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You know the drill. Work and dates and office mates suck, carrot cake and coffee is good.

Except I'm DOING A DETOX so I can't have either cake or coffee. No booze, no refined sugar, no caffeine (except for green tea), no bread for FIVE WHOLE DAYS!!! How will I survive?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

I was sick SEVEN times yesterday. Ergo I am only drinking squash today.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my lord, what did you do to get so sick?

I deserved to be sick after all the nummy food I ate at H's dinner party.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

Drank too much. I'm so rock and roll.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, that sounds a harsh regime Kate. The only way I'd get through something like that would be to stay in bed and sleep for a week - is detoxing really all that good for you?

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

I've been feeling just so... rubbish lately that it can't make me any worse. I've been getting winded walking up stairs! Which is so wrong! I'm the girl who thinks nothing of a ten mile ramble!

It's not for weight reasons (though that is getting alarming) but more for generaly health. I'm also walking up stairs more, and going to make sure that I walk down to the river and back every day at lunchtime.

It's only five days. If I *do* actually feel any better, than I might consider doing it for all of Lent. If I don't, well, it can't do me or my liver any harm.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starving, having got used to big dinners over the past few days.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmmm, nummy pizza. Except that is now verboten, seeing as it contains bread.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

Good luck Kate! (I'm trying to cut out Diet Coke this week, but that's about as much as a detox as I can take) I'm sure we won't tease you with cake here. Well, maybe... :)

carson dial (carson dial), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

Sigh. It's only 5 days.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to cut out Diet Coke this week, but that's about as much as a detox as I can take

Fuck, man. Diet? That's already detox.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

Diet coke is sooooo bad for you. I think it might actually be worse for your liver than regular coke. All that aspartame? Ugh!

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

It was *delicious* pizza.

I won't have time to eat much lunch because I have to go into town to drop off my *four* rolls of wedding photos at the developers. So I'm eating chocolate now.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

'ello

Diet Coke is full of unpleasant chemicals, but then again so is everything else.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

Apart from cake. Cake has nothing nasty in it at all, ever.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

So how was the weekend? Sorry not to see you FP
xpost sorry, yes. Nor doughnuts.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

So how was the wedding, FP?

(I am ignoring this talk of cake and doughnuts. You guys are sodding MEAN. Would it kill you to be supportive? I'm going to go and have some green tea now.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

I can't wait to go to the shop. I'm so fucking hungry today, given that I didn't eat much yesterday for fear of it coming straight back up. I skipped breakfast, too, because I was too occupied watching children's TV to get ready in time.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

Fantastic!

(xpost: both the weekend in general and the wedding. And the FAP of course)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

Glad you had a good time, FP. Take it you're feeling better this week?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

Can't be supportive Kate as mouth is full, sorry

Cool. And I'm glad someone else uses film cameras too :)

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost*

What Kate said - admittedly, I think it's still not proved one way or another whether aspartame does odd things to your brain, but I'm guessing that cutting down will probably be good for me.

(has anybody tried that Coffee Pepsi? It sounds like a horrible idea for a drink, even moreso than Pepsi Blue)

carson dial (carson dial), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

I guess now's not a good time to go into my why-detox-is-a-load-of-cobblers rant.

Aspartame is carcinogenic. Allegedly only in high quantities. I don't know what a 'high' quantity is. Anyway, I don't drink diet or straight coke. I smoke though! Clever me!

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Am currently cutting the caffeine for a while myself, to see whether my tummy likes that regime better than lots and lots of caffeine. Not going completely off it though, have granted myself a cup or so a day to avert headaches. Mmm also, must buy green tea today.

Good luck w/multidetox, Kate!

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

OK, maybe I shouldn't have called it a "detox" because I'm not taking milk thistle or any of that crap. Basically, I'm cutting out a load of stuffs that I know makes me sick for a short period of time in order to give my liver a rest.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, the whole idea of cappucino-flavoured Pepsi makes me want to VOM.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

I think that Coffee Pepsi sounds vile.

I read a magazine interview recently with that hypnotist chappie, Paul McKenna. He said that the key to making yourself stop eating (or over-eating, rather) was an extremely simple mid trick - every time you really fancy a slice of cake or pizza or whatever, just imagine it in your mind's eye being covered with slimy wriggly worms (or something equally disgusting). It will put you off it, and if you do it often enough your mind will forge a permanent link between that particular foodstuff and the disgusting-ness, therefore you will go off it with no real effort at all.

I tried doing this with chocolate, and it actually worked for me. Very quickly, too.

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and BTW, belated Happy Birthday, Suzy!

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'm feeling better at the moment, Tissp. Hopefully it will last.

The warehouse office have already eaten all the chocolate I took them on Friday, which is a good excuse to visit again when I'm passing *this* Friday.

(I'm going to Wales this time, so it's rather less of a detour to visit them)

xpost: Here, CJ, have a chocolate.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

*yeurch*

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

Or, you will suddenly find worms really appetising.

Works both ways.

(xpost)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yum worms

FP did you meet your phone-flirt?

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Worms are probably low fat and GOOD FOR YOU though. Win/win.

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Glad to hear it, FP.

Oh oh oh I forgot to say also I have developed PALPATATIONS and an IRREGULAR HEARTBEAT. Hooray!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

FP did you meet your phone-flirt?

I did indeed.

Spoke to her on the phone again this morning, and she said I have to come back and visit again soon. Because they've already eaten all the chocolate.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

Why is it that everyone around me seems to be so negative about the idea of my doing a detox? For gods sake, I'm not saying that any of them should do it. Grrr. I'm starting to get a headache. It must be the caffeine withdrawl.

Anyway, the Worm Lady says worms are great, but I'm a vegetarian and I can't.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Drink lots of water, Kate!

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

And I suppose Detoxes are useless if you plunge straight back into your normal hedonism at the end of it, but basically I'm seeing what I *can* do without and trying to be more sensible when I end it.

I am drinking lots of water. First cup of green tea without honey tastes like pond water. Ugh. I have to keep reminding myself it's the only caffeine I'll get today.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

worms are brilliant! they are like toys! awesome weirdie squiggly muddy little buggers, i am a big fan. apparently it hurts them being in people's hands though because of the dryness and the salt.

kate i am v supportive of detox, hurrah! cake and all that is just full of refined sugar crap anyway. gurt solid slabs of bitter cocoa are where it's at. also after like 2 days of eating nothing but veggies i always feel superpowered, so you will too.

hey fp, good to see you friday. rest of the night sounded cool too, i am a bit jealous of the pizzaness but i had purple food to make up for it.

i have given in and joined myspace.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Purple food? oooh.

I should have invited a random ILXor to the wedding as my guest, seeing as I'd said I was taking one but didn't.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

yeh purple food! it was a not-risotto. it had beetroot in it and apples and loads of stuff.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

I have beetroot at home. I should figure out something to do with it. I bought it after the Russian made that thing at Xmas but have no idea how to ... err... deal with it or anything.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

Beetroot >>>>>>>>> worms

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

What can one eat beetroot with? Or just slice it up and eat it by itself?

Also, I think the high cocoa content chocolate thing is something I should go back to. Stop eating rubbish pick and mix chocolate (despite the crazy Scandinavian illustrations!) and eat 70% dark chocolate which is actually GOOD for your BRANE apparently, according to that book that H had.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

make it into soup and put feta in it at the end (are you allowed cheese?). roast it then the skin just slips off and put it in your face. stir fry it. risotto it. grate it and mix it with garlic and mayonnaise (i think this is something like what the russian did). mmm i bet it would be good if you made potch with it.

beetroot is better than worms for eating, beanz, but it would make a rubbish toy.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

I love beetroot.

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

I can't roast because my oven still isn't working. But putting it in soup might be an idea... Though I tend to make chinese vegetable soup. Perhaps I could put it in parsnip soup.

What is risotto - or, rather how is it made? (insert stupid web meme here?) And what is potch?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Basic Risotto
Serves 4


Approx. 1 litre/2 pints stock
1 tablespoon olive oil
3 finely chopped shallots or 2 medium onions
1/2 a head of celery, finely chopped (discard any tough outer sticks)
Maldon sea salt and black pepper
2 cloves of garlic, finely chopped
400g/14oz risotto rice
100ml/3fl oz dry white wine
70g/2oz butter
85-100g/3-3 1/2oz freshly grated Parmesan cheese


Heat the stock. Then in a separate pan heat the olive oil, add the shallot or onion, celery and a pinch of salt, and sweat the vegetables for about 3 minutes. Add the garlic and after another 2 minutes, when the vegetables have softened, add the rice. Turn up the heat now. At this crucial point you can't leave the pan, and anyway, this is the best bit.

While slowly stirring, continuously, you are beginning to fry the rice. You don't want any colour at any point (so remember, you're in control, and if the temperature seems too high, turn it down a bit). You must keep the rice moving.

After 2 or 3 minutes it will begin to look translucent as it absorbs all the flavours of your base (it may crackle at this point, that's fine). Add the wine, keeping on stirring as it hits the pan - it will smell fantastic! It will sizzle around the rice, evaporating any harsh alcohol flavours and leaving the rice with a tasty essence.

Once the wine seems to have cooked into the rice, add your first ladle of hot stock and a pinch of salt (add small amounts of salt to taste while you are adding the stock). Turn down the heat to a highish simmer (the reason we don't want to boil the hell out of it is because, if we do, the outside of the rice will be cooked and fluffy and the inside will be raw).

Keep adding ladlefuls of stock, stirring and allowing each ladleful to be absorbed before adding the next. This will take about 15 minutes. Taste the rice - is it cooked? Carry on adding stock until the rice is soft but with a slight bite. Check seasoning.

Remove from the heat and add the butter and the Parmesan, saving a little of the latter to go on top if you like. Stir gently. Eat it as soon as possible while it retains its moist texture.

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

God, I am so cranky. I just snapped at someone. This is not good.

x-post YAY! Will hvae to try that.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

risotto is that rice veg thing (possibly it sometimes has meat in, i have no idea, but that wouldn't apply to you anyway). i have never made it properly like from a recipe or whatever, but afaik you get some veg, cut it up into quite big pieces, fry it in oil for a bit then tip rice and a tin or two of tomatoes in, also lots of parmesan, and wine, then keep stirring it constantly til the rice is done. someone who knows what they're talking about may wish to correct me.

potch is mashed potato but with chunks of turnip/swede/parsnip/carrot etc in. i bet it would be nummy if you used beetroot.

xpost thanks cj!

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

Risotto won't look like normal long-grain rice when it's cooked either - it has a sort of creamy consistency. In fact, if you feel like really spoiling yourself you can stir in a spoonful of thick cream before serving. Extra and unnecessary calories, but oh so nice.

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

hello everyone. I'm on lunch break from my electrician's course.

What phorum phun you all missed this weekend.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmmm, POTCH. Any. Excuse. For. Parsnips.

Beetroot is great in this salad I make where you combine finely sliced onions (red is best) and cubes of cooked beetroot in a bowl. Make sure you get some of the juice the beetroot is packed in, add a glug of olive oil, a dash of balsamic vinegar, and some coarse salt and pepper. You can also add lightly cooked carrots (it makes them easier to grate if parboiled) to the mix and then dump it across whatever salad leaves you've got. I recommend any mix with watercress or if you're feeling really austere and St John-ish, watercress on its own.

If you are really serious about your detox, use rice sticks or bean thread in current versions of Thing and take a break from the dairy stuff too, especially CHEESE.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

Honestly, I don't actually eat that much cheese. Except maybe Paneer. It's not something I keep in the house. I'm much more worried about chocolate and booze.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Parsnip soup does not seem the treat it once did.

I definitely feel light headed and am having trouble concentrating.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Kate, I am also without coffee today and I am having exactly the same symptoms!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

I am eating my soup with a LITTLE TINY SPOON in order to make it seem more... I don't know. Exciting? Make it last longer?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Make everything else around you seem much bigger? Feel like a giant?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Pepper on the soup! Get cracking!

That happens. When you go home tonight, score the skin of a lemon so you can smell the LEMON OIL. Cut it in half and squeeze it entirely into a VERY HOT BATH and cruciallly leave the squeezed lemon in the running hot hot water. Exfoliate with dry loofah or bath mitts BEFORE getting in, remove floating lemon husks, then soak for ages. Wet baking soda is also a good exfoliant in this bath, especially WRT washing the face. Tea tree oil baths and lavender baths are also your friends here, but the dry exfoliation thing is U&K whatever your choice of soak.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Who on earth has things like whole lemons and loofas lying around the house? :-P

I wish I could take VERY HOT BATH every night, but my gas bill is already outrageous. It's a luxury I tend to do about once a week.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

You buy the lemon. They're 20p. The mitts are never more than £5 and I've had the same pair forever (see all mentions of Turkish Baths ever).

suzy (suzy), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

sometimes you see something and then everything makes perfect sense. today is one of those days.

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

But what did you see?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

it looks like a hipster.

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, I am just back from a brisk walk down to the river and back through Covent Garden. It really woke me up, that was nice. But now the office seems overly bloody warm.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

what should i make for lunch? i have broccoli, mushrooms, carrots, swedes, potatoes and onions. i don't have to use all of the above.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

I would make Thing out of all of the above. Well, thing soup, probably. With lots of black pepper.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

Pie! Mash the potatoes and stick them on top of everything else

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Emsk, I would like to be your friend, but I've fogotten how to get into my account, I can only get into the general Shims one! :-O

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

oh noes! is there not a forgotten-your-password button when you log in?

i considered Thing but i am trying to broaden my kitchen repertoire... having said that i also considered, um, chips.

mmm, pie.

or i could fry the mushrooms and broccoli and thinly sliced carrot up with garlic and stick some soy sauce on it. and/or make potch with the potatoes and swede.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, the fried thing sounds GOOD. You could have nonions in that, too.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Right. I have caved in. I am drinking coffee.

The headaches were too much.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

I am my second cup of Grunner Tee. I wouldn't be able to do this, otherwise.

But you know, come to think of it, the coffee out of the machine really isn't that great.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

you get headaches if you don't drink coffee?
jesus.

stop drinking coffee!

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Also, ARGH, Young Adam went to a hairdresser over the weekend and just messaged me to tell me that his hair is now SHORT. How can I handle this in a non-shallow way?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

my new favourite band: www.myspace.com/claytonblizzard


xpost oh no kate! make him wear a wig.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

haha kate I cut all my hair off just after Matt and I became An Item. He thought he'd turned me lesbian (!) but managed to hide it well. And fortunately hair grows back.

Exciting task of the afternoon: cutting up laminated card into small bits. Arrgh I'm so bored.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

you get headaches if you don't drink coffee?
jesus.

Yes. This is withdrawal.

stop drinking coffee!

The headaches are the whole reason why I can't stop!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

He's not pleased with the result of his haircut, so I don't want to be all "You're dumped!" but "would you mind wearing a wig" might still be a bit harsh, too.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

I fear gkit you are misunderstanding the EVIL WAYS of caffeine. A bit of caffeine is good for you isn't it though, to keep your heart rate on its toes or something?

Archel (Archel), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, coffee is full of antioxidants and goodness. And a bit of caffeine, like a bit of alcohol, is actually very good for you.

Though I will be the first to admit I drink far too much coffee. 'specially since the irregular heartbeat and palpatations diagnosis.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't caffeine up there with nicotene and heroin in its physically addictive properties?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm, I've never managed to become addicted to nicotine.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

Now I am drinking champagne and eating cheese. What a wonderfully bizarre day this has been.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

just stop drinking so much coffee. the headache won't last forever. get one will power.

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO YOU CONDESCENDING LITTLE TWERP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

I have willpower galore, but don't expect me to be nice while exerting it. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

(I think he was talking to me)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Kate, take an aspirin/paracetamol NOW and drink lots of water - the 'where ma coffee?' twinges willl go away in 30 minutes.

Emsk: you have the makings of PIE. Broccoli is not necessary.

Steam/boil the carrots and swedes so they can be cubed easily, then set aside to cool. Saute onions until golden, in butter or olive oil. Add half a mug of veg stock to the onions and then add in the cubed swedes and carrots. This will cook down to a nice 'gravy' consistency - pour the mix into the bottom of a casserole pan and then mash some potatoes to make a pie topping.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

..oh yeah and not forgetting to whack a load of pepper and a weeny bit of salt in the pie filling gubbins and to dust the top of the pie with parmesan or suchlike before the apocryphal medium-hot oven for 20 minutes or until browned to taste.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I am having the other half of my soup. At least I have found a soup spoon so I do not need to eat it with a tiny teaspoon. I might just stab someone with the teaspoon, had that occured.

I just growled at one of my colleagues "I AM DESTROYER OF WORLDS" to get him to move away from the microwave. Where he was making a BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL CUP OF TEA. Argh.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck tea, imposter to coffee's crown.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm currently enjoying a nice cup of Whittard's Dreamtime tea. The instant tea drink which is of the honey, apricot and vanilla variety. It's loverly.

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

BUT IT ISN'T COFFEE

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

No, no it isn't.

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

woah?

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Are those backing vocals you're doing there, greg?

C J (C J), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

omg wtf woah-a-woooooah.

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

and yeah, i was talking to tissp.

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

WHY DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND???!?!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

STOP TELLING ME TO NOT DRINK COFFEE

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

oh wait

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

DRINK THE COFFEE AND CHILL THE FUCK OUT

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

ahem sorry haven't had a cigarette in hours

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

How am I going to get through the rest of this evening? I'm dropping with fatigue and can't see my way through even the most elementary of programming problems.

I think coffee :: programmers what spice :: those weird worm creatures that "folded space" in Dune enabling space travel.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

you should drink one coca cola and forget about the ciggy

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

crosspost

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

but actually it applies without crosspost

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

real programmers drink coca cola y'all

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

"Fancy cigar--why don't you smoke it already? Puff puff go go go go go!"

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

it burns liek teh sun, maek teh pain stop :(

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to sort grouped totals by a calculated formula (percentage) and it just won't let me do it, and I don't feel like persevering and figuring it out, I feel like stamping my feet like a noize dupe until it works.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

omg I have now moved on from cutting up card to... stapling! I am literally about to eat my own arm off with boredom. When did my job turn into a primary school class?

Archel (Archel), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

set fire to it

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

that was also a crosspost that didn't need to be

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I could set fire to this report without setting fire to my laptop as well. :-/

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

print it out then set fire to it

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Excellent!

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

can i get a "sorry, kit"?

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

I can't BELIEVE this. Someone has NICKED my yellow highlighter.

I know it's absurd to be upset by this, but I GUARD my highlighters so carefully. And someone has just walked off with it.

Arrrrggggghhhhh.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

It's almost like someone is doing it SPECIFICALLY to wind me up. They all KNOW how I get about my pens.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

The co-worker has just decided that we should all go off on a company camping trip at the end of May. Hurrah!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

:(

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

A camping trip to where, though?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

(although he is now getting all downhearted and saying "bah, you can tell noone will want to go and we'll end up cancelling it". We've already got six people interested, and he won't ask half the building because he "knows they'll say no anyway")

xpost: he fancies the Lake District.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I would love a work camping trip. We need SOMETHING to get us actually speaking to each other in more than grunts again.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

:( kit

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Alls it would take to get me speaking to my colleagues in less than grunts is my YELLOW HIGHLIGHTER BACK.

Oh yeah, and a big, steaming, foamy cup of coffee.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

My yellow highlighter has gone missing too. Also my special Pilot fine line pen. I have, however, somehow acquired an extra, crappy, pair of scissors. Sigh.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Your article is already a week late and you promised it would be here by 5pm today. Yet I hear no inbox-ping. I wonder if you'd prefer the legend 'There was going to be an article by [X] here but they didn't send it in on time' on an otherwise empty page

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Writers be stooooopid when it comes to dates and deadlines.

However, I am super CLEVER because I have just figured out how to do this exact clever thing involving month to day, year to date and all data using THE SAME REPORT but only selecting a button first - WITHOUT having to change the DB code.

I don't know why it's taken me six months to figure it out. It is so so so so simple now I've thought it up.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

U R smart and I don't understand what the hell you just typed

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

That article is causing so many problems... it's in, but it's crap. It's a complicated situation...

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

I am so very clever, I'm still impressed with myself.

However, I know that no one in ops will be impressed because even though I did that SUPER CLEVER THING, I have not been able to sort groups by a calculated field. Bah.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

[making the international sign of swoosh-that-went-right-over-my-head]

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

[I promise I never do that in real life]

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I'm sure if you explained to me all the reasons that this article was crap, it would swoosh over my head, too.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

don't get me started

beanz (beanz), Monday, 20 February 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I slept really well last night, and woke up bright and early and bouncy. Hence why I'm in to work early. So maybe this detox thing actually does have something to it...

How are you all today?

And for the record, I'm sorry, g-kit, I was trying to make a joke of my crankiness. I didn't realise that you didn't realise I wasn't serious.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

Morning Kate.

I feel sad this morning because I left my gloves on the train. Since I have little to do at work, I'm finding it hard to move on from thinking about my gloves. Oh gloves :(

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

Morning, Archel. What kind of gloves were they? Or should I not remind you of them.

And now I'm feeling a bit bummed. It's hard not to feel jealous when one of your friends gets something that you wanted, but at the same time you feel guilty for feeling jealous. Sigh.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

...I also feel like I've blown something, for reasons that were totally out of my control. And it's a reflection on *my* sucking that she got it and I didn't. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

So it's gonna be one of those slow days, today, innit?

Greeeeaaaaat. :-( Maybe I can find something to keep me busy.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

Today's a bit crap here too.

Still, fingers crossed, I'll get the wedding photos back at lunchtime.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

Morning
Busy day here... several thousand words to write. Don't know why it makes me so depressed, it's what I'm paid for.

Lost gloves is rotten Archel. What were they like?

What didn't you get, Kate? Nothing wrong with jealousy as long is you don't hate her now :)

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my gloves were lovely blue woolly elbow length ones, a Christmas present :(

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Erk...a teacher lost a whole lesson today because the computers went down, courtesy of an obscure Windows error...so I'm in the doghouse a bit (all fixed now, though). I have a package from Wales waiting for me when I get home though! (I have no idea what it is, so that's exciting)

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

A gig. Support slot for a really cool band. I don't hate her - I think her band is amazing and awesome and fantastic, and I'm glad that good things are happening for them. But at the same time, because we were up for it, too, I can't help thinking that we didn't get it because we were rubbish in some way, or pissed off the venue in some way, or something else like that. So I'm beating myself up over it. :-(

x-post oh no, those sound beautiful.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

They probably tossed a coin

Archel will you try and get them back? It's not impossible, just a bit of a pain I think

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't worry about someone you like getting a gig, in fact I'd probably turn it positive in the future by asking them now to play out with you at another venue in a month's time, and totally flipping a coin to see who opens.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm hungry. Bah. Guess I'll eat an orange or something.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I am an idiot. I just sent out a mail to our entire mailing list, saying that the Pash Fest was on Sunday, 26th MARCH. It is not, it is in FEBRUARY.

::bashes head against desk::

And there was me thinking I was actually doing OK with this giving up coffee lark.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

The coffee thing is really useful, surely? Every time something goes wrong, you can blame lack of caffeine :)

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

Woo, I have all the wedding photos! And they're great!

(apologies for not having any FAPshots, though)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

I have a package from Wales waiting for me when I get home though!

You misheard. It's from some whales, and they've sent you a parcel of krill.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

...and they're mad as hell and want it back. That's why they keep swimming up costal estuaries and rivers. The whales are mad and they're after you!

