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― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 31 December 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

And yes, it will be our year. Chicago's year. This city fucking rocks, more all the time. I'm excited about watching Trump Chicago rise out of the mud, day by day.

So what are you guys doing for New Years? Who will be kissed, and by whom?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 31 December 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

I think Chicago is on TV tonight, it's okay I guess, why are there so many threads about it?

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 31 December 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

And, oh, this is the song the thread title references. Such a nice little Wes Anderson moment.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 31 December 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

I just realized I can't kiss anybody tonight b/c of my cold. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 31 December 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not going to leave my home till tuesday.

― Jeff-Beetle (Jeff), Saturday, 31 December 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

You'll have to fuck them instead, J.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 31 December 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

A reminder: C4n4st4 at the Beat Kitchen tonight: 6 pm and 10 pm!

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

OH YEAH WELL Fake F1ctions at the Ice Factory tonight at like 11? But you can't get in because it's RSVP-only and it's already full. But if you want to come, give me a call and I'll see if I can get you on the GUEST LIST. ALL YOU CAN DRINK. I think Ben is bringing a FOG MACHINE and STROBE LIGHTS and BUBBLES - seriously. I'm a little worried.

I am paying $133 to get my guitar fixed but I think it might be worth it just to not break a string at every single show.

― n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 31 December 2005 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

hey, how was it guys? n/a, i seem to have lost your email address, email me. or call me. actually calling me is better. john, you too. i want to see you guys before i leave.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 1 January 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah: i have the same number.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 1 January 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, I love this song! It's like the musical equivalent of skipping down a lane, holding hands. Happy 2006, y'all. I think you all probably had a more exciting evening than I did. We didn't kick it very hardcore up in the 60626.
Today I study for comps. Yuck.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Sunday, 1 January 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff and I watched two episodes of Seinfeld and then some local broadcast station's coverage of NYE around Chicago, culminating in a really disjointed musical montage to accompany the fireworks. All in all, a pretty awesome evening.

We're going to Crew right now to watch sports and drink delicious alcoholic beverages and can probably be persuaded to go to other bars, too, if anyone is kicking around looking for some first of the year fun.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 1 January 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

OMG yesterday was the laziest day ever. We watched EIGHT episodes of the fourth season of 24 (the newest one to come out on DVD). That's like 6 hours of TV right there. Other than that, I...paid rent.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 2 January 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, thanks for the txt msg jaymc

Maddie and I are playing hooky tooday!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

Also, NYE was awesome:

ihttp://www.hilltopstudios.net/images/newyear/the%20fake%20fictions.jpg

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 2 January 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

gmorning chicago. it's going to feel like morning all day because of the whole overcast rainy thing and because i am all sleep deprived and want to go back to bed, but i have physical therapy in a little bit, bleah.

this is an article i've been reading from the new yorker online, about the guy who wrote the 'his dark materials' books. haven't read them, but i kinda wonder if i should.

from it:

"Indeed, he once caused a scene in a restaurant when he was retelling the Odyssey to his son Tom, then about five years old. “Every time we went out to dinner, I’d tell it to him in serialized form while we waited for our food to come,” he said. “I’d just gotten to the part where Odysseus has come back home in disguise as an old beggar. Penelope has taken Odysseus’s old bow down and told the suitors that she’ll marry whoever can string it. They all try, but none of them can do it. Then Odysseus picks it up, and he feels it all over—to make sure it’s still good, which it is—and then in one move he strings it. Of course, we know what’s going to happen next—he’s going to use it to kill the suitors—but just before that he plucks it just once, to hear the tone. Tom was so taken with the tension of the moment that he bit a piece out of his water glass. The waitress, who was coming toward us with our food, saw him do it, and she was so startled that she dropped her tray. There was food everywhere! It was chaos.”"

― Juulia (julesbdules), Monday, 2 January 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Great photo, Nick - looks panorama 70mm film-like!

Maybe I'll take that article w/ me to lunch now, Julia - I've got the mag but haven't read it yet...

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 2 January 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and - That was some thunder this morning, eh?

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 2 January 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

I like that pic too. Band photos taken from the front are boring.

I had a great NYE. We went to Mpls, ate seafood gumbo at a friend's house, did a second-line parade around the block at midnight, and then had an 80's r&b dance party until passing out. Then on Sunday morning we made omelettes and ice cream sundaes w/eggnog whipped cream.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 2 January 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Who took tht photo? It's awesome.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 2 January 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

It would make a good inside-jacket or tray photo for the record!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 2 January 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Juan, the new roomie at the Ice Factory, took that pic.

I have a new cell phone. I think I just emailed my new number to all of you, but if you didn't get it and want it then let me know.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

I would like your new number. Even though I don't call you much. By which I mean never.

That doesn't mean I won't call you ever though! I will!

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 07:10 (nineteen years ago)

So, how is everyone? Back at work?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. :(

Playing hooky yesterday was great, though. We cleaned, made a potato/eggs/salami/brie scramble, watched the He-Man & She-Ra Xmas Special, etc.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday. Isn't it?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

I am accidentally playing hooky today.

I overslept. I hate work, and don't want to be there, but I feel like a total asshole for calling in sick.

...which I haven't even done yet, because I am scared.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

XP Amanda: I dunno, I didn't DO anything yesterday besides play about 4 hours of Ecco the Dolphin! And make a Scottish dance fillum for promotional purposes, which was annoying and today I am sore.

Fer pete's sake, Jib, just pick up the phone!

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Scottish dance. Tell me about this. Does it involve a lot of jumping around? If so, that's my kind of dancing.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I probably should, huh.

xpost -- it has swords.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, much jumping -- the higher, the better! And swords, and kilts and kneesocks, and bagpipes, etc etc.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh! Were you dancing or shooting the film? That sounds like fun. I like dancing that involves jumping and kneesocks. All of the talk about ballerinas and dancing has made me sorry that I ever quit*. I love dancing.

*Note- Initially, I quit because my dance teacher was institutionalized. Then I found a new teacher and she made us (me and my two classmates) dance to "Bad Boys" by Gloria Estefan and the shame made me quit again.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Sort of back to work today, in that I'm checking my WORKER JUSTICE, INC email to see how much I've missed and after I do dishes and laundry and shower, I'm heading in to make some phone calls.

But that's not really work since nobody makes me go in there. Well, nobody by my strong comitment to WORKER JUSTICE.

Speaking of things, I am reading Female Chauvanist Pig by Ariel Levy and it's so good and I am almost done with it, so it's a really quick read and if anybody wants to borrow it so I can talk about it with someone, I will totally lend it to you (even mail it to you!).

My school friend was on the fast track to professional ballet dancing for realz (not in the way that people say they were serious but weren't really, but actually danced with companies that were all famous and shit) until she was hospitalized for anorexia. Whoops!

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

I'm back at work. With 416 emails to comb through...

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

... make that 418.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Hi everyone! Happy New Year!

I hope everyone had a lovely weekend. Mine was really nice, for the most part (even in the shadow of annoying things). Leaf's around through this next weekend (& I got my *sexy* New Year's kiss!!!), my computer is broken, John gave me a NYE kiss (maybe I'll get sick now!) & I learned that of the two friends of mine that stayed over this weekend, one of them is an ideal houseguest & the other one I never want to stay with me again.

Anywho . . .

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

I saw some ballet dancing on a tv news show over the holidays. The caption said "Nutcracker", but the music wasn't from the Nutcracker. I think those tight-wearing motherfuckers were just making shit up. Then the camera panned over and showed GWB looking bored and Laura Bush with an eternal plastic smile on her face. It was a deeply unpleasant experience.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I was dancing...really, we were all dancing, it wasn't "shooting the film" so much as "hitting 'Record' on the cam for all the dances you aren't in". I think someone wants to see footage before hiring us so we're putting clips together, which is fine, but we had to be in full costume so I LUGGED all that shit out in the rain last night, which was less fine. Still, getting paid to dance is good!

Amanda, join a country or Highland/step class in your, YES YOUR area!
http://rscds-chicago.org/

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

How were Leaf's exams? Is he recovering/coping nicely?

Now is the time of year where I start obsessively checking to see if my grades have been posted while internally berating myself for caring so much.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hello. I am sleepy and a sickabed. My desk is covered. But yeah, it should be a great year.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny - I checked my grades obsessively too! (I got an A, thank goodness, yay me.)

Laurel - thanks for the info! As a present to myself after graduation in May I'm either going to take a dance class or guitar class. Something tells me that since I stink at guitar playing, I might choose dance.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

He's decidedly more relaxed than I've seen him in ages! It's really nice . . . last night, going to bed was like a squirrel-y, slap-happy slumber party.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Ha!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

. . . last night, going to bed was like a squirrel-y, slap-happy slumber party.

The mind boggles! The heart melts!

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

I am accidentally playing hooky today.

I accidentally played hooky yesterday. As in, I got in today and my boss said, "You know yesterday wasn't a holiday, right?" Oops. Apparently the holiday was on Friday instead. I wondered why no one was here when I was working.

This sort of underscores how uninvested in this job I am, I guess.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

YES PLEASE.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! Did you tell your boss you were there on Friday?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, she knew since I turned in my timesheet!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

To be fair, I got confused because we were given the option to switch if we wanted to -- but I guess we had to file a request to do so, which I didn't.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Haha.

The best part about calling in sick yesterday was that because of my ultra-bassy morning voice, my team lead was all, "yeah, you don't sound so good, go back to bed"!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, John. I will probably finish the book today and give it to you when I see you next. Yay!

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

I had a good talk with Leaf at the bar on New Years (and with Jody, and with lotsa others). Kelsey was crazy on the "dance floor".

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

I wish you didn't have to put dance floor in quotes! By which I mean, I wish there was an actual dance floor and that more people danced. Brian T. said to me at one point, "I just overheard someone say, 'My fondest memories of John are of him dancing at New Year's.'" But he didn't tell me who said it!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

I danced like a lesbian slut!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Leaf said he loved talking with you. He also said, "that Eric is good people."

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

On New Year's Eve I ran naked from a 190+ degree sauna right into a snowbank and then lit off fireworks.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

One of those things that's a little difficult to do in the city...

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

There wasn't enough snow.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, Dan wins.

Maddie has pictures up from our NYE.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, I don't know if lighting off fireworks whilst naked is a good idea.
x-post I was in dance, seriously, and was on pointe and even did a workshop with the Joffrey one summer. I quit because I wanted a social life and the world of dance was starting to weird me out. (A lot of very narrow-minded women who think that reading, music, or believing in any art form outside of CLASSICAL ballet is bizarre. And their attitude toward men was extremely strange, too.)So that thread is pissing me off, basically.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

We just got Female Chauvenist Pig at the library, perhaps I should read it and compare notes with you, Jenny?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Enough Bell's and sauna time and you might even think it's a good idea to put bottle rockets in your butt crack.

Not saying that I did this, but I have witnessed it.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

My friend's flatmate once put out a cigarette on his "nutsack". Needless to say, not a good idea to do on the second thinnest skin on your body.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

...

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

I did see a can of High Life in someone's buttcrack on NYE. And then later the High Life itself.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Jocelyn, I would love to hear what you think of the book. Like I said, it's a really quick read. Not vapid, just not very long.

Youse guys' NYEs were a lot rowdier than our broadcast tv-fest...

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

And their attitude toward men was extremely strange, too.

Do tell.

the second thinnest skin on your body

Wait, what's the first?

Also, not to be Mr.-I-Question-People's-Use-of-Quotes today, but there's nothing wrong with saying "nutsack." (I get to use the quotes because I'm talking about it as a word.) It's a sack full of nuts: what's not clear about that?

Man, ILX 2006 is all about grammar/linguistics/usage, huh?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Eyelids! (I knew you would ask, j) I used quotes around nutsack to indicate that it was burned man's choice of words, not mine. I don't think I've ever said the word nutsack in seriousness.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

I wondered if it was eyelids! Or at least that would've been my guess.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

I just ate a deli sandwich that redeemed my day.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://marysholidaysps.com/more/F014.jpg

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

I just gleeked all over my keyboard.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

I hope that's a salt and pepper shaker.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

This quote from Erica Jong at the end of Female Chauvinist Pigs sums up the overall theme nicely, I think:

Erica Jong's Fear of Flying introduced Americans to the idea that a woman might desire a consequence-free "zipless fuck." "I had to create the zipless fuck to rebel against my fifties upbrining," she said. "I told my daughter the other day, 'Your generation does it; my generation just talked about it.' I look at my daughter and her friends in their twenties and they are reveling in their sexuality. They don't feel guilty, and why should they? Men never did. Right now, they're young and beautiful and full of energy and they don't necessarily want to have a relationship, or even necessarily have a guy stay the whole night!
"But I would be happier if my daughter and her friends were crashing through the glass ceiling instead of the sexual ceiling," Jong continued. "Being able to have an orgasm with a man you don't love or having Sex and the City on television, that is not liberation. If you start to think about women as if we're all Carrie on Sex and the City, well, the problem is: You're not going to elect Carrie to the Senate or to run your company. Let's see the Senate fifty percent female; let's see women in decision-making positions - that's power. Sexual freedom can be a smoke-screen for how far we haven't come."

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmmm. While I think the conversation about feminism will be energizing, I have a feeling the conversation about all the crazy wild sex my female peers are having (not with me) will be depressing.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

aren't most of your female peers in LTRs?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Are you referring to reading the book or talking about it? Levy's whole point in the book is to deconstruct the idea that crazy, wild porn star and stripper-style sex is the only way that women can be powerful, liberated, and sexy. She does not do this by talking about how satisfying and awesome crazy, wild, porn-star sex is.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Thank goodness.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Reading the book. I'm using "conversation" to mean "discourse." As in a "cultural conversation."

I'm also using "female peers" to mean "women my age, everywhere."

And even if Levy doesn't say that all this crazy sex is a good thing (I am in fact aware of what the book is about), sex is still sex.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

it sounds like a good book.

nobody actually wants to be like carrie in sex and the city, do they? she annoys the shit out of me.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

JAYMC IS PRO-RAUNCH FEMINISM

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, that would kind of defeat her point.

The proposition that having the most simplistic, plastic stereotypes of female sexuality constantly reiterated throughout our culture somehow proves that we are sexually iberated and personally empowered has been offered to us, and we have accepted it. But if we think about it, we know this just doesn't make any sense. It's time to stop nodding and smiling uncomfortably as we ignore the crazy feeling in our heads and admit that the emperor has no clothes.
Many women today, whether they are fourteen or forty, seem to have forgotten that sexual power is only one, very specific kind of power. And what's more, looking like a stripper or a Hooters waitress or a Playboy bunny is only one, very specific kind of sexual expression. Is it the one that turns us -- or men -- on the most? We would have to stop endlessly reenacting this one raunchy script in order to find out.
We have to ask ouselves why we are so focused on silent girly-girls in G-strinkgs faking lust. This is not a sign of progress, it's a testament to what's still missing from our understanding of human sexuality with all of its complexity and power. We are still so uneasy with the vicissitudes of sex we need to surround ourselves with caricatures of female hotenss to safely conjure up the concept "sexy." When you think about it, it's kind of pathetic. Sex is one of the most interesting things we as humans have to play with, and we've reduced it to polyester underpants and implants. We are selling ourselves unbelievably short.

Anyway, John, I'm done reading it and will still lend it to you if you're still interested. And I've only seen Sex in the City once, just partially, and I found every character, male and female, so irritating that I have actively avoided it ever since.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Oh God, Sex and the City appalls me. I've only seen one episode, but I hate the very idea of it. But this has less to do with feminism and more to do with my whole beef with treating relationships as games to manipulate and navigate and the opposite sex as this monolithic mystery.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

What little I've seen of the show, I agree. She's a very annoying character (with bad taste in men!). I guess I'm confused about this book (as I haven't read it & I'm skimming posts today). Is it primarily about women & sex?

Also, am I old-fashioned in my thinking that half the women "out there" in the world dress like tarts?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I still am interested in the book, btw. I am just laying bare my sexual insecurities so that some kind woman will eventually take pity on me and then, hopefully, fuck me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

STOP MANIPULATING WOMEN

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

(okay, I'll stop now)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

you should aim for a cultivated fuck instead of a pity fuck.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I honestly don't think I've seen enough S&tC to have a feminist opinion on it. My distaste is more along the lines of what John said, and because they were all so horrifically shallow that I found them more apalling than entertaining.

I don't have time to devote an hour a week to watching a show about characters that I consistently hope will be hit by busses.

xpost: It's about whether "raunch culture," ie strip clubs, Girls Gone Wild, teenagers who dress like whores, and women who pursue quantity over quality in their sex lives, is appropriately lauded as the next logical step in female empowerment. The short answer is "no," but the discussion is very worthwhile.

Also, no, Kelsey. You're not old-fashioned. Just observant. She talks about this in a chapter about teenaged girls and the confusing messages of abstinence only sex ed and the media's elevation of raunch culture as totally awesome.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan - ha ha!

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

A "cultivated fuck" makes me think that I am going to be tending some sort of garden.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

A secret garden, even...

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

S&tC is stupid -- seriously stupid -- but at least there are moments when it acknowledges that all most people really want, deep down, no matter who they are or what they say they want, is to be loved. The various ways people go about achieving this goal can be embarrassing, disgusting or humiliating, but isn't that what people are aiming for, in the end? Maybe I'm naive. I know that I occasionally dress like a bit of a tart.

I also haven't seen the show more than a handful of times.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

NANCY FRIDAY TO THREAD.

Hm, XP. Or not.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Awesome.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

The short answer is "no," but the discussion is very worthwhile.

Ok, I'll go ahead and be the asshole and ask -- why?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

I find S&TC appalling as well, mostly because these highly successful women spend all their time moaning about relationships instead of doing anything useful in NYC. That said, I've only seen it twice.
I know that I also dress like a bit of a tart, but that's more for my own fun & pleasure, or my partner's, then for the general public.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I find S&tC feeds into the myth of if someone dresses and acts the right way, then they will nab their ideal man, damn the consequences.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I think the distinction she is drawing is between occasionally dressing like a tart (or like a Hooters waitress or a stripper) because it's fun and you like to do that as an overall part of your sexual pursuits, which is just great, and the idea that the only way to be sexy is to wax your pubes into a landing strip and expose your thong above your low-rise jeans, which is limiting.

Keenan... because deconstructing media and cultuer-generated ideas of what behaviors, sexual or otherwise, are acceptible for women (or men or homos or black people or lawyers or wahtever) is always generally worthwhile, I think. Otherwise, you're just thoughtless adopting the persona or whatever other people tell you to adopt.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I never watched SATC much either, but I mind the relationship moaning less than I mind the completely unlikely million-dollar wardrobes.

Now I'm interested in knowing what earthy Chicago pop gurls think of as "tarty"!!

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

This book is being routed back to the library at the moment, I will check it out as soon as possible. I think the one review I read did not understand Levy's points at all, because it made her sound very stodgy and anti- sex out in the open, which from what Jenny has said, is not the point at all.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think she's very pro-sex, and that's why she's so disturbed by the whole thing.

Ummm... I would classify Paris Hilton as tarty. Or small tank tops with those really super low-rise miniskirts that expose thong (or not, actually). Or any outfit in which the exposure of underpants is an intergral part. Unless you are Madonna circa 1989 - 90.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

"earthy Chicago pop gurls"

I want to object to that, but I don't think I could without lying to myself.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even know what "earthy Chicago pop gurls" means!

Hey: what's the line on Katie Roiphe? I haven't read anything she's written, apart from a Slate article or two, but I have trouble figuring out her brand of feminism. At first I thought she was a paleolithic family-values type, but lately it seems like maybe she's more in the Camille Paglia mold. Anyone?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

But no, wait! If you feel like objecting to it, then I owe you an apology. So, um, sorry! But I *like* all the qualities described therein, I really do.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

That would be the first time anyone has ever called me "earthy"!

I guess I'm not tarty according to what Jenny said: exposure of underwear is not acceptable unless it's a bra that accidentally shows through my shirt or something.

I just like wearing dresses, skirts, things that *fit* as opposed to things that sag and bag and make me look schlumpy/dumpy/frumpy. My model is somewhere between the fictional characters of Shirley Feeney and Audrey Horne and my mom. I've carried a purse since I was 11.

Lately I've been more of a slob, but in a perfect world, my shit would be tight and it would match.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

I just like wearing dresses, skirts, things that *fit* as opposed to things that sag and bag and make me look schlumpy/dumpy/frumpy.

This is hardly tarty.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but there was a time when it felt that way.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

underwear exposure is a biggie for me. especially in women under the age of 16. combine underwear exposure with midriff & lotsa boobage & you've got yerself a tart. I don't mind people dressing sexy AT ALL. I have, myself, aimed to dress sexy. Sometimes sexy can be tart-ISH but overall, i'd say our culture tends to favor (sadly) a very in-your-face version of what sexy is. as in paris hilton will always be sexier than someone like selma hayek or susan sarandon.
has anyone seen the movie, "forget paris?" it's kinda sweet & there's this one moment where billy crystal's character is trying to make some jizz & the thing he wants to "help" is a video clip of mary tyler moore dancing in The Dick Van Dyke Show. For him, her dancing is sexier than any porn rag they have in the provided room. I've seen the scene he's talking about & she is sexy, but it's a more subtle sexy.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

i'm rambling there. i must add, though, that i think amanda is hardly in danger of being a tart.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I've always favored a very primitive meaning of the word "tart." The clothing described by Jenny and Kelsey above seems more "slutty."

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

slutty it is then!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

"make some jizz"

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Tarty = suggestive, flirty, slyly provocative
slutty = paris hilton

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

i suppose i could've said, "produce come/cum" . . .

I've been using tart lately as something synonymous with slutty. I suppose I should alter my old ways, uh?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

What turns into a problem is when young people think that midriff exposure is "subtle" and "sly." I think that's our problem here -- I've seen girls who think they're merely "making the most of their assets" but to my eyes, they look like hookers.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, you know, I was going to say that my descrip applies more, in my imagination, to Jenny & Kels and poss to Sarah (more on the P!O!P! there, less on the earthy), and yet somehow not to Amanda! Who, btw I don't really HAVE a visual image of, somehow!

So um, I went clothes shopping over the holidays and ended up with several, mostly pencil-skirted, outfits that suggest I take excellent dictation, and at one point my sister actually complained that a secretary shouldn't LOOK like she puts out, even if she does. So that's about as tarty as I get, I guess. Maybe that particular skirt should go back to the store?

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

oh hell no!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Keep it! And wear it with a ruffly top. Wheee. You can look at my flickr page, Laurel. I'm all over it.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hot secretaries are hot.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

xp pencil skirts are great!

if you have the kind of clothing that you're often in danger of falling out of, i don't see how you can possibly see that as subtle.

i have had this problem with shopping for a long time--i like interesting necklines that are low without being all HELL-O CLEAVAGE. and i swear, they're waaay too often either super low like that or middle-aged-woman-frumpy-modest. (yes i like to hyphenate)

i had all these things to say about s&tc and feminism but this thread gets so xposty!

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

I thought I saw you in Myopic books yesterday, Amanda. But I wasn't sure at all.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! That wasn't me. I didn't leave the house yesterday except to go out to eat with Dan.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

were you there, amanda? i was there on saturday!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

oops!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

I like to sport the "hot secretary" look. But not the stomach and public underwear and you can tell I wax my pubic area look.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

(Psst, Amanda -- how do I find you on flickr?)

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

looky looky

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe I forgot about the antler photo. Stupid stupid.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Wayback xpost to Laurel - no apologies! My knee-jerk objection reaction is more about a knee-jerk reaction to perceived classification. After I thought about it (and looked down at what I was wearing, including purple pants and purple sneakers and no make-up) I realized what you said was not only unobjectionable, but also pretty right.

I *heart* the naughty (not slutty!) secretary look. I often strive to dress like a naughty librarian, to varying degrees of success. Pencil skirts = CLASSIC!

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

Naughty librarian might be my favorite look.

Well, it's up there, at least.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

I am all about the naughty librarian. Ask... well, not anybody, but several people.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

Just thinking of the naughty librarian look makes me glow.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Can someone describe this look to me? Are we basically talking about girls with glasses? I know what you're talking about, but how does it differ from "sexy secretary"?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

I think it is the same as sexy secretary.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

I think the naughty librarian and sexy secretary are interchangeable. It would take quite the keen(an) eye to tell the difference.

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

A sexy secretary is shuffling papers around, a sexy librarian is shuffling books around.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

i think of kitty from arrested development when i think of the sexy secretary look. which probably isn't entirely accurate.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

i would venture to say that a sexy librarian requires glasses whereas a sexy secretary doesn't need them.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

A sexy librarian is smarter.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

The sexy secretaries and librarians of yore were pretty much drawn off the same pool of unmarried women who specialized in being organized and knowledgeable and making things function correctly from behind the scenes. Secretaries slightly sexier/creepier by virtue of being expected to be various degrees of attractive in order to represent their employer's prowess (I can't even be bothered to unpack this, do it yourself) to his peers/clients.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

"Sexy secretary" makes me think of someone taking a memo in a short skirt (and all the patriarchy that implies), while a sexy librarian would recommend a dirty book with a glint in her eye.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Is it necessary for naughty librarians to wear their hair up for the purpose of letting it down?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

Sexy librarians are more prim and less revealing (on the surface, at least).

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc: i just emailed you something kinda urgent. It's not really that urgent, but it feels urgent.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

xpost yesss. But not school marm-ish. No, that wouldn't be sexy, now would it?

Is it necessary for naughty librarians to wear their hair up for the purpose of letting it down?

Only in 80's teen movies and shampoo commercials.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

Can there be a sexy schoolmarm?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

i also have always thought that a sexy secretary would know that she was sexy & "work it" a bit & a sexy librarian would not be aware of her sex appeal (which only makes her more appealing).

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

Note: I know what a sexy librarian/secretary is -- what I wonder is how they differ from "attractive, smart, nicely-dressed woman in glasses."

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

a sexy librarian would not be aware of her sex appeal (which only makes her more appealing).

This is key.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking from the point of view of traditional roles for women, a school marm could not be sexy because she would be too maternal. Women can be sexual (the whore Mary Magdalene) or saintly mothers (Mary Mother of God) but not both.

Also, school teacher was a career traditionally reserved for "old maids" who were by definition frigid, virginal, and burdensome to their families.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda is correct. It is not your occupation that makes you either of these things.

