NBA 05-06: Artested and Proven (inc. Fantasy League stuff!)

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Legal battles among co-owners over a maximum deal for an out-of-position point guard! DNA testing for Eddy Curry! Ron Artest back in (brand new) Pacers uniform! The Miami Heat buy a second team plane just for their egos! You must now be 19 years of age to ride this NBA ride according to The Commish! That's right folks, it's the NBA 2005-2006 season.

Training camps have just started with the thrills and chills of media day. Vaguely Zen pronouncements from Phil Jackson! Larry Brown tries to convince us (and himself) that Stephon Marbury is indeed the best point guard in the East! Shaq opens the circus! LeBron has real teammates now! So, it's about that time to start talking, folks...

...and also time to get a-rumblin' in this year's Yahoo fantasy league. I've just set it up, we are TRU WARIERS in honor of Reinstatement Artest's wonderfully named record label. Currently we are league #50534, hit me for the password, and our draft is scheduled LIVER than a dying sitcom for Oct 23rd at 11 AM, giving us around ten days to trade, pickup free agents, and trash talk until the real balls start bouncing.

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh and I forgot! As I was clicking through the scoring categories, I realized there may be a second fantasy league goldmine: available as cats are fouls, times fouled out, ejections, technicals and flagrants! I propose a second league with ONLY those categories, highest totals win, THUG LIFE.

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

i'm in baby, World B. Freeks

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

oooh basketball!!!!!! my team is going to consist solely of hot slavs and hot argentines and im gonna win!

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

(11am though? last time i passed out the night before and missed the draft and autopick got me glenn robinson)

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

Me me! Let's see if Troy Murphy goes in the first round this year!

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

leeeeeee! hit me with your email and i'll get you the password

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

phil, the draft is 11 am pacific (it took my settings but i couldn't see that on the actual time selection page), so it'll be 2 pm your time.

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

leeeee@gREEEEEEKmail.com

As early as 11am is, I will be there! Or be square.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Hook a friendster up:

roastingonanopenfire at yahoo dot com

― a picture of a fat girl hugging Rick Perry, awesome (Matt Chesnut), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

i would like to redeem myself after last year's tragic second place finish:

dregan23 at yahoo dot com

― dan (dan), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

I'm too busy ah fuck it I'm in go ahead and send me the password. I dunno if I can repeat my stellar 2004-05 season though.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't aware of the Curry situation being national news. I was hoping all season long that he'd do perform well enough to have a high trade value, so his heart "condition" surfacing was just about the worse possible thing I could've imagined.
I've got a feeling that Ben Gordon will be a bit of a bust, but Luol Deng will take up the slack. Hopefully Hinrich will be more consistent with his jumpers.

Who's going to be the first player to get 50pts? McGrady? Iverson?
Think Minnesota will recover from last season?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Losing Sam Cassell and Latrell was necessary, but replacing them with Marko Jaric and Nikoloz Tskitishvili was not. Also their new head coach has no NBA head coaching experience. If Garnett is smart, he will go down with a "season ending injury" and they can aim for a high lottery pick.

― a picture of a fat girl hugging Rick Perry, awesome (Matt Chesnut), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

No no no if he's smart he'll fake suicide and sign to the Bulls as the afro-ed Machmoud X.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Do you think Prince would write a Garnett tribute song?

― a picture of a fat girl hugging Rick Perry, awesome (Matt Chesnut), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Isn't that what Sexy MF was all about?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

The other night I dreamt that I missed the Pistons season opener and then found out they lost to the Grizzlies by 40 points. The sad thing is I don't think I can do League Pass again this year, so maybe it was more of a premonition. :(

My prediction for first player to 50 is Amare, who also has a good shot at winning the MVP now that the Suns have less offensive players and more role/support players.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 3 October 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Whoa Curry got traded to the Knicks after all.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

oof, i wonder who they got in return. i remember the bulls tried to sign tim thomas awhile ago, after tracy mcgrady fell thru, but then we ended up with ron mercer instead.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

I would like in on the fantasy league puh leases.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

oh snap, the tofu smells (vegan) blood because he's kicking ass in fantasy football!