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

And on a completely unrelated note, I got "Sainsburys The Best" soup which is supposed to be butternut squash and coconut and chilie, and it doesn't taste of anything. Bah. :-(

Going back to regular parsnip soup - and cheaper - tomorrow.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Aaaah! Shamu and friends have finally tracked me down! Curses!

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Ever wondered why people follow you down the street calling out 'Free Willy'?

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Open flies, perhaps? Put that beastie away.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

I am resigned to not seeing my gloves again but I am all happy now anyway because I just got test results back and have not got any of the scary diseases I thought I had. Woo!

Also, elbow gloves are a bit irritating because you have to put them on BEFORE your coat really so you can pull them up properly, and if you do that you can't do up the buttons on your coat without help. Or look at your watch or anything.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

yay for not having scary diseases!

I've just had my 15 minute walk. I'm breathing hard, but that could be from climbing the stairs.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Hurrah for no scary diseases!

*xpost*

Never! Keiko is my prisoner! Although it's a bit cramped sticking a killer whale under the stairs...

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my god, I was too hungry. I gave in and had a quarter of an egg mayo sandwich. However, as far as breaking the detox, half a slice of bread is not as bad as chocolate or coffee or a glass of sherry or anything.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Not nearly. Especially if it was wholemeal.

hahaha I consider myself a serious feminist and lover of lady bits and all, but I could not help snorting with laughter and boggling my eyes at the poster I just saw in the loo for a 'VAGINA PAINTING WORKSHOP'. Noooo! Occupational hazard of working at a university I suppose...

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

how do i join this workshop?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Clarification needed: is this painting views of vaginas, or is it something involving body paint?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it was painting from life unfortunately ken...

I wasn't sure either FP! But examining the small print revealed it's paintings OF vaginas, not um, ON them.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, just when I'd nearly completed the Sistine Chapel on my outer labia...

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

all you need now is for the pope to move in

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Hrrmm. He moves in mysterious ways.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

The Pope, yesterday:

ihttp://mrankin.home.cern.ch/mrankin/Silly.jpg

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm. Don't want to be at work.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Likewise... lots to do, and trying to resist joining in the David irving thread

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Moi non plus. But at least I only have an hour left to waste.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

I am utterly ravenous. I feel like I could eat anything in sight. But then people keep offering me food and I think "Naaahhh..." and then I realise what I *really* want is a giant, steaming, foamy cup of coffee. Sigh.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

(Green tea is just *not* good enough. Now I know how heroin addicts feel about methadone. Bah.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Fifteen minutes before I go home. Woo.

(and then lots of photo-scanning to do when I get there. Boo)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a sucker and get them to put them on CDs for me. Money for old rope I guess.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Well, even if I'd done that I'd still have to go through cropping them all and resizing for web.

(they cost me over £35 to get developed as it is)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Might have a couple of gigs lined up later this year. One of them might be in London.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Ohmigod, that would be so cool! megamassive Fancy A Gig!

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Urggh, it's 'energy awareness week' and I just got a cheery email urging me to attend as many events as possible - looked at the attached programme and the first event was 'presentation on the campus heating system follwed by tour of the boiler house'. THAT SOUNDS FASCINATING, YES I'D LOVE TO COME.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

That actually does sound fascinating to me!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, if it's a choice between that and 'capoeira led by the student union enviornmental society'...

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

someone should point the bcc at your 'energy awareness week'. they are currently asking people to help them study climate change by maxing out their processors for weeks at a time. idiots.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/hottopics/climatechange/aboutexperiment1.shtml

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

haha before i clicked the link i thought the study was about measuring how maxing out 10000 processors would contribute to global warming by adding to heat!

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

yeah someone at work just emailed everybody asking if we could do it. you think not then koogs?

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

yo kate, a said last week when i asked him that he thought they would fit better with that band, and that was before you'd even played...

also i was just talking to someone who's on day 6 of a 10 day detox and she said days 3 and 4 were teh nitemare from teh lagoon of death oh noes but now she's totally springy and feeling great.

i went to register with those ppl and they love me they do.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my god, there's worse to come? Argh.

I feel a bit better about the decision, then. But still, it's hard for me not to beat myself up over things.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

well, i guess it's prob different for different people. also this woman is a meat-eater and she's detoxing from meat too, and (red) meat decomposes in your system for fucking ages so you may have got to the awful point before she did.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

> you think not then koogs?

it does seem a bit odd they should be asking. the fan on the computer here will speed up and make a hell of a noise if asked to do too much for too long (because the processor is using more energy and throwing out more heat) and i've seen the increase in the lecky bill at home when i've left it on doing similar things for as little as a week.

maybe they have a way of getting the computers to be only a bit more busy all the time but i'm still a bit dubious. (they tend to max out the processor but have the background processes running at the lowest priority so they don't 'reduce user experience')

another note. is there any truth to the rumour that you lose the ability to handle meat if you've been a vegetarian for, say, 15 years? not that i'm thinking of becoming a carnivore again, am just curious.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think there's a bit of horrorshow when you restart meat but for those amenable to fish, that's a good 'transition meat' and the problems aren't nearly so vile. Couple of veggie friends said they tried and it ripped them to shreds, others were absolutely fine when they switched.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I mean the 'spare' processor power is not really spare, is it? They imply that using it/not using it makes no difference either way, but it obviously does in terms of energy use.

I started to eat fish and foul again fairly recently after about 12 years as a veggie - the fish has been fine, but I still only eat chicken etc very rarely and it does have a noticeable (not good) effect on my digestion. I think I'm going to stay off it altogether now (at least until next Xmas anyway...)

No way I'd want to risk red meat.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

It particularly will make a big difference if you have a modern computer with a scalable processor - with one of those, the OS can change the processor clock speed to match system load, so if your computer's idling it will slow the processor down and use much less power.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

(in other news, today is another slooow day)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

In other other news, my body has apparently decided that since I don't have any serious illnesses after all, I'm going to have a nasty cold instead. Feels like I have a throat full of barbed wire. Want bed and hot chocolate.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

fitting a new wheel to someone's bike coz the axle on their old one snapped. Bored out of my mind.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, that makes sense, Emsk. I can't remember what it was like going veggie because it was so very long ago, but I don't recall feeling shit at all. If anything, I felt better because I used to eat so much crap processed meat. I don't know why anyone would *want* to go back to eating meat. I was forced to, for two weeks when I was in jail, and I've never been so ill.

The good news is, however, that I've lost 5 pounds in the past three days, but that could just be water weight because I ate so much/badly the weekend before because I knew what was coming.

I miss sugar most of all. My breakfast is just not the same without it. :-(

I just feel... down today and can't really say why. No particular reason, just existential angst.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

hang on.. there's a come-down period for red meat?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

I started to eat fish and foul again

freudian slip?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, I guess I understand eating fish again, as it's got all kinds of essential oils (I take Omega 3 in seed oil form, but it's apparently not as good) but I can't do it as I'm allergic. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

haha I AM thinking that chicken is kind of foul, right now, so yes freudian slip.

I don't like oily/salty fish which is the best kind so there's probably not much point me eating it from a health pov really, but sometimes I just get a fishfinger craving.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

Bah, this thread is making me hungry.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

Now I'm in a worse mood. Gah. What is up with this? I emailed a friend yesterday asking if he wanted to go see a movie tonight and I've just not heard back. Do I go to the movie by myself, or wait until I hear from him? (though honestly, with my track record at the moment, I don't expect to hear from him, because men have a habit of ignoring me at the moment.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'd go with you, but I'm booked for dinner. At any rate, you sound like you'd fall asleep at fillums.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know why anyone would *want* to go back to eating meat.

Because meat tastes really good, in a way that vegetarian stuff doesn't. And vice versa, of course.

I'm confused, what are you giving up, Kate, you seem to be shunning everything you enjoy at once, which is a recipe for giant flaming disaster. I mean caffiene + anything else seems a bridge too far for me.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

Well, like I said, on the good front, I have lost 5lbs. I have also not had rotgut or the acid reflux in three days. I have stopped farting (sorry if that is TMI) and my stools would even please the Poo Doctor. I have slept better than I've slept in months. My skin has cleared up, no more spots.

So maybe I should concentrate on the good things about the detox. And stop feeling so cranky.

(This does nothing about existential angst, but still.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

kate is your friend normally the type who answers emails first thing everyday? cos lots of people i know (annoyingly) aren't and so organisation for short notice things i have to do by phone and it's not them being rude but just lack of email access/desire to check emails every day.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't the faintest clue. I've never emailed him before, I usually just text him. He's got a hotmail account, so it's entirely possible that my message went straight to a spammail account. Also, he's a depressed f*cker who can go days without answering texts.

I guess I should just learn to go to movies by myself. :-(

I guess I'm also just annoyed because Young Adam was hassling me for ages to change our rehearsal day to something that wasn't Wednesday (because that was his evening off) and now I have, he's never around on Weds, he's always out with his other friends.

Part of the whole reason of actually having a boyfriend/boything/whatever is to have someone to go to movies and gigs and things with. And he never does! So I feel like I've got all the hassle of having to deal with a boything, but none of the advantages. Except maybe sex. But, you know, there's more to life than sex. (no "is there?" joke answers, please.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

Sigh.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Kate I'm MARRIED and M doesn't go to gigs or movies with me! I don't think a partner automatically does those things (though it would be nice).

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

Well, what is the bloody *point* of having a partner, then? It's just one big inconvenience and nuisance and imposition.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

should have made that a deal or no deal criteria.

you should call your friend on the phone kate - guarenteed response (if you get through) and it's always nicer to be invited to things by phone cos that's so much more personal.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

I have just texted him (the friend, that is, not the Boy). I *HATE* the phone, I view it as such a bloody imposition that I would never want to impose on any of my friends by phoning them.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, WRT this friend, I know that he suffers from depression, and from mild agrophobia on kind of the same scale that I do. So I'm not angry at him at all. More like "I really enjoy spending time with you, I wish we could do it more, though I know that's difficult for you." I think if I rang him, he'd think I was hassling him. I don't know; it's hard. But we kind of understand each other on that level.

I think that the frustration is due to not really wanting to feel like I'm in A Relationship and nothing to do with this other friend at all.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe I'm just feeling dissatisfied with everything today adn should reserve making any judgements until this detox thing is over.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

i cut out caffeine for a while earlier in the year because of stomach problems and still haven't fully reintroduced coffee. you'll feel so much better after the first few days of no/little caffeine are over. suzy's suggestion of paracetemol is right on. that and loads of water will see you through, though unfortunately the psychological craving for the comfort that comes with a big cup of coffee is harder to beat. but look on the bright side - after going without for a while, the tiniest bit will send you through the roof. i just had a latte at a meeting, and i feel like i've done a massive line.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I should just start drinking cups of warm, foamy milk for the comfort thing. Though I think that would just put me to sleep. Chai, maybe?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

there's a jar of hippie-ish coffee substitute stuff here in the office made of toasted roots or somesuch, but it looks and smells totally rank. i have a hard time believing that it would quell the caffeine urge.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no, now I'm really worried about that friend. He has been in Moorfields for an eye operation! (n.b. it is not Momus) However, he said that he really wanted to see the film. (Piano Tuner Of Earthquakes - I just knew it would be the sort of thing he'd be into.) So I will wait until he has recovered. Cool. I just hope that he's OK...

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

I quite like Yannoh. It tastes nothing like coffee but it has the right creamy texture, which you just don't get with herbal tea.

There's a lesson here Kate: when replies to emails not received, don't assume you're being ignored, assume eye operation! Er, or something. Hope it's nothing too major, eyes are scary.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

At least it wasn't an i-MAX 3D film that you invited him to see!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

What is it with all the chatting-people-up threads today? Is ILX getting collectively desperate or something?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Parody threads, you know?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

...and I said I wasn't getting on relationship threads any more! Dammit...

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

I hate chatting-up threads. Are people so lame that they can't talk to other people? Are we suddenly Just Seventeen?

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Are people so lame that they can't talk to other people?

*waves*

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Chatting up threads just make me hate men even more than I already do. Sigh. The only thing worse than having to be in a bar listening to cheesy chatup attempts is hearing men discuss them. Like they think that's going to *work*?

But then again, it makes me realise that I'm not the sort of girl they're trying to chat up. Maybe that's why I've put all this weight on. When I was skinny, I used to get loads of horrible, random, totally annoying chatup attempts that I knew had nothing to do with me, and everything to do with what I looked like. Now I don't. And I guess if anyone actually takes the time to chat me up, they must be either A) desperate or B) actually like something about me.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't mean are people socially shy/awkward FP, I meant, do people have to ask on a message board for tips on specifically talking to attractive members of gender of choice, as if there's a secret to it that's somehow outside of normal human interaction? Which I don't believe there is.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

It's almost like men believe that there is some SECRET FORMULA or ULTIMATE WINNING LINE which will enable to pull any girl, of their choice, ever.

Like girls are not separate entities with separate turn-ons and separate interests.

There is no one size fits all equation. That's why advice (good advice, anyway) is all so vague.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

kate i don't think anyone on the chatup thread is thinking any cheesy shit is going to *work*.

just saying like.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, the only non-sarcastic comments on those threads were saying exactly what you just said!!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

The thing is, you may be being sarcastic, but actual men really will try that kind of crap. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

I hate men! I hate sex! I hate relationships! I hate being chatted up! I hate love! GOD I WANT A CUP OF SODDING COFFEE.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

save your sanity and get a bag of quality, fresh decaffinated for emergencies.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, ken is not an 'actual man'? ;)

Take deep breaths. At this point coffee will probably make you feel worse before it makes you feel better. Go back to thinking of the lovely postive detoxy things above. Recall that men are just people too. Think about how sex is actually quite nice really.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

well given the size of the population there is always somebody trying something!

xxxxpost

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

i'm too good to be an "actual man" i think.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Men ACTUALLY will try that. Not actual men. I'm so decaffeinated I can't even get my word order straight. Sigh.

Sex is a bit rubbish, really. Even good sex. I'd rather have a NICE CUP OF COFFEE. Or a footrub.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

and, to be statistical about it, if we assume that people who are actually attractive and not idiots are more likely to succeed in "pulling" or what have you, and thus have to try less often.

those who are left constantly on the pull are those who are idiots, who don't succeed, giving the illusion that "omg all men are idiots!".

anyway, wrong thread for this but since the topic got brought up.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Aha! THAT'S the other good thing about relationships - foot rubs!

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Ohmigod, someone just walked in with a big cup of Cafe Nero coffee. I can smell it from here and feel like clawing my own nose out. :-(

Maybe I should have lunch.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

As far as I'm concerned, relationships are mythical.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

foot rubs are mythical for me

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

My soup is good. It smells like rosemary (and tastes like rosemary, too). But it is not coffee.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

forgive me, for I may be ridiculed:

As I've never given/received a footrub, I have always been curious (and laugh as you will): is it just a rub? No technique has to be learnt, just ease off if the person in question looks in pain, go to other areas of the foot and try again there? Is there some secret I missed when I was ill from school after doing nasty things to my hip?

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, footrubs are the greatest thing in the world. Honestly, I think they are better than sex. It is, indeed, just rubbing, massage. (Though toe sucking is nice, for the advanced, sexy kind.) Try rubbing your own feet first, to find out which bits feel the best when rubbed. The insole is a good place to give attention to. Some people think that there are pressure points on the heel or the ball of the foot. I don't know if I believe that, but a better way is to rub, and see which bits make your partner purr like a kitten. Depends on what kind of shoe they wear, how they walk, etc.

You can do it dry (though washing of the feet first is advised) or else you can do it with oils (Lush does great massage oil bars that are not all messy) or else with moisturisers (Body Shop Body Butter is the bizniz).

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

If anyone tries touching my feet, I either collapse or spasm.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well, if a person is ticklish, it actually helps to rub *firmer* - that way it becomes more obvious it is a massage and not a tickle.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Kate! They've been one of those things that have passed me by, but I'll do some experimentation, as suggested. :)

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

there are different zones to the feet that when you rub them they correspond to different parts of your body and you can cure some ailments by applying the correct pressure.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

That's reflexology you're thinking of. It is, of course, bollocks.

Well, if a person is ticklish, it actually helps to rub *firmer* - that way it becomes more obvious it is a massage and not a tickle.

Nah, with me, even firm rubs are very ticklish. If anyone tries to do it to me, I start kicking involuntarily.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, now I've eaten too much and I feel rubbish. Like lying down and taking a little nap. I'd have some green tea, but I feel unpleasantly full.

Oh wait! Walk time.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Matt did a five week reflexology course and his footrubs have become even greater as result. Send me straight off to sleep which isn't great if footrub=foreplay, but soooo relaxing and lovely.

I don't know about reflexology curing ailments but there's *something* good going on.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Hello! Another ridiculously busy day... but doughnuts have just appeared in the office.

Best evah chat-up line: 'Hello'

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's all in the tone of voice :-)

Was just talking to the flirty woman at the other office. She said she wasn't very cheerful, and agreed when I told her that she needed someone to come over there and make her happy.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

In other news, I have just installed Oracle from my PC. So it now boots in under 10 minutes for the first time in a few months! Woo!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

uninstalled, I mean.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

My computer's slowing down a fair bit. Should I remove a load of apps I never use, or get the company to buy me more RAM? Think I'll take the phat memory route

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Mmm, bagel. Anyway, good morning.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Urgh. Shall I go home? I'm not *cripplingly* ill or anything, but I'm pretty much required to be in tomorrow and Friday whatever happens. So should I try and grab some sleep/recovery time now before I get REALLY ill?

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think you already know the answer to that one

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Ned, how's things and what's in your bagel?

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. A rest *before* you get sick is always a million times more refreshing than a rest *after* you get sick. Because it prevents you from getting sick(er) in the first place.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

That's reflexology you're thinking of. It is, of course, bollocks.

well, i did say foot rubs are mythical to me.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Ned, how's things and what's in your bagel?

No, it's more that that my bagel is in something now, namely my stomach.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

mm bagel.

Mind you, if I'd left five minutes ago I would have missed my coworker arriving with MOZART BALLS, so who knows what treats I might miss in the final two hours?

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

What's a Mozart Ball? Do I dare ask?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

mozart's balls?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Freshly exhumed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Haha they are yummy dark chocolate praline/fondant things from Austria, with Mozart's face on the wrapper.

Oh and my boss just pipped me to the post and announced she's going home because she's 'tired', so I can't really leave as well :(

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Hack on her and give her your germs.

(And then sneak out, because who's going to catch you if she's gone?)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

surely you should follow the example of the great leader!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

An empty reception desk might raise a few eyebrows.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Say CLOSED ON ACCOUNT OF BIRD FLU and no one will want to come close enough to investigate.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

My computer's slowing down a fair bit. Should I remove a load of apps I never use, or get the company to buy me more RAM?

Do both, obv.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

No I'm lazy and profligate

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

:)

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I have just pulled out my SECOND grey hair in a week! Oh no!

I had a major blitz last summer, and pulled them all out, but now they have grown back. Thicker than they were before.

But still, they are at the stage where I can get them one by one.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Mine overtook me years ago :( That'll teach me to be stressed about work

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I wish I had grey hairs! Instead, my hair is beating a retreat to the top of my head, and it seems to be getting faster :(.

Just found out that I have to interview a band tomorrow. That gives me lots of preparation time. So I guess I'll try and see what old Smash Hits questions I can recycle and go from there...

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone interesting? Maybe we can help you with silly questions. "What would you have on your tombstone?" "What do you keep in your fridge?" etc.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Stellastarr* (the asterisk is apparently mandatory), and well, I've never actually read an interview with them, so I have no idea whether they'll be as fun as the Go! Team (who were rather taken with my sandwich-related questions). But yes! Questions! Both of those have the right amount of silliness, and of course I can also take a poll on their stance on footrubs :)

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to think of actual questions I've asked or been asked...

What's your favourite kitchen appliance?
What's your ideal holiday?
How many kinds of cheese can you name?
If you were made god/king/PM for the day, what would you change? (bear in mind, it cannot be changed back afterwards)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

> (the asterisk is apparently mandatory)

i'm sure if you point out to them that b*witched got there first they will drop such wankery immediately.

oh, heard a great new band name yesterday, made me laugh out loud in fact (although i'm not sure this is a good sign): Nosferatu D2

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't work if you've only heard it pronounced Nosfer-ah-tu.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

that's how it does work.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

lol (that's what i thought too)

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I don't get it then, I thought it was a Star Wars joke.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Do the Oirish pronounce "ah" in some strange way that doesn't sound like "Are" without the R ?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Do the English pronouce 'R' to be distinct from 'Are'? I've been saying them both to see how they differ, and the only result is that I sound like a pirate. Result!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

englishes don't pronounce the actual letter "r" in either "are" or "R", ie they say it the same as the "ah" in "nosferatu"

'cept west country englishes and east country englishes

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

are sounds like ah sounds like R

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 February 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

yerh

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 23 February 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost* Again, thanks, Kate! Coupled with those and a little bit of research last night, I think the interview might not be the disaster I was fearing (well, from the point of view of the questions at least; they could all be miserable and terse when answering :)).

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 23 February 2006 08:35 (nineteen years ago)

englishes don't pronounce the actual letter "r"

Unless they are pirates, in which case they say YARRRRRRR!!!!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

SNOW!!

ARRRRctic pirates!

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 23 February 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

snow yes. and are the office windows open? you betcha!

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 23 February 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

Snow?

Hmm. From Saturday, I'm supposed to be doing some voluntary work. Outdoors. In Snowdonia. I really don't want it to snow.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

Hello! Snow makes me happy. Nice walk in to work.

FP, beware!! – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4741764.stm

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 23 February 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

Erk.

Still, I'm not planning to go *up* Snowdon itself. Even if we are all going over to the Dark Side,* the nearest I'll get will be the base of the mountain.

* this is a technical term. The organisation I'm going to work for currently has two spheres of operation. The Dark Side is the less popular bit, although it's also called that for Technical Reasons.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

The snow was lovely! Young Adam messaged me this morning going IT'S SNOWING!!! but I didn't believe him until I got out in it. I wish it was sticking, though. Bah.

And now I'm fed up with my mum because I have been back TWICE to Liberty to buy her a shirt and get it changed and she is still not happy with it. She won't tell me what she has, but I send her something and she goes "oh, I've got that one already, and besides, it doesn't fit" - WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY DON'T MAKE THEM ANY LARGER THAN THAT, LOSE SOME SODDING WEIGHT, THE ENGLISH ARE SMALL.

Grrrr. If she sends this one back, I'm going to go and exchange it myself for one *I* like and keep it, and if she wants a sodding Liberty shirt, she can come here and buy one herself.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds sensible. Swap it for a scarf and one of those knick knacks in the antiques bit

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even know if they'll give me a refund for it again. Not sure they let me have the receipt back.

Anyway, grrrrr.

I didn't get enough sleep last night. The Boy was sleeptalking and keeping me up all night, and when I finally did get to sleep, I had horrible dreams about my ex. Ugh.

(His friend who was going to see the movie with cancelled on him, so he came round mine instead. I tried to suggest that we go to see the movie I wanted to see, that my friend couldn't make, and he just started rubbishing my taste in films. I could not believe it! Here's a bloke in a Green Day t-shirt, expounding on how "deep" the Matrix trilogy is, telling me that *I* have rubbish tastes in films? Fuck off! And he's done something truly tragic to his hair. Sigh. Oh well, great sex, though.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

how "deep" the Matrix

Well, you know, that film is probably overrated by certain people, probably a quite noisy segment, but that doesn't mean it should be dismiss....

trilogy

Oh. You should probably dump him.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I've *seen* the Matrix. I fell asleep during it. I'm not basing this on the opinions or overrating of others, I'm basing it on the fact that it bored me.