Women can be sexual (the whore Mary Magdalene) or saintly mothers (Mary Mother of God) but not both.

This is wildly Freudian, and I reject it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Ouch.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, I wasn't trying to explain either. I'm just sort of trying to work out more differences between the two.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

I still maintain there's something about the specific roles, Amanda, something about working behind a desk > connotes authority & forces viewers to keep their distance, and about using that authority to enforce library quiet/boss's meeting schedule. A good library and a good secretary both brook no disagreement. A librarian is maybe allowed to be shorter tempered about it, since she's not slotted so neatly into the patriarchal order.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ouch.

No, I think Jenny rejects it, too. Remember, she's speaking from the vantage of "traditional" roles.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

"A good librarian and a good secretary both brook no disagreement." Soz.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, I think this is the same semantic catagorization debate of the "are you a pirate or a ninja" (the pirate/ninja conversation engulfed an entire evening of dinner and drinks with some of my worker justice cronies, despite all of us being intelligent and socially aware people with a lot more pressing things to talk about) or "what genre is *insert obscure genre-defying indie rock band here*" sort.

xpost: Oh lord yes, I reject that. I also don't think school teachers are old maids. Since we were pigeonholing female sexual archetypes anyway, I thought I'd take it all the way.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://frenchfilms.topcities.com/1973_La_maman_et_la_putain.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

It's odd how often the Madonna/Whore dichotomy still comes up, though. It always struck me as more than a little misogynistic.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

Wait wait wait, is this pirate-ninja thing an actual thing? A meme, if you will? I thought Laurel made that up. (I heard about first from her, downstairs at Rothko.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I don't mean to be argumentative -- I just wonder because I find myself wondering why I, me, myself never felt capable of being "sexy librarian" and whether or not it had to do with a) not having glasses b) not having a thick mane of hair to unleash c) not being a librarian or d) something else, something intangible.

Pirate? Ninja?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, you are clearly a ninja. This makes your librarian status irrelevant.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I have to credit a female friend of mine with pirate/ninja, actually, and I have no idea where she got it or if it was just in the zeitgeist (but she does have friends in Chicago!). Before that, it was "who would win a fight between a monkey and a robot?"

As we asked it, the full question is, "Would you rather be a pirate or a ninja, and why?"

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

IIRC, I said "pirate." I prefer to revel in the glory of my deeds.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Sexy secretaries are very well put together, with slick eyewear and expensive stockings and a vibe of total control and confidence. Sexy librarians are more vulnerable, complete with slightly unflattering eyewear and long luxurious hair piled into a sloppy bun from which tantalizing wisps escape, hinting at the raw sexual energy pent up within this reserved, shy, bookish creature, waiting to be unleashed in one fierce, maddened torrent. Librarian = more madonna / secretary = more whore.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

pirate vs. ninja vs. monkey vs. robot

xpost!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

astronaut vs. caveman

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm a ninja. Why? Because they're stronger than they look.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Also, nabisco OTM.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

OTM in 2006: The Nabisco Story

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Awkward Bun: The Sexy Librarian Story

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Film poll voting ends tonight, peeps!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Do you want to argue about The Company on this thread or the other one?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to Kenan: I don't think it's odd. It's more than 2006 years old, so it would make sense that one generation's attempt to redefine gender roles wouldn't eradicate it.

xpost to Amanda: Ariel Levy would say that it's just not the kind of role-playing that gets your engine revving, and that it's A-OK.

xpost to John: Beats me. My "boss" here asked me one day if I thought I was a pirate or a ninja and then we spent the rest of the evening working out the finer distinctions between the two and determining what category everyone we knew fell into. It was determined that I am sort of a creeper pirate, in that I appear ninja-like until you get to know me at which point I put a knife in my teeth and swing across the deck. Or something.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

John, I think I hated The Company for reasons outside of the film itself, namely that it should have been a documentary starring the actual Joffrey 2 company rather than Neve "Can't dance well, not really" Campbell. Using the Joffrey dancers as back-up to Neve was insulting, I thought.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, Jay, practically no one answers "ninja" because, let's face it, people want to drink rum in the hot sun and dance on the foscle while waving a scimitar. I prefer to hone my skills to a fine degree, enduring rigorous training & years of apprenticeship (obv, since I stayed in publishing -- feh), then strike from the darkness and melt back into shadow to strike again another day.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny, who is this "boss"? J0se 0liva?

― the quotes again! (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, I can see your point. I didn't even know until earlier today that you once studied there. I actually really enjoyed the blend of fictional and documentary elements.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm a ninja, because you get the confidence that comes from being able to take care of business with stealth and deadliness, but without the social stigma attached to piracy.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

I answered ninja because I'm not much of a rum-swiller and pirates are sort of gross and dirty. I would rather be a clean, swift, lithe ninja.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yay, my first two ninjas ever!

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to have to go with pirate because: 1. I love boats and 2. I am too big and clumsy to ever be a ninja.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Johann - yes, that "boss." I put it in quotes because I don't really have much of a boss at all, but he runs the place sort of.

We determined that Er1c4, whom you may or may not know, is also a ninja.

Ninjas do seem like they would smell better than pirates. Hmmm.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I know this Er1c4.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

Unless she is the lesbian drummer for 0ff1ce.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

They can't smell bad, or else they would be DETECTED.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

She is not a lesbian drummer. She is a straight worker rights advocate.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think the lesbian drummer would win.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

In a drumming or box-eating contest, probably yes. Not so much in a labor and employment law trivia showdown, I would imagine.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha -- jenny, you funny.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, true. But who would win if it was lesbian drummer vs. robot? And are you more of a straight pirate rights advocate or a lesbian worker rights ninja?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

lesbian drummer vs. robot

It's like "Devil Went Down to Georgia," only very, very different.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

I sat down the other day to really figure this thing out. Here, so far as I can remember, is the timeline for the 21st century to date:

A- Robot hegemony
B- Monkey comeback
C- Re-established robot hegemony
D- Zombie revolution (zombies in, robots out)
E- Failed undercurrent of pirate
F- Wizard remains confined to child-fan ghetto
G- Ninja resurgence
H- Cowboys

Predictions:

I- Ghost comeback
J- Cowboy oversaturation
K- Brief ninja dominance
L- Ill-advised mummy craze
M- Biker resurgence
N- Flickering monkey-comeback
O- Total biker hegemony

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

roffle

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

That reads like a strikingly accurate breakdown, but I see a vampire renaissance between Land M.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Pardon me, that should be "jester / harlequin," not "biker."

"Biker" will enjoy a brief vogue right around the same time as the retro-90s "alien" revival.

You're right, I forgot vampire! Also werewolf, which I think will definitely have a BIG moment around 2009 or so.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

Nabs, I'll see you that list and raise you a pirate robot:

http://static.flickr.com/38/81730333_26e7f18203.jpg

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Which reminds me: Jay, tell your brother to look at http://www.jesserinyu.net/ for robots and to spare.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Totally ninja. I'm a more introverted type than a carousing pirate, plus I like all the neat ninja martial arts tricks, like exploding fans and stuff. Less likely to get leg blown off my a cannon. Although pirates have SEA SHANTIES.

― jocie, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

I am, despite my aspirations for ninja-dom, doomed to be a pirate. I want nothing more than to be sleek and fast and good at jumping across the roof-tops, fighting so hard, and yet: I actually just loaf around, drunk, singing songs from the mizzen.

(ps - ninja v. pirate is a turn of the century internet meme)

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.realultimatepower.com

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

excuse me:

http://www.realultimatepower.net/

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Facts:

1. Ninjas are mammals.

2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.

3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

geez, that;s sort of 2000

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

(ps - ninja v. pirate is a turn of the century internet meme)

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

^^^

-- gbx (in....), January 3rd, 2006 7:08 PM. (skowly) (later) (link)

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

Going to the bar on the way home from yoga class for the second week in a row: C or D.

Nabisco = brilliant, even if I am sad about the fate of wizards. Note: I went to see Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire yesterday and I LOVED IT.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, we just watched Sheriff! It was really good! I never thought I would have positive or even complex feelings for a southern redneck police officer, but here I am kind of admiring that dude. Driving himself out of the woods with a smashed in face is pretty badass. I want to see the uncut version, because my only beef was that it was too short.

Good job, Dan! Thanks for telling us about it, Amanda!

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'll be seeing a TiVo'd version of Sheriff soon.

I think it's important to the mythology that the librarian, unlike the secretary and the milliner's assistant, has no boss present most of the time. Someone manages the librarian, but from afar.

Funny that all this came up a day after I got around to reading my copy of Katha Pollitt's book of essays from the early 90's, 'Reasonable Creatures', which has quite a few novel insights into the culture wars of that time, including an essay on Katie Rophie's first book about the myth and reality of date rape and sexual harrassment - in a broad way, John, you're right that she could be aligned with Paglia pretty easily.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 07:06 (nineteen years ago)

Hey.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

hi guys. i bought some new headphones with this "noise canceling" device on them -- a christmas present to myself -- and i'm pleased to report that they work really well! in the tunnel i only had the volume about 2/3 where i normally have it and i could hear a WHOLE LOT better. i was listening to something pretty quiet too. thumbs up, sony.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

We taped Sheriff because it was past Nick's bedtime. :-D So we'll watch it tonight.

Last night I had some weird dreams. In one, I was watching a mostly forgotten movie from the late 70s starring Terry Garr, the main guy from Cocoon, and Andy Griffith, with my family. In the movie, they made a reference to another movie Andy Griffith wasn't really in, which was mostly biographical. In THAT movie, it ends with Andy jacking off in front of a tv in a lonely hotel room. THE END.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yay! I hope you enjoy it. I can't tell you how exciting it was to see it on TEEVEE!!

Isn't that how Jack Kerouac died? Wanking in a recliner or something?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

I also must say I'm totally over both ninjas and pirates, though if I were forced to choose one, I'd go with pirate.

I consider myself a librarian-cum-secretary. Of course, I actually worked in a library and am now pretty much a secretary, but you know it means so much more than that.

xpost - dunno, Amanda

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

I loved Sheriff!

Also, I'm getting new glasses today!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I need new glasses really bad. And contacts.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

I got some of those, too! The new glasses are, not-so-surprisingly, blue.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Kelsey, You always look cute in your glasses, but you look really cute with your contacts on your new flickr pix too! Seeing them made me want contacts really bad, but I've tried them THREE different times in my life, and all three times they ended up being little raisins in my medicine cabinet because I couldn't get my eyes to relax.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Sheriff was on tv??

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah! I only yammered on about it last week -- I was afraid of overkilling you guys, so I didn't want to mention it again. And again. And again. Check pbs.org -- it's on the front page!!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Sarah! I used to wear contacts way back when, but once I started college, I switched back to glasses. ever since then, it's been hard for me to take wearing them (contacts) all day w/o getting irritated. the contacts i got recently were more for when i work out/ride bike/just feel like not wearing glasses & they're pretty comfy. they have a 12 hour life span, so i can throw them out regularly (helps with the paranoia i have about deposits on old lenses). we'll see . . . maybe i'll end up switching over to contacts more permanently.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

"librarian-cum-secretary"

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda yammered on about Sheriff, and I still forgot to watch it. I'm not sure my TV actually gets reception, though. Sometimes FOX is fuzzy. Is it on again at any time, do you know? Or is there a DVD of it? I threw out my VCR when I moved.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

i dreamt i got new glasses but they were huuuge and with that double bridge thing and really really ugly, so i went back to my regular ones.

i'd bought some noise cancelling headphones over the summer (the panasonic ones), and they didn't work for my purposes at all (noisy neighbors). but i gave them to my ex and he loves them--they're great for loud, consistant noise i guess.

i prefer ninja. and librarian. i wonder if i could be both.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, if you can get us a sweet DVD deal, there will be a DVD. Until then, no. With any luck, that will be forthcoming. It was on WTTW (Ch. 11) at 10pm last night and will be on at 3:30AM tonight (aka, tomorrow morning 1/5).

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

john, you're up at that ungodly hour, aren't you?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

God, sometimes. But not tonight, hopefully. I've made a New Year's resolution to get to bed before 2.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I quit smoking!

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Leaf is throwing away our New Year's pack today! I am so sick of smoking!

Also, should i be worried if my chest hurts slightly?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Good for everyone quitting! I still have a few packs at home. I might still have a couple tomorrow night, b/c I'm going out with Pat L0b0yk0. But after that NO MORE. And I'll give my Camels to Renee.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

My friend just put up a quiz about whether she should have a pirate or ninja themed wedding. Synchronicity?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I smoked a joint that was supposedly several weeks old on NYE and it made my chest hurt a little. But that went away. Cigarettes always make me hurt.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm hoping that's all it is.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

I saw a carton of cigarettes the other day and it cost $53.99. Whoa. That's a lot.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Nick and I felt like hell all Sunday thanks to 2nd hand smoke at the party/show.

Speaking of smoking, 2 ladies were in front of me in line the other night buying cigs when I went to the corner store to get some ginger ale. They were both probably in their late 40s and sounded horrible. One of them, in the worst Patty/Selma voice ever said, "OH MY GOD. $6 these days for a pack of cigarrettes? I'm gonna quit this year, I tell you. It's my resolution."

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, how was the Ice Factory show? Apart from "awesome"? I want more details.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, that voice. Christ. The tobacco industry is so depressing.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Um, well, there were lots and lots of people there. We played from 11 until around 11:45 or so. Then the next band set up, the Ice Factory dudes did the countdown, and then that band played. Then there was a dj, who was fun, though I thought too many of his songs were big commercial hits and a bit outdated. Nick would have done a great job mixing in some hipper-than-thou stuff. ha ha

I thought we played really well. I wore a crazy vintage dress and sparkley tights and my tall boots, as evidenced by photos. Nick wore a t-shirt with a built in tie, which is always classy. Ben bought a special psychedellic light for the occasion, but they ended up facing it down towards the dancefloor instead. We strung lights all over the stage and put our name on the drums, though it peeled off pretty soon after we started. Nick was his usual jerk rocker self. I didn't talk much at all, but I did try VERY HARD to strike poses and look cool.

THE END

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Awesome.

though I thought too many of his songs were big commercial hits and a bit outdated

Yes, but this is what you want for NYE, isn't it? After doing all of the 2005 hits before midnight, this is what my iPod tells me I played:

Prince, "Sexy M.F."
a-ha, "Take on Me"
Beyonce, "Crazy in Love"
Britney Spears, "Toxic"
The Darkness, "I Believe in a Thing Called Love"
Justin Timberlake, "Rock Your Body"
Michael Jackson, "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough"
Amerie, "1 Thing"
Basement Jaxx, "Red Alert"
Cornershop, "Brimful of Asha"
Deee-Lite, "Groove is in the Heart"
Bell Biv Devoe, "Poison"
Franz Ferdinand, "Take Me Out"
The Killers, "Somebody Told Me"
M.I.A., "Galang"
Missy Elliott, "Work It"
Nelly, "Hot in Herre"
OutKast, "B.O.B."
R. Kelly, "Ignition (Remix)"
Right Said Fred, "I'm Too Sexy"
Kelly Clarkson, "Since U Been Gone"
ABBA, "Dancing Queen"
Violent Femmes, "Blister in the Sun"
Usher, "Yeah!"
Thomas Dolby, "She Blinded Me with Science"
Tears for Fears, "Everybody Wants to Rule the World"
Talking Heads, "Once in a Lifetime"
Soft Cell, "Tainted Love"
Salt N Pepa, "Push It"

Then the bar closed, so the world was spared RuPaul, which was cued up for next.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

(FYI: There was no attempt at any kind of flow. I didn't know we'd have stereo access, so I just made a couple of quick and dirty playlists on the spot once I got there.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

(Haha, you can tell that I scrolled down through my Artists alphabetically.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

You make a good point. HOWEVER, this guy started off his set with HEY YEAH, which I thought was a really bad first move. I mean, it's awkwardly old, isn't it? He might as well have played ALL STAR. Ok, that would have been a little worse.

But also, you mixed in Basement Jaxx and MIA, which are at least a little more recent and a little more obscure.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

Never trust a big butt and a smile.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with you about "Hey Ya!"

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I agree about Hey Ya too. That's sort of a faux pas -- to start off with a song that's widely regarded as past its prime and hardly ripe for a comeback.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Morning guys. Jaymc, your pop music is silly.

Just kidding. It's just that I'm in another one of my Jazz Holes -- one of those months where I listen to nothing but jazz. Over the past two days, I have downloaded:

Thelonious Monk - The Complete Riverside Recordings (15 discs)
John Coltrane - The Complete Atlantic Recordings (8 discs)
John Coltrane Quartet - The Complete Impulse! Studio Recordings (8 discs)
four Miles Davis albums, all from the Second Quintet
Monk and Coltrane Live at Carnegie Hall
bunch of Wes Montgomery

and just for flavor, two Can albums and some Beefheart, which works nicely as a break from jazz, since it's not much of a break. It's nice having a big hard drive.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

John, I loved your mix! I thought it was perfect for the evening!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

I am a rockist by day and an electrolite by night. I made up that last one. I am usually only in the mood these days for rock music or something along the lines of Out Hud or Basement Jaxx.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, any of that sounds better than the music at the NYE party I went to. My friend Andy (who I love to death, bless his terrible taste) got his iPod hooked up and played lots of crappy hippy music. That was the definite low point (probably why I spent so much time in the sauna and blowing up fireworks.)

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

B-but a sauna and fireworks sound fun!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, srsly!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, it was! The soundtrack could have been lots better is all.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry I missed Sheriff...the only other showing listed on the PBS site is Friday night at 10 pm. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

No biggie -- hopefully there will be a DVD deal soon and everyone can watch it over and over and over...without the blobs over the criminals' faces.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

You can take the blobs out for a DVD?!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Well, maybe not. It depends. The blobs were out when it was going through the festival circuit, but I'm not really sure. I think I've established today, beyond doubt, that I'm a bit of an airhead.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, full on airhead.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm ok with that.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

There are some good tunes in here, jaymc.

I thought the iPod dance party we had on NYE was awesome, and here are some of the tunes I can remember:

Gap Band, "Outstanding"
Cameo, "Word Up"
Sheila E., "The Glamorous Life"
Michael Jackson, "Remember the Time"
Janet Jackson, "If"
Prince, "Darling Nikki"
Mary J. Blige, "Family Affair"
Mystikal, "Shake Ya Ass"
Pointer Sisters, "Automatic"
Mystikal, "Bouncin' Back"
Pharell, "Frontin'"
Outkast, "HEY YA" (I agree that opening with it is a cheap and crass move, but busting it out after an hour of deep cuts was great)

I cleared the floor with "Get Your Freak On" and "B.O.B.". :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, you're a jazzhole.

(I'm in a jazz phase too, I've been trying to get to the record store to spend a gift certificate on some new shit.)

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Mary J. Blige, "Family Affair"
Mystikal, "Shake Ya Ass"

Coincidentally, I just downloaded both of these last night. My goal was to own the top 10 Pazz & Jop singles for each year of this decade. You know what's a good song that I had never actually heard, despite reading about it all the time? Tweet's "Oops (Oh My)."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Pointer Sisters, "Automatic"
Awesome.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, you're a jazzhole.

haha

thanks, i think.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Did you know that D1gdown has a version of that song on our last cd, Amanda?

"Family Affair" is unstoppable.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

NO MORE DRAMA

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

No way. I wanna hear it in this danceree.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

This new Strokes album I'm now listening to is weird. The last song featured hot-shit, Eastern-flavored guitar pyrotechnics that sounded like System of a Down, while the next song is just Julian and a solo cello.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Well, maybe not. It depends. The blobs were out when it was going through the festival circuit, but I'm not really sure. I think I've established today, beyond doubt, that I'm a bit of an airhead.

I want to see if the guy in his undies is a relative.

― Jeff-Beetle (Jeff), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

His name is Rodn3y Sugg5 -- and last we heard (earlier this year, I think) he was on the lam, escaped on bail.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

I was joking, mostly, but I do know several people with that last name. I'll ask around. Maybe i can hold him down till sheriff gets there.

― Jeff-Beetle (Jeff), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

This new Strokes album I'm now listening to is weird.

But is it any good?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

'Cause the last one was crap-ola.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

A couple of the songs are all right, but it's a wearying listen. I never heard Room on Fire, apart from "12:51."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Their last one was their best one, in my opinion. I haven't listened to the new one enough.

― Jeff-Beetle (Jeff), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

I like the first one. A lot. The second had no sing-along choruses. Boooo.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Do any of you habitual downloaders ever think about how much you really download, and what it's worth? I know there are threads for this, but just as an aside. I have downloaded way more than a month's rent worth of music in th last two weeks.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

I picked up my new glasses & the frames are actually black! BLACK! I thought they were blue! They do appear blue-ish b/c the backside of the frames is a bright turquoise . . . but still. Black!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

So dramatic!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

If I had my digital camera at work, I'd snap a photo!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

This is why I don't download that much. Talk to Jeffy.

Also, this doesn't have much to do with money, but I got antsy last night when I was downloading things like "Yellow."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

The new Strokes album is weird. I can't make up my mind about it, and I really liked their last one.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I don't download anything. I got a $15 i-tunes gift card from my sister's boyfriend, but I can't remember our aol/apple password/login so I can't use it yet. :-( I plan to (eventually) just download one song by 15 different artists I've been interested in.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yesterday I woke up before dawn and decided to go to the gymm and exercise, during those 6 a.m.-ish hours when the video channels show actually show videos. Madonna's "Hung Up" was pretty great, both the song and the video. I saw both videos for Kanye's "Heard 'Em Say" (Michel Gondry's more narrative one and the one with Bill Plympton animation - the former on MTV2 and the latter on MTV). Mariah was all over all three channels and I had to keep switching because it's a ballad and of no us.

'Is This It?' is about as good a treadmill record as any.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Typoa, typoa.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Mariah is not one of us. hee hee

You know, I REALLY appreciate having health insurance. That said, Insurance companies/hospital billing departments/doctor's office are a THORN IN MY SIDE. It seems like every time I go to a doctor, I end up getting Final Notice bills, even though I've given them my insurance info. Then I have to call and leave messages and call again and so on. Bastards, the lot of 'em!

Who has seen the Brothers Grimm?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

Not I, said the cat. I would like to, but last time I checked there was a "long wait" on Netflx.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really starting to kind of miss the sun. When does it come back again, April?

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

It might snow tomorrow, for a little change o' pace.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of MTV, Maddie and I started watching the Aeon Flux dvds last night. Crazy-ass cartoons, being all crazy.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Aeon Flux was some sort of sci-fi action movie starring Charlize Theron...?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

It was a Liquid-TV cartoon (and possibly a comic?) first.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was a comic too, but no, just shorts on MTV that became full 1/2 hour episodes on MTV. There was a comic mini-series recently, but that was just a movie tie-in.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

The show gets a bit silly and pretentious at times, but in a fun way and the imagery is amazing.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

jenny and sarah, this one's for you.
www.jesshutch.com

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

er.
http://www.jesshutch.com/

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

It's 5:40 AM, this is where I live now.

Sarah says I was being my usual "rock star jerk" self at the Ice Factory show because during "Do the Dance" during the breakdown part I took off my guitar and was trying to get the audience to clap along, you know, kind of ironically but not really, and some people did but others just stood there with their arms crossed so I called them fucking jerks multiple times over the mic. But it was all in fun.

Also, when we first started playing there was this guy in the front row who I always used to see on the el, like every day, but never talked to. One of those people that you feel like you know but you don't really. It was weird. I think he took some photos of us.

We watched our videotape of Sheriff last night, it was really good. I got excited when I saw Amanda's name in the thank yous at the end, like "OHMYGOD I KNOW HER!"

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 5 January 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

But... did you get excited to see Dan's name, too? Since you also know him?

Yay! Crafts! Thanks, Jocelyn!

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 5 January 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

Of course! But we haven't spent at all as much quality time with him. They showed his pic during the intro!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 5 January 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

HaHA! I'm so glad you guys liked it. We felt really excited and proud to see it on the tee vee. I took that picture that they showed in the intro!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Question N+S: if you guys find yourself wanting to keep that tape that you made of the movie, please -- keep it. If you think that you may tape over it, however, is there any way you might give it to us? We would like to have more than one copy of the tv version, with the intro and all.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Nick/Sarah and Jaymc - I was at a taping on Chic A Go Go last Saturday (my flatmate Shelley S. was on the show) - both the FFs and 'nasta should really do this show (and join the pantheon of Chicago bands who have). You play along with a recording of your own song, so it's not like you need to haul in a whole rig. And I would love to see the four-year-olds dance to both your guys's songs - http://www.roctober.com/chicagogo/

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Holy cow! That show makes me love Chicago even more than I already do! I want to go dance.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! That's so cool! You guys should totally do it. Your songs are perfect for the dancing.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

hey Eazy - what's the name of that guy from the 43022 who now performs children's songs? I want to get his CD for my nephew. He got a guitar for Christmas!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Eric, So is it all lipsynched? It looks really fun! Will you be dancing on TV soon?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's all lip-synched - just your instruments, no mics or amps or anything. With little kids standing on dancing platforms all around you. There's a best-of-chic-a-go-go video out (Quimby's probably has it) with lots of great bands. Oh, and it's hosted by a cute gal and a sock puppet named Ratso.

They tape two shows back-to-back on Saturday afternoons - maybe twice a month? I'd go back if you want to check it out. I'd be scared to actually see myself dancing on public access cable, but that's how it goes. (I think they air about 2 months after taping, so the two episodes I'm on will air maybe in February?).

'manda, the 43022 is...Just1n R0berts - he's got CDs on Amazon, etc. and a website with his own name, though it may be .net, not sure...

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, We won't be taping over it. We never tape anything. This time we were taping over a Queer Eye episode from 3 years ago. You are welcome to our copy, BUT our reception wasn't the greatest.

Sure! It sounds fun!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

That tv show sounds awesome.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you both -- I'll see what D says about the tape. I think I'm going to buy that best-of (video? DVD?) for my little nephew. He loooooves dancing. He also loves umbrellas.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

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― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

More talking, less working!

Nick is bringing me lunch today. Mmmm... Sultan's Market....

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

It was recently confirmed that my band will be one of three or four playing an art student (SAIC) party in Pilsen on Jan. 28th. Anyone who wants to come is invited. I think it's $5 for admission and beer. More details as I get them.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

It sounds kind of semi-illegal, which is cool.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

I saw your band's name on a poster at the Viaduct when I was there last week. I forgot to check when the show is/was.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

You guys and your art student parties.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

That was not a sentence.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Art students are hot.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

They're a good time!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

The parties, that is. The actual people are pretty fun too.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

The show at the Viaduct is on the 20th, but will not be as cheap or with as cool other bands.

