, but i don't think it was ever stated for sure.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 22 September 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

There was a girl on the boat, the one who threw the molotov cocktail, so that's certainly a theory.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

So are we all convinced that Walt was the boy that The Others wanted, and that they're the ones who took him? Is everyone on the same page on that one?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

I'm hearing "Press the button? Don't! Button's bad!"
It improves after 300 listens.
My new theory is that everything is going on in the mind... of the DOG.
It's a psychic dog, see...
There also better be a polar bear containment space in that underground buckyball.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 September 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

The button. Jack was about to press something in the vicinity of ctrl. Or...
NO! NO! NOT CAPS LOCK!!!!
The Others are like those pirates in The Fog. They're remaking The Fog. COINCIDENCE?????
The Desmond twist got me thinking about Desmond Dekker. Then today I overheard two stoner youths talking about Desmond Dekker. COINCIDENCE????
The castaways are THE ISREALITES!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 23 September 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

The Others are like those pirates in The Fog. They're remaking The Fog. COINCIDENCE?????

I think... SO!!!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

I couldn't believe it when i saw the commercial for the new fog. jeezus, why can't they leave my favorite movies alone until i'm dead. texas chainsaw, dawn of the dead, the warriors, manchurian candidate, just leave them alone already! if rob zombie makes a remake of living dead girl i will shoot myself.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 September 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

they did remind me of the pirates in the fog.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 September 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

The pirates are the Morlocks and the Hatch people are the Eloi.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

But there's only one hatch person, and if his musical tastes are any indication, he doesn't have many friends. Besides...

there is a race of superhuman/alien/mutants out there, obv desmond is one, he is able to heal people somehow. walt is also one

I like this. The Others wanted Walt and they got him. The likely also want Desmond, but he's too clever. Perhaps he built the Security System. Maybe against the others. Anyway, Walt and Desmond may be related.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

But there's only one hatch person, and if his musical tastes are any indication, he doesn't have many friends
But he has Mamas and Papas! And bunk beds, so he either HAD a friend or plans to have one.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

There's something to that.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

Actually, maybe Desmond's a Morlock. Remember how Locke got sucked into the sinkhole? That's how Morlocks got you.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

Sorry. I'll get off this Time Machine tangent.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

and what of michael, sawyer and jun?!

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

Also, if he's going to listen to The Mamas and the Papas, why not a good song? If "California Dreamin'" is good enough for Kar Wai Wong, why not JJ Abrams? Hell, I'd have settled for "Dedicated to the One I Love." That song sucked so much that I'm going to have to start looking for clues in the lyrics.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

and what of michael, sawyer and jun?!
I think they'll swim back, show up half-drowned. The ABC/Lost site's message board is dominated by desperate housewives who can't spell their way out of a paper bag, all creaming their acid-washed denim jeans over Sawyer. The network is NOT gonna let that one go. Unless he got a movie deal. Has anyone heard anything?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

Not that my behavior here isn't equally pathetic.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

You're fine. You're great. You can spell.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

it was OK

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

your ok is our wow

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

i wish they'd off sawyer, he's the worst character of the bunch. love the show, but hate him, not b/c he's meant to be hated, but b/c his acting is crap and his backstory is weak

― breezy, Friday, 23 September 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

After looking at that Lost Torrent thread, I am very glad to see RJG's "it was OK." That thread is pure suspense (with some frustration.) It makes me feel better about trying to download the O.C. right now and not having much luck/speed. But I do not care; it is not L.O.S.T.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 23 September 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

haha, I know

just kidding, I really enjoyed it, of course

I had forgotten how annoying "cliffhangers" are, when you don't have another episode to watch

the desmond in the hatch was v. obvious, I thought. can't decide if having him out of bed and his day-to-day stuff right at the start was a good idea or not. doesn't matter, now

jack's flashback hair is funny

I don't think I believe, now, that any of the inside-the-hatch stuff was really part of the whole idea, from the off. the quote about having enough for eight seasons' worth is a lie, too, I have decided. they may well make eight seasons, though--I will not stop them

listening to jim D's walt backwards, I think he says "press the button, don't puttin' smaaa"

flashback to jack's flashback hair: maybe it reminded me of flashback hair from friends, which is supposed to be funny, at least

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yeah, I don't really think much of sawyer but I guess I wouldn't get rid of him because I like this show

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: )

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

he's still on... he's on a magazine cover this week with no upcoming movies or woteva.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 23 September 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

you were on that funny thread

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

Milo, let's start a haterz thread.

Wait, forget the thread; let's start a BOARD.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 23 September 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

yeah, hate the show, keep watching it, and write about it, you twats!

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 06:40 (twenty years ago)

Just focus on the characters for a little while, please.

Oh for the love of God, please DON'T! This show is a thousand times better now that they've established the characters and have gotten the dull exposition out of the way so that they can go full speed ahead with the plot. I hope that everything keeps moving as quickly as it has in the last two episodes from here on out. A majority of the first season was dullsville, especially the flashback heavy stuff. They need to ditch the flashbacks very badly.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

Also, I'm with Tofu, the second half of what Walt is saying sounds like "the button's bad."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

I read, on a website, that it's definitely "don't puttin' smaaa"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

It's very obvs that they are making this shit up as they go along, so yeah, maybe they can do this for eight seasons. That's the problem, though. The writers are doing that Scott Lobdell thing where they seem to throw in crazy shit and then try to work out explanations for it later on.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

oh, they are making up the whole plot line with jack miraculously restoring his wife's ability to walk? cause that was in the first season, and i'm sure they knew they were going to flesh it out this way.

don't underestimate these writers.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

They need to ditch the flashbacks very badly.

The flashbacks are the main narrative trick that makes the show unique (compared to everything else around it)! It's like saying "Desperate Housewives" needs to ditch the narrator or "Alias" needs to ditch the ludicrous sexy outfits.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

(I need to change my screen name.)

― The Ghost of Don't Pudding Spaz (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Did they established that he restored her ability to walk in the previous season, or did they just establish that she was walking when he was with her? Because I'm fairly certain that it's the latter, and this development is what geeks call a "retcon."

Actually, Desperate Housewives DOES need to lose the narrator!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

-ly, "Alias" needs to ditch the ludicrous-ly sexy outfits

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― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

I mean, the narration in Desperate Housewives makes the horrid pun-ridden Carrie Bradshaw voiceovers in Sex And The City seem REALLY GREAT by comparison.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

she was just walking when he was with her?

that doesn't make sense

yes, they established that he restored her ability to walk

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― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

dan otm, without flashbacks, what use would the whole desmond injection into the story line be?

it served two purposes, one, it explained a lot more about jack's marriage to whatsherface than what we learned first season (a lot of people were wondering why he married her/what the deal was with that), two, it formed some kind of nexus between locke's recovery (we don't even know how he lost the use of his legs yet, we'll need a flashback for that), jack's wife's recovery, and the overall connection between all of them.

so, do not forsake flashbacks. you maybe should watch a different show?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

the WHOLE WEDDING was premised on the fact that he fixed her, perpetua. jesus.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

remember his overall depression during the wedding. jack was certain she was paralyzed for life, and to his knowledge, he had nothing to do with her recovery.

i predict at some point his wife loses the use of her legs again, like locke did first season.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

Well, the Desmond thing was the first time I've ever seen them use the flashbacks in a way that seemed to advance the plot in an exciting way. I appreciate setting up some backstory, but it seemed like waaaaaay too much of the first season was spent treading water by having to go back and show what each character was all about rather than advancing the main plot, which is vastly more interesting to me.

I apologize, I snored through a lot of the episodes last season, and skipped a fair few. The show didn't really catch my full attention to til the last couple episodes of the season. I wasn't fully sold on the series until that amazing scene with Walt getting kidnapped by the pirates.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

IIRC, it was explicitly stated at the rehearsal dinner scene from a season 1 flashback by Sarah that they met when Jack restored her ability to walk.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't fully sold on the series until that amazing scene with Walt getting kidnapped by the pirates.

i have some pirate movies to recommend you then. stay away from my show.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

Um, it wasn't the pirates part that interested me, per se.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

It was more the "OMG a genuinely terrifying bit of cinema on ABC of all places..."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

And Cutty, you're being weirdly defensive about this, as though there's a possibility that I was going to join the show's writing staff or something.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

"weirdly defensive" is my middle name.

when you say They need to ditch the flashbacks very badly it sounds like you are watching the show for the wrong reasons.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

it is frustrating, to read people writing about something they don't know about

I do sometimes download the songs from your blog, though

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― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

Well, isn't it pretty clear that I'm coming from a place of a recent convert who still has some misgivings about the series? At this point, I've decided that in spite of its flaws, the show is well worth following for the good bits, and I want to see where this is all going. I'm pretty skeptical though, because I really don't trust these writers at all, and I'm not convinced that any of these characters are nearly as interesting as the macroplot.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

maybe you could make use of this: Come anticipate LOST, SECOND SEASON with me

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

The bit with Locke getting pulled into the hole was as terrifying as Walt's kidnapping. Also, the entire pilot is maybe the most thrilling bit of mainstream television I've watched.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

This thread is for HARDCORE LOST FANS only.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

(says scott seward, master of ceremonies)

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the pilot was great, and I'm not saying there weren't other thrilling bits, just that the Walt kidnapping scene was particularly masterful. I'm really psyched to see them pick up that thread next week. I kinda hope that at least one of those three guys dies, though.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/smiling_jack_hs.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

Which I guess translates to "I hope that Jin dies" since there's no way Sawyer or Walt's dad are going anywhere.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

It'd be braver to off Sawyer, though. But this is ABC.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, they killed the Relatable Young White Guy so it doesn't really seem like anyone's safe on this show.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

(Also on "Alias" they did great things like shooting Sidney's roommate in the face after a season and a half of regular appearances so it's not like JJ Abrams plays by any "all regular characters are sacrosanct" rules.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

I appreciate setting up some backstory, but it seemed like waaaaaay too much of the first season was spent treading water by having to go back and show what each character was all about rather than advancing the main plot

But the backstories do advance the main plot. And they're even more interesting, because they subvert expectations of not only the audience, but the others on the island. It's all very tightly-wound, actually.

they killed the Relatable Young White Guy

The one who fucked his sister? Yeah, he was the voice of my demographic, for sure.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

I KNEW IT

― The Ghost of White People Be Incestin'! (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

Vahrcc0f8I
It'd be braver to off Sawyer, though. But this is ABC.

during the summer abrams said some will die in the second episode. He aslo said that the character will die and NOT appear in any future episode (be it a vision or flashback). There was speculation that it was an actor who thought his popularity ment more money. The popular choices were sawyer, Hurley and Charlie.

so we'll see though I bet sawyer too.

― josh w (jbweb), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

I said charlie, when I first read that

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

I don't know that it would be braver to off Sawyer, since he actively wants to die. That would be the safe choice. Charlie would be braver.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

But Hurley would be madness! They're not going to kill Hurley.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

the rumour that someone had insisted on more money or something and they just wrote them out, instead

none of these choices would be "brave"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

I said charlie, when I first read that
-- RJG,

when I first read it I said hurly since he seems to be really popular
(or at least the most popular between the three of them)

― josh w (jbweb), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

The season 2 trailer on oceanic-air.com features shots of Sawyer running through the woods that I don't think are from season 1. But I could be wrong about that.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

hurley never gets hurt himself though (because he's spry!), he just brings bad luck on other people. i say charlie. sawyer has a bit more dimension, is funnier, and just seems more important to the show having an interesting variety of characters than charlie does.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

charlie has a weird face

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

is my reasoning

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

there is that heroin story though, how he took one of the heroin smugglers' drug-filled nuns at the end of last season. though maybe he'd od, that would work.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

I've never taken heroin, does it make your face weird?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

But said roommate came back -- as her EVIL CLONE. It's more like Abrams has affection for certain actorbs, and finds clones, twins, and dopplegangers in the plots to bring them back.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Well, realistically, the Charlie the junkie was never long for this world, so I kinda figured they'd be killing him off before too long.

I just think it'd be formally interesting to kill off Sawyer Sexy Action Hero very early on, to make it seem more hopeless. But yeah, he's more than likely sticking around since they will probably want to keep going with his death wish and his relationship with Kate. He's not bad, but he reminds me of Gambit from the X-Men in ways that aren't necessarily good.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

I strongly doubt Hurley will be going anywhere cos he's pretty reliable comedic relief, and it seems like they have a lot more to reveal about him and the numbers and the whole "bad luck" thing.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

sawyer has barely done anything to warrant "sexy action hero" status or keep hope alive

you should watch season one

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

he reminds me of Gambit from the X-Men in ways that aren't necessarily good.

TS: dodgy Southern accent vs dodgy PHONETIC Cajun accent

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

No, no, no - I'm talking about the viewers here, not the characters. He's a hunky alpha male antihero badass, and he's clearly set up to be one of the main characters along with Kate, Locke, Sayid, and Jack. Killing him off would really throw the audience off balance, and make them worry more about the other leads, as opposed to assuming that it's always going to be one of the supporting characters.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

I don't even know that Sayid can really count as a lead for this show; right now it's all about Jack/Kate/Locke/Sawyer.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Sayid was pushing it, but I totally get the sense that he's pretty key to the future of the show. And the actor was nominated for an Emmy, so that raises his profile a bit.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/400/desmonds.jpg

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

I thought the point of this show was that all the characters were pretty key

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

That Emmy nomination was affirmative action quota jive to make HWood feel good about itself.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

I totally don't get the impression that all the characters on this show are all key! There's a clear hierarchy in place.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, though. Sayid definitely rules, and he's certainly a more compelling character than Sawyer or Jack as far as I'm concerned. He's the only alpha male on the show who's not a total douchebag.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

He's the only alpha male on the show who's not a total douchebag.

OTM OTM OTM OTM OTMFM

(Although I do kind of like Jack still.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

they're all there for different reasons, which, together, may help to explain...something!!

jack and kate and locke get the most attention, though, of course

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

I apologize, I snored through a lot of the episodes last season, and skipped a fair few.

I totally don't get the impression that all the characters on this show are all key!

Dude, come on, give the writers a break, there's only so much they can do if you're not even going to watch it.

And, um, if it turns out to be true that sombody major does die next week, then I'll be a bit miffed about the lack of a spoiler warning up there. I assumed this was meant to be a spoiler-free thread?

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

OMG I SAW A ROUGH CUT AND THEY TOTALLY HAD MICHAEL GET EATEN BY JELLYFISH

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

jim, I didn't really think of that as a spoiler--it was a rumour that was floating around, immediately after the end of season one, and was discussed on the old thread

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

it was a rumour that was floating around, immediately after the end of season one

Ah, that's fair enough then, sorry. I guess it's probably as reliable as the "don't expect to see walt ever again!" rumour (which has already been proven wrong, kinda).

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Listen man, I'm with the show for the rest of this season. I saw enough of the first one to know what's going on and have a handle on the characters, though some plot points slip through. I didn't realize that I had to have a fucking doctorate in Lostology for this. It's not like it's The Wire or something. I simply do not care enough to go back over the first season. The first season of virtually everything aside from Arrested Development and The Wire is always flawed in being mostly set-up and exposition - I'm always going to be more interested in where the stories go after the foundation has been set. They have me hooked now that the story is on the move, please forgive me for not being way into the first season, alright?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

listen man,

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Gonna be a WHAT
Lost Fight

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

first season of virtually everything aside from Arrested Development and The Wire is always flawed in being mostly set-up and exposition

The first season of twin peaks was all set up. Man, I just wanted the second season to start already

― josh w (jbweb), Friday, 23 September 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

good lord

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, they killed the Relatable Young White Guy so it doesn't really seem like anyone's safe on this show.

wasn't he really just fired? wasn't he sleeping w/some producer's daughter in real life?

― YOU ALMOST STABBED YOURSELF IN THE FACE LIKE A HULKAMANIAC (jaxon), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

The MP3 sounds like 'Press the button, don't look and stare' to me.

Put me in the gullible basket with Beth way upthread too - I missed just about every clue, but still loved every minute of it.

― Mil (Mil), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

It's nice to have company in the gullible ward.
They have to keep Sawyer because he's an asshole. What, you want everyone to be nice? Likewise Shannon. They could kill off Michael because he's an asshole too but not quite in Sawyer's league. And if Walt is drowned there's no reason to keep his dad around. You already have Shannon to do the Bereaved Asshole thing. Then they'd be killing off the only black guy. Another black guy would have to step forward from the anonymous pack of passengers—the thirty-odd people that we never see. Well, we saw some of them in that huddling-in-the-cave scene, but the lights were low.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

"Another black guy would have to step forward from the anonymous pack of passengers"

Will a Latina woman do? Cuz girlfighter is waiting in the wings and should be showing up any day now.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Tailaways!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

KILL FUCKING SHANNON ALREADY

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 September 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

Somebody start a fake Shannon Livejournal, like now.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 September 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

He said he was training for a race around the world.

The hatch is a Roadblock in the Amazing Race!

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Saturday, 24 September 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

speaking of which, nicole, are you there or are you square for the upcoming family edition? time to revive a thread, i think.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 September 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

It's a race around North America! With annoying kids! I don't know if it's worth watching.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Saturday, 24 September 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

wait, they aren't going to india with the kidz? okay, that is lame. i wanted to see them all throw up and run screaming from the scary taxi-cabs. although i wondered how the hell they were gonna pull that off. i will still watch, probably.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 September 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

shannon is hot

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 24 September 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

they should not go back to the raft ppl for at least one more ep, pref 2. but i bet we see them next week. if not, well done writers. nerve kept

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 24 September 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

did anyone else think of The Prisoner in that early bit when Jack got down the hatch, the music kicks in and then he sees all the old computer gear in the geodesic dome room?

all he has to do is type "WHY?" into the computer and it will explode

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 24 September 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Will a Latina woman do? Cuz girlfighter is waiting in the wings and should be showing up any day now.

I noticed her in the opening credits this week, but assumed she'd just be part of Jack's flashback again. Is she actually going to show up on the island a whole series in? That'd be absolutely insane but fantastic.

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 24 September 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

i think the people from the back of the plane will show up. and she was in the back of the plane. like that woman's husband who was in the bathroom.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 September 2005 10:07 (twenty years ago)

Right. Exactly. Hence "tailaways." It's another great TWOP word.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

And the guy we keep seeing hit the ceiling of the plane will also reappear as Massive Headwound Harry, and chuckles will be had all around.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Good. Dana Carvey needs the work.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Oh yes, of course. I'd forgotten about that. Why is it just her name that's appeared in the credits this series, and not a whole group of new characters (assuming there will be a few)? Do you think they're just trying to drop hints to anyone paying attention?

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Actually, forget that. I've just watched the intro sequence, and only the main of the main characters who get in the titles.

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

There are going to be a few new main characters; my guess is that Rodriguez's contract is such that she's listed as a cast member in every episode this season, regardless of whether or not she actually appears that week.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 September 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

When Boone made the mayday call from the herion planes radio, he said "We're survivors of the crash of Oceanic plane 815". I'm pretty sure the reply back to him was "We're the survivors of Oceanic plane 815!!" so thats probably the guys from the back of the plane surviving somewhere else on the island.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Please don't use "great" and "TWOP" in the same sentence, on a thread that I read.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Saturday, 24 September 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

And if Walt is drowned there's no reason to keep his dad around. You already have Shannon to do the Bereaved Asshole thing. Then they'd be killing off the only black guy. Another black guy would have to step forward from the anonymous pack of passengers—the thirty-odd people that we never see.

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje is joining the cast, though not as a passenger. He is a black guy.

― La Monte (La Monte), Saturday, 24 September 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Do you suppose there was something funny in the water that Desmond gave the good doctor after he sprained his ankle?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 24 September 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Please don't use "great" and "TWOP" in the same sentence, on a thread that I read.

Leeeeeeeee otm.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Saturday, 24 September 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

If Girlfighter comes on board maybe she can punch Kate in the nose if Kate tries that "staring off at the horizon when someone comes up to talk to her" thing. MANNERS, bitch.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

It's not like you didn't hear me crashing through the jungle behind you.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

You're marooned on an island. You've had enough time to gaze at the sea.
Fuck you and your pregnant pauses. BAM!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:12 (twenty years ago)

And fuck your layered camisols, too.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Camisoles.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

But Kate has the best story of anyone on the island. Boo-hoo, Jack and Sawyer and Walt and Jin and his wife all had fucking daddy issues, bo-ring.

I just want to know how many people Kate killed and why.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

I'm not saying get rid of her. Just punch her in the nose.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

beth, you are pretty funny.

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

In fairness to Jin, at least his daddy-in-law issues were more along the lines of "I appear to have married into a family that expects me to kill people" rather than "oh, the pressure of living up to my dad".

Maybe Kate killed the people because she feels pressure from her daddy.

I was amused to see that the camera people at the Emmys decided to single Naveen out as the man to train the camera on whenever the show got mentioned.

I don't know what TWOP is.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 25 September 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

Television Without Pity, which can often be downright creepy in the groupthink displayed in naming show memes.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 25 September 2005 06:21 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Milo.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 25 September 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

i miss the science teacher

― dahlin (dahlin), Monday, 26 September 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

argh. Finally watched this. I had forgotten how my enjoyment of this series is tempered by its refusal to provide any real payoffs. Surely it is building towards a conclusion that can only disappoint!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 26 September 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

seeing what was in the hatch wasn't a payoff? i had a boner.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 September 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I kind of don't understand people who wanted the entire narrative to end with the season opener. IT'S SERIALIZED FICTION, IT'S NEVER GOING TO END UNTIL THE SHOW GETS CANCELLED.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 26 September 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

I had forgotten how my enjoyment of this series is tempered by its refusal to provide any real payoffs
I am reminded of my mother's reasons for disliking Scrabble. "Because you have your word planned and then someone PUTS THEIR WORD there and RUINS your plan!"
Uh, Ma? Plan B???
Handsomishboy! You want they give you everything right now?
DEFERRED GRATIFICATION.
Tantric sex.
LOST.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 26 September 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

A Way of Life.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 26 September 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

i like beth

― dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

I luv all of you guyzz!!!! (drool, fall into appetizer tray, spill drink).

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

beth, you are pretty funny.

-- cutty (holle...), September 25th, 2005 12:23 AM. (mcutt) (later)

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Hey, hey, hey (Hi Beth). I'm still going to watch it, and I'm still going to get wrapped up in it, and I'm still going to, I don't know.
It's, y'know, maybe I haven't watched enough "chick flicks" or what not, but like, the Season One setting sail sequence that dragged on FOREVER, yoked REAL TEARS out of my eyes. And I was all, like, CRUSHED when the OTHERS took Walt. And while it's happening, and the full spectrum of human emotion, etc, but the afterward I feel cheap and used. MANIPULATED.
But, like, it's a manipulation we invite, right? That's the whole promise (rarely delivered) of the "DRAMA" genre.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

People allowing themselves to be pleasurably manipulated is what makes the world go round. CGI effects are the brightly colored baubles of the day, and we are the placated savages. By watching Lost you are doing your duty as a citizen. Think of all the looting and pillaging you'd be doing if you weren't parked in front of the television with your bowl of Chunky Monkey.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

TASTE THE SAD, MICHAEL!

oops, wrong show.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

beth, i am speechless.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

I hope because you have your mouth full of Chunky Monkey.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

i wish i had chunky monkey
i confess to spending a full hour today reading LOST analysis on the unofficial website forum thingie. some deep (saddo) musings there.
there was one i particularly liked, from 'hawkmistress' involving magnetism and immunity and stuff
mmmmm

― dahlin (dahlin), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

DON'T PUDDING SPAZ

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps "Pudding Spaz" is the name of the disease. I want to hear Rousseau say it with her accent. "Ze ozzeres, ze got ze puddeeng spaz. I had to keell zem." Then Hurley will hug her again.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

The butterscotch secret.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Time to get off ILE and take my pre-lost NAP.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Hey, they're repeating last week's and then running a new one at 9:00. Okay. Got it. I'm never quite ready at 8:00 anyway.
RUN, HIDE OR DIE!!!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

I'll be taping this in favor of participating in the imaginary/virtual community of a different show.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Okay.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

hmmmm

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

anyone catch the logo that desmond had on his suit on the belly of one of the sharks?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

no way! really?

― dan i. (Dan I.), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

umbrella corporation

― dan i. (Dan I.), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

Anyone else suspect that Desmond was the guy who was institutionalized with Hurley who kept repeating the numbers?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

They showed that guy. 'Tweren't Desmond unless he went gray and lost his accent.

Worse than last week's, overall.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

i don't think it was, they showed that guy. i think he had glasses and short, dark hair.
xpost

― La Monte (La Monte), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

and was named leonard (yes, i looked that up).

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh, okay. I couldn't remember if there was a flashback that contained that or not. Thx.

Agreed... this week was overall disappointing, what with retelling the first week's story from different pov. And fuck, Michael's really a cranky bastard.

But OMG! "The others" are here!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it looked like a logo on the f'n shark, couldn't see what though. Where's the freeze frame?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

I was hoping for trained dolphins who would bring them ashore.

I'm kind of disappointed in the direction this is taking/has been taking since mid-first season. I liked the idea of a big Survivor/Robinson Crusoe/Island soap opera story much more than apocalyptic multinational corps/militaries freaky island/little boy with magical powers.

Best touch of the show was Michael handing Walt a wee polar bear as they parted ways.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

...Michael handing Walt a wee polar bear as they parted ways.

Caught that too. Thus begins the mystery that is Walt.

If Walt can just manifest things from his own imagination/dreams/whatever, why the hell didn't he just manifest a boat that would get everyone out of there?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

"are you him?" = walt

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

see, i thought the logo on the shark was just really bad CGI.

― Mendoza Lineman (Carey), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

This statement was ridiculed, but completely OTM:
I had forgotten how my enjoyment of this series is tempered by its refusal to provide any real payoffs.

Serialized fiction still has payoffs. Subplots have resolution, something happens - there's a climax of some kind. Lost, thus far, is 100% foreplay. OK, they blew open the hatch, we're going to get some kind of knowledge... oh wait it just led to another, more incomprehensible storyline!

You can only build for so long with super-magical computers and numbers and arcane symbolism and criss-crossing backstories - sooner or later you have to reward people for putting up with your nonsense.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

crap I forgot, what was the code phrase prompt that desmond asked Locke?

― dan i. (Dan I.), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

oooh... I like that idea.

xxxp

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

i couldn't even make out what he said there.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

doesn't walt mostly manifest scary things though? dead bird, polar bears maybe, etc...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

xp:
'What did one silhouette say to the other' I think

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

What did the snowman say to the snowman?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps Walt can only manifest animals.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

A: To get to the other side?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

Was it snowman? I thought he said swimmer.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

Pretty sure it was snowman.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

thought he said schwimmer.

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/friends/Schwimmer.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

It's definitely "What did one snowman say to the other snowman?" (I think the answer is "Do you smell carrots?") -- Hurley told this joke to Jack in Season One.

― Terry, Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

did he really?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

I *think* so -- I remember it from somewhere, and I just watched all the DVDs. It's the ep. where Hurley is trying to lighten things up (maybe the one where they build a golf course)?

― Terry, Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

anyone else remember that short story about the two guys that get trapped/abandoned in a nuclear launch bunker and go crazy? I remember one of the guys had jacks, like the kind you play with with a rubber ball, and he wouldn't let the other guy play with them unless he did the simultaneous key-turn thing. Anyway, reminds me of desmond's bunker

― dan i. (Dan I.), Thursday, 29 September 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

Logo on the shark? I need new glasses.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 29 September 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

i can't believe no one else saw the logo?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 29 September 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/w1nt3rmut3/LostSharkTail.jpg

― dan i. (Dan I.), Thursday, 29 September 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

i think that the guy who was institutionalized with hurley was in that bunker at some point.

― bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 29 September 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

I bet Leonard BUILT the bunker. And maybe Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje's character will be the only guy who can control The Others. Maybe he'll have a special dog whistle. He call them off at the last minute—after they've killed Michael but before they kill Jin or Sawyer. Then they'll break into a drum major routine with their big sticks.
My subscription to Entertainment Weekly ran out, so I'm just guessing here.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 29 September 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

I love all you guys who get the still photo blow-ups and play the tape backwards. Are you all CIA agents or something?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 29 September 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

It was actually better than the premiere, but still doesn't touch last season.

There was a lot more action last season, but so far, what little action there has been has been stretched out in multiple angles; really, watching Locke go back down into the hatch could've been done last episode rather than have two chumps talking portentously. I suspect that the show has a limited number of ideas this year, and they're really stretching them out. I mean, I wanted to see what happened to Jin/Sawyer/Michael, but what I get was a total of 20 minutes of them doing a Seinfeld (talking about nothing), then switching rafts, then having the current take them back to the island.

And there wasn't any character-buildind dialogue either, which is why the flashbacks are completely uninteresting. JJ Abrams draws cartoonish characters exceptionally well (see: Alias season 1), but once the notion of reputability farts in his face, he decides to take his cartoonish characterizations and put them into more 'realistic' interpersonal contexts, which, not coincidentally, constitutes the downfall of Alias. In which cases, the dialogue is underwhelming, and we get flat characters like last night's smug, smirking lawyer. I don't know about you, but I've never had the pleasure of seeing a smug, smirking lawyer on a tv show before.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Kate's going to get super powers from that candy bar.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

I luv U Leeeeeeee.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

The logo that appeared on Desmond's suit, all the food containers, and the shark belly said "Dharma" on it, right?

― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
My smug smirking lawyer will be talking to your smug smirking lawyer.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, just caught up with this. Not sure about the new playing-around-with-narrative-structure thing. Given that, in the main, non-flashback story arc, we'd reached the jack-meets-desmond point at the end of last week's episode, you can sort of argue that the whole of this week's non-raft storyline was itself a flashback, which...I dunno, just seems to complicate things unecessarily.

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108. So we're putting the numbers in the computer every 108 minutes then? Is that all there is to them? I like this idea that hurley might've known the password, and could therefore be "him".

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 30 September 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, that label locke found on the cupboard, down the hatch...

http://static.flickr.com/28/47874952_57dcba4ff3_o.jpg

Says DHARMA on it, has a picture of (i think) a swan, and seems to be surrounded by i ching symbols. Anyone know anything about all that stuff?

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 30 September 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, translations here, but it's not clear from that sticker which trigram goes with which...

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 30 September 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Ah wait, there's eight basic trigrams, and each one is on there once. So yeah, that probably doesn't mean anything much.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 30 September 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

Says DHARMA on it, has a picture of (i think) a swan, and seems to be surrounded by i ching symbols. Anyone know anything about all that stuff?
Maybe they could have laid it on top of a cross, with a crescent moon on the side surrounded and stacked atop a totem pole.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 30 September 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

"Dharma" is, according to Wikipedia:

"Dharma (sanskrit, roughly law or way) is the way of the higher Truths. Beings that live in harmony with Dharma proceed quicker towards moksha, nirvana or personal liberation, a concept central in eastern religions."

and also;

"Rene Guenon, father of the 20th century school of Perennial Philosophy, defines it as such:

It [dharma] is, so to speak, the essential nature of a being, comprising the sum of its particular qualities or characteristics, and determining, by virtue of the tendencies or dispositions it implies, the manner in which this being will conduct itself, either in a general way or in relation to each particular circumstance. The same idea may be applied, not only to a single being, but also to an organized collectivity, to a species, to all the beings included in a cosmic cycle or state of existence, or even to the whole order of the Universe; it then, at one level or another, signifies conformity with the essential nature of beingsï¿½ (from Guenon's "Introduction to the Study of Hindu Doctrines")"

― dahlin (dahlin), Friday, 30 September 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

tho some obsessed nutters noted that the R is backwards, suggesting it's supposed to be read backwards, meaning it should read AMRAHD or AMRMHD
... which is an actual thing dealing with 'plasma' and electromagnetic science

"The NIMROD project, funded by the DOE Office of Fusion Energy Sciences and the SciDAC Center for Extended Magnetohydrodynamic Modeling (CEMM), is developing a modern computer code suitable for the study of long-wavelength, low-frequency, nonlinear phenomena in fusion reactor plasmas. These phenomena involve large-scale changes in the shape and motion of the plasma and severely constrain the operation of fusion experiments. CEMM also supports a complementary plasma simulation code, AMRMHD, which uses different mathematical formulations"

― dahlin (dahlin), Friday, 30 September 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Er...the R isn't backwards though.

http://static.flickr.com/28/47963953_7e762f97c8_o.jpg

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 30 September 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

I have no TV and so have never seen this programme.

However, in a dream a friend revealed to me that it is an allegory on the reconstruction of the South after the US civil war. Is there any truth to this suggestion of my subconscious?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 30 September 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

doubtful, dv
what else has emerged from your subconscious lately?

― dahlin (dahlin), Friday, 30 September 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

clearly when the shows secrets are revealed it will all come from the mind of Gary Busey.

― bingo (Chris V), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

It's probably a Christ allegory. It always is. Actually, when Charlie was hanged, and they cut him down, the rope was coiled under his head like a crown of thorns. And he died and was resurrected. Reminded me of the kid in Lord of the Flies (Peter? Simon? I don't know, it's been too long) who gets speared. So yeah. Christ allegory.

― hj, Friday, 30 September 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Desmond had the same logo on his polo shirt in the bleechers, when he said he was training for a race around the world.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 30 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

i looked at his shirt when he's training it looks like the logo of a soccer team or something.

― bingo (Chris V), Friday, 30 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Desmond = des mondes = "of the worlds."
Desmond = Deas-Mhumhan = "from south Munster."

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 30 September 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

OMG, check the banner here! Coincidence!?!?

http://static.flickr.com/26/48037976_73604fb131.jpg

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 30 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

rubbish!!

the same cliffhanger (re: jack/locke/kate/des/hatch), two weeks running!!!

I don't think the show has ever shown us something a whole episode ahead and, then, gone back, to before it, the next episode, has it?

I want to know how des reacts to jack--have we already seen him recognise him or not?

it was OK. this looks like it could be the beginning of the end, though--

people in cages and being held captive by people that we can see: dud

michael's flashback story is a bit weird/crap but so it michael

I don't think I really like any of them, though, so it's OK

how come no death, yet?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 30 September 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

pretty stupid, if all those mechanical things we heard and never saw and the weird black smoke thing and the sharks are all there (by dharma) to keep people from the bunker

you'd think that, after all that, they could have electrified the door knob or something, at least

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

there was no knob!

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

well, how much trouble is it to fit a knob?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

it's probably not the bunker they're trying to keep them away from. the bunker seems to be like a security station or something.

and no one has really mentioned the fact that the others had jin all tied up and shit. he muttered others. and we saw crazy dudes with spears.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

they def were zombie-like, weren't they?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

like all cockeyed and shit

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

aren't you friends with a nairn?

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― RJG (RJG), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

the others reminded me of that guy with the crinkled alien face on star trek. but i don't actually recall if they had anything resembling that. or battlestar galactica... ummm... not the right title. the travolta scientology movie thing.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

the others were just shadowy and dark and walking funny, yeah

battlefield earth

does your name have anything to with that "young earth" stuff?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

nope... buckminster fuller reference.

http://www.bfi.org/operating_manual.htm

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

"are you him?" = walt
I assumed that he meant "Are you the guy taking the next shift so that I can go home?"

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 30 September 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

If we can't figure this shit out by Wednesday we are REALLY going to be in the weeds.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 30 September 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

it was OK. this looks like it could be the beginning of the end, though

Pffft! My friends and I have decided that although it was fantastic before, it's just starting to get a new kind of brilliant.

― melton mowbray (adr), Friday, 30 September 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

I didn't, necessarily, mean it was the beginning of the end of it being good or something like that

I meant it was the beginning of the end of the show as we know it and I think I am right (big changes, next week)

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

you're always right RJG. so right it's just wrong.

― dahlin (dahlin), Saturday, 1 October 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

so now we have:

the sickness
the others
the hatch/desmond
the smokey mechanical monster
the numbers
the whispering voices
the sharks
the polar bears
dharma
people regaining use of their legs

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

not as plotty, as yours, but the black rock? the nigerian drug runners?

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh sorry RJG, in that case, yeah - completely OTM.

This week was the first one so far where we've watched the trailer/spoiler, and we all decided never to do it again. Guys with sticks cliffhanger was so much better than all that stuff they left us with afterwards.

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 1 October 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

the black rock
the nigerian drug runners
rousseau
alex
the pirates

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

108
push/don't push the button

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it is funny, thinking of the others and the pirates etc, now

it does kinda seem like there may be two or more GROUPS, on the island, other than the crash guys, when I thought, at first, that the pirates were just the others, that rousseau was warning of and who lit the smoke signal thing and stuff

now, there are other others, who look zombieish. are these people affected by the illness that rousseau and desmond talk about? I thought the illness was just making people evil, not weird and evil. are they people from the back of the plane? if these others are not the same as the pirate others, then there could still be an good kinda unknown quantity

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what is the 108? the number that desmond's computer indexed to?

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

108 is the span of minutes/hours(?) that desmond has to keep re-entering the numbers into the computer. it's also the sum of all the numbers. it was also written on the walls down in desmond's little apartment.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

4 8 15 16 23 42 = 108

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

I guess a lot or all of it comes down to desmond's purpose. perhaps the numbers are a supernatural recruiting device. once someone has locked onto them, the numbers change their destiny, to draw them to the island, to take up the next shift in the bunker (hurley, here). I think whoever said that leonard was working the previous shift, to desmond, is probably right. dunno how he would have got home, after his shift ended, though,...or why they would have bothered letting him go...

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ah-ha

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Yep, and the sum of the numbers. He had it written all over his walls in the bunker. (xpost!)

I assumed the disease was zombie-esque if only because of all the "I had to kill him, he was sick!" stuff, but the other night I just said "Oh, that must be the guys from the back of the plane". My friend suddenly piped up with "Oh no, don't be so stupid, they tied Jin up and got a whole posse together with sticks!". I really hope he's right.

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

could someone freeze-frame the cockeyed others

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

looking back, they don't look THAT zombieish!

just dark and kinda silent and moving slowly, not with weird walks, really, just over rocks

they have crazy-mad, big, impractical chibs, too!

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

what is a "chib"

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

what'shisface from first season definitely had zombie qualities, though.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

So Desmond hasn't gotten more than 108 minutes of uninterrupted sleep in 16 years?

1) I have a hard time believing that.
2) No wonder he's shooting up drogs.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Nah they really don't, do they? Perhaps it's my monitor, but they might as well be silhouettes.

http://patrick.uh-hosting.co.uk/cockeyed.jpg

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

didn't think I could do this but I can:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/RJG/lost.jpg

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boo

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

If these are the people from the back of the plane, then it's another Lord of the Flies parallel, with one group as savages with pointy sticks and another civilised group. Only in Lord of the Flies, it was the group led by Jack who were the savages.

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

rock hardy, desmond has NOT been there for 16 years!

remember he met jack, at the stadium, probably less than 5 years ago?

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Chib

Noun: A non-projectile weapon. May be blunt or sharp, can include razors, lead pipes, bits of wood with nails hammered in, Stanley knives, etc... . Possibly the main feature that these will have in common is that a chib is something which has been adopted for use as a weapon, possibly with ingenious modifications, rather than something originally designed for that purpose. So a survivalist knife with a 10-inch blade wi the wee jaggy bits (What ur they fur anyway?) is probably not a chib.

A crossbow or catapult is similarly not a chib. A Star Trek phaser is not a chib.
Probably connected to the word shiv.
Prounced Tchib
A chibbing is an attack from such an implement.

Verb: To employ a chib - usually against another human being, but often against a ned. One who has been subjected to attack with a chib is said to have been chibbed.

Examples: Hey, did ye see that pigeon chibbin that seagull wi the Irn Bru boattle?

Ah'm no sayin it's a rough pub, but if the chucker-oot frisks ye an disnae fun a chib, he gies ye wan!

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

wow they do have large "chibs"

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Cor, RJG, yours is very sharp. Are you watching a downloaded version, or is that from a TiVo or something? Or did you find a good frame with not much movement?

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

yeah, ethan was really weird but not a zombie. he had people convinced he was a crash guy. spent a while w/ locke, etc

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mine is a downloaded and I just took the second stopped frame I looked at. the file is about 350Mb, I dunno why it looks any better!

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it looks any better than yours, really

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

could we embed the horn noise in this thread?

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

it'd be good if we could imbed something that made black smoke come out of people's computers, when they open this thread

I don't know much about computers

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Haha, when I was a kid, black smoke came out of our Atari while I was playing it and I thought it was part of the game.

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

I have no TV and so have never seen this programme
And yet you read this whole thread! Dirty Vicar, You are "HIM!"

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 1 October 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

something interesting from a rolling stone article (it also had spoiler-ish seeming stuff that i avoided), you can find it here if you want to read it:

http://www.marx.se/?page_id=530

THEY’RE MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO
The Lost creators have often claimed they know where the show is going and that everything will ultimately add up. Well, the current creators, anyway. “There was absolutely no master plan on Lost,” insists David Fury, a co-executive producer last season who wrote the series’ two best episodes and is now a write-producer on 24. “Anybody who said that was lying.”

“On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story,” he continues cheerily. “They keep saying there’s meaning in everything, and I’m here to tell you no - a lot of things are just arbitrary. What I always tried to do was connect there random elements, to create the illusion that it was all adding up to something.”

Many plot elements were concocted on the fly, Fury says; for example, they didn’t know Hurley won the lottery until it came time to write his episode. “I don’t like to talk about when we come up with ideas,” Lidelof demurs. “It’s a magic trick. But we planned that plot: We seeded references to it in earlier episodes.” Fury disagrees. He says scenes with those references were filmed much later and inserted into earlier yet-to-air episodes: “It’s a brilliant trick to make us look smart. But doing that created a huge budget problem.”

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 1 October 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure Jin was saying OTTERS not OTHERS.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 2 October 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nature.com/news/2000/001228/images/udder_200.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 2 October 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Certainly not.

Otters are a bit like bears.

Pandas are not real bears.

Neither are udders.

QED

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 2 October 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

I luv U Leeeeeeee.

I second this heartily. That was a totally useless episode.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 2 October 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

I'm guessing a lot of #3 will follow Jin's POV during the timeline of #2 — getting back to the island, capture, escape. The shots of girlfight-girl in her bamboo cage will be as Jin is being put in there.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 2 October 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm telling you. Otters.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/albaalba/ilx/otterattack.jpg

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 2 October 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

If I said that's enough proof for me, I wouldn't be joking!

― melton mowbray (adr), Sunday, 2 October 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

The shots of girlfight-girl in her bamboo cage will be as Jin is being put in there.

I really hope there's a pole in the cage, and they make Jin dance on it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 2 October 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

I'm guessing a lot of #3 will follow Jin's POV during the timeline of #2 — getting back to the island, capture, escape.
I hope you're wrong, as that would be so much bullshit. They've wasted plenty of time in the other two eps and probably in this one (maybe we can get 20 mins of Jin and Girlfighter bitching at each other without understanding a word), it should have been one episode. Two at the max.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 2 October 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

I hope I'm wrong too, but it would be consistent with the show's slow reveals. They could have loads of screen time for the "others," making it look like a lot is happening; meanwhile, get Kate in position to pounce on Desmond; back at camp, Charlie hears the call of the Virgin; and at the end of it all, we're at the very same spot we were an hour ago.

I kinda admire this series for being able to do that.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 2 October 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

If you want some clue as to what happens in the next episode (a page of the script) go to http://www.oceanicflight815.com/, click on the little barcode at the bottom and enter the code theislandiswaiting.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 2 October 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

And if you want more spoilers, have a look at the promo photos for forthcoming episodes here .

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 2 October 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

Well naturally, once you have pirates and (nano?)robots there's only one thing missing...

― Dan I., Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

oh wait, one thing other than ninjas and monkeys I guess

― Dan I., Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

That script page might be a red polar bear, of course.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

I don't think that script page is for the next episode. #206 would indicate season 2, episode 6. The photos at lost-media are very tantalizing. For one thing, in episode 4, Kate appears to be eating a plate of flaming shit.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

I'd kind've be disappointed if that script page wasn't fake!

― Dan I., Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

the ninth rule of the actual forthcoming episodes of lost club is we do not talk about the actual forthcoming episodes of lost

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

Yes, we want to be surprised when Kate actually eats the flaming shit.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 2 October 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

I'd be kind of disappoined if we weren't all eating flaming shit ight now.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

that mention of the Third Policeman sold as many for Dalkey Archive Press as it normally sells of that title in five years.

I've been rereading it, and am now convinced it's a red herring too. Now betting that only a tangential relationship to get people to read an old favorite and create a feel of arcane depth.

― badgerminor (badgerminor), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Countdown to mad copropyrophagia and Chunky Monkey. Let's get this sucker to the top of the pile.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Well, massive delays because of the ball game. That's okay. We can wait up. GO SOX. (Red).

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Oy gott, they're not going to preempt it entirely this week, are they?

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

On at 11:30. Have some tea.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

11:30 whose time?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

My experience w/ JJ ABramsC shows is that if there's some national sporting event that cuts into the normal time slot of a show, it gets booted to next week entirely, even if the game's over for PST peoples like me.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

well they've been advertising it as on tonight all week.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

beth, are you ok? according to my schedule, we have george lopez on at 8 and 8:30. then... LOST.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

WHY I HATE THE RED SOX: AN ESSAY BY DAN PERRY (age 32)

Fuck you, Red Sox. Fuck you for pre-empting my favorite show. Fuck you sideways. Fuck you raw. Fuck you in the ear. Fuck you in the left nostril; make the right one jealous. Fuck you in one eye socket and out the other. Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you.

The End

(PS: Seriously, FUCK YOU.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

so wait, it isn't on at all?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

PEOPLE. IT'S ON. CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS. GOD.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

okay, if you say so. phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

I looked at my local listings. They say "HAHA BASEBALL, MOTHERFUCKER".

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

my t.v. sez baseball till 10 and then invasion :(

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

oh well, sucks for you, west coast!

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

and new england!

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

nyc tri-state area is golden.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

do they do that? show it in one part of the country only? there oughta be a law.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

hey, wait, i'm in new england. is my t.v. a liar?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

oh well, sucks for you, west coast, and new england!

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

How is the Red Sox game being shown on ABC? I thought Fox had exclusive playoff rights or somesuch.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

yeah, what's going on? i smell a conspiracy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

it's some sort of espn deal. their logo is on my t.v. on abc.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't know. The ABC Lost site says 9:00, so better keep your eye on things. More people think 11:35, which is weird 'cos it's not even the same channel as the game.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

HOLYSHIT, Beth, do you have regular cable? it's on channel 22 WLNE. that's the abc channel that i never watch. no baseball!!!! just george lopez's sweet sweet face!

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)

feel free to come over if you don't get it. do you have satellite? i forget.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

We have a houseful of LOST addicts and hot meat pies that just came out of the oven, so we're not too portable. Also some baseball nuts are here. Chicago just gained on us. Tension you could cut with a pruning saw. We'll watch the 11:35 LOST.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

Muaha ha ha the chaos I have caused! Take that, inferior taste!

Listings have been wrong before. Mine sez it's still on at 9pm. But the thing is, when such circumstances arise, if one major market doesn't get it, none of them get it, even the West Siiide which would otherwise dodge the temporal bullet.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

my lost is starting at 9PM, no matter what.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
Why you so mean to us?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

HOLY SHIT!IT'S ON!!!!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

Because I am a petty and resentful ~~man~~ diva.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

peg bundy!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Naa naa na naaah we got LOST anyway.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

holy fuck.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

"we're going to have to watch that again."

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

yeah.

― Bob Loblaw (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

Better than last week, but the Locke/Jack faceoff at the end was horrible.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

it made sense though. or else locke would be the only one who gave a fuck about pressing the button.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

dumb episode.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

No way that episode was great. (though how stupid were those guys in the pit)

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

I thought this week's ep was the weakest so far, though I still liked it a lot. It just feels too artificial how far they take Jack's FAITH SUX!!!!! thing, though I guess it's retarded to hold artifice against a show like this.

― Bob Loblaw (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

that episode was almost too much for me to take in. the turn of the screw. yet another Oz cast member. that movie. peg from married with children. ai yi yi.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

I guess it is kind've lame how everybody on the entire fucking island is shouting-at-the-screen stupid except for Sayid.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

The Locke/Jack faceoff made sense, but in the paint-by-numbers way the writers are trying to make their BIG THEMES explicit. It read as completely false, 'how can we shoehorn some Jack-faith moments in here'? Why did Kate step in?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

jack is going through some shit, bro. cut him some slack.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

That the show is such a tease takes some of the drama out - you knew they weren't going let the clock run out. No way questions would actually be answered. And then they're going to have the predictable food fight when news gets out to the castaways.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

haha, hurley's going to pull a fat guy

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

they didn't answer questions? that film strip answered a whole fucking shitload of questions.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

"No way questions would actually be answered."

uh did you miss the long Orientation movie or what?

― Bob Loblaw (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

xpost

― Bob Loblaw (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

I was disappointed with this one. The ueberdrama of to push or not push the button -- I couldn't take it seriously. "Take a leap of faith, Jack" Gimme a break. I usually LOVE this show. I'm bummed.

Having Fight Girl turn out to be one of the udders almost made up for it, though. Whaaa?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE WANT ANSWERS AND THEN YOU GET THEM IN A NICE POST-META-DELIVERY BY AN ASIAN MAN AND YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

there was an "incident"!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was made pretty clear that the incident involved an anomalous electromagnetic field native to the island which acted up as a result of mucking about by the Dharma project or whatever it's called (also all this is the result of two hippy psych grad students! I knew it!!!)

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

I truly loved the film, especially all its clips - polar bears! Grad students "hard at work"! Concerned scientists! I enjoyed the episode and even though they did push the button, I was still really glad they didn't play that fucking song again (which I'm not even going to name to save everyone the agony of having it stuck in their heads again.)

I wonder if "saving the world" is literal or just some hippie talk that got misinterpreted...

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

You mean the orientation movie that tells you this is Armageddon Island, but might actually be Not Really, Just Kidding Island? And the super-dramatic beeping at the end... that you knew was just going to be unresolved, because we can't let you know if it's actually Psych Island of Boom-Boom Island.

On the one hand, it's kind of annoying the way they fuck with the audience just to do so - on the other, it's entertaining to see how much we'll eat it up.

I don't think those are the 'others' (as referred to by crazy Frenchie), they're a group from the tail of the plane. "Shaft" is probably the woman from the first season's husband.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

That was an xpost to those saying the orientation answered questions. It didn't - it created new questions and scrambled the other questions up a little bit.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

so you don't now know why there were polar bears on the island?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

you don't know who put the hatch there?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

you don't know how desmond got there?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

oh, totally right re: "Shaft"!

Is there a Lost drinking game? Because Sawyer sure gets punched a lot. And Jack and Locke get into the faith thing a lot. People get bloody, someone pulls a gun, someone runs into the jungle, someone has a vision, etc, etc. I would not make it past the half-hour mark...

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

you don't know what dharma is?

xpost

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Questions were answered, for sure, Cutty otm. But do we really want the bigger answers yet? I just want more tv.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

no, i am completely satisfied with that episode! i am only wondering if milo was watching a different show.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

www.thehansofoundation.org

Doesn't answer a damn thing, but it's pretty cool.

― Camtron (Cameron), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

The bears are still unexplained - that shot wasn't necessarily footage of that particular island. And that means the writers were just fucking with the viewers in regard to Walt (comic book, toy polar bear). Which means that they could be fucking with you on...

I didn't really care about Desmond or the hatch, I just assumed they were going to be plot points to make the Island's 'mystery' more arcane.

No questions answered unless the questions just lead to more questions. This makes me believe the former writer/producer even more - the writers are taking you for a ride. Which is fine, when dialogue is snappy and I care about the characters and there's some interesting drama inherent in being stranded on a deserted island. But the dialogue has always been crap and they've failed completely on the last two qualities this season.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

who cares where the shot of the bears were from?

they were acknowledging that there were many types of different animals put on the island by dharma for research/experiments.

that sir, is an answer.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

I would seriously enjoy this show more if the end had been a real surprise: either the countdown finishes and Jack smirks like Dubya after an eighball, or they all run away as the countdown finishes and the tunnel explodes along with all the weapons and foodstuffs.

xpost - Cutty, how do you know anything about that film showed was true? And if you agree that the shot of the bears wasn't necessarily this island, how does it answer the question they've been playing around with for 20 episodes about their existence and Walt's involvement?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

it DOESN'T answer THAT further question, but it certanly answers HOW the polar bears got there.

so you wanted the series to end right there then? third episode into the second season, you wanted jack to be right, end scene, or everything blows up, end scene?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

that would be great

― kurt broder (dr g), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

there are like 21 more episodes to this season, right?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

21 more episodes of milo getting no answers!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

Everything doesn't have to blow up, just that section of the island.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

the more this show frustrates milo, the more i love it!

― Bob Loblaw (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

I've been lurking on ILX forever (well, 4 years, maybe). This thread may finally bring me out of my lurking-hole, because I'm obsessed with this show, and, sadly, NONE of my friends watch it.

I agree with previous comments that this episode was unsatisfying overall, though one thing I always have to say about the show is at least lots of stuff happens every week. I was happy to have a Locke backstory, rather than a Jack or Kate one, even though it didn't really go anywhere.

Anyway, hello, fellow Lost fanatics.

― nory (nory), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:00 (twenty years ago)

I will be your friend, Nory.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Aw, thanks, Leeeeeeeee.

― nory (nory), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

xpost

I have to depart from my fellow hater, milo, however. In a show like this, cliffhanger to cliffhanger, there *has* to be questions laying beneath the answers to previous questions. It's the engine of serials. (See also: X-Files.) I agree with the necessary qualities to make something like this work, though, and I'll add on the caring about the characters. It's very indicative that the show makes such obvious heroes and villains -- take wossface's evil dad. "I thought it was funny at first, but now it's just annoying." There's no attempt at human depth, and every supporting character (and perhaps all characters as well, though one can't say definitively because such a point, taken to its extreme, is impossible to quantify objectively) is or has become a total cartoon, which is characterization that works more in pro wrestling and reality tv than in drama.

"No, no, it can't be this simple."
"Yes it can."

Peg Bundy sums it up right there. Which reiterates why the flashbacks are a waste of time and energy. More island voodoo, please.

So I guess I'm actually agreeing with milo, though I enjoyed this episode the most. Things happened!

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

The X-Files, though, paid off fairly often - whether that was answering a question, solving a subplot, or merely expanding something in the characters interaction (total benefit of having likable, believable, well-drawn characters: you can use them to treat the audience).

Lost needs more 'Monster of the Week' eps rather than making the mythology absolute and central. The episodes where two characters would wander off into the woods and bullshit (Kate and Sawyer playing 'I Never') were the best.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nndb.com/people/629/000061446/mclaughlin-john-crop.jpg
WRONG!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

You anticipated what I was going to say, which was that creators of serials need to imagine the questions/answers as a kind of debit account. Every time a question of a given value is invoked, there needs to be an answer of either the same or just a little less value. This debiting can be confined to one episode or it accumulate over many episodes if there's a mythology being built up.

In the case of Lost, I think that Monster of the Week episodes won't really work; instead, my proposal for saving the show: answer the big questions, but then posit a brand new myth-building question, and dick around with that for another season and a half.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

of course they put the polar bears there... the freaky shark thing had the dharma logo. isn't that answer enough?

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

JIN SPEAKS ENGLISH

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

although I don't think that was real

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:47 (twenty years ago)

I want to hear the crazy analog keyboard soundtrack song from the Orientation film again! There's one for the YSI thread...

― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

I LOVE the orientation film!
Jack has always been a squinty-eyed putz. Maybe he and Desmond will run away together.
Last night was worth it if only for Hurley's "Dude!!!" upon glimpsing the bunker goodies.
The thing that frustrated me was this. I'm a landscaper. I dig a lot of holes. Now—that deadfall pit IS NOT HEWN OUT OF GRANITE, PEOPLE!!!!! IT'S A HOLE IN THE DIRT!!!!
TUNNEL OUT SIDEWAYS!!!! Duh. I woulda been out of there in five minutes. Dirt woulda been flying from my industrious dogpaws.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

And Kate and Girlfighter have to have a mudwrestling match. Just to keep Leeeeeeeeeee and Milo from defecting to that model show.
And Dan, you better apologize for all that Tom Cruise-style shit you said about the Sox. Look what you made happen!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

more and more i find myself hoping that jack is the one who gets killed off. he's gone from irritating to insufferable.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I think if I was a doctor and had built up my whole career on rationality and so on, and then THIS happened to me, I would probably become fairly insufferable too. Especially if I was, for the first three months, expected to lead everyone and provide answers to every problem, and then everyone just turned their backs on rationality and started to believe in some sort of hoodoo magic man instead. I still find it interesting that Locke bases a lot of his faith in the island's power on the fact that he regained the use of his legs, something that could, possibly, have a rational medical explanation if only we knew what had caused his legs to stop working in the first place (could have been psychosomatic, who knows?), so he has information that Jack doesn't have and he isn't prepared to share it, which I think makes him quite insufferable as well. I can't stand people who pull that whole "I have a secret and I'm not telling you what it is" thing.
Not that I think Jack is the greatest guy ever or anything (no, that would be Sayid) but give him a break.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

oh, totally right re: "Shaft"!
I was kind of falling asleep so I didn't catch his accent, but couldn't he be one of the Nigerian drugrunners?

I'm also amused at the panic over SPORTS last night. Last night's episode is the first I've ever watched as it aired on American telly (I'm in Mountain View! It's really dull here!) and I experienced none of that panic. However, I was rightly fucked off to find no House on till November 1st. I blame SPORTS for that too.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

I missed the first two episodes of this season. I've also skimmed most of this thread because I've been busy catching up on the first season. I am now fully committed to the cause.

I, for one, wish that Stuff would stop Happening and that they'd settle into the "hanging out on the island" groove of the first season. Sure, Stuff has to Happen, and I want to know what the fuck is up with Fight Girl and the Possible Others and the like, but let's cool it out a bit, huh? Less shouting. Shouting and screaming is why Charlie and Claire, respectively, have fallen on my I Like You scale. Let's get back to "I never." Let's get back to Hurley being fat.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Also: FIGHT GIRL WAS SITTING IN SEAT 42!!!!

Not sure if that's been mentioned before, but: !!!

Do we know what seat Jack was in? Any theories as to why the fuck he was in the jungle instead of on the beach?

Also: B.F. Skinner. John Locke. Rousseau.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

hurley's about to get fatter. they should only allow who is doing a shift at the computer to eat the food in the hatch as an incentive.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

I think nothing would happen if they stopped typing the numbers. That's why last night's episode was not that suspenseful for me.

Actually, maybe by keeping the machine going they're keeping themselves unfound. Maybe the electromagnetic effect is what keeps the place shrouded in invisibility to the outside world.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Beth, what do you mean "defecting to that model show"? I'm already a firmly entrenched fan of it! Not that it goes head to head with Lost.

Most important improvement of this episode: the return of the funny!

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

And Dan, you better apologize for all that Tom Cruise-style shit you said about the Sox. Look what you made happen!

I know! Isn't it great!

HOORAY END OF BASEBALL SEASON!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

xpost: Jack was in seat 23! This is mentioned in the Season One ep where he flirts with Ana Lucia in the airport bar.

― ng-unit, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

jack was in row 23 actually, same as rose. i think those are the only characters who had row numbers corresponding to those numbers.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

'I can't stand people who pull that whole "I have a secret and I'm not telling you what it is" thing.'

see: why I hate Kate.

backtracking a little, did anyone have a persephone moment when Kate ate that candy bar in ep 2? she's gonna have to stay with the lord of the underworld now!!

― Bob Loblaw (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Good thing she didn't eat the whole thing.

OR DID SHE. She's so full of secrets. It's bewitching.

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

She'll either have to stay with the lord of the underworld... or maybe she'll just get fat.

The show has been suffering from a severe lack of Sayid and the blonde girl.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Blonde girl Shannon is the blah!

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

HOORAY END OF BASEBALL SEASON!
Not yet, Danny boy.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Milo. If there isn't more Sayid soon... well, let's just say there's still such a thing as a strongly-worded letter to The Times.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

sayid fixed the computer!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

50 cent in episode 3??

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

sayid fixed the computer!

Yes, but he was wearing clothes.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

I found ONE thing frustrating about the last 3 episodes: Jack, Kate, Desmond left through the "FRONT DOOR", Kate, Sayid, Hurley returned through the "FRONT DOOR", like, okay motherfuckers, at least SHOW US this goddamned "FRONT DOOR".

Is the reason no on has mentioned on this thread that the two grad students who spearheaded the project are probably now the skeletons Locke called "our very own Adam and Eve" that had the black and white stones in their pockets that Jack took and still has told NO ONE about ("best discretion") because nobody else thought of that, or because it seems so friggin blatant!?!

The "we're going to have to watch that again" thing...such a not-at-all-subtle dig on LOST fans LIKE ME.

Things that excite me, glimpsed momentarily in the "next week on LOST" bit: the return of ROSE! (as portrayed by L. Scott Caldwell!), Abedisi gots more LINES!, Charlie confronting Locke about "secrets"!

As far as flashbacks are going: it seems that, now that they understand how popular the series is and how they have to sustain character mythologies for years now, that they are possibly now not trying to pay off flashback episodes with such regularity, and are instead setting up later payoffs? Fr'instance, Katey Segal played HELEN, right? I guarantee you guys this is not the "HELEN" he was talking to on the phone, and they are setting up a future EXTREME tragedy involving Pegg, possibly the same tragedy what takes his LEGS.

Also, now there are both Desmond AND teh Rousseau roaming the island. Future guest appearances ahoy!

― nickalicious is just checking in, Friday, 7 October 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

Nickalicious! Don't ever tell me what it says on the next week on Lost bits! I don't watch them because I don't want the spoilage!

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 7 October 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

At this point I think the island has a higher population density than Mississippi.

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Friday, 7 October 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

they should just call lost "SIGNS: THE TV SHOW"

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 7 October 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

I don't like 50 cent

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 7 October 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)

in da hatch

― bingo (Chris V), Friday, 7 October 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

Nickalicious! Don't ever tell me what it says on the next week on Lost bits! I don't watch them because I don't want the spoilage!

I'm so glad I'm not the only one! I leg it out of the room with my fingers in my ears while my friends watch it. Fortunately they're real gents too and don't shout what they saw as soon as I got back in the room.

Fortunately, reading Nickalicious' post, it didn't sink in as a spoiler like it would seeing the video of it. It's terrible watching the next episode and thinking "aha, I've seen this before!" a la clips from films used in the trailers.

― melton mowbray (adr), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

the skeletons Locke called "our very own Adam and Eve" that had the black and white stones in their pockets that Jack took and still has told NO ONE about
I don't remember this. Were they in the Black Rock? Maybe I missed an episode. Maybe I'm missing some brain cells. What episode was it?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

It was the first time they found the Cave (of Unfulfilled Portents and Tiresome Plot Exposition).

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Okay. I vaguely remember. Through a glass drunkly. So Jack took Go pieces? Why doesn't he share. Golf gets old. HAS gotten old, seeing as there have been no recent golf flare-ups.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

!!!!!!!

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/dharma.html

― howell huser (chaki), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was leaving that as the surprise.

WHO? WHAT? HOW? WHY?

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

YAWN

― howell huser (chaki), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Domain ID:D107709943-LROR
Domain Name:HANSOFOUNDATION.ORG
Created On:06-Oct-2005 02:43:27 UTC
Last Updated On:06-Oct-2005 03:16:21 UTC
Expiration Date:06-Oct-2006 02:43:27 UTC

That website was created yesterday.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

That's the point, Jack!.Er, Maria! Why can't you believe?!?

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 8 October 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

Never trust U of M students to create your dystopias!

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Saturday, 8 October 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what to say, about this episode

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 8 October 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

Not knowing what to say hasn't stopped the rest of us. Go ahead.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 9 October 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

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― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 9 October 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

Now that's Klingon.

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Sunday, 9 October 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

was the close camera shot of Desmond's copy of "The Third Policeman" the source of the fuss about the connection between Lost and that book or a smart ass reference to it?

I think, if anything, the third episode has threatened to reveal too much! But I suspect that it will now backflip and things which it seemed to reveal will not be quite as they seem, I suppose. As Milo suggests, are that group actually the others or just the other guys from the flight?

Did anyone else find it kind of irritating that at the end of E2, the guys with the clubs on the beach looked gaunt and shadowey, as seen in RJG's picture above, and at the start of E3, the sun was shining and they looked like a bunch of people.

I was enjoying their zombified features, plus was one of them wearing a Michael Myers style hockey mask???

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

was the close camera shot of Desmond's copy of "The Third Policeman" the source of the fuss about the connection between Lost and that book or a smart ass reference to it?

it can't be both?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

my feeling is like ronan's: ep 3 gave us too much

not what I have come to expect

the training film and seeing a few other people, even if we now know that they are just the untrusting people from the back of the plane

when what's-her-chops sees jack, I suppose, she will convince them to believe

will desmond be back or keep running? all that training, he did--maybe he'll just keep going. the "brother"s were annoying

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 10 October 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

-----Original Message-----
From: SOMEONE IN MY OFFICE
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:17 PM
To: EVERYONE ELSE IN MY OFFICE
Subject: Delete if you don't watch "Lost"

Forgive the intrusion, but did anyone tape the 9-28 episode of "Lost" and if so, may I borrow it? Thanks.

― Magin Johnson's magical AIDS thrfit store (dr g), Monday, 10 October 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

that shit was confidential, bro.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 10 October 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

http://www.website-reviewer.com/freehost/lost/others.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

that better turn out to be a joke or you're in trouble

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

Haha, that's awesome.

Good episode thus far.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Thursday, 13 October 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

Rose's husband is HOLLAND MANNERS?

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 13 October 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

"Hey Starla, the Hold Steady is playing at the Troubadour on Saturday..."

― Gogi Ormsby-Gore (Arthur), Thursday, 13 October 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

hurley at a hold steady show? what was hurley listening to in his discman last season when the batteries ran out?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

Holy Shit! The Others steal Sawyer's car!

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/ap/20051013/112921416000.html

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Dude, that episode sorta sucked.

I'm more interested in what's happening with Sawyer et al than with the big dumb hatch.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Starla was the girl from "Wet Hot American Summer" and I love her and I also am a fat guy who wants to go to see The Hold Steady with her.

― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

So, did the Super Magnet pull the plane to the island? And if it isn't controlled with the button will it pull EVERY OTHER PLANE IN THE WORLD onto the island? Lucky those bunkers are so sturdy. So what is Jack's key for, other than Demonstrating the Might of the Magnet? Were we ever told? I wish the magnet was a little stronger so it would grab that key and choke him.
What's with the Others' lame dead-end bunker? That's not such a comfy home. Girlfighter is a shitty interior decorator. I don't get why Sawyer didn't slug her. He had lots of chances. She wasn't ALWAYS pointing the gun at him. They'll end up falling passionately in love. Those two, and Jack&Desmond. Gay people are rather under-represented on the show, like not represented AT ALL. How are they getting away with that?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

the key is for the gun briefcase, duh.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, duh.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

That was ok episode, because of funny! Yay Sawyer!

Didn't we see Rose's husband last year on the plane? And wasn't he a thin, balding black guy? Not Arzt, Jr.?

I just realized -- Kate : Lost :: Von : Alias.

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

I don't think we saw him. He was in the bathroom.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Didn't we see Rose's husband last year on the plane? And wasn't he a thin, balding black guy? Not Arzt, Jr.?

for some reason, i thought this too.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

the key is for the gun briefcase, duh.
-- cutty (holle...), October 13th, 2005.

Yeah, duh.
-- giboyeux (in....), October 13th, 2005.

Excuuuuuuse the fuck outta me for not paying closer attention.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

And those guys aren't "The Others."

If anyone has the DVDs - someone told me that the Dharma logo is on the plane in Ep. 1 of S1. Truth?

― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabularasa5302gv.jpg

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Neat! Is that photo-shopped?

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

I just realized -- Kate : Lost :: Von : Alias.

Spoiler! Kate killed her father.

Or maybe that's a big fat duh, but I just thought of it. Wouldn't that make perfect sense? All the best cowboys have daddy issues, after all. And they'll have to have some justification for it, to make her still sympathetic. I'm going with "daddy touched me."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 13 October 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

TOTALLY!

although, if that proves to be true, kenan, I'm going to kill you.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 13 October 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

I must admit, that was my thought about it once I'd seen the episode with Kate and the doctor/ex-boyfriend flashback. Initially I had thought maybe it was him she was claiming she had 'killed', but she was wanted by the police prior to that so I guess that was a deliberate red herring. But there are hints towards abuse by her dad in the tape she listened to, and also when Kate says "even if I explained, I'd still go to prison" (paraphrasing, but I took from it that she thought she could survive the initial charge, because of extremee justification, but that she'd have to plead guilty to later things like the robberies) when she switches places with Sawyer on the raft. I'm guessing she fell out with her mother because she (the mum) wasn't prepared to believe her husband was capable of the things Kate was accusing him of and 'took sides'.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 14 October 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)

Not photoshopped.