So I can stay quiet about his taste in movies - even when he told me he'd been planning to see Aeon Flux - but I didn't even say what movie I'd been planning to see, and he was all "I bet it was crap" before he'd even heard what it is.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

they are yummy dark chocolate praline/fondant things from Austria

mozartkugel! are they available outside of germany and austria? i bought an embarrassing amount a few years ago in munich but they're long gone. i'd love a fresh shipment.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oo-er missus etc.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

This isn't even about taste, it's about respecting each others' differing tastes. If he can't be bothered to respect mine, I can't be bothered to respect his.

I mean, GREEN DAY T-SHIRT. It's one thing to own an album or two by them or whatever, but to actually own a t-shirt?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I'm rubbishing him now, but he rubbished me first. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I'd only had them in Salzburg before - I don't know where this batch came from but I suspect they had been brought back from a holiday too :(

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Did you tell him off to his face, K, as well as indirectly here?

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. He tried to make a joke of it, though. He's all "why are you making such a big deal out of one joking comment?"

And then I had the nightmares about my ex. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

RUN AWAY!

Or, be cross for a while and then get over it.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

I was so *not* going to be in a bad mood today. :-(

I don't know. Maybe I'm over sensitive at the moment, but many things he thinks are "just good fun and joking" I think are hurtful, disrespectful or negative. I won't even tell you what he said about my whole detox thing. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think I am going to buy some big boots and stomp around. Tomorrow is payday (I think? though I heard nasty murmurs around here that someone f*cked up payroll and we are going to be paid late) and I will either get the pretty peacock skirt at Monsoon or big boots to stomp around in.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want to be in one of those relationships where the couple rubbish each other all the time. I know couples like that, and though it works for them, I couldn't see myself doing it. I am a negative enough person, and I need to be in a relationship that encourages my *positive* side, not just makes me feel more negative all the time about myself and my partner.

I think I shall have to say this to him, quite seriously, tomorrow.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I killed that thread dead. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

Awww.

I am trying not to think about you stomping round in boots. Those thoughts would be wrong

Also, I am trying to spy on the warehouse via our newly-working cctv system

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

who does that work for, kate? i can't think of anyone who has a strong relationship where they're like that in anything other than a gentle, fun-making way.

i have just ate three kiwi fruits and a norange. now i am going to eat broccoli and nonion and carrot and mushroooom and some kind of leafy thing that was in the fridge and potatoes. i am going to be the incredible hulk. also apparently i am giving up bouze for lent, except having sundays off. i may give up crisps too.

in WERK news, the lovely people i registered with on tuesday called me back yesterday morning for some work but i could not do it, bah. but that's got to be a good sign, right?

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 23 February 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

C & D do that, but it works for them, as they're both quite comic book geek type people to start with, so it fits their dynamic. I knew another couple like that, but they have since split up.

Anyway, veggies, yeah. I got parsnip soup for lunch today. I wish I could home make soup at work, but homemade soup I make at home never keeps well and goes soggy and yuck. Giving up crisps? YOU?!?!? That would be an accomplishment. But whoever thought I could give up coffee?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

(I think part of the problem is that A thinks he is joking, but I take him quite seriously.)

Anyway - did you let the agency know *why* you couldn't work? It's important to let them know what days you're already working or they might think you are just lazy. :-/ But it is good that they've offered you something already. Keep ringing them back and asking them/letting them know when you're available. They always remember the last person they talked to when it comes to giving out the new assignments.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

yeah of course i did! i told them when i was there but they didn't write it down and they forgot. i think it bodes well though, they must like me. apparently i also have mad speed-typing skillz.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 23 February 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just having a shit day today. I'm having a very specific problem with a report, and I've tried the tech tip forums and they're all "ooh, open this specific thing and do this" and I've already tried that a dozen times and it doesn't work! Argh.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

My day is not going great either. It's strange how just at the one time when this place is busiest (1 - 2), EVERYONE but me goes to lunch all at once. Has nobody ever heard of a rota? And EVERYONE but me takes a decidedly long 'hour'. But I can't because I have to come back at 1 on the dot to relieve all the people who go to lunch at 1!

And my throat numbing lozenge things leave a disgusting taste in my mouth like old metal pipes.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

My day is ... well, relaxed. My boss has been in a meeting all day, and the co-worker has been over at the warehouse in Another Part Of The Forest.

Plus, this time tomorrow I will be back home and on HOLIDAY TIME! Woo!

I have that lunch-timing problem too, Archel. I have to be back at 1 on the dot so the co-worker can go; but he always ends up taking longer than an hour, because he spent too long in the bookies or something like that.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

Then again, I rarely go out during my lunchbreak anyway; mostly I sit at my desk and eat my sandwiches. Which means I still have to answer stupid questions and am expected to fix urgent problems like crashed printers even though I'm trying to eat my dinner.

Today, I stayed at my desk and read the copy of Digital Camera Shopper that co-worker Big Dave brought in. I am trying to work out if I can justify spending £1500 on a Nikon D200 - and if there is any risk of my parents putting the rent up if they realise I can afford to spend that much on cameras.

(line of thought: I've just got my student loan deferment approved for the next year. But if they hadn't deferred it, due to the high level of incompetance at the Student Loans Company,* I'd nevertheless have been able to afford the repayments. Now, if I *was* going to be making all those repayments over the next year, they would total up to about £2000, which is easily enough to cover the cost of a new camera and maybe a lens or two to go with it! So clearly, I have enough money if I really want one)

* last year they managed to defer three of my loans but not the fourth, and never did return the payslips I sent as evidence. So I'm always slightly wary.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh that reminds me I need to check how many loan repayments I've got left to make. I will have an outrageously improved quality of life once I have an extra £260 disposable income every month.

I am my own worst enemy - I moan about lunchtimes and yet the technician just offered to cover if I wanted to leave early, and I was all 'oh no that's fine don't you worry'.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, the SLC are a bunch of tossers. I'm actually looking forward to being above the threshold this year, as it means I don't have to go through the panic of receiving the "well, as you haven't deferred you loan, you should start paying us £xxx", only for the deferment to come in a week later. Grr.

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

I've lost track of my bloody isnull and if then else statements and it's *STILL* not working. What am I doing wrong? Sigh.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

I was amazed by the SLC this year. They sent me a deferment application for some of my loans. I filled it in, and a week later I got two letters, between them telling me that *all* of my loans had been deferred! Woo!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

(whereas last year, I filled in two deferment applications at the same time, for different loans; one was approved and the other ignored completely. Fortunately the deferment that was approved was the more expensive one)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know what to think about the fact that kate thinks me giving up crisps is weirder than bouze. i drink many many more bouze than i eat crisps! i did not have any yesterday but i did have 3 drinks. but i do eat too many though, and i saw a thing in some trashy magazine that was in our bathroom about this woman that was nearly KILLED BY CRISPS.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Well, every time I see you, you always seem to have bags of Sainsburys or Tescos crisps. I'm not complaining, because obviously, I eat them, too. But I don't know anyone else who eats as many as you do!

Giving up booze is universally difficult, but crisps seem to be your special thing.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

that is because i get them to bring them to rehearsals or gatherings or whatever, when i pick up the obligatory wine! funny, though...

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Now I'm in a really rubbish mood. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

> KILLED BY CRISPS

did a pallet (nearly) fall on her?

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

No matter what I do, it's wrong. I should just give up. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

I phoned up the warehouse just now to see if Big Dave The Co-Worker was still there. Flirty Woman answered and put me through to him - and the first thing he said was "ooh, she likes you!"

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

no, she ate like 20 packets of crisps a day and her blood nearly exploded!

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I am cranky because I didn't get my walk. And I don't feel like I'm allowed to say how I feel about anything any more. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Aw Kate :-(

(I think you should feel free to say whatever you want, personally)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

fp, it's not about not being allowed to say anything, it's about the best and worst places/ways to say things.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

In that case I'm not the best person to ask for advice - I am renowned for saying the wrong thing and the wrong time

(as well as the wrong thing at the right time, or the right thing at the wrong time)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost*

Go FP! :)

Kate, your kitchen appliance question got a raised eyebrow and a laugh, so hurrah for that! (it was a very short five minute affair in the end; the first thing the guy from the band said was PLEASE DON'T ASK ME ABOUT THE ASTERISK. Oh, these decisions come back to haunt you. And he invited me to their show in Chapel Hill in April, so I guess it wasn't too bad ;))

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think Big Dave was just winding me up, to be honest. He was a bit suspicious that I liked her when I took her some chocolate on my way to London last week.

(he says she's not his type himself - a bit *too* forward and dirty-minded for his taste)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I genuinely can't imagine why anyone would put an haterisk or any other non-alphanumeric characters in band names. Actually I even frown on numbers.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

??! what is a haterisk? I mean ASTERISK.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

"haterisk n. A small symbol of a hat used as a footnote indicator, or in a band name."

-- The Forest Pines Dictionary Of Useful Internet Words, p. 492

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

'haterisk n. A symbol akin to an asterisk, in a band name, that archel HATES'

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

I will bear your contribution in mind for the next revision ;-)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost* So how is Big Dave getting on with his darts, eh? :)

The only thing I can say in the band's favour is that the drummer seemed as pissed off with it as you, Archel!

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Did you read today's blog post, Ian?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

xxxxpost haha archel you're on a roll with the freudians

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 February 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost*

Ah. No I hadn't, and of course, now feel terrible...:(

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 23 February 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just getting angrier and angrier and feel like I'm working myself into a total snit but I can't seem to stop. Bah. Maybe I should just go home. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Home, Kate! Hopefully tomorrow will be better!

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 23 February 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get to go home yet. Also, I'm starving hungry, which doesn't help.

I'm just hating everything, and not seeing the point of anything at the moment. And feeling harrassed from every angle. :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and one more piece of bad news. I've been turned down for life insurance. Freaking great... :-(

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

life insurance is a con anyway.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Turned down flat, or offered special terms? Didn't you have to get that all sorted out when you got your mortgage?

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

No I hadn't, and of course, now feel terrible...:(

There's no need for *you* to feel terrible about Big Dave beating up scumbags.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

(I accidentally referred to him as Dave at work today, which was slightly confusing, because that's not actually his name)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

Good day. *sneezes*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

re the bbc distributed network climate change thing. the guardian ran a piece yesterday (which didn't mention the bbc project) but which did point to a report that said normal 8 hours a day pc usage (an Athlon) would cost you £79 a year, running SETI continually would be closer to £400.

http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,1715269,00.html

> her blood nearly exploded!

sounds painful.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

It's nearly half-nine. I am going home at twelve. And then I am going away for a week. Hurrah!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 24 February 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

Have a good time, FP!

(I've decided to clean the office. Because 1987 vintage breakout boxes aren't really needed anymore, thank goodness!)

carson dial (carson dial), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

Hope you have a lovely week off FP. I am just going to get through today and then sleep for three days.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

It is snowing beautifully outside.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

Hurrah for your week off, FP!

They didn't want to give me life insurance until 2007. Sod that. My advisor told me to apply to a different company he knows - that it might be more expensive but they won't put me through the ringamarole. Sigh. I have to have life and critical illness cover to cover my mortgage in the event that I get hit by a bus or something.

Anyway, I'm feeling somewhat slightly better today because I stepped on the scales this morning and this detox has caused me to LOSE HALF A STONE!!! To reward myself, I went and bought myself a beautiful skirt and silky vest thing which make me feel like a princess. I think it's better to reward myself with beautiful clothes rather than food. It was expensive, but I will tell myself that it was all the money I am saving by not drinking. I am going to cheat at lunch and have a hallumi sammich, though, because I wants one.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

Because 1987 vintage breakout boxes aren't really needed anymore, thank goodness!

If you had my boss, he'd tell you to keep it for sentimental reasons. We still have a 1990 RS/6000 which would be running AIX if it could still boot, and some of the associated serial-terminal paraphenalia, because he won't let us throw it out.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Yay Kate. Is there anything you've given up on the detox that you haven't missed at all, that you might not go back to? Sometimes I go for ages without drinking and don't miss it - if I could persuade myself that it was chiefly booze which made my weight go up and down I'd probably stay off it much more... but eating chocolate FEELS fattening in a way that beer just doesn't.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I was surprised that I didn't miss booze at all. Then again, I haven't really been out this week. Obviously, caffeine was the hardest thing to give up, but now I'm off it, I'm not in such a hurry to go back on it again. The weight loss on that count came from the "having green tea without sugar instead of choccacino with loads of fullfat milk and chocolate" aspect. Refined sugar... I just want it back, because it makes things like my breakfast porridge *taste* better. But maybe control my usage rather than cut it out. Bread, I don't really eat that much of, so I'll just continue it being a once a week sandwich thing. Chocolate... I think the key is to eat the high cocoa low fat/sugar stuff, which I actually prefer the taste of anyway.

I think what I'm going to do is the "lent" thing - but instead of Sunday as my day of sin, I'll have Saturday. That was I can eat my high cocoa chocolate and drink my sherry on Saturday and be really really healthy the rest of the week.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

(And Booze is *such* a weight gain thing - last time I gave up, I lost a stone in a month!)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Yay Kate!

(I'd keep some of it if I wasn't quite so strapped for space, FP. Does anybody really need a 486SX processor sitting in their office cupboard? I have one in my draw at home, but then I am a little weird that way (I once tried to get one of the huge DEC/Alpha machines home when I was working for Oxford Brookes, just so I could run Linux on it and stand as a proud geek))

carson dial (carson dial), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, that would be cool. Our RS/6000 is fairly small, no larger than a big x86 server.

The last time we tried to boot it, it came up with a "cannot detect network bootable volume" error - I had to google for a list of AIX error codes to find out what the error code meant.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

do you like molasses kate? i totally get what you mean about needing something to make porridge etc taste more of something, but i got some molasses from the hippy shop and it's really really good in teas or porridge etc. i suspect it would be foul in coffee though. but it's packed full of irony goodness! or honey, obv. apparently a teaspoonful of manuka honey a day does wonders for you...

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

Hrmmm. I used to use honey, but it was more expensive than sugar. I do like molasses - I generally use quite dark sugar in porridge/tea anyway as I like the taste.

It's only really coffee that needs light or demarrara sugar, and that's one thing I've decided I'm staying off (except for special occasions and treats.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

A health food shop man once told my mother that a) she should put molasses in her porridge b) she should drink a teaspoon of cod liver oil per day.

However, the mother thought that as cod liver oil is VILE on its own, she would mix all three together. She managed about three spoonfuls before giving up as the mixture was so disgusting. And then she put the bowl in the dishwasher, and the cod liver oil, when heated by the water, stank out everything in there. A huge cloud of cod liver oil steam is not something you want to smell when you open your dishwasher.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ewww!

Archel (Archel), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

A huge cloud of cod liver oil steam is not something you want to smell when you open your dishwasher.

EW EW EW what sick fuck came up with eating cods' livers? i had one once and it was filthy. in a bad way.

heh xpost

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

Turns out they were right about the cod liver oil all along, as it contains healthy and essential Omega 3 oils which FEED YOUR BRANE.

Oh god, ILX speak is infecting everything I do. I just sent this email to my line manager:

Subject: I am teh clevah!

I have got the percent report in descending order of percent.

Some of those quotas may not be right, as I used the most common quota statistically for ones where there was a 0 value in the quota field, as obviously, I cannot divide by 0, bad things would happen, infinity, oh noes!

K

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

The brain is something like 70 to 80% Omega 3 oil based fat!

And the most common place to get that oil is from oily fish, specifically the liver of the oily fish, which is the most oily bit of it. You can also get it from seeds and nuts, which is why I always eat Walnuts with my porridge (also they are teh num) and take linseed oil in capsule form, but still.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

It's strange isn't it that it's always COD liver oil, and yet when being advised of what fish is oiliest and therefore bestest, cod and white fish is way down compared to salmon/sardines/mackerel etc. Is it just harder to get at the livers of sardines?

Archel (Archel), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

Well, these days, it's "fish oil" and it comes in capsules.

But I suppose Cod was just the most plentiful in the north Atlantic in the former days when people forced that down childrens' throats.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

There is a big Seven Seas fish oil plant in Hull, on Hedon Road. It stinks.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, it's time for me to GO HOME! Wooooo!

(I am going to spend the last five minutes going round the other offices looking insufferably smug.)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

yay! Have a good holiday!

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

i did once try and buy some flax seed oil (which is the vegetarian equivalent) only to find they only sold it in gelatine capsules. the fools.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

haha koogs yeah i think i found that too! eejits.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 24 February 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

You can get the actual seeds, as well, but I would feel like a bird eating them.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

(you can get brown glass bottles of liquid flax seed oil as well but it's not as convenient)

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

OHmigod, my entire FLOOR (except for 2 people) has gone out to lunch together. Cause it's "work your proper hours" day or whatever.

I'm going to run out and get lunch in a minute, solely because I want to leave work early. (For me, that is.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah I've worked 9 hours overtime this week, but I usually get paid for it so I'm not going to start working to rule today.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get paid any overtime at all, and usually do at least one hour a week. However, as I'd already booked half of today off I didn't exactly feel like working my proper hours.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get paid overtime, either. But I don't have "regular contracted hours" any more, either.

(Then again, I'm not even got a contract, so...)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

OK, now I've had my halumi sammich, well... the halloumi was nice, but the bread was just kind of... ugh. It's sitting like a big brick in my stomach. I'm sure I am going to feel sleepy for the rest of the afternoon now.

AH well, I should go for my walk. In a few minutes, when this bread has stopped feeling like a brick.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

what kind of bread was it? i just had bread with like 956905 different kinds of seeds in that was cheap in sainsbury's yesterday wiht the end of last night's soup. it feels cleaner than white bread somehow.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

It was brown bread - it was some kind of cibatta or something. Bread just doesn't really agree with me.

Dammit, I'm trying to pay my gas bill and no one wants to take my call. If they don't want to take my money, well, that's their problem. I've moved suppliers anyway, so what are they going to do; cut me off?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

This is so stupid. They're trying to get people to pay online, but then they ask you to register. Why would I register? I'm LEAVING, basically because their service is so crap.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I've been told not to pay EITHER of the bills that they've sent me, that they will send me a revised one when my new supplier contacts me. O Kaaaaayyyyy...

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hello
I resent these really busy days when I can't post more than once to a thread then have to get on with something else :(
But I've nothing exciting to report, so probably it's just as well

beanz (beanz), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Right, I've got home, had my lunch, written next week's blog posts (only one every two days), and now I suppose I'd better start packing. I really am going now - have a nice Next Week, everyone

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

You too!

beanz (beanz), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

when i moved into my flat 6 years ago i phoned someone to find out who supplied me with gas and was told that nobody did, i wasn't registered. bit of a surprise because the heating and cooker worked fine...

centrica bloke on the news was funny the other day, complaining that they only saw half of their reported £1.5B profit after taxes. i make that half about £2M a day, the poor things.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Nice walk!

Yeah, I keep reading these things in the papers about record breaking profits for British Gas - and then steep rate hikes because of "wholesale price increases" and I just think "fuck right off."

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

bloke on news pointed out that centrica, the parent company, was legally unable to use profits to soften gas price blow.

that said, and this may be more relevant to recent oil prices than gas, these prices are increased and increased but it doesn't cost them any more to extract the stuff or transport it so the increase is pure profit. market forces, eh?

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Well, their profits won't remain high for long if they keep losing customers...

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

I've been buying sandwiches from the corner shop up the road from us for lunch for a few months now, in a (mainly) successful attempt to wean myself off the chocolate & crisps, but recently, as per above, the bread has been giving me horrible stomach pains akin to indigestion, and has been bloating my tummy out. It's big enough already! I don't need it getting any bigger! What to have for dinner now?

Off work to-day w/some flu-like bug. Feeling better now, though (which is good) which means I'm back tomorrow (not so good)

Whilst laid up ill, I had this idea for a community-memory type website. I worked out an entire concept in my head. no idea how to code it, though, or even if it's possible to code such a thing.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

I made it worse - I had a cookie as well, and that with its sugar has just made me feel awful. Ugh.

I get this feeling where it feels like my esophagus is made of cardboard. I heard (while I was working at the nutricionist) that lots of "wheat intolerances" are actually caused by allergic reactions to the type of yeast used.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

I am sick too. Bleah.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

chickpeas and spinach and lime and brown rice, pash.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

oh no! everyone is sick! housemate a is too. sorry to hear that ned :(

make a ginger lemon garlic etc mashup and go to bed with a dozen duvets...

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

decent (and comparatively priced) alternatives to bread anyone? i think i may need to cut down. (although, to be honest, it's probably the chocolate that should be first to go rather than something with at least some nutritional value)

ditto milk. is buying organic milk from sainsburys hypocritical?

pash, 'community-memory type website'. please explain.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Why would it be hypocritical to buy organic milk from Sainsburys? I think the more organic stuff you buy at Sainsburys, the more it forces them to stock. Which has got to be a better thing.

I don't usually eat bread, which is what's weird. I tend to eat rice a lot more. But I didn't make a curry this week because I was busy. I got less hungry when I ate curry than when I ate soup.

WRT chocolate, don't eliminate it, as it does actually have good for you stuff in it. Just eat higher cocoa content chocolate.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

sorry to hear that ned :(

No worries and thanks! I am in work briefly to take care of a few things but will leave mid-morning and go home to do nothing for the weekend but rest. Alas this means missing ArthurBall in LA, which saddens me. :-/ But other good shows are coming up!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

> Why would it be hypocritical to buy organic milk from Sainsburys?

the organic thing doesn't sit well with the big supermarket thing. especially given lord sanisbury being one of the big investors in genetic modification / biotech stuff.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Well, for some reason, I think it's better for consumers to try and push large corporations into more ethical behaviour. Boycotts don't work, but directed consumer action works in a consumerist society.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Still ill here too, but just about to leave work and probably go to bed for three days hurrah! Three days asleep would actually be the best holiday I can imagine.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Dammit, GO HOME GIRL!!! and get some sleep.

Sigh. My mum just rang for no apparent reason and was surprised that I was at work. LIke... did you forget what day it was?

And I'm a bit... eeeeep. Because I'm going round to Young Adam's tonight for the first time. :-O

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Does he live with his parents? (sorry)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. They are away, otherwise I would not be going round.

Yes, I feel awful, like a sodding cradlesnatcher, but he moved back in with them in order to pay off his debts. That just makes him sound irresponsible and feckless. Heh.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Bah.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, I was joking, argh. Er, have a nice time anyway! See you on Sunday!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

> WRT chocolate, don't eliminate it, as it does actually have good for you stuff in it. Just eat higher cocoa content chocolate.

sainsbury's basics, 41% cocoa solids, 100g for 25p! part of me wishes i had not spotted this when i popped into town earlier.

oh, and re: The Matrix and it being 'deep'. just tell him that The whole premise of the first film is little more than a condensed dramatization of Descartes Meditations, specifically the first and second (of six) mediations, frequently excerpted for textbooks. Many have noted the connection with the Myth of the Cave, found at the start of Book VII in Plato's Republic, but the Cave Myth is effectively incorporated into the mediations by Descartes, and also the myth does not directly involve the technical problems Descartes proposed.

(etc. http://www.rimric.com/folio/su03/matrix.htm the dvd extras talk about Baudrillard's Simulcra And Simulation and other such stuff (nothing i have read myself). i only watched it for CAM in a shiny leather catsuit.)

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Also 'know thyself' should be in Greek
I'm working, I'm not really here

beanz (beanz), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Bah. Is anyone here?

I've had a rubbish weekend and I'm desperately in need of cheering up.