That was also not really a sentence.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'm wearing half of my new suit. I don't want to put all of it on until right before I walk out the door because it's black and I have three cats and nowhere on any of the law clerk interview tip websites did it say that the conspicuous appearance of cat hair on a suit will endear you to your interviewer because he or she will know right away that you are a kind animal-lover.

xpost: My run-on sentence makes up for Dan M. and Amanda's fragments.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm excited about my band's big Barrymore Theater show in a couple weeks!

xpost, I hope your fancy lawyer briefcase contains a lint roller.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

That's not actually a run-on sentence!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Today is your interview?!?! There is GOOD KARMA in the air Jenny -- good luck!!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yes! Kick ass for the workers!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

I guess it's not, but my legal writing professor, that bitch, would have taken points off for it.

Thanks for the well wishes! I think I might put the lint roller in my fancy professional tote bag, just in case.

It's weird - I don't feel nervous, but I am considerably sweatier than normal. I think I'm more nervous about messing up my suit before I leave the house than I am about the actual interview.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Excellent -- in that case once you get out of the house it should be clear sailing!!

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

And, ironically, the sweat caused by my nervousness at the possibility of messing up my suit will be the thing that messes up the suit!

(I'm not abusing irony there, right?)

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

I wanted to take a photo of me in the whole get up to show the shoes but I can't figure out the auto timer on the camera so... yeah. You'll have to wait two years and then come watch me in court or something.

Okay, out I go. I think I'm going to the Hopleaf tonight at around 8 if anybody is around and thirsty.

PEACE OUT CHICAGO.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 5 January 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

(I'm not abusing irony there, right?)

You're totally in legalese mode, aren't you.

GOOD LUCK!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Is this thread the bar that no one hangs out at anymore?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

maybe we're all still dazed from the holidays. i recorded sheriff last night, maybe i'll watch it later.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone been skating at Millenium Park? I know it's kind of a touristy thing but I really want to do it!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

I did -- it was really fun!! No complaints here. Just 100% fun.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

The rink is smaller than I thought it should have been though.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

The ice must be really shitty about now... I'm still thinking of taking my lady this weekend (before she moves away :((((((( ).

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

BTW guys, she loved the pearls.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, so it was pearls! That's a really classy present. You should go ice skating -- I think the rink is specially-frozen and groomed, so if it's shitty out, you can still skate.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

No-one forwarded you the link? Sadness. Yeah, pearls. They're classy. And pink.

I looked at the Millenium Park website, their rink is 200x80 ft, which is ~20 ft. narrower than a standard ice hockey rink. That's too bad, an outdoor game downtown would be pretty cool.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I use a lent roller pretty much every time I'm about to leave the house, regardless of the color of clothes I have on. It's a way of life. I can just see myself now when I'm in my 60s... HONEY! GET IN HERE AND ROLL MY BACK!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

lent roller

But what do you use during mardi gras?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

oH! ha ha

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Maddie's dad got us a box full of lint rollers for Xmas. It was much appreciated.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

The cat continuously pwns my lint roller. No matter where I hide it she finds it and rubs herself on it.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

I was in a really good mood at the start of the day, but I haven't really left my desk for -- let's see -- 6 HOURS and it's making me grouchy. We should be forced to leave our desks for lunch.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

I see that the Dials are playing here at the High Noon Saloon this weekend.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a fucking emotional pogo stick this week/month/year. Which would mean more if it weren't 1/4/06, I guess. Still, do you think there's an occurance-per-time limit to how much disappointment a person can take and still behave normally? Or that anyone would notice if I started throwing things at the office?

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hah, I half expected someone to say "42".

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

I have so much work to do. Today I've just been doing a little bit on each project and then putting it away. I also have entire new projects designated solely by little post-its on my desk.

Tonight I get to record some more (Nick should be there now). :-D

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Watch it dude, you'll be the next target!

xpost

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think you should allow yourself to feel emotions, Laurel -- you're not a rock or an island. You're a person. People can only take so much.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Then again, I'm the person who cries quietly on the train on a fairly regular basis. Maybe I should try to clam it up a little.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Recording is fun! I heard yesterday that our mastering is done for REAL this time. Kinda - there's one track that's quieter that the rest and needs some punch-up, but THEN it will really be done.

This weekend I am going to a hear a classical tuba quartet and then brew beer.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

I just ran out of things to do... which sucks because when that happens I'm supposed to work on documentation on how-to-do-my-job. The problem with that is it's BORING. Even though my degree is basically in Instruction Writing, I have no desire to do that right now.

xpost: Yeah Laurel... see how far you can throw that stapler!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Work is terrible this week, for reasons way beyond my control.
I'll explain more when I'm less upset.

But right now I need a decision: Is Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life for the PS2 worth getting? Or should I just save the money for CIV IV.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Amanda -- the crying in public part I don't mind, I do that anyway! I just miss my self who wasn't dealing with this fear/uncertainty/anger at such high levels; she was nice and I hope she comes back some time. Until then, once more unto the breach etc etc.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

Maddie was pretty obsessed with the Gamecube version for a few weeks. I think you have to embrace repetition and mundanity to get the most out of it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

I think you have to embrace repetition and mundanity to get the most out of it.
This is true for so much in life, Gamecube and beyond.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even know what a Gamecube is.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

that whole fear/uncertainty/anger thing gets way too intense sometimes, can drive you crazy. make sure to be good to yourself in the ways that you can control...

i vote for civ.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 5 January 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny got the job.

― Jeff-Beetle (Jeff), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

!!!

Already? Awesome.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

YAAAAAAAAAAAY!! (that was a Kermit-style "yay" complete with arm-waving)

I'm so prouda her!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW@!!!!!@@@!!!!!

WOW!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW@!!!!!@@@!!!!!

WOW!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

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Big ups, respect.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

HOOOOORAAAAAAY!!!!! How excited is she?! Time to celebrate!

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

GO JENNY!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

1. Get law job
2. Save world
3. Profit!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Law jobs that involve world saving don't generate much profit, but yeah, hopefully the first two parts will come to pass. The best part of the interview was when she said, "I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not going to interview anybody else, so take as much time as you want and get back to me."

And thanks, everybody! I'm pretty excited.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Clearly that woman knows on which side her company's bread is buttered - hmmph. A toast to world-saving!

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

A toast! *clink*

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Law jobs that involve world saving don't generate much profit

Sadly, this is too true. But I had to keep the Internet cliche going.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, liberty and justice save the world, or save civilization anyway, so yea to lawyers and Blind Lady Justice, and good luck to Jenny.

Strange to see a big listing for the play I'm designing lights for, since it's opening a week from tonight but I don't have access to the lighting booth until Sunday (and so have done little work so far, other than watching run-throughs).

I got invited to a mixtape party by a writer who missed my party - maybe in 6 months Rolling Stone will list it as the Hot Fad or Hot Party Theme in the 2006 The Hot Issue.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 5 January 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone who wants to come is invited. I think it's $5 for admission and beer. More details as I get them.

Keep me posted.

Jenny: HIGHFIVE.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 5 January 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

ULTRA MEGA LEGAL FUNZONE!!!

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― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

ok, just one more time, i promise.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

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― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

Need weekend now.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 6 January 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

I want to play video games.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

Last night I was talking to a friend and she said that a friend of hers had some "bad news" and that she (friend) felt bad about it. Apparently, the bad news is that the friend's husband is sterile and they're not able to create babies so long as he is the one having sex with her. My response: "Well, I guess they'll adopt." She seemed to think this was a cold way to respond to their "grief" (her words).

Question: Is it cold of me not to feel an ounce of sympathy for people who are sterile? Who cares? If you want children, adopt one. I just feel absolutely nothing resembling sympathy for this couple. Even talking about it now -- still no sympathy. I don't feel antipathy, just blah. Whatever. He's sterile. And?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

I know. I'm heartless.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think you're completely heartless, Amanda. Perhaps as someone who isn't interested in having kids, it's harder for you to sympathize..? That said, I really wish more people would be favorable to adopting kids instead of making more of their own. THAT said, I really want my own kids too, so I will probably end up contributing to the problem.

Part of the reason I think people want their own biological kids is this feeling of immortality in continuing thier own blood line. But also, this kid is a combo of the man and wife and thus is a loving product made by the two of them.

I know adoption rules have to be pretty strict to prevent horrible child slavery situations, but also it seems to me that it's a lot easier for a sterile couple to adopt than a non-sterile couple to adopt. Am I totally off the mark here? I don't know what I'm talking about really.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, it's FRIDAY!!!

This morning, I snorted a bowl of salt water up my nose as per my mom's suggestion. She said it wouldn't feel like when you get water up your nose at the beach, but that's EXACTLY what it felt like. I was all panicky and my eyes got red and watery. Fun!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Some men (and women) are very strange about raising kids that aren't their own seeeeed.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm only partially heartless -- yaay! I don't get it, I guess. Just remember, world, I am not the person to turn to for weepy comfort at the news of sterility/barrenness.

That said, the salt-water snorting cure is a CHILX favorite! It works!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny: glad you liked the card!

w/r/t raising your own kids: you actually SEE yourself and your kin in them. Whenever I see my mother's family (back in OLD COUNTRY), they're shocked, SHOCKED, at how much I look like my uncle Tony. Just glancing at me/my sis/whomever, you get immediate feedback vis a vis your relation to someone. Ditto with looking at your kids. There's a real sense of "holy shit, XXX looks just like Matthew when he was a young man. Wow!"

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

One day, I think it might be fun to have a kid with Jeff, but I'm not so attached to the idea that were I to find out we biologically couldn't have one, I would be devasted, but I would be bummed. I never EVER wanted children until Jeff and I started dating - he's the individual male that flipped the switch on my biological clock so to speak (I never wanted to get married until we started dating, either). Jeff is smart and handsome and I've seen pictures of him when he was a wee lad and I think it would be so cool to have a little guy who looked liked wee Jeff. And I am interested in a curious, kind of scientific way to see what a whole new human made up Jeff/Jenny genetic material would look and act like. It's irrational and those articulated reasons why I want to have a baby with Jeff and only him don't really seem to match my feelings about it, which are more basic (Make baby with him) than my rationale.

I wouldn't have any problems raising a little human not made from our genetic material, but I pale at the hassle and stress and possible heartbreak and disasters of the adoption process. A lot of that is fear of my own parental capabilities - I'm terrified of fucking up a kid when I've had the opportunity to control all the prenatal care, the nutrition, the affection, etc. What if I get a kid who was ignored/abused/drunk as a fetus? What possible hope do I have of raising a reasonable human being then?

God, I'm terrifying myself just writing about it.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

In opposite bad news, a good friend of mine dropped the bomb that he's getting married to his girlfriend in three weeks and that the baby's due in August. It's not that bad because they were going to do this eventually, but not for another 2-4 years, and this was unplanned and unprepared for.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that's exciting! I like when babies arrive spontaneously. I'm not a grouchy old baby hater -- I like babies.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda eats babies.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

*burp*

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what percentage of marriages begin because of a preganancy and how that number has changed over the years. Someone with more energy than me, google it!

Amanda, I hope you kow I was kidding. I don't think you're at all heartless. Also, you're a good mom to your doggies. By the way, I've heard Baby Burritos are tasty. You just roll 'em up in a burrito and add some salsa.

Maybe I just didn't do the snorting right? Here's what I did:
Put 1 cup of lukewarm water in a bowl
Added 1 teaspoon salt
Leaned over sink
Exhaled
Put nose in bowl
Inhaled through nose
Threw head back to make water go up nose and down back of throat

Thoughts?
Comments?
Concerns?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

You koW! ha ha Know.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

i'm concerned about your nose feeling all salty. but i hope your cold is feeling better.

congrats jenny, btw!

i've never had much sympathy for people who freak about not being able to have kids. i had a college roommate who had some chick probs and as a result was probably not going to be able to have kids in the future--she was really upset about it, not because she was planning on kids anytime soon or even had a prospective father for her fictional kids, but because she felt that the ability to have kids somehow defined her as a woman in some way. which i just thought seemed like bullshit, though i think i was probably more tactful than that.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Hee. I am filled with wonder at babies, but LIKE them, like them? They're not really very interesting if they're not yours and/or you don't have a personal stake in 'em; once I'm done marveling over the miniature fingernails, I'm kind of done. Bring them back when they're old enough to get into stuff.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Did you do one nostril at a time?

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

One reason I am not excited about the baby is that I play music with this person, and right now he's sort of freaking out and dropping everything. I hope this levels out and he is able to be a father + gig and have fun.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

That question was for Sarah and her snorting, not for Laurel's baby examination.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, I know. I'm not heartless -- I'm just insensitive to people's need to spread their seed. I can accept that.

As for the snorting. I did it one nostril at a time, not full-schnoz.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

when they're old enough to get into stuff, they're even more annoying! (kids are cute in small doses, but i don't have a lot of energy for dealing with them)

bring them back when they're able to hold a conversation about something interesting. that takes a while though.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Not speaking of babies at all, I'm reading Fitcher's Brides. Me and it were finally in the library at the same time.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Female Chauvinist Pigs is still in transit, but that'sa okaya because I'm halfway through Ballad of the Wishkey Robber.

People I think are weird: women who keep having babies because "I just love babies and my toddlers aren't babies anymore".

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, the sisters! That book was a delight.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

We were talking about neti pots last night at Guthrie's, and a friend told a story of how he had neti-potted and then several hours later, while leading some sort of training session, he tilted his head somewhat, and a stream of water fell out of his nostril.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

XXP: My mom is one of those, Jocelyn. She says it's something about the way they smell.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a question (that I've already asked Kelsey in the course of inadvertently waking her up, since she took the day off): Why do I have to learn from the Chicago Reader restaurant-review section, of all places, that a certain bespectacled public-radio host has finally married his longtime girlfriend? I don't get the good gossip anymore.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

To John re Net Pots: Yes, that can happen. It's happened to me but not in public, THANK FUCKING GOD.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Also an observation: this 7+ hours of sleep thing is awesome. Why am I incapable of reminding myself of this on a regular basis?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

i was checking my email and was bored enough to read some msn bullshit. but here's a bit on sinus whatever:

Forget Sudafed. An easier, quicker, and cheaper way to relieve sinus pressure is by alternately thrusting your tongue against the roof of your mouth, then pressing between your eyebrows with one finger. This causes the vomer bone, which runs through the nasal passages to the mouth, to rock back and forth, says Lisa DeStefano, D.O., an assistant professor at the Michigan State University college of osteopathic medicine. The motion loosens congestion; after 20 seconds, you'll feel your sinuses start to drain.

in the same little article, however:

Need to pee? No bathroom nearby? Fantasize about Jessica Simpson. Thinking about sex preoccupies your brain, so you won't feel as much discomfort, says Larry Lipshultz, M.D., chief of male reproductive medicine at the Baylor College of Medicine.

jessica simpson? c'mon, suggest liv tyler or something, ffs.

xp that would be totally embarrassing!
also, sleep rules. i am always taking all sorts of pills in its pursuit.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Man, when I start getting like 5-6 hours a night I turn into a fucking zombie. When I was back home I was sleeping 10+
hours a night.

Must be gettin' on in years.

xpost

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, baby babies are sort of boring. Toddlers, on the other hand, are hilarious and totally fun.

Then again, I used to be paid to spend ALL DAY with them, so I'm used to it.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

I woke up late.

Someone ate the baby.
It's rather sad to say.
Someone ate the baby
So she won't be out to play.

We'll never hear her whiney cry
Or have to feel if she is dry.
We'll never hear her asking "Why?"
Someone ate the baby.

Someone ate the baby.
It's absolutely clear
Someone ate the baby
'Cause the baby isn't here.

We'll give away her toys and clothes.
We'll never have to wipe her nose.
Dad says, "That's the way it goes."
Someone ate the baby.

Someone ate the baby.
What a frightful thing to eat!
Someone ate the baby
Though she wasn't very sweet.

It was a heartless thing to do.
The policemen haven't got a clue.
I simply can't imagine who
Would go and (burp) eat the baby.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

I like babies! I just think people whose children aren't out of diapers yet but want to have more babies in order to always have a tiny doll- like thing around are a little nuts.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

(I don't mean Laurel's mom, BTW)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, we love that poem in my house. Also, the "sister for sale" one, which is the basis for a cute story of last summer: I was hanging out with the Bangladeshi kids next door and I made a joke about selling their little brother at our block rummage sale...the two girls came back at me with "one crying young, lying young sister for sale!" That'll learn me.

Joss, my mother stopped at 4 children, but you've got to see her face when someone hands her a baby (at church or etc) -- it's an incredible transformation: she's never so much HERSELF as when there's a baby to gabber at and sing to.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Funny how I can still see the artwork in my head when I think of a Shel Silverstein poem.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

gabber gabber gabber

I like that word.

I still have that book, right here in this apartment.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Man, the lyrics for "Let's Eat the Baby (Like my Gerbils did)" by Happy Flowers have thus far eluded my Googling...

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Every time the baby cries, stick a needle in the baby's eye
That's what we do with the baby, that's what we do with the baby-o.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if once you have a baby, you turn into one of those people who always talks to strangers' babies and asks the parent how old he/she is.

I snorted up both nostrils at the same time. Big mistake?

Does anyone still find Jessica Simpson particularly sexy?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

It's true! Esp the neck-of-the-running-giraffe one or others that depend on shape. The other lines that crop up for me are "...and in ninety-nine years she ate that whale, just like she said she would." and "...I will not play at tug-of-war" and oh loads of others.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

I snorted up both nostrils at the same time. Big mistake?

No way. That's how you get *really* high. Wait for the drip... mmm... feel that?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

"How about another peanut butter snadwich?"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone still find Jessica Simpson particularly sexy?

No. She's like a cartoon version of a sex object. She reminds me of when you're a kid and your idea of a sexy woman is someone like Vanna White, because you're too young to realize that sex appeal goes beyond a banal, obvious presentation of "sexiness."

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, she's gross.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about "gross." But she is a barbie doll.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dread (oh dread) It's up to my umpahohhhhhhhhhhoh.
When I go to the grocery store I like to count the magazine covers that JS is on, It's ridiculous.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

She will make your pee stop.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

On a very base level she is sexy. However, when we get into the realm of true sexinessity, taking into account all the things that are really important in a person that make them truly sexy, one cannot say that.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.crazydevils.ch/Jessica%20Simpson.jpg

She's blonde with great legs and big tits. Many, many men ask no more of women than that. This is J3ssa's complaint, too: "If one more of my intelligent friends introduces me to his airhead girlfriend, I'm going to scream."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

She does have pretty hair.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

also, nice sweater.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

I guess if she were less tan and stupid, I would think she was pretty.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my. You know, the more google image searches I do, the more I'm tempted to give her a second chance.

http://www.horndog.com/Celebrities/images/jessica-simpson/Jessica-Simpson-Daisy-Duke-med.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry. I just woke up. They say that's when testosterone is at its peak. And so, I apologize.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, part of me thinks that I might find her attractive if I saw more than 10 minutes of Newlyweds -- which is weird, because that's what's sort of sealed the deal in most people's minds of her being such an imbecile -- but at least it would show that she had some sort of personality, something I could work with, and especially if she's, like, lounging around in her pajamas and doing ordinary sorts of things.

(xpost) Ew, the ribcage.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah -- she needs donuts. But her boobs are pretty hot.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh ugh totally gross ribs. Put that AWAY, please. She's inhaling and lifting her chest so hard it HURTS.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Ribs are not a fashion accessory.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

yanno how i was saying liv tyler is hot? she is. jessica simpson is too plastic and blonde and bimboey and yes, in desperate need of donuts.

which has me fantasizing about boston cremes.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

and why do her boobs look so much smaller in the pink bikini?

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

I actually don't think she's ribbing out BECAUSE she's incredibly skinny -- she's not. She's just operating under the delusion that one should take a deep breath and extend one's chest as far as possible whenver one is in danger of being photographed. It's only because she's wearing a bikini that you can see a certain amount of the er, protrusion is actually ribcage and not breast.

Juul, push-up bra/underwires/duct tape.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Thoughts on Ashlee? I like her. More unconventionally pretty than her sister, and she seems to have spunk, even if that's just her carefully crafted media image. Actually, because the machinations behind her whole rise to fame have been so transparent, I find myself feeling surprisingly sympathetic toward her: she sometimes seems so lost in the machine.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is OTM about sweaters, donuts, and Liv Tyler.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately, Liv Tyler is also annoying. But not dumb as a box of rocks, at least.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

She's cute in that first pic (ie: avec clothes), but that's because she doesn't seem as dumb when she's not moving around or making that horrible smile.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

I love it when men and women put aside their differences, come together, and talk about hot chicks.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

(xp galore)
it's really sexy, i'm sure, to find duct tape when removing a girl's shirt.

underwires can't make thaaat much of a difference, nor can push-up bras, that i know of, well, except the padded kind, i hate those, and they're almost all padded. so i don't actually have much experience with pushup bras and should stop pretending i know what i'm talking about.

xp liv tyler is unreal gorgeous, i have no idea what she's like personalitywise. i was just having a convo with my sister about how hot liv is the other day, which is why she came to mind.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

You know who is incredibly cute? The mechanic from Firefly/Serenity. Her name is Jewel something-or-other.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

oh you wait, jake gyllenhaal is next.

xp jewel staite!

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah that's it!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

She is cute. And the other two women on that show are gorgeous.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

I've never really had a thing for Liv Tyler. The lips sort of bother me, I think.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

!!!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, ok, but what about STEVEN Tyler? Everyone always leaves him off the hot chicks list. It's a crime.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

The lips are the the center of her appeal. Liv falls apart without the lips.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

i love the comparison john made btwn jessica & vanna. right on!

also: j.s. does need some meat on her ribs.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

inara from firefly:

http://www.davonline.com/epsi/firefly/inara_gris.jpg

though i know lesbian firefly fans who think inara is gross, and that zooey is the hottest. i dunno, they're all hot.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan, are you kidding? Her skin, hair, eyes -- Liv Tyler is more than lips. She's beauuuuuutiful.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

In that first photo she's wearing both a sweater and a micromini. I wonder what time of year it was.

Jessica S. is supposed to keep me from wanting to pee?

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Her skin, hair, eyes -- Liv Tyler is more than lips. She's beauuuuuutiful.

Don't forget the cheekbones and perfect heart-shaped face.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

That kind of makes sense to me.

The mechanic is still hottest to me because of the whole being-a-gearhead-tomboy thing.

xxxpost

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

liv tyler has gorgeous eyes. from a bit of google image searching, i'm thinking i'd totally dig the brunettes if i was into chicks.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

jocelyn, i just realized that you "livejournaled" me . . . i added ya.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

It's funny to me that the ladies on this thread are the most vocal proponents of Liv Tyler: I wonder if that's true among women in general. I don't know that I would've guessed that.

I once heard (this was years ago) that Elisabeth Shue was a female celebrity that ostensibly straight women could agree upon.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

The Firefly girls are ok, I guess, in a certain sort of way. But none of them are Sarah Michelle Gellar.

xpost You gotta love the blue eyes/dark hair combo.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

I don't find SMG attractive at all.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

Can I admit something to you all? I still have a little thing for Meg Ryan.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

2x Meg Ryan

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

I actually don't find liv that attractive . . . not in the "i wanna get with her" sort of way. i mean, she seems pretty & down to earth & that is certainly attractive. but, she doesn't make me lusty.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

2x anti-SMG too

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

xp--people with blue eyes/dark hair always seem to be gorgeous.

here's jewel staite:

http://www.northernstars.ca/actorsstu/Media/staite_jewel_250.jpg

meg ryan? hmm.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

That picture doesn't do her justice. She needs to have some engine grease on her hands and/or face.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Sherilyn Fenn anyone? She's my favorite.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

not to derail the conversation, but i need a little feedback. i got new glasses & i'm not sure if i like them enough for the money i spent on them... (ignore the mugging for the camera)

http://static.flickr.com/39/82817965_2cd71f0a36.jpg

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

The thing is, Meg's not really all that hot. She's cute and funny. Seems like she'd be a fun date, you know?

Maybe we should just be friends.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Kelsey, I love 'em.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

i like the glasses! it always takes some getting used to a new look...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Sherilyn's hot. I had to look her up, though. I don't know movie stars like most folks

xpost: kenan, that's how i feel about liv!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

I like the two-tone thing.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Of course, we've all seen what being "just friends" with Meg Ryan leads to...

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Meg and I, we have this totally Harry-Met-Sally thing going on.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

I like the glasses! You can totally see the blue undertones in that picture -- I'm not sure if it's just the angle, though.

Sarah Michelle Gellar is a good example of a conventionally pretty blonde who's plenty attractive. I've always liked Willow more than Buffy, though.

Kelsey: you mean watching Twin Peaks with you every waking minute for two straight weeks didn't imprint Sherilyn Fenn's visage onto your brain?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

I can always talk about hot girls. I'd probably have better converstaions with people if I would just bring that up all the time.

http://www.jennywoolworth.ch/tigerbeat/images/mirah.jpg
http://www.nogoodgolfers.blogger.com.br/5.jpg

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Is that second one Chan Marshall?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

It's a nice touch there that the first girl you posted looks like your wife. Well played, sir.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think that is Chan Marshall.

I think she very pretty. Anyone going to her concert in...Feb?

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

DON'T DO IT.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

The three stages of seeing Cat Power live:

1) Mild interest
2) Soul-crushing boredom
3) Gun and bell tower

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Is it solo or with band? Could it be better with band?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Because solo bored me speechless.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

Women I think are sexy and want to look like:
Rachel McAdams
"Kate" from Lost
Louise Post (current)

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

ooooh Kate is hawt

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

...but it's kind of ruined for me, because from certain angles she looks like pictures of my MOM from when she was in her late 20s!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I have to admit, I am curious about Cat Power live. Just to say that I've done it.

The band that plays on her new album is also Memphis session musicians, who are presumably not going on the road with her. I'm not sure if she'll have another band backing her up or not.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

The way you guys are talking about Cat Power live makes me think it must be akin to GG Alin live or something like that. Is it really crazy?