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/televisao/news/arquivo_x/mulder_scully2.jpg http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/televisao/news/arquivo_x/mulder_scully2.jpg http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/televisao/news/arquivo_x/mulder_scully2.jpg

― one eye white, one eye black (FE7), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

And those guys aren't "The Others." They're the other others.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

What we have here is the manifestation of Lacan's petit objet a (in English, "little o other") put into subtle contradistinction with the big O Others. Of course, the Others, given their position in the Symbolic realm as the pre-existing Law of the island, have proven to signify the Name of the Father, which leaves the other others/girlfight as the object of desire, the maternal phallic signifier that is separate and therefore other to the subject.

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Is it just me or is psychoanalysis a real threadkiller?

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

no, it's not that. there isn't much to say about the last episode.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Testify, brother Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

And while we're on whack tangents, I'll just mention that one of my favorite versions of Aguas de Março/Les Eaux de Mars is on Georges Moustaki's album "Je Suis un Autre."

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

blimey

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

this show got BETTER

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

I loved episode 4 but then I am a big sopster. Not enough to be interested in stupid peanut butter stories, but yeah, less driving forward of plot, more Hurley is fine by me. And I liked that music at the end.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

I agree completely

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Also, Sawyer finding someone new to bristle with was terrific. "I say 'jump', you sa–" "You first". Cracking.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

That naughty schoolboy thing too.

"I thought I said no talking"

"He was talking to me first!"

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

Ummm... So, are the people from the back of the plane eating each other? And if so... why?

― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Saturday, 15 October 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

We missed this on Wednesday, but it only cost two bucks to download from the iTunes store. Just got finished watching it. I'm looking forward to the big Sawyer-Girlfightgirl battle royal.

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

you can download tv shows from itunes?

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

As of this week, yes. (With iTunes 6.) Apple has done a deal with Disney for ABC tv shows and Pixar shorts, and there are some music videos, but still pretty slim pickings.

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

"Ummm... So, are the people from the back of the plane eating each other? And if so... why?"

I think the missing people got "The Sickness".

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, that's right. It's for your new video iPod.

ex-y post-y.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 15 October 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

Are the other Others who kidnapped Walt and killed most of the people from the back of the plane affected by the illness that the bunker dude was afraid of? Maybe it's a 28 days later type of thing.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 15 October 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

driveshaft? SUCK-shaft more like

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 15 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Are the other Others who kidnapped Walt and killed most of the people from the back of the plane affected by the illness that the bunker dude was afraid of?
We don't know if the the Jolly Roger Others killed them or if they ate each other, do we? Probably the former, which is why Girlfighter has declared martial law.
I'm glad Hurley and his friend made fun of the driveshaft song. Before then I was worried that the show producers actually LIKED it. You All Everybody? Duh.
Also duh: having someone say that the magnet thing hurt their fillings. Who has steel fillings?
I'm gonna suck on a fridge magnet and see what happens.
I love LOST. This is constructive criticism.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 15 October 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

I think the idea was that whatever electromagnetic force the thing behind the concrete wall is producing is so strong that it affects even things that are not very magnetic. They mentioned how the key around dude's neck was made of titanium or something and yet it still got all floaty near the wall.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 16 October 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if that constitutes good hard sci-fi or not. Probably not.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 16 October 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Good enough for me. I'm a girl.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 16 October 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

but what about the guy in the chicken suit? very Shining moment.

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was the bar Sayid was using to bang at the concrete that was made out of titanium.

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

The key being titanium is ringing a faint little bell in my brain, although why it would be is a mystery. That marshall clearly didn't get it cut at the local Ace Hardware store. I must have heard wrong. Sayid WAS holding the bar during that scene. Why was he slamming at the concrete? I wasn't clear on that.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

He just wants to know what's back there.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

(another reason Sayid is the best character, his curiousities match the audience's)

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

He was trying to BUST ON THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIIIIDE.

I'm betting some serious nuclear voodoo went down on the island (remember "Chernobyl"? Member?) and that whacked things almost to death so they poured sement on it, yeah?

Also Sayid is the hottie.

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm in favor of pouring cement on anything that bothers you.
Dodgy of Desmond to run off without explaining the vaccine. We heard a lot about the button, not enough about the sickness. They need to hunt him down so Sayid can put the thumbscrews to him.
Did anyone watch Primetime the other night about how none of the college nuke plants are guarded? There's one at MIT with just a ratty chain-link fence around it.
Off-topic, but I was just thinking about the academics in the orientation movie.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

The bar Sayid had was made out of titanium - that was a good thing, since otherwise it would have stuck to the wall when he hit it.

xpost - I saw an article on that (not for MIT), but it didn't seem to be a big deal as the types and amounts of material school reactors deal with weren't enough to make any kind of weapon.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Sunday, 16 October 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

Also duh: having someone say that the magnet thing hurt their fillings.

It was "feelings", I think. The electromagnetic field offended them in some way. I don't know why. It's a mystery.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 16 October 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

Sayid is the hottie.

I really liked this episode. I like Hurley flashbacks, I like lots of stuff happening in the present. I am also pleased that the writers have a good enough sense of pace to know that they've spent too long on the David Mamet style conflict between Locke and Jack and the needle on the record and they needed to break that tension. This was particularly brought home to me when I saw the needle approach the surface of the record and I thought, oh no, it's that bloody song again. But it wasn't. A device which worked well in Groundhog Day and has worked well here too.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 16 October 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

Sayid is the hottie, but Hurley is the best. I wish they'd let him have a love life—say, steal Claire away from the junkie hobbit. Maybe Charlie will get into the madonna stash and start singing his terrible song and Danielle will emerge from the jungle to garrote him because she likes Hurley better because he gave her a hug. I love Rose, too. The island needs a therapist. Her talking Hurley out of destroying the food was great, one of those devil-on-one-shoulder, angel-on-the-other situation. Too bad that the scriptwriters didn't feel equal to the task of figuring out what she would say to make that happen.
But maybe there were sexual favors involved.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 16 October 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

You're this close to writing fanfic, Beth.

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

Shit. I AM a loser.
I was afraid of that.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

still going OK

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

I wish they'd let him have a love life—say, steal Claire away from the junkie hobbit. Maybe Charlie will get into the madonna stash and start singing his terrible song and Danielle will emerge from the jungle to garrote him because she likes Hurley better because he gave her a hug.

See, I love Lost, but I'd love it ten times as much if they hired you as a writer.

― melton mowbray (adr), Sunday, 16 October 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

this one was a bit flat but I guess they can't have massive revelations every week.

not many horror moments in it this time around, except the initial weirdness of hurley's dream and jin speaking English, which sadly turned out to be a dream!

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

I liked it when hurley opened boxes and found plates of meals and desserts and stuff

is this the first proper dream sequence we've had?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

"is this the first proper dream sequence we've had?"

claire had a crazy one right before ethan rom stole her baby

― gang grape (Adrian Langston), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

or stole her.

― gang grape (Adrian Langston), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

did we see her dream properly or was it just...like...I dunno?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

there was also locke's dream/vision of boone getting killed.

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

does anyone else really hate the girl who keeps punching people, what an annoying 2-d character. ok we get it she is tough, so so tough, until the eventual revelations about her difficult life just prior to her sleeping with Sawyer/dying.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

I can't stand her. They can reveal whatever they want, but I'm still going to cheer when somebody cleans her clock.

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

she is annoying, yes

"don't talk" *punch* "let's go" *punch* "do as I say" *punch*

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

those other two dream/visions were more prophetic than hurley's straight-up dream sequence though, it seems...

xp yeah, ana lucia doesn't seem to have much to her other than her penchant for violence. eh.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

She looks and acts just like my old babysitter, who used to punch me if I did anything that annoyed her (which was something like once every 5-10 minutes). So yes, she annoys me and I want Adebisi or Sawyer or SOMEBODY to smack her one.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

michelle rodriguez needs to break out of the girlfight typecast corner. she should play nixon

― one eye white, one eye black (FE7), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

They'd just have her punch out Archibald Cox.

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Also, Boone's drugged up dream sequence of Shannon getting chomped!

― melton mowbray (adr), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

"SOMEBODY to smack her one."

Kate will smack her! Yay, Kate!

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 16 October 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Claire will peanut-butter wrestle her!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 16 October 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

Beth, you're obviously not getting enough porn in your life.

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

Claire/Girlfight slash I endorse. Get cracking, Parker!

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 17 October 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

Claire goes to the Gun Case Lagoon to bathe. Disrobes, wades in. Girlfight suddenly emerges from beneath the water BECAUSE SHE IS ALSO BATHING. Threatened, Girlfight tackels Claire. Fight, wrestling, etc. Kate, hearing the ruckus (bcz she's nearby), runs to the scene and jumps into the fray.

Lez up.

― giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 17 October 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

unfortunately, for you lot, as beth already noted, the island's strange magnetic thing doesn't allow for any form of homosexuality

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 October 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

maybe there should be another thread for your sick fan-fiction?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 17 October 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

http://bigspaceship1.com/

Someone has linked this site to ABC, despite their valiant efforts to mask it. Decompiling the swf is... recommended.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

that site makes noise for 30 seconds....then nothing happens.

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

what does the morse code say in the title of the page?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

"ana-lucia has a cock."

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

IN GIRUM IMUS NOCTE ET CONSUMIMUR IGNI

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

We turn in a circle in the night and are consumed by the fire

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Someone has linked this site to ABC, despite their valiant efforts to mask it. Decompiling the swf is... recommended.

Care to share what's in there (or how I'd go about this without a copy of Flash)?

― melton mowbray (adr), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

WHAT DOES IT SAY, KENAN? THE FLASH, I MEAN.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

i said what it means above.

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Oh. The morse. I thought maybe they were different.

Nevermind.

THEORY: The bunkers are actually spaceships? The crazy electromagnetism is actually the product of a large SPACESHIP ENGINE?

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

oops, my mistake. im not sure if the flash says anything. i just decoded the morse code. sorry for the mix up.

i hope its not space ship related.

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

me too...

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

Lots of discussion here:

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=16419

This thread started a couple weeks ago, so not all the stuff they're talking about and linking to is still there.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Near the bottom of this page is a bunch of zipped files that have been extracted from the flash over the past couple weeks.

Something about... rodents? Meeting at a bar in Paris? Strange things afoot.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I guess a link would be nice.

http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=16419&page=28

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

can anyone else here singing or chanting below the buzzing sound on that web-page, faintly if not maybe just implied?

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Yep, chanting was my first though actually. You know like that Buddhist monk chanting that used to be in Microsoft Encarta that the Beastie Boys sampled in "Bodhisattva Vow" (I'm pretty sure they didn't get it from Microsoft Encarta)?

― melton mowbray (adr), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

i have flash. how do i access a site to decompile it?

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Oddly, Flash no longer comes with an swf decompiler. You have to download one separately. Just Google something free.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Datta. Dayadhvam. Damyata.
Shantih shantih shantih

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

i have flash. how do i access a site to decompile it?

What's up there now isn't all that interesting. Maybe some hidden stuff in the image, if you mess with it in Photoshop. Nothing as great as the Gilligan's Island theme to the tune of Stairway to Heaven.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

"I think they're going to eat us."

Glad to know Sawyer and I think alike.

― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Thursday, 20 October 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

That should have been a half-hour episode. Yuck.

Why isn't Kate getting anything to do this season, except for look cute and pine after her two menses? (cue Dan Perry)

Gee, I bet the Korean fortune book had TEH NUMBARS written in Korean.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Thursday, 20 October 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

god, i wish i didn't watch the "next week on Lost" clip.

― :[ (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 20 October 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

what did jin say to micheal to convince him to stop looking for walt?

― jbweb (jbweb), Thursday, 20 October 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

"You'll find him" or something like that.

― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Thursday, 20 October 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

it's not like jin is at a point where he'd have a grasp of verb tenses and such...he just said 'you find walt', and i thought it was encouraging him to go on and keep searching, but i guess it was understood as reassurance that he would eventually find walt.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 20 October 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that was a pretty nothing episode. I like Jin's fast-track English learning, though. I guess they figure they've done the brave foreign language character thing for long enough.

And Sawyer's "I think they're going to eat us" was classic. The last-week-on-Lost thing reminded me of "Great, we can all sue Oceanic together" too. I love him.

So, is Lost not on for three weeks, or are they trailing two ahead for "the really good episode"? That would be stupid.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

It was cool to see the Others' bottom halfs, though. So now we know a few things for sure: Some wear raggedy pants, some do not.
They are mud-spattered
They have a TEDDY BEAR!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

they walk quietly, they have well-developed calves.

they are probably eugenically altered super-killers?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Killer GM children who work out!

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, how do we know they're really THE OTHERS? Just cause that black guy said so? Before, we thought he was one of THE OTHERS, cause Jin said so. Soon we'll meet teddy bear boy and he'll tell us about his idea of THE OTHERS.

It's a parable of cold war politics, east and west.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

Alterntively, it's like The Prisoner, and we'll find out we'll all find the Others inside ourselves.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

alex--danielle's child--didn't the others take him (her?)? or am i remembering incorrectly...maybe the teddy bear toting one was alex?

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Maybe, but Alex would be well beyond teddy bear age. She would be 16, in fact.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

i wasn't clear on how far in she lost alex...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

I think she says that they took her baby. IIRC.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

But she seemed surprised when Sayed told her she'd been sent that distress signal 16 years ago, so maybe the calculations were wrong due to abnormal electromagnetic "incidents" or somesuch. Also, maybe there was a time machine.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

~~been~~

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

no wonder she was surprised

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I assumed the teddy bear carrier was Walt!

I thought the scene between the bald dude and Sun was played out weird... why would he assume she was hip to his plan to marry an American girl? He seemed to genuinely shocked that she was put off by that revelation. (I realize this means nothing in the scheme of the show, but it was played out in a strange way, I thought).

DAnd they did say that someone dies in the "three weeks (!) from tonight" episode, didn't they?

― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

!!!!!!!SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO TURN OFF BEFORE THE 'NEXT WEEK ON LOST' BIT ABOVE !!!!!!!

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, yeah, that bald guy thing was ridiculous. Why on earth would he think that Sun would be OK with it? OK, so 6 months of fine wining and dining, but he knew she was looking for a husband.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

.draeh ev'I romur tsetal eht ot gnidrocca ,retsis-tsecnI

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

I hope claire dies, I'm so sick of that bitch wailing about "moy baaaybieeee"

― :[ (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

When Jin asked Adebisi if he was married, did he say "I was" or "Divorced"? If it was the former was his wife murdered by the Others?

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

If the latter, was his wife banged by the Others?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

I hope claire dies, I'm so sick of that bitch wailing about "moy baaaybieeee"

Maybe she'll just be rendered mute. I don't mind her hanging around and stuff. Also, was that her and Charlie making out?

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Claire and Charlie are the worst characters on the show. At least Shannon's brattishness is funny and there's the hot thing.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

When Jin asked Adebisi if he was married, did he say "I was" or "Divorced"? If it was the former was his wife murdered by the Others?

it was divorce

― josh w (jbweb), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Mistah Echo! Officially my new favorite character. I love his thoughtful nod that he does at least twice in this episode (thoughtful nod : Mr. Eko :: "dude" : Hurley). I hope when they get back to the "others" (other oceanic survivors), lots of people get to ask him his name, so we get lots of endless "Mister Eko." "Mister Eko?" Mister Eko." conversations. OH THE IMPENDING HILARITY!

That shot with Michael & Jin @ the waterfall when he's yelling "TAKE ME!" is now the desktop on my homie's computer from which I currently post (I figure he won't mind since he's in JAIL haha). This show could be completely storyless and succeed immensely on cinematography (and score) alone.

I think they're playing us on Ana Lucia, like, setting us up to think she's been type-cast as Girlfight girl all over again for the billionth time (because she is), but showing a kinder, gentler, pre-island Ana Lucia in flashbacks, to illustrate what HORRORS the OTHERS have laid on them and the way it's made them all like hard and stuff.

And I was pretty sure Eko just said "was", but I've been wrong before (see Season 1, Boone's conversation over the Beechcraft radio).

― nick not feeling quite so alicious today, Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

And out of the next plane crash stumbles...

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

I hate the way Michael yells "Walt." It irritates the shit out of me. He can't yell for pennies. And I think it was Sayid and Shannon making out...

― Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Whoa, okay, that's even too much woman for ME.

― Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

But we need her, to punch out Michael. Girlfighter's going all soft on us.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

"!!!!!!!SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO TURN OFF BEFORE THE 'NEXT WEEK ON LOST' BIT ABOVE !!!!!!!
-- Alba (albab...), October 20th, 2005."

Sorry! I honestly didn't know there were such people! I couldn't turn off before that part if it would save my loved ones. I have very little keeping me going week-to-week besides chewing on those 30 second promos. Tragically, I am completely serious.

I kind of like Claire! Charlie can cram it - hopefully the writers have just put the "stash of heroin" storyline in a drawer somewhere so we don't have to endure any more Driveshaftflashbacks. And I don't ever want to hear him say the word "Turniphead" again.

My only beef with last night:
I don't know that I really buy the way that the tail-survivors are SO concerned with not explaining what the fuck is going on. I know they have "trust issues" or whatever, but it just doesn't seem to make sense in any way. There are clearly safety issues to consider! You know, something like "listen, there's a mutant race of monsters on the island who have eaten a shitload of our friends, so everybody be real quiet and cool and let's team up for saftey's sake," or something. Maybe it's all set-up for something else, but I just kept getting frustrated that Michael wouldn't stop taily-blonde chick when they were fruit-hunting and be like "look, my son's missing, I'm cool with you guys, what's going on?" (and then not accept a vague response/look of abject fear).

― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm with you there.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

The tail-survivors are like the bizarro front-survivors and my allegiances are firmly with the original and best gang we know and love. The tailers are crap and get killed/eaten too much. Girlfighter knows this and is cross that she ended up with the losers, a big fish in a small pond. I wonder if there was once a bizarro tailer version of Sawyer.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

wow, so nothing happened at all in the front story. nothing at all? it was nice to see jin/sun cute meet, but wuh? this season needs to pick up quick. and not with cheating continuity voice saying "someone will die mwah haha"

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

jin and sun always have the best flashbacks. i love them so.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

Michelle Rodriguez brings nothing to her character and plays her as if she's in some medium-budget action flick.

― 57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

I think it's a bit unfair how everyone hates on Ana-Lucia. She's basicly the female version of Sawyer and that's most Lost fans favorite charachter(if you ever read a who's your fav lost charachter poll...). The only annoying aspect of her charachter is that the actress who plays her always plays the same role. Other than that I'm fine with the charachter. Not that I find her especially amazing or anything.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 20 October 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

?! She's not like Sawyer! She seems to be embedded in the group as a kind of leader, where he's the almost constant outsider. She's funny, but not intentionally, unlike Sawyer with his dry asides. He likes winding people up, where she acts like she just doesn't care what people think about her. He charms women he fancies, where she acts like she has no sexual interest.

I don't hate her though.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 21 October 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

And they did say that someone dies in the "three weeks (!) from tonight" episode, didn't they?

GUYS! No point putting the spoiler warnings after the spoiler! Come on now, play fair.

Also I had assumed the kid was Walt as well, except that if it had been Walt, why did Jin not say anything?

And I assumed that the bald guy (the defecting Korean from the last season of the West Wing, bless him) figured that he and Sun were both clued-in, kindred spirits who were just happy to date each other to keep their parents' off their backs. I don't think he expected her to know about the wedding, just that he expected her to know he had no intention of marrying her. I actually thought he was going to confess to being gay.

I'm not reading any more of this thread now. I fear spoilers.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 21 October 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

Im getting bored lately...the first two episodes this season were great but now....zzzz. Im rewatching season one (for the third time) with my mother.

― bingo (Chris V), Friday, 21 October 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

I think I might rewatch Season 1. I think I don't remember/never understood what was going on with Kate.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 21 October 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

and i never really picked up the Ethan Rom looked and acted like a zombie.....hmmm...zombie children.

― bingo (Chris V), Friday, 21 October 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

i want to go back just to find that "do you smell carrots" joke from... Hurley?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 October 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

I actually thought he was going to confess to being gay.

Me too!

I'm not reading any more of this thread now. I fear spoilers.

Me too. :(

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 21 October 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

why the fuck would walt be holding a teddy bear? c'mon people.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 21 October 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

OK I'm back on thread.
Cutty, don't you remember the teddy Michael bought for him when his mother was taking him away? I thought maybe it was that teddy.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

that was a polar bear.

― bingo (Chris V), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Kid was white.

...also, I think the point of the Teddy Bear is that the Others...HAVE CHILDREN!!! viz. - how can they be terrible if they are capable of nurturing teddy-bear coddling widdle kids?

I'm guessing that the Others will be Misunderstood Baddies. Unsurprisingly.

xpost: totally thought dude was gay.

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

I liked this episode!

― Bizarro ILEEEEEEEEEE (Leee), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Best so far, you weirdos!

The person holding the teddy bear doesn't necessarily have to be a kid, nor does it mean that the bear belongs to this person. I was under the impression that it was being held hostage by big O Others.

"Nothing happened"? What happened: sharp Sawyer funnies! Echo coolness! One of the better flashbacks if you ignore its inept logic!

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

a bit boring and obvious, this week

looking for michael was okay but his "walt" wails are bad, yeah

the wedding ring thing was rubbish--don't the original group have anything going on, now, except talking about other people's minor probs and having a chat? I thought the ring was going to be IN the wine bottle. silly

still don't think much of sawyer and his cute nicknames and shit but calling jin "chewie" and the "like mr. ed?" were OK

girlfight's look after sawyer, when they found out that they were both single and that he might not be gay, and the look on sun's face when jin finally bumped into her, in the past, were equally LAME

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 22 October 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

> Kid was white.

Geez it took forever to point this out. Yes, people. Plus isn't Walt a bit old for teddy bears?

Does anyone else think that the underground bunkers are somehow connected, eg., behind those impenetrable underground walls is, if not another bunker, then say the power source shared by all the bunkers. (I think there are four on the island.)

― mitya can't remember his frigging password, Sunday, 23 October 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

didn't it say in the promotional video that there were a variety of bunkers on the island and that they were currently in the swan one? which means there could be other bunkers and so other people... I fully expect to see the scots guy again in season 5, brother

― c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

I love the way Desmond just wandered off into the woods as if we were supposed to forget about him. I'm hoping he'll be the one to get everyone saved, or be the next Ethan Rom. Either will make me happy.

― melton mowbray (adr), Sunday, 23 October 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

nah, we'll find his dead body somewhere.

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 23 October 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

in season 5

― c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Or season 50, which we'll be watching in our respective long-term care facilities, shaking our canes at the TV, screaming for the orderlies to TURN THE VOLUME UP, THIS IS THE LAMEST SEASON YET AND WE CAN'T HEAR A THING!!!!! A small knot of people will be huddled by the nurses' station, circling their wheelchairs, their hearing-aids removed because of demented fear of SPOILERS.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Er...what's going on? Is everybody getting a repeat of S2E2, like I am?

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

Dude...I thought you knew.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

Is this a weird US tv scheduling thing then? That you're all used to? I'm confused.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, seasons of tv shows never run straight through. They'll run four straight, break for a few weeks of reruns, trot out five more, then more reruns... etc. You can count on reruns during big sporting events on other networks, like the World Series.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

The week after next will be the new episode. Cheapskates.
The actors must be demanding more money, or more secure lodging so that roving bands of OTHERS don't drag them out of your beds in the middle of the night.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

Out of THEIR beds. I wasn't trying to say they were in YOUR bed, really.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

Week after next? But I'll be back in london by then! Hey ho, at least I'll still have bittorrent.

I'm learning to appreciate UK telly more and more though, this is nonsense.

No, there are no others in my bed, currently.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

nonsense? how about six episodes of lost a season?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

Uh, I assumed the repeat was because of the World Series?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

It was too bad though, because I had only watched the first two episodes of the season and today I read the Television Without Pity recaps of the past three in anticipation of a new one. I was at least hoping to see one of those three for the repeat, but no.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

By the time the new episode comes we'll all be like those people in Fahrenheit 451 who wander the woods reciting entire texts of banned books. Those first 3 episodes will be HOLY SCRIPTURE.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

Just when I thought Lost was starting to make narrative progress...! Oh well, I got to watch Veronica Mars live.

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 27 October 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Oh man I SO know who the other others are

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 27 October 2005 04:57 (twenty years ago)

so we don't get a new ep for another 2 weeks

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

hey, it's LOCKE in an old ep of the X files - creeping out the ginger bird

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

He's the guy who sat by the soda machine until it blew up the federal building in the X-Files movie. Was he the same character as in that episode?

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

turns out he's some sort of super warrior - just reappeared out of the fog after being shot DEAD and then vanishing. oh oh menacing walk...

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

oh NOES killed by iron ore.

not that old trick again.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I like the Lost 3 week hiatus. I just watched the Veronica Mars dvd and now don't have a dilemma about which one to watch on Wednesday nights.

― Mendoza Lineman (Carey), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

I just came home all eager to bittorrent. Damn you America!

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Just as well that there's a two week hiatus, Sayid's got the playoffs coming up.

http://sanjose.earthquakes.mlsnet.com/images/2005/07/20/BIr8vGwY.jpg

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 27 October 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

I thought this episode was good, finally got around to d/loading it today.

Ana Lucia is still intensely stupid and annoying, her character seems to just disrupt the plot and the flow of the show with ridiculous machoism. And shock horror we already see the first inklings of how she is just a rock hard heart waiting to melt into Sawyers arms. They surely can write a better character than this. Possibly even worse than Claire or Charlie except for the fact she actually is involved in the non boring plots.

Her name should be Scrappy-Doo.

I thought that Mistah Eko said "Worse" when Jin asked if he was married. But "Was" would make a whole lot more sense. Unless he meant "Worse! I'm single!"

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

SPOILER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT ------ SPOLER ALERT

Well only a theory, but may be a spoiler. On that oceanicflight615.com website, if you enter theislandiswaiting code that script page still comes up. Looks from that like the character to die will be Michael, and he's killed by Walt.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Monday, 31 October 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

I think those script pages are major red herrings.

― Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

i think so too. zombies?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

Unless he meant "Worse! I'm single!
Or "worse! I am from a polygamous society and have six wives!"

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

Just think about it like this: who is the only person whose dying could trigger Merry's inevitable heroin binge?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

I hate it when TV shows (or movies) advertise that SOMEONE IMPORTANT IS GOING TO DIE. Please just spring it on us. Give a little thrill every now and then.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

holy shit, i may be late on this one but does everyone know about the bit in the very first episode of the first series when the part of the plane explodes (right after that guy gets sucked into one of the engines)??! i had to pause that several times to see it...

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

You talking about them showing the corporate logo? or something else?

― Dan I., Wednesday, 2 November 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ms322801/lostturbineenhanced.gif

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

wow. that thing MADE the engine explode.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

supposedly it made the plane crash in the first place...

episode 5 kinda sucked for me (just seen it) - only the bit where they see the feet of The Other Other Others was good. the flashbacks are getting v boring for the most part now, they're running out of revelations on that front it seems (tho the ones for Locke and Hurley remain good). hopefully they will switch to flashbacks for the newer characters inc. Desmond tho i doubt it.

at least i only have to wait a week for the next one now.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

giant flying squirrel!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:47 (twenty years ago)

OMG!!!!111 eleven (obv)

i just watched that in VLC in slowslowslowslow mode and k-blimXoR o'reilly CUBED on A BUS

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

Judging from the gif, could it just be some piece of refuse that was sucked into/past the engine? It doesn't necessarily have to be an autonomous agent that directly caused the kerblooey.

― Leeeeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

oh come on! look at it swoop!

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

whatever it is, theres two of them. keep your eyes on the guy in the brown shirt

― rush, push, cash (FE7), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

yeah, looks like a second swarm of smartdust nanonoid mofos

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

There's more than two though. If you watch the skies during the rest of the pilot's opening ten minutes, there's LOADS of those things flying round. But, er, they all look more like they're meant to be just random bits of debris blowing in the wind, rather than malicious independent sentient THINGS.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 3 November 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

i think everything else is debris actually, but i suppose the point was to make it difficult to tell which is which.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

NEW EPISODE TONIGHT.

WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHO IS MR EKO.

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

SOMEBODY WILL DIE!
I hope it's Jack.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Definitely tonight? I thought it was next week?

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

TONIGHT.

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

holy fuck~~!

― lol xbox is hueg (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously! WTF!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe they killed Kate!

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

That's Shannon, wiseass.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

That was a nice job of making that her sympathetic BEFORE GUTSHOOTING HER.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

Well damn they've been flashing that gun around long enough, they had to do something with it.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty pleased with this development, especially if it means we'll get to see Sayid totally hulk out and smash hella shit.

― lol xbox is hueg (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

THAT WAS AWESOME

― Dan (BANG BANG) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

Oh shit I forgot Sayid has his still too! Next episode they're going to have a big end-of-Se7en scene.

Did both of those guns come from the dead Marshall guy's briefcase?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

I know, Johnny, I was screwing with people who hadn't seen it.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

Sawyer -- will they lop off his arm? Remember when Jack wanted to lop off Boone's leg in season one? Limbs are KEY to this show.

― Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think they have the SFX budget (or time) to do no-arm trickery a la Lieutenant Dan. They'll save it, I'm sure.

I wonder how long the let's-back-up-and-follow-the-tail-survivors part will last. I bet three episodes.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

I really can't enjoy this show knowing there will be no actual plot progess until ratings go down.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 10 November 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, making us warm up to Shannon, having Sayid declare his love! I mean, unbelievable, but still! Effective. I was a bit sad. And more angry at tail chick with attitude plus gun. But now we'll probably get to see more of Sayid - good. The whole Walt and creepy whispers thing is an okay replacement for the hatch mystery, I'm finding, but NOT CREEPY ENOUGH. Oh well.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 10 November 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

Shannon's death is what I've been praying for since pretty much episode one, so this was pretty sweet.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Thursday, 10 November 2005 06:09 (nineteen years ago)

I don't like them eliminating any of the hottness on the island. She was annoying, sure, but so is every single person on th island. She really wasn't top-5 annoying (dead brother, the junkie, Aussie mom, crazy French woman, DJ Qualls).

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Thursday, 10 November 2005 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

She'll be back as a hott wett ghost from time to time.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 10 November 2005 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

"Yeah yeah, Chewie, I know."

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 10 November 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Shannon's death is what I've been praying for since pretty much episode one

Me too! Yay!

Has anyone reversed walt yet for this ep? I'll have a fiddle and see what pudding is spaz this time.

I wasn't enjoying the way they set this up like a slasher flick - they'd told us somebody was going to die, so then they ran it with sayid's "I'm going for water, I'll be back soon" so we could go "OH NO IT'S SAYID!"...and then sawyer collapsing in the jungle so we could go "OH NO IT'S SAWYER!". But apart from that, it was nice to get away from jack, and nice to see a bit of locke/charlie again, and yeah, ok episode overall.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 10 November 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

I am never particularly overjoyed to see Charlie.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I am only ever glad to see Hurley, Rose, Sawyer, Jin (the only character who is actually evolving) and Sun (the most beautiful character). I love how Jin is chattering away now. Soon everyone will understand him perfectly.

So, did Sayid see Walt, too? Or was he just humoring her? I think he saw him, so while Girlfighter is becoming humbled and humanized by the enormity of her blunder, Michael will run off bellowing into the shrubbery again. Good time tell the tail tale.

Giboyeux, I too wondered if the hatch was a spaceship. Mostly because the discovery and obsessive excavation of the hatch was straight out of "The Tommyknockers."

I think the Others are child-stealers because they are infertile. The magnetic force-field has fried all their nads.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Or was he just humoring her?

I could be wronged, but it seemed to me he was just humoring since she was going on about no one ever believing in her or having any faith in her.

― KSTFUNS (Ex Leon), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

Walt says "They're coming, and they're close". YSI of the mp3.

And yeah, I don't think sayid really saw him either.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think he did.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think he did, too, as well, also.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think that look on his face totally conveyed shock. He saw him. Although the look on his face a minute later when he saw girl-with-gun was a lot less ambiguous.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really going to be mad when Mr. Eko clocks Sayid with his big stick when Sayid tries to kill Grillfighter.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Sayid will bide his time. He's not a hot-head.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's not like he almost killed Sawyer or anything. This would be wayyy more justifiable homicide.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

What's most interesting is the way that Sayid was frozen in place for just long enough to let Shannon leave his sight. WTF, dude?
Did Wet Walt intentionally lead Shannon into a trap? Is he pissed off at her because she always calls his dog "dog"? The dog has a name! (I can't remember the dog's name either, I hope Wet Walt doesn't kill me too!)

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

It's Vincent.

― KSTFUNS (Ex Leon), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Sayid could NOT CONTROL HIS WOMAN. Now he can NEVER go home!
I think Sayid will end up understanding how Girlfighter could have panicked and shot. After all, he and Shannon were hearing the whispering voices, too. And the writers killed off two women in the same episode (don't forget the brunette who disappeared when they were hauling Sawyer's gurney up the bank), so I doubt they'll knock off a third so soon. They'd be seriously depleting the breeding stock, that is, if the magnetic field hasn't sterilized everyone.
And speaking of Magnetic Fields, why isn't EVERYONE making like bunny rabbits? I thought being in life-or-death situations was a turn-on. And what else is there to do? There's only so much spear-fishing and backgammon you can put up with. Why was it only Shannon and Sayid pairing-up? Maybe now that he's got his love-shack built he'll invite somebody else in. Or rent it out by the hour.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Wet Walt was trying to get Shannon to BE QUIET!!!! Not his fault she didn't listen!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I love this credit:

Regular guests:
Madison .... Vincent the Dog (19 episodes)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised they use just one dog instead of a bunch of generic yellow lab stunt-doubles. What a good boy!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

I watched the episode on grainy VHR videotape when I got home from work, and I suppose i could watch it again, but was that Walt at the beginning of the episode, in the tent? (The tent that Beth wants to rent out for $1.000.00 a week, like any tried and true Vineyarder.)
I think Sayid saw Walt-the whispering voices always mean that everyone sees the same thing.
Boone saw Shannon killed by the monster, just after he heard the whispering voices...hmmmm...but this time it's probably real.
I find it more believable that Shannon is dead than that she would get an internship with the Martha Graham dance company and not be doing some crazy modern dance "plane crash" choreography on the beach - or at least some ballet exercises and an occassional pirouette.
Shannons personal story doesn't make sense. But I'm glad she is with Boone now... he creepily loved her most, and first.
I wanted a more pivotal character to be killed off- but wait, not Sayid, not Locke, not Sawyer, and...well, I wanted Walt to kill Michael.
So it's just Jack and Kate pressing the button now? Locke seems to have plenty o'time on his hands to share wisdom...as does Hurley.
TV Guide described the episode as "Sawyer continues to deteriorate from his wound" or something along those lines, which made me convinced that Sawyer would NOT be dyin' in this here bitch of an episode. I heart Sawyer. I'm glad that they didn't kill him - he's too important to character development to die. SOMEONE besides the UDDERS needs to create some conflict.
Oh well - it was an OK episode- and I won't miss Shannon.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Jack and Kate finally got a room.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Sharon dies a death as capricious and useless as Bone's death (it was a 20 foot ~~fall~~ slide down an embankment). Loser(s). And her flashback was completely wasteful, just like she was, though she did look prettier this episode -- as did Bone, who was downright girly.

― Wolfcastleee (Leee), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

I knew Shannon would be the dead one as soon she appeared with softened hair.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

bone & sharon? hee!

― heywood jablomi (heywood), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.comixtreme.com/gallery/data/media/650/BoneOFB.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Following the old horror movie rule (via SCREAM): have sex and die (if you're a chick).

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Have sex with your sister and die (if you're a dude, or anyone else, I'd wager).

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 10 November 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, did anyone catch Jock in the hospital? When Sharon & her step-MILF heard that duddy died? This show is, like, crazy with the all the coincidences!! I'm, like, AN OBSERVANT VIEWER!

― Wolfcastleee (Leee), Thursday, 10 November 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

sigh

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 10 November 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

...you realize that the dude that died (step-dad) is the SAME DUDE THAT PARALYZED JACK'S FUTURE WIFE, RIGHT?

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 10 November 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Michelle Rodriguez is a terrible actor -- she overplays.

But more importantly who has a screenshot of the hill they haul Sawyer up that the girl dissappears on -- I think there is something there.

― 57 7th (calstars), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

I think so because the camera did a strange close-up zoom thing when they were all looking at it. I'm convinced there's a pair of eyes in there somewhere.

― 57 7th (calstars), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

Screen caps. Knock yourself out.

― Wolfcastleee (Leee), Friday, 11 November 2005 05:52 (nineteen years ago)

this was FUCKED UP. I guess I was the only person that liked Shannon.

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 12 November 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't think she was bad at all. She had attitude all the other survivors (Gurlfighter aside) are too placid and demure. Even Kate has lost her spunk.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Saturday, 12 November 2005 06:27 (nineteen years ago)

(insert 'but not Jack's' joke here)

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Saturday, 12 November 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6388/losteyes6po.jpg

― omg, Saturday, 12 November 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

If you say so. Maybe MY eyes aren't up to the job.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 12 November 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

OMG the eyes are BIG RED CIRCLES???

― Wolfcastleee (Leee), Saturday, 12 November 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

it looks like the eyes in the left circle are wearing sunglasses. Are nanobots/monsters/the others blind? Or is the attention going to their head?

― josh w (jbweb), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Not just sunglasses but a bandana and a moustache! Maybe it's the remnants of a lost biker gang on the island?

― nickn (nickn), Saturday, 12 November 2005 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

that was pretty good. I really would like it if Sayid killed girlfighter but I don't think it's going to happen. Actually I think I'd like it if a tree fell on her or something too. I'm not fussy, Once again all she managed to do for an entire episode was be annoying, "hurry up, come on", "hurry up", "let's go", "hurry up", "come on, oops I shot shannon". I don't know how her thickheaded character is going to deal with the ensuing trauma.

I don't see any eyes, in that picture, by the way. I like the way they're changing the scenery and using some new camera angles and stuff as we see more of the island. The shot from the top of that little hill before they climbed up was pretty cool.

Did one of their group just vanish btw? Linda or whatever her name was?

Oh yeah and, Americans: is there another episode on tomorrow night?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. Going back to the beginning, right after the crash, from the tail-section survivors' POV.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

cool. will there be Anna Lucia flashback i wonder.

Did one of their group just vanish btw?

looks like The Other Other Others just grabbed her stealthily while the others were climbing up that thing.

i really hope they return to Desmond at some point. presumably he doesn't even know about The Others, Rousseau etc. - he might know about the polar bears but it didn't stop him running away into the jungle like a fool.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

― 2 (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

something that just occurred...

we hear a gunshot fired and assume Shannon's wound is caused by bullet

but when Sayid looks up he sees Ana Lucia pointing the gun as if ready to fire again, despite telling Michael she only had one bullet left

did she know what she was shooting at (close enough to shoot in the abdomen it seems)? how close were they to Shannon when the shot was fired? could it be that Ana Lucia still has one bullet left and that the shot came from elsewhere (seems unlikely, but then why is she still pointing the gun at Sayid and Shannon if she had none left?)

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

I think she was just in shock that she shot someone who was clearly not a dangerous bad guy.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

and the gun was definitely empty.

― cv, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

HOLY SHIT IT WAS FRENCH LADY WHAT DID IT.

― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

The concatenation of signifiers without signifieds has become overtly explicit of this show.

― Sonneywolferinecastleee (Leee), Thursday, 17 November 2005 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

i was all excited to talk about the show and then you made me have to go and look up a word : (

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 17 November 2005 06:15 (nineteen years ago)

actually though i thought this was a great episode... i was vaguely worried that they were going to draw out the story of the other survivors for the next few weeks. i find it interesting that there was nothing overtly metaphysical that happened to them. i don't know what that means, but...

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 17 November 2005 06:19 (nineteen years ago)

What I meant: now they introduce a "list." It's pretty clear that the writers don't know what it means, but it's just another one of those things that they've thrown out there to make things seem SPOOKY and MYTHICAL. WHAT'S IT ALL MEAN? It's just chains and chains of these ideas that seem to point at something, but when you finally see what it's pointing at, it's either nothing or DJINN, MIKE AND LAWYER IN THE GODDAMN HOLE FOR THE THIRD TIME.

― Sonneywolferinecastleee (Leee), Thursday, 17 November 2005 06:27 (nineteen years ago)

Now I think that the other others are a sort've cult, maybe founded by people placed on the island by Dharma, that arose in response to some kind of preexisting phenomena on the island. They're tied to the island in the same way that Walt and Locke are, and they, or whoever leads them, want to gather all people like themselves together. I predict that in some future episode Locke will be forced to choose between remaining loyal to the cast that we are familiar with or joining up with the other others to whom he in some as-yet unexplained sense "belongs".

Sorry I'm all talky but I've been studying for this test and it has all my verbal centers turned on or something (or it might just be too much coffee).

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 17 November 2005 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with Leee. The whole thing is some kind of faux story arc. When you actually finish watching an episode & reflect on what just happened you realise that you really are precisely where you started. I hope that this is leading to a very cool twist on how subjective this show really is, that it turns in on itself & does something Matrix-y and bursts some blood vessels in my brain. Because if it doesn't then I'll be sending JJ abrams to the 'chair. Unless he's conducting some kind of social experiment...

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 17 November 2005 06:48 (nineteen years ago)

It seems to me that all the loose ends that have been introduced recently hang together pretty well. most important parts of this episode, it seems to me, were that the list was of "good" people and that the dude that we saw with the spear through the chest a few eps ago wasn't speared by the other others as was implied but by ana-lucia. The picture that emerges of the other others now is that they're not motivated by causing harm to the people whom they are for whatever reason not interested in kidnapping (they're not cannibals either), but they don't care about those people either, and will without qualms harm any of the non-"good" people who in some way impede whatever it is they're trying to do (eg: shooting sawyer and breaking creepy dude's neck).
The one thing I didn't like about this episode is that all the sudden it's made clear that the mysterious kidnappers are humans; they can be killed and stuff. They might still have some kind of mysterious powers (whatever produces the whispery noises), but they're definitely not zombies or ghosts or unstoppable feral killing machines like what was previously implied. I mean, I kind of like the idea that they're actually humans, because it allows the pirate dudes that kidnapped Walt to be part of the same group as those who kidnapped all the people from the ass-end of the plane, but it's not very consistent with some stuff that was previously implied; or at least not on the face of it.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 17 November 2005 07:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just lately having trouble taking these clues at face value, because so much of it hangs on one character. Each time something new is discovered, it's in the eyes of one person, and what we take as fact is what's being taken as fact by that character. I don't necessarily trust their judgement, you know? Maybe I'm just letting it chew on my brain too much.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 17 November 2005 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

so is Mr Eko a priest?

― bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

so is ana lucia a cop?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

Why are all the good actors on the back of the plane?!?! I smell a conspiracy. Also when is Adebise going to find a little hat and perches it precariously on the top of his head where it stays improbably? WHEN??!?!

Also last night's episode was good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

The Other amongst them was suprisingly well-groomed.

If they only take the "good people" that means the remaining people are not good? Did the woman they took from the cliff while they were hoisting Sawyer do something to make her good? From the front of the plane they wanted Walt, Claire and the baby. I wonder if there are other good people they haven't gotten around to yet.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

Adebisi is great, I still have very little sympathy for Ana Lucia though.

― KSTFUNS (Ex Leon), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe they were seated according to Benevolence.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

The one thing I didn't like about this episode is that all the sudden it's made clear that the mysterious kidnappers are humans

We've known the others were human for ages though. Remember Ethan? He was an other.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

The 'other' was so bloody obvious.

Why did it take Ana Lucia three weeks and a few torture sessions with the other guy to realize that he came running out of the jungle unharmed and dry?

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think that the big picture long-term storyline is fairly open-ended, with different possiiblities depending on how long the show will be on the air, but the current season is being plotted very tightly, so things are fitting together pretty well. I doesn't seem all that arbitrary to me, though the concept of the others only wanting the "good" people is an interesting development.

I think no one really thought about the first appearance of Goodwin because everyone was caught up in the drama of the moment, but Ana Lucia had been playing the events out in her head over and over and finally came to that realization.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes it's very easy to miss obvious details when you're FREAKING THE FUCK OUT.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

but when Sayid looks up he sees Ana Lucia pointing the gun as if ready to fire again, despite telling Michael she only had one bullet left
It looked to me like she was still holding it out, but the slide was still sticking back (indicating an empty clip). But I only saw it on BitTorrent, so I could be wrong.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone notice the torture/leftist/conservative parable being enacted over here? When she first start doing the punchy with Nate, did Peace Corps Godwin say, "Wait a second, what about HIS CIVIL LIBERTIES?"

― Sonneywolferinecastleee (Leee), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_gho.gif

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Thursday, 17 November 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

they can't spell "supersedes" = they are monkeys

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 17 November 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_press.gif

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 17 November 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

i think there's a mistake in the previous episode. when they are climbing the rock face, between Jin and Mr Eko you can see something moving behind them just briefly. this is just before Nancy got taken, but it's too close to them for them to not have noticed, unless it really was one of the others being ridiculously sneaky.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Sunday, 20 November 2005 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

So, WHAT WAS broken-neck guy DOING in the woods for two hours?? Now we'll NEVER KNOW.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

I loved the way he still said "I was going to the bathroom" later on, even after analucia had told everyone he'd been gone TWO HOURS. i mean, surely some embellishment was required.

"I had really bad squits!"

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

I was trying to get into the hatch, where they keep all the toilet paper!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

And he said he was in the bathroom on the plane too! For 2 hours!

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 21 November 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't Bernard in the bathroom too? [SUBTLE INNUENDO]

― Sonneywolferinecastleee (Leee), Monday, 21 November 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

Neck-Snap: The quickest cure for Irritable Bowel Syndrome!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 21 November 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

"I went into the jungle because I think you are an annoying pushy bitch Ana Lucia! There I SAID IT!"

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

I like her a bit more now. I suppose that's the point of the way they did it. I feel a bit sorry for Nathan, will we ever know why it takes him two hours to go to the toilet? And where have I seen his face before? It's been driving me mad.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

When they find his body Jack can autopsy it to discover his digestive anomalies.
Back to serious theory-building. I'm wondering if there's time travel involved. The Solaris-style polar-bear creation, the apparitions of Walt and Jack's father, the deaths of Hurley's loved ones—seem like the hand of an advanced technology. Perhaps the magnetic force snatched the plane through a time portal. Maybe the future needs fresh blood, but there's a test involved—see who will develop into a leader, or a breeder. There's that list of people the Others have. There was manipulation to bring certain people onto the plane. Maybe the island is the new Eden of a post-apocalyptic Earth. I'm sure someone upthread has suggested this already.
I was thinking about John Varley's Air Raid, from "The Persistence of Vision" short story collection. Anybody read that?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

The cult worship the big spaceship which is really a big nuclear bomb. It's exactly like that third POTA film damnit.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

It's a sci-fi salad!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

The show needs to be scarier.

Bold claim: I will be underwhelmed by the next episode.

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

there is a pattern of you being underwhelmed by EVERY episode. yet, you continue to watch.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Leeeee, you want scary? Tell us where you live and we'll hide behind your sofa making Others-style whispering noises while you watch the show. Whatever it takes. We ARE WILLING TO SACRIFICE OUR OWN VIEWING PLEASURE in order for you to have a successful experience.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

I was a bit disappointed that the Tailers did not experience The Security System but perhaps they're saving it up for them - OMG what fun that's gonna be when they start hearing that shit and seeing the smartdust...

Sayid will assume that Ana Lucia's gun is still loaded but he might still charge at her in rage. Surely they're all gonna be too dumbstruck to know what to do. Maybe there will be a scuffle but then the whispering will start again and they will all run off but get lost. Ana Lucia will have her flashbacks as she tries to atone for what she has done. I can't think how they will go about introducing the Tailers to the rest but episode #8 is titled 'Collision'...

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Ana Lucia and Sawyer will become lovers, and Sayid's glowering hatred of them both will be the cause of many many lingering close-ups of his baby brown eyes.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

so is ana lucia a cop?

-- cutty (holle...), November 17th, 2005 6:59 AM. (mcutt) (later)

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ding ding ding!!!

Lost: BACK ON TRACK.

Also: WELCOME BACK KATE WE MISSED YOU

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

Good episode. AL as cop equals easiest guess ever.

CURVEBALL: ...she wasn't benched because she SHOT someone -- she GOT SHOT. AND THEN MURDERED.

Honestly wasn't expecting that. They definitely played me. Blonde psychologist gets more attractive with every episode.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

can someone tell me why that episode was good?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

Gooood episode, yes. Made me cry with the reunions. and the "dead already" bit, the swelling music, the greatness that is Sayid.
The next-on-Lost clips were the best next-on-Lost clips ever! whoa.

Time travel, nuclear bombs, apparitions, whispers, magnetic fields, "human-nature"-destroys-us-all-in-the-end-anyway... - it's totally a sci-fi salad (haha!)

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

...it was better than the last three?

I don't know: it had Back Story. Kate and Jack came back (and Jack was tolerable for, oh, about 10 minutes). The story developed in a way that didn't resort to OH NOES ITS THE OTHERS bullshit.

I liked it.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

You are not watching tv correctly, cutty.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

can someone tell me why that episode was good?

b/c ana-lucia is hot.

― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder if michelle rodriguez gets tired of playing feisty cops.

this is the first time i saw an episode of lost that wasn't downloaded/on the dvd. man, commercials suck.

i didn't really like this one. i hate it when a show that for the most part features incredibly rational characters has them completely lose it (especially Sayid). i guess they had to resolve the whole AL killing Shannon thing somehow. reunion thing was nice, though.

next week's episode better be awesome. hopefully kate's flashback will make up for that awful toy plane thing

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

the mother/daughter cop thing sounds suspiciously similar to father/son doctor.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

w/r/t her mother: that actress, like AL, is ALWAYS playing street-smart Hispanic lady-cops. ALWAYS.

I think they may be setting us up for:

* Sawyer/Kate: soulmates, not lovers
* Jack/AL: ditto
* Sawyer/AL: lovers, not soulmates
* Kate/Jack: ditto

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

gahhhh there was no earthly reason for that episode to take 40 some minutes of our time. the whole thing is based on OMG WHATS GONNA HAPPEN BETWEEN AL AND SAYID when it seems blatantly obvious that nothing is going to happen, especially if they just talk to each other. but they don't. they sit there and nothing happens for a while.

what else happens in the episode? Kate and Jack play golf. holy cow. this is lazy writing. Michael doesn't even stop to ask why the fuck he's in a bunker with a bleeping computer and lots of guns!

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

I smell Sayid/AL on the horizon, but maybe on second thought it's Shannon's body I'm smelling. "I'm dead inside, you're dead inside... we have a lot in common, ya think?" Also, Shannon's body should have been swarming with insects within a half hour of getting kilt.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 24 November 2005 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

Kate and Jack play golf because we hadn't seen Kate and Jack together alone for a while - setting us up for "Kate and Jack together alone hint hint."

I thought the whole thing was more based around getting the two groups together as well as whether AL was going to go completely nuts or not.

I'm intrigued by this soulmates/lovers theory. The Kate and Sawyer scene was quite touching (I am a gurl), but more in a brother-sister way, so the theory might work, yeah.

At the end I felt sorry for the other people on the beach, who haven't gotten their own storylines or even real speaking lines yet while all these back of the plane bitches come out of nowhere and get freakin' flashbacks already.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 November 2005 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

too much golf. otherwise it was good.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 24 November 2005 06:13 (nineteen years ago)

I was just thinking about those peripheral people! I think they're all doomed to remain faceless. At this point to bring one of them to the fore, or even give any of them names, would be just really weird. I think they're handled pretty artfully, a quick couple of seconds here or there, just enough to let us know that the "face" characters aren't alone.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 24 November 2005 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

"SPECIAL GUEST STAR: MAGGIE GRACE"

Producers to MG's agent: Um, so you know how we wrote your client off the show? Well, um, we were wondering if she could stick around for one or two more episodes. As a corpse.
MG's agent: Can she still eat from the Principals Craft Services?
Producers: No.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 24 November 2005 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Shannon was a form of penance for Sayid. His guilty conscience compelled him to choose the most unpleasant of all possible partners.
Somebody probably explained the hatch to Michael, off-camera, In the LOST they don't show us. We don't want to sit through a explanation for each raft/tail person.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 24 November 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

I DO!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 24 November 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Sawyer is going to be so freaked out when he wakes up in a real bed though.
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― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 24 November 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

I wanted more Mr. Ecko/Locke interaction. The Men-of-Few-Words. That greeting "hello" was great.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 24 November 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

haha yeah I laughed so hard when locke said hello

and this was one of the better episodes of this season. where can i see the preview for next weeks episode?

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Friday, 25 November 2005 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

found some:

Video Preview 1:http://www.sparklies.org/~lisa/lost/video/eppromos/ep2x09promo-cdn.zip
Video Preview 2:http://www.sparklies.org/~lisa/lost/video/eppromos/ep2x09promo-sm.zip
Video Preview 3:http://www.sparklies.org/~lisa/lost/video/eppromos/ep2x09promo-lg.zip

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Friday, 25 November 2005 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

I wanted more Mr. Ecko/Locke interaction. The Men-of-Few-Words.

The men of faith, yo.

We will be seeing more interactions between these two. Perhaps even essential, plot-driving interactions.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 25 November 2005 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

Shannon was a form of penance for Sayid. His guilty conscience compelled him to choose the most unpleasant of all possible partners.
This is crazy talk.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 25 November 2005 04:53 (nineteen years ago)

The penance part has a lot to it. The "most unpleasant of all possible" part is kinda mean.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 25 November 2005 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

have i missed it, or has no one commented that carlton cuse, the brains behind "nash bridges" is just as involved in lost as j.j.abrams. is that why this season is sucking so much?

― mitya can't remember his frigging password, Friday, 25 November 2005 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

what a relief to enjoy two eps in a row at last!

i am teh slow, i totally missed that ana lucia was the bird that jack briefly chatted too in the airport bar! lotsa wrapped up loose ends. now where?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 25 November 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not surprised you didn't recognize her as the flirty airport bar girl. Whatever her acting limitations, Michelle Rodriguez has an amazingly changeable face. When she lightens up she looks like a totally different person. I feel like a stereotypical mom here (or one of those annoying guys on the street), but honey, you should smile more! She has a great smile, unlike Jack, whose smile makes you wonder if he's wearing an ill-fitting hernia truss.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 25 November 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

lotsa wrapped up loose ends

Yep. I think this was my least favourite episode ever, for exactly that reason. I don't want resolution from Lost, that's not the point! I want suspense and mystery, I don't care if it never gets sorted out, as long as I can get to the end of each episode and thing "oooh! How are they going to fix that one!?". And yeah, the end of this weeks left me thinking "right, that's that all sorted then, might as well stop watching now".

(I don't watch "next week on Lost" bits, primarily on principle, but also cos they're normally chopped from bittorrent versions anyway)

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 25 November 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

what else happens in the episode? Kate and Jack play golf. holy cow. this is lazy writing.

OTM. When the series had cemented itself as a bona fide hit, the writers seemed to consciously decide that their success gave them license to not offer genuine narrative development; the bases for the characters were set in stone, and they don't want to make significant narrative progress in order to STRING EVERYONE ALONG.

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Monday, 28 November 2005 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

"have i missed it, or has no one commented that carlton cuse, the brains behind "nash bridges" is just as involved in lost as j.j.abrams. is that why this season is sucking so much?
-- mitya can't remember his frigging password (mity...), November 25th, 2005."

But he and J.J. Abrams are far less hands on than Damon Lindelof, supposedly. He's the real hands-on showrunner.

As for "significant narrative progress" - they have told us a TON this season! There's revelations galore! You really want it all spelled out right away?

― Mugged Outside the Jabberjaw, 1993 (Bent Over at the Arclight), Monday, 28 November 2005 06:21 (nineteen years ago)

xpost I love how the last two posts represent totally different sides of how the series should develop.

"Resolution is stupid!"
"Never having any resolution is stupid!"

I'm in the latter camp, fwiw. And I like the last two eps a lot. There's not a lot of resolution there, even, and I have no idea what JimD's talking about. Mystery upon mystery is what they've been doing all season, and for half of the last, and the biggest fans of the show were starting to get pissy about it. They've already done so much of the "oooh! How are they going to fix that one!?" bit that they've had to let certain plot strands drop, because it's just too damn difficult to fix that one. This is very frustrating to those of us who are keeping acore. A mystery without any resolution is not a mystery anymore, it's just a cock tease. I could make a list of things I wish I had even the faintest clue how they were going to resolve, but it would get very long.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 28 November 2005 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

Plot is boring. Characters are awesome.

They skipped the years when the X-Files was a sci-fi buddy comedy and jumped straight into the shitty conspiracy years.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 November 2005 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

No way. They're doing both. It's just kind of a balancing act, and they're dropping a plate now and then, you know? It's still a great show.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 28 November 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago)

What revelations? There's been incessently shadowy gestures that haven't amounted to anything -- all the progress made has been to keep everything in place because they don't want to mess with a formula (more like end it) that they think is the reason for the show's success. So instead, they're working hard keep things as they are (killing off Shanon? Well, it's part of the formula see, since they killed off her bro already!) -- which I suspect explains why they keep retreading the same events.

BUT LITTLE DO THEY KNOW! That Lost should've been a 36-episode series!

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Monday, 28 November 2005 06:33 (nineteen years ago)

they're successfully doing what twin peaks failed to do in it's second season though: keep the general audience interested without throwing resolution at them. i'm surprised the ratings are still strong and people haven't revolted on it. (I'm not saying it's as good as twin peaks' second season, just that people seem to be willing to cut it slack where they weren't with twin peaks)

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 28 November 2005 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

Easy to cut this dramatic show slack when the 90s and early 2000s have inundated us with crap re: reality tv programming and the long-coming promise of resolution - how would Twin Peaks rate today? Lost would rate higher. It's is a show about an island, with, wait, what, Survivors. I'm just saying there's some intertextuality that might help explain the slack people give it. Right now, I still love Twin Peaks more, and as much as I like Lost, I'm beginning to feel like maybe I love the Idea of Lost more than Lost itself. Please no.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 28 November 2005 06:53 (nineteen years ago)

Lost wishes it had the storytelling chops of Survivor.

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Monday, 28 November 2005 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

No way. It wishes it had the storytelling chops of Twin Peaks.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 28 November 2005 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

I promise not to start every post with "no way." Promise.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 28 November 2005 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

it's completely possible to keep piling on mysteries while maintaining narrative development. they did exactly that last season. however, completely forgetting about the whole mysterious part is, dare i say it, kind of boring.

one of the reasons the second season of Twin Peaks was so great was that in spite of the ridiculous sub-plots, something nightmare spooky happened in pretty much every single episode. if Lost can do that and build to a similar kind of ending, then it will be fucking glorious. although it sort of already did with the whole "we're gonna have to take the kid" thing.

seriously, though, when this show ends, what are you going to remember? what keeps you watching the next episode? all the scenes of Kate flirting with Jack or Taylor? Charlie kicking his heroin addiction only to find more heroin? or Locke pounding on the hatch in desperation and suddenly, it lights up?

― lemin (lemin), Monday, 28 November 2005 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

you know, i think i just responded to a question that hadn't even been asked.

anyhow, sometimes the writers are good at payoffs, and sometimes they are unbelievably awful. all i know is that i like to be strung along, as long as it's one awesome string.

― lemin (lemin), Monday, 28 November 2005 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

No way. It wishes it had the storytelling chops of Twin Peaks.

You're probably right. Survivor is setting the bar too high.

lemin you are otm, except the impact of "we're going to have to take etc." was dulled to hell by the fact that it came at the end of a drawn-out THREE PART EPISODE.

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Monday, 28 November 2005 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

leeeee, you are a sourpuss. That was an awesome scene. Awesome.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 28 November 2005 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

i watched all of season 1 on DVD and have been following this season broadcast. what strikes me is that season 1 seemed fairly formulaic -- each episode focused on one character (via flashbacks) and either pushed ahead the island mystery and/or the character. this season seems much more diffuse, or maybe "audience driven" (eg "this episode we must resolve the story of the tail passengers"). still the only show i regularly watch (aside from inescapable Raymond and L&O reruns)

people liked da vinci code even though it was a terribly written piece of crap because it executed its formula flawlessly.

i'm wondering whether i would like this season more if i'd waited for the DVD.

― mitya can't remember his frigging password, Monday, 28 November 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

You haters are mad, I think Lost keeps getting better each episode! The only episode so far that I didn't really like was the Jack flashback one towards the end of the first series where he spent the entire episode pouring blood into a dying Boone while everyone else was off in the woods taking care of Claire (who was having her baby). The last two have been the best since the Numbers and Locke/kidney (18/19?).

― melton mowbray (adr), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Whatever her acting limitations, Michelle Rodriguez has an amazingly changeable face. When she lightens up she looks like a totally different person.

I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment. Never have I seen a face that so fits the description 'bulldog chewing a wasp'. And when she smiles she just looks as though she's shifting the wasp around her mouth a little bit to get a better chew. I can't stand her. Can't stand her character, can't stand her stupid gobby mouth, can't stand her stupid scowl.
I love the fact that Michael didn't ask what the bunker was and what everyone was doing in it. First of all, he doesn't give a shit about anything that isn't finding Walt and second of all, after everything that's happened, he's supposed to be surprised that there are two bunkers?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

'bulldog chewing a wasp'
That is so perfect!
But I insist, there were some fleeting moments of loveliness. You might have been blinking.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Most of Ana Lucia's loveliness was shown in the bar at the airport. I had been waiting for someone to bash her head in like they should have done with that kid in that Twilight Zone episode, but it seems the writers may be mellowing her out.

― nickn (nickn), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

I need to review the airport bar scene. Nevertheless I agree with accentmonkey. I look forward to Ana Lucia proving Locke wrong, that everyone deserves a second chance, and getting tied to a stake and eaten by those invisible tree-rustling monsters at some point in a future episode. This week would work for me.

I hate it when people call me a 'hater'.

― Mitya (mitya), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

I will call you a lover, then.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

I love the fact that Michael didn't ask what the bunker was and what everyone was doing in it. First of all, he doesn't give a shit about anything that isn't finding Walt and second of all, after everything that's happened, he's supposed to be surprised that there are two bunkers?

ok point taken, but it deserved at least one line of dialogue. also, those bunkers were pretty radically different.

and i'm telling you, regardless of how Ana Lucia looks, the way she acts betrays to me that this is a TV show, that no one outside of a show would actually behave that way. it seems to me the reason she just sits around the whole episode is because ... either the writers couldn't think up anything else for her to do, or they wanted to impress false gravity onto a situation that isn't nearly as loaded as they'd like us to think. this past episode was the first in which i was actually wondering "so what?" at the end.

― lemin (lemin), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Kate's face as Jack reveals shock and familiarity with Ana Lucia, and at the sight of Sawyer...

I wanted Sayid to ask Michael how he had got back on the island, as well as Michael to ask about the hatch.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

I hate it when people call me a 'hater'.

You're right, it is a pretty awful word, sorry. (Beth's reply was so much better)

Still, I think this new series is fantastic, and find myself anticipating each next episode more than I did with the first. Did you see how big that gun Locke was playing with was!? Something big's going to kick off sooner or later, because there's no way they're going to be shown and not used.

― melton mowbray (adr), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

This week would work for me.
I'm checking my book... yes, that works for me too. Excellent, let's action that.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

this past episode was the first in which i was actually wondering "so what?" at the end.
I agree with you, and I think that maybe I don't like her partly because she drags the action down. Elsewhere in the episode, Jin and Michael and Sawyer were being reunited with people (and dogs (that dog just makes me cry all the time)) they haven't seen for ages. Bernard and Rose were also being reunited, something that's been signalled since the very first episode. Locke and Mr. Ecko said hello to each other and the two sets of survivors hook up. And then there's this dead fucking weight in the middle of it all with no comic potential, no lightness of touch, no particularly interesting backstory, and nothing much to do. Of course I don't like her.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

I can't stand her perfect teeth.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

(that dog just makes me cry all the time)
Vincent is MY favorite character. I want backstory. PUPPYHOOD, PEOPLE!!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

this episode was pretty crap, the worst of the series so far. reunions were pretty good but as ever the less ana lucia stories the better.

did anyone else laugh out loud at the clunkiness of "is this because you're my captain, or MY MOTHER!!"

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I laughed and laughed. It was pretty easy to figure out that she was Ana's mother from the beginning of the episode, but it was supposed to be super-dramatic.

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Lost is the HIGH POINT of my week. That is, I know, pathetic.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

You'd be less pathetic if you watched Veronica Mars instead! Like me.
Or if you bagged endlessly on Lost! Like me.

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoy both, it's weird how most VM fans are so defensive about Lost.

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not defensive! Am I?

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'll check it out (VM) when there's a whole season on DVD. Is there?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

LOST is most def the highlight of my week. Tonight: LOST followed by Settlers and/or ROCKING OUT.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

The first season is out on dvd.

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― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

I will watch it. I need more TV in my life.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

What is 'The Settlers'?
I vote for rocking out, though.

― 57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

Settlers of Catan!!!!

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 1 December 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

It was Kate's father who robbed Sawyer's family?

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 1 December 2005 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

Wow wow wow wow wow, the ending!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

I honestly have no idea how to even approach predicting what will happen with that ending.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

I love that they're back to the good old sci-fi mystery stuff; it's been too long since we've had enough of that. Every scene with Locke and Mr. Ecko is great too.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

that's better!

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

That was pretty good. I assume no new episodes until after bowl-game season...

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

that was excellent.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

The next episode is "The 23rd Psalm," and it airs January 11, 2006.

It's the Eko flashback episode! I am unbelievably psyched for this.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

JANUARY 11TH?! WTF?!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

Football and holiday travel pretty much cause network programmers to shut dramatic series down during December.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's totally hilarious that the Charlie flashback episode is being directed by Darren Aranofsky, by the way.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

even more hilarious because of that re-appropriation of the requiem for a dream theme music for the lord of the rings trailers.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

DO NOT MISTAKE COINCIDENCE FOR FATE

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that one is going to get quoted a LOT from here on out.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://timdorr.com/images/Lost/thatsjustsayid.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

Holy Shit!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/prompt.swf

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

That's just like the second Sun/Jin episode where Hurley is on the TV in the background.

― fanboy7732901, Thursday, 1 December 2005 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

Except this makes a lot more sense than an American lottery winner being on S. Korean TV.

― fanboy7732901, Thursday, 1 December 2005 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I loved the FUCK out of that!!!! My stokedness levels are as high as they were after the premier, during which my friends were clutching each other and I was rolling around on the floor in a ball. This show is so ~*~*iNtEnSe*~*~. I had really lost (lol do u c) enthusiasm sometime after Desmond left (still pissed about them chasing him off) - I think sandwiching the Locke/Hurley/JinSun flashback eps between then and now was a big mistake. It really sucked all the momentum out of what was happening and sorta threw off the rhythm, if they'd came a little later it would've been ok. It esp. pissed me off bcz the episodes were so BAD - Locke and Hurley were my favorite characters, but their episodes sucked so much and made so little sense (esp Locke's which was completely unnecessary) that I actually like them a lot less now. Things seem to be settling into the rhythm I'm accustomed to tho. I'm glad the writers seem to recognize how totally badass it is to have Adebisi on the show, and as such have given him a ton of screentime.

― IN UR BASE KILLING ALL UR DUDES (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:02 (nineteen years ago)

You know what I hate?
?
?
?
My negative attitude! I'm a new man, by golly.

For a man of faith, Loch doesn't seem to know much about thee Olde Testement!

I was hoping that when Kate and Jock were arguing over who got to watch over Sawer, that one would say that s/he didn't like Sharon in the first place so why go to the funeral?

I think, however, that the relatively flat and predictable Kate story this episode short-changed the ending, which I, being the smartest person on this thread, saw coming. Still, "good old sci-fi mystery stuff" indeed!

And Mr. Gecko is so bloody cool, he's like the Walter Matthau to Loch's Jack Lemmon!

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

I am also thankful that the show's second-most charismatic character is no longer in a coma!

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. Best episode yet, S1 or 2. Why can't they all be like that?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:52 (nineteen years ago)

Who is that on the TV? Sawyer?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:53 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Kate killed the people because she feels pressure from her daddy.
Accentmonkey almost called it.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:57 (nineteen years ago)

It's Sayid on the TV. Al Jazeera, maybe.

― fanboy7732901, Thursday, 1 December 2005 06:58 (nineteen years ago)

He was the only beardo I remembered, but couldn't figure out why he was on TV.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

this was great. although it doesn't make any sense why someone would cut out that part of the film.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think sandwiching the Locke/Hurley/JinSun flashback eps between then and now was a big mistake.

