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― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 20:54 (twenty years ago)

The most comfortable couch I've ever sat on is my therapist's. I wish I could steal it.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 13 February 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Good job, jaymc.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Thanks. I have Big Science on vinyl and have always loved the cover. The contrast makes it look so spooky, but there's also this element of curiosity to it -- she is methodically testing things out, feeling her way through space -- that I think is matched by the record itself.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

me and my ex had this ultra-comfy leather couch, it was enourmous. the dog didn't like the leather couch which was key because he'd pretty much ruined the fabric one we'd bought 8 months prior by peeing on it. whenever he'd get pissed off or scared he'd run to the couch and pee on one of the cushions.

both dog and couch now live in san diego.

― kt... (kt...), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:09 (twenty years ago)

wow, how'd that happen?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Why oh why did jenny have to link to the room&board page? I've been lusting after fancy chairs all afternoon... with ottomans (or ottomen? ha ha), that together cost more than our rent.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Oh god, I know -- I can't stop drooling on that site, either. LIKE I NEEDED ANOTHER FURNITURE CATALOG HABIT, JENNY.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

My housemate and I have the old couch from his parents' church. We used to have a futon, too, but then some of our more... weighty... friends came for the weekend and slept on it, and now it is no more. I'm not too torn up about it because futons are almost always unfuckingcomfortable.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone else keep singing Weird Science when they open this thread?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:41 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard this album. "Weird Science" is the closest I've ever come to it, I would imagine.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:46 (twenty years ago)

YES! I didn't say anything because I thought I might be the only one.

xpost

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

I have never heard it either.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

even though i was reading "weird science" my brain kept playing "she blinded me with science".

i need a decent night's sleep.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)

"O Superman" (Laurie Anderson's only hit*) is on this album.

*#2 in the UK!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Lyrics to the title track:

"Big Science"

Coo coo it's cold outside. Coo coo it's cold outside. Ooo coo coo. Don't forget your mittens. Hey pal! How do I get to town from here? And he said: Well just take a right where they're going to build that new shopping mall, go straight past where they're going to put in the freeway, take a left at what's going to be the new sports center, and keep going until you hit the place where they're thinking of building that drive-in bank. You can't miss it. And I said: This must be the place. Ooo coo coo. Golden cities. Golden towns. Golden cities. Golden towns. And long cars in long lines and great big signs and they all say: Hallelujah. Yodellayheehoo. Every man for himself. Ooo coo coo. Golden cities. Golden towns. Thanks for the ride. Big Science. Hallelujah. Big Science. Yodellayheehoo. You know. I think we should put some mountains here. Otherwise, what are all the characters going to fall off of? And what about stairs? Yodellayheehoo. Ooo coo coo. Here's a man who lives a life of danger. Everywhere he goes he stays a stranger. Howdy stranger. Mind if I smoke? And he said: Every man, every man for himself. Every man, every man for himself. All in favor say aye. Big Science. Hallelujah. Big Science. Yodellayheehoo. Hey Professor! Could you turn out the lights? Let's roll the film. Big Science. Hallelujah. Every man, every man for himself. Big Science. Hallelujah. Yodellayheehoo.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

I always imagined Laurie Anderson sounding really spacy, like with wacky space noises of intergalactic travel, really talky, tuneless and not at all like music I would want to listen to. Is that accurate or not? I imagine it can't be as bad as I thought it would be, because I confess to never having given it a chance. Color me stumped.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:59 (twenty years ago)

I also keep thinking of:

http://www.celebrity-pictures-world.com/pics/l/loni-anderson/loni-anderson-002.jpg

Because of the similarity of their names, not because of the bikini & boobies. But those are okay too.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:03 (twenty years ago)

isn't laurie anderson married to someone interesting?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:05 (twenty years ago)

Lou Reed?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Being married to him would sure be "interesting." Ugh.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

It's definitely talky. And some of it's spacey, I guess: she uses electronic instruments quite a bit. In fact, one of her later albums (from the 90s) consists mostly of her telling short anecdotes surrounded by vaguely ominous ambient sound (synth-washes, conga patterns).

But I don't think it's fair to say that the majority of her work is tuneless, exactly. Some of it's fairly repetitive: the main hook in "O Superman" is a sample of her voice going "oh-oh-oh-oh" (on the same note), and "From the Air" is based around a busy saxophone loop that wouldn't sound out of place on Glassworks (same year of release, too) -- but there are melodic components to these songs, too. And surprising instrumentation, too: like accordions and violins and stuff.

The Laurie Anderson I like least is in the late 80s when she collaborated with people like Peter Gabriel, and it just comes across as horribly dated and bland.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Also: Laurie Anderson is way hotter than Loni Anderson. Remarkably sexy for 58.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Well, ok, knowing that I would be willing to give her music a chance. It doesn't sound as bad as I thought it was.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

Correction: the hook in "O Superman" is more like "ha-ha-ha-ha." And the vocoder! And the low, purring synths that somehow feel like they're announcing the apocalypse!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

I listened to 'Big Science' and 'Mister Heartbreak' many many times on the schoobus in 10th and 11th grades.

A few years ago I found a copy of her concert movie, 'Home of the Brave', on VHS for a few bucks - we should watch it sometime, J. - it has Adrian Belew, William Burroughs, etc.

Her old concerts were a really exciting amalgam of music, ritualized theater stuff, and slide/video projections - like a more human and American version of the recent Kraftwerk show.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)

My first exposure to Laurie Anderson was actually Home of the Brave! Which they showed us at the Illinois Summer School for the Arts when I was 15. But I'd like to see it again, for sure.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)

This is a pretty good coffee-table book that's more a less a retrospective of Anderson's career, from music to theatre to art. I found it at the Harold Washington Library right after it was first published, in 2000.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)

i know i heard a great [thing built out of a] laurie anderson sample on something this weekend. i think even from that album. hmmmm. something on emergency rations, maybe...?

― literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)

Ah, indeed!

It's sampling "From the Air."

I'm sure titling the song "Home of the Brave" was no coincidence.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:51 (twenty years ago)

(WARNING: Clicking on that link opens up a page with sound right away. Sorry!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Okay I own that record, so I guess I have heard Laurie Anderson, kinda.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 13 February 2006 22:59 (twenty years ago)

thas the one awright! and such a great track; i think i only like the "phantom" one bettr.

― literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

The Laurie Anderson I like least is in the late 80s when she collaborated with people like Peter Gabriel, and it just comes across as horribly dated and bland.

totally true, but the just-becoming-obligatory burroughs cameo on mr. heartbreak was at least a mitigating factor for me.

― literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)

"it's sharkey's day today ..."

― literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 13 February 2006 23:55 (twenty years ago)

I was hella into Laurie Anderson as a teen. And Big Science is still pretty amazing.

I will be in Chicago in roughly ten days! For roughly ten days! Be rough to me during that time!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:17 (twenty years ago)

Be rough to you?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps we can all get together and rough you up a little.

I remember Laurie Anderson from when MTV actually did interesting things about music. That might have been the boring Peter Gabriel collaboration years, though. I just remember that I thought she was weird, and that I wished they would play more (more! as if there weren't enough!) Def Leppard videos.

They were so dreamy...

http://home.btconnect.com/sheffieldvision/bandimages/defleppard.jpg

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:35 (twenty years ago)

Well, OK, you don't have to be rough to me. Unless you're very very good at it.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:19 (twenty years ago)

Heh.

I remembered that I'm going to be in Chicago in five days for random gigs. Who wants to go to Hot Doug's?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:48 (twenty years ago)

The other thing about late-80s/early-90s Laurie A., from 'Strange Angels' on, is that she took voice lessons and so become more of a conventionally pretty singer. Also, one cannot understate the bad influence of the Synclavier on intelligent pop music from 1986-1991.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:51 (twenty years ago)

I pissed everyone off at band practice by not playing my part during an old song of ours (I just sorta improvised, because I was feeling emotional, and that was the part that my emotions felt like playing) -- so I left early, and I went to the Green Mill, because all I felt like doing, if I couldn't bang on a piano myself, was to watch someone else bang on a piano, and so I watched Patricia Barber (I'd never seen her before!) and struck up a conversation with a couple sitting next to me, the gal of which turned out to be Th3r3sa Kill3br3w's cousin. Ha.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 08:13 (twenty years ago)

Even though it was just practice? That's dumb. Happy Valentine's Day, John. :-D

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

I guess your band doesn't appreciate jazz, huh? We joke that whenever we improvise ANYTHING it's due to our jazz influence.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Your bandmates sound like egotistical control freaks, John.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 15:20 (twenty years ago)

black tuesday is not starting out well. i got to work early to catch up on some stuff and just found out everything i've been doing for the past two hours is wrong. you know it's going to be a long day when you start day dreaming about afterwork beers before 9:30 a.m.

calgon, TAKE ME AWAY!!!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I can't imagine being in a band without some element of improvising or spontaneity.

How'd you like the PB show?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, if I ever played any part with any band exactly the same way twice ever I'd be very, very suprised.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

i was kinda half-awake and considering getting up and getting on my computer this morning and i dozed back off and had a dream about something about canasta. not that i know anything about canasta, except for having seen pics of jaymc. it was a weird blurry dream. they were in some sort of conflict with a group called K-NAFTA.

i had chocolates for breakfast, which seemed very decadent and satisfying. happy valentine's day!

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

K-NAFTA

hahahahaha

It's like Canasta's cheaper, Mexican counterparts.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

I think you could get some Halloween costumes out of that. You all come onstage wearing sombreros and play all your old songs Mariachi style.

Offensive? Oh yes.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Okay, okay, to be fair: they had been working on this song for nearly two hours, and so it was like, "Let's play it all the way through one last time, to make sure we really know what we're doing." And I decided not just to improvise but to, ummm, change the chords and stuff, too. I don't know. I just played. Because I don't know, I was thinking about stuff. Like about how everyone in the band has a significant other except me. And how I'm nearly 27. And how I'm a font of terrible habits that I can't seem to shake. And so I just wanted to play whatever my hands felt like playing.

But the point is that, despite the fact that B. threw down his guitar and stormed off (which was probably overreacting), I was the one who was being selfish from the start. And everyone else (besides B.) was really frustrated (and understandably so) but not angry at me. And I'm going to write them all an e-mail and apologize for ruining the rest of practice. So you don't need to, like, take my side or anything.

Anyway. Happy Valentines Day, lovelies. You are all among the finest people I know.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, if I ever played any part with any band exactly the same way twice ever I'd be very, very suprised.

Okay, that's weird. Aren't you a ... drummer?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

I'm just not going to claim I hit every cymbal pattern exactly the same, or didn't miss a bass drum kick now and again, that's all.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

John, you are a living example of why V-Day sucks.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Drummers change fills and parts around more than anyone!

We're free spirits. Sensitive souls.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

And there have definitely been times I've played things varying degrees of "different" just to see if and how people will react.

xpost

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

You would both be fired from C4n4st4 inmediamente. ;-)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

John, you are a living example of why V-Day sucks.
I don't know what this means, but I feel like you need a giant hug, which I am not able to give on the internet. I hate Valentine's Day -- it just makes people feel bad, obligated or smug. Bleecch. A round of warm, genuine hugs for everyone, from me. Because I love you.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Jaymc, you live pretty close to the Green Mill, right? On Saturday I'm staying at a friend's place two blocks from there. Possibly drinks are in order?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

I think you could get some Halloween costumes out of that. You all come onstage wearing sombreros and play all your old songs Mariachi style.

tyrades did that this halloween, except for the mariachi part. jimmy's poncho kept falling over his strings and frank looked like he was going to have a stroke under his but they soldiered on until almost the end. they did eventually tear off the ponchos.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

All things considered, I prefer Sweetest Day.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

(I've heard that the "%" symbol is used to denote sarcasm in interweb circles. Never really seen it implemented, though.)

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

I hate Valentine's Day -- it just makes people feel bad, obligated or smug.

That's exactly what I meant, Amanda. John is feeling bad because of a holiday. This holiday must stop.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Jaymc, you live pretty close to the Green Mill, right? On Saturday I'm staying at a friend's place two blocks from there. Possibly drinks are in order?

I don't see why not! Yeah, I'm about five blocks west of the Green Mill now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Amanda and Kenan -- I don't know that it totally has to do with Valentine's Day, although for some reason my awareness of the holiday is more acute this year.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

I think I sent this to Amanda only by mistake, but even when I'm in relationships I'm not big on V-Day. Esp. since every time I go into work there's people hawking roses and carnations like I'm in Oliver! or something.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

lol musical theatre amirite?

http://www.bcpl.net/~lgvcobre/theatre/pictures/2004-10.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 18:58 (twenty years ago)

WHO WILL BUY, INDEED.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

IT AIN'T ME, BABE.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

I just sent Maddie a hasty valentine through inter-office mail.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

WELL PLAYED, COHEN.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

I got my girl a gift certificate for a massage at this girly-spa in town. Unfortunately they don't deliver and it was too late for the mail, so she's got to go pick it up.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Didn't you guys, uh, break up, Dan?

Now that I finally have the gmail chat dingus, I think it's cool for a chat program but it makes gmail all cluttered and frenetic. I wish there was a setting to turn it off.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't bother me too much. At first all of the contacts on the left side of the screen looked really cluttered, but then I realized I could close that window.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I see. When someone messages you, does it only show up under that contacts thing?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Didn't you guys, uh, break up, Dan?

Yes, for a little while. It's a long story (one I don't particularly feel like telling) but basically we both kind of came to our senses about it. Which is good because I had already bought the present!

I also wish that the dingus could be undone.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I see. When someone messages you, does it only show up under that contacts thing?

You're the only one who's tried to message me! I guess you're right that it can look cluttered if you have all these pop-up message windows on your screen.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

i still don't have it under my primary account but do have it under one of my other accounts. so i invited my primary account to chat. i was rejected.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

You're the only one who's tried to message me!
Maybe if you weren't "busy"...

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'm not saying I *want* to be messaged.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:25 (twenty years ago)

That's very poignant, Otto.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

The only thing that I don't like about it is that my status is broadcast at all times. It's not like I'm hiding from people, but is that really necessary, Google?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry, this is boring.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

That's why I'm "busy."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

I really can't believe there's no way to disable it completely.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:32 (twenty years ago)

"Jaymc is busy...you *may* be interrupting him!"

Yeah, if Google added an off switch and an invisible status it would be perfect.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:32 (twenty years ago)

They will, eventually. They added a delete button.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

i've got it now.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

I think I may give up the Mach 3 razor. I discovered the other night that instead of paying $9 for four new blades, I can pay $4.50 for four Bic Comfort 3 disposable razors. Same three blades, same lube strip, same shave, half the price. More garbage, but hey. Those blade cartridges are robbery.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Why don't you just start getting shaves at a barber shop?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

They're only two bits, with a haircut!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Why don't you just start getting shaves at a barber shop?

I wish. But I'd be at the barber shop twice a day. You see, I'm very... masculine.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)

"My friends say I'm ugly /
I got a masculine face."
- Tom Waits

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

I'm pro-less waste. If I were you, I'd try to find an equally economical low waste way to shave. I'm neurotic about environmental crap.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I produce very little garbage elsewhere in my life, so I figure I'm ok. I'm not the guy throwing away massive amounts of plastic bottles or pizza boxes or (worse) food. Believe me, I deliberated about the extra plastic trash in the store. But in the final analysis, I'm a poor boy, and charging $9 for four freakin' razor blades should be illegal.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:52 (twenty years ago)

You should see my collection of plastic soup containers from the deli. You can't just throw those away! They have lids and everything!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:53 (twenty years ago)

i bought myself a straight razor last year for my birthday but i lost it/didn't pack it/got it stolen when i moved into the place i'm in now. never got a chance to use it even once!

maybe i'll buy another one. keep a mach 3 on hand for the days where i'm too hungover to have something that sharp in hands too unsteady so close to my jugular vein/carotid artery.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Wow... I should totally get a straight razor. Can you get a sharpening stone for those? That would be awesome. And some kind of apparatus to warm the lather... man, shaving could be my new hobby!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Shit, yeah -- all my tupperware is from take-out!

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

you can use a whetting stone or a leather strop to keep it sharp. i have a warm lather thing that i've used for a couple of years, it actually does make for an easier shave. but i just bought some shaving soap and a mug so once this can of lather is gone i'm going to give state of the art 1890's shaving technology a try.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

It just sounds so damn manly. Like, a woman would watch you brushing on lather and taking a straight razor to your face and have to immediately remove her underwear.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

I had the straight razor shave done one time. By far the closest shave ever, and that hot lather smells better than any cream/lotion/gel I've ever used. I didn't have stubble or anything for like 3 days. Then again, my beard grows at about the pace of freeway traffic at 5:01 PM.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

STROP.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, there's a veritable wealth of material in that scenario, Kenan.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

I just read a couple of things about shaving with a straight razor . . . one guy recommends lathering up with a badger hair brush b/c it will literally help all your hairs to stand up, which is what you want. It really sounds like something you'd give a lot of attention to. If I were a boy, I'd be all over it. Looks like starter kits (& just razors themselves) are spendy, though.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it would be an investment, but would surely pay for itself quickly.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

STROP, DORP AND ROLL

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:17 (twenty years ago)

I have to say - I'm interested. But I've cut the shit out of myself enough times that I do like Public Enemy, and can't truss' it.

Seriously. One time I cut the little peak of my upper lip right under the nose off. That was coincidentally the night of my first (and only) date during my brief tenure at MSU. I got nowhere that night.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Somewhat coincidentally, I got this as an Xmas gift this year:
http://www.getluckytiger.com/Images/NSProducts/product1.jpg

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

i've got the brush you can feel the difference if you've gone a couple days without shaving. if it's eveyday stubble it doesn't make as much of a difference (to me anyway). i usually won't shave friday or saturday and will let it go until monday morning or sunday night and on those occasions the brush definitely helps.

razors= expensive
brush= you can find them cheap
kits= don't know, never looked.

but one thing you want to get is a holder for your brush, it allows the brush to dry with the bristles hanging down which, to my experience, makes it last a little longer.

shaving's something you've got to do everyday (or thereabouts) so why not do something different with it? it's pretty much the same reason i started using a cigarette case when i was 25.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0001XGNQQ.01-A285OSZ7WVWQMV._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I have a razor similar to this. It's great.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:22 (twenty years ago)

according to one of the sites I was reading, it's less "cutting" & more like "scraping." you're just as likely to cut yourself with a straight razor than a regular razor.
xpost

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

i think it's probably easier to cut yourself due to the length of the blade though. you can't exceed about a 40 degree angle or else you'll dig into your face. it's easier to control the angle of a 1 1/2 inch blade with a handle.

but still, life's about taking chances, innit?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Under Quick Contacts, click the arrow next to Set status here. Then, select Sign out of chat. After you sign out, your contacts won't be able to see you online or IM you from within Gmail, and you won't be able to see or contact them, either

That makes sense.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Even better:

If you'd like to view your Gmail account without chat features, click standard without chat along the bottom. You will be signed out of chat, and your Quick Contacts list will be hidden. To turn chat back on, just click standard with chat.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:05 (twenty years ago)

A-ha! Beautiful.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Jordan, you have SERIOUSLY made my life a happier one. It was annoying the fuck out of me. THANK YOU!!!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:18 (twenty years ago)

J0rD@n PwnZ G00G|3

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I miss chat. :-(

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

haha

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:21 (twenty years ago)

Me too, but I'm going to keep it turned off at work. I was wasting roughly 112% more time every time I checked my e-mail.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:21 (twenty years ago)

I only like chat once in a while.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:31 (twenty years ago)

For whatever reason, I imagined you saying that daintily, while lifting a cup of tea, pinkie outstretched.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm actually much closer to sluggishly mumbling it while partially digested sugar runs down my face.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:35 (twenty years ago)

Classy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:36 (twenty years ago)

BACK AWAY FROM THE SUGAR, KELZ. BACK. AWAY.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:39 (twenty years ago)

Oops. Just popped a piece of PAL gum in my mouth.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

PAL gum? What, did you steal some kid's Halloween stash?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:42 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying to put my finger on why The Hold Steady is now one of my favorite bands. I think it might be because of Lou Reed's New York. It's one of my favortie records. The lyrics on New York are sometimes proselytizing, sometimes a bit too thick-headedly liberal, but always delivered with this deadpan, earnest, inimitable style. So too with The Hold Steady. His talk-singing may be even better, because his lyrics are better, and less about "big things" than about small things, small and dirty and shameful and regretful things. And the rock is thicker and meaner.

Love it. Love every second of it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

A lyric Lou Reed would be proud of: "i got thru the part about the exodus. up to then i only knew it was a movement of the people. but if small town cops are like swarms of flies and if blackened foil is like boils and hail, then i'm pretty sure we've been thru this before."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 00:34 (twenty years ago)

except he would have said, "pretty sure we've been thru this befooah"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 00:35 (twenty years ago)

Hey, J., re: rehearsal, if it's any consolation, I've seen Barber do the same thing with her band (go crazy and change chords for the sake of expressing immediate emotions through the song). You're just a jazz cat, that's all.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 03:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm far more likely to do that sort of thing during a show than during rehearsal, and the rest of the band better be ready to follow me!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 03:55 (twenty years ago)

i must hear this.

NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- Country music outlaw Willie Nelson sang "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys" and "My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys" more than 25 years ago.

He released a very different sort of cowboy anthem this Valentine's Day.

"Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly (Fond of Each Other)" may be the first gay cowboy song by a major recording artist. But it was written long before this year's Oscar-nominated "Brokeback Mountain" made gay cowboys a hot topic.

Available exclusively through iTunes, the song features choppy Tex-Mex style guitar runs and Nelson's deadpan delivery of lines like, "What did you think all them saddles and boots was about?" and "Inside every cowboy there's a lady who'd love to slip out."

The song, which debuted Tuesday on Howard Stern's satellite radio show, was written by Texas-born singer-songwriter Ned Sublette in 1981. Sublette said he wrote it during the "Urban Cowboy" craze and always imagined Nelson singing it.

Someone passed a copy of the song to Nelson back in the late 1980s and, according to Nelson's record label, Lost Highway, he recorded it last year at his Pedernales studio in Texas.

Nelson has appeared in several Western movies and sings "He Was a Friend of Mine" on the "Brokeback Mountain" soundtrack.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)

I keep getting logged out of ILX! GRRR!

AWESOME, otto.

I too have a razor problem. I have a fancy razor, but haven't gotten replacement blades for it in forever because they're like $14 a pack. So then I was scrambling around our bathroom drawers trying to find old cheapie razors. Then I used one of Nick's razors. Now I'm just... warm.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

Weird coincidence, I just bought that Willie Nelson song.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Then I used one of Nick's razors.

i used to live with a girl who was always using my razors to shave her legs. she'd never tell me she'd used it, instead she'd wait until my face was all hacked up and bloody. huge pet peeve of mine.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:24 (twenty years ago)

How hairy were these legs?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Otto, I also used your razor. I hope you don't mind! Actually, the one I used of Nick's was one he doesn't use any more anyway.

My legs aren't that hairy really. The hair is really light anyway.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

I was going to say, girl hair is nothing like boy hair.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Unless you're dating some kinda goony goo goo.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)

What's a goony goo goo?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:46 (twenty years ago)

I'll burn you a copy of Eddie Murphy: Delirious sometime.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

What have you done for me lately Eddie?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Otto, I also used your razor. I hope you don't mind!

at least you let me know. i didn't shave today. or yesterday. i'm starting to look homeless. i celebrated black tuesday yesterday by going to a tavern and falling off the cigarette wagon. i was drinking brown liquor and smoking unflitered canadian cigarettes. my head feels like it was used in a polo match. and i think i burned a hole in the back of my esophagus.

How hairy were these legs?

not real hairy but the stubble was like some crazy titanium alloy or something. that'll teach me to date a robot's daughter.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

I once went out with a guy who dated Warren Zevon's daughter. Or claimed to have done so, but I can't imagine why anyone would lie about that.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

What have you done for me lately Eddie?

That's Raw. I have that, too. I wonder if I can get Delirious, Raw, and all the Richard Pryor albums on one disc.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:13 (twenty years ago)

Or claimed to have done so, but I can't imagine why anyone would lie about that.

that's a good question; why are you lying about dating a guy who dated warren zevon's daughter?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Because that's just how pathetic I am.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

i was drinking brown liquor and smoking unflitered canadian cigarettes. my head feels like it was used in a polo match. and i think i burned a hole in the back of my esophagus.

I ran out of Drum the other day and bought a pack of Camels, and was amazed at how they affected me. Shit fucked me up. Those unfiltered, handrolled, supposedly harsh smokes don't do a lot of the things that Camels do, like make me dizzy, give me headaches, make me cough up a lung, etc. There's some bad shit in pre-packaged smokes.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:17 (twenty years ago)

That's Raw. I have that, too. I wonder if I can get Delirious, Raw, and all the Richard Pryor albums on one disc.

If so: one, please!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Nah. The avi's are too big. Have to do Eddie on one disc and Richard on the other. But I'd be happy to burn it for you, ferreal.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

my uvula looks like it's been bbq'd. it's a little char broiled punching bag in the back of my throat.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Since Jaymc's not up, someone has to do the stalking/research.

From an Amazon review of the VH-1 documentary on the making of Zevon's last record:

"It is a musical epitaph which even the most hardened individual will find themselves moved by. Indeed, it is difficult to keep from feeling a twinge of guilt and sadness when watching this; it is a deeply personal insight into the twilight of a musical genius. Yet it does end on a somewhat high note; Zevon's daughter gives birth to twins, naming one of them after her father."

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:26 (twenty years ago)

But here's the question: what was she doing in Akron, OH in the late '80s/early '90s?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:28 (twenty years ago)

I'll leave that to the pros to find out.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:29 (twenty years ago)

I've got nothing but love for Warren Zevon. Excitable Boy is the shit.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

"Lawyers Guns and Money" made my Best Ever comp, IIRC.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I went home with the waitress
The way I always do
How was I to know
She was with the Russians, too?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)

anyone interested in this? (link stolen from gapersblock)

cause i am.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I'll definitely go watch.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Where is John, BTW?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm right here.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

(Attempting to write a blog entry about Transamerica, which was simply awful.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to quit smoking again and do that. watch for me paunchy, i'll be the curly-haired dude having the massive coronary.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

i'll be the curly-haired dude having the massive coronary.

In Chicago? You'll have to be more specific.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:06 (twenty years ago)

(Attempting to write a blog entry about Transamerica, which was simply awful.)

I kinda got that impression, even from the positive reviews.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I heard 'My Humps' for the first time last night and was disappointed that it wasn't bad. It reminded me of a few crowded dance floors at mall or near-the-mall nightclubs in suburban Mpls. and Columbus - I bet it fills the dance floor at those types of clubs. Of course the rhymes are silly, but that's boogie-oogie-oogie music for ya.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)

It's not bad, but it is bad.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)

The new Black Eyed Peas single ("Pump It") is pretty good, too: it doesn't just sample "Miserlou," it pretty much incorporates it into the song wholesale; what's exciting is how the BEPs navigate around it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

i'll be the curly-haired dude having the massive coronary.
In Chicago? You'll have to be more specific.

i'll be the curly-haired dude tethered to a shopping cart in wicker park having a massive coronary sometime in the morning of march 4.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

I love how the Black Eyed Peas are the new Will Smith.

No, wait... I hate it. I hate it with a white-hot intensity.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:14 (twenty years ago)

i really dislike that song, which may be partially fueled by my great hate for cell phone commercials. xp

― Juulia (julesbdules), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Other potential BEP song titles:

Grumpy Ump
Lumpy Loo
Sumpin' Pumpin'
Jump that Stump
Crumpin' with Mumps

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Also possible names for Australian wines.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Haha

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

The B-Sides:
Slumpin' Chump
Wiggity Wump
Va Va Vump

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

I haven't been able to make it through My Humps since I heard that Xmas parody version ("My Elves") on Kansas City radio.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

There's nothing worse than a lumpy loo.

I like that 'My Humps' lays down some dancefloor etiquette for the bump-and-grind dancefloor. I think the right way to listen to this song is on the dancefloor at She-nannigan's or Bootlegger's (at State/Division) some night at 2 a.m.

(Same goes for Will Smith's "Miami".)

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

i'll be the curly-haired dude tethered to a shopping cart in wicker park having a massive coronary sometime in the morning of march 4.

Still sounds like Geroge Wendt to me.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

I hear the sound
On the dance floor
Sumpin' Pumpin'
Sumpin' Pumpin'

Don't you got a lumpy loo
Sumpin' Pumpin'
Sumpin' Pumpin'

Don't you be a grumpy ump
Sumpin' Pumpin'
Sumpin' Pumpin'

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

i'll be the curly-haired dude tethered to a shopping cart in wicker park having a massive coronary sometime in the morning of march 4.
Still sounds like Geroge Wendt to me.

the whippet-thin curly-haired dude tethered to a shopping cart in wicker park having a massive coronary sometime in the morning of march 4.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

some dancefloor etiquette

You mean like "you can look but you can't touch / cuz if you touch there'll be some drama / you don't want no drama"?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Right, J.! As in "I'm all about showing off my tits and ass tonight, but that doesn't mean you should move right up to me and grind without at least some eye contact first."

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Or at all! Bump & grind/close dancing makes me very, very uncomfortable.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

You are not Black Eyed Peas approved.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

For brunch today: baby carrots and a jar of peanut butter. There hasn't been a combination this good since... Bennifer.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Or maybe Filliam H. Muffman.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

I still haven't figured out the healthy lunch thing, but I have gone to the gym 3 out of the last 4 days.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

john, do tell more about why Transamerica was awful.
Yeah, I heard the new BEP on the radio, not knowing it was them, and thought this singing-over Miserlou thing is great! And then I found out it was the BEP and was pleasantly surprised. Their songs are better in inverse proportion to the amount of Fergie singing whole sentences.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Jocelyn, I'll link to my blog when I'm done writing about the film.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

I demand instant gratification ; )

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

filliam h. muffman is SUCH a better combo than bennifer.

baby carrots go well with hummus too.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

"The Splendiferous Zeppelin Escapades of Filliam H. Muffman"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Mmmmm yes. Especially if you make it with roasted red peppers.

xpost

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

"filliam h. muffman" is something that will have me periodically grinning the same way as "cheney's got a gun".

― Juulia (julesbdules), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Comedy Central pwns late night TV.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

W.S. Merwin pwns contemporary metaphysical poetry.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Pwner of a lonely heart.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Much better than a pwner of a broken heart.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

i was going to post that, but instead went to find something to get yes out of my head.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

In my experience, nothing gets Yes out of your head better than a little ELO.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

Where is Kelsey to complain about W.S. Merwin?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

whenever i see "pwns", i think "pawns" and get a mental image of a pawn shop. 3 brass balls.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

haha! Wasn't I just complaining about him last week?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

I don't even know who W.S. Merwin is. Who he is?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

http://www.timelessmyths.com/arthurian/gallery/merlin.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

No, sorry... that's Merlin.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Here's one of my favorite poems by Merwin:
http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15741

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

http://www.curiosum.org/bilder/merkin.jpg

Merkin.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

don't let his distinquished charm fool you . . .

http://www.nndb.com/people/613/000099316/ws-merwin-1-sized.jpg

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Looks like he has some humps of his own. I bet he keeps reserves of water in those things.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

That man has tiny boobs on his face.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

I love your song, Eric!

Quick random question. What is the term for an old western style shootout where they take 3 steps, turn around, and shoot?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Quickdraw?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Duel?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cyber-cinema.com/gallery/quickdead.jpg

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Thanks. I was updating my LJ. It's 'bout my Granddaddy.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Thoughts on Transamerica.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

J., both halves of the Filliam Muffman couple were schooled in the Mamet/Atlantic-Theater school of acting, which centers on having as little backstory as possible - to playing the actions in the present. It works in Mamet's best plays (Pinter's too), but it sounds like that same approach didn't work in this film.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:24 (twenty years ago)

('to playing'? I hate writing without being able to edit...)

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it was a fault of the actors as much as the script: it's not that I wanted Huffman to more fully embody Bree's entire history in her performance, but I just wanted to know more about her in general.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

That sounds facile, but I think you know what I mean.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

OK crap I need a new job again.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Why?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh man, over lunch I went to the Guitar Center that opened across from my work. I think I experienced every big music store cliche within 20 minutes. Double-bass drumming, "shredding", overly helpful yet snobby guitar clerks, etc. They had a good recording section though, and I wish I had about 2k to blow there.

"Thanks for the funky grooves, brother!"

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Well I've been informed they're looking for someone who'll take the position permanently. Which isn't really me, I suppose. Also someone that "can be in at 7:30am," which is the first time I've ever been told I needed to be in at 7:30 AM but whatever.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Its supposed to be temp, so i was expecting this, but today they put up an ad in the reader.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

What do you do?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

photocopying, stuffing envelopes, shipping, I'm an 'administrative assistant.'

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Oh man I hated being a temp and doing that stuff. hate hate hate

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Also someone that "can be in at 7:30am," which is the first time I've ever been told I needed to be in at 7:30 AM but whatever.

That's wack in at least a couple of ways.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Jordan, when will you be in Chicago so I can schedule a hot dog fiesta lunch time happy day?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Saturday!

I have one obligation at 12 pm (no idea where or how long it'll take) and another at 7 at the Cultural Center, then hopefully drinks in jaymc's neighborhood.

I have Jeff's #, should I call if there's hot dog time in the afternoon?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Hot Dog Day Afternoon: Starring Jordan, Jeff and Jenny

A sizzling urban drama.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Man Bites (Hot) Dog

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

That's wack in at least a couple of ways.

particuarly w my 45 minute commute.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Hot Dogtown & ILX-Boys

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Hot Dogma

Lords of Hotdogtown

Ghost Hotdog: Way of the Bun

Must Love Hot Dogs

(sorry)

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Must Love Hot Dogs!!