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, she eats babies.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

I have never heard Cat Power.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

xpost But you can't really see her doing it, because her hair is in her face.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Also, she can cauterize your urethra with a single glance.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

I missed the pee-stopping meme, I guess.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Jessica Simpson = Secretary. Liv Tyler = Librarian. Archtypically.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

OTM.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

I just walked to the kitchen to get my lunch and started humming "Urethras of Men" to the tune of "Leaders of Men."

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

let's talk about Jake Gyllenhaal's urethra.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I bet it likes to stay at home instead of going out all the time.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

we have much in common.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) Well played.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

I saw Cat Power in Portland, ME & I think it was a good show for her. She kept saying "you're all so nice!" & was very talk-y & the audience was howling & she laughed & asked everyone to keep howling. Not to sound like a jerk, but I think it was a "safe place" for her. apparently she freaked out in boston the next night.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

You jerk.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Someone will have to brief me on that whole exchange later.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

I just went back into the kitchen to wash my salad container and there was a paper plate sitting hear the sink bearing hot, microwaved Spam. It made me sad.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Mmm... leftover vodka pasta.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

XP: Because someone in your office is eating processed meat-type-food off a grease-sodden paper plate, or because a mama or daddy spam had to die to fill that tin can?

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Both. The latter because of the spams that died and the people who work in the plant that puts the spam in the can.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Someone at lunch heated cheap HOT DOGS. I forgot to add the smell of cheap hot dogs to my kryptonite list.
Anara from Firefly looks like she should be wearing an IDF uniform and stroking an Uzi. (Not that that would be a bad thing) But then again, I've never watched the show.
BTW JS's blond hair is all fake now. She used to brag about how expensive her extensions were on Newlyweds.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

OK. I know this was on ILM at least once, but I just re-found it and its so fucking hilarious...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4462791062611472906

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Argh. its/it's... I hate that.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

I love vodka pasta. Maddie made a little bit of pasta with a lot of vodka sauce on Monday and I was eating the extra sauce with a spoon.

I had gumbo for lunch, it was yum.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Oh hell yeah, I totally licked my tupperware clean.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

dan...OMG AWESOME (the link).

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh man I skipped all these posts to go to the end and say that I'm so excited you people are talking about Firefly because sometimes I feel alone... so alone... in my geekdom.

Also, Amanda Hugandkiss, there is a calendar alert on Jeff's computer that says Bob Pollard tickets go on sale today. FYI!!!!

Now I will go back and read and catch up.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Oh! Thank you for reminding me. Will do, Magoo.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

sometimes i think firefly was my favorite of the joss whedon stuff. i loved buffy, but it could be variable overall...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Okay I'm caught up. Jessica Simpson is too fucking dumb to be attractive. And if she's just "playing dumb as a career move but is really smart," then she's too fucking evil to be attractive.

I am loving this video Dan linked.

Who is the first lady of Jeff's photos that looks like me? And I feel like I've admitted this here before, but I once took that very photo of Chan Marshall to the salon so the stylist could cut my hair just like that.

And finally, Kelsey, I love those glasses. I would need to see them on your actual, interactive face but from that photo, they are pretty awesome.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

We rented all the Firefly episodes from Netflix and I swear I mourned a little when the series was over. I think we should get Serenity soon, but I'm kind of okay waiting since when we see that, it will really all be done forever.

*sniff*

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Jeff says this alert is the 24-hour alarm and they go on sale tomorrow. He was just BEING PREPARED.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know how, but I missed the Kelsey photo -- those are cute glasses! And nostrils!

I have never seen Firefly, Serenity OR Buffy. I've never even really heard of the first two, except for on here. Would I like it?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Jeffy.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

A few people, toward the end of the year, were talking about their favorite films of 2005 and mentioned Serenity, and it took me a really long time to remember that that was the Joss Whedon film.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoyed Firefly a lot, haven't seen the movie yet. I've only seen a handful of Buffy eps in my life.

Maddie liked the Firefly dvds, but is now leading the Whedon backlash (in response to Astonishing X-Men's slide into mediocrity + her friends' worshipful treatment of Serenity, I believe).

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Serenity is the movie that Joss W. made as a follow-up/wrap-up to the Firefly series, since it got canned before he could really finish up the main story arc.

It's a solidly entertaining show with well-developed characters, interesting sub-plots, and a good over-all story arc. It's a sci-fi/cowboy genre/ crossover w/ ensemble cast that almost seems to have been genetically engineered to result in ubergeek fanboy adulation, but it's clever enough that I can overlook that. I would, however, avoid any of Joss W's DVD commentaries as he comes across as the most arrogant prick I have ever had to listen narrate a DVD. Whoa.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

I don't like Buffy or Angel, and as such I was way skeptical of Firefly/Serenity. But those two really are very good. I bought the movie for Xmas and have since watched it twice.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Ahahaha Jenny so OTM on Wheadon's commentaries. Such. A. HUGE. NERD.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

That doesn't really sound like my cup of tea.

Did you guys know that El Presidente was at the Board of Trade building this morning? Right next to where I work? Apparently he was.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

(I mean, speaking of Chicago...)

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I heard he was in town. Wonder if he took the Blue Line downtown like the workin' class 'Merricun he is?

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

oops

/sarcasm

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

At first I thought you meant this.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

God I want Mexican food. Should I eat some to accompany this evening's Netflix showing of Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Of course!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

If the Chicago thread is talking about hot girls, it must be Friday.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://media.bestprices.com/content/music/10/116818.jpg

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Nick!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Is anyone doing anything fun tonight? I want to get out of the house but we have no plans.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Chicago: what can you tell me about A Cushicle?

My roommate's been encouraging me to do some freelancing for the Chic4go J0urnal, they seem intriguing.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

I was supposed to go act as a legal observer for some protests that were going on in (dis)honor of GWB, but I decided to sleep in instead. I'm making up for it by hanging out with radical feminists to plan a conference for Intl. Women's Day tonight.

xpost: I don't know what, if anything, we're doing tonight. I think I'm going to have a drink with my friend Emily after the IWD stuff, but then who knows.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going out for $1 oysters and drink specials someplace in the Flatiron district. Or rather, my colleagues are going out for oysters and I'm going for the drink specials.

Huh, we're printing a book on a type/color of paper called "Oyster" and now when I see the word I can only think of that stupid speckled stock.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

It's M4tt Pr1est's birthday tonight. We're going to Gulliver's for dinner, but I have a feeling we'll end up at someplace like the Village Tap for drinks later.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

Gulliver's! The one on Howard? Man, I love that place.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

...aren't you in NYC, Laurel?

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://heaveninatourniquet.tripod.com/image043.jpg

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.velocityweekly.com/2005/0216/sound/images/v_0216Neko-Case.jpg

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

I see no reason to speak anymore today.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Who is that?

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

The lovely Neko Case.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

The Neko.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, she is rather pretty, isn't she? I don't know that I'd ever really paid attention to her, even during the whole Playboy debacle.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

She has nipples.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

(I feel like I/we've been through this before)

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Yep, in NYC. Nick didn't specify locale and I'm just saying, there are oysters and drinks to be had.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

As far as I know, I'm spending the evening with my honey. Maybe go play some pool and have a few beers. It's her last weekend in town. :(

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds like a good night.

http://www.music-atlas.com/images/album_covers/ohio_players-honey.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh good idea

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

omg I heart Neko so much.

I was all psyched to hang out with her in Aspen (there were like 40 ppl at the show), but I was too stoned and embarassed to talk to her.

We would have made-out, probably.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

You could have her babies by now, Gbx.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

She made me Thanksgiving dinner in 1999...

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

(There was an old promo of her in a working under the hood of a car in a mechanic's outfit - I was looking for it earlier when someone mentioned mechanic gals...)

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.playboy.com/sex/features/indierock/

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

(made me and a table-full of people, I should say)

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.playboy.com/arts-entertainment/wov/case/

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm... want to click on the Playboy link, but I am at work. Now this is a quandary!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

And yeah, that's a nipple floating by on the sidebar! Oh well, that's what I get!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Neko Case: I just remember thinking the Playboy angle on feminism seemed a lot more human than the feminist angle. The feminist angle seemed like the most hard-line, limiting angle, I thought. It didn't sound like there was room for sexuality in it, and that's not a criticism on feminism in general, but as a result of that, I would be really hesitant to label myself a feminist. I would probably consider myself more of an individualist.

Hugh Heffner: Consider the kind of girl that we made popular: The Playmate of the Month. She is never sophisticated, a girl you cannot really have. She is a young, healthy, simple girl--the girl next door . . . we are not interested in the mysterious, difficult woman, the femme fatale, who wears elegant underwear, with lace, and she is sad, and somehow mentally filthy. The Playboy girl has no lace, no underwear, she is naked, well-washed with soap and water, and she is happy.

Now that's some angle on feminism.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

I do love Neko Case's music, though. I'm just not too sure how feminists limit women more than insisting they be dumb, clean, simple and naked to be acceptable. But hey. I'm all radical and shit.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

Well-washed with soap and water on the hood of a well-washed car.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

well-washed with soap and water

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, that Liv Tyler is well-washed with soap and water, hey?

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

See, Jewel Staite's Firefly character has oil on her hands! Unattainable Femme Fatale!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking about another female archetype recently: the sorceress/witch.

She's not virgin or whore -- she's crazy, magical sorceress lady. Discuss.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000IZ84.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, is the sorceress related to the "her kookiness will save me" model, a la "Garden State" and "Eternal Sunshine"?

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno... kind of makes me think she'd turn me into a frog if I did something wrong. That's not hot.

xpost: although when you put it that way...

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking more of:
http://www.aeternalisllc.com/rulebook/images/witch_cauldron.gif

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gencon.com/images/SC04/MGOH-Elvira.jpg

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Alyssa Milano - Sorceress Librarian.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

oops. Definitely NO on the kookiness -- that's kiddie stuff. More like, I dunno, PJ Harvey or something.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/subaru-3/cg/sorceress.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

whoops! Naked ladies on my screen! So, yeah, I realized it was playboy and clicked it anyway.

I think witches are more hippyesque than sorcoresses, with dreadlocks and stuff.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Tricky, sideways-glancing banshee-type ladies. They're neither virginy nor whorey. What are they?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't sorceress normally associated with the crone archetype, the mysterious old woman who lives alone with animals and dispenses advice and potions?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah OTM, they're hippies. They're sexy, but in sort of an uninteresting, earthy, wholesome way.

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Jocelyn, that's what I'm thinking of. I didn't know the name for it. I've never really been schooled in these things.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

No, you brought up a a good point that mysticality and wisdom are associated with old women. What about the young witches-like Circe, Medea, etc.?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

What are they?

Witches! Burn them! And then give their property to the church or distribute it among the male town leaders.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

...uninteresting, earthy, wholesome...

That's an interesting set of associations.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Who would fall into this category, aside from, I dunno, Kate Bush? Tori Amos? Ladies: do you feel fondly toward this archetype? I know I do, but I don't know why.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Feminist Historian Time: I think the witch archetype started as Christian, partriarchal societies started to take over the pagan villages in Europe. Women, particularly unmarried women, who exhibited too much power or knowledge were considered very dangerous to the religous order of things (which they probably were, all things considered) and had to be erradicated at all costs. Calling uppity women witches and accusing them of communing with the devil and then burning/hanging/drowning them publicly was a very effective way of oppressing those who had traditionally been healers and wise women in their communities. These roles of power, along with any property the women had, then passed on the the church or the men in charge, usually of the church.

So, I would guess that since witches were assocaited with dirty, evil, devil sex, there grew from that this idea that witches were bad, but totally sexy in a powerful, forbidden, hands-off way that virtuous women who succumb to the patriarchy were not.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Are we witches? Am I a witch? Please let me be a witch. I've always wanted to be one even though I know it's totally goofy.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you for schooling me Jenny. I should maybe read up on this stuff, seeing that I'm a grown up woman now.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

This theory is born out by the fact that before the Catholics (sans Frank Black HA HA) attemtped to convert pagan, goddess-worshiping villages, Mary was really no big deal. They made her a major part of the religion in part as a recruitment technique. Of course while traditional pagan goddess types are all about fertility and sex and all those wonderful, roll-in-the-hay type celebrations, Mary is about miraculous virginal fertility, allowing the medieval Catholics and all those since to make women both holy vessels for reproduction, and virtuous innocent quiet meek things, too.

And yes, I do feel very fondly for the sorceress archetype.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

There are lots of sexy witches/sorceresses, but Amanda was making me think of pagan, dancing around the fire, Wicker Man types. Who, upon further reflection, are sexy too. Although religion-sanctioned nudity and sex doesn't have the naughtiness factor though, does it?

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/MagicaAndPoe.jpg/300px-MagicaAndPoe.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda - I wrote so many papers on this in undergrad it ceased to be funny to my professors. As in, "This is a studies in black cinema class - what does Spike Lee have to do with medieval oppression of goddess cults????" I even tried to get into some fancy pants grad school that lets you make up your own major to study this stuff, but they said no.

xpost: I think there's something naughty about pagan sex rituals, but that's probably because for all my current atheism, I was brought up Christian. And I watch a lot of horror movies and people who sneak off to the woods to screw always get killed early.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

I seem to remember from Greek mythology/history class that whenever a hero married/got involved with a woman from a foreign land, bad things happened to them. (Amazons, Medea, Thracians, Ariadne, Dido, etc) It was sort of a way of reminding men that a homebody nice greek girl was the way to go, instead of being tempted by the exotic. These women weren't outcasts within their own culture, like the more Christian model jenny talked about, they became indentified as witches once they were brought into a different culture. The Greeks were very xenophobic.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/II_The_High_Priestess.jpg

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

'manda, you could be a nifty urban/suburban witch instead of the grotto-dwelling kind.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

The Delphic oracle and the priestesses were acceptable because they served as the mouthpiece for the Greek pantheon, not those crazy boar (or whatever) worshipping people to the east. But when things were exclusively women (see Sappho, Elusian mysteries) the men started to get a little worried.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

And that's why I love The Wicker Man and why it's not a joke!
Give me a book to read about this!

I started thinking about it when I was thinking about "Pretty Polly" and how different it is from the English version (or one of them) "THe Outlandish Knight" or "Lady Something or other and the Elf King" or something like that. In the English version, the woman tricks the man into turning around and then SHE throws HIM into the water to drown. In "Pretty Polly" the man kills the woman and she doesn't do anything to fight back.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Do you mean the "It's six kings daughters here have I drowned and you the seventh will be?" song?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

YES!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

I have an Appalachian version where she drowns him, but I think the song may have split into two different version when it came to America.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, can I please tell a story here?? My mother had a huge anthology of Favorite Children's Poetry or something, which had that poem in, and as a small child I liked the "turnabout = fairy play" so much that I memorized it. Then one day my 3rd grade teacher began our study of poetry and asked if anyone knew a poem they'd like to recite to the class. Oh yes. I'm pretty sure that day resulted in a phone call to my mother, asking whether there was anything happening at home that my teacher should know about.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

J - Who sings it? Is it a field recording or an official singer? I love all of that stuff.
That's a good story, Laurel.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

I memorized a poem in 4th grade called "The Loathsome Troll" and I still remember it.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

I have it on a very old record of dulcimer music, so I'm pretty sure it's a field recording.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Can someone find the text of this poem for me? I've never heard of it. You are all so knowledgeable about folk songs and historical archetypes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Huh, meant to say "turnabout = FAIR play". Also, I think it was a British Isles version of the story 'cos it was illustrated with slender maiden in flowing white petticoats in a sort of pre-Raphaelite vein, and she DID push him off in the end and return to her father's house with the extra horse.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.contemplator.com/child/outland.html

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

Or, if you prefer:

An outlandish knight came from the northlands;
And he came wooing to me;
He said he would take me to foreign lands
And he would marry me.

Go fetch me some of your father's gold,
And some of your mother's fee,
And two of the best nags from out of the stable,
Where there stand thirty and three.

She mounted upon her milkwhite steed,
And he on his dapple grey;
They rode till they came unto the seaside,
Three hours before it was day.

Light off, light on, thy milkwhite steed;
Deliver it up unto me;
For six pretty maidens I have drown'd here,
And thou the seventh shall be.

Doff off, doff off thy silken things,
Deliver them up unto me;
I think that they look too rich and too gay
To rot all in the salt sea.

If I must doff off my silken things,
Pray turn thy back unto me;
For it is not fitting that such a ruffian
A naked woman should see.

And cut thou away the brimbles so sharp,
The brimbles from off the brim
That they may not tangle my curly locks,
Nor scratch my lilywhite skin.

He turned around his back to her
And bent down over the brim.
She caught him around the middle so small
And bundled him into the stream.

He dropped high, he dropped low,
Until he came to the side;
Catch hold of my hand, my fair pretty maid,
And thee I will make my bride.

Lie there, lie there, you false-hearted man,
Lie there instead of me,
For six pretty maidens hast thou a-drowned here
The seventh hath drown-ed thee.

She mounted on her milkwhite steed,
And led the dapple-grey;
She rode till she came to her father's house,
Three hours before it was day.

The parrot hung in the window so high,
And heard what the lady did say;
What ails thee, what ails thee, my pretty lady,
You've tarried so long away?

The king was up in his bed-room so high,
And heard what the parrot did say:
What ails thee, what ails thee, my pretty Polly,
You prattle so long before today?

It's no laughing matter, the parrot did say,
That loudly I call unto thee;
For the cat has a-got in the window so high,
I fear that she will have me.

Well turn-ed, well turned, my pretty Polly;
Well turned, well turn-ed for me;
Thy cage shall be made of the glittering gold,
And the door of the best ivory.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

I love that site because they have MIDI versions of the tunes too. Pretty neat.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

There's also a version, Pretty Polly, that Amanda mentioned, where he does drown her. I think Dolly Parton sang it? I can't remember.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, and here I thought "oh, turnabout = fairy play is kind of a clever play on words for a kid's fairy tale poem."

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

Tons of people sang that one --
this is a basic version

Polly, pretty polly, come go along with me
Polly, pretty polly, come go along with me
Before we get married some pleasure to see
She got up behind him and away they did go
She got up behind him and away they did go
Over the hills to the valley so low
They went up a little farther and what did they spy?
They went up a little farther and what did they spy?
A newly dug grave with a spade lying by
He stabbed her through the heart
Her heart's blood it did flow
He stabbed her through the heart
Her heart's blood it did flow
And into the grave pretty polly did go
He threw something over her and turned to go home
He threw something over her and turned to go home
With nothing behind him but the girl there to mourn

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ahh, that's a little different from the one I know -- mine drags out the disrobing by having her remove several layers of fine clothing (ostensibly so that it won't rot at the bottom of the sea) and finally on the last layer she asks him to turn around for modesty's sake. That makes it even funnier that my 3rd grade teach. had to sit through my recitation of what was practically a rape.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, if you can find the text that would be awesome. XPOST: YOU ARE AWESOME!!!

That's interesting about the Greeks, too. All I really know about Greek mythology I got from Clash of the Titans.

This is a neat tie in to Fitcher's Brides, too. I loved the intro with all the stuff about the different fairy tales and how the Bluebeard legend was born from different stories in which the women prevailed of their own strength at the end. Speaking of... Jocelyn have you read any of the other stories in series? I'm intrigued.

And also: Vern's gonna get it and I'm totally scared for her!

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, Vern's gonna get it alright.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

I've read (and have) all the books in the Fairy Tale series except for The Nightingale which is out of print and impossible to find. I was kinda obsessed with them in early high school.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Joss, what fairy tale series? I seem to have missed that line of discussion.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

The one with Tam-Lin, Snow White and Rose Red, The Sun, Moon, and Stars, etc.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Hey guys, talking about gory folk songs is, like, seriously my #1 most favorite thing to talk about, but it's time for me to leave. I got here at 7:30 this morning.

See y'all later.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

OH, I think I have The Nightengale at home, although Tam Line was my favorite.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oy, typos galore. I need a drink!

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, I am going to read more of these books, then!

I don't know much about gory folk songs, but thanks to an early exposure to the Brs. Grimm, I like gory fairy tails (Cinderella still conjurs up images of birds who peck out eyes rather than help people get dressed). They seem to go hand in hand.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

...rather than birds who help people get dressed, I mean.

I need a drink, too.

DRINKS FOR EVERYBODY!

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

Yes!!! And the cutting off of toes ("turn back, turn back / there's blood on the track!") and the wonderful, miserable ends made by the villains of Snow White & The Goose Girl. Yum yum bloodthirsty.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

Okay Jenny, I swear that if we were having this conversation in person, this is the part where I would start bouncing in my seat and clapping my hands together. There might also be some squealing, and I would start talking really really fast -- ask JMC, he's seen me do it.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, yes!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Was the Goose Girl the one who got drug through town in a nail-studded barrel? That one was rough.

Holy shit, I just checked my checking account balance and unbeknownst to me, my student loan refund was direct deposited. That's kind of a surprise.

― squirrels-r-FOREVA (pullapartgirl), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, you guys are a real bunch of Chatty Cathys!

Anyway: no clicking Playboy links for this guy.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

.....so. Do you guys, uh, like playing Beanbags? My friend is hosting a tourney tonight.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

Guys?

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

what is beanbags?

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

Does it involve playing..."games"...on beanbag chairs?

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's like horseshoes, but with beanbags. You thrown them into a hole cut into a wooden box.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's fun!

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 January 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm game. Come over to my house and let's play, RIGHT NOW.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Saturday, 7 January 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Beanbags is awesome. There were some people playing it on the sidewalk about once a week back when it was warm. Now I imagine they've moved it indoors, which, unlike horseshoes, can be done. But yeah -- they looked like they were having a gay ol' time.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone have a proper beanbag set? Cause otherwise we'll be throwing ziploc baggies of sand into a five gallon bucket, and that's just sad.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

No diggity. You got to bag it up.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 7 January 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand what you just said.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 7 January 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Herb's the word, spin's the verb.

― Eazy (Eazy), Saturday, 7 January 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

I got yelled at last night for playing ABBA at the bar.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Saturday, 7 January 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

I would like to recommend a movie to my friends on the Chicago thread, whether it is those of you who like romantic comedy movies or those of you whose significant others make you watch romantic comedies and you want to see one that doesn't suck. It's called "The Baxter," it stars and was written and directed by Michael Showalter, who played the dorky lead guy in "Wet Hot American Summer" and features most of that movie's cast as well as Michelle Williams and some other peeps. It's great! The premise is that it's about the guy in romantic comedies who gets dumped by the romantic lead female for the romantic lead male. He's a nice, sweet guy but kind of dull and they just weren't MEANT TO BE. Think Bill Pullman in Sleepless in Seattle. The guy who the chick dumps at the last minute but it's supposed to be OK because it's not TRUE LOVE. Anyways, it's a great movie because it functions both as a parody of romantic comedies (where the "romantic couple" are exposed to be selfish jerks because all they care about is their true romantic love) but also totally works as a genuine romantic comedy at the same time. It's silly, occasionally doesn't make sense, but also sweet.
I think I enjoyed it so much because I've been thinking a lot lately about forced sympathies in art, especially in movies and TV, where you're supposed to care about the lead characters and sympathize with whatever actions they take, no matter how they screw over the minor or background characters. So this movie is cool because it kind of turns that on its head. Anyways, yeah. Check it out.

― n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 7 January 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

IS IT ON VIDEO?

― gbx (skowly), Sunday, 8 January 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

It was at the theater down the hall from my office a few months back, but I didn't go see it because of bad reviews. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

it's on video, i just checked netflix and added it to my queue.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Sunday, 8 January 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

Oof, Chicago, I am BUSHED. Just did the first stage of the Tour Da Chicago: http://www.yojimbosgarage.com/tourdachicago.htm

A guy went through a windshield! YEEKS.

kelsey: you should do the next stage, in two weeks! FUNZONE.

― gbx (skowly), Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

hey chicago. my friend cat is dj'ing on monday at funky buddha lounge. FREE SPARKS ALL NITE!! kinda ridiculous flyer though.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a62/J_nyceifyournasty/finalflier.jpg

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 9 January 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

FREE SPARKS ALL NITE!!

That sounds like a recipe for DEATH.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

Mornin'.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Mornin'.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

How 'bout this weather, huh? Clear all week, with a high of 50!

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's pretty rad. Maybe no scarf this week?

Hey, if you're still interested in seeing a good jazz show, Tim Daisy and Dave Rempus from V5 are playing at the Morseland on the 16th. I'm sure there's stuff between now and then, but that show should be good. They have a nice little stage there. And pretty good food, from what I remember. And it's one el stop and 10 min. walk from our place.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

I think V5 are playing at the Hideout soon too, if you want to see that. I don't remember when though.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Hi everyone!
I saw this movie at the video store and now I really want to see it. It's not available on Netflix...I wonder why.
http://www.horror-movies.ca/gallery/_files/photogallery/santasslay.jpg
(And yes, that's the wrestler)
I wonder if it will be as good as the "He's chillin..and killin!" Jack Frost .

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

What did you guys do this weekend? I studied, set up our new computer, went to a birthday party and worried about my dog, Junior, who I think might be sick. He wouldn't eat this morning. :(

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

I would like to see the V5! Have heard great things.

This weekend: beanbag tourney on Friday night, slept it off HARD on Saturday (like slept 'till the afternoon), band practice, lots of HBO, early night on Sat., bike race yesterday, "homework," more band practice, more HBO.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Poor doggie : (

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

GBX: V5 at the Hideout (close to your hood) JAN. 26 at 9:30PM.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Mornin'. I hope your dog's okay, Amanda.

I had a productive weekend...we went to go see my mom on Saturday morning and ended up mixing it up with the Orthodox Jewry of Milwaukee (always a laugh and a half, let me tell you...thankfully we ended up doing more catering than socializing), watched Aeon Flux, saw the Sotto V0ce tuba quartet while looking at arrrt, and then made BEER for the rest of Sunday.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, beer! How long does it take before you can taste the beer?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

We tasted the baby beer (i.e. before fermentation and carbonation), and it tasted like tea! Beer tea!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Also the hops smelled like malted milkballs when they were boiling (BEFORE any malt was added).

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Mmm whopper beer. Whoppers are yummy.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

My Weekend, by Sarah Johnson

Friday night I went to see Matchpoint with some chums after going to a bar, insisting I didn't want any beer, and then drinking some of Nick's. Then we went home and watched a bunch of episodes of 24. THEN Nick went to bed and I read almost all of the short stories in Wide Eyed by Trinie Dalton.