No, it wasn't. It did dull down the momentum for a bit, but structurally, it made sense to get that out of the way early on before charging full speed ahead with plotlines later in the season. It is somewhat necessary to get those bits of backstory out of the way, and if they went plot heavy from start to finish, they never would have gotten around to it.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe someone cut out that "do not use the computer for anything other than button-pushing because there could be incidents!" part of the film because they WANTED incidents! Incidents are PART OF THE PLAN. Michael's rustling up a good one.
I still say that aliens and/or time travel portals are involved. The horse, wet walt, jack's dad, all the other manifestations snatched out of people's brains. Weird academic experimenters from the seventies couldn't do that, no matter how much LSD they used.
I think the writers will reveal the whole truth eventually, parcelling out morsels along the way. But if they told us everything, there'd be no show left. It's tantric sex—enjoy the ride.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

ARRRR! Bloody great. It seems I'm not the only one thinking this, but yeah, after slowly getting disillusioned with Lost over the last few weeks, I'm suddenly gripped again. Yay!

Hurley almost sort-of admitted that he used to be in the mental hospital! And annoying self-obsessed jack failed to say "hold on..." and get the full story out of him. Grr.

Also, it's a star wars love triangle (jack=luke, sawyer=han)! Ace, they're the best sort.

Waiting until January 11 is INSANE though. :(

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

They ('they') cut out that part of the film because you're not supposed to know you can even try to contact the outside world. It's another one of the crappy mysteries that will never actually make sense.

Please, Lost Gods, just stick to Jack and Sawyer and Kate and Sayid interacting. Plz have Charlie die of a heroin overdose and the Australian girl fall off a cliff.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

jack already knew about hurley being in the hospital.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Did he? When did he find out about that? Did I miss a bit?

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― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

boo, that didn't work....try this:

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― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Ah piss.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

At the beginning of this season.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

For images over a certain size, you have to use img src and not i.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Please, Lost Gods, just stick to Jack and Sawyer and Kate and Sayid interacting.

Locke, Eko, Ana Lucia and Michael all rule! You're crazy.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

And Claire is a cutie!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Supposedly no more deaths are planned for this season.

I actually think there's a lot of potential in Charlie, if they have him interact with the right characters (not Claire - sorry, Beth). The whole Sawyer saga I am finding just a bit too predictable.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

My girlfriend has a total boner for Jin now after the opening shot of him coming out of the tent shirtless and abtastic.

I was suprised to find so many positive reactions to last night's ep - I loved it, but not until the end part with the HAUNTED INSTANT MESSENGER.

Other brief notes:
(1) I was terrified at first that it was unicorn, not a horse!
(2) Kate got super-buff between S1 and S2, and I kept noticing her huge biceps in the flashback parts.
(3) Did I totally miss something about Kate's Dad robbing Sawyer's family or something? Or what is this: "It was Kate's father who robbed Sawyer's family? -- Mitya (nospa...), December 1st, 2005." about?

― Mugged Outside the Jabberjaw, 1993 (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

"Please, Lost Gods, just stick to Jack and Sawyer and Kate and Sayid interacting."

I'm with Matt. This is the worst suggestion I've heard yet.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 1 December 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa, I just watched it.
Do not mistake coincidence for fate!! I'm inclined to trust him and his knowing ways, but maybe we are being steered in the wrong direction. Maybe he's wrong even if he seems convincing. Or maybe we're just all inclined to think there's some Greater Purpose to it all, even if there isn't. Greater Purpose would be what it's all about - that there's something linking everyone in the world (6degrees,man) so all the Lost people are of course linked too. Maybe it is all coincidence. We string the coincidences together to makes sense of the situation, add reason to it. I guess this is one of the themes of the show though. (ohnoes META.)

But now with the computer thing - maybe Walt is IN THERE, not just in front of a screen.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

"The child is IN the computer?!"

"My boy's a box...damn you! A box!"

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not saying eliminate all the other characters, or their plots - but the series is strongest when those characters are at the forefront of the action. Locke and Ecko could probably get lumped in there too.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoyed this hugely after initially thinking it would be a weak/dull episode - so much going on at once and they involved a lot more characters than usual, and managed it pretty well.

Though I am disappointed that there has been NO security system/nanodust yet this season.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

Hypo:

Walt is at the THIRD facility, which is held by the Others (or some other, fourth faction) and is using their computer.

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

xpost up to mugged:

I typed that just as Kate started her speech. I just thought that's where it was going -- always looking for those weird patterns of characters' lives crossing. Still possible, I guess.

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

Definitely the best episode of late. They kind of kneecapped Locke for a while there, I'm glad to have him back in the middle of things...and I hope that he & Ecko get some more airtime, I love those 2 on screen together.

Maybe they'll have a Tron episode where Michael goes into the computer to find Walt & play Jai-Alai against the Others.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

Locke is so strange. The way he kind of smiles slightly when listening to people - kind of like a grimace but also mocking or, I don't know - what does that expression mean?! It makes him interesting to watch anyway, which I think makes him my favourite character right now. See, b/c sometimes I think he's cool and everything's alllrrrright, but then he loses it and freaks out slightly about pressing the button. Hm.

LOSTRON!

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

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― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 2 December 2005 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe they'll have a Tron episode

PLEASE GOD LET IT BE SO

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 2 December 2005 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe that when Michael saw the word 'Hello?' on the screen I actually complained out loud about it being in a serif font.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 2 December 2005 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

LIKE ALL GOOD COMPUTER FONTS WERE BACK IN THE GOOD OL DAYS

I wanted him to type

>HELP

"Help is not an action that is needed in this game"

or > KILL DWARF WITH AXE or summink

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 2 December 2005 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

"So Rose's husband is white....didn't see that coming"

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha, yes, that line was fantastic and made me roffle. I really like the way hurley occasionally represeents the voice of the viewing public. (See also "why hasn't hurley lost any weight" and "who the hell is arzt, what about all the other people on the island?" discussions).

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 2 December 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

(Watched last nigh) I have the fear that LOST is secretly Highway to Heaven.
THE REASON THEY ARE ALL LOST is because they are all alienated from their fathers. IF WE RETURN TO THE LORD, WE WILL BE FOUND.

(maybe not)

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

i think Hurley has lost weight visibly now, but Jack's hair hasn't grown enough. Locke is looking particularly slimmer.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Sawyer really does need a haircut.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

I liked it when Kate and Jack kissed. It was sexy.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

I think it is an interesting love triangle now, whereas before I didn't. Actually this is the first inter-character storyline that has interested me. I liked it when Jack and Kate were doing their "I'll look after him / No it's fine, I'll do it" dance.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

I do like the whole 'Sawyer is all I deserve' thing going on with Kate, in that we've now seen she's a cold murderous bitch due to problematic childhood, just like Sawyer. Whereas Jack is the saint you can't taint - though where that leaves him and Ana Lucia is interesting and may well conflict with Kate's supposed rationale that despite Jack being the logical choice, it clearly wouldn't work and she is teh toxic (similarity with Ana Lucia here which will preumably be explored more as they start talking to each other - maybe Ana Lucia to replace Jack in the love triangle. Jack will then get off with Vincent).

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Also loved Jin's 'I JUST HAD SEX' face at the start.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Tailers be drunks!

Watros and Rodriguez nabbed for DUIs

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Huk, I hope you're not right. But the father issues are rampant - but, again, coincidence or fate? Doesn't everyone have some kind of father issue?

That kiss was way more sexy than I thought it would be.

Lost self-reflexivity embodied by Hurley: It would be awesome if Hurley showed up on Nip/Tuck as the actor playing himself and then went back to Lost with half of him lipoed away. "Where've you been, Hurley?" "Uh, just going to the bathroom. For 2 hours."

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Presumably any contraception they all have will soon run out and there'll be babies everywhere.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

half-mango diaphragms

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

lotsa dead dads on lost

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

is hurley's dad alive? i only remember his mom.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

lotsa evil dads on lost.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley's dad = the guy Kate blew up. Actually, everybody's dad = the guy Kate blew up. This is the true story of Lost.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Let's catalogue it:
Sawyer - dead dad b/c of suicide?
Jack - dead dad b/c of drinking/fuckingup
Kate - dead dad b/c she killed him, step-dad who loves her
Locke - dad wants nothing to do with him, stole his kidney
Michael - is a dad, wasn't in son's life for a while. lost his son.
Jin - loves his dad but has issues with class
Sun - dad kills people for a living, corrupted her husband
Hurley - have not seen his dad. dadless?
Charlie - ? (stole from girlfriend's dad)
Sayid - ?
Claire - is a mom. father of child took off.
Anna-Lucia - ?
Mr. Ecko - man of god, god=father
what else?

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Locke - dad wants nothing to do with him, stole his kidney

ha ha. when you put it like that you can't help but see the funny side.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Anna-Lucia - ?

Well, mum = boss. So that's still a parental issue.

I never quite got my head round the boon/shannon family background. But boon's real mum didn't like shannon, or something, right? And did they share a father? Did they have some dead parents too?

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

What was the deal with Shannon and wotsit's dad(s)? I can't even remember, their story was so dull.

ha - x-post

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

haha, I totally forgot about Shannon and Boone. Sharing the same father messed them up, seemed to be portrayed as the seat of their problems (want but can't have), so, yes! Dad issues!
("but they come from different moms.")

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Shannon's dad was the one who was in the car with Jack's paralyzed wife. Boon and Shannon did not share parents. They were step-siblings.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

no, wait, maybe they didn't even have the same dad? i totally cannot remember.
xpost!

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

I always sort of interpret it as being this to be Locke expressing "I am very interested in what you have to say and I am open to your ideas" mixed with some degree of unintentional condescension. It's the look people give little kids, you know?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Adebisi is my favorite character. (He was my favorite character on OZ too--I was bummed when he got killed off.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

I interpret it as a reflection of the priapism he has had ever since landing on the island and getting to live out his ultimate fantasy and err... stop shipping boxes from a wheelchair.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's true too.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

See, it's COMPLEX. And that is why Locke is a great character.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377

this may be old news.
m.

― msp (mspa), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

that was a terrible episode--the last one. especially the freakin' DELETED SCENE that turned out to just emphasize what dude was saying in the first place! why'd they have to hide that in a book? and what was with that story about the old testament--i guess the message was "you can learn things sometimes from books"? only they didn't learn anything they didn't already know!

also the old movie footage looks so fake, like they shot it in hi-def video & threw on a cheapo avid filter! you guys can afford 16mm!

also the "dad, i killed you" monologue was barftastic.

i like a lot about this show but i can't commit to it; it's the new x-files (in the bad way)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

ooh, cool. (That was some sweet geeking-out time.)
xpost

slocki, I agree with everything you said, yet I still loved this episode!

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

let me get one thing straight cause i didnt understand it: kate was NOT molested by her dad, right?

if that is the case how on earth do the writers expect us to feel sympathy toward her killing him? i sure as hell do not.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

The deleted scene said they could (theoretically) use the Doomsday Machine to contact the outside world. That wasn't mentioned in the main film.

Kate's dad was beating her mom and had abandoned her (as a baby), but that was it. I don't think we're supposed to feel sympathy for her - her step-dad even said she had murder in her heart and blah blah blah.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but it doesn't matter anyway bcz someone independent of the movie club started communicating with it anyway!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

At first I thought that was a stupid move but when I think about it Sayid was torturing people when he was in the Republican Guard(although he is very remorseful about that) so he's not the only one who did inexcusable things(IMO).

FWIW I have no problem with Jack at all. Everyone over at imdb.com seems to hate him but I really like him. Some people teach while others.....eh.....some people lead....or however it goes. Wtf. He's just doing what he got to do. And he has a nice smile.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

just because kate told the US marshall that father didn't molest her doesn't necessarily mean her father did not molest her.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but it doesn't matter anyway bcz someone independent of the movie club started communicating with it anyway!
But he didn't - Michael communicated with his kidnapped son, presumably still on the island.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

what's the diff? he communicated with someone else by using the computer!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

outside world = rescue

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, you're not supposed to do anything with the computer except PUDDING SPAZ, that's all. It's all down/up?hill from here.

outside world = "compromises the project" - but who is overseeing the project now? Has it been utterly abandoned by the outside world? And if the plane crash was a plan of some sort, there has to be a plan devisor. Oh, haha, I mean DIVINE CREATOR. (sorry, but y'know.)

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

i can't wait until we find out who is behind the curtain

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha!
(jesus.)

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

holy shit! that theory linked to up there sounds like it ccould actually have at least some credibility.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

he communicated with someone else by using the computer!

The cut chunk of film affected our reaction to michael using the computer. If we hadn't seen it, we'd have been thinking "Ooh, yay! Rescue!", but because we had, we were thinking "Oh noes, end of the world, don't do it mike!". And then of course "dad?" tipped all that on it's head anyway. So yeah, the way that scene played with our expectations was really nice.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

And yes, that link was ace, expecially the connection between the octagon ceiling and the dharma logo! It almost makes me think that the writers maybe aren't making it all up as they go along after all...

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

the dharma logo is on the plane in the first episode, of course they are planning this shit out meticulously.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting, yes, but overly complex. The audience would revolt, I bet, if that was actually what was going on.

And I still believe that even the writers don't know the answers to some questions for sure. Can someone post a screencap of above-mentioned dharma logo on the plane in the first episode? (Not that I'm doubting you...)

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

If we hadn't seen it, we'd have been thinking "Ooh, yay! Rescue!", but because we had, we were thinking "Oh noes, end of the world, don't do it mike!"

Why do you believe anything the film says? My reaction wasn't formed by the film at all - I figure it's 100% red herring. All it did was tell me that there's a possibility of communication with the outside world, and that whomever made the film wanted to scare the subjects away from it.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tabularasa5302gv.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

and Walt did say DONT PUDDING SPAZ. I'm with him, no more film rules.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

Why do you believe anything the film says?

Well, cos I'm happy to suspend my disbelief and go along on the ride that the writers want me to go along on. I see no benefit in skepticism - sure, I might end up guessing the right answer, but I'll be reducing my own enjoyment of the show until then. I mean, if I start thinking that this or that part of the plot isn't 'real', then it's only a couple more stpes before I'm reminding myself that NONE OF IT IS REAL, IT'S JUST TELLY. And where's the fun in that, eh?

― JimD (JimD), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

Why do you believe anything the film says?

Why would you need to? The film says "don't use the computer," then cut to Michael, who hadn't seen the film, using the computer. It's called "drama."

And the purpose of the film (apart from it's admittley overhyped-ness) is to allude to "another incident." Stated as if the intended viewers of the film would know what that first incident was. (Where's Desmond, BTW? Built his own raft already, has he?)

There was something troublesome about Ecko's story. Namely, it had nothing to do with anything. Guess he just likes telling Bible stories. Maybe it's a knee jerk habit of his.

Jack: "Get me some bandages!"
Ecko: "In ancient Babylon, there was once a man who needed bandages... have you heard this story?"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

Jack: "Get me some bandages!"

Haha, don't you mean water?

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 3 December 2005 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

Why would you need to?

Because JimD's premise (re: coloring perception) depends on the film telling the truth. Duh.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

that dharma logo on the plane looks totally photoshopped

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

it's in the episode, dude.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

i hate that nothing ever seems real anymore. goddamn this progress!

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

Because JimD's premise (re: coloring perception) depends on the film telling the truth. Duh.

You have missed Jim D's presise entirely. His premise depends on *assuming* that the film is telling the truth, for the sake of giving the plot the benefit of the doubt, because this show is so ridiculous to begin with that if you can't swallow that much, why watch?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

There's no reason to believe that the narrative arc rests on that filmstrip 'telling the truth,' so why would I believe that it was?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

That was badly worded - but you're assuming that the writers want us to believe the filmstrip, that they've been leading up to it, confirming the disaster, etc.. They haven't - they gave us a lead character (Jack) skeptical of the magick electromagnetic field disaster and Sayid didn't seem too phased by it either.

Within the realm of the plot as written, the odds are just as good that the film strip is telling the truth and that the strip is a pack of lies.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

― JimD (JimD), Saturday, 3 December 2005 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

i googled the oersted satellite, and its orbit is meant to be something like 100 minutes OMG!!!!!11

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley - have not seen his dad. dadless?

He did say he used to go fishing with his old man off Santa Monica Pier. But then, his daddy wasn't around when he hit lotto gold. In true Lost fashion, I'm sure his daddy's death will be related to the incident that put him in a mental hospital.

― nklshs, Saturday, 3 December 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

winning the lottery is what put him in the mental hospital. remember?

do you people actually watch this show?

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 3 December 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

actually, i may be half-wrong/half-right:

he said he got the numbers from the mental institution, then played them. BUT, in the episode where he is in charge of food, it was insinuated that the way people treated him after winning the lottery was what put him in the hospital.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 3 December 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

actually, i may be half-wrong/half-right

I think you may be just wrong. He got the numbers from the crazy guy in the hospital, who is not someone he would have met outside of there. He had to have been in the hospital before he won the lottery. Unless he checked in twice.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

you just quoted me, then repeated what i said.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I don't remember it being insinuated that the lottery put him in the hospital. Or I ignored such insinuation, because it wouldn't make sense.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

"it's happening again," etc

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, see, I thought that was just about everyone hating him. Not necessarily putting him in the hospital (a second time).

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

And anyway, given what we know about Lost, the "daddy put me in the mental hospital" theory is pretty air-tight.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if the other 30-ish survivors also had terrible fathers. We may never know.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

So you think the writers wanted us to watch the final scene this week, see Michael type HELLO, and think "ah, I'm sure that'll be ok, the film was probably lying anyway"? Hmm. I guess you might be right. But I think I'd assume otherwise.
But the two weren't really related - the film warned against communicating with the outside world (rescue!) and Michael was talking to his son on the island.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

But it is using the computer for non-typing-in-the-numbers business.

I'm going to be really irritated if I've waited until January to find out that Michael's really just hallucinating and nothing happens. (Earlier in the episode Locke hit some random keys to no effect)

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

and Michael was talking to his son on the island.

That's assuming a lot.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

the film warned against communicating with the outside world (rescue!)

That's just plain innacurate. The film warned, in very specific wording, again using the computer for any purpose other than entering the code and pushing the button.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

The film specifically referred to 'attempting to contact the outside world.'

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Michael was talking to his son on the island.

But we didn't know that at the beginning of the scene! We only found that out when somebody (maybe walt) typed "dad?". At the beginning, when michael first typed "hello", I think we were pretty obviously meant to assume that was at least potential contact with the outside world.

(um, this is my last post on this particular subtopic, we're just going round in circles, I'm struggling to see which bit of my point you don't get)

in the episode where [hurley] is in charge of food, it was insinuated that the way people treated him after winning the lottery was what put him in the hospital.

Ah, I guess that's the bit I missed then, I was explaining backstory to somebody at the same time I was watching that episode. I'll rewatch it.

― JimD (JimD), Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

The film specifically referred to 'attempting to contact the outside world.'

It did, but only because that's what they knew the hatch people would be most tempted to do. The main thrust of it was that YOU DO NOT USE THE COMPUTER FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN ENTERING THE NUMBERS AND RESETTING THE TIMER.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

"When the alarm sounds, either you or your partner must input the code. It is highly recommended that you and your partner take alternating shifts. In this manner you will stay as fresh and alert [splice] utmost importance that when the alarm sounds the code be entered correctly, and in a timely fashion. Do not attempt to use the computer [splice] for anything else other than the entering of the code. This is its only function. The isolation that attends the duties associated with Station 3 may tempt you to try and utilize the computer for communication with the outside world. This is strictly forbidden. Attempting to use the computer in this manner will compromise the integrity of the project and worse, could lead to another incident. I repeat, do not use the computer for anything other than entering the code. Congratulations, until your replacements arrive, the future of the project is in your hands. On behalf of the DeGroots, Alvar Hanso and all of us at the Dharma Initiative, thank you. Namaste. And good luck.

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

for the people in the hatch, the island counts as 'the outside world'

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

You didn't put the relevant/important part in bold:
The isolation that attends the duties associated with Station 3 may tempt you to try and utilize the computer for communication with the outside world. This is strictly forbidden. Attempting to use the computer in this manner will compromise the integrity of the project and worse, could lead to another incident.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

right, and the 'outside world' isn't necessarily 'rescue' but 'not the hatch'...

and i'm really not buying that the hexagon on the plane is a dharma logo. it's a hexagon, that's all. tie it into the hexagon-shaped ceiling when michael goes to meet walt, sure, but i think it's reaching.

that 'ultimate theory' link above is so right-on believeable that i would love if it were the actual explanation.

― heywood jablomi (heywood), Saturday, 3 December 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

they're totally making it up as they go along! and if you don't believe that i have some x-files and alias boxed sets to sell ya

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 3 December 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

I think the quote I read from one of the Lost creators saying as much was the biggest spoiler I could ever have read.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 3 December 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

right, and the 'outside world' isn't necessarily 'rescue' but 'not the hatch'...
It's rescue for the Lost castaways. 'Not the hatch' doesn't make any sense - why would the people in the hatch expect to communicate with others on the island? They're the only outpost according to the film. And if the island is so spooky, how did they get people into the hatch without them seeing the island?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Why don't they write the numbers on a post-it and stick it to the computer so nobody will have the problem Locke had? Duh, guys!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 3 December 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

did they have post-its 30 years ago when the bunker was built?

(do we know exactly when the bunker was built?)

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 3 December 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

They can write it on with nail polish. There's probably some in the luggage.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 3 December 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

In 1977 Post-it notes were test marketed in four U.S. cities. In two of the cities the results were discouraging, but in the other two they were astonishing. Investigation as to the differing results disclosed that in the cities where reception was enthusiastic, dealers were handing out free samples. That was all it took—just getting the notes in the hands of the consumers. The rest is, to use a cliche, history. In 1980 Post-its were widely used throughout the United States, and by early 1981 sales in Europe paralleled those in the United States.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 December 2005 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

Awesome research, Scott! So the cutting-edge technicians who built the bunker would definitely have included a case of post-it prototypes. No need to struggle with your memory when you're trying to avert the apocalypse!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 3 December 2005 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking why don't they set up a function key with the numbers (those are DOS era, I'm pretty sure).

Another Post-It fact: It was invented by some company trying a new glue formula, and was almost discarded because it didn't stick permanently like glue, but someone at the company thought its non-permanent properties could be useful.

― nickn (nickn), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

i think Locke just mistyped rather than forgot the numbers. it's an easy mistake to make, especially as the delay between pressing the key and the number appearing on screen seems noticeably slow.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Sunday, 4 December 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

The slow response times that attend the duties associated with Station 3 may tempt you to add RAM to the computer. This is strictly forbidden. Attempting to soup up the performance of the computer in this manner will compromise the integrity of the project and worse, could lead to another incident.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 4 December 2005 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

The drab decor associated with station 3 may tempt you to install an awesome screen saver. This is strictly forbidden.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island. Not long after the experiments began, however, there was an ... incident. Since that time an Appropriate Internet Usage policy has been drawn up, which all employees must sign and return to the human resources department.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 4 December 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

if that is the case how on earth do the writers expect us to feel sympathy toward her killing him? i sure as hell do not.

well he beat her mother up repeatedly

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 4 December 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

do you think the other castaways are pissed that they don't get to hang out in the bunker and have movie nights too?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 4 December 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

I would imagine they're just relieved to have someone to talk to besides crazy-ass girlfighter.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 4 December 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

MY CHRISTMAS LIST:

They have Circle Time like kindergartners and Kate tells everyone the truth and they all say "that's okay Kate, we're glad you killed that nasty fucker, we would have, too,"
and Sawyer tells the truth about getting tricked into killing that guy and they all say "that's okay, Sawyer, anyone could have made that mistake."
also:
We get to see the backstory of at least one of The Others. They could capture one. I want to see another Other up close!
Charlie goes back on junk.
Mr. Ecko does not spout any more scripture.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 4 December 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

we've already seen at least two of the Others, perhaps three if Desmond turns out to be one.

― Mitya (mitya), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

When Eko and Jin were hiding and watching some Others go by, one of them was carrying a teddy bear. During the tail-section survivors' recap episode, one of the kids who was kidnapped in the night was holding a teddy bear. Anybody else think it was the same bear? (I don't think this question has come up already, sorry if it has.)

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

yeah noticed that, I guess it's the same kid, and not Walt.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody else think it was the same bear?

how about anybody else NOT think it was the same bear? and if so, are you retarded?

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

The third bunker might be a huge bear warehouse.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

BEAR WAREHOUSE. That is totally the name of my noise band.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

bears with cocaine inside.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

"bears with cocaine inside, marys full of heroine" is our first single.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 5 December 2005 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

I mean "heroin", of course.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Monday, 5 December 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

I know it's probably just an accident of the editor, but just after Kate takes Sawyer out of the bunker (to prove they're still on the island) they see the horse. When it cuts to the wider angle of the horse, there's a hand sticking in the right-side of the screen. It's obviously the horse trainer, but they've got big frilly pirate cuffs on! Like the pirates that stole Walt!!

― Craig Gilchrist (Craig Gilchrist), Monday, 5 December 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Adam Ant is behind all of the island shenanigans. If so, greatest plot twist ever.

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Monday, 5 December 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

i saw that too. must've been a mistake.
xpost

― howell huser (chaki), Monday, 5 December 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

If Adam Ant is on the island, the gorillas will not be far behind.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.hainsworth.com/blog/puffy_shirt.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 5 December 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

But horse trainers don't normally wear pirate shirts, do they? Maybe it's not a mistake, and the Others have some knowledge of what images will affect Kate, and therefore play to them. Or maybe at some point on their stay the Others implanted a horse image associated with her getting away from the agent.

― nickn (nickn), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

it was a black glove not a frilly shirt

― howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

Craig Gilchrist be havin' puffy-shirt pirate fantasies.

As for post-its, my favorite scene of one of my favorite movies is when Romy and Michelle claim to have invented Post-its during their high school reunion. She dreams the formula of that glue.

Who has caused someone's death, directly or indirectly?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

I just remembered there's no Lost on tonight. @#$%!

― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Jack chose to care for the woman over the man who died.
Kate whacked daddy-kins
Sawyer killed the guy in Australia
Jin, presumably, killed a few people
Sayid probably killed some insurgents
Mistah Ecko
Girlfighter
Charlie

Not responsible for any known deaths:
Hurley
Claire
Jin's wife
Rose and her husband

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

What about Hurley's grandfather? Hurley may not be directly responsible for that, but he surely feels guilt over it and all the other misfortunes to people around him (surely including a few more deaths...the box factory fire???) since he won the lotto.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

also, wasn't Rose's husband once the principal of Mike Seaver's High School? Which surely, y'know, = deathkill.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

That was ok episode, because of funny! Yay Sawyer!

Didn't we see Rose's husband last year on the plane? And wasn't he a thin, balding black guy? Not Arzt, Jr.?

I just realized -- Kate : Lost :: Von : Alias.

― Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gentleee as you move (Leee), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

I miss Lost already :(

― melton mowbray (adr), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

back to the first episode with the TailXors, didn't it seem odd that there was a wild chicken on the island? I reckon Goodwin planted it there, the Others having a whole bunch of them at their swank ranch over yonder.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 8 December 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Other Acres

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 9 December 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

just watching ep 8 -- man I hate what'sherface -- the one people were calling "girlfight" or something

she is the worst ever

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

can someone please post a picture of girlfighter's dwi mugshot from hawaii??? pleeeeze. it's actually a cute lil' drunken mugshot.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mtvla.com/bands/az/j/michael_jackson/jackson_mugshot.jpg

― melton mowbray (adr), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/lostgirlsmug1.jpg

Not so lucky:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/lostgirlsmug1.jpg

― Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistent. (Leee), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

I hate her

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

they are both stoned out of their gourds

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

i like my girlfighters drunk & bleary-eyed!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

That way we stand a better chance in the ring.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

Best so far, you weirdos!

"Nothing happened"? What happened: sharp Sawyer funnies! Echo coolness! One of the better flashbacks if you ignore its inept logic!

― Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistent. (Leee), Thursday, 15 December 2005 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

I had the most amazing Lost dreams last night. So vivid. And scary. There were people being experimented on in the basement of some old woman's house. Very creepy. There was a chemical compound that was very important to remember, but i forgot the name of it. Kate looked great. And they were in color! Like, technicolor.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 15 December 2005 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

Keeping the thread alive!
_______

Michelle Rodriguez, a star on ABC's "Lost," complained after her arrest for drunken driving earlier this month that police were taking away her freedom.

Officers pulled Rodriguez over early on Dec. 1 after spotting her black Mercedes allegedly weaving down Pali Highway in the Honolulu-bound lanes from Kailua. Rodriguez had a blood alcohol level of 0.145, nearly twice the legal limit of 0.08, according to documents obtained by KITV-TV.

KITV quoted court and police documents that said Rodriguez was "very argumentative" and kept interrupting the officer who was explaining drunk driving sanctions to her.

"I don't (expletive) belong here! Why don't you just put a gun to my head and shoot me! You've already taken my freedom! You might as well take my life too!" she said, KITV reported Friday.
_____

I guess she's playing close to her real self, eh?

― Mitya (mitya), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Let's dust this sucker off. Tonight's the night!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

It turns out 'Dad' is just an acronym for 'Dharma Augmented Directive'. Boy is Michael's face red.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Hah! I'd forgotten that it left off there!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

What the eff is "Revelations"? Is it a clip show?

― c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 12 January 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

meh

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, "The 23rd Psalm" is my new favorite episode of the series. Well, until next week, maybe.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

says mehtthew perpetua

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

wow faces in the smoke.

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

Cutty, many things have changed for me since the beginning of this thread. For example, I zoomed through the first season and am pretty much fully converted to the show at this point.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone have a screen freeze of the smoke - something in there.

― 57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

What the eff is "Revelations"

anyone?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

It was just a clip show covering all the important bits of plot so that people could jump on to the new episode without being confused.

I was trying to pause as much as I could of the black smoke earlier, and I couldn't get any good freeze frames with my dvr. I'm pretty sure I saw an image of a black boy flash by, but I'm not really sure. And if it was, I don't know if it was meant to be Walt or a vision from Eko's past.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 January 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

It was Eko's past evil, trying to catch up with him, and he faced it down.
I felt great horror during the extended prayer sequence. NO, LOST!!!! DON'T GO THERE!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

What if Walt becomes a Noizedude?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Eko is fucking awesome.

Also, the actor who plays him is maybe the most intimidating man in show business.

― Dan (Woot) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

did you watch oz?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

OH YES

― Dan (Adebisi!) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

i wish he would wear that little hat

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/

PICS

― BINGEE, Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmmmm...
I'm not really sure I like the blatancy of the sentient smoke/gas. Everything else up until this point has been, well, POSSIBLY supernatural, but maybe also just coincidence/delusion/whatever.
HOWEVER, if the final ever episode of Lost ends with Dr. Jack looking back at the beach as everybody celebrates their ultimate rescue and sees holo-phantoms of his dad, Shannon, Boone, and Yoda looking on approvingly, I'll be cool like that.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I really want kate to take her haircutting scissors and snip off that dingleberry on Eko's beard, though.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartdust

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I'm really happy to see that it's Eko-past stuff flashing by.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think there's much supernatural going on in the show at all, Huk! I mean, no magic and no "monsters," anyway. I think it's all gonzo science.

But I guess I'm a Man Of Science, and you're a Man Of Faith.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Countdown to the Sawyer + Kate kiss.

― Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm inclined to be way more excited about a Hurley/Libby kiss.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

countdown to sawyer shaving kates beav.

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked about that given that his entire body below the neck appears to be freshly waxed in every episode.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

It was a plane from Australia to LA, MCP. Why wouldn't there have been oodles of dilapidary (if that's the right word, I'm 95% certain it isn't) cream in the luggage?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

Who would win in a fight: Eko or Sayid?

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

I say Eko, mostly because of Adebisi.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

I imagine that Eko could womp pretty much everyone in the cast.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

I get the feeling that Locke and Eko are going to be like Lost's answer to Batman and Superman.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Terrific episode for me. Eko's story is great. So good to have the smartsmoke back.

Do you suppose Locke had been pulled not by an actual metal winch back in season 1 ep 25 but by a gravitational force, the winch sound just being made by the smoke to fewl folks?

What was the last thing Walt typed to Michael? "You must come..."

Dumb question: Has Charlie been back to the plane between with Sayid and Eko in order to pick up all those other statues in his stash?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think we ever saw Charlie going back, but he must have at least once. Keeping one around for "emergencies" or to test your resolve is one thing, but keeping half a dozen is another.

― nickn (nickn), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

OK so it took me a while for this top click but duh - the smartsmoke doesn't attack Locke (he's seen it twice now, "the heart of this island") or Eko because they are officially men of 'faith', whereas the plane pilot in episode 1 was clearly a man of the evil science.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

Last night I came up with a great theory about 'The Others', but I am sober today and can't remember all of it. And it makes less sense.

It all had to do with their (assumed, on my part) knowledge that there are other Dharma stations apart from the one that they are in, and their having a longer copy of the film which makes clear there are more stations - all of which must work. They're also aware that Dharma are no longer directly shipping people in to replace the volunteers, so 'other' Others are required to keep on pudding spaz. Their rationale for abducting people from the other camps is to reduce the numbers down below the critical mass where escape from the island altogether becomes achievable, and so keeping them on the island (where they will inevitably find a bunker). This is also the reason for attacking the yacht and abducting Walt - it forces the raft party back to the island. Although they do blow the raft up, they figure the raft party are resourceful enough to get back given they made it that far in the first place.

I also thought the previous visions of Jack's dad and Wet Walt were actually just the security system working in a slightly more refined way than usual (much like the Eko visions, only more so) and that "Don't pudding spaz" was the now semi-sentient security system wanting to be freed from 'protecting' the island.

But as I said, I was a bit drunk.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 13 January 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

I was a bit disappointed with this week's episode, but I would love to hear Mr Eko read Psalm 23 again.

Claire is insufferable.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 13 January 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

WHERE IS DESMOND?

This is what I care most about. He won't turn up for a few more weeks I guess.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

I just saw "The Squid and the Whale" last night and the Billy Baldwin tennis pro character reminded me of Desmond, with all the "brothers." I want him back too.
I don't understand all the Claire-hate. She's the wholesome blonde! The counterpoint to Shannon the unwholesome blonde. The anticlairists will probably argue that with Shannon dead Claire is no longer necessary to balance the feng shui in the blonde universe. But then who would suckle the infant? They would have to eat him. They haven't been on the island long enough for those kind of developments, though I'll be disappointed if it never happens. Season four, the Long Pig episode.
I don't blame Claire for booting Charlie out. He's an evil hobbit. He is Golum and the madonnas are the ring. That was a great moment, him and his stash.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

I just don't like the way she looks, speaks or acts.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I would have just booted Charlie out anyway, he'd get on my last nerve in less than five minutes. Claire is kind of annoying though, so perhaps they are perfect for each other. I can't really pinpoint what it is I find annoying about her, she just is.

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

I must admit, the heart always sinks and the eyes always roll when Claire's on screen. BUT we must find out soon how Danielle scratched her arm after Ethan abducted her, hope so anyway.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Claire finally looked "well" in this week's episode.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Not to be a fun-hater, but I'd be curious to see a serious analysis from the various sciences (mainly a nutritionist) as to whether that island could sustain a colony of 40-50 living off the fat of the land. Several of those background crashies have to be doing nothing but fishing and gathering, never mind the button-pushing in the bunker.

― truck-patch pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Re:Clare voice is annoying, her character is weak and barely developed, as is Charlie's, and above all "moooooiiiii baybeeeeee"

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

they don't get to do anything cool.

the series is at an interesting point now because presumably Michael no longer believes he can get off the island. But nobody else has been talking about ways to get off it. Getting Walt back has taken over in his head obviously, but nobody's talking about the radio tower Danielle mentioned (yet).

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

I like Claire! She's adorable. She's a pretty minor character and generally doesn't get too much screen time and she's pretty essential to Charlie's development, so why get worked up about her? Not everyone in the cast should be a superhero.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

I think I've completely given up hope for this show. Lots of noise, absolutely no signal.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Ain't nothin' wrong with the way Claire speaks. Mongrel army represent.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

"Disney's Lost"

http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/va/20060113/113718561600.html

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

That article is full of gems: "from Laos to Latvia," "illicit TV downloads" etc.

I love the SMARTDUST. I wonder what Eko thinks it is. It seemed much more like science/tech than magic/supernatural - I guess this is the show's central dualism though. Though I sometimes think it's a red herring, that there's much more going on than a battle btwn the two - as in, everyone and everything is a mix of good and bad, science and faith, etc. and that value judgments are the real problem. But maybe I am reading in too much.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

I think a lot of the point is that we get these conflicts of science and faith, but the reality is always going to be some crazy mix of the two, far out science used for spiritual ends seems to be the Dharma/Hanso/Others thing, as far as I can tell.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

It may not be very helpful unless they find the radio tower, but couldn't the plane that Eko's Broddah was in give more of a clue as to the location of the island? After all, I assume Eko and his Goons had some plan of where they were flying to.

― Craig Gilchrist (Craig Gilchrist), Saturday, 14 January 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

I was kind of falling asleep so I didn't catch his accent, but couldn't he be one of the Nigerian drugrunners?

I would just like to point out, for my own satisfaction, that I said this about Mister Eko back at the start of October when we were all wondering who he was.

So, when is our next episode?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 14 January 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Eko's goons had undoubtedly veered from their flight plan.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 14 January 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

The next episode is on Wednesday. It's weekly for the next six weeks or so.

I was thinking yesterday about how far off a flight plan you'd have to be to get from Nigeria to the South Pacific in a tiny little plane like that.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 14 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

The island has a space/time/brainwave bending traction beam. You knew that!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

I bet $5 that we will find out next week that the last thing Walt-or-whoever IM'd to Michael was "you must come alone".

Every time Jack and Sawyer are onscreen together anymore I sort've expect them to make out.

― nklshs, Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering what happened to the shark that Michael shot. Would it wash up on the beach?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Then the Others could jump it, in Hawaiian Hula skirts!

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Did those fucking bastards at ABC change the broadcast time? Hasn't LOST always been on at 9? I MISSED THE FIRST HALF OF THE EKO EPISOOOOOOOODE!!!

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 19 January 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, let's go kill us some others!!

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 19 January 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

*yikes*

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

ARMYTIME

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 January 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

It's too bad Jack Bauer wasn't on the plane.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 19 January 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

what happened when sawyer shot "zeke"? did sawyer get his shot off and the shot reflected off something or did one of the others shoot sawyer before sawyer get the shot off

and a question for those who like like to freeze frame, how many torches surrounded jake sawyer and locke?

― josh w (jbweb), Thursday, 19 January 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

er.. jack, sawyer and locke

― josh w (jbweb), Thursday, 19 January 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

a lot. I wondered though if not all of the torches had people with them. Because if the Others have that smoke monster, etc, maybe they have other technology/"powers." But then, I guess we don't even know if they're the ones controlling the smoke monster, etc. anyway.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 January 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

what happened when sawyer shot "zeke"? did sawyer get his shot off and the shot reflected off something or did one of the others shoot sawyer before sawyer get the shot off

this was an area of contention at my lost party

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 19 January 2006 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

I initially thought reflection, too, but something about the way J, S, L reacted made me think that someone else shot him. And with the appearance of the torches I gave up on the idea of some kind of force field.

I am so bummed that they gave everything up so easily. I would have at least said something like "We'll leave but we're taking our guns with us." I mean, as far as I remember, aren't we under the impression that the Others have already killed a number of people? Wouldn't it have been reasonable to think, well, we put our guns down and then they pick us off? They'll need every gun for the army...

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

This is why there are no women on my island.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, as far as I remember, aren't we under the impression that the Others have already killed a number of people? Wouldn't it have been reasonable to think, well, we put our guns down and then they pick us off?

Considering they were outnumbered and surrounded, they could have easily been picked off even if they kept their guns.

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

i am anticipating the hurley/libbey love action

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, me too!
I thought they should have gone ahead and shot ZekeZTop. He probably had the only gun. The other guys just have their magic insta-flame torches.
They need to find Danielle. She has a bunch of guns.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

I bet Sawyer will eventually die taking down Mr. Beardy.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Beardy is a pretty great villain! He's so smug, I'm just so very eager to see him get his inevitable comeuppance.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

And it's funny, I think Jack is actually right to a certain degree - Mr. Beardy et al are probably using the 815 Gang's ignorance against them to make them seem like they are more than they actually are.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

I keep expecting them to pull back and reveal that Mr. Beardy had cloven hooves! He totally looked like Pan in this episode.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

jack is always right.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I noticed that the one Other called by name is Alex, who is obviously Alex Rousseau!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

ooh! yep.
Mr. Beardy is scary! He's like a pirate. Maybe he is a pirate. (remember that ship!)
Also, last night I was really struck by how PRETTY Kate is. She's crazy pretty. Maybe b/c I saw Evangeline Lilly on the golden globes and she looked great, I don't know. She's pretty in this non-annoying way. Even if she did screw things up by getting caught.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Kate is super pretty, but I think I mostly find her attractive because she sorta resembles this girl I had a huge crush on when I was in high school.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Thinking on it now, the Others must be very afraid of the 815ers - they have easily dispatched five or six of their people already! Ethan and the dudes Ana Lucia and Eko killed weren't exactly chumps, you know?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Jack's flashbacks are completely useless btw. MORE ADEBISI!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

But why, on a desert island in the middle of the South Pacific (supposedly) is the bad guy a Southern red neck? Did they suffer a sudden incursion of Alabama on the island years ago?

And as much as I loved Mr. Eko's 23rd Psalm two episodes back (and I did - it was gorgeous), I was also driven nuts by the fact that in the whole long passage they got one phrase wrong, and it's probably the most famous phrase in the Psalm.

He said, "Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I will fear no evil."

The Psalm says the valley of the shadow of death. Surely somebody could have caught that and fixed it before airing.

― Hey Jude, Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

well, he isn't really a priest. duh.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

is the bad guy a Southern red neck?

He seemed more like a New England roughneck to me!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 19 January 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

yes, he was certainly from rhode island or massachusetts.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

i could totally see beardo in a clam chowder commercial or something.

even if you don't know your psalms well, coolio got that "valley of the shadow of death" bit right...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

but he forgot the part that goes: "...i will fear no evil, cuz i'm the baddest motherfucker in the valley!" at least that's what the t-shirts say.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

There weren't that many tiki torch guys, compared to all the 815ers.
Also, why did Adebisi get star billing at the beginning? He wasn't even in this episode. Or was he????

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Um, it's alphabetical order.

― Dan (Easy Peasy) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

There weren't that many tiki torch guys, compared to all the 815ers.

that may not have been all of them either.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Um, it's alphabetical order.

Okay.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Beardy was quoting Alvar Hanso!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 January 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I definitely had the feeling that Mr. Beardy (do we not know his real name?) is actually part of the project "hierarchy," one way or another.

Do we think Desmond actually had a much better idea of what was going on on the island than he let on, or was he actually as clueless as he seemed?

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't there a photo linked upthread that shows Capt. Eyeliner to be one of the Folx in the filmstrip?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not a priest, either, duh, but I know the 23rd Psalm. And he was clearly shown in the beginning of the flashback as living in some kind of church-run orphanage.

But, eh. What of it, right?

― Hey Jude, Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

The island is the Birdseye factory!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

maybe weirdo beardo is an ex-member of jeronimo johnson!! (that was the name, right? all i could find on the web was:http://www.series.net/cool/about.html)

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

what was the depressing music they were playing in the bunker? i could barely hear it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

"Jack's flashbacks are completely useless btw. MORE ADEBISI!
-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), January 19th, 2006."

Jack's flashback was actually really functional this episode. The whole first 2/3rds of the ep, you're thinking "what would possibly possess Jack to run after Michael," and then they sell it by giving his inflated self-righteousness/hero complex some concrete history. I bought it, anyway - I thought it was a nice trick. And I am perfectly happy with the writers pulling back on the "crazy hints going on in the background for the TiVo messageboarders to find" for a couple eps if need be. I love that shit, but I'm happy with ambitious character development, too.

And Psalm 23 can be said both ways! It varies by translation - yes, "Valley of the Shadow" is the more common translation, but who knows what version of the Bible Eko learned from - not to mention the fact that his God-learnin' wasn't exactly the stuff of seminary school.

― Mugged Outside the Jabberjaw, 1993 (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

It was the new Richard Ashcroft LP (xpost)

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

And I think the band name was "Geronimo Jackson," by the way - lord knows how many garage bands across America re-christened themselves as such this morning.

― Mugged Outside the Jabberjaw, 1993 (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's clear Swayer was shot (again) by an Other - the likelihood of a ricochet just grazing the side of his head like that far too unlikely - but then again the accuracy of the Others in this regard would also be stretching it a little too far.

Jack and co. have plenty more guns in the hatch if I'm not mistaken - The Others are unaware of this (and the hatch) presumably - although you'd think they would know about it somehow, after all it's THEIR island...maybe they're just not expecting much of a fight, even tho some of them have been killed already...bah

if The Others caught Kate and the trio surely they caught Michael as well?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Mr. Beardy nodded to Locke after he said something about them going into rooms where they aren't supposed to be in his "going over to a stranger's house" analogy, strongly implying that he was aware that they had entered the hatch.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Mr. Beardy said that Michael would not find them, which I think means that they used the computer to draw Michael out and mislead him. I imagine Michael is going to end up walking into some kind of horrible trap OR stumble off into the wrong direction and into something else that will be a big deal in Beardy's comeuppance.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

"Geronimo Jackson,"

you are right. i have a terrible memory for names.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 January 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

I've been reading some other message boards this afternoon (shock horror) and I'm now inclined to beileve that Michael wasn't actually typing on the compter, that it was all just a hallucination. I think Mr. Beardy probably just meant what he said literally, that Michael could wander around in the forest forever but that they'd be able to hide from (and watch him).

Of course, we still dont know exactly what those initially shots were.

Apparently the actor who plays Michael was told by the producers that what happened to Walt won't be revealed this season...

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 19 January 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

The Others are unaware of this (and the hatch)

of course, i don't feel like looking up his exact words, but wasn't beardo saying that they were making themselves at home at a place that wasn't their home, and opening doors that they shouldn't?

i thought there was something about opening doors, and to me that seemed to indicate an awareness of the hatch and what the 815 people had been doing...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 19 January 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, actors always say stuff like that, so that interviewers will leave them alone and stop asking them about it.

Matthew C! I can't get the Hanso Foundation thingy to load.To which quote are you referring?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 19 January 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I don't like referring to them as the 815 people, It makes it sound like there are 815 of them, or they're angry commuters.

Couldn't we just call them Us? That would be much simpler.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 19 January 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

i hope that italian chick shows up again

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 January 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't the fact that jack/john/sawyer had guns enough to let pirate guy know that they opened the hatch? (they're probably being watched too though i guess)

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't there a photo linked upthread that shows Capt. Eyeliner to be one of the Folx in the filmstrip?

This one?
http://iganticmag.com/images/ilx/others.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://giganticmag.com/images/ilx/others.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Where are those shots on the left from?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

The Walt abduction.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

I love what Ricki has done for that fisherman.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously though the woman is a really strong likeness, wow.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

That lady was on the boat!? wow, I didn't even catch that.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

yeh i guess the fact they had guns and knew what Michael was doing was enough to show they know all about the hatch, and know all about 'Us'.

who's next for the flashbacks? Sawyer's well overdue - and Locke was building up to it by asking him about his real name, and Kate will be extra hott for him now that Jack's 'washed his hands' of her for the time being. i also suggest that Jack's big Army mission will give Sawyer a new cause to fight for and he'll regain purpose beyond wanting to kill the man who destroyed his life.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

What a hilarious episode.

Best of all was Sayid's "This music is quite depressing" entrance.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

The next few episodes:

12 Fire + Water (Charlie)
13 The Long Con (Sawyer)
14 One Of Them (Sayid)
15 Maternity Leave (Claire)

and 16 or 17 is another Locke episode.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Claire? :(

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

Why did Jack ask Ana Lucia about training an army instead of going to Sayid, who OBVIOUSLY knows a thing or two about warfare? I guess they just need to find a purpose for her character. But I would be much more afraid of a Sayid army.

― Rebekkah (burntbrat), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

Best of all was Sayid's "This music is quite depressing" entrance.

i roffled so hard when he said that.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

I am still hoping Michele Rodriguez's little alcohol-fueled "the Man is persecutin' me and tryin' to keep me Down" freakout will get her hauled back to the mainland and written out of the show. she'll turn into a crazy drill sergeant and rose will have to drive a stake through her heart to end a Lord of the Flies-type dictatorship.

Yeah.

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't Hurley have a Pousette Dart Band album in his hand when Sayid made the depressing music remark? I don't remember what they sound like. I bet Scott does, though. I'm imagining early 70s New England collegiate folk-rock, like Aztec Two-Step.

― Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

Why did Jack ask Ana Lucia about training an army instead of going to Sayid, who OBVIOUSLY knows a thing or two about warfare?

OTM! We all thought this was totally absurd.

― melton mowbray (adr), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Jack wants to raise an army against Sayid.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 20 January 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

Oh FFS not Charlie again next week jesus.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Jack planned to consult both Ana Lucia and Sayid but he saw her first. Also he may have thought Ana Lucia would be more receptive to the idea having had first-hand experience of The Enemy. Whereas Sayid will take much more persuasion having regretted his torturing of Swayer etc.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kind of looking forward to comic Charlie backstory interlude. Crankshaft, woo! Swayer would be a better name.

15 Maternity Leave (Claire)

This, however...

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 20 January 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Um, Driveshaft, no?

I agree with Stevem. Why would you go to Sayid, a man who has no experience of killing The Others and obviously has turned into some kind of tree hugger, when you could go to Ana Lucia, who is obviously mental.
Also he's less likely to be able to get an "if you can't be with the one you love..." style shag off Sayid.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 20 January 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

Wonder what The Others would've done if they hadn't been able to use Kate as hostage. Probably would've just used Walt and/or Michael in her place.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 20 January 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Why did Jack ask Ana Lucia about training an army instead of going to Sayid, who OBVIOUSLY knows a thing or two about warfare?

Weird, I've seen multiple people ask this question, but the answer is so obvious:

1) She hates the Others and has already killed one.
2) Because of this, he knows that he can easily convince her. Sayid is more of a wild card.
3) He's kinda into her, and going directly to her is logical after what had just happened with Kate.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 January 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Crankshaft was my little joke, trish. Actually, didn't someone in the show call them that to annoy him in one of the episodes?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 20 January 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ah.

I'm very tired. Sorry.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Suckshaft more like.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

The fact that in this episode I wanted both Michael and Kate to die horribly is proof that I'm turning into a really bad person.

― melton mowbray (adr), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

In re consulting Sayid, there's also maybe the fact that the Iraqi Army was, um, not very good? At least against enemies with better technology?

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

They set up sayid to be against jack's draft since they didnt ask him to go after micheal. Plus sayid will be against ana lucia having a leadership role.

The episode also had locke starting to reach his limit with jack "getting enraged and running off without plan." I would have thought that Locke would be against an army but he didnt look very thrilled when zeke/mr. beard took his concealed gun.

Not sure how echo will side with an army, he could be up for revenge but he might be in the hippie "live and let live" camp

some other thoughts: I hope we get a locke and claire hook up. Locke probably didnt have use of anything below the waist before the crash, and now wants to make up for lost time. A relationship with claire would then make charlie totally useless and get him off the show sooner rather than later

and the mr. beard/zeke character's name is listed in the internet movie database as bearded man in exodus pt 2 and is now listed as Mr. Friendly. I like the name Mr. Friendly, sounds like a nick name a rock band would use for their drug dealer

― josh w (jbweb), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

In re consulting Sayid, there's also maybe the fact that the Iraqi Army was, um, not very good? At least against enemies with better technology?

I hadn't noticed the Others' supply of Patriot missiles. That black thing that jumps around every so often might be a Stealth fighter, I suppose.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

The group of my friends and me all leaning forwards towards the screen as soon as we heard Mr. Beardly's voice = the best Lost moment since Arzt blowing himself up.

― melton mowbray (adr), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Alba, given the ability of the Others to, you know, abduct people at will and instantly, travel around by boat, surround people silently, etc. etc., I think we can assume a somewhat greater level of supply and tech than whatever can be salvaged from Swan Station.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Besides, I reckon next episode we're going to find out old Des has been back there and had away with all the guns.

― melton mowbray (adr), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Locke probably didnt have use of anything below the waist before the crash

well he did bang that group therapy woman.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

well he did bang that group therapy woman.

he could still walk in that flashback

― josh w (jbweb), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

He probably made jokes that she wouldn't be able to in the morning. Karma's a bitch!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

huh, i wonder if that'll get some explanation his next flashback

― tom west (thomp), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

What I dont get is why they made it look like Kate fucked everything up for them by getting caught. Even if she hadnt ran after them there was still nothing they could do because they were outnumbered. Lame.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Friday, 20 January 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

From Yahoo's showbiz news in brief:
CONGRATS: Kung Fu Hustle beating Memoirs of a Geisha for Best Film at at Thursday's 2006 Asian Excellence Awards, while Lost's Daniel Dae Kim and Yunjin Kim were named top TV actors.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 20 January 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

"CONGRATS: Kung Fu Hustle beating Memoirs of a Geisha for Best Film at at Thursday's 2006 Asian Excellence Awards"

YAY!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

it was pretty obvious that jack wasn't giving up his weapon and was going to force cap'n salty's hand. then cappy put a gun to kate's head and forced jack's hand. so she definitely changed how things happened, even if the outcome may have been the same.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

if jack had let her go with them in the first place, she wouldn't have been alone and easier to capture, eh? i'm sick of jack.

― something less threatening (heywood), Friday, 20 January 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

jack is always right.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

Jack has some control issues, yes. Which are making him less hot too, in an army sergeant way. I guess that's fitting now though.
I think Ku Fu Hustle will have to be re-watched this weekend.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

someone tell me one instance where jack was wrong about something. i'm sure he was right that pressing the button is a bad thing, also.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

It's pudding spaz, which isn't quite the same as bad.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

jack thought he could save boone and was wrong.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

True. But also, I think one of the themes of this show is that there is no true right or wrong.

hahaha - I can't wait until the day I say "pudding spaz" in a real-life conversation about this show. It will be weird.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

The show is finally getting good again, after the first half of this season sucking ass. I'm psyched that Jack finally seems to have grown some balls.

― def zep (calstars), Friday, 20 January 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Too bad he keeps tripping over them.

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 20 January 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

tell me one instance where jack was wrong about something

He was probably wrong to marry the miraculously-cured blonde. And he's wrong to make that squinty face all the time.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 20 January 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

I could list more wrong things but I have to open a bottle.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 20 January 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

They seem to have been outnumbered. But it could also have been three guns against two. Also, we also don't know that the Others would have necessarily stopped them. Presumably they were watching and following Jack et al. Maybe the moment they caught Kate was the one the Others decided to head off the party.

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 21 January 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think anyone has explained why he went to Ana Lucia instead of Sayid really adequately, tho Josh's version was the best.

It's like "Back home, you were a cop right? how long would it take to train an army"......erm

"Back home, you were a butcher yes? How long would it take to make a pair of shoes?"

"Back home, you were a bartender? How long would it take to build me a ship?"

"Back home, you were in the army right? How long would it take to shoot an innocent civilia.....oh sorry Sayid I confused you with Ana Lucia again..."

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 January 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

So the real reason, so they can set it up so he has long protracted sexual tension with her.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 January 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Once again, the reason was because she had already killed an Other, hated them, had some fighting training, and was a hell of a lot easier to convince than Sayid, who is sort of unpredictable.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 21 January 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

that's fairly speculative.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 January 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

It is not. We know everything.

Poor Jack. That nervous breakdown he's been on the brink of since the beginning of episode one might finally be happening.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 21 January 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

The reasons can only be speculative!

But 'Jack saw Ana Lucia first' is as plausible as anything else. It does seem obvious that Sayid will be most reluctant though.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Saturday, 21 January 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Well no, if someone discusses why such a weird thing happened in terms of the producers shoehorning it into a plot rather than trying to tell people it's not actually weird at all because Jack would think this way and do this, it's not quite the same.

Like, if people say "that was weird, why did he talk to Ana Lucia", it's fairly logical to assume that they've already rejected ideas which say "that was not weird, he went to Ana Lucia, naturally". I mean yes it's all speculative to a degree but hence I find it so weird that Matthew would be so confident in trying to tell people that what they thought was awkward and didn't make much sense actually did make sense!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 January 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

i was thinking how odd to not have Ana Lucia feature at all so yeah to shoehorn her in at the end did seem like precisely that. but instead of just rubbishing that a lot of people try to justify it and try to explain it. the people who say it was stupid for Jack (or the writers) to do that seem to be content to rule it as bad writing if not just dumbness on the character's part. which are both possible of course, as are a couple of other explanations which may yet prove to be the case - and i figure most people would prefer the latter so that's why some try and push that up more, insistence on it etc.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Saturday, 21 January 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Sayid hasn't killed anyone on the island, has he? Whereas Ana Lucia has kind of been doing the Dead Body Cha-Cha since day one.

― Dan (Aim And Cha-Cha-Cha, FIRE And Cha-Cha-Cha) Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 21 January 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm confident because him going off to talk to Ana Lucia is the most emotionally logical thing he could have done given the context of his relationship with other people on the island, and the way Sayid has developed over the course of the past several episodes!

It's pretty obvs that Jack relates more to Ana Lucia right now than anyone else in the group.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 21 January 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Think of it this way - since his relationship with Kate is strained at the moment, does Jack have any friends aside from A-L on the island? Everyone else relates to him as a leader and little else. John and Sayid will likely challenge Jack's idea, he barely knows Eko, and no one else has any kind of combat training. Who else is he going to talk to and get the support that he needs?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... We could be over-analyzing a little bit. Can we really say that he sought out A-L to ask this question? It could just be that he was thinking about it and when saw her it occurred to discuss it with her (for all the reasons above). I totally agree with Matthew: somehow we can expect that both Locke and Sayid would have answered Jack's "How long will it take" with something more along the lines of "Why would we want to do that?"

I need to go back to watch the old episodes again. Where are we getting that Jack and Ana-Lucia are "friends"? I know they met in the airport but I don't remember what actually happened.

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 21 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Well, they had their little moment in the airport, but Jack has also gone out of his way to spend time and bond with her in recent episodes. Remember after she killed Shannon and he went out to have some drinks with her on the beach?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 21 January 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

So this is, "No one's been talking to you since you got here, now it's payback time?"

I guess. I still see it less as "Jack WENT to A-L" as "A-L was there." Not to say that there isn't some sexual tension. She needs "fixing" and we understand from this episode how important that is.

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 21 January 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

i liked how meta sayid in the bunker with hurley and charlie came off. "who's everybody?"

― tom west (thomp), Saturday, 21 January 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Um, is nobody going to mention the fact that Jack might have a child out there somewhere? Knowing the way this show goes, possibly on the island?

― nklshs, Saturday, 21 January 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

Huh? I missed something.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 21 January 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

his wife was not pregnant.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 21 January 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if the unnamed guy Jack's wife was seeing on the side is tied in with the larger plot.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 22 January 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

haven't read this thread in a while because I hadn't watched eps 9 & 10 til tonight

do we still think there are two groups of others? pan's people & the silent, shoeless ones w/ the kid dragging the teddy bear. they don't seem the same, do they? do we think the smoke monster is controlled by some others? I don't know what to think but I think I think it isn't controlled by anyone, that we've seen, anyway

people at my office saying, again, that the writers saying they have enough material for 7-10 seasons. I think season one will look pretty weird after a couple more. it looks pretty weird, now, even

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 22 January 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

I think they have enough material for five or six seasons, but can pad it out if necessary.

I think they'd be really wise to do five or six and call it a day.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 22 January 2006 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

What about the ARMY??????

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 26 January 2006 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

Unlike most of you, I like Charlie. Everytime I see him I picture Pippen yelling "Merry!" from the back of a horse and I get all fuzzy inside. But this episode was lame. It was like a magazine you read at the doctor's office. YAWN. Thanks for getting me all hyper for an action-packed episode and filling it with religious mumbo-jumbo that results in no action and just keeps me occupied until the real thing. THANKS.

― Rebekkah (burntbrat), Thursday, 26 January 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

But I did like it when Sawyer called Hurley "Jabba". Ho ho ho ho jabba wookie. I probably spelled Jabba wrong but I only know Star Wars from the movies and I don't pay attention to the credits.

― Rebekkah (burntbrat), Thursday, 26 January 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

So, I'm wondering...where do you think they are going with Libby?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

seems like libby wasn't on the plane.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking that libby worked in hurley's hospital/asylum

― josh w (jbweb), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Cutty, what makes you think she wasn't on the plane?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

her shifty eyes when hurley's back was turned to her. hurley not remembering stepping on her foot.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

her reciting hurley's sweaty entrance on the plane as if someone else had told her the story.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

boring episode. but yeah, Libby is totally an Other. on the tailers' beach she was sporting the same khaki outfit as Ethan and that dude Ana-Lucia killed. doesn't prove anything, sure, but still.

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

This sets Charlie up to redeem himself by dying heroically saving Claire and/or the baby near the end of this season, and Famous Movie Hobbit Dom Monaghan to get back into movies after a cushy hiatus in Hawaii on a hit show. But the hobbit forgets the lesson of DAVID CARUSO. Plus, he can't act.

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Well, they actually SHOWED Hurley's sweaty entrance to the plane in an episode a while back; can someone check that out and see if Libby is one of the people there? Cuz I definitely remember him stepping on some lady's foot.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Scott, I'm pretty sure that the actress who plays Libby was not hired yet when that scene was filmed. They had cast Anna Lucia, but Eko and Libby were brought in between seasons to the best of my knowledge.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

While I think it is extremely likely that Libby has a connection to the Dharma Initiative and Hurley's past in the psych ward, I'm a little confused as to why the tail end group had more than one mole when there's so few of them.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

Also, if there's a mole, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be one of the people in the established camp, since it's clear that the Others were privy to a lot of information on their activities? (Most notably the raft!)

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

"to get back into movies after a cushy hiatus in Hawaii on a hit show. But the hobbit forgets the lesson of DAVID CARUSO."

and he gets the girl! meaning Kate. who is apparently his real-life galpal now.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

E. Lilly and the hobbit?! bleurgh

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

she is a hobbit too.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Well, she has been looking especially radiant. He must have a magic hobbit weenie .
Matthew, you're onto something! It would be such an awesome mindfuck if one of the familiar cast members turned out to be bad! I don't see how the writers will be able to resist. Is there anyone that they haven't shown flashbacks for?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

All of the key characters in the main group have had flashbacks, but that doesn't necessarily put them out of the realm of possibility.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

vincent?

― josh w (jbweb), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm thinking that Locke is kinda suspicious.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Re: Locke being 'spicious - especially in light of the "Next Week on Lost" bit, which I know now not to discuss here (actually, in retrospect - didn't it say "Coming Soon on Lost" this time? Are we in for more weeks off? Would they dare?)...

Also, I can't believe they got away with Sawyer's line to Hurley about him "needing to drop a load off" re: Suspicious Libby.

Also, Ana Lucia and Jack's dialogue about whether or not he is "hitting that" warmed me to them both.

Also, Evangelilly and Magic Hobbitt Weenie are engaged to be married (he proposed on set, say the tabs) :(.

Also, definitely "more like Suck-shaft," especially after seeing those dudes in the flashback.

― Mugged Outside the Jabberjaw, 1993 (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

It was "coming up on Lost" because there is no episode next week. The next episode is Feb 8th, and there will be three consecutive new ones in a row.

Locke is an interesting case, cos it could go a lot of different ways. I think that if anything, he's not an Other, but he is sympathetic to them and might have some awareness that they are the ones responsible for him regaining the use of his legs. I can imagine him defecting, you know?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

"vincent?
-- josh w (jbwebe...), January 26th, 2006."

Vincent having a flashback would be a little too campy for these writers, I think, though it would be fun (and reminiscent of "The Hills Have Eyes 2," which is largely comprised of characters - including the family dog - flashing back to the first film in scenes that begin with the camera pushing in on them and the screen getting blurry).

Locke beating the shit out of Charlie definitely signalled a significant change in Locke, I thought... I was surprised they didn't show anyone else react to that outburst.

I am intrigued by the idea of Evil Libby, though I will be bummed if she gets it on with Hurley only to try to use him for some Othersy plot (mostly because I would love to see a depiction of honest fox-on-fattie love, as a somewhat Hurleyish guy myself).

― Mugged Outside the Jabberjaw, 1993 (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

This was a terrible episode. It would have been much better if it had ended with Charlie getting beaten to death (by Adebisi screaming "THIS IS NOT THE WAY I TOLD TO YOU TO DO IT!" preferably.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think they should've fired Charlie out of a canon, straight to da moon.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

I had been enjoying Lost as science fiction. I don't know anywhere interesting they can go with all this religious stuff; it feels like hamhanded and wildly out of place pandering to an American audience to me.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, they've been toying with the idea of God since the beginning, and that was cool, but as much as I like Mr. Eko, the Christian-specific stuff he drags in along with him adds absolutely nothing. Remember that big long bible story in which he took like 20 times too long just to say "hey, I found this hollowed-out bible with some film in it?"

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

Where the Jews at?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 26 January 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no, I think the God stuff is pretty key especially with all the hints that there's some religious element to the Others. I think it's a lot more interesting to have crazy scientists with dogma rather than just plain old crazy scientists.

re: Locke punching Charlie - Charlie totally deserved it! I mean, really! Locke's a pretty patient guy, but there's got to be a line somewhere, you know?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

they surprised me this week by actually making an good episode about Charlie, turning him into an interesting character (if still frustrating at times). the whole Locke role reversal thing is quite intriguing indeed, as is the weird Libby vibe. also, the dream sequences were pretty awesome (that might be because i just finished playing Psychonauts)

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 26 January 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

what was annoying is i kept waiting for Charlie to say something along the lines of "Locke, i'm having EXTREMELY VIVID DREAMS and they make me sleepwalk and do crazy things i have no idea i'm doing! What might this mean?" when instead he says "put a good word in for me with Claire". I also expected with that swooping shot around Locke's head that he may be thinking something a little deeper than 'wow, Charlie's being an asshole, i'm gonna have to give that kid an asskicking'. meh.

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 26 January 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it's important to keep in mind that John was getting territorial about his relationship with Claire and the baby, so he had some selfish motivations that he didn't have when he had been helping Charlie in the past.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 26 January 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

he's always been somewhat selfish, but in a more convoluted mystical way. now he's just plain ol egotistical. which is sad to me.

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 26 January 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Well, with John Locke, it's always about HIS destiny, and what HE was MEANT TO DO. They've been setting him up for a tragic fall since the third episode.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 27 January 2006 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

Way xpost, but my guess as to why Libby seemed to want to divert Hurley from his questioning with the "don't I know you" stuff would be not that she is a mole but that she was in the mental institution with him. The twist being not as a 'clinical psychologist' but as a fellow patient. Not that she might not also be a psychologist, as she claimed.

― Clay (cws), Friday, 27 January 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, some people elsewhere get the feeling that she's a pathelogical liar.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 27 January 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

because I would love to see a depiction of honest fox-on-fattie love, as a somewhat Hurleyish guy myself

What, are King of Queens, Boston Public and The Simpsons not enough? Big lads be gettin' it on with the foxy ladies in all of them.

I thought this episode was dull as ditch. I did side with Charlie a little bit, though, when he pointed out that everyone else gets a hearing when they have dreams. I also thought it was shitty of Locke to take the drugs away from him. I mean, it's one thing to say "who put Jack in charge?" (hint: it was everyone), but who put Locke in charge, really? Is his territorial pissing around Claire and the baby to do with his weirdness about family because of being adopted and then fucked over? Is it building up to something or just clumsy writing? And how come Charlie didn't just fucking punch his brother in the head repeatedly until he gave him back the money for his piano? And where in the name of god was Charlie's mother going with that awful accent. I haven't heard an English accent that bad since Anthony La Paglia in Frasier.
Er, that's all. Nothing for two weeks, you say? I might have calmed down by then.
If there isn't more Sayid soon, I'm going to be very annoyed. It's like they've forgotten what to do with him now that Shannon's dead. I tell you, I could think of a few things.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 27 January 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't get this episode at all. Was it trying to say something, really? What was with Charlies at the end? Had he been using and lying? Is he going slowly mad?

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 27 January 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

"because I would love to see a depiction of honest fox-on-fattie love, as a somewhat Hurleyish guy myself

What, are King of Queens, Boston Public and The Simpsons not enough? Big lads be gettin' it on with the foxy ladies in all of them."

No, HONEST fox-on-fattie love! Like, Libby was totally at that same Hold Steady show at the Troubador that Hurley was originally going to go with Stella to before he won the lottery!

