Bush's nominee to replace O'Connor is Harriet Miers

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And nearly *every* right-leaning site I've checked out so far to gather reaction has either been incredibly wary or astoundingly pissed off. It's kinda amazing -- Bush may have turned a substantial number of his base against him more readily than the left ever could have done. But it's early days yet...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

She has mean eyes.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Frum called her as a potential dark horse candidate some months back and has this to say:

I worked with Harriet Miers. She's a lovely person: intelligent, honest, capable, loyal, discreet, dedicated ... I could pile on the praise all morning. But nobody would describe her as one of the outstanding lawyers in the United States.

A couple of days ago:

In the White House that hero worshipped the president, Miers was distinguished by the intensity of her zeal: She once told me that the president was the most brilliant man she had ever met. She served Bush well, but she is not the person to lead the court in new directions - or to stand up under the criticism that a conservative justice must expect.

The flack of flacks has just been nominated and even the other flacks can't handle it! This is going to be interesting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

From David Frum's NRO column:

"I worked with Harriet Miers. She's a lovely person: intelligent, honest, capable, loyal, discreet, dedicated ... I could pile on the praise all morning. But nobody would describe her as one of the outstanding lawyers in the United States. And there is no reason at all to believe either that she is a legal conservative or - and more importantly - that she has the spine and steel necessary to resist the pressures that constantly bend the American legal system toward the left. "

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

Whoops. Great minds and all that sort of thing.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

It's an age of mediocrity. What more can be said?

salexander (salexander), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

How long until I read "Souter with tits" on a wingnut website?

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

I figured Hugh Hewitt would be all 'it's good, c'mon, Bush would never do something wrong!' -- and so it proved. But if you read that piece, it seems his argument in favor of Miers is:

1) she has worked for Bush for many years and therefore should not be disqualified for that reason alone (the hell?)

2) she has experience in fighting terrorism (uh-huh)

Of course the more telling bit is him saying: "The president is a poker player in a long game. He's decided to take a sure win with a good sized pot. I trust him." Of course you do, dear.

Leonard Leo and Jay Sekulow are also all "Yay the President can do wrong!" -- but that sure ain't the overwhelming feeling elsewhere. Instapundit is 'underwhelmed' and is pulling together a slew of links, generally not positive. Meanwhile, there's a claim that Sen. Reid is happy with the choice, while the wingnuts at ConfirmThem are thoroughly peeved if not angered.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, this is my favorite reaction so far:

After the Roberts pick conservatives swooned and said Bush doesn't care about “diversity”; it's only high qualifications that matter to this bold, let-the-chips-fall-where-they-may leader, etc., etc. Don't we have to take all that back now?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

The vitriol's a-flyin' on Confirmthem.com, Ned. Check out this aggrieved poster:

"Miers is a disastrous, enigma on Roe pick. bush has betrayed us and lied to us in two elections. We ought to abandon this administration, stop giving dollars, stop activism.
We fought tooth and nail on the promise of Scalias and Thomases. With incredibly able judges around Bush chose a crappy lightweight just because he liked her."

So for whom are betrayed Bushies gonna vote in '08?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

Frist.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

she once told me that the president was the most brilliant man she had ever met.

!!!

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Exactly how fucked up do you have to be to be a fan of CLARENCE THOMAS?????

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

With incredibly able judges around Bush chose a crappy lightweight just because he liked her.

Uh, hadn't they noticed that Bush does this with almost every position of importance? The FEMA fiasco is proof of that.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

If the fundies are genuinely p.o.'d, this could bode well for a big ideological dustup in the '08 primaries. But not, of course, if she should prove to be one of them.

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Lots of scales falling from eyes here -- though really it was always self-delusion, kinda had to be! NRO world is great for that because there are all these constant undercurrents of 'argh, it really IS that bad' about Bush, which are always followed up by them posting 'cheer up surely he is a GOOD man' letters from their readers. They'll try it again but even Lopez found herself caught out (and hearing it from the readers as a result).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Podhoretz mumbled this today over there -- an interesting point, actually:

One of the dumbest things being said today about Harriet Miers is that she has no paper trail. She has a colossal paper trail, and a potentially dangerous one too -- as one of the two honchoes of a law firm in Texas called Locke Liddell and Sapp. This means that every case taken by Locke Liddell and Sapp during her time as chief partner is part of her "paper trail." It's true she has said nothing about abortion. But what about making money defending, say, polluters? Or tobacco companies? One really controversial case might give Democrats sufficient cover to oppose her en masse and, depending on the circumstance, might be enough for a few Northeastern Republicans to go off the reservation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

The true believers are mad cuz they can't tell if she's a true believer, but is there any reason to think she's not? How hard would it be to extend her G.W. worship to Fat Tony worship and just become an avid camp follower of the constitutional fundamentalists?

Anyway, what do you want to bet that we'll soon hear a story about how Bush and Miers were working late one night ("late" for Bush being 7:30 p.m.), poring over the lists of candidates, when Miers made some sparkling observation, and GW looked up at her, intently, appraising her anew in the Oval Office lamplight, and said, "What about you, Harriet?" ("At first I thought he was joking," she will tell us, with a self-deprecating laugh.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

The true believers are mad cuz they can't tell if she's a true believer, but is there any reason to think she's not? How hard would it be to extend her G.W. worship to Fat Tony worship and just become an avid camp follower of the constitutional fundamentalists?

Not hard at all, really. It goes both ways, and thus Podhoretz's point is an interesting one -- the focus being so much about abortion, what about something else instead?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, what do you want to bet that we'll soon hear a story about how Bush and Miers were working late one night ("late" for Bush being 7:30 p.m.), poring over the lists of candidates, when Miers made some sparkling observation, and GW looked up at her, intently, appraising her anew in the Oval Office lamplight, and said, "What about you, Harriet?" ("At first I thought he was joking," she will tell us, with a self-deprecating laugh.)

Argh. I want to punch someone in the neck now.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

If I was a Christian right type, I'd be feeling pretty used right now.

Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

I just don't see how they couldn't see that they were being used from the get-go! Did they think that political games weren't actually political games?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

they did raise the point on the local radio show today that she's also been advising the white house on the Plame/Rove thing. Not that it'll ever go that far, but what happens if she got on the court and had to sit over charges against these guys?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Dude, ANNA NICOLE SMITH got to the Supreme Court. Anything is possible now.

The Ghost of Move Over, Wapner (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

can someone post those frum columns i cant get them

anthony, Monday, 3 October 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

All who beheld it rejoiced, and praised the Lord, and took courage.

Only Priscilla averted her face from this spectre of terror,

Thanking God in her heart that she had not married Miles Standish;

Shrinking, fearing almost, lest, coming home from his battles,

He should lay claim to her hand, as the prize and reward of his valor.

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

Supreme Court justices can remove themselves from cases if there is a conflict. Which justice refused to sit out a Cheney related case even though he plays golf with the VP?

You'd think the Christian right would see things more clearly, but they're probably blinded by their conviction.

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Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Scalia.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

I just don't see how they couldn't see that they were being used from the get-go! Did they think that political games weren't actually political games?

It's very interesting how few fundamentalist Bush supporters DON'T think that and never will. Stepping back a couple of days, here's what increasingly disillusioned crust Derbyshire noted:

"What surprises me is how many of my conservative friends are still hot’n’heavy for W. Some of them are born-again Christians, and Bush is a born-again Christian, and that’s what does it for them. Fair enough, I suppose, if that’s the most important thing in your life, but what about the rest of us?"

There have been a few cases over time -- the occasional column and op-ed piece, or brief news story -- about how a number of noted fundamentalist activists who had supported the GOP for years finally had to let go when they realized that they weren't getting anywhere, or that they were indeed being used. It's the same ideological disappointment most extremists eventually feel with their more widely accepted counterparts in the mainstream, but sometimes it takes something big to shake them up out of it.

In the past few weeks, Bush has successfully angered both the small-government base and now the fundamentalist base. Hey, anything to cause the big tent to finally collapse...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Wonkette's having fun with her today, find an article listing stuff like:

She is immensely, perhaps irrationally, into birthdays: "She always remembers everybody's birthday, and has a present for them. She'll be finding a present for somebody in the middle of the night.... 'Can't it wait until next week?' 'No,' she'd say, 'It has to be done now.'"


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but they're probably blinded by their conviction.

yeah, that and daddy/authority issues. can't question those in authority who God put into power now, can we?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Sullivan, who has been having fun with it all today (in a bitter sense), just posted this:

Here's an excerpt from the president's announcement on Harriet Miers. Among the charities that Harriet Miers has worked for are the following:

[T]he Young Women's Christian Association, Childcare Dallas, Goodwill Industries, Exodus Ministries, Meals on Wheels and the Legal Aid Society.

Stop right there. Exodus Ministries? Does he mean this or this? We need to know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

"Souter with tits"

Alleged tits, please. Remember, she's an old maid.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)


• Not even the president can think of much interesting to say about her: In 1996, at an Anti-Defamation League Jurisprudence Award ceremony, Bush introduced Miers as a "pit bull in Size 6 shoes," a tag line that has persisted through the years, in part because colorful anecdotes or descriptions about Miers are notoriously difficult to find.

Also from Wonkette...

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Harry Reid on Miers:

The statement of Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) as released to RAW STORY.

“I like Harriet Miers. As White House Counsel, she has worked with me in a courteous and professional manner. I am also impressed with the fact that she was a trailblazer for women as managing partner of a major Dallas law firm and as the first woman president of the Texas Bar Association.

“In my view, the Supreme Court would benefit from the addition of a justice who has real experience as a practicing lawyer. The current justices have all been chosen from the lower federal courts. A nominee with relevant non-judicial experience would bring a different and useful perspective to the Court."

VERY interesting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah, this one's goign to be interesting. What i got from hearing from Reid's support is that he's trying to hide a grin and openly enabling El Doofus in mucking about his own support/party/establishment/etc.

"Dude, go for it. Totally. She'll be fine. Seriously. I'll behind you all the way."

Kinda the same way Reid was behind nominating Scalia as Chief Justice earlier this year...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Reuters:

The White House quickly noted that some Democrats had urged Bush to consider the Dallas-born Miers but would give no names. One of those, however, was Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

More hash on Miers -- a piece from last year.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

(And it's been confirmed the 'Exodus Ministries' in question is the first choice and not the second, thankfully.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Powerline calls the nomination 'a disappointment' = heheheh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

What a weird pick.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Or a completely obvious pick. It's one of the two. She's not going to have an easy confirmation either way.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Another reason for Bush not to pick ... Gonzales or Miers is this: One of the Democratic talking points that is getting some traction is the Crony Talking Point -- the idea that this presidency is made up of friends and friends of friends who all do business together and whose qualifications matter less than their connections to GWB. Since nobody on earth aside from Bush would actually consider Gonzales or Miers a suitable Supreme Court nominee, the appointment of either would smack precisely of the cronyism with which he is (in my view) being unfairly tarred. Bush would be giving his critics some very serious ammunition to use against him at a time when he can't afford to do such a thing.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_09_25_corner-archive.asp#077952

'hey, stop doing that thing youre unfairly accused of doing!!'

_, Monday, 3 October 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

also she looks like rutger hauer

_, Monday, 3 October 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

My favorite NRO post was from Mark Levin: "I am actually hoping there are no more vacancies during this presidency."

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

So who does this make happy, apart from Harry Reid? What's the political angle? Is it just that Reid promised no filibuster? And if he did promise that, can he deliver?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

It does create a bit of a dilemma for the Dems -- if they filibuster and go all out and actually block her, that gives the White House some leeway to say, "OK, fine, you want qualifications?", and then dig out some female John Roberts.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.dmagazine.com/admin/content/uplimages/8084_harriet.jpg
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

_, Monday, 3 October 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

So who does this make happy, apart from Harry Reid?

i dunno. at this point, i'm quite happy to let the preznit's remaining supports boil for a while. enable the hubris, remove all feedback control mechanisms so that the engine runs so hard that you get cataclysmic system failure(which we might be watching unfold).

but yeah, when you're under fire for appointing political cronies who clearly don't know their shit, nominating somebody who's never been a judge before for the supreme court is a bit questionable.

Almost as much as appointing your chief political advisor/campaigner
as responsible for overseeing relief & rebuilding efforts for a locality devasted by natural disaster.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

The American Center for Law & Justice (Founder: Pat Robertson) is already championing her, so don't be so quick on the fundie-betrayal angle.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/POLITICS/10/03/scotus.miers/top.bush.miers.ap.jpg

"I pooed my pants, Ma"

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

Looks like he's still in the pooing process.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

It does create a bit of a dilemma for the Dems -- if they filibuster and go all out and actually block her, that gives the White House some leeway to say, "OK, fine, you want qualifications?", and then dig out some female John Roberts.

If I was of a conspiratorial mind, I'd say that this statement was OTM. Pick someone doomed to fail and then zing everyone with a Robertsesque second choice. If the Democrats try to filibuster a second nominee, well LOOK WHO'S HOLDING UP THE GOVERNMENT AGAIN.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

I don't think the Dems are gonna filibuster her. They may not vote for her, but they aren't going to waste political capitol on a cipher like this lady.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

And she might not win a straight up and down vote anyway. I'm not so sure conservatives are gonna be thrilled with this pick any more than democrats.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

She HAS written about W's dog:

http://villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/


Yeah the Dems have to save that political capital ... for .... ummm ...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Other stuff they want to protest.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

here i was all ready for someone like janice rogers brown, and now i don't know what to think. it can't really be cos she's a loyalist, can it? and not that i'd rather have JRB, but i'd rather not have my highest legal body staffed with a lightweight, thanks.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

So now the party that wants to abolish affirmative action because they say it promotes underqualified people on the basis of race and gender has nominated two underqualified people to the Supreme Court on the basis of race and gender.

Can we just abolish affirmative action for Republicans?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Just read the Corner, it's turning into a pit of despair over there with occasional flickers of 'well, maybe...' but not many. Two bits I giggled at:

Just talked to a very pro-Bush legal type who says he is ashamed and embarrassed this morning. Says Miers was with an undistinguished law firm; never practiced constitutional law; never argued any big cases; never was on law review; has never written on any of the important legal issues. Says she's not even second rate, but is third rate. Dozens and dozens of women would have been better qualified. Says a crony at FEMA is one thing, but on the high court is something else entirely. Her long history of activity with ABA is not encouraging from a conservative perspective--few conservatives would spend their time that way. In short, he says the pick is “deplorable."

---

In our editorial board meeting this morning, one of my colleagues, a fellow who is high on Miers and who is to the left of me, was exulting over Bush sticking a shiv in the back of social and religious conservatives with this pick. And I'm thinking that the president is so embattled on so many fronts right now, from the Iraq debacle to the Katrina mess to the GOP's ethical scandals, that he doesn't need to alienate his base. I think he has just alienated his base, which had every reason to expect better of him.

And there's lots more. I'm honestly entertained by this.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, the third person on the list of endorsements the GOP is sending out is one Senator Harry Reid. Heheheheh.

You should actually read the whole list -- there's stuff like this:

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY): "[W]hen I Choose Judges In New York, I Look For Practical Experience. And So The Fact That She Hasn't Been A Judge Before, To Me Is Actually A Positive, Not A Negative." (Sen. Charles Schumer, Press Conference, 10/3/05)

CBS' John Roberts: "The President Conducts A Nationwide Extensive Search For The Best Person For The Job To Be The Nominee To Be Associate Justice To Replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor And Finds Her Down The Hall." (CBS' "The Early Show," 10/3/05)

And these are supposed to be *positive* endorsements! Good job, guys! I wonder which Kool-Aid drinker at the GOP had to type this up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

I can only hope the NRO despair is justified. I just can't help but think she'll go in there with the directive to "just watch what Tony does." If loyalty is her major character trait, she's gonna need someone to be loyal to. And if arrogant bluster disguised as machismo appeals to her (which her adoration of the W would suggest), she'll be all over Scalia.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if Bush is sharing his trimspa with the staff.

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O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

she'll be all over Scalia

I *so* didn't need that visual.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

It just occurred to me that Jon Stewart and company might not have to write up a show today, as their work is being done for them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

xpost: yeah i'm entertained too Ned but i'm more concerned with her being a shitty justice!

if anything, this cuts against the popular left understanding of GWB that he is a drawling figurehead while the rest of the crew take care of the actual work. of course we know that his 2nd-admin cabinet changes were based on loyalty and not idealogy, but if Miers really is such an unqualified candidate, it suggests that things are organized around his easy monomania to god knows what bottomless degree. no one could just give him a list of 10 solid conservative choices that aren't too off the charts and have him pick one? why would anyone in his circle go along with this if the reaction has been so immediately (and one assumes predictably) pissy?

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

xpost: yeah i'm entertained too Ned but i'm more concerned with her being a shitty justice!

Black humor is the modus operandi these days. Else my sanity would collapse.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

I stopped worring about shitty justices when I learned to live with Scalia. Can you get any worse? really? Can someone treat him to a lot of deep fried fatty foods please?

I wished Miers looked more like Roddy Piper than Rutger Hauer.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

I mean, as cruel as this sounds, I felt a little bit of sunshine when I heard about Rehnquist's passing. It was like one of the wicked witches dying.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

The sight of a bunch of white-haired men grilling a woman about her lack of "qualifications" and "experience" will likely be worse for the people on the grilling side.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Didn't any of you watch Legally Blonde?

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Nope, but I saw parts of White Chicks. This movie may be more applicable.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

DAN PERRY IS HARRIET MIERS?!?!?!?!

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

i saw
http://www.famouslocations.com/images/movies/nighthawks_.jpg

_, Monday, 3 October 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Both, obviously.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

You know, dancing with tears in your eyes, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

An amusing bit from Lowry:

Just talked to a couple of people in the Bush orbit who was making the case for Miers. Comes down to: Bush has made good judicial picks to this point, so why would he suddenly go south now?; Miers has overseen the selection process that has produced many conservative nominees; she might not have a paper trail on hot-button issues before the court, but she has something more important: Bush's absolute confidence that she is his sort of judge and that she won't “grow” in office; everyone who works with her has the highest regard for her deep principle, and she is a well-grounded individual. The bottom line is “trust us.”

How hollow it all sounds.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

she won't “grow” in office

har har. "don't worry; she'll be appropriately clueless once installed..."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

More hilarity -- Santorum on Miers -- "Er, um, uh."

Some of Miers' background -- yeah, supporting the International Criminal Court makes perfect sense with the rest of Bush's re...hey, wait!

And did we mention the securities fraud?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

So now the party that wants to abolish affirmative action because they say it promotes underqualified people on the basis of race and gender has nominated two underqualified people to the Supreme Court on the basis of race and gender.

Can we just abolish affirmative action for Republicans?

Affirmative action != trying to make public relations gains by not nominating two white dudes

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 3 October 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

i'm not taking a position on harriet miers yet (though noting w/ disapproval the fact that she appears to be little more than dubya's toady). that said, i DO take some pleasure in the fact that this nomination has really pissed off two of my least favorite groups of people -- the right-wingnuts (no further explanation needed) AND the credentials snobs (i.e., those oh-so-brilliant folks who think that the only brilliant -- hell, the only COMPETENT -- legal minds are those who made Law Review at Harvard/Yale/Stamford [with an occasional bone thrown to the likes of Chicago, Columbia, or Penn]).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

I stopped worring about shitty justices when I learned to live with Scalia. Can you get any worse? really? Can someone treat him to a lot of deep fried fatty foods please?

sure you can -- worse would be Chief Justice Clarence Thomas (who, when he isn't being Scalia's judicial sock-puppet, has views that even Fat Tony thinks are harsh).

luckily, though, we seem to have dodged THAT bullet.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

This is Harry Reid's first demonstration of political savvy. He can now chortle triumphantly.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

I think of him as more of a snickerer.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

He's just succeeded in dividing the GOP in a way that hasnt been seen in a long time.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

*snicker*

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

And here's Bill Kristol (whom James Wolcott calls the Cheshire Cat because of his habit of smiling and twinkling even after being told his mother was raped by polar bears):

I'M DISAPPOINTED, depressed and demoralized.

I'm disappointed because I expected President Bush to nominate someone with a visible and distinguished constitutionalist track record--someone like Maura Corrigan, Alice Batchelder, Edith Jones, Priscilla Owen, or Janice Rogers Brown--to say nothing of Michael Luttig, Michael McConnell, or Samuel Alito. Harriet Miers has an impressive record as a corporate attorney and Bush administration official. She has no constitutionalist credentials that I know of.

I'm depressed. Roberts for O'Connor was an unambiguous improvement. Roberts for Rehnquist was an appropriate replacement. But moving Roberts over to the Rehnquist seat meant everything rode on this nomination--and that the president had to be ready to fight on constitutional grounds for a strong nominee. Apparently, he wasn't. It is very hard to avoid the conclusion that President Bush flinched from a fight on constitutional philosophy. Miers is undoubtedly a decent and competent person. But her selection will unavoidably be judged as reflecting a combination of cronyism and capitulation on the part of the president.

I'm demoralized. What does this say about the next three years of the Bush administration--leaving aside for a moment the future of the Court? Surely this is a pick from weakness. Is the administration more broadly so weak? What are the prospects for a strong Bush second term? What are the prospects for holding solid GOP majorities in Congress in 2006 if conservatives are demoralized? And what elected officials will step forward to begin to lay the groundwork for conservative leadership after Bush?


William Kristol is editor of The
Weekly Standard.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Dobson likes her. Hmmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Well, Dobson is holding out until the confirmation hearings. So sez Andrew Sullivan.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Souter was not a vote to overturn Roe. Replace Stevens with Mary Ann Glendon and you have 5 votes, at least for a series of cracks in the foundation. Legislation was given to business, the courts were given to the fundies.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Interesting TalkLeft post.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and her 'blog'. No, really. It *must* be.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

What are the prospects for a strong Bush second term?

Collapsing around your ears, Bill. I think even another terrorist attack would work against him at this point.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Exactly how fucked up do you have to be to be a fan of CLARENCE THOMAS?????

Actually, I think Thomas' constitutional jurisprudence makes a hell of a lot more sense than Nino Scalia's . . . even though both of them are batshit crazy.

J (Jay), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

There's a league of difference between following and understanding someone's logic and being their fan!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Scalia's decisions are much more entertaining.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

*Written decisions*

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

He's just succeeded in dividing the GOP in a way that hasnt been seen in a long time.

I think you're giving Reid far too much credit. And the GOP/its base far too much credit to think they're not just going to fall in line again and again.

As with Roberts, certain elements of the GOP sigh and signal their disapproval to make the Democrats look worse when they talk about voting down or filibustering the nominee.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

"I think you're giving Reid far too much credit. And the GOP/its base far too much credit to think they're not just going to fall in line again and again."