Saturday morning we went to Alliance Bakery. I finished Wide Eyed and started Had a Good Time, another collection of short stories. These are based off real correspondance on vintage postcards. The rest of the day was REALLY lazy, mostly involving sleeping or watching 24.

Then Sunday morning we were super crazy productive. I bought groceries. NIck did laundry and cleaned the kitchen. Then we recorded the rest of the day. We're almost done tracking!! And our friend who took pix of us before set up all her gear and took pix of us playing.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Cool. Does that include being done with vocals?

I should be getting a copy of the D1gdown master in the mail, like, TOMORROW.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, boy -- I'm really excited for all of you, with the new albums and all. That must be really exciting. Do people have wrap parties at the end of recording like they do at the end of movie-shooting?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

I thought we saw match point on saturday night??? I'm dead to the world today.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, sure. So then what did I do FRIDAY NIGHT?? HUH HUH? TELL ME THAT! Oh, wait. Maybe that's when Nick and I watched Baxter at home? Oh! We did go to Cafe El Tapatio, my fave mexican restaurant on Ashland...

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

We're recording more Wednesday night and wrapping up everything then, including vocals, unless we decide we need to add more to any of the songs.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Sweet. Are you sure you have enough tambourine?

My band's tracking was done in three hours, and then we went out for calzones.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

We can always use more TAMBO!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure that your friend is an excellent DJ, Phil, but "FREE SPARKS ALL NITE" is enough to keep me far away from any party. I'm thinking about leaving the city. Just imagining what that place would smell like, with everybody all sweaty and coated in Sparks is...

Okay I can't talk about it any more.

I am sending mad love health vibes to Junior! He's just the sweetest old dog. I really hope he's okay, Amanda!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Mogwai, March 1, Logan Square Auditorium

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Also, my friend Deepak LOOOOOVESES the Funky Buddha Lounge. He never was able to talk me into going, though.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for the health vibes for Junie, everyone. I just received news that he threw up his breakfast. He has a doctor's appointment and I'll take a sick day and pay for a special cab down to North Ave. Animal Hosp. if I have to. I love that old dog! I know that part of loving a dog is knowing that he won't live forever, but I'm not ready to say goodbye right now.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

What's Sparks? Why are people always giving it away for free? Will no one pay for it?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

How old is dog?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

He's 13. I think. I adopted him when he was about 5 or 6, no one really knows. He's not ancient or anything.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Sparks is an alcoholic energy drink. Like Red Bull but with booze in it. I've never had it but I know people who love it, and simply judging by their taste, I feel pretty sure it's nasty.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds scary -- it would probably make me explode, seeing that I'm spazzy enough as it is. People can drink that shit all night long? Yipes.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Sparks is malt liquor, technically, that has that syrupy, cloying crushed up Sweet Tarts taste of Red Bull and smells like hell's own candy factory and has taurine and caffeine in it, just like energy drinks. Jeff refers to it as "candy beer" and that's about right. It's basically beer made for children.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds revolting.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

There are machines all over campus now touting Rock Star and Red Bull. It's a little frightening.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Well, college girls can avoid feeding themselves actual food so long as their bellies are full of ghastly energy juice, right? That's depressing.

Question - Do you work at the UIUC library?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

I live in (hushed voice) Indiana.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, oops. For some reason I thought you lived in Champaign. Nevermind.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I was born there!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

I love the giant cans of diet rockstar.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it's a good idea for me. I just had some RC with our pizza last night at recording and I was nutso, dancing around like I was Mick Jagger as I did my vocals.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Awesome.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

TS: dancing around like you were Mick Jagger vs. dancin' around like you think you're Janet Jackson

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

What's for lunch today? I have two pieces of oven-fried chicken that Maddie made last night specifically so we would have lunch 'leftovers' (but of course we both chowed on some before bed...guiltiest pleasure ever).

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

I couldn't do a Janet dance because I wasn't using a fancy wireless mic headset.

Will the chicked last until tomorrow in the work fridge?

For lunch today:
Toasted Bagel with Light Cream Cheese
Applesauce
Triscuits

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm having chicken with this weird black bean sauce that I made last night and some rice. And carrots. And Paul Newman's ginger creme cookies for dessert.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Sauce includes: garlic, a jar of medium-strength salsa, a can of black beans, cinnamon, raisins, cumin, honey and cayenne pepper. It's pretty good!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yay! Subtract the cinnamon/raisins/honey and you've got the sauce I usually put over pork chops & cous cous. In a slightly modified and more liquid form, it manifests as black bean soup. I've yet to figure out how to turn it into a gas but two out of three's all right, yeah?

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Because I hate onions, though, I usually cut up own vegetables, then throw in some vinegar etc to bring out the salsa-ish-ness. That way I can dice the unyun really REALLY finely so I can't find it later.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

You should try adding the cinnamon and raisins -- it adds an interesting little kick. Unless you don't like cinnamon and raisins. I had the chicken with cous cous last night too!

Wow, you hate onions? I love onions. I mean, ungyuns.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think I just settled on a new year's resolution: No more bottled water. We have a Britta filter and the tap water in Chicago is considered "excellent" (taste often varies depending on the pipes in an individual building) and I've been bothered by all the plastic generated by my buying individual bottles of water and the commodification of something so basic as water.

I just tried to make a pan gravy after frying some chicken breasts and I fucked up and had to dump it. Alas! That sauce sounds really good, Amanda. I like the sweet/garlic flavor combo.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I am totally eating the chicken for lunch today.

But more importantly, I had to go to a meeting in another building, and I stopped home on the off chance that my package w/cd master arrived today...AND IT DID! I am putting it on my iPod before I go back to work. So excited.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

I drink tap water all the time and I'm healthy. All hail the tap.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yay Jordan!

I drink a lot of tap water at school, but it has a very strong cholorine taste to it. I don't know if that's Chicago or if that's the pipes or treatment there. Anyway, I'm getting some new nalgene bottles. This will also save a lot of money!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm obsessed with the unmasking of JT Leroy.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Match Point - thumbs up?

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Is there more news beyond that New York magazine article, 'manda?

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah -- an NYT article too!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Eazy - Thumbs way down from me, but way up from Jeff and I think pretty way up from John and I believe that Nick and Sarah liked it, although perhaps not as much as Jeff.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

It wasn't WAY up from me: if it ends up in my 2005 top ten, it will be in the bottom half.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

what's your top ten thus far, j?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

also: i just emailed you about this thursday.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

I am thinking you mean 2006, John?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

I am all about the 2.5 gallon jugs of filtered water. I never did this in Milwaukee because I liked/was used to the taste of the tap water, but can't hack it in Madison.

The master sounds really good!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

I think I liked it more than anyone else in our film posse. I still can't quite articulate why though. Best answer I can come up with is that I wanted to vomit the whole movie, in the best possible way though.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

No, I mean 2005. I don't play that Jonathan Rosenbaum game of only considering movies that have opened in Chicago during the year in question -- Match Point was first released (in NY/LA) in 2005 and is up for Oscar consideration along with other 2005 releases, so to me it's a 2005 film.

Funny: Alfred Soto just e-mailed me to ask me my top ten. I'm not sure yet. The dust hasn't exactly settled. And I'm trying to see at least a half-dozen more films before I feel like I can make a good list: probably by the end of this month. (Among those that I still haven't seen: 40-Year-Old Virgin, Sin City, Nobody Knows, Palindromes, Walk the Line, Good Night, and Good Luck, and Murderball.)

But I will say that my top five so far is probably (in no order): Brokeback Mountain, The Squid and the Whale, Capote, A History of Violence, and Grizzly Man.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

rosenbaum's top 10 was such a cop out. He had like a number 1 and 2 and 75 movies tied for the remaining spots.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

The Squid & the Whale is still playing at Piper's Alley & I haven't seen it. I'm hoping it'll be there this weekend . . . I may venture down & catch it before it's gone.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Re Rosenbaum: I think it was just 15 movies in the top 10. He likes to do that thing where he gives two movies a tie just because he wants to compare/contrast them within his blurb.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Rosenbaum strikes me as the kind of guy who would make a really lousy dinner guest because he would never shut up and let anyone else talk.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Yo: I read Female Chauvinist Pigs yesterday and thought it was quite good (although I kept having all of these mixed feelings revolving around the fact that Ariel Levy's jacket photo was so hot: I kept having thoughts like "wow she's cool and she's a feminist and and she's only 30 and oh no I guess she's not a vegetarian but maybe that's okay"). Some of the discussion about today's teens was kind of scary -- I always assumed that all of the complaints about kids being so sexualized was just the usual parental panic, but it really does seem like things have changed even since we were in school. Although you can't really tell with these sorts of pop sociology books, either, based on limited studies. But I think her overall thesis is sound.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

It also made me wish I was reading it for a Women's Studies course in college, so I could talk about it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

The stuff with the teens was alarming. I like how she wasn't alarmed that teenagers are having sex, because that happens, but that their concept of what sex is all about had become so warped by a combo of abstinence only education and hyper-sexualized imagery.

We're talking about it now...

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

FCP still hasn't been returned by the library patron. I could be mean and find out who has it and stalk them, but that might get me fired.
One of the main things I notice, in stores, about the hyper-sexualized imagery is the underwear. Not to sound like an old fogey, but when I was 15 they didn't make thong underwear for the teen market, especially by putting pictures of Eeyore on it to make it cute. I find it very creepy. Don't even get me started on abstinence-only education...

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) Yeah: that these kids are having sex before/without having sexual feelings -- it has little to do with pleasure per se.

In fact, that was maybe the most insightful point that the book made for me: the way in which a hypersexualized environment is harmful not because sex itself is harmful but rather (in part) because it puts everything at this remove and directs the focus away from actual sexual pleasure. There's a passage toward the end where she says something like "you can watch all the porn in the world and think you know what's sexy, but you'll still never actually be in touch with your sexuality because you've never actually experienced what works for you in real life, with your own body." Even as a man, this sort of hit home.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

And Jocelyn: Levy definitely talks about the thongs for preteens.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Jews for Jesus, Thongs for Preteens.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

I probably shouldn't theorize too much without reading the book, but I went to college in a town where they had abstinence-only education in the high school, and the teen pregnancy rate was staggering. The high schoolers tried to convince their parents that they were going to have sex anyway, so why not educate them about it, but the school board and parents refused to admit that their children were partaking in such "lewd" activities. Basically it was the whole forbidden fruit concept, and a led to a lot of really disappointed kids who got pregnant after having sex once and not even enjoying it because neither party really knew what to do to produce pleasure, only the mechanics of it. (so basically what jaymc said)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

My friend Emily was telling me about her niece, who goes to Catholic school - obviously abstinence only sex ed. Apparently, there has been a huge hike in student pregnancies and *gasp* abortions. The school dealth with this by bringing students into the offices of whoever is in charge at Catholic schools in small groups of four or five and asking them what they at the school could do to better handle this situation.

Emily asked her niece if anyone mentioned that perhaps educating the students about birth control might avoid these unwanted pregnancies. Her niece said no, it didn't come up at all.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

I went to Catholic school through 7th grade, during the early years of sex ed (I think we had it in 5th grade) and I don't really remember learning about birth control, but I didn't really know what a penis actually *was* either, since we never saw a picture of one. I knew that my ovaries looked like horns on a goat's head and we were allowed to fondle a cow's heart once. But nothing much beyond that.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Here's the passage I was paraphrasing (yay Amazon search-in-book):

"Wattleton is right that one way we discover that we like plums or cashmere or oral sex is by being exposed to them. But there is a problem with using porn as a tool of mind expansion. You can see almost any act imaginable if you spend enough time on the Internet, but no matter how much porn you watch, you will still end up with a limited knowledge of your own sexuality, because you still don't know how these things feel. That will depend on who you do them with, what kind of mood you're in when you do, whether you feel safe or scared (or scared in a good way) when you go about it, and so on. The idea that sex can be reduced to fixed components as it is in pornography -- blow job, doggie style, money shot, girl-on-girl -- is adolescent. It is ironic that we consider this as adult entertainment. I don't see why we should regard porn as "sexuality in all its explicitness" any more than we consider looking at a chart of the food pyramid to be a feast."

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose this conversation should include the idea of teaching masterbation in schools?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Poor Joycelyn Elders.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Levy asks an abstinence-only advocate if she thinks masturbation should be taught in schools. The woman says, "Well, I don't trust teens to stop just short of sex." Levy: "I'm not talking about mutual masturbation, just plan masturbation." Woman: "Well, that's a personal, intimate issue, and I don't know. I've never thought about that before."

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's a fascinating topic, actually.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

"just plain masturbation," rather.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

When I first started 9th grade, I seriously thought I was in some sort of super elite group of smart kids because I hadn't dropped out and started making babies yet. Of course, I lived out in rural Virginia, but that was still the impression I was under. It's hard for me to believe kids are having more sex now than they were then, at least where I grew up.

xpost - It also comes in Lite, Garden Vegetable, and Creamy.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

I don't necessarily think they're having way more sex than when we were in school, but it seems like they live in a much more sexualized climate, which warps their ideas about what sex is all about: when they do have sex, they're doing it for the wrong reasons.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

unflavored for me!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

But historically, aren't teenagers prone to having sex for the wrong reasons? (acceptance, to have someone pay attention to them, because they think they're supposed to, because they're mad horny...ad infinitum?)

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

..."wrong" being relative, but i assume that we're saying that the "right" reasons are because you genuinely care about the person you're doing it with? i mean, what are the "right" reasons for having sex as a teenager?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

Because it's fun.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Because it's fun?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

BUSTIN' A NUT UP IN DAT AZZ

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry 'bout that, somehow I turned into a 15 year old.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Because it's fun.

...I got poxy fuled when I posted a response to Female Chauvinist Pigs, but the upshot was: I really want to read this book.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

That's a good point.

I didn't have sex as a teenager, so I don't know what I missed. However, I've never wished I could go back in time and consummate all those high school relationships. I don't think people are mature enough at that point to appreciate what they're doing. I know I wasn't. And despite all the protection options, I don't think teenagers are capable of using them correctly. It's better than nothing, but it's not good enough.

Also, I think a lot of people are OK with teens having sex either because they did it themselves and empathize or they didn't but wish they would have back when they were more attractive/healthier/happier.

That said, I'm all for LOTS AND LOTS of sex education beyond the abstinence pep talk. My classes kind of put the fear of god in me to not have sex, but they worked.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Also, my mom was so much into Our Bodies Ourselves and filling the entire bathroom closet with a variety of birth control options, that it's almost like I rebelled against her by not having sex. ha ha

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of things that are fun aren't good for a person. I am 100% in favor of ample sex education, but I am not in favor of advocating sex as something that's like, I don't know, a hobby, or a pastime, or something you do because it's "fun." That just seems to minimize the emotional and physical consequences of sex, especially for girls.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Kids (*cough cough*) masturbate from a very very early age because it feels good, but don't necessarily link that to reproduction (ie: that this is the feeling one might get with another person). Are there really kids out there who don't know how? It seems like something that comes naturally.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm being glib, of course, but I'd rather teenagers have sex because it's fun than have sex to seek attention.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

This conversation kind of makes me scared to have kids of my own, but I guess you just have to educate them as best as you can about sex and making good decisions.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

To Sarah: I'm not a girl, but you always read about how females grow up not knowing where their clitoris is or not having experienced orgasms -- and I don't get the sense that this is totally a thing of the past.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's not.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

I think masterbation is complicated. I'd guess that you're right that kids start exploring at a young age, but depending on their household, I'd venture to say that they are either encouraged or discouraged (directly or indirectly [guilt, shame, etc.]). I've known plenty of women that have either never had an orgasm or didn't have one until well into adulthood.

I'm torn on the teenagers having sex thing. On one hand, I had sex at a young age (although I was technically out of high school). On the other hand, I didn't have sex with guys I dated in high school, which was a blessed thing. I wasn't emotionally prepared for it & I doubt most girls are. On the other other hand, teenagers are crazy.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

XP to Sarah: Sure, but how many of those kids who figure out the big M AREN'T subjected to some kind of repressing lectures, even untruths, about it at some point, and most likely not with the understanding that it "comes naturally". That stuff'll fuck you up.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to my post: excuse my bad spelling. thanks.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno. I guess when I was in high school I was not exposed to a whole lot of "healthy" romantic relationships between boys and girls. Something makes me dubious that it's possible at that age.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

I wish sex education was honest education about the entire realm of sex. The emotional impact, how people can feel differently about it, how important it is to be in tune with yourself & learn & grow into being a sexual being. What the real impacts are: immediately & culturally. Why sex is such an uncomfortable topic for so many people. I think we're so naturally inclined to be curious about sex that it would make sense to satiate that curiosity.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with you completely.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Seconded.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

me too. it seems that education could help with such things so much--as a teenager, i was totally confused and ashamed of my sexuality, it was weird. i never went to catholic school, but went to enough catholic after-school programs that there was plenty of shame. even in a public school there wasn't much information beyond the basics, that i remember. and scare tactics about stds and the like.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Besides, it's not like "sex education" should be all about fucking -- or not fucking -- there is SO MUCH involved in it. So many other things. Why are we such an infantile culture?!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

We had sex ed in schools but they pretty much lead you to believe that you will get a horrible nasty oozing STD if you have sex without condoms, even if you and your partner have been tested.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

that's all sex ed was for us . . . that & a very basic biology lesson about what the bits are. Then we talked about AIDS and, at the time, ARC (AIDS-related complex)

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Kelsey, you are completely on the mark. There is so much more to sex than the act itself.

As for masturbation, I never talked to anyone about it growing up. I figured it was just something private, like using the bathroom. No one told me it was evil though.

I'm sad for people who can't come. :-(

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

I seriously have no memory of anything except the usual sort of menstruation-explanation, even though I'm positive I sat through the sex ed unit in junior high. I think I was getting everything I knew from fiction by that time, anyway. Which was odd in other ways.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

My parents educated me about sex by saying absotlutly nothing about it. They never told me, and I never asked. We had like 1 30min sex ed class at school, but there was nothing about having sex it it, only how to wash things.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

. . . and to this day, young jeffrey sticks his pee-pee in other people's ears . . .

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'M TOTALLY KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

I crossed a line with that one. Sorry Jeff!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

I was molested once DURING a sex ed class in 7th grade. I won't go into details, but basically I was too shy/scared to say anything. Also, the guy was black and I was worried I'd come off as racist if I complained (it was a fellow student).

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

My sex ed was dual-parted (heh heh): first, several (a week?) of hour long interludes in FIFTH grade taught by our gym teacher (female) to segregated groups of boys and girls. That was intimidating to say the least. The second part was in high school biology class, when people from the local public health department came and mainly talked about STDs and the prevention thereof. This was accompanied by possibly the scariest slide show this side of driver's ed. I can still see those genital warts when I close my eyes.

There was very little, as I remember, said about the emotional side of things, beyond the standard "something something emotional stress something something inadequacy etc etc."

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think my sex ed was roughly similar. In 5th grade we learned about the mechanics: for a couple of days, girls were whisked away and taught about menstruation while the boys had indoor recess, and then later, we all went to the Robert Crown Center in Skokie where we saw slide shows with sperm and ovaries and fallopian tubes and such. I think we were taught about drugs there, too. I remember covering sex ed briefly throughout middle school, too ... but then also in 9th-grade health class, where the emphasis was on prevention, contraception, STDs, etc. I think we did pass a condom around the class, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Those STD pix are horrifying. I remember really wanting to know what a penis looked like, so I was holding this sheet of graphic STD photos with one eye open.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

The preponderance of STDs and random medical deformities is why you should always do Google Image Searches for "dick" or "cock" rather than "penis."

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, John!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

The preponderance of STDs and random medical deformities is why you should always do Google Image Searches for "dick" or "cock" rather than "penis."

...this is about 5 seconds away from the funny thread, jaymc.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think health teachers get a kick out of those pictures. I've had ones who love to talk about birth defects and show harlequin baby pictures.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

While we're on the subject of teen sex, I read this last night. It's really quite amazing -- gets very close to the emotional truth of high school sex lives, which we all know are fucking terrifying. It's about sex, but also about the transition into adulthood, and... I could go on and on. Highly recommended. It gave me nightmares, but not about monsters and mutants. It gave me nightmares about girls in high school that I liked.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

There's a thread about it over on ILComics.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want to know.

Sorry I missed out on the sex ed discussion, I was working/setting up a myspace account for the band.

My sex ed was uneventful, though I wish I could remember if I had lost my virginity at that point. Probably not.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, Kenan: I started that, and then gave it to my brother as a Christmas present after he told me how much he liked Charles Burns. So I bought another copy the other day and can't wait to get back into it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I liked Black Hole a lot. I think jaymc was talking about picking it up too.

my life is an xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

that sounds awesome! i have a gift cert. to amazon . . . i think i know what i'm getting with it!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Good that you bought your own, jaymc. I think it demands multiple reads.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

That book looks cool. I wonder if the library has it. I mean, they had the Three Incestuous Sisters...

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 9 January 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

I wish i got off at 5pm like normal people.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

oh, and kelsey, i'm not offended at all!~ I'm actually suprised that wasn't the case. I was pretty good at figuring out things.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) I do, too, but it would mean I would have to wake up at some ungodly hour and that's not gonna happen.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

One of our afterhours people works friday through sunday 10am to 10pm. That is the best shift ever.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

No, it's not. That's the weekend.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

but but, I never do anything before 10pm on the weekend anyway, if I go out, it's usually late. And having to be in by 10am is divine. Plus I could take a lot of classes, instead of one a stupid quarter.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Secretly Jeff is right.

All the shit that I need to "get done" needs to be done during the week anyway. Back when I was "moving units" (read: hauling dead bodies), I only worked Fri-Sat. Which, as a ski bum, was totally fucking rad.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

(read: hauling dead bodies),

!!!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

I'm having mastering remorse. :( The mastering process added a lot of low-end which wasn't in the recording, which is generally cool, but I feel obscures the clarity of some of the other stuff (probably because the level of the bass was up pretty high, which sounds good when there isn't a whole lot of low end on it). Does anyone want to give me some perspective if I can YSI/e-mail a track tonight?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

That's amazing, Jib, I can't seem to get SHIT done during the week. Errands, laundry, trips, and projects are all weekend events. Weekdays are for work and workouts -- any other evening plans might cut into my combined reading & chain-smoking time.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

I just wish I never had to work. I'd get so much work done: reading, writing, decorating, cooking, watching movies. So sweet.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

I can't get shit done during the weekend either: (a) everything's closed and (b) I'm hungover. During the week I've got work, so I can't do shit, especially since when I get home I just want to chill.

Therefore: the weekender job that starts at 10am means that you can go out at night, sleep in, work a bunch, and then have ALL WEEK to read, chain-smoke and go to the post office.

xpost jaymc is OTM, obviously.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, that's supposed to be a little haha, but I actually can't really fathom how anyone ever has time to cook and have a social life. This is clearly beyond me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

You'd discover the joy of salt and pepper.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

It's not that I don't like salt and pepper! I just ... oh dear.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Jaymc is right, it's an and/or thing.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, I misunderstood. And fuck it, I've forgotten to go to the post office AGAIN, so for all I know they've sent that package back and it was a present for someone. Damn.

Jay, on the nights you cook, you make extra. Then you take it to work for lunch or dinner on the days when you're going out after, so you have a decent meal in your stomach before the socializin' starts. Or something like that.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, now, about the salt and pepper: I crashed at Jeff and Jenny's place on Friday night. When I woke up, Jenny was kind enough to make me a bagel. And it was a delicious bagel, and I'm gracious for her hospitality, yadda yadda. But I thought it a bit strange that on top of the cream cheese, tomato, and cucumber assembled on a whole-wheat bagel, she sprinkled salt and pepper. Later, I discovered it was for the tomato.

Now then: I totally eat raw tomatoes with salt and pepper (and, preferably, olive oil and basil). But the seasoning didn't really seem necessary on a bagel that already has something flavorful like cream cheese on it. The cream cheese seemed to take care of the problem that tomatoes often have of not being zesty enough. Just because you put butter on a solitary piece of bread or toast doesn't mean that you should put butter on a sandwich.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

If you feel like I'm dragging this out longer than it needs to be dragged (especially if you were at the movies with us on Saturday night), feel free to throw tomatoes (with or without the salt and pepper).

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

I totally eat raw tomatoes with salt and pepper (and, preferably, olive oil and basil).

This sounds wonderful. The simplest possible Italian meal.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

It is wonderful.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

My friend's cat eats raw tomatoes.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

(sorry to freak out about recording bullshit)

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

TS: cooked tomatoes vs. raw tomatoes. I think it's a draw. Cooked tomatoes are the foundation of too many dishes to ever ignore, but raw tomatoes have already achieved a perfect edible state -- that of fruit.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

True, and I find it kind of weird when delis ask if I want salt & pepper on my sandwiches -- are they saying their sandwich meat & toppings are flavorless?? That's all right, I spose, but I don't think I'd put it on a cream cheese-bagel -- c.c. is a different kind of savory, in my mind.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, XP several times over to Jay.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

Remember hearing about when people thought tomatoes were poisonous? What on earth did they *eat*?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

I love raw tomatoes, but I'm pickier about their freshness.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan: re recording, I think it's normal to have thoughts like that. I mean, it's sometimes hard for me to listen to the C4n4st4 record because I'm like, "the keyboard should be louder there ... oh wait, the drums sound muffled" etc. But I'm probably too close to it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

I need to get as picky about tomato varieties as I am with apples. Not just any tomato will do, I know that much. But I couldn't name you three varieties of tomato.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

< /tomato obsession >

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

And I am starting to feel like Larry David about the bagel, so I apologize.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, you're right. I know I do this everytime.

I'm sure it's fine, or as fine as it's going to get, but part of me is going "It's your last chance to fix things! Everyone will think your record sounds like shit!"

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

plum tomato
cherry tomato
tomato tomato
...

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

tomato tomato

haha

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

That's pronounced "tomato tomahto"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oh! And what about eggplant? Am I right, people?

Nightshades rule.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

Have I mentioned that I'm going somewhere tonight with a 2-for-1 burger special? What are they thinking?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

I want a tomato sandwich.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

tomato mozzarella sandwich = heaven

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

OMG yes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

just tomato, salt, pepper, make some super fine grated onion if I'm feeling frisky.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

Have I mentioned that I'm going somewhere tonight with a 2-for-1 burger special? What are they thinking?