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

someone should cover "masters of war" as "hot dogs of war". i'm not sure it wouldn't be any less poignant.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

I have been trying to get my friend Tomas to go to Hot Doug's with no success so far. But, in the process, he discovered that the original location of the restaurant was right around the corner from his house! I kind of wish it was still there, it'd be a lot closer to my house too.

One thing I'd love to see them start carrying is the Finnish sausage called Sauna Makkara, or failing that, some type of potoato sausage.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

My Life as a Hot Dog

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Hot Dog Day Afternoon
Wag the Hot Dog

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Hot Dogs, Bratwursts, and Polish Sausages

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Also, I'm still probably going to Milwaukee on Saturday, but if it falls through I'm up for hotdogs and drinking.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

You're in luck, Dan -- they have hot dogs and beer in Milwaukee too!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

OMGWTFREALLY?!?!?!

...but they don't have you guys... awwwwwwwwwwwwww!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Jordan! I won't be able to hang out b/c I'll be with the mumsie. Mom. Mutha. She's in town. Sorry!!!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Bring her along!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Is hot dogs this saturday? yes call me and I'll met you wherever you are.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Great.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Erik (tuba player) after I sent him selections from the Hot Doug's menu, and informed him I won't be playing without a hot dog in my stomach: "I would rather kill myself than not go there."

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:44 (twenty years ago)

Yay! Going home early!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

JORDAN! I am very excited. Yes, call Jeff. You can also call me if you still have my phone number.

I find your threat of suicide in the face of hot dog denial to be perfectly reasonable.

And then after your 7 pm engagement there will be drinks in jaymc's neighborhood? You know, that is also our neighborhood. Can we come along? I AM A LOT OF FUN I PROMISE.

― jenniferelizabeth, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:56 (twenty years ago)

That would be great!

I only hope the band stuff doesn't go super late, but I will give you a call. I remember doing this gig three years ago and we ended up playing an afterparty at the Billy Goat.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Btw, I definitely have Jeff's digits, but the only "Jenny" I have in my phone is a Madison area code. I have no idea who she could be.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Is the number (608) 867-5309?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:06 (twenty years ago)

Encased meat here I come.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Uh, are you guys going to call us too? We won't eat hot dogs but we will probably eat fries and alcohol.

John, going back to you talking about your band practice... B. seems like a weird guy. Is he a weird guy? He seems like a weird guy.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:31 (twenty years ago)

http://www.attention.ai/images/logos.jpg http://www.cadive.com/images/pic-dan_bizmember.jpg http://i1.sell.com/5/144/337764/23/9/1496349-l.jpg

I'm having dinner with my mom tomorrow tonight at Ixcapuzalco (2150 N. Western). If you'd like to have a drink with me afterwards (prob. around 8 pm or so), let me know! Anyone else is free to join me, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 06:01 (twenty years ago)

P.S. He's kind of a weird guy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 06:02 (twenty years ago)

Your mom?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 16 February 2006 07:36 (twenty years ago)

No, read closely.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I get to go to the dentist after work today - my first dentist appointment since college. GODDDDDDDDDDDDD NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

I'm excited about not eating hotdogs. Any idea what time of day this is taking place? I guess not because you don't know when your gig will be over, right, Jordan?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Wait, I'm weird?

I've made tentative plans to hang with a friend of mine tonight, but she is always up for meeting people. I've got to call her today and iron it out, but maybe we could all meet up?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Addtionally, I didn't even know that restaurant was still open.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)

It wasn't because of the fire, but they reopened at a new location.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

SNOWSTORM.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I really should have called in today. Total whiteout. I should have stayed home and grown a beard.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Drizzly, miserable, cold rain here in Chicago. I think I'd prefer a snowstorm.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Chicago sure is rainy.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Montana: big. Also, very very white.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, good for you for going to the dentist. I'm in the same boat. I'm verrry sloowwwly taking steps to get there, such as finally finding out what my job's dental plan is yesterday.

Re: hot dogs, yeah, I'm not sure exactly, but I'm hoping for between 2 - 4, maybe? Does anyone have any how far Hot Doug's is from the Cultural Center on E. Wash?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

John, Call our cellies! WE'll be practicing out in the industrial complex. WE should all go to Club f00t. Huh huh huh?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Off the top of my head, Hot Doug's is 29 blocks (3.5 miles) west and 33 blocks (4 miles) north of the Cultural Center.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

huh, what? who's going to club foot? more importantly, when?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

I think there is miscommunication all around.

"He's a weird guy" = B., from my band. (Nick asked if he was weird.)

"I had no idea that restaurant was still open" = I think Dan means Ixcapuzalco, not Hot Doug's. And yeah, it used to be further north on Milwaukee, but it relocated and is now called something like La Bonita Ixcapuzalco or something.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I was hoping we could go to Quencher's or something, since I'll be in the area, but I can take the el down to Club Foot, too. What time does your practice end, Sarah?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I think there is miscommunication all around.

stupid interverse

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Quencher's is totally feasable. And I've never been to Club Foot, either.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

What is Club Foot?

Also: my band is playing on Saturday, if anyone's interested.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Club Foot = bar at 1824 W. Augusta (halfway between Chicago and Division, halfway between Ashland and Damen)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Saturday? Noooooooooooooo

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Are you guys talking about Club Foot for Friday or Saturday?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

I thought we were talking about it for tonight!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Milwaukee is making me miss everything.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/ee/4f/702283-603758-games_cover-resized200.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

You guys are socializing maniacs!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Damn it! I thought for Friday! Because your message above about your mom and dinner says it was posted "Today" and you say dinner is "tomorrow" and... aw fuck I give up

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Wait, but you said you were going to be hanging out with your friend "tonight" ... ?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Haha, "Today" = 12:01 am.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)

I vote for Club Foot. I need to get out of the house, and a place that many of us can walk to would be ideal. Last time I went out, I ended up taking a cab because it was so shitty out, and spent $30 even though I didn't drink anything but cola.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)

the hot machines are playing at the beat kitchen friday, that's where i'll be. club foot tonight? anyone? no? ok.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

I'll go!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Okay, let's review:

Tonight (Thursday): I am having dinner at Ixcapuzalco. I would like to have drinks afterwards, either at Quencher's or at Club Foot. I suggested the former because it would be close for Dan and Evan. But it appears as though the Wicker Park massive would like to go to Club Foot instead.

Friday: I have no idea. I'll probably have sushi and then go home and throw out my futon.

Saturday: Jordan is in town. We are going to have Hot Doug's in the mid-afternoon (sometime before 4 pm, when they close -- does that still work for you, J?). Later in the evening, after Jordan's 7 pm engagement, we are going to have drinks somewhere in the greater Uptown/Andersonville area, TBD.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

sometime before 4 pm, when they close -- does that still work for you, J?).

Oh, good to know. It should be fine, I'll give someone a call either way.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Thank you, social secretary jaymc.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

I can and will do drinks tonight. Where it goes down doesn't really matter to me.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

You are welcome, sir.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

Classic or dud -- pianists that are themselves audible on the recording, grunting and wheezing and making all kinds of strange emotive sounds. Glenn Gould does it, and so does Thelonious Monk. I'm going to say classic.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Classic. There was a music professor in college (named Les Tung) who did that, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:06 (twenty years ago)

Keith Jarrett gets distracting orgasmic, but he's still probably my favorite jazz pianist. On a videotape I have of his trio in Japan in the mid-80s, though, it's too much. I enjoy it, but anyone else who's seen it can't stop laughing/wincing.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

(distractingly)

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone seen the new Abu Graib pictures? I'm horrified. Sorry to change the subject, but what I just saw, it won't leave my head soon.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I usually like that sort of thing, but KJ's buzzing along with his lines can get distracting.

I love Elvin Jones's grunts when they come through (usually when he's playing with brushes).

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

No Amanda, but I did see the very special "torture is okay sometimes" episode of Lost last night.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone seen the new Abu Graib pictures? I'm horrified. Sorry to change the subject, but what I just saw, it won't leave my head soon.

they're not exactly "new", more like "newly published".

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Jesus, whatever -- they're depressing.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm shocked that they're coming out almost two years after the initial photos were leaked. There have been descriptions of what's in the photos and videos all this time (the Senate saw them), but the reality of what happened won't set in nationally until the images are public. It's why Abu Garhib and Katrina are two of the biggest fiascos for the Bush administration - the images are overpowering.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Someone link me to the new photos, plz.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Ditto.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

I saw them at Salon - proceed with caution.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

...

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

That's so uncool.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

(okay, on a sort-of unrelated and superficial note because I'm so upset right now, I'm not a "Lost" fan but I find it funny yet insulting that the obviously Indian/Pakistani Naveen Andrews is supposed to be Iraqi. Hey, he has brown skin and a big nose, he can pass for an Arab!)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I love Elvin Jones's grunts when they come through (usually when he's playing with brushes).

I love Elvin Jones, full stop.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

He looked more Iraqi than the other dude last night, who looked straight-up Asian. Besides, he's hot, right?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

The hot doug time is fine with me.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

I didn't mean to create a day-long bummer up there, I'm sorry.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

The portfolio isn't loading for me. I keep staring at a pitch-black screen. Probably just as well.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Same here.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Day-Long Bummer is a good name for an album.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Here is the place I originally saw them, although not all of the worst ones are here, I guess. You can decide for yourself if that is a good thing or not.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm not attempting.

My schedule:
THURSDAY ie: TODAY: band practice @7:30-9:30ish? THEN: Drinking avec some of you somewhere
FRIDAY: Velvetr0n show at the hide0ut
SATURDAY: not eating hot dogs with yous guys

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

saturday afternoon= brian costello show with brian costello at the bottle. price is right and it's a good excuse for a mid-afternoon buzz.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of V3lv3tr0n, we worked on a new song last night that sounded a lot like it could be one of theirs. Unsurprisingly, it was a song I came up with. Cmaj7 Ebmaj7 Fmaj7 Dbmaj7, motherfuckers.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

It sounds great! (ha ha, sadly I can't play those chords in my brain)

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

No, wait. I can! I'm doing it! I'm really doing it!
(I had to think of Hot Cross Buns though)

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

btw: did someone text me ("FUNZONE") on Saturday night? I didn't recognize the number.

Just wondering.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm doing it too! But only because my brain defaults to progressions like that.

I wish I had a music theory buddy, someone who I could ask about scales and chords and harmony and yet wouldn't think I was dumb.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:02 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) Ummm, that was me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

hah! I thought so. I had thought that I took down yr number at the EB, but I guess I didn't.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

John, I forgot what your blog is(!). Not the lj one, the other one. Please tell me or email me. I want to go to all your music blog links.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

There's a link to it upthread!

It is http://jaymc.blogspot.com.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

I might be in your fair city March 3 & 4th. A. wants to go to the thisismesmiling show at Le Metro, and I'm almost 100% sure I'm getting this new job so I'll have vacation days to kill.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Sweet! Who or what is thisismesmiling?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

http://www.myspace.com/thisismesmiling

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

He saw them open at Hey Mercedes' final show and got a free CD, which we listen to a lot. I have not heard of the other two bands, perhaps you music people could help me.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) I mean, yeah, I could've Googled for them, too, dude.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Hey Mercedes are teh emo!

As for the other bands on the bill: the only one I've heard of is the What Four, and the only reason why I've heard of them at all is that one of the dudes from the band spams the Sound Opinions Message Board with show announcements. But I'm unaware of their reputation either critically or within "the scene."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if the name is a Mr. Show reference. "This is Nasa blowing up the moon, and this is me smiling."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

I don't like Hey Mercedes very much, but they don't exist anymore so hey.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

One of these days someone is going to have to tell me about all of the bands that otto midnight goes to see.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Hey Merbraides

Sorry I had to

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

They really should be smiling in that band photo.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:39 (twenty years ago)

I know! Chin up, Charlie.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

More like Make Bejoanofarc, amirite?

Cap'n Jowls

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

Me: this conversation
Jaymc: classic rock

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

One of these days someone is going to have to tell me about all of the bands that otto midnight goes to see.

what do you want to know?

tomorrow i'm going to see the hot machines who are jared from the ponys on gtr/vox, miss alex white from miss alex white and the red orchestra on gtr/vox, matt williams from vee dee/baseball furies/sometimes m.o.t.o. on drums. sound a lot like the ponys for obvious reasons but a much hookier almost poppier version.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

We've got to stop picking on jaymc about the classic rock thing and start making him awesome mix CDs instead.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

His birthday's coming up...

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

How is your Booker T piece coming, jay?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:50 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4711784.stm
I have a feeling this is not going to turn out like they want.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

How is your Booker T piece coming, jay?

Not due until May. My next article has to do with how the Internet has changed our (my) notions of obscurity and idiosyncrasy w/r/t taste.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Mix CDs are, of course, always appreciated. I still have to burn you my 2005 mix, Kenan.

Otto, I was just commenting on the fact that I never seem to know any of the bands you go to see. But I also find it hard to get excited about a lot of indie rock, and local stuff especially.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

(Says the guy in the local indie-rock band.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

I've been curious about that Miss Alex White.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Great hair.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Related to the idea of obscurity, it's crazy that in 30 second I can pull up the Hot Machines myspace page and listen to their new 7", when a few years ago the whole idea of a 7" was that you had to go outside and down to Reckless and buy it and bring it home and put it on your turntable, and then figure out if it sounded as good as the jacket art or the review said it would.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

First you had to live in a city that had a record store that sold 7"s in the first place!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Oh, but listen to "Can't Feel" on this Hot Machines page - Oh I would like to pogo to this! I think I like my indie rock rough and local. That's why night show at Cal's with the FFs and the band with the bad vocal mic was fun.

And, savvy dogs, they FADE OUT their myspace songs, so I do have to go to Reckless and buy the 7" and then go to Restoration Hardware and buy a turntable after all!

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Hot Machines makes me think of Hot Snakes, Deadly Snakes, and the Secret Machines. I can't remember if I've heard of them or not.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I thought all those bands were the same band and I just couldn't remember what their name was. The only combination I had ruled out as possible was Secret Snakes.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Hot Secret Deadly Machine Snakes

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Secret Snakes is a better name than all of those!

Btw, the Ponys are not very good. At least the album I listened to two years ago wasn't my cup of tea. It reminded me of Husker Du or something.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nexusunderground.com/images/spoon%20Series%20of%20sneaks%20Album.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

i don't like the songs they have on their myspace page but that's just me. it's a rare occasion that i find any indie rock that isn't either completely flaccid or turns me off with it's pretentiousness. maybe i'm just not looking in the right places.

i couldn't tell you anything about the chicago indie scene but i can tell you that chicago punk/garage/whatever you want to call it is second to none (or maybe memphis). so many great bands playing all the time. one band i wish was playing again soon is the busy signals, if you're able to get to myspace check out the two songs they have up on their profile. damn web filters, i want my rock n' roll.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

My friends' band the Modern Machines also sounds like Husker Du.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

brother if husker du isn't your cup of tea i don't want what you're drinking.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

Punk/garage/etc = indie.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

I was wondering what that meant, Jaymc -- if something isn't your cup of tea, that means it's not "good"? That's not really fair, is it?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

I get The Busy Signals confused with The Dials (who are at the Bottle on Sat night).

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

in that sense "indie" is functionably interchangable with "alternative".

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I'll keep this short, or else Amanda is bound to throw things at me, but Husker Du are so ... BORING. "Pink Turns to Blue" has some semblance of an off-kilter melody, but the rest just sounds like muddled lo-fi noise.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

But it's objectively true, because jaymc is a LICENSED MUSIC CRITIC.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

i get the dials confused with the pumps and i can never remember which one i don't like. i might go to that dials show though.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

but Husker Du are so ... BORING

i need to go outside and smoke one of these hijacked canadian cigarettes because i'm getting way too worked up over a band that broke up over a decade ago.

from the gut
everything falls apart
makes no sense
do you remember

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

I will take your nose and twist it for being so hideously ungrateful that I made you that CD! PFFFFFFT.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Otto, I tried to make him understand. I tried!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

if something isn't your cup of tea, that means it's not "good"? That's not really fair, is it?

No, of course not. I think you'll find that I oppose aesthetic objectivity more than perhaps anybody, save Ned Raggett. But you know, we speak in shorthand. And it's fun to talk definitively sometimes.

The Dials are good. I like the song "Sick Times."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm grateful for the CD, Amanda -- it solidified what I suspected was true!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

the dials are good but husker du is boring??!?!?!??

i think i need to lay down...

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

it solidified what I suspected was true!
Oh man, you're goin' DOWN the next time I see you, Johnny. DOWN. You might wanna wear a helmet.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

The other thing about Husker Du is that I really have a lot of trouble understanding what other people see in them. With the Replacements (who I also don't like), it's like, okay, bar-rock, I get it. Hummable tunes, drunkenly literate lyrics, humble flannel-shirt stuff. Not my thing, but I understand.

With Husker Du: I mean, is it the lyrics? Maybe it's the lyrics.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

It's the emo.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Really? I don't get emo from them at all.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Here's the thing, and it fits into what you were saying before about the internet and availability. When I heard the Replacements and Husker Du, there was no music like that available on the radio or around me. When I heard it, it sounded raw and different and didn't talk about cherry pie or pumping up the jams and I loved it for that, and for being honest about things sucking. Things sucked. (At least they did for me.) I appreciated that they sang about things sucking. Maybe I still glean a little of that because sometimes, things still suck and fall apart and someone has to be there to make me feel better. That person is not Surfin Stevens.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)

So my liking them now could be a knee-jerk emotional reaction to me liking them then, but that was 15 years ago and things were different then. I had the Trouser Press record guide, some magazines and the public library.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

xpost Emo like Rites of Spring, not emo like Bright Eyes.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard Rites of Spring, but I've heard Sunny Day Real Estate.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Hey dudes, it's not looking good for encased meat. I found out that my first gig is at 2:00 at Navy Pier, but I have to be there at 1:00 and won't be done until 4:00. Then we're going right over to the cultural center for soundcheck. Sorry. :(

I'm still hoping for drinks at night, though!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

I had to look it up to see if Rites of Spring was a band. I thought K. meant The Rites of Spring, which was pretty emo in its day.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Amanda you are oh so right.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Rites of Spring + Minor Threat = Fugazi

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Amanda, I had similar experiences with discovering Pavement and Sonic Youth circa 1994 -- I loved that they were so weird and literate compared to the mainstream. Thurston's guitar tunings and Malkmus's oblique wordplay were both so new and exciting. And I will still rep for both of those bands hardcore. So I know what you mean.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

And that's how I felt when I first heard.....Laurie Anderson.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

I would love to see Louie Anderson parody that 'Big Science' photo.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:51 (twenty years ago)

it's not like 80's punk and hardcore was made to hum along with but having said that i can't understand not seeing the infectious nature of husker du. "hate paper doll", "ice cold ice", etc. the "makes no sense at all" ep is one of the most hummable pieces of vinyl ever (in addition to having the gayest cover ever). the stuff when they signed with warner brothers was eminently hummable (don't want to know if you're lonely, sorry somehow, dead set on destruction).

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)

(xxp) But maybe what's key is that I didn't seek out rawness or emotional honesty -- I sought out weirdness and intelligence and still wanted a melodic pop core.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)

I just know that when I was 10-12, I remember seeing lovably geeky grad student guys wearing Husker Du shirts around town, so I always associate the band with men with glasses and black sweatshirts over HD t-shirts buying Red Baron frozen pizzas for themselves to take home and eat in one sitting.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Bob Mould should've been more a homo back then.

Best Mould song ever: Sugar's "Gee Angel."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

My pulse is almost back to normal. Otto OTM about hummability.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

I AM NOT ARGUING ABOUT HUSKER DU ON THE INTERNET.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

The only umlaut band I knew about when I was 10 was Motley Crue, because a couple kids at recess had heavy-metal jean jackets. I had no idea what the words meant, but it left an impression.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

bob mould's best ever "see a little light" from that post huskers, pre-sugar period. workbook? was that the one?

raining too hard for me to get that cigarette i've still got my hackles up. i'm going to a bar straight from work and will probably be walking home when you kids are on your way out. look for a miserable guy walking down augusta in the rain muttering under his breath about husker du.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:02 (twenty years ago)

No Club Foot then, Otto?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:04 (twenty years ago)

probably not. it just hit me that i am MOVING IN 10 DAYS!!!!! i should probably pack or something.

but maybe, it *is* just a few blokcks from my place.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Let's talk about Dylan now.

HAHAHAHAHA

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Why do all my favorite shows have to happen at the same time? I want to see velvet0n, h0t machines, and stars. :-(

Anyway, for the record, I love the Dials. The P0ny's make me happy, but mostly the dude who is in Submar1ne races now anyway. Alex is intense. I love that even when she shows up to other people's shows, you can recognize her right away as having this persona.

So, not hot dogging is off then, but drinking for tonight and Saturday night is still on?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

I believe so.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I will be designated driver for anyone who needs driving.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Can you drive?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

The P0ny's make me happy, but mostly the dude who is in Submar1ne races now anyway

that ponys 7" that was on contaminated kicked my ass. it's still fucking crazy. submarine races/cococoma/miss alex white friday march 31 at the bottle, mark it down! cococoma kicks ass if you have yet to experience chicago's #1 husband and wife rock n' roll tornado.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

(xp) It's just, I find it hard to imagine you behind the wheel.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

chicago's #1 husband and wife rock n' roll tornado.

What about the Like Young?

I clearly only know bands that C4n4st4 has played with.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

i've seen the like young and while i have nothing against them i would hesitate to call them a rock n' roll tornado.

bill and lisa on the other hand are a force of nature. oh, and mike fitzpatrick on farfisa now. i wonder if they can still claim to be chicago's #1 husband and wife tornado with mike in the band?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

C4N4ST4

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, just wanted to see what that looked like.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

OTTO! How come I haven't heard of them before? I am an expert in lovey dovey rock duos.
Which reminds me, I need to listen to Dead M00n. It's been a while.

Also, I suddenly remember that I'm low in funds. What about... if everyone just brought beer to our apartment Saturday night? huh huh huh? We have a little bit of liquor in the cabinet too.

John, I didn't know you guys had played with them. You learn somethin' every day.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

John... of course I can drive. Got a license and the whole bit. It's been a while, but I can even drive stick.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Kenan, you can come and bring Coca Cola.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

S.J., Stars is sold out, so come to my neighborhood and see the 'ot machines tomorrow night.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Is driving stick like riding a bicycle? I mean, is it possible that I've forgotten how?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Whoa, Stars is sold out? No shit. I saw them at Schubas two or three years ago and the room was half-full. Now they're packing the Metro? For real.

As for Saturday: I think the plan was to stay around Uptown/Andersonville, since that's where Jordan will be staying? I might be able to have people over (new couch, woo-hoo) -- there's also J+J's place, although I wouldn't want to volunteer them.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

John, c4n4st4's new record got a write up in the big gay free paper. Jesse treated me to a dramatic reading of the review on the train last night. The homos, they love your band.

xpost: I'll bet you'll remember how pretty quickly.

― jennyjenny, Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, I saw that! The writer actually e-mailed us about it, which was nice.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

The best part was that it was basically a review of new albums from Chicago artists, and it was like Kanye West, Wilco, and us.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:32 (twenty years ago)

And SOOFYAWN SWEETUMS.

― jenniferbeeeee, Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

OTTO! How come I haven't heard of them before? I am an expert in lovey dovey rock duos.

don't know why you haven't heard of them before. debut 7" coming out in march on shit sandwich. they are no longer a duo, mike fitzpatrick (ex of the white+outs, currently guitar in headache city and bass in the latest) plays farfisa. bill (drums/vox) and lisa (guitar) are good friends of mine and while they are lovey dovey off stage, on it they are ferocious.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

SOOFYAWN

ahahahahaha I can't believe I never saw it spelled that way before. You have made my day.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Oh Yenny. So funny.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

I think Sarah and Nick should be more lovey-dovey on stage and more ferocious off it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, otto. I found that all out after jumping over to myspace for a second, but thanks.

Jordan, we're well on our way. Nick has started encroaching my stage space more, encroaching it with love. And then yesterday we had a really dumb argument about nothing in a grocery store parking lot. TA DA!

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Can't wait for the new FFs song "I Thought You Brought Your Jewel Card".

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

i don't dig the songs they have on their myspace profile right now either! they're not bad but not my favorites at all.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

i've got some work to do but are you kids going to club foot tonight for sure? if so i'll try to make it down there (depending if i do go to the tavern for dinner or not).

i wish i had a husker du t-shirt so you'd know who i was. or, failing that, a white t and a sharpie.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

the girl i'd been dating just emailed me saying there was a huge picture of bill and lisa's wedding in time out chicago as a wedding you should copy. those cococoma kids are such trendsetters.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:51 (twenty years ago)

(Has there ever been a music video set in a supermarket parking lot? Or a suburban mall parking lot? Someone should do this.

I'd love to pitch a video idea to some Fall Out Boy-type band - they would be playing in the tiny space between the two sets of doors leading from the cold parking lot into the shopping mall, and during the course of the song, kids would be standing in there and waiting for their parents to come pick them up.)

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:51 (twenty years ago)

There was a F00 F|ghters video that took place in a mall parking lot, I think. One of their newer tunes.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Let's just say, I'll def. be at Club Foot.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

Haha, I forgot to tell you guys: You know the other night, when I left band rehearsal early? Apparently afterwards they were all talking about whether or not I was "on drugs." Not merely because I was improvising, but because of the way I addressed the situation after the fact. I said things like, "Yeah, but what you clearly don't understand is that I don't care about anything going on out there, I only care about what's right here." Matt said it was the weirdest he's ever seen me. Which is weird, because I spend a lot of him time around him and I don't think I was being especially weird!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:09 (twenty years ago)

jaymc: the next Cat Power

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Haha! I hope you pointed at your heart when you said that.

(You still play with some square-ass dudes.)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

OMG it smells like baked goods in my office. Where is that coming from? It's like ... biscuits or something!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

By the way, did y'all like my Tommy Tutone joke from last night?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I liked it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Ponys aren't horrible but are terribly overrated.
Miss Alex White is pretty awesome. She blew me away the first time I saw her but I was kind of buzzed on beer.
The Dials were great live but I'm afraid to see them now that Doug is dead. Their cd is kind of boring.
The Like Young are good, we are playing their cd release show in May thanks to Sarah.

I heard Ryan Schreiber's new show on WLUW yesterday, it was predictably indie and dull.

Club Foot tonight is on, not sure what time practice will be over. Do we want to say we'll aim for like 8:30ish?

Sarah, I think you can afford the one beer it will take to get you wasted on Sat. night.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:44 (twenty years ago)

Club Foot tonight is on, not sure what time practice will be over. Do we want to say we'll aim for like 8:30ish?

oh awesome, i'm gonna walk right from one bar to another.

look for this guy.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

The Like Young are good, we are playing their cd release show in May thanks to Sarah.

Awesome! That's perfect.

I heard Ryan Schreiber's new show on WLUW yesterday, it was predictably indie and dull.

Wha? He has a show on WLUW? Since when?

Club Foot tonight is on, not sure what time practice will be over. Do we want to say we'll aim for like 8:30ish?

That's perfect. I'll prob. be done with dinner around 8 and can take the Blue Line down to Division.

Sarah, I think you can afford the one beer it will take to get you wasted on Sat. night.

ZING!!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

I think yesterday was the first of the Ryan Schreiber show which is called (get this) "Distortions." But it's on Weds. afternoon so good luck listening to it. Here's my impression of the bit that I heard:
He talks for too long about the purpose of the show.
Song by band I've never heard of that sounds like a grubbier version of Interpol.
Talks too long about how obscure last band was.
Another song by band I've never heard of that sounds like a grubbier version of Interpol.
Talks too long and semi-insultingly about Cat Power.
Boring Cat Power song.
Overly hypes up next song by talking about how it's from Uruguay, sounds exactly like the Beatles and took him several years to find.
OK but not particularly exciting Beatles-esque song.

I just decided that Duane Denison is my guitar idol.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Who is this guy?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

(I mean the one with the show)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)

Nick, that's a really weird coincidence. I was just reading a Jim DeRogatis article about emo earlier today and came across the following quote from someone in Jimmy Eat World:

"I’m pretty much a really big fan of Duane Denison of the Jesus Lizard. I rip most of my stuff off from him."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

Incessant talking between each song is sooooo LAME.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

Dude with the show = editor-in-chief of Pitchfork

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I think I might do a podcast.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Incessant talking between each song is sooooo LAME.
-- Steely Df'nM (thedanmarti...), Today.

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Dude with the show = editor-in-chief of Pitchfork
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), Today.

especially lame when factually inaccurate.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

Oooh, I see. That explains it.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

Overly hypes up next song by talking about how it's from Uruguay, sounds exactly like the Beatles and took him several years to find.

This gives me a hilarious mental image of a stereotypical hipster trekking across South American wilderness, jungle, and mountains in search of some form of native temple where a golden idol in the form of an LP has rested for centauries. At his side, his loyal native interpreter. They are both wearing pith helmets. Death stalks them around every corner!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

What, what are you saying is factually inaccurate?

For the record, I like Ryan -- he's a really nice guy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:15 (twenty years ago)

xpost - ...Then that pud from the Decemberists writes a song about the expedition and sings it while wearing the pith helmet.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:15 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

What, what are you saying is factually inaccurate?

pitchfork was notorious for getting their facts confused.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Probably not any more than any other online publication, I'd imagine.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I think Denison is a fairly influential guitarist, or at least should be. I think dude from Les Savy Fav does a lot of Denisonesque stuff.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:49 (twenty years ago)

LSF

― Jeff. (Jeff), Thursday, 16 February 2006 22:51 (twenty years ago)

What time should I be at the club? Did we establish that already?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

My friends had Thanksgiving dinner with Tommy Tutone this year. Apparently he lives in a suburb of Portland. Tra la.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Kenan: think like 8:30ish

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Done.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:31 (twenty years ago)

it's 7:30 and i'm drunk. i hope someone recognizes me because i have no idea what any of you look like and if i have to sit at the bar drinking by myself i'll get way way wasted.

fuck i wish i could bang in sick to work tomorrow.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:36 (twenty years ago)

I'll have a beige cap with an "s" on it, for some reason, and a giant fuck-off black coat.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:44 (twenty years ago)

and probably headphones around my neck.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:44 (twenty years ago)

alright paunchy, i'll have a black vinyl jacket and a green hoodie on. and a black hat that i bought for $1.99 at target.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:49 (twenty years ago)

one advantage to realizing i'm moving in 10 days: i'm CRANKING my bang & olufsen right now and not really giving a shit what my neighbors think.

no one is having more fun than i am right now.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Oh, surely someone is. There is no natural law of conservation of fun.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:03 (twenty years ago)

no one is having more fun than me by themselves! fully clothed!

husker du on the turntable, just to make sure i wasn't wrong. don't think i was.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:04 (twenty years ago)

No, jaymc clearly lost that argument, objective as it was.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:05 (twenty years ago)

SUBjective, I meant.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:05 (twenty years ago)

I am digging the shit out of some old Depeche Mode.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:06 (twenty years ago)

You guys are hanging out in my high school bedroom. I NEVER had boys in my bedroom!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:08 (twenty years ago)

I hope you're not embarrassed by the Morrissey Corner.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:10 (twenty years ago)

if it's any consolation i never had any girls in my high school bedroom. but when i turned 20 all that changed. all that changed again at 23.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:10 (twenty years ago)

divide and conquer!!! how is it that this hasn't been on my heavy rotation for the past 20 years???

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:11 (twenty years ago)

goddamn i love that song.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:12 (twenty years ago)

I hope you're not embarrassed by the Morrissey Corner.

Embarrassed by Morrissey? God no! Never!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:12 (twenty years ago)

(and I meant that unironicaly, BTW>)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:13 (twenty years ago)

otto, get your ass on a train. I'll be at the bar in 20 minutes.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:14 (twenty years ago)

I sure wasn't embarrassed of the Morrissey Corner, some of it is still up! I lived in the attic and at the top of the door (which was at the bottom of the stairs) there remains a giant Moz head. Just for fun. My parents don't care enough to take it down.

Have fun, everyone.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:15 (twenty years ago)

i live on augusta, i'll be there in 5 minutes.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 02:15 (twenty years ago)

... and i'm back.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:08 (twenty years ago)

Hi guys. Sorry to worry anyone. I just went home, is all.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 05:38 (twenty years ago)

Oh, that's all right! I wondered, but I also know you.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 07:44 (twenty years ago)

You do. I'm flighty.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 07:45 (twenty years ago)

Just when we wuz hookin' you up, you go out into the nite.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:51 (twenty years ago)

Drinking was a TERRIBLE idea last night. Ditto cigarettes.

LEAVE ME ALONE, CIGARETTES.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

drinking and cigarettes may or may not have been a good idea last night but you want to know what the WORST idea was?

onion rings.

they left me dispeptic last night, more gaseous than the hindenburg this morning. but hopefully not as explosive (if only for my co-workers sake).

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Just when we wuz hookin' you up, you go out into the nite.

Hookin me up with what?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Oh I get it. With the girl in the backless dress. You guys are sweet, but I'm not on the market.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

So, there was a girl in a backless dress, onion rings, drinking and ciggies. Did I miss anything else? I wish I could be more social, but I was at home making lesson plans.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

i totally missed out on the girl in the backless dress portion of the evening and really and truly wish i hadn't been involved in the onion ring portion of the evening.

considering i drank for over 5 hours and smoked over a pack of cigarettes after 5 p.m. i'm feeling surprisingly spritely. listening to the troggs in an empty office helps.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:02 (twenty years ago)

I'm in a fucking great mood. It can only go downhill from here.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

You dissolutes. I had a shin-crackingly good dance rehearsal last night, the first one in two weeks. I was beginning to feel like a girl-shaped SLUG, so it's a relief to be back. I wouldn't say I'm in a good mood, but I can survive today and then there's a 3-day weekend. And everything will be different soon when I move house.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

are you & jessa back together, kenan?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:33 (twenty years ago)

No ma'am. Hahaha. Not even.