Jesus, I need to take a breather.

― T/S: Pinks/Oki Dog/Scoobys/Tail o' the Pup (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 27 January 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Accentmonkey, Sayid's spotlight episode is coming up after the next one, which is the Sawyer episode. I think they just needed to give Sayid some space while he grieved and they could give time to the other plotlines.

As for the King of Queens et al, all of those shows are about oafish doofs whose wives constantly belittle them! That's not exactly a positive template to follow!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 27 January 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

And where in the name of god was Charlie's mother going with that awful accent. I haven't heard an English accent that bad since Anthony La Paglia in Frasier.

Oh god, yeah. would it really have hurt so much to have hired a real northerner or two? I mean, charlie sounds like he's from Stoke, and his brother's got a strange vowel-flattened cockney thing going on, but at least they both sound english. Their mother though! Never mind having graduated from the daphne moon school of fucking-shite-accents...she clearly OWNS the school.

When locke beat charlie, I thought "no john, too much". It stopped me liking him, it's the first thing I think he's got properly wrong. And that's quite a bad thing cos it means I don't have a favourite character any more. So that could be the beginning of the end for me and lost (although maybe that's already started...usually I download and watch these within 24 hours of them airing in the US, but the last couple of episodes I've not got around to watching until 3 or 4 days later - ie I'm clearly not excited about them, like I used to be).

What was locke's reason for not just destroying charlie's stash, regardless of whether he believed charlie was about to do so himself? Unless we're going to be given a LOCKE-IS-ALSO-AN-EX-JUNKIE-AND-WANTS-IT-FOR-HIMSELF!!! twist, I couldn't see one. It felt far too much like the writers just couldn't bring themselves to close that path off, so thought "fuck it, we'll just stick it in the vault for now". Weak.

Vincent having a flashback would be a little too campy for these writers

At this stage, yeah. But come season four or five? It will happen.

― JimD (JimD), Saturday, 28 January 2006 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Locke thought that because the heroin is of some value it may yet prove useful in some way.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Saturday, 28 January 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Could be an anaesthetic if they have a medical emergency (cf that nasty Stephen King story where the guy eats himself), or maybe they'll figure out a way to dump it in the Others' water supply and dope them up for a raid.

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 28 January 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

I do remember thinking that ages ago, that if they needed a really powerful painkiller (like, I don't know, if one of them GOT SHOT and it went SEPTIC) then it could be handy to have something like a spot of heroin around.

Certainly Boone could have used it in his last moments.

And Matthew, sure, you're right. But don't forget they're oafish doofs whose hot wives constantly belittle them. And that theory doesn't apply to Boston Public, where no-one seems to point out that the hot teacher is way out of Chi McBride's league. Even if he could run, he couldn't catch her.
(I am only bitter because lardy-arsed ladies never get hot guys on telly, and I am one such lady.)

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 28 January 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

All of the key characters in the main group have had flashbacks

Wrong! It came to me in the middle of the night—ROSE!!!! ROSE AND BERNARD!!! We don't know SHIT about them!
What better strategy than to plant a mole in each group of crash survivor.! And why would one half of a couple be in the tail and the other up front? Huh??? CHARLIE was in the bathroom, so it couldn't have been that.
And they'll old enough maybe to be Dharma ground-floor people.
Bernard never did seem nervous when the tailies were getting picked off like flies.
THAT WOULD BE SUCH AN EXCELLENT MINDFUCK!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 28 January 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

I am so totally proud of myself for coming up with this theory. If someone unearths footage of them on the plane I'm gonna cry.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 28 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

rose was on the plane. she was talking to jack and bernard was in the bathroom.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 28 January 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

c'mon, beth.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 28 January 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Beth, did you have Welsh rarebit just before bed last night?

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 28 January 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, and it's for the best to have a couple of nice, normal people who just got caught in a bad situation.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 28 January 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

why couldn't the foundation plant people on the plane?

― tom west (thomp), Saturday, 28 January 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Tom you are my hero!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Beth, did you have Welsh rarebit just before bed last night?

I had Cornish Hen. Does Welsh Rarebit bring on VISIONS OF TRUTH??? I could use some Welsh Rarebit Right Now.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

That cut that Jack had Kate stitch up on him in episode #1 was where his parachute strap dug into him a little too tight.

I think Welsh rarebit just makes standard hallucinations.

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

THE WORLD IS FLAT!!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

It did seem a bit like they were setting Locke up to be some kind of evil demon man when just after the "save the baby, save the baby" scene it zoned in on his dry parchment like face.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'll be disappointed if they turn Locke into a bad guy just because the writers don't know what to do with two mystics on board.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think John will ever be an "evil" character, but I definitely think that he will ultimately meet a very tragic fate as the result of his delusions of grandeur. His faith has nothing to do with a higher power and everything to do with him believing that HIS life is meaningful and special. I am certain that Locke will eventually be crushed by his hubris. I think it's almost definite that at some point, he will lose the use of his legs again, most likely as a form of punishment.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

And Beth, they have two "mystics" for a reason - Eko is there in part to cast the nature of Locke's "faith" into relief.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 28 January 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's going to turn out that Libby isn't a psychologist at all, but a pathological liar, and Hurley HAS seen her before, in the psych ward. That way, she has a Dark Secret, but is also still Vaguely Sympathetic. It's just too LOST-write-staff-errific not to turn out that way.

In fact, it's looking like the pre-crash connection possibilities are really building up: Libby/Hurley, Locke/Sawyer ("who'd you get that name from?"..."who said I got it from anybody?"), etc. I hope these things play out not retardedly.

I think Locke is considering using the heroin as a weapon against the Others...maybe considering getting them hooked on it or some such. Or he just intends to use it as leverage in future dealings with Dark Charlie.

― nklshs, Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

it could be useful as medication, at least

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was a great episode. Quite apart from the "I'm marking trees" "Why?" "Because these are the ones I like" being this week's "This music is quite depressing", the whole thing got the sense of mystery back on track. What is going on with Locke?

The opening dream of Charlie's is going to crack up English audiences when it reaches over here. Charlie and Liam as posho drama school kids, their mum with her Manco-Brum-Welsh-German accent and their Yorkshireman butcher dad ?| crazy times!

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

So, tonight is a rerun of the Hurley flashback episode, I believe. There must be a reason they're picking this particular rerun. We can look for Libby in the asylum.
Hey, she wasn't Leornard the numbers guy's wife, who answered the door in Australia and told Hurley that Leonard was dead, was she? I think that woman was older. Can't remember.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/116.html

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Nope, she was older and only had one leg! I totally wouldn't be surprised if she was in a Hurley flashback though, a la Randy, both his and Locke's boss.

― melton mowbray (adr), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe she won't be in a flashback—Hurley WAS on TV when he won the lottery. It's possible she saw it and knows he's rich. That would be too bad. We want TRUE love for Hurley!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really surprised he didn't blow a whole load of his cash on a trailer loada hookers frankly.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley has real life true love:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/0508/21/NOJE-21s33-lost-531_368.jpg

Sorry for creepy tabloidy derailment.

― T/S: Pinks/Oki Dog/Scoobys/Tail o' the Pup (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Jorge Garcia is the luvvable hottness. I like some meat on my men.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, Dr Marvin Candle is Shredder.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

Sayid is dating Barbara Hershy (they have a child together as well)

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

You know, putting re-runs on in the beginning of February, when it's cold and grey outside, is really not nice. But even though I probably won't watch it, I'm glad it's the Hurley ep. And glad that he has real-life love.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

has there EVER been a show that went to such great lengths to catch people up? all those reruns and recap episodes. i don't think i've seen anything like it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Lost, the show that Holds Your Hand like Hurley.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

I believe the next Hurley episode will be entitled 'So Not Gonna Happen'

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 2 February 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

has there EVER been a show that went to such great lengths to catch people up? all those reruns and recap episodes. i don't think i've seen anything like it.

you think they're doing this to "catch people up?" normal people get pissed off by tuning into a weekly show with an ongoing narrative only to find that one in every three weeks a more-or-less randomly picked earlier episode is being repeated. but because network honchos are using higher math to determine their schedules in the hopes of getting one extra rating point, and they assume we're all hooked like the chinese masses on opium at the the turn of the twentieth century and will take whatever we get, whenever we can. we're lucky they've kept the show on the same night.

me, i'm thinking i should just forget about the show and watch veronica mars while i still can. aside from watercooler chat, the series will be better in the DVD-aided compressed experience anyway.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

oh, i didn't even think of that. that's ingenious and diabolical. i guess i wouldn't make a very good network exec.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 February 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

it works too. we always have the repeat on.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 February 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

I watched this repeat just to see if Libby was around. I didn't see her. But I did see the early Locke loves Claire action. I'd forgot about that!

― Rebekkah (burntbrat), Thursday, 2 February 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't watch it because I knew one of you guys would look for Libby for me. Thanks Rebekkah! Now I'm going with the "she saw him on tv" theory. Golddigger? And she seemed so nice. Hmmph.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 February 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

2 and a half hours left of the wait

― Mia Hersh, Thursday, 2 February 2006 06:53 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was he who said he recognized her, not the other way around, but I might be wrong.

― melton mowbray (adr), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

..and slightly off topic, why does my browser autodetect this thread as Japanese character encoding?

― melton mowbray (adr), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Eko is a Buddhist!!!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

I can't remember who recognized who. I'll check the exhaustive television without pity recap. Be right back.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

he recognized her. i bet, like someone suggested, that she was at the hospital in some capacity.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

This is from the TWOP recap:

Down the hatch, Libby is asking Hurley if the washer and dryer are newer than everything else in there, and I guess this is supposed to be the writers acknowledging that for the benefit of chattering internet bulletin boards that pay attention to details like that or something, and Hurley says all he knows is that they wash clothes, which seems to be a fact not known to the rest of the laundry slaves out on the beach.

Libby then shows off a dress she found, and asks Hurley if he thinks she can pull it off. Hurley looks really discombobulated, so Libby has to clue him in on the necessity of giving a woman validation when she asks questions like that. "Do I know you from somewhere?" asks Hurley, as it seems to occur to him that maybe he does, and Libby pauses a moment, then says, "You mean, other than the flight?" And then she suspiciously doesn't actually answer, and instead distracts Hurley by getting naked to try on the dress (she does insist that he turn around while she changes). As she does so, she says she can't believe he doesn't remember stepping on her foot on the plane. I swear to god it sounds like she's lying, except for the fact that she actually knows the details of Hurley getting on the plane -- last one on the aircraft, headphones on, very sweaty. Anyway, she's done changing, so she asks Hurley's opinion as she twirls in front of him. "It's awesome," says Hurley sincerely. And it is. Libby looks pleased. I'm still not sure I trust her.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

hello all lost kru!

(i ws too scared of seeing spoilers if i clicked on this thread before now but the irony of going to my computer bunker and morbidly tapping in 's02e13' every few hours without resolution was provin too much to bear. feb 8th eh? tsk)

it's true about locke suddenly seeming an issue after the last ep, but i really can't place exactly why that is besides the camera looking at him sterner for a few frames more. maybe the slight transition into actual fistfighting action on charlie but even then that's not necess out of order no?

ahhh dumb, libby repeating she was a psychologist 50 million times didn't click with me re hurley! kewl.

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 3 February 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

my guess is libby is a porn star.

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 3 February 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'll be waiting for that flashback episode.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 3 February 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

SPOLERS: but the really amazing kind, not the crappy kind!

― melton mowbray (adr), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

That's right, spolers. Just don't mouseover the link, because there are spoilers in the filename!

― melton mowbray (adr), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, shit, dang! Actually, it's a great opportunity for the writers.

― truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

I can't wait! Hopefully they'll finish off Charlie at the same time (I am aware this is not going to happen).

― melton mowbray (adr), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no! That's unfortunate, I really like that character! But even without those problems, the character will probably run its course by that time anyway.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

never liked her

ep 12 was mostly strange & bad

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

THIS IS THE WORST WRITTEN EPISODE EVER!!

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

okay, i admit it. i didn't see that coming.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 9 February 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

oh wait, the episode isn't over.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 9 February 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

I liked this episode, but oh my god, I leave it just super psyched for the next one. SAYID JARRAH YOU CRAZY BASTARD!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

i really would like to see some 'real' alliances/friendships form already.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

THIS IS THE WORST WRITTEN EPISODE EVER!!

you've got to be kidding

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

Something that I find weird about the mid-series episodes is that they aren't making any great effort to continue the evolution of the spotlight characters so much as reestablish their initial premise - Charlie is a JUNKIE! Sawyer is a CON MAN! Sayid is a TORTURER! Jack is a DOUCHEBAG!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

Mid-season episodes, that is.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:35 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe that's the point -- it was certainly the theme of this episode.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

i thought it was pretty cool to see Sawyer have the chance to be a con man on the island, rather than in flashbacks. Also, next week is supposed to be a Sayid episode, right? it's about time. he has been so ridiculously under-used...

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

jack is always right, don't call him a douchebag.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

kate's mom was the waitress at the diner, btw.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

they need to get on with the desmond threat, where the fuck did he go?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 9 February 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

thread, rather. although maybe he's a threat too

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 9 February 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

They say that Desmond will be back in the final third of the season.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

sightings of the occurence at owl creek!

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

Why do you suppose that all of us have been speculating for weeks that there are more than one group of Others out there, yet the castaways don't seem to have thought of that possibility?

Also, why didn't it occur to Kate that the Others might have more than one sack to put over someone's head? They are on a frigging island after all, maybe someone had to use a different cloth?

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

You know, it never seems very unrealistic to me that the characters would be irrational or jump to weird conclusions given the situation that they are in. I think that's pretty normal.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

I kinda like that both favourite and unfavourite characters are turning out to be B-A-D. (didn't the Others once say something about how they were only kidnapping the GOOD people?)
The principal from Growing Pains seems to be trouble.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

it seemed uncharacteristic of sawyer, too, to notice such a fine detail as the type and weave of the cloth of the hood. he doesn't seem like a super observant guy with objects/environment--he can't track worth a damn, for instance. but kate bought the comment.

but obv he's very very observant about people and how to manipulate them...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

The acting on this show is soooooo terrible. That said I really liked the ending this week.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

the ending did totally make sense.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

The acting on this show is soooooo terrible.

That may be more to the point I wanted to make last night than "THIS IS THE WORST WRITTEN EPISODE EVER". Maybe a better actor could have gotten away with the line "There's a new sheriff in town, and y'all better get used to it." But so many of the actors are getting their points across by bellowing louder or softer.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

The guy who plays Sawyer is by FAR the worst actor and he's also given the worst dialogue. It is not a match made in heaven (unless it's comedy heaven heh.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

I think this was Jeph Loeb's first episode as Script Supervisor.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

I missed the part where Sawyer got all the eloquent lines, I guess. To me, the line quoted above is exactly the kind of thing a dirtbag like him would say.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I agree - that's pretty much exactly what Sawyer would have said! That's just the way the character talks, and it's always been that way so I don't see how it's a big deal.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Huk, Jeph Loeb was credited for the past two episodes.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

His first one was "The Hunting Party," and they made a sly reference to Loeb in the dialogue when Hurley says that "Michael's gone all Commando!"

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it was the first time I noticed Loeb's name in the opening credits.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

douchebag douchebag douchebag

― something less threatening (heywood), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

kate's mom was the waitress at the diner, btw.

surely she was too young?

No Libby at all in this episode wtf? everyone else got at least 2 seconds on camera (Eko, Claire), except Rose and Bernard, but at least now we know what he does for a living.

I really thought Sayid was gonna pick up Walt on the radio.

Ana Lucia referring to Scott/Steve was stupid. It's a pretty lame joke I don't know why they keep going back to it.

How will they get the guns back from Sawyer?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Saturday, 11 February 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

Nope, it was Kate's mum! I only noticed her because she was also one of the aunts in Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

I really roffled at the Scott/Steve joke coming from Ana-Lucia, because she never met them before he died and had no reason at all to confuse them.

― melton mowbray (adr), Saturday, 11 February 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

Libby was in the background during Sawyer's big speech...

― T/S: Pinks/Oki Dog/Scoobys/Tail o' the Pup (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

libby is probably the one who dragged sun away?

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 11 February 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

no it was Dark Charlie innit

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Saturday, 11 February 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to be dense -- what is this Scott/Steve thing?

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 11 February 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

she referred to one of the non-major castaways as "scott" who was actually named steve. or vice-versa.

thought this episode was going well until the end, when it just got kind of dumb. i'm really starting to get the sense they're trying to adjust to a much longer run than they had originally planned.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Saturday, 11 February 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

the bit where the camera cut between Kate and Ana Lucia exchanging stern glances was brilliant i thought.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Saturday, 11 February 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Do you think they actually had a concrete arc (number of seasons) planned? If so, how many do you think they had planned -- two? In television how can you see more than even one season in advance (ie., knowing after two or three episodes in season two that you would get a third season).

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 11 February 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

i think they've got a big arc planned out, for the most part. in one of the official podcasts they said that they had actually made some preparations to answer some questions at the end of the first season if it looked like they wouldn't be renewed. i recall reading somewhere they had originally planned for two...

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

I can't imagine this show keeping the tension level up for more than 2 or 3 seasons. 4 at the most, and that's stretching it. After that, i only envision a mess where guest stars crash on the island every week and the castaways get their own pet robot polar bear.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think the trick they have in mind is to get the story to a point where they reveal the answers to one set of questions, and then those answers bring more questions and higher stakes. It's not thaaaaat hard to do. They've already done it, actually. I think the series is much better post-hatch.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 12 February 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

My understanding is also that they also look at all the survivors as potential major characters. So if we get tired of Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc. they can always (and plan to) draw on other people we haven't met with. So capturing, injuring, or killing people we know now will also help keep tension up and stretch out the storyline.

― Mitya (mitya), Sunday, 12 February 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think they should do a third season and then stop. Trilogy zen etc.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know how many seasons I could even take! That first season lasted at least two years. They are trying to give me a heart attack. I swear t.v. seasons used to end once upon a time. t.v. has gone nuts. just think, there are people who started watching the sopranos in grade school who are now married with children and waiting for a 6th season!

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 12 February 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't someone say once that they were contracted for eight seasons?

If the year's 2013, you're reading this thread, you know where I live, and I'm still watching Lost - go buy a laser pistol and shoot me.

― melton mowbray (adr), Sunday, 12 February 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

sounds like tonight's episode is a humdinger.

but then a three week gap until the next? :( those NBC motherfuckers.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

excellent for me as I'm going to europe for three weeks! thanks ABC!

― Clay (cws), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

those ABC motherfuckers!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

Sororah, the three week gap is after next week, not this episode.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, I think tv viewers can be such pussies sometimes, at least compared to comics readers who have to wait a month or so between episodes and follow a story that is much less dense for several years at a time. In my frame of reference, Lost is pretty fast-moving! In May, there will be 49 episodes in just a little over a year. That's a LOT.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

Our 50 minutes of Lost every week are much more intense than a comic. Because there's less "momentum" in a comic, it's easier to wait that month. And that month makes the years at a time easier.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, so the guy is totally an Other. But I wouldn't have had to beat the bejesus out of him to know. I'd just question why a guy who'd been on an around-the-world balloon trip and crashed on an island over 4 months ago and had buried his wife two weeks ago would bother to shave his face. Any razor he'd have been carrying on a balloon wouldn't last that long.

Also, WTF were the symbols on the countdown readout that started flickering about after 000.00?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

No doubt there will be screencaps forthcoming.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, that was sort of disappointing. I guess.

And I was wrong! We have to wait til March 1st for the next episode, unfortunately.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

Aaaaaiiiigh!

So do we think Locke stopped the "event" with his reset or whether that was all there was?

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

Disappointing? No episode that's ever centered around Sayid has been disappointing, and tonight's might even be his best yet.

Plus, Sawyer squished a froggy in his bare hands.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think that's all there was, Mitya. But there's probably more than we know right now. I've got a nagging suspicion the fact that those symbols came up in a hatch marked "quarantine" is a bad sign.

I think this episode was disappointing for me because I'd really hyped it up in my mind after watching the trailer for it last week. I was also hoping that we'd get a few crumbs of info from the Other dude, but no, not really. But I'm happy about the fact that the actors who play Mr. Beardy and Ethan are slated to appear in the very next episode...

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

Good point. Although it seems kind of silly if something happened off-screen that the counter would just reset again.

(BTW, I spent all last night reading about Civil War and House of M, Matthew, and it's all your fault. I weaned myself of my comic habit years ago.)

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

I just read an interesting theory/point on another message board about how you know this guy is an Other. He said his name is Henry Gale. Henry Gale was also the name of Dorothy's uncle in the Wizard of Oz, which also featured a hot air balloon. So maybe that's where the guy got his story.

― Rebekkah (burntbrat), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

That's crazy. Bananas! And completely fitting.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:50 (nineteen years ago)

so, I have only posted on ILM so far .... now I'm REALLY stepping into the abyss

in the nicest possible way of course

anyhow, I think the symbols on the timer are hieroglyphics

here's a screencap of the timer
http://flight815.blogspot.com/

and a hieroglyphic alphabet
http://134.29.1.130/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/images/heiroglyphicsimages/egypt150.gif

S, (blank), R, A, ??

the A is the clearest. the S could also be a C.

I'm sure someone will have this all worked out by morning :)

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 16 February 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

The B-Story of mean Sawyer wanting to kill a frog was just that, right? I'm not missing some deeper meaning?

― T/S: Pinks/Oki Dog/Scoobys/Tail o' the Pup (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 06:47 (nineteen years ago)

torture + hating frogs = clearly an allusion to US politics

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

i hate it when people link out to other Lost things on the interweb. i could wind up reading this stupid shit all night. : (

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 16 February 2006 07:18 (nineteen years ago)

i wish i had just waited for the dvds. i really liked tonight's episode though. i work with a guy with an egypt fixation. but it'll probably be more or less interpreted by morning i guess.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 16 February 2006 07:24 (nineteen years ago)

the hieroglyphs mean "Die!"
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/Alyson3783/hieroglyphs.jpg

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

that dude is totally an other. but you KNOW they are gonna let him free and he gonna report back to bushy bob and shit gonna go down.

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Thursday, 16 February 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

I bet in the next ep Jack will untie him and make him hot cocoa or some shit then he gonna bust out and fuck sun or something.

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Thursday, 16 February 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, I just figured the tip-off that he was an Other was simply that the dude was a white guy dressed entirely in a khaki uniform, same as Goodwin and Mr. Beardy.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 16 February 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

and Libby

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

Man, Charlie really is everyone's pawn isn't he?

"Our" islanders aren't doing much to counter the idea that they're "bad", are they? In fact, assuming all the people they took are alive and okay, the people we know have done a lot more immoral stuff than the Others, haven't they? Or am I forgetting something

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

I seem to be casting every statement in the form of a question tonight, don't I?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

I spent the entire episode thinking about accentmonkey's sheer pleasure in 50 minutes of Sayid hotness! I like him better on the island, with the long hair and the perpetual wife beater shirt.
There are definitely two sets of Others.
I'm not sure if I keep watching because it's important to look forward to something - new episode! - or because I'm actually interested. I miss the supernatural parts.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Did the glyphs actually halt on "die" or is that just the screencap that people picked up? It was really only the last two or three that really settled, as far as I remember. Changing the first two symbols could easily turn this into "bananas" or "mud," couldn't it?

For the moment, though, I will take this as confirmation for one of my initial theories, namely, that the timer was just a way to keep people tied to the bunker, and that re-starting the cycle was at most a signal to someone that there was no one in (or alive) in the bunker.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting thing about John Locke - in the first season, he's a restless outdoorsman, he's always out hunting and tracking. In the second season, he's barely ever doing any of that because he's constantly down in the hatch minding the computer, the library, the armory, etc. I wonder if they plan on addressing this change in behavior down the line.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

I think all but the second letter had stopped flipping, but I'm not sure. The screencap seems like the last possible shot of the thing before Locke resets it.

There was def. something going on besides just the symbols appearing ... you could hear noises like sealed doors sliding shut, or an engine revving up for something to launch, once the timer got below zero. Then when it was reset the engine noises stopped.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

The B-Story of mean Sawyer wanting to kill a frog was just that, right? I'm not missing some deeper meaning?

I think it was a sad commentary on the U.S.'s rejection of Crazy Frog as a pop icon.

― My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

I think that the Lost creators hadn't counted on Josh Holloway being so popular with the ladies, and so they're making a concerted effort to remind us that he's unsavoury.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody else catch Kate's dad in the back of the Army truck?

― Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

YES.
When he first appeared, I was like, hey, isn't that one of the guys from Hill St. Blues (which was exactly what I thought when he was in the Kate flashback, but didn't remember then)?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah they gave it away by showing him looking at a picture of her. I would have recognized him otherwise.

I have a feeling that the Kurgan will be a recurring character though. I love that guy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think the glyphs were folded cloth "s", not revealed, reed "i", vulture "ah", bird foot. I'm only certain about folded cloth and vulture.

― Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Kurgan?

http://missspooky.free.fr/mswfilm/Highlander/kurgan/kurgan_tour.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wow, it really WAS the dude who played Kurgan! I never would have known if you didn't say something.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Rank each of these Lost cameo's by their best known role:

Sabrina's mom
The Kurgan
Hill Street Blues guy
Orgazmo wife or the girl from Ed whichever
Mr Dewitt
That guy who blew himself up who is in everything like ever!

There must be others, right?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

The "main" Other's guy was like the evil biker guy in that Airplane movie with Nick Cage! Also Tom Cruise's mishappen cousin!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

the dude who played Kurgan

He was in Carnivale too!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait and Liquid Metal Terminater Guy was in one Sawyer episodes. I think I like the Kurgan a little more than him though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

POV (in order)

1. Kurgan
2. Sabrina's Mom
3. Liquid Metal Terminater Guy
4. Mike Seaver's Teacher/Principal (?)
5. Biker guy from Con-Air

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus Christ, Mr. Beardy is the guy in "Sideways" who runs naked after Paul Giamatti through the streets!

I had only remembered him as the head of security from "Club Dread" (a film that I believe I am the only living fan of).

― T/S: Pinks/Oki Dog/Scoobys/Tail o' the Pup (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

the dude who played Kurgan
He was in Carnivale too!

http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1997_Starship_Troopers/Thumb/997STS_Clancy_Brown_002.jpg
HI DERE

― Yawn (Wintermute), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, he ruled in starship troopsersz.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my God, I've seen Mr. Beardy's wang and didn't even know it!

I recognized that one dude as being the evil guy on Carnivale.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

Liquid Metal Terminater

You mean Agent Dawgett?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

No no I mean Johnny Cash's dad.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, right.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

Who was in Hill Street Blues?

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Kate's dad apparently.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Although according to IMDB that is not true.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0320163/

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Well, he looks like the sad-faced guy from HSB.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Kate's Dad was Joe Spano.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, remember when we first met Kate's Dad, and he was in his Army Office and there was a TV in the room with Sayid's image on it. Hey-nonny-nonny!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Aimurchie is right. That was the HOTTNESS! Somehow the stone-coldness makes it even more HOTT.

And it looks like he's raising a hobbit army all his own. It's great. It's like he just woke up.

I don't recognise Kate's Dad from Hill Street Blues, and I've been watching reruns of it lately, so it's fresh in my mind.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Mister Monkey is accusing Sayid of using Soul Glow.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

Don't know if this has been covered on the season one thread but we could have seen that Ethan was an other because Ethan Rom is an anagram of Other Man. Anyone see any anagrams of Henry Gale (other than Hyreen Lag, Rangey Hel or Hey Leg Ran)

I tried this with other characters but came to the conclusion that i'm rubbish at it.

Charlie Pace = Ee, Crap Alice
Claire Littleton = Lilt Near Toe Clit
Michael Dawson = Mason Lice Wade
Sun Kwon = Nun Woks
Libby = Billy

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmmm, actually seems Libby would be Bilby.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

LOVED the hieroglyphics...except...what the hell would be the point of spelling out DIE this way rather than the Queen's English? Very silly. Still I figure there was some bonus time given after the clock runs to 0 as a precuation and Locke managed to halt the wheels cranking into motion.

Sayid has really turned. I like it. Also great to see Jack flip out and finally get physical with teh Lockester.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

hello...

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not wading through all that crap but it's impressive to see the lengths gone to to justify using cool glyphs to proclaim IMPENDING DOOM.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

The White Album is exactly 108 minutes long! The hieroglyphs say "I BURIED PAUL."

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Former Iraqi Republican Guard torturer who survives an airplane crash: HOT!

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Lilt Near Toe Clit loves her tight slippers.

But I'm happy about the fact that the actors who play Mr. Beardy and Ethan are slated to appear in the very next episode...?

Somebody check the flight manifest!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

don't know if this has been mentioned yet re: libby, and i feel dumb that it hadn't ocurred to me before... but libby was in the tail of the plan, how could hurley have stepped on her foot? would he even have passed her on the plane?

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 18 February 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

also, just looked somewhere else and it would seem that a lot of people are saying that bigspaceship website is a hoax and that it never had anything to do with the show.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Saturday, 18 February 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

it never claimed to have anything to do with the show, did it?

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 18 February 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

also, if that's a hoax, the people behind the show have even propogated hoaxes. like that script page about walt being a zombie? and the one about the mapinguari?

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 18 February 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

They may have boarded at the same time, and he stepped on her foot going down the aisle.

― nickn (nickn), Saturday, 18 February 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

another great episode, it always ends too soon though.

is the guy an Other then? I think what clinched it for me was the faintly spooky look he gave Sayid as the door closed.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 18 February 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

That's what I thought: there was just enough of a "look" in his eyes to communicate the expression of a man who wouldn't be broken by torture, but who couldn't stop himself from flinching when his torturer gets his comeuppance. Of sorts.

Or it could not have been a look at all. Great acting, really, to the extent a split-second facial expression is acting.

To me, Sayyid's first rationale for why Henry was an Other -- that he seemed unable to remember anything about where and how he buried his wife -- seems pretty convincing.

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 18 February 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

I thought he looked like he was enjoying the fact that Sayid had become upset, and also that Jack had stopped the torture.

It was just for a split second after Jack stepped in. I'm pretty sure the music synced with it quite well too.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 18 February 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure my favorite thing about this episode was that batshit look on Jack's face when he was fighting with Locke.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 18 February 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

the other/henry gale's look is the equivalent of shifty eyes villiany, stop overanalyzing it

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 18 February 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite cameo in the newest episode: the US soldier who called Sayid "hombre" = the voice of Spongebob's boss, Mr. Krabs. This was, in my opinion, the most emotionally tense episode of the entire series.

I hope Harold Perrineau is still getting paid for all these episodes he's not in.

― nklshs, Saturday, 18 February 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

yeesh. that's half the point of watching.

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 18 February 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

the other/henry gale's look is the equivalent of shifty eyes villiany, stop overanalyzing it

yeah that's what I read it as. maybe I was being dumb but until that point I thought what the guy was could go either way.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 18 February 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

the fact that henry gale is the character in wizard of oz, and people say there's a hot air balloon in wizard of oz (i can't actually remember, is there?), makes me think his story is almost certainly made up.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Sunday, 19 February 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

but libby was in the tail of the plan, how could hurley have stepped on her foot? would he even have passed her on the plane?

They may have boarded at the same time, and he stepped on her foot going down the aisle.

hurley boarded last...he was running really late and barely caught the flight. i suppose he could have stepped on her foot in the aisles when heading to the bathroom or something, but it's more likely that she's making that up.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Sunday, 19 February 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Only caught up with these today (what I was saying upthread about Lost maybe not being exciting enough for me to download it instantly any more was clearly true). Found it quite disappointing that we had a nice sawyer-takes-over set up, which left me thinking "ah, ok, here's a whole new world of interesting mess", but then soon as the next ep rolls round, everyone's fine and acting like normal and ok, the armoury is empty, but sawyer's hardly playing mr boss, he's busy chasing a from round and apologising to hurley and stuff instead.

But both these episodes were good, if you imagine they were stand alones, rather than part of a long term story arc.

So I'm not sure what I think either way really, at this point.

― JimD (JimD), Sunday, 19 February 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

a from? a frog, obviously.

― JimD (JimD), Sunday, 19 February 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

She may have boarded next-to-last. It's entirely likely that she's making stuff up (although why make up something that the person involved in the fantasy would know it's untrue?), but not convincing from an outsider's POV, yet.

Found it quite disappointing that we had a nice sawyer-takes-over set up, which left me thinking "ah, ok, here's a whole new world of interesting mess", but then soon as the next ep rolls round, everyone's fine and acting like normal and ok, the armoury is empty, but sawyer's hardly playing mr boss, he's busy chasing a from round and apologising to hurley and stuff instead.

Yes!!! I also thought Sawyer was definately acting *not* like the "new sheriff" but the person I expressed this to said "Are you watching the same show as I am?" I'm thinking maybe this last episode was shown out of sequence, like maybe they put the extra dramatic show of last week on ahead of schedule to avoid the Olympic drain or something.

― nickn (nickn), Sunday, 19 February 2006 04:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ditto. They do that too often -- make a symbolic gesture toward previous episode (e.g. Jin ignores Sawyer) and then act like "normal."

― Mitya (mitya), Sunday, 19 February 2006 05:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think they just try to avoid being too dense with continuity - they made a nod to the Sawyer situation by showing that he had alienated everyone all over again, but they didn't want to get too much into the details because they wanted to focus on a different set of issues in that episode. It's rather like how Sayid was shuffled to the background while he was mourning Shannon. There were a couple of nods to this, but they (wisely) opted not to have Sayid come out and say "I am upset because my girlfriend is dead" in every episode.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 19 February 2006 07:49 (nineteen years ago)

WTF? I don't remember seeing this at all: http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/1618980/

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 19 February 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

but then soon as the next ep rolls round, everyone's fine and acting like normal and ok, the armoury is empty, but sawyer's hardly playing mr boss, he's busy chasing a from round and apologising to hurley and stuff instead.

The last few episodes have been entertaining, but there's been a lot of this kind of thing. Just generally, people acting out of character. Locke getting all badass; Jack's "we're gonna raise an army" followed by nothing the next episode; Sawyer grandstanding over nothing with his big speech then going back to normal; Sayed losing it in this episode. In all the cases, you can theoretically point to a reason why they are supposed to be acting this way, but maybe the change has just been too abrupt. It has jarred.

On a lighter note, how have I missed the Driveshaft fansite till now? It's a goldmine. Check out Charlie's solo project

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 19 February 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

The bearded US army guy in Iraq was a brilliant cameo.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 19 February 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.driveshaftband.com/Charlie%20thing_Alexandra.JPG.jpg

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 19 February 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot how hot Sun looks in that Lost TV ad with the Portishead.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Sunday, 19 February 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

lots of fun for seinfeld fans on the driveshaft site:

DriveSHAFT would like to thank the following people and organizations for their help and inspiration: the Pace, St. John and Gleason families, Kenny Bania, Jack Klompus, Susan Ross, Bob Saccamano, Tim Whatley and everyone at Rhythm Records, Ted Tallis, Julian Quinnell, Chloe Sandoval, Sue Ellen Mischke, Martin Von Nostrand, Sal Bass, Barry Profit, Beth Grace, Jason "Stankey" Hanke, Tia Van Camp, Donna Chang, Melissa Reid and Yuri Testikov. And Thank You.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 19 February 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't the Sawyer acting normal thing just Lost's usual style of totally ignoring one storyline at a time, like this episode was about "the others" and the next will be about camp politics again?

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 19 February 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

Is that Charlie's Lord of the Rings tattoo we can see in the photo above?

― melton mowbray (adr), Sunday, 19 February 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, he's got the ring around his neck! How did he get that?

Also I think that Sawyer is acting 'normal' because he took all the guns away from everyone to make them all calm down. He knows how much less likely everyone is to go running off into the jungle now that their arms are gone. Or am I crediting his character with too many brain cells?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 19 February 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

I've just remembered the "Your ranch disorder is gonna be the lead item on the coconut internet". Man, I love Sawyer.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 19 February 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

seriously, he can crush all the frogs he wants but they're still giving him the best lines on the show.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

I've only just managed to understand that line. Masterful.

Anyone checked previous episodes to see if Henry Gale was ever on TV at any point (e.g. Man And Wife Attempt Pacific Crossing In Giant Balloon)? If not then he MUST be One Of Them...

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

I'm looking forward to finding out that that was some kind of poisonous tree frog that poisoned him with its dying gasp.

I am so bummed there's no episode this week. Fuckers.

― Mitya (mitya), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

For all you junkies, an interesting theory of the island printed by an Entertainment Weekly columnist this week:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1162044_3_0_,00.html

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

OH man, that sounds so cool. But if it's right I'm going to be pissed off because it would've been so much cooler to find out on the show. Like an oh my God they are geniuses and now I must dress up and go to Lost conventions cool.

― Rebekkah (burntbrat), Saturday, 25 February 2006 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

Dole & Kom
MONSTER EATS THE PILOT

This one is the third EP by Dole & Kom on EK Records, before the long awaited Album will come this spring..

28.02.2006 - technonews | techno | techhouse | minimal

EK Records / EK09

A1-flight 815
A2-i am bernard

B1-monster eats the pilot
B2-the hedge

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

lame!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

I AM BERNARD

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

I imagine this big 64-bar buildup and then the beat cuts and the "was there a black woman among your party?!" sample floats in.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

sawyer still annoys me. his cute lines and nicknames for everyone grate far more often than are slightly funny

the bearded kurgen army guy cameo was good

lost my place on this thread so haven't read all of the bits I'd missed (just watched eps 13 & 14 on sun)

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

the annoying thing about Swayer is, like many others, his anger towards The Others has been displaced/ignored. his antics last episode were entertaining but it still feels like too much compromise at the expense of, uh, 'realism'.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

he's all over the place -- angry at Others, self-pitying, angry at castaways...

― Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit! Rousseau is an Other Ob/Gyn!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

OMG! Ethan!

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

So presumably this is her mind playing tricks with her. Wouldn't she have recognized Ethan on the island is he'd been her doctor in Australia?

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

So the plot thickens. Was it just random that Claire was flying to LA to give away the baby and Ethan was making use of that, or did the psychic essentially send the baby to the Others/the Island?

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

Mr Beardy's beard is FAKE?????

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

Next week looks interesting, if there is more to the episode than what they showed in the teaser.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, Rousseau's DAUGHTER is an indentured servant of the other ob/gyns. I must say, they sure found an actress that looks a lot like a younger Rousseau. In that first split-second flashback I thought it was Rousseau all cleaned up with hair brushed, but no, twas youth that explaineth the difference.

Drunk.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

The drugged Claire was entertaining.
I yelled "Another hatch!!" when they uncovered the other hatch doors. Hatches be everywhere on this island. This one was particularly creepy. But even though it reminded me of Twin Peaks, it is so far from the creepy of Twin Peaks that I couldn't help but feel disappointed, even a bit annoyed.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

it didn't turn out to be that scary in there. especially with the lights on.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

i had my hopes up for scary when they started walking down into it too.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

This episode just made me realize how much I hated Claire.

― My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe they packed up all those toys, and the 747 crib mobile. Why? They must have yet another hatch.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

This island is one big hatch. It's Hatch Island. The Island of a Thousand Hatches None of Which Are Really As Creepy As You Might've Imagined.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

where is matthew tonight?

okay, so... if we assume as we are meant to that that was zeke/mr. beardy's beard, then what did we learn from kate's rooting around in the locker (and did she bring that mysterious box back with her?)

1. the others seem to have perfectly "normal" clothes that they live in, and drop into that hatch to change into their smelly, moldy rags and disguise themselves.
2. which also suggests - no surprise - that they have nice digs elsewhere (on the island).

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 March 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

I think they have abandoned that hatch altogether because of the Claire mission debacle

but yes, they are "normal looking" dudes in disguise as crusty island pirates, it seems

"the numbers" were printed on the vaccine bottles, of course ....

so if the baby got better, does that mean the "medicine" was some sort of placebo / psych experiment to get Claire to give up her baby willingly to strangers? ... I'm not sure whether there is really a disease (as Rousseau believes) or if the fear of it is just another "button" they have to push in the big ol' island behavioral b.f. skinner lab

wtf was up with mr. eko??

I thought this was a really good episode ... answered some questions, raised way more ...

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 March 2006 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

when Zeke minus the beard said, "you know what HE will do about it" ....

He = Alvar Hanso? pulling the plug on the experiments?

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 March 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Eko was reinforcing the plot thread that holds that all the familiar main character people are morally bad for one reason or another. The people that the Others had on their kidnapping lists are all supposedly "good" (although who knows where the Others are getting their magical moral compass).

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. (Fake) Beardy may have been referring to Hanso, but my initial gut instinct was that he was talking about Jack!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

there's vaccine in the (first) hatch, no? desmond's stash. or did he take it with him when he ran off?

I hope kate stole the beard

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

She can use it as a merkin.

Eko was channeling his violent-thug past to put a scare into Gale with the knife. Like, I have to confess to someone, and who better than a DEAD MAN. He knows Gale is bad. He sussed out the situation right away. Can't pull the wool over Eko's eyes. And speaking of textiles, I also love Eko's all-torn-up-but-still-blindingly-white shirt.

AND WE SHOULD ALL BE CELEBRATING THE LOPPING-OFF OF HIS BEARD DINGLEBERRY, WHATEVER ITS SYMBOLIC SIGNIFICANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps/215/NONAME_005_000_081.jpg

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm getting the dread blue square w/ question mark, Maria, and if it has something to do with the dingleberry I WANT TO SEE IT!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Do you suppose the beard-cutting was just a cheap trick to make us think he was going to slit his own throat? Shaving a beard can be a sign of mourning in ancient Christianity, but what about just cutting off a teensy bit of hair? He's only mourning a little, apparently.

Is Eko making a church with his felled logs?

xpost

I'll try posting it again. It shows up on my computer.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps/215/NONAME_005_000_081.jpg

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps/215/NONAME_002_000_138.jpg

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

That's not beardy, is it?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

They tried to take Eko, but he killed his captors. I can't imagine they think he's "good" given all the crimes of his past.

What was it that the guy in the hall said to Ethan about the list?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still seeing blue squares. I forget the exact dialogue in the hall. You can check TWOP if you've got a couple hours to spare..

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

"They tried to take Eko, but he killed his captors. I can't imagine they think he's "good" given all the crimes of his past."

ahh but now he's a priest -- he repented, god forgives, etc etc

I think that's why he was making a "confession" to Gale, trying to beg his way back onto the "good" list (maybe)

"What was it that the guy in the hall said to Ethan about the list?"

something along the lines of, "You were supposed to make the list first, THEN bring her here." and Ethan sez, "I couldn't help it, they knew I wasn't on the plane."

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, now it comes back to me.

I still say Eko was putting a scare into Gale. He's not going to be an interesting character if he's all priestly all the time. The writer are smarter than that, I hope. He HAS to access his inner thug.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

I need to go back and watch whatever episode where they have the discussion about taking the "good" ones. (Anyone who can remind me exactly which episode that is gets my thanks.)
I am still not convinced that this "good" is necessarily a moral quality the way we are discussing it.

I actually think Eko can be perfectly interesting without doing anything thuggish - just knowing that's in his past will keep us on edge. It might be interesting to keep him as the one (significant) castway who doesn't actually do anything evil/wrong/bad.

In other news, I read in other internet chatter that Gale's story will ultimately actually true and that he's not an Other, as unlikely as it seems at this point. Chatter being chatter, you can't take it too seriously, but the "leak" sounded believable to me. What would that get us?

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

From Wikipedia: The planes on the mobile in the nursery bear the Oceanic logo on them. The song that the mobile plays is "Catch a Falling Star" by Perry Como, the same song that Claire requested the couple who were going to adopt her baby sing to him as a lullaby.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

(FAKE) BEARDY: What the hell happened? You were supposed to make the list and then bring her in. Was I unclear?

ETHAN: It's not my fault! They knew I wasn't on the plane. They had a manifest.

(FAKE) BEARDY: What am I supposed to tell him? You know what he's going to do when he finds out. Damn it, Ethan.

It is most definitely Mr. Beardy.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Presumably he means that Ethan was meant to make the list of what people from the front of the plane to take, but this never happened because of Ethan getting found out?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to ronan - yes

>I need to go back and watch whatever episode where they have the discussion about taking the "good" ones.<

It's the episode that showed you what had happened to the tail-section survivors. I think the Other who had infiltrated the tailies told this to Ana Lucia before she stuck a giant spear in his gut.

>I am still not convinced that this "good" is necessarily a moral quality the way we are discussing it.<

true, it could just as easily mean "tasty."

>In other news, I read in other internet chatter <

I know I am new to the discussion here and it's not really my place to make requests, but I'd like to stay away from spoilers / leaks / "my friend caught an advance look at the script" type of stuff if possible ...

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Why? 90% of time it's about as (un)true as the random non-spoiled leak speculation that everybody conjectures after every episode!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

I guess so ... I just don't like to hear that stuff ahead of time .... whatever, it's not a big deal

"there's vaccine in the (first) hatch, no? desmond's stash. or did he take it with him when he ran off?"

I had forgotten all about this until my wife said that they had shown Desmond shooting himself up with a hypo at some point

he stuffed at least some of the vaccine in his bag but I'm not sure if he took all of it

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Renard, I sort of purposely avoided any detail partially for that reason. Other people who want to find the "leak" rationale to prove why Henry isn't an other can find it by reading around the net. But we're all speculating on one thing or another, and ultimately it's just another story that may or may not prove true. I just wanted to provoke a little discussion given that the prevailing thought here has been that he's certainly an Other.

Was his behavior with Locke at the end "evil" or just the natural effort of a prisoner to loosen his confinement however he can? At the moment I am kind of liking the idea that Henry will prove "evil" (or perhaps I should say "unredeemable") in a way that none of the other castaways really seem to be.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

My reading of "good" is that the Dharma people are running a social experiment, and it largely concerns the "bad" people.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

I definitely saw it as malicious tactics, divide and conquer .... if he was a regular dude I would think he would just go on begging and sobbing ... but maybe not .... hmmm.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 March 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Do most of the main characters have in common that they had lots of money before stranding?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

locke's behavior at the end was so out of character, i am having a hard time believing he would be suckered by that guy.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Whatever, Locke is the paperest of tigers in the history of paper and tigers. He's like Papyrus Sabre-Tooth. He's soooo easily emotionally manipulated and desperate for THE LOVE.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

I could see him pitching a frustrated hissy, but waiting until he got out of Uncle Henry's earshot.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Gale has to be a dharma headshrinker. he's totally gonna pull a hannibal lector and make everyone do crazy stuff from in there.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha I hope so

was it Locke or Jack who warned Eko that Gale is "very smart and manipulative" or something

if it was Locke I sure can't see him falling for Divide Your Enemy 101 just one day later

he must be pulling some sneaky bizness of his own (i.e. he wanted to *make sure* he was in Uncle Henry's earshot)

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 2 March 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

To be charitable toward Locke, he may be feeling vulnerable given the way he was suckered by Sawyer last week (or a day or two ago in island time, right?). I was surprised by his reaction, too, though. After all, he helped Sayid, and now suddenly he's getting all weak-kneed about a prisoner?

I still think a lot of the interpersonal hostility on the show is forced. Did anyone else think the relatively easy way Jack and Locke were getting along during this episode seemed off-key given the blow-up over the prisoner? The writers are keeping us off-balance by showing these major confrontations and then not carrying through.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 March 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

whenever i doubt the plausibility of a character's behaviour on Lost, I just tell myself that they were in a plane crash and that people act weird after they have been thru a major trauma. works for me!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Locke would be more intelligent than to be duped like that -- poor writing.

― def zep (calstars), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

They should call this show `Lost with Lots of Makeup.`

― def zep (calstars), Thursday, 2 March 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

Any thoughts on what the setup will be for the last ep of this season?

― def zep (calstars), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

I would like to think that Locke knew what he was doing. the guy JUST TOLD HIM that he can hear everything. He couldn't be stupid enough to have a hissy fit right after that. could he?

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

Why is Jack STILL on button duty? I suppose he reluctantly agreed to continue because of Henry.

I thought Locke would be more intelligent than to be duped like that -- poor writing.

Not at all. We've seen before in flashbacks how Locke can get wound up easily, "Don't tell me what I can't do" etc. - that's being brought back to the boil now. He's probably a bit angry with himself for always fucking up the typing of the numbers as he did in the previous episode, altho that did prove revelatory to him somehow.

The airplane mobile was just silly though - why would they have an airplane mobile for the baby??

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

i liked what happened in this episode, but it was the first time I was really bothered by the writing, for some reason; like, the events were cool, but it just played out badly, or phony, or something. things happened way too fast and seemed too convenient. am I actually saying I think this should have been stretched out over two hours? maybe.

Sun's "I need a pregnancy test" in the commercial for next week also sounds ridiculous.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

I never get to see ads for the next episode. It's really weird watching each new episode with no real idea about what's going to happen but pretty cool.

How about Libby? She seemed v natural and innocent when assisting Claire, didn't react to mention of Ethan suspiciously.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

It's really weird watching each new episode with no real idea about what's going to happen but pretty cool.

!!? Isn't this the way we have usually watched TV?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Not all shows have the "Next week on..." feature. I believe someone said that in some countries they don't show the previews.

I would like to think that Locke knew what he was doing. the guy JUST TOLD HIM that he can hear everything. He couldn't be stupid enough to have a hissy fit right after that. could he?

Perhaps what he was angry not at the substance of Gale's comment, but at the fact that this possible "spy" was down in the Hatch and could hear everything that was going on.

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

> Sun's "I need a pregnancy test" in the commercial for next week also sounds ridiculous

yeah that's getting dangerously close to soap opera territory, WHO IS THE FATHER OF SUN'S SECRET ISLAND LOVE CHILD?!

> How about Libby?

I really want her to become more of a main character. I think she has some kind of a past history w/ Hurley (she's a psych doc, he was in a mental ward .... )

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 3 March 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it's a bit obvious, but was it a clue that locke gave gale a copy of _the brothers karamazov_? i had always assumed that locke probably killed his father, and this would be another indication that that's true.

and for some reason i think sun's pregnancy test might be some way for them to bring the disease paranoia into the camp.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

are there any clues to be gained from Dosoyevsky vs. Hemingway? I don't know the plot of Brothers Karamazov

ha ha xpost

scary

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

i can't believe you don't think Jin is making sweet love to Sun every night...

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

somehow i'm half-expecting that the 'infection' will now turn out to be some pseudo-philosophical balls; despite ok yes actual drugs n jabs paraphenalia evidence they r also balancing it with its vagueness (if rousseau seems to know what she means about the infection WHY NOT BLOODY WELL ASK HER SINCE SHE'S THERE TELLING U HAVE TO KILL UR BABY) (i think i may have forgotten some previous info about the infection actually, did she kill her crew because of it? what were the er symptoms she said again?) dharma club cultishness, good n evil lists, and what have u. why i've put the two together i dunno really.

super karamazov brothers cd also tie in with the er squabbling children of a murdered father sin/faith angle. also squabbling children of TEH BUTTON! (of faith.) and at its most obvious a simple ref to mistaken squabbling getting way outta control like it will no doubt do with locke soon. (i am going for bad writing and not good bluffing here i'm afraid)

also she is called rousseau, pure humasn getting corrupted by society innit

― hold tight the fake beard of k-punk (mwah), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

also i ws a bit bummed they tied dharma to the ragbag pirate others so soon and so totally into one dull bloc of enemy, it really is just the x-files now.

ethan (tim westwood twin or wot) set to return lovesick for claire i imagine?

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 3 March 2006 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

dudes, stop discussing NEXT WEEK'S plot, ffs. Some of us who don't see "next week on lost" prefer it that way. It's one thing talking about random internet rumours here, but giving us actual lines of dialogue from the next episode is a LOT more spoily.

Did anyone screencap the keyring on ethan's keys? We seemed to get a lingering closeup of it. It's probably just the dharma logo, but it's possible it was something else...

I agree locke (apparently) falling for those tactics was out of character, but then so was locke beating down on charlie the other week. Locke just generally isn't himself at the moment, is he?

And where was sayid this week??

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 3 March 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

i realised the other reason i'm doubting is that the week before wasn't it jack who was huffy about keeping a prisoner while locke was all hey ho c'est la vie? random complete reversal this week.

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

the er, 3 weeks before i mean. (whats the schedule for the next few eps btw?)

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 3 March 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

The next episode is March 22nd, and then it's weekly for a little stretch. The next three flashbacks are Sun/Jin, Locke, and Hurley.

Whatever, Locke is the paperest of tigers in the history of paper and tigers. He's like Papyrus Sabre-Tooth. He's soooo easily emotionally manipulated and desperate for THE LOVE.

I'm with Huk on this one. I think Locke's got lots of issues, and his biggest is his pride and need to feel important and special. Gale sussed this out, and used it against him.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 3 March 2006 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

March 22nd?! WTF?!

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

!!? Isn't this the way we have usually watched TV?

Not really, lots of shows I've watched both from the UK and the US I've caught ads for on TV beforehand just by chance or indeed just before the show itself starts. The obv. difference with Lost for me is that I'm not watching it on TV, I'm watching it having downloaded it via the net. Whoever it is that records it and cuts all the adverts out and converts to avi so quickly is a God to me.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

ethan (tim westwood twin or wot) set to return lovesick for claire i imagine?

Tim Westwood?! And wahey, roll on ZOMBIE LOVE

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

What I found seriously odd was that Locke and Jack seemed to switch their points of view about keeping Henry Gale prisoner almost exactly, with Jack all of a sudden as the strong advocate for keeping him locked up and Locke all nice as pie. Is this meant to make sense? Felt kind of odd, after Locke's hardline stance previously.

Also I reckon there's no doubting "Henry" is a bad egg now, after that part at the end.

Did anyone else feel Eko was trying to re-humanise Gale a bit? I mean by saying "I killed two people and I'm telling you", perhaps hoping he'd get him to talk and avoid the sort of conclusion that seems more likely. There was a weird pastoral kind of thing going on anyway.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

i had my hopes up for scary when they started walking down into it too.

When they opened the door and saw the flickering lights etc., I told my wife, "I guess now we know what happens when you don't push the button in time. It signals a bugout from M*A*S*H Hatch!"

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still not clear whether Locke did press the button (just) in time before or not. And whether he thinks he did or not.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

It seems to me that he did avert whatever was about to happen.

Not clear how Eko managed to deduce so much so quickly. What if he had actually recognised Gale when he saw him? His face didn't give this away. But why be so sure otherwise?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose he got it in time, since the machines stopped their infernal racket. Though I guess it's possible an unspeakably awful silent punishment was unleashed.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

And why was Eko cutting down that tree he liked?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Every man kills the thing he likes.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

I still don't get why beardo would fake a beard and a fishermans hat. I'd like to believe it's possible he was just fucking with them?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it's so bizarre.

and the fact that Kate discovered it, it was as if this was just a 'fun' thing for us to notice, rather than something of any use to anyone else i.e. Sawyer or Jin might recognise the hat and beard but he already knows Walt is on the island so there's nothing to learn from the revelation that Mr Friendly likes to dress up as a hobo now and then.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

also you'd think Kate would know now where Swayer is stashing the guns, what with him having agreed to give her one (yay).

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Is there anyone who could have recognised "Mr Friendly"? Like, a reason for him to dress up?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

now that's interesting...

meanwhile i still don't quite understand why ABC put these gaps between each episode. someone remind me why it can't just be on every week consecutively?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

As I understand it, it's because America doesn't have a culture of demanding new episodes be on in the same weekly slot every week. They get edged out by Superbowls, Thanksgiving etc. Plus the seasons are much longer than British TV shows and I guess it's hard to pump out that many over a season, production-wise. The alternative would be to have a too-huge gap between seasons.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Is there anyone who could have recognised "Mr Friendly"? Like, a reason for him to dress up?

It's Walt on stilts!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yes I read that rumour. It sure is going to be controversial when they show "Mr Friendly" sleeping with Kate.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

As I understand it, it's because America doesn't have a culture of demanding new episodes be on in the same weekly slot every week. They get edged out by Superbowls, Thanksgiving etc.

Did this also apply to The X-Files in it's heyday? I suppose Lost is considered more mainstream than that though.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Someone tell me more about Italy. They seem to be peaking right now.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Because we don't have breaks over here, we catch up with the States during a run. According to a colleague of mine, there was one occasion where the final episode of one season of ER ended up being shown over here before it aired Stateside.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha, wrong thread (xpost)

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

would kate not have recognised the hat and beard from her kidnap? i know she had a bag over her head but it came off later no?

it does seem ludicrous the costume wd just be a comedy underlining that dharma like to dress up - as ronan sez, mr friendly probly known to someone. maybe even on the plane sabotaging it to bring in people to continue the experiment on

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

also i ws a bit bummed they tied dharma to the ragbag pirate others so soon and so totally into one dull bloc of enemy, it really is just the x-files now.

Is everyone assuming that this is actually the case? Just because they're arsing around with Dharma-branded medical equipment doesn't mean they are the original Dharma lot, does it?

I suppose there were those two that people claim to have identified as younger hippy versions of two of the Others in that training film, but that's old and inconclusive.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

also why was the costume box literally the only thing left behind in the bunker anyway! was it a spare just in case? or has he mislaid it like

"cmon beardy, time to have a laugh with the newbies"
"muhahaha yea- *pats jacket* - awww bollocks!"
"you dickhead! where do u remember last having it?"
"shut up!"

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

"And why was Eko cutting down that tree he liked?"

Maria thought he might be building a church.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

wonder what happened to Alex assuming they found out it was her who let Claire escape...if not, was the blame placed solely on Ethan? he had to go and get her back to make up for it - ditching the Mr Nice persona (no good without the drugs i guess). i guess Mr F wasn't bothered when he didn't come back. remember when Jack mentioned Ethan to Mr F and he was quite nonchalant about it, not giving anything away.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Just because they're arsing around with Dharma-branded medical equipment doesn't mean they are the original Dharma lot, does it?

wot like some pirates wd find all this stuff and say to themselves 'well i did always mean to brush up on my genetic engineering and apparently here are loads of supplies unrelated to previous dharma geomagnetic apocalypse project, wahey'

the word dharma is a cute choice really: from googling it can apply to both er inner protection (geomagnetic disaster at heart of earth's core etc) and philosophically like inner peace free from outside corrupting distractions (faith and looming god stuff mentioned previously, and faith in pressing the button in the first place), its a little too pat to suggest the two outside forces on the island arent linked i reckon

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Well if you came across Jack and his lot for the first time, wouldn't you assume some strange things about them, based on their weird hatch, button pressing and what have you?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

(fwiw, I don't think they are "pirates", no. And they probably are the Dharma lot, yes. I just don't think it's settled and there are likely to be some more twists about who they are)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

wonder what happened to Alex assuming they found out it was her who let Claire escape

It can't have been too bad -- she was accompanying them on Jack, Locke and Sawyer's little foray to look for Michael, when Kate got captured. Mr. Beardy calls out to "Alex" to bring Kate in.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

yeaaaah ok i suppose so.

can someone refresh me on what we learned about the infection in previous eps? i can't really remember.

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

when Kate got captured. Mr. Beardy calls out to "Alex" to bring Kate in.

yeah i guess they just blamed Ethan. or maybe there are 400 different Alexes on the island.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

xpost waaaaaaaaaaaaay up there
re: third ep

love it! esp. this: I imagine this big 64-bar buildup and then the beat cuts and the "was there a black woman among your party?!" sample floats in.
-- Sororah T Massacre (stevem7...), Tuesday 6:44 AM. (blueski) (later)

― ai lien (kold_krush), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

it's actually a great record

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

"The alternative would be to have a too-huge gap between seasons."

man, I would much prefer they do that

this once-every-three-weeks stuff is lame

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

isn't it kinda likely and sort of obvious, on reflection, that perhaps the "good people" thing is just a case of "ok we have this much vaccine, this many people can live, we need to find out who is youngest and strongest and best" etc.

correct me if this is what everyone had already concluded.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

and like, even as you conclude that you see why they never reveal anything, how boring is the world of the known!

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about that. I quite like my flat, for example, even though it offers few surprises. In fact, if it did surprise me, by toothbrush moving about every night or something, I don't think I'd like it so much.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

You raging conservative.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Lost of xposts:

Also I reckon there's no doubting "Henry" is a bad egg now, after that part at the end.

I sort of asked this before. If you were being held in solitary confinement and had been beaten (tortured?), might you not try and nasty trick like this as well, if you thought it might aid you in a long-term goal of escaping?

aybe even on the plane sabotaging it to bring in people to continue the experiment on

i am 99% certain this is true, if for no other reason than the fact that this would make him the best candidate to hide out in either one of the survivor camps to make the "lists," rather than send in two people who patently weren't on the plane

wonder what happened to Alex assuming they found out it was her who let Claire escape

I never thought about it until now, but if the Others are so bad, while didn't Alex run away as well?

We Americans have no "market power" vis-a-vis the gaps in episodes. Super Bowls aside, the networks will gladly substitute a new show into the time slot of a successful one in the hopes of attracting new viewers, especially for one-hour shows. But you hardly ever saw those classic Thursday night comedies get moved around. I love House but I can never figure out when it's on anymore.

When Lost's ratings drop, they will blame it on the show itself and not on the fact that the network has completely killed momentum.

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

err, "i am 99% certain this is NOT true" - ie Zeke wasn't on the plane and causing it to crash

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I agree that the Henry issue is still ambiguous (he's a branson-style rich dude, isn't he? so he's presumably smart enough to play tricks like that without necessarily being an other), and I kind of hope he does turn out to be good, just cos I like the character (nerdy, cynical, lost) and I'll be disappointed if that turns out to just be an act.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

> what we learned about the infection in previous eps?

the only thing I can remember is that Rousseau said the other members of her science expedition (three people?) got sick and so she killed them. I don't think she ever said what way they got sick .... I was picturing more of a 28 Days Later zombie scenario, not a skin rash and a fever.

also, the insides of the doors of the original hatch say "quarantine."

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose that could be a psych-out to make sure the button-pusher is scared to leave his hatch-hole ....

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 3 March 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Why would sombody held in quarantine be afraid to leave?

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah that is sort of backward

I was thinking if someone down in the hatch thought they could catch an infection in the jungle

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Didnt it say Quarantine on the inside of the hatch? Meaning the button pusher would be afraid to leave?

I agree with Mitya that it seems unlikely any of the Others were on the plane. Its more likely that the ships/planes (possibly even balloons) that have crashed there by accident were either drawn there, or knocked off track by the islands strange electromagnetic activity. the way i saw it was that Mr Zeke and co dress up like pirates/island natives as a front to hide the underground scientific experiments they are conducting with Dharma.

We've seen 3 of the 6 hatches now then right? The Desmond hatch was the Swan, but i couldnt make out the Dharma symbols on the hospital/nursery hatch.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

We've seen three spaces -- whether they are all "hatches" in the sense of the Swan/Desmond's hatch is a different matter.

― mitya's login cookie has been temporarily wiped, Friday, 3 March 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile i still don't quite understand why ABC put these gaps between each episode. someone remind me why it can't just be on every week consecutively?

It's mostly based on the fact that they can only produce so many episodes, and they have to work at some kind of realistic pace. It would be impossible for them to produce the show at a rate that would allow the show to be weekly for 24 consecutive weeks. Damon Lindelof describes this in greater detail in one of the Lost podcasts, actually.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

The argument could be "well, produce them all in advance of being aired...," but that's just not the way it works. There's summer breaks, there's holidays, there's the economic concerns of the network and the advertisers. If you're hung up on watching them at a faster pace, put it off and watch the dvds.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

In my experience, I enjoy the show more with the episodes staggered. The speculation and anticipation is a big part of the fun.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

it's the irregularity that bothers me. if, for example, i knew that it was on every second week, that would be much more acceptable. Or four weeks on and four weeks off, or four mini-seasons of six episodes each.

― mitya is still waiting for his new password, Friday, 3 March 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

Matthew, why are you always apologizing for The Man???!!! Does ABC have you on retainer? We don't want rational explanations. We are LOST fans, dammit. We don't know what to do with rational explanations!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

> i couldnt make out the Dharma symbols on the hospital/nursery hatch

it looked to me like a medical symbol, snakes entwined on a staff

I thought it was funny that even the fake-beard glue had a Dharma logo on it

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

I hate having to tell my friends that we have to wait three weeks for another fix. We've taken to watching films every thursday night to substitute for lack of Lost. (We get Lost a day late because it's downloaded, obv)

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not apologizing for The Man! It just kinda bugs me when people complain about this stuff pretending that the stuff isn't made by people who work on pretty intense schedules during the shooting season. Let's see you put together a show at the rate you're demanding!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 4 March 2006 06:02 (nineteen years ago)

the way i saw it was that Mr Zeke and co dress up like pirates/island natives as a front to hide the underground scientific experiments they are conducting with Dharma.

xp: exactly. and if one of their hatches is full of flashlights why would they carry torches around, as they did when they were searching for claire? as some sort of attempt to appear as something they're not.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Saturday, 4 March 2006 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

Well, realising after a sudden illumination that you are surrounded by men with flashlights has no grandiose historical precedent!

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 5 March 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

This blows my mind:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302769/ref=ase_dane101-20/002-3481573-1038445?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&tagActionCode=dane101-20

That they would PUBLISH A NOVEL that one of the characters was reading on the plane. WE KNOW IT'S A TV SHOW. IT'S OKAY. I think they're trying a leetle too hard for suspension of disbelief here.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

it's actually supposed to be "written" by a passenger who didn't survive the crash. they showed Hurley reading it 'round the campfire a couple episodes ago.

I think they are counting on Lost-obsessed types to buy the book looking for clues. I ain't buying the fucker but I definitely *perused the Amazon blurbs* looking for clues ... "sometimes evil has a familiar face" definitely locks in with certain theories of what's going on on the island ...

>>>
Book Description
Sometimes evil has a familiar face . . .
Paul Artisan, P.I. is a new version of an old breed -- a righter of wrongs, someone driven to get to the bottom of things. Too bad his usual cases are of the boring malpractice and fraud variety. Until now.
His new gig turns on the disappearance of one of a pair of twins, adult scions of a rich but tragedy-prone family. The missing twin -- a charismatic poster-boy for irresponsibility -- has spent his life daring people to hate him, punishing himself endlessly for his screw-ups and misdeeds. The other twin -- Artisan's client -- is dutiful and resentful in equal measure, bewildered that his "other half" could have turned out so badly, and wracked by guilt at his inability to reform him. He has a more practical reason, as well, for wanting his brother found: their crazy father, in failing health and with guilty secrets of his own, will not divide the family fortune until both siblings are accounted for.
But it isn't just a fortune that's at stake here. Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike. The P.I. may have his long-awaited chance to put his courage and ideals to the test, but if he doesn't get to the bottom of this case soon, it could very well cost him his life.
Troup's long-awaited Bad Twin is a suspenseful novel that touches on many powerful themes, including the consequence of vengeance, the power of redemption, and where to turn when all seems lost.

About the Author
Bad Twin is the highly-anticipated new novel by acclaimed mystery writer Gary Troup. Bad Twin was delivered to Hyperion just days before Troup boarded Oceanic Flight 815, which was lost in flight from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles in September 2004. He remains missing and is presumed dead.

― Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

this is what I am reduced to when there are 3-week breaks between episodes, THANKS A LOT abc

― Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

That they would PUBLISH A NOVEL that one of the characters was reading on the plane. WE KNOW IT'S A TV SHOW. IT'S OKAY. I think they're trying a leetle too hard for suspension of disbelief here.
http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/98/39/7678b340dca02e11baa56010._AA240_.L.jpg

― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:04 (nineteen years ago)

No kidding. Especially since that Amazon page is also hawking THREE Lost "novelizations." Feed the beast!

― mitya is really tired of making up names, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

I just don't understand why people are freaking out over the scheduling when this is how every other network show ever has done it. (Except for 24.)

― The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

1. Just because they do it, doesn't mean we have to like it.
2. If they can do it w/24, they can do it with Lost. (Did they do it with Dallas, Dynasty, Melrose Place, etc.?)

I just think that when you have a fairly plot-driven show like Lost, both the show's success and viewers' enjoyment depends on momentum. It's not like CSI, where repeats scattered throughout the season don't really "change" anything about your ongoing experience.

― mitya is really tired of making up names, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

3. Because us Britishes are not used to that shit. I would rather they filmed it all in advance and then showed it over consecutive weeks at a consistent time with no need to interrupt it with sport or whatever.

But yeah enough with this. I'm gonna be away for a week when the next two episodes are on - not sure yet how I will cope (esp. as Dr Who starts that same week ha ha).

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Waa-aa-alt!!

― Mitya (mitya), Monday, 13 March 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

NYT today:

The killing isn't over, either: the casts of "The Shield," "Everwood," "ER" and, again, "Lost" and "24," will be culled by the end of May.

I was under the impression that no-one else was going to die this season. Does anyone know if this is a mistake or new info?

― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it's the one that they're going to kill off because the actress is a pain in the ass that they really don't want on the show after all. someone had posted about that way upthread...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

No, that (the rumor about Ana Lucia/Michele Rodriguez) has been publicly disavowed several times by producers (and is also noted in the NYT article).

― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think she's rubbish

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 08:15 (nineteen years ago)

you're meant to, still, I think.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think you're supposed to think she's rubbish like I do

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

My boyfriend just came to visit me in Europe with the Season 1 DVDs. We downloaded and watched up to the last episode of Season 2, and so I am just now reading this thread.

After "Maternity Leave" there is quite a lot of new things to wonder and I am incredibly disappointed that now I have to watch the show with everyone else with all these breaks.

Anyhow, I noticed a discrepancy re: Rose and her husband. Supposedly Bernard is seated with Rose in the middle of the plane and is in the back using the restroom, but in the episode in which we actually finally meet Bernard, he is strapped into a seat which was in the tail section. Maybe it's just a silly mistake and was greatly overlooked, but LOST seems way too concerned with details. I could just as easily pass it off as a mistake, though.

― Brighid (Brighid), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

Just after posting this I realize that he probably came out of the bathroom as all the crazy turbulence started and jumped into a seat near the bathroom in the back of the plane. Nevermind! Who knows??!

― Brighid (Brighid), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

yes that's what happened

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

The problem concerns everyone, but the hatch is Locke's. What's up with that?

P.S. Sun is hot.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's a re-run tonight, right?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

No! It's new! Run to your TV!

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

P.P.S. Sayid is, too. Where is everyone tonight?

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

So wait, is this bald guy the one she clicked with before who actually loved an American girl?

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

Great meta soliloquy from Girlfighter: "People don't like me."

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

The problem with this is, of course, the fact that just because he knows where there's a balloon on the island can in no way prove that he's not an Other. It's their island. So they knows there's a balloon there.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

...but YOU'RE not the the father!

(This would be a whole lot more fun if there were someone else on this thread.)

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yay!!

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

So, now that Sun is pregnant, does this somehow put her into the "good" category and liable to be swiped by the Others for reals??

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, this Henry guy is one mean (or stupid) fucker.

Good cliffhanger, of sorts.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

sawyer reading judy blume was an inspired touch. that was a weird one. and, as always, the preview just makes me salivate for next week. it's pavlovian. i'm already over this episode.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

I am not convinced it is Jin's baby.

― super yooper (waah christ dere eh pard?) (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe. That would be awful easy. It would be more interesting to me if this were the beginning of a very positive (and therefore anamolous) story arc for two of the survivors.

Two more episodes in a row before they screw us over again.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

(FAKE) BEARDY: What the hell happened? You were supposed to make the list and then bring her in. Was I unclear?
ETHAN: It's not my fault! They knew I wasn't on the plane. They had a manifest.

(FAKE) BEARDY: What am I supposed to tell him? You know what he's going to do when he finds out. Damn it, Ethan.

I'm starting to think that "Henry Gale" is the "he" that Beardy is referring to in this scene.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

no, it's that alvar hanso guy!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, it's a beaurocracy!

Apparently the "Widmore Labs" thing is a big deal down the line.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

What makes you think that, Matthew? I actually quite like the idea, although I don't know why.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

xpost, that was

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

Episode quality is inversely proportional to amt. of screaming & hollering in the script. This was a really good one.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

Well, there aren't quite clues that make me think that he's the guy so much as that it makes some sense in terms of story momentum and how fucking evil they make him out to be. Also, I kind of like the idea of one of the top brass in this experiment getting captured by his guinea pigs, and then turning his skills and knowledge of them against them. I really would prefer it if he was legitimately captured rather than sent out for the express purpose of running them through this scenario as an experiment. I think we've been led along to think that if he's an Other, he's an underling, and I have the feeling that it's very much not the case.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

I still can't quite decide where I come down on him. He probably is an Other, but if we go along with the "people under stressful situations don't do normal things," I still think it's entirely possible that he's just a mean wise-ass. I would never think to say what he did in his little closing speech, but I can totally imagine thinking it.

The way he prods them, though - "if I were you I'd be asking a lot of questions." But who would they ask? I definitely expect him to reveal some of those answers soon, probably in some ambiguous way like "finding" something partially explanatory in the hatch.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

Okay I am BRAND NEW to Lost--I just got the first season DVDs in from Netflix today, but I do have the vaguest inkling of what's currently going on and I think the "incident" referred to in the Orientation video is Rousseau and her crew stumbling upon the island. AND THEN THEY KILLED THEM ALL AND TOOK HER BABY.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 23 March 2006 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

I would pay good money to never hear Claire say "moy baybee" ever again. Maybe she could be struck mute as a result of the experiments on her.

― My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Thursday, 23 March 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha

Yeah, this episode was good! And some funny stuff, like the Sawyer reading Judy Blume and Anna Lucia's line about "Jack and Locke are too busy worrying about Locke and Jack", plus Charlie's quip to Anna Lucia re: Sayid, "He doesn't have much of a sense of humour (pause) but then look who I'm talking to." The Crunchy Dharma O's were a nice touch as well.

Jin and Sun are awesome.

But yeah,
IT IS AN ISLAND OF MIRACLES YES WE UNDERSTAND

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 23 March 2006 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

so, what was up with this exchange

Anna Lucia to Jack: "I'm going to wait a day ... that is, if I have your PERMISSION"
Jack: "Look, I didn't tell anyone ... "

? couldn't remember what backstory this was referring to

or are we not supposed to know yet

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

henry gale's speech at the end was great

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

Sayid and Ana Lucia are totally going to be fucking by the middle of next season. He is such a pimp.

What were Sayid and Charlie building anyway, a fucking STAGE? Are they gonna have an ISLAND IDOL competition? I bet Sawyer can sing, although he would be better suited to the quippy Simon Cowell role.

I hear they're doing a Rose/Bernard flashback in the tail-end (haw haw) of this season.

― nklshs, Thursday, 23 March 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I'm starting to think that (re: Henry Gail)...

A) they will find his balloon & wife corpse
B) he isn't with the "Others" aka fake-beardy Waltnappers et al
C) is actually a mole for some other organization of other "Others" who are more of a threat than the "Others"
D) they won't figure it all out until it's TOO LATE
E) they are eventually forced to make an alliance with fake-beardy "Others" when they realized the TRUE threat

― nklshs, Thursday, 23 March 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

So when is Guybrush Threepwood showing up?

― Snobbo (Øystein), Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

I also liked how The Seeds "Pushing Too Hard" was playing during Jack and Locke's bickering

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 23 March 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be pretty satisfied if what nklshs says plays out. I just really hope that they don't wuss out and make Henry something other than a villain, because he's a damn fantastic villain.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 23 March 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what happens when he and Sawyer bump heads.

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 23 March 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

A) they will find his balloon & wife corpse

A theory: they'll find the balloon and his dead wife. Suspicions will be allayed until......they also find the balloonists body!

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 23 March 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

just a guess... but what if they used michael's sperm to impregnate sun? it would ease any complications the others might have about entitlement to parenthood of the child if they used someone else's. this could have been done when she was knocked out, right? it also gives jin yet another instance to want to kill michael.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 24 March 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, what show have you been watching?

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

LOL

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 24 March 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

how does that not make sense? Maybe I'm misremembering something (I've slept 9 hours in the last 4 days :). How long was Sun missing when she was hit over the head in the second or third most recent episode? Michael could have been caught by the Others. So....? Maybe it's more farfetched than I think.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 24 March 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

i'm into that theory, firstworldman.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 24 March 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

not necessarily michael's sperm, but someone's.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 24 March 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

mine.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 24 March 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

Sun was taken by CHARLIE, you fool. (And only a few days ago, maybe a week, in island time.)

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 24 March 2006 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't the implication that Sun was sleeping with the dude who was teaching her English?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 March 2006 07:58 (nineteen years ago)

they sowed that seed somewhat but it's very very very possibly total 'you fell for that?' played on the audience. call me corny but i don't see sun cheating on jin. that late-hug concern look was something though though it could've just been 'exactly how the fuck am i pregnant?' or even just 'o shit i'm pregnant on a deserted isle'. and didn't sun say something about like they've all got sins/crimes in their past and that's why they on the island? i can't seen sun's guilt being tied solely into 'she thought about leaving her husband'. i was glad that they let jin not be a complete dick about it, dude hasn't had enough sympathetic scenes that i've seen really. perpetua one thing that occurred to me (that probably 'no, duh' to everyoe else already) earlier tonight talking about lost and thinking about it's comic connex/influences was that it's TOTALLY a decompressed comic. if the seasons progress at the same island-time rate that they have and it only runs for the rumoured five or even say seven seasons (which would really be something for a show like this) we won't actually see sun having that baby right?

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 24 March 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

You just made a guaranteed argument for why Sun's actually not pregnant or will lose the baby somehow. It'd be cool if they did some kind of sci-fi alien baby rapid gestation thing though. Didn't that happen to some Marvel character within the last few years?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 24 March 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

There's no reason why they shouldn't speed up island-time though

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 24 March 2006 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

The Marvel character you're thinking of is Jessica Jones, I think.

No, they should never speed up island time! I really love the fact that the show is quite fast paced, only it doesn't seem that way cos we're watching them weeks apart. (Blount is correct about the decompressed comic analogy - it's like how if you read Bendis' Daredevil or The Ultimates in trades, it's like zooooooom, but they can sort of drive you nuts if you have to wait and wait for an installment where only one bit of plot advancement is doled out.) When I went through season 1 rapidly on dvd, it made much more narrative sense than watching them as they air, though watching as they air is a lot more satisfying to me because I appreciate the anticipation and speculation.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 March 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

yeah obv they can do that and they maybe will (if only cuz they're gonna have to deal with a walt growth spurt somehow) but i was kinda struck when i saw this episode (like the third i've seen this season - i saw sayid torturing that scary dude and a bit of the 'claire remembers'/'rosseau's alright' one) when ana-lucia (who i 'met' this episode and like just fine and get why sayid and charlie (WHO SHOULD NEVER BE BROUGHT ON HIKES WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU FOLX) were being dix to her but still was like 'bacdafucup' and i don't quite get why 'everyone' hates her; she's bright enough to not buy into jack or locke which makes her one-up on most the castaways) and said something about having been in camp like two weeks (???), along with the 'we been here nearly a month now' stuff LATE in the first season, i giggled.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 24 March 2006 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

jessica jones had her baby normal but some cosmogirl or something was talking about having a decompressed hypergestating alien baby in another dimension or something during jj's delivery in the pulse.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 24 March 2006 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

I seriously get the impression that Ana Lucia's "everybody hates me" line was at least partially intended as a meta thing since a majority of fans seem to loathe her. I've always quite liked that character, though. The other part of it being that she's responsible for Shannon's death, she isolates herself from everyone else, and she doesn't have a very friendly demeanor.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing - why is Charlie always going on the hikes with people? Without fail, really!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 March 2006 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

my lost hike buddy rankings

kate>ana-lucia>sayid>adebisi (i know nothing about his character except it's very unlikely he's named 'adebisi' on this show too)>locke>the dog>sawyer>everyone else>charlie

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 24 March 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

i don't quite get why 'everyone' hates her

I am hard pressed to give comprehensive examples, given that we met her six months ago and she's probably had about two hours of screen time since then (which is a lot on Lost). Part of it was just natural reaction to her character, who demonstrated absolutely NO humor or positive qualities for the first month we saw her while simultaneous acting like a total dictator over a cast of terrified castaways (barring Eko). Part of it is the fact that this character seemed very similar to other things she's been in (Resident Evil, for me). And typecasting is one thing, but she seemed to have that same snarl on her face in every scene she'd ever been filmed in.

Now that Matthew mentions it, it will be interesting to see if we have that same reaction to her when watching the Season 2 DVDs. I still don't particularly care for her, but she definitely has potential to add interest. I just hope she comes to a bad end.

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 24 March 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

if sun's just now starting to get the symptoms isnt the timeline all wrong for any implication it's the bald guy's baby? maybe not, i flunked biology. (and i guess its also de riguer now to haze concrete looking events with meaningful long looks into the distance and keep the ambiguity bubbling innit.)

i assumed it indeed ws a mystery island miracle type scenario like locke walking again after the crash.

― rtcotm (mwah), Friday, 24 March 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the mysterious widmore preggo tests are actually CONTROLLED by RADIO to say etc etc

― rtcotm (mwah), Friday, 24 March 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

A lot of the reason I like Ana Lucia is that she represents a reaction to the situation that I think is incredibly realistic, but never really came up in the main group. I think she adds a lot to the group dynamic, and brings a lot of necessary conflict.

"Adebesi" is Mr. Eko, Blount.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 March 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

The island to the cast: "John Locke, your legs are HEALED! Jin Kwon, your wang is potent once again! Hurley....nah, we'll let you remain morbidly obese. Fuck you."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 March 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

oh they did such good things in this episode! i really thought it was going to be awful, even the acting seemed sketchy, in the first half hour. but the Jin/Sun human drama actually got so interesting and touching by the end! also, AL apologized to Sayid, which completely took me by surprise.

Charlie also is completely underrated. so much better now that he's not hanging out with Claire - those two together were pretty much the black hole of the show. now he's snarky with an edge, which is a lot better than acting like a petulant 4 year old, as he did for much of the past season and a half.

and yeah, the ending was totally great. especially because he called out Jack and Locke to their faces. they've been needing that.

― lemin (lemin), Friday, 24 March 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

the biggest argument against Sun being pregnant by the bald English teacher guy is -- if it's not Jin's baby, WHY would Sun ever tell Jin he was impotent. there was no reason for her to confess that if she had something to hide. unless she felt guilty about keeping the pregnancy secret and wanted to come clean 100%.

on the other hand, there is still a segment of Sun / Jin's flashback missing -- i.e. the reason that Sun was going to ditch out on the trip to L.A. with Jin. (To run away somewhere else with the English teacher guy? Were Sun and Jin going to America to run away from Sun's father when the plane crashed?)

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 24 March 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

If she conceived pre-crash, is it plausible that she would only start to feel nausea/lightheadedness after two months? I just think the island unkinked Jin's vas deferens the way it unkinked Locke's legs.

I really like that Rose and Bernard were squabbling, presumably the way they did before they were separated. Totally TRUE TO LIFE for middle-aged marrieds, he said knowingly.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Friday, 24 March 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

i.e. the reason that Sun was going to ditch out on the trip to L.A. with Jin. (To run away somewhere else with the English teacher guy? Were Sun and Jin going to America to run away from Sun's father when the plane crashed?)

I just realized that I don't understand this either. I had myself thinking that they were in Sydney on a honeymoon-type trip and that she planned to ditch him when he went back to Korea. But that can't be right because they were on a plane to America. All these scenes seem so long ago I can't really remember.

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 24 March 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

the only relevant detail I remember is that some guys (presumably Sun's father's henchmen) cornered Jin at the airport and said something like "you can't run, we know where you're going"

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 24 March 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Sun was never intending to ditch Jin in LA. She was supposed to ditch him in the airport at Sydney but she pussies out at the last moment cuz of the flower thing. Jin is the one who is planning on starting a "new life" from LA (where they are going for a "business trip" for Sun's pa) but he gets threated threated by a Sun's pa's henchman at the airport and then the planes falls aparts so who the fuck knows what they were gonna do once they got to the states.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Jin was supposed to deliver a gold watch to one of Sun's father's associates in LA -- the watch that Michael found that started the whole Jin/Michael fight. Jin wanted to try and start over with Sun in America, away from her father -- which she didn't know, making it the O. Henry twist to the fact that she was going to ditch him at Sydney Airport. But Bathroom Henchman told him that Sun's dad basically owned his ass.

x-postarama

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Jeez I don't remember that at all. Weird. Thanks!

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

I fucking hate this show for making me care about it. It's getting worse by the episode, the dialogue's getting harder not to laugh through, and the selective removal of logic is approaching unwatchable.

I am so weak.

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

I thought this weeks episode was a really good one btw, but a lot of the time I feel EXACTLY like Don.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, we're all Dharma test subjects. Go into the hatch every 167 hours and hit the button on the remote.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

every 168 hrs, obv.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Friday, 24 March 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

the show violates the art of storytelling in so many ways...the writers and producers clearly have no idea where anything is going and apparently the audience doesn't care. Every week, more "wrinkles" are introduced into the plot and few are ever resolved. It's becoming a gigantic gordian knot, and the lack of payoff is becoming the show's hallmark. "Lost" promises but never delivers.

Meanwhile, the flashback scenarios are becoming less interesting and can't really serve to advance storylines much given that...the storylines are haphazard to begin with. Oh, and if something isn't logical...DON'T WORRY DUDES, WE'RE ON A FREAKY ISLAND. OR ARE WE? SCI-FI DOESN'T NEED EXPLANATIONS!!!!!

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Don't be a downer, Don. If it bothers you so much, go watch American Idol and leave us to our knots :)

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

or quite possibly 504 hours if they feel like having a bit of a haiatus

There was a big lingering closeup of the pregnancy test pack:

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There was a big sign in a flashback in an earlier episode for 'Widmore Construction'. Word on the street says this is going to be a big deal.

Widmore = subsidiary of Dharma, test intefered with, Sun not actually pregnant...?

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

I sort of assumed it was more Widmore/Dharma somehow controlled everything to get these people on the plane.

As Kate said, "Who travels with a pregnancy test?" I wonder if there will be an answer to that.

― Mitya (mitya), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

With his shirt off again in this episode, Sawyer looked totally like He-Man.

― Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

I was under the impression that Sawyer got the test from the hatch, not from the plane. Didn't he piss Jack off by taking a bunch of medicine from there?

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't get why people feel like the writers don't know where this is going when this whole Dharma thing seems rather carefully plotted out to me. It only seems arbitrary if you're only sorta paying attention.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

They don't play up Jin's having been a hit man enough! He should totally be in the badass club with mr eko and girl fight.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

and sayid of course

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

Matthew: i think it's because saying that "Lost" is lost is the cool hip thing for people to say when they realized that their little cult hit favorite had become a huge commercial hit. Many of these people are former Buffy and X-Files fans who still harbor grudges.

I am not necessarily talking about don weiner here, more of a general observation.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

I think a lot of the appeal of the show for me is that I enjoy the way they take advantage of the serial medium, they really have a good handle on doling out the mysteries and reveals. I can't fathom why anyone would want them to blow their load all in one go. It misses the point of the show entirely!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, don't you think Jin doesn't want the other people to be aware of his past as an enforcer?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

True, I don't not think that Jin doesn't want other people to be aware of his past as an enforcer.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

I never watched one second of Buffy or X-Files. Not. One. I don't harbor grudges, except for the fact that this series flattened. It's not getting better. It's staying the same. It's not leading anywhere, and it can't because every fork in the road leads to more forks. It's a puzzle to infinity. Not only that, but it wasn't ever even a cult favorite.

The reason I think the writers don't have a master plan is because J.J. basically said as much last year. There are many undeveloped or largely unexplored plotlines (Dharma, for example) which leave many options open. And yet the series seems rather preoccupied with presenting new twists each week, often at the expense of leaving strings dangling elsewhere.

And so now we are handed another pregnancy to deal with, the oldest serial drama trick in the book. That one was a kick in the balls, but one that barely caused me to flinch because I'm rapidly losing my empathy for this series.

Honestly, I think the premise is good enough that the show could prosper with a new cast each season. I wish everyone would either die or escape at the end of each season, and then have a new group of survivors the following fall.

― don weiner (don weiner), Saturday, 25 March 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

the writers don't have a master plan is because J.J. basically said as much last year.

So, out of curiosity, why are you listening to the guy who doesn't even write the show? Listen to Lindelof. He's the brains of the operation.

You're out of your mind if you think the Dharma thing is "unexplored." The Dharma thing is this ENTIRE SEASON. Basically, in the next six or seven episodes, they are going to let us know the deal with the hatch, reveal the reasons for the crash, tell us what's been happening with Michael and Walt, and give us a lot more info about the Dharma Initiative. I mean, that's not nothing!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 25 March 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

I just shudder to think about how horrible some shows would be in the hands of their harshest critics.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 25 March 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

So, out of curiosity, why are you listening to the guy who doesn't even write the show?

Are you saying that Abrams has no influence on the writing (never mind that he's credited with the first two episodes)? Sorry, but Abrams juice in Hollywood is approximately a million times hotter than Lindelof. The show doesn't exist without him. Arguably, it's because of Abrams that the show is so character driven instead of going full-on Matrix with the plot.

Basically, in the next six or seven episodes, they are going to let us know the deal with the hatch, reveal the reasons for the crash, tell us what's been happening with Michael and Walt, and give us a lot more info about the Dharma Initiative. I mean, that's not nothing!

I should know this from watching the show? I should just trust the writing to sew up all the loose ends? I am. And if the season wraps up much better than the way it did last season, I'll recognize the divine planning and execution. I'll forgive them for ignoring the lapses of logic and confusing portraits of humaity. I'll come back for more. But thus far, the series has been making so many promises and setting up so many expectations that I really am preparing myself for something as horrible as last year's finale.

― don weiner (don weiner), Saturday, 25 March 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

nothing actually happened in last year's finale, did it? all dynamite and mirrors.

― tom west (thomp), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Classic or Dud: People who are utterly obsessed with shows they claim to hate.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Saturday, 25 March 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

if alias is any indication I hope abrams doesn't have that much influence on the direction of the show because he clearly doesn't mind completely losing the plot

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 25 March 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

"nothing actually happened in last year's finale, did it?"

they finally blew open the hatch and stood staring into a gaping mysterious hole? pretty good cliffhanger if you ask me. and the first show of season 2 was great.

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 25 March 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

That and the raft blowing up. Walt kidnapped - Sawyer, Jin + Michael left for dead? Quite a lot happened!

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Saturday, 25 March 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

Dud.

As far as what I have been reading, Abrams has said repeatedly that he has had relatively little to do with the show this year, since HE'S BEEN FILMING A FEATURE, not to mention whatever involvement he's had with the final season of Alias. The fact that someone is "hot" in Hollywood will in reality have relatively little to do with the actual writing of individual episodes.

Haikunym said he wasn't speaking about you personally, so don't take it that way and get mad at us for liking a show you're disappointed with. Yeesh.

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 25 March 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't think Sun was sleeping with the bald English teacher.

I actually think Don W. is OTM about some of this stuff (except for Abrahms' role on the show - he hasn't even been vetting "Lost" scripts this season, and has, in addition to M:I:3, a new GODAWFUL drama about to debut called "What About Brian" that he's more hands-on with) - and I LOVE this show. But they have left A LOT of strings hanging. And it doesn't help the argument that everything is carefully plotted out when they are wasting precious B-Story minutes on Sawyer chasing a frog that's annoying him, etc.

And though I'm intrigued by the Widmore/Dharma stuff, the prospect is frankly a little exhausting... there's MORE global-corporations-tied-to-scientific-experiments stuff to factor in?

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 25 March 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

My point about Abrams was specific: he said last year that they had no idea where the show was going, my comments were based on that and refer to those comments as a premise. And those comments have become a self-fulfilling prophecy whether he vets scripts or not.

I'm not mad at anyone for liking a show that has disappointed me, especially given that I still watch it. But I certainly do not see the show as a sacred cow nor do I see my comments on this thread as hyper-critical or nitpicky or even unwarranted.

― don weiner (don weiner), Saturday, 25 March 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

Though Abrams was inititially quite involved with the project, it has in fact become Lindelof's show, and Carlton Cuse is the right hand man. And god bless, because Lindelof is way more talented than Abrams. And just because Abrams says that he didn't know where it was going (which could be bullshit easily, and also it depends GREATLY on WHEN he was asked, doesn't it? The show's longterm survival was not always a given), doesn't meant that Lindelof didn't have a plan from the start, and by all accounts, he did.

I'm sort of curious about what some people want the show to be other than a crazy genre-fiction meltdown with a mystery that grows in scope with each season. Would you rather it be some retarded Survivor bullshit?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 26 March 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

-- Matthew C Perpetua (perpetu...), March 25th, 2006 7:45 PM. (inca) (later) (link)

The answer to that question is yes, yes indeed.

-- don weiner (dandydonweine...), March 24th, 2006 9:08 PM. (don weiner) (later) (link)

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 26 March 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

Don OTM, but I broke my bonds. I quit watching right about the new year when every last little bit of enjoyment had been sucked out of the show by interminable pacing, bad acting and dialogue, and the illogical and arbitrary plotting/movement.

I don't know how Buffy comes into this - Buffy never got dragged down into labrynthine plots or anything. It just kinda lost its focus when they graduated from high school.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 26 March 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

Only just caught up with this. Things that annoyed me this week:

1) All the time sayid and girlfighter and charlie were heading off into the woods, I was thinking "hold on, there's no way that at least one of them wouldn't stop to think that this was potentially a trap, why aren't they being more careful?". Then it turned out the reason they weren't was so that the end of episode twist could be "BUT IT MIGHT BE A TRAP!". Fucking durrrr. So weak.

2) Charlie knows about the guy in the hatch? How? Why? Honest answer is probably "just so we can get him to go along on the little trek", which will presumably turn out to be necessary for some other arbitrary reason.

3) When Charlie says to girlfighter "last time you had a gun you murdered somebody", there was nobody there to say "SO DID YOU!" (to be fair, GF didn't know this, and sayid wouldn't have said it, but it meant I had to shout at the telly in vain).

I'm kind of with Don, the show is getting worse and worse in terms of character continuity and plot consistency, but it's still fun enough to be watchable. The "if you don't like it as much as you used to, why don't you stop watching?" arguments are pretty daft, it's possible for it to have got worse yet still be good. It was just *very* good, to begin with.

Anyway. That bit of backwards sawyer/bernard talking which we got when jin was failing to understand english, has anyone reversed that yet? Cos I bet they're saying something fun. I'll give it a go now.

― JimD (JimD), Sunday, 26 March 2006 08:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, backwards talking wasn't very interesting after all. It went:

Bernard: Well, how do you know?
Sawyer: Well, I got my sources.
B: Well aren't you gonna tell him that?
S: Not my place.
B: Well, you should tell him!
S: Hell no! Let Sunhine tell him!

― JimD (JimD), Sunday, 26 March 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and also annoying: Jin's been generally a nice guy for the last however long, it's been ages since he was last shitty with Sun. But then at the beginning of this week's episode, he's suddenly all iron fist and crazy again. Why? Just because the story arc for this week required a bad-jin-turns-into-good-jin-AGAIN situaton, and we couldn't have had that without him being bad to start with, so bingo, he arbitrarily becomes a meanie again.

I guess this is the primary source of my frustration with lost these days...characters doing out-of-character things for the sake of plot.

― JimD (JimD), Sunday, 26 March 2006 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

This season has only covered about a week so far, so it wasn't that long ago (in island time) that he was 'bad-Jin'.

Plus, he might have gone about it the wrong way, but he was trying to protect Sun - understandable since he thinks The Others tried to snatch her a couple of days ago.

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Sunday, 26 March 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

All I want are a few solid answers once in awhile to distract me from the mediocre acting performances and the now time-wasting flashbacks. All the plot twists are great, assuming that there is payoff at some point. And lately what has started to bother me is a lack of script concern for the obvious--survival issues and invariable conflict that arises with them, why only a handful of cast members get to use the shower in the hatch or even enter the hatch, no one's afraid of polar bears in the woods anymore, no one wants to go back to the other hatch, etc.

― don weiner (don weiner), Sunday, 26 March 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

All the time sayid and girlfighter and charlie were heading off into the woods, I was thinking "hold on, there's no way that at least one of them wouldn't stop to think that this was potentially a trap, why aren't they being more careful?". Then it turned out the reason they weren't was so that the end of episode twist could be "BUT IT MIGHT BE A TRAP!". Fucking durrrr. So weak.

For once, this is where I can agree with Matthew's "people stranded on an island (re)act in weird ways." The thought that Henry might be sending them into a trap honestly never occurred to me until he said so at the end of the episode. I assumed they'd either find the balloon or not, but that's about it.

I actually agree with Don in terms of the "lack of script concern for the obvious," although I write a lot of that off to having so multiple characters and only a hour every three weeks. (Did they completely abandon the little oasis in the jungle?) One could point out that there are what, 20 or 30 people who we haven't even been introduced to. (You can also always use them to answer a lot of questions, eg., most of the survivors are too afraid to leave the beach and therefore don't go into the woods, to the hatch, etc.

Whatever. I think you can come up with as many explanations to justify why/how the series is written as you can for its narrative mysteries.

― Mitya (mitya), Sunday, 26 March 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

9 minutes east-coaster Americanners! Blast doors...still retracted.

― henry gail, Thursday, 30 March 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

Let's all try to bust Sayid staring at sleepyhead Ana Lucia's cleavage again.

― iraqi sex machine, Thursday, 30 March 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

he is a total hound

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

All together now: Sa-yid! Sa-yid! Sa-yid!

Reasonably good episode, although one gets the sense that those hoodlums caused Locke's paralysis, leaving me with the feeling that there wasn't real closure to his flashback.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

so like is locke's dad the 'real sawyer' or does everyone know this already?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I love Sayid.

I kept hoping that John would get hit in the back by a low-flying plane, thus explaining the original reason why he lost his legs.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

no shit
xpost

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

i think we're all suspecting that, but do we have any real proof?

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

err, xxpost

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

Well, John's whole thing from "The Hunting Party" when he's grilling him about why he would call himself Sawyer would kinda be the tip-off.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

WELL LOOK I HAVEN'T SEEN EVERY EPISODE OK

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

kate was looking to get FUCKED btw

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

A pointer certainly, but we haven't heard anything to prove it yet, have we? Was John's dad named Sawyer or seomthing?

So, at the risk of sounding dim, is there any vaguely reasonable chance that "Henry Gale" is not an Other?

And does Locke feel bound by his commitment to "protect" him? It seems like he would: exactly his kind of bad decision.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

What will Locke find at the "?" in the middle of the what-the-fuck-ever-which-is-probably-a-map?:

a. the radio tower
b. Helen
c. "Helen"
d. another hatch

― black henry gale, Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

And was the not-black Henry Gale somehow responsible for the lockdown?

― great episode, Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

Was Locke listening to Herbie Hancock?

― so many questions, Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe the hatch computer hates yazz.

― sawyer called hurley "mutton chop", Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

I actually thought Locke was listening to "Compared to What."

How could Not-Black have anything to do with the lockdown -- he was locked into his cell, remember? But he almost certainly opened the doors again.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

And was the not-black Henry Gale somehow responsible for the lockdown?

No, I imagine it had something to do with the food drop they found at the end. I wonder if the food is drugged, and Hurley is going to stuff his face full of Dharma Mac & Acid® ("It's the El-Ess-DEEZIEST!") next week.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

haha i was about to ask if they've had the obligatory desert island 'dude looks at other dude's head only he sees a hamburger' scene yet.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, that dovetails nicely with the recurring plot point with Hurley sneaking food in the jungle. He's getting crazy off the Dharma Sauce!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'd hallucinate too if I was doing ranch dressing a gallon at a time.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 30 March 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

Not just a gallon of ranch dressing - it's a gallon of ranch dressing that's been out in the heat for days!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

a-ha

dig those radicals

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

i can't wait for the hi-def screenshot.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Thursday, 30 March 2006 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

"P.R. Disney Units" haha

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 30 March 2006 05:39 (nineteen years ago)

Man that map thing is exactly the sort of thing I'm a sucker for.

I keep getting more and more convinced that the island is primarily an experiment in morality. It might not actually be purgatory, but it might be a kind of man-made purgatory.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 30 March 2006 06:23 (nineteen years ago)

So what the hell is Cerberus?

― strophic (strophic), Thursday, 30 March 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

f'in a. image gone.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Thursday, 30 March 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

DIMG = Dharma Initiative Monitoring Group?

All kinds of fun with that Latin.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Thursday, 30 March 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Spoilerish speculation:

http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/2006/03/dress-up-henry-gale.html

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Thursday, 30 March 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

xpost yeah I was about to translate a couple of those, nothing particularly interesting yet

Malum consilium quod mutari non potest - A bad plan that cannot be changed

Cogito ergo doleo - I think, therefore I suffer

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

ok, this one is a little more like a real clue

"Sursum corda" is from the Latin Mass

"Lift up your hearts"
"Lift up your hearts"
"Lift up your hearts"

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse - I think we're on the same wavelength
Aegrescit medendo - The remedy is worse than the disease
Hic sunt dracones - Here be dragons
Ut sit magna, tamen certe lenta ira deorum est - The wrath of the gods may be great, but it certainly is slow

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

wo ist der torrentz!? :(

Mininova are letting me down.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 30 March 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

(ooh, it's ok, pirate bay have saved me, Raa)

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 30 March 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder who made the map

I wonder if Henry Gale signaled for the food drop

I wonder what the numbers on the macaroni box (which were not "the numbers") meant .... that was an awfully long close-up

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder why the hell the blast doors went down apparently in connection with the food drop.

some electromagnetic radiation thing that might affect a plane's navigation systems?

― baby, disco is wild speculation (yournullfame), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

or maybe to make sure that whoever is in the hatch does not get to see where the food really comes from ... that would be like catching a glimpse of whoever is pulling the strings ...

here's a crazy annotated hatch map with more details and translations

http://www.thehatchonline.com/images/dharmadoor.jpg

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

or maybe to make sure that whoever is in the hatch does not get to see where the food really comes from ...

Yeah, that's my guess.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Most of this episode was boring, but it was all worth just for the closing where both me and my g/f turned to eachother and said "Oooooooh BUSTED"!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

This was very intersting from the annotated map above:

"known final resting place of magnus hanso/black rock"

― Lost Lurker, Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

"stated goal: accelerated de-territorialization of polar bears through gene therapy and extreme climate change"

haha

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

or maybe to make sure that whoever is in the hatch does not get to see where the food really comes from ...

alright, but why? maybe a truck pulls up, they push it off the back and then throw the parachute on top to confuse matters?

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Thursday, 30 March 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

somethin like that

maybe the big question mark in the middle of the map is where the Other Others hang out and watch their human ant farm

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

no one else seemed to see the plane, which, y'know, it's not that big of an island. So, um, WONDER WOMAN!!!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

if a plane really flew over to drop food, it seems like anyone not in the hatch would be going fuckin' bonkers and building signal fires and such

xpost!

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

in the teaser for next week, doesn't Not-Gale yell "he'll kill me" or something? would this be the same "he" that Not-Beardy mentioned to Ethan when Ethan had Claire down in the nursery?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

alvar hanso's cryogenic head/penis?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

I think HE is BEARDY/NO-BEARDY

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

No, it was Beardy/No Beardy who referenced "He" when talking to Ethan Cruise, right?

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Re: those .jpgs of the Black Light Map, how the fuck can people read ANYTHING on there?

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Super nerd vision

― Holy makkara, Toivo! (OutDatWay), Thursday, 30 March 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

The possibility that the lockdown was to keep the hatchite from seeing the source of the provisions makes the map seem that much more of a planted piece of information...no more than a way to REALLY fuck with the hatchite. I wonder if Desmond saw it?

― hatchites on ice, Thursday, 30 March 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

my guess is Desmond made it

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 30 March 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah also I think either Desmond or the guy that was there before him made it.

I hope they don't just let it slide as "some thing that Locke saw that one time" but instead actually, like, pull those UV lights out of the wall and hook them up to a battery or something. It's kind've dumb how a whole bunch of really obviously important clues to the island like this are scattered throughout the brains of various characters seemingly just because it never occurred to them to tell other people about it. I mean, I know it makes sense because in terms of keeping the plot interesting and keeping the writers' jobs easier and stuff, but it's so frustrating too!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 30 March 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

okay that wasn't very coherent

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 30 March 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

I hope they don't just let it slide as "some thing that Locke saw that one time"

you mean like what they did when kate found the costumes for the others? she didn't mention it to fucking anyone.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 30 March 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

"either Desmond or the guy that was there before him"

coulda been both of them working on it, they were in there together before the first dude died

"just because it never occurred to them to tell other people"

the only other explanation is that they don't trust each other with any info

but yeah I mainly agree with th rant, I don't think Kate is staying tight-lipped on the fake beard glue because she thinks it's her trump card

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

trump card for what? is she going to pull off someone's beard in a dramatic turn?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 30 March 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha Evangeline Lilly is smart not to talk then. That little move could win her an Emmy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 March 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

Well, in fairness to Kate, I'm not sure if it occurred to her that the costumes were FOR the Others, so much as there were costume supplies around. Maybe she thought that maybe the did some theatre in that hospital on the weekends or something.

xpost I dearly dearly hope that Kate tears off that dude's beard dramatically at the end of the season! SERIOUSLY! Why not have a Scooby Doo moment?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

she was KIDNAPPED by them. she was standing right next to beardo/not beardo. isn't she smart enough to put this all together?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

haha guess I was not the clearest

what cutty wrote is what I meant, in some instances there might be reasons they are keep secrets but for Kate it doesn't make sense

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Oh come on she's SEEN the Sea Captain! She's had a gun pointed at her head by the Sea Captain! She's seen what the Other's wear! There is no way she cannot put 2 and 2 together and get 4. She's not as dumb as Locke or anything like that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe the Other dudes were just super-convincing and it never occurred to Kate that it could possibly be real. Maybe Kate didn't think that the abandoned hospital hatch had a connection to her beardy captors. Maybe she's just kinda dim.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Haha that's REALLY dim.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I'm sorta okay with them all being kinda dumb. There's so many tv shows jam-packed full of super intelligent people that it's kinda refreshing that the majority of the people on Lost are of painfully average intelligence.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

I mean she knows that Beardy is an "Other". She knows that Ethan was an "Other". And she knows that Ethan took Claire to this abandoned hospital hatch. I find it hard to believe that's a link than ANYONE would have trouble making.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna be mad if Ashton Kutcher's behind this WHOLE thing!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

At least the writers allow for some selfawareness in the form of "Henry" calling them on their bizarre lack of intellectual curiosity about their predicament.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

I posted about this up above, Matthew. Who is there to ask? THe whole place is a mass of "I don't knows."

my guess is Desmond made it

Check the spelling and language -- is it US standard or do we have any Commonwealth-isms (eg., "colour")

instead actually, like, pull those UV lights out of the wall and hook them up to a battery or something

Unless I'm mistaken, this is the first time those doors came down. And therefore they neither know why nor how to make them come down again. (Although presumably NBHG some idea.)

Unless they completely ignore the people in the hatch during the next episode, my guess is that a fair amount should come out next week. All the key players are down there except Sawyer, right?

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Thursday, 30 March 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's the other sensible thing - no one knows anything, and a lot of things wouldn't make sense in context.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

"And therefore they neither know why nor how to make them come down again"

yep, I think the map is printed on the blast door that went back up into the wall

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 31 March 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

whoa, I just watched it - it freaked me out! Flashing lights, blast doors, Locke getting impaled, blast doors with black-light dharma initiative maps on them, Henry Gale and his general freakiness, creepy flashback, mystery food package, Henry Gale Is Not Henry Gale! Anyway, what I mean is a lot of things happened and it's episodes like this that make me tune in next week even though next week won't be as exciting. ah well.

I knew Sayid was going to dig up that grave. He's the man oh yes he is.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 31 March 2006 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

I really, really like watching that low-rent Kevin Spacey Not-Henry Gale guy. I mean he is such a fantastic, creepy joy to watch. He just totally steals every little scene. HATS OFF, SIR.

― Clay (cws), Friday, 31 March 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

i find him to be more paul rubens-esque than kevin spacey-ish.

― shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Friday, 31 March 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get ILX's Sayid fetish - sorry, but that guy's a total jackass. I mean how'd you like him for a roommate? Dude would be cutting your ear off for eating the last brownie. Fuck him.

― darin (darin), Friday, 31 March 2006 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well well well

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:59 (nineteen years ago)

give him a break his girlfriend got whacked (xpost)

loved last night's episode so much - Eko seemed to be the only main character who didn't appear at all.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

alvar hanso's cryogenic head/penis?

i just got a mental flash of the two sewn together and floating in a tank 1950s sci-fi style. thanks.

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

Someone mentioned something upthread about how long they thought it had been since they opened the hatch (ie. how long this season has been in island time). I can't find it now, but how long was it? I've no idea, but the period they gave was v.low.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

I figure the second season has taken place over just 3 weeks so far, maybe less.

Considering how much they've discovered in that time, Gale was being a hit harsh re the 'asking more questions' thing!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 31 March 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

Honest HONEST answer is because Sayid told him:

[Back on the island we see Sayid sitting on the beach with Charlie.]

SAYID: There is a man down in the hatch. A stranger captured by Rousseau. I beat him. I beat him badly.

CHARLIE: Why are you telling me this, Sayid?

SAYID: Jack asked me how I knew -- knew for sure that this man was lying. How I knew for sure that he was one of them -- one of the Others. I know because I feel no guilt for what I did to him. But there is no way I can ever explain that to Jack, or even Locke, because both of them have forgotten.

CHARLIE: Forgotten? What?

SAYID: That you were strung up by your neck and left for dead. That Claire was taken and kept for days during which god only know what happened to her. That these people -- these Others -- are merciless, and can take any one of us whenever they choose. So tell me, Charlie, have you forgotten?

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 31 March 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think Charlie still has a 'rep' for the missions because he was the guy who shot Ethan. Perversely people may respect (out of fear) him at least a little for this so they tolerate his presence on the trips out into the jungle. Maybe.

I was a bit disappointed in the end that Sayid, Ana Lucia and Charlie DIDN'T end up in a trap set by Gale. And that he didn't escape. Is it all just his very own 'long con'?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 31 March 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

MORE EKO MORE EKO MORE EKO NOW PLEASE YES

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Friday, 31 March 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

haha i woulda written "i think therefore i am depressed" on that door too

― rtcotm (mwah), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Eko seemed to be the only main character who didn't appear at all.

but where has michael been lately? did he go off in the jungle again and i forgot about it?

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

yeah they have definitely left the michael/walt axis rest wayyy too long now - long enough that only some sort of 'michael returns: ON THE DARK SIDE' thing can be on its way

― rtcotm (mwah), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Michael and Walt will be back in a few episodes, the last few before the season finale. I think they've been smart about it - in the context of the Lost timeline, Michael has only been gone for a few days, less than a week. He has to be gone for a little while for his return to be super dramatic.

I think one of the unfortunate effects of watching the show week to week, and with the numerous breaks is that it's easy for the audience to lose track of the show's timeline. If you just make a list of this season's episodes, the pacing is actually quite brisk and there's an obvious form to the season's overall plotline that doesn't really come through when you're watching it in stops and starts.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

isn't the season 2 duration on it's third week now? meaning Michael would've been gone more than a week? If we're in the last quarter and the speed is as before, we're talking two months on the island by the end of this series no?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

or maybe not, it just feels like Michael has been gone for so much longer than he has.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

He's only been gone for six episodes!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

this happened with 24 as well. so much happening, so much movement and change - you just can't believe it really all took place within one day (still v entertaining tv tho).

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

According to this Lost timeline, it has been fifteen days from the opening of the hatch/kidnapping of Walt at the end of the first season up through the events of the most recent episode, "Lockdown."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, if you look at all the events going on in that timeline, some of the more ridiculous things that the characters do and do not do seems a little more understandable.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

more eko more eko

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 31 March 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

some of the more ridiculous things that the characters do and do not do seems a little more understandable

That't true, yeah. On the other hand, Sayid's pulling/loving/losing/greiving of Shannon all seems bizarrely compressed, especially now that he's giving AL the eye, only a fortnight later.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
but that's something that should naturally come out by watching the show week-to-week, you shouldn't have to make a damn list to figure that out. we shouldn't have to go that extra mile just to understand basic character motivations! it's yet another reason why the constant interruptions are ruining this show for me...

― something less threatening (heywood), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

On how many occasions, exactly, has someone said they wanted to go into the jungle, been told "no" you can't, and not went? Zero, I think. He was there, he wanted to go, he went.

I hardly think Sayid is giving AL the eye, especially in light of the way he shouted at her about going back to the beach just before Charlie found the balloon. That's not to say that people -- me included -- load virtually any one-on-one interaction between a male and female with sexual tension.

I was about to ask why no one took up (or took on) my theory about Not Black Henry Gale being a refugee Other. But that's okay. Now that I think about it, it seems much more likely that whatever's going on requires at least one Other to be "inside" the survivor group. And since these guys had already figured out who was who (and gotten rid of Godwin and Ethan), a desperate plan was necessary to sneak someone in.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

EW dissects the map:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1178388_3_0_,00.html

― schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 31 March 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

jeez i TOTALLY missed this one

"one of the homes he inspected belonged to Sayid's long-lost love, Nadia, the freedom fighter he secretly freed from the clutches of Saddam's regime, who was presumably in a witness-protection-like setup."

guess I need blinking, flashing lights to alert me to the reappearance of incidental characters

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 31 March 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Haha yeah me too. Fucking hell this show is complicated sometimes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 31 March 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

The map definitely was worked on when there was only one person in the hatch--you can tell from the "estimated travel time not compatible with 108. Do not attempt to survey." bit--he can't get there and back in time to reset the computer, so he can't go. It also may be a collaborative effort, worked on by everyone who found it. Which supports the theory that The Swan itself is an experiment and everyone who's ever been in there was not involved with Dharma.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Saturday, 1 April 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

I did catch the "108" bit but I figured there are hardly any places on the island you can get to in 54 minutes ... unless it is even smaller than I thought. (but aren't they always talking about "we couldn't get there before sundown" etc)

your last 2 sentences sound about right ... we don't know how the guy before desmond got in there ...

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 1 April 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

how was desmond NOT a part of dharma when he had the dharma logo on his jogging suit when he first met jack in the bleachers?

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 April 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

sheeit I missed some of the earlier revelations like that since I watched the first season on dvd ... wasn't checkin the internet because I didn't want to see spoilers

I just found out like last week that there was a dharma logo on the damn shark that attacked michael and sawyer

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 1 April 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

that was the beginning of this season!

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 April 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

I suffer the same problem (being a latecomer), although I have not avoided spoilers and am really only missing the first part of the second season now.

Anyway, if Desmond is involved with Dharma, it's more likely (to me, anyway) that the map is definitely fake. One of the notes on the map is listed as "rev. 4.2.02"--hadn't Desmond been in the hatch for two+ years?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Saturday, 1 April 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

haha i watched the first few episodes of season 2 on iTunes before I caught up ... cut me some slack here!

from here on out I will just assume that in the early episodes there was a dharma logo on everything and all numbers added up to 108

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 1 April 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

how was desmond NOT a part of dharma when he had the dharma logo on his jogging suit when he first met jack in the bleachers?

i prostrate myself before cutty's watchfulness. i did not know this rather important fact.

i still think it's possible that there are two "factions" out there somewhere, with say, Desmond being part of a group in an earlier project while someone else (maybe not even people on the island) "controls" everything (ie., the food drops). there's no reason to think that part of what's being studied is the interaction of the "new" people and the old ones.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Saturday, 1 April 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond gave the impression that he had not seen anyone else on the island apart from 'Calvin', his predecessor and hatchmate for a wee while. Which in turn suggests he didn't really know anything at all, other than that he had to keep pushing the button.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 1 April 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

which suggests he was lying.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 April 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

or he had just happened to have a dharma jogging suit he found at a thrift shop.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 1 April 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't his predecessor's name Kelvin?

I'm curious to see what the deal will be when we see Desmond again. Apparently he returns before the season finale.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 1 April 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

he was wearing a dharma tracksuit? there was a dharma logo on the fucking shark? what!!

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 1 April 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

i just watched that shit again and des was wearing a polo shirt all the way through, cutty i'm callin u out!

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

where's the 'what do u look like' thread, i better check cutty's not wearing a BEARD

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

anyway desmond knew enough to be frantically pocketing all the bottles of whatever he was injecting himself with with him, which is still something not at all alluded to in the hatch reel. his supposed kelvin/calvin buddy could still have told him about that later - but then his "race around the world" speech in the bleachers hardly seems innocuous now either.

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond put on the Dharma jacket straight after he heard the dynamite blow open the hatch.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

yeah ok but thats when he's in the hatch, not the bleachers! like i say i dont doubt des is in on something, or even just that his predecessor was, but he was always gonna be using dharma product whether he's innocent or not. same way fat man continues to eat the dharma ranch dressing.

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

that's what I thought, he was just wearing whatever was in the hatch's closets

the shark thing is real, though

this is a sucky screen capture but here it is

http://lostresearch.com/s2e02/logoonshark.jpg

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 1 April 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

wow, show really is fucking nuts sometimes. that thing on the wall...endless analysis. I agree with the props for the guy playing fake Henry Gale, he's just a brilliant character and is playing the part so well, absolutely agree he is stealing the show in the last few episodes, and it's great the way you find yourself sort of rooting for him then disliking him.

I was thinking maybe it's possible that fake Henry is someone who got booted out of the others gang, and is in dire need of somehow repatriating himself into the planecrash group? Hence he kills the Professor Clump Henry Gale.

Though if that were the case I'm not sure why he wouldn't just tell them this straight off.

The Kate not mentioning beardy thing is totally otm, though did she definitely see beardy's face, wasn't her head covered in a BURLAP SACK.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 1 April 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

i finally caught the movie Saw on cable, and henry gale has a humdinger of a part in that one. now i know he's evil.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 April 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit that guy is Henry Gale?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 2 April 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

the orderly who does the real killer's bidding? yeah, that was him. or his twin brother. jeezus, sorry for the saw spoiler if you haven't had the pleasure.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 April 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

As to the beard—Maybe we're supposed to assume that Kate and Claire told everyone about what they found in that other hatch. After all, Charlie knew that Kate saw a horse, but WE didn't get to see her go "Hey everyone! I saw a horse!"

It would be good to show them doing a bit more speculating, though. I mean, haven't these characters seen a lot of movies? Surely they have some theories.

Also, somebody should be making a still. Out of 40-odd people, there aren't any serious drinkers? Come ON. They ran out of nips a LONG time ago. I'd be leaving some mashed fruit out in the sun to see what happens.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 2 April 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

hi Beth! how was your trip? pretty weird about nikki sudden, huh? what with him staying at your house and all. we have to get together.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 April 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, that was off-topic.

I still love Lost!

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 April 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

these last two eps (16 & 17) were pretty great

sun & jins story (in the present) has been about the only thing that has made me feel emotional rather than just scared or excited

locke's flashbacks were quite sad, too

fake henry gale is good, too

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

i love positive rjg

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Scott! Trip was great! What happened to Nikki Sudden? Is he okay? He didn't fall down our horrible stairs did he? Bit out of things here.

Back on topic.

New LOST tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are they going to even WONDER about the food drop?
Maybe the plane was way up high so no one could hear or see it. No. Then they couldn't have been so accurate. It had to have been a special Dharma Stealth Plane.

Locke's flashback girlfriend is a meanie. Sheesh. It's only his fucking FATHER that he can't quite seem to wash his hands of.
I bet he didn't go to Australia for a walkabout at all. I bet he was following his father there.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

"What happened to Nikki Sudden?"

Um...

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think locke's girlfriend was too mean

she could have given him one last chance but she had given him a few last chances, already, and what he did was pretty foolish/dangerous

I quite enjoy being positive, now and then

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

oh.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone else think that we really haven't seen enough of the Locke-Katey Sagal flashbacks to justify that break-up? Not being conspiratorial, but it's been so long since we've seen any of that story, I more took it as fact than "understood." (If that makes any sense, which it probably doesn't.)

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

she was in previous ones where locke kept sitting outside his dad's house and it upset her and she made him choose between her and his dad

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

No, I remember that. It just seemed like she was much more comfortable with his father in this episode - bringing up his death, letting him go to the funeral, but then when confronted with the fact that he's not actually dead, her response isn't "He's not dead" it's "John, it's over." Given that she was willing to let him work through the death, you'd think she'd also let him work through the non-death.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

think you are wrong

there had been time, between this fback and the last, in which they had moved on, somewhat. dad's death meant more moving on and a more definite end so of course she was fine, etc. she wasn't confronted w/ the fact so much as the bad guys suggested it and locke lied about it and helped his bad dad after what he'd had happen before and what it had done to him--helping the bad dad's death-faking and to get the bad money he'd stolen from baddies wasn't working through the non-death v well

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

plus for all she knew, Locke was in on the faking from the start

Locke came off as v. gullible in that flashback .... cmon man, dad stole your kidney and you STILL want his approval?

― Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't the guy not his real Dad, too? Why is he even caring about him at all? Or did I miss something? Shit man, take the $200,000 and be happy!

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

MORE EKO MORE EKO MORE EKO NOW PLEASE YES

otm

― teh_kit!!1 has 5 friends (g-kit), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 06:50 (nineteen years ago)

who's flashback is it tonight? actually it might be more fun if i don't know. i have no idea about what tonight's episode entails. uh, there is an episode on tonight right?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

what I'm gathering is that Locke is gullible and ignorant in the past (and eventually paralyzed), but this all changes b/c of the "power" that the island brings to him...though he's made a few questionable decisions on the island, I think its all going to lead to something that will soldify his omnipotence

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

It's a huge and usually doomed effort to process a relationship with even garden-variety aggravating/loving parents—imagine if the parent purposefully played you! The girlfriend should have hung in there. Locke's a good guy, can't she TELL? Hasn't she watched LOST????

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

Tonight is Hurley/Libby, I think. And yes, it's new.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

but this all changes b/c of the "power" that the island brings to him

on the one hand yes ... but on the other hand he very easily lapses back into self-doubt and angry petulance when things don't go his way

(I don't specifically remember the episode but at some point Locke was all, "No! It's not supposed to happen like this!")

― Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

is it possible that "henry" is desmond's partner? the partner just disappeared one day, correct?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

died, I thought

if you mean "Kelvin" who dragged him into the hatch

― Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

on the one hand yes ... but on the other hand he very easily lapses back into self-doubt and angry petulance when things don't go his way
(I don't specifically remember the episode but at some point Locke was all, "No! It's not supposed to happen like this!")

-- Renard (drenard...), April 5th, 2006 1:38 PM. (Renard) (later) (link)

Yeah there are several moments where small setbacks send Locke into a little bit of a furor. I think as much as he wants to be a changed and better person on the island, he is mostly taking advantage of the situation to present himself as who he *wants* to be, I don't think he has "learned" anything from being on the island, and he might pay the price for that, depending on what the goal of the island really is.

That said he is easily one of my favorite characters on the show because when I was working a shitty job in a major retail chain, I knew a lot of people just like that.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Wake up sleepyheads. A new episode of Lost starts... in 15 minutes!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, Hurley. Catharsis is good. Throwing away food when you're stranded on a desert island isn't!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else think Cynthia Watros has had her lips botoxed or something since the start of the season?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, so the Henry Gale as refugee theory gains some creedence. Buyable, thus far. Who will the real "leader" turn out to be?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

Dave is so a hallucination.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that polaroid's gonna be the gotcha moment

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

More comeuppance for Sawyer! Hurray!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

jim just standing there laffing while hurley wails on sawyer is pretty clasic

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

One has to wonder where on last week's map Hurley's sightings of Dave (plus Shannon's of Walt) took place. I wonder if the same thing that manifests the smoke monster also manifests these hallucinations as well.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

Ah! Another question answered -- the cave has been abandoned. (Maybe I missed the discussion of that at some point.)

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://ochremedia.com/blog/media/mustardMan01.jpg

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

"The way I feel about you - that's real."

Gag!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

'you don't have to be crazy to get with hurley...but it helps!'

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 6 April 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

that was the best episode in a while

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

flirting with the st. elsewhere/buffy in the insane asylum stuff .... I guess they had to do this at some point, but I sure hope we don't wind up with half of the viewership thinking that they seriously want you to think this is what is going on

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 April 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, so if we don't get Libby's flashback SOON she's a Dharma mole. Did they investigate all the passengers beforehand? Picked people who had psychic/hallucinatory tendencies? Weird abilities? Jack's miracle cure of his wife, Walt's stuff, etc. Maybe Locke's "father" was Dharma. Maybe Claire's "fortuneteller" was Dharma.

I have a theory: the Others ARE the Dharma people, but Dharma went wrong ("the incidents" alluded to on the orientation movie) and their dicking around with psychic forces conjured some alien or supernatural thing that has them running scared. They're doing its ("his") bidding. Maybe it's making them hallucinate really scary shit, their worst fears. Maybe the the plane crash people, Rousseau and the Others will all eventually unite to overthrow "him."

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 April 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Both Locke and Claire exhibited tremendous loyalty in the face of bad odds—Claire didn't abort her baby even though the fortune-teller seemed to think it was the Antichrist or something, and Locke never turned away from his bad "father."

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 April 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Family Values!!!!!!!!!

Kate murdered to defend her mom even though her mom didn't want her to. Bad outcome.

Sawyer took revenge on the destroyer of his family! Bad outcome. (was the guy who fingered the wrong target Dharma?)

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Dharma is some weird Christian nature/nurture experiment that unwittingly summoned up SATAN. (Him)

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, I'll go to work now.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

i don't see why libby would be a dharma mole

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

him = magnus hanso

magnus = cryogenically frozen, needs a baby, or special child (walt) to enter their body and live again

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

Mango Hansun = Ra's Al Ghul!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

the two best parts of that episode both involved Henry-Not-Henry: Sayid schooling him with the note on the dollar bill, and Henry blowing up Locke's world by telling him about the button.

Henry-Not-Henry is my favorite character now, until they let Eko do something besides chop wood

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

him = magnus hanso might be otm (altho "him" could also be alvar hanso trying to resurrect his dead bro or father or whatever)

we already knew beardy wasn't "him" but according to Henry, beardy is a "nobody"

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I predict Locke forms some sort of new alliance with Nega-Henry because he can't take being second fiddle to Jack and is on some kind of vision quest for "truth" that maybe Nega-Henry/Others can provide.

― Holy makkara, Toivo! (OutDatWay), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still not 100% sure, but from what Henry was saying last night it seems like he is a garden variety Other like Ethan and not part of some heretofore unknown Other Others

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

I thought this episode was really, really bad (and I'm an apologist). Possibly the worst 'Lost' ep yet.

The "imaginary friend" shit was so brutally obvious from the first time Bruce Davison referred to "Dave" in the therapy session. I kept saying to my girlfriend as we watched: "They're trying to trick us into assuming this is going to be a "Beautiful Mind" thing, and then they're going to flip it somehow..." This device is as hackneyed as "it was all a dream" or something.

The Polaroid thing was cringeworthy, and Libby's dialogue made me want to stick pencils in my earholes.

Sawyer made it bearable for me with some of his choice lines ("Okay, Moonbeam - then we can sing 'Kumbaya' and do trust-falls"), but all in all, the Hurley as "this is all in Timmy Westphal's head" schtick was just dismal.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Is Eko building a chapel?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Also, the Dave is imaginary was obvious from his first actual scene, because, DUH, despite being a complete obnoxious a-hole, nobody was interacting with him on the b-ball court* besides Hurley, and also, he had the same speech patterns as Hurley, if a little more aggressive.

*I kinda hoped that the Lost-Makers WANTED us to think Dave was imaginary, and then pull out the polaroid and DAVE EXISTS!!! Which would have been a better and more enjoyable mindfuck.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) that was my guess .... apparently it's not a Starbucks

Libby's dialogue

yeah the whole "this is real" bit was pretty corny. I guess I didn't mind the "it's all in his head" angle since it seemed fairly self-contained to just this episode.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think Eko is building a chapel, yes. What else?

I think "Dave" fooled me because I was thinking he was the guy with the numbers. I completely forgot about Leonard.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

haha I forgot about one of the best lines -- when Leonard wins Connect Four, Dave goes, "Pretttty sneaky, Leonard."

(an '80s TV commercial, for you non-Americans, or non-Saturday morning cartoon watchers)

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

LOL i totally missed that

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think MariaD suggested, way up x-post, that Eko is building a church.
Which would be fitting.
Usually you build a church and THEN build a cemetery. Now it's reversed.
Science vs. nature kinda stuff. Plus, they need someplace to hang out and have meetings. Unfortunately, since there is no booze, they can't have AA meetings, which is what most churches are used for these days (apart from funerals and the occassional wedding).
Also way xpost, there was some enthusiasm for hot action between a fat guy and a thin girl (reversed would be even better).(But there aren't any fat girls)
I LOVED that scene on the cliff - probably because the guy who plays Hurley is so great in this role. He"s a terrific actor...I hope he survives "lost" career-wise.
Plus, I'm terrified of heights, and even if I was Libby I would have had to call Hurley from the edge of the cliff from the edge of the jungle. I can barely manage an escalator with glass sides. So I was impressed that ANYONE could possibly be comforting on that precipice.

I thought it was a good episode. Maybe I like obvious metaphors/connections.
The Henry Gale/Balloon/ Wizard of Oz books connection is delightful. I'm not sure how much this has been discussed - but in the original books, before you entered OZ you had to put on green tinted glasses. "Because Oz was so brilliant it would ruin your eyesight if your eyes weren't protected!" Something along those lines.
Just more metaphors, I guess: what you see is not necessarily real. But I really like the "shout-out" to Baum.
I think it was great to see a character dealing with obesity grapple with it, and I thought it was handled very sensitively.
I'll never get all of the references until i watch it in succession, which i can do, because Kevin just got TIVO! I still don't know how to handle all of the remotes.
Cable, x-box, TIVO - in two months. And a very big tv. To go with the accoutrements. I'm not in Kansas anymore.
My big problem is this:
Wednesday night is NOW:
Amazing Race followed by LOST! followed by Top Chef!
Even my twisted mind gets confused. They are programming me....they are programming me...

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Another insight from last night, Hurley's bad luck streak extends to well before his use of THE NUMBERS, from the sounds of the balcony accident.

Naveen Andrews of Lost, Ten Commandments, finds himself in L.A.
By Lynn Elber
SANTA MONICA, Calif. (AP) — Naveen Andrews is a few paces from a wind-swept beach, with nothing but a glass of water to sustain him.
But that water is sparkling and imported from Europe, Andrews is wearing a snappy black leather jacket and the coastline outside the restaurant in which he sits is part of a well-located stretch of Southern California.
Andrews, it turns out, isn’t Lost at all. The star of ABC’s hit drama about plane-crash survivors stranded on a mysterious island said he found himself when he came to Los Angeles.
“I never really felt like I had anywhere to call home because I didn’t feel, even though I was born in England, I didn’t think of London as home,” Andrews said.
Los Angeles is routinely bashed by outsiders, and some insiders, as freakishly overgrown urban sprawl with too many freeways and too little of a great city’s heart. Andrews sees it differently.
“It kind of has an element of rootlessness, and it attracts rootless people,” he said.
On this recent visit home from Lost, which films in Hawaii, Andrews took time to promote the ABC miniseries The Ten Commandments (9 to 11 p.m. EDT, Monday and Tuesday) in which he stars with Dougray Scott and Omar Sharif.
It was work that first brought Andrews to Los Angeles and love that kept him here. He and actress Barbara Hershey played opposite each other in the 1999 film Drowning on Dry Land, a road picture about a cab driver and the woman who takes him for a ride.
“We met, we ended up having a relationship and that’s why I stayed,” he said.
They’re still a couple, and he’s never had second thoughts about leaving his native England behind, Andrews said.
“It was bloody awful, to be honest,” he said. His Indian ancestry, he said, left him largely disenfranchised in a country that remains dominated by “small-minded” attitudes toward race and social class.
America “has its problems. But there’s a sense of possibility here. ... In England, the class system is about a thousand years old and it’s not going to change any time soon. You don’t feel that here.
“Here, it’s an economic class system ... But it doesn’t feel that you’re going to be trapped in it forever, like you do in England. You feel like you can break out of it,” said Andrews, who trades his English accent for a Middle Eastern one in Lost.
The actor, 37, candidly concedes that his behaviour contributed to his deep unhappiness.
“I’d basically, virtually, killed my career in England. I used to drink and do drugs and whatever, and in all fairness they (British producers) had to deal with that,” said Andrews, who gained attention with his role in 1996’s The English Patient.
He found he needed to be “somewhere else, a street that didn’t have a bloody pub on it,” Andrews said. “Over here, that kind of excessive drinking is frowned upon. It’s not good form to be walking around the streets drunk.”
Andrews said he embraced sobriety “easily and happily” at the same time he met Hershey.
Various projects followed, including 2004’s Bride & Prejudice (in which he took a dashing, Bollywood-style turn on the dance floor). Then he landed the role of Sayid, the former Iraqi military officer with a dark past and improbably sexy hair, in Lost.
Andrews said he’s glad to be part of a successful enterprise (“It’s great to have a job”) and was pleased with a recent plot twist in which Sayid and a fellow castaway fell in love.
He’d decided from the start that Sayid “had a lot of soul and was a romantic. The things they (the producers) gave him, they were important things, like technically he was very able, an ex-member of the Republican Guard, but all of which to me was very boring.”
So Andrews doesn’t see himself as a macho action man?
“Good God, no,” he said, a response accented with a hearty laugh. “I can’t change a light bulb. You think I’m joking. Barbara does that.”
He relished the improbability of the love affair between his character and Shannon (Maggie Grace), a self-absorbed American blonde, which he’d suggested to producers.
“I said, ’Wouldn’t it be crazy if your Iraqi from the Republican Guard has a relationship with somebody who looks like Miss America?”’ he recalled. “If they’d met any other way, there’s no way anything would have come of it.”
The romance was cut short when Shannon was accidentally shot to death, becoming one of a several characters killed off on Lost.
Andrews called her death “brutal and completely unnecessary. I fail to understand, actually, why they feel this need to get rid of people.”
Does he get nervous about Sayid’s future? “Nothing I can do about it. So why should I worry about it?”
He’s playing another military man in The Ten Commandments, Menerith, a fictional character who’s part of the Egyptian pharaoh’s army and stepbrother to Moses (Dougray Scott). The miniseries, directed by Robert Dornhelm and produced by Robert Halmi Sr. and his son, Robert Jr., will be followed four nights later, April 15, on ABC by Cecil B. DeMille’s 1956 epic version.
Andrews, who was raised as a Methodist, said the miniseries’ view of Moses highlights how unlikely and dogmatic his professions of faith might have seemed to his contemporaries. It’s a timely depiction, the actor said.
“We seem to be the victims of religious dogma, both from the Christian right here and of course in the East with the rise of Islamic fundamentalism,” he said.
But the primary goal for any project, he said, is “to tell a story, a good one. That’s what we have with the Old Testament and the New Testament, good storytelling.”

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

I thought that this was a pretty good episode, and I normally don't care for Hurley-centric episodes. I don't think they were ever really trying to pull something over on us - it was obvs that Dave wasn't real from the start, and the revelation that it was a manifestation of Hurley's mental illness was fine with me. That scene at the end with Libby was somewhat sappy, but it also kinda rang true. Sometimes people are sappy, especially when they need to be.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes people are sappy, especially when they're CRAZY

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

yeah for real

I do think it's possible Libby's a mole ....

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

I really doubt that Libby is a mole. I think she's a pathological liar, but not in cahoots with the Others.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

do we just take it for granted that she remembers everything about HER stay in the hospital? someone might have hypnotized her or something.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

THE WHOLE ISLAND IS IN LIBBY'S HEAD

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think she remembers any of it. why do people think she does?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

well wasn't it her own flashback that was being shown at the end? clearly Hurley doesn't remember that she was there.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Was it her flashback? i get so confused.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

it wasn't anyone's flashback. it was just showing what had happened from an omniscient narrator's POV

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

her logic at the end of that episode made no sense. *i know stuff that you don't, therefore i must be real!* HUH?????

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

her logic at the end of that episode made no sense. *i know stuff that you don't, therefore i must be real!* HUH?????

yeah, this was totally stupid. overall: the episode was meh. I personally LOVE Hurley episodes, and I think he's a fantastic actor. The Dave thing was obvious from the outset, and it was excruciating watching the show ham-handedly wind up to the final reveal. Libby may or may not be a mole, but she's definitely a compulsive liar (maybe).

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Remember when Hurley was a pot dealer on Curb Your Enthusiasm? That was awesome.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

no, i don't remember that.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

i remember that. also, I was surprised that dave wasn't real. and it was revelead about half-way through the episode, so it's not like they strung it along for ages.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Overall, disappointing episode after the awesomeness that was last weeks "Lockdown". For me, the whole Hurley/Dave issue was predictable and pointless.

As well as Hurley throwing his stash all over the floor, what was with Sawyer throwing his away his biscuit just because it was broken?

Without doubt the most intriguing line was "God cant see this island any better than the rest of the world can." And should we assume Not-so-Henry was lying about the button being a joke?

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't think he was lying about that at all. what would be the purpose?