Ah well, at least I've got some lovely new green tea which has JASMINE in it and tastes like drinking flowers. Lovely.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm here. I like jasmine tea. But I am soon to head out for errands, just waiting for PR to get back to me more about press trip, but there's nothing for it until she does.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to hear it, Kate :(. A lego recreation of Brokeback Mountain to brighten up a Monday, perchance?

http://destinationdaniel.smugmug.com/gallery/1213678/1/56764726

carson dial (carson dial), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it would help if I'd actually seen Brokeback Mountain, but, typically, I've only read the book.

I want to go and see the Gothic art thing at the Tate, I keep seeing reviews of it that make it look really good. It was in Country Life, as well.

Also in Country Life, James Blunt's dad in the letters page (hah!) and my ex's former house in Wiltshire, back on the market again. :-( In the picture, you can see the window to the room where half of Shimura's set was written.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

Did you see the Country Life exhibition at the Soane, Kate? I saw a blurb about it and thought of you.

sgs (sgs), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Do you know, it's 50 yards from where I work, and I haven't seen it? I keep walking by it, when it's all shut up and closed. I wonder if it's still on. I'll go over on my lunchtime walk and look. That would definitely cheer me up.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

that piano tuner of earthquakes thing was on The Cinema Show over the weekend. first time i'd heard of it despite being a Brothers Quay fan. it looked, er, as incomprehensible as everything else they've done 8)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

It's gone from the Renoir. Wah! My friend's eyes will be fixed by Wednesday so I wanted to take him to it to celebrate and give his newly healed eyes something interesting to look at, but I can't find it showing anywhere.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Kate, it might have shut already, but I know they'll have stuff in their bookshop about it. Plus, the Soane, it always cheers me up.

I didn't know that was Brothers Quay, Koogs!

sgs (sgs), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Hello! Another rotten busy day. Had quite a good weekend though. Free tickets to football (sorry Kate I won't mention it again) and nice dinner and walking yesterday.

Really want to go to the Gothic Tate thing too. Maybe next weekend.

Why is lego anything so brilliant? I wish I had time to play with lego :(

beanz (beanz), Monday, 27 February 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

Work is not the best place to be having an existential(?) crisis. Sigh.

I'm reading a silly book though - How To Deal With People You Hate or something like that. Unfortunately, it's mostly office based. But I've already found myself in there twice. However, I haven't found much advice for dealing with the specific kinds of person that drives *me* crazy.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps pictures of bluebells will cheer me up. When is bluebell season again? April?

http://www.oncf.org.uk/images/thumbnails/bluebell%20wood.jpg

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

More bluebells:

http://www.countrysideinfo.co.uk/bluebell_gallery/bluebel1.JPG

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Hullo hullo. I have had a sneezy weekend, and am also The Sad due to Octavia Butler's death. :-(

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 February 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Morning (?), Ned!

Well, well, well. Just had a phone call which I nearly didn't pick up due to its being a private number. And it turned out it was the amazing vanishing shrink.

Scheduled a time to "talk" on Thursday. We'll see if he actually turns up. :-|

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

I went for a walk around Lincolns Inn Fields. The Country Life exhibition ended 1st February. I feel like a nidiot.

However, I walked around the law courts and discovered this beautiful little antique silversmith around the back. They had lovely pearl necklaces and antique jewellery. My father still owes me a chunk of money, I might ask him to buy me a string of pearls. (no seX0r jokes, please, that would be icky.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, and I was WONDERING WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE ROYAL COURTS OF JUSTICE this afternoon when I wandered around them.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Winner! That's cheered me right up.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

I hope they throw the book at him!

(heh heh heh. Sorry.)

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

But Kate! If they were able to successfully argue that Brown is a plaigiarist, the historians could say the same of the Brothers Reid (what do you think a Jesus and Mary Chain is, anyway?) and have at all their profits too. Much as I hate the whole DaVinci Code industry, it's just interpretation of influrences on the part of the author, who is writing FICTION.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Music has a whole nother industry designed to prevent and financially punnish plagiarism. Copyright law in music is based around the idea that a song is its lyrics and its melody. Although loads of bands may nick/borrow/be influenced by the sound, feel, etc. of another band, it doesn't go to court unless there is provable lift. And lots of bands *have* been burned that way - e.g. Elastica v. Wire.

Have you *read* Holy Blood/Holy Grail? DVC has lifted its entire back story. It crossed the line between influenced by/homage to, and crossed over into the realm of plagiarism. Not to mention that Dan Brown is a smug twit and a poor writer and deserves to be punnished for that, as well as his lack of originality.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

[Brown] called his villain Sir Leigh Teabing. It has been suggested that the name was a deliberate part anagram of the surnames of the authors of the earlier work.

"Suggested"? "Part"? Doesn't this belong in the inner circles of the bleeding obvious?

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

I think one problem with the plagiarism angle is HBHG's purported nonfictionness. If historical research reveals something new about the past, doesn't this knowledge in itself then become some sort of public property? But if Leigh & Baigent were suddenly to say "haha no sorry, we made it all up, it's fiction innit!", then this would certainly be plagiarism.

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

xpost hahahahah, Brown is a tosser for that.

Kate, I meant JAMC got their name from HBHG, that's it.

Hopefully there will be a lot of pickup of HBHG because of this case, if anything - I really do not think the historians will win, or that Brown is original, but as to having an actual case to answer, that's a different matter entirely (I shall ask J upstairs, who is an IP lawyer).

suzy (suzy), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Except Leigh & Baigent didn't make it all up, a bored old French aristrocrat (can't remember his name except it had St.Claire in it. Pierre Plantard St.Claire or something like that? I should google) made it all up.

x-post

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

OK, the cleaners have now left. I should probably go home. Sigh.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Monday, 27 February 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

Morning.

I need Something To Look Forward To.

Suggestions, anyone?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

A new series of Doctor Who soon, complete with the return of K9! Or were you after something a little less shallow? :)

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

Which I won't get to watch because I'm not got a television.

::throws self off bridge::

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning! I can't think of anything right now.
How about gothic Tate?

http://www.phespirit.info/pictures/patchwork/images/p008.jpg

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

This weekend seems to be gobbled up already - maybe I'll go and see it next weekend.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, so we've deferred bridge-jumping for at least 12 days. Success!

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost*

Oops - I'd forgotten about that. How about the onset of Spring and thus bigger potential for long walks on a Sunday? Lots of Boris in the news when he reports back on his plan to fix higher education (admittedly, it may help not to pay too much attention to what he's actually saying)?


carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just feeling pretty frustrated and disappointed with almost every aspect of my life right now. Sorry to be so tiresome as to repeat this again, but it's pretty tiresome to feel this way, too.

I need to find something which is just purely pleasurable, without stress and annoyance. Though that probably just doesn't exist. Or maybe I need to stop expecting anything from other people, I don't know.

Or maybe just realise that *I've* changed, and stop trying to get pleasure out of things I've outgrown.

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I'm confused. Is Boris Johnson in the shadow cabinet, or isn't he?

Boris and the Johnsons (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Streatham Common is also having a KITE DAY again on my birthday. I suppose I should start thinking about birthday plans.

I'm supposed to be going out to dinner with a gang of my mates tonight who I haven't seen in ages, but THE MOOCHER will be there which just makes me already tense before the food has even been ordered, let alone the bill split.

Why do I let little things wind me up so much that I'm unable to enjoy the whole big thing?

Funny Screen Name (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Shadow Higher Education Minister, right? He's definitely on the front benches, so I wonder why he's not on that Guardian page?

oooh, kites! Lots of fun...although one of my childhood traumas involves my imaginary friend playing with a kite, an electricity pylon, and my mother telling me that he can't come back after getting 10,000 volts across him...

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, blimey. That sounds awful. I didn't know kites could be so dangerous, they seem so harmless and fun. :-(

Funny Screen Name (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, he is. He's just not on the front page.

Ha ha, I like the crack about his "charity shop" clothes. Bless.

Funny Screen Name (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

And going for the kids with the Lion King reference! He's special, although, obviously, still a Tory (boo!).

*xpost*

I think I was inspired by a public safety film that had lots of children falling to the ground because They'd Been Flying Their Kites Near Electricity. I would have been quite content to let Sam get up, but I think my mother seized on the chance to rid herself of my make-believe friend.

I've almost forgiven her :).

But! As long as there's wind about, kites are great! Especially when you do geeky things like strap a cheap-o digital camera to the underside and take aerial pictures! And for general flying as well.

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

Mean mum. That's such a traumatic way to get rid of an imaginary friend. Especially since imaginary friends are generally a sign of heightened creativity in a child.

Funny Screen Name (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

I have a feeling that her family's history of mental illness probably played a part in that. Talking to imaginary people must have reminded her of her brother (he's schizophrenic), so I guess she was worried and wanted to try and put a stop to it as soon as possible. She did apologise years later ;).

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

(and hey, she's making pancakes tonight! So she can't be all bad!)

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

Making pancakes, vs. killing imaginary friends... hrrrmmm. Close call.

Funny Screen Name (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

I vaguely remember a grossly unpleasant film they showed us at school about a kid who kicked a ball into a substation and went it to fetch it, with predictable sizzling. But there was something in it that someone said which was so silly, we tookk the piss out of it for weeks afterwards. Wish I could remember what it was. What a great anecdote, huh? I should be on stage.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

But there's that great safety icon to keep people out of substations and transformers and stuff, which is this glowing man being lifted off the ground with sparks coming out of him.

There was a dronerock band in Portland that used to use it as a logo, let's see if I can find it...

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

It looked something like this:

but the dronerock band obviously made it a bit more... psychedelic.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

I remember that very public information film you refer to. It was scarier than the kid getting squashed by a train one, but nowhere near as frightening as the spirit of canals & deep water one, or the ghostly childrens voices in burnt out nursery one.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

Errrr... that's a bit mysterious. Try this one:

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/SIX/SIX137/040SI1.JPG

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

Except not in, errrr, Welsh, natch.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god the canals one rings bells

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

I like the sound of it... but I like spooky canals.

Grrrr, I'm getting more and more pissed off. How hard is it to answer an email? I'm just feeling more and more frustrated and less and less appreciated.

I'm reading this stupid book called "How To Get Along With People You Hate" and all it's making me realise is how other people trigger my worst behaviour.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

They also showed us American Werewolf in London on rainy games days when we were about 10 so gory public info ads needed to be pretty hard-hitting to make an impact.

Kate maybe you should look up Amazon for a book called 'How To Get Through Reading Books You Hate' :)

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it was in an attempt to try and learn social skills. (The funny thing is, the person who lent me the book is a person who triggers my worst behaviour quite often.) It's made me more aware of what the problems are, but even more of a loose end at how to solve them. :-( I guess, and realising that I'm lots of people's nightmare person because I'm so obsessively task focused.

Anyway, whatever. Scary public service films. We never got shown these. The only one I can remember is one for my driving test which showed a woman who had been dragged through a windscreen/shield (to this day I don't know what the bloody thing is called). It was really vile.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

Hi everyone.

So, should I apply for a job that's still here but in a different department? It's about the same pay, similar duties, supporting some interesting projects but definitely nothing to do with libraries, which is where I SHOULD be looking for jobs.

But not much is coming up and I'm bored. On the other hand it's fixed term initially til October, which isn't long considering all the hassle of starting something new.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know... questions to ask...

-Will the "culture" be different - will you be better supported, work with less idiots?
-Will you get off a customer facing role?

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

That AIDS gravestone one scared the bejesus out of a seven-year-old me, not helped by me watching the news and thinking that everybody was going to die by the end of the year. Lots of bad dreams and scary thoughts.

(I am trying to resist the Green & Blacks chocolate bar in my bag. So far, my resistance has left it two squares shorter...)

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Hm, I don't know what the culture will be like. It's strange because I like a lot of the people in my current dept but as a group we seem to be really negative. I don't think there's any way to detect this stuff about a new position until you're in it. (Though interview can help. If I get one!)

It's still customer facing to some extent in that I'll be dealing with all enquiries, but not phsyically on a 'front desk'. That would be a relief.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

You might as well look into it if it's only till October I reckon. That gives you plenty of time to look for library stuff with a deadline at the end of it.

xpost I remember being taught at school how Aids will kill us all using the rice-on-a-chessboard thing. The assumption was that everyone would have 3 partners iirc and the world was predicted to end for humans somewhere around 2020.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, I want chocolate. I wonder if I'm pre-menstral.

Oh god, I am, no wonder I'm so cranky. I should go for a walk and then get some high cocoa content chocolate. It's OK, I'm allowed chocolate when I'm PMSing.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

morning! i have been to ILFORD and back today. i bought a cheese and onion pasty there, it was nothing special.

but THE MOOCHER will be there

is that me? i feel like i have been doing this a lot lately :( i mean i know everyone's aware i have no regular ££ coming in but i hate it.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's snowing :(

I want a Casiotone MT41.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

these 2 things not related.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

it was snowing when i went out this morning. just a very l i t t l e, but it made me disproportionately happy.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

No, Emsk, you are not the Moocher. You know the Moocher, Mr. Other People's Cigarettes himself.

I saw no snow today, which is weird. I've seen snow most other days.

I now have a brick of 70% cocoa Green and Blacks. And I walked past the shop with the pearl necklace again today. Still, I want it. It would be very bad to blow my mortgage padding on a pearl necklace, wouldn't it? (Besides, I'm not even sure if pearls are ethical. I certainly wouldn't eat an oyster, but I'm not sure if they kill them to get the pearls out.)

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ohmigod, I just ate about a third of that G&B bar and now I can eat no more. It's too rich. What's wrong with me? I used to be able to gobble one up as soon as look at it. Detox has ruined me.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

i decided against the cheapo sainsbury's dark chocolate today (partly because my teeth already hurt when i walk) and am now eating the aforementioned pumpkin and sunflower seeds and feeling like a rabbit.

looked up 'moocher' having been not entirely sure of the meaning. it's very odd that halifax should decide to use that tune in their new ads then.

ha ha, my plan to subvert the workplace by getting them to use 'message to you rudy' as the test file instead of the usual pop tat seems to be working...

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

oh good. phew. i think i may have had a bit of a hand in making it be cheapo byo vietnamese rather than pricey sushi, er, go me! and oh, him, got you. the snow was pretty early. i left the house at SEVEN THIRTY wtf. now it is time for something to eat, i am feeling slightly sick after nothing but coffee at 7am and a pasty at 1.30.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Dammit, now I feel stupid because I bought punkin seeds and sunflower seeds to nibble at work this, but forgot to bring them. I am teh stooopid. Bah.

I feel kinda like I'm on drugs after all that chocolate.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

I am definitely applying for this job. Because there's now a very very small but existent chance that my current department will be closed down. Great.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no, Archel - what's that about? Still, might as well put in an application, just in case.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

SNOW!!! better snow than this morning, too!

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Happy St David's Day/dydd Dewi Sant! I have a daff in my buttonhole.

There's been no snow down here, only lovely lovely (but cold) sunshine.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

Grrrr, I was in a good mood this morning until I got into work and read my email and basically the conslutants have decided to start treating me like their sodding support desk.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

omg dydd dewi sant hapus i totally forgot. um. yeah!

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

Errr... it's suddenly gone all Welsh in here. Help. I hope this doesn't turn into the Welsh Dream.

Anyway, I have to disappear into month end reports today so I can't make any more than flying visits.

Also, I am reading the most enjoyable book in a long time, all about Infinities. Oh yes.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

I decided probably not to apply for that job - I want to get a library job AND get out of this place, not just move positions for the sake of change. I will try to be patient.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

Ah well. Patience is good. I think. If it was going to be more of the same, probably not worth going through the hassle of changing jobs.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, argh, argh.

On so many levels.

Cuair Crithlonracha (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

Even the simplest of reports isn't working.

I feel like crying.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

format c:


hellos!

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

Hello g-kit. Where you been?

Now no one is answering my emails. And everyone in my office has pissed off down the pub while I sit here and sweat through end of month.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

God, I'm the most negative person in the world right now. Seems like not even pictures of bluebells or berries will cheer me up.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

-bash: format: command not found

8(

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

i not been anywhere really. just not got much to say.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

You don't have to have much to say. Just whinge like the rest of us. ;-)

I think I should adopt a new attitude: "If you don't care, why should I?"

I feel like people are abnegating their responsibility to care onto me. And I'm not having it.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, actually, no, it's my job. Argh.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

It's your job to care? Or just to do stuff? Either way I hope things start looking better. I have just changed my desktop wallpaper to daffodils woo.

Weirdly, it is literally Matt's job to care. I don't think I could do his job.

I'm having a good day apart from WEIRD BANANA oh no. All hard and mealy.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

do you want to hire me to fix your reports for £20 an hour?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Well, no, it's not my job to CARE, as in properly care, but you know - give a toss? It's hard to explain. Well, no it's not. Part of my job, as MI Manager, is to make sure at the end of the month (when I produce the reports) that the reports and the data matches, exactly.

Now, when all the Monkeys and the Conslutants are inputting this stuff, they don't give a toss whether it goes in right or not, they just want to make their figures look good by the end of the month. And it's my job to go through and pick out all the MISTAKES. And I just get so frustrated by all these errors. It's like, I'm the giant subeditor in the sky, and why should they bother getting their stuff right when they know that I'll fix it for them?

But lately this attitude seems to be just leaching into everything I do, my social life, etc. I go into super-organised mode, and get really wound up by disorganisation.

Except last night, I went to a dinner that someone else had arranged. And it was so... pleasant! I didn't have to organise anything, round up anyone, make any reservations, worry about anyone being late, do anything, except turn up, have a drink, eat my dinner and chat to my friends. And it was so relaxing!

I just don't feel like I have enough things like that any more, where I can just turn up without having to *worry* about anything any more.

Anyway, this is procrasturbation. I'm going to eat some lunch and then dive back into these stupid datadumps and see what other shining showers of shit the monkeys and conslutants have left for me.

Other than that, OH NO, WEIRD BANANA, OH NO! I hate that. :-)

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know what you're saying to me. at all.
i'll just read it as "g-kit pwns!" if it's all the same to you.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

x-post, no, I want you to fix the bloody MONKEYS and CONSLUTANTS, but I'm not sure how much mob hits costs these days. ;-)

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

haha go ken, big pimpin!

I often slip into the fixing/organising role too, I wonder if there's a trick to NOT being like that in your personal life. I would like someone to teach me if so.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

oh i was offering to be a consultant.

create a data quality report each month and name and shame the slack inputters, innit

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Ken, we were at one point (a very drunken point, after the Gala Dinner) going to do our own LEAGUES OF SHAME for slack Monkeys and Conslutants, but funnily enough we've not had time.

It's the typical war between sales and finance where they think we're beancounters and we think they're slack bastards who would cut any corner or sell their grandmothers (and us) to win a client.

Archel, I don't *enjoy* things when I'm in Super-Organised Mode. I just feel like it's one more stress in an already overstressed life. So I guess it makes me very Not Fun to be around in those kinds of social situations. (Which in itself probably makes people not want to be around me, or invite me to other social situations I don't have to organise.)

I don't know. I was hoping CBT would help me sort this out, but we all know how badly *that* turned out. (Though I'm supposed to be meeting up with the Disappearing Shrink tomorrow.)

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Sigh. Lunch over, back to the sodding reports.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

i get half an hour for lunch.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

Hello! Mag went to press last night so I can relax for a couple of days. Or can I? – meetings all day so far. Ugh.

Does anyone know how I can view an access database from my mac for free? I know FA about databases and I don't need to do anything except maybe add entries.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Errr... Access in Macs? it is one of the great mysteries of the universe. pretty much the only way to do it is to install a PC Emulator to float on top of your operating system, and view it in there. I'm not really sure how.

I am happy because I went to Waterstones and came back with a joblot of cheap books. Hurrah!

Including Sinclair's London Orbital, which, surprisingly, I have never read. Also The Bus We Loved and a book about eclipses, a sociological treatise on drugs in history and a book about the Black Dead in Scotland.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

I thought you might say that :(
Which Waterstones? Is it a proper big sale or just one of those bins filled with remainders?
Black Dead or Death?

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Duh, Black Death.

It is the Waterstones attached to the London School of Ecognomics. I was thinking it would have more great MATHS books like my big book of infinities.

And yes, it's the big remainder section. They're all hardbacks, though, which is nice. Until I have to lug them on the bus.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmmm, good morning. I'm more coherent now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Morning, Ned!

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Morning Ned

Kate I used to live near a plague pit in Edinburgh. Now it's a corner of a park where the uneven ground makes it perfect for golf links.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Excellent! I love inventive modern uses for plague pits that DO NOT DISTURB THE PESTILENCE. (i.e. not that modern horrible addition to Spitalfields that dug up the charnelhouse.)

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

does OpenOffice read access databases? does OpenOffice run on macs?

um, answers appear to be 'maybe' and 'maybe'. Base (the access-y bit of openoffice) is said to be attachable to access and there's a mac option on the OO download page.

there's always the odbc / jdbc option. maybe. 8)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

I have OpenOffice (well, it's about 2 years old now, I think) and it doesn't do Access. Are you saying there's an upgrade which does?

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

I have OO too and it doesn't but maybe there was a bit I unticked when I D/Led it.

I tried to look for a free ODBC/JDBC driver but gave up bored after about 10 minutes. I'll keep looking.

Thanks for advice, I'm marginally less confused than I was.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

OO opened it like this:

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beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Open Office has moved to version 2 recently and now comes with a database module called Base. this claims microsoft access, er, access.

http://www.openoffice.org/product/base.html

"For more advanced requirements, BASE supports many popular databases database natively (Adabas D, ADO, Microsoft Access, MySQL), or any database through industry-standard ODBC and JDBC drivers. It also supports any LDAP compliant address book, as well as common formats such as Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Windows, and Mozilla."

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

i think you may need to attach to a running access server rather than just loading the files in. have never done this myself mind.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

omg i am in an office with an ACTUAL WATERCOOLER i think this is the first time this year i can legitimately post on this thread. hurrah! also, if temping is always like this i am totally gonna do it more. hurrah!

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

If you are hanging around the watercooler drinking free coffee and posting on the interweb loads, yes, this is what temping is like.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

i'm next to the watercooler but i haven't had any water from it. i have had a free eclair and a free biscuit and i have been playing on the interweb, yes. hurrah!

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, now free food we don't get here (much), so I should look into that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning

I'm still confused about databases. I've got OOv2 but no Base so I'll try finding that. By the time I've sorted this out I might actually be able to join in the database conversations... (I doubt it though)

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

I have NeoOffice which isn't the same. I'm too dumb for this malarky.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

Hello everyone. Aren't the days getting long? It's wonderful!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno. are they? i just woke up! :D

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

Morning.

Sigh. Just back from my therapist.

I still didn't get much of a reason out of him for his absence, except some kind of vague "personal reasons" but then he said that whatever it was, it was affecting his ability to be calm and non-judgemental, and he was worried that if he'd been working, he'd have caused more damage by saying the wrong thing. I don't know. I just lost it in the session and couldn't stop crying until I started on some totally random and dispassionate conversation about London Bus Routes. I don't know if that means I need to carry on therapy or stop or what. I guess I feel a bit better for having had a major crying jag. But I still feel pretty raw.

I need to make some big decisions. But I don't need to make them right now.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

Well you already know it's a long process I guess, so give it a couple more sessions to get back into it and rebuild your relationship with him maybe?

I downloaded openoffice but despite its promising name, it won't actually open. Ugh.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

bluddy hell :( he's prob right about not being able to be calm and non-judgmental, but ARGH that doesn't excuse no one letting you know he wasn't going to be there or answering your calls!