Jessa and I are still "friends with resentments." It's like the opposite of "friends with benefits."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Heh.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

warning: i'm sticking my nose in yer bid-ness . . .

are you off the market just to be off the market or do you have a special lady or man friend?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

There is a special lady, yes.

or man friend?

I'm sure I've done my part in propogating this myth, but I am in no way homosexual. Just ask my special lady.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Sorry guys, I'm flighty too I guess. My plans for last night ended up getting pushed back later, and then I just went home.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't sure if you were flirting with the idea of men or not. How long have you & this special lady been special friends? Is it a newish thing? I live under a rock.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Kels -- I should call you. Give me your number. The address below works.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

What about me? I wanna know too! Nosy Rosie strikes again!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)

i can't talk right now, though!! i'm at worksie-poo. wanna just email for a bit? i'll email you right now . . .

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

I don't wanna tell the whole world without permission.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

wanna just email for a bit? i'll email you right now . . .

Cool.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

i cannot believe i typed "worksie-poo" & i didn't even mean it ironically. who have i become?!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)

OOOOOOh ok. But I will tell the whole world that I am in a sentimental good mood today. Take that, suckaz.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

My Aunt Phyllis, apparently. (XP)

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

oh aunt phyllis . . .

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

John, please email me the info or at least name of that dental spa place.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I ALWAYS think onion rings are a great idea late at night, especially with a milkshake. And then about 3 am I realize how wrong I was. Like last night when I thought getting the popcorn shrimp basket at 10pm was a great idea.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Dental spa? That sounds like an oxymoron.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Onion rings are never a good idea.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

You don't like onions, right? Or is it just RAW ones?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Can I just admit that I have a love for the Onion Ring? I'm picky about the ones I like, but when they are good, they are GOOD.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

I like onions in all forms. But my favorite is at a cookout, when you cut the core out of an onion, fill it with butter and garlic, and put it right on the coals until it turns into onion-butter. OMG. Helps you sleep, too.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

True, I have an adversarial relationship with raw onions. Onions covered in fried breading are still too raw for me.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand how a broken-down car can keep someone from work in Chicago, what with the multitude of buses and trains and such. I mean, if you want to stay home 'cause you're sick or you're feeling lazy and just want a day off, fine by me, but don't blame it on your damn car!

...

Sorry.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

I love onions. Raw, cooked, however. Not a ton of them, but enough to make something oniony. I sauteed some and put them in an omelette for dinner a couple nights ago and the smoked gouda + onion almost tasted like bacon. YUM. (Probably not YUM for vegetarians, but YUM for me.)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Ah, zee onion. Zuch a beautiful theeng.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

True, that's a lousy excuse.

'cause you're sick or you're feeling lazy and just want a day off, fine by me

I wish I could call in lazy.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I think the woman who runs the greek restaurant I eat at at least once I week thinks I'm crazy because I don't like ze rah onyons.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

You are crazy. But you're not alone. Lots of people don't like ze onions. I don't understand it, but maybe it's not for me to understand.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

i don't much like onions, but i like onion rings. the batter is so good! and it seems that any food naturally becomes better tasting if you fry it. they're a good idea rather infrequently though.

xp because i spaced out and forgot that i was posting.

cookout onions sound like they get carmelized. carmelized onions take a lot of time but they're SO AWESOME.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm a vegetarian who is turned on by meat tastes. it's the chomping on the flesh that would gross me out, which is probably why i'm not on the fish wagon as enthusiastically as i once was.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

cookout onions sound like they get carmelized.

Exactly. That's what the extreme heat uis for. But imagine eating a WHOLE ONION that's been caramelized through and through.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

1. The girl with the backless dress is admittedly kind of kooky.

2. I just realized that everyone I know named Alexis has a last name beginning with F. Huh.

3. "Nosy Rosie strikes again!" Were you reading the Reader cover story about La Donna Tittle, too? I remember listening to her on WGCI in 1992-93. Tittle in the Middle.

4. The dental spa. Unfortunately, they don't accept my insurance. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

fried shrimp > fried potatoes > fried fish > fried scallops > fried frog legs > fried cheesecake > fried onions

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

it's the chomping on the flesh that would gross me out, which is probably why i'm not on the fish wagon as enthusiastically as i once was.

But unless you're eating sushi, the texture of fish is nothing like the texture of meat, right?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

"Nosy Rosie strikes again!" Were you reading the Reader cover story about La Donna Tittle, too?
I glanced at it, but I didn't read it yet. Is there something in there about Nosy Rosie? I considered Nosy Josie, but settled on Rosie for reasons unknown to me.

Mmmm. Sushi.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure of the exact process but somehow my body is able to convert onion rings into something akin to zyklon b.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

No food lights up my brain like sushi.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Nosy Rosie = the character Tittle plays in Trapped in the Closet.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

OMG I want sushi RIGHT NOW.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Maddie's meeting me for sushi today. Salmon teriyaki bento box, here I come!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Where is there sushi at 10:34 a.m.? The Tokyo Hotel on Hubbard St.?

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

xpost - Oooh, I didn't know that. I haven't seen the 12 part video yet.

I want sushi RIGHT NOW too. I can't even mention it to Dan without him deciding definitively, on the spot that we MUST eat sushi for dinner or he will die. Of course, we get the sushi because I want him to live.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

mmm.

I like the pricey varieties of tuna, anything with shrimp (cooked, of course), and I love the weird stuff, like the caviar or the sea urchin. Oh, lord, the sea urchin.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

My first REAL (i.e. non-vegetarian) sushi experience (about a month ago) was a disappointment.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

i can't stand sushi. never have.
i give it a shot again every couple of years because sometimes tastes change (witness my recent love affair with sour cream as proof) but i still can't gig to sushi.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Sea urchin. Salty, slippery, intensely fishy... as someone once said, it's like going down on a mermaid. Sea urchin is the next best thing to raw oysters.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

I love food that, every time you eat it, it feels like a dare. But then when you do eat it, it's sooooo good.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I was all prepared to eat fish, but somehow it slipped my mind that it was going to be raw fish. I know, I know, I'm not sure what I was thinking. I thought maybe only certain kinds of sushi were raw. Anyway, this sort of freaked me out too much, so I just wolfed it down without tasting, but what I did taste wasn't all that amazing, either. (I had to eat it because the place I was at charges $5 if you don't clean your plate!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Oh geez, I don't know about that. I've never tried sea urchin nor have I ever been charged for not being a member of the Plate Cleaner's Club. I did see a really cool jellyfish exhibit at an aquarium once, though.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

I thought maybe only certain kinds of sushi were raw.

That's true.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Was this the place at Ashland/Lincoln/Belmont, J.? The one with the $5 clean-your-plate fee?

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Eric.

I begged my dining companions to help me, which they were gracious enough to do. I also considered wrapping a roll or two in my napkin.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

i had sushi from hey sushi (hey sushi!) recently and have been fantasizing about maki ever since.

i was really hoping that the dental spa would be somewhere that they'd give you foot massages and crazy pampering treatments to distract you from getting your teeth looked at.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I would like either sea urchin or oysters. I tried mussels a few times and did not like them very much.
Oh yeah, calamari definitely pwns in the fried things catagory.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Julia, they do give you a massage after your cleaning!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

How could I have forgotten calamari!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

I tried mussels a few times and did not like them very much.

Mussels, like all shellfish I guess, vary wildly in quality. It's entirely possible that you got some sub-par mussels.

I haven't had good seafood since I lived by the sea, though. Chicago is not a seafood town.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

fried clams kick ass.
steamers from brown's or markey's in seabrook, nh are awesome too. i've got to figure out a way to get back to new england this summer.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

There must be a place in Chicago where you can get a heaping pile of crawfish. I want to do that, if only to be disappionted by it. Who wants to come suck crawfish heads with me?!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

When did you "live by the sea," Kenan? Houston?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. Texas. The shrimp are amazing.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Trouble with Chicago is that it's about 2000 miles from any salt water in any direction.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

For not being a seafood town, Chicago DOES have some of the best fried seafood (esp. shirmp) in the country. I've said it a million times before, but GO TO LAWRENCE'S FISHERY. Even my friends from New Orleans were won over.

As for crawfish, Kenan, I don't think it's happening. You could probably get some etoufee with frozen crawfish from halfway around the world, but a pound of fresh, boiled crawfish up here? Let me know if you find it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

I miss good oysters. Hard to fine around here. An ocean is convienient sometimes.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

I remember... *cue wavy dream border*... sitting in my huge backyard in Austin, boiling pot after pot of crawfish while finishing off a keg of stout, peeling them, getting what little meat there is out of them, sucking the organs out of the head, and tossing them on the ground, over and over, until dawn. That was a good night.

Of course, we had a bit of an ant problem the next day.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

I like scallops. Anyone else for scallops? Big giant ones. The little ones get too rubbery.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Most of the seafood places I've talked to said they've tried getting crawfish, but it got too expensive because most of them don't survive the trip. I did find some fresh crawfish in Kansas City, though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

like scallops. Anyone else for scallops?

YEAH!!!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

i missed that massage part, i guess i didn't look at the site carefully.

i've gotten used to chicago seafood, which can be decent, anyway. but then when i visited boston again (used to live there) a while ago, i was astounded at how amazing really fresh seafood can be. so fucking good.

scallops are really good when they're fresh, mediocre otherwise.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 17 February 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Kenan, OMG do they have huge buttery scallops at Lawrence's.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Huh. I'm not sure about that dental spa place, but I'll still look into it. Their website is just all about cosmetics and orthadenture. This dentist yesterday was pressing Invasalign on me so much I felt more like I was talking to a sales person than a medical person.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

i was astounded at how amazing really fresh seafood can be. so fucking good.

This is the part where I rag on Chicago a bit. The food here stinks, by and large. There's no seafood worth mentioning, the Mexican food is all wrong, the pizza is ever wronger, and I don't give a rat's ass about sausage. There are restaurants than can properly prepare a piece of meat, but you can find those anywhere. As far as regional cuisine goes, forget about it.

Positives: Middle Eastern food and Indian food.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Heaven on Seven has crawfish, no?

Twice last week in northern California I ate somewhere near the ocean, and both times I got the bouillabaisse because both times the place was half-empty and I knew they'd throw in all the good seafood. O the prawns!

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Grrr. What do you mean by regional cuisine?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Heaven on Seven has crawfish, no?

The very existence of that place offends me to me roots. I mean, my ancestral roots.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

What do you mean by regional cuisine?

I mean just that. It's a problem with a lot of America, I guess. There's not a lot of post-war American food that doesn't come in a box. I miss Louisiana food, and Texas food.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

O the prawns!

I had prawns in a Chinese restaurant in NYC that made me quiver.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Positives: Middle Eastern food and Indian food.

Oh, and I forgot about Frontera Grill. That place is fucking amazing.

Okay, there are good restaurants in Chicago.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Do prawns= mud bugs?

Kenan, You should have come to Cafe El Topatio on my b-day. It is DELICIOUS.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Do prawns= mud bugs?

Prawns are in the shrimp family, but they're not shrimp. They're much bigger -- that's the main difference. And if you don't get fresh ones and cook them right, they're like rubber. So prawns are a gamble.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

But do you mean that Chicago doesn't have its own regional cuisine (Illinois food)? Or that Chicago doesn't do others' regional cuisine (Cajun, New England, Pacific Northwest, etc.) well?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that's pretty much what I mean. Midwestern "regional" cuisine is like a midwestern accent. Flat.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you should start posting on the Southern Thread. :-)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Not that I haven't had some kick-ass food in this city, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying... I don't know what I'm saying. I'm saying I want to go home and eat.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Calvin Trillin: "If someone asks you where the best hamburger in the world is, and you don't cite somewhere in your hometown, you have no soul."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

I love Calvin Trillin.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Traditional Chicago food = bland meat, maybe a sprinkle of iceberg lettuce somewhere on your plate

That said, I've had some of the best food in my life in Chicago, thanks to all of the nice, contemporary restaurants. Yay for big city livin'. (This ties perhaps with the true southern food my great grandmother used to make in rural Virginia and no restaurants can duplicate)

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

the best cheeseburger i've ever had was at the oak park ale house in o.p., il. i've never had one as good since. i kept trying time and time again but they were never anything special. but oh that one time...

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

the best burger place i can think of is in milwaukee, but i've barely gone out for burgers in chicago. i prefer them homemade.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking of Heaven on Seven when I mentioned frozen crawfish tails tossed into other dishes. That's okay and all, but it's a far cry from fresh, whole crawfish.

Also, their po' boys are expensive and inauthentic in the extreme.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

white sox single game tickets went on sale today at 10 a.m., by 10:13 the series with the bosox was sold out. that bummed me out enough not to search for any other games. 8 minutes later i looked for other tickets and could only get obstructed view seats in the 500s sections. that blows.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:29 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't all that enamored of my last visit to Heaven on Seven. I had a po'boy there six years ago that I fucking loved, but when I went a few months ago to replicate the experience, it was sad.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Holy shit Frontera. That place is FUCKING great.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

I still had fun there, esp. because it was an important dining experience in Maddie's childhood, but I wouldn't recommend it as a great New Orleans place or anything.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

The best Midwestern food I've ever had, in the gourmet-regional sense, was this place in St. Paul - check out the menu:

http://www.heartlandrestaurant.com/

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

The best steak I ever had was at a place called the Houston Cattle Company. Which makes sense... how could a place called the Houston Cattle Compant not have the best steak in the world?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

It came with a side of potatoes and no vegetable. These people are hardcore.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

The best Midwestern food I've ever had, in the gourmet-regional sense, was this place in St. Paul - check out the menu:

Prix fix menu! Wow. That's taking the midwest seriously.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

It's the Chez Panisse model of finding the best ingedients in the region.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Actually, it's like Chez Panisse in its prairie-school fonts, too:
http://www.chezpanisse.com/

But of the two I liked Heartland a bit more (for half the price).

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Vegetables? Who needs vegetables??

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

haha yeah I loved the FLLW font.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

i had a steak at brasserie jo that almost made me not want to finish eating it because i knew i'd never have anything that good again. and the garlic mashed potatoes were something else too.

goddamnit i want garlic 'taters. now, lots of them.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)

All other bad things about Houston aside, the food is great. It's a big, very very multi-ethnic city, and the menu options are endless.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

We must be hungry.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)

I am now.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/g/getoboys~~~_foundatio_101b.jpg

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)

(houston, represent)

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

And yeah, Houston's hip hop scene is boiling over, while Chicago's scene is still clinging to a handful of personalities and trying to make it look like it's some big shit.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Everyday it's been the same old thang on my block
Ya either workin or ya slangin cocaine on my block
Ya had to hustle, cuz that's how we was raised on my block

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Cafe El Topatio was meh

Best mexican - Riques
Best Indian - Bhabi's Kitchen
Best Burger - Park Grill

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

I still haven't been to Park Grill. THanks for reminding me.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

I found Tapatio alright, but not like blow-my-lid-off good. I like La Fonda, but that's Colombian not Mexican. They serve platanos with (almost) everything, I love that.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Ah! Heartland has "Michigan Lake Trout" -- now that's seafood I can get behind. Only thing better is Whitefish.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

haha

And the only thing better than THAT is imitation crab meat.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

You, sir, have obviously never had a properly cooked whitefish.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

By that I mean battered, pan-fried, and served as hot as is possible. With fries. And vinegar. And copious quantities of cheap tap beer.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:00 (twenty years ago)

That's entirely possible.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:00 (twenty years ago)

It's northern MI soul food. Bonus points if said whitefish was caught on a frozen lake.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:02 (twenty years ago)

I really want to love Riques, but I really only love their pico de gallo. The rest of the food is good but not very exciting.

Speaking of which, I would not recommend Ixcapuzalco until they get their shit together. First of all, the menu was a farce, from certain items being mislabelled (a merlot was listed under the "Vinos Blancos") to other items lacking a price or a description. Then, when the food came, it was lukewarm. Disappointing because the flavors were really intense and interesting, but that only goes so far when the vegetables in the chile relleno were, like, still crunchy. There was only one person waiting tables, and she had just started a week ago, so we didn't really bother complaining. She blamed the menu inconsistencies on the fact that the restaurant was in a new location (although I could've sworn they'd been at that address for close to a year).

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Dan OTM. That's some midwestern shit.

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

I can't argue with soul food, in any of its incarnations.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

http://www.winonaradio.com/cards/vintage/hotfishshop1946new.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Where/what is the Park Grill?

Also: I heartily recommend Buona Terra. The garlic/oil/cheese dip they serve with the bread will blow your pants off.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

And Fridays are the fish-fry day. Somehow you'll all have to go to the Dreamland Hotel in Bootjack, MI, and then you'll see what I mean.

It's one of those homesick kinds of days again for me, too.

xpost: and that's about what it looks like, with less cliffs and more Lake Superior.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

It's turning into a homesick day for me, too.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Replace whitefish with catfish and that's Indiana for you. I've never really eaten southern food, and I didn't eat tradition mid-western food growing up, so I don't know what to expect. Everything I ate as a child involved sour cream, noodles, or pickles.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

I heartily second gib's statement about BT.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

New Birth/Exiles in Houston Bulletin:
Tanio and Fat Man have been in Germany for the past few weeks. Glen David got in some mess here and had to leave town -- something about a woman, I was told.
Last night's line-up was a kit drummer (who did a pretty good job by the way), Kenny Terry, Corey Henry, Kerwin and a trombonist I didn't recognize. And the McNeil NewsHour had a crew there -- they shot footage all night long. The reporter told me he was working on a documentary about Reggie Houston, who was living in Portland pre-Katrina and will be returning to NOLA for the first time during JazzFest.
Also, there are strong, believable rumors that a New Orleans bar/social club will be opening near downtown here. A famous NOLA musician is involved, but I can't say who right now. I should be going public with it in a week or two.
Meanwhile, the tension between the exiles and the locals is growing. New Orleanians are now the boogie man here -- they're getting blamed for everything scary about Houston. It would be funny if it weren't so sad -- after all, we've been Murder Capital USA for several years running in the not too distant past, but people here are acting like "those people" have come in here and despoiled Eden.
Things reached fever pitch a couple of weeks ago when a teenaged girl claimed she was snatched off the street in broad daylight and gangraped for 12 hours by three guys who she said had New Orleans accents. Houston's Third Ward was aboil for about 72 hours, until the girl finally confessed she made the whole thing up. In fact, she had run off and had consensual sex with a guy she met on myspace.

-- novamax (john.loma...), February 16th, 2006.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Everything I ate as a child involved sour cream, noodles, or pickles.

That's exactly what I eat now, when I cook for myself.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

I really want to love Riques, but I really only love their pico de gallo. The rest of the food is good but not very exciting.

Try eating MEAT, it will enhance your dining experience.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:14 (twenty years ago)

m..eat?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Things reached fever pitch a couple of weeks ago when a teenaged girl claimed she was snatched off the street in broad daylight and gangraped for 12 hours by three guys who she said had New Orleans accents. Houston's Third Ward was aboil for about 72 hours, until the girl finally confessed she made the whole thing up. In fact, she had run off and had consensual sex with a guy she met on myspace.

That's funny... yet not. I talked to my dad yesterday and he mentioned something about the New Orleaneans increasing the crime in Houston. It's a Houston meme.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Try eating MEAT, it will enhance your dining experience.

I'm glad I wasn't the one who said it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

I think I asked this a day or two ago, but does anyone want a futon? If not, it's going in the alley tonight.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

I'd love a futon. What's the transport situation?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Also:

Fuck yeah.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Unfortunately, I think you'd have to get it yourself, which I'm guessing won't be possible.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:39 (twenty years ago)

It's possible, but prolly not worth the effort.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Also:

Fuck yeah.

Awesome! This is exactly what I needed.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

You're very welcome.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

That whole album is excellent, BTW.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

The AMg entry is fair:

Brad Jordan, head of A&R for Def Jam South, was a big success after just a few months on the job; his signing of Ludacris in 2000 paid off in triple-platinum after less than a year. It's not every A&R man who's rewarded for great work with an album of his own, but then again, not every A&R man is also one of the most influential voices in the history of hip-hop. After defining the down South gangsta during the late '80s with Geto Boys, Scarface began a solo career that earned him a couple of gold albums and saw some of the biggest names in rap (2Pac, Ice Cube, Kurupt, Too Short) angling to work with him -- this back when posse tracks were rarities. Scarface fans will recognize quite a few of the usual themes throughout The Fix, like the good-times-and-bad territory anthem "My Block" (complete with an old-school production, '70s style) and "In Cold Blood," a first-person journal entry from a gang-banger. The highlights, though, find Scarface morphing back into Jordan the bottom-line businessman, banking on the familiar names: "Guess Who's Back" is more a Jay-Z track with a little room for Scarface than the other way around, and the same goes for the Nas feature, "In Between Us." And Pharrell from Neptunes takes over "Someday," with Faith Evans adding a little sugar to the chorus to make up for the patented Scarface growl on the verses. Though The Fix has him reaching for the charts as well as focusing on the personal, the inimitable Scarface balances the competing concerns well.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

I need to get my hands on more hip hop. Beyond Def Jux and Wu Tang, that is.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Yes, you do.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh and Dr. Octagon/Kool Keith/Black Elvis/etc etc etc. He is my hip hop hero.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

You know what'd be fun? Designing playlists for hip mall stores. I was at Woodfield last weekend and heard Saint Etienne in Anthropologie and then Cut Copy and a Bloc Party remix in H&M.

(Why do I have a feeling that phil-two has experience doing this?)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Oh and Dr. Octagon/Kool Keith/Black Elvis/etc etc etc. He is my hip hop hero.

Only to a point. Ultramagnetic MCs are k-classic. Kool Keith Sex Style is classic for being one of the funniest records I've ever heard. Other than that, though, he makes me uncertain of whether you should give a mic to someone so obviously unstable.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry, but I must respecfully disagree (although I can totally see your point.) Dr. Octagonecologist may be my favorite hip hop album of all time.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Aut0mat0r gets a lot of credit for that, too.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Dr. Octagonecologist may be my favorite hip hop album of all time.

You're like some kind of filthy Jim DeRogatis.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Sorry. That was low.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Ultramagnetic MCs are k-classic

Weird, I just used "k-guilty" on another thread today and was then thinking about how no one on ILX says "k-[fill in the blank]" anymore.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Heh, no offense taken. At least at the "filthy" part!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of "filthy" I put on "Visit to the Gynecologist" just now. Man I love this album.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

SPREAD 'EM

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

goddamn portillo's is doing a number on me right now.

owwwwww....

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Ridiculousness.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

goddamn portillo's is doing a number on me right now.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)

what does "k-[fill in the blank]" mean?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)

I went to Portillo's a fair amount in high school. Doesn't make me as nostalgic as Chili's does, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

k= very
I believe the source is k=a kilo = 1000

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

k-classic is where it started, but it evolved to k-[anything]. I don't know exactly what it is, but IO assume it's about "classic with a 'k'".

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

I always thought it sounded like a radio station thing.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

My theory is better.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

From an online hacker dictionary:

k- /pref./

Extremely. Not commonly used among hackers, but quite common among crackers and warez d00dz in compounds such as `k-kool' /K'kool'/, `k-rad' /K'rad'/, and `k-awesome' /K'aw`sm/. Also used to intensify negatives; thus, `k-evil', `k-lame', `k-screwed', and `k-annoying'. Overuse of this prefix, or use in more formal or technical contexts, is considered an indicator of lamer status.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

hahaha yes perfect.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Discovering that you have both tabs set on the Chicago thread on ILX, C/D?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

The Wikipedia article on Leet supports Sarah's "k=1000" theory.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000063Y38.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

the emo rap rules

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.24tix.com/data/shows/KT1172846100117281179618/show_image

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Why is Neil Young so good? I'm just listening to "Everybody Knows This is Nowhere" (the song) over and over again.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

But "Cinnamon Girl" is my jam too.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Neil Young is awesome. I was humming "Cortez the Killer" in my head last night as I walked past the corner of Damen and Cortez. We should all go see that new Jonathan Demme concert film.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Year of the Horse is "k-awesome".

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

I saw that puppy in the theater on opening weekend by myself. On a rainy day.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

You got a vagina, your grandmother think it's strange

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

John, six years ago I would've paid big bucks to hear you say that.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

I love it when he talks about other rappers and says their albums won't even turn wood, much less platnium.

Now I gotta listen to Sex Style. It's the only other one I've got here at work.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

I've been listening to a ton of neil young lately b/c he's helping me jam on the harp.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:02 (twenty years ago)

"chillin' in my drawers in hotels like I'm a bible"

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Dude, Kels, when have I not liked Neil Young? You introduced him to me, but did I ever not like it when you played him?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)

You were very hesitant at first to him & the genre. Remember?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, maybe. I did write that essay about how college made me rethink my positions on Christianity and acoustic guitars.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Why is Neil Young so good?

Dude. Because he's Neil Young, that's why.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

I've always felt the drumming on "Heart of Gold" KILLS it. In a good way.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

I think I may be getting the biggest zit of my life. It's not really visible yet, but the whole right side of my face hurts.

I did write that essay about how college made me rethink my positions on Christianity and acoustic guitars.

roffle

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

"Christianity and Acoustic Guitars: Not That Bad!"

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

Nick: have you heard "Ragged Glory"? I'd be honored to burn it for you. Such a good album. Such such such.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:21 (twenty years ago)

John you were very anti anything that had acoustic anything. There, I said it.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:25 (twenty years ago)

OK, I've run out of work to do, and it's only 2:30.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

I never run out of work. The encyclopedia is very big.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

something something Friday, ain't got shit to do, somthing something get high

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

You should both rethink your positions on being done/not being done with work and then write essays about it.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

I will be writing my essay about how much I love to drink tea and eat one cookie at 3:30pm each and every day.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

I think that's a good plan for an essay. Still waiting to hear from the woman who interviewed me last Friday. She called my reference on Tuesday, I hate waiting.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Wind chills may approach negative 20 degrees F tonight. BOO YAH!

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Goodness!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Guys, I have a really weird obsession with looking at the "recent deaths" section on Wikipedia and then reading the articles.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Good thing I'm planning on staying in tonight. It'll be great. I'm whipping up a batch of my famous basil-and-olive-oil pasta, then putting my bunny slippers up and settling in for a double feature of Master and Commander and Suburban Commando on the Magnavox TV I'm borrowing from my new neighbor Logan (although it wasn't without a fight from her scruffy boyfriend Ben!). Then I'll probably flip through a couple issues of Barely Legal, gargle some Scope, and hit the hay.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Wind chills may approach negative 20 degrees F tonight. BOO YAH!

oh i'm gonna have SO MUCH FUN waiting for the western bus after the hot machines show tonight.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

John . . . explain . . .

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Nick & Sarah: there will be a CD of Neil Young albums propped against your back door when you get home tonight. I hope that's not too creepy.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Kenan, we should figure out who has what between the two of us & fill in the gaps for each other.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:47 (twenty years ago)

I just burned:

Decade
One the Beach
Zuma
Everybody Knows etc.
Ragged Glory
Rust Never Sleeps
Weld

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:51 (twenty years ago)

It took me like 10 years to accumulate all of those albums.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:52 (twenty years ago)

I want On the Beach.... "Walk On" is a great song.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Oh man, we were going to cover that song but never got it worked out before the band fell apart.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:55 (twenty years ago)

"live rust" = one of my favorite records of all time.

the version of like a hurricane on there blows me away.
makes me wish i still smoked.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:57 (twenty years ago)

I like his live albums a lot. I have Live Rust, Rust Never Sleeps, Year of the Horse and a bootleg from 1975 that I downloaded.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Dr. Octagonecologist is one of my top 50 albums of all time ever. So is Everybody Knows This is Nowhere, but it probably ranks higher than Dr. Octagonecologist.

Now, did we all decide what's going on tomorrow night or what?

Somebody email me and let me know. Speaking of email, I am using a new gmail address instead of the .mac address, which costs me dollars that I do not have. My new gmail address is j3nnif3r3burg3ss at gmail. Sub an "e" for each 3, please. (The third 3 is for my middle intial.)

― j3nnif3r3burg3ss, Friday, 17 February 2006 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Live Rust is a good one.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

The only one we have in common is Decade. This is going to be good.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

Actually, Kbabyd: do you have Live Rust on CD or just on tape?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Ooh! Fun, Kenan! Nick is there now, you know. Or did you mean late tonight? We have Neil Young on vinyl, but not very many mp3s.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

CD. The only one I have on tape is 'sleeps with angels'

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh. Maybe I'd like a copy of that, then?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you would!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Now, did we all decide what's going on tomorrow night or what?

My band is playing at Ronny's!

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

other albums i have:
tonight's the night
unplugged
harvest
harvest moon
silver & gold
live rust
prairie wind
decade
sleeps with angels

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)

oh, and mirror ball.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Ooh! Fun, Kenan! Nick is there now, you know. Or did you mean late tonight?

No, I just left a CD between the back door and the screen door. I would have knocked if I'd have known Nick was home.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:29 (twenty years ago)

NICK THE CD IS BEHIND YOU

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

LOOK OUT! IT'S THE ROCK!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

THE CD IS CALLING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE

― jennyjenny, Friday, 17 February 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Ah, turns out Nick wasn't home at that moment anyway. But he got the CD. He just called me.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Oh, hey, for those of you who haven't noticed yet... it's fucking cold outside. Like, really cold. It's not that windy, mercifully, but there's nary a puddle that's not frozen.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

There's a great 8-minute b-side to Neil Y.'s "Mansion On The Hill" called "Don't Spook The Horse" - one of my favorite songs of his. Other than that, Tonight's The Night (the album more than the song) is my fave. Would anyone want to do a matinee of the Demme movie this weekend hmm?

Geoff B. and I will be attending the Hot Machines this evening. And a guy i went to college with has a band at the Metro tomorrow eve, so I think I'm going to that.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

There's a great 8-minute b-side to Neil Y.'s "Mansion On The Hill" called "Don't Spook The Horse" - one of my favorite songs of his.

Dont make me regret the things I didn't think to put on the CD.

Tonight's the Night is dark. Like, black.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Except for that one song where he sounds like Kermit, "Borrowed Tune" that song is sweet in a "wasted in my room" kind of way.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:46 (twenty years ago)

I always picture that song being sung by a maudlin woodland creature (or frog.)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

Gillian Welch does a neat cover of Albaquerque (as well as a Radiohead cover) on a new live EP...

In high school and college I spent a lot of time with a cassette with "Tonight's The Night" on side A and "Nebraska" on side B.

I think the variety on that record keeps the darkness from overtaking the listening experience - you've got "Come On Baby Let's Go Downtown" sandwiched between those Kermit ballads.

My favorite moment is on "Mellow My Mind" where you can hear him swaying in front of the mic: "Ain't got nothin' on those feelings that I haaaAAAaaaAaaad"

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Man, I just want to listen to lots of Neil Young now. I might be up for a matinee of Heart of Gold, Eazy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

xxpost Obviously it belonged on The Muppet Show.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Hasn't anyone else seen Year of the Horse? It's great! I love how they go back and forth with the old footage. I admit that I think that Young Neil Young is one of the primary contenders for King of Baby Animal Face.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

I'd jump on it if my ma wasn't in town.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

So, on "Come On Baby Let's Go Downtown", Danny Whitten sings "Pretty bad when you're dealing with the man and the light shines in your eyes."

I've gone back and forth about whether it's pretty bad because a) your habit is so strong that your face lights up when you know you're about to get your fix or b) the cops are busting you.

I haven't seen Year of the Horse. Do you own it?

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

I admit that I think that Young Neil Young is one of the primary contenders for King of Baby Animal Face.

You are making no sense at all. Calm down. Remember to breathe.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

I am making sense. He was cute!
I don't own YotH, but I saw in in the theater, as I mentioned before. For some reason it has stuck with me for a really long time. I loved it.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:55 (twenty years ago)

I have not seen this, nor the new film. I am up for both. I'm a fan, obv.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:55 (twenty years ago)

I'm mostly wondering, though, if NIck is doing what I do when I hear "White Line," which is to threaten the life of my speakers.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Oh you did mention that! For some reason I thought it was Sarah who said she saw it in the theater.

So the new one's at Piper's Alley at 2 p.m. tomorrow....

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

"White Line"? Don't do it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

It's not about cocaine. It's the white line in the middle of a road.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Dudes, I won't be around too much for the rest of the day, but I hope to see some of you guys on Saturday night. I'll call when I get done with my gig or know what's going on.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:03 (twenty years ago)

I like Comes a Time a lot too, but it's a little corny. It has "Lotta Love" on it. That song is so good.

"So if you are out there waiting/I hope you show up soon/ 'Cuz my heart needs relatin' not solituuuuuude."

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Oooh, I just heard a really lovely "mash up" of Amerie's "1 Thing" and the Pixies' "Hey." "Mash up" in quotes because someone else is singing the Amerie song -- so sort of like Erlend Oye singing the Smiths over electro-house tracks. I'd YSI, but it was on a podcast.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

Hello, Mr. Soul.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:22 (twenty years ago)

She said "You're strange, but don't change"
And I let her

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

Sorry. I'm done.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 17 February 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

B. was telling me about going to see a show at South Union Arts and so I checked out their calendar to see more about what their scene is and it looks like someone has a thing there on Friday (when, even, I will be in Chicago, no less)! Unless I am totally wrong.