Dude, this is disgusting but true. I went to the grocery store yesterday morning and bought a pound of ground beef and buns. Had three small hamburgers for lunch. Then for dinner... same thing. I ate an entire pound of ground beef yesterday. Could be that I was just craving it... hadn't had red meat in, like, a week.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

I need some oregano, basil, and a little olive oil up in there.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

Admirable, Kenan.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

xpost And if possible, prosciutto. But now we're talking deli, and that's a whole other ball of wax.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

I had a small bite of Kelsey's tuna melt yesterday. It was the first fish I'd eaten in nearly seven and a half years. It tasted ... fishy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, the first taste was like "mmm yummy protein!" and then gradually it was like "eccch, this was a living sea organism."

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

Have I mentioned Andy's deli? I know I've bitched about the snarky service before, but now that I'm a regular they're really nice to me. For four dollars, you can get a ham or roast beef or corned beef sandwich that you can hardly finish. And the soup is amazing -- order anything. I loved the cucumber soup, served hot, and with so much of a tang that it was more like pickle soup. Sounds weird, but trust me. These Polish know their tangy.

xpost John... fish is sooooo good for you. I don't know about canned tuna, but fresj fish always makes me crazy energetic and sharp. (And horny, but let's not go there.)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

(xp) Or maybe not even that: I was just really unused to the taste.

I know it's good for me. I've been plotting to reincorporate it into my diet for a couple years now -- I just never quite manage to do so.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

I like the passage John quoted from the book hours ago. We' ve got all this open language about sex and pornography, so that everything is seemingly verbalized (we know what all these positions and acts are called), so that it's kind of hard to transcend language when in fact that's kind of the whole point of sex.

My female health teach was married to my male gym teacher, and what I remember from sex ed is her telling us about how they used the rhythm method when they went on a week-long camping trip.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

The Catholics prefer to call it "natural birth control" now, since they've made it much more sophistocated (and complicated) than just "rhythm." ("Rhythm method" always made think of getting it on to James Brown, anyway.) But yeah, now there are lots of charts and graphs and measuring body temperature to the nth of a degree and paying attention to cervical mucus and... it's not perfect, but it's better, or so I hear.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

We' ve got all this open language about sex and pornography, so that everything is seemingly verbalized (we know what all these positions and acts are called), so that it's kind of hard to transcend language when in fact that's kind of the whole point of sex.

I don't know that it's that difficult to transcend language, it's just that (perhaps) fewer people are going to be inclined to do so. This is a little crass I guess, but I was at a party a few months ago, and there was this girl prancing around in a tiny little skirt and a really tiny top and generally making a big sexual spectacle of herself, and the guy I was talking to turned to me as she walked by and said, "You just know a girl like that is lousy in bed." Which isn't entirely fair, of course, but I know exactly what he meant.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

I learned a little about the rhythm method from that class but, dude, this was my health teacher talking about herself and my gym teacher doin' it. Which was okay.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, I stood outside your window tonight and threw a pebble at it, but you didn't look. Your phone was busy, otherwise I'd have escorted you to Gold Star and bought you a drink.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

Morrissey could have written that.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan, Perhaps you should try not listening to the recording for a while and come back to it with slightly fresher ears. Try to pretend it's not your band and decide if you'd like it.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

I brought cherry tomatoes to go with my salad today. Yum! I love to bring them to work as snacks too because I can just pop 'em in my mouth at my desk and not get my fingers sticky.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I liked tomatoes more -- the seeds bother me. Whenever I make something with tomatoes, I always remove the gooshy seedy part. The flesh part is fine though.

Good news and bad news:
Good: My class last night was so fun! I learned all about the Thai writing system, the consonant classes, tones and a few vowels. I have a feeling this class is going to be really cool -- up next: Kirundi, then Tunisian Arabic! Whee! Also, Junior has kept his food down for 24 hours, but he's still not doing all that well.

Bad: I thought I was going to graduate in May, but it turns out I miscalculated and I have ONE MORE CLASS after this one. At least it'll be a short 6-week summer class and my comps will be done.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Somewhat related question:
Do any of you have a framed college diploma (ie: undergrad)? If so, where is it hanging? Are you working in the same field now?

My mom and Nick's dad got our diplomas framed, so now I need to hang them somewhere for when they come to visit. It just seems sort of embarassing to me, because most people have undergrad degrees. Is it as bad as hanging a high school diploma? On the other hand, we met each other in college, so I guess it's kind of romantic to have them hanging side by side...

Good boy, Junior!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

I have a rolled up diploma in a bag from undergrad that is somewhere in my parents' house. For a long time I didn't think that I would ever use my degree, but I guess I am, sort of.

My degree was in international studies with my regional focus on Latin America (lit, language, politics.) I'm happy to be using it, albeit in a roundabout kind of way.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

I have an undergrad degree, and it's in one of my dresser drawers. It has a display thingy but I just don't care about it. I am working in the same field.

That being said, if it's a gift, and they're nice frames, why not? If you want to be kind of low-key about it, hang them somewhere interesting or unexpected around the house. Like in the pantry. Or, you can always hang them in your room.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, Hi. I haven't seen you in a while.

I wish I could have a party at my apartment sometime soon - a Keeping Warm Inside party featuring my favorite beer, Winter Warmer - but:
a) I'm broke
b) It's not even that cold outside
and
c) It appears that the reason I haven't been able to find Winter Warmer here is that the closest retail place is in Indianapolis.

Who wants to drive to Indianapolis to get some beer?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'll be hanging them in the "guitar" room, but that requires borrowing a drill from someone because both the frames are really heavy.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

What's this Winter Warmer? I've never heard of that. Who makes it?

I have a drill. But I don't really live very close to you guys.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'll be watching the ol' dollars this weekend & hopefully watching an insane amount of Six Feet Under. I'm hopelessly addicted.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

I say "hopefully" b/c I joined Netflix yesterday just to fuel the obsession, but my discs haven't been mailed yet.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

I went through that phase too, last winter! I have never watched teevee on dvd before that, and I watched like 12 straight hours of SFU during that one HORRIBLE snowstorm. Then I ran out of show.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah where do they have it in Indy? I could possibly help out...sometime in the near future.
When I was at my dad's over new year's, way out in the country, I watched 8 hours of the Law & Order marathon that was on USA.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I am so invested in this show! The characters! I'm only on disc two of season two though. Why hasn't netflix shipped my movies to me?!?!?!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I've had that beer! And I'm sure I've seen Harpoon for sale around these parts... or maybe I'm thinking of back home in MI.

xpost: I could pick some up if you want, too!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning, Chicago. I ate and drank too much last night and slept too little.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

The place in Indy looks like a wholesaler so it would probably be easier for dan to get it : (

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

I stayed up too late last night, too. I meant to get downtown in time for a 7 a.m. yoga class but I finished book 5 of Harry Potter instead.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

That beer looks tasty, but it seems like the kind of beer you can't drink more than one of?

I think I've recovered my equilibrium on the record. Like always, I was excited at first and then I got super-critical and swung the other way. Now I'm in the middle...not super excited, but able to say "it is what it is" (a raw live recording from a year ago with ups and downs) and move on to the next thing.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'm only on disc two of season two though.
That's as far as I ever got -- I missed Brenda and started to loathe the mom and the way she said "cam-ping."

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

"We went cam-ping" "I really love cam-ping" "My hairdresser Ed Begley Jr. and I enjoy cam-ping."

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Btw, there's one song from it up here and there will be another whenever the myspace monkeys are done with it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe a beer you could only drink like 3 of. The "Christmasy" (read: nutmeg/spicy) flavor does wear on the palate after a little while. Still one of the better of those types of beer I've had, most are kind of nasty.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Here is the addy in Indiana. I love how you are all jumping in to help me get beer. ha ha. (Yeah, it's by Harpoon)

Kelsey, it is a great show, though Nick and I had to take a break from it for a while because it was just SO depressing - brilliant, but depressing.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I went to Barnes & Noble last night and bought some books with a gift card and stayed up way too late flipping through them.
I am also hopelessly addicted to this game.
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00009XS6K.01._PE80_.Sphinx-and-the-Cursed-Mummy._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
Which makes me doubt my true mental age, at points.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

It's not depressing for me yet!

Amanda, if you feel like taking in more of the show, you know where I live & what I'm doing this weekend . . .

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't find it depressing either -- and I loved Claire's relationship with that horrible boyfriend Gabe (?) because it was so realistic and you know she's too smart for him but she sucked on his toes anyway because she wanted him to like her because she was LONELY. Come to think of it, I'm ready for more. I can ignore the mom if I have to. David was my favorite.

I do know where you live Kelsey, and I don't mind if your rats crawl on me.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it gets more depressing as it goes. I only saw a little of season 2.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I've never heard of that game! And I've only seen the first season (and the final two episodes) of SFU.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'm hoping to get discs 3-5 of season two via netflix & I'll probably start the mini-marathon on Saturday. If you want to watch them with me, we can make a plan! We could even watch them at your place if you want to be nearer to Junie.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

kelsey, what's your netflix email? We can be NF Friends.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Ditto here, if you feel like it. My netflx email is the same as my ILXor one.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

will you all be offended if i decline netflix friends?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

K - I'll call you when I know better what's going on this weekend with the studying, etc. Saturday is going to be sort of nuts because I'm teaching at Truman 9-1 and then I have to go to scenic Schaumburg to visit my friend from high school who is in town for a wedding. I'm excited about my class though.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

EVERYBODY HAS FRIENDS...ON THE INTERNET!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

...and cut. That's a wrap, folks.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, I stood outside your window tonight and threw a pebble at it, but you didn't look. Your phone was busy, otherwise I'd have escorted you to Gold Star and bought you a drink.

Aw, man! I was talking to my mom. I could have sworn I had call waiting, but maybe not. Have to remedy that.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

Oh I'm gettin' super nerdy now. In addition to my current work computer (Power Mac G5) I'm getting a P4 PC... Two computers at one desk. I need to figure out how to set this up.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

And seriously, this Virtual PC bullshit has got to go.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

i think it was the first two seasons of SFU that i liked the best. it's such a great show, but then it gradually goes from dark and funny to dark and superdramaish and not funny anymore (well, with the stuff i'm watching lately). but i still watch because i still have an attachment to the show anyway.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, there's a certain point where even if the story tanks, you still want to find out what happens to Claire and David and Nate and the rest of them. Does the mom get less or more annoying?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Whenever you guys say "SFU" I keep thinking "Shut (the) Fuck Up."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

John HATES 6Fu. ha ha

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen it! I only have time for one TV show per year. Last year was Curb Your Enthusiasm. I think this year might be Lost.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

We have Curb disc 2 at home right now.

Hey! The sun is out!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

I tries SFU last year and it was just too stressful...also I was trying to watch it during times when I was sickish with worry, myself, and my worries plus the show's black-humored mishaps kept mating and spawning a horde of little tension basilisks that made me unable to breathe. So I switched to Veronica Mars! Now it's time to rent seas 1 of Lost and Battlestar Galactica.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

the mom is possibly even more annoying in the season i'm watching...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I never really found the mom annoying.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Today I went a lot farther north on my lunch walk than I had previously. On 53rd Street between Cornell and the Metra tracks there is a defunct Thai restaurant named "Thai Twee."

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

Another one of those Thai restaurant names that sounds like it's a pun but it actually isn't.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

I was just thinking it'd be the preferred lunch spot for the Belle and Sebastian fans of Hyde Park.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, I just got a minor smackdown for internet usage at work (I think it was looking at myspace pages w/the streaming music player what did it), so I may be lying low for a bit.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

thank you, john.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Eek!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

but then it gradually goes from dark and funny to dark and superdramaish and not funny anymore

The episode where David gets carjacked was unforgivable.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Who wants to drive to Indianapolis to get some beer?

oh my fucking god winter warmer!!!!!
i used to email harpoon every year after thanksgiving to see how far west they could distribute it, pittsburgh was the answer two years ago. bar none my favorite beer ever.

anyone in chicago know of a cheap apartment for rent? i've decided i'm paying too much and need to move. i'd like to stay in the ukrainian village but realize i'm probably moving to humboldt park.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

can we not mention specific SFU incidents?!?!?! I'll crack!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

Otto, Have you tried craigslist online? Or the chireader?
I live on the border of Wicker Park/ Ukranian Village and I love it.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

1. Sorry Otto, I haven't heard about any apartments for rent.

2. Apparently, Fat Tire Beer, which used to not be sold east of the Mississippi, is coming to Chicago in a couple of months. I've never had it, but I've heard good things.

3. The deli forgot to put tomato on my sandwich. I am severely missing it. You need tomato to balance the sharpness of the Dijon and the cheese.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i've spent the morning scouring craigslist and got one place from the reader (the cheap place on chicago ave with the skylight). my girlfriend lives in wicker park, and i love living in the ukie village so i'd prefer to stay around here but it's not looking likely. i like my place a lot but it's too much for the little i have. sure is nice being within staggering distance of the bottle though.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

I hate my job so much right now.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry, Joce. :-(

I just emailed Winter Warmer. I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Not because the job itself is that bad (it beats a lot of other things) but because I work with a bunch of tightly wound vindictive people who scream at you if you ask them to finish a task that's part of their job, like this woman did to me yesterday for an hour. Also, one of my co-workers (who has been on leave for 6 months or so anyway) killed someone while drunk driving last weekend and the department head refuses to make a decision about his job, so we're stuck (well, 4 out of 6 people, the other 2 never lift a finger) doing his job even longer, which no one has the time to do.
And then I found out yesterday that another co-worker's wife died of cancer over the weekend, and no one in HR bothered to tell us she was sick, so I feel like a horrible person for bothering him about tech support stuff while his wife was dying.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear. That's a lot of truly horrible stuff. I'm sorry Jocelyn!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Harpoon replied: Thanks for the email! We'll do our best!
So, should I get my hopes way, way up?

That is very sad, jocelyn. I really feel for your coworker who was going through such a horrible event without the sympathy/consideration of his workmates.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Harpoon replied: Thanks for the email! We'll do our best!

i looked for the email i got from them two years ago but i think i must have deleted it. the lady was very nice but told me that if i was west of pittsburgh i could go shit in my hat because that's as far as their distribution network extended at the time. couldn't we just order a couple of cases directly from harpoon? my fabulous face graced their newsletter once upon a time, isn't a case of beer an even trade for unauthorized use of my visage?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

He's such a nice man too, who always leads lectures on community activism and religious tolerance.
Sorry to bitch, but it's very strange to think that the person who sat on the other side of the partition from me and who I talked to every day is going to be in jail.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

I decided I don't like Six Feet Under. But I generally don't like melodrama (see also: Brokeback Mountain). I'm not sure if it's because I have trouble taking it seriously or because I don't like to be emotionally controlled by stuff like that.

Interesting things I have seen lately:
1. Today I was driving home from work down Western and they were doing construction, digging up a big chunk out of the middle of the street, and as I drove by I glanced down into the hole and I think I saw rails, like old train rails that had been paved over. Was there ever a train of any kind that went down Western? Alternately, it could have just been street supports or something. It was at around 4400 N.

2. Yesterday I saw a truck that had apparently been slightly too tall to fit under the overpass it was trying to go under. Either he was going fast enough to force his way all the way through or they had pulled him all the way through, because the top of the truck, um, carriage (the part in the back) was completely torn up and shredded. It was pretty awesome (it didn't look like anyone had gotten hurt, lest you think I am being callous).

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen Six Feet Under, but one of the best things about melodrama is that you don't always have to take it seriously, i.e., it operates in this very interesting space between emotional involvement and ironic detachment. It can be treated as either, or both.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

those tracks are probably from the pre-auto days of electric trolleys. they went down the middle of most major streets. precursors to the el.

speaking of construction it's been 3 weeks, is the dpw ever coming back to fill in the giant-assed hole they created when fixing the water main that broke across the street? not that i don't love having a heaping mound of dirt being the first thing i see every morning and the flashing amber glow of the enormous flashing arrow does lend a certain ambiance to my living room but it would be nice if my girlfriend could park in front of my apartment when she comes over.

oh, and the more i look at pilsen the more i think it could be a viable solution to my housing woes.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - I agree. That's why I like it. If I'm in the mood for a boo-hoo, I get one. If I'm in the mood to sit back and watch people pretend to suffer, I'm able to do that too.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

I feel the same way about Freaks and Geeks which I saw for the first time this weekend.

I also saw a truck hit an overpass recently. It was an 3nt3rpris3 R3nt-a -Truck and there was a LOT of swearing involved on the parts of the people inside once they got out.

xpost

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think you can only order merchandise with the Harpoon logo on it, not actual beer. Am I wrong?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

Am I wrong?

i think you are correct. odd that i can buy a bottle of jamison from an on line retailer in illinois and ship it to my sister in somerville for xmas but i can't figure out a way to get a goddamn six pack of deliciously spiced beer.

we need a keg and a long-haul truck driving friend.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc is Canasty ever going to play in Indy again?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Hopefully! Not sure when, though ...

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ironic things about my day:

1. My Economic Justice textbook cost $106.

2. I got a C+ in labor law, my lowest grade in law school. Ha!

Maybe it's the two beers I had with my parents before checking my grades, or maybe it's the job and stuff, but I'm surprisingly relaxed about it. Also, I am in the computer lab and my phone rang and I jumped up to run out of the lab and answer it and grabbed what I thought was my student ID off the desk so I could let myself back into the lab but it really belonged to the woman sitting next to me. Awesome!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

That's pretty cool. When I was grocery shopping this weekend, I could see someone putting something in my basket out of the corner of my eye. I turned around and sure enough there was a 24-count toilet paper pack in my basket. So I picked it up and put it in an empty cart nearby. Then I looked at some vegetables. When I turned back around, three ladies were all staring at me. One said, "Excuse me, ma'am, but you just put your groceries in this woman's cart!" I mean, seriously - this was a stranger standing up for another stranger. I was like, "Oh, Oh, I'm sorry. You see, someone put it in my cart, so I thought it went in this one..." They sort of smiled, but mostly I think they thought I was loony.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

who is this otto person?`

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno. Otto, who are you? Do tell.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

What I Know: Otto has lived in Chicago for a while, but he doesn't really post to ILX much apart from I Love Baseball. He'll have to fill in the rest!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

What I Know: Otto has lived in Chicago for a while, but he doesn't really post to ILX much apart from I Love Baseball. He'll have to fill in the rest!

DATABASE.

Hi guys. Our internets have been broken ALL DAY.

Otto: Pilsen seems like a great idea. I secretly wish I had moved there.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Given unlimited funds, which area of the city would you (and you) live in?

― Jeff. (Jeff), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

RE A Million Little Pieces: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0104061jamesfrey1.html

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc you missed a good party fri.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

Given unlimited funds, I'd find the best apartment in Logan Square and remain in about the same place.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'd live in Marina City.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

Marina City is definitely pretty cool.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

Top of the Hancock.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

I broke down and am now reading "Female Chauvinist Pigs." It's the book of the month here, no?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

Don't worry: I'll probably be reading it sometime soon. What with all the RELENTLESS HYPE.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

Also reading: this, this, this, and was given a copy of this.

Reading is fun! And I also like pictures.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

My friend told me that "Epileptic" is fucking great.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno. Otto, who are you? Do tell.

i'm just a dude who's lived in chicago for a few years and posts mainly at i love baseball. i used to post here and i love music a few years ago under a different name (or two) but my tolerance for some things is much lower now. if you want to know anything else just ask, i'm usually pretty forthcoming.

where i'd live w/unlimited funds- one of those old assed greystones on LSD or this mansion (maybe it's a museum?) around clark or north or la salle and LSD. i don't get out that way very much but i remember passing by a few times and wondering what it must be like to live there. there's also this huge greystone in my somewhere in the vicinity of thomas and leavitt or oakley that's been for sale for a year that i would buy in a minute if i hit the lottery. it's beautiful and it's where i'd want to be.

i know people who live in both marina city and the hancock. one dude i used to work with bought two condos in the hancock in the 70s and made them into one huge place. he's retired now and as soon as his wife is done working they're gonna sell the place and live of the million$ they get from the sale.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

That last one looks really cool, Paunch!

I'm wearing a new pair of heels today. I thought that if I wore them on the way in I'd learn how to walk in them. Instead, it just took a really really long time for me to walk to/from the bus stop. Oh, well. I'm here now, and they look cute. (And I wasn't late! I was still 15 minutes early! WTF?)

Today for breakfast:
apple sauce and ginger snaps at my desk

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

Berlin: Book One is amazing. I hope he'll get around to releasing Book Two in our lifetime.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

if you want to know anything else just ask, i'm usually pretty forthcoming.

Will you come out for drinks with us some time?

I think I would live in Old Town. It's a neat area. Or right here in A-ville, because I love Scandanavians.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Berlin looks really good. I have fallen out of the mood for graphic novels. Unless they are horror comics. I'm always in the mood for horror comics.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

If I came in the way of a lot of money, I would buy a bungalow in Ukranian Village and fix it up. Or if we're talking a LOT A LOT of money, I'd buy a house on Hoyne or Potomac in my hood.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Will you come out for drinks with us some time?

if i'm not already out for drinks, sure. or if i'm not already out from drink, sure. anyone have any interest in bingo at the california clipper on mondays? booze, bingo, prizes from uncle fun.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

You've read Uzumaki, right Jenny? I feel like we talked about it once.

Jocelyn, I read another issue of Age of Bronze last night and now I'm hooked. I need to get the trades.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

YES! Now you are in my clutches.
Nutsy-I'm a little tired of all the this-is-my-life my dog died and my girl left me and then a squid man on the pier spoke Graphic Novels, but I'm always up for the historical/political ones.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny, since you are a law-yer, you should clearly be reading She-Hulk.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

We read the first trade paperback of She-Hulk and enjoyed it greatly. THen I realized I was spending too much money on comics. I should see if I can download what I haven't read.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Awesome. If I lived in town I would loan you stuff.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Btw, I mentioned it on IMM but the band is sending the master back to be redone. I am xtrmly relieved.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

anyone have any interest in bingo at the california clipper on mondays? booze, bingo, prizes from uncle fun.

I've been trying to get friends to go to this for AGES.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

anyone have any interest in bingo at the california clipper on mondays? booze, bingo, prizes from uncle fun.

I love the California Clipper. It's where Kenan and I first met Nick and Sarah when they moved here. I've never played bingo, though!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, COME ON! Where would John have played BINGO!? :-D

I've played many a bingo, but not in a very, very long time.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'd play some bingo. Do you get those giant marker things?

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, you've totally convinced me to blow my gift certificate to amazon.com on comics. it'll probably be my gift certificate & then some, actually. i was going to buy a harmonica book but whatevs! comics is a far more interesting/fun "mad money" purchase!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

JOIN US, KELSEY

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

It's been since "Blankets" (or that one that I can't remember the title of about the southern guy who is gay & it's somewhat of a fictionalized memoir) that I've really sat down & read some good comics. I ordered three . . . Epileptic & Berlin (both of which I've been meaning to read) & then Black Hole as recommended by Kenan.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

I feel so indulgent! But it hardly cost me a thing!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, COME ON! Where would John have played BINGO!? :-D

It's not like that!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

WE ACCEPT YOU KELSEY.
I need to hunt down the last three vols. of The Invisibles, since the library hates me...

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

We had Epileptic checked out from the library for a little while, and I paged through it and just didn't feel like reading it.

I loved Persepolis, though (if we're talking indie comics).

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Persepolis II will disappoint you, though.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

I would play bingo because I never have and I like to try new things.

Somehow, intending to get the most very bottom line cable available that should have only been pretty much what we get broadcast plus F/X and a couple other channels only clearer and with faster, cheaper internet, we ended up with over 70 channels. I can't tell if dude was being nice because I offered him coffee and breakfast or if I didn't ask for the right thing when I said, "The most basic cable that we can get." Anyway, homework schmomework. I've got TV to watch.

xpost: The Invisibles is one of my favorite comics eva. And Jordan, I've never read the comic you mention so you must have been talking to someone else about it.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff: I still have your issues of Y: The Last Man, if you want them back. You seemed non-committal about it last time I brought it up.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sort of on a comics kick, myself. Currently reading Black Hole, but I also bought Chester Brown's I Never Loved You, which has been on my wishlist for at least four years.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

When I was sick I read the first 8 manga of Bleach , which is my favorite new anime.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

70 channels??????????? I'm going to call and verify that the price i'm paying.

Doesn't he know that I didn't want that many?

John, sure I'll take them, and Aguirre too.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

OMG Jenny, you have to read Uzumaki then. It's the best horror comic I've ever read. There are three collections, and while I'm not normally a big manga fan, the art style is very creepy and relatively realistic.

They made a movie, but it's not nearly as good as the comic.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah - Jeff I don't know! Having flipped through them, I don't want that many, either! There's just so much yicky garbage on TV. I'm afraid I'll start to accept some of this stuff as normal and appropriate and lose my critical edge!

Although I am enjoying City Confidential.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

I have the whole run of The Invisibles on a disc that Jeff gave me, along with everything that Grant Morrison ever wrote for DC. Which is awesomely cool to have. Also downloaded the first 63 issues of 100 Bullets last night, which I'll get around to soon, I'm sure. I've only read about 20 or so. I guess you could say I'm on a comics kick, too.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if I like the idea of reading comics on a computer screen.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, I don't want to get all "decline of print culture, waaaaah" -- but it seems like comics, more than anything else maybe, call out for being able to hold and examine the pages, to follow the structure, key in on the details, etc. I guess I also like owning the physical thing because it's like owning artwork, in a way. Regular books come in different editions, with different typefaces, and it doesn't really matter, but there's something more sacrosanct about the original presentation of a comic.

Scott McCloud to thread, I guess.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

I don't either. Unless it's Jeff's screen:

http://static.flickr.com/31/45484364_b9a85d68b8_m.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

I have that same monitor here at work. A lot of the editors do, too. It's kind of funny to see a bunch of them all cranked sideways like that.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

I have two of those monitors at work, but I can't read comics on them. I kinda wish I had a reason to make them sideways.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

i loved persopolis. and the invisibles, but i haven't read all of the invisibles.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Read some PDFs, Jordan!

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

DOOM PATROL, best comic ever. Invisibles was a little too trippy for me.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Maddie lent me a complete run of the Invisibles in college and that got me into comics as an adult.

I'm only reading Doom Patrol now, as the trades come out. It's great.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Invisibles is great if you think you might like to combine wild government conspiracy theories, obscure tenents of the occult, decentralized cells of terrorists, and hot fetish wear.