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I told him that not knowing was the worst part - it's always the worst part. Of everything. Unfortunately, I have a very vivid imagination, and in the absence of information or reply, I will always come up with the worst possible scenario. :-(

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

emsk otm it was idiotic

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 2 March 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Why is the Southern Railway website so rubbish?

What do people generally want when they look at train websites? Timetables! Why make it so hard for us to get them?

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

It keeps the old-school train mystique that way.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 2 March 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

Cos they don't run on time and they don't want anyone to know. Maybe.

Update on my database situation cos you're dying to know: I thought I needed x11 but when I tried to install it, it said I already had something 'newer'. But I don't have x11 and I don't know how to open openoffice. I must be really dense.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 2 March 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

No, you need a floating operating system thing to run OpenOffice... at least that's how mine is set up. Then again, I didn't set mine up, Ed did - where is he, he would know!

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

I am sick of adding New Users. I wish they'd just stop hiring new bloody conslutants and monkeys.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

Awwwwww, MAAAAAN!!! it just isn't fair. One of the more annoying of my colleagues went to a gala dinner/conference thing last night (I know because she was swanning around the office in her ballgown all afternoon) and it turns out that BORIS JOHNSON was the keynote speaker AND she got to meet him.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRLGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

It just isn't fair. :-(

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I would have had to sit through another of those boring, interminable, horrible gala dinner things, but still. I might have enjoyed it had I known I'd meet The Boris.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

NeoOffice manages fine but it's not got what I need :(
I might give up on this. Or at least give up from poluuting this thread with oh-noes-boring-computer-problems

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Have you tried asking here?

Oh no! More boring computer problems! Oh no!

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Well um no. I was too lazy.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 2 March 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

dunno anything about macs, sorry beanz. did read about the X11 requirement but thought that was standard on all new macs. dunno.

how complex / confidential is said database? and what are you planning on doing with it? am just thinking that porting it to, er, mysql or something might let you at least read it / query it.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

You will actually need to launch X11 before you launch OpenOffice.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

There is no point to life.
There is no point to death.
There is no point in continuing our meetings.
There is no point in not continuing our meetings.

There is no point is going out.
There is no point in staying in.
No point in gaining weight
And no point in keeping trim.
There is no point in answering the phone or opening the mail.

There is no point in getting drunk or doing drugs
And there is no point in staying sober.
There is no point in needing someone and no point in being alone.
There is no point in doing nothing and no point in not doing nothing.

These are all good points, yet none of them lead anywhere.
None of them are points at all.
There are no points.
There is no point.

-King Missile

What a great song.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

I need to keep off these quiz sites, they make me too amused.

You Don't Have a Boyfriend Because You are Too Busy


http://images.yournewromance.com/whydontyouhaveaboyfriendquiz/too-busy.jpg

While a relationship sounds nice, you're strapped for time

Whether you're legitimately busy or just making excuses...

... You don't give men enough of your time.

As nice as "instant love" would be, there's just no such thing.

Why Don't You Have a Boyfriend?

Also, I came up as an Extrovert in their test. In what WORLD?!?!? am I an extrovert?

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Ah but how can a point lead anywhere? Then it would be a line!

God what a boring day I'm having. Boring meeting followed by mind-numbingly boring task for faculty member, followed by nothing at all.

And my long-awaited dinner out last night was a bit of a disappointment.

Sorry you missed the Boris kate, how annoying! And I think you should carry on the therapy, fwiw. Seems like your therapist was doing the most professional thing, from his point of view, even though it backfired and had far worse consequences for you than he intended. If it was helping you before, it would be a shame to abandon it.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 2 March 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Not a mathematical point, Archel! A philosophical one! Sigh.

Sorry your dinner was rub. What was the matter? Was the food just kind of meh, or something else?

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

give me more of your time, kaet.

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Go away, I'm busy. :-P

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well I have vented on Pumpkin Publog but basically it was supposed to be a 'special offer' eat posh for £10 thing and it wasn't really that special. I don't know why I didn't remember that I don't even like smart restaurants - too intimidating and I'm always thinking 'bugger this, I could have made this at home and eaten it in my pyjamas'.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

:(

kaet haet

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Argh. I feel like crying now.

All the work I just did yesterday, all the work I did last month - USELESS - because this sodding guy decided YESTERDAY to update some records from last year.

So now an entire year's worth of reports are totally useless. :-(

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

omghugglez2u

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

I am feeling your pain through the magic of a proof copy for the upcoming D. Coupland novel. It's all about workers trapped in a large tech company, so far as I can make out already.

also true GOSSIP: Coupland to interview Morrissey for 0b$3rv3r.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

sniffles.

I went for a walk, and now my colleague is making me camomille tea. I hope it does not put me to sleep, but just makes me calm.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer rescue remedy. Hug.

I was just having my mid-afternoon cup of tea when I noticed it's actually 5pm - what have I been doing all this time that I thought it was 3pm? Oh right, filling in forms for my annual appraisal yech. Only an hour til I can go home then woo.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

I've decided not to do it tonight. I'm going to do it tomorrow. Though we shall see how I feel once everyone else leaves. I may just download the stuff while no one else in on the system, then format it and check it tomorrow.

I ate myself. I want a pie. (kate), Thursday, 2 March 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Morning! I hate wishing my life away, but tonight can hardly come soon enough. American Idol, apart from anything else.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 3 March 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

American Idol? I am confused.

I am a happy girl. Shoegazing wub and lovely boys wubbed my troubles away. I want one.

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

Also, hurrah! We are playing the Truck Festival! Double super happy girl!

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

That's very cool
American Idol's on ITV2. It's compelling.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

tell us about lovely boy? the [random person] boy from other night has moved into my head, gah! i knew i should have accosted him *bangs head on desk*

also truck has sold like 2000 (of 3500 i think) tix already... anyone wants to go they should buy tix sooooon.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

No, just boys in bands, not real boys.

Jeebus, is there a Truck Festival thread? I will look.

And which random boy was this, Emsk?

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

i think charlie started a truck thread last year or the year before...

dear guy at the pleasure unit tonight with the woolly hat, long coat and pretty indie girl, who the hell are you anyway? do we know each other? i kept having to look at you all night and i couldn't even work out if it was because i thought i recognised you or because i thought you were good to look at. you were doing the same damn thing - do you know the answer?

-- emsk (vomit.quif...), March 2nd, 2006 12:19 AM. (later)

the more i think about it the more i think the answer is "both". i *swear* i have met this guy somewhere, and had a conversation, but for the life of me i cannot work out where or when. and the fact that it's bothering me means i must've thought there was something very good about looking at him. he likes teh shouty indiepop though (shooting at unarmed men were playing, jon off mclusky's new band) so chances are i will see him again.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

Aaaaahhhhh... you have probably met him before at a gig and talked to him. The London indiepop scene is this big }{

I have searched and cannot find a Truck Festival thread, but maybe he called it something silly like PEARY IN OXFORDSHIRE!!! or put it on the ILM board. Oh well, I will have to revive a Shimuras thread or start a new one or something.

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Aaaaahhhhh... you have probably met him before at a gig and talked to him. The London indiepop scene is this big }{

yeh i know. but usually i remember, place or time or what we were talking about... perhaps i was heroically drunk. unlikely, i know, but it could happen. i have a vague feeling his accent is from the norf-east but that doesn't really help. perhaps he is just in a band, and that is why i think i know him?

**HELLO BOY IN HAT IF YOU ARE READING THIS I WILL BE WORKING AT THE BUFFALO BAR TONIGHT PLS COME AND MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT ME SIDEWAYS ALL NIGHT IF YOU ARE NICE I WILL LET YOU IN FOR CHEAP kthxbye.**

I have searched and cannot find a Truck Festival thread, but maybe he called it something silly like PEARY IN OXFORDSHIRE!!! or put it on the ILM board.

i think it was on ilm. start a new one!

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

I would feel funny starting a Truck Festival thread becuase I've NEVER BEEN! You start one!

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

eheh ok! i need to have a chat with them first which i am going to do i about 1hr, then i will start one.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

Emsk do you know a sound engineer called 5h@ri?

beanz (beanz), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

i... 'm not sure. possibly... i always meet a lot of ppl at truck who i then never see 'til the next year. s/he?

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

She. From Liverpool originally. Sometimes at the buffalo bar. Not sure what bands she's working with right now though. Oh well.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

sometimes works at BB I mean

beanz (beanz), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

ah. i don't know what thread i'm on. i don't think i do... i have only worked at bb once before. 'twas fun though!

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

There are too few pinball machines in London

beanz (beanz), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

Sigh. I want lunch, but I don't fancy what I brought. I'm actually sick of curry. I want a hallumi sammich.

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

well i can't make you one, i'm BUSY :P

we don't always get what we want.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

Well, then I will go to the SHOP and buy one!

I think this is the kind of hangover that needs food thrown at it.

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

A band I was in a few years ago (sl33py p30ple) were going to play @ a truck fest, or at least the main guy from the band claimed they were going to, but they split, sortof, before playing. He spoke quite highly of it. what is/are the criteria for playing? (he asked, somewhat self-servingly)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard of them - through Emsk, I think.

The criteria are a complete mystery to me.

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

i'll throw food at you, kaet. food fite?

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Food fite! Food fite!!!

Except now I am eating nummy Green and Blacks chocolate and I'm not throwing that any anyone because I want to eat it all myself.

Grrrr, in the 2 minutes between running the datadump and the report, the data shifted. How am I supposed to do my job under these conditions? I wish I could kick people out of the database while I do this. :-( The only time I get accurate results is if I do it after hours or at the weekend.

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

no grrr plz. it's friday and everything.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I just had to go in and explain to the Big Boss why the reports are taking so long. Because I'm trying to shoot moving data! Duh!

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Well done on the truckfest spot, Kate. When is it this year? I am considering going, though only if there are tickets left (didn't realise how fast they were selling).

I am going to look at YET ANOTHER FUCKING HOUSE again soon. I'm getting pretty tired of it. Plus we are running out of time before we have to leave our current house. I can see us sleeping on sofas soon.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 3 March 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

pash that's the band tiny was in, wasn't it? i have an ancient tape demo of theirs somewhere... or maybe that was popacatapetal... or do i have both? perhaps i will reopen the Big Tape Box sometime soon. criteria - get stuff sent to them yesterday, might be too late already. they always have 5486596 bands wanting to play. they just pick bands they like which works well because they all like different types of stuff. afaik they put all the submissions in a big box then everyone takes home 5 or 10 of them to listen to then brings them back next week and takes different ones until they've all heard them all, then they fight it out. also the budget is miniscule so you'd have to be prepared to be paid very little or not at all. loads of bands play for free, if you're coming far you might get travel.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

You still don't have a house yet? Damn!

It is the weekend of the 22nd July. Book tickets now! They're going fast. x-post

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm, that is Chris' birthday. Can you get us into mad backstage part-ays?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

backstage is another field! it has lovely cows by it though.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

i am hella tired today.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

Then I will rephrase the question to ask if you can get us into mad cow-field part-ays?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

We can bring our instruments and do an impromptu slot, forcing their hand to let us on the stage.

Possibly.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, he was in them originally, when they were a family-meets-gong type band (who were great) again then he joined again briefly just before I got hoofed, and shortly thereafter the band seemed to cease. I didn't speak to him much, but he seemed like an ok fellow, if rather quiet & shy. IIRC the 2 ppl who ran the band are now running a veggie restaurant near newcastle. Occasionally you'd see tiny wandering around in ncle, he's quite noticeable, obv, but I haven't seen him for years & have no idea what he's up to now. he was advertising for musicians abt 3 years ago iirc, but I didn't fancy it for some reason. Pop-a-cat-a-petl was what ultrasound were called before they were called ultrasound, I think?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Suddenly I am aware of the way the words 'mad' and 'cow' accidentally appeared next to each other...

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Also, think how cool it would be to have a tourvan to invite cute boys into backstage! ;-)

Sorry, this is continuing a conversation we were having by email. And nothing at all to do with lovely TISSP and his lovely friend and mad backstage par-tays. With cows.

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

you can even pretend to be me, but nobody will believe you.

that was for tissp, multiple xposts.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

We will smuggle in g-kit in, as well! Hurrah!

No, no, Mad Cow disease is so last year. It's all about BIRD FLU now. It's a dairy farm and not a poultry farm, right, we should be OK?

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Kate are you indirectly suggesting that myself and Chris no longer qualify as cute boys?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not easy to smuggle, i tend to meow a bit.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

I was being ironic.

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Good good. Carry on ;)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

he must be cute, he claims to look like me (lol)

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

> upcoming D. Coupland novel. It's all about workers trapped in a large tech company, so far as I can make out already.

microserfs, service pack 2? 8)

koogs (koogs), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

I take it back. The resemblence does not exist. xpost

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

you're not cute then.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Boys, boys, you are all cute. There is no need to fite!

All Is Wub (kate), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

very diplomatic, kaet.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Dear The Cock nightclub empire: please stop sending me trickling spam while I wait for more important, urgent mails.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

I am back from looking at the house now. It was pretty poor. Oh, and NO SHOWER*

*though apparently there is one going in.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Hello there.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 March 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Morning! How's it going?

beanz (beanz), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm tired. I need a holiday to recover from my holiday. Being back at work isn't helping.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yay, FP is back. Tell us all about your holiday!

I feel rubbish. I should have had a nice, relaxing weekend, right? No, I spent all of Saturday coming down with a miserable cold and all of Sunday in bed. I should still be there now, but I'm getting worried about running out of sickdays and it's only March. Argh. Have run out of lemsip, too. :-(

All Is Wub (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

Who has stolen all the showers?!

Hi FP, welcome back. I always feel disastrous on returning to work after a holiday. This is why I often go nowhere with my annual leave but instead use it up lying in bed watching DVDs - much more relaxing.

Though plans to use my June holiday drinking beer and watching Wimbledon at a TV-owning family member's house have been dashed by people actually being organised and booking a trip to Germany.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

do you have a hotty botty, kaet? (lol)

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

What on earth is a hotty botty? I have The Lurgy is what I have. :-(

I could do with a hot toddy, but I'm still not drinking.

All Is Wub (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

a hotty botty! a fit bum! hot water bottle.

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

I have neither. :-(

All Is Wub (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

Archel you could offer to TV-sit for them?

Without a TV, you'll have missed PLANET EARTH which started last night with cuet polar bear cubs and amazing shots of birds of paradise trying to attract mates. It was a bit of a jumble though – not sure if the 'seasons' or 'sunlight' theme or whatever it was worked well. Just lots of cool stuff from all over the place.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Things I did on my holiday:

Went to the birthday party of someone I'd never met before
Cut up some dead trees
Fixed some dodgy phone cables
Laid over a mile of cable for phones, and a quarter-mile for other stuff
Drank homebrew cider and G&T
Got the piss taken by everyone else - all real-ale people - for drinking G&T
Went up some telegraph poles
Rolled a train downhill with no engine
Built a snowman.

(not all on my own, obv)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oh GOD, I want a television. It's OK, though. Instead of watching TV yesterday, I read a book about the history of narcotics and drug addiction, and then wrote a song about the Grand Unification Theory.

x-post

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

but... but... how can you drive a train with no engine?

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

how can you get better without a hotty botty?

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

FP that sounds very cool. Wish we had enough snow for a snowman down here.
What was the train thing about?

Kate I wish I didn't have a TV cos I have no willpower and a big pile of unread books

xpost she needs someone else's hotty botty clearly.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

Oh it's ME who's going to Germany btw, not the TV having people.

We had a visit from the TV licence bovver boys on Saturday, but they only looked in one room of our flat which seems odd given the effort they expend on threatening letters. Not having a TV hasn't prevented me becoming addicted to Lost via teh curse of DVD though :(

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just waiting for the TV License Bovver Boys because I'm all HA HA, NO SERIOUSLY, NO TV!!!! Sigh.

And I got a free Guardian on the train. I always like when that happens. However, the person who left it got off at the stop before mine, so I didn't get to read very much of it. Ah well, save it for the trainride home.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I was working for a railway company with a proud history of working trains without engines. The line was deliberately built on a slope so that if you're going one way you can just roll downhill without an engine.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but how do you get the trains back up to the top of the hill? Do Oompa-Loompas pull them up?

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

You have to use engines for that bit (although originally, they used horses)

Nowadays *supposedly* the Gravity Trains are only run on special events - but if you're up the line on a works train, the works train has possession of the line, and you need to work in two places, it's easiest to split the train up, leave the engine with the bottom bit and gravitate the top bit down to meet it when you're done. I am not sure how officially we were allowed to do it, but we did anyway.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Warping spacetime to get your train to the bottom of a hill. What an idea. I should have known I was feverish yesterday, I couldn't stop thinking about gravity.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

I blame the birds.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

birds are not to blame for gravity.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

I went out to the sage & the baltic yesterday. A rare art outing, post parenthood. At the sage was the japanese robot drum ensemble, which was great, I mean really entertaining. At the baltic was a group exhibition whihc was absolute piss, except for one of the artists. Real tampon-in-a-teacup stuff. I suppose we got some entertainment out of how bad it all was!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

They are to blame for flu, though. Damn poultry. x-post

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

I also bought Carol Clerk's Hawkwind biography on friday night, and read it over the weekend. Dear god, they were even more hopelessly inept than I imagined.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

kaet has birdflu?

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

Awww, bless. x-post

Modern art often just seems like such a crapshoot. I kind of don't bother with is much any more (just had my limit of the bad kind with Joe and his mates). I don't even get entertained by taking the piss out of it, just annoyed. However, robotic arm sounds cool.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I'm officially bored now.

And kind of annoyed because of the endless lists of things I'm supposed to be doing - half the things are taken off that I haven't done, and the other half the things are things I either HAVE done already or have told my boss WHY I can't do them. It's making my life more confusing, not less. Grrrrrr.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, my long post about railway working must have sent you to sleep.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 March 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

The bird flew because there is gravity.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

I think the gravity of bird flu is overstated.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

but if the point isn't elevated it'd fall on deaf ears.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

So apparently the i-D with us in it will be out on 9th March. I don't believe them any more. Sigh.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, peppermint tea is great. Especially for the birdflu.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Afternoon, all! I am in a good mood today, becaaaaause...

We have finished recording our EP! I finished mixing and mastering on Saturday night, and am sat listening to it now, making a list of the niggling things that need changing.

Now I just need to fill my time that I would normally have spent mixing in with something else (I didn't realise how addicted I'd become to the process until I hadn't any to do yesterday...)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

Hurrah for finnishing records!

Spend the time you would have spent mixing WRITING NEW SONGS!!! On a sequencer, which is a bit like mixing, but more fun. (I hate mixing - do you want to mix Shimura Curves so I don't have to, if you like it?)

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

I would love to have a stab at some Shimura mixing (I promise I will actually get round to using those samples you sent me).

I did actually have to stop myself writing new material yesterday. I went for a lovely walk in the country instead. And watched an Arrested Development marathon.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

I am feeling crap (and doomed) again now I am back in the office. Mind you, I was starting to feel crap (and doomed) towards the end of last week anyway, so it isn't necessarily the office's fault.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Hullo hullo. Yay the Monday.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

I watched a lot of Arrested Development yesterday too! (And American Office and Lost and The Mitchell and Webb Situation.)

Also, I had my geeky, loves-forms-and-questionnaires-of-all-kinds dreams come true when I was selected to take part in the national radio listening survey this week. I have to fill in a diary all week saying what stations I listened to, when, where and for how long. THRILLING ISN'T IT!

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

No Archel you will become a marketing tool!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

I like Arrested Development marathons. I have about 3 Series One episodes and all of Series Two on DVD and unwatched.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

We need to get series two on DVD. Is series three out yet?

(Yes, I could search the web, but this would kill the conversation. DO YOU SEE?)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

It would be easy for me to participate in one of those surveys. I DO NOT LISTEN TO THE RADIO!!! So I wouldn't have to fill in anything.

I have never seen Arrested Development. I'm starting to feel really, really out of touch now I no longer have a telly. :-(

My book about DRUGS is turning out to be very interesting, though. Everyone in the 19th Century was whacked out on Laudanum, all the time! It was considered perfectly OK to sink a grain of opium then go and stand up and deliver an address in front of parliament. Goodness!

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

In fact, "search the web, kill the thread" will become my new catchphrase. Possibly.

(xpost to meself)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

I can recommend getting hold of a DVD of AD Kate, as it is ROFFLETASTIC.

I was told by our drummer the other day that while emptying out the cupboards of his grandmother's (I don't remember why), they found a bottle which looked to be some kind of medicine... from 1939! On closer inspection, it actually turned out to be morphine!

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

I don't mind being a marketing tool, if they market to me! I mean, provide me with more of what I want and less of what I don't want. I'm about to turn off Radio 2 for example, which may have the ultimate effect of stopping phone-in shows on the BBC. (Well I can dream.)

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

I generally don't find comedies funny. I've not got a sense of humour and all. :-/

Morphine, blimey! What did they do with it? Just curious. Did they alert the (ha-hem authorities), or just experiment with it themselves?

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately the story never got that far, because the band came on (we were at a show)... I will make a point of asking him.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, Archel, that sounds like something I would have loved to have done back at university when I actually listened to the radio (I would have done my doomed bit to try and save Mark & Lard at breakfast for a start).

I have spent all morning in a meeting about moving our current home-grown database system to a standard school system. And I'm apparently the project manager for this little task. To make matters worse, a previously-booked holiday means I'm having April off - just when we get started. Woohoo!

To cheer myself up, I raided HMV and Blackwells at lunch, picking up the new Neko Case album and a book on the 1984-5 miners' strike. Yay for music and reading material! Boo to databases...

carson dial (carson dial), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

Morphine is fantastic stuff.

Not that I, errr, know anything about it. Oh no.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

I do wish I had seen the wee polar bears last night... but hurrah for DVDs.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

"sweetly charming and twinkling nursery / toy box pop"

heh heh heh, that's me? Errrr...

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

I do wish I had seen the wee polar bears last night but i ran out of morphine.

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

my new band is called the Mighty Morphine Power Rangers

ken c (ken c), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

get ye to msn, you cark-parking, bus riding motherfucker.

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

There's polar bears in Lost but they're not the cute sort.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

My personal morphine experiences are limited to administering it to somebody.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

Lunch made me sleeepy.
I know a guy who got hit by a bus, breaking several ribs and putting him in hospital for some weeks. He said it was worth it for the morphine.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

Heh heh, I finally got hit with the "I was arrested for..." game and discovered I was arrested for singing in Sainsburys! That sounds rather like me...

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

teh kit i'm now back at work and no msn! you should like get on google chat.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

My personal morphine experiences are limited to administering it to somebody.

-- Forest Pines (il...), March 6th, 2006 2:18 PM. (ForestPines) (later) (link)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lunch made me sleeepy.
I know a guy who got hit by a bus, breaking several ribs and putting him in hospital for some weeks. He said it was worth it for the morphine.
-- beanz (beanzil...), March 6th, 2006 2:22 PM. (beanz) (later) (link)

it may be deja vu, but i'm sure i've read this exact passage of conversation before!

ken c (ken c), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

(but not the lunch made me sleeepy bit)

ken c (ken c), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

We have exhausted all possibly permutations of lunchtime chatter and are now repeating ourselves.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

what's the "I was arrested for.." game? and did you really get arrested for singing?

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

it may be deja vu, but i'm sure i've read this exact passage of conversation before!

As soon as I hit submit I wondered if I'd posted that before somewhere

beanz (beanz), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

No, it's a game, you type "g-kit was arrested for..." into google and retrieve the first thing it answers.