Perhaps. But then you get Sen. Dick Durbin smiling and lookign pleased as punch; meanwhile Judicial Committee Chairperson Arlen Spector sounded positively circumspect if not dour. Reverse these positions and you get the Roberts nomination chatter two months ago. It can only be Harry Reid telling his senators, "Let the president have this one. We're thinking of dividing the GOP base and thus winning in 2008." It may be shortsighted since this woman will serve longer than any president who gets elected in '08, but it's the first sign of a Machiavellianism no Democrat has displayed since Bill Clinton left office.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

The Dems currently seem to be employing a rope-a-dope strategy -- let the Republicans have everything, run everything, do everything, all the while accumulating political capital for a couple of good roundhouses come election time.

Might not work, but it's as good as anything given the circumstances (circumstances including the absence of a clear Democratic agenda).

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

i for one am quite offended by her disgusting garish blue suit. hello fashion?

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

This means we've effectively entered the 'Caligula names his horse consul' portion of Pax Americana, right?

So I can expect a couple more centuries of glorious debauchery before we implode and take Western Civilization with us. Phew.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

also, she is 60, unmarried, no children. something ain't right with this broad.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Have you seen her eyes? Freaky as hell.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

This means we've effectively entered the 'Caligula names his horse consul' portion of Pax Americana, right?

They already made jokes about that on the Corner, so...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Ewww. Now I feel dirty.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

"also, she is 60, unmarried, no children. something ain't right with this broad."

Yeah, her name is Harriet and she looks like Rutger Hauer!

it was a different shark (wetmink2), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

"Bush's nominee to replace O'Connor is O'So Krispie"

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

"There is now talk of among some conservatives about a filibuster of the Miers nomination."

(It goes on to say, unsurprisingly, that they probably won't do that, but funny all the same)

carson dial (carson dial), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

"I learned from Harriet that someone can be stone cold and at the same time act like they care"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

From Jonah Goldberg:

"Bush has a history of running against the wind of his strongest critics, which is one of the things I love about the guy. For example, people said Bush was too unilateral and hostile to the international community, so he appointed John Bolton. But, either by accident or design, this time around he seems bent on countering a different kind of criticism. He's been getting beaten -- somewhat unfairly -- for his alleged cronyism of late. This appointment seems like the Bolton approach; "Oh yeah, you think I'm into cronyism? Well here's my former personal lawyer from Texas!"

But there's a key difference. Hosility to the international community and "unilateralism" (code for protecting America's interests first) are principles Bush wins respect by defending. Cronyism is not a principle, or at least one not easily defended. Miers may be great stuff, but I don't think anyone can doubt Bush picked her because she's his gal Friday."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Talk of a filibuster?

Um... Weren't these the same folks who were talking "nuclear option" a few short months ago - all because filibustering a Bush judicial nomination was supposedly the most heinous political crime imaginable? Oh my sweet, sweet irony. My senses are swimming.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

Surely this is a pick from weakness.

yep, keep showing those openings, bill.

time to hit them on the "weak leader" or "betrayal" areas, watch the blows land more damage than "Bush lied/thousands died" could...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

My brother tells me that Cheney was on Limbaugh today and that Cheney was working damage control like a sadist with a garden weasel saying that we can really trust Bush to not fuck this one up six ways to Sundaynominate a true conservative.

I mean, the loyalty issue is an obvious one, but I'm not really sure that you could be in Miers position(s) for the past five years without marching the Bush goosestep to perfection. Seriously, if one of his most loyal subjects doesn't see eye to eye with him by now, who else would?

Then again, I just can't figure out why anyone among the best and the brightest would be working for Bush in the first place. If you're that smart, you know better. Right?

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Marty Frost weighs in for Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171137,00.html

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

somebody on Atrios pointed this out, in a photo from MSNBC:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051003/051003_miers_hmed_8a.h2.jpg

White House via AFP - Getty Images file
Harriet Miers, at the time staff secretary, is seen on Aug. 6, 2001, briefing President Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

Gee, what historic document did El Doofus claim to have looked thru on AUGUST 6TH, 2001?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

"Al-Qaeda Planning Tea Party, All Invited"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

gah, The first headline I saw on that Fox link was EPA Rules Raise Gas Prices. Eat a big evil dick, FOXNews.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

So now the party that wants to abolish affirmative action because they say it promotes underqualified people on the basis of race and gender has nominated two underqualified people to the Supreme Court on the basis of race and gender.

Wait, Roberts was a white man. I'm really confused. Is he a "stealth" black woman or what?

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

She supported homosexual adoptions, women in combat, ICC, etc. She may turn out to be pretty liberal in real life and will likely get through with Dems. As long as she doesn't make crap up about the Constitution and play games with the precision fallacy I don't care if she's a communist or a fascist.

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

Cunga I believe that was a swipe at Thomas, not Roberts

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

If the initial NRO reactions are any sign, Bush's press conference this morning is not helping them any. (Good.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

>it's the first sign of a Machiavellianism no Democrat has displayed since Bill Clinton left office.<

Well then, let's party!

Anyway, I disagree. Kerry and other Dem prez hopefuls who voted to greenlight the Iraq invasion were guilty of STUPID Machiavellianism.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

TOMBOT posted a link to this on the Yellowcake/Plame thread. Hmmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Is she going to legislate from the bench? That's what we're all wondering.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Well you know.

Entertaining dust-up at work:

Kmiec defends Miers

Hewitt refers to Kmiec by way of getting annoyed with the likes of Ponnuru.

Bainbridge tells Hewitt, politely, to STFU.

Ponnuru himself follows up.

Fun fun! Can't wait to see what Hewitt says next.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Time starts trying to find a paper trail of some sort.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

i was thinking about dan quayle lately

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

hey, did anybody actually listen to the press conference today?

WTF was the bit about revising the posse comitatus act(to allow the army the power to arrest americans here) in order to quarantine any avian flu outbreak or pandemic? did anybody else hear "Don't Fear the Reaper" start playing?

same old shit: we fucked up, so we're pushing for this legislation to give us more power.

also, if Rove is reportedly busy trying to drum up support for the nominee this week, who's running the whole "hurricane rebuilding" thing?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Drudge likes his siren

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

from AmericaBlog:

talking how rightwingers might try to kill the nom, judging from the tone of an email from conservative activist Richard A. Viguerie:

“Liberals have successfully cowed President Bush by scaring him off from nominating a known conservative, strict constructionist to the Court, leaving conservatives fearful of which direction the Court will go.”

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

That last quote is hilarity.

"oh yeah, boo, but don't worry. We don't really do anything."

"AAAAAAAAAAAGH, you're COWING US!"

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

"AAAAAAAAAAAGH, you're COWING US!"

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt and Ponnuru continue their little exchange.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

and a fun summary of said exchange

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

"fun"

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

'Cause, even though, and, c'mon, the chances of Harriet Miers being some lefty who's been playin' rope-a-dope with George W. Bush since the 1990s are about the same as Donald Rumsfeld admitting an error, it's a blast to watch conservatives go ballistic that Bush didn't nominate Johnny Fuckyerrights, a Pepperdine-educated ideologue who has personally beaten a "confession" out of a "terrorist" and then shoved aborted fetuses back into wombs after chainsawing down an old growth forest just to make a single copy of a book on intelligent design that can be sold by Halliburton at a thousand-fold mark-up to poor school districts forced by law to teach it. And, what the fuck, he's black.


haha

_, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Decoding the actions of our bipartisan duopoly of assholes = the new Kremlinology.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

It's not a new comparison but it is apt.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

From Bainbridge, criticizing Miers:

Call me an intellectual snob if you want, but while I don't insist on Ivy League credentials, I do insist on documented high power thinking.

Not up in THAT bitch you don't.

Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Hm, that's not clear. I meant in the Bush Administration.

Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Even more entertainment:

Hewitt claims this piece is 'simply brilliant' as a defense of Miers. Ponnuru quotes what he rather dryly terms 'the most interesting part' -- leaving Lowry with the perfect and obvious follow-up:

FETCHING BEVERAGES?!? Wow, the Miers boosters are really stretching...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

"She sure seems like a big ol' Texas lesbian to me,"

!!!

BRING
IT
ON

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

http://media.nationalreview.com/051004_01.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

She's no suet, either.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

But she's best if used by Sep. 23-24, so Bush has offered us a spoiled product.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

you just have to remove the moldy parts and it's fine.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

PERVERT.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Hey, she's a big ol' Texas lez, apparently... I'm out of the equation.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

I probably should be more worried about this than I am, but I love moments like this in political history where both the left and right don't.. really.. know what to think.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

It's like GWB just pulling out his weiner randomly at a party, sober... like some sort of weird combination of "awww-kward" and "OMFG TMI!"

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

George Will:

Senators beginning what ought to be a protracted and exacting scrutiny of Harriet Miers should be guided by three rules. First, it is not important that she be confirmed. Second, it might be very important that she not be. Third, the presumption — perhaps rebuttable but certainly in need of rebutting — should be that her nomination is not a defensible exercise of presidential deference to which senatorial discretion is due. It is not important that she be confirmed because there is no evidence that she is among the leading lights of American jurisprudence, or that she possesses talents commensurate with the Supreme Court’s tasks. The president’s ‘‘argument’’ for her amounts to: Trust me. There is no reason to, for several reasons.

He has neither the inclination nor the ability to make sophisticated judgments about competing approaches to construing the Constitution. Few presidents acquire such abilities in the course of their prepresidential careers, and this president, particularly, is not disposed to such reflections.

Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that Miers’ nomination resulted from the president’s careful consultation with people capable of such judgments. If 100 such people had been asked to list 100 individuals who have given evidence of the reflectiveness and excellence requisite in a justice, Miers’ name probably would not have appeared in any of the 10,000 places on those lists.

In addition, the president has forfeited his right to be trusted as a custodian of the Constitution. The forfeiture occurred March 27, 2002, when, in a private act betokening an uneasy conscience, he signed the McCain-Feingold law expanding government regulation of the timing, quantity and content of political speech. The day before the 2000 Iowa caucuses he was asked in advance — to insure a considered response from him — whether McCain-Feingold’s core purposes are unconstitutional. He unhesitatingly said, ‘‘I agree.’’ Asked if he thought presidents have a duty, pursuant to their oath to defend the Constitution, to make an independent judgment about the constitutionality of bills and to veto those he thinks unconstitutional, he briskly said, ‘‘I do.’’

It is important that Miers not be confirmed unless, in her 61st year, she suddenly and unexpectedly is found to have hitherto undisclosed interests and talents pertinent to the court’s role. Otherwise the sound principle of substantial deference to a president’s choice of judicial nominees will dissolve into a rationalization for senatorial abdication of the duty to hold presidents to some standards of seriousness that will prevent them from reducing the Supreme Court to a private plaything useful for fulfilling whims on behalf of friends.

The wisdom of presumptive opposition to Miers’ confirmation flows from the fact that constitutional reasoning is a talent — a skill acquired, as intellectual skills are, by years of practice sustained by intense interest. It is not usually acquired in the normal course of even a fine lawyer’s career. The burden is on Miers to demonstrate such talents, and on senators to compel such a demonstration or reject the nomination.

Under the rubric of ‘‘diversity’’ — nowadays, the first refuge of intellectually disreputable impulses — the president announced, surely without fathoming the implications, his belief in identity politics and its tawdry corollary, the idea of categorical representation. Identity politics holds that one’s essential attributes are genetic, biological, ethnic or chromosomal — that one’s nature and understanding are decisively shaped by race, ethnicity or gender. Categorical representation holds that the interests of a group can only be understood, empathized with and represented by a member of that group.

The crowning absurdity of the president’s wallowing in such nonsense is the obvious assumption that the Supreme Court is, like a legislature, an institution of representation. This from a president who, introducing
Miers, deplored judges who ‘‘legislate from the bench.’’ Minutes after the president announced the nomination of his friend from Texas, another Texas friend, Robert Jordan, former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, was on Fox News proclaiming what he and, no doubt, the White House that probably enlisted him for advocacy, considered glad and relevant tidings: Miers, said Jordan, has been a victim. She has been, he said contentedly, ‘‘discriminated against’’ because of her gender. Her victimization was not so severe that it prevented her from becoming the first female president of a Texas law firm as large as hers, president of the State Bar of Texas and a senior White House official. Still, playing the victim card clarified, as much as anything has so far done, her credentials, which are her chromosomes and their supposedly painful consequences. For this we need a conservative president?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

on Christopher Lydon's Open Source show right now, they're actually doing a panel thing on "A Blogosphere Scorned," i.e. all the rightwing blogs who feel betrayed that a total radical theocratic bugfuck fundie wasn't picked...

Volokh, Balloon Juice, etc.

But i just gotta repeat what the Rude Pundit said in the post linked to upthread:

...And then Ponnuru joined the party liberals have been having for about, let's say, four and a half years now: "[T]he argument that the administration making is, this was a good decision because the president made it and the president makes good decisions. And that might be enough for a monarchy, but it's plainly not a persuasive argument in a democratic system." Which used to be called "questioning a President at a time of war" or "treasonous" or some such shit when it was the rest of us who asked Bush to actually persuade us that he's right. Hey, National Review, welcome back to America - now why don't you help clean up the fuckin' mess you made?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Miers' ties to conservative church may offer insights

BY DAVE MONTGOMERY

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - Late Sunday night, shortly after President Bush asked her to be his nominee to the Supreme Court, Harriet Miers called her longtime Dallas minister and his wife and - without revealing why - asked for their prayers to give her "grace under pressure."

That call to the Rev. Ron and Kaycia Key illustrates the depth of Miers' spirituality and years of devoted worship at a conservative nondenominational Christian church that preaches against abortions and gay marriages.

Though Miers is reticent to reveal her views, her two-decade-long membership in the Valley View Christian Church suggests how she might stand on hot-button social issues regarded as top priorities to social conservatives who form a cornerstone of Bush's support.

"She hasn't said a lot, but you don't go to a church for 25 years if you're not comfortable with what they think," said Texas Supreme Court Justice Nathan Hecht of Austin, Texas, a church member who says he's shared a "semi-romantic" friendship with Miers for more than 30 years. "I'm sure she's consistent with the church's position."

Bush's nomination of his 60-year-old White House counsel, who's been part of the former Texas governor's inner circle since the mid-1990s, has ignited a vigorous nationwide examination for insights into her legal and social views. Conservatives initially expressed doubts - if not outright hostility - about her commitment to bedrock conservative principles, but many appeared more reflective a day after the nomination.

At a news conference Tuesday, the president reaffirmed his support of Miers, describing her as "an extraordinary woman" who shares his judicial philosophy.

Asked if he and Miers had discussed abortion over the years, Bush responded: "There is no litmus test. What matters to me is her judicial philosophy."

Snippets from Miers' background have given only a partial and inconclusive glimpse into her possible views on priorities embraced by the Christian right. She donated $150 to the anti-abortion Texans for Life Coalition in 1989. In a questionnaire during a 1989 Dallas city council race, she expressed support for civil rights for gays and lesbians, but Hecht says she shares the church's view opposing gay and lesbian marriages.

Friends and family say there's no ambiguity about Mier's Christian faith.

"It's certainly a strong force in her daily life," said Dallas state appeals Judge Elizabeth Lang-Miers, who's married to Miers' brother, Jeb, a Dallas physician.

As one of five children, Miers attended Presbyterian and Episcopalian churches while growing up but began attending Valley View in the early 1980s after becoming a lawyer in the blue-chip Dallas law firm now known as Locke Liddell & Sapp. Hecht, whom she helped bring into the law firm, was an organist at the church and took her to her first service, Ron Key recalled.

The North Dallas church is one of about 1,100 churches attached to the North American Christian Convention.

The church has suffered a split in recent months, with Key leading a breakaway congregation of about 200 members who now meet at a Doubletree Hotel in suburban Dallas. Other members have remained at the original church under the Rev. Barry McCarty.

McCarty couldn't be reached for comment Tuesday. Key said Miers has remained a staunch member of the church throughout her five years in Washington and attended a service at the hotel several weeks ago. During a recent return trip to Dallas to visit her mother, she cradled a cell phone in the church parking lot, later explaining that she'd been on the phone with John G. Roberts Jr., now the U.S. Supreme Court's chief justice.

Key said Miers has served as the church's legal counsel. While serving on the city council, she urged the congregation to play an active role in helping impoverished residents in predominantly black South Dallas. She also was an adult sponsor of the Space Cubs, a youth ministry for first-, second- and third-graders.

"Her faith just grew and blossomed," Key said. "One of the things I admire about Harriet is she walks her faith in everyday life."

Kaycia Key said Miers called their house about 9:30 p.m. (Central time) Sunday. That was after Bush had invited Miers to a White House dinner and offered her the Supreme Court nomination, the Keys learned the following day.

"She just asked us to pray for her," Kaycia Key said. When the preacher's wife tried to find out why, she said, Miers responded: "You know I can't tell you that."

Since, apparently, Knight Ridder no longer employs editors, let me be the first to ask

1) What does Judge Hecht mean by "semi-romantic"?
2) What issue split the comgregation?

M. V. (M.V.), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Will's column is the most scorching he's written about a Republican president, but it's no surprise: he's an old-school conservative.

I love how he in essence called Bush unreflective and stupid.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

Love this sentence:

"Under the rubric of ‘‘diversity’’ — nowadays, the first refuge of intellectually disreputable impulses..."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

semi-romantic in that he was also diddling neoconfederate whackjob Priscilla Owens, too

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Third, the presumption — perhaps rebuttable but certainly in need of rebutting — should be that her nomination is not a defensible exercise of presidential deference to which senatorial discretion is due.

"Fear my needlessly dense prose cleverly inverting tradional formulae."

Wanker.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

You noticed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

I'm somewhat sympathetic to this analysis (heavily edited):

The lesson people seemed to have taken away from the Robert Bork hearings was that you cannot be confirmed as a Supreme Court justice if you tell the Senate your real views. That is patently untrue. You only have to avoid telling the truth if you are a conservative jurist. That is because the country does not agree with the conservatives.

Judge Bork told us honestly that he did not believe in Roe or the right to privacy. He did not get defeated for being honest and forthcoming – he was defeated because his views are solidly outside the mainstream.

I come at this from a unique perspective because I am one of these freak judicial conservatives. I have attended Federalist Society meetings, as John Roberts did. I think Roe is comically wrong (constitutionally speaking, it would have been excellent legislation). I don’t believe the constitution outlines a broad right to privacy. It is quite specific as to what kinds of privacy rights you are entitled to in the Bill of Rights. I don’t even believe in the Miranda warnings.

But I recognize I am in the minority. Most Americans wouldn’t want me on the Supreme Court. And if they realized that most of the conservative judges nominated feel the same way as I do, they would also reject them. But instead we play hide and seek.

This purposeful obfuscation inevitably leads to mystery picks like Harriet Miers. Supreme Court justices shouldn’t be like a box of chocolates, we should know what we’re going to get inside.

Miers was picked for a couple of reasons. The first is undying loyalty to President Bush, which is the main qualifier you have to have to get any important government job these days. Her other qualification was that she didn’t have other qualifications. She has done nothing that would indicate her true beliefs – the perfect recipe for a conservative judge you want to sneak on to the court. This is getting absurd.

This is part of the reason true believers on the right are upset. They now realize the President is embarrassed of them. He cannot pick one of their intellectual stalwarts because the administration realizes the American people don’t agree with the conservative movement. This has to be a painful moment of reckoning for the right. They will never get any of their true, principled legal scholars on the court. The best they can hope for is people who are so unqualified for the job that they might be able to trick the American people into thinking they are moderates.

I also think extrinsic political circumstances have wrought havoc with the GOP plan, tho.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

Road to Damascus convert to Christianity it seems. Possible stealth right-wing nomination by Bush. Originalist or what though?

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 06:22 (twenty years ago)

Frum back into the fray -- and he's still riled up. Pithiest bit:

If the courts were just about getting the votes, then the preisdent should have chosen Dennis Hastert for the Supreme Court.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

What does Judge Hecht mean by "semi-romantic"?

BEARDS!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Something odd about this -- I don't quite understand how a woman who has devoted her life to god and conservative family values never gets married. It seems like most everyone she hangs out with would have a problem with that.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

SHE IS TEH GAY

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Not possible!

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

What does Dobson know?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Something odd about this -- I don't quite understand how a woman who has devoted her life to god and conservative family values never gets married. It seems like most everyone she hangs out with would have a problem with that.

I would have preferred Dan's answer, but the truth is.. there a lots of single, god-fearing older women who are very happy being single, god-fearing women. This doesn't prove Miers is one of those, but it's not inconceivable. Then again, I'd imagine the pressure among her peers in Texas would give her a harder time than if she, say, lived in Seattle, where that would be considered normal... (well, at least the single part, not the God-fearing part.. haha)

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I love how this whole Supreme Court dealie has potentially become a real life version of Disclosure, minus the cheesy virtual reality special effects.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

maybe she's a "quirkyalone"!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

honestly though, is all the "how can a woman be SINGLE AND CHILDLESS" talk on this thread supposed to be a joke?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

minus the cheesy virtual reality special effects.

:-(

_, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

xposts,

"most everyone she hangs out with would have a problem with that"

uh, everybody knows "confirmed bachelor/bachelorette" types. some are workaholics. doesn't mean they're gay. i think it's really retarded that our society at large assumes that, "if they're single, something must be wrong with them, aka THEY'RE GAY! if they don't have kids they must be heartless, selfish bastards!"

to me, the real thing to worry about is that Cheney+W have a puppet in the supreme court for the next 20ish years.

m.

msp (mspa), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Cutting the "It seems that..." off of the front of that quoted bit does non-trivially change the impact/strength of that statement, you know.

Also, many of us are kidding. Well, I'm kidding.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

If Scalia wouldn't recuse over playing golf with the VP, then who could believe Miers wouldn't listen to Bush every time he phoned to discuss a matter pending before the court?

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

I guess I keep wondering, how effective would Miers really be as a puppet? Granted we know little about her at this stage, but from the early returns she certainly looks like an intellectual flyweight compared to someone like Michael Luttig. It's a lot easier for me to envision someone with Luttig's resume drafting seemingly indestructible opinions for the cause of movement conservatism than it is for me to picture Miers doing the same.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

true, but her vote counts as much as anybody else. i guess that was as much puppetry as i had really counted on.
m.

msp (mspa), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Atrios quotes various articles put out when O'Connor was named.

I foudn this one interesting(remember this is from 1981):

A major conservative fund-raiser -- declaring the New Right is not "a paper tiger" -- vowed Wednesday to enter the fray to keep Sandra O'Connor from winning Senate confirmation as a Supreme Court justice.

The declaration by direct-mail wizard Richard Viguerie came as fundamentalist opponents to Mrs. O'Connor opened a new First Amendment front and other foes of the Arizona judge continued to attack her record on abortion.

...

Viguerie said the New Right -- an informal coalition united by ultraconservative views on both social and economic issues -- has to wage a battle against Mrs. O'Connor's record on the abortion issue, or else the White House "will just think we are a paper tiger."

...