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

send me password

― Sym Sym (sym), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

oh god did the bulls get what the rumors said they'd get for Curry? fuck. even with those scrubs coming here, i'm still glad Curry's gone. He was the one guy who didn't fit into Skiles'/Paxson's all-hustle, no ego designs. If he can play for 4 or even 3 quarters as well as he does in the first quarter, NY will make out like a bandit.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

Isiah must have compromising photos of someone in the Bulls front office.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

well at least the bulls will have lots of cap space... for peja. mmm

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

Bulls got a bunch of cap room, a conditional draft pick in the first and second of 2006, Sweetney and Thomas.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

anyone have a list of big free agents for 2007?

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

How much cap room did the Bulls gain?

Curry was in his restricted year (low-ball offer), with maybe a big extension coming up after the season under his Bird rights. So they didn't actually 'gain' any space there aside from what they might have offered Curry after the season (and if he plays well, better to have a young talented big man than 'cap space' to waste). Antonio Davis has two years, $12m per left or thereabouts which just balances Tim Thomas in years and money (and they give up some D for a few more points on the offensive end there).

So it looks to me like they traded Curry for a mid-first pick. Ouch.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

I believe 2007 is BronBron's unrestricted year.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

oof

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

so Chandler/Antonio Davis/Luol Deng/Kirk Hinrich/Chris Duhon.
Bench: Gordon, Thomas, Nocioni, Songalia, Harrington?

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

Davis went to the Knicks, so Thomas would be starting in the 4.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

With Davis I think the cap relief the Bulls get works out to around $22 million.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

miloz, you're right, young, talented big men don't come along too often.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

We can't forget that Darko will be on the market in 2007.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

And in a few days the Knicks will take on another absurd contract, this time an uninsured $50 million or so shot.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.memoram.com/Tim_Duncan.jpg
http://www.diariolavoz.net/Portales/La-Voz/Data/EMANUEL%20GINOBILI.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/suns/finley.jpg

BOW DOWN, BITCHIZ

― a picture of a fat girl hugging Rick Perry, awesome (Matt Chesnut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

Did they pay Finley their entire mid-level?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Half, I believe.

― a picture of a fat girl hugging Rick Perry, awesome (Matt Chesnut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

Spurs bench could probably beat a number of teams on its own.

Nick Van Exel
Brent Barry
Michael Finley
Robert Horry
Lil Breezy Oberto

― a picture of a fat girl hugging Rick Perry, awesome (Matt Chesnut), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

Depends on how well V-E's knees hold up and if Finley comes back.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)

did i mention to anyone but aaronW that ive had two business meetings with the cuban and dinner/drinks once too!

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

oh wiat, so it was curry & antonio davis for tim thomas, michael sweetney, some jackson dude, and a 1st round pick? wtf??

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

So the Raptors shipped Rafer Alston to Houston for Mike James... I think with Stromile Swift there to do the dirty work and Yao with a full summer of rest and T-Mac with a full year under Van Gundy's system, they're going to be in the top 4 out West this year. Although that bench is about as old as a geriatric home.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

Houston looks good. They also grabbed Derek Anderson off the Blazers. I think they'll supplant Dallas as Texas' No. 2 team this year.

The Suns lose Joe Johnson and Q and replace them with Boris Diaw and Kurt Thomas. Is this going to affect Amare's numbers? I thought a lot of the Suns' power last season came in their ability to score from any position on the floor (as long as their starters or Jim Jackson were out there). Now Amare's got a target on his back and it'll be easier for defenses to focus on him without having to worry about allowing a flurry of open threes. Marion will need to play insane. They'll make the playoffs, sure, but 60 wins again? Not convinced.