I'm back from the chemist now. Damn, if this were 200 years ago, I could have just asked for 200 drops of laudanum. That would sort this cough out, post haste. But instead I have to make do with Beechams. Bloody government, always trying to ruin our fun. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

I have just settled down to listen to the new Mogwai. Our three o' clock meeting has been cancelled. Everything is falling into place.

(Evil laugh)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

I can't get any with the quotes in place, but without, I get g kit carries risks!!!

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

that makes a lot of sense.

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

I want laudanum and I want it now.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.poetryconnection.net/images/Elizabeth_Barrett_Browning.jpg

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wow I just found a job advert for an admin assistant in the WIG department at Glynd3b0urn3. Pretty specific! Still, opera hair probably is a full time job.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Duties include: 'maintaining the wig database'.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Ohmigod, I would LOVE to maintain a wig database! That sounds like the best thing ever!

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I know!

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

i found a lot of stuff about 'dlink wireless g kit'

the kit! (g-kit), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, all the criteria you could sort by... colour, style, length, historical period, male or female or androgynous, what performances the wig has been used in, which singers have worn the wig... oh god, I've got the tables half designed in my head already.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I spoke too soon. The meeting was not cancelled and my listening experience was RUDELY interrupted. Curses.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Also, my hands smell of Jim Beam. Discuss.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

1. drinking jim beam the night before
2. masturbation

ken c (ken c), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Ken you should be on stage with a trick like that

beanz (beanz), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

I should have got something with at least codeine in it. I still have headache. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so confused. Supposedly straightforward software for importing data into quark files... I've actually had to open the manual :( And it doesn't help

beanz (beanz), Monday, 6 March 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

What's going on with ILX? The new answers page has disappeared. Has some idiot tried to HaX0r us?

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Oh. It's back. That was freaking weird.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, no. That was just in my cache.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah. Curious :(

Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 March 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

God, my life work is so empty without ILX... :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Eh?

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Monday, 6 March 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Wow this day is dragging already and it's only 9.35. Half my colleagues are on strike and most of the students seem to have taken that as a cue to stay at home as well.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, and I'll bet that usually they cross picket lines and blame the workers for not being there.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

Today is tedious and full of dumbness so far. Someone just asked for my opinion on something and clearly it wasn't what they wanted to hear, because almost immediately they said 'Actually I'm really busy, let's talk about it next month'. Wtf? Actually that's nothing to get pissed off about really. I'm just not feeling great today.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

Me neither - I came down with a real humdinger of a cold last night but I've had so many days off (holiday/sick) lately that I didn't feel I could justify staying at home. And I forgot to buy lemsip on the way in and Soho is notorously rubbish for chemists.

Beanz, you free for lunch at all next week?

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Mark - Berwick Street Somerfield, at the bottom of the market, has what you need.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

The picket line is apparently being quite aggressive and telling students that there is no teaching and to piss off home again - which isn't true as only one union is striking. I am supportive of the AUT's aims but they're not the only union and neither the NUS nor any of the support staff unions are officially supporting strike action so if it's a question of loyalties...

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

Though as it's now bucketing down with rain being on the picket line can't be much fun.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Mark – yes! Was thinking the same thought yesterday. Will email in a bit.
What about Boots at Piccadilly Circus?

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Suzy and Beanz - the P Circus Boots is just that little bit too far away to drag myself to, sickly, but Somerfield can have my custom for its overpriced meds. I wonder if I'll lose my appetite? That woudl be good.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Am I still ill? You bet I am. Poor Markleby, if you've got the same thing. I'm lucky, this neighbourhood is served by about 6 different chemists. I think it's the Freemasons. Sigh.

Had some Colcannon soup last night (num!) and went to bed early with my big book of 19th Century Drugs (last night's chapter was about Chloral, which doesn't sound as fun as laudanum) and felt OK when I woke up - until I got out in the rain. Bah.

Archel, I reckon you should go on strike and go home.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

I think I have left it a bit late. Also, I have my annual appraisal this afternoon, eek. 'The employee's appraisal could not be carried out because she had bunked off on the pretext of industrial action'.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

Eek. I hate those things.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

Damn. That is the suX0r. I'm stupid - yesterday, the owner of the company kept telling me YOU ARE ILL, GO HOME, but like an idiot I stayed until I finished what I had to do.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Hello everyone! I am in a splendid mood once more!

We have been making a band shopping list, full of exciting and expensive audio gear porn.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh man, I'm jealous. Right now my gear pr0n list is "headphones, microphone". Sigh. Oh yeah, and a tuner.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

I have been ebaying for photo gear porn myself. I rather fancy the new Nikon D200, but I need to wait for the price to come down a bit from the £1300 RRP - so in the meantime I'm looking at nice s/h lenses.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

Prepare to become more jealous–current highlights of the list:

MOTU 896HD
Korg ES1
Korg KP2

(xpost)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and ou can get a tuner for like £10 or something if you don't mind the quality...

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

I admit my photo-gear porn knowledge is minimal, other than really wanting an old beat up SLR camera to take landscape pics with.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

I got a cheap tuner - and it broke within about 2 months. I need something that can function as a stage tuner and take a bit of abuse. Oh, how I miss my Arion. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: Well, if you want an old beat-up film SLR, now is the time to buy.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

isn't there a pharmacy right off soho sq on frith st?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

called watsons?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

I got a cheap tuner - and it broke within about 2 months. I need something that can function as a stage tuner and take a bit of abuse. Oh, how I miss my Arion. :-(

I have a Fender pedal tuner that cost me £50 years ago, so perhaps that's come down in price by now...

Well, if you want an old beat-up film SLR, now is the time to buy.

How so?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

national SLR throwing tournament is on this week.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha, one of my bandmates is getting into Reason. I don't know whether to be really really excited or really really scared! Tee hee.

Also, I somehow got myself signed up to write a Plan B column this week. Argh! I'm going to be doing Music That Time Forgot and I'm really torn about what Great Lost Album I should rave about. Right now, it's between Medicine and Love & Rockets. Or even Bauhaus. Argh, I don't know. What's my favourite lost album? I hate having to write columns because it's like being put on the spot. Same as why I never contribute to those kinds of threads on ILM. I think Medicine are more "great and lost" than L&R or Bauhaus in that loads of people know about the latter while not so many know about the former. And they should, dammit.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: Because there was a bit of a glut as SLR users switched to digital. There aren't as many around now as there were a year ago, but they are still fairly cheap to get hold of.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, perhaps I will try the local pawn shop then...

I wouldn't be too worried, Reason is easy to get into but fucking difficult to master. (xpost)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Kind of like assassinations.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not worried - I'm actually kind of excited. I've been trying to persuade her to take a more active role in songwriting. (Which is hard because she seems to get discouraged easily.)

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, what am I going to write about?

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

There are some good looking medium formats as well... I can't look at ebay cos otherwise my flat would be filled with useless cameras. I might treat myself to just the one though.

I'm so pissed off – spent hours formatting a quark doc with fields for data to be imported. Never used this feature before so I'm learning by trial and error. The manual isn't very helpful. I keep importing the data and it's not right, so I go back to the template and re-do, or I go back to the data file. All ok, just boring, until – wham, I accidentally save after import. No undo! I've lost the template and have to start from scratch. I was being so careful and I can't work out how it happened :(

Lunch time I think.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, I hate when things like that happen. Not that I understand Quark in the slightest... But still. Lunch is always a good idea. Not that much will penetrate my headcold. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

hey hey

who's having a good day so far?

the kit! (g-kit), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

lol

mine is pretty good. got some work done and now going for lunch! yay! tasty

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

i'm in high spirits today!
i planted tomato seeds last night. i don't even like tomatoes, but i fancy growing stuff.

the kit! (g-kit), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, last night I dreamed about planting flowers. I had forgotten that. But then I got embroiled in some pimpin' murder mystery.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, there is a new Alex James video out, apparently. Will I ever get to see it? Probably not. Damn. Maybe the single will have the video included or something. Sigh.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

I dreamt I was on the bus this morning. When I was actually on the bus. My dream life needs a little sparkle, I think!

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it would be OK if it was your Dream Bus, full of beautiful women who wanted to ______ _______ and ________ ____ your _____ _____

(feel free to fill in the blanks - I did have particular words in mind ;-) )

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

K: not only that, it has Betty Boo in it. I love Alex, he's such a fucking gent.

Write about the LP that moves you and is easiest for the readers to go out and GET. Then just write about the movement the record makes in and of itself, and what things that calls to mind. All this will answer the 'why' minus any worrying rhetorical flourish.

/procrasturbation.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

This is for Plan B. It's not about shifting units, it's about writing about music that you love. Besides, there's always Slsk.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost*

Hmm. I think I can guess *part* of that, FP!

*off to walk in the miserable rain to our other campus...grr*

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Hahahah. I will email the missing words. Hopefully they'll be a pleasant read when you get to the other campus!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

"Lick your love pump"?

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

I am not going to answer any speculation. So there.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

K, chill out, I did notice who it was commissioned by, and my point still stands. There is a great deal of difference between 'this is great and you can find it in a shop/yo reissue!' and what you write about music, but it's the writers like you who make people engage enough to care about the subject of your attention. But hard choice between the three which I don't envy you!

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

OK... "punch your face in" ???

I can barely taste this curry, which is upsetting, as I know it is good. Oh wait, I had a sudden burst of parsnip, but that's about it.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

I am not going to answer any speculation. So there.

:-P

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Ignore your random guessing?

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

To change the subject: I'm getting annoyed by the co-worker today. He's been whinging about the amount of work he has to do - but before he went out for his lunch he spent over an hour doing stuff for the second job he has on the side, which he's rather careful to keep quiet about. At first I was thinking it's no worse than me posting on ILE from my desk, but - he's getting paid for the extra work he's doing, as well as the time he spends here.

The trouble is, it's not a firing offence - it only would be if he was working for a direct or indirect competitor. And I'm the only person who knows about his other jobs. So, if I were to complain, he'd know it was from me, and we'd still have to work together.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

If on the whole he doesn't completely suck, just let him know that you're feeling a bit edgy on his behalf, and maybe he should be a little more discreet.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm. I'll see how it goes - he's been doing weekend consultancy stuff for them for a while, and he's hinted that there might be money in it for me if he needs help with stuff; but they have been calling him more and more during the day.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Hello again! I am back from the shops! My good mood has become even better.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

What did you get at the shops? Any music techie gear?

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/37/109205567_786257b4f4.jpg

Oh yes.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Aaaahhhh! I haven't played with one of those in years, but they are fun. I knew I should have kept it in the divorce. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

I bought one of those guitar magazines to read on the metro. In it, they reviewed a guitar that had a kaoss pad actually built into it - the screen was behind the bridge. WTF of the month, though I suppose if it was fitted to a guitar w/a sustaniac pickup...?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my. Now there's something else I have to buy.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

I am such an idiot. In order to avoid letting on in my appraisal that I wanted to quit, I steered the subject onto all the possible new initiatives we could try, which unfortunately my boss rather liked the sound of. Meaning I have now given myself more work.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Well if you're going to quit, you don't have to really worry about this, surely?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I might not quit IN TIME though! Ie. I have to find another job first.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

So anyway, having a FAP in Westminster Abbey, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Wrong thread, Ned!

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

We can talk about it here, dammit!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think we should have a FAP in Cambridge. But I would.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I have been thinking over what I mentioned at yr party Kate, and I am liking the idea of an ILX bands night that I could organise.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

WRONG THREAD, NED. you need to post to middle class rofflez.

ps FAP in southend k thx.
pps i have band.

the kit! (g-kit), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

I would probably go to a Cambridge FAP if it was at a weekend and I was available.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, TISSP! it would be great to have an ILX0rpollooza in Cambridge. I had forgotten in a moment of extreme drunkenness (I blame the sherry) but it remains a good idea.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

That sherry was wack.

I did drink the sherry, didn't I?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

See, you complain about me posting on the wrong thread and look at all this positive FAP/band talk I have prompted! Yay wonderful me!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

that's exactly why we want your contribution.

the kit! (g-kit), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

So so far we could potentially have:

Shimura Curves
My band
Greg's band

room for a couple more?

Ned, you should travel to Cambridge too. It being sort of just down the road. Sort of.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

You drank ALL the rich cream sherry. While I polished off the Amontillado. (I still have a bottle and a half of sherry which I have not drank since giving up drinking, waaaahhh!) It was not wack, it was GRATE!!!

I still haven't put the Country Lifes away. Sigh. Every time Ed comes round my house, he rubbishes Country Life. And then gets out my entire collection.

x-post glorious Ned.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

You drank ALL the rich cream sherry.

Fuck. Well, that explains a few things.


Thinking about it, add to the list:

Ned reading PI

(trust me, the students will go mental for it)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, this reminds me: I had a dream a while ago where my band and the Shimuras joined forces on a cover of Spiritualized's "She Kissed Me (It Felt Like A Hit)".

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Wait until I finish my glorious anthem based on the Grand Unification Theory of Everything!

(I need to figure out a way to make the guitar riff stop sounding like "Rock N Roll" by the Velvet Underground. Because then I am tempted to start singing "Jeanie said when she was just five years old, there was nothing going on at all, then one fine morning she picked up a Stephen Hawking book, you know her life was saved by mathematics..." which would, actually, be more like my life. But still.)

x-post blimey. That would be awesome, actually.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

x-post blimey. That would be awesome, actually.

Is this about Ned doing PI, or the Spiritualized cover?

guitar riff stop sounding like "Rock N Roll" by the Velvet Underground

One word: AutoWah.

Oh, do you still want some mixing done?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

OK, now I'm excited. Our i-D is out this week.

::bounces::

Dammit, I'm coughing again. Where's my lemsip and laudanum?

(The Spz cover. Also, us doing a cover of Ned's PI.)

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

(The Spz cover. Also, us doing a cover of Ned's PI.)

Excellent. We should totally do both.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

:-D

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Kate, what's the title of your Grand Unification Theory song?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

"No GUT, No Glory."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know yet. It was going to be called I'm Not Afraid of Electricity, but then I realised there was another song (Jessamine, I think?) with that title.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, I was going to suggest "GUT FEELING" but Ned's is better.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the song keeps changing. Originally, it was about the GUT, but now it seems to be written from the point of view of a scientist who is being swallowed by a black hole and she is reciting her faith in mathematics to keep her from being scared. I was going to blog about this.

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

that's pretty deep. i wrote a song about graphics cards.

the kit! (g-kit), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

We also have a song about videogames, called Pwned.

I don't know anything about videogames, but AMP wrote it, and she's like, an expert and stuff, writes about them for gamer/lamer magazines.

(We are such geeks.)

I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

I approve.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Freaks and geeks, some might say. ;-)

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

can red bull dozers play in this? they're teh rule

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

i'd go all the way to cambridge just to see them deffo

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Only if you send me a demo first, Ken.

DO NOT SEND ME THAT ROAD RAGE CLIP AGAIN I HAVE ONLY JUST RECOVERED, K?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

kate, that sounds pretty close to me. Though I am much more conventional: my life was saved by a Madame Curie biography, go figure.

olenska (olenska), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm emerging from database integration feeling like I've been underwater for too long. I'd like to go to Cambridge!

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Right, now we're gathering momentum.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.redbulldozers.com/music/thegame2.mp3

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

You are Lisa Simpson and I claim my £5! ;-)

multi-x-post

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Excellent, Ken! You're booked.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Now I have blogged all about our new song! And I fully expect my dad to get on there and tell me that I've got superstring theory all wrong. Sigh.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Morning there. I need to wake up.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! My dad would have absolutely no expertise on superstring theory: he is merely an authority on barbecued food items and the care of Great Danes.

The magazines are out and I can fetch you one, K.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, Cambridge sounds like fun!

I am happy this morning because all our servers seem to have come back up with no problems after losing all their power *figners crossed*

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

Pointless piece of trivia I only learned recently: the masthead of a certain style mag that currently has Kate in it apparently pre-dates the use of smilies on the internet, and certainly seems to be one of the earliest recorded ones.

Ian: Hurrah! I do like it when that happens. Ours *don't* start every important service automatically. I know where the gaps are, though; the problem is when a branch office (usually the one in Hull) decides to power-cycle their server without telling us.

(when they first got their server, the manager thought it would be a good idea to turn it off - by pulling the power, because it is completely headless - and take it home with him at weekends, for security)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

that currently has Kate and the other Curves in it, I should have said of course.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

Britain once again at the forefront of typographical innovations!

(I would laugh at the server joke, but I just know it could happen to me here, so I won't tempt fate ;))

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

Joke? I'm serious!

I'm getting better at moving all services to auto-start when I get new servers. This is partly because I am trying to push to make servers easier for me to administrate by using the OS flavours I know more about.

(ie, Gentoo over SuSE)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

Hehe, I have sneaked in the school's first Linux box; it's now handling the task of stopping the students accessing porn and/or hate material (amusingly enough, somebody complained yesterday that it was blocking the Daily Mail. I *almost* cheered ;)). It saves money on the school's current Windows solution and it actually works as well, which is a little bonus.

Unfortunately, my co-worker knows very little Unix-y, so I have to write a few guides for him for my hoilday in April. And hope nothing goes badly wrong...

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

Morning all.

FFS, I have just seen a perfect job advertised (at my old sixth form college as it happens) but at a completely ridiculous salary (less than I'm on now!) which no professional librarian, even a newly qualified one, should possibly accept. A good £3000 below the professional association's guidelines for starting salaries! I'm going to phone HR and check it's right. I would love the job :(

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

Morning!

Archel that's a good idea – shame them into upping the salary

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately, my co-worker knows very little Unix-y, so I have to write a few guides for him for my hoilday in April. And hope nothing goes badly wrong...

Hahah, that sounds very familiar. I came back Monday morning to find that none of last week's tape backups had worked, because the co-worker hadn't bothered to go through the instructions properly.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

Argh that is the correct salary. It sounded like they're used to people moaning though because she had her answer very pat: yes it's low but sadly that's standard in education... (not true).

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

Then they'll get what they pay for and learn their lesson.
Or, in the real world, they'll find some sucker who needs the work and doesn't have a good grasp of labour relations.
Either way it's a shitty situation for you :( Are you actively jobhunting or just keeping an eye on the job pages?

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

I fear that 'some sucker' = me :(
Maybe I'd rather be in a low paid job getting actual recognised library experience than in a low paid job which is professionally pointless...

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

I hate money

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

BEHIND THE VELVET ROPE, LADIES!!!! NO AUTOGRAPHS TODAY!!!!!!!!!

Wow, I feel kinda funny. I wanted to accost the man at the newsagent going LOOK I'M IN IT, LOOK, I'M IN IT, I WOULDN'T NORMALLY BUY EDGY STYLE MAGAZINES, BUT I'M IN THIS ONE!!!!

it got passed around the entire office (and they all stuck their greasy fingers on my bandmates' faces) before I got a chance to read it. It's all about AMP's rubbish ex, bah. But who cares? The picture looks great. Even if I look like a totally gormless FULE. I was terrified. Marianna looks glam; AMP and Anna look like a set of evil china dolls. Fantastiche.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I killed the thread. Sorry. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

I will have to pop out at lunchtime now and buy one myself

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

It's very fantastic kate!

I am all depressed about jobs now :(

Also we are to hear on Friday whether our department is for teh chop. Probably not, but morale is still hovering somewhere down near 0.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

I am here to revive the thread with my necromancer ways. Once again I am cheerful to the extent that I can soon accept that I am a cheerful person and should revert to pointing out when I am not cheerful instead. Hurrah.

That said, I didn't sleep so well last night and feel terribly tired now. On the plus side, we may have had some development on the house front and randomly got asked to play a gig.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

(xposts)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, Archel - even if your department does get the chop, perhaps you can try to view it as a positive thing, if you really hate your job anyway, it will give you the impetus to leave? Though it sucks about the low pay of the other job. It might be worth putting in an application and doing an interview, because you might go and it might turn out *not* to be your dream job and then you won't feel so bad about turning it down on salary based yuckiness? Or, erm something.

Random gigs, are good, TISSP! Whoa, that had a lot of commas, who do I think I am, RJG? What house developments are afoot? Have you found a place with a shower finally?

I wish it had said our NAME on the article, though, so we might get some benefit out of it. Sigh.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Well we were talking in the pub last night with a friend/co-worker who is also trying to find somewhere. The point being that everything we've seen that would be ideal so far has been just out of our price range, but with the three of us we would be able to afford somewhere really nice.

This makes sense in my head, I swear.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oh does it not mention Shimura Curves in the article? Poo :(

Yeah I am probably going to apply for the job and if I get an interview maybe politely raise the issue of pay... or not.

Even if my dept dies I'll probably still have a job of some kind here as all support staff are supposedly 'redeployable', but I'm not sure I'd want it.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

No, no name. And that kind of annoys me, becuase i-D is the kind of magazine where every single FASHION shoot, they're always like "Dieter is wearing Comme De Garcons and Mikiyumi is wearing Miu Miu..." but when it comes to music, the actual musicians are just accessories.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa, that had a lot of commas, who do I think I am, RJG?

,lol,

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

This is, however, slightly better than when the Guardian this weekend listed *MY* road as the "posh bit" of "Streatham Village" in "Let's Move To..."

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

found out this morning (4am this morning...) that the antibiotics i've been taking for almost a week come in gelatin based capsules. ick. guess i could take this opportunity to, i dunno, start frequenting the mongolian barbeque in chiswick and hanging around in vegetarian chatrooms telling them all they are commiting crimes against nature. or something.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh.

OTOH, I wish I could shake this awful cough I've got at the moment.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

...hang on, we've just been offered a random gig!

Oh wait, it's not so random at all, I've known it was going to happen for a while, just not the exact date.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh where and when?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Still waiting for the rest of the band to confirm it...

Actually, sod it, AMP and I are going to do it as a guerilla gig, regardless of where The Other Two are - Monday, 24th April at the Windmill Brixton. Not even sure it's been confirmed yet, but that's where it'll be. With The Kissing Time, and erm... don't know who else, but probably bands with people Matt Hew (Former Lollies drummer) used to be in, or at least knows.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

Woo, I now have a magazine with a picture of the Shimuras in it!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hurrah!

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Plus, it seems to be the magazine with something else mentioned upthread in it!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

What else that was mentioned upthread?

Sorry, I've not read anything else in it that isn't us. :-P

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, knowing your tendencies, now I remember. Heh.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

afwergsfghasfgasdf. (That is my morning grumble.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Two for the price of one, FP! ;)

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, knowing your tendencies, now I remember. Heh.

Oi! Am I *that* predictable???

;-)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

yes. Yes, you are.

I can never seem to get through a whole issue, though. I just start to feel ugly, old and fat, past-it, a has-been, a never-been, a never-gonna-be and not really sure that I-wanna-be-at-all-if-thats-what-being entails. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't seen the finished piece FP is perving over, or the pictures. How are the pix?

Shimura Curves are going to be mentioned in a larger article this month, don't you worry.
Who wrote the brainlove piece?

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't looked at myself either yet, just spotted it in the contents.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

The pics are good, very very glam. Very 40s/50s vamp.

(The funny thing is, she's wrong - Iggy Pop's mates do actually go around calling him Jim. It took me a while to figure out who they were talking about.)

Shims piece is by Holly Shackleton. Do you know her?

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

She has the REDDEST lipstick ever. I'm kind of jealous.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I know what Iggy's mates call him, guess she ain't enough of a mate.