I really don't mind reading comics on my screen. It's not a widescreen LCD screen, but it is a nive, big computer screen. Doesn't bother me a bit. And most of all, downloading all those comics saved me $175.25, before tax.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

Is that really a computer screen in the photo Jordan posted? It looks like a DVD or a video game propped up on some kind of holder.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

No, that's Jeff's screen.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff H34th?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

I've been to his place. He has a large PC monitor.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Jaymc:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeff/page2/

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

(I can't believe that Jeff was able to get "Jeff" for his flickr url!)

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm an early adopter.

Yeah, that's my monitor, it rotates for such fun things as viewing comics, and um, something else i'm sure.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Reading the internet while lying down?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

We just got a new computer and I had to reinstall iTunes and I realized that I didn't have any of my playlists printed/written down and I didn't know how to export them, so they're all lost. Then I thought that I could copy the ones I had put onto my ipod and then when I tried to use it on the new computer, I had to restore it. So everything on my pod had to be transferred again and all of the mixes are lost.

For some reason, I don't really care.

The reason I'm mentioning this is because we got a flatscreen monitor and it's really huge and cool and looks kinda like that.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Neat.

I never use playlists, for whatever reason.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

There's a way to save playlists, I know it... I think iTunes just uses an xml file. However, I think it also uses absolute file paths in the xml file, so the playlist is useless if you put it in a new place or move your music library or anything. I might be completely wrong about that, but I've never been able to successfully move iTunes music without yanking it out of the library and telling it where the songs are all over again.

Winamp is simple like that. The playlists are relative to whatever folder they're in. So just move the whole folder, with the playlist in it, and you're still good to go.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

what does it mean when someone tells you that they'd like to "hit you with a wet noodle?" an older person, hypothetically. is this an old term?!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

That means they want to do it with you.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

With a slimy, limp dick.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Serious answer: it means they want to call you to task about something but in a mild way. I think. My fourth-grade teacher said this a lot.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I've usually heard it as "slap you with a wet noodle" rather than "hit..."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

that makes sense. in the context of why i'm asking, anyway.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

It's frequently used as a joking threat, like "If you don't remember my birthday next month, I'm gonna slap you with a wet noodle!"

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Also following these words, "Why I oughta..."

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

(thanks for returning The Brown Bunny, kelsey)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Totally, Amanda. I can imagine an older Midwestern woman saying, "Why I oughta slap you with a wet noodle, you silly goose!"

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, and then she might pinch you just a little too hard on your upper arm. And it would hurt, but you wouldn't say anything.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I grew up in the wrong place. My teachers always looked they wanted to put a cigarette out on me and said things like, "One more outburst from you, Mr. Hebert..."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

But.. um... I may been pertyly responsible for that.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

partly, even.

Good morning, ILE!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

sorry i kept it so long, john! the movie, that is. i just added it to my net flix so i may actually watch it someday.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

One time a teacher in my school threw a desk at a kid. Yeah, he didn't get fired.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

All band teachers everywhere have thrown a chair across the room at one point or another.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

True. Choir teachers, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

haha So so true. My junior high band teacher was this awesome, firey lady with a remarkably outsized ass whose favorite threat was, "I will sit on you and leave nothing but a greasy spot on the chair."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Also, plastic chairs are easy to throw and relatively non-destructive, but boy... it really leaves an impression when I teacher does that.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Going off the obesity thread, I'm determined to give the deli sandwiches/pizza slices/tacos/subs/etc. a rest and pack some healthy lunches. I have a vague idea of centering my lunch experience around hummus, since I've been enjoying it with carrots/crackers/pita lately. Any hummus-related ideas?

xpost, awesome

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hummus is pretty calorie-dense, I think, but only bad for you in large quantities. You could make a pita sandwich with hummus, sprouts, cukes, tomatoes, etc? Or soup with pita and hummus.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) Hummus is great, although it's not entirely the healthiest, either! I sometimes use it as a sandwich spread in place of mustard.

― between two other hummuses (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost I'm not sure hummus is the key to weight loss.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

my 8th grade science teacher would throw erasers, metal stools & once he threw the metal trash can. usually these things were aimed at particular students.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Pita sandwich is good, that way I won't eat all of the hummus in the container (as is my inclination).

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

One time I was bemoaning the fact that I had, the previous night, eaten an entire small tub of hummus in one sitting, how disgusting etc., and G30ff (Eazy's friend) looked at me like, "I do that ALL THE TIME."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

he seriously does. i think he'd die if hummus went extinct.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

He's really skinny too, isn't he? I only met him once and it was like 2AM.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

I love hummus.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

he is.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

I do that every chance I get! The only bad thing about the pound of hummus from Sultan's Market is that it doesn't come with enough pita to polish it all off, so you have to go through several slices of wheat bread as well.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

And yeah, Geoff is the guy that the word "lanky" was invented for.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really like Sultan's hummus on its own. Too much tahini for my tastes. You really have to have the mind-meld of the hummus, Jerusalem salad, and chili sauce. Man I should get a falafel tonight...

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

oh. oh god. spicy falafel sandwich. oh god.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

...And he's skinny, so maybe it's not all that bad...

I am REALLY worn out with work today. It's... work.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

Oh sweet God, their falafel sandwiches are the best. They inspired me to try to make my own Jeruselem salad and make falafel at home. I even bought the jumbo jar of hot sauce.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

I am worn out with Sultan's. Which is something I thought would NEVER happen.

Also: my roommate got laid off!

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Hummus is okay during a diet. Serving size is generally considered 1/4 of a cup. In Weight Watchers land, that's 3 points, which is good as a snack.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm.

Maddie brought home tomatoes, so as soon as we're out of this seafood gumbo I'm going to begin a diet of tomato mozzarella sandwiches.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

MMMMMMMM. Don't forget the basil!!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think there's a day that goes by that I don't have some sort of sandwich for either lunch or dinner. That's sort of sad, I guess.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

The only things I miss about living in WP are Sultan and Penny's. Their tofu is MAGICAL. Come to mama, hot pepper noodle (no egg.)

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

No way! Sandwiches have endured the centuries because they're so nutritionally perfect and satisfying.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

No it's not. The sandwich is the lynchpin of civilization.

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

PS - Jeruselem salad = easy (for anyone who cares)

sauce is just tahini, lemon, water, garlic
add seeded-and-chopped cukes, seeded-and-chopped tomatoes, chopped parsley
and hot sauce if you please. keeps for 4-5 days.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

I read Epileptic. It was good but it was probably a mistake to read it when I was as sick as I've been in adulthood. Anyways, I own it if anyone wants to borrow.

They were train tracks. When I drove by today I looked down and could see where they had cut through the wooden slats that run perpendicular to train rails. Neato.

You know that song that I bitched about having to rewrite the lyrics for like two months ago? Well, we're recording the vocals tonight, it's the one song that doesn't have lead vox yet, and I still haven't finished the lyrics. Actually, I'm pretty sure I did but forgot to print them off my old work computer before I left. So I have to write a second verse this afternoon.

I too have an Amazon.com gift card. It's only for $25 but I'm contemplating using it towards the 6-disc collection of the Fall's Peel sessions.

I don't really like Penny's, esp. the way they marinate their tofu. Their pad thai is ok.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

I read Epileptic. It was good but it was probably a mistake to read it when I was as sick as I've been in adulthood.

I read Steven King's The Stand one week when I was as sick as I've ever been, with some kind of nasty malevolent flu... as if it wasn't enough that I was convinced I was dying anyway.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

amanda, you can buy that tofu at asian markets. i've been meaning to tell you this for ages! in my head I call it the "hot dog tofu."

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Penny's suuuuuuuucks. I can't eat cheap thai, got to go for the good stuff.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

You think it tastes like hot dogs?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

I don't -- it's sweet. And I like it. So there.

On a more serious note, Nick, were you sick with epilepsy or flu-type sick?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

how much older than you would your boyfriend/girlfriend/sig other have to be for you to think of them as an "older man/woman"?

really curious on this one.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

7 years

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Gib, what did your roommate do? That's a bummer. I was laid off once. It sucked at the time, but ended up being very good in the long run.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

It sorta depends on how old the people are, doesn't it?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm seven years older than Jeff and I don't think of him as a "younger man." I'd say ten years at least, maybe more like 12+.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

It has a hot doggy looking skin over it. that's why i call it that.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

7 years

dang!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Maddie is five years older than me, and she's old.

(I'm just kidding, I rarely if ever think about the age difference.)

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

I had a respiratory infection. Not epilepsy.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

It has a hot doggy looking skin
Hot doggy -- haha. I see. I'll look for it the next time I'm getting Asian market foods. By the way, Junior is improving. The vet suggested that we feed him rice instead of dog food (until he gets better) and he has been LOVING it.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

"It sorta depends" is very true. I hadn't thought of that. I once dated a woman 11 years older than me, and she was definitely an "older" woman. Meaning a lot more mature, etc. I guess 7 is just as I see it, in my life, right now. Keep in mind I'm dating someone who is a year younger than me but much more mature, etc, in many ways.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

Hm, Otto. My first bf was 6 yrs older than me, but I was also a babe in arms from a small town (and I'm kind of dim), and he's always been smarter and more well-read, so it felt like even more -- practically paternal! Which pretty much explains why we didn't last.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Gib, what did your roommate do? That's a bummer. I was laid off once. It sucked at the time, but ended up being very good in the long run.

He was a reporter for a local newspaper.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

The 19-year-old is seven years younger than me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, what's up with the 19-year-old, anyway?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's another side to the question... how much younger before they're considered as a younger woman/man?

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

In my situation, if they were under 21, I think.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

this is the one instance where being wildly immature is actually to my benefit. it was just a shock to read the phrase "older man" being used to describe me. oh well, what are you gonna do?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Are you seeing "the 19-year-old"?!

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Which (in about a month) will be... 7 years younger.

xpost

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

SPILL IT OTTO.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

how much younger before they're considered as a younger woman/man?

i suppose for me it would be 10 or 11 years. less depending on the level of maturity attached to the chronological age i suppose.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

I just wrote an e-mail to the 19-year-old. Either she didn't make it to the C4n4st4 show last month, or I just didn't see her (or she wasn't able to get in because hello, she's 19) -- but I figured I'd follow up before too much time passed. If I don't hear from her, I'll forget about her. Although I think she may be in Prague right now, so I won't be discouraged if she doesn't write back right away.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

SPILL IT OTTO.

nothing to spill. today is my birthday and my girlfriend (in what i'm sure was an attempt to make me not feel old) rattled of some benefits of being "an older man". for the next 4 months i am 8 years older than my girlfriend. but she's really mature and i'm really not so we have a common ground.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, of course she's in Prague.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Is that the secret with age gaps, that the younger partner has to be the mature one?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Possibly.

Anyway, happy birthday, Otto!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

I've only ever dated people older than me, but it's never been more than a 5-year gap.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Happy birthday Otto!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan you are younger than I thought you were, I think.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

every relationship i've ever been in where i was the younger one turned out to be a purely physical relationship. which isn't bad mind you but is kind of lacking. thanks for the well wishing jaymc, i look forward to kicking your ass in fantasy baseball this year.

PLUS!!!! on craigslist there is an apartment ON MY BLOCK for $100 cheaper per month. making that call tonight. today could be my day.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan you are younger than I thought you were, I think

Not to sound like a jerk, but I get that ALL THE TIME.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, how old ARE you?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

(Don't start, Nick.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

"It sorta depends" is very true.

"It depends" is true to the extent that it's also vague. Different people have different needs (note: note Wants, but Needs), and the extent to which your needs are complimentary determines the success of the relationship. To put it in the basest, most Freudian terms, some women need a daddy, and some men need a mommy. Those are the most extreme and simple examples. Everyone I know has relationships that are far more complicated than that, with both partners needing some modicum of an equal, but accented with shades of daddy-dom or mommy-dom. Or perhaps parents aren't the best metaphor for any of this. Perhaps one partner needs to satisfy his or her sexual and emotional needs that were formed quite apart from their parenting.

And age is a pretty light consideration in all this. It's a complicated world.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

i just had a general question of opinion.

no need to bust out the freud.

one of my pop's favorite sayings was "ask him what time it is and he'll tell you how a clock works."

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm 23.93 yrs old.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

Don't hate.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

NO WAY.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

I think we can come up with a formula for this. Maybe if someone is dating someone more than one-third older, then this is dating an older man/woman - the 18-year-old dating someone 24+ is dating someone older; the 24-year-old dating someone 32+ is dating someone older; 36-yr-old dating 48+; etc.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

no need to bust out the freud.

But I wasn't busting it out, but rather using it as the most reductive example of why women need men or vice versa. Which is kind of what Freud meant it as, too.

Hey, there will be no anti-intellectualism on this thread, buster.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

I just meant that to a 50-year-old, a 57-year-old probably wouldn't seem as "old" as someone who is 27 seems to someone who is 20. Or maybe I'm krazy.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

You're right, I'm actually 41 and just use a lot of skin lotion.

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm 60.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

something something, age difference vs. percentage of one's life, what kenan said

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I thought Jordan was older, too. Like 25. But I guess I also knew he was in college fairly recently ... hmmm.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I like Eazy's formula. It probably could stand a test of some amount of time. But I still say age is not the defining factor.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

I just figured that since you have mentioned that Maddie is 5 years older than you are, it meant she is 30 and you are 25. Then I looked at her myspace thingie yesterday and realized....no way! (Not to sound jerky)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, dammit, get out of my head.

Also, I had two pomegranate margaritas with my late lunch and, considering that I'm not exactly INHIBITED to begin with, drinking at work is just a recipe for disastah. Good thing I'm leaving early.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/05/21/married2_wideweb__430x306.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, dammit, get out of my head.

Sorry... sorry... I'm going!

Please don't call the cops, ok?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) Who the hell are those people?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000518.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Mary Kay and Vili!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

(I bet R. came up with that title.)

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, sorry paunchy, that came off as harsher than intended.

needs and wants aside i think i can hang my hat on eazy's formula if only because i think i make it by a few months. actually i just did the math, she's 25, i'm 33. her birthday is in 4 months. according to the formula i'm not an "older man" if i'm 8.33333~ months older. actually i'm 8 years 2 months and 3 weeks (to the day) older.

i skate on a technicality.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

Man, is that R. in the background?

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Mary Kay LeTourneau = The teacher who was jailed for having a relationship with her 6th grade student (Vili), who she had loved since she was in 3rd grade? Then she was released, but got caught having sex with him in her car and sent back to jail?

And now they're married and happy and both adults. She's 43 and he's 22. The Lifetime movie was awesome.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

half, plus seven

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

i skate on a technicality.

haha But you live or die on how much you like each other.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

I just figured that since you have mentioned that Maddie is 5 years older than you are, it meant she is 30 and you are 25.

She's almost 30! Turns 29 in a month and a half.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

When I was 26, I went out with someone who was working as a copywriter at an ad agency and doing well as a playwright too (and not in college or anything) -- I had no idea she was 20 'til she got carded.

(completely unrelated to the above - yes, I think that is R. in the background!)

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

Drinking at lunch = kickass!

I will be 25 on Monday.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Drinking at lunch = kickass!

This was for Laruel, btw. I am as sober as a judge.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

See, no offense to either of you, but Jordan should be older than Giboyeux.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Eazy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/54/MaebytheElephantBroach.JPG/200px-MaebytheElephantBroach.JPG

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

I am not offended by this.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

I keep getting this thread and the Jordy thread confused.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Me too, I keep thinking that's some former child star I'm supposed to recognize.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

You guys really don't remember Jordy?

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan, You just can't round a 28-year-old-turning-29-soon up to 30. It ain't fittin' and it ain't fittin.

Now the real question, Eazy, is how does this convert to dog years?

Nick is only 1 year and 8 months younger than I am. Most of the time, I forget the age difference. I think in many respects he is more mature than I am, but whenever he does something I think is dumb I rationalize that he doesn't know better yet.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

Now who is that in the photo?

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

C'est comme ci, C'est comme ca, c'est comme ci, comme ca!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

TS: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/54/MaebytheElephantBroach.JPG/200px-MaebytheElephantBroach.JPG vs. http://members.fortunecity.com/johnrobinson9/scansg/gilberts/Sara%20Gilbert%204.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

So if a two-year-old dog is dating (licking) a four-year-old dog, hmm...([x/7]*0.333)..

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

You guys really don't remember Jordy?

I totally remember Jordy. I even remember buying Billboard from Borders in early 1994, when "Dur Dur D'Etre Bebe" first charted. (Time cover that week: debate over RU486.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, sorry Sarah.

For years I would round my age up to the next year when people asked, to the point of forgetting how old I actually was (and then adding a year onto the fake age, etc.). It comes from skipping 4th grade.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Reason #9660 I like living in Chicago better than in the middle of nowhere: Items ordered from the interweb with regular-ass shipping still show up overnight.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, guys. I am already worn out, and it's 9:15. Damn this project! Curses on its mother's grave! Grrr!

Also, it's SO hot in our office.

I think tonight I'm going to drink beer and watch 24.

By the way, a friend of mine who has posted a handful of times on this thread is having her b-day party at the Hide0ut this Saturday night. Basically, it's a regular dj dance party night - she's just decided to celebrate it there. So if anyone feels like dancing, you should come hang out.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like an idiot for not paying more attention to this Antony and the Johnsons album before. I love it so.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

I am tired too, but my clothes are still a little damp from not going through a full dryer cycle this morning and it's kinda refreshing.

I was at work until close to 9:00 last night. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

My underwear is damp from that today. Foxy.
The erstwhile patron finally returned Female Chauvinist Pigs to the Library, and I read the first 15 pages while on break. Depressing.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

We watched Mysterious Skin last night. Very depressing.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know why I capitalized library. I hope I have not been possessed by the disgruntled soul of James Frey.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Female Chauvinist Pigs to the Library

I would read this book. It sounds like an imperative sentence - "Female chauvinist pigs...to the library with you!"

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Or some kind of children's book.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's a rule: Books about going to the library are good. Esp the one about the bookish girl who ends up a spinster with so many books that the neighborhood kids come to HER house to read. That's going to be me and it's going to be GREBT.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

I have not listened to the Antony & the Johnsons album. As a Johnson, I have surely failed my people.

Oh! Guess what?! We finally finished tracking last night for real!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

xpost I already have that friend, and I love it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Cool!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

I bought plane tickets to New Orleans last night.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

For when? And why?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

For your nuptials?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

A Girls With Low Self Esteem Honeymoon!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

For Mardi Gras. The band is going down and playing and Maddie's coming too.

We were seriously talking about getting hitched on this trip but decided there wasn't enough time to do it how we wanted (I don't mean prep time so much as time in New Orleans).

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Haha.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I also don't know how I'm going to feel being down there for the first time since Katrina...I don't want to get married while depressed. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

my night wasn't too bad. my girlfriend originally said she was too sick to go out but called me around 9 o'clock saying she was circling my block looking for a parking space. she came over, gave me a boat-load of birthday presents, took advantage of me in the bedroom, made me some dinner, then left (despite my protests). the only way it could've been better would've been if she mixed me a cocktail on the way out the door.

and my ex girlfriend sent me a couple of dvds and this book i've wanted for a while.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Oh shit! That books looks totally up my alley. I'm envious.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

took advantage of me in the bedroom

You were kicking and screaming, I'm sure.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds like a perfectly good birthday.

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

You were kicking and screaming, I'm sure.

only in the good ways, i assume...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

Julia, you're dirty.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

more thrashing and moaning going on than kicking and screaming.

paunchy, that book totally kicks ass. i love stuff like that. for my job two years ago i had to research the history of a parcel of land in streeterville and was looking at maps from the turn of 20th century, it was odd to see single family homes and farms on michigan ave. i dig recent history in a big way, it seems so tangible to me.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

more thrashing and moaning going on than kicking and screaming.
TMI!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

Julia, you're dirty.

oh no!

btw, happy bday otto. sounds like you had a nice time of it.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

it was odd to see single family homes and farms on michigan ave

I'm proud that I live within the original city limits of Chicago. Wood street was an original dividing line, as was Division. So I live in the Original Chicago, and Nick and Sarah do not, despite the fact that I can walk to their place.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

oh no!

Yes, I hate you for it. :)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

TMI!

did i mention i pretty fortcoming? did i mention it's to a fault? sorry 'bout that.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

No one wants to hear about your coming forth.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Wood street was an original dividing line, as was Division. So I live in the Original Chicago, and Nick and Sarah do not, despite the fact that I can walk to their place.

well then i'm proud to be an outsider. western & augusta in the hoooouuussssseee!!!!!!!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

No one wants to hear about your coming forth.

i swear i thought that said "froth".

i was grossed out for a second.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Do you know the original dividing line to the south? Just curious.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

No one wants to hear about your coming forth.
I mean, really.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Nope. I can guess though. 19th Street?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, that's likely not true. South Chicago is much older than North Chicago. Washington park is one of the oldest parks in the country.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

I really have no idea, I just figured it's be farther south than the corresponding distance to the north boundry.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

it'd

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

The Pilgrim Baptist fire has kind of jogged me into a "discover the South Side beyond Hyde Park and Sox Stadium" frame of mind.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Chicago, 1901

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

Alright, bitches... lunchtime. What are we eating this pleasant noon?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

And pleasant it is! 50 degrees and sunny. January simply does not get any better than this.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

I feel bad because there is still seafood gumbo left over, but I don't really feel like eating it again. I'm either going to get a po' boy of some sort and stop by the Wine & Hop Shop or go home and make a tomato sandwich.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

I'm having the buffet at Pizza Hut. Oooh... that salad bar. I want cucumber and celery and cherry tomato so bad I have butterflies in my stomach.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Methinks I will stop by the local Asian noodle concern and acquire some spring rolls and Tom Yum.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

Quite a pleasing respite for an old knickerbocker such as myself.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I have no idea what I'm talking about.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

i'm kind of hungover still. did i mention that when my girlfriend said she was too sick to go out for my birthday i decided to get liquored up? so i went out to a bar for a few hours after work last night and had a couple of pops. and i fell off the cigarette wagon. i've got a bit of a headache, my eyes are still burning, my sinuses are clogged, and it feels like a mule kicked me in the chest.

the only food i want right now is a big-assed plate of scrambled eggs.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Haha. I had the Pizza Hut buffet last week, for the first time in years. I told myself I would just get a salad and only have, like, ONE piece of pizza, but I'm sure you know how that story ends.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

haha Yes. With lots of sausage.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

And breadsticks. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, you had to go and mention those, didn't you? Damn you.

Ok, I'm gone.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

So I live in the Original Chicago, and Nick and Sarah do not...

GOD, NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

For lunch today: Minestrone soup & salad w/ avocado

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah wins the healthy lunch contest.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

I had cream o' mushroom & salad. I'll probably break down & get some chocolate pudding in an hour.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

xpost But she is sorely behind in the pizza buffet and breadsticks contest.

Ok, now I'm really leaving. I just had to take a minute to open all my windows. Let me say that again... OPEN ALL MY WINDOWS. This is the best day ever.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Christ, I have to go for lunch someplace that takes debit cards, because with only $12 in the bank I can't get it out. That means actually walking the halls downstairs -- bummer drag, dude.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

I had cream o' mushroom

You silly. That's not a food, it's a casserole ingredient.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

not this one! it's the frozen one at trader joe's . . . it's less creamy in the soup & they add cheese & croutons on top. for what it is, it's surprisingly not that caloric either.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone know where John is? I've emailed him once & called him twice to no avail . . .

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

he just called me back, scratch that.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Is he having an adventure?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

He stayed home from work.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, it's stupid, really. I stayed up way too late, again, despite my New Year's Resolution not to. But when I woke up this morning, I decided my health and well-being was more important than my obligation to my job, so I stayed home. I still don't know if it's the right idea. But I just couldn't bear the thought of dragging through the day on only three and a half hours of sleep once again.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Also, as someone who is often (too) forthcoming, as my friends who have seen me drunk can attest, I welcome Otto with open arms.

We watched Mysterious Skin last night. Very depressing.

I think this is supposed to arrive from Netflix today. Alfred Soto raved about it, but I have also had an embarrassingly longstanding crush on JG-L.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

I stayed up too late last night watching episodes of Six Feet Under & now I'm worried I'll fall asleep during the movie...

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot to tell you guys about what I overheard on the train last night.

This teenaged girl was sitting behind me talking (LOUDLY) and she hung up her phone and said, "That was Kina. She said this girl she strips with just showed up for work with her booty pierced."

Her friend: "She pierced her asshole?"

Girl: "No, she got her BOOTY pierced, on the cheeks, so it hurts everytime she sits down for the rest of her life." [laughs]

Oh dear.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

I would have lost my shit right there.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it was pretty good.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

There's something terribly wrong with this "Female Chauvinist Pigs" book. It took me a while to notice it, but after she spent the better part of 50 pages talking about Playboy magazine, I looked away from the book and thought to myself, "Why?" I mean, I would be hard put to imagine anything more irrelevant to a discussion of sexuality, current trends in sexiness, or even capitalism. It's a dying company. Poor, poor Ariel Levy. Someone told her that someone still cares about Playboy magazine, and she believed them. She even interviewed the head of the company, who is -- gasp! -- a woman, and the woman said the sort of obvious, stupid things that the head of Playboy would say. You could write this interview yourself.

Meanwhile, the index makes no mention whatsoever of "Suicide Girls." Now there's an interview she could have used.

I don't mind her premise, which seems to be that sexiness has been replaced by consumerism on a wide and frightening scale, but so far she's not convincing me. I'm reading about Paris Hilton, but I'm thinking, "Wait a second. I don't know any women like this. Nobody knows any women like this. Is this really a problem?"

xpost then again, I don't know any teenage girls.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, spend some time on campus. For research.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I'm going to keep reading anyway. I do like her angry prose. She has a way with a phrase that can make you as pissed off as she is.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

It seems like she's writing for a pretty wide audience, and we're not exactly representative of the gen pub. That could explain the familiar reference points, I would imagine.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but even as an example of women selling out women, she could have found something less laughable than Playboy.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Well, yeah. I agree with you there.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe she's using Playboy as an example of how Everything Old Is New Again when it comes to the objectification of women.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh sweet Chicago gangs: http://www.gaylords712.com/bindex.html

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone read that book about the Latin Kings? I did. The book itself was mediocre, but reading about the way that Wicker Park used to be was riveting. The area right around Clemente, Division and Western was drive-by city back then. It was pretty interesting.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

How was the buffet? I ended up going home for leftover gumbo.