How do the Kings look this year? No more Bobby Jackson, first full year with no C Webb, Bonzi and Shareef as the new guys. I have no idea how this might work out.

How soon before 'George Karl is on the hotseat' stories start bubbling up? I'm guessing February.

― a picture of a fat girl hugging Rick Perry, awesome (Matt Chesnut), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to get in on the league, if there are still open slots.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

The Benefactees are in again, if we aren't too late (the e-mail in my sig works). Doubtful on making the live draft, though.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to get in too if there are any slots left :

joshua.love@onlineathens.com

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

holy cow, looks like a big league. earl, miloz and josh, just sent you the invites. if forksclovetofu and phil2 get in there we are up to the standart twelve; i'm going to bump it up to 14 to make room for aaron's buddy and hello TEENY WHERE ARE YOU. should be a wide open field!

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

amare is definitely going to have the target on his back, but i think he will rip it up anyway. he averaged in the high 30's against san antonio without jj and with quentin richardson completely vanished, so he'll definitely be pulling double teams like crazy but i still think he's going to be nigh-on-unstoppable.

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

oh wait yes im joining right now dont start without me!

― phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

miloz, you're right, young, talented big men don't come along too often.

I hope for his sake he proves me wrong --- he's a Chicago kid, and I remember watching him on this "reality" series that profiled him and two other players while they were in high school, so he has a place in my heart --- but the guy seems to utterly lack any sort of competitive drive and always seems half-asleep. Gets out the blocks like gangbusters but becomes invisible after halftime. The Bulls formula is a team where every single guy plays like he's just shoved Pablo Escobar's private stash up his nose, and one Snuffaluffagus could ruin it.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

but jamal crawford and eddy curry were my favorite bulls! :(

― phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

Oh no! Mickael Pietrus is disaffected!

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

*sigh*

It's not easy being the only Warriors fan here.

More relevantly: the ILHoops league should have some goofy stat! Like EJECTIONS.

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

I know it's pre-season and all, but how's this for a stat line?

Rafael Araujo, C
MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
7 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 0 0 0 3 5 0

Worst draft pick ever? (and NO it's not Darko, who's about to have a breakout season suckahs).

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 15 October 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

Well that got screwed up but you get the picture.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 15 October 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

So much for Amare pwning everyone. Out for 4 months, at least.

― Its morph 'em to pun cute (Matt Chesnut), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

― Sym Sym (sym), Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Wow Jason Collier of the Hawks died last night of apparent heart failure. After the whole Eddy Curry thing, and then Fred Hoiberg being diagnosed with a potentially fatal heart condition, I gotta say the league has a good case for doing some sort of mandatory heart screening. The players union is going to say its an infringement of privacy, but there's gotta be some way to work out a deal where the league pays a players lifetime salary if he has to retire. Nothing is worth having more players die.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 15 October 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

man that's sad.

not quite as sad: I can't do the live draft because my daughter has a makeup soccer game that day, at that exact time. pre-ranking, do yr stuff! (note to self: don't be an idiot like last year.)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 15 October 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

i saw an article that said, as part of the dna-test-requiring contract, chicago offered a 400K/year lifetime annuity if the test turned up positive... maybe a prorated version of that? i think, ignoring privacy issues and all, maybe curry should have taken the deal in that case; if there is something wrong with him, he shouldn't be playing..

― dave k, Saturday, 15 October 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

im actually awake this time for the live draft but im really hungover.

― phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 16 October 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

oh fuck its NEXT week.

im going back to sleep. i hate you

― phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 16 October 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Heh. Who did you draft Phil? You better be around for the real thing.

From the AP wires...

TORONTO -- Maccabi Tel Aviv beat an NBA team for the first time in 27 years, topping the Toronto Raptors 105-103 on Sunday on Anthony Parker's jumper with 0.8 seconds left.