The founder of i-D did conceive of the title as a 'wink and smile'; all the cover stars wink and smile, and yes it *is* the first emoticon, as was probably at least a doodle in 1979 but was actually a zine by 1980.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

I am sleepy now. I felt fine until I got into work, and now I just feel ill again. Bleurgh. And my boss has disappeared, so I guess I don't have to do any work.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost*

I found some earlier smileys! (I'm waiting for a disk transfer to finish, so I thought I'd have a look). The PLATO system in the early 1970s inspired some emoticons, although i-D seems to be the first ASCII emoticon. Ooh, and my transfer has finished!

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

It does appear to have been watered down to 'obscure left eye'. God help 'em if that's what they think smiling looks like.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I am back from shopping and now I feel tired. The shop didn't have i-D either, so no glancing at the pictures. I will make a point of treating the local Borders as a public library this weekend.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

A pedant writes: i-D isn't ASCII specific. It does seem to be the first emoticon constructed from normal letters and punctuation, and lying on its side, which is the traditional Internet emoticon format. The PLATO ones were done by overprinting characters to produce a graphical icon.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I never noticed the i-D thing before. I thought it was just pretention that it was spelled like that. Plus, I often noticed that people had stupid expressions on the cover, but never attributed it to winking. I feel stupid now. Ah well.

I remain sleepy. And feeling vaguely wound up/disappointed in humanity WRT a couple of different threads on ILX today. Sigh.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Emoticons, for the purposes of this discussion, are constructed with what's on the keyboard. When *I* was on the cover I had to obscure one eye with fringe, as I cannot wink.

HS is the receptionist, who has just started writing for publications.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

(The subject, not the discussion thereof, I must note, though. For a change.)

x-post

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

What to do if you can't wink but are asked to appear on the cover of i-D:

1) Close both eyes
2) Hold one eyelid shut
3) Open other eye
4) Remove hand

Hey presto! You now have one eye closed!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

*xpost*

A chastened response ;): Yes, I was just using ASCII as a geeky shorthand for normal characters. Oops. There *is* something on Wikipedia claiming that some bloke in America came up with -) in 1979, but it never really caught on (the cyclops look not quite so hip out of Greek myth and X-Men characters, obviously).

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, iPods are so officially not hip any more. My mum just asked me if she could get one.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Hah. One of our directors came down to the IT office this morning to ask us how much iPods cost, because they were thinking of doing a "free iPod with every [very expensive thing] bought!" offer.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

I am looking at computer bits to upgrade the studio now. Retail therapy, oh yes.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

I have so much work to do, but I seem to have reached a standstill about where to go next. Everything seems to be dependent on information that no one will give me. Sigh.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Then sit back and relax, safe in the knowledge that you are being actively prevented from doing your job.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

i-D is supposed be a winky? I am so out of any kind of loop.

Having reduced my alcohol consumption quite a lot recently, I have just noticed that coffee has the same initial positive effects on me as booze - ie I become bouncy, confident and sociable. And no hangover! But god, I don't want to become addicted to coffee.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

x-post -- Hooray! (If that's the right sentiment.)

Now if only I could return to England again this summer even for a bit. Probably not, alas.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray, that means they might get cheaper and I can allow myself one
so many xposts, it hardly seems worth posting any more

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Trust me, coffee addiction is far harder to kick than booze. :-( Though perhaps more socially acceptible.

I want something and I can't quite put my finger on what I want. Maybe... coffee? Time for some more stupid birdseed, then.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

In the long run, if you get addicted, the headaches are probably worse.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I will probably get a nasty comedown and headache this pm. And jesus, why did I go to that departmental meeting? Everyone is as jumpy as a sack of fleas and while before I felt quite upbeat about the prospects for the dept come Friday, now I have seen higher level anxiety failing to be quite hidden...

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, FFS, whoever has signed me up to the Scientology newsletter, please stop? K, thanx, bye.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I blame Tom Cruise

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

The funny thing was, it was addressed to "Kate Boom". Uuhhh...?

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Boom!

So, are you really breaking up with your boy, kate?

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

You can also put a great heap of FRINGE or HAIR over the eye you're trying to hide, which is what I did. A lot of people can only wink with the 'wrong' eye so the pic gets mirrorflipped as a result.

Once the winky is pointed out, it's totally obvious what's going on. Also whatever way you pronounce i-D in most languages, it means something, eg in French it is 'ideé'. People who work there call it The Id, as in ego etc.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Whoops, that seemed like a really abrupt question. Sorry.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

i-D I, campers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/400/hidehi_3.jpg

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, Archel. After that exchange this morning, I just had this overwhelming sense of "why, exactly, am I dating you?" It's not that he didn't know what i-D was (I don't think) but that he couldn't seem to remember the entire idea that the photo shoot had happened, even though we'd talked about it. More like "you don't even seem to know what's going on in my life, even when I tell you - do you even care?" and just realising how divergent our interests are and just... I'm just not feeling it. I didn't see him this weekend, due to my being so ill, and maybe that's it. I don't know. I'm just not feeling it.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I have unrealistic expectations of relationships to expect people in them to have something in common other than sex. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, now I'm suddenly in quite a miserable mood, when I was so upbeat and happy this morning.

i-D! gig at the Windmill! trip to York to see the train museum!

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hardly. If you're not feeling it it's usually a sign... but it can go in phases too.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Are you agonising over it or do you know, kate? If you have to weigh it all up, chances are you know the answer already, no?

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Eh, sometimes I just feel like it's one more thing to beat myself up about. When really I should just not be bothered so much.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, Kate. No, you shouldn't beat yourself up about it.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

ipods were hip?

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

I guess maybe I should talk about this with him, rather than with people on a message board. Like "Are you still feeling this? Because I'm not sure I am. Do you really think we have enough in common to keep up a relationship?" Or maybe I should just be passive and take things as they come. I don't know. I'm going to stop thinking about this now.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Playing Devil's Advocate:

Just because he doesn't know what you're talking about sometimes doesn't mean he doesn't care. I am terribly forgetful all the time, and my girlfriend has to constantly remind me of things she has already told me. The point being that I still care immensely about what she has to say, but things just don't really stick in my head very well.

(She is welcome to delurk and disagree with me here of course)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

But yes, we can stop talking about this if you'd prefer.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

No, I'm sorry. Joe used to pull that "Oh, I'm just too forgetful..." thing all the time. I don't have the greatest of memories, and I'm easily distracted, but if I know something is important to someone, I will make an effort to remember it. I mean, it was amazing how easily Joe could remember *HIS* important things, but couldn't remember mine - i.e. he could remember booking an opening, but couldn't remember that it was the day of my birthday because he'd written down the one, but not the other.

I don't know, none of this has anything to do with The Boy, except I'm obviously still carrying around a lot of anger about relationships and men in general.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I'm still trying to figure out whether it's "I don't want to be in a relationship, fullstop" or "I don't want to be in a relationship with you."

Just thinking about this makes me upset and depressed and I don't want to be upset and depressed, I want to feel like a pop star, like I did this morning. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Then give it a while and see if it's a one-off or a trend. You're a pop star whether he remembers your photoshoots or not. Maybe he doesn't want to appear starstruck...

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

when did these threads stop being fun and become really heavy?

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I will make an effort to remember it. I mean, it was amazing how easily Joe could remember *HIS* important things, but couldn't remember mine

Well, my point being that I don't remember my important things, either.

(This is how I turned up late for a Time Management course. Oh, the laughs)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

So in an effort to lighten the thread, I GISed for 'kitten'. The first result did not cheer me up.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

It's more than this. It's about the fact that he doesn't read, at all, he doesn't own any books. That's just... deeply, deeply wrong, to me. I know it's probably stupid and shallow to be so concerned with such things... no, wait, it's not shallow to think that if we don't share the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING in my life, which is intellectual curiosity and the gathering of information, then maybe, I'm sorry, he's just not the one for me.

But I can't stop thinking about how much *I* hate being dumped, and how awful it would be to be dumped - by me, of all people - and what am I going to say to him, to say "you're lovely, you're really amazing, you're really good looking, you treat me well, but you're just not The One for me." :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.dansdata.com/images/kitten/box520.jpg

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

what the fuck is GIS?

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Google Image Search

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I have decided to write about Medicine after all. Their music is such a great lost part of my life.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

dude. just say "googled".

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

If you do decide to break up with him – now or ever – don't be put off on the grounds that it's unpleasant. It's better to dump or be dumped than to be in a crap relationship – that'll fuck you up worse than the split, as you know. And it's better to be honest than not. No books ≠ no intellectual curiosity, but if he really doesn't have any – well you've got a good speech prepared, it seems.

xpost sorry, ISC.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ok so this is made by Learning Curve not Shimura Curves but - POP STAR:
http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/ce/d3/pr-Toys-Learning_Curve_Felt_Kids_Pop_Star_Story_Pieces-resized200.gif

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Well that's my band's uniforms sorted then.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

I've changed my nickname. Something I like to do once a year to inject into my life some excitement when things get a bit slow.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

I had noticed. I guess I'm just inured to excitement as I change my name about once a week. Sometimes as often as once a day.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

(For those of you who missed it. Actually I'm just making spurious posts to see how it looks, as if I'm trying on a nice dress. But minus the social stigma)

xpost

steal compass, drive north, disappear (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think it might be too long.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

This should bring it back into line.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Also, it's not a *crap* relationship by any stretch of the imagination. It's just not my... "ideal"? relationship? I know such a thing doesn't exist, but there are things I'm willing to compromise on, and things I'm not. :-(

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

As opposed to your email...?

haha xpost

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I should just change my username, really.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

it's gonna be hard to refer to you without typing lots. therefore i probably won't talk to you. sorry.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

As opposed to your email...?

Yes, I was torturing gmail.

it's gonna be hard to refer to you without typing lots. therefore i probably won't talk to you. sorry.

Bonus

steal compass, drive north, disappear (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think some people can happily enjoy non-ideal relationships as temporary things if they don't start thinking that they SHOULD be ideal. Other people will ALWAYS have the 'ideal' at the back of their minds. If you're in the latter category it's better to get out sooner rather than later.

Re email: mind you, matt used to have an email address that went 'theolderigetthemorelifestartstomakesenseandthelessicare@...' so it's relative.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I have returned! I have metamorphosised and emerged from the chrysalis!

(Took a lot of fucking up the email accounts though)

And greg can still talk to me. We're like a big happy family again.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

OK, this is only going to be funny to us MI bods, but still:

Need ILM? Try RIM!

No, really.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

MI? Whassat?

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

(Management of Information. What all us database bods do.)

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Information wants to be free, though.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

No it doesn't. It wants to be MANAGED through its entire little lifetime.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

You'll just end up smothering it.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no, I've finally found the new phone that I want to buy, because it's gold and paisley. But I've no idea what half the things it does are! I don't want a phone that makes my coffee and answers my email, I just want to send and receive texts - and occasionally receive a phone call?

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

which phone is it? (we might have one here). nokia bought out a very basic phone last year, the 1100(?) designed to only do the essentials. ha, "This phone can be used as a torch".

have spent the afternoon adding gui around image conversion libraries i wrote earlier in the week. first time using Swing / whatever (JButtons etc) and it ends up looking more than ok. had to write very little code (but what i did was of the mind-numbingly boring kind - take '45x50' and convert it to two ints, 45 and 50. snore.)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

This one... the 7370

http://www.nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,83298,00.html

It is pretty and gold and covered in paisley. And I bet it will cost hundreds of pounds and I don't even understand all the functions it does. But it is so pretty.

Maybe I should just buy a pretty gold paisley cover for my current phone, and that would make me feel better.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

£300... and I'm not even sure I can get it for O2. (They have the other model, but it's not as pretty.)

But my god, it's lovely, though.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

it's a chick phone 8)

think there have been several tv adverts on about it but i guess you haven't seen those. (you've also missed about 1089810238098013409802349879 of those pissing Toucan adverts but are probably less fussed about that)

the 7380 looks, er, different. so much so that i can't see how it works as a phone.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I *am* a chick. I think...

Haven't seen the ads on TV, but they had lovely ones in, erm... some fashiony magazine that Anna had lying around the house at the weekend.

Yeah, I think the other one is entirely voice activated or something. Though it hath no gold paisley so I don't care.

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

OHMIGOD, WHAT HAVE I SIGNED MYSELF UP FOR?!?!?!?

I'm going to see Carlos Barat's new band with Chuck. Oh dear indeed. I'm so not dressed for this. But at least I can brandish my i-D like a shield - look, I *AM* a fashion model. I normally look like... THIS!

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Be sure to take a look at the talent on offer. He-he.

FWIW about the boy, people end relationships all the time for lack of common ground, or loss of common ground. Maybe it would be a nice, normal form of assertiveness? If the guy can't give you X and X is really what you need - and I know it is! - surely he will understand and not take it personally, or at least less so?

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Another day, and back at the office again.

As I have never dumped anyone ever - I've always been the dumpee - I'm not going to try and give any sort of advice on that sort of matter.

The other day I mentioned that the co-worker spent most of his day in the office working for another company (he is officially on the payroll over there too, incidentally). He was doing it again yesterday, but not quite so much. I think it's partly because of a lack of assertiveness on his part: he will talk a lot about how he's going to be assertive and aggressive towards people - and he looks the part too - but when it comes down to it he backs off completely. Hence, even if he wanted to, if the chap who runs the other company phones up in the middle of the week with a support call, he doesn't dare say: "I can't look at it right now - I'm at work".

Incidentally, on the other hand, our boss's computer was downloading porn all day. Well, I *assume* it was porn. I didn't look at the contents, but I could see the filename: it was a video called "Rubb3r 0rgy" from a well-known fetish porn studio. I resisted the temptation to look.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

which Medicine kate?

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 9 March 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

suck my bonus

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 9 March 2006 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

i hope your co-worker realises that being assertive and being aggressive are different things!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

xpost, everytime i see the kit i get a bonus

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

xpost is that a bonus you got or are you just pleased to see me

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

And now, I'm off to sCUNThorpe. One of the PCs there has a keyboard fault on one row; it was reported to us as "the machine locks up completely and is unusable" by a senior manager who keeps asking about it every 10-15 minutes.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

Morning! The weekend seems far away. Spent the morning faking a photo with photoshop – didn't do a bad job but it's not a natural talent. Now I can post to ilx get on with my own work.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

lol. IT support just phoned me for IT support.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

I looked for a copy of i-D yesterday, but it hasn't reached our province yet, it seems. No doubt it'll turn up on the shelves in the next day or so. I bought Mudhoney's new album instead. It's very good, quite hawkwind/S3 ish in places, w/splendid sardonic lyrics seemingly aimed at the present us regime. I luv mudhoney.

Jill's mother phoned last night. Last year her husband died, and left her a huge sum of money that he'd amassed after years of doing the stock market thing as a hobby. His job was that he was a park keeper! He was obviously very good at it, though. She says the amount she got left is, quote "embarassing". Anyway, she wants to buy us a car, and she's giving up £10,000 to do so, wtf. I'm kind of flabbergasted, as you can imagine. I want to get s.th large-ish, diesel-powered, station-wagon shaped. Used, obv. Does anyone have a vel satis, a saab 9-5, or a current Volvo? What's it like, if so? (head spins somewhat)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 9 March 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

Subaru Forester!!

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 9 March 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

Morning folks. What a grey day, again.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 9 March 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning, people. Suzy, check your email. I want you to come and look at some art with me.

As it turns out, there was a kerfuffle with the tickets and we did not get in to see Carlos. However, I think this might be a good thing, as I can keep the fantasy going in my head that he was the talented one, and it was only his junkie boyfriend that kept him from being fabulous. Oh yes. We went to the pub and ate chips with cheese and chili instead, and it was very good.

My shrink seems to think I have made "massive strides" or come to some kind of turning point, because I respond to frustrating situations with "I can't be bothered with this" instead of throwing a fit. Is this really progress?

Wow, nice going on the car, Pash. I have no idea whatsoever about cars, but still.

I think I'm going to talk about The Mechanical Forces of Love, Koogsy, but I'm going to talk about all of them, really. Even though I no longer have The Burried Life.

Also, Luxembourgh wrote and asked if I still wanted to do artwork for their next single! That should be fun!

I'm Not Afraid Of Singularities (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

ah, ok. i was surprised to find 2 lps and 3 singles when i looked last night but TMFOL isn't one of them (but TBL is). am currently ripping them to listen to later.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 9 March 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Would there be any chance you could copy me TBL by the weekend? (When I have to write the article?) Or just email me one or two choice tracks from it by tomorrow?

I've got Snot Forth Nose Dripping and the third album with the burned out cathedral on the cover, plus TMFOL (that's the electronic album with Shannon Lee singing) but can't really recall TBL to mind.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

hehe TMFOL makes me want to ROFL.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

Eh?

Also, I noticed MR. ST3LF0X, formerly of this parish in the current i-D, too. Heh.

The train wasn't running this morning, so I had to take the bus. But that did mean more time for reading my Infinite Book. Now it's going on about DARK MATTER!!! What is it made of?!?!? It's a DARK MYSTERY!!!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

I went to a chain sandwich shop for lunch today :(

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

did you get a chain sandwich?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

WAS IT MADE OF DARK MATTER!??!?! WAS IT A DARK SANDWICH?!?!??!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry, this is why I shouldn't be allowed to read popular science books. I start to stay awake at night, and on the bus, worrying about what dark matter is made of. And if it gets in our sandwiches.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Well my belly feels unusually heavy now, so very possibly

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

54gfsdgsdfargrumblegrumblemustshoweretc. = "Hello there and good morning."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

Morning! You'll feel better when you've brushed your teeth

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, you might have DARK MATTER stuck in your gums.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

I found some DARK MATTER last week.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Alert the scientists!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Where was it?

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

It was some mysterious dark grit found to be lurking in the cracks of a dropside wagon, when its sides were dropped. As we'd been talking about the mystery of DARK MATTER earlier, it was clear what it must be!

(rumours that the wagon had previously been used for coal were rapidly quashed)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

was it a swordfish?

i have emailed kate btw and am listening to it now.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

It was a Pat Fish.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

I hear DARK MATTER is aces on toast. Exam results day today, so I've spent the day matching up candidate numbers with names (hard than it sounds when the board sends you the wrong numbers). Still, the look on people's happy faces seems to be worth the struggle ;)

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

I have got yer email and replied, thanks, Koogs!

My database is matching the wrong employee numbers with to-dos so it's impossible to do a filter on them, argh. WTF?

Now I am going to have some soup. Hopefully without DARK MATTER. If the microwave is working properly. (What are the effects of microwaves on DARK MATTER?!?!?)

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

We need an I Love Programming board. Discuss.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

No, it would be filled with cnuts in about 10 seconds flat.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

it'd just turn into I Love Moaning About Programming. discuss.

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

it'd be filled up with couts in 10 seconds

xpost i created some dark matter last night.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Bah. It'd be nice to shoot the code breeze though.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

(Good joke, Ken, btw)

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

save me, ken.

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Well, feel free to go and start your own programming thread. I've only really had bad experiences with them.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

If dark matter = neutrinos there will be billions of them in your microwave right this second, Kate!!!

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

No no, fair enough.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

DARK MATTER is not neutrinos. Neutrinos are not dense enough to account for the sheer volumes of the stuff. My soup is safe.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

was it a swordfish?

No, it wasn't. They're standard gauge; this wasn't.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Ctrl-S the kit

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

you have been saved

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

i keep meaning to do a 'Yet More Boring Computer Problems: The Algorithm Thread' when odd things crop up.

i always liked the names that BR gave to its freight wagons but Swordfish is the only one i remember (i think the other types were also named after fish). they'd also have obscure things written on the side of them like 'not to be loose or hump shunted'. x-post, ha, of course.

i think medicine are better at eps than lps - this one's dragging. plus the treatments start to grind after a while.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, where is that picture of the moon on a stick? I want to send it to my boss when people make unreasonable demands.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

today is so damn boring.

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

you should gmail chat me kit!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.doering.co.uk/doering/photos/moon_on_a_stick.jpg

What the Directors want, and they want it now!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

I would probably post on an I Love Programming, but the kit is right about it turning into a Moans Board.

(does anyone here ever read alt.sysadmin.recovery?)

Koogs: it was only Departmental stock that used fishy codenames (well, anything vaguely marine really - plough brakes were Mermaids). I will try to find a list.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

i added yr pykachu address but yknow i dunno if you have a secret gmail or summat but ffs hurry before i go mental k thx

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I like dark matter. I don't know why it makes people nervous. Fear of the unknown.

I would lurk on I Love Programming, just to get confused. The highlight of my coding career was writing a couple of thousand lines of gw-basic for a school project about the parts of a circle.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I've just had to tell a student off for fucking up our network with his BitTorrent usage. My boss's advice: "Give him a good bollicking!" *pauses, looks at me* "Don't be nice!"

He's got me pegged already, it seems. Luckily the student was falling over himself to apologise to me, so I didn't have to press him too hard. Thank goodness ;)

We should have a contest on ILP to write a useful perl script that doesn't use any characters of the alphabet!

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

DARK MATTER is not neutrinos. Neutrinos are not dense enough to account for the sheer volumes of the stuff

According to this week's New Scientist they still don't know this.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

eek, that would be hard

It would have to be something run by putting "perl" on the command line, because you wouldn't be allowed the #! line at the start

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Clearly, I need to read New Scientist more.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

"Give him a good bollicking!"

i had to read this like three times before it didn't say "give him a good ball licking"

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

lol i just sent u an invite to join gmail

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Dark matter in my guts, ew.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

We should have a contest on ILP to write a useful perl script that doesn't use any characters of the alphabet!

Also, I can't see how it could produce any output or set a return code

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

i got rid of those last night

xpost

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Obviously the ball-licking is reserved for the A-grade students!

*sigh*, I still remember my first perl program. I downloaded the IMDB database files and brute-forced the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game. Oh, we had such wacky hijinks in university. Sometimes we even went outside...

Unicode, FP! Use octal numbers to print! (we'll allow numbers)

Either that, or we can try and write something useful in Brainfuck!

I may be having a geeky breakdown. Don't mind me.

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even understand mine own thread any more. :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

it's democracy gone mad

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Use octal numbers to print!

But how do you type the 'print' function?

In any case, using octal seems like cheating. You *could* probably do something useful that ran as a filter though.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

You could be nice and start another thread for a new topic.

Or I could just start derailing mine own thread.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Is this about football?

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/JaredHarrisPhotoGallery/Movies/Trance%20The%20Eternal%20Kiss%20of%20the%20Mummy/69f1993c.jpg

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

This:

`$=`;$_=\%!;($_)=/(.)/;$==++$|;($.,$/,$,,$\,$",$;,$^,$#,$~,$*,$:,@%)=(
$!=~/(.)(.).(.)(.)(.)(.)..(.)(.)(.)..(.)......(.)/,$"),$=++;$.++;$.++;
$_++;$_++;($_,$\,$,)=($~.$"."$;$/$%[$?]$_$\$,$:$%[$?]",$"&$~,$#,);$,++
;$,++;$^|=$";`$_$\$,$/$:$;$~$*$%[$?]$.$~$*${#}$%[$?]$;$\$"$^$~$*.>&$=`

apparently prints "Just Another Perl Hacker", so it is possible (although it doesn't work on the Windows installation of perl I have infront of me).

Sorry Kate! Back to the watercooler! :)

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

if you squint at that thing you just posted you can see a sailboat

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Heavens Kate, I think you're getting a weeny bit too prescriptive about what people can and can't talk about.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not being prescriptive, but it's general ILX etiqutte that when a thread gets completely derailed, you go and start a new thread.

Not everyone here is a programmer, and even those of us who are, maybe we come to ILX to get away from our dayjobs?