I am bringing my ukulele to Chicago and will sing upon request, in anyone's home, at any reasonable hour.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 18 February 2006 07:01 (twenty years ago)

Who is B. in this instance?

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 18 February 2006 07:21 (twenty years ago)

B. is my friend who very briefly posted onto these threads.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 18 February 2006 07:52 (twenty years ago)

Yes indeed! Next Friday the 24th at South Union Arts they're showing a short (10 minute) film I wrote and directed in 2004 that has never been shown in public, and the actress in it is great, and I'm proud of it, and I shot it in a college radio station in the middle of the night, and next Friday should be a fun fun night.

Hot Machines - yes indeed they rocked!

― Eazy (Eazy), Saturday, 18 February 2006 07:53 (twenty years ago)

Actually before I go promising anything I need to make sure that something isn't happening with the literary fest that I am also in town for -- Kenneth Goldsmith, very occasional ILX poster, will be reading, and he is one of my favorite writers, and I haven't met or heard him read yet.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 18 February 2006 07:57 (twenty years ago)

Okay, plan for tonight: We are going to meet at 8 PM at the Edgewater Inn or Lounge or whatever it's called. Corner of Bryn Mawr and Ashland. Jordan's going to call us when he's done doing his thing, and hopefully he can meet us there. Word. Call me if you have any questions.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 18 February 2006 22:37 (twenty years ago)

This afternoon I found that there's a vague BDSM quality to thoroughly cleaning the bathroom while listening to mid-80s Leonard Cohen, as if this was the situation he was in while writing the songs.

xpost- weird, nobody posted since last night, and then we post at the same time.

― Eazy (Eazy), Saturday, 18 February 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Spooky!

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 18 February 2006 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Edgewater Tavern.

John and I are SOCIAL COORDINATORS.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 18 February 2006 23:40 (twenty years ago)

One more plug:

Baby's First Rock Band Show

Sharks at Ronny's. 11pm.

2100 N California Ave.

― gbx (skowly), Sunday, 19 February 2006 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Man its cold as fuck. how are any of you doing anything.

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 19 February 2006 03:39 (twenty years ago)

Hello, Chicago! New York is appallingly windy and frigid. Something like I imagine Chicago to be.

― Laurel (Laurel), Sunday, 19 February 2006 03:45 (twenty years ago)

http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/big2_cond/language/www/US/IL/Chicago.gif

― Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 19 February 2006 03:56 (twenty years ago)

yeah fuck i DROVE to the bar. like seven blocks away. of course i got drunk, so i had to leave my car there. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 19 February 2006 06:54 (twenty years ago)

If yr drunk I suppose the cold doesnt matter so much. I discovered tonite that White Hen does NOT sell beer. At least, mine doesnt.

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 19 February 2006 07:28 (twenty years ago)

Eric, um. Sorry, perhaps.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 February 2006 08:41 (twenty years ago)

Hmm? (I saw the e-mail from your friend B. today and haven't replied, but I've got a couple of ideas of places you might be able to play. Next Friday is pretty set already, I think, but there are some other possibilities.)

― Eazy (Eazy), Sunday, 19 February 2006 08:45 (twenty years ago)

Heh, it was mostly the oddly formal tone of the e-mail. But I'm glad if you have ideas. I'm in Chicago until around the 2nd or 3rd, but it's flexible. I am bringing my uke. That is what I am doing. Apparently I am not busy that night with the literary hoodaddy, if B. thought I could play that night, so -- I assume you will be there? It is a good time to meet up, I think, since I am arriving Thurs, etc., etc.

There was a TOP SECRET recording today that involved the uke. I can say no more about it until tomorrow at the earliest...

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 February 2006 09:37 (twenty years ago)

i totally missed saturday. went to the hot machines show friday night, had a great time, saw eazy, had some people come back to my place, moved the party to humboldt park, got home around sun up and passed out. i woke up at 8:30 saturday night and fell asleep at 10:45. just woke up now.

i love sleep.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Sunday, 19 February 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I just got 11 hours of sleep myself. Ah, weekends.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 19 February 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Who missed a good time on Saturday night?

http://static.flickr.com/31/101877794_725ad8c0cc.jpg

YOU MISSED A GOOD TIME ON SATURDAY NIGHT.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 20 February 2006 04:33 (twenty years ago)

holy shit Saturday night.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 05:08 (twenty years ago)

who missed an interrogation saturday night?

i feellike i'm gonna miss monday too.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 20 February 2006 07:52 (twenty years ago)

I hate life more than life itself plus life. Pie.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:34 (twenty years ago)

What's the matter? It's only 7:36. Oops 7:37.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Good morning. Sorry I couldn't make it out over the weekend, I just couldn't get away from band stuff. PS your city is cold.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:58 (twenty years ago)

More deets about the outing, please. If I couldn't be there, at least I want to hear about the fun that was had! I like the photo, Jenny. That doesn't look like a dancing finger though, that looks like an angry finger.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Let the record show that the defendant pointed at YOU.

Btw I will be back in three weeks and there will be hot dogs and drinks if y'all are around, I promise.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Promises, promises.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.enlacemadonna.com/canciones/otras/promisespromises/nakedeyes.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:13 (twenty years ago)

Good morning. I'm having hot chocolate. The apartment is REALLY clean, just so you know, because it was so fucking cold outside this weekend that I mostly just tidied (and read Middlesex, which I've almost finished). One of these days, you guys should come hang out there again.

LOTS of pictures were taken Saturday night. There is evidence somewhere.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Oh man! I wanna see! This 6 day work week is starting to get to me.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

After this weekend I am convinced that most residences in Chicago (judging by the half dozen or so I have been in recently) do not have adequate insulation. It would not seem sooo goddamn cold if these buildings could retain some heat.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Our apartment is HOT, we have to crack a window sometimes.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Except our bedroom, which is a bit chilly because our window unit is still in. It's nice though, I sleep better than if the heat was bordering on oppresive in there.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Hey I just saw some of the photos on Jenny's flickr site. You all look so cute. Hopefully next time I can come out. I sort of miss socializing.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

You're cold? Maybe this will warm you up:
http://i1.tinypic.com/o70iyv.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

He's not really my cup of tea, but he's certainly warmer than the wind outside.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Whoa, wtf.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:15 (twenty years ago)

It's Monday morning, bitches -- someone has to keep posting and it might as well be me. My supes are all gone today.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

That whole photo feature in the NYTimes mag was pretty cool, huh.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

I like his jeans and his genes.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Those NYTimes mag photos confused me. I like the out-of-focus Rachel Weisz, but the ink on all the others...

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I didn't get the ink. I like this one though:
http://i1.tinypic.com/o70yf7.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

I love that guy.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Who is that?

I had a Chicago hangover yesterday, and a Chicago joint while watching Serenity.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

That has to be PS Hoffman.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

One of my former co-worker's best friends was a "PSH" stalker.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Really? Because I would be, if I could. There's something about that guy that's SO APPEALING!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

She went to NYC whenever he had a play running, hung around for his autograph, etc. - and had a husband and kid back here in Chicago, so don't let marriage keep you from being a stalker, A.!

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

I just exploded coffee all over the work microwave. I'm also having a bit of a crisis, but I'll explain in detail after lunch.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

xpost - Ok, I'm not that enthusiastic, but I do wonder why he seems to inspire such devotion, even in myself.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

I just looked at the NYTmagazine slideshow and some are good, some are WTF (Daniel Day-Lewis looks INSANE), and Chalize Theron is just as boring as she always is.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

i'm hung over and feel like i should either eat a whole lot or puke a whole lot. i'm voting for food.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

He does inspire devotion, I think! I am not sure what it is. Renee is a huge fan of his as well.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

He has a very nicely proportioned, attractively-shaped face. Good chin. Also, smart.
http://www.nndb.com/people/409/000027328/psh2.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Clooney looks like a robot in that NYT photo.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

DDLewis looks batshit in that photo.

I heart PSHoffman. Finest actor working in Hollywood, as far as I'm concerned.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Michelle Williams looks GREAT -- like a 1970s/80s country singer.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, she's foxy!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

That Birol Unel guy looks like Paul Westerberg.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Michelle Williams is one of the greats.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Bleh, tickets to Montreal are close to $400!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:59 (twenty years ago)

So, guys, when you're in your mid-twenties, sloppy make-outs with HS friends you haven't seen in 5 years is pretty par for the course, right?

Like, this is a phenomenon?

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:02 (twenty years ago)

I wish. < /predictable>

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "yes": Yes.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

See ya.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

I did it a couple of times, so yeah, you're not alone!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Oh good.

Oh! I think Sh4rks have another gig! My friend's band, Rusty P1pes is having a CD release party on Mar 10th, and they invited us to open.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

::unsubscribe::

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that didn't happen for me either, but I know it happened for other people. Seems pretty normal.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

: (
So a few weeks ago I started going to martial arts class on campus, because I used to train and I wanted to start doing something challenging again. This past weekend I had an all-weekend workshop, and I've been nervous about getting into nursing school and getting a new job at the hospital (I got both! Yay!) so I've been stressed and on Friday night A. and I got into a stupid argument about nothing, but then we were fine later and spent time together. I trained all day on Sat., getting done much later then I thought, and then we all went to the brew pub to hang out and entertain the people who had come in from out of town to study with the sensei my club had brought in. Sunday I trained again, then got home did stuff went to Target, blah dee blah. Well, I just had lunch with Adrian and he's upset with me because I spent all my time at training this weekend and not much with him and didn't invite him out with us to the pub (where I thought he would be totally bored by people just talking shop the whole time). I guess it just worries me because starting in the fall when I go back to school I'm going to have very little free time and I'm worried he won't be able to handle that. I tried to explain that I needed time for myself. (hang on, have to go get boxes from the lift, will be back)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Just wait 'til you get the sloppy make-outs with college friends in your haven't seen in 5 years in late twenties/early thirties.

I didn't make out with any of my good high-school friends then or since. I guess the lines were more distinct then.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

How did Saturday go, gib?

Milwaukee was a drunken-and-a-half time. I can't drink like I could when I was a line cook anymore. Of course, my friend who is still a cook can, and kicked my ass. I can never have another Jager bomb ever again ever ever never ever.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Just wait 'til you get the sloppy make-outs with college friends in your haven't seen in 5 years in late twenties/early thirties.

This was a marginal possibility in Minneapolis, but it didn't come to pass.

I still don't understand how people just start making out.

::draws bathwater::

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

::unsubscribe::

xp: really, really well. We were playing for a bar full of friends, mind, but I still think we managed to put on a decent show.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Poor Jocie. I've been through that -- it happens. He will either understand or he won't. You'll know he has totally lost it when he issues the Contract of Girlfriendly Duties. If that happens, get rid of him!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

gbx, you know that comment didn't have to do with Sharks!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

I still don't understand how people just start making out.

Booze + frustration + "casual" leg/foot/thigh contact + "on purpose" contact

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Okay, I got three of the four in Mpls.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

gbx, you know that comment didn't have to do with Sharks!

Oh. I knew that, actually.

xp -- Dan's got the formula pretty much right on.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

And, depending on your personality:
5. Not EXPECTING it to happen!

Remember that party we went to a year ago, J.? That's how it happens.

On-purpose contact - that's the important one. Both parties testing the waters.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Can I tell you guys something? "Casual/spontaneous making out" only happened for me one time, in college. Once. That's it.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:14 (twenty years ago)

A lot of research went into that formula.

xpost: A fitting addition to the dataset, Eazy. I'll list you as a co-author.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:14 (twenty years ago)

A lot of research went into that formula.

Way to make yourself sound really creepy, me.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Wait, what party we went to?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

That sucks, Jocelyn. I wish I had good advice.

Jaymc, one time this dude in my band was chatting up a pretty girl in an NYC bar. He was really playing it cool, talking about all the literature they both liked, etc. And then - SWOOP. In a move of unprecedented audacity, Ev4n leans in and is suddenly making out with her. These things happen.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Ne11's, J.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:16 (twenty years ago)

"Casual/spontaneous making out"

Never experienced this. Anytime there was spontaneous making out, it wasn't especially casual. It was fucking hott.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:16 (twenty years ago)

E., there wasn't exactly any making out that night, even though I use "making out" as shorthand. It was weird. She was weird.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

I'm just saying that I either saw it coming from a mile away and went with it, saw it coming and ran as fast as I could away from it or saw that it was not coming at all and sat patiently until my friends wanted to go home.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

The third option was the most common.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

I guess I've had dating and extended-ambiguous-friendship situations happen that start with a casual/spontaneous moment, but, kind of like with one-night-stand scenarios, I always think why stop after one time if it's a good thing? And months of turmoil and pleasure follow.

xpost - But J., I remember that you guys were testing-the-waters on the couch, just as far as physical proximity, an ankle here or there, etc.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

That's true.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

("you guys" being slang - this was a dame Jaymc was mackin' on!)

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2001/06/28/lemmon34.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/2004-03/09-glengarry-inside.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Always Be Closing, fellas.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~renglish/377/notes/chapt03/shelly2.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

(xpost yay, you got it)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

A guy I knew used the phrase 'porch time' to describe the moments of setting up the equation that leads to the making out. e.g., Putting in some potch time with her at the party.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, this is stupid. I should be able to hear someone talk about their own exploits without it sending me into a spiral of self-obsession. Sorry, gbx.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

No worries. I was just wondering if the phenomenon in questions was the usual. I'm not much of a spontaneous maker-outer.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Guys, I turn 28 this week. I haven't made any plans yet, but I'm sure friends and I will be going out either Thursday, Friday, or both. Since socializing and/or meeting up has fallen apart many, many times before (quite often because of my lameness) I don't expect much, but consider this a heads-up of possible doings later this week.

Back to your regularly-scheduled ILXing

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

28! A nice number, I think. Even on both sides and adds up to 10.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:39 (twenty years ago)

Five lifts of boxes later...Yeah, I never really got any spontaneously making out. I did it once in a club with a guy named either Paul or Patrick and I felt slightly icky afterwords.
Anyway, so I think I patched things up over lunch but now I'm a little mad because he made me feel guilty about doing something amazing, for myself. Also, problem #2, I think my instructor was hitting on me Sat. night and I need to find a nice way to curtail him, the problem is that he is a very attractive man and someone who's just naturally flirtatious (I think).

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm...here's a question: do you live together?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

We are getting an apartment together in June.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

I think perhaps I'm just freaking out about losing my personal freedom? I don't know. I certainly love him, and we have a good stable relationship, but I don't think he's the love of my life (if such a person exists).

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

I'm asking because as someone who needs space and time to do things by myself and with friends and my SO doesn't always want to socialize or do those things, that living with the SO makes things easier since you both always know that you will come home, both literally (to the same house) and figuratively (to each other). This was true long before we got married. (We lived together for like 3 years before we got married.)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

Yes. I'm hoping that's what's happening. I also got no sleep and got beaten to a pulp by black belts for most of the weekend so I think I'm just tired and confused and everything will iron itself out in a few days.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

I'm booooooooooooored. I think it's time for afternoon tea and cookies. Who's with me?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Sounds good. I had mid-morning tea instead today. But I keep forgetting to restock my Roastaroma, so I'm stuck with Detox tea.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Oh man, I used to drink that detox tea during a particularly dark period in my life (hence, the detox) and I can't even bear the smell of it anymore. I'm currently enjoying Irish breakfast tea (with milk) and generic Nilla wafers.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:02 (twenty years ago)

I think any spontaneous making out (as such) I've ever done has been after much alcohol and has been with women, thus it was more like "ironic" making out -- and, notably, didn't involve kissing, just assorted touching, groping, and gyrating.

A friend of mine, who I have a "innocent hug and flirt" relationship with, but who I am not interested in (for anything beyond that), surprised me by trying to kiss me on the mouth the other day -- while I was giving him a hug after a show -- and while it still seemed like it was "innocent" (rather than, say, "oh how I've pined for you, this is my chance!") it was, nevertheless, startling. And I didn't expect him to be aiming for my mouth, so I turned my head and he wound up kissing me somewhere between mouth and cheek.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

You gave The Cheek!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:11 (twenty years ago)

The Cheek is the worst.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:21 (twenty years ago)

It was more like the corner of my lip, but yes. I think the Hair is the worst, though.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:25 (twenty years ago)

The Hair? I'm not familiar with this deflection move. Do tell.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

It's a more vigorous Cheek, especially when done by women with long straight hair. You get a mouthful of hair and no flesh contact at all. Complete denial!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

That move sends a powerful message.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

The wall of hair doesn't lie.

I get to leave in 10 minutes! Woo.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Archers of Loaf still rule

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Yes indeed.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

I would yammer on about that, but I gotta go. See you later, Martian craters!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)

I listened to Archers of Loaf a couple of times around 1996-97 and found I couldn't really take Bachman's low, growling voice in the context of such noisy rock -- it was too much of one thing, and not enough of a complement. To my ears, Crooked Fingers makes more sense for his voice, although my sense now is that the Archers guitar sound is probably on the whole more interesting than the admittedly pretty fingerpicking he does now. I've often been curious to revisit their stuff.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Get one Vs. the Greatest of All Time.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure the album I listened to was All the Nation's Airports.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:50 (twenty years ago)

I like CF too, but I've always loved Archers (especially this EP) more. The guitars just seem to want to kill each other.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:54 (twenty years ago)

icky mettle was the only one worth it for me. everything else was kind of had a sebadoh cross polinated with superchunk feel for me.

my best friend loved the loaf though.

"GO LOAF!"

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 20 February 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Vee Vee has the anthems.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 February 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Renaldo & the Loaf still rule.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 20 February 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

5:15 Wake up
5:45 Leave house
6:30 Get to work
12:30 Leave work
1:15 Get tire patched
1:30 Eat cereal
1:45 Play video games
2:00 Check email
2:15 Wander around apartment aimlessly
2:30 Go on walk to video game store (don't buy anything)
3:30 Get home from walk, lay on couch and read about Krakatoa
3:45 Check email, ILX
4:15 Leave house to pick up Sarah

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

Pretty sweet life.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:15 (twenty years ago)

Is this the job that's supposed to convert to full-time soon?

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:21 (twenty years ago)

You only work 6 hours a day? Sheesh.

Archers of Loaf? More like "Aren't you a Loafer!"

ZING-TOWN!

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Those ZINGS are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:22 (twenty years ago)

We have a Category 5 ZING reported....and it's coming right this way!

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

LOOK OUT! HERE IT COMES AGAIN!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

http://users.rcn.com/bbober/zing/zphotos/zlogo_purple.gif

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

HIT THE DECK.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)

8-8:30 Wake up
9-10 Get to work
12 Either have lunch or make excuse to wander around for an hour
3-5 Leave work
4-6 Get home, turn on computer
11-3 Get out of chair, turn off computer, go to bed

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 February 2006 23:33 (twenty years ago)

That's not every day. Just most weekdays.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 February 2006 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Today:

11:30 Wake up, putz around online
1:00 Shower, then putz around online
2:00-2:30 Make lunch: Artichoke! Make coffee, read Peanuts
2:30-3:30 IM. Postpone cleaning house, packing, etc.
3:30-6:00 Somewhere in here, I should clean up, pack, etc.
6:00 Off to go drink with poets

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 20 February 2006 23:36 (twenty years ago)

ChiLX: what can you tell me of No Exit and the We Are Careful collective?

Apparently that's who we'll be dealing with for this show.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:18 (twenty years ago)

Those ZINGS are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE.

Ahhhh hahahahahaha!

Good one.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Today:

7 am: Wake up. Shower. Eat. Get dressed.
8 am: Leave for work.
9 am - 1 pm: Work
1:30 - 2:45: Class
3 pm: leave school
Usually I go to the worker's center until anywhere from 6 to 8, then come home and study until the Daily Show. Today I came home and went to the grocery store and now I'm going to write a paper about...

ECONOMIC JUSTICE.

No. Seriously. That's what the class is called.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:31 (twenty years ago)

Now you stalkers know where to find me on Mondays.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:31 (twenty years ago)

Steven Segal and Milton Friedman are out for...

ECONOMIC JUSTICE

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:50 (twenty years ago)

today:

5:00am - wake up
7:00am - get to work
6:00pm - leave work
6:45pm - arrive at home
7:00pm - walk to Buy Low Liquors
7:03pm - get a bottle of makers mark
7:13pm - read comics till I go to bed

― Jeff. (Jeff), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:14 (twenty years ago)

Steven Segal and Milton Friedman are out for...

In the movie, Milton Friedman will be played by Morgan Freemen.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:18 (twenty years ago)

7:03pm - get a bottle of makers mark
7:13pm - read comics till I go to bed

That's how you know you're not an alcoholic. If I bought a bottle at 7:03pm, I'd be blind drunk by 10.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:22 (twenty years ago)

Another dumb band question (::unsubscribe::) --

How do I shot EP in Chicago?

Are there studios you would recommend? Home recorders? HELP.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:46 (twenty years ago)

7:03pm - get a bottle of makers mark
7:13pm - read comics till I go to bed

i thought initially that maybe that meant drinking the bottle of maker's mark in 10 minutes...but then you wouldn't be able to see straight to read.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:33 (twenty years ago)

actually, I'm saving it for later. I'm even too tired to drink.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:37 (twenty years ago)

Good man. Get some sleep.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:48 (twenty years ago)

What do you mean by "shot an EP," gib? If you mean record an EP, that's easy. You just need an 8-track and a laptop with some sort of music program on there. Or - screw that - you just need a 4-track.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:20 (twenty years ago)

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/18492691/698131

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

My yesterday in great detail, since I missed out on this game:

5:45ish? Nick wakes me up to say goodbye
6:30 My alarm goes off- I take a shower, get dressed, read in bed while drinking coffee, pack my lunch...
7:20 I think, huh, I really should leave the house now - I find my coat, remember I forgot to put on makeup, remember I forgot to pack a snack...
7:25 I think, I REALLY should leave the house, but instead I sit on the bed and read more
7:30 I actually leave the house. I fight with the back door lock because it sticks. I catch the bus. I walk from the bus stop to work.
7:40-8 I get to work. I work.
noon-1 Lunch in the conference room, but I have to listen for the door since I'm the receptionist.
1-4:30 More work
4:35 Nick calls asking why I haven't left work yet because he's waiting outside
4:36-5:30 We go to Barnes & Noble to browse. I use a gift card to buy a really silly mag called LUCKY, A MAGAZINE ABOUT SHOPPING.
5:30-6 Get food from PICANTE. Get 2 movies from NORTH COAST
6-bedtime Watch NETWORK while eating. Finish Middlesex. Sleep.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:26 (twenty years ago)

SQUEE. I love Lucky, Sarah, even though it's patently ridiculous. Mostly because you can see what's being paraded as "in" so you can decide which elements you like well enough to adopt/co-opt and which are going to irritate the shit out of you every time you see 'em on yet another "college girl" with bad highlights.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Cost of 4 or 8 track v. studio time?

I know I could actually research this, but Chicago: Big Science is chock-a-block with REAL MUSICIANS!

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

This was my day yesterday (since I missed this game too):

5am - wake up
5-5:30- feed and poop dogs
5:55 - leave for work
6:45 - arrive at work
6:45-2:45 work
2:45-3:30 travel home
3:30-3:45 - hug, kiss Dan and dogs, get snack
3:45-4:15 - drive to schoo;
4:15-7 - class, learn about questions in Thai and the sound system of Kirundi.
7-7:30 drop my friend off, drive home
7:30-8 snack
8-9 watch stupid television programs with Dan and dogs
9:30 - fall dead asleep
1:15am - wake up with horrible sore throat

now: sick! boo!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I am at work though, since I've been blazing through sick days. Hey, also, I second "Vs. the Greatest of All Time" for the Archers. Man, I love them. I love solo EB too. As always, I have to take this opportunity to point everyone to this soundtrack because I'm maritally obligated to do so whenever the topic of EB comes up. (It's in my Wifely Duties contract*)

*not really

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Agh. Sick. I hate sick. I only like playing sick.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

7:15am alarm goes off
7:30am I actually get up, shower, make lunch, etc
8:15am leave for work
~8:50am get to work
12:00pm lunch in the cafe since it's not worth walking anywhere in the cold and wind
~12:30 pm back to work
5:00pm leave work
5:09pm get speeding ticket on LSD on the way home (59 in a 45 - I am a CRIMINAL)
5:30pm get home, rush to fridge and drink cold beer
5:30-6:30pm drink beers, watch news programs, Simpsons
6:30pm make/eat dinner
7:00pm-12:00am: watch olympics, play Call of Duty 2, read Pau| Fe1g book
12:00am: go to bed

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:15 (twenty years ago)

So the question now is: Do I 1. pay the $75 and have a record; 2. pay ~$105, go to traffic school and not have a record, or 3. contest the ticket? I'm leaning towards 1, but unsure of how that will affect my insurance BS.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Also, this is a video of a friend of mine who works for Northwestern talking about open-source programming: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~csev/media//2005/githens/githens.htm

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Gib, not sure what the average studio rates are (I've made deals with friends when I've recorded), but you might be surprised at the affordability. Electrical Audio (Albini's studio) has a session calcuator, including tape: http://www.electrical.com/booking.php

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Whoa - he makes $650 per day? Wow.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:28 (twenty years ago)

6.15am -- Alarm
6.16-7.15am -- SNOOZIN' IT
8.15am -- leave for work
8.30ish -- arrive at work
8.30am - 6.30pm -- die a little inside
6.45pm -- get home
7.00pm - midnight -- beerz, HBO, hangin' with my friends, book before sleeping

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

Eazy -- I've been surprised by the affordability, too. A friend of mine recommended Blam Recording (up in Rogers Park), and says that he knows some "enthusiasts" that will come to your practice space and record that way, too.

We're not looking for the most kickass, polished EP ever, just something to hold in our hands and that we can give to venues. 4 songs, tops.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I second having friends do it or learning how to do it yourself.

Paying to have an EP recorded = maybe a couple of hundred bucks?
Buying your own 8 track on ebay so you can record your own songs for the rest of your life = priceless

Basically, it's like that whole teaching a man to fish parable.

Laurel, that's exactly how I feel about Lucky. Sometimes I think, hmm... cute... and other times I'll go through a whole issue going, "OH MY GOD! HIDEOUS, ALL OF IT!" The upsides are that:
a) I spend less money on clothes when I don't like the current trends
b) I am given fodder to ridicule women walking down the street

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:35 (twenty years ago)

I am given fodder to ridicule women walking down the street
Who talks like that? I think I'm high on coffee right now.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Today I'm wearing a skirt I bought when I was 18 AND the boots I bought on the same day. Are these clothes too old? (They are 12 years old)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

I think that they are too old, but I can't be bothered to care. This skirt is so comf. It's bound to be stylish again SOMEDAY.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

No, unless they scream Portishead! and Oasis!

But seriously, '94 wasn't a year for extreme fashion, was it? Other than the ill-fated "banded collar" look on men's dress shirts.

I remember the Oscars in early '95, all the men had banded collars and no ties.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

It's like 1994-1995 were the test years for 'casual day' fashion, thus the banded collar and the soft-denim dress shirt.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Not if they still fit!

Sadly, I'm really rough with my clothes. A better way to look at it might be that I get a lot of wear out of them. Anyway, I wear them out usually within a year. Either that or I change sizes. Or I just give them to good will because I'm sick of them.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Oh god, no - they're not that bad (demim band collar!). It's a long (ankle length) brown sweater skirt and black lace-up boots. I just feel sort of time-warpy. Also, feeling delirious from being sick. This skirt has been all over the place with me. I'm sort of attached to it, I guess.

4 states, 2 countries, 12 years: Me and My Skirt, a Love Story

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Those sound cute, 'manda.

And doesn't this man look happy?
http://www.unionproducts.net/images/nemesis/shirts/cc25.jpg

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Oh man that's so ugly

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)

I want a love story with a skirt. :-(
In better news, I'm wearing one of my favorite skirts today too. It's plaid and kind of high waisted, but that's good for me because I have a Loooooooooooonnnnnngggggg torso.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Yesterday:

8:00 Wake up
8:40 Leave house, drive to Chicago Blue Line stop
9:30 Arrive at work
1:00 Go to Cosi for a sandwich
1:25 Work some more
6:20 Leave work, call in an order for a gorgonzola/walnut salad from D'Agostino's (near the Chicago Blue Line stop)
6:40 Pick up said salad
6:45 Drive to Oak Park for band practice
7:00 Stop at gas station to fill up my front tires with air
7:05 Arrive at the Sh3aff residence early, sit and eat my salad while Colin plays me a piano tune he's been working on
7:30 Band practice starts
10:30 Band practice ends
10:45 Drive to Pilsen with Matt and Megan because Matt's hungry and I could use a drink
11:00 Get to Morgan's on Maxwell St., where I order a margarita and a Pilsner Urquell
1:00 Drive Matt home
1:20 Sit in Matt's driveway talking about music and why I like contemporary country and what Pitchfork's motivations are
2:00 Drive home
2:20 Look around for my dental insurance card
2:30 Listen to the Stylus podcast with guest contributor Nabisco, while at some point finding my dental insurance card and meanwhile checking e-mail and ILX
3:00 Go to sleep

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Sarah! I'm sure if I gave it any real thought I'd have to admit what a defensive, self-righteous, self-consciously ironic, post-SOMEthing approach I'm taking in justifying my Lucky reading. But suck it up, I'm not prepared to dig any deeper right now. Sometimes you just want to know who's making good wedges this year. :)

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

(gbx, we recorded a couple songs at Blam for a WLUW show -- they're nice guys)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

..."wedges"?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)

They're shoes.
http://www.pinkbytheharbor.com/shop/images/connie_shoe.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:06 (twenty years ago)

They're not all metallic pink, though. It's just the shape of the heel.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Gross.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Yesterday:

8:00 Wake up
8:30 Drive to bagel place, get coffee and two bagels.
8:35 Get to work, eat poppyseed + cream cheese, work
11:50 Eat potato bagel + cream cheese
4:15 Sneak out of work, meet trombone players, drive to Milwaukee
6:00 Arrivate at Potowatami Casino, gorge on free buffet
7:00 - 11:00 Play brass band music for dead-eyed old women and desperate-eyed gamblers, drive home
11:30 Stop at gas station, buy giant bag of rye chips (liberated from their snack mix context). Eat chips.
1:00 am Crash.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Ooh! Dentist! Fun!

I'm definitely not going back to that frou frou dentist. I've been asking everyone for recommendations. Apparently, Ben goes to these 2 chicks who are our age and listen to good rock music while doing their thing.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:08 (twenty years ago)

jaymc, that's what I'm hearing. We're not looking for anything fancy. Just something to shop around. An artifact, if you will.

Still, home recording has some appeal.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:08 (twenty years ago)

Or this:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/LimitedLiabilityGirl/wedges.jpg

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Heels are stupid.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), February 19th, 2006 1:04 AM. (jaymc) (later) (link)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Can wedges be jellies, or are they only wood?

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Phew, it's a lucky thing you'll probably never be asked to wear any!!

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Usually cork, but they can be made of any substance that can withstand the weight of a human being. (Plastic, whatever)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

The wedge is big right now.

Heels are stupid.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), February 19th, 2006 1:04 AM. (jaymc) (later) (link)

I wish I were jaymc so I could round up all the quotes from jaymc about his tastes in women's fashions, and then post a photo of a big hairy hippie as an example of jaymc's perfect woman.

That's the dream.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

All I'm sayin' is that my sister is getting married in the side yard, and my usual kitten heels aren't gonna cut it on the grass all day...so I'm going to have to cave and go with wedges. Hence my window-shopping of late.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

I like wedges and heels of all sorts. No shame, Laurel!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

oooh.
I like wedges but it's hard finding them in height under 3" and I've been yelled at by my chiropractor not to wear shoes that tall anymore. I'm not getting rid of my red ankle strap sandals though.

Yesterday:
6:30 am- wake up
6: 35 am- fend off ankle biting cat before getting into shower
6:35-7:35: Get ready for work
7:40-scrape ice from car, drive to work
8:00-arrive at work
8:00-8:45-putz around on internet, realize all vendors are gone due to Preznits Day
9:45-Go get Cappoccino
10:10-Get call from woman offering me hospital job, accept job
10:20-11-talk to my supervisor, give two weeks notice
12-1: Get lunch with A., get upset
1-2:30: Do some work, decide to go home early since I have vacation time to kill now and I'm dead tired
2:45-4:30: Sleeeeeep
4:45-5:30: Write out bills, eat some yogurt & nuts, mess around, go back to campus
6:00-9:00: Bujinkan practice
9:00: eat cereal, hang out, talk to A. and my mom
10:00-attempt to find passage in Iliad, fall asleep while reading
11:00-get up, wash face, brush teeth, go back to bed.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Hey, congrats on the job!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Thanks!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Yes, congratulations. Here's to moving on to better things!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

IndeeD!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Jobby job!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

...wait, Jordan, where did you get that? That's our band nickname for Megan. (Long story.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Okay, I'm a-skimmin', but Sarah and Laurel just made me interested in Lucky Magazine about Shopping for the first time EVER. I think it was the "fodder for mocking" comment that Sarah made.

Two things:

Isn't it weird that my friend Emily knows Nick from WAY BACK?

and

HOLY SHIT I am now taking over for Jeff in the "loving the Dresden Dolls to distraction" category. I think that Backstabber might go down with Bob Dylan's Idiot Wind and Ween's You Fucked Up as a brilliant "fuck off" song.

Oh also, because I'm lazy... which of you rockstars has shows coming up and when and where? I've been neglecting my friends and their musical endeavors. Also, I like all of your bands so it's not like this would be a pity outing.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Apparently we're playing a gig on March 10th!

Apparently!