McIntire, who described Reagan's choice as "a dark and sad day for fundamentalism in our churches," marched with about 20 demonstrators outside the Supreme Court and in front of Senate offices. One carried a sign saying, "Get a Judge Who Doesn't Fudge."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

her vote counts as much as anybody else

True, but it's the court's opinions, not it's vote tallies, which are the subject of future consideration. I think that those of us with more liberal sympathies are going to have to accept that there are going to be some decisions that won't go our way in the coming years. But eventually the pendulum is going to swing away from the far right. When that happens, any future liberal justices would presumably have an easier time tipping over an opinion written by a (at this stage presumed) lightweight like Miers than a judicial heavyweight like Luttig.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

"Get a Judge Who Doesn't Fudge."

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

It's a lot easier for me to envision someone with Luttig's resume drafting seemingly indestructible opinions for the cause of movement conservatism than it is for me to picture Miers doing the same.

Well, it depends on what GWB has planned once he leaves office... granted, it may just be an eternal retirement of playing golf. *shrug*
Also, once GWB leaves office, Miers doesn't necessarily have to answer to Bush anymore (or vice versa, if the rumors are true.)

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

In response to Frum today, Hewitt's getting testy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

...but in further response to Hewitt (from yesterday and their radio interview, available here) Bainbridge is getting riled.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

And guess who doesn't like Miers either -- Trent Lott! (I think that means your front porch reconstruction will get slowed down.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

I think it's time for principled conservatives to give Bush and the rest of the GOP leadership a spanking for having deserted the principles for which we stand.

"Oh hit me there, please." *SPANK* "FUCK YEAH!"

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Trust me, this week has been like a seven course meal for watching all these people rip into each other. And it seems to be getting worse!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Justice Lottery Donut Spinster (more Fall or B-hole Surfers?)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

What if all these right-wingers are just faking the rest of us out?

"Oh, please don't throw that Harriet Miers into the briar patch!"

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Definitely not ALL of them. Some, however, maybe. (Hewitt comes to mind.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

From that Lott interview on MSNBC:
"There are a lot more people - men, women and minorities - that are more qualified in my opinion by their experience than she is," he said.
I'll give Lott the benefit of the doubt of context, but "men, women, and minorities"? Which restrooms would they use, Mr. Lott?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Lott's grammar is atrocious. Someone fetch me a red pen.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Hahahahaha

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

en asked about female minorities, Lott replied, "Zuh?!"

gear (gear), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Goldberg goes nuts due to 'so much b.s. email from holier-than-thou "real Americans," "real conservatives" and outside-the-beltway free thinkers.' Man, this is beautiful stuff -- I'm waiting for when someone over there tells their entire audience to eat shit and die.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

NED IS ON FIRE

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

Damage control...done badly:

At one point in the first of the two off-the-record sessions, according to several people in the room, White House adviser Ed Gillespie suggested that some of the unease about Miers "has a whiff of sexism and a whiff of elitism." Irate participants erupted and demanded that he take it back. Gillespie later said he did not mean to accuse anyone in the room but "was talking more broadly" about criticism of Miers.

...

"The message of the meetings was the president consulted with 80 United States senators but didn't consult with the people who elected him," said Manuel A. Miranda, a former nominations counsel for Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) who attended both.

Weyrich, who hosted one of the two private meetings, said afterward that he had rarely seen the level of passion at one of his weekly sessions. "This kind of emotional thing will not happen" often, Weyrich said. But he feared the White House advisers did not really grasp the seriousness of the conservative grievance. "I don't know if they got the message. I didn't sense that they really understand where people were coming from."

Etc. etc. etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

Now, how many of you said the world was going to end when Rehnquist died, again?

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

Now, how many of you said the world was going to end when Rehnquist died, again?

i dunno, man. they might get even more desperate and start pulling some bigtime shit...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.lyricscafe.com/l/little_texas/bigtime.jpg

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:58 (twenty years ago)

So parts of the Christian right are outraged because the president nominated an evangelical Christian conservative without their specific permission. That's how wacked people like Weyrich are, they really think they run the country. Not that the administration hasn't given them reason to think so, but still.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:02 (twenty years ago)

http://eil.com/newgallery/Peter-Gabriel-Big-Time-20003.jpg

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm at some sort of work training thing all day today so just some opening shots from the internecine warfare:

Frum responds to Hewitt and others, is not happy.

Noonan complains mightily.

Hewitt finds an ally in Lileks. I am not sure this is a positive for either of them.

Anyway, keep an eye out on NROWorld via the Corner and Bench Memos, Bainbridge, Instapundit, RedState and more today to watch some amusing/creepy shit go down. Also, note this on the President's schedule today:

11:40 am THE PRESIDENT participates in a tribute to National Review Magazine and William F. Buckley, Jr.

EEOB - Room 450, The White House

Hmmm...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

I think Miers is BIG trouble for the American Left. I think BushCo has come up with a hell of a recipe for getting an unacceptably radically activist conservative Justice -- don't pick a judge. There are all sorts of terrifyingly conservative people (lawyers, too) who aren't out, as it were. She'll get confirmed, and people will start screaming in terror only after her first Session.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

bit here about how much of the rightwing noise seems to be coming from two groups:

1) batshit insane fundies and
2) "the Direct Descendants of Barry Goldwater"

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

t/s: "bugfuck insane" vs "batshit insane"

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

I choose the latter since it's known as "Guano Loco" in Spanish.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Colin's got a point . How many 'batshit fundies' in Rove's thrall would it take to excite the conservative echo chamber to such an extent that the right's disdain allows the left to let through a closet or unknown batshit fundie.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

This is going break your heads right open. I'm still trying to scoop my brains back in.

J (Jay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

FUCK YOU, GEORGE BUSH, FOR MAKING ANN COULTER SOUND REASONABLE

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Thank you Dan! Of all of the crimes attributale to Dubya, this may well be the worst (except for, you know, the death and stuff).

J (Jay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

J u r krect my brane mlting ol 0vur keys, grrubl keesh shleerm...

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

what's really interesting about that column is what it it says about coulter's allegiances, who she feels her "base" is.. as i think i said on another thread, all the big TV vultures -- including coulter -- mainly just like to back a winner.. and bush is starting to smell like a loser

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

First, Bush has no right to say "Trust me." He was elected to represent the American people, not to be dictator for eight years. Among the coalitions that elected Bush are people who have been laboring in the trenches for a quarter-century to change the legal order in America. While Bush was still boozing it up in the early '80s, Ed Meese, Antonin Scalia, Robert Bork and all the founders of the Federalist Society began creating a farm team of massive legal talent on the right.

sonned!!

Second, even if you take seriously William F. Buckley's line about preferring to be governed by the first 200 names in the Boston telephone book than by the Harvard faculty, the Supreme Court is not supposed to govern us. Being a Supreme Court justice ought to be a mind-numbingly tedious job suitable only for super-nerds trained in legal reasoning like John Roberts. Being on the Supreme Court isn't like winning a "Best Employee of the Month" award. It's a real job.

haha

Conservatives from elite schools have already been subjected to liberal blandishments and haven't blinked. These are right-wingers who have fought off the best and the brightest the blue states have to offer. The New York Times isn't going to mau-mau them — as it does intellectual lightweights like Jim Jeffords and Lincoln Chafee — by dangling fawning profiles before them. They aren't waiting for a pat on the head from Nina Totenberg or Linda Greenhouse. To paraphrase Archie Bunker, when you find a conservative from an elite law school, you've really got something.

awesome

_, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Wait, what does 'advise and consent' mean?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

It depends when you ask it.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Wait, what does 'advise and consent' mean?

At the most basic level it is the power of Congress to ratify treaties and confirm Presidential nominations.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Ok, *now* I may start to accept the conspiracy that right wingers were scripted to talk shit against Miers to make the Dems think she's alright and allow her in.

Then again, I have irrational hatred against Ann Coulter.

Then again, is any hatred towards Ann Coulter irrational?

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

To Ed and Colin: Your points are cogent... but do you think we'll end up with anyone that much less potentially batshit fundie than Miers no matter what the Dems try to do? I mean, they could grill every nominee until they collapse, but there's still three more years. O'Connor's replacement will not be someone the left-thinking will be happy with.

There's obviously a LOT of inside information we're not in on... it may be revealed soon. Or it may not. This is what makes all this up-in-arms thing really interesting (good or bad)

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm just going on my Vegas instinct here. Miers may have eaten welfare babies for all I know.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Or even worse, she may have started a mosh pit at a Sage Francis show!

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

I love the parenthetical aside about 'which' vs 'that.'

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Or even worse, she may have started a mosh pit at a Sage Francis show!

OMG

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

I enjoyed "which/that" also, however, my casebooks are full of that grammatical stylee. Maybe grammarian can be Coulter's career in exile.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

I love you people. (Just sneaking away a bit from the course thing today on lunch break.)

Frum posts reader responses.

Levin blames McCain.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

HAHAHAAHAHAH

McCain expressed views may have indirectly made Bush cry "Mommy" and nominate his bestest buddy. TO THE PLANK!

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

As for the Coulter thing, I heard she had already been venting about it on O'Reilly earlier this week so I'm not surprised.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

You know, Vietnam is still living under communism, Bill.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 6 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

GEORGE BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANN COULTER

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Some other bits via Sullivan links:

Krauthammer vents (as well as implicitly trashing Hewitt).

Continuing conservative angst via the Washington Post

As Sullivan himself notes, "I'm beginning to think that this appointment was an expression of the president's contempt for the conservative intelligentsia." A tempting vision.

Meanwhile, Hewitt remains bitchy, Bainbridge sasses back Churchill for Disraeli, and some RedState.org commenters are starting to hyperventilate that she told Leahy she liked "Warren" -- turns out she meant Burger, not Earl, but it's still not good enough for the Roe haters of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

Some chat and gossip from that National Review celebration at the White House.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, battlelines having now been entrenched further follow-up comments from Frum, Hewitt, Bainbridge et al are at present light snipes. If nothing else, the fact remains that this was either obviously not the distraction BushCo wanted or, if you're into the conspiracy theory, exactly the kind of reaction to a 'ha and fuck you' gesture that they expected -- I presume the former, though. Hewitt's Pollyannaish 'this will all blow over in 48 hours' claim on Monday is already coming back to haunt him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

It's not surprising that, after White House advisers branded Miers's critics as Northeastern, Ivy League elitists, the accused elites became even more angry. Kathryn Jean Lopez, writing on National Review's Web site, asked if Republican talking points "are usually this lame," [...]"

Hahahaha can I answer this one????

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Maybe this is just one big drawn-out Republican FLASH MOB!

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

About to go to sleep here, but there's more chatting and the like that indicate this issue still ain't over.

Frum wonders 'what now?' and foresees problems

Bork -- yes, that one -- trashes Miers. The ConfirmThem comments make for wonderful bile.

Taranto reports interesting gossip from the National Review celebration

And speaking of, NRO types argue that killing the nomination will rejuvenate Bush -- I have my doubts.

Hewitt explains the obvious -- 'gee, that blogosphere reaction was quick, wasn't it?' -- and continues to whistle in the dark.

Bainbridge trashes the 'faith card' and wonders about her politics.

And as more than one right-wing writer has worriedly noted, Reid and crew in the Senate seem all too remarkably composed, even relaxed right now on this matter -- a strategy which calls to mind how the 'Social Security reform' card was countered with a general refusal *not* to play the game, because they didn't have to.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 October 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

Actually, forget that first Bork link, here's a transcript.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 October 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

JABBS makes the point about her being sold on her apparently conservative religious beliefs...which is odd, since most of the "activist judges" thing is about judges bringing their beliefs to bear...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 8 October 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

However gratifying it is to hear the conservatives howling in pain and dismay, I have every expectation that Ms. Miers shall prove to be every bit of the disaster that was predicted when Bush got two nominations in his well-manicured hands. The idea that Roberts or Miers are not as conservative enough to jolly up the raving right is nothing more than a chimera, an illusion caused by the media.

We won't know how badly we're wounded until they are both seated and start voting and writing opinions. Obviously, Miers is not going to win points for brilliance, but then, neither does Thomas - and he does plenty enough damage just by sitting there like a bump on a log. In some ways, mediocre judges are much more reliable and predictable, if they are intellectually stolid and inert. Bush himself guarantees Miers 'won't change her mind'. What a fabulous recommendation!

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 8 October 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Results 1 - 10 of about 161 for Clarence Thomas "bump on a log". (0.95 seconds)

no comment

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 8 October 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

I'm becoming certain that Miers is a vote against Roe, and am trying to figure out if the Dems' response is more playing or being played.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 8 October 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, obviously she knows what's expected of her, and she seems like a woman who enjoys doing what's expected of her.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 8 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Well, again, no one Bush nominates is going to make anyone on the left happy at all. And the left will have no way of deflecting that. There's just too much time left in Bush's term for them to succeed in deflecting it.

The unexpected silver lining, though, is this crack in the Republican hivemind, so to speak.

That said, I'm hardly happy with Miers, myself. But it's better to go with someone with slightly uncertain odds of being awful, then someone with definite odds of being awful. Lesser of two evils, etc. etc. barf barf.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Saturday, 8 October 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Oh I agree. Since we're certain to get a lousy justice no matter what, the Wingnuts-Eating-Their-Own sideshow is a nice bonus.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 8 October 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt has to deal with Bork's criticism on top of everything else. Rhetorically he's having fun pulling out all the stops as he can, but it's a terrible argument regardless -- his attempt to address the religious card being played by the White House to win acceptance is embarrassing. On the one hand he's correct that Dobson, to my mind, has rather more regular readers/listeners than Will -- on the other hand, rather than addressing the general tack of the criticism (essentially, Bush can't have it both ways by trying to deemphasize Roberts' beliefs before his confirmation and overly emphasizing them for Miers prior to her review), he goes on about the power and reach Dobson et al have in a way that boils down to an implicit threat of "You are destroying the party if you oppose because you will be attacking them and they will react." Which makes Hewitt seem even like MORE of a tool in their hands rather than someone interested in engaging the substance (and in an earlier post he admitted that some of the jibes he's gotten have landed close to home, so he's putting on a brave face in recompense). I presume Bainbridge will follow up shortly enough on that front.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 October 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

I'm becoming certain that Miers is a vote against Roe, and am trying to figure out if the Dems' response is more playing or being played.

I have no doubts she would vote against Roe. None.

Harry Reid's comments thus far are baffling. I really don't think he can game this and not make a fool of himself unless he's positive that the nom will fail. And Tony Blankley says he has a hunch that it will.

Of all the bad decisions Bush has made, this nomination ranks with the worst if not the worst. ZERO upside.

don weiner (don weiner), Sunday, 9 October 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Really? As bad as an elective war costing $220B, 2000 American lives, tens of thousands of Iraqis, loss of American prestige, destabilization of a region, and greater empowerment of Iran? Harriet Miers is THAT bad? I'll be over here, basking in the upside of Iraq. Better get out my sunblock!

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 9 October 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

BTW, I agree with you Don, every instinct that I would have, were I Reid, would be to play it straight. Because the stakes are high indeed, and should things go south, stupid gamesmanship could make the Dems politically irrelevant in the eyes of the American public.

*blink, blink*
OH YEAH, I FORGOT.

I still say play it straight.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 9 October 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

There is upside to Iraq if miracles happen. There are no miracles with Miers, there is no political payoff unless she kills at the hearings. And frankly I don't think she will.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 10 October 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

Frum with yet more fun. Keep in mind last week he was rather nicer about her while still complaining mightily, so it's interested seeing the tack and tone change...

More talking over the weekend to more conservative lawyers in Washington. It is hard to convey how unanimously they not only reject, but disdain, the choice of Miers.

One commented on this news story that Miers' favorite reading was John Grisham novels: "Look, it's inevitable these senators are going to ask you some obviously stupid questions. You just can't give them obviously stupid answers. How hard is it to say that you are reading Jean Smith's biography of Chief Justice John Marshall?"

Another told me of a briefing session to prepare Miers to enter into her duties as White House Counsel. A panel of lawyers who had served in past Republican White Houses was gathered to offer any help Miers might need. After a couple of hours of questions and answers, all agreed: "We're going to need a really strong deputy."

It's been reported the reason Miers was named White House Counsel in the first place was that she had proven incompetent as Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy. Her boss, Chief of Staff Andy Card, badly wanted to get her out of his office - but couldn't fire her because she was protected by the president and the first lady. So he promoted her instead. Now we learn that it was Card who was the strongest advocate of moving her out of the West Wing altogether and onto the high court - raising the question of whether the ultimate motivation for this nomination is to open the way to hiring a new Counsel by kicking a failed Counsel upstairs.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

It's interestING, rather.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Hewitt takes the 'the base isn't really riled so yah boo' approach -- I'm sure -- and in the midst of more constitutional hairsplitting than I think is sane says this:

But the desirability of a talent is not the same --by a long shot-- of its necessity. President Bush has made a different calculation. It isn't the one I would have made, but that's no excuse to wage a campaign of self-destructive (to the GOP coalition) recrimination

Which is, I think, his first fully tacit claim, after the Dobson etc. mutterings he made yesterday, that it's all about political 'calculation' overriding other factors. Be interesting to see who picks up on this in response.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

that it's all about political 'calculation' overriding other factors

This has all the political calculation of Bush and no one else. It's certainly not a Rove-ian choice, it doesn't have the markings of Cheney. It's worlds apart from the Roberts nomination.

In fact, it has all the hallmarks of Bush's own decision making. It's a gut choice, not one that seems to be borne of long discussions or careful assessment or vetting. It strikes me as the kind of decision that came from Bush hearing a lot of people argue about a host of candidates, then saying, "This is bullshit. I know Harriet. I like her. She'll be good. What's the next topic." I don't see this as a calculated choice in any way at all, as far as political context or outcome is concerned.

The more I think about it, the more dismayed I get. The Roberts nomination was politically sage, a great pick with tremendous upside. But nominating your personal counsel is simply a disastrous show of judgment--imagine the outrage if Clinton would have done such a thing. It's bad politics all the way through.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

do yall agree with what some right wing blogs were saying that kerry or gore wouldve nominated hillary for o'connors seat?

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

never would have happened.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

The bit I quoted of Hewitt sounds like he agrees with you but is searching for an upside -- ANY upside -- and has settled on, "Well, a fight broke out, but we've got to stop or else it'll get worse for the party, even though I actually kinda agree with a lot of you!" Which is already a tremendous fallback from him from a week ago, but is consistent with his 'the only thing that matters at ALL is defeating the Democrats' approach. His protestations on other principles ring all the hollower.

Kerry/Gore nominating Hillary -- nah, can't see it. I could see said blogs *assuming* that, in that it's a convenient example of a hate figure to plug-and-play into this scenario, much like their effusions over Luttig etc. are convenient choices of the 'right' person. Then real life stepped in and they cried.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

I can't imagine either Kerry or Gore being brazen enough to nominate Hillary. Although I could see Gore doing it before Kerry did it.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

since they was fuckin

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

do yall agree with what some right wing blogs were saying that kerry or gore wouldve nominated hillary for o'connors seat?

bahahahah. not bloody likely.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

thats what pat buchanan told me- vince fosters sloppy seconds ewww!!!

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

actually what are the dems reserves for justices? if ohio flipped sideways kerry woulda had two spots to fill, do i actually know anybody he would be talkin bout now?

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

i read some wsj editorial saying bush should choose fred thompson, maybe kerry would go for sam waterston?

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

if Rev Dobson testifes during her confirmation hearing she's toast.

it's a long shot but this juicy personal info he wouldn't "divulge" and the ensuing white house campaign using him to convert evangelicals to her cause may well sink the nomination. Specter and several other senate republicans on the committee are PISSED OFF.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm hoping for that subpeona.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

this is gunna make for some odd times if it even gets to the situation where some of the democrats realize that having a weak-ass/incompetent justice go thru is the better alternative to some batshit fundie nominee.

then to ease off the pressure on her during the hearings, letting all the republicans tear each other apart going after her.

I guess I'm just wondering at what point do the lines change for who's playing defense vs offense for her case. I still can't get over the image of Harry Reid & Dick Durbin trying very hard to hide grins and offering up as much positive/enabling language as they possibly can:

"Well, she's a candidate with the very strong support of the President, and we really look forward to talking to her thru this process" etc etc etc.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Choosing Fred Thompson would axe his Potus or VPotus chances.

Kerry or Gore probably would have nominated Sonia Sotomayer or Jose Cabranes. Though maybe they're too Northeastern.

If you want to ramrod your (anti-choice) agenda through, it's a pretty politically savvy choice to do it in a way that seems highly unthreatening to the other side by picking someone who both seems relatively unprepared to be a leader for your team and is unknown enough to raise serious home-fan misgivings.

don weiner, still on message.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

don't forget Harry Reid is anti-abortion...

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, hooboy, NRO world is in overdrive today. Kurtz is now backtracking from a formerly positive stance, they've linked to Fund at the WSJ doing the same, Podhoretz tracks some other stuff and concludes separately:

The White House needs to know this. Really. It's getting worse. Trust me.

Aw, poor baby.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

it's a pretty politically savvy choice to do it in a way that seems highly unthreatening to the other side by picking someone who both seems relatively unprepared to be a leader for your team and is unknown enough to raise serious home-fan misgivings.

except that when you pick someone who is your legal (and very likely, personal) confidant, you are much more likely to be certain of that person's view on matters like Roe. So in that sense, that is, the most OBVIOUS sense, picking a crony isn't maybe as unthreatening as it is likely to be a CERTAINTY with regard to ideology. I don't find that savvy at all. The only reason it is savvy is perhaps that she doesn't have a wild-assed paper trail of rulings to haunt her--hell, isn't her close association with Bush a damn close enough approximation to know that she is likely to be a stooge in the right-wing army? Or is it somehow worse if it's a more academic/judicial candidate with fierce intellect or deportment, the kind that can crusade for wingnut causes from the bench?

And yes, I'm on message. Like always, my fax machine and email inbox tells me what to think.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 10 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Hewitt at least temporarily throws in the towel on his 'I will argue at great and overwhelming length' approach on Miers and only says this in a new post:

If those disappointed by the Miers nomination want to assure that a Michael Luttig or a Michael McConnell never get nominated much less through the Senate, they will pursue tactics that will diminish the Senate majority so that the constitutional option is off the table.

Hidden implication -- 'we'll get them next time around, just trust me!' -- which is of course precisely what the annoyed people don't want to hear. This is going to go on...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

maybe Dobson shouldn't have gone after Arlen Specter so hard after the election last year...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

keeps gettin' better
...This newspaper is second to none in its pro-American sentiments; in the early Bush years it devoted much ink to defending the President against the often malevolent and ignorant attacks of a congenitally anti-American European media. But we know a lost cause when we see one: the longer President Bush occupies the White House the more it becomes clear that his big-government domestic policies, his preference for Republican and business cronies over talented administrators, his lack of a clear intellectual compass and his superficial and often wrong-headed grasp of international affairs – all have done more to destroy the legacy of Ronald Reagan, a President who halted then reversed America’s post-Vietnam decline, than any left-liberal Democrat or European America-hater could ever have dreamed of. As one astute American conservative commentator has already observed, President Bush has morphed into the Manchurian Candidate, behaving as if placed among Americans by their enemies to do them damage.