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

I dont know what the purpose would be, but in the previous episode and before he was found out to be lying about his identity, Henry told Locke that he HAD pressed the button just like he was told to.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

my interpretation is that in the previous episode he was still trying to stay on Locke's good side

now he's like "fuck it, I'm going to show Locke how little he really knows"

but sure, it could be the other way around

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Sawyer throwing his away his biscuit just because it was broken

Sawyer is an American. We always do that with our COOKIES. ;)

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

clearly Hurley doesn't remember that she was there

oops I was wrong about this, I forgot Hurley did a whole "don't I know you from somewhere?" routine when Libby first came to their camp

so he sorta knows but hasn't put it together .... and it's unclear if she knows or not

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think they were ever really trying to pull something over on us -

I think the swelling strings and dramatic dolly towards Hurley suggest they were trying to play this as a crazy twist.

As for the broken Oreo, maybe Sawyer just wanted to eat the cream from inside, since the cookie part of the Oreo is always sort of dry and bland, and once it broke, he lost the chance to pull off one single, satisfying cream lick? (That makes sense to me, anyway, as someone who could relate all too much to Hurley's troubles last night...; I mean, I almost gleeked when he found the Pepperidge Dharm Goldfish).

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

It was funny when Hurley was beating up Sawyer under the tarp and Sawyer would climb halfway out and then be pulled comically back underneath.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Basically slapstick is the only thing that entertains me.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

this was a good episode. hurley isn't a great character (none of them are, really!) but I like him

I have no idea why anyone would think libby was a mole or that she even remembers in the hospital. she doesn't know hurley was in a, never mind the same, hospital, yet, I think

hurley fighting w/ sawyer and jin laughing was funny

kate's looks nicer than she used to do. maybe because she hasn't had a lot of story, lately

not-henry is still good and the most interesting part, of course. I have forgotten some of the hansun/dharma film stuff (or, maybe, never knew it), so I don't have any theories abt the others' power structure/intentions, other than grabbing kids/a specific kid

wonder how long 'til we see michael, again

still hate ana-lucia

I thought dave was good. I suspected, before the polaroid etc., that he was imaginary but wasn't paying 100% attention. I don't mind. so what if it's a massive cliche?

libby's chat, at the end, was corny, of course, but, yeah, didn't bother me too much, either

I thought the same thing, as someone else, upthread, abt "good for hurley--getting rid of temptation--but they are on a desert island" until people came running by and I remembered the supply drop, from the previous episode. heavily set-up but a wee bit funny, anyway

thought there would be a bigger revelation, this ep, after the close of the last, w/ not-henry pinned against the wall. I mean, we found out, for sure he's an other and not a previous button-pusher or anything else but still

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 7 April 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

That first Abu Ghraib-y shot of Henry tied to the wall was really excellent and shocking.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 7 April 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't really like this episode, and I really like Hurley. :/ Mostly because the Dave thing was way lame, and because at this point I'm way more interested in what's going on with the island than people's backstories (with the exception of Locke and maybe Sawyer and Sun & Jin can just have whole episodes about Sun & Jin and I'll always be happy).

What someone said about Alvar Hanso trying to "revive" Magnus Hanso seems really possible to me. But then it doesn't explain why he decided it would be awesome to keep polar bears on the island.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 7 April 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

Is there ANY basis for all this Alvar Hanso reviving Magnus Hanso (or anyone else) talk?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 7 April 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

Just the "last known resting place of magnus hanso" thing on the blast door map.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 7 April 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

oh btw, what if Magnus was Alvar's son who died at a very young age? It'd explain why he suddenly moved from building defense systems to spooky Dharma stuff (terrible tragedy, obsessed with getting his son back). It'd also explain the whole obsession with getting kids, if he died as a child.

ALSO THERE COULD BE A FLASHBACK SEQUENCE WITH "TEARS IN HEAVEN".

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 7 April 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

Lost is stealing its plot straight from Final Fantasy VII? "The Jenova Initiative"

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 7 April 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

Walt is going to be reborn in fire and death with a big fucking sword and LONG FLOWING SILVER HAIR.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 7 April 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

i really liked this episode! all hurley's have been very delib playin a bit with the comedy-cliche-movie-generic anyway; he's still not a one joke character, so i think the series is richer for it really. ppl are hating cos this ep does break up the henry gale revelation momentum, and i guess i can sympathise to an extent. having said that... relax u dorks

wot no laughs for sawyer's "i think i'll open a minimart... think sayid needs a job?"!! yeah no ok ur quite right

kinda rare that the final twist appears to be a personal relationship one rather than dharma etc - that's the only credit i can give any libby mole theories right now i think.

― rtcotm (mwah), Friday, 7 April 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

sex & the city also makes a lot more sense now i know that guy's imaginary

― rtcotm (mwah), Friday, 7 April 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

will they keep pushing the button now? surely not. a perfect time to reintroduce Desmond!

next flashback has to be Eko or MICHAEL?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 7 April 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't Dave the ACLU guy from last year's '24'?

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 7 April 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think they will keep pushing the button, bc it will be hard for Locke to admit he was wrong and they would be taking the word of a known enemy

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 7 April 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie's Starbucks line made me laugh lots.

I didn't see the dave-is-imaginary twist coming, so I enjoyed the episode. Somewhere in the middle fo it, I started to realise that at this stage, I'm not watching to find clues as to what's going on, or to try and figure out where the plot will go next, or anything. I'm pretty much just watching cos I like a lot of the characters (*) and the dialogue, and I just let all the plotty stuff wash over me, it's got complex enough that it's not that much fun to try and keep track of it any more. I might change my mind about this next time there's a very good plot-heavy episode.

(*) People who are still great enough that I can enjoy any scene they appear in no matter what else is happening: Locke, Sawyer, Hurley, Charlie (no, really), Eko, Sayid, Sun, HENRY!

On the other hand, people who are shit enough that they can spoil any scene: Just claire really, since shannon died. Although Bernard seems to get on my tits a bit too. And Michael's boring, I don't miss him.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Desmond is reintroduced soon. Need to find out why he would want to run into the jungle full of smoke monsters and polar bears when hes living in a luxury apartment with never ending supplies of food, rent free.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Friday, 7 April 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

next flashback has to be Eko or MICHAEL?

Nope.

19 "S.O.S." (Rose/Bernard flashback)
20 "Two For The Road" (Ana Lucia flashback)

Episode 21 is called "?" and 22 is "Three Minutes," and it hasn't been revealed who has the flashbacks there, though there is some evidence that suggests "?" has a Claire-centric flashback, though the action in that episode is centered on Eko and Locke.

I would think that "Three Minutes" or the two hour finale will feature Michael flashbacks, given that he returns at the end of the season.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 7 April 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't Dave the ACLU guy from last year's '24'?

I don't know about that, but was most certainly Harry Goldenblatt on Sex and the City aka the guy who bagged Charlotte.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 7 April 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

19 "S.O.S." (Rose/Bernard flashback)
At last we will learn the secret origin of Bernard's kerchief.

― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Saturday, 8 April 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

he was also the trustafarian on that show with chris eigeman and jennifer grey (playing herself) that was written by ex-seinfeld writers that got cancelled after about three episodes.

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 8 April 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm all caught up with the torrents now. When does the next episode air in the US?
I've got this horrible notion that this season's "the hatch is open but we don't discover its contents" will be "two armies prepare for battle but we don't see the fight"

Last time i hopped straight onto the net and didn't have to wait. A real cliffhanger'll plain kill me!

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

Wake up sleepyheads. A new episode of Lost starts... in 10 minutes!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

WHO WILL LIVE BLOG?

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT THE FUCK. IS HEIST ON? WHAT IS THIS? WHERE IS LOST?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

Don't push the button, John? Don't!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

Argh! We want to see the diagram again...

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

...oh, wrong channel. Welcome to three+ days of four hours of sleep.

::shuffles off in shame::

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, so Jack wants to trade Henry for Walt...

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

I think Henry is bullshitting him--the Others clearly have a serious interest in Walt, they aren't going to give him up for someone that haven't made any effort to save.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

No, Henry said they'll NEVER give up Walt. No bullshit.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, signs on the beach NEVER work.

And, yes, why the hell would this need to be discussed with Jack?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

i hate bernard

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

i hate bernard

-- cutty (holle...), April 12th, 2006 9:16 PM. (mcutt) (later) (link)

Me too, for no good reason.

Although I like after a big Bernard speech there is a commercial for Levitra.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

i, too, liked Rose better when she was random comfort/empathy woman.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

Is five months really that short a time before proposing?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yay Eko!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

Fucking bastard!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

"I think I liked you better when you just hit people with your stick."

Henry is eeeeeeeeeeviiiiiil. Though if entering the numbers is really just a mindless task as part of an experiment it doesn't make sense that not entering the numbers wouldn't do anything, as not completing the task should cause positive/negative reinforcement/punishment.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

We're Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club band, we hope you have enjoyed the show!

― I read the news today, oh boy!, Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

i love henry

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

I knew it. Loony "medical" "treatment."

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

kate still not saying anything about fake beardo

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

but i'll forgive cause she is so hot

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

har har Kate & Jack are stuck in a net. I hope they are stuck there until the season ends.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost

I still think she hasn't put it together yet.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

There has got to be something in this faith healer's house that will link into everything else.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

the entire nation of australia was in on this shit.

xpost - he said "magnetic"!!! :-o

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

Therefore Henry's mysterious "him" = John Howard!!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

Where's the cliffhanger?!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

They only come out at night...

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

Michael!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

This was kind of a boring episode, but it had a lot of good lines and Kate finally said something about the fake beard which makes me happy, but Rose & Bernard are the most boring people ever.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

What I learned from this episode is that we need to be more patient. There was a completely rational reason for why Kate didn't talk about the uniforms and fake beard.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

that was rational?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

meh episode, but at least they're moving things along

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

well, i don't know about rational, but logical given personalities, etc. and it seems obvious that, for the most part, the mystery of who the others are and what's going on on the island isn't as pressing to them as it is us.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

i liked that episode!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

it had a little something for everyone. even the extras got a little facetime!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

almost every line of dialogue exchanged between bernard and rose was awful, that's my main complaint

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

am i the only one looking forward to invasion instead of evidence as the follow-up show?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

i think i was just happy that their flashback didn't bore me silly and that it actually had something concrete to do with the island. crazy island cures all ills. i mean, i KNEW that already, but it's always nice to be reminded.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

and it's nice to know that rose can keep a secret.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

almost every line of dialogue exchanged between bernard and rose was awful, that's my main complaint

AGREED.

Hi dere Kate!

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 13 April 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

That dude who played Isaac was Scorpius on Farscape. My daughter was all excited to see him on tv again, esp. looking healthy. (Apparently he nearly died a few years ago.)

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 13 April 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

omg, Scorpius!! (well, haha, he wasn't ever exactly the picture of health on Farscape...)

I like how Michael bustin' out of the jungle was both awesome (it's Micheal! I don't think bartering will work, sorry, J-man) and hilarious in its timing (and no kissing of the pretty girl either! YOU ARE SKCREWED JACK TRY AGAIN LATER.)

I'm into the "there are places on this earth that vibrate people's energy and cure what ails them" thing. We're all a bunch of magnets really.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 13 April 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

i think bartering did work. except they gave up michael, not walt.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 April 2006 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

or, they intend it to work. but next week has them threatening to kill henry, so who knows?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 April 2006 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

I think based on the bits of Michael dialogue in the preview that he's either been turned into a mole by Ye Otheres, or he's agreed to betray his crew to get Walt back.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Thursday, 13 April 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

am i the only one looking forward to invasion instead of evidence as the follow-up show?

I would be, if my Lost-buddies weren't so anti-Invasion. Isn't Evidence just another ghoulish forensic-medicine show? There's something unwholesome about the current fascination people (myself included) have with dead bodies of crime victims. I turn the TV off before we can get sucked in.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 13 April 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I seriously doubt that Michael is a traitor. I think it's much more likely that he's been fed misinformation, just like Jack and Locke. But then again, it could be exactly as it seems - Michael saw them, they aren't what they seem to be, and he'll lead them there, but then they'll suddenly be way out of their depth when they find "him."

Are the writers going out of their way to encourage Charlie/Eko slash fiction?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 13 April 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starting to agree with The Cutty Principle - that Jack is essentially always right, at least when he follows his gut instinct.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 13 April 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starting to think that Matthew is essentially always right (except for occasions when he makes me feel foolish on April 1).

But something does tell me that there will be a "traitor" at some point.

This will sound silly, but do we know that the Others are actually "evil"? Have they actually killed anyone yet, or just dragged a few of them into the jungle never to be seen again? I can't remember.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think based on the bits of Michael dialogue in the preview that he's either been turned into a mole by Ye Otheres, or he's agreed to betray his crew to get Walt back.

That's what I was thinking too.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 13 April 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starting to agree with The Cutty Principle - that Jack is essentially always right, at least when he follows his gut instinct.

ha! i also found it weird that jack never weighed in on the food drop situation. no op-ed or anything.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 April 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

that long commercial for Invasion made it look fucking fascinating in ways that no other commercials for it ever did; but now I feel like I missed too much to start watching it.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 April 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

AKM OTM! I never thought I'd be jonesing to see "Invasion" but now I kind of am.

― Dan (10 Years???) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 April 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

If you have cable and get the "ABC Family" channel, they are apparently going to re-run the whole thing from the begining. I missed the first several episodes myself but find myself getting sucked in even though I don't really understand everything.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the Others have kidnapped a bunch of people. They presumably were the ones who beat Charlie and left him for dead in the previous season. They seem to be running some kind of cruel and unethical experiment. Is that enough?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 13 April 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Backtracking a little bit in this thread - it is now confirmed that the penultimate episode of this season, "Three Minutes" is a Michael/Walt flashback episode.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 13 April 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

When my roommate and I were watching that Invasion trailer, he thought that the main creepy dude was the guy who played the oldest brother on Blossom. As it turns out, this is not true, but I don't think I'll ever be able to look at that dude without thinking about Blossom for the rest of my life.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 13 April 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

I know I'm basically just playing devil's advocate -- and frankly Alex's behavior (setting Claire free) if nothing else should be the clue that I'm wrong - but we don't really know what happened with the "kidnapped" people. I am still very curious about the whole "good" issue. Imagine if they have been co-opted into the "Others" society, or are living in comfort elsewhere on the island, or have even even been transported off it for whatever reason.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

the others killed a castaway and were going to kill a castaway every night until they 'gave' claire back before charlie kilt ethan in that TRAP. also they killed like crazy on the other side of the island right? (missed alot of eps this season).

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

the Invasion marathon on ABC family appears to be this saturday (ten episodes, I'm not sure if that's everything so far?)

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

did they actually KILL lots of people on the other side of the island, or just kidnap them in the middle of the night? that's what i was referring to. (and, to be honest, i think the one episode i haven't seen is the one where they kill ethan.)

so does anyone think that henry has been using major reverse psychology on his captors, ie., he knew that pointing them toward the balloon would actually lead toward CONFIRMING that he was an Other?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think he expected them to exhume the body?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

no they're consistently surprised by the castaways - they didn't anticipate 3000 guns being on the plane and henry sure as hell didn't anticipate sayid diggin up bones.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 13 April 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

i'm really really curious as to what they're gonna do with walt - you can keep on trading out anonybabies for claire (although i swear that thing she was holding last night looked like a year old or something) but walt's walt and having him pop back up like a foot taller or buffed up or something is gonna be an issue when only a month or two is supposed to have passed (preemptive groan for 'the magic of the island has sped up puberty'), i'm pretty sure walt ain't got gary coleman disease or whatever either. do they kill a kid? do they just shoot him creatively and hope noone notices? do they just go 'o well' and maybe have a character go 'man walt you're really starting to sprout up' to vaguely deal with it a la comments re: hugo's weight/ranch dressing without actually dealing with it?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 13 April 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

also i can't be the only person that everytime some claire-baby flashpoint happens suddenly has 'maybe the dingo ate your baby' on repeat in my head.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 13 April 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mgnet.karoo.net/godreymain.jpg
http://tviv.org/w/images/1/16/Lost-Bernard-2.JPG

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 13 April 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

'maybe the dingo ate your baby'

haha, so otm

as far as the Others killing people, I don't think they're killing the people they're kidnapping but they will kill to protect their little enterprise. The Other in the tail camp snapped that guy's neck in the pit before he got speared by Ana Lucia. And Ethan definitely intended to kill Charlie when he hung him up by his neck ....

I liked this episode .... not as much crazy clues to discuss (someone already mentioned the "magnetism" line) but it definitely moved things forward. Henry Gale rocks, the look on his face when bonkers Locke pounded on his door was classic.

Oh yeah, Rose knowing that Locke used to be in a wheelchair was a good twist. (Is she the only one on the island who knows?)

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

has it been mentioned that there was a Widmore Labs logo on the balloon?

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, Rose knowing that Locke used to be in a wheelchair was a good twist. (Is she the only one on the island who knows?)

Good point. Not very observant, are they?

Here's another bunch of puzzles—(PREVIEW SPOILER)

Remember when a group of Others were seen from a hiding place in the forest in the tail-story episode? They were all in tatters. Now we know they have white lab coats, and presumably other clothing—that the ragged thing is a front. So why were they dressed in castaway drag even when they thought they weren't being observed? And why did they leave costumes behind in the ob/gyn bunker? And didn't the killing of Ethan, which presumably forced them to abandon the ob/gyn bunker, predate the Kate-for-guns swap in the clearing? He had a beard then. And he has a beard in last night's previews. So do they have a whole bunch of beards, or what???
WHY WHY WHY?????

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, Rose knowing that Locke used to be in a wheelchair was a good twist. (Is she the only one on the island who knows?)
Good point. Not very observant, are they?

But remember, he had to abandon the wheelchair and get carried on during pre-boarding, so it's possible nobody else saw him in it. He was already in his seat, according to the last ep of season 1, when most everyone else boarded, and it's entirely believable that they didn't see him in the terminal.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

It's also totally believable that no one was paying attention and didn't really remember anything, especially after the trauma of being in a plane crash. I mean, really, aside from people who might be standing next to me in line at the airport or sitting in my immediate vicinity on a plane, I can't say that I'd be good at remembering other people on any flight I've been on unless they were fantastically good looking or something.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Are you saying JOHN LOCKE is not fantastically good-looking?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Now we know they have white lab coats, and presumably other clothing—that the ragged thing is a front. So why were they dressed in castaway drag even when they thought they weren't being observed?

Well, presumably the Others don't ever "think they're being observed." (Isn't it the other way 'round?) The easiest answer here is simply that they wear their tatters when they're out in the jungle and save the clean clothes for home or medical procedures or whatever.

I think the multiple beards option is probably the most likely, but we really don't have any idea when the medical bunker was abandoned.

So many things are coming to a head. I am looking forward to some kind of castaway meeting soon where the various people holding back information (Locke and the map; Kate & Claire about the medical bunker and her experience; Jack et al about Henry; and Michael about the Others) reveal it, and presumably start drawing conclusions.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

also this ep kinda blew apart one of my theories (crazy not deeply held notion that the bernard-rose flashback coming this late and them being so innocuous it was gonna turn out that omg they work for dharma or whatever they're totally in on it but no, blind alley on that one). they totally need to have a meeting - who most likely knows the most info? jack? also maybe i'm just really really missing something from the earlier eps and i get that shooting shannon = some sort of exponential cockblocking but fuckit i like ana-lucia AND michelle rodriguez is fucking hot ESP on this show so fuck all yall on that point. also i swear to god i remember hearing something about samuel jackson popping up in a flashback at some point this season - am i crazy? was he in ana-lucia's flashback in some sort of 's.w.a.t.' shoutout? that flick's not bad btw - clark johnson represent!

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

I think they're going to kill walt in the finale, yes.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

maybe they have walt hooked up to some turbine that keeps the magnetic flow going. i'm with blount re: michelle. and s.w.a.t.!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

exponential cockblocking

I had to look this up and I still don't understand what you mean. 'chelle is fine if doesn't talk too much. As soon as she twists her face into a sneer (maybe someone's told her to stop), I wish Michael Douglas or Milla Jovovic would appear on screen and say "I should've made sure you were dead in your last movie."

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

Why is everyone so hung up on there being an Others spy? Revealing hidden traitors has been done to death, and I think that's why they have avoided it. And besides, they already played that card twice.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Personally I don't think there is a hidden spy. But I do wonder whether someone will "flip" (eg. Michael betrays the castaways so that he can be with Walt, or for some real/promised material one). Again, maybe that's just me not having fully digested the e-v-i-l that is The Others.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

omg i wish i lived in country where they didn't have cockblocking

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

I can't imagine that cockblocking is not a universal part of the human condition.

My feeling is that Michael will inevitably do something in this Walt situation that will have negative impact on everyone else, but it will be done because he was either tricked by the Others, or blinded by his desire to get his son back.

I'm looking forward to the big reveal as to why the Others want Walt (obvs, he has some kind of superpower), and how the castaways learn that they were brought to the island, that it wasn't a random event in the least.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

In retrospect the whole Ethan fiasco was pretty fucking thick of the Others. Why didn't they just ambush everyone with their amazing stealth instead of sending Ethan along on his own where he was easily beaten up and killed.

Last night's episode was good, fake Henry Gale sure has Locke in his pocket!

The ending is odd though, surely giving Michael back is a concession of sorts, though obviously he will have some message to give Jack/Kate.

Is there another new episode next week?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 13 April 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

nope, rerun

I'm not so sure they "gave" Michael back ... if Claire could escape, surely he could too ... ?

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 13 April 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

but I guess it did seem like it was in reaction to Jack's shouting

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 13 April 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

We'll find out soon enough, I guess. Personally I took it as he just coincidentally appeared at the same time.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

I took it as a coincidence too.

sending Ethan along on his own where he was easily beaten up and killed.

In fairness, he was not easily beaten! But they did underestimate them, which seems to be The Others' big problem.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

No way a coincidence, I would be quite sure in the next ep he will be the one saying "they have Walt, you have to give back Henry" etc etc

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

This will sound silly, but do we know that the Others are actually "evil"? Have they actually killed anyone yet, or just dragged a few of them into the jungle never to be seen again? I can't remember.

When Ethan threatened to kill one person every day until Claire was sent back to the Others, he actually made good on it. Either Scott or Steve was killed.

Actually I felt that Ethan displayed a rather abnormal amount of physical strength--he WAILED on Jack, managed to hang Charlie (presumably alone), and picked Charlie up by his neck off of the ground when he was trying to get Claire back. The only reason they overwhelmed him was he was heavily outnumbered (what, six to one?) by people with guns. And even then he may have gotten away if Charlie hadn't shot him.

I think Walt is Important and won't be killed. I am hoping it will be Ana-Lucia but that's seriously just because I don't like her. I don't think Michael is intentionally betraying everyone, but it probably wouldn't be hard for them to present themselves as small in numbers and unarmed, especially considering they seem to have a fuckload of sedatives on hand.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Even still though, why would they take the risk of him being outnumbered, even if they were superhuman, surely 3 others, or in the case of the Kate scene, 20 Others, would be enough. Unless they were super eager to stay hidden or didn't bank on Claire telling her friends.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Of course he will. And of course it's not a coincidence if you're looking at its from the writers' perspective. But if it's not a coincidence, then that suggests that the Others were holding him captive and decided to release him when they heard Jack shouting "We have your man." That I don't believe.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Bah, my excellent comedy looky-likey has been blocked by bandwidth midasses. Arse. Well, you probably had to be un englisher to get it anyway. In the morning, when I'm not drunk, I'll repost with a (more appropriate) screengrab of my own.

I really liked the rose-knows-locke's-secret moment too, cos it meant rose-might-know-other-secrets-too.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 14 April 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

I just rewatched the whole of season two, w/ my girlfriend (she'd just finished season 1 and liked it a lot), in the past week or so. I had forgotten a few things I might have forgotten again

we wondered whether or not not-henry gale had pushed the button--maybe he did!

also, we think that, in season 4, they will find a new medical hatch w/ an X-ray machine in and X-ray j locke and find he has two (maybe three) kidneys!!

I knew this ep was going to be rose/bernard and wasn't v interested. I, too, hate bernard but because he is stupid

yeah, michael is their trade, for not-henry, it seems. there weren't scenes from next week (or the week after), at the end of the torrent

would like to see the diagram, again, yeah--was it readable on real telly? don't think you could make anything out on the internet. what were rousseau's diagrams from season 1 like, again?

no-one else knows about locke's legs? he didn't tell bo-one? doesn't matter, now, haha. my girlfriend says he hasn't told anyone, ever. I forgot it was supposed to be a secret so I didn't realise it was a "twist"

OK!

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 April 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't most of them see him in a wheelchair?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 14 April 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

oh, yeah...

cathy says he was lifted onto the plane before everyone else, though

he dropped something and couldn't reach it...?

oh, I forget

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 April 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

so no new eps until may 3, and then may is going to be a hell of a month eh?

― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Friday, 14 April 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

There's one on the 26th April, isn't there? (At least that's what the ABC site said yesterday)

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 14 April 2006 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

It's what is says now too.

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 14 April 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

Wednesday, April 26 at 9/8c
"Reckoning"
Check back soon to find out more about this all-new episode!

Are you talking about this? That's just a clip show.

The schedule for new episodes is:

May 3 "Two For The Road"
May 10 "?"
May 17 "Three Minutes"
May 24 - two hour season finale, title TBA

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 14 April 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

there should be a clip show, I guess, but Check back soon to find out more about this all-new episode! would be rather misleading

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 14 April 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

was RJG

― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 14 April 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

would like to see the diagram, again, yeah--was it readable on real telly

certainly not on any "normal" sized television. fodder for us i-net junkies, clearly.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 14 April 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

2 hour season finale, omg.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 14 April 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Going back to the Libby thing, after a whole episode of "Poor Hurley, he has suffered from low confidence and mental problems", why did the camera then pan to Libby in the same home and the music clearly spell out "this woman is a deranged psychopath".

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 14 April 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Are you talking about this? That's just a clip show.

D'oh! That is misleading.

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Friday, 14 April 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

not quite sure what you mean, Ronan

they were revealing that Libby used to be in the same mental hospital as Hurley back in the day

other than that .... I guess we have to wait for the Libby flashback episode

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 14 April 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

I mean that they were suggesting something kinda sinister about her, watch it again and listen to the music.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

well, she looked totally crazy/out of it, in that short clip

I said this, before: I have no idea why anyone would think libby was a mole or that she even remembers in the hospital. she doesn't know hurley was in a, never mind the same, hospital, yet, I think

I was thinking that libby worked in hurley's hospital/asylum

-- josh w (jbwebe...) (webmail), January 26th, 2006 1:16 PM. (jbweb)

dunno who this dude is but : o

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

i think ronan is misreading the musical cue. I didn't sense anything sinister. it was just a 'big reveal' musical score.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah seems to me like most episodes end with that music.

― Holy makkara, Toivo! (OutDatWay), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

It was really sinister! She was staring at Hurley and popping pills! She's going to kill him!

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

it was def. meant to be sinister

Hurley is at the brink ... oh wait, he is saved ... oh wait, the person who just saved him is more nuts than he is

that doesn't bode well for their future happiness

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

It sounds like the Jaws music! Of course it's sinister. If they were going to tell you she was in the same hospital but hey it's totally ok, they wouldn't put it at the end of the episode and have her looking completely out of it, they'd just get her to tell him somewhere in the middle and it'd be OMG what a surprise everything is fine. As I said, there was an obvious contrast between Hurley in the hospital and Libby at the end in the hospital, and also the fact that Libby has blatantly concealed this from Hurley and everyone else until now doesn't bode well either, not least when her hiding something has been hinted at several times already.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

hurley has told v few people he was in the psych ward or whatever

I do think libby is a bit weird--when she turned that guy's broken leg around on the beach after their crash w/ the skiing story!! etc.

I haven't watched the end of that ep again but I still think the music will be supposed to mean "eeeeeeeeeeek how freaky!" rather than "DANGER" or something but I haven't watched the end of that ep again

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 April 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Who other than Jack knows that Hurley was in the psychiatric ward?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

you?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley to Sawyer: Can you give me some drugs to help me stop hallucinating and shit?

I think Sawyer may have put 2 and 2 together

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think Hurley flat-out told anyone else though

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Suppose Libby actually is a therapist or shrink of whatever it was she said. Yet she had her own breakdown, for reasons, we don't yet know. Hence the secret shame that she has not revealed.

Although it probably is more likely that she "cured" herself by developing a fixation on Hurley and stalking him to Australia.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

The money?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

That would be TERRIBLE. They wouldn't do that to Hurley.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

It'd be kinda great if working for Dharma is what drove Libby mad, or somesuch...

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

No, forget that. I'm totally wrong about that.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

I sure hope they wouldn't do that to Hurley, although I guess that was probably the logical guess before we saw Libby in the asylum. I would much prefer that she's a deranged stalker that just someone out for his money.

On a somewhat unrelated note, can I just say that Cynthia Watros has scrubbed up quite nicely. Suddenly she seems like the most attractive woman on the island (YMMV obviously). And I didn't really recognize her when she first appeared.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

Why didn't they just ambush everyone with their amazing stealth instead of sending Ethan along on his own where he was easily beaten up and killed.

He was supposed to make a list.

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Sunday, 16 April 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Libby can't remember where exactly she's seen Hurley before. That would be more realistic. And realism is our top concern, here.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 17 April 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

yes

I was thinking, yesterday, that we kinda know what happens, if the button isn't pressed--we've seen the hieroglyphics and, if not-henry is tellin the truth (he described the hieroglyphics, too), then a magnet might be switchin on or off. wonder what happens if a wrong/diff code is entered, though. maybe just the same thing

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to beth:

Now that you say that I wonder. I mean, something about all Libby's expressions / interactions seem to suggest that she's hiding something. But I guess it's possible that it's just suspicious ol' us. You have to admit, though, that now that Hurley has told her about an asylum, you would think she'd put it together.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 17 April 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe she did something terrible to land in the mental ward, like killed her own children, and is burying the memory.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Whatever she did was probably a result of Dharma mind-poisoning.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

Walt's real-world/Lost-world age differential won't be any problem at all. Malcolm David Kelley was totally on My Name Is Earl a couple weeks ago, he can still play 10 years old, no problem.

I think they wanted to set Libby up to seem sinister so that when they eventually drop her true flashback (probably not until next season, bah) and they make her all sympathetic-like, it'll be more of a what-a-twist moment (they did the EXACT same camera pan/sinister music thing with John Locke in season 1 right before the episode with his big wheelchair revelation).

Charlie has had some of the best one-liners in the past couple of episodes...BERNARD: (to Eko) I liked you better when you just hit people with your stick...CHARLIE: I like you just fine the way you are.

― nklshs, Monday, 17 April 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

I liked it when charlie got hurley's fortune wrong and, when corrected, said something, loud, like "sorry, I must have confused it with the 700 billion that I, myself, am worth" but I don't like charlie

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if anyone really likes Charlie.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

I still think there's a lot of potential in Charlie (as a character), unlike, say, Claire who feels played out except for the baby plot line. (Although we'll always have the dingo-baby moment to treasure.)

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

I like Charlie! I don't really like the Charlie-centric episodes too much, but he's a great supporting character, and I appreciate that they've done a lot to make him less sympathetic in this season. I like the way that Charlie always needs to glom on to someone, and I think there's a lot of potential in his relationship with Mr. Eko.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

locke is rubbish, too. never mind the button dilemma or his beliefs about the island which are and could be OK. the way he (and everyone else) totally turned on (or from) charlie was out of character and weird even though chas is a dickhead

the most rubbishest of all, though, still, is, of course, ana-lucia, who was never, ever any good or bearable, at all, just really crap and annoying

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

as "an expert in all things musical", you would like charlie, though

and as "a dickhead"

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

boy people are snippy on mondays, aren't they?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

I WAS BEING NICE

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

I can't understand why anyone would think that Locke beating on Charlie would be even remotely out of character - the whole thing with Locke is that his pride is his greatest flaw. Whenever his pride is threatened, he acts like a child. In his relationship with Claire, Locke needed to be the big man father figure, and so he went all alpha male on Charlie to assert/afirm that relationship. Also, Charlie TOTALLY HAD IT COMING.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

locke hardly had a relationship w/ claire and nothing especial until this stuff and he still kind of doesn't

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

as "an expert in all things musical", you would like charlie, though
and as "a dickhead"

just the matty beebs being matty beebs.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

locke hardly had a relationship w/ claire and nothing especial until this stuff and he still kind of doesn't

he did build her that crib :/

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think that was done rather a stand-offish, gestural way and not to ingratiate himself, really, no matter what charlie thought

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Claire/Ana Lucia/Charlie all awful yeah. Though Ana Lucia perhaps just becoming more bland and stooge like than awful, in recent weeks.

I quite like Locke, though it's more that I like the way he is kind of easily manipulated due to his problems and his past, the Henry Gale/Locke trust dynamic is really working well.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

claire has grown on me this season. in sexy ways.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking the same about Libby, in recent episodes.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just going down the hatch.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes I wonder if I just like Ana Lucia in a contrarian sort of way, but I do like the way she adds to the dynamic of the core characters. But you know, I don't feel like I have to *like* a character to enjoy them on the show.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

As for Claire, she is kinda grating, but I feel like they could make her a more engaging character in the future. She doesn't really have much of a role in the show right now other than the "MOY BAYBEEE!!!" and being someone to play off of Charlie and Locke, but you know, it doesn't mean they couldn't do more with her when the main story allows for it.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

libby's upper lip was digusting two episodes ago, no thx

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

a bit plasticky

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yes! "?" has been confirmed as an Eko flashback episode!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

And it also seems that I may have been right about something I said in this thread that I second-guessed immediately afterwards...

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Lost_2x17_-_The_Map.png

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

All the stations look like bongs in that drawing.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

it's stupid but last week when somebody was running towards Kate and Jack, my first thought was not 'Michael!' but 'DEEEESSSSSMMMOOONNNNDDDD!'

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

And I have dreams about this show that I've not had about any other show.

The dreams always entail the island having been 'gentrified' - I am there with friends, the original crash survivors are still there, other people and we're all integrating by the beach.

The other night I had gone to the island's supermarket with Jack but then he started complaining about why I was filling up the trolley with bread when we should be more sensible about what food to buy and how much. Then we both remembered that the parachute drop had provided enough food for everyone anyway and felt pretty stupid. Then I woke up and felt even more stupid.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

I had a Lost dream too. I dreamt that I was in Lost, and I got captured by the Others, but all I could think about was that I was missing Lost by being held captive, and eventually the Others let me watch it on a little tv.

― Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

I hope in the show, when they find Walt, he is in a little cell reading this thread.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

WALT SAY MY NAME ON THE TELLY!!!

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

sorry he has 'ignore user' on

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

4 8 15 16 23 42

― john locke (mitya), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

If those numbers came up on the lottery, i bet about 50,000 people would win and theyd all get about £40 each.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

That has actually happened a few times, apparently.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

"Lost numbers come up losers":
http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050305/NEWS01/503050331/1001/news

"Lost Numbers in Ireland's lottery":
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/11/20/032406.php

"Lost Numbers lose millions":
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,17621,00.html

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

(Well, at least one of those links refers to the scenario you suggested!)

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

yo is it true locke got sonned by henry gale after a hatch computer beef????

― 4, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear.... Libby has been cast in a pretty high profile pilot...
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=televisionNews&storyid=2006-04-19T065033Z_01_N194818_RTRIDST_0_TELEVISION-WATROS-DC.XML

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Wednesday, April 26 at 9/8c
"Reckoning"
The survivors of Oceanic flight 815 have been locked in a test of faith ever since they crashed on the island. Discover how this faith has been tested for both the fuselage survivors and tailies.

This is a clip show, right? :(

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Friday, 21 April 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

yeah
the first real one is May 3, but then no more repeats until the finale

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

The finale's a repeat? What a bloody swizz.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

"Pirates have kidnapped Walt ... again!"

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure Renard meant "THROUGH the finale," RIGHT Renard? They wouldn't do that. They couldn't. They have to end it with a cliff-hanger!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 24 April 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

it's been confirmed that the finale will be a repeat

I, for one, am outraged

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 24 April 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

everyone ignore my bad syntax and / or get a grip

― Renard (Renard), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

I hate the clip shows so much. Even to get people caught up, because I think even with the clip show it would be difficult to catch up with a show like Lost.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

I kinda like it (though I despise clip shows as a concept) because it sorta condenses WHAT'S ACTUALLY RELEVANT, because, check this thread out, you can start going off about, hey is Charley parting his hair to THE RIGHT this week? Has he been replaced by AN OTHER?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

charlie and hurley have been fused together into one being by the others!!!!

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

check this thread out, you can start going off about, hey is Charley parting his hair to THE RIGHT this week? Has he been replaced by AN OTHER?

Hey, that's what's relevant!

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

CHURLISH

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 24 April 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Renard, I have always admired your syntax! I was just hoping against hope that you meant "through" rather than "up to and not including." I was grasping at straws.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 24 April 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

that is one of the strangest compliments I've ever received

but thanks

I'm just going by what someone posted upthread, 2 hour finale on May 24

― Renard (Renard), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

I keep confusing Renard with Bernard.

― JimD (JimD), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

haha

I don't have a bandana

― Renard (Renard), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Lost star Michelle Rodriguez has been jailed for five days after being found guilty of drink-driving in Hawaii. Rodriguez, Anna Lucia in the hit TV series, chose jail after turning down an offer to perform community service.
"I kind of have to get back to my life, go back to making some money," she said outside court.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

also, http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,18877,00.html

― Clay (cws), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Watch the May 3 episode very carefully. You can TiVo it, but don't skip the commercials.

What a drag!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

argh

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 27 April 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, man, I just read the spoilers for the May episodes - it sounds like a lot is going to happen. I wish I hadn't done that.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 27 April 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

you fool

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 27 April 2006 06:15 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe I watched that stupid clip show last night. But at least the preview of next week's show was a thrill.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 27 April 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

is anybody gonna do this interactive game thingy? I'm not gonna devote any more time to Lost than I already do but I'm curious about what will be revealed. report your findings!

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

So Matt, working for Dharma DID drive Libby nuts, or what?

― schwantz (schwantz), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not gonna devote any more time to Lost than I already do

That was my first thought too.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

likewise

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

I skipped the clip show. Can anyone summarize what was shown in the preview for next week?

― slo, Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

On this spoiler-free thread? no.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Previews don't count as spoilers.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

You can usually get the previews as video files over at lostlinks.net

― Clay (cws), Thursday, 27 April 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

I skipped the clip show

if you saw the Bernard / Rose episode I'm sure it was the same preview that ran after that one

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 27 April 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the preview Michael was carrying on about how the Others had hardly any guns and "we could take them!"

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 28 April 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

Blech.

Will Jacl PLEASE just fuck Freckles and get it over with?
Will Sayid, in a sudden homoerotic spasm, do the hot torture thing with Locke?

And where's the polar bears? Really, no show has jumped so many sharks so quickly ever.

I wish JJ would call Joss so Buffy could swing in, clear up the entire mess and call an end to this.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 28 April 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

no show has jumped so many sharks

did they have the dharma logo on them

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 28 April 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

i geting suckered into the lost experience

started a sepereate thread for it...

lost the experience: it's not in the tree's it in the fictional websites

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

New one tomorrow, right? I'm already planning Lost Night dinner!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

yes yes yes, and i think it's a straight run to the season finale. yay.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

It is!

xpost: that whole website freaks me out.

― cws (cws), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm probably going to do the game thing because I mean really what ELSE should I be doing at work. I will let you know if I find out that Walt is really Sayid and Claire's secret love child from the future.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

I know you were joking but .... the game is a whole different plot with diff. characters

I'm not doing it but I will monitor the thread! more power to ya.

― Renard (Renard), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thehansofoundation.org is up with new, clearly game-related stuffs. HOW EXCITING.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

WHOA

(I guess we get it an hour earlier here for some reason lately. Hence me being the first to say WHOA. I have to leave the house now though, but, er, this ep was good. in a way.)

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... Jack's dad, discredited doctor, can only find work on some weird secret Hanson project?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

Ana Lucia will do ANYTHING to get what she wants.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Eh... crazy Michael. He's missed all this stuff -- will Kate and Locke and Jack divulge all their secrets now? -- but nothing anyone will be able to say will convince him that what he's seeing can't be the real, whole picture.

Waaaalt!

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

O M G ! ! ! ! ! !

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

...and that's what happens when you drive drunk.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

OMFG OMFG OMFG

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

OMFG.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Best ever?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

best of the season (so far) EASILY.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Certainly the most shocking, at any rate.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

wow. alright which of you geniuses saw that coming? actually, when he asked to kill the guy it did come to mind. especially cuz henry said they would come for him somehow. but i couldn't really believe it till i saw it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

Women on this island should never have sex or even consider having sex with any of the dudes on this island.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

It depends how it all plays out, but as soon as he had the gun in his hand, I thought, "OMG he's going to knock her out and then try and trade Henry for Walt himself."

Which is not what happened, but anyway. So who thinks he's been brainwashed, and who thinks the idea was to perpetrate such a horrible crime on the castaways that there would be no hesitation about going after them with an army?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

So I'm wondering - will they ever kill off characters who aren't women or metrosexuals?

I tend to think that the Others are quite a lot more powerful than we've been led to believe, and that they pretty much nailed Michael to the wall, and put him in this desperate situation. I don't think he's brainwashed, and I don't think he's evil. I think he's just a broken man with few options.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

In other words, he's Lando.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

Still dreaming that Sawyer will turn out to be Han, Matthew?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

"dreaming"? They write him to be Han/Wolverine on purpose!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

He is so Gambit, not Wolverine. :p

I wonder if perhaps Michael was already promised Walt if he talked everyone else into trying to storm the camp. The "I--well, I couldn't save him, so I came back to tell you" part made me wonder.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

This episode used way too many pronouns. The entire conversation between Henry and AL went completely over my head - explanations, anyone? I wouldn't be surprised if it actually makes perfect sense and I just missed it. And I've been trying to figure out why Michael did exactly what he did and I'm drawing a complete blank.

on the other hand, DEATHS! YEAH!

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was Gambit at first too, but it's not right. The whole thing is that he's angry and sexual and cultivates the loner thing out of self-loathing - that's definitely more of a Wolverine thing. Also, the whole thing with him and Kate and Jack is blatantly going after the classic Cyclops/Jean Grey/Wolverine dynamic. Please don't forget that most of this writing staff is a bunch of comics geeks who grew up on Claremont and Lucas.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

alright which of you geniuses saw that coming?

When they showed the promo for this two weeks ago, I turned to my wife and said that Michael was working for the Others. When he got the gun, I was all, "Oooh, bye bye Ana-Lucia." The other death totally caught me off-guard, which was awesome-o.

― Dan (Moral: Don't Drink And Drive On A JJ Abrams Show) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

also, wasn't there a Hanso advertisement somewhere near the end there? right before an Invasion promo? I'm pretty sure it was a different web address than thehansofoundation.org but i don't remember what exactly it was

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.hansorg.com

― Dan (Magic Memory) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

(The URL doesn't work, BTW.)

― Dan (Bummerz) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, that's what i thought too, but y'know, for obvious reasons ...

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

i saw the ad. they had a phone number too, but i didn't jot it down.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm guessing, that the Others fingered AL as an "accomplice," to convince Michael that she was a traitor, and killable. Libby was just an accident....? (which seems to drive home the whole "written out" theory)

The Hanso ad was for a telephone no: 1 800 HANSORG

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

so, is claire jack's sister? was that her mom?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering that! I thought it was Claire herself, at first, through the rain.

Jack's dad might have been "harvesting" or someting?

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

she's the only blonde aussie on the island, right? and they aren't just gonna mention a mystery daughter and not have her pop up. i don't remember if claire's mom was in her flashback. probably.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was 877 HANSORG, but it's not working for me. 800 gets you the Northern Arizona University Bookstore :(

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thehansofoundation.org is the correct URL

the phone number (which I also thought was 1-877-HANSORG) isn't working for me either. :cccc

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

The other death

is she, though? note the promo mentioning singularly she's dead...

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

I hope she's alive, personally. And that shot of Michael in the cell (that is what we saw, isn't it?) would suggest that for some reason he isn't trusted. One reason for that would be one of them living to tell.

Okay, here's something that may have been lost in all the excitement at the end.

Was Locke genuinely working with Jack when he went with them to get the guns from Sawyer, or was he just playing along so that he'd know what was going on. It seems to me that the latter rings more true than the former.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with you, mitya, it's definitely the latter--if only because of Locke's reaction when Henry said he was supposed to be coming for him. Maybe Locke just wants to see what's in the camp?

Also, I tried 1-877-HANSOORG and am getting a busy signal, so that might be the correct number.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

1-877-HANSORG is the right number. http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/ has all the details of the phone stuff.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

godalmighty this fucking show man

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 May 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

that episode rocked

soooo many questions

is Locke really on "the list" or was Henry just fuckin with him ... who is the "brilliant man ... who is not forgiving"? (Alvar?) ... I really think Michael is officially one of the Others, having been summoned out there by Walt via the hatch computer ... and there seemed to be a flash of recognition / worry in Libby's eyes when Hurley said "maybe if I get drunk enough I'll remember where I know you from" ....

and a big one: we still don't know how Jack's dad died, right?

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 4 May 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

When Michael was looking at the gun, just before he said 'sorry' and shot Anna, he seemed genuinely unable to conflicted in what he was about to do. So I think "brainwashing" is pretty much out. It is likely as Matthew said upthread. I'd believe the others captured Michael, threatened his life / Walt's life, said they'd reunite them if he released Not-Henry and got the survivors to swarm the camp. It's a brilliant plan, right?

I think we're being led down an extremely chaotic path, as far as the survivors go, towards the endrun of this season.

― cws (cws), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

no way Libby's dead,
she has Bulletproof Blanket
Barrier Syndrome

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

I like how when Jack's dad opened the car door he hits Sawyer, who just happens to be walking by. It seems you can't swing a cat in a flashback without hitting another Lostie.

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 4 May 2006 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

okay, here's my question:

so WHY would michael tell them that the others are dirty and disorganized and virtually unarmed? ambush? or is this getting back to the idea that there are two groups of others (hi-tech false beardo clan and the 'dirty feet' group who might be the "bad people" or failed experimental subjects)? unh?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 4 May 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

AHHHH WHAT THE FUCK

― rtcotm (mwah), Thursday, 4 May 2006 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

(michael shot himself in the arm tho riiiight? i'm still not quite sure)

― rtcotm (mwah), Thursday, 4 May 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it looked like the arm/shoulder area. definitely not aiming for his heart or anything.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 4 May 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

it's true about locke tho anyway - no way do u let anna lucia (and mike, really; locke seemed like the only one half aware of the dodginess of him appearing like that) alone with henry whether u know she's tooled up or not. i guess he's been fixated on the door and mixed up about faith enuff for henry's info to maybe push him over into i dunno, embracing his others destiny or something?

i'd like to think the libby plot still had somewhere to go too, but on the other hand - absolutely perfect red herring no?

i'm really gonna miss ana lucia, fuck u indieboy haters!

― rtcotm (mwah), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

haha what they shdve done is have someone at the end turn over the pad locke was scribbling on when jack came to apologize and see it with DEFECT? YES / NO with yes ticked

― rtcotm (mwah), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

wow that 1-800 hanso transcript on that blog is some crazy shit

― rtcotm (mwah), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

I am still completely lost (no pun intended) on all this "good" and faith vs. science stuff. Look at all the confusion - Henry tells A-L that Goodwin thought she could be "saved," but that he realizes he was wrong. All that seems to confirm the idea that these judgements are acgtually based on moral values, somehow. Yet A-L doesn't kill him. Was Goodwin correct, then? And if so, why was she killed? (Or does Michael just confirm his own badness by killing her?) Or does the "goodness" lay somehwere else?

One of the upcoming episodes -- the next one -- is supposed to be about Eko and Locke facing off. But aren't they both men of "faith"?

As far as Michael's story, I guess it's enitrely possible that what Michael said is basically true -- ie., all he saw was the part of the Others' camp that was rags and tents. I mean, what was his real goal? Perhaps he actually intended to lead the Losties to the Others' camp, but an opportunity he hadn't expected presented itself.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

so WHY would michael tell them that the others are dirty and disorganized and virtually unarmed? ambush?

Indeed. I think they put him up to that in order to make Jack feel like he wasn't in over his head and take the offensive, which they would easily crush.

Mitya, I think the Hanso people are just zealots. They are self-righteously pursuing a project that has noble ambitions, but they are "any means necessary" bastards. So they faith in their scientific project, which I'm guessing in terms of the show's themes is the monster combo of the "man of science, man of faith" thing.

At this point is it clear that all or most of the castaways were selected for this project, and that there are "good people" (Claire, John, Rose, Jack) and "bad people" (Kate, Sawyer, Eko, Ana Lucia). Goodwin apparently believed that some of the "bad people" could be rehabilitated on the island. Before Michael murdered her, Ana Lucia proved that Goodwin was probably right about her - she had only murdered out of vengeance and self-preservation, and she didn't have it in her to keep killing. She spared "Henry," and she repented. So we can say that Goodwin may have been right about her.

As for Locke and Eko, it seems that the conflict between them is that Eko's faith is dogmatic and selfless, and that Locke's is all about him, and trying to make the world justify his sense of importance and destiny. Eko is trying to redeem himself, and Locke is trying to justify his own existence.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

this goodwin business i find a tad disingenuous - trying to shank a-l with a penknife is certainly a novel sort of redemption

― rtcotm (mwah), Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Goodwin apparently believed that some of the "bad people" could be rehabilitated on the island.

I think Henry was just fucking with her -- he's very good at playing mind games.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

Matthew, I like your insights. So does that mean you see a big part of the project being about the interaction/conflict between the "good" and "bad" characters? Because, in theory, weren't the the "good" people dragged off into the forest and only the "bad" left? Or was Ethan discovered before he could pass on the list of "good" people among the original castaways to be pulled away?

And where do you think those "good" people are -- the tailies that were dragged away? Are they somewhere on the island, alive? Presumably, otherwise there would be no reason for them to have been "selected."

And why would the Others want the survivors to storm the camp? To get Henry back/punish them for holding him? Again, if you think they wanted all the survivors to be there, why would they now want to kill them? Or does the fact that they don't have planted spies in the camp mean that the experiment has been ruined for this group of victims/specimens?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I think the project is mainly concerned with the "bad people" - that's why they try to pull away the "good people." I believe Gale when he says that he was coming to take John Locke and whoever else. The only "good people" that the Others have tried to take from the main camp are Claire's baby and Walt. Interestingly, they had no desire in keeping Claire herself when they had her.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

"Indeed. I think they put him up to that in order to make Jack feel like he wasn't in over his head and take the offensive, which they would easily crush."

if they could crush them easily, they could crush them on the beach. what would the point be of making them go on the offensive?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

They don't want to crush everyone in the camp, just the aggressors.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

So you think they don't know for sure who the "good" people are, and therefore can't drag them off. And be provoking an attack, the "bad" one self-select out?

What do you think has happened to the good people, then?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

Matthew, I agree that "good vs. bad" does play into it, but I don't agree with who you've labeled as "good" and "bad". I think "goodness," according to the Others, is defined not only by one's actions, but by their capacity to grow as people on the island. Remember, Locke is not an altogether upstanding citizen--he definitely has some anger issues, for one. But he has experienced a lot of growth on the island--I feel like that growth made him a "good person"--I mean, Henry didn't show up to get him in the first week (unlike with the children and other tailies). If one can become a "good person" by experiencing growth on the island, we first must assume that all the people who came to the island as "good people" have already been taken. The rest have either become/are becoming good people, or are still "bad people". For example, Jack, who does "do the right thing" has experienced no growth on the island really--he is essentially the same person he was when he got there. Same with Sawyer, who I believe is labeled a "bad person" not because of his actions, but because of his self-loathing. I would assume, then, that the island is a sort of "moral therapy"--some people will experience growth and overcome their weaknesses (Locke, Charlie and possibly Jin and Michael) and the rest destroying themselves/each other. I believe setting the Losties on the offensive with this "invading the camp of the Others" thing is intended as a catalyst by presenting a very intense moral dilemma (should I attack and probably murder a group of people whose only confirmed crime is ONE murder and kidnapping people to apparently take better care of them?) to inspire self-reflection.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

i tuned in the last 20 minutes last night and during the last 4 minutes i let out a "WHAT THE FUCK!!!" so loud my upstairs neighbor came down to check on me. no joke.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

For example, Jack

yeah I wouldn't jump the gun and put him on the "good" list. My guess is that there's an important part of his backstory that we don't know yet (despite the fact that he's had, what, five flashbacks) .... hinted at several times with the lines about "where did a doctor like you get all those tattoos" ...

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I mean, I don't really LIKE Jack, um, at all, so my own bias is there too. Maybe the Others think being insufferably hardheaded makes you a bad person too. :p

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

As an aside, I hardly see Michael killing even one person to be a sign of growth or goodness. Unless he is brainwashed and/or we're totally misreading what good/bad stuff, he's fucked. (Although the Calvinist in me LOVES the idea that A-L was written off because of bad Girlfighter karma.)

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think the thing with the Others is that they won't kill for what they consider "bad reasons" but they'll kill to protect the project

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

(Everyone knows Cynthia Watros has been cast in a CBS pilot, yes?)

― Dan (Libby = Dead) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

yes.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Almost certainly, but dead now or dead in an episode or two?

Dude, just thinking about the ending again gives me chills.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'm all confused - had we heard of Goodwin before last night?

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 4 May 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Goodwin was the Other Spy in the tailies' camp. A-L killed him (I think it was her, anyway.)

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

And the two dead women both got drunk driving convictions this year, right?

― schwantz (schwantz), Thursday, 4 May 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

THAT'S WHY THEY ARE BAD AND HAD TO DIE.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

More on this: http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049

― schwantz (schwantz), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

For those afraid of spoilers, fear not. The link is basically just a discussion with Cuse and Lindehof, addressing suggestions that what happend in the episode was some kind of right-wing statement about the dangers of drinking and driving. (Interestingly, enough, some people in the comments thread there also see A-L as being punished for having extra-marital sex. Where do these people come from?)

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

>...and that's what happens when you drive drunk.

OTFM

what bullshit!

― something less threatening (heywood), Thursday, 4 May 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

some people in the comments thread there also see A-L as being punished for having extra-marital sex

not too hard to leap to that conclusion is it? that episode practically followed the Friday the 13th type plotline to the letter

plus, hmm, who is the only other person who had sex on the island ... oh yeah! Shannon! whatever happened to her?

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 4 May 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

who is the only other WOMAN, you mean. Cuz Sayid and Sawyer are both breathing fine.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 May 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

true

just saying, the "punished for sex" idea would occur to anyone who's seen Scream, not just religious 'wingers

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 4 May 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

but I don't agree with who you've labeled as "good" and "bad". I think "goodness," according to the Others, is defined not only by one's actions, but by their capacity to grow as people on the island.

I think you're making this more complicated than it needs to be. The "bad people" are most likely the people that they know have been criminals. It's all about who they were before they were brought to the island.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

So Bernard, Ana-Lucia, Eko, and Libby were all "known" criminals?

You still haven't said where you think the missing "good" people have gone. (Sorry, still curious.)

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

What are you talking about? I think that you're very confused. The others never got all the people that they wanted - they never successfully culled either group. If you recall, the last time they sent people to abduct members of Ana Lucia's group, Eko and A-L killed a few of them, and the rest ran away.

I imagine that they were most certainly aware of Ana-Lucia and Mr. Eko's murderous pasts.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

I have no idea where they've taken the "good people." I haven't seen anything you haven't! But it seems logical that they just took them to where they are. "Walt is fine," says Mr. Friendly. Yeah, probably so.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

No, I guess you're potentially right - they even took that last Aussie woman from the tailies group when they were walking to join the main group of survivors. I was just trying on the idea that both Bernard and Libby potentially had criminal pasts that we didn't know about.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

the whole "punished for sex" thing would have to read as "punished for extra-marital sex". see: Jin and Sun

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Arzt didn't even get a chance to get any.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

A couple of twists i'd like to see happen. Jacks dad is not dead and his "death" was staged by the Hanso Foundation to get Jack on the plane, and bring him to the island.

Aussie girl flight attendant also in on the Hanso games, and was a mole who returned to the Others by choice, rather than being snatched.

I think Michael is still working on purely selfish grounds, and sees setting Henry free as his only method of having Walt returned.

Earlier in the series, when the Others came and stole the children from the tailies, didn't they try to take Eko, but he overpowered them and killed them? And the list that Ana-Lucia found in the pocker of the woman she killed, had the names of all of them rather than just the "good" ones? Maybe i'm misremembering though.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

So, Jessie, you would argue that the children are taken because they haven't made the moral mistakes yet that would mark them as bad and therefore allow growth? (Because obviously children have the most potential for growth.) Also Henry definitely gave the impression that the capacity to change was not something universally accepted among the Others.
As an aside, I hardly see Michael killing even one person to be a sign of growth or goodness. Unless he is brainwashed and/or we're totally misreading what good/bad stuff, he's fucked. (Although the Calvinist in me LOVES the idea that A-L was written off because of bad Girlfighter karma.)

-- someone let this mitya out! (mitya_il...), May 4th, 2006 10:42 AM. (mitya) (later) (link)

I read Henry's statements regarding the capacity to change as referring specifically to Ana-Lucia, but obviously that's not the only possible interpretation. When I mentioned Michael as a candidate for growth, I was referring to his transition from Worst Dad Ever in the first season to half-decent. But obviously shooting people probably has an effect on things. :D

The "bad people" are most likely the people that they know have been criminals.

But aren't the only "known criminals" Sawyer, Kate, Ana-Lucia, Eko, and kind of Charlie? Jin did some sketched out stuff, but the messages on the Hanso number given out last night pretty much confirm Sun's dad is in with Hanso, so that might not really count. I definitely don't have everyone's backstory memorized, but that's kind of a high ratio of good people to bad people.

Dmun, I believe you're right on the first point, but the list definitely just had the "good" people on it (I think the names of those already gone were marked out?) not totally sure though.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

But aren't the only "known criminals" ...

but dude, the way the flashbacks are doled out we have no idea what else is hiding in people's backstories, Jin or Jack or Locke or anyone else

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 4 May 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Who was the blonde woman that Jack's dad was arguing with in the rain in Australia? Was Jack's Dad sleeping with Jack's ex? My head hurts.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

No it was an Australian woman. It's been speculated that it is Claire's mother and that Jack's father is therefore also Claire's father although it could just be the woman Claire thinks is her mother but really Claire was grown in a vat so she could birth to The Golden Child.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I think we're forgetting.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Say_Anything_Poster.jpg + http://www.telechimp.com/telechimp/images/hurley.jpg

― cws (cws), Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

I am trying to anyway. I hope more people get killed and/or beaten next week. This week was great!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

This probably would've been more revelatory live-blogging, but someone just pointed out to me that Michael had a rifle when he left the camp (rings true - don't remember for sure) but he didn't have one when he came back. Obviously he could've lost it, but it's hard to imagine the crazy Michael we've grown to love not attacking the camp he described if he had a gun.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 4 May 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I've got to say that I really feel bad for Michael. That guy has worse luck than everyone, even Hurley.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 4 May 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

That old doctor guy was jack's dad? This changesnothreing.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 4 May 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

but dude, the way the flashbacks are doled out we have no idea what else is hiding in people's backstories, Jin or Jack or Locke or anyone else

-- Renard (drenard...), May 4th, 2006 6:55 PM. (Renard) (later) (link)

I hope Bernard and Rose were cross-country serial killers.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 5 May 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha

i'm just glad Michael didnt spend the whole episode yelling WAALLLTTTT!!!

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 5 May 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

argghh I just read some of that Hanso foundation web game crap, I am so gonna get sucked into that

dammit

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 5 May 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

The only character who can't die id Sayid, because it wouldn't be a JJ Abrahms product without torture, MI: 3 included.

By Season 4, everone will die but Sayid, who will then torture the polar bear,

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 5 May 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

On behalf of the t0rr3ntORZ, who are coming to this later than those who could watch it as it was broadcast, can I just say WOW. I didn't see that coming.

I have a feeling the blankets will hold the key to Libby actually surviving, which might make Michael's arm injury a bit harder to explain than he was hoping.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:33 (nineteen years ago)

were they blankets? i thought she was holding some kind of pack with the wine in it. did anyone else notice the dripping noises immediately after she was shot?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 5 May 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

what actually was revealed in AL's flashback. not a great deal about AL. that Jack's dad has another kid. that's about it.

i can't see Michael deliberatley shooting AL as something he'd think up in a "perhaps this will help persuadre them to give me back walt", there has to have been a specific deal of some kind. now it couldn't be "if you kill AL" (could it?) but it did look to be specifically her as he seemed so surprised at getting Libby too. or was that me "projecting" my own surprise?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 5 May 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

just glad Michael didnt spend the whole episode yelling WAALLLTTTT!!!

no but he did do the "they took my boy. they TOOK... MY boy" thing

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 5 May 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

were they blankets? i thought she was holding some kind of pack with the wine in it. did anyone else notice the dripping noises immediately after she was shot?

Following the picnic fiasco she said she was going to get blankets and told Hurley to find Bernard and Rose because they had found wine on the palette and knew where it was. I noticed the dripping but it seemed to be coming from above - stray bullet ricochets off something and cracking a pipe, maybe?

As to Michael's killing of AL, I think it's definitely a "mission" like those Henry, Ethan and the guy with the tail-enders were on. Access to Wet Walt may have had something to do with persuading him.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 5 May 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I could see it again - I really saw this as getting access to (freeing) Henry, and A-L just happened to be the one who was left behind. And i didn't pick up any signal that he knew Henry was there before A-L told him.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

Meaning that if he had a mission it would've been "Get the survivors to attack our camp." Maybe that included "even if you have kill someone there to provoke them to violence."

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

i thought she was holding some kind of pack with the wine in it.

Libby was meant to get the blankets, she told chunk to go get wine from Rose and Renard. (oh, xpost)

I agree that this ep was the best in a long long time. At the beginning, when Henry was trying to kill AL, I was thinking "yay! She's going to die at last!". Then I was disappointed when she didn't. So when it flipped again, and she did, that was great.

I really wish people here could stop talking about the previews though. I know most people watch them anyway, but for those of us who don't, having them discussed really spoils things. Like, at the end of this episode, it wasn't quite clear to me whether Michael had turned the gun on himself to hurt or to kill, but then I come here, and people mention him being alive next week, and there it is, a big bunch of the fun vanishes instantly. Couldn't they go in a separate thread or something? Or at least get big SPOILER WARNINGS shoved in front of them?

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

annoying coming in to all this...discussion, late

I read some of it

thought, at first, that michael was describing the other others--the ones we saw creepin through the forest, superquietly, w/ the kid in tow, etc, who don't seem v much like the pan's people others/dharma people proper others

suppose he could still be describing them but it's less certain since, I guess, he's been given instructions, etc

don't think michael is brainwashed, at all, just promised walt back but we know he won't just be given him.

michael was in shock, after he shot ana-lucia and, doubly so, after libby

libby has to be dead, too, doesn't she? no lead-lined picnic blankets. also, she walked all the way from the beach, to the hatch, for blankets? but, yeah, doesn't she have to be dead to start starring in a diff TV series, that she had signed up for? a many-folded picnic blanker COULD stop the bullets, I guess, if the show wanted it to but...I'd rather it didn't

someone, up thread, said "this horrible crime"! libby was a mistake, ana-lucia was a horrible person/character and deserved to die (your basic crime & punishment riff, I guess (although it is a bit boring to talk about (slightly less than the "sawyer is wolerine!!!" stuff))) and the others wouldn't have had much to do, to convince michael of that--the way she acted and the way she shot shannon, etc

libby's face, when hurley said "maybe if I get drunk enough...". perhaps it's just as well she got shot, too

think not-henry wasn't lying to locke about him being on the list, v much, but, more than that, think locke was kind of flattered, whether it was true or not

I wondered, too, when jack's dad was looking for his daughter, about a sister for jack. supposed it COULD be claire but the woman we saw him arguing w/ seemed a bit young to be claire's mum

so, what has michael done? shot himself in the shoulder, letting not-henry escape and blaming ana-lucia & libby on him? hoping that walt will just be returned, after? or is he planning on following not-henry, back to the others, and just...trying to get walt, again?

I think they should decide not to do "next ep" previews, w/ this show (not that the downloaders get to see them, really (but you guys are referring to and discussing them, I think))

the adverts they were running, before season two started, here, were rubbish and v v spoiley

this was an exciting ep

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

JimD absolutely otm! My favourite thing about torrenting Lost is you don't have to choose whether to watch them or not - they're just not there. A couple of times they've been left on, resulting in pausing the video and discussing whether to watch it or not. Half of us do, half don't. Inevitably, the second we get back in the room, the guys who watched it tells us how great it was, and exactly what happened.

huge rjg xpost

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

the adverts they were running, before season two started, here, were rubbish and v v spoiley

Completely agree with this too. When series 2 started in America, we torrented it expecting "more of the same old Lost", and being completely shocked just by the intro sequence. UKers watching on C4 start watching knowing that "everything's going to change", and having seen the inside of the hatch and lots of the new characters on the trailer!

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Just rewatched the deaths, michael looks just as upset post-AL as he does post-libby, but with libby he just looks shocked as well. Also, when you hear drips, post-libby, you can see them too, falling into a puddle a few feet behind her.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

although it is a bit boring to talk about (slightly less than the "sawyer is wolverine!!!" stuff

I know this is supposed to be a SERIOUS discussion, but I kind of prefer the X-Men tangent to all the stuff about Good and Evil.

Maybe Libby will linger in her death throes long enough to finger Michael as the shooter.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe the whole story about the actress signing onto another show is a HANSA-PERPETUATED FICTION designed to fuck with our minds.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

FUCKTION

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

I read somewhere that the actors' contracts (or some of them) are going to be different next year, meaning that there will be much more of this "what is charlie up to, we haven't seen him in 5 episodes" kind of stuff. From that perspective, it is possible that we'll still be seeing Libby next year. Unlikely, admittedly, but possible.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot that you can watch streaming versions of the episodes the day after original broadcast at http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing. anyone tried this yet?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Book by Lost phantom author Gary Troup finds an audience outside TV
By Hillel Italie
NEW YORK (AP) — Gary Troup, a name known to fans of the hit TV drama Lost, has joined a special club that includes the likes of Ellen Rimbauer and Marcie Walsh: “authors” of books by television characters.
In Wednesday night’s episode of the ABC hit show about plane crash survivors on a remote island, the con man Sawyer, played by Josh Holloway, is seen reading an advance copy of fellow passenger Gary Troup’s Bad Twin. Sawyer, an odd bookworm, describes it as a whodunit he’s anxious to finish.
Troup has been missing since the plane went down, but a copy of his book just happened to land a while back in the offices of Hyperion Books, which, like ABC, is owned by the Walt Disney Company. Bad Twin, billed as Troup’s “final novel before disappearing Oceanic Flight 815,” was published this week.
“We got this manuscript from this guy and we couldn’t reach him. He apparently got on this plane in Australia and has been lost at sea,” says Hyperion president Bob Miller, trying his best to play it straight.
Gary Troup is a true mystery man, his name an anagram for Purgatory. But someone claiming to be the author shows up in a promotional video linked to the Bad Twin page on Amazon.com, and Miller himself provides a blurb: “Sure to be a classic of the genre.”
ABC and Hyperion have had other joint projects. The Diary of Ellen Rimbauer, a prequel to the 2002 miniseries Red Rose, recorded the thoughts of a magnate’s wife trapped in a spooky Seattle mansion. Ellen Rimbauer was a bestseller written by novelist Ridley Pearson, a good friend of the character’s inventor, Stephen King. Pearson also is rumoured to have written Bad Twin.
Marcie Walsh is a recurring character on One Life to Live who on the show was writing a police thriller, The Killing Club, that actually ended up in stores, in 2005. The program’s former head writer, Michael Malone, is listed as co-author.
With Lost attracting millions of viewers, Hyperion has big expectations for Bad Twin, announcing a first printing of 365,000. Wednesday night’s show gave the book a strong but unspectaular bump, from 311 to 67 on Amazon.com’s best seller list.
“We’re hoping to see it grow from that as the show goes on,” Miller said.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 5 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Libby will linger in her death throes long enough to finger Michael as the shooter.

I read this as "long enough to finger Michael in the shooter," and thought you were being really filthy. Thanks Hanso you weren't.

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Friday, 5 May 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Is Jessie actually Dr. Melfi from "The Sopranos"?

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 5 May 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Is Jessie actually Dr. Melfi from "The Sopranos"?
-- aimurchie (kpcollin...), May 5th, 2006 12:46 PM. (aimurchie) (later) (link)

Damn I've been caught.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 5 May 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

You know, blankets or no, getting shot in the stomach doesn't automatically mean that you're instantly dead!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 5 May 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to see you survive getting shot in the stomach sort of

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 May 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Surviving is one thing, dying immediately is another!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 5 May 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

OK I'd like to see you die immediately then

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 May 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Who are you?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 5 May 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

I sent you an e-mail once

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 May 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

That narrows it down, anonymous aggressive person!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 5 May 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

you're a fanny

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 May 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

how could you not know who he is?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 5 May 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

aggressive yes. anonymous no.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 5 May 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/997/lostanddrive8im.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

i can't see Libby being dead just yet - not after the way they built things up so slowly with her and Hurley. just seems wrong and doesn't quite fit the show to be THAT wtf shocking - but if so then cool i guess.

i am sad and disturbed about all this - which is good i guess. glad Michael is not dead.