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

I love Lucky magazine because it has stickers!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

I think that Backstabber might go down with Bob Dylan's Idiot Wind

Heresy.

and Ween's You Fucked Up

You can have that one. Here, have all the Ween you want.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Here are the lyrics so you can all revel in the FUCK YOUness of it. It actually makes me wish I was really angry at someone so I could enjoy it on another level:

backstabber

the record goes from blue to gold
so thank you for all your help
I know you want to jump around
but try to contain yourself
you always struck me as the type to take it lightly
but now you’re gonna have to shut your mouth or fight me…

backstabber, backstabber….

you’re all alone you’re all over
the popular magazines will never care what do you care
you’re down with the japanese
but you’ve got no right to sit there saying I abuse it
when you only sleep with girls who say they like your music

backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber

backstabber! hope grabber!
greedy little fit haver!
god, I feel for you, fool…..
shit lover! off brusher!
jaded bitter joy crusher!
failure has made you so cruel….

rotten to the core
rotten to the core

rotten like a crackwhore
backing out out the backdoor
show us what you’re good for
stick it to the noise board
come on join the bloodsport
show us some support, still
working at the drugstore
is it because you’re A FUCKING

backstabber! hope grabber!
greedy little fit haver!
god, I feel for you, fool…..
shit lover! off brusher!
jaded bitter joy crusher!
failure has made you so cruel….

so don’t tell me what to write
and don’t tell me that I’m wrong……
and don’t tell me not to reference my songs within my songs

so here we go the open road
is covered with taco stands
and you can stop we’ll drop you off
and write to you when we land

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Jaymc, Snoop Doggy Dogg should get a jobby job.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

It's not heresy! Read those lyrics! Shit lover! Off brusher! Joy crusher!

I mean, Idiot Wind would be number one, but I think that for sheer creatively worded fury, Backstabber is worthy.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

And actually, apart from a small handful of songs, the novelty of Dresden Dolls wore off pretty quick. Still good, just not "must have."

This AC Newman album, OTOH...

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

GBX: March 10, check. Where?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Ignore me this morning. I am sick and I am being a dick.

Hey, that rhymes!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

This is my favorite part of the song, though:

backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber backstabber

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Girls be gettin angry.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Jenny -- the next Canasta show is March 1 (a week from Wednesday) at the Empty Bottle, with Swearing at Motorists and Charlemagne.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, Kenan. I think ignoring you would give you tacit permission to randomly be a dick. I would prefer to FIGHT.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Here are the lyrics to a song called Backstabber by one of my favorite crust/hardcore/metal bands from back in my punk days, Dystopia:

lying bastards
decieving fuckers
you are a curse
violation
kicked in the head
when i hurt the worse
my body boils with
both anger and confusion
thorazine is such
a bitch to endure
i wanna rip your
fucking head off
you desecrate
all that i pure
stab me in the back
enemy
and to think
i fucking trusted you
you never cared
like a fucking doormat
you wiped your feet
on my dignity
so what
you caught me
when i was down
i must have been blind
to think your actions
constituted any love
liar
apologise till your
throat is sore
youre not sorry
cover your tracks
like you did before
no not any more
the drugs im taking
dont calm me anymore
i sit in angry depression
im worse off
than i was before
you fucking pig
i dont forgive
i dont forget
my minds set
i hope youre proud of
what youve done to me
you never fucking cared
backstabber
are to me in many forms
my best friend
hitler. jesus christ. the law
fuck all you cunts
you shat on me
i hope it happens to you
maybe youll understand
how fucked it really feels

As an aside: those dudes were on Misanthropic Records. How appropriate!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

One time a guy I was dating told me that "Positively 4th St." reminded him of me. I guess it's a drag to see me. That relationship did not last long.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

I am playing at the Green Mill on Friday, March 10th and Saturday, March 11th.

Hey, a band member's wife did a new website design for the band, do you graphically-minded people think it's okay?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

NICE ARMS! And mermaid.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

The navigation is a little funky, but I like it better than your old site.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

I guess we're playing at No Exit?

Ring any bells? I'm still new around here.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I should still be in town for that Canasta show!

Dan, I thought the rule was that you always contest the ticket (if you can afford to, you don't want to miss work for it), because often the cops won't bother showing up and then you get to "get out of jail free". But I don't actually drive, I just remember hearing that advice before.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

No Exit - is that the place up in the Ro-Pa? That's my neck of the woods, but I've never been there.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Evan sure likes to bust those triceps.

Point of interest: if you dig into the Jazzfest photos there is a pic of me looking very fat and bearded.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

I contested my last speeding ticket because I have a lawyer cousin barred in the state where I got nabbed, and if I hadn't contested it, I would have been screwed, insurance-wise.

There should be an on-line ILX gig calendar.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

It's too late, I mailed the check a little while ago. Oh well, good thing I paid my insurance for several months in advance.

xxxpost

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

One time a guy I was dating told me that "Positively 4th St." reminded him of me.

That's positively cold blooded.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

There should be an on-line ILX gig calendar.

Who wants to set up a quick-n-dirty wiki?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

gbx, No Exit is a cafe up in Rogers Park that claims to be the oldest coffeehouse in Chicago -- it opened in the mid-50s, I believe, when the Sartre play was still considered a relatively new work. I don't really know how it's stayed in business this whole time, though -- it has really sporadic hours and now it seems like it's only open for performances, community meetings, or other events. Kelsey and I saw Eazy play a show there years ago.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Swearing at Motorists are fun. He hops around a lot.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

That's positively cold blooded.
I KNOW! You can imagine my shock upon being told that.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Is it possible that he didn't listen to the lyrics very carefully?

... no, I suppose that's not possible.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

I'll set up the wiki.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

C@n@st@ is the same night as M0gwai?!?!? DAMN IT!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:53 (twenty years ago)

xpost - (and then I'll shut up about it) No, he knew what he was saying. That loser used to read instruction manuals for his stupid recording equipment WHILE we were eating dinner. At a restaurant! Unbelievable.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

But... but... you're so awesome! WTF?!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)

I've seen a few plays at No Exit (and played solo there once) but haven't seen a band play there.

I think I plugged this before, but a 10-minute short film I made (about a college DJ in the middle of the night) is having its premiere this Friday night at 8 p.m. at South Union Arts, part of a night of short films and music - should be good! Kelsey mixed the sound, thank god! http://www.electricagemedia.com/soundvision/

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I'll set up the wiki.

Wait, no I won't, I clearly don't know what I'm doing. I just tried to download some software, and it said I needed shit like Apache and MySQL. Go for it, Kenan.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

There should be an after-hours blowing session between 'nasta and 'ogwai, the way the old jazz cats used to do it.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

xpost - Dude, I have no idea.

What's a wiki?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

and it said I needed shit like Apache and MySQL

And, like, a server.

What's a wiki?

Like, wikipedia. Most wikis look exactly like that, because they all use the same software.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

that AC newman seemed good, which is a nice first impression because usually it takes me forever to figure out wtf i think of an album. i have a few other albums i'd downloaded at the same time which are strongly meh or just seem generic indie, i dunno.

i was listening to isolee last night and was trying to figure out what he's singing at one point. it sounds like "regular cunt" but i think i'm hearing it wrong. i think the song is 'i owe you'.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

One of my co-workers and I just set up a wiki here on our intranet for sharing troubleshooting tips and error-solving advice amongst our team. It's more of a pain than it should be.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

i was listening to isolee last night and was trying to figure out what he's singing at one point. it sounds like "regular cunt" but i think i'm hearing it wrong. i think the song is 'i owe you'.

Is that song on Rest? Because it's not on Wearemonster.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

yeah, track 13 on rest.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

that AC newman seemed good

It's quite good, and I usually can't stand New Pornographers.

i was listening to isolee last night and was trying to figure out what he's singing at one point

At some point, you just have to remember that he's named "Rajko Müller" and accept that he's a damn fureigner.

Is that song on Rest? Because it's not on Wearemonster.

I think it's on the new one.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Ah, I haven't heard Rest. (Wearemonster is the new one, K.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Maybe a blog or something would be easier.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

he's named "Rajko Müller" and accept that he's a damn fureigner.

but it sounds like "regular cunt"! so, it's entertaining to try to determine what he's actually saying. maybe because it's impossible and you're just left with thinking it's "regular cunt".

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

http://www.stikipad.com/ is probably the easiest way to set up a collabrative wiki these days. You can host your own though, if you want more control.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

We could do a Yahoo Calendar, but I think anyone who wanted to go in and edit it would need a Yahoo account.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Kenan, Thanks so much for that Neil Young cd you made for Nick. I'm listening to Neil Young tous les temps and loving it.

I want to hear these Dresden Dolls.

It looks like the FF will be playing a little thing at the Hide0ut eazy has done before. Four bands play total. They each play a couple of songs plus a cover of one of the other band's songs. That's... March 7th I think? I'll check...

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

OR we could start a group on Upcoming.org. I just tried but the "Add Group" page is blank.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

I think I like the Dresdon Dolls. I wish Maddie would get around to getting a full album or two.

Last night there was a group called Cowboy Mouth playing at the casino. They were...entertaining, I suppose.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

(Wearemonster is the new one, K.)

No. "Western Store" is the new one.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

All I know about the Dresden Dolls is that the Ditty Bops opened for 'em. I'd like to check them out.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Whoops! No, it's MARCH 2nd. (the ff and 3 other bands thing) It will be... artistic.

In angry songs mode...

"Blood One"

A-E-I-O don't owe you nothing
Nada, nunca
Nothing, never
I don't fit into yr dumb words
Language is memory pushing thru my skin
Bloody memory that filters everything
Blood is one
Hate is two
My pussy is three, 3
That makes you for
Peace, love, & equality
Your terms
I don't fit into those words
Yr alphabet is spelled with yr blood
Yr alphabet is spelled with our blood
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
I don't understand
I don't understand

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Kenan, Thanks so much for that Neil Young cd you made for Nick.

Oh, it was for you, too! I'm glad you like it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

"Blood One"

steve lawrence and edie gorme?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

John, you're right and I'm wrong. "Western Store" is a bunch of 12"s.

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=20444

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

http://upcoming.org/user/31749/

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

We should set up a Basecamp!

Kenan knows what I'm talking about. Probably.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Eh, I never liked Basecamp.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Cool, John. Now, can we add our own events, or do I just tell you what they are?

Please add:
MARCH 2nd FF Hideout (Chicago's Finest Hour):
> TUFFY UK covering MILLION YEN
> MILLION YEN covering TUFFY UK
> PHIL ROCKROHR & THE LIFTERS covering FAKE FICTIONS
> FAKE FICTIONS covering PHIL ROCKROHR

And
May 6th
FF Hideout with The Like Y0ung

MWAH!

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Basecamp would be needlessly complicated for our purposes.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

The best part of that song I posted is the "I don't understand"s at the end.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Oh!! You're going to like Tuffy UK, I bet. My friend Kate's the main gal in that band. Same general ballpark as the FFs!

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:35 (twenty years ago)

Fun!

We need to sit down and listen to PR &The L1fters and pick out a song. When you did it, did everyone follow the 2-songs-of-your-own and 1-of-the-other-band's formula?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, you can add your own events to Upcoming.org! You just have to create a profile. And then hopefully, someone can create a CHILX group, which will then display all of the events all of us have added on one page.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

(Like I said, I would do it, but it isn't working for me right now.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I heart web apps.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, yeah, everyone did a cover - we got to pick which band we covered, though. Some of the bands muight've played more than 3 songs if they had really short songs, but I'm not sure. I started and ended with my own songs and did the cover in the middle, and a guy who was kind of a Goo Goo Dolls type did a cover of "Can't Hold Love...Bay" in an emotive belting way like a tenor Eddie Vedder, and he meant every word of it, and that was fun. Made me feel like a real Songwriter.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Awesome.

Ok, so I made an upcoming profile and put the first event up. I'm Sarah Fiction.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:52 (twenty years ago)

You certainly are.

When will Nick admit that he is Nick Fiction?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

I mean, seriously. It's the best punk rock name since Richard Hell. Better!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Totally.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

If that rock band I'm "in" ever gets going, I will be Jordan Optimistic. Not as good.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Jord-Op

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Jord-Op Prime

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:59 (twenty years ago)

I'm so sick. I hate my life.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Wow, everyone is sick all the time! My boss hasn't been here since Wednesday, and a bunch of other people are out.

Makes me wonder if I'm sick and don't realize it and am just working through it or if I have some kind of super immune system, because I haven't felt bad enough to take work off in a long while.

Man, I wish there was some wood to knock on around here.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

I thought I had a super duper immune system but then I got this hideous sore throat. It's not fair - I eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, sleep ~7 hours per night and don't smoke at all or drink much. Now my throat hurts so bad I have to be sipping a hot bevvie at all times in order to cope. WHAT GIVES?

(ps - knock on your head in times of wood-scarceness, that's what I do, old-man-style)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

I haven't felt bad enough to take work off in a long while.

I'm leaving early today. I don't know if my employers know that yet, but that's the way it is.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Some things will never change.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

(sorry)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:19 (twenty years ago)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

haha

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

I should stay super late tonight to get things done before New Orleans, but I don't think I can stomach it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Oh! I solved my water problem. I guess I didn't mention my water problem. I had no water in my place a couple of days ago, then again yesterday. I went down into the basement to find a burst pipe spraying everywhere and about 5 inches of water on the basement floor. Suckitude. But then there was a plumber, and then there was water. Oddly, though, everything works except for the cold water spigot in the bathroom. Just the cold water one, not the hot. I can't figure it out. But I'm so happy to have water at all that I'm not going to worry about it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Please add the Minor Thirds at South Union Arts, rare area appearance, on Saturday. Apparently. If anyone wants to play along (on something acoustic, perhaps clarinettish or tubaoid) for a song or two, let me know, it would be fun (and aggressively last-minute).

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Times like this I wish my clarinet hadn't been stolen.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

(Bird Names at that Sat. night SUA too - they're intriguing and fun, a big collective that goes from 0 to noisy in 5 secs)

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Times like this I wish I had stolen my tuba from my high school. xpost

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I do have a baritone horn but it is in MI...

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Also: someone (Nick?) suggest some Silkw0rm for me. GO!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

I saw Bird Names with Wooden Wand. Eazy was there!

There were delirious fun.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of bird names, is there anything better than the tufted titmouse?
http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/Birds/Tufted%20Titmouse/titmouse.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Bah! Bah! How much to rent a clarinet and/or tuba, do you think? If you'd be interested/available/etc.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

(Meaning, if it were reasonable and doable, I'd splurge for it.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Aren't clarinets pretty easy to find at pawn shops? Is that gross?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'm probably godawfully rustily terrible, consdiering I barely gave the instrument a second thought once I got my first drum kit, and that was in 1996 or so.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Know what I'd like to see in its natural habitat some day? An owl. Owls are so cool.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

Wish I could stop by and play some tambourine or snare drum.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Amanda, one of my friends got hit by an own when driving to Minneapolis last year. His grill and hood is still totally fucked up.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Martin M. likes owls. But mostly those 70s owls.

Jordan, you're out of town, right?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'll be in New Orleans or else I'd consider driving down.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Oh shit Amanda, you just reminded me of the Great Snowy Owl I saw in a field of the farm I used to live on as a little kid. The thing was immense - had to have had a 6 ft wingspan.

http://www.cameraontheroad.com/photos/birds/snowyowl.jpg

I remember it being more pure white than that one, but still beautiful nonetheless.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:56 (twenty years ago)

What are 70s owls? Like, the taxidermied ones? I like all owls, but mostly ones with weird faces and cute little horns like this one:

http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/owl/wffb028-Owl.jpg

I'm not sure I want to scrap with one or anything, but I would like to watch one walk/fly/putter around. They're so big and birdy. I just realized that I think I love birds.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

I think I love you
So what am I so afraid of?
I'm afraid that I'm not sure of
A love there is no cure for
I think I love you
Isn't that what life is made of?
Though it worries me to say
I've never felt this way

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

You just know he was singing about owls.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:08 (twenty years ago)

I could send over a saxophone player if you'd like, Chris.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of saxophones: where can I get mine repaired? From what the internet has told me, there's like A guy in Chicago that fixes horns.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

Also speaking of saxophones: my friend may have a room for rent in April. $375/mo in Uptown, if you know anyone who would be interested.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I think there's a woodwind repair shop in the Fine Arts Building on Michigan Ave. ...?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Chris -- I'd like to just buy a clarinet for future use, anyway. I'm looking at Craigslist, and there's a plastic "student clarinet" available for $30. I might write the guy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Amanda, there was just kind of this general owl obsession in pop culture in the 70s. Here are a few.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm thinking about using this guy: http://www.pmwoodwind.com/

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Oh dear yes. My grandmother was responsible for some macrame owls, herself.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:27 (twenty years ago)

There was the Tootie Pop owl. That's what I remember.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah - I remember that too.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

I think there's a woodwind repair shop in the Fine Arts Building on Michigan Ave. ...?

I was right:

Eugene S. Gordon Woodwinds
Fine Arts Building
410 S. Michigan Ave.
(312) 663-0414

Gbx -- PM Woodwind was the place that I went to for my clarinet a while back, and they did a nice job with it, but they also kept promising me that it would be ready "in a couple of days" and it ended up being a couple of weeks.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

$30 sounds, you know, unbeatable. Do it do it do it!

70s owls: Owl-based home furnishings. This is the closest example I could image google without spending all day:

http://www.collectible-treasures.com/catalog/images/item2177_1.jpg

xpost

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

(Jaymc you did get my rambling drunken e-mail that included my phone number, right? Anyone else who wants it can get it from him.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Ooh! That clock is so cute!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Then you should visit Portland and go to Martin's place, you'd LOVE it!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Ha, I had no idea it was a drunken e-mail, but yes, I did get it. And I replied, with my own phone number!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

D'oh! Lemme check-a my spam filter, though you're in my addy book so it should have caught it... Hrm!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

How much did it cost?

I dropped my sax (strap broke) and the bell dented, and some of the keys are fucked. I'm nervous that I'm going to have to pay hundreds of dollars.

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Jaymc, I got no such e-mail! I am brokenhearted!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

It was around $100, as I recall. I needed most of the cork replaced.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Chris, my Gmail says you're wrong! Let me try it again...

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

I'll bet mine costs twice that.... :(

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

It came to the tm3 addy? It so did not!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

No: to flim.org or whatever. Which is where you wrote me from.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

Oh. Fair enough. I got the beforwarded one, though.

Maybe I will bring some jasmine tea for Amanda. ;-)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Whee! Any tea is welcome - my throat HURTS!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:51 (twenty years ago)

I can bring some throat coat licorice tea if you want. But didn't you send me the jasmine tea? Am I going bonkers?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:51 (twenty years ago)

No, I sure did. And some other stuff I can't remember.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)

I mean, yes, I sure did.

We learned about that type of negation in Thai in my class last night and apparently it's the opposite of what we say.

Did you eat it?
We say: No, I didn't eat it.
Thai: Yes, I didn't eat it.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Bring us exotic honey and riches from afar!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

I assumed you were saying "No (you are not going bonkers), I sure did (ask you to bring the tea)."

That said:

http://pre1900prints.com/Art,Music,Lit/YesNoBananas.JPG

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:55 (twenty years ago)

I would bring you some of our yummy local madras honey but (a) I'm out and (b) I still need to go buy LUGGAGE so I can PACK so I can CATCH A TRAIN IN FOUR POINT FIVE HOURS.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Bring Colin Meloy.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

That's what I meant, yes. The way my professor was trying to explain it made it sound like the most complicated thing on Earth, when really all she had to say was "Yes, we have no bananas".

Wait, so these get-togethers will occur the weekend of Mar. 3-4-5?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Bring Colin Meloy.
OMG please do not bring Colin Meloy.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Oh you love it.

http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/images/031024-cmj-colin-meloy.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

I love 70s owls. I'm so sad my parents got rid of all their owlish stuff from that time.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)

CHILX group: http://upcoming.org/group/1351/

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Don't ask me to post events, though. Just create a profile, join the group, and post them yourself.

It's not that I don't want to be helpful, I just don't have time to do it.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Word! Thanks, Jenny. Yeah, I don't know why that wasn't working for me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I joined, but I don't really have anything to post.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Who's Chicago Kevin?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Otto, right?

So Chris is gonna be here THIS weekend? I can't go to any get-togethers at ALL because we're going to Iowa for a couple of days to visit the fam. Rats.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

yes, i'm chicago kevin.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:09 (twenty years ago)

Should be, The Chicago Kevin. You know, like The Chicago Seven, except just one guy.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Hello, The Chicago Kevin!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

OOH SILKWORM. I could write a dissertation. But my recommendations are Libertine from the Joel R.L. Phelps era and Firewater from the post-JRLP era. If you just get one, get Firewater, and I'm not sure how easy it is to find Libertine these days, since it was on some tiny label before they signed to Matador. Their next-to-last one, Italian Platinum, was also pretty good, though it falls off a little in the second half and has the world's most boring packaging.

GIB: You should record at the 1ce F@ctory like the FF did. But I'm embarassed to link to their website because they haven't updated it in like a year.

How come when people were posting songs called "Backstabber," no one posted "Backstabbers" by the O'Jays? It's definitely better than whatever you guys were talking about.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:13 (twenty years ago)

that's pretty good. did i share the chicago kevin story at club foot?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:13 (twenty years ago)

I'm gonna be here THIS weekend (when the show is) and then until at least next Thursday, possibly longer if I'm given enough reason to linger.

Now I have LUGGAGE. So I should probably fill it with stuff.

If I brought Colin then B. who I am staying with would kick me out and spend all his time with Colin. So I'm leaving him here, assuming he's not on tour anyways. Isn't his baby gonna pop soon?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:13 (twenty years ago)

hey speaking of the ice factory, do they serve alcohol there?

m.o.t.o. is playing an early show friday so i'd like to have some idea of what i'm in for.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

Dudes, I think I might have tonsillitis. Also known en espanol as amigdalitis.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

Heh, Firewater seems to be the consensus amongst those I've asked (i.e. you and my friend Brad) so that's gonna have to be the one. Thanks! xpost

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

BUSTED: http://fprecords.com/studio.html

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

Otto, yes they serve alcohol. They usually get a couple of kegs and maybe also have some wine. It's usually a couple bucks donation. I don't know this is legal, but whatever.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:17 (twenty years ago)

Amanda! Gargle with salt water. And get to a doc! Untreated amigdalitis (which is just easier to spell for some reason) turns into like scarlet fever or rickets or plagues of locusts or something.

I hope you feel better!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

thanks.

i was there in may for a day time non-blackout sanctioned show but i was so f'ed up from the night before and it was so packed that i started getting the bed spins without benefit of having a bed. so basically i paid my $5 then rode the #65 grand bus back to western with my head hanging out the window like some family dog on summer vacation.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Hey, so I'm meeting a woman tomorrow afternoon to possibly buy a $30 clarinet from her. She works like a block away from me. Craigslist is kind of awesome.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Yay the invisible hand!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

It sucks when I accidentally type craiglist.com instead though, as it's some sort of porn site and I'm at work.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:29 (twenty years ago)

The invisible hand? Lke the invisible hand of the MARKET? As in ECONOMIC JUSTICE???? Or really, lack thereof?

PS I loved the Milton Friedman comment way up there, Eazy. I pretty much like ANYTHING that mocks Milton Friedman.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

I don't feel so good.

Also, I was just supermean to my mom on the phone, who just lost her dad this weekend. She's having me research tickets so we can both go visit my DC sister next month, because she's away from a computer. I did a lot of research, found 2 tickets, and called her to confirm before I bought them. So she opens up the parameters, to say the least - she wants me to try various combinations (us coming in the same day, different days, different/same airports, her taking 1 day off work, 1.5, 2, trying flights in and out on different days to see how it affects the price) on various websites using various frequent flier numbers, etc... Finally I was like, "I don't feel good! Just tell me what to do!" She laughed at first, but then I continued to be mean. :-(

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

I just made a doc's appt for Friday, which I will cancel if my throat gets better. If it doesn't, I guess by that time I will have almost choked on my uvula or something.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Gross.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, that was gross. I know.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, that reminds me of when I used to have to book flights for my crazy attorney boss in NC. God, that was the biggest pain in the ass. And he was so cheap, he never wanted to actually buy the tickets, so he would end up spending more money for being so damn slow. Then he'd give me shit.

God he was nuts.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

NOT TO SAY THAT YOUR MOM IS NUTS!

Yikes. I just had a flashback, that's all.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:44 (twenty years ago)

Heh, Firewater seems to be the consensus amongst those I've asked

I thought you were talking about the Alkaholiks for a second there.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:48 (twenty years ago)

my latest attempt at quitting smoking ends in approximately 35 minutes. made it 20 hours.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Ok, sorry about that. I am taking big breaths at my desk.

Now, a Chicago question. I've read about the following Chicago places recently and was wondering what you could tell me about them.

Firstly, I learned about JANE'S and THE BREAKFAST CLUB from the most recent Time Out Chicago. They are both apparently in my neck of the woods.

Secondly, THE CHEAP STORE - in the south side I think. Ever been there? Is it really cheap? Or is it more along the lines of Design Out of your Reach, Sarah Johnson...?

Good luck, Chicago Kevin!

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

Holy crap, the luggage I just bought -- it's a three piece set, and the two pieces inside are totally BROKEN. As in, the pull-out handle seems to have been RIPPED from the piece and placed inside it. So now I have to LUG it back to the store, replace it, hurry home, pack, and ARRGH!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Abrasive 90s rock band that I will proclaim "still rules" today: Dr1ve L1ke J3hu.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

I would tend to agree with Mr. Mart1n

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

First I must eat something, though -- some broccoli and feta. They cannot take this away from me!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)

Abrasive 90s rock band that I will proclaim "still rules" today: Dr1ve L1ke J3hu.

it should come as no surprise that i agree with this.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:18 (twenty years ago)

I have not been to Jane's but hear it is good. My dad ate there recently and enjoyed it.

(Speaking of my dad, he called me on Sunday night and said, "What were you doing at the corner of Clark and Halsted at around 3:45 this afternoon?" Turns out he was in a yellow school bus escorting students to see Blue Man Group while I was crossing the street to go to DSW. I remember the bus, too. Ha.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Heh. I'm trolling craigslist for potential new music opportunities, and I came across this:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/muc/135914001.html

I don't think I have anything this guy is looking for...

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 03:26 (twenty years ago)

Why isn't anyone posting on the Chicago thread at 4:30 a.m.?

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:27 (twenty years ago)

I kinda like that guy's ad.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

I thought he seemed like a nice guy too. Except he's not looking for me: not only am I married, but I need to be the dominant cook in my relationship.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Also, droopy altered earlobes - no thanks. I wonder if he'll find this thread.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

"thin or close to it"

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Where you been, R. Kelsey? How's life?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

The kosher thing is a total deal-breaker. Do you realize how much of a pain in the ass that is?? Unless you just don't eat meat at all, in which case you can fudge the rules enough to make it work out in a non-kosher household. But strict observance is a very disruptive thing, or would seem like one to the rest of us.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

That dude seems like the kind of guy who goes through phases. I wonder if he'll be kosher two years from now.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Strict observance - not eating ANYTHING that hasn't be approved and stamped by a rabbi at some point. The only restaurant my mom can eat it in all of Milwaukee is the cafeteria at the Jewish old folk's home.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Heh, Judaism "and Taoism".

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Wow. That's serious stuff. Since I'm making unfounded proclamations about "this guy", "this guy" sounds like a dabbler.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Hee, Amanda! True, but I'm not waiting around to find out. :) Also, no beards.

I'd be his friend, though -- he does sound cool.

XP: Yeah, Jordan! Only raw fruits & veg don't have to be certified -- all meat and dairy products do, and anything that's been processed or prepared. Also, you need four sets of dishes/silverware/all cooking vessels & utensils (meat & dairy for everyday plus another set of each for Passover), plus you have to kosher your sink/dishwasher/counters with boiling water every time you switch from one food group to the other (and you can only do that if said objects are stainless steel -- ceramic/tile/corian/whatev can't be koshered so you have to cover it with something or not use it). And that's only the obvious stuff that a shiksa like me knows!

PLUS YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A CHEESEBURGER. WITH BACON.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Do they hand out cards with that info when you move to NYC?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Mmmmmm. Bacon cheeseburger. I enjoyed a kosher frank at the Sox stadium when we went there for Dog Day '04.
http://i1.tinypic.com/oa84tt.jpg

No more pictures of dogs, I promise. But this is too cute.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha. Before I moved to NYC I'd never knowingly met a Jewish person in my life. I mean, I probably did in passing, but I didn't KNOW anyone Jewish. But now I work with someone whose family is observant and keeps kosher and I think it's fascinating so I ask lots of questions.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

That dog IS too cute. I might die.

I normally buy kosher hot dogs b/c the quality of the meat (read: not "parts") is assured. But then I put cheese on 'em. Heh.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

I lurve kosher hot dogs.

Btw, I didn't grow up like that. We did keep kosher when I was a kid and had two sets of dishes, but one dishwasher and processed food was okay. It was just a matter of buying kosher meat. It's only in the last five years that my mom has gone crazy orthodox.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, an Orthodox or Hasidic family around here has "made it" if they have a big enough apartment & renovation budget to put in TWO KITCHENS and stock them both. Because keeping kosher strictly is a biiiiiig deal and would totally fuck up the way you think about/prepare food.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:34 (twenty years ago)

Btw, I had brunch at Ashkenaz on Sunday. Pastrami on rye, cheese blintz, potato latke, OMG.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

PASTRAMI PLUS CHEESE BLINTZ = NOT KOSHER!!! I think you're technically supposed to wait 3 hours? 5 hours? something like that in between eating meat + dairy.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)

My mom's grandmother was Jewish so she knows all this crazy stuff about the dietary laws and the marrying your brother's widow etc.
TS: Kosher vs. Halal meat.
Is there a difference in the way the slaughtering is done?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

i must run an errand afterwork today that will leave me with some time to kill near a few bookstores. anyone have any recommendations?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Was=Converted to Catholicism before WWI because of politics/wanting to get in with the Ezsterhazys.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

I've wondered the same thing about kosher and halal. And what's the deal with your brother's widow? I never had a brother, so I don't know.

Sign at Ashkenaz that really amused us for some reason:

OUR CHUBS
(smoked fish)
SOOOOO GOOD
SOOOOO GOOD
Z

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

What kind of books do you like?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Or, alternately, what are you in the mood to read?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

i'm open to almost anything. sci fi really isn't my thing. i prefer historical non-fiction but really really dig good fiction.

right now i'm re-reading "the ground beneath her feet" by salman rushdie. i've read this book 3 or 4 times now and i still find things that i missed in previous go 'rounds. it's a fucking clinic.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Or, alternately, what are you in the mood to read?

something that will take my mind off of all the weird shit that's bouncing around my brain. that would be nice.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if I'm the person to give you advice about what to read or not, since usually I spend a long time finding something or a historical period that I'm interested in and then I look for books on the subject. The last time that happened I read two books about the murder of Maria Marten and then read a book about murders and crime in ye olde England.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

What about Vlad the Impaler: In Search of the Real Dracula? That should get your mind off of things.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

(I almost checked that out from the library last night, but decided against it in favor of a book about Elizabeth I)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

since usually I spend a long time finding something or a historical period that I'm interested in and then I look for books on the subject

yeah, same thing happened with me after i read this big-assed ben franklin biography. that lead me to reading 1776 which lead me to the letters of john and abigail adams which led me to really poor biography of thomas jefferson which kind of killed that colonial jones i'd had.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

'Among The Thugs' by Bill Buford. American guy goes to the UK, gets caught up in drunk violent football hooligan culture. Non-fiction.

'Big Deal' by Anthony Holden. British journalist decides to see if he can live for a year as a poker player. Non-fiction. Very funny line by line, and you don't have to know or care about poker. This will turn off the weird shit in your brain for a little while.

Wolfe's 'A Man in Full', Roth's 'The Human Stain' and (as fiction that reads like historical memoir) 'The Plot Against America' - all of these are FUN TO READ.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I SHOULD WRITE BOOK REVIEWS FOR FIRST GRADERS.

RATING SYSTEM:
-FUN TO READ
-HARD, BUT GOOD
-BORING

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

you forgot "PRETTY OKAY"

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:24 (twenty years ago)

OH YEAH, PRETTY OKAY.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

http://www.swepett.pp.se/crimson/brufplay.gif

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Who is that?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

With that many drums, he could play every single song.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Evidentally if your brother brother dies and you are single you are required by law to marry his widow (These are the Lubavichers, I think?)
Uh-oh- more trouble on the event relationship horizon...I don't know..is it wrong to worry so much about your partner's work ethic?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

AKA I have "Issues"

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

We all have issues.

Say more about his work ethic. Good? Bad?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

That is Bill Bruford.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Complaining about amount of homework professor assigns because it means he might have to work over spring break, not wanting to teach/do help center in evenings.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I worry about my partner's litter box work ethic.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I am slack on the litter box front, admittedly.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

But everyone complains about stuff -- it's whether he actually fails to DO the things that could be the point of contention.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

I enjoyed Among the Thugs except at the end Buford reveals himself to be a huge jerkface and sort of tries to play it all self-conscious-like, as if KNOWING he's a jerkface makes it less egregious or something.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I don't know Bill Bruford. Bill Buford used to be fiction editor of the New Yorker, IIRC.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Bill Bruford was the drummer for Yes, King Crimson, and synth-jazz band Earthworks. He seems like a very nice guy, and he sometimes wears funny suits.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

The Lubovich are a Hasidic movement but NOT one of the stricter, more disapproving groups. In fact they're quite friendly to converts -- erm, not converts from outside Judaism, necessarily, but "returned Jews" who decide to become more observant. This is a notable quality of the Lubovichers because a lot of Hasidic groups/communities are very critical of people who didn't grow up or live very strictly observant (or "frum") lives, even if they want to change their ways later, because it's thought that non-observant Jews (and their children, families etc) have already been corrupted by secular influences.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Lubavitchers may not be disapproving, but they are still strict, I think!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Please keep in mind that I'm probably missing a wealth of subtlety in my understanding of all things Judaic. But pretty good for The Most Prostestant Girl in the World, eh??