(found this via the Big Picture)

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

An example of the trench warfare (on the net at least) -- one of the main types at confirmthem.com posts this:

If Arlen Specter is really serious about subpoenaing James Dobson, some of his Senate colleagues had better advise him to think twice. It’s one thing for Democrats like Ken Salazar or Pat Leahy to behave that way — quite another for Republicans to do so.

Of course evangelicals like Dr. Dobson annoy the life out of pro-choice “moderates” like Arlen Specter. But they also allow him to enjoy the post of Judiciary Committee Chairman because his party’s in the majority.

No, it’s not like the Religious Right will vote for a Democrat if Republicans mistreat them. But they will stay home — even as it is, it’s a real matter of debate within some religious right communities whether they should be engaging in politics at all.

Even as everyone enjoys having their say about Harriet Miers, her faith, and “what Dr. Dobson knew and when he knew it” — be aware. If the Religious Right goes, Republican electoral dominance goes with them.

Essentially a restatement in other words of what Hewitt's been arguing.

So what happens in the comments section? Oh, where to begin...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

If Arlen Specter is really serious about subpoenaing James Dobson, some of his Senate colleagues had better advise him to think twice. It’s one thing for Democrats like Ken Salazar or Pat Leahy to behave that way — quite another for Republicans to do so.

oh man, it's shit like this that makes me wanna start some sort of enabling campaign. "Dude, go for it!

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt meanwhile has followed up and it's clearly *all* about preserving the party now with him. Some of the winning bits:

The nomination of Miers is one of three things: a brilliant move by the president; a blunder like Reagan's nominations of Justice O'Connor and Kennedy or the first Bush's of Souter; or a betrayal of the sort that occasions taking leave of the whole project.


Other than those who are easily betrayed --and probably already feeling betrayed because of budget deficits of less than 5% GDP or a failure to put machine guns on the Mexican border-- the GOP voters in the last category are very few indeed. They have disproportionate representation among the conservative punditry.

...

Concern over the direction of SCOTUS --an issue second only to winning the GWOT-- counsels support of Miers. Even those convinced it is a blunder ought to now turn their attention to the Iraq elections and away from Miers until the hearings are underway.


Not that they will. Only that they should.

It's all about subtext, of course, and as always with Hewitt neither Bush nor his overriding goal must be sacrificed -- and the target must be his own fellow pundits. Time to watch them eat their own...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

I watched part of "West Wing" for the first time, and damned if this sort of thing wasn't part of the plotline.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

they have disproportionate representation among the conservative punditry.

I like to call those people, "pundits who have long ago given the fuck up on Bush and Republican leadership."

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

a failure to put machine guns on the Mexican border

why just stop there? landmines have worked so well in South Korea and Eastern Europe, let's go for that!

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Hewitt's after his own 'purity' as much as the other side is after its, clearly enough. I'm loving how the more he says 'we must pull together' he's getting in his digs that are going to prevent that. More please!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

also with the choice of the word "blunder," i like how it's kinda finally revealing the whole bullshit of the "activist judges"/"strict interpretation" etc that bugfuck rightwing types have been babbling about whenever some judicial type disasgrees with them.

A judge's personal beliefs are not to be brought to bear with the case, but oh shit, it's a betrayal when a Justice doesn't necessarily toe whatever the Party Line is that week.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

remember in 2004 when the right was laughing at dems for indecision and infighting while they smoothly assembled behind one glorious candidate?

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Mysterious days, those.

Another confirm.them comment< thread worth scanning, just to see the bile. Hewitt comes in for a particular roasting.

This Balloon Juice bit, meanwhile, even if only one example, suggests a much more lopsided reaction against her than the support-the-Prez wing is allowing for.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, all this is along with what I was going on about upthread.

Should we allow/support getting a hilariously/horrifyingly incompetent nominee thru the system who'll have massive conflicts of interest for the next 3 years and who'll write some seriously weak sauce opinions while letting the rightwing tear itself up?

or do we use our powder now and let her falter/kill her nomination off only to have the strong guano loco come thru next time that has the unified & unifying support of their base?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sanguine about ANY prospect, really, because I'm not sure of their various likelihoods. Personally I'd prefer there to be a little bit of random chaos continuing in general.

Instapundit sums it up and wonders what crack Bush and crew were on.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Ned, what crack are you on to be reading Instapundit!? Good lord.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

Do I have to explain my logic again as to why I track right wing sites like these? Jesus H., people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

ned i feel 4 u

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Trife thinks he loves u.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Bush's nominee to replace O'Connor is (205 new answers, 285 total)
alabama chief justice roy moore (12 new answers)

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

u 2 dan

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

*cue Dan's MC cameo*

ned i feel 4 u

I knew you would understand!

Bush's nominee to replace O'Connor is (205 new answers, 285 total)
alabama chief justice roy moore (12 new answers)

Oh man, imagine if.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

remember in 2004 when the right was laughing at dems for indecision and infighting while they smoothly assembled behind one glorious candidate?

Yeah, both parties infamously suffer from this. Unfortunately, it's the Democrats who have a tendency to do this before the election.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, off in Malkin world -- read it mainly for the comments near the bottom, thus:

I was one of the grass roots volunteers working my butt off for the President's reelection. Among those I worked with on the campaign, there was no issue that was more important than appointing the absolute best people to the Supreme Court. Never once did I hear a list of elitist qualifications or anything of the sort. The discussions always centered on picking candidates in whom we could have confidence and fight for.

It feels like I've gotten kicked in the teeth, and the guy who kicked me, along with his best buddies, are telling me I'm a jerk for not enjoying it. What's worse is that I think they actually believe I am a jerk for not enjoying it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, another piece like Fund's which makes for a flip from last week from support to opposition that a lot of the sites have been referring to is this from PoliPundit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Do I have to explain my logic again as to why I track right wing sites like these? Jesus H., people.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), October 10th, 2005.

Which is why so many of the purported leftists on this board anger me. They have no idea nor do they care what O'Reilly, Sullvan, Frum, Goldberg et al have to say.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

dude im with you on that except for o'reilly, he may have the audience but he never actually takes a stand on anything first unless its so inconsequential as to be meaningless (luda/pepsi, political correctness gone mad, etc), the others are actually important

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

funny, entertaining show though

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Scratch O'Reilly's name from that list, replace w/Dobson.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Add Podhoretz as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

most of ile assumes im a young republican nowadays anyway

xpost ned otm

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

ludacris doesn't seem to find mr. o'reilly's attacks on him so entertaining or humorous, though.

(xpost)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

he doesnt??

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

'kiss the plaintiff and the wifey'

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

(i stand corrected)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

does that make him an 'uncle thomas' too??

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Goddammit now you've made me think of that Michael Ivey-sponsored Uncle Clarence the Thomas band. (Were they actually any good?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

haha basehead sucked

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Not as rockin' as Antonin & The Scalias.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

http://crm.tv/images/resource-images/103287_crm_detail.jpg

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

They have no idea nor do they care what O'Reilly, Sullvan, Frum, Goldberg et al have to say.

yes, how can i live without the benefits of such great intellect, compassion and mental health

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

I want the several hours of my life I spent reading half of Frum's '70s book back

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Way to miss the point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

yeah man why read anything you might disagree with

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

No, I get the point

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

i now only read books that i myself have written so i never disagree with any of it

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I see, you're SPIES! Spies in the house of Instapundit! A dangerous job. You could well die of the boredom.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

maybe what gabbneb means is that you don't have to wade into a shitty diaper of discourse to gain insight or empathy or anything else on this subject. speaking for myself, wallowing into the other side more or less confirms what I think of it; I generally find this activity more amusing than time-wasting.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

It's the fact that for others it so often confirms their worldviews -- and that I want to keep an eye on.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

My dad listens to right-wing radio like it's crack.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

ive really had the exact opposite experience, reading right wing/conservative thinkers is enriching for me and more often than not doesnt just confirm what i already thought about them (except coulter, who is always wrong but always hilarious)

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

If Coulter is always wrong, then her coming out against Miers means...

OH NO

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

I suppose that you may get something from it on an ongoing basis that I'm missing out on, and I'd be interested in hearing more. But I think I understand the other side as a general matter, and that I have a fairly good quick read on its particular exponents on the basis of what limited exposure I've been willing to put up with. More than that and I'd rather keep my blood pressure in check.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

but yeah i have the privelege and distance from extremist right-wingers to find it 'interesting', got raised by activist lefties and live in a big gay city now but whenever i visit home in south carolina this shit gets alot less cute

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

does this shit really make yall so angry? like i said theres a real distance here in atlanta but while yall go alex in nyc over malkin/coulter/whatever shit is just funny to me

_, Monday, 10 October 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

does this shit really make yall so angry? like i said theres a real distance here in atlanta but while yall go alex in nyc over malkin/coulter/whatever shit is just funny to me

Perhaps it's just a matter of environment -- but even so, hell, I live in OC, and my reaction is the same as Ethan's. Only Hewitt ever actively riled me up, to my surprise, and as he's spent this past week shooting more holes in his foot than anything else personally that feeling long passed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

I smoke crack like it's right-wing radio.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

NRO makes me want to smoke etc. etc. etc. yeah anyway fuck Beck moving on then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

From an NYTimes story the other day:

Behind the scenes, Republican allies of the White House said they were trying to put together a public relations strategy to combat the mounting criticism over the Miers nomination. The effort, they said, would include administration officials, the Republican National Committee and conservative advocates who will carry onto television, talk radio and other forums the message that Ms. Miers, the White House counsel and a close confidante of the president, is a strong choice and that Mr. Bush will stand firmly behind her.

They said the White House was working to assemble a dossier that would back up its case about Ms. Miers' record of accomplishment, her legal qualifications and her conservative credentials. The administration was trying to assemble and review as much documentation as it could find about Ms. Miers's public record before she came to the White House, including details of her service on the Dallas City Council and her role as president of the State Bar of Texas.

Jim Dyke, a former spokesman for the Republican National Committee who has joined the White House to help confirm Ms. Miers, said in an interview she was being seriously underestimated.

"President of the Texas bar association, president of the Dallas Bar Association, head of a major law firm, those are impressive credentials and they are being summarily dismissed," Mr. Dyke said. Asked about Mr. Specter's remark, Mr. Dyke said that as White House counsel, Ms. Miers already had "a mastery of the Constitution and constitutional law," and said she needed to do nothing more than any other nominee to prepare. He added, "There seem to be some unfair assumptions being made."

Bainbridge in response:

It figures that George Bush would rather just look into somebody's heart than actually do his homework before making a selection. But who in the White House is pulling this stuff together and what if they don't like what they find? Will they tell Dobson but not the Senate or the rest of us? More generally, it is precisely this sort of "act first, think later" business that most drives me nuts about Bush.

You're not alone there...

A piece at Townhall.com calling for withdrawal, Patterico comes out against (no surprise really), Quin Wossname proposes an exit strategy at ConfirmThem and the comments are flying, Hewitt calls in an interview from Lino Gralia, Frum gets fed up with people assuming he's out to get Miers due to personal spite, Podhoretz and Lopez deal with the negative mail as they do and so it goes and goes and goes...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

Also, Fund on Hewitt's show today. Key bit:

JF: Here's the problem. Because the White House has been so unfair to Harriet Miers and her supporters, because they haven't collected the information, they've sent you onto the beaches of Normandy without proper ammunition and armament. Because of that, we are going to see six or seven surprises come down the road the next few days, about Harriet Miers. Now all of them are sustainable individually. The problem is because the White House was completely unprepared for this, they're doing a disservice to you and her supporters...

HH: Want to give me an example of one, John?

JF: The Texas Lotter Commission, and all the various contracts that were allocated, how they were allocated, and Harriet Miers' role in them.

HH: And what's that going to tell us about her?

JF: The story will be coming out this week, and it's going to involve possible interference by the governor's office with the operations of the Lotter Commission. I'm not saying Harriet Miers was involved. I'm simply saying these are stories that are going to come out, that need answers, and frankly, the White House hasn't done the homework. I hope they have the answers ready.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

Don't it seem like a lot of these people were looking for an excuse to get off the bus? I mean, I'm totally unimpressed with Miers too, but I didn't expect to be impressed. I think the combination of Iraq and New Orleans over the last few months (along with, maybe, those nosediving poll numbers) started cracking the base. Miers is just a convenient thing to get outraged about. There's a lot of sinking-ship rattery going on.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

(but the problem is that no matter how weakened they come out of this, we still have them for three more years. gah.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

x-post -- Yeah, it could well be. I mean, *nobody* is saying anything like "I'm voting Democratic," obviously, but for the first time I've noticed -- I'm sure it's been said before, though -- there's a huge distinction being drawn between Bush and 'the cause' among many quarters I've been checking out. At a certain point everyone was going to be looking ahead towards 2008 regardless, but I think that's going to happen a lot more quickly now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

..which is funny because there's nothing more pointless than looking ahead at 2008 when we've seen how much can happen in a short amount of time.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Letters reveal Miers' profound admiration for Bush

And how!

Harriet Miers, President Bush's nominee for the Supreme Court, quickly developed a deep and almost gushing admiration for her boss from her earliest days in Texas government.

"You are the best governor ever - deserving of great respect!" she wrote in 1997, in a belated birthday note that was typical of the tone she used in her correspondence with then-Gov. Bush.

...

Bush responded to her birthday wish in kind, and included a humorous, if baffling, postscript.

"I appreciate your friendship and candor. Never hold back your sage advice," he wrote. "P.S. No more public scatology." Whether Bush was referring to Miers' rough-and-tumble time as chairwoman of the Texas Lottery Commission or something else isn't clear. Scatology refers to "the study of or preoccupation with excrement or obscenity," according to Webster's dictionary.

Why of course the emphasis is mine.

Various other bits from Miers during that time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

Scatology, santorum....those nutty Republicans!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

DAER GEORGE,

U R TEH BEST GOV'RNOR EVAH!
BFF,
HARRIET

P.S. I DID A POO

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Lowry despairs.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt looks for signs of hope in Althouse and 'the center-right grassroots.' Bainbridge wonders about questioning. NRO's Bench Memos blog's cup runneth over and elsewhere Frum ponders the fates.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

And more from the Miers record as such.

A few days later, Ms. Miers wrote to thank the Bushes, saying, "Texas has a very popular governor and first lady!" She recalled a little girl who collected Mr. Bush's autograph and said, "I was struck by the tremendous impact you have on the children whose lives you touch."

The notes to Mr. Bush date from at least March 1995, around the time he named her to the lottery commission, the files show. On March 25, on the letterhead of her Dallas law firm, Locke Purnell Rain Harrell, Ms. Miers wrote to thank him "for taking the time to visit in the office and on the plane back - cool!"

"Keep up all the great work," she wrote. "The state is in great hands. Thanks also for yours and your family's personal sacrifice."

In October 1997, Ms. Miers sent Mr. Bush a flowery greeting card in thanks for a letter that he had written on her behalf. In it, she said of his daughters: "Hopefully Jenna and Barbara recognize that their parents are 'cool' - as do the rest of us."

She added, "All I hear is how great you and Laura are doing," and ended, "Texas is blessed."

...

Some papers from Ms. Miers's time at the commission , a position to which she was named by Mr. Bush, depicted her as a bureaucrat with a keen eye for procedure. They also showed she sailed through her confirmation hearing. Minutes of commission meetings showed Ms. Miers in command, questioning employees and other commissioners on topics like advertising, charitable bingo operations and bids to help manage the lotteries. One lawmaker asked what groups could run bingo, saying, "Could the Ku Klux Klan?"

Ms. Miers responded, "Well, I would certainly hope not."

Yeah, you'd think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

These are the saddest secret memos ever.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

cool!

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

At the hearing, Harriet Miers should be grilled on the following:

-- Her taste in stationery (50lb Book? 70lb Text?)
-- Her recipe for devil's food cake
-- Paperclips vs. staples
-- Her secret shame: huffing helium from the birthday balloons

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Ponnuru gets annoyed with Hewitt again, Lopez deals with readers questioning her sense of history, etc. etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

"You are the best governor ever - deserving of great respect!"

http://game-science.com/reviews/img/ps2_kd/intro.jpg

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Quite a set of shoulders on that one

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Hahahah.

Goldberg, as I semi-predicted, is starting to rip into his own audience a bit. There's a lot of talk about how all the division 'is good for the health of conservatism' but now the knives are coming out a little more thoroughly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

The First Lady has some thoughts. Joe Gandelman responds.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

...and Hewitt throws more fuel on the fire talking about 'the Bos-Wash Axis of Elitists' some time after Goldberg and Ponnuru's comments. I have a feeling this will be a long day.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, in the 'actual news' department:

The Gang of 14’s centrist Democratic and Republican senators met and gave preliminary approval yesterday to Harriet Miers as President Bush’s nominee to replace Justice Sandra Day O’Connor on the Supreme Court.

Emerging from a meeting at the offices of Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said, “This nomination didn’t set off any alarm bells with any of us.”

The significance of this provisional endorsement, though presented in a low-key fashion, could be huge, for it means that unless damning evidence emerges during the Judiciary Committee’s as-yet unscheduled confirmation hearings the nominee is unlikely to be filibustered, and a party-line vote would mean confirmation. A party-line vote is far from assured because conservatives have not welcomed the nomination.

Yesterday’s meeting was the Gang’s first formal opportunity to discuss Miers, and several of the senators said they are still early in the process and under no commitment to vote for the nominee.

“This is the beginning of a lengthy process,” said Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine).

But the Gang’s raison d’être is to prevent both politically motivated filibusters and the “nuclear option,” a rule change to cut off debate. The Gang thus seems to be lining up to force colleagues to accept an up-or-down vote on Miers’s confirmation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/6125/scatology3vx.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

http://mrsun.us/files/miersgun.jpg

_, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

And Goldberg gets annoyed and Hewitt gets annoyed and ConfirmThem has just started in on Laura Bush and BullMoose noted a shift in Rove's tactics and...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

I wish these guys still settled things like gentlemen, with pistols at dawn.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

A vision!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

nice wrap-up of the published coverage from CJR Daily. Contains this bit from USN&WR that I hadn't thought about:

White House advisers are already looking ahead to the State of the Union address next year as a way to lift President Bush out of his political doldrums.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Man, when they're counting on a speech by George Bush to save them, they are really running on fumes. Which they are huffing. In the dark. While they cover their ears. And go "la la la la I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

This disarray and denial is so much better than a muscular Bush juggernaut dismantling Social Security, killing the estate tax and ramming through his faith-based initiative.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Okay, today just keeps veering between meltdown and simmering hatred on the commentary so here's the other bit of actual news, depending:

Focus on the Family founder James Dobson will take to the airwaves Wednesday and Thursday to clarify what information he got from the White House or other sources about U.S. Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers.

Dobson has faced a barrage of media attention in recent days because he has tentatively endorsed Miers just as other conservatives or evangelical Christian leaders have expressed doubts about her qualifications and concern about the lack of a paper trail outlining her views.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

There is meanwhile also this from confirmthem.com, the most detailed take on this subject I've read over the past couple of days. Should it suddenly disappear, I'll quote it here:

I was going to write a juicy piece with lots of good quotes from White House sources, but in the past twenty-four hours I’ve gotten calls, emails, and instant messages requesting that I please not quote anyone. What’s going on?

Here’s the story I was going to write: I was going to write about the flurry of White House conservative staffers contacting me to vent. Slowly, but surely, momentum among the conservative staffers shifted from tight lipped Bushies to angry activists and then abruptly stopped. A couple worked under Miers and said they loved her, but could not fathom that she would be considered for the post, given that no one really knows where she stands except potentially on affirmative action and that would be bad for the conservative position.

What all the callers wanted to say, but then decided they should not say, or at least not be quoted saying, was that Andy Card really and truly was the person pushing Miers. The general theme was that Tim Flanigan had moved on in 2002, Gonzales had moved to Justice taking well trained staff with him, and Miers was left to fill a definite void with some lesser experienced staff.

Those who mentioned Roberts praised Miers handling of Roberts and commented that Miers went to bat for Roberts right out of the gate with a game plan in place, but no one was there to do the same for Miers. An independent source tells me that Miers begged for more time, but the White House demanded that Monday be the day. Interestingly, there is a credible rumor out there that the White House insisted on Monday because the intended nominee to be announced backed out over the weekend. Yes, it is a very credible rumor.

Part of the Miers pick seems to be a confused process and a rush job, which adds credibility to the rumor of a last minute back out. But, the White House conservatives and outside parties all indicate that they were ignored. They were heard but not listened to. Several who talked to RedState insist that warning flags were given to Andrew Card and others, but that those warning were ignored and Card pushed the issue all the way to the President’s desk.

One outside source who has a good ear to the ground tells me that the White House most likely has nothing else to offer in Miers’ favor, but will just recycle previous sound bites. This same source bolsters what a White House staffer tells me, in that the vetting process was so poorly done that much of what is now coming out about Miers was unknown before her nomination.

The remaining questions are whether Republican Senators will force the White House to withdraw the Miers nomination and, if so, will the replacement be less favorable to conservatives.

The mention of a sudden last-minute substitution is starting to gain a bit of further traction elsewhere, but this appears to be the more coherent source. The word that Card was behind a lot of this had been circulating for a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Podhoretz has his own thoughts:

Ramesh, you note that Erick Erickson speaks of a "very credible rumor" that the intended nominee dropped out at the last minute. My bs detector suggests this might be some weird back-spin back-channel spin from the White House (of the "hey, give us a break, we had a good nominee but she quit and we had to go out there with somebody"). I mean, come on. Everybody on the relatively short list has been there for months and months. The idea that somebody would drop at the last minute rather than keep his or her name out of contention at an earlier phase seems a tad far-fetched.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

I don't buy the last-minute ditch meme as credible at all.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

But Dobson's "credible source" is The Lord Himself. There is no room for doubt!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

How many times in the past five years have liberals jumped on a Bush fuck-up or 'signs of an impending conservative collapse' as evidence that they're falling apart, only to watch everyone quietly line up and do as they're told (or at least quietly do something else) when the time comes?

Anyone seriously expecting a meaningful conservative division is smoking crack.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

Conservatives be faking liberals out by faking conservatives out by faking liberals out by faking conservatives.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Anyone seriously expecting a meaningful conservative division is smoking crack.

But even a meaningless conservative division is more fun to watch than the We Love George show.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

Dobson transcript

Immediate ConfirmThem reaction -- in short, "DOBSON = PWNED," as they see it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

As one of them puts it:

sure sounds like Dobson’s just trying to avoid a subpoena.

This is PURE spin. NOTHING in his tale falls into the “super secret, hush hush stuff that I shouldn’t know”.

He’s just trying to dig himself out of the legal mess that he’s now in.