That's not true actually. The Raptors aren't an "NBA team."

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Sunday, 16 October 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

Allan Houston officially retires. I remember when Houston ditched the Pistons because the Knicks rolled out the red carpet by picking him up in a limo and taking him out on the town. And giving him a ridiculous contract. Which was the beginning of the hemorrhaging of the Knicks payroll.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

two questions:

1) are the knicks still liable for any of his contract?
2) did isiah make him do it?
3) has larry brown started interviewing anywhere else yet?

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

It sounds like Houston and the Knicks are calling it injury-related, so they'll probably have to keep him on the inactive list and pay him the rest of the contract. Otherwise they'd mention a buyout, no?

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

"The team must still pay Houston, whose contract reportedly is insured and whose salary comes off the salary cap next year." - ESPN

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 17 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

The Knicks are only responsible for some $16 million of his $40 million contract -- the rest is insured.

In all, after waiving Jerome Williams under the Allan Houston rule the Knicks are ducking $60 million in luxury tax. (Because Houston's last game was Jan 2004 it may come off sooner, I'm not sure about when the nba's fiscal year starts.)

So the last of the pre-Zekers are gone, and Eddy Curry is wearing Charles Oakley's number. Should be an interesting season.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Monday, 17 October 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

HOW DID I MISS THIS THREAD??

I was a shitty participant last year (hello presidential election) and will probably be again this year (hello having a baby) but let me at em.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 17 October 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

teenydreams at gmail etc.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 17 October 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

this sounds awesome.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 17 October 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

oh i would like to do fantasy too pls. ystrickler at yahoo dot com

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

haha I just told rob g that teeny probably wouldn't be in...AND HE AGREED = we R both Suckaz

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 17 October 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

just because reggie miller is gone doesn't mean I'll be crying into my pillow EVERY night.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 17 October 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

am I too late? :(

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

no, don't worry, rob's just on LA time, I'm sure he'll send out invites when he wakes his ass up. HOLD OUT HOPE

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Unless he drops dead (which isn't really funny), I gotta say that poaching Eddy Curry from the Bulls was a great move by Isiah. When Hardaway, Antonio Davis and Houston come off the books next year the Knicks will actually be, well, in a decent position to sign players. Which of course will mean that Isiah throws $15mil at someone like Al Harrington.

Oh, and guess who's leading the league in blocks in the preaseason?

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20051017/capt.mirw10410170106.timberwolves_pistons_mirw104.jpg

(Hi Yanc3y. I owe you a call or an email)

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Joel Pryzbilla?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

dan gadzuric?

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

no seriously i am glad that darko will get some burn (and not the pine-to-ass kind), maybe he'll finally start paying off.

if he can give them 10-15 good minutes a night and come out like young marcus camby (jumping all over the place and blocking stuff) the pistons frontcourt looks great.

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

ok so i bumped up our max teams to 14 (we currently have 10) so there should be room for ya, teeny and yanc3y, and if earl nash, josh love and aaron's friend wanna hop in, we will be rolling 15 deep.

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

ie there will be fights over who gets to draft gerald wallace and doug christie

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

I PREDICT that whoever drafts Al Jefferson will win the league going away.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Please note I also predicted, once upon a time, that the Giants & 49ers would meet in the Super Bowl.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

I call dibs on Vlade Divac and Latrell Spreewell.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

we need a baseball prospectus style predictatron. does anyone know if this exists?

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

ooh good call. don't know.

hey rob and i were thinking once that there should be an I LOVE HOOPS board. whattay'all think?

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

YES

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

do we wanna run it like gygax! runs ILBB? or differently? or what?

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

it should be only about hoops, fashion and hip-hop

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

and cars and sheetrock houses

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

and Ian Ziering going "I LOVE THIS GAME!"

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

if someone sets this up I will contribute, but I don't have mod privileges (and don't want them)

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

i dunno how to do it. you have to be a mod?