"Strict"? Well, more so than Reform or Orthodox Jews, yes!

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, honestly you probably know more than I do.

Speaking of Jewish, one of my co-workers just asked me if I'm related to Sasha Cohen, Olympic figure skater.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Because Cohen is such an unusual name, of course.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Wait, Sacha Cohen?

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/SHOWBIZ/12/31/alig.shooting/story.alig.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Jocelyn, I agree with what Amanda said about work ethic. Personally, I would be one to worry about it & probably overthink it. At the end of the day, it depends on how it's handled & such. I am involved with a partner who is extremely disciplined & has a wonderful work ethic. I look like a lazy bones by comparison.
xpost: thanks for asking, amanda! things are busy & good.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

http://lib.ru/SONGS/cohen/livesongs.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

p.s. i knew ez would recommend the bill buford book. he loves it so.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

http://www.123posters.com/images/movie/f-oc3.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

(Fictional Cohen)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/images/film/OBrother_Cohen_Bros.jpg

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

that's my contribution.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Honorary Co(h)ens

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

whatevs

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

My favorite Cohen. This guy is SO NICE -- I met him when I was on a trip with my dad. He likes to play the piano in his spare time, when he isn't writing books about population explosions. I wanted him to adopt me.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

By the by, Leonard Cohen is likely going to tour again later this year or in '07, his first concerts since 1993 (one of my favorite concerts of all-time).

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Ugh. This day is killing me. Nothing is working like it should.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Oh btw, my dentist visit last night was successful. Zero cavities. She kept saying how lucky I was, given I hadn't seen a dentist in five years. I was surprised at how quick it was. Most of the time I was in the chair was spent getting x-rays taken and waiting for the results. But after that, all they did was clean my teeth with water and pick, and then that thing with the whirring metallic apparatus coated in purple gunk. I seem to remember my past dentist visits being much more involved -- like they'd floss for you and make comments about the state of your gums and lecture you on what you need to do to promote good oral hygiene. All this lady said was "come back in six months!"

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

But my teeth felt soooo clean afterward that it made me think, "OMG I totally should go to the dentist all the time." My co-pay is only like $5, anyway.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

so glad you had a happy ending (sans that kind of happy ending).

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

From The Babee's Book: Medieval Manners for the Young:

"Cleanliness of teeth must be cared for, but to whiten them with powder does for girls. To rub the gum with salt or alum is injurious...If anything sticks to the teeth, you must get it out, not with a knife or with your nails after the manner of dogs and cats, but with a toothpick or quill or small bone taken from the tibia of cocks or hens. To wash the mouth in the morning with pure water is both mannerly and healthful; to do it often is foolish"

(I got this book from the library last night am I'm obsessed with it.)

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Attn Casuistry: I now own a clarinet that I can play at your show on Saturday!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

xpost - That wisdom comes to you courtesy of Erasmus.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

am = and

oops

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

amanda, you're going to kill me.

i had my eyebrows waxed this weekend.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

OMG no you di'int. How are they? Beautiful, I'm sure.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

not a huge change . . . just cleaned up, if you will.

http://static.flickr.com/43/102768435_ec978116b8.jpg

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Uhhhh...

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

i think you can see mah boogers. oh well.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

eyebrows are the first thing i notice about a woman when i first see their face.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Eh, we've all got them.

xpost Yeah, eyebrows too. Well, most of us.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

I was just gonna clean 'em up too! I love eyebrow shaping.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Your boogers are flashy and fabulous.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

I know you were!! It was a spur-of-the-moment i'm-getting-a-makeover-with-my-mom sort of thing. honestly, i think you would've hurt me a whole lot less. lady put GOBS of concealer on my eye area after & i kept thinking about my little pores getting clogged up & such. i was red-ish for a couple of days. only plucking from now on!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

The lipstick is kind of freaking me out, to be honest.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

it's a bold color!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Edgewater's Next Top Model.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Ha! That's almost as good as SoFo!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Jay, what huh? How is it freaky? It looks like a gloss, not particularly heavy -- granted, I don't know what Kelsey "usually" looks like, ie whether that's a great deviation from yr normal thing, Kels. But I like the whole look!

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:51 (twenty years ago)

He don't like no girly things like heels and lipstick.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

9:30 PM - 1:15 AM Sleep fitfully because the non-non-drowsy cough syrup I took for some reason made me jittery all night
1:15 My body tells me that it's about time to wake up, I get up, look at clock, say "Shut up body."
1:15 - 4:15 Sleep fitfully
4:15 Wake up to email my boss that I am sick and will be working from home today. Also, post on ILX for some reason
4:30 Set cell phone alarm and go back to sleep
6:15-11:00 Work from home on stupid slow-ass dial-up connnection
11:00-11:40 Take hot bath
11:40-1:30 Go back to sleep
1:30 Wake up, go back to working from home

I am sick. :( But I think Sarah is sicker. Except for getting up to take a bath, she has been asleep literally the entire day.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

I know. I don't know how he can STAND me. I mean, I must horrify Jay with my heel-wearing and my hair-flipping. He's probably just pretending to be my friend, don't you think?

XP: Uuuuugggh, Nick! Do you guys have groceries? Make sure you both eat something!

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, Laurel! It's a "gloss stick" I bought shopping w/ mom this weekend. It's far brighter than what I normally go for, but I kinda like it! Paired with this deep plum lip gloss, it's crazy (but in a nice, bold, makeuppy way). You sure know your make up!!!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, is it mean to say I think it looks garish?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

(Probably.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

I think that's up to Kelsey. But if you ever have anything to say about my make-up, you can keep it to yrself. ;)

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

I know. I don't know how he can STAND me.
He finds us both completely revolting, I'm sure. I think the flash makes it look brighter than it is. Also, yes I think that's a little mean. But that's me.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:02 (twenty years ago)

HAR HAR HAR

I must be forgiven for being so bold on account of my fever.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Hi, I'm right here.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

I like the look Kels! But I'm wearing magenta gloss today too.
(I guess I shouldn't worry too much about the work ethic thing, but it seems to be part of a larger blinking light, but it's a problem I'm just going to have to work out. )
I'm getting my brows threaded tonight. I highly recommend threading for anyone who hasn't tried it. As my friend Mona said "I'm so glad it's everywhere now and not just some old Auntie in the back of a shop in Mumbai".

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Oh gosh, hi, Jay! I didn't hear you come in.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Man it's so much easier being a guy. The last time I gave my eyebrows a second thought was when I was dared to shave one of them off.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

I think if I ever do anything to my eyebrows, I'm going to get them threaded. Or Amanda-ed.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Is threading where they rub a couple of crossed-up strings over your brows to rip the hairs out? If so, doesn't that hurt even worse? It seems like some variation on medieval torture!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

"Threading" gave me this image of women with their eyebrows in mini-cornrows.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

That's what I was imagining, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

I enjoy eyebrow maintenance. But I have a spare hair here and there, if my hair were thicker I'm sure I would care.

Plucking doesn't hurt if you do it right.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's the one where they twist cotton or silk thread around the hairs to extract them. It doesn't hurt as much as other hair removal techniques. *cough* Epilady *cough*

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

Actually to be perfectly clear w/r/t Jay's tastes, it's not that you can't think someone's make-up is "garish" or even that it's not really great to support the idea that women look lovely without artificial enhancement...it's just that your particular ideas of "garish" and "artificial" have such low thresholds that I'm caught a little by surprise. Maybe I'll get used to it...?

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

You better.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Ah, I thought so. Having never been one for facial hair removal (it's all I can do to shave more than once a week) I wasn't exactly sure.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

I have a reaction to what John said but I'm debating whether to send it to him directly or to post it here.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

You better.

OR ELSE WHAT???

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:21 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) I don't care either way. I'm sorry if I offended you, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:22 (twenty years ago)

In short, yes, I thought it was rude. It would have been different if I was asking for an opinion on my lipstick in the first place and it would have been different if you had just emailed me privately.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

I had thought about doing so. I guess I should've. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:25 (twenty years ago)

I would imagine that not too many people enjoy having someone else put them up for judgement.

That said, don't worry about it. I'm really not offended. Honestly.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:27 (twenty years ago)

I also thought it was like some weird makeover thing and not something you would've done on your own. But I did say what I said after you said that you liked it, so I should've known better.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

We can be done with this now.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Okay.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Well in any case, Kelsey, I also like the way the skin around yr eyes looks all pale and delicate and lilac-y. Did you buy the eyeshadow?

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Look what I found in the Babee's Book of Medieval Children's Etiquette!

"To comment on a woman's face paint is to be avoided, lest she find your own weak spot and try to annoy it."

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

WIZDOM FOR TEH AGES.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Did you buy the eyeshadow?

Those are her natural eyelids!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

I think. Actually, I'm going to take a cue from the Babee's Book and bow out of this conversation.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

What he said is true. I have naturally purple eyelids.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Note to self: idea for a Chinese office-supply store, to be called Hunan Resources

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

nice subject change, babee blow-hard!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

That's amazing. I remember looking at one of my high school friends one day, while she was talking, and noticing that her eyelids were a remarkable dusky pink-purple color, naturally. But you don't see it so pronounced on many people!

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I think it's really pretty!

Here's a good one -- one time I was at work and this guy was like "OMG WHAT happened to your ankle? Those bruises! What happened?" And I was like "That's just my leg. I have really thin skin and you can see my veins." And he kept going, "No, but it looks like you hurt yourself!"

I responded, "DOOD, those are my LEGS, they are purple and blue and there's nothing I can do about it! Let it go!" And he just kept apologizing. Jesus, man-- just shut up about it!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Speaking as a guy who has made similar blunders way too many times in the past, sometimes you start digging the hole for yourself and even though you know you should, you just can't stop.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

I never noticed it until college when one of my friends pointed it out. Some days it can get pretty pronounced & then I look like I've been on a bender.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

(usually it happens when you like the girl, of course)

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:47 (twenty years ago)

FUN FACT TIME: I found out a fun fact the other day when I was eating a graham cracker. That "graham" refers to Sylvester Graham, a turn-of-the-century health nut who developed a particular kind of wheat flour that was purportedly more healthful and then named it after himself. You may have already known that. I didn't.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Scratch that -- we're talkin' early 1800s here. Syvester Graham, I hardly knew ye.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

sorry if i ruined people's lives by having a bitch fest toward john. including john's young life.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:10 (twenty years ago)

No one's life was ruined! Carry on.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Amanda, even funnier: the inventory of the graham cracker meant it to be so bland and unenticing so that it wouldn't deliver too much sensuous enjoyment, because any kind of physical pleasure might inflame the libido.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

hahaha god forbid our libidos become "inflamed."

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

That said, I like graham crackers.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

I'd rather remain "hysterical" than have an inflamed libido.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

Inflamed libidos are the stuff of life.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:24 (twenty years ago)

i was not serious.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:25 (twenty years ago)

You're hysterical.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Better hysteria than opium addiction!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

http://yalepress.yale.edu/YupBooks/images/full/0300084587.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Oops.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Note to self: idea for a Chinese office-supply store, to be called Hunan Resources

Idea for kitchsy, "rough around the edges" tourist restaurant: sign over the toilet that says "Returns."

xpost -- way to go, john.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

I'll be in New Orleans tomorrow!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Lucky duck! For fun with Maddie? With the band?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

GET OFF THE FAG-WAGON, CHICAGO-WEENIES

― OH SNAP, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Haha.

Maddie's coming down. The band is coming down. We're going to see how things are, play some gigs, and celebrate Mardi Gras.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

GET OFF THE FAG-WAGON, CHICAGO-WEENIES

I'll thank you not to speak of my Toyota that way!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

Chicago-related rofflage from another thread:

I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, MR "T SHIRTS ARE FINE; BY THE WAY I'M MOVING TO MONTANA"
Ahem. XP.

-- Laurel (sininspac...), February 22nd, 2006 5:16 PM. (Laurel) (later) (link)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:20 (twenty years ago)

Yes, okay, I'm sorry -- I'm a little clothes obsessed. It's not so much that I'm obsessed as that I need to know where the baseline is going to be so I can decide how far in- or outside of it I want to fall. All staying within my usual style, of course, which isn't negotiable -- I'm not saying I make myself over for every occasion. Just that...it's a means of expression!

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:30 (twenty years ago)

You don't need to defend yourself! I thought it was funny as a zing toward Evan!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:32 (twenty years ago)

No, I am feeling guilty about the fashion thing. I DO overthink it, I have a bad feeling that a lot of the people I respect would be horrified if they knew how MUCH I overthink it, but it's just a habit once you learn the rules. I mean, it's not that much work anymore. But when I'm going into a new kind of situation I have to try to suss out the rules for it so I can plan accordingly.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Don't feel bad Laurel! I do that too. I also remember what I wore to (virtually) every memorable social engagement since 7th grade. That includes dates, first meetings, etc.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

JOEKS, Laurel!

My sis is the same way. I'm used to it.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, guys. Could someone cue Camron's theme song from Ferris Bueller?

I am basically knocking on Hell's door, because I love CINNAMON graham crackers.

As for eyebrows, I always thought mine were getting out of control, but according to the Benefit makeup counter, they were too light. So I manage them and darken them, but don't pluck them. Fascinating stuff!

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Thursday, 23 February 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

I pluck my eyebrows sometimes.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

I am a FIRM believer in brow waxing. This is because there are some things best left to professionals, and also because I'm lazy and hate grooming myself. If I had the $$$ I'd get my legs waxed, too, because god knows I don't shave them as often as societal standards would dictate. Lately I've even wanted to shave my legs and haven't had time!

That said, I can't afford to get my brows waxed as often as I might like so I maintenance pluck until I have something I need to semi-pulled together for.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

I have my former coworker Scarlett to thank for teaching me to pluck mis cejas.

Some cejas for you:

http://www.enbolivia.net/comunifen/belleza/maquillaje/curso/img/cejas1.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I love the BBC. My downstairs neighbor just gave me a lot more of the kinds of documentaries that you would never, ever see on American television, like "The Century of the Self," about the evolution of mankind's self-image since the dawn of psychotherapy (Freud is a heavy hitter in this doc, obviously), or "A Brief History of Disbelief," about the complicated and very non-linear history of the increasingly accepted idea that there is no God. And also some old David Attenborough nature docs, which kick the shit out of anything on the Discovery Channel, hands down. All of them are scholarly, scientific, brainy, and totally fascinating. With an endless supply of BBC docs, I don't think I'd ever watch American television again. (Well, ok, there IS a new season of The Sopranos starting soon.)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

Sopranos sucks

HBO sucks

eye brows suck.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

Quote of the day:

"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider God fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the Gods on his side."

-Aristotle
348-322 BCE

A more perplexing and meatier one:

"Why should I fear death?
If I am, then death is not.
If death is, I am not.
Why should I fear that which cannot exist when I do?"

-Epicurus
341-271 BCE

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

Man, Greeks were awesome.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.

-Seneca
4-65 AD

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

This atheism series really rocks. There's three hours of the original series, then three more hours of what you might call "outtakes," extended interviews with historians, philophers, and... um... Gore Vidal. If I had a digital video projector, I'd host viewing parties.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

"long way to mardi gras."
-captain america
easy rider

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

Hey K., do you have HBO?

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 23 February 2006 06:16 (nineteen years ago)

I do.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 06:22 (nineteen years ago)

I don't usually. I don't even have a television. But Jessa's in New York, so I do this week.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

The gals had their Top Model nights earlier this year. We fellas should have our Sopranos night in March.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 23 February 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

And maybe we can all come together to watch the next season of "Project Runway."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

But yes! I would LOVE to have Sopranos night. I'm all caught up, I think. Johnny Sachs got pinched, Steve Buscemi got shot by Tony, and Tony and Carmella have arranged a very cold, business-like truce. Oh, and Chrissy is an asshole.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

Gib? Any chance this would work? I'll bring you some good wine or a stripper or something.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 23 February 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

Blah, I don't like mafioso narratives. Too many men, too many plots I can't keep track of. Actually, GoodFellas was pretty good. But The Godfather? Fuhgeddaboudit.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

Too many men, too many plots I can't keep track of.

But heaps upon heaps of pathos.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

Mebbe. I'll have to check w/the roommates (we may be losing HBO in a few months -- we had a promo deal that is expiring soonish).

...I missed the last season finale, but THANKS TO KENAN maybe I don't need to watch it at all.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Hey was Karen Armstrong part of those BBC documentaries? She's probably the only writer I've ever read for self-help purposes.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm with John.

I love project runway.

and basketball.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

Steve Buscemi is on the Sopranos? I confess that I know absolutely nothing about that show.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Well, he was. But he killed too many people. "A problem with rage."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

...I missed the last season finale, but THANKS TO KENAN maybe I don't need to watch it at all.

Come on. That show is two years old.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

i've never seen the sopranos. am i missing anything?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised the whole psychological side of The Sorpranos doesn't work for you, Jaymc - not the therapy, but just that every cause and effect on the show is character-based and not action-based.

Buscemi was on for a season. Ben Kingsley is in the upcoming season.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

that same steve buscemi spoiler was in his interview in the new yorker, which i read right after having seen the finale, luckily.

why is the sopranos a guy thing? hmmph.

grr, i was remembering last night that i had a karen armstrong book that i lent out to a neighbor before i moved.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but if he really killed a lot of people, he should be punished more severely than just getting kicked off The Sopranos.

(Haha, Eazy, I've never seen The Sopranos. It's on HBO.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

I liked his turn on the Sopranos. Not as memorable, or detestable, as Ralphie, but good.

xp Ben Kingsley? :D

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

Donnie Brasco, the movie in which Al Pacino deconstructs 'Fuhgeddaboudit' and brought the phrase back into vogue, is a good mob movie for people who don't like mob movies.

The Sopranos is a great mob movie for people who don't like mob movies.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

not the therapy, but just that every cause and effect on the show is character-based and not action-based.

Indeed. And Tony's dream episodes are always *genius*. I rewatched the one from last season yesterday. So unsettling. Tony in a therapy session with his dead ex girlfriend Anabelle Sciorra, having a big laugh about old times: "And then you choked the shit out of me! Hahahaha!" Shudder.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, I'll stop.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

everybody kills a lot of people on the sopranos (well, most)! it just all depends on the group politics if it's acceptable or not.

you'd probably like the sopranos (i wasn't a fan of the godfather either). i wasn't sure if i would when i first started watching it and ended up incredibly addicted to the DVDs for a while. there's sooo much going on, character-wise.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

What was I ON yesterday that turned me into a complete neurotic? Sorry, kids. Promise to make sense today. Okay, promise to not freak out, at least.

My problem (one of them) is that I'm super anxious about moving & things that have to happen very quickly, but instead of being able to do anything about them, I'm stuck at the office and my hands are basically tied. (Original, eh?) So I'm probably displacing. Or whatever. Also, I have seen a few eps of Sopranos under duress but that is it.

Amanda, did you read the Karen Armstrong book in that myth series? I need to re-read it but I've loaned it out now. What did you think?

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

The thing I was aware of re-watching the most recent season (no spoilers here - and got it on DVD, J., if you want to see it) is how every episode had parallels with the Iraq war (the line about being greeted as liberators in Brooklyn and Queens, etc.).

Someone on Slate pointed out that Paulie's storylines have a farcical parallel to Tony's (his relationship with his mother, the beefs he gets into, etc.) - the thing Jonathan Rosenbaum calls rhyming - and re-watching the last season, it's true!

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - I've only read her two books about being a nun (Through the Narrow Gate and The Spiral Staircase) and part of A History of God, before I became totally overwhelmed by it. I would like to read the Myth book though - maybe I'll buy it.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

It's very readable, I don't think you'll have any trouble! And I'll look up A History of God.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Paulie.

I've missed those guys.

I watched the Sopranos the best way: all of the seasons, save the last one, on DVD, bingeing. So satisfying.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I loved Donnie Brasco. And the first Godfather. Never finished watching the second.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Laurel - It's really really good. I just got sort of, I dunno, overwhelmed is the only word I can think of to describe it. Her thoughts about religion in general pretty strongly echo my own, at least from what I read at the end of the follow-up nun memoir. There were moments when I wish she had been more self-aware about her own situation and how it was affecting her, but if you know anyone with epilepsy, you know how monumentally confusing it is to figure out what's going on and what's causing it. I found it fascinating how she slowly she became aware that she had a neurological disorder and was not just having a bad reaction to the church.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

I like the sopranos, what little i've seen of it.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

My stepmom looooves the Sopranos. She hates gangster movies, but says it appeals to her in the same way that Jane Austen does. I like it too, but I haven't seen anything past the second season.

I'd love to stay and talk about gangster movies, but I've got a plane to catch, peace!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

The Sopranos is what got my mom & brother dropping f-bombs at one another.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Fly safely, Giordano!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

I, too, have a plane to catch!

LOOK OUT NYC

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Fly safely, Buttercup!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I have to admit that I am actively excited about spring flowers this year. Mmmmm. Hyacinths! I looooooove the smell of hyacinths. And sweet little lilies of the valley. The best was when we lived in NC and there was a house with a gardenia bush on the corner and -- I admit it -- I occasionally swiped a flower on my way to or home from work.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

There were tons of them - the whole corner smelled like jasmine and gardenia. They could spare one or two.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

LOOK OUT NYC

Oh dear.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

On biz.

Back the following weekend (probably) on LEISURE.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

a history of god was the book i had, which had been enthusiastically recommended to me. i read bits and pieces, but i have raaather variable concentration, so i lent it out, thinking maybe i'd be able to focus better when i got it back. oops. maybe i'll get it from the library one of these days. it really did seem interesting.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

I tried to read her biography of Muhammed, but there was SO MUCH ancient history that I had no idea what she was talking about. I mean, I have never felt so lost. Those are the times when I wish I had a teacher to explain that stuff to me. I just don't have the background to know what happened in the Fertile Crescent right after the dawn of man. My brain is clogged with Gregory Abbott songs and shit like that.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

This one looks good too.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Except apparently it's out of print. Oh well. Hullo, library. I'm taking my class to the library on Saturday - it's gonna be so much fun.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

Right ON! You win the contest for suggesting my next read, Amanda. You win...my undying devotion. Don't you feel special?

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

I do!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

That book seems especially interesting when you remember that she has never married and was in a very strict convent throughout her youth. I think she considers herself asexual, but not like it's a huge part of her identity. If you look at her theories re: women and Christianity through the prism of her personal experience, it becomes like this giant, extraordinarily elaborate exorcism of personal demons by means of academic inquiry. Pardon my alliteration.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

I got a Zappos.com gift certificate for my birthday! What should I get?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Shoes!!

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Shoe strings.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

....man. Does everyone have work to do or something?

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

I just got back from the HW Library. Man, that atrium is soooooo cool.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

The "winter garden" I mean. Whatever the hell it's called, on the 9th floor.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Dan -- get these! Pros: good worksmanship, extra manly Cons: not cheap.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

But they'll last 30 years!Year for year, that's not a bad deal. Also, they will help you wrangle steer.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Goddamn! I could sure kick the shit out of my housemate with those if he starts lipping off!

They don't come in black?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

No, but they are available in Manly Dark Brown.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

I love the design of Frye Boots. But I'm about to shell out $100 for white nursing Dansko clogs, so hey. (I checked around and everyone said that they're good).
I read "A History of the Arab Peoples" in college and felt the same way that you did about the Muhammed book, Manda.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

I have to get this shoe now! (except that I hate elastic panels in shoes)
http://www.dansko.com/Product_Detail.aspx?StyleName=Jocelyn&ID1=7176&ID2=0000&VID=320

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

I quite like my white Dansko clogs, Joss. They're the best thing for my plantar fascitis cos yr arches are more or less immobilized. Also, I've been coveting a pair of Frye women's boots for a year now but I suspect they wouldn't fit over my calves, anyway.

Dan, my mom bought my dad a pair of Frye motorcycle boots when they were first married, and he was still wearing them when I was in high school. I'm sure they'd been resoled a few times but that's nothing!

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Honestly, I don't know if I'm that much of a boot person. For above-the-ankle footwear I tend to stick to Sorels, Vasques, and Dr. Marten-esque workboot things, depending on what I'm doing.

Also, those are 2x what my gift certificate is worth. But seriously, thanks for suggestions! I just wanted something to help me avoid work for a lil' while.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

I am a fan of these & I suspect nurses wear them . . .

http://www.sheridangardens.com/thegiftshoppe_anywears.htm

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I hope my new shoes aren't too tight and that they just need to be broken in. If you press a vein on the top of my left foot, another vein between my toes throbs for a second.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

um, stop pressing it?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

what material are your shoes made of, j?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Har har, Dr. Kelsey. I'm assuming they are leather?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

You didn't check that before you bought them? If so, they should stretch. But plastic/pleather doesn't stretch, it rips/breaks/cracks.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Although I have had some plastic shoes that lasted MUCH longer than leather ones on account of shoddy construction on the leather ones.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I'm assuming they are leather just because, ummm, most shoes are leather, right?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Does it say on the box?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

It should say on the inside of the shoe "leather upper" or "man-made materials".

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Also I didn't know if you were all vegetarian about your shoes or whatever - some people are.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

Kelsey, I like the part where it warns you not to autoclave your anywear clogs. Because that's a real possibility, at my house, seeing as how we have our very own autocl--err....

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

It doesn't say inside the shoe. But man, it seems like leather to me. And I think they've already stretched.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Your shoe should say somewhere on the shoe what it's made of, I think. Maybe on the sole? I guess it doesn't matter. I just don't like to pay too much for plastic/pleather shoes so I always check.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Is Sprint Blast Luxe Dappled Chocolate a codeword for anything?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Egg salad sandwich?

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Okay.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Jay, you can always stretch leather shoes further, if you need to. Would you die a little inside if you had to buy a pair of shoe trees, like proper ones with the foot-shaped fronts? Because those usually have little interchangeable buttons you can snap in, to create more room at common pressure points.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Can we get some context, J?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know what shoe trees are. I already wear orthotics in my shoes.

Context, Dan, is that that's what it says inside my shoes. It also says Performance Footwear and Made in China, but I think I understand those parts. And to be honest, I'm pretty sure Dappled Chocolate refers to the color.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

Hm. I'm going to chalk it up to language barriers and move on.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

depending on where you bought the shoes, they might be able to stretch them for you.

department stores especially do this...when i worked at nordstrom i knew some shoe dept people and i'd bring various uncomfortable shoes in to be adjusted. they can do magic things to uncomfortable shoes.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Shoe trees:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/LimitedLiabilityGirl/ShoeTrees.jpg

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

Huh.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just going to say it: I love Laurel. She is a wise woman of the world. Wise, kind & sassy.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Wise, kind & sassy.

i'm co-opting this for my myspace headline.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Or just take them to any good shoe repair place and say you need the shoe stretched in that particular area because of foot pain -- they should be able to help you.

XP to Kels: you love me? REALLY?? Oh how exciting! All this stupid stuff taking up space in my head IS good for something!

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

You can't. It's Laurel's. I gave it to her.

xpost

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

Aw dang, she told you.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

I am also really gratified, in a small way, to have been called "kind". Because I'm quite often not, you know. But I've been trying to make a habit of kindness, to reform in certain ways, and it does make me happier, overall.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cdgenealogy.net/337515_1.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

GET OFF THE FAG-WAGON, CHICAGO-WEENIES
-- OH SNAP (IL...), February 22nd, 2006 3:36 PM. (later) (link)

Btw, this was me. I'm bored.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

You can't. It's Laurel's. I gave it to her.

fine. look for something snarky about lipstick instead.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

I do like "fag wagon."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

of mass destrution.

― Eazy (Eazy), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

This turkey is pretty awesome:

http://www.nwtf.org/images/ocellated.jpg

It is a rare species that only lives in Central America.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

It is a rare species that only lives in Central America.

have you ever had it? ironically, it tastes like chicken.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

One of the last times I was driving down through Wisconsin on my way back to Chi, I came across like 20 turkeys in the road. They wouldn't move when I honked, so I just drove really slowly through them. I don't think I hit any, but those fuckers just would not get out of the way until the last possible moment.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I just ate a cupcake that was almost as big as my head.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

I HATE SOME PEOPLE I REALLY DO ESPECIALLY PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE ONES WHO PURPOSEFULLY MAKE THINGS MORE DIFFICULT.

Urrrgh, work stress. Some of these people, I tell ya. And to think we PAY them for the privilege.

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

What kind of cupcake was it??

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

Yellow cake with not-too-sweet vanilla frosting. It was really good.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

otto was that comment intended to be as harsh as it came off?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

otto was that comment intended to be as harsh as it came off?

no, no malice behind it. from now on i'm using an asterisk when i'm being sarcastic. all you assfaces got that?*

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

I think it was meant as a declarative, not an imperative. It's just missing the pronoun.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Stupid internet sarcasm detector. I have friends that swear up and down that the "default" way to denote sarcasm is wrapping the comment in percent symbols, but that is just stupid. Sarcasm is too good for the internet.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

You mean "snarcasm."

Please tell me I just made that up. I'm sure I didn't. But if I did...oh boy!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

i'm too good for the internet.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

that almost backfired when the goddamn page wouldn't re-load after submitting the "im too good..." comment.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda: check here

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

just checking!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think the official rule is not about percent signs -- it's that if it's not obvious that you're joking, don't type it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

Back in the hazy early days of Sinister there was a huge amount of discussion (read: completely unserious faffing around) devoted to the "sarcasm snake", displayed as ~, which was to precede? folllow? I can't remember -- any instance of sarcasm. Because of that dry British wit, you know. ~Us Yanks just couldn't keep up.~

― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

it's that if it's not obvious that you're joking, don't type it.

what's obvious to one person isn't always obvious to another.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

well, obviously.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Looks like lots of other people got to that one first, not surprisingly. "Car0line K3ttlewe1l" seems to think she's the first one who has ever used this word ever. So be it. Congrats.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

maybe you can coin "sparkscasm" for when one drinks too much alcohol-laden energy drink and start shooting ones mouth off.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

I think you just did!

What about: gwargasm (n): 1) dressing up in costume to perform a particularly outlandish show "I liked the band, but they would be a lot better without all of that gwargasm."

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

and 2) (n) The moment of extreme excitement the fan of a be-costumed band feels (ie, a "juggalo") upon seeing their favorite band perform.
"Dude, I had a total gwargasm when I saw ICP in Muncie."

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

make that 1) gwarcasm 2) gwargasm

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

I think a friend of mine in high school had gwargasms. That is, he LOVED Gwar & he probably got off on how much he liked them.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

GWAR regularly have orgasms on stage, or so I'm told.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

And other things that could collectively be referred to as "evacuations."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

The "GG" in GG Allin is actually a reference to this ancient proto-Indo-European word "gwargasm" and is the REAL origin of Gwar's name. We are talking powerful ancient history here, people. These are important discussions in an important time.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

That odor you smell? That's the odor of IMPORTANCE.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm breathin' it right in, sugar.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I am here.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 23 February 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Hurrah! What are your plans for the weekend?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I have this show.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 23 February 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I know! I bought a clarinet for the occasion.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 23 February 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

This weekend is oddly packed already! Friday night I'm going to see K3nn3th Goldsm!th read at L!nks Hall, and then Saturday afternoon there's some other poetry thing I might go to if I have time, and then frantically prep for the show, and then do the show, and then Sunday... Well, we were thinking of a road trip to Milwaukee on Sunday. But that might get postponed. Madness.

xpost, oh sweet! Then we should perhaps get together. Maybe tomorrow afternoon? Or... maybe tomorrow afternoon?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 23 February 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

You have one of those "jobs", right?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 23 February 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

I am dying from lack of coffee while B. just keeps sweeping his floors. Argh!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 23 February 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I have one of those jobs.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

Foolish, foolish boy. But yes, very late Friday or any point on Saturday. Let me know what your schedule is. "Load in" is at 6, although I'm sure you wouldn't have to be there then, although we could hang out etc.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

Listen. Friends. One of my housemates. Massage-therapy school. Not board-certified, so can't get paid. (Donations, yes.) One hour, face down, Blonde Redhead on the jambox, and you will feel so so relaxed.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

You sound. So. Calm.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

SIGN ME THE FUCK UP.

ps - NYC, looking good.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

YES SIGN ME THE FUCK UP, TOO!!!! I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MUCH I NEED THIS.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

(Chris -- I think maybe coming early for load-in would work for me. Let's plan on that.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone who sits in a chair for a living needs a massage more than they even know. Which is everyone.

Why Blonde Redhead? I would have guessed, you know, Harold Budd or some shit.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I mean, what album?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:02 (nineteen years ago)

I picked Blonde Redhead because it was what the last gal who got massaged picked and it was in the jambox already. But you can listen to whatever you can find in our apartment, or bring your own Budd. I liked Blonde Redhead because it was kind of one long song in a way, without any major distracting shifts, and also because I didn't know it at all.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:06 (nineteen years ago)

Gib, send me an e-mail, and I will send you more info.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

Do you have Sabbath Bloody Sabbath?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

No, and the Van Morrisson on deck is only from the 80s and 90s.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:15 (nineteen years ago)

I do have the soundtrack to Judgement Night, though.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:16 (nineteen years ago)

And 'Fur' by Jane Wiedlin.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:19 (nineteen years ago)

No, and the Van Morrisson on deck is only from the 80s and 90s.

Yeesh.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:21 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I'll be bringing my own Van, then.