Wonder if people will be foolish enough to fall for it.

Pretty transparent and disingenuous if you ask me!

Hope he still gets pulled in front of the Committee. It’ll be a lot of fun watching him commit perjury.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt starts quoting lots of other things instead of saying anything new, Bainbridge at least still throws in some analysis, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Okay, even I'm feeling overwhelmed now, and watching all these characters beat up on each other rhetorically has been the best charge on the political front I've had in months. More links shortly, though -- from last night to today things have really gotten wacky.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Okay, here we go:

Major piece right now is this one from the NY Times saying a slew of Senate aides are opposed to Miers.

From NRO world:

Frum: 'A Sinking Nomination'

Lopez publishes a batch of letters on Miers -- to say opinions are split is understating

Goldberg adds to Podhoretz's skepticism I linked to a few posts back. McCarthy chimes in. Goldberg also wonders if some leaking couldn't have helped. Geraghty offers up a thought, countered by Podhoretz

Kurtz responds to Hewitt over the potential Senate seat cost and to that NY Times article.

Ponnuru responds to Hewitt (more on that in a bit)

Podhoretz meanwhile responds to the news that Specter is annoyed with the 'pummeling' Miers and Bush are getting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

I also cringe when this web site features the fatuous ruminations of people
duscussing–with all seriousness–the “144,000 witnesses” and other such religious gobbledegook.

I didn’t volunteer for Reagan years ago just to see the party overrun by religious fanatics, who can’t think straight.

....

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

where's that one from?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

From elsewhere:

Hewitt titles his major bit so far this morning 'A Lean and Hungry Look...,' responding to the NY Times piece. He's not thrilled. (He also links, though not approvingly, to a parallel Washington Times piece.) He also notes a new pro-Miers switch.

Balloon Juice calls Dobson's stuff 'pure bullshit'

BillMon at WhiskyBar offers up some thoughts on the perceived Card/Rove power struggle being played out.

Brookhiser serves up some summary.

BigLizards and Captain's Quarters on opposing views on 'Did Laura Bush really say that?' The comments in the latter are, shall we say, ripe.

And it's another busy day at ConfirmThem:

From the Confirm Them email bag:

I am not sure if you caught this over the weekend, but the White House has launched a new line of attacks against the critics of the Miers nomination. Apparently unable to make their earlier claims of sexism and elitism stick, they have begun smearing the conservative judges that were preferred by some of the administration’s most vocal critics. Brit Hume had a pretty nasty exchange with Bill Kristol on Fox News, where he attacked Sixth Circuit Judge Alice Batchelder out of nowhere and claimed there is “all kinds of evidence that she is a judicial activist,” or something to that effect. (This claim, by the way, is absolutely laughable. Unlike Hume, I am quite familiar with Judge Batchelder’s record, and there isn’t anything remotely “activist” in it.)

I did not vote for this President so that I could see his flaks attack conservative judges. If the White House or Brit Hume have substantive arguments regarding Miers’ qualifications, they should offer them. But this new diversion, attacking well-respected judges in order to distract us from the issues at hand — Bush’s cronyism and Miers’ lack of relevant work experience — is truly despicable. Importantly, this was just the opening salvo. For the past several days, the White House has been calling the media with negative talking points on Batchelder and other judges. (Obviously, you have no particular reason to believe me, but I am sure you can confirm what I am saying with minimal effort.)

Conservatives looked the other way while Bush passed steel tariffs, engaged in the type of nation-building that he specifically campaigned against, and spent more money than any President in history. We did so in part because we care deeply about the judiciary and we trusted that Bush would live up to his promise of appointing Justices like Scalia and Thomas. It is bad enough that he broke that promise. It is beyond the pale for him to add insult to injury by unleashing his hounds on conservative judges whose sole crime seems to be their popularity with the Republican base.

And yes there's lots more...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Even given the negative impact Bush II has had on the country, I have to admit that I'm kind of glad he was President now as it seems that this entire fracas is well on its way to obliterating Republican unity.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

It's still far too early to assume that and too many 'solutions' are being proposed which, if put into place, could lead to the base's acquiescence and worse. I'm essentially hoping on Bush's bullheadness and some amazing jokers being played by Fitzgerald against both Rove and Cheney in Plame at this point, among other things.

Meanwhile, from another corner of NRO world, Lopez:

Alberto Gonzales was Miers flacking this morning. I bet that got those disgruntled, depressed, and demoralized Republican staffers on the Hill to work!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

whats up with this nro vs sullivan shit- making fun of dudes sleep apnea?! why not go full on michael savage on him too

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

not that im gonna stand up for a racist hypocrite like sullivan but really thats just uncivil towards someone they basically agree with

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

(Essentially, it also boils down to this -- a real fracturing sees the blame from the hyperwingnut bunch placed specifically on Bush, not Rove or Card or some other lackey. If I may stretch the parallel, there needs to be a moment as what happened in Russia when a general mood switched from 'The Czar is all right but his ministers are a corrupt lot' to 'The Czar is fucked.' That said, of course, Bush can't last longer than 2008 by default, so like I muttered this is in part a question of who people turn to next.)

whats up with this nro vs sullivan shit- making fun of dudes sleep apnea?!

I don't know, it's some weird default thing between them. Did you see Sullivan's site got hacked this morning?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, this, if true, is very interesting:

A journalist friend just spoke with a top Texas lawyer who spoke with Priscilla Owen last week. He says that she "most emphatically" did not withdraw her name from consideration to the Court. If the White House spin is that Harriet Miers got the job because nobody else wanted it, it would seem that the White House is at a desperation point.

Heheheh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, during all this, Hard Work is happening!

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20051011/capt.lasa10610111334.bush_hurricanes_lasa106.jpg?x=380&y=296&sig=FC4Y5cRkegl6bpSpzlHzbA-- http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20051011/i/r3900324799.jpg?x=380&y=270&sig=G9NWXbIlbgKpdg2r58kNOA--
Humanity building project being taped for a morning televsion show, in Covington, La., Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2005. Hurricane Katrina left an estimated 350,000 families homeless in the region. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

Also, I love the shot of Laura in the 2nd pic. If you ever wanted a photo of somebody's mom wanting to help but clearly having no idea what to do, there you go. "Uhm, do you guys need anything?"

(i'm posting this in here b/c i can't find a better spot)

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Both those shots are just AMAZING.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Did you see Sullivan's site got hacked this morning?

yeah it was lame, just like skull & crossbones shit right?? they shouldve reposted his personals ad desperately seeking 18 yr olds for unprotected HIV+ buttfucking

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Shhh, you're giving it away!

Yeah, I remember some lame graphic. Apparently it might be this dude.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Sullivan's actually been mostly silent over this whole thing, but he's had a couple of interesting points here and there, including this new one:

I've long doubted that a shrewd Republican president would want to see Roe over-turned. It's too useful for voter turn-out and direct mail. So what we're seeing is an inevitable clash between the party's elite realists and its grass-roots true believers. That's what makes this such an interesting moment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I also wonder if he isn't onto something with this:

My guess is that Rove talked Bush out of Gonzales and, almost in a fit of pique, Bush picked Miers instead. But that's a guess. I have no idea what the president's motivations were in this odd pick. Neither, it appears, do his most die-hard supporters.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Li'l Braekdancing Ken should make an appearance in those pix.

William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

and the horrified dude from the rampaging sage francis girl jpg

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

If the choice was between Miers and Priscilla Owen, Miers it is. God help us if the Bushites were Machiavellian enough to use Miers as a red herring, have her withdraw her name/go down in ashes, so he could nominate Owen.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that's why though I'm thrilled beyond belief at all this spite and rage the right is directing against itself, at the same time I'm not sanguine about any of this, yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

The President speaks, sort of:

President Bush said Wednesday that Harriet Miers' religious beliefs figured into her nomination to the Supreme Court as a top-ranking Democrat warned against any "wink and a nod" campaign for confirmation.

"People are interested to know why I picked Harriet Miers," Bush told reporters at the White House. "Part of Harriet Miers' life is her religion."

Bush, speaking at the conclusion of an Oval Office meeting with visiting Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski, said that his advisers were reaching out to conservatives who oppose her nomination "just to explain the facts." He spoke on a day in which conservative James Dobson, founder of Focus on Family, said he had discussed the nominee's religious views with presidential aide Karl Rove.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile:

Some Supreme Court candidates withdrew from consideration but that had nothing to do with President George W. Bush's eventual selection of White House lawyer Harriet Miers, the White House said on Wednesday.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan confirmed what conservative Christian leader James Dobson told his radio program about an October 1 telephone conversation he had had with top White House aide Karl Rove, in which Rove tried to convince Dobson to support Miers for the Supreme Court.

A senior administration official said it was "just a couple" of candidates who had withdrawn from consideration.

80% != 'a couple,' I believe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Elsewhere at the Post:

With conservative unrest toward Harriet Miers's nomination to the Supreme Court showing no signs of abating, I wondered why we haven't seen any of the Republican senators mentioned as 2008 presidential candidates come out against her, a move that would win them plaudits among the party's ideological right -- not to mention scads of press coverage.

I made several phone calls to Republican consultants and advisers to try and find answers. The overwhelming consensus was that even though President Bush's approval ratings are not stellar currently, none of the potential '08 candidates is willing to risk his wrath by making the political gambit of publicly opposing Miers.

"Nobody wants to take a sharp stick and poke it in the eye of the president no matter what his approval rating is," said Glen Bolger, a Republican pollster with the firm Public Opinion Strategies. "He is too strong with Republican primary voters and three years from now he will remember anyone who votes against his nominee."

An adviser to one of the candidates often mentioned as a 2008 contender echoed Bolger's sentiment. "The danger for anybody is that this president takes those things very seriously. You cross him at your own peril."

The adviser, who asked to withhold his name in order to comment more freely, acknowledged that declaring opposition to Miers could help a candidate in the "competition for someone to emerge as the right wing alternative."

Chuck Todd, the editor-in-chief of the Hotline -- the premier political tipsheet -- says in his column today that the lack of public opposition to Miers is about -- surprise! -- money. "The Bushies may become unpopular with the grassroots during the next election but they'll be able to financially veto candidates if they please," Todd writes.

To date, Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback (R) has been the most outspoken of the would-be presidential candidates. A member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Brownback said recently of Miers: "A lot of us wanted to see somebody that was a well-formed jurist so that they had a track record of what they would do in cases coming in front of the court. Harriet Miers doesn't have that track record and doesn't seem to be well-formed in her judicial philosophy, having never been on the bench."

Brownback is a favorite of social conservatives but is little-known nationally and would seem to have the most to gain by publicly opposing Miers in the near future.

Here are a few snippets of comments made about Miers by GOP senators often mentioned as considering presidential bids in 2008:

* Sen. George Allen (Va.): "I want to be assured she's not going to be a [Associate Justice David] Souter."; "Right now, I'm keeping an open mind. I need to learn more. I'm trying to discern as best I can what her judicial philosophy is."

* Sen. John McCain (Ariz.): "Over the course of 30 years, Ms. Miers has accumulated vast experience as a legal practitioner, led her peers as the head of state and local bar associations, and worked tirelessly as a dedicated public servant."

* Sen. Chuck Hagel (Neb.): "I have met her, but beyond that, I really haven't worked with her. I know very little about her."

* Sen. Bill Frist (Tenn.): "She understands the importance of judicial restraint, and will faithfully interpret the Constitution, not legislate from the bench."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

thanks, frist-bot

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Hey man, that SEC stuff takes a lot out of you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

activist judges has been such a lame PR move for republicans, does it have any popular support at all?? aside from biting them in the ass during the schiavo case, i guess

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

theyre LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH!!! they need to go back and read the part of the constitution that blatantly prohibits gay marriage, right-to-die, and grand theft auto

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Well it's all how you define 'activism' of course -- there are strict interpretation wonks, but of course what a lot of people are saying is 'activism that I don't agree with as opposed to activism that I do.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041105/gta_041105_hmed.hmedium.jpg
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

well yeah thats what i mean it seems like such a weird, shaky talking point compared to so many of their others

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

You know, I was thinking about that 'well-regulated militia' part today and was wondering if there could be a solution to that whole issue which focused in on THAT as much as the second part of the sentence.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

(It's also not completely off topic as Miers is also being sold due to apparent Second Amendment support, though nobody's thinking about that much aside from some NRA types, I'd guess.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

The militia clause has always been a popular feature among anti-NRA types in my experience. Another fun thing is that it resonates in "originalism," since good arguments based on the drafter's understanding and intent with respect to the mechanics of civil defense can be made. And since originalism usually gets those cons all hard, there's a little bit of dissonance, if you're lucky.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

well yeah its national guard right?? debates about gun rights are strangely dull to me

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Xpost "drafters'"

Yeah, it's not so fundamental to my concept of justice. At least so far.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

"People are interested to know why I picked Harriet Miers," Bush told reporters at the White House. "Part of Harriet Miers' life is her religion."

And, as Christopher Hitchens rightly pointed out on Monday, how on earth is her religion a sign of integrity?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Or even a sign of where one stands on Roe v. Wade -- I've seen a couple of recent figures that, if accurate, concluded that among evangelicals surveyed, about a third supported the decision.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

I was gonna type "that must be the third that got knocked up by daddy" but that's really wrong, AND, have you ever seen the site documenting women who are pro-life and have had abortions? I'll find it if I can, it's pretty amazing.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

At RedState, a writer suggests (returning to one of the first things that Hewitt mentioned, if indirectly) that the choice was driven first and foremost by terrorism and response -- said writer then concludes that if true, this is still a bad mistake on his part.

ConfirmThem bits here and here continue the general angst, and then there's this one, posted by about the only top level Miers supporter at that site:

opposition to Miers seems to be inversely proportional to geographical distance from D.C. or New York. A very trustworthy source of mine — yes, a Senate staffer on the Republican side — drew a sharp distinction between private staff complaining on the one hand (which does seem to exist), and open Senate opposition, on the other. Certainly, the former does not necessarily translate into the latter.

My source noted, correctly in my view, that “the hearings will actually matter this time” and that if Miers “exceeds low expectations, she’ll be fine.”

"Can you spell your name?"

"Yes."

"Great, you're in."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

That, combined with the hypnotic effect of a prominent "W" lapel pin.

Hunter (Hunter), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

also our modern weapons have about as much to do with "arms" as the space shuttle does with the locomotive

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

"Part of Harriet Miers' life is her religion."

Questions about Roberts' religion are SO out of line...oh wait.

Still, the "pulling a Souter" thing is pretty telling from bush supporters. Changing your mind EVER is the greatest sin of moral weakness, since you were obviously mistaken before and can't be percieved as weak. We must stay the course!

Xpost:

some Jefferson researchers(e.g. Thom Hartmann) have talked about how he wanted the other half of that bit to talk about how the U.S. shouldn't have a standing army, so he added that militia thing. However, other delegates didn't like that so much, and so they stripped the second half out.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

also our modern weapons have about as much to do with "arms" as the space shuttle does with the locomotive

I'd just as soon not stand in front of either of those.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

which one would you rather ride into outer space with?

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.kent.net/robotech/ships/zentraedi/landing_ship.gif

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

ned i think what harriet miers keeps in her top dresser drawer is her own business

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.brianbarnett.com/images/george_drag.jpg

Think of where it has been.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Swank.

Keep an eye on this -- Bainbridge is liveblogging a conference call with RNC chairman Ken Mehlmann. So far:

11:41 Miers will not be swayed by the "Georgetown cocktail set." Mehlman acknowledges that conservatives have been burned by past GOP nominations, but emphasizes that Bush knows Miers better than past GOP Presidents knew their nominees. (But what happens if we don't trust Bush's judgment anymore?)

11:43 Judicial activism is interfering with the GWOT by "micromanaging" decisions. Miers will be solid on executive prerogative. Acknowledges that she'll have to recuse herself in some early cases. (Did she support use of torture?)

11:44 Broke barriers

11:46 Questioner asked for concrete evidence she's a Scalia or Thomas. Mehlman says she is but doesn't support it with any facts.

11:49 Somebody (I think Mark Coffey) asks about news that some candidates refused to be considered. Mehlman doesn't know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Let's hear it for Ned 'n' Ethan, ladies & gentlemen! Two shows nightly! Must be 18 for the later show!

xpost

"Georgetown cocktail set."

hooray! "whiff of elitism" incarnated into a new talking point!

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

"Ethan"?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Oh right, Nicole is invisible, I keep forgetting.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Well done, Mr. Perry.

As for the Georgetown crack, I think that's more in response to the idea that folks once *on* the bench are then swayed away from their previous positions to the Bad Evil Liberal Place (see also: Souter, Kennedy).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

11:53 Tough question, which is basically how can we trust Bush after he flip-flopped on McCain-Feingold. Mehlman's answer is that legislation invovles compromise, whereas judicial nominees are your legacy. (So what? The President has an institutional obligation to veto legislation he thinks is unconstitutional not to punt to courts.)

11:54 Somebody (I think it was Ed Morrissey) asks why we're getting stealth candidates when we control the White House and Senate. Mehlman says we'll get information at the hearings (but what if Miers cleaves to the Ginsburg rule with both hands?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

"Ethan"?

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

You know, that one guy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

You know, that dude from Lost.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Oh right, Nicole is invisible, I keep forgetting

actually, i was referring to the Zentradi exchance. (Or Invid?)

(also, totally hott: the zentradi chick with green hair)

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

hey yall would know this- dude on lost is a cold blooded killa right?? so much realer than being associated with some goateed wannabe novelist gen x-er thru the 90s

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Dude if you were the guy on Lost that would be great, cause then you would set some bees against the panda bears and then do something about heroin hobbit's cruddy band.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

11:57 The GOP wants to make sure that young lawyers feel comfortable doing things like joining the Federalist Society, but it's more important to get conservatives on the court. (But if you're putting forward stealth candidates, doesn't that defeat the former purpose?)

11:58 I get to ask whether Miers' records on preferences suggests she'll be more like O'Connor than Scalia or Thomas. Mehlman won't comment on Miers role, but defends the position the administration took in the Michigan affirmative action litigation. I also comment that Miers needs to be forthcoming at the hearings. Mehlman says she'll lay out her philosophy, but comport with the judicial code of ethics (which says to me that she'll pull a Ginsburg and we won't learn much from the hearings other than how well she can spout platitudes).

Call ends. My mind is unchanged. It was a lot of assurances but not a lot of facts. And facts are what we need.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

other real-as-fuck ethans-

ethan edwards from the searchers
ethan suplee, big ol fat dude in mallrats
ethan ryman, wu-tang affiliate and executive producer for 'return to the 36 chambers'
ethan hunt from mission impossible
ethan coen, director of fargo
ethan frome, fucks his wifes cousin & breaks her spine with a sled
ethan allen, revolutionary war hero

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Sullivan:

The desperation of the White House is intensifying. It seems to me that the personal religious faith of a nominee to the Supreme Court is completely irrelevant to the job in question. Interpreting a secular constitution requires no religious faith or affiliation. If the president really does believe that faith is an actual qualification for the court, then once again he has stepped over a line between church and state. Religion should neither qualify nor disqualify someone from SCOTUS. Isn't that a no-brainer? Is there an evangelical take on the fourteenth amendment? It's also just plain amusing to hear that, according to the White House, a) no men were considered for the post and that b) opposition to Miers is possibly a function of sexism. Did we elect Hillary Clinton last November?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

how many americans believe we have a "secular constitution"??

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

"When in the course of human events it becomes necessary to say 'FUCK YOU GOD'..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

ned thats the declaration of independence

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

also it doesnt really say 'fuck you god' in there

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

http://www.crankycritic.com/qa/pf_articles/images/niccage.jpg
"its a code!"

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

ned thats the declaration of independence

It starts off better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Did we elect Hillary Clinton last November?

Dudes, that's like the conservative version of Goodwin's Law.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

"Hugh Hewitt: do you like Hillary?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

if you asked a sullivan type small-c conservative why hillary clinton would be a worse president than bush, what would they say? or bill, for that matter, who i know sullivan hated

xpost ned haha

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

hitlery clinton

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Man, the ultimate in flamewar biological weapons. Gene therapy gone astoundingly right/wrong.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

It would have his mustache and her hair.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

i'm surprised there hasn't been some shitty/farky rightwing "If They Mated" photoshop emailed around yet

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

I have a feeling that now there will be.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

it's not possible Reid is this good, is it?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Such a Kos thing to say, that link. Pie-in-sky.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Impeachment is probably the best possible thing that could happen to Bush right now.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

I want Kos's drugs.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

The Plame indictment thing could come to nothing, the Saturday Iraq elections could come off vaguely well, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

again, please to remember that "kos" is not the author of this or most things posted at dailykos. but yes, you're almost certainly right. though Reid has seemed to be thinking two steps ahead before.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

why does dailykos always pull this 'worst president ever' shit? james buchanan would like a word with yall

_, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I think Best President Ever is the way to go

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Best 43rd President Ever

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

I think this Reid theory would play a lot better if I wasn't hearing the voice of Comic Book Guy in my head as I read it.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Some quick folderol:

Concerned Women for America have questions!

Finemen predicts the conservative crack-up! (Again?)

Lawrence Littman should testify! (Apparently.)

Balloon Juice has thoughts and more thoughts!

And Bainbridge has a poll. Rah, I guess.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

And Hewitt gets testy with people. Again!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Pat Robertson, out to make friends once again:

He named James Dobson, the Rev. Jerry Falwell, Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention, Jay Sekulow of the Robertson-founded American Center for Law and Justice, and himself as proof of support for Miers’ nomination from the Right.

Robertson concluded by noting: “These so-called movement conservatives don’t have much of a following, the ones that I’m aware of. And you just marvel, these are the senators, some of them who voted to confirm the general counsel of the ACLU to the Supreme Court, and she was voted in almost unanimously. And you say, ‘now they’re going to turn against a Christian who is a conservative picked by a conservative President and they’re going to vote against her for confirmation.’ Not on your sweet life, if they want to stay in office.”

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

how can we trust Bush after he flip-flopped

GASP! OMG!

http://www.iowapresidentialwatch.com/images/HowTo.JPG

BUSH = "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUWWWWW!"?

http://hauntedweb.com/v-web/gallery/albums/Frank/100_2781.jpg

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

And you just marvel, these are the senators, some of them who voted to confirm the general counsel of the ACLU to the Supreme Court, and she was voted in almost unanimously.

lest we just forget who exactly suggested Ginsburg to Bubba 12 years ago...

At some point, you ever wonder if the ACLU will stop defending those who actively work for their destruction?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt interviews Hecht -- key part:

I asked Justice Hecht if there is any chance of Harriet Miers withdrawing her nomination. "None," replied the justice with absolute certainty. He repeated the point. He has talked at length with her since the nomination, and she's not for turning.


So the question is, "What is the advantage of carrying on the attack from the right?" Answer: None.

This while in contrast Frum has coordinated a petition against, while ConfirmThem goes out on the anti-Card warpath (and then again) and a Sullivan reader points out a little irony.