RIP Ana Lucia, an amazing wonderful person [/rjg troll]

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

things i don't like:

1) Swayer not realising his gun had gone...and how would you sit down and read with a gun strapped to your buttocks anyway? ridic.

2) suddenly Ana Lucia loses her killing touch? after what these people did/caused? it just doesn't quite fit, again.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

If Libby really is dead, what was the point of the flashbacks where shes in the same hospital as Hurley. A mighty red herring? One explanation i thought of was that she is/was working for Hanso and was tracking and researching Hurley before the crash. If that turns out to be true, then Michael killing her would probably cancel out setting free Henry, and therefore he wouldnt get back his boy.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

point the first: one of the articles i read about cynthia watros said she's technically guest-starring on that CBS thing because of her commitment to lost. and so far it's just a pilot, which is not exactly a sure thing. so she might linger longer than expected.

it would be totally this show if she goes into some kind of shooting-related coma and michael tries to figure out how to off her with jack and locke hovering over her in the hatch, eh?

(all i want is for a fat brother to get some love, you know?)

― GOD PUNCH TO TROUBLE FUNK EXPRESS (yournullfame), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

they cannot kill off all the blonde hottness on the show.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 5 May 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

[token claire joke]

there's more to look forward to. i have read in several places that the show is designed so that new characters can be brought in (and old ones written out) at any point. so we are supposed to expect new characters in season three, with the easy explanation being other survivors from the main group who we just haven't seen yet. so there's always room for more blonde hotness.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 5 May 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

(all i want is for a fat brother to get some love, you know?)

How is her dying going to stop that?

― Dan (DARK) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 May 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

HE'D PROBABLY EAT HER FIRST

― GOD PUNCH TO SORRY (yournullfame), Friday, 5 May 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

perpetua is a v selective reader

it would be just hurley's luck for him to finally get a girl and for that girl to quickly get shot dead

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 May 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

The viewers will not stand for that, hence the importance of a prolonged invalid phase, where Hurley will take her temperature and change her bandages and get over all his bashfulness.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 5 May 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

The viewers will not stand for that

Ha!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 6 May 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Libby is a Dharma mole. She's on the Hanso Foundation board of directors. Check the website. The name has been changed to "Liddy" and the picture is gone, but apparently she was pictured there when the new Hanso website went live.

― John Cocktolstoy (John Cocktolstoy), Saturday, 6 May 2006 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

of course changing the name to Liddy would throw people off the scent.

it would be just hurley's luck for him to finally get a girl and for that girl to quickly get shot dead

good point, but this would be the first time a character we know relatively well is directly affected by his curse.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 6 May 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

So, em, this is all very interesting, and I have only just watched the torrent today.

Here are the votes from the Accentmonkey jury.

Sayid count low, but good as he was doing physical work and wearing a cleanish vest.
Jack's dad is the one controlling everything. I don't care if Jack apparently did see his dead body, I reckon he's alive and he's running the show.
I would be heartily amused if the Libby shooting was kind of a joke based on her real-life conviction for drink-driving.
I hope that Anna Lucia is gone. Everything about her annoys me, down to the way she turns her head when someone talks to her. It reminds me of Orlando Bloom and is irritating.
Michael really does think that they can take The Others. He is not lying, I don't think he's good enough to lie. But Jack and Kate should see through that, because they know that the whole tatty clothes, we're so decrepit thing is a ruse.
Maybe Locke's dad is in cahoots with Jack's dad.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 6 May 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

Are there any good dads in the show?

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 6 May 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Locke is such a tart for the Others; "finally I am the cool one and I can join the club, in your face Jack! In your face Australian walkabout prick!"

Gale has not had a difficult job manipulating Locke by any means.

I can't decide about Michael, is he completely working for the Others and thus his story about the embarassing dried fish cuisine of the Others is made up to lure Jack and co into doing something stupid.

On reflection, I guess it's possible that Michael himself was still deciding how he would free Henry, then an opportunity presented itself with the gun.

I suspect Michael will be the silent traitor for the finale now, I suppose that's obvious, and maybe there'll be a big suspenseful moment of decision for him involving more death to his friends versus getting Walt back. Though unlike others above I think I'd like another scene or two with Michael screaming "WAAAALLLLT" and thrashing through the jungle.

Hurley's parts in this episode were kind of crap and cloying, and not funny, which they usually are. Jin's "thumbs up" saved the day.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

Good dads, hmm. Michael? Maybe Jin (though we won't know that for a while)?

All in all, with double House and Ana Lucia buying the farm (hopefully), it's been a good TV week for me.

In Locke's case, though, is not a more understandable "finally, someone wants me in their gang"? Also, let's not forget that he still sees the Others as some sort of part of the island, and the island did cure him, so maybe he thinks they have the answers to that.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I guess I'm just disappointed in Locke being so docile.

Jack is at a weird point now, nothing has happened to him in ages, and he just seems to be there to go bananas everytime someone else does something dumb.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley's parts in this episode were kind of crap and cloying

OTM. First time I've not enjoyed watching him. And I'm dreading the fat blubbering that we'll no doubt get once he finds out about libby (dead or not).

Maybe Jin (though we won't know that for a while)?

Even if Jin isn't a good dad himself, he seems to have one. His dad is that salt-of-the-earth fisherman dude.

― JimD (JimD), Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

Pre-hatch Locke—Locke the woodsman, though childless, was a stand-in for the dad everyone wishes they had, accident with Boone notwithstanding. Hatch-Locke is a little diminished. He needs fresh air. He needs to get out and hunt some crafty boar.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

On reflection, I guess it's possible that Michael himself was still deciding how he would free Henry, then an opportunity presented itself with the gun.

thing is Michael could've just ordered Ana Lucia into the armoury and then Libby too, whilst freeing 'Henry'. He didn't have to kill Ana Lucia unless a) it was some condition set by the Others, which seems unlikely (why target her? because she is seen as one of the more dangerous ones having killed Goodwin amongst others? perhaps) or b) Michael just didn't trust himself to pull off freeing 'Henry' and keeping Ana Lucia from stopping him alive. he didn't shoot AL in a panic, it seemed very calculated (not so Libby of course).

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

The other explanation, though, is that he had to free Henry while staying behind in the camp. Killing A-L would be one of the few ways to guarantee that no-one would be able to finger him for the escape. Perhaps he was also pressed for time - e.g., the Others say "We will kill Walt in 12 hours if Henry isn't back."

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

i guess i let the plot hang a bit looser than some ppl here - i dont michael's mission involves having a specific hitlist or anything besides framing up a suitable case for angry hasty attack on falsely described others, so the whats and whys of who dies and whether they are part of the good/bad matrix seem pretty circumstancial to me at least - michael's kinda making this up as he goes along, basically, with the dubious promise of getting walt back all he has left.(course, why would it matter to him whose side he ends up on, as long as walt's there with him?)

(xp duh - the murder is calculated, the murdered is whoever's around)

so now mike stays behind, magicks up more lies, watches everyone rush into ambush. the interesting thing now 4 me, is henry: i kinda believed him somehow (no reason to, granted) when he said the others and partic "the great man" (NB. PLZ GOD DON'T TRY PULL A USUAL SUSPECTS AND HAVE HENRY AS BIG BOSS MAN ALL ALONG FFS) dont care, would kill him anyway for failing. the possibility of henry as rogue element is intriguing, and if libby isnt immediately dead, i can imagine something like henry taking her with him as desperate bargaining tool or whatever etc etc - she'll die no doubt, but there might be another episode in her yet.

it would be just hurley's luck for him to finally get a girl and for that girl to quickly get shot dead

yeah. im getting the feeling that the season finale will focus on hurley, doing something or other.

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

also wow, this '2 sets of others aha' lark barely crosses my mind - i dont get why ppl are so sure of it

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

the return of desmond is gonna be good tho, i can feel it

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

it better be after such a long wait.

still only one appearance from 'Cerberus' - such a regular feature in season 1 but not this time. still disappoints, but i'm sure they're building up to something good with it.

(xp duh - the murder is calculated, the murdered is whoever's around)

yes but we have yet to see why murder is really necessary, in Michael's case so the theories behind his actions and attitude remain interesting.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

i dont michael's mission involves having a specific hitlist or anything besides framing up a suitable case for angry hasty attack on falsely described others

the only problem with this is that, as far as we could tell, the group were already gearing up for an attack. nothing michael had saw or heard at that point would have suggested that they wouldn't go with him and mount an attack. (even jack and locke seemed to be on the same page.) perhaps killng A-L and Henry escaping would put more wind in their sails, but still, it seems overkill to me if that's all it is.

xpost to John Cocktolstoy, way up there:

This is the first I've seen anywhere saying that Libby's picture was actually on the Hanso website. Where did you get that from? People are definitely speculating that the unpictured "Liddy Wales" is actually our Libby Nolastname, but I can't believe they'd actually have her picture up there.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with Zemko re 2 sets of others, no way, one of the few things that seems explicitly clear is that the Others are determined to fake being castaways with simple means etc.

Also as was sorta pointed out, Michael did have to kill Ana Lucia since his plan or mission or whatever involves staying with the group and not being found out as the one who released Henry Gale.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 6 May 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

We also thought maybe Jack's dad's not dead (and that's why he saw him on the island in series 1) and is IN CAHOOTS with the Others! That's probably just what they want you to think, though.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 6 May 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

The background people have it so good on this show. After being fodder for the first couple of episodes their lives are now just an idyllic tropical vacation, with basically no involvement in all the violence and death that happens to the Face characters.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 6 May 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Are you sure? They could be raping and killing each other for all we know.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 6 May 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

and that's why he saw him on the island in series 1

What "visions" of that kind have there been on the island?
1. Boone saw Shannon (hallucination)
2. Shannon saw Walt (she insisted he was real)
3. Jack saw his father (implied halluncination, but can we know for sure either way?)
4. Hurley saw "Dave" (hallucination)

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 6 May 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

5. Kate's horse

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 6 May 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the other reason i don't wanna overdwell on the good/bad thing right now (at least as a character-driven issue rather than general series theme) is the big long-forgotten fuss about walt having SUPER PSYCHIC POWERZ or something, that has to come back into it at some point right?

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

really the closer we get to the end the more naffed off in advance i get at realising there's no way there'll be any progress with even half of these plot strands >:(

― rtcotm (mwah), Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Walt is the brilliant but unforgiving man!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

really the closer we get to the end the more naffed off in advance i get at realising there's no way there'll be any progress with even half of these plot strands

the writer's are very good at rewarding the viewers for all our time spent watching the show. remember when we first saw the film in the hatch? something big is going to happen VERY soon.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Walt is the brilliant but unforgiving man!

I have a new theory

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

At first I was in the "oh, they are making it up as they go along" camp (and I definitely feel like they kinda were through some of season 1), but watching season 2 unfold it is very clear to me that they have very detailed plans at least through the end of the next season, and they have paced the storyline for this season very well as far as I am concerned. They set up a few things, and now they are resolving them, and setting up another set of plots for the next season. It's all been pretty sensible.

I just read a couple dozen posts so I'm not sure who was speculating the the new characters for season 3 would come from the other survivors who have been in the background - I think that's really really unlikely in light of comments from Lindelof and Cuse who have strongly implied that the new regulars would be Dharma-centric. Some are set to be introduced in the finale, and others are apparently coming out of the Hanso website thing.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 6 May 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm the speculator. My comment was more intended to say that we should expect new characters in season 3, just as we got new blood in season 2. I guess I expected one of our lovable ILX trolls to pop up with a smart remark like "don't tell me that next september they're going to find ANOTHER section of the plane that broke off and miraculously landed on the island" or something like that.

I'm still curious what you speculate the fate of the culled "good" people has been during this time, Matthew? Alive but co-opted and somehow bound to the Others, like Rousseau's daughter Alex? Imprisoned? Spirited off the island? Dead?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

"don't tell me that next september they're going to find ANOTHER section of the plane that broke off and miraculously landed on the island"

That actually reminds me. I did wonder recently how the tail managed to land on a beach on one side of the island, the mid section on the beach on the other side of the island, yet the nose was in the jungle in the middle.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

MAGIC

― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 6 May 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

30 mins to go, people!!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

EKO AND LOCKE WORKING TOGETHER YAY

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

the man who gives eko the passport is kelvin?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

Jessie speaks too soon!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

I love it when Sawyer is the voice of reason.

And yes, I am sad that the Men of Faith dream team is not what I was hoping.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

SHUT UP LOCKE SHUT UP LET'S GO TO THE QUESTION MARK

― Jessie the Worst Liveblogger Evar (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

Please do not tell me that the question mark is just the frigging plane.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

Two people on the island have died because of Locke? Hm.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

Michael is scared. Will he need to finish the job? Will he get the chance to?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

...while we were FUCKING!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

More of these visions. What's the deal?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

oh, gullible me. just a dream. and now they're working together, jessie.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

Boone did it, it can't be that difficult.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

Aha! Is that Claire's psychic?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

What does he see!?!?!!?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

They're not actually on an island?

In theory he's looking back over where they came from, right?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley's curse!

That hardly looked guilty to me, Michael!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

YES!!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

All kinds of details:

1. 1980
2. The doctor seems to have hands in this film, whereas - as I recall - there was much suggestion previously that one arm was artificial.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

So this has to end with her saying "Michael did it" or something, right?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Who knkows the numbers?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone seen anything on sublymonal.com yet? Or are we just being experimented on?

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

it gives a code, probably to something on thehansofoundation.org

Heir Apparent

― lemin (lemin), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

What is sublymonal.com?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

a sprite advertisment

― ai lien (kold_krush), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

how are we supposed to know about that site?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

Because it was on a fake commercial for the Hanso Foundation just before the last segment.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

How did I miss that?! Ack!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

This is so fucking screwy. The Hanso ad also aired during the Bird Flu movie -- How are we supposed to know to watch that? These fuckers are crazy if they think I'm going to watch ABC all the time just to get clues -- and all the additional "information" in the website game has already been blogged. Yeesh.

What did people think of the episode, or all we all watching Invasion?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

The sublymonal site gives the password for a section on the Hanso site. (Click each screen the number of times for each number 4 8 15 16 23 42)

Did anyone else notice that in the Orientation video for the Pearl, the doctor's name was "M(something, I forget) Wickman" instead of "Marvin Candle"?

The "Michael...*dies*" thing was SUCH a copout man. But the whole Locke/Eko "Man of Faith and Man of MORE FAITH" thing made me happy.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 11 May 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

i think it was mark wickman.

agreed on the "M...M....MICHAEL!" "michael's just fine" thing.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 11 May 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

prediction for candle/wickman's next name: marlo waxtaper.

i'm going to have to watch this episode again before i can say anything useful about it. the "OMFG NU HATCH!" rush overshadows everything else.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 11 May 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

my tivo cut off the last oh minute or so, just as hurley asked to see libby. can anyone give me the play by play? is that it, above?

― something less threatening (heywood), Thursday, 11 May 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

he told her he was sorry he forgot the blankets, she opened her eyes, she sputtered "Micheal", jack said, "michael is ok", she died. the end.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 11 May 2006 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

Michael looks ominously into camera!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 11 May 2006 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

Jack and Kate should have been suspicious of the anxious way Michael kept asking if Libby had "said anything."

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 11 May 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

for those who want to rewatch and didn't record, abc has been streaming videos of some shows (inc. lost):

http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

(hint: works better with IE then Firefox)

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 11 May 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

Jack and Kate should have been suspicious of the anxious way Michael kept asking if Libby had "said anything."

What's surprising to me is how bad the actor who plays Michael is at pretending to be acting. He gave the whole thing away last episode by being just a little too obviously shifty-eyed. It's like he can't help broadcasting, "Hey, I'm up to something."

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 11 May 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

More Hanso crap
According to the Lost and Gone forever blog
at the end of mission impossible III there is a thank you
to the Hanso foundation

so maybe hanso foundation is just a front the sciXntolXgiXts?

― wwweb (jbweb), Thursday, 11 May 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Or Sprite.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 11 May 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

i don't have too much too say about this ep really. i found this brill flickr with loadsa innnnnteresting stills tho, some of this stuff is hilarious

http://static.flickr.com/53/127257995_31ac2a9751.jpg

like, who saw that one!

― rtccc (mwah), Thursday, 11 May 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

also duh how did i not pay more mind to the huge and extremely sinister tattoo on jack's arm totally visible in every episode ever

― rtccc (mwah), Thursday, 11 May 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

yr all gonna pile in now and tell me u knew about all of this arent u

(the dharma shark is still bollocks, i dont care what anyone says)

― rtccc (mwah), Thursday, 11 May 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

locke was kinda rubbish this week actually - he spends the whole series desperate for father fate to show him the way and then appears unsurprised when eko comes up to him talking about his ? door cos he saw it in a dream? what gives!

also his "EKO WAIT my dream ended with your dea- oh nevermind he's off" was a bit dodgy still haha

― rtccc (mwah), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

i sort of agree, and sort of not. It took Eko too long to tell Locke that he'd seen it in a dream. I think Locke would've reacted more differently if Eko had said something quickly at the very beginning. Instead it was just "John, tell me X" "No" "Okay then I will head butt you."

But I guess they had to write it that way, else everything would've been too easy.

Now that Locke has lost his faith, is he still "good?"

I agree with whoever wrote upthread that we need more of the boar-hunting John, but I guess that will have to wait until next season, if at all.

I may eat by words in a week, but Michael deserves to die.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're nuts, this was easily one of my top three for the season! I mean, last week was exciting and surprising, but this gave me more of what I want - in particular, John Locke finally verbalizing all the things I like about him in his little monologue to Mr. Eko.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

It's going to be really really interesting once they crush Eko's faith as well. It definitely seems as though he's being manipulated and guided for the purpose of running damage control on the Dharma project.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

i freaked out at ANOTHER HATCH! okay, not freaked out, but it was exciting, damn. and so how Libby didn't say Michael did it but did die with the most horrific look on her face wasn't something?? but i guess they interpreted that as the death face rather than the there's a killer among you and he shot me face. it was a good episode. only two more to go!

i just got realllly caught up in that screen shots flickr site.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 May 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

My question: if Dharma wanted the Losties to get into the Swan/start entering the numbers to make them part of that specific experiment, why did the Dharma people also instruct Locke/Eko(through dreams) to find the Pearl and therefore find out about the Swan experiment?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 11 May 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Pearls before Swan?

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 11 May 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

But Michael the actor is good, because I think Michael the character would be a bad actor!

So, I assume that Locke won't be saying "hey dudes, I found this other hatch where I can monitor your every move" for a long, long time.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

my big questions are where does that vacuum tube go to (must be a physical place elsewhere on the island where the Big Bosses are / were) .... and what is cut out of the video at the point where Candle / Wickman says "at the end of your three-week mission" -- then it cuts off. Or something like that. Seems he might have been telling them where to go to get picked up and leave the island? I need to watch this episode again.

After the way the Swan hatch was doled out over the entire last season I couldn't believe they had Locke and Eko find the question mark, find the hatch, dig it up, go down in it, and watch the training film!! holy cow.

one last speculation -- Libby not really dead, a la the drowning victim who came back to life at her autopsy. (And that really was Claire's psychic right? and who's Kelvin again?)

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

also, since the Others were apparently not inhabiting the question mark, that means they are not pulling the strings of the whole operation, right? they seem to have a little more self-knowledge than the people in the Swan -- i.e. they know about Alvar Hanso and seem to know that they are carrying out experiments -- but in the end they are just another hatch like the Swan, not the overlords watching over ALL the hatches.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

That was my thought about the vacuum tube, too. They made a point of showing up that there is a camera filming what's going on in the Pearl, too. I am surprised that after Locke watched the film he didn't wonder where his "map" zoomed off to, and who, if anyone, got it.

Kelvin was, um... what's his name's - Desmond! Desmond's partner in the hatch. We never saw him.

Wihtout showing anything concrete, the preview did a great job of reinforcing the suggestion that "at the end of your three-week mission" you get off the island. Plus there's still that Other Boat that needs to come back into play.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

I still think there's some possibility of two groups. One group is actually puling the strings, and they are at the end of the pneumatic tube.

Another group is living on the surface of the island, for whatever reason.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

I want to know what happened to motherfuckin' Desmond.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

no.

i dunno why ppl are all like whoa about another hatch, surely its the least creative thing possible they coulda thought of?!

― rtccc (mwah), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

so did anyone follow this week's clues from the ad? sublymonal.net gives you the password, which when put into the newsletter sign-up forms gets a message that says to call the number in the hanso foundation ad. anyone get anywhere with this? anything new?

― something less threatening (heywood), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

bloggers are solving the clues almost as fast as they are released. i won't clutter this thread with them, but google knows all. (you might want to discuss this on the separate Lost Experience thread).

xpost:
i think it's less 'whoa another hatch' than the fact that they found the hatch, opened it and explored (apparently) the whole thing within like 40 minutes. but i certainly wasn't expecting '?' to be just another hatch.

btw, has anyone checked back against the map? is that actually the '?' or was one of the hatches labelled as the swan? because then the ? could still be missing and it could be where the pneumatic tube leads to.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

But Michael the actor is good, because I think Michael the character would be a bad actor!

OTM. michael always came across as a nervous, somewhat ineffectual sort and no matter what he's up to is totally out of his depth.

(where do the guys in "the pearl" pee, anyway? it looked like one room.)

sublymonal.net gives you the password, which when put into the newsletter sign-up forms gets a message that says to call the number in the hanso foundation ad.

actually, once you get the password move your mouse under the text beneath the 'screen' with the password and click - or just go to the hanso foundation website and look at the executive bios, click on mittelwerk (i think?), there's a text entry box floating in the middle.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

i think hatches are whoa b/c they're a great contrast to the wilderness of the island. and suggest inner workings, mechanisms of control. so we've got the faith/science theme as well as the nature/man (where "man" is also technology/control) theme that's unfolding. and i love the shots of the tunnels that go down into the hatches.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

I expected Locke to find a videotape or something and watch Michael shoot A.L. and Libby.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

They should start digging holes.

― Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 11 May 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

The ostensible purpose of the monitoring station hatch is so transparently false that I'm surprised it fooled Locke at all. If they had VCRs, what's the point of having two people constantly writing down their observations? What's the point of the disconnect between the monitoring people and whatever's on the other end of the pneumatic tube?
Assuming the whole place isn't just a feint devised specifically for people like Locke and Eko to find, then the monitors who used to inhabit it were obviously also research subjects themselves.

I really like how well the writers convey the feeling of those classic old social psychology experiments though.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

(I really feel like a geek for thinking about a TV show that much, but, whatever, why not?)

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

then the monitors who used to inhabit it were obviously also research subjects themselves.

That was my assumption, especially after they made a point of showing you the camera in that hatch as well. Although the task given in the Pearl was different - it made more sense - than the one in the Swan, it's basically the same when you boil it down: "Here's a task for you to fulfill, which you must do consistently and more or less without breaks for an extended period of time. We won't tell you why, other than to say it's important." Perhaps every hatch was the same way, just different tasks and/or different degrees of explanation.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

(Dan, I know, I know...)

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 May 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I expected Locke to find a videotape or something and watch Michael shoot A.L. and Libby.

OTM

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

"Oh no! BETA!"

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm looking back at the sketchy diagram Locke saw in UV...the episode suggests '?' = The Pearl, but surely the diagram would note '?' as The Pearl and it's purpose. The diagram has the C4/CVIV hatch labelled as The Pearl?

Shape of The Pearl from above matches Dharma logo = observation so apparent even I made it.

The Staff is where the Others took Claire right? the medical station.

The Flame hatch looks to be the one where Cerberus is 'controlled' or at least closest to.

Also intrigued by the note between 'CV III' and C4 - the 'primary nexus of Cerberus related activity' and the message 'liberte te ex inferus' (save you from hell?)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

(where do the guys in "the pearl" pee, anyway? it looked like one room.)

Pee and shit in the cannister and send it up the vacuum tube, but natch.

I wanted them to look at the videotape record of the shooting, and also see if they could spy on the Others' hatch!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Michael flashbacks next week, but will they be island-flashbacks? :0

Will Alex be in them?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

The season finale flashback is currently being listed as Desmond. OO-EE-OO.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

So then the season finale is NOT going to be a rerun, as discussed upthread? Maybe they've been reading this thread and became afeared of our wrath!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

The discussion upthread was nonsense. A joke, and you didn't get it. (Sorry.)

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 11 May 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond is perfect. Bookends, do you see?

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

But Michael the actor is good, because I think Michael the character would be a bad actor!

It's suble, I guess. I felt like the actor who was playing Michael the actor (his name is Harold Perrineau, BTW) overdid it just a little. I would have preferred to have been shocked -- shocked! -- when he shot Ana Lucia, but instead I was like, yeah, I saw that coming two commercial breaks ago, when he was talking about war but looked at the floor one too many times.

I guess we could also blame the director for this.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

from the preview it looked like michael's flashback next week is almost definitely on-island filling in the gap. interesting (though of course revealing nothing and not particularly meaty for anyone with internet access) stuff in ew this week.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

More Hanso crap
According to the Lost and Gone forever blog
at the end of mission impossible III there is a thank you
to the Hanso foundation
so maybe hanso foundation is just a front the sciXntolXgiXts?

One presumes it's the JJ Abrams connection.

Re: the pneumatic tube, presuming that the "monitors" are experimental subjects as well, the tube might empty right into the ocean for all we know. Which would be pretty funny.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

pneumatic tubes don't work that way right? they need a fan on both ends or something to control air pressure?

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

suckerfish

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Friday, 12 May 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

man, i would KILL for a still from that simpsons episode where the vacuum message system empties onto a giant mountain of those plastic tubes.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 12 May 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

ok the heir apparent code isnt working for me and the lost and gone forever blog isnt updated can someone please tell me what happens thank you

― city of gyros (chaki), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

emailed.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

There are plenty of blogs out there keeping track of what's going on with thehansofoundation.org and its related websites and this ARG if you guys want that info.

http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com/
http://www.thelostexperience.com/

That's just two, and I know on the first somewhere down in there they have links to the dozen or so other sites that have instant breakdown when something new happens.

Also there's an ILX thread on the game at lost the experience: it's not in the tree's it in the fictional websites

― cws (cws), Friday, 12 May 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

i think my brain is gonna explode. if it turns out that i have to watch the end of the next star trek movie that jj is directing to find out what everything means on lost i will cry.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 12 May 2006 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

The discussion upthread was nonsense. A joke, and you didn't get it. (Sorry.)

GOD! How amazingly sadistic and cruel! I'm LEAVING!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 12 May 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

next week's is episode 22 and then episode 23 and 24 are combined into one big finale after that right?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 12 May 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Whew! Finally got rid of Beth. :)

Yes, Konal one hour next week and then two hours in the final week. If anyone is looking for spoilers, ABC promotional shots for the final episode are out there on the interwebs. They suggest (to me) that at least one unlikely theory posted in this thread may be true. Mwah-hah-ha!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

we're not gonna see the smokemonster again are we :(

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 12 May 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

smokemonster = alvar hanso

walt = new body for alvar hanso

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

roxor

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Alvar Hanso in Klingonese means "pred ship"

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

we're not gonna see the smokemonster again are we :(

I can't believe we went a whole Locke-heavy Eko episode without any smokemonster appearances, actually! Biggest wind-up ever.

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Friday, 12 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Did people read the interviews with Cuse and Lindelof over at TV Guide: http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800001555.

On Libby's death: "We felt like we had run out of story for her." then they go on to talk about the mystery of her back story and how they plan to tell some of it, including (they hope) next season, but only through flashbacks. But she is dead.

In other words, they couldn't or wouldn't carry through on the romance with Hurley.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

"We felt like we had run out of story for her." then they go on to talk about the mystery of her back story

?????

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 13 May 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

exciting

so good to see ana-lucia dead for good. was slightly annoyed that she was in eko's dream but never mind

libby dead but, just after she was supposed to have died and jack closed her eyes, I think you can see her breathing and chest moving, quite obviously

poor old hurley "I'm sorry I forgot the blankets"

when they get into the pearl so easily, makes you wonder why the swan's hatch was so impregnable (only to have a shitty backdoor behind a bush)

am happy to let things unfold and not think too much about alvar hanso and the smokemonster and which station is which, etc, at the moment

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

when they get into the pearl so easily, makes you wonder why the swan's hatch was so impregnable (only to have a shitty backdoor behind a bush)

Maybe The Pearl has an impossible-to-open hatch, too, behind all the roots. You'd need to work with a pruning saw and lopper for months.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

...

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 13 May 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

where did this Pearl and Swan stuff come from?

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 13 May 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

the films

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 13 May 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

Did you go get a drink when the orientation video was on? (xpost)

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 13 May 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

no use talking abot it but how diff the show would be had locke & boone found the pearl before swan

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 13 May 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

I miss Boone.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 13 May 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

He was the heart of the show.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 13 May 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I miss shannon, too

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 13 May 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I want a Boone-Shannon flashback spinoff.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 13 May 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

they are dating in real life .... kinda icky, no?

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 13 May 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 13 May 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

how can one miss shannon and cheer the death of ana-lucia

madness

― rtccc (mwah), Saturday, 13 May 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

i'd hit ana-lucia out of the stadium into outer space frankly

― rtccc (mwah), Saturday, 13 May 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

yikes, and i thought i had the hots for her!

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 13 May 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

can't stand her

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

i admire her granite-like sour-puss. if she were a man, she would be a huge action star. like charles bronson.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

He wasn't sexy either.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

tell that to jill ireland. wait, you can't.

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

People, people. That's just poor taste.

I have nothing to add, except that Mister Monkey owes me a tenner if Jack's dad is still alive.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Shannon was rubbish. As was Boone really.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

they were OK and they were good-looking and they weren't really annoying

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 13 May 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

Kind of a strange episode. Can't help but feel they're holding back on the major drama for the finale, obviously, hence the lack of suspense with the new hatch and stuff.

Locke is at a weird juncture though, he's just found a new hatch because of a dream he had about Eco's brother, and then he goes all cynical and doubtful. I guess he feels guilt over the death of Ana Lucia.

Surely it can't be long before people wonder why Henry Gale killed Ana Lucia and Libby but only managed to shoot Michael in the arm.

Though I really felt that they were leading up to surveillance footage of Michael shooting them.

Henry Gale would never shoot someone anyway, he has far too much class for that, he is a born necksnapper/strangler.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think they will return to the Pearl hatch to find video footage when someone becomes suspicious about the shooting. Which they surely must do. Another thing they should wonder about is the fact that when Jack, Kate and Sawyer appeared, Michael was bursting out of the hatch as if it had just happened, but later said Gale had left 'about 20 minutes ago'.

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know - everything there looked so dusty. Somehow I doubt they'll find anything there -- I think the timing thing is more likely.

It will be interesting to see to what extent the post-faith Locke will follow through on his agreement to trust Jack and therefore tell him what's going on. It doesn't make any sense to us, but I can completely imagine Locke and Eko not telling people what they found. (Especially as they volunteered to go track notHenry, and not look for something that was on a map of the island that no one but Locke knew about.)

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

The preview at the end of last week's episode had Sayid being all "Michael is obviously lying" to Jack, so yeah they will probably get suspicious. Jack will still lead people off into the jungle to FIGHT (because he's a moron), but at least the people with some sense might be spared.

This is What Will Happen If Locke Tells Jack Abou the Pearl:
(Locke and Eko return to the Swan)
Jack: "Did you find Not-Henry??"
Locke: "Um...not exactly, Jack. See, we weren't ever actually looking for him. BUT WE FOUND A NEW HATCH."
Jack: "WHAT HE KILLED OUR PEOPLE HOW COULD YOU BETRAY OUR PEOPLE LIKE THIS WE MUST AVENGE THE DEATHS ARRRRRR."
Michael: (looks guilty)
Eko: "But I had a dream, Jack! It told me I must tell Locke to lead me to the hatch! My brother told me to! Ana-Lucia told me to!"
Locke: "And we found very important things in the hatch! You should see them! There's another film! ...also Michael has been acting a little sketched out and his claim that the Others are unarmed and small in number makes absolutely no sense considering what they've showed themselves capable of doing."
Jack: "mwaaaaarrrr...revenge....science...arrr..arrr" (explodes)

And that is why Locke never tells Jack anything. He would explode.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

*shown, rather. Locke's grammar is not as bad as mine after less than 5 hours sleep, I'm sure.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

they were OK and they were good-looking and they weren't really annoying

Yes, I miss the pretty.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, what will probably happen is that Michael will start shouting "We're going to get MY BOY!" and they'll leave before Locke and Eko get back.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

must i remind you that jack is always right?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

The preview at the end of last week's episode had Sayid being all "Michael is obviously lying" to Jack

Oh for FUCK's sake guys! I'm not even going to bother asking for spoiler warnings AGAIN, forget it, that's me finished with this thread. Fuck y'all.

― JimD (JimD), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'm with Jim. Didnt wanna read that either.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

I am w/ yous

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

don't you guys watch the "next week on LOST" things at the end of episodes? how is that a spoiler?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 15 May 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

they're often not on the torrents and, even if they were, I would choose not to watch them, anyway

who cares what happens halfway through next week's ep when it's easy to wait and get some enjoyment out of finding out what happens halfway through when you've watched half of it? "next week on LOST" or any prog is stupid, for me

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 May 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thediabetesblog.com/images/2005/12/baby%20crying.jpg

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

you're a dick

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Jeez, blame the network not the posters to this thread! If I were watching in the US instead of torrenting I'm sure I would have accidentally seen a few previews just like the vast majority of viewers, it's NOT the same as a spoiler and it's not the end of the world.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:20 (nineteen years ago)

so, you don't mind

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

!!!!!!!SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO TURN OFF BEFORE THE 'NEXT WEEK ON LOST' BIT ABOVE !!!!!!!

-- Alba (albab...), October 20th, 2005 8:04 PM. (Alba)

I come here, and people mention him being alive next week, and there it is, a big bunch of the fun vanishes instantly. Couldn't they go in a separate thread or something? Or at least get big SPOILER WARNINGS shoved in front of them?

-- JimD (ji...), May 5th, 2006 12:26 PM. (JimD)

kind of thing

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

it's odd that the previews are never on the torrents. and the torrents are so well-edited so quickly. it is quite nice to not have them but i do expect people to refer to them on this thread and that's fair enough really.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

okay, I do expect people to refer to them on this thread and that's fair enough really, too, but wouldn't mind a wee !!!!!!!SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO TURN OFF BEFORE THE 'NEXT WEEK ON LOST' BIT ABOVE !!!!!!! but don't expect people to bother but expect people to not mind me complaining about it, too

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

i spoiled a bit myself by mentioning whose flashback it was (tho Matthew usually did this anyway). where to draw the line, as Mr Friendly might say?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:28 (nineteen years ago)

yeah

I, myself, don't really mind knowing whose flashback is coming (as it is usually obvious from the ep's outset) but can understand that someone might

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

matthew?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

you know him by other names.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:33 (nineteen years ago)

the finale flashback is charlie sheen, in platoon.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

did anyone listen to the podcast this week? they are talking with naveen andrews

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, I will do my best to remember that I AM NOT allowed to mention episode previews, but I AM allowed to mention whose flashbacks are upcoming, and I MUST tolerate RJG's whining on the subject.

Now, everyone else announce their personal spoiler preferences and we can all try to do exactly what every individual person wants.

If you are really obsessed about spoilers, you probably shouldn't be reading messageboard threads on TV shows.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

thanks for accommodating my personal spoiler preferences, Jessie the Monster

I take back the "dick" I called you and even apologise for calling you it

I have to say...I didn't think you were going to be so considerate!

I, of course, only click on the thread once I have seen the latest ep and read the conversation back

thanks again!!!

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

so, clues, etc:

1. "only the people who already know" can go, Michael says.
2. Michael seemed completely unconcerned about whether Eko and Locke would find Henry

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

Wow that beard is as fake looking as they come.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

hi jessie!

so jack was right, it seems. they did outnumber them.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

sa-yid! sa-yid! sa-yid!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

mitya, my partner in liveblogging nerddom!

sawyer and sayid: the only smart people on the island.

also:

charlie: what am I supposed to do?
eko: bring me my things.
me: CACKLE

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

i am wondering whether it could've been alex on the other end of that terminal.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond! I saw Desmond!

Her?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

Don't answer her fricking questions!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

I couldn't imagine any possible justification that he could've offered Sayid. That one wasn't very good (you're going after notHenry, not Walt) but it was something.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

where was desmond???

the syringe/plastic bag proves to me they have more technology than Michael knows (claims?).

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

He was like the first person they saw in the camp - sitting down.

I can't help but think they're going to want/need that heroin later, but, good job, Charlie nonetheless.

Of course, having done something vaguely redeeming, you are probably going to die soon.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

because it's not like that since notHenry is an Other and Walt is with the Others they might, y'know, be in the same place. way to be a winner, Michael.

I can't help but think they're going to want/need that heroin later, but, good job, Charlie nonetheless.

EXACTLY what I said

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... Michael needs Hurley, for some reason. What is the common link between the pepole he wants (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley) that's different from Sayid and everyone else?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

Names:

Mrs. Clue
Pickett

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

James Ford -- okay, who does that mean Sawyer is?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley has the connection with the numbers....but the other three, other than that they could be debatably be labeled "bad people" I dunno...

OH SNAP THE BOAT. didn't somebody upthread theorize that'd come into play.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha ha! People were speculating that there was some kind of underwater science pod in the water and that's what people would see. Ha ha ha.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, the name is Mrs. Klugh. But I'm sure that it is an intentional homonym.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

What is the common link between the pepole he wants (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley)

Obviously, they need the first three for sexual tension, and Hurley for comedic relief.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Last week kind of spoiled me, I was disappointed we didn't get as much new info this week, but we obviously wouldn't the week before the finale. Sayid is THE MAN, as is Eko. I also want to know what Locke is up to.

As for the Lost Experience stuff...website is superclogged and I haven't gotten it to load yet, call the number since it was in the ad again, but its the same message as last time.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Matthew. I guess I was thinking Mr. Beardy, Mrs. Clue, etc. (Colonel Mustard is probably the "unforgiving man" :)

I have to believe that Locke wants to "take revenge" on the hatch, or the computer at least, for betraying his faith.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

let's talk about the preview!

oh, wait... no fun.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

Was there a preview this week? I don't even remember it, actually.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

fuck it, it appeared in the episode proper so HOW ABOUT THE BOAT, EVERYBODY?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

let's talk about the preview!
oh, wait... no fun.

-- GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (el.sabo...), May 17th, 2006 10:21 PM. (yournullfame) (later) (link)

Bwahaha. I saw it but I honestly don't remember a bit of it. Actually I do...apparently we're finally going to get the answers we're looking for (according to the voiceover).

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and that boat was definitely not the boat they TOOK MICHAEL'S BOY with.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

Where did the hobbit find the vaccine? I missed an episode and couldn't hear what he said.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

The vaccine was in the food drop ("on the pallet").

HOW ABOUT THE BOAT, EVERYBODY?

No effin' clue. All these boats make me nervous -- I keep reading these rumours that "people" (no names) won't be back next season. Presumably whoever sails (Jin?) may head another group of people who try to escape.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

I think John Locke will save them next week, somehow.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

Somehow, I think nobody will be "saved" next week. Saving will be left 'till September.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and that boat was definitely not the boat they TOOK MICHAEL'S BOY with.

absolutely not. that was a small motorcraft, this was a sailboat. i feel like it's going to be loaded with corpses. maybe one last guy who grabs the first person on the boat and says "don't... forget... the..." and then dies. (or was that the plot to an italian zombie movie?)

my gf thought the boat was remote controlled. i unclenched my teeth from the stem of my pipe and said "women, ye know nothing of the sea."

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

the obvious thing, of course, is that it's desmond's sailboat, the one he was racing around the world in. why it's suddenly appeared and what they will do with it is the question.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

yes, that is the plot to ZOMBI, classick zombie horror from Mr. Dario Argento!

The will go into the boat and experience a DESMOND FLASHBACK, mitya.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

So do we believe Mrs. Klugh? Off the top of my head there are only two ways Michael and Walt could go free:
1. The Others get them off the island somehow. (I have to admit --at this point I don't expect to see them next season.)
2. The Others kill / capture the attack party, so that Michael won't be able to return to the main group. They have obviously done something to bind Alex to them so that she feels she can't leave. (Although maybe she doesn't know her mother is still alive.)

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

i unclenched my teeth from the stem of my pipe and said "women, ye know nothing of the sea.

lol

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

did anyone catch the emblem on the others' hatch?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

it's been posted on the net in various places for about a week: here for example. basically just a block with the word "DHARMA" inside the octogon.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

goddamnit where is the freaking torrent!?! I'm jonesin

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

was this Desmond? it doesn't look like him, quite.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

i'm 90% sure that it is. unfortunately no screen-cap with a frontal view

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:55 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, isn't it streaming on the abc site yet?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, that.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 18 May 2006 05:53 (nineteen years ago)

tsk thats not desmond!

so what did we learn from dj clue - "developments... appearing in places he shdnt be... do u want to go back in THE ROOM... taking tests." meh.

eko has really perfected his beatific smile huh

one wd assume charlie already taking the vaccine will come into play shortly, no one gets away from saying "i feel fine" unscathed

maybe amazon delivered the boat michael was asking for early?

― rtccc (mwah), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, the name is Mrs. Klugh. But I'm sure that it is an intentional homonym.

YOU'RE KIDDING ME RIGHT MATT? I thought, like all the rest of the scripts, it was a matter of genius happenstance!

This show has a lot of ground to cover next week. If it doesn't, I'm done with this little island experiment.

― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, don't whine so much, Weiner. Lindelof and Cuse have already guaranteed us that the Michael/Walt thing is resolved this season, that we find out the truth about the button, and why the plane crashed, PLUS Desmond's backstory and a bit more about Libby. PLUS John Locke Vs. Mr. Eko. All in one episode. So it should be pretty awesome.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm totally ready to get back on the home team IF a lot of promises are delivered. And I am looking forward to watching it.

Shall we assume that the button has something to do with the polar bears?

― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah when they press the button, the polar bears all stop and do a little dance.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

OK, we need animated gif of polar bear instead of cat dancing with light sticks.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

personally, at this point, it seems diffiicult to imagine how they'll stretch this out longer than three seasons, if they deliver on all that in the finale. by which i mean, do we think/know whether abrams & lindelof roughly planned it out to run that long? what is the party line?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

i think it was planned to be two seasons originally but they made allowances for more.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

so what have we seen Walt actually do, in the show? appear to a couple people in visions and uh ... made a bird smack into a window? I thought Michael was gonna say he "saw" Walt in NY when he was really in Amsterdam.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

also I guess we are supposed to think the Others are on to a new project now since they are in a new hatch? I guess they just scrapped the Medical Hatch "new baby" project (notice that Claire is not on the list anymore) and are onto something new.

Ooh! Just thought of something. The list of people -- Hurley, Sawyer, Jack, Kate -- all saw visions on the island. Maybe the visions were "projected" to them by Walt? (Was Sayid ever able to see Wet Walt when Shannon saw him? Can't remember. If not, maybe that's why he can't go along.)

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... Hurley saw Dave, Jack saw his father, Kate saw the unicorn... Who did Sawyer see? That could be it.

Shannon saw Wet Walt, but Sayid didn't -- that's why they had that final fight.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

Sawyer saw the horse at the same time Kate did

but the more I think about it, almost everyone on the island has "seen visions" of one kind or another

e.g. Charlie, Locke and Eko have all had predictive dreams ... Sayid heard the weird voices in the forest ...

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah that's not Desmond, it's just some random crusty. Anyway the sailboat is surely going to be Desmond.

I really don't like this Mrs Klugh character. She is a bit.....GUINAN. More smug though, I hope she dies a death soon. Mr Friendly on the other hand could be Sawyer's dad! I don't mean that as a theory, just that that's how he talks and behaves.

Surprised nobody has mentioned young Walt screeching "they're not who they say they are!".

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

She is a bit.....GUINAN.

That's a good description for her.

― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

young Walt screeching "they're not who they say they are!"

but like, we kinda knew that already, right? he just means they're not crusty refugees, they're really scientists .... ?

ditto for the person upthread who said, "see, they really do have technology" ....

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

"Surprised nobody has mentioned young Walt screeching "they're not who they say they are!"."

Well really we already know that after fake-beard-o episode.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

well I guess that's it, but they never said "welcome, we are crusty refugees"!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Also is the beard actually fake? It looks kind of real. I think it looked fake at night that time but now it looks real. I just paused and double checked this theory.

So perhaps the "I was just fucking with them!" theory about the fake beard is true.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

That Mr Friendly, he is a card!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Who can forget the time he gave Pickett HIV!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

the dude had no beard in claire's flashback scene, remember?

beard is FAKE.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

And really they've never said anything about their origins, but clearly they are pretending to be CRUSTIES!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Ah ok, apologies for the thickness, just didn't recall Claire's episode. He did a better job on faking it for this episode than when he first met Jack and co.

Why doesn't he just grow a real beard?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

They itch.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I just watched again, the beard in the "light em uuuuuuup" scene looks fucking awful! As do the eyebrows, his eyes and eyebrows just don't sync.

But in the day scene in Michael's flashback the beard looks ok, to me anyway.

Also I guess it's just the firelight but it looks darker and almost red in the night scene.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

did anyone else read the entertainment weekly cover story? lots of info. terry o'quinn sez that he misses the old pre-button locke and he bugs the writers to bring him back. one thing i didn't know: hurley was originally just gonna be a "red shirt" (named after disposable star trek characters), but he impressed the Lost makers so much after the show started that they then came up with his whole back story about the lottery and all that. he was almost gonna be a charismatic repo man.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

they also said that they decided to kill off libby because otherwise nobody would care about what michael did!! the ana-lucia hate was too strong. and they had a whole libby story-arc at the ready, but now she is just gonna show up in future flashbacks.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

And really they've never said anything about their origins, but clearly they are pretending to be CRUSTIES!

I thought it was important not just that Walt said, "They're not who they say they are," but that he said, "They're pretending." Which, coming from a kid, implies some kind of game of make-believe and dress-up. Which could mean that they actually have vast resources and technology, and have no reason at all to go around looking dirty.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

So I guess what I mean is, Alex in SF OTM.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

it seems diffiicult to imagine how they'll stretch this out longer than three seasons, if they deliver on all that in the finale.

Well, they still have to deal with the conflict with the Others and get off the island! That's a lot to cover. I think they have enough story for five seasons, maaaaybe six, and Lindelof, Cuse et al seem to acknowledge this in interviews. Hopefully it won't ever have to come to the zombie season in year seven. (Ha ha shout out to the podcast dorks!)

I am guessing that Alex Rousseau and Desmond will be regulars in the next season...

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

hurley was originally just gonna be a "red shirt"

interesting. because they have also said that he was the first person they cast for the show. they liked him so much they made up a character for him.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

the fact that the nighttime beard didn't match the the newly shot stuff that is supposed to happen like five minutes before was distracting. so was walt's obvious aging but I guess there's nothing they can do about that.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah clearly Walt will not be on the show next season unless they have the stupidest explanation for why he's hit puberty ever (or they start injecting him with Emmanuel Lewis' blood!)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

The even weirder thing is that Jorge Garcia was trying out for the Sawyer role, which is just really odd even before you take into account the fact that they modified the role for Josh Holloway.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Question: Why is Jack so eager to trust Michael after he knocked out Locke, stole a gun, and ran off? White liberal guilt? Why does anyone trust Michael?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Because Jack is an idiot.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

I guess he sympathizes w/ Michael's "anything to help my boy" mentality, and finds it hard to believe Michael would go so far as to kill two people

I was so glad Sayid put 2 and 2 together, one of the only times on the show when a character actually, like, figured out some complicated shit! the fact that the audience knows so much more about the island than many of the characters can get a little frustrating.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

"I guess he sympathizes w/ Michael's "anything to help my boy" mentality, and finds it hard to believe Michael would go so far as to kill two people"

Yes, perhaps, but Michael's behavior esp. wanting Hurley (?!?!?) instead of Sayid and insisting on FIVE people and exactly those FIVE people and it being his call is pretty ridiculously suspicious. Only a very slow on the uptake person would be incapable of grasping that something fishy going here.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Well, insisting that HURLEY join you on a raid mission is a major red flag.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

. terry o'quinn sez that he misses the old pre-button locke and he bugs the writers to bring him back.

even though he didnt say a word the whole episode, the sight of Locke smiling at charlie's destruction of the heroin and then at the funeral taking out his knife to cut off his brace signaled to me that pre-button locke is comming back

Why is Jack so eager to trust Michael after he knocked out Locke, stole a gun, and ran off? White liberal guilt?

he also seemed to be easily persuaded by sayid's feelings of Michael's guilt.

― wwweb (jbweb), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

The even weirder thing is that Jorge Garcia was trying out for the Sawyer role, which is just really odd even before you take into account the fact that they modified the role for Josh Holloway.
-- Matthew C Perpetua (perpetu...), May 18th, 2006 1:51 PM. (inca) (later) (link)

By "modify the role," you obviously mean "made more naked." :D

Because Jack is an idiot.
-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), May 18th, 2006 2:00 PM. (Alex in SF) (later) (link)

AMEN. Sayid and Sawyer's "dude did you get dropped on the head?" look when he said they were taking HURLEY NOT SAYID 'CAUSE MICHAEL SAID SO AND IT'S HIS BOY was pretty much priceless.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

esp. wanting Hurley (?!?!?) instead of Sayid

hahaha, point taken

it was kinda weird / too convenient that the raiding party list just happened to be all the people who became witnesses to the hatch insident anyway

signaled to me that pre-button locke is comming back

yeah I figured at the end of the episode he was stalking off to hunt a boar RIGHT THEN. either that or going back to the Pearl.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Ewww what if Locke becomes some kind of super-creepy voyeur...

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

unless there is a camera fixed on claire I doubt it

― wwweb (jbweb), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

he also seemed to be easily persuaded by sayid's feelings of Michael's guilt.

jack doesn't seem to know a lot, and he seems more or less ok with that (especially if it means he can defer to the decisions of others). he is asked to make a lot of decisions, more than anybody else on the island probably. also he's just very busy, too busy to be very aware of the details.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

Matthew Fox is doing a good job with Jack's character, I think. When Michael was getting in his face with "it's got to be THIS WAY," you could see Jack's wheels turning, grinding, then stopping. When he said "Okay, we'll do it your way," it was like, "Where's an intern who can close this patient up -- I have another operation to get to."

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

exactly!

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I've grown to like Matthew Fox's acting a lot more as things have gone on. I still don't like Evangeline Lilly though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

I am still working under the assumption that both Locke and Jack have made at least marginal behaviorial adjustments as of that "we need to trust each other" moment two eps ago. I attributed Jack's willingness to listen to (we can't say "trust" yet) Sayid to the same thing.

Why is Jack so eager to trust Michael after he knocked out Locke, stole a gun, and ran off?

I was about to say that his slate was wiped clean because he was held captive for a while. And then I realized that he hasn't shared that detail with them yet, has he?

Well, insisting that HURLEY join you on a raid mission is a major red flag.

It's hard to see it from our perspective, I think, but someone might infer "they killed Libby so Hurley should get to come" logic in Michael's addled brain. Of course, that same logic would also bring Sayid, shouldn't it?

Interesting that no one here has commented on Sawyer's "You're the closest thing I have to a friend" remark.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Because it was so cliched and gaywad-ish that I was trying to forget about it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Not to mention just so sad, both in a "Sawyer needs love/therapy" way, and in the "man, you're only friend is Jack?" way.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

"Ah screwed 'er!"

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha oh god.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

i loved that part!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Sawyer is my favorite character by far. The day that guy leaves the show is official shark-jumpin' day

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

Haha no way it's all about Adebisi! I don't even know how I watched the first season of the show when he wasn't on now (jk but STILL ADEBISI!)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

I was hoping Sawyer would wait til the funeral to make that announcement.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

I want one more season and then no more.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Because they killed Shannon?

― Dan (Oh Wait...) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Well technically they did kind of kill Shannon. . . I think the likelihood of Anna-Lucia shooting Shannon is greatly reduced if they hadn't been terrorized by the Others for 50 days.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

"Ah screwed 'er!"

I loved that, too. It was the most Sawyerist thing he's said yet.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

Ana Lucia's second-most definable characteristic was a willingness to kill people! That was kind of her entire raison d'etre.

― Dan (1: Her Impressive Stinkface) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

SHE COULDN'T KILL IN THE END AND THAT WAS HER DOWNFALL!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

I want one more season and then no more.

I'd love only one more season, because that would mean explaining everything in 22 more eps, which would mean all killer, no filler. No more noodly Sun/Jin backstory, for instance. Less emotional lives of the characters, more "WTF is going on, and how do we deal with it?" But don't hold your breath.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

Although for her sake I wish she'd realized that she wasn't capable of murder before she let Sawyer "screw her".

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't like Ana Lucia, either, but I wish they'd stop with the "every unmarried woman who gets laid has to die soon" crap.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

The bright side of her getting shot is that she managed to avoid all the con man STDs brewing in her nethers.

― Dan (No Aloe Runs For AL) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

I so want to see her zombie fetus kill Sawyer a la Dead Alive.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

the island cured sawyer's vd yall (cf. flashback season 3, episode 4)

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

"Where'd ma drippy dick go, doc?"

― Islands still can't cure these dang crabs. . . (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

"Ana Lucia. Or did you forget already, bastard!"

― Dan (I Am Jack And My Mutant Power Is Judging Other People) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

DESMOND COMETH

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and also, in EW, the Lost dudes said they were bummed by how ABC was programming the show and they hoped that nest season there would be fewer repeats and more continuous episodes. AND in the new york times the other day, ABC nitwits echoed this and said that the 3rd season would probably go like this: 7 new episodes in a row, go away for a couple months, 7 more new episodes, wash, rinse, repeat. so, hopefully no more jarring 3 weeks away, one recap, one new episode, blah, etc.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

I'd rather they take four extra months to get it all shot, then hammer 'em all home 24 weeks in a row. But I'm sure that would interfere with a sporting event at some point.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

The latest version I read was that we get it in two long arcs, 12ish weeks in the fall, then three months off, then 12ish more weeks. I can live with that.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

That would work.

Who owns the show? The network or the creators/production company?

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

The announcement I read in the paper yesterday was 7 consecutive episodes in the fall, 15 consecutive episodes starting around February.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'd rather they take four extra months to get it all shot, then hammer 'em all home 24 weeks in a row.

They can't do that without having them skip a sweeps period, and they need Lost in both of them because it's such a huge hit and it keeps the ad rates high.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 19 May 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I totally loved the "Ah screwed her! Yer mah only friend, Doc!" scene. The "Eko and Charlie break up" scene was almost as good, and the later scene indicating that Charlie was going to end up back with his white daddy was pretty awesome too.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 19 May 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe I never realized just how much of a prison bitch charlie was before!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 19 May 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

So, as we cruise into the finale, predictions:

Let's say there will be two more characters weeded from the show when it starts next season. They can be killed off or rescued via the finale, absent for most of the season (a la Walt) or simply "demoted" to bit player status (a la Rose & Bernard). Who are they? Michael and Walt?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 19 May 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

I think Michael's a dead man walkin'. He gutshot two of the home team; cosmic justice demands his death. I predict that Walt will witness a Lostie killing his dad, renounce the rest of the Losties and stay with the Others by choice.

No idea who else, if anyone, might die.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 May 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

God, I just really really really hope Sayid beats the living shit out of Michael.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 19 May 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

We really need to see more of Sayid in general. I feel like he was sidelined a lot in this season because to make the plot work properly, they needed the characters to act sorta dumb, and you can't pull that off with Sayid. Sayid is the guy who figures it out and brings on the vigilante justice. In other words, Sayid is Batman.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 19 May 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

And Batman hardly ever works with the X-Men!

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Friday, 19 May 2006 06:09 (nineteen years ago)

But Eko must be a little Batmannish, to the extent that he brought out the Robin in Charlie.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 19 May 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

cmon, walt is SO going to die

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

naaaah.

perhaps the Others mean to put the big 5 (Michael, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley) in 'the room' that Klugh referred to when Walt said too much. i can't see why they'd want to neutralise them as threats ahead of Sayid for example. hoping the big 5 will encounter smokemonster again en route.

presumably 'the room' is within the guarded hatch as is Walt's test room where the computer is that he talked to Michael from.

we're surely going to see what really happens in the hatch when clock runs out too. there are hints that it is not just a case of rumbling noises, hieroglyphics and automatic reversion to 108 after all.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

see those tents that the others had? JEEPs wrapped in tarpaulins i tells ya

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 19 May 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

There's no way Michael and Walt are getting off the island--if for no other reason than because they could tell people about it. But Walt is clearly valuable to them, and killing Michael themselves would only make him more difficult to control. My guess is either Michael and Walt stay with the Others or they manipulate events so that Michael dies in a way that isn't directly pinned on them.

I don't think the five were selected due to the facts that they are "threats." If we assume the Others are responsible for ALL the bizarre events on the island, it is doubtful that ANY of the crash survivors could ever pose a real threat (unless they all together attacked the camp, maybe, but that's a highly unlikely event). Also, Hurley is definitely not a threat. I personally see Jack as too impulsive to be a threat. And as someone else said, Sayid (and Locke and Eko and maybe Jin) are also possible threats (Sayid maybe more than anyone else on the island), and they aren't allowed to come. I like the theory about the fact that they've all had visions being the connecting thread. Also, other than Michael, these four have probably had the most traumatic backstories.

Something that struck me that hasn't been mentioned yet: the Others didn't tell Michael to kill Ana-Lucia or Libby. That Michael murdered someone in cold-blood before trying any other alternative to get them to come to the camp...what does this say about his character?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 19 May 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

Thinking on it, I think the connection between Kate, Jack, Hurley, and Sawyer is probably quite simple - the plane was crashed because they wanted those four and Walt, and everyone else was probably just along for the ride.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 19 May 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Also, the word on the street is that Michael "Henry Gale" Emerson is a regular in the next season.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 19 May 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I was weirded out by the random people hanging out in the background of the funeral scene. Like, "oh yeah, there are a bunch of other survivors, whose names we don't know who, just hang out on the beach all day!"

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 May 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Seems like they didn't originally plan on wanting Locke, or at least the occurrence that he'd be useful to them was subtle and roundabout.

f we assume the Others are responsible for ALL the bizarre events on the island

I don't assume this.

Also, Hurley is definitely not a threat.

He wasn't but is now that he has Libby to avenge. But The Others did not intend for Libby's death so they must indeed want him for other reason.

Michael figured that killing Ana-Lucia was only way to free Gale. He didn't have much time to figure this or act on it so yeh it's not perfect. Shooting Libby was pure accident.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 19 May 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

But what about Claire and the BAAAAYBEEEE? And Eko, since the psychic who gave Claire her ticket is also responsible for delaying his departure to America? And Jin, who works for Paik Heavy Industries which works with the Hanso Org? I'm inclined to think every crash survivor who is a major character in the show is probably there for a reason.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 19 May 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

presumably 'the room' is within the guarded hatch as is Walt's test room where the computer is that he talked to Michael from.

I'm still not positive that Walt sent those messages to Michael -- the Others might have lured him out there to try to find out more about Walt. Although, if that was the case they probably would have set a more elaborate ambush than just a dude taking a leak.

I wonder how much the Others know about the Pearl? Is there a surveillance camera inside the guarded hatch?

everyone else was probably just along for the ride

they clearly wanted Claire, too .... and now that I think about it, it seems like the medical experiment may not have ended, they just outsourced it to Charlie. If Charlie ain't in on some kinda scheme, his reasoning on the vaccine is like the dumbest shit ever -- "hey here's some medicine, not sure what it does, let's give it to an INFANT."

xpost

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 19 May 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

the others may not know about the pearl -- locke will probably discover that he can watch them sometime during the finale (since that's definitely where he was going at the end of the episode).

walt will mos definitely NOT be killed -- this is TV, people. they don't kill pubescent kids on TV, you retards.

charlie's self-injection will be a development for sure -- who gives themselves an unknown vaccine with an ancient bit of medical gear w/o consulting the FUCKING DOCTOR?? it's so stupid that it has to be important.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, you're all right about Claire et al. But I think the show does tend to go for the more simplistic answers, so it's probably not too out there.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

It's probably a simple answer that we don't know yet like all five had parents who invested in Burger King franchises in the mid-70s or something.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Did it seem to anyone else from the way Mrs. Klugh was talking that there's some reason the others can't go to the protaganist side of the island? Okay, Ethan and Henry, I know; but there just seemed something a little odd when Michael asked her why they didn't just go and take the people they wanted (if I'm remembering this exchange correctly).

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

you would already know that if you called 1-800-HANSOBURGER

charlie's self-injection will be a development for sure

in shocking twist, vaccine turns out to be heroin

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

burger joke an xpost, obv

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

o boy lots to catch up on

1. Have I already said that I think it's possible that Alex was the one sending the messages?

2. We haven't yet seen Michael's release from the camp, so it's possible that he will get more instructions, or perhaps some advice. But Jessie is probably right: Michael guessed that A-L being alone with Henry presented what might be his only chance, and if the only plausible scenario was A-L goes in with a gun, Henry somehow overpowers her, and shoots Michael and Libby while leaving, well... too bad for A-L but I'VE GOT TO SAVE MY BOY. Remember, they've said that if he doesn't do what he's told he'll never see Walt again.

3. I agree that Walt (and Michael) being killed seems unlikely. Being imprisoned or carried away by the Others seems more likely to me.

4. The show has gone to such lengths to show or suggest links between the characters, plus the "Locke is a good one, A-L can change" talk -- I can't believe that Hanso/Dharma only wanted Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley and everyone else is incidental.

5. I just don't get why people think Locke was going back to the Pearl. It just makes much more sense that he will go back to the Swan and smash the computer or something.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

I totally wish I had an animated gif of the "wear the glasses" fight scene from "They Live" to post right now.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

"I just don't get why people think Locke was going back to the Pearl. It just makes much more sense that he will go back to the Swan and smash the computer or something."

Esp. since the preview shows shit going bananas in the Pearl (doors dropping, sparks, etc.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

NO DON'T TALK ABOUT THE PREVIEWS THEY ARE SPOILERS.

okay I'm sorry, last time I bring that up. :3

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

I hope you said that in your best Charleton Heston from Soylent Green voice!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

next ep previews...are.....SPOILERS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

BTW I really really really like the music in this episode esp. when Michael goes into the Others' camp. It was very 70s-style action/adv/sci-fi theme sounding!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, let's skip that concern and address why on earth Claire was all "hey, sure, inject this stuff in my baby, Mr. Heroin Addict who tried to abduct my child two weeks ago!"

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 19 May 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

see but now he's a church-going heroin addict

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 19 May 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Let's face it Claire is almost as dumb as Jack which isn't surprising considering their father was a stupid drunk asshole.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 May 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

but there just seemed something a little odd when Michael asked her why they didn't just go and take the people they wanted (if I'm remembering this exchange correctly).

maybe because the tailies started kicking their asses and their other agents didn't do so well either?

maybe it's all part of a giant headfuck?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 19 May 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, let's skip that concern and address why on earth Claire was all "hey, sure, inject this stuff in my baby, Mr. Heroin Addict who tried to abduct my child two weeks ago!"

Yes, except Claire went back to the medical hatch and went batshit when there wasn't any vaccine for the baby. Charlie found a bunch of stuff totally Dharma-labelled stuff, etc. Why she would forgive it is one thing, but I can see her not being overly worried about the vaccine.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 19 May 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right, that is true about Claire.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 19 May 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

What is this vaccine *for*? Vaccination is a complicated business, not the kind of thing where you go, "Take this and you'll never get sick." Vaccinations often *make* you sick. And what is this Dharma disease that's being "vaccinated" for? And what about dosage? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T GIVE THIS SKETCHY SHIT TO A BABY.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Friday, 19 May 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

For all we know, this stuff is the bad acid from Batman Begins that makes everyone kill each other.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Friday, 19 May 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

BWAHAHA ATTACK OF THE KILLER BABY.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 19 May 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

That baby's got a vicious streak a mile wide.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Friday, 19 May 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

Dude if my mom was Claire I'd be fucking pissed too.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 19 May 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

Theory: the vaccine makes people immune to Walt's powers or Cerebrus/the smoke monster or whatever it is that's making people have visions.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

ooooh mitya I like that theory.

But the same part of me that liked Slither and zombie movies and Ravenous wants there to be some sort of horrible deforming plage going around.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Saturday, 20 May 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't really paying full atention, when the ep started, and I thought, for a sec, that the "previously on LOST" had finished and that michael had tricked locke into giving him a gun and had hit him on the head again!

the tailsection update ep had no flashback bits because it was all flashback, up to the present, and eps 1 & 2 of this season had no flashbacks but were the same, pretty much, but from diff PoVs. is this the only ep w/ flashbacks within it that are within a v close time proximity?

mitya: that is so not desmond and sayid DID see wet walt, in the end, just before shannon was shot

ana-lucia cortez the killer LOL

we knew sawyer was james but not james ford?

if michael didn't think enough about walt's "they're pretending" thing then he is stupid

the rest must find out that michael is a murderer. am still hoping locke will find some VT (or something) in the new hatch and go after the five, w/ sayid

sayid faking michael out is good a sailboat is weird and lots next week it seems oh well!

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 May 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

I think he was referred to as James Ford before, sometime.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 20 May 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I thought locke told him he knew, before he started calling him "james", from time to time

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 May 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

Given that I just saw it that once, I'm not sure I'd put any money on it, RJG, but either way I'm happy to believe it was Desmond. I'll take your word on Sayid, though, even though that shoots a promising theory.

Cortez the killer LOL seconded, heartily.

Shortly after I wrote my "James Ford" comment, I realized the mystery surrounding names was less "What is Sawyer's real name" than what is the real name of the con men in Sawyer and Locke's lives and are they the same person?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 20 May 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

we knew sawyer was james but not james ford?

He was revealed as James Ford in the first season.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 20 May 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Weren't they hinting heavily in "Lockdown" that the original Sawyer is Locke's biological father?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 20 May 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

He was revealed as James Ford in the first season. yeah, think I remember jack confronting him w/ the manifest. someone upthread thought this was a revelation, I think

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 May 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Going back a couple of episodes, it seems like Henry probably was lying about "I was coming to get Locke" stuff. If he's not on the list of four that Michael brought back i'm guessing he's not so important.

I'm really holding out for the finale to deliver where last seasons didn't. Whilst i'm expecting the bigger Hanso/Dharma picture to be the main focus of Series 3, i hope we get some closure on the Michael/Walt nonsense.

It probably is Desmond in the boat, but it would be cool if it was Alex turning on the Others and trying to stop the ambush.

Back to Henry again. He told Locke there was no way they'd ever give up Walt. So whatever happens next week, Michaels probably going to die, and Walts going to spend a lot more time in "the room."

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Saturday, 20 May 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

There is absolutely no way that that is Desmond.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 20 May 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

it'll be weird if it's desmond in the boat

since he's at the others' camp!!

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 May 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

no but it will be weird

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 May 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Even if that was him in the others' camp, that was three days previous.

― dmun drive-in (dmun), Saturday, 20 May 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

8 O

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 May 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

there was the one for claire where they showed her flashback to explain what happened to her during her kidnapping

― clodia pulchra (emo by proxy), Saturday, 20 May 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

that's true

had a couple of fleeting thoughts of "wait, when is this?", during this ep, that I don't recall, w/ that ep

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 20 May 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

that vaccine was the shit desomd was injecting and doing pushups to the mamas and the papas to when we first saw him

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

naveen andrews (sayid) confirmed to be in new cbs drama this fall, leaving lost

― j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Gah!
Blount, I piss in the general direction of Atl.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Well now I don't care what happens.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

No, no, click the link!

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

So mean.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 21 May 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I wish I'd thought of it.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Monday, 22 May 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

oh, wrinkleblount!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 22 May 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

Boh! I was completely psyched out.

Colour me gullible.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 22 May 2006 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

Strangely enough, accentmonkey, my first thoughts were for you! In fact, I think of you every time he appears in an episode. It will be fun to meet you in person and have a huge bitch slapping about who loves him the most!

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Weren't they hinting heavily in "Lockdown" that the original Sawyer is Locke's biological father?

I think the only hint is that Sawyer's family was ruined by a con man and Locke's biological dad is a con man. But the way the plot tends to go on Lost it seems almost certain that Locke's dad is the original Sawyer. (Also, Locke seemed very interested in Sawyer from day one on the island, and especially the name thing ... maybe because Locke knew that his dad had used "Sawyer" as an alias?)