Hey! I'm in New York!

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

Eazy, I too would like to help your roommate amass the clinical hours she needs to graduate from massage school. Please.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

anyone else hung over today? why did i make the onion ring mistake again last night? last night i had too many cigarettes, too many cheap beers, and too many onion rings all of which are combining to make me wish i'd never been born.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like... OW. My entire body is cold and cringing.
I'm going to make for a VERY grouchy old person, let me tell you.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I feel like an idiot. I thought Casu's thing was the same as Eazy's thing - tonight (Friday).

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

I think that was the plan at first, but tonight's show was all booked up. Who wants to come to South Union Arts with me two nights in a row?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I went to see Autumn Defense at Schubas last night, b/c Renee had an extra ticket she couldn't get rid of. I was actually pleasantly surprised -- I thought, given the Wilco connection, that it'd be all rootsy and shit, but some of the songs were kind of elegant chamber-pop (like with piano and trumpet). I only had two beers, though, since I was already feeling pretty tired. Also I learned that Schubas has banned smoking in the music room! Which, as far as I know, wasn't necessary but is probably a good idea.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

I am sad that I'm missing out on E's thing tonight, but if there is hanging out happening after, let me know, especially if Links Hall is anywhere in the neighborhood.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah Sarah, how are you and Nick doing?? His description of your sick day sounded perfectly awful except that you were at least home together and could hypothetically stagger to the store together with your arms slung around each other's shoulders.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm missing out on C.'s thing tomorrow night - but it's because I have to review a play, so it's not an west-coast/midwest beef.

Links Hall is a cool place - a little loft dance studio type room. SUA is way down south, but Jaymc and I and others will be heading north afterwards, so there could be some late-night comisseration.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Things might just be over with Nick. When I'm sick, I need to be taken care of damnit! When he's sick too... well, that just doesn't work for me. Humph!

But seriously, it was nice being home together that one day, even if he was in the other room working most of it and I was sleeping- I knew he was around, which was comforting. We sort of take turns being care providers, depending on who has more energy. So, yesterday after work I was feeling empowered and walked from my work to Osco, then took a bus, then went to Edmar's, then walked home. Later, he went out on a mission to return our movies to the videostore.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Eric, I'm not sure if I'm going to make it to your thing tonight or not . . . . I have dinner plans that may extend themselves. What time does it start, though? Maybe I can convince my companion. Also: i heart massages.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

gwargasm

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

The night starts 8-ish - I'm guessing they'll show my movie sometime between 8:30-9:30. Stop by if you can!

xpost- Bjorn Bjorgasm

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yes, it's certainly not as if E. and I are avoiding each other because of unspeakable incidents in our torrid pasts. No no no.

If parties (or drinking, or whatever) come towards me, even better.

(J. if you responded to my last e-mail I once again didn't get it and there is evil voodoo going on.)

In other news: The NUMBER ONE rule about tea kettles is that the handle shouldn't get all hot when you're heating up the water! That's just bad design. I am very finicky about tea kettles.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

The NUMBER ONE rule about tea kettles is that the handle shouldn't get all hot when you're heating up the water! That's just bad design.

You are right, you are absolutely right. But even though the handle of my kettle is wood, it still heats up eventually...do you find that the coolness demand can be met mostly only by modern versions, or on antiques as well? It seems like it'd be easier with modern materials etc, but mine belonged to one of the grandmothers. Whaddya gonna do?

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I guess you could buy an Orka mitt, cut it up, and wrap it around the tea kettle handle.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

This one I am using is a modern one. I think they have gotten WORSE about it, actually.

A tea kettle cozy is a fine idea, although it also is "just one more thing".

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

I usually just pull my sweater sleeve over my hand for the pouring part. :) Also, with most older kettles there's the problem of steam from the spout rising up and over yr hand when you tip the kettle forward too far. I know there are "retro" ones with whistle-lids over the spout that are supposed to prevent steam incidents, but I just don't like that design. The looks of it, I mean. And I HATE the whistle -- making a cuppa is suppose to be RELAXING, not put me at the beck and call of a resounding ALARUM.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

I half agree, though it's pretty helpful for me since I almost always forget I put the kettle on.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

This is what you get for drinking tea

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Well, at home I boil water in a pot, and things are quiet enough that I can hear when it is "near boil", which is all you want it to be anyways.

And I boil it in a pot because I am very picky about my tea kettles. They need to look just right. But I'm not sure what "just right" looks like. I am not so into these gangly modern ones with the big arching handles.

xpost I made coffee with this water, I'll have you know.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I was only kidding. On the rare occasion that I drink hot brewed beverages, I prefer tea.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

xpost- Bjorn Bjorgasm

http://www.playtennisspain.com/tiebreak/images/borgknees.gif

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Chris, I was just about to write you back. Easy tiger.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Rrrowr. I am just paranoid about e-mail issues, since you are not the only one who has claimed to send me an e-mail recently and yet -- nothing has arrived.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Eazy, I would love a massage. Quick question, though. Would this involve wearing a birthday suit?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

For last night's massage I kept my pants on (though unbuttoned and riding a little low) - so modesty is respected.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

not that you asked, but i would go in a birthday suit.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Happy birthday!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Steam burns are not fun.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

I could really go for a massage right this second. I'm achey breaky.

There was a salon I used to go to in VA to get massages, because my boss would always give me big gift certificates there. They were great.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Hey guys, yesterday was my birthday, and tonight I'm going out with friends. If anyone is interested in drinking with a bunch of Yoopers, we're going to be at the Goldbar around 9-9:30ish I'd say. If it sucks there, there's plenty else to do in that area. Some of you have my cell #, but if anyone else wants it let me know.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Happy birthday Dan!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

Big! School!

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

What's the Goldbar?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Um, Kenan?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Is this like the time you claimed to have never met Leaf in your entire life?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

yesterday was my birthday

come to the ice factory for the m.o.t.o. show and i'll buy you a beverage or two. it's early, like 7:30, and they aren't headlining (the effegies are, i won't be sticking around for that) so you can still get out of there early-ish.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

(Oh wait, I'm an idiot.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

(I was thinking Gold Star.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

Has Kenan met Leaf?

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. At Jeff & Jenny's wedding, for one.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

I've decided I officially hate shoes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, you know what would be awesome? Artificial legs.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

They....would -- WHAT??

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

um...i have nothing to say to that!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, is it Gold Star? I've never been to the place before, and I've only talked about it on the phone... It's in WP, supposedly. I probably got the name wrong.

I'm going to dinner beforehand, so I don't think I'll be able to make the Ice Factory, but thanks for the offer!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Gold Star. Yes.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, well that clears that up. I am still quite the n00b.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, though, do you know how awesome artifical legs would be? You'd never have to deal with leg or foot pain again, wouldn't have to worry about shoes fitting, etc. It'd be the best. The only thing I'd miss is maybe intertwining your feet with someone else's in bed.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

What about the pain of removing your legs?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

ouch.

anyway, then you wouldn't be able to get foot massages!

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

What about walking at a brisk pace?

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I can drop by Gold Star at 9-ish. I live virtually on top of it.

John, I think you are drawing conclusions from too limited a pool of examples.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

This is true. Yeah, foot massages are nice. Not that I've gotten one in five years. But aren't they also nice because they're relieving tension and soreness that you wouldn't have to deal with if you didn't have real feet?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

John, I think you are drawing conclusions from too limited a pool of examples.

What is this in reference to?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

I couldn't dance -- my fling would have no flung. :(

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think working on one's posture might be the first avenue to try before amputation.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

Oh fuck, dancing.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

What is this in reference to?

Your plan to cut off your feet. You got it the first time.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

Look guys, I'm not saying I want to go schedule an amputation right away, I'm just saying if I ever found myself in the position of missing my lower limbs, it'd wouldn't be all that bad, and it might actually turn out to be a pretty sweet deal.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Remember this?: http://www.cutoffmyfeet.com/

It's even better now, I think. "For all your health needs."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

john, i hope you're not being serious. i think you'd find it to be a not very sweet deal at all.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Cut to: EXT. FREEWAY. NIGHT. Upside-down car with steam rising into the night. Close-up of JAYMC. He is smiling.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

how long will you guys be at the gold star?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Sure, it'd be a bitch sometimes, but there are distinct advantages. That's all.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get distracted by leg and foot pain, so I have a hard time empathizing. Maybe you need some Rockports.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Also: I don't think most health plans would cover this kind of elective procedure.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

I am a network of pain.

Dude, Kenan, did you read what I said?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

how long will you guys be at the gold star?

I haven't a clue. I imagine we'll be there long enough to determine if it's worth sticking around, and if it isn't we'll be on our way down the street to a new place, maybe Rainb0 or something, who knows? I don't know a lot of bars in that area, and I just wanna get my drink on.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, Kenan, did you read what I said?

I guess not.. dude.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know a lot of bars in that area, and I just wanna get my drink on.

Fortunately for you, you can't walk ten feet without finding a new one.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

I should bring slippers to work.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

My love affair with you was so short-lived:

http://www.schuhstore.co.uk/images/product/1901976030_lg.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

You need a cobbler, not a hobbler.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Or a better podiatrist. I'm not conviced those orthotics do a damn lick of good.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Life is hard.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bettendorflibrary.com/img/cart.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

(wrong tag. pfft.)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Sofa and shoes were going to change my life. Now the sofa is missing parts, and I mistakenly told the woman from IKEA on the phone this morning that I had already received a return call (even though I hadn't, wtf is my problem?!) and now I'll probably have to wait another few days before talking to them again, and then both pairs of shoes are causing me major discomfort, which just makes me feel helpless at the prospect of ever finding shoes that will fit me again, because I feel like the two pairs of shoes I've worn this century have been total flukes and, like, buying a good pair of shoes is like striking gold or something: I have no idea how it's done. Watch, now I'll sign up for yoga, and it will fuck me up somehow.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, nude massages?! SIGN ME UP DOUBLE.

Hi Laurel. I'm New York. NEAT>

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Who said nude?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

What's the deal with returning shoes? Can it be done?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, Evan. I'm at work! In New York!! I will be spending this weekend packing to move house. Hypothetically. I might drink a little, too. If you have free time when you are here on LEISURE, you should call a Noise FAP.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

I need a drink.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

OMG should I go outside and have a cigarette? I could! I haven't smoked at work since I'd go outside with Nate and Susan at my last job!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Jay, shoe return, once they've been worn, depends on the retailer. Call and check and don't skimp on the sob story, is what I say. Also, point out that you have specific problems you need addressed, foot-wise. Smart companies know that if they can find and sell you a shoe that solves your particular issues, you'll keep coming back. But it depends on whether you got them at, like a discount place or a store whose reputation/emphasis is more about foot care & health.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

It was a discount place. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, I don't understand: there are stores that sell shoes that care about foot care and health?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

This act is never really charming, is it?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

John's dreamboat:
http://www.punkasspunk.com/videolog/20050226/The_Saddest_Music_In_The_World_(2003)_4.jpg

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well, like a licensed Rockport retailer, or Bjorn or Ecco or the European-style walking shoe brands. That stuff.

In any case those shoes ought to stretch A LOT cos they're suede & mesh. I thought you were talking about, like, stiff leather dress shoes. Have you tried putting padding or moleskin or something over the sore spot(s)?

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

(xp) Haha. Mmm beer.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

I thought about padding of some sort, although the problem with my left foot I think has to do with the shoe just being too tight. I actually didn't wear my orthotics today to see if that makes a difference. In general, though, both pairs of shoes just feel not quite right. Too tight in some places, too loose in others. My legs hurt from standing at a show for like an hour last night. And the left ankle that always gives me pain is worse than usual now. The only thing I know about moleskin is that it is used in little notebooks that people I know have.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I like my orthotics. They definitely make my feet hurt less after a long day of walking. I've been wearing them since I was a teenager.

Also, I like my legs and my feet, even though my legs are misshapen and my feet are huge. I love foot rubs, playing footsie, dancing, walking, more dancing... Also, real legs on real legs contact can't be beat.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm also at work in New York! Tonight I will be drinking and eating. Tomorrow I don't know. Then I go home.

What if someone threw a NOISE FAP and no one came? Cuz that's what would happen.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

I've been wearing them since I was a teenager.

Really? I don't feel like such a freakshow now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

You know what? You guys don't need to humor me. I've decided that.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Really? I don't feel like such a freakshow now.
Hey! What are you implying?!

For now on, I won't humor you. I'll only take you really really seriously.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

John - I wear orthotics, too, for my knees.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I had orthotics.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, actually maybe I don't mean "don't humor me." I mean you don't need to take me seriously. I mean I am just having another one of my patented Chicago thread whinefests, so you don't need to address it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

I have a question about pants.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Although they [xpost- the orthotics] don't really work. Also, I commiserate with your [xpost - your = john's] shoe issues. I have shoes that are years old that I won't wear for a couple weeks and when I wear them again, I'll get blisters. I don't understand it. And my knees hurt all the time now, sometimes very badly. And my hips are getting all wacked out and the last doctor I went to gave me Vioxx! Which I won't take because I think it kills you.

So, there. Fellowship in hip-down joint misery.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

I would like to hear Jeff's pants question.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Word.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Is Vioxx a pain killer?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

One leg at a time

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

I have a fear that I'm going to end up with orthotics, because my feet have been really bad lately. Like, hobbling across the room every morning, grabbing onto the dresser bad. And a little insert could make it all go away...but they won't fit in any of the shoes I love so!

Oh yes, pants!

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Oh but hey, yoga helps a lot. I'd probably have to have that stupid knee surgery already were it not for yoga. Yoga Circle in River North is my new favorite place - have you picked a place to sign up for classes yet? If not, consider Yoga Circle! Jesse and I take classes together. The teacher thinks we're married. Ha1

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

And a little insert could make it all go away

No, see, this is where you're wrong. It's a sham.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Vioxx is an arthritis drug. I think it's an anti-inflamatory. Merck, the manufacturer, was hit with a lawsuit about it because it might have caused heart disease. Or maybe liver disease. Something important.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

The idea of you and Jesse being married is hilarious to me. I was going to sign up for yoga classes at that place on Bryn Mawr, but I will investigate Yoga Circle first.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

What is the best cut for jeans?
How come 2 inches in the waist size can be such a large difference from way to tight, to looser than I would like?

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's very pose-focused. It's a great beginner class because they use a lot of props at first and they really teach you how to hold the poses correctly. There are two cycles of beginner classes at four classes each. Jesse and I are one class away from finishing the first beginner cycle.

Yeah, it cracks me up to think anyone would think we were married. Especially since as we walked into the first class, he handed me a little "safe sex" packet from steamworks that included lube, a condom, a rubber glove, and a pamphlet featuring a naked man. To be funny. I had on yoga pants - no pockets.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Two inches is a lot! I would like to hear from Laurel on the pants issue.

Dear Laurel,

Please dress my husband, as I can barely dress myself.

Yours truly,
Jenny

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Case in point: I told Jeff he should wear a short sleeve shirt and a tie to his first day at work. I thought it would be cute. Turns out, it's only okay if you are in an indie rock band or are an engineer.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

All the engineers I know wear ugly polo shirts with their company logos on them, or short sleeve button-downs. These are always tucked into pleated khakis. I hate pleated anything.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

I really like the way straight leg slim 32/32's look on me, but they are just a little too wide in the waist, but really comfortable every where else. It works with a belt though, I suppose it's not that big of a deal.

I want someone to just sew jeans on around me.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Also, what's the deal with 36 inch inseams being so hard to track down?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

A friend of mine in college called wearing a short-sleeve shirt and tie the "Sipowicz look."

I want someone to just sew jeans on around me.

OMG me too. Buying pants is better than buying shoes, but still: why doesn't anything fit?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to Dan: Because you're too fucking tall.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

I also hate with men's dress shirts in the plastic bags, you can't try them on. I like to try everything on.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

A friend of mine in college called wearing a short-sleeve shirt and tie the "Sipowicz look."

Your friend watched the Simpsons!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

? I thought it was a reference to NYPD Blue.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

Oh goddammit:

Marge: Bart, comb your hair. Homer, I don't think you should wear a
short-sleeved shirt with a tie.
Homer: But Sipowicz does it.
Marge: If Detective Sipowicz jumped off a cliff, would you do that too?
Homer: Ohh, I wish I was Sipowicz.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

OMG. LAUREL: you should fashion-consult me.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Dan: Because you're too fucking tall.

Well, yeah! 34 works with some brands, but it gets really old sitting down and having your socks and bare ankles exposed. I mean, most of the time it doesn't matter... but still, I don't need to be highwatered all the time!

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

This is like when I found out that "I was born a poor black child in Mississippi" was a quote from The Jerk and not a hilariously impromptu thing that Colin said to me when I asked him "what's your story?" at a party in 1997.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Generally, it's wise to assume that everything funny that people say comes from one of a handful of funny movies and TV shows.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

I don't watch enough tv and/or movies to be funny. I think that should be taken into consideration when conversing with me.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Monty Jong.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff, you have a small waist.

My favorite jeans have a 33" inseam, which really isn't enough.

I'm kind of in between waist sizes, which means I always have to wear a belt. BLah.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand men's clothing at all!! There are lots of reasons for one company's 34-inch not to feel like another brand's 34-inch -- that's called tailoring and um, garment design. That how people justify, like, $200 blue jeans, although I think about a hundred dollars of that is still bullshit. At LEAST. Also, unless you are a very specific size and proportion and never lose or gain weight, NOTHING IS MADE FOR YOU. Some aspect of practically every off-the-rack garment will not fit, esp in women's clothes where a) there's a lot more variation in topography and b) things don't come in ruler measurements.

Men's shirts: to get the fit you want/need you might have to step up the quality. Newsflash: Well-made, well-tailored shirts cost more than uniform, mass-produced ones. Not that you should rush off to Thomas Pink or anything but there are graduations of quality even in the ready-to-wear market. Can't you specify, like, three or four base measurements? Neck circumfrence, sleeve length, chest size, and overall length of shirt from nape to tail? Those seem like the important ones. If the shirts come in cellophane and don't carry enough measurements, you can probablly buy a better shirt...although probably not for the same price.

XP: b-b-but Jenny, I think short-slv w/ tie would be cute, too! Aw, sadness. Depends on the cut & sizing of both, I guess.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

What is a Thomas Pink?

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was going to ask the same thing.

I don't think I've ever bought a dress shirt in my life.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Laurel, for all those considerations, I have two letters: H&M. Their jeans fit right, and their off-the-rack button-downs are never a disappointment. You'll still up spending $50 on jeans and $70 on shirts, but for the fit and the quality, you'd otherwise pay a lot more.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

This, understand, is only for clothes that I require to fit well, and in the jeans department, used Levi's often work just fine.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm too big for H&M! Seriously! 90% of the shirts there are made for men with no shoulders.

BCBG is where it's at. I have my gf to thank for introducing me to that.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I can often find jeans that fit (as in are comfortable) but not always jeans that fit (as in look nice and form-fitting).

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

H&M women's clothes are generally shittily made and overpriced. I am surprised that their men's clothes are better.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kind of in between waist sizes, which means I always have to wear a belt. BLah.

ditto, between a 31 and a 32 is me. try finding 31W 34L pants on a regular basis. it's not as easy as it should be.

thank god for internet shopping.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Today I am wearing: jeans with a 35 inch waist, which is at least three inches too big and cinched up with a belt I bought from a woman on the street; gap undershirt; gap sweater from Brown Elephant; hoodie from American Apparrel. Cost of hoodie: $60. Cost of rest of outfit: maybe $40. Looking like you shop at thrift stores: priceless.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

try finding 31W 34L pants on a regular basis.

lanky motherfucker.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm at about a 32 - 34, but I like my jeans to be a bit longer than most people.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

I found some good running shorts at H&M and some decent drawers, too.

I've worn 36W/32 since high school, with rare dips into 34 and 38.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, wow, Otto you are one tall, slim drink of water.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

H&M women's clothes are generally shittily made and overpriced. I am surprised that their men's clothes are better.

I've noticed that about the women's clothes. But yeah, the men's clothes are better.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

With a 34 leg, I either cuff the jeans a bit, or let them drag and get that cool, queer-eye approved "ripped up cuffs" look.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

Here's the weird thing - I'm about 6', but the ideal pants leg for me is 31-32.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

I also have some bootcut low rise jeans that I like. I'd like more of those.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like some boots. I really would.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

I really miss my old snakeskins. Or the elephant skins! Oh, they were so gorgeous and indestructible. You couldn't even scuff those fuckers.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

H&M's women's suppliers vary WIDELY in both sizeing and quality. I've gotten skirts there for, like, $30 that I could not have sewn for that price, including my labor (ie if the pattern is $5-10 and the fabric is $15 and the zipper is $3 etc etc PLUS my time & labor, I might as well buy it from the store, if it fits). I've also had things come unraveled after two washings.

Haha, Dan, someone else very tall recently mentioned to me that APC is a good source for jeans because they sell them at the longest-possible length so that customers can have them custom-hemmed after purchase. But they still finish off the bottoms AS IF the length was final. They are also not cheap.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

I remember when I was 32/30. The inseam has stayed the same, but the waist has gone up. I'm probably 36 now, although I can still fit into a pair of brown corduroys that are 34. I actually bought a pair of pants from H&M recently that were 38, and they still feel snug in the crotch.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

if you got it, flaunt it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

I found some black Coach walking shoes at Marshalls two years ago for about $60, and they were nice 'til the salt and snow scuffed 'em.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

I like dressier shirts, they just form fit better than most of the stuff I get off the rack at sears.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I need new brown shoes too.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, wow, Otto you are one tall, slim drink of water.

and handsome too! don't forget about handsome!!

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

*
ahem.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

I can definitely see otto in snakeskin boots.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Otto, I don't know what you look like, but you seem very handsome on-line.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

That does it. For my next birthday, I'm asking my mom for boots. Maybe a gift certificate to Boot World or something, so I can get them fitted properly. Boots that don't fit suck even worse than other shoes that don't fit.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

H&M women's clothes are generally shittily made and overpriced. I am surprised that their men's clothes are better.

I've noticed that about the women's clothes. But yeah, the men's clothes are better.

-- Paunchy Stratego (fluxion2...), February 24th, 2006.

Bullshit. The men's clothes are thin and fall apart after 5 or 6 washes, just like the women's.

You get a lot of cuteness and style for your buck at H&M, but the quality of the clothes (mens' or womens') is a clear reflection of the price.

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, it's my gay husband Jesse!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

who?

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

Let's talk about something I don't feel so incompetent about. Like dating.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it depends on what you buy. I have a couple of button-downs that I lurve. I lurve the jens, too, but you're right, they're no Levi's.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

I just went out for a cigarette, and I hate to say it, but I think it calmed me down a little bit. I also went to 7-11 and bought a banana and a banana nut muffin. The cashier said, "Somebody likes bananas!"

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Let's talk about something I don't feel so incompetent about. Like dating.

Thanks for the laffs, Jay!

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, well... everybody likes bananas.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

Were you like "B-A-N-A-N-A-S! This shit is bananas!!!!"

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Otto at the Beat Kitchen last Friday:
ihttp://www.ericzieg.com/Otto.JPG

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

dammit.

/ihttp://www.ericzieg.com/Otto.JPG

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

(xp) You know it, girlfriend.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

It's wayyy too big. Don't trust the "i" function.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

I have to refuse jaymc's edict just to say that I hate buying pants which is why I have so many skirts. I have a freakishly long rise, which is not compatible with fashion nowadays, and my hips are huge in comparison to my waist, which means all my pants gap in the back and have to be cinced in with a belt. Even when I was a size 8 I had this problem.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

he's on Fi-yay!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

H&M is a good place to buy a suit because they're dirt cheap, but again it's kind of like renting clothes because they're ephemeral--you wear them to your big event then to a funeral and then at home while smoking and doing the dishes.

The stitching is my biggest gripe. And the knit of the fabric is loose and gets those mysterious holes quickly.

Actually my major gripe is that they're clothes are made to fit guys who are either skinny as hell or ripped in the torso. They accentuate every molecule of gut that I possess.

It's an abusive relationship, but I still am in love with H&M.

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

#1 complaint by women about women's clothing: it doesn't account for the fact that women come in a very wide range of shapes.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

That's how a photo looks when it's so dark that the shutter is open for about 8 seconds.

Jesse! Glad you're here!

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Otto and I are the same size.

Kenan, Have you ever popped in Alcalca's? I'm sure I've got the name wrong. I've never been in there, but it's the store with the huge horse outside not far from you. I bet they have some damn fine boots.

I wish my mom would have brought a camera when she went down to Texas for my granddaddy's death last week. She said his closet looked like something out of MTV cribs except all cowboy boots - lots and lots of colors, patterns, fabrics, styles...

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, well... everybody likes bananas.

-- Paunchy Stratego (fluxion2...), February 24th, 2006.

Not to be disagreable, but I really actively don't like bananas. I'll eat one for nutrition, but think there is nothing there besides that. This includes plantains. Texture and flavor are gross. (Banana nut muffins are good though).

Besides, they fall apart! You buy one and then the skin peels off. They're cute, but poorly put together. Not like a coconut.

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

xpost What size is he?

On second thought, nevermind.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Eazy. Who are you?

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

I bought a suit from H&M to wear for an interview to try to get money to work at the worker's center last summer and LO AND BEHOLD there on the wall was a big poster about labor abuses by H&M to their warehouse workers.

Thank god I didn't leave the tags on the suit.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

They're cute, but poorly put together. Not like a coconut.

You mean, impenetrable?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

(I think I just set you up nice for a joke. You just have to get up there and spike it.)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

You know what I really like about H&M? The skirts. I have a lot of those.

For the record, Nick HATES bananas.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

The record will so reflect.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

THAT WAS, LIKE, A LAWYER JOKE!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

He also hates tomatoes. What good is he?

Jesse: Eazy = Eric

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Bananas are unknowable.

You know how John says he won't go on FRM because it updates too infrequently? I don't come here becasue it updates way too frequently.

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Nick doesn't like tomatoes, either? But what does he put on his tomato and banana sandwiches?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

You know what other person hates bananas? Me.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

He also hates mushrooms, blueberries, creamy sauces, yogurt...

But seriously... One time at the grocery store I picked up a couple of bananas and he was like, "You better be getting those to eat at work! There will be no bananas in my house!"

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

how can anyone hate creamy sauces???

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

Also mushrooms. And onions (i'm with Jocelyn on that one). I like yogurt, though!

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Alcala's is the jam.

My roommate got his boots there (Hi, bro!).

xp we are not getting married Laurel.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

I love cooked onions! It's the raw ones that are creepy. I love banana bread, but a virgin banana has a weird texture that I can't stand.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

virgin banana

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

bananas get too ripe too quickly. they're best in bread form. or milkshake form, that's good too.

xp hah

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

You know what other person hates bananas? Me.

I think you're all just fighting your monkey ancestry. Give in to the banana! It's hardwired!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

The only thing I really can't countenance is eggs. Pretty much all fruits and vegetables are okay with me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

I love:

All the foods that Nick and the rest of youse hates, including bananas, onions, yogurt, mushrooms, and eggs. I actually just ate some cherry tomatoes as a snack.

I hate:

Broccoli.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

And tomatoes and blueberries.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

What's wrong with blueberries? I don't think I understand that one.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

I love broccoli, but hate the way it smells. Also, I hate overcooked broccoli. It has to be fresh and still bright green, not olive. Also, it's fun to sprinkle cheese on top. Try it. See? FUN!

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

I love mushrooms, just not canned ones.

And I love broccoli, especially raw.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

Nick ODed on blueberries once as a wee lad.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I hate overcooked broccoli.

Surely that's universal, except among people who've never had properly cooked broccoli before. Overcooked broccoli is terribly smelly and mushy.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

I once OD'ed on Fruity Pebbles. Does that count?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

we are not getting married Laurel

Damn right, we aren't. That ring turned my finger green, mister, which means you still owe me one that DIDN'T come from a gumball machine.

Mwahahahha. Jenny, my college roommate shamed me into eating broccoli for the first time. We were staying at a hiker's hostel along the Appalachian Trail and I really really didn't want to come off horribly in front of all the very cool older hikers, so when she outed me as having food phobias, I was forced to eat the broc. Damn her. She made me LIKE IT, too.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm Pebbles

http://www.shima.iplus.to/img/al/al013824.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Okay I just GId "Blueberries for Sal" and some of these are great. (Some of the bread ones aren't)

http://portlandlibrary.myphotoalbum.com/slideshow.php?set_albumName=PPL-Edible-Books-05

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, the bread ones are kind of a cop-out.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

I was unclear above. I love blueberries and tomatoes.

Here is a broccoli story: My grandmother used to boil the hell out of broccoli, and any other vegetable. So my mom got her a steamer, and she proceeded to steam the broccoli for about 45 minutes, until it was the general consistency of boiled broccoli.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

The water at the top of a container of yogurt when your first open it creeps me out. I still eat the yogurt, but only after I have gingerly poured the water off. This is a delicate operation because it is very easy to pour the yougurt out, too.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

Growing up, I thought all vegetables were mushy and dripping with butter.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really eat yogurt anymore. I think I gave it up when I decided I want to eat vegan at home and realized that soy yogurt is sort of gross -- even though I eventually went back to buying cheese.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

There's something genius about this one:

http://giganticmag.com/images/ilx/two_faces.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, you're supposed to mix that stuff it. It's whey or something, but it's actually got a lot of the good for you stuff in it. One you mix it in, it's like it was never there.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

-- Steely Df'nM (thedanmarti...), February 24th, 2006.

shake it first.

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

Or stir it with a spoon, like everyone else in the yogurt-container-eating world.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't eat the container.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I knew that was coming.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

BOO YAH!

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW YEAH!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

That's the problem, I can't bring myself to leave it in, it's got to go! This is my one real phood phobia, it's been this way ever since I was a child.

Also, cottage cheese is gross.

xxxxpost

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

ha!

Nick emailed me this morning saying it was high time for us to get better because it was almost the weekend.

But then when he called after getting home from work, he sounded awful. It was like he went through another puberty because his voice dropped several notches. Then he went to sleep. It sounds like he might not be up for anything tonight, not even practice. :-(

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

my ha! was an xpost too.

Cottage cheese has always bothered me. I tried it again about a month ago, but it turned out it still grosses me out.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Cottage cheese is kinda gross, I'll give you that. But the water in cottage cheese is not analagous to the water in yogurt (even if it's exactly the same stuff). Like Jenny said, you can stir yogurt, and the water disappears. I know it LOOKS like dishwater that has spoiled milk in it, but it's not.

It was like he went through another puberty because his voice dropped several notches.

Soon he will be ready to be a radio personality.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

I agree as well. I mean, I haven't tried it since I was a kid, but it creeps me out too much to even try.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

That's the problem, I can't bring myself to leave it in, it's got to go! This is my one real phood phobia, it's been this way ever since I was a child.

-- Steely Df'nM (thedanmarti...), February 24th, 2006.

But the yogurt that you eat is laden with this liquid. The better part of the yogurt IS this stuff.

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I could remember enough html to make italics happen.

― jesseOooooooo, Friday, 24 February 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

I love cottage cheese, too. I was talking to Jeff about this the other night, but I think I like a lot of food that people generally don't. Like cottage cheese and black liccorice, for example. If you offered me black liccorice or a standard milk chocolate candy bar, I would pick the liccorice without even thinking twice.

Dark chocolate I'd have to consider.

Jesse: [i]italics[/i] except use the greater than/less than signs instead of square brackets.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

My grandfather used to drink glasses of buttermilk. That sounds awful awful awful, but keep in mind that he was used to drinking *unpasteurized* buttermilk, which is a whole other ballgame.

xpost < i > < /i > (take out the spaces)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

It's true, though. If you line a strainer with paper towels and place it over a bowl, and dump the yogurt into it and let it sit overnight, you will have a bowl full of that liquid and half as much yogurt as you started with.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

My grandmother used to make me drink buttermilk sometimes. I can't remember why.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Meanness?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

I love dark chocolate. Much better than any other kind. Liquorice has a time and a place.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

But that doesn't beat my mom making me eat this cracker paste which turned out to be shark cartilidge.

I love dark chocolate too.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

My grandmother used to make me drink buttermilk sometimes. I can't remember why.

Probably for some reason that applied to her but not to you. Like bowel reguarity or something. My grandparents were always doing this to me.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Liquorice is a whole other thing, I suspect.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't like cottage cheese, cheesecake, canned tuna, mushrooms, or V-8.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Look, I understand that the water won't hurt me, that I could just mix it in, and that the fucking fruit is on the bottom - It's an irrational thing that I do, just like people who think raw onions are creepy and that bananas have a weird texture. This is not an attack on your phobias, but I ain't going to stop dumping that water out any time soon... My fragile world would probably come crashing down around me! :)

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

Word.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Sho'nuff

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW YEAH!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Random question: How come Blockbuster carries Scrubs Season 1 Disc 1 and Disc 3, but not Disc 2? We tried 2 different blockbusters and found the same thing. Did something especially raunchy happen in the middle of the season?

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Shots of yogurt water are going to be the new Malort.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

haha not that I remember.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Shots of yogurt water are going to be the new Malort.

Nothing tops Malort.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Not many foods that I don't like.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yogurt water as a Malort chaser, then.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

Me neither, and none that I outright refuse to eat.

Have we discussed Malort here? Is there anything nastier, and yet sublime? (And of course I mean "sublime" in the Kafka sense, which is that it reminds you of your mortality, like a cigarette.)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

The thought of chasing Malort with yogurt water is making me a little ill. It's because of the Malort, not the chaser.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

I don't smoke. Perhaps this is why I don't see the sublimeness in Malort.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and Marmite! I hate Marmite!