The more entrenched this gets the more entertaining -- for the moment, I will emphasize -- this will be.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, here's an interesting little theory:

Bush doesn’t care about abortion, and neither do the bibliocons. They understand that even if the Supreme Court was to strike down Roe, the states would legalize it anyway, and they’d lose their moral authority. It’s one thing to say that five men in black robes are imposing their personal views on you, and quite another to be faced with the certain knowledge that the people hold values that define you as outside the mainstream. So it’s best if Roe stays intact and the conservative movement has the issue to complain about.

The real problem that bibliocons have with the court showed up earlier this year in the great shouting match over the corpse of Terri Schiavo. All along the bibliocons and paleocons had been telling us they were fed-up with activist judges getting involved in state and local issues where they didn’t belong, but suddenly they were all over the courts for refusing to be activist with respect to the family and the State of Florida. So it became clear that the right wants the mirror image of what the left wants, an activist bench that is willing to impose its personal values and beliefs on the rest of us.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

ad on Sullivan's page right now:

http://images.blogads.com/boetvmbpmdpn/andrewsullivanblogads/3264058/thumb?rev=rev_3

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

Ned, I agree that the conservative movement would lose a lot of momentum if Roe v Wade were overturned but that quote seems a little contradictory. If the bibliocons don't really care about abortion then what is the real issue they want activist judges to act on? I think it's more likely that the bibliocons are true believers but are being used by people whose real interest is in a judiciary that will always rule in favor of big business.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

Here we move into the weird world of constituencies and how they break down...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

I think bibliocons is the wrong word; sounds like "conservatives who read books." Evangelocons? Apocalypticons? Or maybe just Godcons, so we can make jokes about "all God cons".

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

A bibliocon is where you think you've bought a priceless first edition only to discover that someone has pieced it together out of a few good copies.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Your friend and mine Bob Barr has some things to say to the President.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

Ms. Coulter, once again.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

And an interesting little bit at RedState:

Just Asking . . . [Erick]
Which very public supporter of Harriet Miers is contemplating a very public break off of that support?
Posted at 10/12/2005 10:34:43 PM EST

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

ooo! ooo! can we guess?! we can guess, right?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

I predict Miers is going to transmogrify, in a cheesy sci-fi stylee, into Arnold Schwarzenegger, and we're all going to be dazzled and amazed, and he/she/it will be nominated.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 13 October 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/5562/sball/sball10.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 13 October 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)

*So Long, Virgin Alarm!*

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mobtech.it/wp-content/rosie.jpg

"Accessing Roe vs. Wade.... loading...."

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 13 October 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

Noonan tries to suggest a helpful path for Ye Olde White House.

But more to the point, Fund has up what is so far the most detailed take on the process leading to the nomination. A must-read.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

Harriet Miers's nomination resulted from a failed vetting process.

okay, already, something about this suggests JUUSSST a bit of wishful thinking

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I dunno -- if you read the whole take, I'm *perfectly* willing to believe it more or less happened that way.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

(That said, it's obviously an incomplete story, and one designed to excuse at least some people in WhiteHouseLand.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, after first noting an exchange between Miller and Beldar re: hypocrisy and evangelicals, Hewitt takes Fineman to task:

To vote against Miers because the Bos-Wash Axis of Elitism is against her is not the way to gain Evangelical favor. The opposite, in fact.

I'm loving Hewitt's ridiculous terminology -- it doesn't even make a catchy acronym. (Not that his favored GWOT does either.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 04:58 (twenty years ago)

the Liberty Legal Institute,

hahahaha. man, nothing says "rightwing thinktank" like THAT as a title.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

How could this have happened? In his Harvard Business School courses, Mr. Bush was taught the importance of fully vetting job candidates.

BERNARD KERIK

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

It seems the rabid right could forgive Bush's huge incompetance over Iraq seventy times seven times, because dammit, we're there in force and we mean to stay, so why quibble over the policy nuances anyway? Didn't he capture Saddam? Chill out.

When his incompetance (in the form of Brown at FEMA) screwed several million Southerners, who are now the bastion of the party, they got queasy over all those floating dead bodies, but, hey Louisiana was mostly Democratic anyway, right?

But now that he's incompetantly messed up his chance to make a lifetime appointment to the SCOTUS, the blood is in the streets.

This screw up has Bush's fingerprints all over it. They can't blame Rove. This is their own lad's doing. I just can't help but wonder who they thought they elected. Bush hasn't changed an iota from the fool they voted for.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)

A lot of people in the blog comments I've noticed are saying similar -- "Would it have mattered if Kerry had won?" What's interesting is that only about half or so of those commenters then 'come to their senses,' and even then it's more of a 'my GOD we've got to get it right next election!' reflex. Yeah, good luck, buddy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

Jim Martin, the man she was engaged to for a year after law school

http://www.billandted.org/pics/actors/jimmartin.jpg

STATION!

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:18 (twenty years ago)

Fucking hell, if it was THAT Jim Martin, then I'd immediately become Miers' greatest supporter.

We shouldn't stop there, though. Mike Patton for president! Imagine the State of the Union address being delivered in ranted Chinese Italian over Buzzo solos.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

Apparently Brooks has something up (subscribe only, thanks guys) at the NY Times featuring a selection of Miers' writings. (It might be the same stuff being featured elsewhere I've quoted/linked above, not sure.) In NROville, Kurtz gives his take:

I was perfectly willing to assume that, given her achievements, Miers was a bright and competent woman. Having read the excerpts from her writings in David Brooks' column today, however, I'm surprised and appalled. No, I don't think you have to be a great academic theorist to be a fine supreme court justice. But it never occurred to me that Miers could be so pathetically bad at presenting her thoughts. I still don't doubt that Miers has real-world smarts, yet she truly seems to lack the minimum ability to express herself in the way that a Supreme Court Justice must. My overwhelming concern is still with Miers' views, and not with her competence. (I suppose her clerks can cover up her deficiencies.) But after reading her writings as presented by Brooks, I am shocked and embarrassed.

Anyone an actual subscriber so we can see this, or has this been copy/pasted somewhere else yet?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Piece over at the NY Sun wherein the anti-affirmative action types are getting roiled that apparently such a process fed into the Miers choice. Twist and turn...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

here's the brooks piece--

http://sillyshit.blogspot.com/2005/10/in-her-own-words-new-york-times-mr.html

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Ah, thanks! :-)

Hewitt, meanwhile, at the end of a 'boy it's great about Iraq' piece includes a bit more of trying to spook out people about a Miers withdrawal vs. a confirmation -- but interestingly, he leaves aside a question of a Miers rejection. There are good reasons to assume this, but increasingly I'm wondering if it might not happen anyway.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

'An organization must also implement programs to fulfill strategies established through its goals and mission. Methods for evaluation of these strategies are a necessity. With the framework of mission, goals, strategies, programs, and methods for evaluation in place, a meaningful budgeting process can begin.'

DOGBERT FOR SCOTUS

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, what waffle! Not even the various on-site 'maximize your goals' things I've ended up at were so laden with bleah.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, life out in the trenches, or at least looking towards New Hampshire '08:

The White House political arm is taking a special interest in U.S. senators who are potential 2008 Presidential candidates, especially when they come to New Hampshire. The goal is to put them on the record on the Harriet Miers nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court, which is under fire from the right and left.

Bush administration political director Sarah Taylor has been making calls into the state to advise local activists working on behalf of the nomination with the Washington-based Progress for America organization.

"They are obviously well aware of our special role in the political process," said political strategist Jack Heath.

As part of the coordinated effort, activists Tuesday night approached Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., at St. Anselm College with a letter saying that Miers is qualified, deserves "fair treatment" and a filibuster-free up-or-down confirmation vote.

It was signed by Republican National Committeeman Tom Rath, Cornerstone Policy Research head Karen Testerman, Ed Naile, chairman of the Coalition of New Hampshire Taxpayers, and GOP activist Susan Duprey, president of the Devine Millimet law firm.

Starting Saturday, when Republican Virginia Sen. George Allen visits the state, the group will not only give Presidential candidates the letter, but also ask them to sign a pledge to support fair treatment of the Miers nomination.

Heath says Democratic senators will also be approached. That would include Delaware's Joe Biden, who may campaign for Manchester Mayor Robert Baines before the end of the month.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

Republicans, who these days are as likely to be members of the corporate establishment as the evangelical establishment, are more suspicious of intellectuals and ideas, and more likely to believe that politics is about deal-making, loyalty and power.

"these days"?

(i know, picking on Brooks = fish in a barrel, but still)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

One thing I love about all these pieces I link is how many axioms are taken as fact. Mind you, it's not like the left is low on that score either.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

For the first years of his presidency, George Bush healed the division between Republicans and conservatives by pursuing big conservative goals with ruthless Republican discipline.

This sentence is all the evidence I need that the Miers nomination has brought about Brooks' complete and utter intellectual collapse (not that it wouldn't have been blown over in a modest autumn breeze anyway). Which big conservative goals were the ones that Bush so effectively pursued again? Was it those farm subsidies? Or maybe the steel tariffs? Was it the massive expansion of entitlement programs? Was it his enormously successful implementation of "faith based" social programs?

xpost

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Actually Ponnuru just said something revealing:

It really does not offend me that race or gender would be a factor in Bush's thinking. They can be qualifications for the job of a nominee--part of the job description being to get confirmed. The Miers supporters who say that the president is under no obligation to pick the most qualified possible justice may be defensive, but they're not wrong. We didn't complain when Bush I picked Clarence Thomas, and we didn't pretend his race was irrelevant to his nomination, either.

Personally I'd like to see this line of thought get bandied about more over there and elsewhere -- bring on the cognitive dissonance!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

Ponnuru is almost as incoherent as Brooks.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, in an attempt to mend fences with the NROworld, Hewitt posts this to kindly describe them as simply 'wrong' whereas the left are 'rotten.' But of course. He's also trying -- rather disengenuously -- to address the problem of Miers's being sold as an evangelical candidate by saying that because a number of liberal folks are complaining that therefore the argument is specious. Problem is, a lot of people were worried over at confirmthem et al precisely *because* they saw that approach from the White House as provoking that response legitimately. It's a neat attempt at a pirouette on Hewitt's part, but he's rather overbalanced these days.

Now to top it ALL off -- Drudge has a little something...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

The ConfirmThem types are already going wild over this. The organization in question she belonged to is detailed here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

"a meaningful budgeting process can begin.'

No phrase has made me hum with greater pleasure.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

I could actually hear conservative heads exploding while I was reading that drudge link, pop-pop-pop like bubble wrap.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

But Bush's Supreme Court nominee did not include in that category the NAACP and other liberal groups, the transcript reveals!

I love the exclamation point! this dude really does worship Winchell, doesn't he?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

McClellan fielding questions on this Drudge thing right now ...

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Oh goodie.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, who to believe -- the White House or Dobson?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Garnett is skeptical about the Fund piece.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Elsewhere, the Christian Science Monitor thinks about the recusal issue.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Scotty McClellan's press thing yesterday (includes link to transcript)

Q Wait, wait, wait. What relevance does how a person prays have to the judicial philosophy?

MR. McCLELLAN: Didn't say that it did.

Q So why are you peddling it?

MR. McCLELLAN: It's part of her background, Terry; it's part of who she is.

Q But you just said it was not relevant to judicial philosophy.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Terry Moran's growing big hairy ones at last.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

A RedState piece that counsels (for conservatives) patience in the face of "more [that] came out that makes me want to bang my head on my desk."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

MR. McCLELLAN: See, David, there's some that have -- no, there's some that have a litmus test for the Supreme Court. The President does not. The President does not ask candidates their views on issues that may be controversial, like abortion.

well he doesn't really HAVE to, now, does he? he doesn't really need to actually ask the question word for word, b/c he "knows what's in her heart" and that she goes to this conservative church.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Kind of like what was in Justice Kennedy's heart and his devotion to the Catholic church. Always good to guess trust a person's "heart" rather than their Constitutional ideology philosophy.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Man, Bush sucks.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

I mean, after you know what's in someone's heart, can you feel their pain, too?

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Also keeping in mind that the short list of people whose hearts Bush has publicly endorsed includes Vlad Putin.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.trumpetspot.com/img67/op_1_dm_10278_vm_10167/1040210_f_m_1.jpg

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 13 October 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Meirs public scatology must be examined in the confirmation hearings.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Vlad the Impaler, too, I heard.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Miers has a Vlad the Impaler? Cool.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Wouldn't that be assume! Miers just gets up and upper tanks the podium at the hearings.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

awesome even!

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Nothing says "I'm Thinking of You" like some apparently letter-shaped doodles on a piece of government stationery.

xpost

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

I have to admit that there is a corner of my heart that fully endorses a Supreme Court justice who uses confirmation hearings to literally shit on everything.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

This man shat on confirmation hearings:

http://www.thousandrobots.com/blog/files/palpatine_02.jpg

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Literally?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

The man was bursting with midichlorians.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

"And now, Lord Vader, unleash your public scatology."

*Senate chamber fills with Force-created turds*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Ew. A senate chamber full of Jake Lloyds.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

But does Miers exude testicular bravery?

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

There ya go, Bush should nominate Sage Fucking Fran Fuckface Cis and not merely the GOP will be destroyed, but life itself.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

"PS: No more public activation of testicular bravery."

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

"In private, however..."

*a certain Coil album starts playing*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

And the girl at that mosh pit will be the one to kill them all.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

And in the darkness...well, anyway.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

I should also point out that if, during the confirmation hearings, Miers unzips her face and Sage Francis pops out, I will be forced to endorse.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Especially if Sage and Jim Martin then immediately get it on while aborting a baby in the name of L. R0n Hubb4rd.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

At NRO, a new verb a la Borking, to 'Mier':

to put your own allies in the most untenable position possible based upon exceptionally bad decsion making.

While steadlily going in reverse in the driveway of your own home, intentionally abruptly pressing gas pedal as to crash into garage door for no apparent reason.

And my favorite:

Getting used to everyone hating you except your core supporters and thinking what the hell, it'd be cool to see what it's like to have everyone hate you at same time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.gawker.com/news/drudgemiers.jpg

That crazy Drudge...

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Pulling the pud to a picture of W just wasn't doing it anymore for the red states.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt: "I spoke to Karl Rove an hour ago..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

the first few months after i started reading the corner i always would imagine them as looking like
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00004WN2L.02.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

_, Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Left to right -- Derbyshire, Stuttaford, Ponnuru, Lopez, Lowry, Adler, Nordlinger. In front: Goldberg.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Pick a date for Miers to "withdraw"? How about this Saturday?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Oh I hope not. I hope this thing gets to the hearings and then all hell really breaks loose. And I bet it will.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

I do, too. I really want her to get in front of that panel, with all the accompanying op-ed screeds, Daily Show jokes, SNL sketches, etc.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

No one in the administration has been subject to this level of utter humiliation and debasement for at least...well, 4 weeks for Brownie*. How can she NOT withdraw ASAP?

*Not including Scottie, for whom it is daily.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

How? Double check that Hewitt link I just posted -- you have Rove openly saying all is good. It ain't happening yet and I doubt it will. (Remember that a lot of the wingnut debate is predicated on Rove and Card hating each other -- what if it turns out they were on the same side?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

from today:

WHouse dismisses critics wanting Miers to withdraw

...Spokesman Scott McClellan signaled full steam ahead with the Miers nomination, saying the White House lawyer had begun filling out a questionnaire required by the Senate Judiciary Committee, which will consider her nomination, and hoped to turn it in early next week.

[...]

"I have tried to avoid memberships in organizations that were politically charged with one viewpoint or another," Miers said, according to a copy of the testimony put on the Drudge Report Web site.

McClellan, asked about the report, said Miers has been supportive of the Federalist Society, including participating in events and giving a speech to the society last spring.

"I know she's proud that a number of her attorneys on her own staff are members of the Federalist Society. And she, like the rest of the White House, knows that the Federalist Society has been a great ally on many important issues, particularly when it comes to the federal judiciary," he said.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

I didn't know you had to fill out a questionnaire to be on the Supreme Court. That is some rigorous shit.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

(i wonder if it includes a personal essay? "i would like to be on the supreme court because...")

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone besides James Wolcott called her W's Jane Hathaway?

http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/10/me_dubya_you_ja.php

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

"i would like to be on the supreme court because...")

i hope it's on scantron

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

I think it's more like this:

http://www.medical-library.org/journals/mddx/Rorshach/sld002.gif

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Dumbass Darko

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Or more to the point:

http://theoblogical.org/movtyp/images/wtfwjd.jpg

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Rove via Hewitt:
...Miers' participation in this process for three years presents opponents of her nomination with more than just a question of how the president's nominees reflect on Miers' --and the committee's judgment. More importantly, her participation in the process described discredits any idea that her core philosophy is unknown to the president or other senior aides. It defies common sense to imagine three years of such meetings leaving other senior staff and the president in the dark about her commitment to originalism...

It also defies common sense to think that there won't be an occasion in the next three years where Miers' position will force her recusal.

You'd have to be an idiot not to assume that Miers won't march in lockstep with whatever Scalia tells her to do. But Rove et al don't seem to grasp the fact that when Bush more or less promised another Scalia, not some toadie who's experience with Constitutional law appears to be minimal.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

maybe that's what they mean when they said they were expecting a justice in the way of clarence thomas...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

AAaaaaaand today's press corps fight

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

MR. McCLELLAN: No, that's not -- I'm simply saying that the focus should be on the record and the qualifications. And, you know, the media -- I know sometimes you all don't like criticism, but I think the American people want the focus to be on records and qualification and philosophy. And that's all I'm pointing out. And I'm urging you all to look at the record. And I'm encouraging you to go and look at her record and her experience and compare it to previous Supreme Court Justices that were confirmed -- because there is a standard that has been set here. Some want to create a different standard. That's not you all. I'm saying it's some out there that are making some of the comments.

Somewhere right now Ari Fleischer is laughing his ass off and sipping champagne.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

until he gets indicted, at least

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 13 October 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Another morning, another slew of articles, but I'm a bit beat and I'm off to another all-day class shortly, so just scrounge around all the usual spots I've been linking to as the day goes on. Check out Scully at the Times, Goldberg's rebuttal, Hewitt of course, etc. for more infighting and japery, and more will be along. Frum will probably have a few things to say later today.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101202459_pf.html

In 2001, Bush's first year in office, Miers rejected the text of the White House Christmas card and ordered a new version because, the White House said, she did not think it was written well enough.

heres that card: http://www.holidays.net/christmas/card2001.htm

_, Friday, 14 October 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

silvery!

Rude Pundit has a bit about that birthday card to each other.

Yes, the letters between Bush and Miers reveal quite the friendly relationship between them, with Miers' affections for Bush resting somewhere between cock worship and train porter behavior. One might say it's all just chummy. The rest of us would say it's creepy. Example: For the sake of argument, say that you're a grown woman, a professional, in your fifties, and you are friends with the governor of the state, as well as his occasional lawyer and a political appointee. Let's say that you're late getting a birthday card to the governor.

Chances are you would not send a Hallmark card with a sad puppy and "I'm Sorry I Missed Your Birthday" on the cover, with the pre-printed verse message, "This is the wish/That should have been sent/Before your Birthday/Came and went." Chances are you would not add a note that said, "You are the best Governor ever - deserving of great respect!" Chances are you wouldn't handwrite in "Sorry" next to the pre-printed message. Chances are you wouldn't write at the bottom, "At least for thirty days - you are not younger than me." You might do these things if you were writing to a child, a well-loved niece or nephew whose birthday slipped your mind while you were too busy with, say, your fuckin' job. But if you were that fiftysomething professional with your fiftysomething professional governor-friend, wouldn't you wanna act like an adult? 'Cause, really, and, c'mon, a fuckin' puppy dog card?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, quietish weekend beyond entrenching of sides and an argument over whether Miers really vetted those judicial nominees or not. (Personally I'd guess not.)

Now there's this, which is kinda amusing no matter how you look at it:

Court nominee was slow to respond to several liens placed on properties she controls in Dallas, records show had to reimburse Texas city for failing to clear weeds, debris from vacant lots

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

the criticism of that birthday card is fucking insane. wtf is wrong with it??

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 October 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

I heard Miers belched one time during a government dinner. This is pretty much an atrocity to me, and she should be disqualified.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Monday, 17 October 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

i heard she once used a funny voice at a wedding! total "train porter behavior"!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 October 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

I heard that Hitler liked sad-faced puppy dog cards.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 October 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Oh, come on - Hitler was totally a Geddes guy.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 October 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/onion_imagearticle588.jpg

_, Monday, 17 October 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Major story by Fund today which is not surprising but hardly reassuring. Some key bits:

The call was moderated by the Rev. Donald Wildmon of the American Family Association. Participating were 13 members of the executive committee of the Arlington Group, an umbrella alliance of 60 religious conservative groups, including Gary Bauer of American Values, Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation and the Rev. Bill Owens, a black minister. Also on the call were Justice Nathan Hecht of the Texas Supreme Court and Judge Ed Kinkeade, a Dallas-based federal trial judge.

Mr. Dobson says he spoke with Mr. Rove on Sunday, Oct. 2, the day before President Bush publicly announced the nomination. Mr. Rove assured Mr. Dobson that Ms. Miers was an evangelical Christian and a strict constructionist, and said that Justice Hecht, a longtime friend of Ms. Miers who had helped her join an evangelical church in 1979, could provide background on her. Later that day, a personal friend of Mr. Dobson's in Texas called him and suggested he speak with Judge Kinkeade, who has been a friend of Ms. Miers's for decades.

Mr. Dobson says he was surprised the next day to learn that Justice Hecht and Judge Kinkeade were joining the Arlington Group call. He was asked to introduce the two of them, which he considered awkward given that he had never spoken with Justice Hecht and only once to Judge Kinkeade. According to the notes of the call, Mr. Dobson introduced them by saying, "Karl Rove suggested that we talk with these gentlemen because they can confirm specific reasons why Harriet Miers might be a better candidate than some of us think."

What followed, according to the notes, was a free-wheeling discussion about many topics, including same-sex marriage. Justice Hecht said he had never discussed that issue with Ms. Miers. Then an unidentified voice asked the two men, "Based on your personal knowledge of her, if she had the opportunity, do you believe she would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade?"

"Absolutely," said Judge Kinkeade.

"I agree with that," said Justice Hecht. "I concur."