― Renard (Renard), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was thinking that the bigger hint was how Locke seems aware of the origin of the Sawyer name in light of the revelation that his pop was a con man.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 22 May 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

But the way the plot tends to go on Lost it seems almost certain that Locke's dad is the original Sawyer.

Which is almost certainly why I've began to think Locke's father almost certainly isn't the original Sawyer.

― cws (cws), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Since so much of Lost is about the audience being the only one putting together conclusions from information known by two different characters, it seems very strange to think that, in this case, Locke would be the one character managing to put together information from his back story and someone else's. I think Claire could say "My father is an American heart surgeon who abandoned my mother when I was an infant" and Jack wouldn't blink twice.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

So, "spoiler" haters, are we allowed to talk about commercials?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 22 May 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

wsorry rjg but that no discussing "next time.. on lost" is pretty fuggin gheey

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

do what the fuck you like just like me I am complaining about it!

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

But the way the plot tends to go on Lost it seems almost certain that Locke's dad is the original Sawyer.

I think not because I can't imagine Locke's Dad working on that shrimp stall where Swayer shot that 'wrong guy'.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

can't imagine someone who didn't somewhere working somewhere?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

can't imagine someone who didn't work somewhere working somewhere?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't it the original Sawyer that Sawyer went to Sydney to kill but got the wrong guy?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but only cause T1000 set him up.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

ie: that was just some random guy so why should it be necessary to imagine Locke's Dad working at the shrimp trailer?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

I'm looking foreward to more episodes with Robert Patrick in them actually! I hope they have some

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

yes, stevem, but he got the wrong guy, no?

crossposts

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

yes but for some reason in my head the guy he did shoot said that orig. Sawyer used to work there or would normally be there but for some reason or other i.e. right location wrong guy. but if this is incorrect than i'm sorry. i get more confused by Swayer's backstory than any of the other characters.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think anyone's called out that the psychic who told Clare that her baby was special and that she should take THIS PLANE HERE, confessed to Eko (last ep) that he was a fraud

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

ah, yeah, I think dan I. is right--r patrick (though I'd forgotten it was he) just used our sawyer to bump off some guy he wanted bumped off

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's how I understood the shrimp stand guy as well, that Robert Patrick just wanted him killed. Although now I can't separate his face from that of the psychic. I wonder...

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

Hadn't psychic already told Claire that he was a fraud? Except that in her case he wasn't.

I have somehow missed the whole Claire is Jack's sister thing - is that just a random theory or has there been stuff in the programme?

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

audience consensus seems to buy it, but I don't think there's really any evidence beyond Jack's father visiting and Australian woman and demanding to see his daughter (and being turned down). Claire's flashback was so long ago, I don't remember what if anything they said about her family.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but the woman in Australia was way too young to be Claire's mum, no? Initially I thought it was Jack's (ex?) wife Sarah - who had somehow ended up in Sydney - and it was his grandaughter he was demanding to see, but I can't remember that episode too well now.

― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

To tell you the truth, that was my initial reaction too, when I first read the theory. But the fact that it's so widespread, and that I'm rubbish at remembering some of these details (e.g., what DID Claire say about her family?) has me suspending disbelief for the moment.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

Hadn't psychic already told Claire that he was a fraud? Except that in her case he wasn't.

Or, he was, and just got her to do what Dharma wanted.

I don't remember him saying he was a fraud, just that he wouldn't do her reading at first. Then she came back (I think he summoned her back?) and he told her to get on the plane and "don't let your baby be raised by another."

― Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

the woman in Australia was way too young to be Claire's mum

I'm not sure what age Claire is supposed to be ... if she is an "unwed teen mom" and so was her own mom, the ages would probably work out

― Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

I just don't LIKE the whole "Jack and Claire have the same dad" theory. It is totally plausible buuuuut I dunno. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the revelation of this fact would require lots of Claire/Jack on-screen bonding, which would pretty much suck the soul out of me.

On the other hand, I really hope Locke's dad is the original Sawyer because Locke/Sawyer "men who need love/father figures" bonding seminar would be GREAT. But I'm pretty sure the whole Sawyer identity is like a Dread Pirate Roberts thing and there has been about fifty of them.

The psychic telling Eko he was a fraud pretty much just proved to me he was working for Dharma to get her on that plane.

TWENTY-SEVEN HOURS YOU GUYS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yup, any plot development that meant Claire would be taking up a lot of screen-time would be pretty rubbish.

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

TWENTY-SEVEN HOURS YOU GUYS.

I'M FREAKING OUT HERE!!

― cws (cws), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I think it would be a bad idea, for claire to be jack's sis, at this stage

maybe next season will be slow and boring and this plotline could be a highlight

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Just in case you thought ABC's announcement that they wouldn't be torturing us with those three-on, two-off, one-on, two-off broadcast schedules next year, fear not: season two DVDs will be released on October 3, several weeks after season three starts, and not as logic would suggest several weeks before, allowing fans to refresh their memories, straying fans to catch up, and general build excitement for the new season.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

this plotline could be a highlight

Only if they follow the Sharon-and-Den model for long lost siblings!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

I AM SO PSYCHED RIGHT NOW

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

Totally! Have tomorrow off so can download nice and quickly.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

i'm going to get up in the middle of the night to start the first torrent i can find. the site i get em from says 4.30 for the earliest torrent last week (18th) - but i don't know what TZ that is. bah. won't be able to watch it for, what at least 3 or 4 hours (double download, and being early in the swarm makes it worse) so maybe not bother - set it off in the morning. and my blimmin mother is in town so I won't see it til the weekend unless i watch it at work (which i did last week when my boss was elswhere)

:-(

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

i'd love to have a big viewing party for it tomorrow night but alan is the only other person i know in london who downloads it. this is one disadvantage to downloading i guess (still worth it tho).

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

I have to remember to look for torrents before work tomorrow! I doubt I'll be able to watch til Friday night though, my broadband is only 512 :(

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I don't think we will even attempt downloading until the weekend after the trouble I had last week going for early torrents. Must remember NOT to open this thread though!

I'm totally with jessie, would hate it if Claire is Jack's sister - they are about my least favourite characters (I loved Jack to start with but his schtick got old really fast and he seems to be getting more stupid too).

― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

did we already do a show of hands on the podcast listeners?

/puts up hand

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

What am I going to DO on Wednesday nights after tonight? The grim, bone-chilling reality of the situation just chilled my bones, grimly.
Arrrrrgggghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

Just wanted to take some special time out from work to do a ZOMG NINE HOURS YOU GUYS!!!!!

Is anyone else going to participate in some hot two-hour-long liveblogging action, or is it just going to be me & mitya again? Short nonsensical bursts are so much more amusing than well thought-out analyses.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

i'd love to have a big viewing party for it tomorrow night but alan is the only other person i know in london who downloads it. this is one disadvantage to downloading i guess

Hello! (although to be fair I'm a. busy tomorrow night and b. too impatient to go all day without watching it)

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

does this start at 8 or 9 EST? i am confused.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

gonna be saturday morning for me :-(

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

NO ONE ASKED YOU TV PIRATE

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

All I know is that it's 8 CST!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

DONT CONFUSE ME MORE.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

If I remember quickly, it's all LOST on ABC tonight. A clip show at 8 and then the two hour finale at 9.

SORRY CUTTY!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

fricken clip shows.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

HOW ELSE IS YR MOM EXPECTED TO CATCH UP?

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

There is a fire where I live and the local ABC affiliate is has to share the "breaking news," which is that the first we first reported to you an hour ago is still burning.

Fuckers better put it out before 9 pm!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

So where did Desmond bury Kelvin?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... According to the orientation, people are in the Swan for 18 months (540 days). But wasn't the Pearl only like 3 months or something?

(Ah, and the tailies' hatch was the Arrow.)

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

desmond was sitting on a chair made from what looked like kelvin's embalmed corpse when we saw him at the others' camp

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Did anybody else have "technical difficulties"?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, so I changed it to the Red Sox game. Peter Coyote's voice is extra irritating tonight for some reason.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

Lay off, RJG, or I'm going to mention that shot of Kate being shot that featured in the preview last week.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

I would've taken away Henry's cornflakes if he'd started mouthing off like that to me.

Or maybe gotten Sayyid to do some milkboarding to him.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... so basically the lockdown happened when the plane flew overhead (if that's what happened) and dropped the supplies. A completely separate process from the button. That suggests that either
a) the plane has some kind of remote control, or, more likely
b) in addition to the camera that we saw in the Pearl, there is some other location on the island that has surveillance/control over the Swan.

Also Henry Gale looking down the barrel of Sayid's pistol: "You can't do this. I am not a BAD PERSON."

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

Mitya--the Pearl shifts rotate every three weeks

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

Also, further evidence of surveillance: they KNEW that the castaways had captured Henry.

I still don't think they were in the Pearl. Too dusty. There has to be something else.

Jessie - Thanks. I remembered three something.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

You know, a quite interesting way for this to develop would be for a lot of the "extra" castaways to be rescued from the beach while most main characters are away. That boat is too small, but still...

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

!!! DESMOND

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

It's Desmond! He tried to get away from the island on his boat, but it brought him back... Magnetism again.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

And now the real reason there's a two-hour season finale. More ad time for a guaranteed high-ratings episode, which means more money for ABC.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

in the recap didnt the orientation tape just say they were in the pearl??

― wwweb (jbweb), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

Stuck in a bloody snugwump?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

wow desmond is secretly hot

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

So did we recognize the girl in the photo?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

is the name on those letters Penny Widmore?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

yes. Penny Widmore --> Penelope

= Jack's wife?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

Sayid seems to be setting himself up to be Doomed. I certainly hope not. :c

MITYA YOU GENIUS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

...wait, I thought his wife's name was Sarah?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

Finally, Kate starts talking.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah / Penny -- details, details.

It could also be Libby's real name pre-breakdown, I suppose. But I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

Libby was so much hotter when she was castaway.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond is so hot Libby just up and gives him her boat.

And yeah, she looks old in this flashback.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

What's her last name?!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

did they say which book by dickens desmond had?

― wwweb (jbweb), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

Does this look the same as the photo of Penny?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/27/SarahShephard.jpg/250px-SarahShephard.jpg

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

Widmore labs...

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Our Mutual Friend, the last novel DIckens wrote.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

oh totally forgot to mention: Locke wandering off to go to the Swan = LAME.

also why is charlie being super sinister?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Still angry at Locke, I guess.

So Jack's wife does not, to me, look like Penny. (Plus the accent is wrong.)

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

remeber charlie helped sawyer steal the guns to make locke look bad
that and mr echo dumped him as a best friend

― wwweb (jbweb), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT THE HELL

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

statue: ahem "dude that is so fucked up"

hatch: WTF

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

OH SHIT.

FOOT AND BLAST DOORS AND NOT PUSHING THE BUTTON MADNESS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

It's Sayid's CIA guy!!!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

KURGAN

― Holy makkara, Toivo! (OutDatWay), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

okay so what did one snowman say to the other is definitely a clue

could kelvin be hanso?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

No.

So were there multiple guys in suits, or was that double/triple vision?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

rezinsky was his partner

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

Sweet! Blood!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

I love it when Sawyer gives Kate the "bitch, you crazy" look.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley is going to turn green. Hulk!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

OH SHIT DRAMA.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

so jack finally has a plan as opposed to running off half cocked, swearing vengeance to the others/hostiles/people with only 4 toes

― wwweb (jbweb), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

No-one ever reacts the way I expect.
1. Neither Hurley, nor anyone but Jack really, gets ANGRY at Michael. Hurley's "reaction" is to want to go home.
2. And Kate and Sawyer seem practiaclly as angry at jack as they are at Michael.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

no, SAYID has a plan.

I think Hurley was just shocked. And homeboy has issues, anyway, you know?

Sawyer looked practically HURT. I hope he tells Jack that he thought they were friends, goddammit..

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

so map was worked on by rezinsky and kelvin

kelvin left the army out of guilt from convincing sayid to torture his commanding officer?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

So, um, shouldn't Eko be dead now?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

UNLESS GOD SAVED HIM.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie will obviously make it, being hobbity and small.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

he thought they were friends, goddammit..

roffles

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, there's an off switch!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

Did he just say "They're not my friends"?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

so The Rectangle is just a hole in the rock?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

Why do I totally think that everyone left in the castaway camp is being taken? That the goal wasn't to get these people, but to get everyeone else?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I hate those f**kers!

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

the Pearl empties out into the middle of the island, and it hasn't been picked up for ages. I wish they would have read some of the notebooks.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hugh McIntyre (of the Hanso Foundation) is on Jimmy Kimmell Live tonight. I don't think I'm enough of a nerd to suffer through Jimmy Kimmell for this.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

I really hope Desmond becomes a regular next season.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

DESMOND CAUSED THE PLANE CRASH.

is it possible Kurgan was instructed to get Desmond out of the hatch at that time so the button wouldn't be pushed?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, plane mystery solved. Except the question of why/how all these weirdly related (and chosen?) people ended up on the plane is outstanding.

Jessie, that just seems like way too much planning to depend on THAT moment, after two years, for Desmond to finally sneak out.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

I love the way Charlie's hearing is fucked up.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

Sweet. Here's what happens. They try to execute the four by firing squad, but the electromagnet comes on at that moment and sucks all the bullets away, saving jack et al.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

But Kelvin was going out every day, right? So maybe he was meeting with Others for orders?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

well

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

I don't know... maybe. Doesn't seem to make sense, though.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

So what is the "business" Henry wants to get down to? Killing Michael?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

O THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... Strangely unsatisfying

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

GAH!!!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

i hate this show

abc owes me one million dollars for wasted time AND damages

― ai lien (kold_krush), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

oh come on guys, we got a ton of questions answered....we just got a ton of new ones to go with it. fun fun.

I want to know how/why, since Henry Gale is apparently in charge of the Others, he managed to get himself captured.

Also, since Mr. Friendly's name is Tom (apparently), that makes him definitely not DeGroot, right?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha, awesome.

So, who's going to save Jack, Kate & Sawyer's bacon? Sayid showing up in the nick of time, Hurley finally hulking out, Frenchwoman who's been watching from a distance the whole time, or Michael turning around and ramming the dock with the boat?

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

managed to get himself captured? or was it all part of his evil designs? (good job by whoever that actor is in bein' all grimly fiendish at the end.)

FOUR TOES?!

(also, michael/walt's boat is totally going to explode and henry "BTW I'M HIM" will laugh in a sinister way.)

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

I just realized that the website character is Persephone, not Penelope. :(

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not even looking above...

I was completely out of touch with where this show was at and just started watching season 1 last week. I started season 2 tonight, hoping I could catch up and start watching the show in "real time" (now that I'm completely effing hooked)...only to poke around and realize that the season finale is happening right now. Balls.

Oh, well. I'll be caught up with you folks (and driving myself nuts over the inevitable cliffhanger) in no time!

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hanso Careers is a tie-in with Monster.com

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

mwaaar I can't figure out the hidden clue in that site and it is bothering me to no end. some kind of anagram and I am shit at anagrams.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. two hours of red herrings, humorless hoohaw, misdirects, escalating whatever and zippo resolution. And no polar bears, even.

This writing staff here is the Bush admin of TV--we'll leave it to next season's poor bastards to clean our mess up.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 25 May 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

The darts flying out of the board and hitting bullseye on the saucepan was kinda funny. Made me realize the complete absence of jokes in the rest of the show.

Although I did laugh at "Where's your beard?"

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

zippo resolution

that's not fair, really, unless by resolution you mean complete resolution. if they resolve everything then the show is over and we're left with survivor.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

So, Locke & Eko: dead or alive?

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

And Desmond, for that matter. Killing off two fan favorites like that would seem to be a very bad move. On the other hand, Michelle Rodriguez implied that she knew who was going to die next on the show, and it seems fairly unlikely that that would be any farther along than the season three opener.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

Abrams approach to narrative: complicate the fuck out of things so people won't notice how much so much of what's going on negates other things or have your charcetrs behave in a truly silly but cliffhanfer-friendly manner that completely screws up our ability to care what happens to anyone.

(I meant thematic resolution--or resolution of *somebody's* conflict aside from Whoops! They're dead!)

If all that fails, you can always toss in a saucy JJ torture scene.

The beard line was good.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

It does make one appreciate how handily the writing staffs of Buffy/Angel, Veronica Mars or Battlestar Galactica could do this 1,254,998 times better after three botttles of Jamison without breaking a sweat.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I am still too hyper to sleep. I need some Simpsons reruns or something to calm me down.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

I thought there were Buffy/Angel writers on staff...

― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Thursday, 25 May 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

there were, last season, at least.

I thought this was okay, maybe it gave away too much for me, the result being that I don't quite buy any of it ... the Penny stuff definitely seems like a "we're making this up as we're going along" moment, but it could be good, I suppose. OC grandpa's accent wasn't very good. How come no-one seems very concerned about the END OF THE FUCKING WORLD noise and lights? It's like Henry/beardy/et al didn't even notice it the second it was over.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 May 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

I have no idea what my opinion of this episode is. On one hand, I'm a little annoyed with what at this point seems like a quadruple fake-out on the button thing. There seems to be some indication that they weren't brought to the island on purpose, which makes a lot of other story elements...well, suspect? I don't know.

I'm intrigued by the notion that this band of Others are "the good guys," and I'm really curious to understand their motivations. Like, wasn't Walt important? WTF? I'm really excited to see the next season, but c'mon, having everything we think we know turn out to be wrong seems like a rather cruel switcheroo that is just begging for a backlash.

(The only Buffy/Angel writer who has worked on Lost is David Fury, who left midway through the first season to go do 24.)

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 25 May 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

so are michael and walt getting away that easily?

or are they gonna dispatch THE DHARMA SHARK?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 25 May 2006 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

I love how after they show you the four-toed statue they give everyone in the audience just enough time to all think the exact same thing, basically ("Atlanteans? ALIENS!??") and then hit you with Sawyer's big-headed aliens crack.

Also the hatch/button thing is a big mess (which doesn't mean they can't find some satisfying way of explaining it). The fail-safe key, right; what does it do exactly? It "makes this all go away". Does that mean it saves the island/world but makes the hatch implode? Doesn't make any sense (of course)!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

I was very satisfied by this episode though. well done you Lost people. Ian, maybe the writers of Buffy/Angel, Veronica Mars or Battlestar Galactica could have done better, but the difference is that all those shows suck.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

Don't tell mark s I said that about buffy!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck. Talking shit about science fiction shows on the internet. Observe the depths to which a man may sink from staying up all hours of the night, and tremble.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

So but my major (and perhaps only) problem with this finale was the very, very end of the episode featuring Penelope getting the call from the Arctic Dudes Inexplicably Searching For Magnetic Anomalies. I think so much of the success of this show was based in isolation -- of the characters, the setting, etc. Bringing in "the outside world", which one assumes this ending sets up for season three, really detracts from the allure of Lost, does it not?

Also, is does this set up that the character can eventually be actually SAVED from this terrible place? SO CONFUSING. I will try to offer up some more thoughts tomorrow, when I am not drunk.

― cws (cws), Thursday, 25 May 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

^^^^ TYPOS = DRUNK SORRY.

― cws (cws), Thursday, 25 May 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

The outside world had already appeared in that the Others don't actually live in that dirty hippy fishing village, they just commute in on their ferry to terrorize the island!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

"end of the world fucking lights" -- we don't know for sure, do we, what is a function of the failsafe key and what is a function of the system failure? ) nor, even, do we know what the failsafe key did. did anyone else think that Henry understoos what was happenening?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

the very, very end of the episode featuring Penelope getting the call from the Arctic Dudes Inexplicably Searching For Magnetic Anomalies

Wait, what? FUCKING TIVO, you bastard! My episode ended with Charlie and Claire...

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Ian OTM.

"all your questions answered" with...more questions.

I tried. I really, really tried to be patient and accomodating. BUT:

1 - we think we know how the plane went down. Or do we?
2 - Henry is the leader of the Others. Or is he?
3 - Michael and Walt are now free. Or are they?
4 - Locke is dead. Or is he?
5- The Others are the good guys. Or are they?
6 - The Pearl was the observation sation. Or was it?
7 - We know a lot more about the Project because of Desmond and Kelvin's backstory. Or do we?

I'm not really sure what the hell we know anymore. This show, in an attempt to be endlessly clever, is more and more like trying to kick a field goal with Lucy holding the football. It presents its dramatic storyline as moving towards salvation or intellectual conclusion but it can't. "Lost" is "Gilligan's Island", a show devoted to things never changing, a show devoted to being castaway forever. Because it's a drama, there is a subtle implication of resolving storylines, but because it's a TV series with no finite ending the motivation to do so is minimal. At some point, promises must be delivered upon or the show begins to function dramatically as a giant gimmick, a trick imposed on viewers. When I shut off the TV last night, I pretty much felt like I'd been in the hatch the whole time this season with Abrams and his merry pranksters sitting in the Pearl laughing their asses off at me. I just don't see the point anymore.

― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

libby was a dharma plant, right? the boat was a trap, right?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 May 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, you know, don't credit Abrams, that guy has so little to do with things. It's Lindelof and Cuse's show. Talking about Abrams is like blaming Stan Lee for Chris Claremont's X-Men.

I do feel like the story has a forward momentum and actually quite admire the structure of season 2, but something about suddenly going "ah ha, we fooled ya!" and shifting gears as they did at the end of this episode seems more awkward than exciting.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

My prediction: turning that key and doing whatever to the electromagnetic whatsit permanently shifts the climate. The long shot of snow and the arctic dudes were a hint toward this. Remember the polar bears! Next season we'll see the tropical island disappear and the snow start.

How many toes to polar bears have?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I'm glad that ABC puts up the episodes the day after on their site, because my tivo totally chopped off that epilogue! Man, I feel so much better about the ending of the episode now. Ending on Claire and Charlie seemed so "uh, really?" to me.

But watching the last fifteen minutes again, I definitely appreciate the Empire Strikes Back vibe that they were going for...

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lynslair.com/images/BuffZoo052403PolarBearFoot.jpg

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

As I think on it, there is one switcheroo that I quite like - Locke going from feeling like he's going to save everyone by letting the button count down to zero, then having his spirit crushed once again by showing him that he's wrong, and then at the end, his insane plan yielding results that will likely rescue them at some point in the future. Nice.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Libby was def. a dharma plant ... also she said her husband (the one with the boat, who died) was named "David" -- Hurley's imaginary friend possibly?

it was a little jarring that no one reacted to the end-of-the-world violet sky and crazy noises other than covering their ears. no one said "whoa, wtf was that" ... had Henry and them seen that happen before? it was weird.

humongous pile of tubes from the Pearl was pretty funny

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Hmm... I haven't seen Empire since, when, 1980?

Don, I don't want to get into a pissing match with you, but personally I am fine with the way the story is moving forward. Of course not all our questions are answered, because if they were, that would be the end of the series. We do know much more now than we did at the end of last season. Many of your complaint points seem to me totally natural to a ongoing mystery or soap. If you want everything neatly resolved at the end of an episode, watch Murder She Wrote.

Anyway, the producers have said repeatedly that the season finale would answer at least two specific questions: 1. why did the plane crash, and 2. the Michael and Walt story would be resolved. I would love to see a little more of the Michael story (eg., boat blows up, or Michael returns willingly or unwillingly late in season three) but I'm going to go with face value. And the plane also seems more than clear.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

I was glad people seemed a little smarter in this episode, esp. the folks around Michael (i.e. working out very quickly that if he was leading them into a trap, he probably freed Henry and killed the women).

On the other hand, I wanted to punch Desmond in the mouth when girl asked him "How come you never wrote to me from prison?" and he did the meaningful silence in thing instead of saying "'Cause your daddy intercepted all my fooking letters!"

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

michael will redeem himself somehow in season three

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Oh man, another thing I loved - Mr. Eko doing Locke's big catchphrase! I was waiting and waiting for them to come back to "DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!"

libby was a dharma plant, right? the boat was a trap, right?

Well, I don't know about Dharma, but definitely Widmore, right? I think the thing now is that we have to pull apart the various competing interests - Hanso, Dharma, Widmore. It would seem that Gale and his people are affiliated with Hanso, though perhaps not Dharma or Widmore.

So it's pretty clear now that Gale was trying to get Locke to not use the button for a reason, right? Was he trying to get the island found? They focused on him when the sky went white and hummy.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

The most basic problem is that the show has gone from being about the stresses between people in a tough pickle to being about Weird Stuff Happening.

Yeah--It was pretty remarkable how quickly everyone recovered from the Big Humming White Light Show/Uber-Electro-Storm-Thingey.

Apparently, the Tree Monster is in hibernation.

When the Ancient Four Toed Satue showed up, I was like, Chariots of the Gods, man. Chariots of the Gods.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

And the plane also seems more than clear

the only thing I don't like about that resolution is that they've shown a lot of intricate planning as far as steering everyone onto the same plane ... but then it crashes through blind chance? accidentally caught in a magnetic field? I guess you are supposed to think it is "fate" ...

so what was up with that "what did one snowman say to the other snowman" thing?

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Libby was def. a dharma plant ... also she said her husband (the one with the boat, who died) was named "David" -- Hurley's imaginary friend possibly?

It seemed to me like she paused every time she was answering Desmond's questions, as though she was making it up as she was going along. I don't know if she was a Dharma plant or just a crazy pathological liar.

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

I am so mad that they didn't blow up Michael and Walt.

― Dan (BOOM) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I just wanted someone to kick Michael in the shins, at least.

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Matthew, I swear! Your comments are always worded in such a way to back up spoilers or rumors I've read elsewhere, without just sounding like you've read some spoilers.

So what actually happened between Widmore and Desmond? Widmore was hire (pay off) Desmond to do a year-long boat race around the world, as long as he promised to stay away from Libby? And then Desmond said " 'Fook you and your boat!' and decided to find his own boat and win the race himself? But Widmore's goal was to get him trapped on the island anyway, so he had to use his agent, Libby, to enable him to get lost at sea? Argh.

The Libby is a Dharma/Widmore agent think doesn't seem at all clear to me. I mean, possible, yes, but... In any case, I am glad that we will be seeing at least a bit more of her next year, as has been suggested.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

So what actually happened between Widmore and Desmond?

Desmond was in love with Widmore's daughter. Widmore hates Desmond for not being good enough for his daughter. Something happens where Desmond ends up in military jail. Widmore picks him up after his release and informs him that he's been intercepting all of the letters written to Widmore's daughter and she's going to marry someone else; on top of this Widmore offers Desmond $$$$$ to fuck off and never come back. Desmond says "fuck that" and hatches his own scheme; win a boat race sponsered by Widmore and sail off with the prize money and the daughter; however, through some twisted self-loathing and simple male stupidity he simultaneously decides that she would be better off if he went into hiding until he reappeared at this race to sweep her off her feet. In the midst of executing this plan, he meets Libby and gets her boat, then gets tracked down by Widmore's daughter who rightly says "You idiot, why didn't you call me?" He spouts some testosterone-fueled nonsense at her and runs steps, where he meets Jack. Later on, while learning how to handle his new boat, he gets thrown off course, knocked out, and washes up on the island. Etc etc etc.

― Dan (Easy Peasy) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond's plan made NO sense to me when I was watching and it makes even LESS sense now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

"ONCE I WIN THIS BOAT RACE EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT!"

― I know this is what I think when I am trying to impress a girl's dad. . . (Alex , Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, didn't Kurgan show up in the other's bunker at some point with his head not smashed in? How does that work? Or am I making that up?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

It's like the plot to a bad 80s teen movie.

x-post

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

they've shown a lot of intricate planning as far as steering everyone onto the same plane ... but then it crashes through blind chance? accidentally caught in a magnetic field? I guess you are supposed to think it is "fate" ...

This is definitely driving me nuts right now. But was it chance? It seems like Kelvin may have been deliberately trying to draw Desmond out of the hatch just before the ERROR ERROR and the crash.

I don't know, I'm really dubious about this.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

"Wait, didn't Kurgan show up in the other's bunker at some point with his head not smashed in? How does that work? Or am I making that up?"

He did? I got the impression he was pretty dead. MAYBE THE ISLAND HEALED HIM THOUGH!

I think the likely assumption is that next season there will be a lot of flashbacks from the "Hostiles/Others".

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I like Beardy. That guy's always good. I hope we see a lot more of him.

I also like the Kurgan. I'll miss him. :(

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, so far the island has healed:

- Locke's legs
- Rose's as-yet-undetermined-organ-what-had-the-cancer
- Jin's balls

Why does Sawyer still need reading glasses?

― Dan (RIDDLE ME THIS) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

From the NY Times today, Alex:

Will a rescue effort be a part of Season 3? Mr. Lindelof and Mr. Cuse would not say but allowed that if this season was about the hatch, next season will be about the Others, as led by the oblique Henry Gale (played by Michael Emerson, who will join the regular cast). Mr. Cuse listed what viewers will learn about the Others by this time next year: "Who are these people? How many of them are there? What is their history? What are they trying to accomplish?"

Beyond serving as a teaser, the finale's last minutes were incredibly important to the larger story, Mr. Lindelof said, particularly since this was the first time in 49 hours of the show that "Lost" went off the island in the present, rather than in a flashback. "It's time to actually blow up several theories of the show," he said. "People who believe that they're in purgatory or that they're subjects of an experiment are going to start reassessing those theories based on the fact that we are literally showing you the outside world."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

uh, when did we see the kurgan with the others? and where the fuck is that star trek/desert landscape area where demond killed the kurgan?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

(To go back to the Desmond thing, I think that even though he's shown in a sympathetic light the writers were definitely angling for a "but Daddy kind of has a point" angle with him, hence the batshit insane plot.)

― Dan (I'd Punt Him Out Of My Family, Too) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

It seems like Kelvin may have been deliberately trying to draw Desmond out of the hatch just before the ERROR ERROR and the crash.

Yeah, he was (possibly) running a 2-yr long psych experiment on Desmond, so he (possibly) knew what he was doing.

uh, when did we see the kurgan with the others?

I'm thinking of when Claire was pregnant and captured, but I'm probably misremembering.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

I had a THOUGHT that proves that the Others KNEW the plane was going to crash: how would they have made a list of "good people" to kidnap without knowing who was on the flight (remember, Sawyer had the flight manifest) and why would they have done so if they didn't know the plane was coming in the first place?

I am totally clinging to my belief that Kelvin was told to lure Desmond out of the hatch on that specific day. ~~That or the system failure had nothing to do with the plane coming down after all~~ (but according to the creators, it did). In any case, I don't see how Kelvin could have found the boat and fixed it without other people's help. But on the same note--both he and Rezinsky seemed to know very little about DHARMA's work on the island overall--is this a case of telling people only what they need to know to keep them from compromising the secrecy of the project? Or just the writer's shortcutting their way out of explaining who knew what when.

I wonder if Penelope knew Desmond had been taken to the island, and if she was using her knowledge of the electromagnetic research involved with it to try and pinpoint the island's location.

Libby seems more like a DHARMA mole than ever--is it possible she was crying not because of her husband, boo-hoo, but because she felt so damn bad for what she was doing (tricking Desmond into coming to the island for an indeterminate period of time)? Related to that--the orientation film says the Swan shifts are supposed to run 540 days, right? Why had that timetable been abandoned (Desmond had been there for three years)?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

I still don't understand how Desmond got from the Others' camp to his baot.

(Just kidding!)

Thanks, Dan. I think I must have turned away from the television or something when Desmond and Widmore were in the car. One minute he was showing him all the letters, and the next Desmond was in California.

Does it get us anywhere if we imagine that someone, (say the Widmore faction), wanted all these people in Los Angeles, and not necessarily on the island? That way the selection is still purposeful. It's still a ridiculous coincidence that Widmore's enemies (say the Dharma faction) happen to be under the plane, but whatever.

The other possibility is just to take what we've already seen to another step. The Swan is a lab experiment. The Pearl is a lab experiment. The Others' base is as yet unseen, and, as I suggested somewhere upthread, it seems entirely reasonable that THAT base also has the ability to observe the other hatches, including the Pearl. So maybe the failsafe is just as fake as the computer and the button.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

"I had a THOUGHT that proves that the Others KNEW the plane was going to crash: how would they have made a list of "good people" to kidnap without knowing who was on the flight (remember, Sawyer had the flight manifest) and why would they have done so if they didn't know the plane was coming in the first place?"

But they didn't have a list for the FRONT of the plane! That's why Ethan was there scouting them out, remember. Actually the inconsistency between the front and back experiences is the real puzzler.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Ethan was just there to get Claire?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

No not at all. Beardy's seems pretty upset that Ethan brought Claire to the hatch. He says "you were just supposed to watch them and make the list" or something like that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think the implication is definitely that Penny Widmore was searching for Desmond, and knew he was on the island.

Jessie, when you say Dharma, do you mean Dharma, or do you mean "somebody bad"? Because I think it's becoming clear that Dharma might not even be around anymore, that Hanso is clearly linked to Gale et al, and that Libby was acting in the interests of Widmore by getting Desmond on that boat.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Kurgan/Kelvin wasn't in the bunker with claire and ethan. The person you're thinking of turned out to be Tom Beardy w/out Beard.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

did they say to Penny "we found it" or "we found him"?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, OK.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

But they didn't have a list for the FRONT of the plane! That's why Ethan was there scouting them out, remember. Actually the inconsistency between the front and back experiences is the real puzzler.

Maybe Goodwin just made his list faster than Ethan did.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm relatively certain that Goodwin was making a list, just as Ethan was.

― Dan (Logical) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think it was "we found it."

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, but the Other's snatched people up the first night from the back of the plan, yet Ethan had been there at least a week (maybe two) and hadn't done shit.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he had access to ilx and was engagin Momus in another lengthy debate.

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

What language were the arctic chess players speaking?

Desmond's line I didn't catch last night ("snugwump") was "snowglobe." I am inclined to believe the theory posted upthread that it's going to start snowing next season.

When the magnetic pole of the earth reverses, it can cause lights in the sky.

I'm confused about timing. Desmond said he'd been sailing for 2 and a half weeks. John said they'd been there about 65 days. Didn't Desmond take off soon after John arrived?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he was procrastinating.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Do we KNOW it was the first night? Remember that episode compressed seven weeks into one hour. More importantly, as I recall, they stole the kids, so maybe they don't need to be identified one way or the other. Was there only one culling, or more?

Plus Ethan was kind of a fuck-up, anyway. Maybe it took him longer to figure whatever out.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
Maybe Desmond had access to ilx and was engagin Momus in another lengthy debate.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

What language were the arctic chess players speaking?

I've seen the people indentified as Russian, but I certainly didn't understand what they were saying. Another poster said they were speaking "bad Portuguese," but I don't know if that was a joke or not.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

It's the first night. I'm 99% sure they say it was.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

when did desmond say "snowglobe"?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

when he was talking about sailing back to the island...

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I feel like they said it was the first night, but now that someone's brought it up they may have just taken the kids that night (who, as was said upthread, obviously don't need to be evaluated).

Jessie, when you say Dharma, do you mean Dharma, or do you mean "somebody bad"?

I mean Dharma as in the hatches were definitely originally built by Dharma. Even if Dharma is long gone, the Hanso people should know what Dharma's purpose on the island was (since they financed them), so I'm wondering why Kelvin/Rezinsky didn't know that info if they were really working for Hanso/the Others/the Polar Bears.

If it starts snowing next season everybody is royally screwed since they all only packed tank tops and shorts.

xpost

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

when he was talking about sailing back to the island...

... but got turned around probably because the magnetic field screwed up his compass (as had happened to the losties trying to find their way in the jungle a long time ago and North shifted) ....

and where the fuck is that star trek/desert landscape

I think the only other time they showed that part of the island was either when they were chasing Rousseau or when Rousseau led them to the Black Rock to get the dynamite

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

so if the button was real, I guess there's a good chance the vaccine is real too, huh?

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

I've been assuming that the vaccine is real but somehow malevolent.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

but desmond was shooting himself full of it for three years and he seems alright

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, but he's also Scottish.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

What language were the arctic chess players speaking?

The Hanso Careers site had job listings for Scandinavian countries, so that's my assumption.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe the vaccine is full of OTHERS JUICE.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

So maybe the failsafe is just as fake as the computer and the button.

but something associated with the failsafe was enough to blow the Swan hatch quarantine door halfway across the island. and the computer and the button weren't fake -- in that NYT story, Cuse says you're supposed to believe that if Desmond didn't turn the key, the whole Earth would have imploded or some shit ...

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

"Maybe the vaccine is full of OTHERS JUICE."

Is it sweet like Tang?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

I guess during the previous system failure Desmond just kept inputting the numbers until the computer accepted the code? but this time they couldn't do that since Locke smashed the computer.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, so far the island has healed:
- Locke's legs
- Rose's as-yet-undetermined-organ-what-had-the-cancer
- Jin's balls

Why does Sawyer still need reading glasses?

Also, why didn't it heal nega-Henry when he was shot and Sayid fucked him up? There are still cuts all over his face.

― Holy makkara, Toivo! (OutDatWay), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

'Cause the cuts on his lip make him look like a dude you shouldn't fuck with!

The failsafe thing is weird, like:

1) The electromagnetic energy builds up, and if it's not released a little bit at a time then something really huge and bad will happen.

2) Or you could just release a medium amount of it at one time, and that will destroy the hatch but not the earth.

3) And now it will stop building up???

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm confused about timing. Desmond said he'd been sailing for 2 and a half weeks. John said they'd been there about 65 days. Didn't Desmond take off soon after John arrived?

65 days since the plane crash
18 days since Locke/Kate/Hurley/Jack opened the hatch and Desmond split

― Dan (Easy Peasy II: The Quickening) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

depends on whether the magnet got destroyed along with the hatch I guess

xpost

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, that makes sense.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Is it possible the failsafe, instead of exploding the hatch, actually reversed its polarity therefore sending the little door flying all the way to beach and the negative charge will continue to increase in strength until everything is pushed *away* from the island?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

I must have missed this exchange during the finale:

extra on the beach: "A boat!" "Hurray, we are saved!"

Jack: "Um, no, the guy who used to live in the hatch, who we don't know that well, said that boats don't work here."

extra on the beach: "Oh, okay. That makes sense. I guess I'll mill around some more."

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

My wife was mad the Jin didn't join in on the gratuitous "rip off yer shirt and swim" frenzy.

― Dan (Heh) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

I thought he would, he keeps posing with his shirt off in all of these tv/celeb magazines.

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder what walt did that was more than they bargained for.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm guessing "went through puberty".

― Dan (6'10") Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, he's older than Michael now.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

the gratuitous "rip off yer shirt and swim" frenzy

When Sayid took his shirt off, I said "when Accentmonkey sees this, she's going to wet her pants."

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

all the girls at my tv party "lost" their shit when the shirts came off

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

My reaction to that scene was "Hahaha Matthew fox forgot to do situps this morning!"

― Dan (Manly!) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder what walt did that was more than they bargained for.

Wait, what? I missed some dialogue obviously.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Henry says this line while they are on the dock preparing for M+W's big send-off

maybe his powers were too strong?

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

i suspect first episode of season three is walt flashback?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

More likely aftermath of whatever happened in the hatch plus either Hurley or Sayid/Jin/Sun returning to camp. If there is any Walt flashback, they'll keep us waiting a week or two. Same for fate of Jack/Kate/Sawyer.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

I can't decide if Sayid is going to go all lone commando and rescue the others from the Others or if they're going to spend most of season 3 on their 'behind the scenes' captivity. Probably both, and the season will take place over a week.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

I like that Michael seems to get away scott free despiting being a totally self-absorded murderous jerk and I'm amazed that they might have to leave it that way cuz there is almost no way I can imagine Walt coming back to the island (next season or any season afterward.) That ending was truly satisfyingly unsatisfying (just as the Locke-Eko ending was a beautiful cliff-hanger-but-not-quite-cliff-hanger.) Everything else was a little less good (the Anarctic thing was fine, I guess, but the Jack/Kate/Sawyer you sit here on the docks until NEXT season was meh and anytime Claire and Charlie are the last people you hear talk it's a bad sign and leaving Sayyid and Jin and Sun hanging was just poor plotting.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

SAYID IS DEF IN THE CUT WAITING.

WHY DID SAWYER, KATE AND JACK ALL GIVE EACH OTHER THE NOD.

LIKE THE OTHERS ARE 2 STEPS AHEAD, MAYBE THE PLANE PEEPS WERE 3 STEPS AHEAD. ALL PART OF THEIR PLAN...AMIRITE?

― ddb (ddb), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Jack knows Sayid is out there... did he ever say anything about it to Kate and Sawyer?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the nod was weird, I guess it was all "don't worry, Sayid's got our back and shit"

maybe they are straight infiltrating the Others just like Henry did to them

haha xpost I think you're right! he just said he had a plan, he never told them what it was

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.legendarytv.com/the_a-team/images/George_Peppard_hannibal_1.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

I just assumed the arctic/antarctic/himalayas dudes were speaking Esperanto!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

they have a job listing in Iceland on that hanso site.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

i have no idea if they were speaking Icelandic though. Or where the hell they were.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

When Sayid sent up his smoke signal, Jack said, "Wait a second, we're supposed to be near the beach but Sayid is way the fuck over there... MICHAEL!!!!!!!!!!!"

― Dan (Detail Master) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

I read somehere that the arctic monkey guys were speaking portugese.

― Bluebell Madonna (Ex Leon), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

ah right, the Others switched it up ... so now Henry can take his prisoners to who knows where and Sayid is left poking around a fake hatch

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Except Sayid saw the smoke signal himself most likely AND is also tooling around in the same waters that Michael and Walt are. Still it does seem from Kate and Jack's reaction that they may have a trick up their sleeve.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

What? I thought Sayid made the smoke signal.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember Sayid seeing the smoke signal at all! The last shot I remember of him was him looking around after finding the faux hatch looking confused and pissed and presumed he had bemusedly set the smoke signal offscreen. (Not that this changes Jack's reaction to said smoke signal; the implication was that he told the others the plan.)

― Dan (Odd) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I think Sayid set the smoke signal

but when the crazy noise went off I think they were all back in the sailboat (?)

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right, they were at see when the sky went white.

― Dan (I Remember Now) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

the moral of this story is that 2 hrs. of LOST is too much to absorb, jeez

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Okay good point about the smoke signal. I was thinking that the Other's set it, but now it's clear that Sayid set it as a warning that Michael was leadin them into a trap and that's why they were so far away from the rock, etc.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

But the plan was for him to set it anyway, and Sayid was expecting them to meet him and discuss strategy, right?

(like they would have been able to convince Michael to go to the beach)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

When Sayid took his shirt off, I said "when Accentmonkey sees this, she's going to wet her pants."

Dignity, William. In all things, dignity.

I do agree with Missus Dan Perry though. If the lads are having a shirts-off extravaganza, they could at least invite Jin.

That was all a bit HOLY FUCKING GOD, but unlike the detractors, I really, really enjoyed it.

OC grandpa's accent wasn't very good.

I think his natural Aussieness crept into his English accent a little.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 25 May 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

ALAN FUCKING DALE. Is this the first guy to have appeared in both 24 and Lost (and NEIGHBOURS)?

The first episode of Season 3 will be Jack cos it's always Jack first.
So that episode will be about what The Others do with them now. They put bags on their heads because they're taking them to their real base. My thinking is they have used Walt's eerie powers to create some sort of new test (game!) and they need the three toughest survivors as guinea pigs for it. I'm hoping this anyway because it will be great to see Jack, Kate and Sawyer be put into some Crystal Maze type shit.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

Tom's beard thing was hilarious and ridiculous I thought. His sheepish expression when 'Gale' expressed disappointment that he was not wearing the beard was priceless. But it really makes no sense that they all dress down the way they do.

I thought it was dumb to bring Hurley all that way just to send him home again. I guess we'll see him come back to the beach in the next episode but he can't try and mount another rescue party so what...? Maybe he'll run into Rousseau and hang out with her for a bit.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

i finally remembered what this show really reminds me of: "Shore Leave", the original Star Trek series episode.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

I totally didn't hear that big bird saying Hurley's name though? Did this actually happen? Is it some joke thing connected to that Hurley episode where he hallucinated the big bird in the hatch with Jin talking?

Loved Libby's hair. Had to be a trick for her to give Des the boat so easily.

Disappointed about no Cerb but presumably back with a vengeance next season (and to answer one of Ian's complaints upthread, the show has gone BACK to 'just' weird shit happening - as it was nothing but this in the beginning, what with the 'tree monster', polar bears and all - not that i think it's gonna ever be like that again).

Desmond's 'snowglobe' comment makes me think back to the Spanish comic Walt found, with the image of what looked like an island in some sort of dome...

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

i finally remembered what this show really reminds me of: "Shore Leave", the original Star Trek series episode.

Nice! And as has been said, the landscape where Des had it out with Calvin felt really reminiscent of a Star Trek planet too haha.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

I totally didn't hear that big bird saying Hurley's name though? Did this actually happen?

I even rewound that part and it sure didn't sound like the bird said "Hurley" to me .... but the Lost fan sites swear it did, and tout "the second appearance of the Hurley Bird." guh??

what looked like an island in some sort of dome...

maybe they are not in the South Pacific at all but have created a jungle island in the Arctic? (hence the polar bears?)

but then that plane would have to be REALLY off course to crash there.

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Dignity, William. In all things, dignity.

I gave that up for Lent, myself.

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

re 'second appearance' when they went to the Black Rock in season 1 finale there's that scene with the big bird wher Hurley says 'i guess that's why they call this place the dark territory' but even i don't recall the bird actually speaking to him.

the crash cause paradox is the big sticking point i guess. timing of Desmond's button failure vs devious plan concocted by Hanso. can't see how the two can be part of the same plan.

did Desmond even bury Calvin? maybe they'll find his body next season - but i guess it won't mean much.

presumably the electromagnetic surge caused Eko's brother's plane to crash too. but right on top of The Pearl? please!

how exactly did Des enter the race anyway? her Dad presumably not keeping tabs on names and details of entrants? or it was all part of the same big ruse to get Des to the island...which Penny later found out about but didn't know where it was...ergh

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

What language were the arctic chess players speaking?

i'm leaning towards oddly-spoken portugese. i heard a "por favor" there.

xp: didn't hear the bird say squat, but what the hell was it? a giant green parrot?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 25 May 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

presumably the electromagnetic surge caused Eko's brother's plane to crash too. but right on top of The Pearl? please!

No, it crashed into a big tree, remember? It fell to the ground a considerable amount of time later (when Boone went up and played around in it).

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

it was still right above The Pearl.

i assumed the two guys at the end are in Antarctica were speaking Spanish - heard 'amigo' and 'cuanto'. assumed they were Chilean or Argentinian.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

i just can't get over how dumb Desmond was with Calvin, not just saying fuck it and running outside while Calvin as asleep one night. not forcing him to reveal the map or at least tell him what was on it.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Allow me to throw in a general "wtf." Have any of the nerd boards spelled everything out yet? I need everything explained to me slowly and carefully.

It's like the plot to a bad 80s teen movie.

Yes, very "One Crazy Summer."

I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about the 4-toed statue-foot. Seriously, wtf?

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

"My thinking is they have used Walt's eerie powers to create some sort of new test (game!) and they need the three toughest survivors as guinea pigs for it."

No way are any of these three tougher than Sayid or Eko (or possibly even Jin)!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

"Yes, very "One Crazy Summer."

Set on Nantucket! Savage Steve Holland should totally direct a Lost episode.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, what else is there to say about the 4-toed statue? wtf just about covers it.

I brought up the snowman joke before but no one took me up on it so lemme try again. Kelvin says it to Des when Des first wakes up in the hatch, like it's some kind of "password" that his replacement in the hatch should know the answer to. Des doesn't know the answer but Kelvin doesn't seem to care.

Then later, Locke comes up to Desmond at his campfire and says it to him, and this time Desmond knows the answer ("it smells like carrots in here") .... did Desmond tell Locke about that when Locke first found the hatch? or try to ask them for the code word? I don't remember that at all ....

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

i think desmond did say it to locke when they first encountered each other. didn't he?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

guess he must have

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 25 May 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't get the logic of this experiment. There actually is this anomoly that could destroy the world if not properly handled? But rather than find some intelligent, humane, and primarily automated way of keeping it under control, we're going to create this strange and arbitrary aparatus that is pretty much designed to make whoever operates it lose their minds. And when they *do* lose their minds and kill themselves or each other or just run away from sheer desperation, the world may indeed end when they fail to enter the all-important numbers. Who thought this was a good idea?

And then there's the failsafe... I just don't get it.

I am becoming increasinly convinced that the Others have nothing to do with the Hanso foundation. Is there any actual evidence that they are related to Hanso/Dharma?

― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Thursday, 25 May 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

"The joke/password about the snowmen is an allusion to being cryogenically frozen."

that's from this merry band of obsessives:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-385190-the-ultimate-theory.html

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 25 May 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

An allusion that I, at least, don't get.

Whoever came up with that theory has been posting it on a lot of different boards. Some of it is interesting, but explanations like Walt seems to become a knife-throwing expert. He isn't. The metal knife was guided by the collective consciousness in an attempt to bring him closer to Locke, who is the island's most faithful servant. make the whole thing laughable.

xpost - I noticed your mention, Renard, but didn't have anything to say. It confused me, too. I'm fairly sure that we don't see when Desmond learns the answer to the riddle, although Inman did have a couple of years to tell him.

I like the idea that Hanso/Dharma/Widmore may actually be fighting among themselves, and exactly who the Others are affiliated with will be one of the big mysteries of season 3.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 26 May 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

So it wasn't actually mentioned on the thread, re: McIntyre appearance on Kimmel.

McIntyre said that the Dharma Initiative was cancelled in 1987, but that's about the only "useful" thing.

Here's the URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkYQ9ibeS30

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 26 May 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

the Hans Oersted / Hannes Alfvén part of that theory is probably on the right track but they lose me with all that "collective consciousness" hoo-ha

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 26 May 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.totallyunlimitedinc.com/v1_sc/components/com_phpshop/shop_image/product/75dc9dee90e9cf972ed97423bf414592.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 26 May 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

There is more, but that's the gist.

― cws (cws), Friday, 26 May 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

The reason I do not follow red herrings/internet clues/wild speculations is that they add nothing to my enjoyment of the show. They add nothing to anyone's enjoyment of the show. I went with it for a while, but you may as well be following the finger.

http://creative.myspace.com/groups/_jc/followthefinger/x54_ftf.gif

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Friday, 26 May 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

the unified Jeezy theory of Lost

"what did one snowman say to the other snowman?" "I got that snow, man! yeaaaaaaauhhhh"

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 26 May 2006 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

haha it only took me one google to find out that the Oersted satellite does not really orbit the earth every 108 minutes ... it's like 99 point something. doh!

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 26 May 2006 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

that finger is annoying!

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 26 May 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

The reason I do not follow red herrings/internet clues/wild speculations is that they add nothing to my enjoyment of the show. They add nothing to anyone's enjoyment of the show.

I enjoy reading the wild speculations and they do add to my enjoyment. It makes the whole thing more of a riddle or mystery to solve, with more layers than I would udderwise get just watching.

I'm tempted to check out that book a lostie supposedly wrote. It apparently contains a whole Widmore family tree that could help some puzzle pieces fall into place.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 26 May 2006 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

No way are any of these three tougher than Sayid or Eko (or possibly even Jin)!

Perhaps these are the people the Others really want, and capturing Jack, Sawyer and Kate (who are, after all, a bit thick, even if they are community leaders) is just an elaborate ruse to get Sayid, Jin (and, crucially THE UNBORN BABY) away from the main group and into Others' territory. Maybe the Others are confused because they thought that Walt was the kid they wanted, but he isn't. Really it's the baby conceived on THE ISLAND that they need.

Perhaps I am overthinking this.

Mister Monkey thinks that Sun is lying about the baby being Jin's. I don't think she would do that.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 26 May 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

On the Snowman/carrot thing, it's worth remembering Hurley tells it to Jack in Series 1 (the episode with the golf course?) as his favourite joke.

I think I might be the only one that noticed this, but Matthew Fox clearly plays one of the Artctic Monkeys, the one that phones the Widmore woman. I think he's wearing a false nose, but it's definitely him (unless somebody can prove otherwise with the credits, or something).

The interesting comparison I drew is with something said on one of the commentary tracks on the Matrix box set - at the end of the second one, the reviewers that didn't like it point out that the film is actually fairly superfluous. The plot hasn't really advanced far - the cliffhanger from the first film is still intact and largely unaltered by the second film. And Season 2 of Lost isn't hugely different:

The survivors split in 2, some on the beach and some at sea/in the hands of the Others
The Others are a mystery, but we know they're capable of violence and interested in children
There has just been a hatch-related explosion
A survivor has died in the run-up to the finale
There's a cliffhanger over the survival of three of the main cast

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 26 May 2006 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit you're right! One of the arctic guys is him! How is it that more people haven't noticed this?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 26 May 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

He has a face close-up and everything. And he's not even well-disguised.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 26 May 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, wait, shit, no: http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=41038

He really looks like jack in that shot though.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 26 May 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

WTF to that forum by the way. I thought we (I) were obsessive.
This is awesome though: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/w1nt3rmut3/EKO2.jpg

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 26 May 2006 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

No way are any of these three tougher than Sayid or Eko (or possibly even Jin)!

true Alex, but Eko and Locke effectively have an arrangement with The Others - who want them at some stage but in a different way to Jack, Kate and Sawyer i.e. they actually believe they can convert Eko and Locke to their cause willingly.

Sayid is TOO tought and clever for them I guess. I'm guessing he'll try and rescue them with Rousseau. Perhaps Jin and Sun should just take off in the boat and try and get help.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 08:35 (nineteen years ago)

"The survivors split in 2, some on the beach and some at sea/in the hands of the Others
The Others are a mystery, but we know they're capable of violence and interested in children
There has just been a hatch-related explosion
A survivor has died in the run-up to the finale
There's a cliffhanger over the survival of three of the main cast"

Not to mention that Walt ends up on the same damn boat.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

they have to work Cthulu into all of this somehow.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

i can't believe they were speaking portugese. i listen to people speaking portugese every night. in fact, i can't even watch lost on wed. nites anymore cuz i'm at work listening to people speak portugese. i can't believe i used to think that portugese was kinda like spanish. cuz i know a little spanish, and i don't understand a word of portugese. cool language though. i enjoy listening to it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry for being wrong over the Jack thing, I did say unless someone could prove otherwise.

He looked so much like him, could it be coincidental though? Setting up the "Jack's dad has lots of Dharma/Hanso/Widmore kids" plot?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

well it must be like Spanish if the guy said 'amigo' and 'cuanto' amongst other Spanish words! (xpost)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i don't think i was listening that closely when it was on. i was watching the sub-titles.

but it really isn't. yeah, they share some words, but portugese is really its own thing. spanish and italian are way closer to each other. i look at the portugese language newspapers around here, and i really can't read it. if it were like spanish, or even like italian or french, i would get a little of it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

portugese always sounds like a russian speaking spanish to me.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

that's exactly how it did sound!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

very interesting stuff. one of the official languages of East Timor!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language

(and i promise i'll stop spelling it wrong)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 May 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

Scott, Portuguese from Portugal is very different from Brazilian Portuguese.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 26 May 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i noticed that on the wikipedia page. like two different languages. i'm the only person on the housekeeping staff at the hospital at night that doesn't speak the language. i'm hoping that after 10 years of dinner breaks, i will pick some of it up.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

unsatisfying, cos last hour REALLY fckin badly sequenced - what diff would it have made to have the dock agreements and all else sorted before the system termination white light rebirth crescendo, then fading back into blizzard arctic mountains focus (do u see) > portugeezers > phone call > penny and END

and that would have been aight! you'd all still be excited!

... instead of 10 minutes of shitty floating xtended preview nxt-year-on-lost-for-retards-to-hamfistedly-'ponder' where we know already there's no huge suspense about the main bit of that episode cos they all survive and we get an apparently crowbarred-in claire kisses charlie WHO GIVES A SHIT moment

bah fux sake

― rtccc (mwah), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeh it felt like they were just winding us up with Charlie and Claire. the whole time they were on it was like FUCK - OFF. i just don't care about them. where can their arc really go of interest? will Charlie fall from grace again? will Claire's baby start doing some eerie powers? big fat meh.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

the only real thing about the charlie stuff at the end = how totally insane he turns out to be about claire that he's so like "eko & locke havent come back yet? oh well nm!" and pretending nothing really happened, v weird

even so, there's no excuse for that not being at the beginning of next season.

― rtccc (mwah), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

seeing as the hatch effectively blew up (the 'quarantine' hatch door going sky high lol), where ARE Eko and Locke? unconscious amid the debris?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

the other big thing that's been bugging me and i'm still not clear on it:

how much of what happened to Gale (killing and burying the real Gale, getting caught in Rousseau's trap, being captured by Sayid, the torture, the communication with Locke) was planned or intended by him?

Klugh implied it was not planned for him to get captured. was she lying? surely Gale would not get trapped/captured by accident?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

eko coming back for locke was really touching, i thought; touching because, i think, it wz totally underplayed with them just standing looking at each other without obv tender moment strings-of-redemption coming in. one does suspect however that they just didnt have enough time to think that bit thru properly what with all the BULLSHIT later, otherwise they would have oversugared it as per.

well anyway, fuck knows. i wish i was rather wondering if ANYONE was still alive nahmean

― rtccc (mwah), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

also does Desmond turning the key mean no more EM surges at all now? still don't quite get what happened.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

also the 2 of u thinking jack was one of the arctic guys - kill yrselves, seriously

― rtccc (mwah), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

seeing as the hatch effectively blew up (the 'quarantine' hatch door going sky high lol),

I assumed this was down to electro magnetic gubbins though, rather than an actual physical explosion. Which might mean that lock+eko are fine.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 26 May 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

but they were picking all these bits of metal, Dharma food and stuff off the beach. anything with that much force must've hit them somehow. we don't know if the hatch is even useable anymore. that Geronimo Jackson record could be unplayable now!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think they missed a trick by not having them find out that Michael shot Ana Lucia and Libby via CCTV in The Pearl too. I guess it helped add weight to the departure of Michael and Walt with the look of utter disgust on Jack and co's faces. Tough trade-off.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 26 May 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

but they were picking all these bits of metal, Dharma food and stuff off the beach. anything with that much force must've hit them somehow

Oh, that's true I suppose. Hmm. OMG, maybe it was a DIFFERENT quarantine door! From another plane!!! ahem.

that Geronimo Jackson record could be unplayable now!

Wow, I'm glad I downloaded that song about making your own kind of music before it was too late.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 26 May 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think that's the point. Kelvin (Calvin?) said "make it all go away" which could mean any number of things, including -- if the producers wanted to be punny -- simply reverse the polarity of the magnet, blowing everything away instead of pulling it in. (I keep thinking the way the hatch door flew back into the survivors' camp is a subtle clue, beyond the obvious "something happend at the hatch."

Very good question cribbed from another board:
1. Desmond doesn't push the button on schedule. There is a system failure that lasts for some short period of time. Some kind of electromagnetic force crashes plane.
2. Locke smashes computer and button isn't pushed on schedule. There is a system failure that lasts for some period of time longer than first, which we can assume because the force of the magnet is so strong as to crumple the clock.

Something doesn't add up -- if the magnet is so strong as pull the plane apart at that distance, why didn't it crumple the clock then? Or, from the other perspective, what happened elsewhere on the island during the second system failure? Wouldn't other metal things be flying toward the hatch? (Maybe someone who watched via torrent can answer that.)

I'm not sure how to resolve this apparent conflict. Perhaps the magnet is unidirectional? Perhaps during Desmond's failure there was actually someone sitting in an as-yet unseen control room who "aimed" it somehow?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 26 May 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

They were picking all these bits of metal, Dharma food and stuff off the beach.

No (or maybe no) Steve. Remember they built those storehouse shelves to store all the food that was dropped from the sky.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 26 May 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, see I thought those food cans had just been pulled from the shelves towards the hatch by the magnets. But then Steve's right, that doesn't fit with the door flying away (before dropping back), and it also seems like they hadn't moved that far, certainly not far enough to indicate the same magnetism was strong enough to pull planes from the sky. Hmm.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 26 May 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm on board with the reversed polarity thing until it's proven false.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

"how much of what happened to Gale (killing and burying the real Gale, getting caught in Rousseau's trap, being captured by Sayid, the torture, the communication with Locke) was planned or intended by him?"

I think none of it was planned.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 26 May 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

the Henry Gale thing kind of plays into the possible Widmore vs. Hanso fite

the "real" Henry Gale is flying a Widmore balloon (on another "race" around the world? pretext to lure someone else to the island?) .... but after crashing on the island he gets killed by fake Henry .... perhaps to steal his identity and infiltrate the Widmore doings on behalf of Hanso peeps ... but then he accidentally gets caught in Rousseau's net

still got no idea what that Widmore pregnancy test is all about

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Do we know for sure that notHenry killed realHenry? (Or did it recently?)

Also, what was the timeline between the food drop and the balloon? Is it possible that the balloon dropped the food and then crashed?

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

nah the food drop was after they already had the fake Henry locked up

some weird stuff on this DJ Dan site. apparently an ABC sponsored thing designed to look like a fan site. I can't stop myself from nerding out over this shit. dammit Lost, I hate u.

shark
http://www.djdan.am/conspiraspy.html

sloth?
http://www.djdan.am/mythic-beast.html

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 26 May 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond will totally somehow have survived. It's not in their style to hint at the story of how he went to prison and not eventually flesh it out.

No way, yeah, it totally is.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Do we know for sure that notHenry killed realHenry?

No, not for sure. I think it's what we were meant to assume, but I'm inclined to believe Henry when he says "we're the good guys", and I suspect the real Henry Gale probably copped it some other way.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 26 May 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

The magnet may have affected flight 815's instruments in such a way that it flew into the island, rather than actually pulling the plane in, so it wouldn't have to have been clock-crushingly strong then.

Also, unmagnetized metal can't be repelled by a magnet regardless of its polarity, so a hatch door shouldn't have been blown away so forcefully. Like polarities repel, but both items have to be magnetic. Unless this is a new Lostian physics.

― nickn (nickn), Friday, 26 May 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps it was a magnetic door and that's why Locke had to blow it off in the first place. *shrug*

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 26 May 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

haha I totally forgot, but, the only thing that really bothered me about this episode was when Eko tried to blow up the BLAST DOORS.

BLAST doors Mr. Eko. BLAST doors.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 26 May 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Nickalish!

Yeah, that was hilarious. And THIS is what happens when you make stupid-ass plans!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 26 May 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

still got no idea what that Widmore pregnancy test is all about

This is probably the LEAST confusing thing! Widmore owns Widmore Labs, a pharmeceutical company. The pregnancy test itself probably isn't meaningful, but it's a nod to this man's wealth and corporate entity.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 27 May 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

The pregnancy test itself probably isn't meaningful

seems meaningful when they show it in close-up for a good long while and someone asks, "Who travels on a plane with a pregnancy test?"

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 27 May 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Pregnancy tests are common in most medical kits (esp ones that appear as well stocked as Jack's). If there's a chance a patient might be pregnant, it's best to know for certain.

― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 27 May 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think the closeup was primarily to give us time to see the "Widmore Labs" brand.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 27 May 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i think so too. But the test wasn't in the medical kit was it, it was found in a passenger's luggage? Originally I thought the 'who travels with a pg test?' comment was providing an opening for a story along the lines of: Sun thought she may have been pg before reaching the island and had been planning to do the test after she'd given Jin the slip at the airport, and it had been in HER luggage all along. (Ie. the baby ISN'T Jin's, Sun has been lying and Jin's balls are not healed by the island magic after all.) But as ever there was no follow up.

― Archel (Archel), Saturday, 27 May 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

steve up thread "ALAN FUCKINBG DALE" :-D

we were "JIM FUCKING ROBINSON, DUDES!!" here. and no he's not first person on lost/24. the russian premier on this recent 24 season was also in the '?' episode as the psychic who also in season 1 telling claire to go on the plane! OMG!

it WAS portuganese. it WASN'T matthew fox

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

so one crucial thing for me (alluded to up thread) was that Locke's crisis (and reason for being wrong) was precipitated by two things - the pearl "observation" implying that the button task was pointless, and notHenry's taunting during the lockdown ep. so henry MUST have typed in the numbers so did he just say he didn't to mess with him? he was doing that a lot, in a "divide and rule" sort of way to set him against jack etc.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

desmond will surive. otherwise Penny having gone to what looks like great efforts to find him will be really pissed off

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

so did he just say he didn't to mess with him?

I figure that's Option 1. Option 2 is that fake henry wanted the button not to be pushed at some later date but did not want to be in the vicinity when that happened.

(on the other hand, since not pushing the button apparently was gonna cause Armageddon for real, that's kind of a short-sighted strategy on fake henry's part) (but he showed almost no reaction when the sky went white so it's almost like he was expecting it)

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 27 May 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

and no he's not first person on lost/24.

Also Jack's dad was the potential-terrorist daddy on the second season of 24.

And Hurley's imaginary friend played the human rights lawyer on 24 last year.

And Jin was Agent Tom Baker, etc.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 27 May 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

good heavens! thankfully we have http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page to update then...

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

also "Hurley's imaginary friend played the human rights lawyer on 24 last year" - TORTURE HIM NOW that interfering do-gooder BASTARD :-D

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Desmond was a German agent earlier on 24 this year.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 27 May 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

desmond will surive.

Surely Locke must survive too. The writers wouldn't be so dumb as to kill off their best character, would they?

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Saturday, 27 May 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

sure

while clicking around following fan refs, i found this book Lord Kelvin's Machine which sounds amazing

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

So should we maybe start an It's Coming! It's Coming! It's in the Ancipation! The Official *LOST - SUMMER SPECULATION* Action & Adventure Thread! ? We're at about 3150 posts now in this one.

― cws (cws), Saturday, 27 May 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Given that the "Lost Experience" website nonsense is supposed to carry us through till the fall, maybe the best bet would actually be to move over to that thread.

― pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 27 May 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

forfuxake, is it really true that desmond's full name is Desmond David Hume? DO YOU SEE!!!

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Live_Together%2C_Die_Alone

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 27 May 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I am all for a new thread, as this one takes longer to load than it does to read at this point.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Saturday, 27 May 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

It's Coming! It's Coming! It's in the Trees! The Official *LOST - SUMMER SPECULATION 2006* Action & Anticipation Thread!

Should someone lock this up?

― cws (cws), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

If I can load it with my glacial dial-up, I don't know what y'all's problem is. Settings!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

G'bye, season 2 lost thread! I'm sorry I got angry with you near the end. You were actually pretty great really.

omg, my relationship to this thread = my realtionship to my ex gf.

― JimD (JimD), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

great idea for a new thread. i am always afraid that ilx will blow up when threads get this long.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

Can we have a thread where we remember the highs and lows of this thread? It started with a battle for thread supremacy. It ended with many questions.

I started rereading this thread and next thing I knew it was 2044. I got that uncomfortable feeling I get when reading old journals -- we were so naive back then. I'll miss this thread. It has been almost the only thread I frequent these days.

Good bye, It's Coming! It's Coming! It's In The Trees! (God I Love Scott And His Exuberant And Overly Lengthy And Weirdly Capitalized Thread Titles!!!)

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Sunday, 28 May 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

just watched these, last night, and tried to read as much of this, this morning, as I could

LOL at pleased to mitya & Jessie the Monster energetic speculation

yes. Penny Widmore --> Penelope

= Jack's wife?

amongst others

disappointed there weren't clearer conclusions but I guess I don't really want proper conclusions for another year or two and what we saw did answer and pose more questions as they were bound to

LOL refs: david hume (1. scottish 2. free will Vs. determinism etc), lord kelvin from jules verne's "around the world in eighty days" (1. desmond's trip do you see 2. if fogg suceeded he would take kelvin's position in the royal society), penelope (1. odysseyus's faithful wife 2. desmond's trip do you see), bet there were more

liked finding out that desmond crashed the plane, liked the magnet thing going crazy and the flying cutlery & darts and stuff, haha liked the big four-toed colossus foot, kind of liked the connection of desmond's despair w/ locke's and des hearing locke banging and turning on the light that locke saw etc, tom's beard was v funny too

this whole widmore/hanso/dharma speculation almost feels detached from the actual show because we have v few concrete or def connected and v many disparate or v separate bits & pieces

cathy kept saying "do they deserve it?", about michael (w/ walt) and about charlie (w/ claire) and I dunno

it was good

gonna read your speculation thread, now!

haha, just thought of another LOL ref (someone mentioned the empire strikes back, upthread, (which I can see, in a few ways)): "blast doors" and, haha, eko base!!!

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 08:03 (nineteen years ago)

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It's Coming! It's Coming! It's In The Trees! The Official ILX *LOST - SEASON 2* Action & Adventure Thread!

It's Coming! It's Coming! It's In The Trees! The Official ILX LOST - SEASON 2 Action & Adventure Thread!