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

I don't know! Although I did set up an I LOVE FOOTBALL (soccer) board one time before everyone said "I say, bad show, now all the h00ligans will fl00d the board and we don't want that now, pip pip, sun never sets, don't chew know"

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

i have asked on the moderator board how to do this

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Here's a link to Hollinger's efficiency rankings.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I was going to buy his book for the 2005-06 season but it's $24 so forget it!

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Please note I also predicted, once upon a time, that the Giants & 49ers would meet in the Super Bowl.

I assume you mean the San Francisco Giants.

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

I'd be all for an I Love Basketball board, largely because once this thread drops off New Answers I'm gonna forget it exists, much like this year's college football thread. Not to mention that a Worst Draft Pick Ever thread could make its own gravy - Frederic Weis! (Hell, a Worst Knicks Draft Pick Ever thread, too, for that matter.)

What does Amare's loss mean for the Suns, anyway (besides Marion getting triple-teamed on every possession)? I wonder about Kurt Thomas' efficacy on that team - he'll be a men among walking corpses in Phoenix, as the Parade o' Stiffs includes such luminaries as Pat Burke, Brian Grant, and Paul Shirley.

If there's room for one more in the league before the draft, I'd love an invite, too - danielcohen at gmail. No worries if all the slots are filled.

― d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

the suns were already thin -- what's up with trading BOTH yr two guards, even if each is overrated?? -- and amare's injury puts them at the six seed in the west AT BEST. marion cannot create his own shots and is way too remiss to drive. it's going to be a disappointing year. (i dunno why they thought kurt thomas would fit on that team -- he is by no means a bad player, but an energy guy he is not.)

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

if you want a hoops board post here: I Love Hoops

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

I think the scariest thing about Amare's knee surgery is that it's the same thing that Penny Hardaway, Terrell Brandon, Chris Webber and Allan Houston all had done and, uh, they didn't turn out so good did they?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure why the Suns got rid of so many personnel this season -- I thnk fewer than five players from last year's roster remain. I didn't think they had salary issues -- do they?

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

wow we have to start 2 centers in this league?! Jason Collins gonna be getting some serious burn.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

well, they have both nash and marion committed to max contracts, and they knew they need to do the same for amare. and that is what joe johnson was looking for. AND last season they signed q to a 4 year $50 million deal. so yeah, there were definite money concerns.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I think everyone had Jason Collins at some point last year.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

heh, i wasn't in the league last year, i did another, smaller one with only 1 center, which meant Jason Collins got about as much roster consideration as, well, his brother.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

d.c., just sent you the info

yanc3y did you get in yet? one slot left!

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

that darko dunk is nasty! where did he get those handles?

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

I think if they had anticipated Joe Johnson getting offered a max deal, they wouldn't have traded Q Rich in the first place. And Kurt Thomas+Brian Grant is an attempt at a defensive presence, I think.

Alls I knows is Jim Jackson is going to average at least 15 a game in their starting rotation.

― Its morph 'em to pun cute (Matt Chesnut), Thursday, 20 October 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

fantasy draft results are up. if baron davis stays healthy and kwame brown puts up garnett numbers i should be fine.

― dan (dan), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

I think I got fleeced putting up the auto-draft. But at least I got Manu.

― Its morph 'em to pun cute (Matt Chesnut), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

Hey does anyone want to join another league? i have 8 friends in one league but we need 4 more.
draft in 45 mins

Value
League ID#: 155390
League Name: PASS THE DUTCHIE
Password: ilovephil
Draft Type: Live Draft
Draft Time: Sun Oct 30 5:00pm EST [ Add to My Calendar ]

― phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 30 October 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

VINSANITY

― h. tempererre, Monday, 9 January 2006 06:53 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

KOBE 81 POINTS! WTF

STILL A DOUCHE, THOUGH

― gear (gear), Monday, 23 January 2006 08:08 (twenty years ago)

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