Over at NRO, Franck notes this:

To have any White House fingerprints on a confidential exchange that resulted in any kind of assurances — however speculatively offered — about a nominee's future vote on the fate of a specific Supreme Court, is a matter that will justly attract the attention of senators. All senators, anti-Roe as well as pro-Roe, should be concerned about such backroom maneuvering in what amount to the precincts of the executive branch. It is a maxim of the separation of powers that each branch of government jealously guards its prerogatives, and reacts almost instinctively to the merest whiff of encroachment on them. If there is actual knowledge in the executive branch about Harriet Miers's views on Roe v. Wade, then the Senate is equally entitled to that knowledge, in order to do its work of advice and consent properly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Gary Bauer of American Values

oh fuck me, he's still around?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Interestingly, Bauer's still opposed to Miers *after* this phone call.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt tries to explain that elitism thing (responding to Goldberg, who follows up here with a sigh of frustration you can almost hear), Bainbridge responds to Juan Non-Volokh on questions of expertise, Beldar thinks about the Fund story a bit, and the thread 'Harriet Miers and Religion' has rather unsurprisingly excited much ConfirmThem comment...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

the thing about Bainbridge (and many others) is that having things like "a fully formed theory of constitutional interpretation" becomes fairly specious given the environment of the confirmation process. You're much better off coming out of the closet with your divine proclamations after you've secured your lifetime appointment.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Which is why the hearings will be so potentially entertaining if all she does is stonewall or explain away. (I admit I don't entirely get Bainbridge's philosophy beyond knowing it's a hell of a lot different than mine, but I'll take his crustiness over Hewitt's eternally beaming blandishments.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Frum today on Fund's report:

Can we pause to absorb the full magnitude of this catastrophic misjudgment?

1) Conservatives have argued for years that it is utterly improper for senators to probe nominees' personal views on religion and abortion. With this stunt, the White House has not only invited but legitimated a line of questioning that conservatives have opposed for almost two decades.

2) If Fund is right, the White House was acting in such a way as to persuade a group of religious leaders that they were being given more information on a nomination than would be given to the US Senate. Congress - and yes Republicans in Congress - already feel that the White House treats them with contempt. Now congressional-executive relations have been damaged even further, with potentially lethal consequences for everything that remains of the president's legislative agenda.

3) The stunt also threatens Republican relations with religious conservatives. The assurances offered to the Arlington Group were almost certainly empty. Newsweek is reporting that the White House has also recruited New Hampshire politico Tom Rath to threaten to oppose the presidential bids of any senator who opposes Harriet Miers. But Rath is as responsible as anyone for putting David Souter on the court. What on earth did they say to him? And if those assurances were contradictory, why should anybody believe either?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

frum is a sour old bastard isnt he

_, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

He's en route. I kinda hope it results in him waking up and wondering what he's done with his life in general.

Our beloved President, the great communicator, making his case today with a bunch of Texas judges:

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
AFTER MEETING WITH FORMER TEXAS
SUPREME COURT JUSTICES

The Oval Office

11:27 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: I want to welcome some of my fellow Texans here in the Oval Office. We've got Republicans and Democrats, people who have been on the court, attorney generals. They're here to send a message here in Washington that the person I picked to take Sandra Day O'Connor's place is not only a person of high character and of integrity, but a person who can get the job done.

Harriet Miers is a uniquely qualified person to serve on the bench. She is smart, she is capable, she is a pioneer. She's been consistently ranked as one of the top 50 women lawyers in the United States. She has been a leader in the legal profession. She's impressed these folks. They know her well. They know that she'll bring excellence to the bench.

So I want to thank you all for coming. Thank you for being part of a group of people who understand that Harriet Miers will be a superb Supreme Court judge.

Welcome. I'm glad you're here.

JUDGE HILL: Thank you. Mr. President, we just all want to thank you for this nomination. We're excited about it, and we're here to try to let the people of America know what we all know, that she is an absolutely fantastic person and a great lawyer, and will make a great judge.

THE PRESIDENT: Well, thank you, sir. Appreciate you coming. Thank you all.

END 11:29 A.M. EDT

Sure told ME a lot!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

i am beginning to think that george w bush is not a smart man

_, Monday, 17 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

hey, has Dobson et al. been formally subpoena'd yet?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

I am beginning to think George Bush is a Teddy Ruxpin, doomed to endlessly repeat the same story until Cheney removes the cassette from his lower back and replaces it with a new talking point.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Anybody heard if Harry Reid's said anything new lately, aside from last week's "We look forward to talking to her" bits?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

top...fifty....women...lawyerrrrssssssss....

_, Monday, 17 October 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Anybody heard if Harry Reid's said anything new lately, aside from last week's "We look forward to talking to her bits"?

The Ghost of Maybe I Need Glasses (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

how rude!

_, Monday, 17 October 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Billmon, like my Mom, asks where Roman Hruska is when we really need him.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Hur hur hur:

From today's White House briefing:

Q John Fund writes an article today saying that several people on a conference call assured religious conservatives that Harriet Miers would overturn Roe versus Wade. You were going to find out if any member of the White House staff was on that conference call.


MR. McCLELLAN: That was not a call organized by the White House, and as far as I've been able to learn, no one at the White House was involved on that call.


Q And is it correct that Karl Rove was the person who asked those two people who made the assurances that she would overturn Roe versus Wade -- that Karl Rove asked them to join?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think it's well-known that Karl and Dr. Dobson spoke about the nomination and about the process. And they had a good discussion. And Karl talked about individuals who know Harriet Miers well, like Justice Hecht, and said that they would be people that probably would be willing to talk about her.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20051017/i/r2340933895.jpg?x=380&y=278&sig=6rP3xLECT.kNp2fFYuFgSA--

Your first question, Mr. Perry?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

EW

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

"WHERE THE TITTIES AT?"

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

I hear that being chanted in Basement Jaxx style and now I am perturbed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

I am so mad that I didn't think of doing that first.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Now Santorum is making noises

"It is what I term the president's second faith-based initiative, which is `trust me,'" Santorum said, mimicking a line used previously by conservative pundit Pat Buchanan on NBC's Meet the Press. "I think, candidly, we deserve better than that."

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Now Santorum is making noises

If Dan Savage deserves a lifetime achievement award of any kind, it's his "redefinition of Santorum" campaign, which has twisted the context of this phrase to hysterics.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

get your shots in while you can, rick

_, Monday, 17 October 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

Apparently Frum and Medved are having at each other right now here. I admit I am glad I have other things to do.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Who knew John Yoo would start making some partial sense? It's all about proving she's a real conservative etc. of course, but this point is well taken:

For decades, conservative thinkers have criticized justices for deciding cases based on their personal desires, feelings or views on policy. Now conservatives are asked to support a nominee on the grounds that these attributes assure that Miers will "vote right." This accepts the dispiriting notion that the court is just one more political institution.

Elsewhere NRO reports:

Miers has submitted her response to the Senate questionnaire. An attachment to her response will show that, when running for Dallas city council, she expressed her support for a Human Life Amendment and for a general ban on abortion in the event that Roe v. Wade were overturned.

Not surprising at all but still, an attachment? Slightly curious, not to mention contradictory of what Frum notes was reported by Schumer. Frum also boils down the weird kerfluffle from last night between Miers and Specter over Griswold.

Hewitt's allegedly on vacation this week, leaving Bainbridge to take the lead in that debate, noting an exchange on Hewitt's guest-hosted show involving Fund last night talking more about the Texas Lottery Commission deal. And so forth...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

And here's her questionnaire for the Judiciary Committee.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Confirmation hearings set to begin on Nov. 7. Still plenty of time for a lot of, shall we say, amusing things to happen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

And Lopez notes a rather curious letter that's apparently circulating.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Fuck, that soon? I thought we'd have all November for the Pre-Game Show...

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt gets further annoyed with Bork. Fun fun!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/10/19/cartoon-inside.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

I'm kinda fascinated by Generic Couple there reading that. The one on the right appears to be wearing lipstick.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Miers and Specter, appreciating fine art:

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/10/19/PH2005101901187.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

News photographers are so short these days.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Ugliest Assistant Picasso Had.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Interesting perspective. They're leans a bit to the right, looks like.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

leanING.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I know that poor Arlen has been sick and all, but the similiarities are undeniable.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/supreme_court/roberts/images/arlen-specter_sub.jpg http://aphorismen-archiv.de/images/picasso.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

And among a lot of stuffage today from various corners, Ann is back!

Things are so bad, the best option for Karl Rove now would be to get himself indicted. Then at least he'd have a colorable claim to having no involvement in the Miers nomination.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Linda Chavez:

The president is a smart man, but he's in deep trouble. And no one in the White House seems willing to tell him why, which is where an official fool -- or White House jester, if you prefer -- would come in handy. In the Middle Ages, the court fool was often the only person who could point out the king's foibles and live to tell about it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Never heard of "colorable" used this way before, but it's interesting to note the word's two rather distinct defintions.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Bainbridge considers the 'details' claims. Frum meanwhile has some more grousing -- amusingly a different draft was posted shortly before it, it seems, which ends with this:

Attached to the email is a draft of the suggested letter. The last line reads as follows:

"Sincerely,

"(the strongest bunch of female legal scholars, law school deans, bar association chairs, and elected officials you can tap—I’d be glad to assist)."

Which raises this fascinating question: Is Harriet Miers qualified to sign her own endorsement letter?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Barnes cries, Levin rolls eyes, Novak mumbles, NY Times has its thoughts, Lopez marvels at agreeing with it, Noonan makes general 'there there George you can do better for yourself' noises and tells this story in the process:

Once someone normally allied with the White House said some things that were highly critical of Mr. Bush, and the president quickly and publicly learned of them. Around this time an old friend of the president came to visit, and the president, still simmering, asked the friend what he thought of the criticism. The friend told Mr. Bush he thought the critic made some legitimate points.

Silence descended and Mr. Bush's face turned stony.

"Six months on the sh-- list?" said the friend.

"Three," said the president.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

(And Malkin titles her bit just like the NY Times one and even agrees with it. END TIMES etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

So SPECTER called HM's written responses "insufficient"? How is this nom still alive?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Specter and Leahy both -- the NYT bit put it best:

Ms. Miers had an opportunity to win over the skeptics this week with her answers to the Senate Judiciary Committee's questionnaire. But her responses were so unimpressive that the top Republican and Democrat on that committee took the extraordinary step yesterday of instructing her to give it another try, this time with more "particularity and precision." She thus became perhaps the most important judicial nominee in history to be offered what amounts to a do-over on a take-home quiz.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

THIS ISN'T TOO TERRIFYING. HOLY SHIT.


>In six weeks - November 30 - the Supreme Court will hear the
>first case related to women's reproductive health in five years.
>
>
>Cases like this rarely make front-page news, so here are the two
>most important things you need to know about Ayotte v. Planned
>Parenthood of Northern New England:
>
>:: It could eliminate the constitutional requirement that any
>laws restricting abortion care must include an exception to
>protect women's health.
>
>:: It could drastically reduce, if not eliminate, the ability
>for pro-choice advocates to challenge anti-choice laws in court.
>
>
>It would be an understatement to say that a lot rides on this
>case. Ayotte could affect virtually every abortion-related case
>and law in the country.
>
>That it's so broad and dangerous is exactly what anti-choice
>lawmakers in the New Hampshire legislature intended. Fran
>Wendelboe, the state representative who sponsored the bill,
>candidly told the Associated Press:
>http://prochoiceaction.org/ct/rdzI-Zs12zot/ "We didn't
>mistakenly forget to put in a health exception. We purposely
>crafted the bill without an exception." And as you probably
>already guessed - the Bush administration has weighed into this
>case on the anti-choice side.
>
>What's even worse about Ayotte is the timing. Justice Sandra Day
>O'Connor frequently cast the deciding vote in cases that
>protected privacy and choice. Her replacement may cast the
>deciding vote this time. Even if O'Connor is still sitting on
>the Supreme Court when the case begins on November 30, it's
>unlikely she will get to vote on the case. If her replacement is
>confirmed before the case is decided, then either the Supreme
>Court will rehear the case with the new justice or let the lower
>court's decision stand. That's why the Bush administration is
>working so hard to see nominee Harriet Miers confirmed before
>the case begins. Jay Sekulow of the anti-choice American Center
>for Law and Justice and a Miers supporter has said that, "I
>don't think there's ever been [a turning point] this significant
>in Supreme Court history. For both sides, it's winner-take-all,
>loser-take-nothing." [The National Journal, October 15]
>
>Like most Supreme Court cases, Ayotte is complex. We hope you
>take a moment to learn more about the case - visit our website
>for a summary of the bill and the key issues:
>http://prochoiceaction.org/ct/r7zI-Zs12zog/.
>
>And if you haven't already, please contact your senators and
>urge them to carefully review Miers' record and question her
>about her judicial philosophy
>(http://prochoiceaction.org/campaign/sen_miers_scotus_100305/ug7578ro5m8en7?).
>
>We'll continue to keep you informed about Harriet Miers'
>nomination and the issues surrounding the Supreme Court.
>--------------------------------------------------
>

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

It's hard for me to tell because it happened in my state, but has this story gotten much nationwide coverage? It doesn't really deal with roe but it still has to do with abortion, and I think it's the first abortion-related case that's gone before a roberts court.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm reminded of a bit Bill Maher said on his show several weeks back(when George Carlin was on the panel), talking about how Roe v Wade was "pretty much gone." His comment was along the lines of, "And you know what? Good. GOOD. THIS is what happens when only 52* percent of people decide to vote."


(*or 55%, whichever)

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

If York's sources are on the level, hoo boy.

"The meetings with the senators are going terribly. On a scale of one to 100, they are in negative territory. The thought now is that they have to end....Obviously the smart thing to do would be to withdraw the nomination and have a do-over as soon as possible. But the White House is so irrational that who knows? As of this morning, there is a sort of pig-headed resolve to press forward, cancel the meetings with senators if necessary, and bone up for the hearings."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

oh man, bring on the hearings. i do hope the daily show folks don't take another week-long break during them.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Jeez, Harriet Miers is the gift that keeps on giving. Her questionnaire being rejected is the funniest thing that's happened all week. I for one am deeply grateful to the president for all the roffles.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Amusement:

SHOT . . .

"The questionnaire that she filled out is an important questionnaire, and obviously they will address the questions that the senators have in the questionnaire -- or as a result of the answers to the questions in the questionnaire" -- Bush, at today's presser (WhiteHouse.gov, 10/20/05).

. . CHASER

"At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it" -- Principal ("Billy Madison," 1995).

Shot & Chaser courtesy an anonyous Last Call! [National Journal] reader.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

I remain skeptical of the Chicken Littles' insistance that "Roe v Wade is pretty much gone," after hearing it for 20+ years.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

why does anyone listen to Bill Maher? he isn't half as funny, smart, or incisive as he seems to think he is... as for this nomination, is it really sunk? Unless actual Republicans in Congress come out against her (which hasn't happened yet as far as I know), how will the nomination be blocked?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Again, what are the consequences if she DOES withdraw? Say she pulls out, and we get another nominee in there. Is it better to have a weak & clueless fuckup lackey vs a stronger batshit fundie fuckhead lackey?

Wanna know what's even more fun? Doesn't You-Know-Who get to appoint Alan Greenspan's successor pretty soon? Think that he'll remember his father's consternation that the FED chief wouldn't change rates as fast as politically needed to be, and consider that when picking the next lackey?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Dubya obviously doesn't take lessons from his father...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

just checkin'

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

... so much so in fact that his whole career could be construed as a deeply Freudian attempt to upstage his father, and now that he actually HAS upstaged his dad in every respect (by being an Iraq-invading, Sadaam-capturing, tax cutting, deficit shattering two-term Preznit) he doesn't have a fucking clue what to do. Hence the floundering, the directionless expenditure of political capital, the absent-minded nonchalance...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

heh. just like Jodorowsky said.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

yeah. weird ennit.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

anyway, back to the nomination at hand - so what is the likeliest outcome here? She gets past the committee and her nomination gets blocked on the Senate floor by united Dems + a couple Republicans? Will she pass the House? There's more vocal fundies in the House....

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

The *House*? The House has jack shit to do with Supreme Court spots.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

>Is it better to have a weak & clueless fuckup lackey vs a stronger batshit fundie fuckhead lackey?<

Hence the Reid 'support.' One hell of a strategy; the evil of two lessers, forever and ever, amen.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

kingfish are you saying you would rather have a completely unqualified person serve on the bench rather than a qualified person that you happen to disagree with??

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what I was thinking when I typed that.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

kingfish are you saying you would rather have a completely unqualified person serve on the bench rather than a qualified person that you happen to disagree with??

Exactly why I havent posted an opinion. Scalia and Thomas are always lumped together as the Gruesome Twosome, but there's a world of difference. I respect Scalia's clarity of thought and bitchy style a helluva lot more than the nullity of Thomas; and this is what I fear Miers will become.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

I won't respect Scalia's "clarity of thought" until he answers whether or not he assfucks his wife.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

The Framers never sanctioned Italian-American heterosexual sodomy.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

i mean, i don't want roe v. wade to be overturned either -- and i do not believe that it ever will; the republicans depend on it too heavily -- but i want the court to at least be intelligent, the best of the best etc. of course this is very much a utopian goal that can never be realized, but to decide to impugn our highest court solely for short-term political gain is incredibly foolish!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

The Framers never sanctioned Italian-American heterosexual sodomy.

Dullards.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

What do we think the political ramifications will be if SCOTUS throws abortion/privacy issues back to the states? I'm inclined to think that it will strengthen the Dems in their stongholds and create a further and deeper rift in the Republican party.

Also, does anyone know if states can prevent people from leaving if their intent is to go to another state to commit what would amount to a crime in their homestate? Can congress? What about aiding and abetting? Accessory? If privacy rights are rescinded, there will be a lot of people in hardcore red states who will need help getting out when they want an abortion.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 20 October 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

to decide to impugn our highest court solely for short-term political gain is incredibly foolish!

Some would say that's already happened.

My thing is that the idiot(s) making the selections are so fucked up currently that ANY particular candidate will suck, to put it mildly.

There will be no effort for a consensus candidate, since these guys are operating in total bad faith and feel that it's in their best interest to completely go against whatever the minority party is currently supporting.

Does anybody really think we'll have the "Ginsburg" experience again, where the Guy In Charge seriously considers a nominee as suggested from the other side(Orrin Hatch, in that case)? Hell, all the rightwing noise machine spent months going on about "We don't want another Ginsburg," conveniently forgetting how she got there in the first place.

We're just faced with a wide panopoly of suck. Do we go with the obviously unqualified lady of dubious beliefs but complete pro-corporate-bent who'll probably write some weak sauce arguments? Do we go with the more moderate, more qualified guy who's also WAY more torture-happy and can write far better?

On another note, I do have the unrealistic, futile hope that this at least staves off some of the shit about personal beliefs being immaterial in a justice. Much of the apparent rightwing noise around her is that they don't really know what she believes, and they're freaking that she isn't batshit enough. Of course it won't happen, since these guys aren't paid to understand what bullshit talking points they push. Kinda harkens back to the Upton Sinclair quote about a man's salary.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Also, does anyone know if states can prevent people from leaving if their intent is to go to another state to commit what would amount to a crime in their homestate? Can congress? What about aiding and abetting? Accessory? If privacy rights are rescinded, there will be a lot of people in hardcore red states who will need help getting out when they want an abortion.

i think that there are efforts to get this kinda thing on the books in certain states. Don't quote me on that, tho, since I don't know any specific states. I just know that it's part of the effort to incrementally make abortion impossible, like with the parental notification bits.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Does anybody really think we'll have the "Ginsburg" experience again, where the Guy In Charge seriously considers a nominee as suggested from the other side(Orrin Hatch, in that case)? Hell, all the rightwing noise machine spent months going on about "We don't want another Ginsburg," conveniently forgetting how she got there in the first place

But Bush did consult Harry Reid, who, of course, has been very quiet since the nomination was announced. I like to think that Reid has finally gotten some political savvy, helping choose a candidate he knew would tear the GOP asunder in the hopes of a Democratic victory in the Congressional races next year.

(Then again, I worry more about a lifetime appointment of a mediocrity than the two-year election of a mediocrity to the House, so...)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Also, does anyone know if states can prevent people from leaving if their intent is to go to another state to commit what would amount to a crime in their homestate?

gambling? prostitution? dildo purchase?

hell, maybe it is illegal right now and just not enforced.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I once drove Virginia with a radar detector. I'm a rebel, Dottie.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

(you can add the word "through" to that last sentence, if you like.)

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

But Bush did consult Harry Reid, who, of course, has been very quiet since the nomination was announced.

Yeah, but "Here she is; whad'ya think? " is a touch different than "Well, you have any suggestions?"

Remember that it was Orrin Hatch who first purposed Ginsburg's name. IIRC, Clinton hadn't heard of her before that.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

But considering this administration this is progress.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 20 October 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

The Framers never sanctioned Italian-American heterosexual sodomy.

So what's that "pursuit of happiness" bit about then?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 21 October 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

heavy cruising?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 21 October 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

At least Aaron Burr was a reported ass muncher.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 21 October 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

Buh-bye, Harriet.

-------------------------------

(WSJ lead editorial, weiner-ized for your short attention span)

The Miers Blunder
October 21, 2005
Although skeptical from the start, we've restrained our criticism of the Harriet Miers nomination because we've long believed that Presidents of either party deserve substantial deference on their Supreme Court picks. Yet it now seems clear -- even well before her Senate hearings -- that this selection has become a political blunder of the first order.

Especially in the wake of his success with John Roberts, President Bush had a rare opportunity to fulfill his campaign pledge to change the Court by nominating someone in the mold of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. In the process, he would have rallied his most fervent supporters and helped to educate the country about proper Constitutional interpretation. Instead, he picked a woman who was his personal and White House counsel, and who was unknown to nearly everyone outside the White House and his Texas circle.

After three weeks of spin and reporting, we still don't know much more about what Ms. Miers thinks of the Constitution. What we have learned is that the White House has presented her to the country, and thrown her into the buzz saw that is the U.S. Senate, without either proper preparation or vetting. The result has been a political melee that is hurting not just Ms. Miers, who deserves better. It is also damaging the White House and its prospects for a successful second term.

Instead of a fight over judicial philosophy, we're having a fight over one woman's credentials and background. Instead of debating the Kelo decision's evisceration of private property rights, we are destined to learn everything we never wanted to know about the Texas Lottery Commission.

Instead of dividing Red State Democrats from Senate liberals, the nomination is dividing Republicans. Pat Robertson is threatening retribution not against moderate Democrats but against GOP conservatives who dare to oppose Ms. Miers. Chuck Schumer couldn't have written a better script.

Regarding Ms. Miers's qualifications, we aren't among those who think an Ivy League pedigree or judgeship is a prerequisite for a Supreme Court seat. But the process of getting to know Ms. Miers has been the opposite of reassuring. Her courtesy calls on Senators have gone so poorly that the White House may stop them altogether.

And on Wednesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee took the extraordinary step of asking her for what amounts to "do-over" on a standard questionnaire about her judicial philosophy. The impression has been created, fairly or not, that Ms. Miers is simply not able to discuss the Constitutional controversies that have animated American political debate for two generations.

We sympathize with Ms. Miers, who is an accomplished woman with many admirable qualities. The questionnaire fiasco is as much the fault of the White House, which is supposed to have several lawyers review these things. And more than one of our own lawyer friends have told us that even they would have a difficult time cramming for Senate hearings in four short weeks.