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

This thread makes me want to do a shot of hot sauce right now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

It's Friday, ya'll. Do the Hustle!
(*cue Hustle song*)

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

I hate the smell of clam chowder and the commentators for the Olympic Ice Skating events.

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

Natto! That's another much maligned food that I like. Based on that, I think I might like Marmite or Vegemite, but I've never had the opportunity to try either.

*does the Hustle*

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

ta ta!

― Sarah Madkitten McLusky (coco), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

I hate many foods, the list would be long and boring and you would all think I'm crazy and make jokes about me starving to death. It's not like that! I DO eat well! I just haven't made peace with a lot of vegetables!

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

I LOVE FOOD.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

The animal world is so awesome:

The alligator snapping turtle has a pink, tongue-like appendage in its mouth which it wiggles while open-mouthed to lure unsuspecting fish. When the fish swim in to eat the "worm," the turtle is the one receiving a meal!

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

vegemite is vile.

am i horribly ignorant for not knowing what malort is?

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck a blue line.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

xpost You are not. It's hardly made anymore.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

Also I can't believe how much chatting happened while I was taking a bus instead of a quick jaunt on the blue line. Blue line, you are dead to me. I will still take you once you are running again, but only because otherwise I'd be screwed. But I will not acknowledge any fine points about you, not even if I get on another car with those cute foldy doors. They are cute, but they'd look better on the brown line. They just make you look fat.

Fuck you, blue line.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Haha. The Blue Line is the only one with those foldy doors, for some reason.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

(Also, thanks for the mp3s! I will practice along with them, I promise!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

(Remember we're doing one in a different key!)

Also fuck the general unavilability of 36" inseam.

SCHMEH!

I need to get some dinner at someplace perhaps other than Cafe Lula in this beloved Logan Square neighborhood. Is there anyplace? Veggie-friendly, of course. Cheap A+.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

I think there's a couple of standard Mexican places around Logan/Kedzie. Nosing around on the Reader website, I see that the only one I've been to has closed, but this could be promising. (Ann posts on ILB, doesn't she?)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to have to go home and hold up a tape measure to figure out how relatively long a 36" inseam is. How are you people ALL SO TALL??

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not! But you knew that.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

That is true. :)

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm tall because I care.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I was just remembering our Cohen discussion earlier and was wondering: Is Sasha Cohen's silver-medal performance a sad day for teh Jews? Was there any sense that a victory would have taken on symbolic significance given the historical WASPiness of a sport like figure skating?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

I hate those foldy doors. I'm a red liner so the foldy doors take me by surprise and sometimes I get caught in them.

xpost to Chris - HA HA!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

And Ann does post to ILB, but she's been in grad school since, well, since Fall I think. Maybe she's still doing things for the Reader, or maybe this is old.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

February 24, 2006 - A person was struck and killed by a Chicago Transit Authority Blue Line train on Friday. The person, age and gender unknown, was struck by a southbound train at the Irving Park station, CTA spokeswoman Ibis Antongiorgi said.
A spokesman for the Cook County Medical Examiner's Office confirmed that the victim died. Antongiorgi said fire personnel were still on the scene. Service on the blue line between the Jefferson Park and California stations was still shut down as of 2:25 p.m., she said. Bus shuttles were in place and would make the usual stops between the stations.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it's probably old, since it's a restaurant review. I had no idea she was in grad school. I thought she was working on a novel or two.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) Eep.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

I was sitting behind the doors and I put my hand to rest on the rail and then the doors snapped open and I was MERE INCHES away from... well, something. I don't know how painful it would have been. At the time I thoug it was cute but now I have learned it is a dire warning that the Blue line is out to get me.

xpost 2:25 is, I think, exactly when I got on the platform at Monroe. Eep.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

My bedroom furnace works again! Holy shit. If only this had happened before it was 4 degrees outside for a whole weekend.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

See you all at the cinema or later -

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa - I was at home sick today (apparently the doctor thinks I have the "flu though it might be strep", so I have to wait until Monday to see. In the meantime I am actually feeling much better.

1. Mmmm sambuca - licorice flavored liquor. I love it.

2. When you feel like you want to cut a limb off and the thoughts consume you, that's called apotemnophilia. You may actually cut the limb off and feel better. Maybe someone mentioned that before. There was a documentary about it called "Whole" but honestly, I didn't think it covered the topic in enough depth. It's pretty interesting, but not great. Points for originality, but not for style.

3. I am going to Iowa this weekend and am not particularly looking forward to it.

4. I wish you all well and have a great weekend and don't let the blue line eat you or your pants fall off or a giant piece of overcooked broccoli make its way into your dance space.

The end,
Amanda

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

Note: I am not condoning amputation. Duh.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

Have fun in Iowa! Somehow!

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

Where in Iowa? I am jealous.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

Really?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

Fairfield. Home of the Maharishi School of Management and Dan's family.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

It's a family outing, although I might get to eat some wild game, which is exciting I guess.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

Really, if they were going next weekend I'd ask to come along. I've never been to Iowa.

Google google. Oh, southeast Iowa. Hm. I don't know anything about that corner of Iowa.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

The TM people are totally nuts -- they have their own little encampment - Vedic City - and this place called The Raj where David Lynch went for some sort of treatment/relaxation/mediation thingie. Other people too. Dan and his fam are townies though, not "roos." (Short for "guru", the local parlance for the TM people) It's weird. If you came along it would be a lot more fun, I can bet on that.

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't eat any wild game, though. This sounds completely great, who wouldn't want to go? Roos!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

I should get back to my BREAD-MAKING...I will catch you-all later. Maybe next time, Chris!

― The Milkmaid (of human kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

The rent story.

I haven't paid rent in two months, because despite my protestations, I have not had heat in my apartment all winter.

The hammer finally came down today. Only it wasn't a hammer at all. More like a Nerf bat. Colin, the husband of the woman that I signed the lease with, left me a message that said, "Rent by Saturday, or I will kick you out."

I called him back as soon as I got home and said, "You realize I've been living without heat all winter, right? This is not exactly legal."

He sighed. "No," he said.

I didn't think so. His ex wife, my ostensible go-to person for these things, didn't tell him at all. She didn't even tell him she hadn't gotten a rent check from me in two months. And of course she did nothing about any of it. I think she may smoke crack, but I was frankly happy not paying rent. I was hoping no one would ever notice.

He came over immediately, fixed my heat, and we discussed terms of rent. I will pay one month's rent next week, one month's rent in the next two weeks, and he will give me one month free for my trouble. Fair enough, I think. Even considering that the ceiling in the kitchen is falling down and I'm still not planning to be here forever, I can swing with that.

This means I will not be able to move into Jessa's building in May, which I was thinking about doing. This is better, probably, because my being Kramer to her Jerry is not at all optimal. We can live in the same zip code, but not in the same building. I mean, really. Regardless of how we would work that out between ourselves, it just looks bad. And it's also, in all fairness, probably a bad idea. I mean sure, we'd see each other a lot, but... well, we'll let history speak to the advantages of that.

I'm kind of relieved, actually. Shithole that it is, I kind of like this place. I like my neighbors a whole lot, particularly when they're not having lame art school parties. I like that my kitty has lots of room to run. I like the awesome old Chevy stove, even though it leaks gas.

Or maybe I'm only thinking these warm things because for the first time since November, I'm warm. Toasty, actually. The combination of the newly-lit gas smell and the dust burning off the furnaces smells a lot like toast.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not very caught up on this thread but I forgot I am going to WOLF EYES tomorrow and so won't get to see TM3. Will there be another chance to hang with Chris P. before he leaves? I would like to meet him.

It sucks because right now I feel like hanging out and being social but also I still feel sick and tired. It's frustrating.

― n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 25 February 2006 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, well... everybody likes bananas.

-- Paunchy Stratego (fluxion2...), February 24th, 2006 3:22 PM. (kenan) (later)

I don't, I hate bananas.

I found awesome-fitting jeans at H&M and then the last time I went they had stopped carrying my size. Like, they would have my waist size but they would be too long, or they would have my inseam but they would be too tight. It was really frustrating. Then I found one leftover pair of corduroys in my size and bought them. FINS.

― n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 25 February 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

What? You totally can jump from my show to WOLF EYES, no? Seriously, I'll be done by 9:30 at the latest. I was going to do a certain song JUST FOR YOU.

Yes, I'll be around, and am very (unsurprisingly) interested in meeting you and Sarah.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 25 February 2006 08:06 (nineteen years ago)

And I did get to meet JMC and Dan tonight, yay. And now I smell like smoke, boo. But it was worth it, yay.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 25 February 2006 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah wtf nick, wolf eyes? dude, come to our show. i am playing clarinet. maybe you missed that part.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 25 February 2006 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

you don't need to impress jon williams.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 25 February 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

wolf eyes blows.

bloews.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 25 February 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't realize how much I smelled like smoke until I got home. I guess that's what I get for falling off the wagon and smoking.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Saturday, 25 February 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

aw sorry for that. the more cigarettes i give out, the less i have to smoke. which is good.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 25 February 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

gah. those fucking onion rings.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 25 February 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

j/k

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 25 February 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

aw sorry for that. the more cigarettes i give out, the less i have to smoke. which is good.

ENABLER

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Saturday, 25 February 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

Also, that fucking pizza.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Saturday, 25 February 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

whoa. i am lisening to"little fluffy clouds" at 65 bpm. it is usually 105 bpm.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 25 February 2006 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, I wanted to meet Chris, too. How long have I got? Are there any other Chris-related events to attend? Is tonight the only night?

In other, horrifyinger news... Jesse caught a possum. My initial reaction on hearing this was somewhat like the reaction of Hal's mom at the beginning of Infinite Jest when Hal eats mold and The Moms runs around in circles screaming.

He could have gotten rabies! Or fleas! Or possum rot! Or lost an arm! GACK.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 25 February 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

That possum thing is so scary that I'm just going to ignore it.

Yeah...I'll see what I can do about making both shows. The problem is, I still kind of feel like crap. I'm really tired of being sick, I don't know why it's taking me so long to get better. But I don't know if I have enough energy to go to one show, let alone two that are at opposite sides of the city. But I'll see what I can do.

― n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 25 February 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

You get to sit down at our show. Consider that.

Tonight is a great night to meet me, but it isn't the only night to meet me. Nothing else is planned yet, but I'm here at least through the week, and possibly during next weekend as well.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 25 February 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

He could have gotten rabies! Or fleas! Or possum rot! Or lost an arm! GACK.

I like the jump between rabies and fleas. "He could have been seriously diseased! Or slightly itchy!"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 25 February 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

But seriously folks... leave possums alone. What about a possum isn't screaming to be left alone? I fear the day when Jesse fucks with a raccoon.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 25 February 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

There aren't any armadillos up here, are there? I also fear that day.

On the other hand, get yourself a possum, an armadillo, a raccoon, and a squirrel, and you got yerself a stew.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 25 February 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

They tell me down here that possum meat is nasty and greasy, and armadillo is just possum on the half-shell. I've had squirrel -- it's okay.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 25 February 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit, I just saw those pictures. I've killed a couple of possums, but always with a LONG, LONG stick. I just imagine the entire contents of the CDC's vaults are waiting on possums to crawl up the hands of the unsuspecting.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 25 February 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, Jesse's got quite the photo catalog there. My favorite is "Laverne's Pube" and its accompanying story.

― Eazy (Eazy), Saturday, 25 February 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

If you didn't notice nick, I was drunk when you called last night. Feel free to bail for the show if you want I can get rid of the ticket easy.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Saturday, 25 February 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Who th' fuck has pubes like that? Chewbacca?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 25 February 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Pube.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Saturday, 25 February 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff, I left you a message and I am bailing the Wolf Eyes show, not to go the Minor Thirds show though. Just to stay home and feel gross. Sorry dudes. I really don't feel so great, and being sick this long it probably means I have a sinus infection or something though I won't be able to go to the doctor until Monday.

Hey Chris, if you're free on Thurs., the F@ke F1ctions are playing this weird show at a fun bar called the HIdeout. We're doing a three song set, and one song will be a cover of a song by one of the other bands playing that evening.

― n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 25 February 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, Nick! I hope you feel better!

Chris, I cannot make it out tonight - I went to a birthday party last night and today must do a boat load of studying. I am sorry, because I would also like to see your band play. But hopefully next week, maybe Thursday. I am tenatively saying I'm going to the Hideout, as long as nothing monstrous comes up in the mean time, like having to take Jesse to the hospital for possum bites.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 25 February 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yes, J. was telling me about that show. It's Thursday? I should be free then.

You are now obliged to feel better, you understand.

What are you studying? I'm sure I have a relevant song.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 25 February 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

If no one shows up, I will be officially sad.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 25 February 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

People showed up, and I was happy.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh good.

― gbx (skowly), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

Also -- and I have been saving this joke, or even debating whether it was worth telling -- it turns out J. really knows his way around a faggot!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

See, a "faggot" is another term for a "clarinet", more or less.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

Um.

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

And here I thought you were saying I got along well with B.

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, he's maybe more of a fop?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.theminorthirds.com/concert-060225-chicago.jpg

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:20 (nineteen years ago)

― Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Jeff. How was WOLFEYEZ?

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:24 (nineteen years ago)

If he'd been playing an oboe, I could have said that he knew his way around a ho' boy. Sorta.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:25 (nineteen years ago)

The mustachioed chap from Bird Names asked me if it was a bassoon!

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

It was good. I left early, but I like the new sounds I heard. Kevin Drumm only played like 20 minutes, that was kind of a drag. Macronympha was good too. They had two girls in leather dresses making out on stage their whole set.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

He called them noise girls, ha ha.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

Bassoons look totally different.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, of course you know this. But my point is, we all know this.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

What are you studying?

Law! But if that's too easy song-wise, you can challenge yourself with specifics - wills and trusts, labor law (specifically jurisdictional conflicts between arbitrators and the NLRB), and how to lay the foundation for and get exhibits into the recrod at trial.

They had two girls in leather dresses making out on stage their whole set.

It's a public service for the noise dudes, most of whom will never get any closer to having sex with a real woman.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 26 February 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Into the record, too.

John does know his way around a faggot. And a clarinet.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 26 February 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.jrp-graphics.com/jb/images/lil1.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

I totally sang about legal issues behind wills and trusts last night, which are surprisingly similar to the difficulties children have in keeping chickens for pets.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I may be late in saying this, but the above pic seems to be John blowing a faggot.

Possum bites never hurt me.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

If everyone makes a variation on that joke, then my original joke will seem like a "meme-starter". And thus it will be justified before God and the Chicago thread.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/40/104998930_6f15c79934_o.jpg

― Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 27 February 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

What do I want to do tomorrow during the day?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

I should dress up like Laurie Anderson and feel my way around town all day.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 03:53 (nineteen years ago)

Take the Green Line out to Oak Park. Take a tour of Unity Temple and wander around that dowtown. Or take the Blue Line to Damen and wander around Wicker Park. Or go to the Zoo.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm neither a park or zoo style person, but the Temple sounds interesting.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

Both Unity Temple and Wright's studio have tours, both are pretty impressive to see in person, and Oak Park's a treat.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

Or come with me to a winemaker's seminar tomorrow night at 7 in the west loop.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

Will "Alanis" be there?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking of going to Myopic tomorrow night, both to check out the bookstore (which is what I do) and because they are going to have some "experimental music" or other.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

(I did not go to Milwaukee to go to the bookstore today, we're doing that next Sunday I think.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

Heh! We'll see, J.! (John and I befriended a cute wine merchant on the way to South Union Arts - she lent us glasses to bring to the movies/music and sold us a decent bottle of Brazillian (!) wine.)

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't befriend anyone: it was all you, dude.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

Who is Cauistry?

Guess what? Guess what? I had wine from India!! I had a chenin blanc (ha ha I typed chenin bland) and a sauv blanc and both were very very nice and definitely suited to Indian food.

Indian is the new Thai. For me.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a guest.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

Do I know you? I'm me.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

I can't sleep. You think it might be because I'm listening to the Blood Brothers? I want to listen to something mellower, but after this, everything else sounds like sissy squishy vagina music. You can't just go from Blood Brothers to Jim O'Rourke -- you'll want to choke him to death.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

It's possible that you know me. I'm a pretty knowable guy.

I'm listening to B. in the other room try to learn how to play the ukulele. The song he is using to learn is Geo. Michael's hit "Faith". There is no chance for sleep tonight.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, is that what you were going to tell me when you called me at 4 AM last night and left a message that said "Guess what I did?"

PS Indian food is great.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

Is there good Indian food here? There is a somewhat surprising lack of better-than-OK Indian food in Portland, where the best Indian food actually comes from a particular food cart.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:50 (nineteen years ago)

There is great Indian food here. Better than India, because there's white meat here.

Chris, what with the uke cover of 'Faith', you sound like you're staying in a freshman dorm.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I don't eat the white meat, so.

The "Faith" cover is homework for a performance class for B., who is getting his MFA at the Art Institute after all.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:55 (nineteen years ago)

There are a few all-vegetarian Indian places, like Annapurna (for takeout/quick eats), Udupi Palace, and Arya Bhavan. All of these are on Devon Avenue.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

anything on devon is really good. or that's my experience, but it's been an age since i've been there.

i have leftovers from star of india in my fridge and they make me very happy. daal, saag paneer, and mixed curry veggies of some sort.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) Also: Mysore Woodlands.

My favorite Indian restaurant in Chicago, however, is Hema's Kitchen, which has two locations: one near Devon and another at Clark and Fullerton. Jeff will now yell at me and say that Bhabi's Kitchen is better, but I still haven't been there.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:04 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, Juuuliaaaa, are you in Chicago these days? Do I get to meet you?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

Why is it so hard for me to start a goddamn article? Just START WRITING ALREADY. (This is technically due tomorrow. I even have an outline, but. Gah.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

I need to lie down and think of a lede.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a first line to start you out: "The viscount woke up bleeding."

xpost!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

I ate at Essence of India which is smack in the middle of Lincoln Square, which is a German neighborhood. It is a nice place and the food was absolutely delicious. It's as good as anything on Devon, (and better than Standard India on Belmont) but the atmosphere and decor are more appealing (Jeff would probably hate it on those grounds alone) and they have a nice wine list.

Not perfect for a date because the tables were very close (my date and I were in what was apparently the smoking section--the cock smoking section that is--we were 1 of the 3 tables of homos.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

I'm in the same boat, John - I have to write a review of a play I saw this afternoon, due tomorrow. I bet if we swtiched places, you could write a great review and I could write a great article. But here we sit.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

cock smoking! i just needed to repeat that is all.

chris! yeah, i'm kind of quiet on this thread (and then occasionally have such very profound things to say, usually about food), but i'm here in the city, off the red line, living in a weirdass building that i want to get the fuck away from. i'll email you.

i have sufjan stevens in my head, and then went to find the mp3 of the only song of his i've heard that i like, but i think i deleted the album to make more hd space, hmm.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

Today B. and I went to Victory's Banner for breakfast, and we had a long long wait, and I kept watching people come in and walk by, and I realized that I was feeling a little... weird about how heterosexual Chicago feels. I'm probably just used to the Northwest's generally apathetic attitudes towards sexuality, or something.

xpost.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

You've been hanging out in the non-cock-smoking section, eh, Chris?

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

It's been a while since I was in a segregated city, is all!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

I just went to lie down but all I could think about is how good it would be to just fall asleep and wake up refreshed.

Jesse, that's good to hear about Essence of India -- I've been wanting to try that place, but the reviews online have been mixed.

I'm interested in this "heterosexual" business. Admittedly, Roscoe Village is probably pretty hetero: I always think of Roscoe Village and Lincoln Square as the neighborhoods where hipsters in their 30s move to and have babies.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

Not that I am looking for booty or anything. The last time I visited Chicago, back in 97, was on a booty run, and he proved to be something of a freak.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

Then again, my cousin David lives a block away from Eric, and I just met his costume-designer boyfriend for the first time today.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

Please take everything I say (and I'm saying too much, thank you Mr. Surprisingly Nice Bottle Of Shiraz) with a grain of salt as I try to get all de Tocqueville on your town's ass after a mere, what, three days here.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

(Key info missing in that last post: Eric lives sort of near Roscoe Village.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

i have sufjan stevens in my head, and then went to find the mp3 of the only song of his i've heard that i like, but i think i deleted the album to make more hd space, hmm.

I can help you with that.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

i think i have the file on my sister's server, so it's no big deal. i keep sending her all sorts of stuff, and she's too busy studying for grad school to listen to it. dude, priorities.

or were you saying you could get a different song in my head?

really, i should just pop some drugs for this headache and go to bed.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

There's only one solution for that headache: late-night Literati.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

or were you saying you could get a different song in my head?

Oh, I could do that, too. You want me to sing?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

In olden days a glimpse of stocking was looked on as something shocking
Now heaven knows
Anything goes...

(I guess it doesn't really work unless you can hear me)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

sally mann to thread.
omg i masturbated to a sally mann photo in harper's when i was like 12.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), February 26th, 2006 9:31 PM. (jaymc) (later) (link)

o_O

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:31 (nineteen years ago)

oops.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

That should be on every thread.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

It's now on three.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, J.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know who that is, for what it's worth.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:45 (nineteen years ago)

She's a photographer, and she takes naked photos of her kids. To, you know, oversimplify it a bit.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:51 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, I'm not mad. I mean, I posted it in the first place.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:52 (nineteen years ago)

Oh. OK.

― gbx (skowly), Monday, 27 February 2006 06:55 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really know anything about sexuality in the NW (I lived there but moved when I was 6), but there are very few places that I would feel weird about going on a dude-date, and even holding hands or giving a quick kiss goodbye or hello (I am against PDA).

Aside from that I thought Chicago seemed fairly well stocked with homos. My gaydar has gotten really sharp as of late, and as often as not there is at least one gay guy or lesbian on every train ride. I'm sure that part of the reason for that is that I ride the red and brown lines on the Northside and Loop.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

Morning, Chicago.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

John: sorry I never called you back. I've been freaking out about a test I have tomorrow.
Amanda: How was Iowa?
Everyone else: Thumbs up?

As part of my New Health Plan agenda, I ran 2.25 miles today. I feel good yet tired.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hi.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Hi. Are you still in New Orleans?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, those weren't quite what I meant, I guess, or -- my thinking here is probably very unclear -- but I didn't mean to suggest that it was homophobic or that there weren't gay people.

I meant something closer to: When I moved to Portland, I found that my gaydar was completely useless, because most of the straight people came off as "gay", and indeed straight men in "gay" contexts were far more common than I was used to. (Meaning everywhere from appearance to snuggle-ness to full-on cockgargling.) Then I realized that the actually committed gay people often were "really gay", especially if they are young and grew up in Portland and, I suppose, need an identity to glom onto.

Or, to put in another way: It's not that there aren't gay people, it's that the straight people seem really straight. My "straightdar" is blinking constantly, which only happens in Portland's most yuppified neighborhoods.

And, what's more, it's weird that I'm even noticing this.

(None of this has anything to do with any ILXors.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

French men and German women jam the gaydar.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

E. knows what I'm talking about.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Are you still in Chicago, Chris? How did the show go?

I'm back from New Orleans and back at work. It was a pretty great trip and I wish I was still there. Maddie and I stayed with ilx0r Adam our first night, I ate like a machine, played a funeral, saw some brass bands, Maddie got a tattoo, etc.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Morning guys. I had some weird, weird dreams last night. I was listening to this record by a made-up band, and discovered that it was making me bleed through my skin, so I had to turn it off. And then later I dreamed that I got breast implants -- three sets of boobs on top of each other, like cow udders. Then I decided that I didn't like them, and girls told me they were gross, but I didn't have the money to get the reversal surgery, so I just had to wear really loose t-shirts.

I don't know. You tell me.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Glad you had fun in NO, Jordan. I hear from my dad that it was pretty kickin'.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I am still in Chicago, probably through the weekend. The show went pretty well, I think. At least, I had fun, and people seemed to be into it. Pictoral evidence of J. and me can be found above (or on the whaddaya look like thread).

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Your dad went down?

Good points:

--The city has come back a lot more than I expected, i.e. most of our food stops/grocery stores/friends etc. are around, and were not two months ago.

--The gig was really good, and I ended up doing some f'n fascinating cultural stuff that was unexpected, like the funeral and playing with some Mardi Gras indians.

Bad:

--Stupid ass fratboy "revelers", and me being stupid enough to even try driving near the quarter

--The parts of town that are still pretty much destroyed, without power, unoccupied, etc.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Your dad went down?

My Dad and stepmom know how to party trashy Southern style, with lots of booze, teeming masses, colorful costumes, etc. Also, surprisingly comfortable in a crowd of out-of-control homos.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

aw, i missed out on late-night literati (and singing! dammit), because i really did end up going to bed, but i'm always up for a game of literati, eric. bring it on.

woke up with tom waits in my head ('hoist that rag', i'm quite fond of that song)

― Juulia (julesbdules), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Also, surprisingly comfortable in a crowd of out-of-control homos

Rampart Street?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Which would annoy you more: A cubicle neighbor who is crunching on carrots or a cubicle neighbor who keeps singing snippets of unidentifable songs under her breath? Or one who is doing both at once?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

What if she had a crowd of out-of-control homos with her? What if they were very straight-acting?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

THE LATTER. I find the sound of crisp carrots crunching to be kind of...satisfying.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think the carrots would bother me nearly as much as the songs. There's a woman who works in an office right across to me that starts singing to herself in a high, birdlike voice at around 5:45 or so. I take that as a cue to put on my headphones, if they're not on already.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

I have a co-worker who talks to herself while in the toilet stall, all the time. It's very disconcerting.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny, it's things like that that make me listen to music all day at work.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Confession! I'm the person eating carrots and singing. I asked if eating carrots would bother my neighbor, and he said no, so I am eating them. The singing, I don't know where this is coming from. But I realized I was singing AND eating carrots and was possibly being the most annoying coworker ever. All I need to do is start clipping my toenails and eating stinky fish for lunch and I'm totally THAT WOMAN.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

The twist ending!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

I just finished the carrots.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

I've never had a job where I could listen to music all day.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

xpost The denouement.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

What were you singing? I hope it was "Walking on Sunshine" by Katrina and the Waves.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

No, it was a snippet from The Dresden Dolls song "Sex Change" that goes "tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow." So not only was I singing under my breath, I was singing something inane and repetitive that my cubicle neighbor totally won't recognize. I mean, I think in that moment I could only have gotten more annoying if I'd farted, and then made a joke about stepping on a duck.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

I have "TV Party" stuck in my head. I keep wanting to go "That's Incredible!"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Hey is there any good Indian food in the loop, near where I work?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone want to meet up for dinner tonight? Perhaps Indian?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

where do you work, jenny? there's gaylord indian, indian garden & the clay pot . . . although I suspect they're all more north loopish.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be up for dinner except I have a test tomorrow that I'm freaking out about, so I need to study. I'm also meeting some guy from craigslist to get his moving boxes off of him.

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Oooo Indian for dinner...

I might could swing that - I will have to ask my better half. I'd love to try the place Jesse went on his date. It will be interesting to see where they seat us. Although I guess if it's gay men and straight women, the cock smoking section would still be appropriate.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

We could also go somewhere on Devon. I'll be on the north side of the city around dinner time, but will also be close to the CTA so whatever.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

jesse had a date? how nice!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

This morning the housemates made espresso and pancakes with marionberry preserves. Nice!

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I work at Jackson and Wells, very near Amanda and I think near John, or at least near where John used to work.

xpost: Yeah! They've been on two dates, and are working on a third!

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

drool

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

How much work does it take?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

The closest place I can think of for you, Jenny, is India House, which is right near the Grand stop (59 W. Grand). I was hoping that Eazy and I could do the lunch buffet there sometime this week, since I have a coupon!

I can't do dinner tonight since I have band practice. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

I guess he's busy so they have to find times when they are both free.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'll eat w/ y'all at India House! If it's near the grand red line stop, it's walkable for me!

― R. Kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, Jeff can't do dinner tonight, and John and Kelsey can't go and I should really study (IT NEVER FUCKING ENDS) so maybe another night? How's Wednesday for people?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

HEY I WANT TO GO TO DINNER TONIGHT WITH YOU FUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's hard work getting a date with this guy because he (get ready for a repeat from FRM board folks)

1- is in school full time (15 credit hours- 5 classes)
2- works
3- is directing a sketch comedy set
4- writes
5- is starting rehearsals (he is playing Picasso in Picasso at the Lapine Agile)

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, they're all good days for me. I'm just kinda "here". Wednesday is the C@n@st@ show, no?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

(xp) Eep, sorry, Wednesday is our show, so we'll probably have to load in right after work. Really, the only day during the week that I'm usually totally free is Thursday. But I mean, don't plan around me. I've already hung out with Chris a couple times so far, and I know I'll see him again before he leaves.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Most of us fuckers can't go to dinner tonight. But... if Chris and Jesse still want to go, I will totally change my mind. Becuase INDIAN FOOD. Also, I want to meet this "Chris" person.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

And then we can all sit in the cock smoking section.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

WHO THE HELL IS CHRIS???? I'VE BEEN TRYING to get this infor forever since yesterday.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE INDIAN TONIGHT!? PLEASE?>?????????

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

I think I may have gotten anotherr job. I won't know until tomorrow, but it will be two days a week for a ludicrous amount of money per hour. I can make as much in two days as I do in a week at the magazine. I may not have to die in the cold after all.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse: Casuistry/Chris lives in Portland, Oregon, but he is visiting Chicago this week and staying with a friend in Logan Square. He's the one I played the show with on Saturday night (pics above).

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

So Indian or not? Say yes.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

None for me. I must eat Ramen this week.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

My date dude has told me that I look like Al Pacino (in the eyes) and David Byrne.

IINDIAN FOOD

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, Jesse, Indian tonight is fine! Are you the Jesse of possum fame?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

yes

Jenny? Injun food?

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Okay I will go with Jesse and Chris. Where?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

I admit, I am not as exciting as ramen.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Honest Injun's Injun Diner on Reservation Road.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

I admit, I am not as exciting as ramen.

-- Casuistry (chri...), February 27th, 2006.

Raw men?

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Excitement chart, from excitingest to leastest excitingest:

Ramen > Raw men > Romans > Rwanda > Rue McClanahan > Rowan & Martin > Me.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

With a very sharp drop-off at the end, there.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

I've never had a job where I could listen to music all day.

Yeah, it's pretty cool that way. A side benefit of sitting in a big room full of editors who never talk - but nonetheless make all kinds of other annoying noises.

Sorry I missed the show Saturday by the way. I was surprisingly hung over, and I think the ENTIRE FRIED RED SNAPPER I had at the Vietnamese restaurant Friday night didn't agree with the amount of booze I took in. I didn't get out of bed until mid afternoon and never got out my pajamas all day.

I should be at the 'nasty show on Wednesday unless my housemate's friend flakes out and there is an extra M0gwai ticket available. The likelyhood of that happening is ---> 0

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

No Rowan Atkinson?

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, that should have said "...likelyhood of that happening is x--->0"

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

If I find Rowan & Martin generally exciting, is that a good sign that I will enjoy dinner?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Hey folks! Here's what we're doing for Injun tonight:

http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/dining/44723,0,753296.venue

Western stop on the Brown Line. It is on the NE corner of Lincoln and Wilson, in the heart of beautiful Lincoln Square in the heart of beautiful Chicago in the heart of.... never mind.

BE THERE! (and be queer).

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno about ramen>raw men (depends on the men in question?), and furthermore, you have no alliterative possibilities in your name. so you are beyond that progression, chris.

in a good way.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

What time do we meet and eat?

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

If you provide a tricycle, I will attempt to fall sideways off it.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Excitement chart, from excitingest to leastest excitingest:
Ramen > Raw men > Romans > Rwanda > Rue McClanahan > Rowan & Martin > Me.

-- Casuistry (chri...), February 27th, 2006.

What about Roman Polanksi? And how does Ramen rate higher than Raw Men? Apperantly I've been doing something wrong.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

We meet at the restaurant at whatever time you guys want. Jenny and I will be arriving ensemble so you guys figure it out.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

Noodlin' > Canoodlin'.

Someone else needs to pick the time, my schedule is far too open.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

7 pm.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

And Roman Polanski counts as a Roman. Especially when he's in Rome.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

But try not to do as he does.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Especially who he does.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I need to ask you something:

Dude I'm dating says something odd. When he encoutners something gross he says, "Ill." I thought he was saying "Ew" but he types it on IMs.

Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

I'll repeat this on FRM

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Now we've come full circle, back to Sally Mann photographs.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

"Ill" could be used to describe something gross. I kind of like it as a reaction to those damn kids using the word "sick" to describe something that is good.

― Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Sample conversation:

me "I just puked in your hair"

dude "Ill"

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

That... is weird.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

"puked"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Only one entry for that meaning on Urban Dictionary.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

So no one has heard of this? He's not trying to be hip at all. It's just what he believes everyone is saying.

He also says "pop" for soda, but that's normal here.

― jesseOooooooo, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

Today is "Mardi Gras" at work. Translation: I get to drink beer.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

Is there an office bead contest too?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Haha. Funny you should mention that. A couple of the best-looking ladiez from the office (there are like 250 people that work here so there are still people I've never seen before) were wearing a bunch of beads, and my boss (who is gay and does a very good stereotypical distateful gay man voice) says "Wonder what they did for those?" right on cue.

― Steely Df'nM (OutDatWay), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

New thread:

Chicago: Smell the Glove

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

Hi guys.

Since we're now going into the 3,000 post range before starting a new one, it seems like such a waste of our precious thready resources to let this one lie dead with only 1,980 on it.

Plus it is the thread on which I became a regular contributer.

One of my earliest and still a favorite:

Bananas are unknowable.
-- jesseOooooooo, Friday, February 24, 2006 3:39 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

― Jesse, Thursday, 18 October 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

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