With a side of lovin'.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

title please? sounds like it could be my next read as soon as i'm done vinyl junkies.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

My Bloody Life. It's not that good, but it's plenty lurid.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm with Laura Kipnis on this one. And on most other things.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

It's not that good, but it's plenty lurid.

eh, how good does it have to be considering 90% of the time i'm reading it i'll be on the blue line or the #49 bus?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Not that good. Just make sure you don't represent amor de Rey to the wrong person. The book has dozens of Spanish spelling errors too, which I found amusing.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, I think she uses Playboy because the the Playboy bunny specifically is being coopted by women as a symbol of their feminism. People aren't wearing Suicide Girls pendants on TV to show that they are part of the new, powerful, sexual, feminist order so there's less there to compare and contrast. She speaks specifically about Playboy as a symbol and an institution. Suicide Girls is, comparatively, just a website. It's part of her larger thesis.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Also - job seekers, one of our volunteer attorneys is looking for a 9-5 full time receptionist for his law firm if anyone is interested. I don't know anything about pay or benefits, but if you want, email me a resume at j3nburg3ss at m4c d0t c0m and I'll pass it along to him with my blessings.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

I SO wish I were outside right now.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

It's beautiful here.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

I just took a walk to Dusty Groove and Blockbuster. I bought the Cult Cargo: Belize Blow-Up compilation on Numero Group and it's incredible. Go out and buy everything on Numero Group, if you haven't already. Best label around right now.

I have no interest in that Female Chauvinist Pigs book. I'm reading a book about feuding 19th-century paleontologists Edward Cope and Othniel Marsh. How come no one is named things like Othniel anymore?

Now I'm finally going to call about high-speed internet and get some data on prices. Who offers DSL in Chicago besides Verizon and Comcast and RCN?

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

SBC offers it, that's who we use.

Tell me more about this CD you bought.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

i'm leaving work in 15 minutes (75 minutes early) so I can get to the post office at Ashland & Division to pick up my new (to me) turntable! yay!!! the old B&O is being replaced by a newer B&O. now i just need a used amp/receiver for the bedroom so i can listen in there too.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

I need to get the belt on my turntable fixed, and then get all my records back from my girlfriend. Is there a consensus on a place to take something like that to be worked on? It's not fancy, but it's not a cheapo one either.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

It's a collection of music from Belize from the '60's and '70's, mostly heavily soul and/or reggae influenced (though the first song is a blazing instrumental disco track). Right now it's on a reggae cover of the O'Jay's "Backstabbers."

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, SBC! That's who does our landline, I think, not Verizon. We get SBC bills, right? Maybe you get some sort of special deal for doing both with the same company.

Did they have the next disc of 24 we need?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Is there a consensus on a place to take something like that to be worked on? It's not fancy, but it's not a cheapo one either.

someone recommended decibel to me. if all you need to do is change a belt i'd say DIY baby, it's not too hard. even i can do it and i am, for all intent and purpose, pretty much a functional retard.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

That's the thing. I'm not sure if it's just the belt, or anything beyond that. It's been through a move in the time since I last used it regularly. Shameful, I know.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Back on the job front: there is a web admin position, book cover design positon, and some other interesting stuff available.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

(where I work)

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

how experienced do you have to be to do book cover design?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

[it's something i'd love to do but have no practical experience in]

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry, I misread it. It's not Books Design, it's Books Production. The requirements say: "Bachelor's degree OR a minimum of three years of publishing experience required; experience with Macintosh and PC platforms strongly preferred; experience with Adobe PhotoShop, Adobe Illustrator, and Adobe Acrobat preferred; ability to learn and apply new technologies required; knowledge of current graphic arts processes required; excellent interpersonal skills in relating to peers, supervisors and vendors required; high degree of organization with the ability to handle multiple, concurrent projects required; flexibility to deal with last-minute changes on projects required; excellent written and verbal communications skills required."

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

And with that, I bail on work early.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Every time I see the Chicago thread slippin' on the New Answers page, I think, OH NO! Chicago, it's supposed to ...Be Our Year! Get with it!

I'm blowing this joint in T minus 30.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

SAVE CHICAGO.

I'll be here for 1.5 - 2 hours longer, but nothing like last night.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

We're going to give siphoning another shot tonight so we can rack our beer into a secondary container. We're physics dumb. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

That job posting Dan mentioned is basically what I do already. Do I want to move to Chicago?

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, you do!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, no. I mean, I'm sure it's awesome but I like New York for the time being. Although I could wave at my lake every day, there, which is tempting!

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 12 January 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

Move to Chicago. You can swap me out, as I think I'll be leaving in May.

...for Montana!

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 12 January 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Montana! That's weird.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

Weird?

Why? That's where SCHOOL is.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

There are schools in Montana? I imagined it was all just a bunch of pretty mountains and sheep and gay cowboys.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

I figured you were planning to be a dental floss tycoon.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Nice, Jenny.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Montana is a pretty great place for a school. What are you going to school for? I forget.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Someone I used to know moved to Wyoming to go to school to build & service race-car engines, which seemed equally random. I was kind of envious but then we lost touch so I don't know how her story ends.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

goddamn retard didn't know how to pack a turntable for shipping. anyone want to buy a bang & olufsen with a tone arm in 3 pieces?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Wait. Didn't you get that off ebay? You should let the sender know. Maybe they could give you a little bit of your money back...?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Wait. Didn't you get that off ebay? You should let the sender know. Maybe they could give you a little bit of your money back...?

yeah, terse email has been sent. i'm so glad i didn't send it last night when i was somewhat more piqued about it.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I need to buy more records. I guess I just hesitate because I want everything in i-tunes. I-tunes, why do you hate on records so?

That sucks, otto.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to pre-Doctor School. I'm a little apprehensive about leaving the city, but then I do this http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=hyalite+canyon&btnG=Search

All the gays are in WY, btw.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, yeah, doctor school. Nice. I would post one of my Montana honeymoon photos now, but I don't remember what happened to the ones I had stashed here at work. Whenever I was in a really really bad mood I would look at them and calm down.

I like buying/listening to records, but only if they're cheap.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

I have a crazy idea.

I want to plan a trip (late spring? early summer?) to a cabin in the woods in Michigan or Indiana or something - one of those campsites where they have working toilets/showers somewhere, but also pits for big bonfires with S'mores and grills for burgers and pretty woods to hike in and a lake to canoe on... Any good ideas? Maybe we could get a crew together and have a cabin party for a weekend or at least stay in neighboring cabins. WHO'S WITH ME?

It would be like camping minus some of the work.

Alternately, we could just go camping.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Or Montana... How far away is Montana?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://local.google.com/local?f=q&hl=en&q=bozeman,+mt+to+chicago,+il&btnG=Search

Cabin camping is the BEST.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Devil's Lake (in Baraboo, WI) sounds a lot like what you're describing, Sarah. I'm sure there are tons of places though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

There's good climbing in Devil's Lake!

(well. for the midwest!)

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

I love cabin camping. That was our honeymoon, basically. We like to go to Mammoth Cave in KY, but it's about an 8 hour drive from Chicago. It's rilly rilly cool though -- the longest underground caves in the world! (Not largest, but longest.)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Funny, last night Maddie & I were working out a conspiracy theory about a local grocery store chain. We suspect that their beer and wine gives you the illusion of choice, but it's actually all the same shit that they make themselves. This is because it's all from breweries no one has heard of in places that NO ONE LIVES, like Dakota and MONTANA.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

This isn't quite what you were looking for, but my parents have a guest house that sleeps 6-8 people, which they rent out. It's on its own lot next door to our house, has full kitchen & bath, three bedrooms and a futon in the liv rm, about a mile from Lake Michigan and 5 miles outside the town limits. There's even a built-up fire pit behind the house, my brother dug it out last summer and lined it with bricks for proper fire safety, and there are big stumps to sit on.

http://www.the-carriage-house.com/

Should any of you ever have an undeniable urge to visit scenic Whitehall.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, that's cool! Carriage houses are dreamy.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, you'll have to excuse the horrendous photos & page design. My mother is barely computer literate, most of the time we're just glad she remembers to DOUBLE click.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

That may be true, but "Story-telling, singing and laughter" are indeed the perfect way to end a day!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

There are LOADS of micro-breweries in MT and everywhere else in the intermountain West.

http://www.bigskybrew.com/

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, she's also, like, the All-Mother of Twee.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

But why would a small chain of grocery stores in Wisconsin exclusively stock beer from the intermountain West? And why are all the labels glued in the same hard-to-remove way?!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

But seriously, folks. Who would be up for a weekend of cabin camping adventures?

I might be too wussy to CLIMB things, but I'm all about walking.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds like a lot of fun, but (as usual) I can't really take any weekend trips for the next 16 weeks because I work on Saturdays now. So. Yeah. Wish I could, because it sounds like a lot of fun and I love cabin camping.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I also love climbing things. I found a picture: (this is at the end of a long hike, right after we ran into a family of mountain goats!)
http://tinypic.com/k4b5ab.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry that's so large. It was a large mountain.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

I want to plan a trip (late spring? early summer?) to a cabin in the woods in Michigan or Indiana or something

I could go on and on and on about this. But you guys probably don't want to hear all about it. Suffice to say, if you want some info let me know.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

I am up for either camping or staying at the Whitehall guest house -- although I wonder if the annual Memorial Day cottage retreat that my friends go on (also in Whitehall/Montague) will happen again this year.

I've gone camping twice in the last few years: the first time, we went down to Starved Rock in Ottawa, Illinois, and the second time we went to ... where, Warren Dunes in Michigan? Maybe? I don't remember.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I bet the U.P. is pretty dope in the spring.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, That's so pretty! I wouldn't mind climbing. I don't have a fear of heights or anything. I'm just being realistic about what my body can and can't do. I can walk uphill just fine. I don't think I could rock climb though.

Ok, John, are you in? Would you want to go back to either of those places? I haven't been camping at all since I was 14 I think. I went with my cousins' youth group. Growing up, we'd go every summer either with our church or our relatives.

Amanda, maybe you could get a Saturday off?

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Late spring, maybe. June is usually the best. xpost

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I just gotta rep for McLain State Park. It's right on Lake Superior, they have cabins and tent and camper camping. Not too far from town, either. I spent a lot of my childhood at the beach there.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Jay, you must be the most Michigan-friendly person I know who isn't FROM there! But the carriage house isn't really camping, your idea of a good vacay would have to be hanging out at the beach all day, jumping off the pier, and drinking beer around the fire at night. And the Big Lake is still too cold for the swimmin' around Memorial Day.

Y'all should go do the cabin thing and wash your hair in the lake, it's fun!

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose it's possible to take a Sat. off, but the (boring) problem is this:
I'm teaching the first class this week, then I have to take two weeks off for comps (and get a sub). Then I come back and teach for 13 more weeks. I want them (Truman) to give me more classes and think that I'm their #1 new hire, so I don't want to take too many more weeks off if I can help it. That said, I'm excited about my first class tomorrow.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

I would totally go back to Starved Rock -- it's really pretty there. Also, we were able to set up tents right in the middle of this field; there were other people there, but it didn't feel very campgroundy in the sense of everyone having their own plot right next to one another. It's about an hour and a half southwest of Chicago.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Laurel: well, I lived there for four years!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, speaking of Michigan, Maddie and I are going to take a trip there sometime this year just to drink at Bell's. Her cousin and brother live there too.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Sarah -- so are you guys def. doing the Wheaton show now? It says so on our site.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Starved Rock looks perfect!

I wouldn't mind camping in a tent, but I don't own one. Also, I'd need to be camping with people who are proficient at putting up tents.

xpost- Yes! I just found out this morning.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't mind camping in a tent, but I don't own one. Also, I'd need to be camping with people who are proficient at putting up tents.

Ditto.

I actually forgot that you were talking about cabins in the beginning. I'd be up for that, too -- I just don't know anything about potential cabins.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

One of the things I miss about Austin is being able to drive twenty minutes and have hills to hike on and caves to explore and places to swim with waterfalls and cliffs to jump off of. No camping required -- you just drive back home, all exhausted and sunburned.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Supposedly, there are lots of beautiful parks in Illinois. I've just never ventured much out of Chicago. (Though I have been around Wisconsin a little)

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

who ordered the snow? coming down to beat the band out here.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

pffft

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

SO HUNGRY.

What's for lunch today? I brought a (partialy ilx-inspired) tomato basil mozzarella sandwich.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

Mmm! I want one!
I brought a bagel w/cream cheese, chex mix, an orange, and a yog, though I probably won't eat all of that. THEN we're having a coworker's birthday party. BOO YAH!

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

I like watching the snow fall, and I'm glad it won't stick.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

i work out in the near western 'burbs (roosevelt & 1st ave., basically) and it is sticking here. cars and grass are covered, sides of roadways also white.

i don't like it.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

w00t! I'm happy I have new tires.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

The sandwich, she is delicious.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

And now gone. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'd do the cabin. I like the nonstick giant snow.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

Obviously, you'd have to bring your accoustic, Eazy.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

If Kelsey brings her harmonicas.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

I bet Kelsey would totally be into this. She strikes me as a camping/hiking fool.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

You know, if you go the carriage house route, my mom'll probably be willing to loan you a guitar or two, a banjo, a cello, at least a couple of dulcimers, a pasltry, I know there's a snare drum somewhere, a bunch of rhythm sticks & shakers & sleigh bells, a few occarinas -- oh what the hell. Just come in and use the piano.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I really wish I had a piano in my apartment.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

You would be like Noel Airman in Marjorie Morningstar.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

You could go on benders and smite your young, ambitious girlfriend.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Psaltry, that's supposed to say "psaltry". And I'm just kidding -- go camping. It's my personal dream to get everyone I like on that property at the same time and have a huge party, but that's MY problem.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I have this dream, too, about my house in Minnesota. We live on a river, and have all sorts of excellent places for swimming, enormous bonfires (my dad LOOOOOVES bonfires), making out in the woods, etc.

I did this a few times in HS, but have wanted to get all my college/post-college buddies there for, like, ever.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, a cabin with a dulcimer and a cello sounds pretty fun...

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

I've posted this a billion times before, I'm sure, but below is why cabin camping is so fucking great:

http://static.flickr.com/7/10577320_0a859b1b74_o.jpg

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

*sigh*

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

The cabin idea sounds great. I've been in two cabins that I can think of:

1) New Year's '04/'05, staying up in some fancy "cabin" (house with wood panelling, more like) with people I generally haven't talked to since. I remember getting wasted and washing lots of dishes. Didn't leave the cabin.

2) Staying up at a friend's parent's cabin in northern Minnesota on the way up to the boundary waters. We got there at 2:00 am and the dad made us hamburgers. The place looked beautiful and I wish I could have spent a weekend up there.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

We live on a river, and have all sorts of excellent places for swimming, enormous bonfires (my dad LOOOOOVES bonfires), making out in the woods, etc.

Mwahahah. I actually edited my post for length, but I was going to elaborate about what would happen at that party -- that is, everyone would get too much sun at the lake during the day and too much booze at night, and there would be campfires and singing in parts and throwing endless sticks for the dog and making out in the woods. So basically, Jib, if either one of us has a party we'll just consolidate.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

what's this about me bringing my harmonicas camping?! sounds awesome!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

I love campfire jams despite never really having the opportunity for a good one.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

everyone would get too much sun at the lake during the day and too much booze at night, and there would be campfires and singing in parts and throwing endless sticks for the dog and making out in the woods.

This is basically my favorite stuff in the world.

Campfire jams are sublime.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

I just need out of this building.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

I just need out of this building.
Me too. Step one: leave building.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

You are an outdoorsman, gbx.

I'm not ordinarily one for nature, but I like booze and singing and making out too much to turn an opportunity like that down.

I will tolerate the dog.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, being out in nature is cool, but mostly for the change of scenery.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

GBX have you been winter camping before?

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

It can be either 100 times more fun than regular camping or the most miserable experience evar.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not ordinarily one for nature, but I like booze and singing and making out too much to turn an opportunity like that down.

Attaboy!

Oh man. I'm all worked up just *thinking* about cabin/river/lake parties.

xpost: yes, and you're right. If the weather's bad, you're effed. But, if it's clear and dry and you've got good food, drink, and company, it's the most peaceful camping there is.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not one for outdoorsy stuff but two in a sleeping bag is great stuff. at least it was at 19, maybe not so much anymore but i'll bet it's still pretty awesome.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

WINTER CAMPING TIP: Carry your water bottles upside down. That way, the mouths won't freeze over!

SCIENCE.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

When I was in Boy Scouts there was a whole winter camping/survival/horseplay weekend every year. It ruled. Except the time it was 20 below.

― Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

did anyone know that werner herzog was in julian donkey boy?!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

i did not know that, no.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. He's the dad.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Possibly when I first became aware of Herzog?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

nUTTY, EH?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

I've also never seen that movie. I remember Dan did an interview with Harmony K. when that movie came out, I don't remember what the interview was for, but we have this funny photo of the two of them sitting on a couch looking tired and homeless.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

That is hilarious.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds frameable.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

It's lovely.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'm investigating this "Holy Fuck" band right now, because they sound just like the record I want to make when I get my home studio situation together (beat-based, tons of acoustic drums with cheap keyboards run through old guitar pedals, etc.).

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I read that as "beard-based."

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm investigating this "Holy Fuck" band right now,

playing the empty bottle next week?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

The audience may be beard-based.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

That too. Hey, shouldn't you be growing a winter beard right now?

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

playing the empty bottle next week?

Yeah, that band. Looks like they're playing here in Madison w/Beans, but not until, uh, July.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Nope, Jordan. My many wondrous beards aren't in tune with the season.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Jaymc is a man of many beards, some metaphorical.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

say what?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, I just want to go home. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm tired too. I feel like I weigh 1,500 pounds, like I'm the same size but I'm made of some extremely dense material, like lead.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.startfineart.com/images/bene%20lead%20man.gif

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Experimental travel ideas

Some of these are dumb, some seem like they would be much better on paper than in reality, but a few would be fun to try.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 January 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Anyting going on tonight? With anyone?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Going to Restaurant Club around Irving Park/Ashland. Not sure after that, although I have to get up around 8 AM tomorrow to drive down to Peoria for my grandma's 90th birthday party.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Going to a preview of an adaptation of 'The Coast of Chicago'...

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Cabin camping would be fun! Tent camping is also fun, but over the years, I have lost all my camping equipment somehow and am not really in the market for replacing it, since I haven't gone camping in roughly seven years. But the cabin camping - that's good stuff.

But I can't say whether I'd be able to take off for a weekend or not - it all depends on what's happening in stupid school.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 14 January 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

We are going to the dance party at the Hideout tonight if anyone else wants to come.

― n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 14 January 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

And I will be at the Holiday Club with a bunch of law students if anybody wants to come there.

Dancing or lawyers... I know which one I would pick...

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 14 January 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

EVERYTHING IS GAY

― Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

wigger

― Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

Uh oh. Somebody's been drinking.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

What makes you say that? hahahahha. I just got back from Clark's on Clark. I hope Jesse is okay. he wouoldn't let me walk him home.

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 15 January 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

You boys.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Today is going to be a great day!

― Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.hollywoodanimals.com/IMAGES/animal_pix/Panthers/Black_Leopard.jpg

― Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Hey guys!

(1) Today is a beautiful day!
(2) Yesterday was, too!
(3) I have tomorrow off!
(4) ...because it's my birthday!
(5) I finally broke the dry spell last night! And, even though it may have been a bad idea in the long run, I'm still feeling pretty kickass!
(6) Panthers!

― gbx (skowly), Sunday, 15 January 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Happy birthday!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 15 January 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Happy birthday! Congratulations on having both sex and a three day weekend!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 15 January 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Haha. Is Clark's on Clark near the Heart O' Chicago motel? I think I remember seeing that place.

1) Happy birthday, G.

2) I finally heard Sufjan yesterday (Maddie got the cd). I like the zombie song a whole lot. I also got Roots Manuva's last album, which is great.

3) I got a wedding ring yesterday! Crazy. Maddie has pictures on her flickr account, I think.

― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 15 January 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

She does - I just saw them. That's the first good look I've gotten of her engagement ring, too. You two have excellent taste in jewelry.

Clark's on Clark is on Clark and Carmen, which is about 15 or so blocks south of HoC motel. It's very nondescript looking from the outside. It's not until you get in and see the hardcore porn on the TVs that you realize what you've gotten yourself into.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I've been playing with Google Earth. So so fun. My neighborhood from a few hundred feet in the air:

http://giganticmag.com/images/ilx/Chicago2.jpg

You can see the red roof of the Pizza Hut!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

ChiLX Noize buddies --

Wooden Wand is playing tomorrow at the Empty Bottle. I'm thinking about going. Et tu?

btw -- Wooden Wand is sexyDancer over on the Noize Board.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Wooden Wand was roger adultery?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, right. Sorry.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 16 January 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://matrix.thescarymonkeyshow.com/images/oracle.jpg

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 16 January 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

Anything fun happening tonight? Almost everyone I know has the night off, but no one knows what to do with themselves.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 16 January 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

Any mp3s clips from Wooden Wand? I haven't been to a show in awhile, maybe I would drop by after class.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 16 January 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.everythingisfire.com

just search for Wooden Wand.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 16 January 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

You guys bore me. It's all about the science.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 16 January 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

HEY GUYS IT WAS MY BIRTHDAY AN HOUR AGO BUT NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED AND NOW I'M SORTA BORED AND TRYING TO GET DRUNK WHAT'S GOING ON?

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 16 January 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

You had to pick a Sunday night to be born?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 16 January 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

Happy birthday Gbx!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

A reminder for anyone interested in a noisy (but not inaccessibly so) jazz show tonight:

8PM
Rempis/Daisy/McBride (aka Engines) at the Morseland -- just east of the Morse red line stop, near Sheridan. Dan and I will be there, they have a nice stage and strong drinks.

That's tonight, if anyone cares to join us.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

That should be a fun show, I wish I could go.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

Morning Chicago. I have no right to be awake.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

Man... I remember the days. The days when you could wander into an AOL chat room and actually talk to someone. No more.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning! Paunchy, I grant you the right to be awake.

Nick and I watched Serenity last night. It was entertaining, though I've never seen the Firefly show. I was particularly surprised that they didn't sexualize the main character. She's 17 and pretty, but wears kind of hippyesque dresses the whole time.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Chicago! I had a completely lazy "i'm on the verge of being sick" weekend. I finished all the Harry Potters though & now I'm reading "Lolita."

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think that in the tv show River was supposed to be younger, more like 14-15? I don't know. She was annoying.

We watched some Hollywood-ass movies this weekend, Mr. & Mrs. Smith and Sky High. They're both pretty fun for what they are, actually.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan, I love your rings!! It's nice that you went with a sapphire instead of a diamond, it's a lovely deviation from tradition. Where did Maddie find your ring? Was it a local artistan?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Kelsey (and Jenny)!

Maddie got mine from the same local workshop that I got hers from. I didn't expect that we would walk out with one on Saturday, but that ring was the sort of thing we had in mind and it already fit perfectly, so she snapped it up. I wore it for a day (it was weird) and gave it back to her. I presume it's safely in an underwear drawer now.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Dear work,

Nothing makes me happier than to be not at you.

Sour grapes,

gbx

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

p.s. glad you got laid, Gbx! (even if you're uncertain about it in the long run/long term)!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, how many of you guys are off today?

(not me)

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

MLK day. I don't have it off either.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Neither do I.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

I see Pitchfork trashed the Edith Frost record this morning.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

WTF! Why? Because they're dicks?

― Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

I just read it. What's the big deal with focusing on the lyrics so much? What about "singing in character"? I know that she writes very confessionally, but there's no need to be so, I dunno, cruel. Since when is writing about being heartbroken not allowed? Would it have fared better had she been writing about little forest animals and hot air balloons?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

How long can these Chicago threads get before that start to annoy people? I'm torn between starting a new thread and trying out this little experiment.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

before they

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

can someone link to the article on pitchfork? i'm a ignorant searcher.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Ever since switching to "last 100 posts only", I don't care.

Or do you mean people not on the thread?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/frost_edith/its-a-game.shtml

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - I haven't heard the record yet so I have no opinion about it myself, but the sharp focus on the lyrical content seems unusual to me.

I don't care about the length of these threads either. I have last 50 posts and that's all I need. I pity the fool who reads these threads for a variety of reasons, the least of which is their length.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

50? You're diligent.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Since when is writing about being heartbroken not allowed?

With the total dismissal of the music to razz on the lyrics, it read like a bad parody of a "rock critic" doling out tough love. Country music isn't allowed to be maudlin? Since when?

Ever since switching to "last 100 posts only", I don't care.

Ditto.

― Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

p.s. glad you got laid, Gbx! (even if you're uncertain about it in the long run/long term)!

Me too!

...I've thought about switching to "last 100," but I'm not even that diligent.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Ouch. I just read it.

― Sarah Kittensmew McLusky (coco), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

I always suspected that my starting new threads was only to sate my desire to post new album covers.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Two comments regarding that article:

1. the reviewer seems too caught up in his own interpretation of the lyrics to really talk much about the music. mostly he uses the space to publicly degrade & judge edith. the only time he really talks about the music is when he mentions how her voice conflicts with the subject matter. he is so unable to step away from his feelings about her being co-dependant & needy that he can't really talk about much else.

2. if edith were a man, would we talk about how he was co-dependant? or would we call him "raw" and "brave?" or would we complain about emo boys? somehow i don't think manedith would be judged as harshly, so dickwit can fuck off as far as i'm concerned.

bonus track:
since he's waiting for edith to emerge from her songs a fresh woman who has learned new lessons on love & herself & how we don't need men to be happy, why can't he just be okay with once in a while people (men and women) sometimes feel that way? argh.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Every time a friend/friend of a friend is on ptchfrk, it's always a silly-ass review. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

New thread.

Chicago. Wow.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

1. I don't care how long this thread goes on. I've thought about changing it, but only to get the Mountain Goats' "This Year" out of my head whenever I read the title.

2. I have it on "show last 50 posts only," as well.

3. I am at work but trying to finish my proposal to the pop-music conference.

4. The PFM review does kind of suck, I agree. Whatever happened to the idea of thematic unity? Howe seems to think that it's one song after another of co-dependency because she's incapable of looking beyond her own emotional failure, rather than giving her credit for capturing a cohesive mood.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

(an xpost, obv.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

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