But this is another way of saying that the mistake here was that of the President and his advisers, who badly misjudged the political environment into which they have thrown their nominee. In earlier and less polarized times, someone without broad Constitutional experience might have avoided this trouble. But after decades of Republican anger over judicial activism, and 20 years of disappointing GOP Court selections, a nominee who was a blank slate was bound to get pounded. Mr. Bush has set her up to be hit by a withering political crossfire.

Senate Republicans now find themselves caught between their loyalty to the President and their entirely legitimate concerns about Ms. Miers's philosophy and qualifications. For their part, Democrats have so far largely been content to watch their opposition squirm and shout. But they will certainly play the opportunists, jumping on any opening on ethics or ideology to defeat her and embarrass the President.

The liberal base may even demand it, given that one of the White House's private selling points to religious conservatives has been that she is both an evangelical and is personally opposed to abortion rights. (Hint: She'd vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.) These assurances, if that's what they were, may turn out to have been doubly counterproductive, given that they also undercut Republican claims to believe in process- rather than results-oriented jurisprudence.

Perhaps Ms. Miers will prove to be such a sterling Senate witness that she can still win confirmation. But so far the lesson we draw from this nomination is this: Bad things happen when a President decides that "diversity," personal loyalty and stealth are more important credentials for the Supreme Court than knowledge of the Constitution and battle-hardened experience fighting the judicial wars of the past 30 years.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

My impression continues to be that the more the right complains the more Bush is going to dig down and refuse to budge. Which is exactly what I want to see, these past three weeks have been sheer delight.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

thanks don!

teeny (teeny), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Having fun at Tradesports

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, here's the latest Fund story. Swift Boat...in reverse!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Buh-bye, Harriet.

Don, you're forgetting that Bush doesn't read the newspaper.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

I feel the need to reiterate that Meier's passage is assured unless several Republican Senators break ranks - and so far none have indicated they will do so.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

York:

In an interview with National Review this morning, a senior Senate Republican said he firmly expects President Bush to continue to stand behind Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers. The Republican said the president is absolutely convinced, without question, that Miers is the right choice, and that even if Miers herself wanted to withdraw, the president would not accept it. The senior Republican also said that while it is the party's responsibility to ensure that Miers is given a fair and civil process in the Senate, her confirmation hearings promise to be tough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Crittenden has some interesting thoughts from a perspective not my own...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

hey, when you use the possessive for a name that ends with an "s," do you add only an apostrophe after that letter, or do you also add an additional "s?"

T/S: "Miers'" vs "Miers's"

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

"Mires"?

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Technically you are supposed to add the additional "s" because it is not a plural word. In common usage no one actually ever seems to do this besides me.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

The NYT does it. The AP does not.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Is there a difference between UK/US usage?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Less a Miers story than a general 'what's up with the GOP' one but this piece, if classically TNR glib, is still worth a read.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, dear ol' Goldberg talks some sense (no, really):

MIERS AS ROPE-A-DOPE [Jonah Goldberg]
Folks, let me be clear. I wasn't saying that I thought this theory is genius or that I hadn't heard it before. Lots of readers are sending me links to blogs or claiming they said it first, etc etc. I'm sure that's all true. The idea came up from the get-go. My point was that I'm getting more and more email from people saying that must be his strategy, which I take as a sign that Miers's nomination is in even more obvious trouble. "I meant to do that" is one of the truly desperate defenses.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, AP says that proper names ending in "s" just get an apostrophe. So "Jonathan Ross' show sucked ass again" rather than "Jonathan Ross's show bit the big one."

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

every ILE thread either turns into a grammar thread or a sex thread.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

I guess I should count my blessings.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

The trick is to combine those impulses.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

If she gets confirmed after all this (odds? 50-1?) will it mark a new low in low expectations?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

his whole career could be construed as a deeply Freudian attempt to upstage his father,

Y'know, it seems that there's a LOT to this:

-His dad was a college football star, but Junior couldn't even make it on the team and had to take a cheerleader spot. Only a _little_ bit humiliating.

-His father was a decorated WWII pilot shot down over the Pacific, Junior as Texas Air Nat'l Guard deserter who never left the South.

-His dad as oilman, Junior as frustrated oil failure.

And I have NO idea where the ball team fits into all this, aside from another Texas bidness where Junior floundered around.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

The trick is to combine those impulses.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 21 October 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Why would Bush stop backing her? He saw into her heart, man! Has her heart changed? I think not.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 21 October 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

The president has shown that no matter how boneheaded, stupid, unplanned, fatalistic, incompetent, misguided, and downright idiotic an idea is, he will not stand down or change his mind.

Miers will be confirmed to the highest court in the land by at least seventy votes.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 21 October 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

Morbs - which Republicans do you think will block her nomination? Specter?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 October 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

Hold that 'she'll definitely be confirmed' thought, folks -- Littwin's gag order has been lifted. Not saying she WILL go down -- but the chances are now apparently rather stronger.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

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iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

There was a piece earlier today on NPR about her strange financial disclosures. She used to make $625K as the lead partner of that big Dallas law firm, but her current personal assets are about $35K and a retirement fund that has shrunk from "between $500K and $1M a few years ago" to less than $200,000 now. I think she's paying for her mother's 24-hr medical care, but shit, is that really where all the money's gone? I wonder if she's tithing to Operation Rescue and Chick-Fil-A as well as her church.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Wait until George Bush nominates Karen Finley next, if Miers fails. Then the GOP will REALLY be upset!

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

"I have complete faith in Miss Karen Finley. She told me she's very religious, she will derail [any attempt] [at retaining] [Roe vs. Wade], and makes me the loveliest baked yams."

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Is Karen Finley still alive? What does she do for money?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 21 October 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

At the bookstore I saw a dirty Winnie the Pooh book she wrote. Piglet and Eeyore and all of them are shooting up and whipping each other & stuff.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 21 October 2005 23:21 (twenty years ago)

ah well here's my sex thread.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 22 October 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

I flipped through it briefly but the grammar was atrocious.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 22 October 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

Will's latest. He is not a happy man.

Elsewhere because of this story Goldberg decides Miers has gotta go and adds that this has to hurt Bush eventually if not immediately. Indeed so. (Hewitt has fallen quite silent, vacation or no vacation.)

ConfirmThem is on the usual roil, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 October 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

Insiders see hint of Miers pullout

By Ralph Z. Hallow and Charles Hurt

THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published October 22, 2005

The White House has begun making contingency plans for the withdrawal of Harriet Miers as President Bush's choice to fill a seat on the Supreme Court, conservative sources said yesterday.
"White House senior staff are starting to ask outside people, saying, 'We're not discussing pulling out her nomination, but if we were to, do you have any advice as to how we should do it?' " a conservative Republican with ties to the White House told The Washington Times.
The White House denied making such calls.
"Absolutely not true," White House spokesman Trent Duffy said.
But the conservative political consultant said that he had received such a query from Sara Taylor, director of the Office of White House Political Affairs.
Miss Taylor denied making any such calls.
A second Republican, who is the leader of a conservative interest group and has ties to the White House, confirmed that calls are being made to a select group of conservative activists who are not employed by the government.
"The political people in the White House are very worried about how she will do in the hearings," the second conservative leader said. "I think they have finally awakened."
"Absolutely false," Miss Taylor said. "Some of these conspiracy theories have risen to a new level."
The White House also said yesterday that Miss Miers will carry on with all previously planned meetings with senators on Capitol Hill and is still working to schedule new ones.
"They're continuing to work to schedule meetings," White House spokesman Jim Dyke said.
The Times reported yesterday that Senate Republican lawyers said no new meetings with Miss Miers would be scheduled -- at least until after the hearings.
A conservative political consultant with ties to the White House said the president and his political team once thought Democrats would go easy on Miss Miers, a friend of Mr. Bush's and his personal counsel. The theory was that Democrats see her as the best they could expect in the way of Bush appointments to the high court.
"But now Democrats smell blood in water," said the Republican, adding that he received a call from Miss Taylor seeking contingency advice on how to handle a possible decision by Miss Miers to withdraw her name or a decision by the president to withdraw the nomination.
"So there are some in the White House and some Republicans in the Senate who are worried the Democrats can now build a case that she is not competent enough or knowledgeable enough to be a justice on the Supreme Court," he said. "Really, that is the most damaging case you can build against a nominee."
The reason, he said, is that "non-ideologues would be responsive to that competence argument, and Republicans won't be able to argue that her defeat was ideological -- that the reason the Democrats beat her was that she was too conservative."
Meanwhile, Republican lawyers in the Senate said yesterday that while previously planned meetings with the Supreme Court nominee have not been canceled, the White House is not scheduling any more new meetings.
Mr. Dyke disputed that assertion, but refused to say what new meetings have been scheduled.
"I'm not going to give you names," he said. "We don't get into her schedule."
The Times reported that Miss Miers would attend two meetings that had been planned for yesterday but were rescheduled for next week, along with four others that already had been added to her schedule.
Miss Miers will spend the next two weeks doing "murder boards," mock hearings where people pose as senators on the Senate Judiciary Committee and question her as if she were at her hearings.
Republican lawyers on the committee staff have said Miss Miers' meetings with senators have gone poorly. That's why, they say, the White House has shifted its strategy from the private meetings to "boning up" for the hearings.
Publicly, senators on both sides of the aisle have said Miss Miers needs to spend more time preparing for the hearings.
Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania Republican, said Miss Miers needs a "crash course" in constitutional law.
One of the few on Capitol Hill who doesn't need convincing of her qualifications is Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican. He has known Miss Miers for 15 years and has been her most vocal supporter.
"When you take a look at Harriet Miers' career, what you see is a lawyer who has a breadth of legal experience unmatched by any justice currently sitting on the Supreme Court," he said yesterday. "She has tried cases, she has taken depositions, she has counseled clients, she has argued appeals."
Yesterday's calls from the White House, however, raised concerns about whether the nomination will last.
Leaders of several social conservative and pro-family interest groups have been conferring by telephone over whether to push hard for the withdrawal of Miss Miers' nomination.
Just who in the White House may have asked Miss Taylor to seek advice from outside about the best way to drop Miss Miers' nomination without causing excessive embarrassment to the president or to her was unclear.
Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove no longer appears to fill the role as chief political strategist in the White House, a role he has filled from the start of the first Bush term. Mr. Rove's clear leadership hand went missing some time ago, Republican insiders say, when speculation grew that he might face indictment in the CIA leak investigation led by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.
The eruption of conservative disapproval over the choice of Miss Miers surprised the president and others in the White House but not Mr. Rove, the insiders say. They say he has shown, in most instances, a keen sensitivity to the complex concerns of various interests on the political right that, until the Miers nomination, had been pretty much in lock step with Mr. Bush, even when they privately disagreed with him.
Republican insiders said the choice of Miss Miers, who has had no judicial experience, over a list of sitting judges with records of having written opinions on constitutional matters and who are conservative in their political views, probably was made by Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr.
Some White House aides privately acknowledge astonishment at the administration's response.
"Who would have believed the wheels would be coming off this early in the second term, and with our own people firing at us?" a White House aide confided yesterday.

Copyright © 2005 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 October 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

hm. I always wonder when I see a story like that in the washington times.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 22 October 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

just imagine what they must be talking about at camp david this weekend.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 22 October 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

More on The I-Can't-Grade-This-Revise-And-Resubmit Questionnaire

"Legal experts find a misuse of terms in her Senate questionnaire 'terrible' and 'shocking.'"

rogermexico (rogermexico), Saturday, 22 October 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

I always wonder when I see a story like that in the washington times.

Indeed. The fact that so many people have glommed onto it already...intrigues.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Stuntz has a piece up that's also been getting attention.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 October 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to puke, no matter if Miers gets it or not... I just want this to llliiiiiinnnnggggeeeerrrrrrr as long as possible at this point.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

'We're not discussing pulling out her nomination, but if we were to, do you have any advice as to how we should do it?' "

Easy (and I'm thinking Republican now), pull Miers's mother off life suppourt or whatever and send her (Miers) into grieving and out of the running.

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Reading between the lines, I gather her mother has Alzheimers. If so, she could die next week or last several more years. But yeah, that could be a face-saving out.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 22 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt tries to school Will and in turn gets schooled by Bainbridge. Winner: the reading audience.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 October 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

In fact, Hewitt seems to have finally gone too far for a lot of folks. At NRO world, first Goldberg and then McCarthy wonder about what's up, while a new RedState piece flat out calls him a pimp for Bush. More coming, doubtless.

Meanwhile, it seems Miers has her own Whitewater equivalent, though who knows?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Lots of continuing hoohah, the latest rumor going around is that new candidates are being suggested while publically they'll go ahead with the nomination. But even this is getting suspicions that all Bush is trying to do is mollify people temporarily. Fund's latest is getting some comment as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Also this USA Today piece has more negative reaction from various senators.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

705 posts? Wowsers.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

600 of which are doubtless me posting every last link I can find.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

So touching:

Q Mr. President, as a newspaper reported on Saturday, is the White House working on a contingency plan for the withdrawal of Harriet Miers' nomination?

THE PRESIDENT: Harriet Miers is — is an extraordinary woman. She was a legal pioneer in Texas. She was ranked one of the top 50 women lawyers in the United States on a consistent basis. She is — look, I understand that people want to know more about her, and that's the way the process should work.

Recently, requests, however, have been made by Democrats and Republicans about paperwork and — out of this White House that would make it impossible for me and other Presidents to be able to make sound decisions. They may ask for paperwork about the decision-making process, what her recommendations were, and that would breach very important confidentiality. And it's a red line I'm not willing to cross. People can learn about Harriet Miers through hearings, but we are not going to destroy this business about people being able to walk into the Oval Office and say, Mr. President, here's my advice to you, here's what I think is important. And that's not only important for this President, it's important for future Presidents.

Harriet Miers is a fine person, and I expect her to have a good, fair hearing on Capitol Hill.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, WHAT LANGUAGE IS HE SPEAKING?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

But look, Ally, he UNDERSTANDS people want to know more! Why can't you accept that that's the way the process should work!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Those are ostrich squawks.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

" Recently, requests, however, have been made by Democrats and Republicans about paperwork and — out of this White House that would make it impossible for me and other Presidents to be able to make sound decisions."

WHAT DOES IT MEAN.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

It's so joyous.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Can we start calling him President Gump without feeling guilty now?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

By all means.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Dan where have you been and why are you not on that tooth brushing thread.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I was in New York watching horror movies! "Saw" was really, really overrated! "The Grudge" was really, really underrated! "Shawn of the Dead" was pretty much exactly what you'd want it to be! "The Ring" is still awesome!

Exclamation points!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

(OMG I just glanced at that thread. OMG.)

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Hahahah, Dan's work day is shot now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

Hinderaker tries to buck up the troops. Good luck with that!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe we haven't heard the word "unvarnished" yet, regarding the Miers unforthcoming-a-thon.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Battle of the warring nutjobs!

http://justicemiers.com/

http://www.withdrawmiers.org

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

fun starts in two weeks!

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

When Bush went out and got himself a private lawyer just after the Plame thing started in earnest, I guess I just sort of assumed that any White House counsel could be called upon to cough up notes if the American people so desired it. Guess not?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Executive privilege is a funny old thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

I am suddenly wondering, though, if a lot of the rationale for the withdrawal of Miers from Frum and others essentially boils down to "If it gets out just how and why she was chosen and what she knows, we're ALL fucked."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I even invoked you -- obv I should have clapped my heels together three times.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

That thread is like crack.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

It really is.

So so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

It's so wonderful and bizarre. I am glad of its existence.

Meanwhile, back to ye olde Miers -- Bainbridge has noted this interesting blog post:

During Enron, supine boards failed to notice when their executives were looting their firms or lying to their shareholders. The post-Enron era clamped down on such negligence. Stringent laws were passed. Honest but ignorant directors paid losses out of their own pockets.

There was a correction in what I've called the post-post-Enron era. Juries acquitted, cases were dismissed, laws were delayed. And now the definitive event of the post-post-Enron era: one of the sleepy gatekeepers may be on the way to the Supreme Court!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Frum the activist!

The campaign to urge the withdrawal of Harriet Miers has moved to the next level. Two new groups have stepped forward: WithdrawMiers.org is a consortium of social conservative groups that will encourage members to write directly to their representatives in Congress.

Some friends of mine and I meanwhile have organized Americans for Better Justice (BetterJustice.com), which has raised money for a national television and radio advertising campaign to urge the withdrawal of the nomination of Harriet Miers. You will be able to see our spots very shortly on the site. They will be airing this week on "Special Report with Brit Hume," "Fox and Friends," the Rush Limbaugh program, the Laura Ingraham program, among other places.

The petition formally hosted here at NRO urging Miers to withdraw is also migrating to the BetterJustice site. If you have not signed already, please consider doing so by clicking here to make your voice heard.

Those wishing to contribute to the airing of the ads can make a donation here.

There is a very great deal at stake. The seat to which the president has nominated Harriet Miers has been the court's swing seat on a range of issues from same-sex marriage to racial gerrymandering, from religious liberty to federalism. It is too important to be shrugged off - and it is reckless to suggest (as some of my email correspondents are suggesting) that this is a job that can be done by pretty much anybody with a tablespoon of common sense. On the contrary, reversing 4 decades of bad jurisprudence will take very uncommon levels of courage, ability, integrity, and independence. Conservatives have worked too hard for too long to settle for anything less than our very best on the Supreme Court. Please join me and BetterJustice.com in pressing the president to reconsider and do better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

What makes these people think that George W. Bush actually listens to people?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Probably because Frum got Bush to listen about that 'axis of evil' phrase.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

4 decades of bad jurisprudence

FOUR decades? What happened in 1965?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

oh, well, you know, more rights granted via court decisions to people who weren't rich white men, and stuff like that.

(seriously, I don't know.)

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

They're referring to the Griswold decision.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

well, yeah, of course, i'm wondering what big mid-late '60s thing he's on about?

oh wait. he's talking about Griswold v. Connecticut, isn't he? Ok, that makes sense. He's completely fucked in the head, but that at least answers that question.

xpost

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nj.com/weblogs/beach/pics/griswold.jpg

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Maybe that explains the diaphragm joke.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

here's a Digby bit how the whole Oedipal thing bet/w Junior and the HW stand-in Brent Snowcroft.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

Engel v. Vitale (1962) probably also enters into the "4 decades of bad jurisprudence," since social conservatives tend to date the country going to hell to the end of state-sponsored prayer.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/nm/20051022/2005_10_22t014938_450x350_us_court_miers.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

Hewitt, apparently realizing either how lonely he is or how much he looks like crap in a lot of other right-wing eyes right now, has vented in an astounding way. It takes forever to read and will make your head hurt but it's amazing to read something from someone clearly on the verge of ranting aimlessly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

As I suspected, the responses to Hewitt are already taking shape -- among them, here and here. Bainbridge's eventual response may be a coup de grace, since Hewitt has essentially shot his bolt.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

...although (rather amusingly) he's actually playing desperate catchup now, here, here and here. To be fair he is trying to address a bunch of stuff all at once but I'm surprised he hasn't melted down yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

Frum in response. This is all getting rather esoteric, I realize, but given the stakes for everyone, not just the obsessive concern on the right to make sure that the party/the cause/the president (choose as appropriate) doesn't suffer lasting damage, it's good to keep a regular eye on it all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

And now Tony Perkins, head batshit fundie from the Family Research Council, is shakin' in his boots over Dobson getting dragged before Specter's committee:

...The Senator may not be a regular listener to Dr. Dobson's nationally broadcast Focus on the Family program, but his staff should at least inform him that Dr. Dobson has already clarified his remarks before a radio audience of millions. Any effort to haul Dr. Dobson before the Committee should be seen for what it is--political grandstanding.

oh, and that Michael Estrada's nomination was blocked b/c "...liberals did not want an Hispanic conservative 'on deck' to be named to the U.S. Supreme Court."

Obviously that was the only reason.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

I like how this is all getting closer and closer to what was feared by some on the day of nomination. All we need is three more weeks at least (assuming a really painful hearings week -- and by all means get Dobson in there).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

It's been said before on here, but we really are in the thick of history right now, aren't we? Seems that a little too much of it has been happening as of late... Shit's all coming to a head.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Eh. The Iran-Contra hearings were the same mess in the press. Now it's "Iran-Contra huh?"

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

NY Times leads today with the 'doubts' of Sessions, Thune, Coleman... if I trusted any of you to pay up I'd take bets her hearings will never happen.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

The real kicker today has been news of a couple of speeches given back in 1993 by Miers. To say that a lot of rightwing opponents are riled up is putting it mildly -- more than a few people are specifically saying it's word of this that firmly puts them into the 'oppose' camp.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

c'mon just two more weeks. almost there...

twoooooo weeeeeeeeksss

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

In the 'this is getting ridiculous' department, the second questionnaire was supposed to be returned by 6 pm today to Specter and crew. But now they're at least two hours late. As some have said, perhaps they're running spellcheck on this one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Hewitt v. Frum on the former's radio show today. I'll say this much -- while I think Hewitt's logic has long since collapsed in on itself beyond a reflexive 'must support president' twitch, he's pretty consistently had his many opponents on his radio show this whole time, to argue their case. Granted, I suspect he might not be quite as generous with left-wing critics in general.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

The problem here is that this particular point is as good as it gets -- the right wing gnawing off its own foot, the White House flustered, the approval ratings at rock bottom. From here, we either proceed to Miers getting confirmed anyway (ugh) or Miers not getting confirmed and some probably more qualified but demonstrably more strident conservative being inserted in her place (ugh again). If Miers goes down, I don't see the White House having the stomach for another fight with the hard right over conservative bona fides. They'd probably rather force a filibuster by the Democrats and hope they can spin it as "obstructionism" in the '06 elections. So enjoy the present moment while it lasts.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 27 October 2005 05:02 (twenty years ago)

CNN is reporting that Miers is withdrawing.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

She couldn't find a #2 pencil to retake the test.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 27 October 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

AP-Scotus-Miers BULLETIN, take 3

President Bush says he reluctantly accepts her decision to
withdraw, after weeks of insisting that he did not want her to step
down. He blamed her withdrawal on calls in the Senate for the
release of internal White House documents that the administration
has insisted were protected by executive privilege.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

BBC breaking the news too, with no content yet. Not often I see a thing.

It would be nice if this could have a positive effect. But maybe it cannot.

the pinefox, Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

AP-Scotus-Miers BULLETIN, take 4

In a letter to Bush, Miers thanks him for his support and
writes, "I am concerned that the confirmation process presents a
burden for the White House and our staff that is not in the best
interests of the country."

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

So who's the suckerpunch then?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

she keeps her job as white house counsel!

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

Harriet Miers Withdraws Nomination

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

lolol all of this

HI DERE, Thursday, 14 February 2008 00:13 (seventeen years ago)

How much would it have sucked to be her?

HI DERE, Thursday, 14 February 2008 00:14 (seventeen years ago)


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