If you think I'm prescriptive here, then you are welcome to go and start your own thread.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

But that's just it, I enjoy the many and varied and unpredictable topics that come up here! I know sod all about programming but was intrigued enough to check out the brainfuck wiki page (and as a result I know even less about programming). What you're suggesting is cutting short people's successful conversations because you can't/won't contribute. Do you really want people to stop posting here altogether because sometimes they may want to talk about things you have no interest in?

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

It's her thread. We know, because she said so, and she'd know.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

No, I want them to go to other threads to have conversations that deserve their own threads. This is not the "Should There Be An I Love Programming" thread.

And this argument is tiresome, Mark. And Andrew.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Now I'm in a thoroughly bad mood and I'm off to do some actual programming. >:-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm, what chaos I have created.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, boss :)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

mark has been employed by kate's boss to come and get her riled up so she'd get on with some work ;))

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

(also ooops i must admit i didn't know this thread had a topic!!)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

A SCOONER IS A SAILBOAT, STUPID

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Doughnuts = safe topic. I've just had one.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Out of interest, what is the topic for this thread? I was under the impression it was a conversational thread...

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

(i initially came to talk about how nature springs vs Eden, as a brand)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

(psst tissp: from the first post "You know the drill. Work and dates and office mates suck, carrot cake and coffee is good"... so i dunno, programming is borderline, if your work is a programming)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

(or if you gave your gf a perl necklace, after a successful date)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

(haha, i'm so going to make a necklace that just says "#!" as the dangly bit)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

back to work stuff though: today i just spotted an error with my annual leaves calculation and made them realise that i have 3 days more than they think i do! :-D

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

For gods sake, Ken, shut up. I'm not going to start on my typical "this thread was better when it was just the same 5 people talking on it" but my GOD, you can be irritating on the interweb.

And yes, I will apologise and buy you a beer when I see you in person, but right now I'm feeling like this thread is being ruined by all the same usual crap that I came on here to avoid on the rest of ILX.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

i just got back on topic though!!!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, Kate, I hope my ramblings about trains don't get you annoyed too.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

I never have anything to talk about, so I don't know whether that's annoying or tolerable.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

I keep trying to type out answers to this, but I just keep thinking "is it worth getting wound up over this? no, it's not."

I guess the answer is, if someone (i.e. me) makes a couple of polite suggestions that a discussion would do better on its own thread, and it gets steadily ignored, then that person will become more and more annoyed.

I've never said that people couldn't talk about programming here (the only verboten topic is football) but it's annoying to feel like you're being ignored.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

that's totally rude, kaet.

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

No, "Go fuck yourself" is totally rude. Trying to express my own feelings is my perogative.

And on that note, go fuck yourself.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

...and yes, I'm being facetious to prove a point.

I am still in a bad mood.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Morning there.

I'm rather sleepy because I was up until 1am trying to chat to someone on OKCupid: a laconic woman with good taste in clothes.

Today started to go downhill when our boss said that from now on, every Friday, he wants us to have a meeting to tell him what we're working on, so he can "prioritise our tasks for us".

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 10 March 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh. Does he mean he wants to dictate how you manage your time, or he just wants to let you know how important some things are?

Interesting article about dark matter, dark energy and black holes (if there is such a thing): http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18925423.600&feedId=online-news_rss20

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

is _ (in fact any number of underscores > 1) a valid variable name in perl? it is in c. oh, doesn't $_ have a special meaning anyway? um, yes, perhaps the most special of all meanings.

i have to spend today refactoring code that is working because 'coding standards' plus a need for unit tests have been imposed on us since i started. (will see how keen management is on the level of unit tests they are currently requesting when deadlines approach)

kate, posted that stuff this morning. postbox listed last collection as 18:00 but hopefully there's another at lunchtime. did it as mp3s, hope that's ok.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

I *think* Perl variable names that are more than 1 character long have to begin with a letter, but I'm not sure about this. _ is a bit of a special case character in symbol names, because it's the one non-alphanumeric character that's allowed.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, I was wrong. According to the perlvar manpage, identifiers have to begin with a letter *or underscore*. So, variable names consisting solely of _ are valid.

(although $_ and @_ are obviously special, as you said. I'm not sure if %_ is used for anything)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

Morning, peeps. I was cheered up this morning by a card from my new upstairs neighbour. I met her last weekend as she was moving in, but obviously she was v. busy, but I told her to drop by anytime for a chat. I haven't been in much, but this morning she left me a card saying nice to meet you, please come by for tea this weekend. Which was very nice! I'm pleased to have friendly neighbours.

Thanks, Koogsy, that's cool - hopefully I will get it tomorrow. Streatham post seems (I hope!) to be quite quick. Though I'm an idiot and I forgot to burn the MP3s I downloaded off you last night - d'oh! Oh well. There was a problem with the Thameslink so I didn't get home until 10pm anyway. Bah.

Right. Should I start work on putting the moon on a stick, or should I read that fascinating looking articles about DARK MATTER?!?!? Let's see...

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

ouch btw.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

%_ is not a special variable in Perl (for clarification).

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, kit, I was very cranky last night, as you can tell.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Try putting a dark energy star on a stick and you'll end up with a positron-emitting vacuum-packed quantum critical phase transition, it seems.
(better informed but none the wiser)

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

I expect you have a large crane for the moon/stick interface. I like large cranes.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

Great thread that never happened for some reason: TS: Cranes vs Diggers

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

I was hoping that my actually eating breakfast for a change today would have improved my concentration. It hasn't.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Friday, 10 March 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

But it is the MOON we want on a stick! And as we all know, from eighth grade....

THERE IS NO DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, IT IS ALL DARK!!!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

I found that out from the Pink Floyd record rather than school, admittedly.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

(Well, that's the point - though really, I lie. People at my school didn't start listening to Pink Floyd until at least 10th Grade.)

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

Also, haven't we done Cranes vs. Diggers: FITE? It seems like an Ed sort of a thread. I know we've talked about JCBs vs. backhoes.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

Cranes have the elegance, but diggers have the RAW POWA.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

It sounds like an English Civil War battle.

I love cranes. But I read Dougie the Digger too many times as a child.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

Well despite my name I think I might come down on the crane side

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

This needs to be a new thead. I think I shall start it.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

Taking Sides: Cranes vs. Diggers

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

Well, go on then!

I need something to distract me from the ruination of the gorgeous Boris Johnson thread. :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

In other out-of-this-world news, Cassini has discovered liquid water on one of Saturn's moons

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

Really? I would have thought it was far too cold. Or is that a volcanic moon?

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

(Funny because we were just talking about moons this morning, because I accused the Diretors of wanting the moon on a stick without telling me *which* moon they wanted, and someone said "but how many moons can there be? there's only one..." to which I replied "That's what *you* think..." and started listing them all. Well, as many as I could remember.)

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.kittenrecords.co.uk/slypics/sailor_moon01.jpg

Sailor Moon, not on a stick.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

Is there a Sailor Phobos?

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

haha. Was Enceladus in your list? It's volcanic apparently.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1727979,00.html

xpost well... no, wait - that's disgusting

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

fraid not, kaet.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 10 March 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

Sailor Phobos, yesterday:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Island/3352/pg16.html

koogs (koogs), Friday, 10 March 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha, excellent, Koogsy!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

i guess i didn't watch that far yet. way to give SPOILAZ!!111

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 10 March 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

i think they are manga only characters. one place points out that despite having sailor crystals they are not actually sailors so 'Sailor Phobos' is incorrect and it should just be 'Phobos'.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 10 March 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to order back issues of Smoke and paypal HAAAAAATES me. It just isn't fair. :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, beautious slice of carrot cake, which is my first slice in nearly a month... oh, prepare to be eaten with EXTREME JOY!!!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

kaet had a caek

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

kaet aet a caek

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Boris eats cake, too...

http://www.samizdata.net/blog/~pdeh/Boris_cake.jpg

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm cake!

Similarly, tonight I am going to have my first WINE in a... oh it's only a week. Damn it feels longer!

Archel (Archel), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

archel drinks iwne

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I had a beer the other week, and I didn't really see the point of it. Sigh.

God, Boris is so hot. How can a Tory be so lovely?

Maybe I shouldn't have had that cake, I feel REALLY REALLY REALLY hyper now.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

i have that effect on people.

the kit! (g-kit), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I'm suddenly realising just how much my sugar consumption affects my ability to deal with sodding arseholes. When I'm not hyped up on sugar, I can just ignore them. When I eat loads of sugar, it's all BASH BASH THEM INTO THE GROUND!!!!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think I should go and walk around the block for a bit, I'm kind of worried about how I feel right now.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I feel really unwell now, like I've taken some kind of awful drug. I am not eating refined sugar in that quantity ever again. I wonder if I might be hypoglycaemic or if this is actually the normal reaction to sugar if you're unused to it.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

My neck hurts. Badly enough to put me off my work.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

If you haven't had refined sugar for a while it will have noticeable effects. I would have thought headache and buzzy followed by sleepy as opposed to rageful, though.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus, this is unpleasant. I'm trying to drink as much water as possible, but basically... whatever emotion I've been feeling, I've been feeling 1000x. Not just happy, but SUPERAMAZINGBOUNCEBOUNCEHAPPY. Not just irritated but SUPERKILLKILLKILLBASHBASHIRRITATED.

I'm wondering if I should see a doctor or nutritionist about this, but probably it's better to just avoid refined sugar in such quantities.

Tests for hypoglycaemia are really unpleasant, aren't they?

It seems to be wearing off now, and now I just feel dazed and a bit exhausted.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's not unusual or a symptom of deeper malaise, it's just how your body deals with it. You'll probably feel sleepy for a couple of hours now, like Archel said

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

It sounds like you snarfed that, Kate. You *should* be able to have your cake and eat it too if you have say a quarter of the cake at each little break.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

Should I ask for a reexplanation of Boris Johnson, then?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't really have noticed it so much if it hadn't been so pronounced post-detox. Would have thought it was just normal post-lunch jollies than crash. I wonder how much of my long-running "manic depression" is actually down to this. It's really weird, kind of like watching yourself go into some kind of psychotic or manic episode.

It's kind of like all the brakes get taken off, and you cannot stop yourself from sliding into something really uncontrollable. :-(

I guess I shouldn't really talk about serious stuff like this on ILX, it's just kind of like New Bedlam, where if you show any kind of mental illness of instability, people poke you with sticks to laugh at your mad behaviour.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

x-post, I'm locked out of that thread due to Stevem's recurring double standard/feud against me, so I can't explain anything, Ned.

::shrugs::

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Starting to feel normal again. 2 hours from eating the cake to complete psychosis to back to normal again. Wacky.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Andrew, do you never have any idea of when to stay out of something? I really would have preferred had you not linked to this on the moderation board.

Most people who dislike me keep out of this thread because it's fairly obvious it's going to be the usual naval gazing. And now you've given a direct link to the biggest cnuts on ILX. That was not exactly tactful. Thanks. :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

This thread's often at the top of new answers anyway so I don't reckon that'll do much

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm naval gazing:
http://www.hcucc.org/images/sailing-ship.jpg

Archel (Archel), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no there'll be Cap'n Whassname pics all over the thread again in a minute

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry, it's got worse. I just burst out uncontrollably crying for about 20 minutes and had to go and sit in the bathroom. This is really not fun. I think I should probably go home soon. This is really not normal behaviour, even for me. :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Aw Kate, that's lousy. I hope you feel better soon.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

this is the post where I say:

You don't know me
You don't understand me.
You don't like me.
You instinctively dislike or revile anything which is outside of your tiny, parochial concept of what constitutes 'normal'.

Why on earth should I give a flying *fuck* about what your opinion of me is?

I don't have to do this any more. And I'm not going to.

Now can we have a picture of Captain Anderson? I don't know if I should carry on working or just go home.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

If you go home, your working day will have been fucked up disproportionately. If you stay at work, you'll be passing up the opportunity to leave work early. But you will not have been disarmed by a carrot cake.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Please stop teasing me about being laid low by a carrot cake. This makes me feel even stupider than having an allergy to something as ridiculous as fish. It was all the PURE REFINED SUGAR that has monged my brain into a foreign object.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Unless you're not actually teasing, and you are actually taking the piss. :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

It's not stupid to feel a bit odd from food. Anyway, when would you normally leave work?

xpost no it wasn't pisstaking, or even teasing really. Just a shorthand for the whole sugar-brain-melt thing.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Before I completely lose the plot, is that actually directed at me, Kate?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

No, Andrew. I know that you were trying to help diffuse the situation.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

What I mean is, maybe if you allow the day to be fucked up further by leaving work, the episode will have had an even more disproportionate effect that might be expected.

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)


Music work-in-progress, in case anyone's interested, like. 1/2 finished.

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2U8SIQCDWVYXC30EPNBXI38JUM

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I guess. But it's still not very pleasant to be running off to the loo every ten minutes because your eyes have uncontrollably sprung a leak. :-(

My shrink yesterday wasn't very sympathetic about my being so physically ill, either. He was all "I'm not surprised that you've made yourself sick with all the stress you're under."

To which I felt like shouting "WELL, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING ME MANAGE THAT STRESS, BUT YOU MADE IT WORSE BY PISSING OFF FOR A MONTH!"

I think I should take a day off to get my head back on.

Anyway, this is all nothing to do with anything. I'm having some ginger tea to help my stomach ache. I'm going to turn into one of those horrible tedious hippie girls who can't eat or drink anything fun, I know it. :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

x-post, ooh, I can burn that to disc and listen to that tonight, Pash, because I'm collecting a bunch of MP3s to take home.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Tea's a good idea, it'll help metabolise the sugar faster. Maybe. Or probably too late anyway. It tastes nice so that's a good reason, if nothing else...

beanz (beanz), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, FFS... :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

???

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Double standards fuck me off.

I'm also vaguely pissed off about banned from the Boris thread now that it finally appears to actually be about Boris again. :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

some gay music might help sooth the mood

http://www.redbulldozers.com/music/beautiful.mp3

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'll download that too, then.

What I really want is one of these, to just run over malefactors:

http://talk.buybelowcost.com/groupee/forums/a/ga/ul/879106498/inlineimg/Y/earth_mover_5.jpg

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

I sussed out what you were on about. Kate, go to your settings page, and select "hide images". That way, you get to click on only the images you want to look at. I don't know how anyone can stand looking at ilx with images on, to be honest.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

No, that's not what I'm pissed off about. I'm on broadband and have a pretty relaxed workplace, so I'd rather enjoy the picture theads.

What pisses me off is:

Behaviour X in poster Y: perfectly fine, can get away with it
Behaviour X in Kate: ban her, because Moderator Y just doesn't like her

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

wrong again

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, whatever, I'm just enjoying the pictures of the giant earth-destroying monsters.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Some of the things certain mods have openly said about abusing their positions are THE most off-putting things about being on ILE these days.

(not Stevem, btw - though Steve, did you just stalk Kate?!)

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

no Mark i'm just here for you, baby.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think much of behaviour X has ever been tolerated.

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

I could see Captain Anderson captaining one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/JaredHarrisPhotoGallery/TV%20Series/The%20Ends%20of%20the%20Earth/bvgold02.jpg

BY CHRIST, GET OFF MY FOREDECK, OR I'LL SCOOP YOU UP IN A GIANT MONSTERMACHINE BUCKET AND CRUSH YOU LIKE AN INSECT, YOU LANDLUBBING CRETIN!!!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

I usually delete img spamming whoever it's by, fwiw.

What are you referring to, barry?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

> Music work-in-progress, in case anyone's interested, like. 1/2 finished.

ending needs some work 8) great otherwise.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it is a bit abrupt, isn't it. There's about 5mins of pipe organage w/mellotron & taurus pedal after that, but I need to import the part into "cubase" before I can mix it down, har. (trans: I forgot to do a fadeout)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

red bull dozers' tune has a great ending (also it's a cover)

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Is that you, Ken? I thought it was good, either way.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

t'was.. i was woefully out of tune at times partly to do with not hearing myself properly (and partly can't sing)

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

Mods who actually make reference to the fact that they can and do find out who anonymous posters are etc. That's terrible IMHO.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I don't do that, except if it's logged out snipers and trolls, nearly all of whom are the same person, as it happens.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think the strains that a moderator has to go through could turn even a saint into an asshole eventually.

However, it really doesn't help if the person was a cnut to start with, *before* they became a mod. :-(

Anyway, enough of this tack, I don't want this to turn into another "bitch about the moderators" thread.

Maybe I should just give up on this thead entirely and stick to threads about cranes and steam engines and berries. :-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and spambots as well.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

accusations of past feuds and the c-word reminds me of an old ilx conversation :(

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

(x-post!)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

:-(

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

sorry :( i just got reminded of it

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

anyways.. time for dancing with my broken foot. see you guys next week i guess!

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

No, I'm reminded of the bad old days, too, and that's what makes me want to run away and hide.

x-post hope your foot gets better SEE THE DOCTOR!!!

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

i'm gonna go tomorrow. hopefully i won't try any stupid dance moves while drunk.

ken c (ken c), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Not at work today. Decided to take a personal day, because, well, I'M WORTH IT. How were you weekends?

I got a lot of work done, wrote my Plan B article, had tea with my new upstairs neighbour (bike riding textile designer, very cool, I like her a lot! we are planning to garden in the courtyard) and Sunday I went to the Tate to see the Gothic Nightmares exhibit.

Was slightly disappointed with that, as Fuseli seemed to be a bit of a one hit wonder, but it's always lovely to see Blake stuff out of the archives.

Fish is Biodegradable! (That Means It Rots) (kate), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yay for nice neighbours! Ours are Big Scary Al (landlord) and Friendly Gordon. Friendly Gordon stands outside his front door in all weathers passing the time of day with inhabitants of the street, it's like Corrie.

I had a lovely weekend - lunch with mum, grandmum, sister, sister's bf and Matt on Saturday, then dinner, wine and Boosh DVDs with our friend Sophie, and country walk and tea party for another friend's birthday on Sunday.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and my department is not being shut down yay. Just glad I don't work in Chemistry or Continuing Education...

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hurrah! I was thinking of you when I heard Sir Harry Kroto being interviewed on Today about the Chemistry department shutting. He is Against.

Today = a bit rubbish.

Then again, my life = a bit rubbish.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Alas poor Hrry - this will make three degrees/honorary degrees he's turned down/given back in protest at chemistry closures I think! Will he have any left? I fear it's a case of swimming against the tide...

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yes - he said he was rather upset to be returning a degree to his own university, but it was the principle of the thing...

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Alright dudes. I am very very tired today.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

You're not the only one. Anyway, hurrah for The Libertine and London in its grimy Restoration way.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

We are finalising artwork for the EP tonight. Then it is off to the printers! Then it will come back and we will notice the terrible spelling error, no doubt.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Orlright tissp. We just got the new issue of the poetry journal I work on back from the printers, and some of the content that was electronically submitted has lost all its apostrophes somewhere along the way :(
Cover looks ace though.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no! Who's fault is it?

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Dunno (not mine though, I only wrote reviews!) Thankfully no typos in actual poems though which is always the worst thing because the poets get cross.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 March 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, I am filling in an application form and it seems relevant to mention my public library stints as a student (which I often leave out) but the only way I can find the exact dates is by reading my old diaries! Nooo! I was miserable then - how much angst will I have to wade through to get the info?

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 March 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Cross poets!! Eek!!!

I'm feeling awful this morning, because I had to come into work at half-seven.

It wouldn't be so bad if I hadn't a) stayed up until 12.30am because I was chatting to someone online b) forgot to set my alarm clock.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

eew i just pissed into a tube so i can give it to a GP in a minute

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning, dudes. Pissing in tubes! What a way to start the day!

Back at work and too scared of my inbox to open it right now, heh. What have I missed? Blimey.

Arch, I'm glad you still have a job, but jeez - shutting down Chemistry? This seems ill advised. Surely that should be a growth industry? Country walks and tea parties sound lovely, though.

I want to see The Libertine, too. Johnny Deep in wigs and frock coats, how can you go wrong?

Hurrah for CD artwork! I've been working on some for Luxembourgh. I'm not sure they'll like it, though, it's a bit too William Blake and not enough Aubrey Beardsley.

Oh no, Lost Apostrophes! Sounds like a band. Or you should change the name of the journal to that. I like it.

And hope today is going better, FP.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah. it's kind of gross. and they just told me to leave it on a shelf in the toilet next to the piss of others. somebody can go there and literally take the piss and take it home with them.. what if there's traces of sperm in my piss and somebody took it home to impregnate themselves with it!?!?!??!

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

haha, today is gonna be FUCKED UP.

the kit! (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

No, please let today not be FUCKED UP because I'm finally nice and calm and content, and I don't want to get all wound up again.

I've been having some very interesting thoughts lately. Thinking a great deal about "madness" and how that is the default term of choice for dismissing uncontrollable women. Set off partly by images in the Blake/Fuseli exhibition, and partly by other events...

I'd like to start a thread about the Emily Dickenson poem, but it'd go all Momus in a matter of moments. :-(

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

is it because she'sa pirate?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

fucked up as in strange.
today is obv gonna be GRATE, there's no way it can go wrong now. surely?

the kit! (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, I'm here half an hour and I can feel my blood pressure start to rise. I have too much to do and everyone wants it all at once. Deep breath.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

i hope nobody uses my pee to make babies.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

Have you read The Yellow Wallpaper Kate? It's great.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds really familiar... I'm pretty sure I have, but it would have been about 20 years ago, so I've forgotten most of it.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

Quick google, and yes, now it's coming back to me.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

One annoying thing down, 65 to go. I wish I was kidding.

They (bosses, shrinks, etc.) always say "you're ill, you should take some time off!" but it's not like the work goes away while I'm not there. If anything, it piles up even more. Argh.

What kind of tea should I have today? Went to a Turkish restaurant after the Tate and the utter incompetence of the staff (they really did fuck up *every* order we made in some way) was made up for by the GORGEOUSNESS of their mint and rose tea. I've never had anything so lovely. I need to get me some of that.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and I almost forgot! The best thing ever! As well as Alex James being on the cover of the Guardian Guide, he wrote A COLUMN THIS WEEK IN COUNTRY LIFE!!! All about his rubble mountain and his pond and plans for his new sheds. He loves his sheds.

There's something comforting about Alex James being in Country Life. Like my childhood idols are growing up with me.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

he lives in a house, a very big house in the country.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

Come on, you can do better. Even Country Life made that joke before you!

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Hello. I took yesterday off cos I've fucked up my neck somehow. Now I'm back at work but I left my painkillers at home.

Went to the Science Museum's under-the-sea Imax 3D thing on Sunday. It was really disappointing.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh man, I'm sorry about your neck. That sounds painful.

I've never really seen an Imax. I just tend to think that they won't be very good.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, it's much better today though. Spent 4 hours at an NHS walk-in centre on Saturday though. Cleverly done – it's the same as A&E, but if it's not urgent you get told you're in the walk-in centre queue and then they don't have to see you within the 4 hour national target. Smart, eh?

I'd never been to an Imax before either. The technology is a bit shakey, though I'm sure it was spectacular when it was invented. And they didn't make use of it properly either. A few shots of sharks, octopus, crab, tube anemones and then a reminder that humans destroy things. They shot it all on one reef, it looked like, and if you've ever seen a nature documentary there wasn't anything new. AND it was narrated by Johnny Depp and Kate Winslet. "Hey, who's that cheeky fella?" "It's a crab, and he looks hungry" etc.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, that sounds like it was "designed for kidz!" and therefore patronising and talking down to the audience. I hate that kind of thing, and hated it more when I was a child.

Good things "for kids" will actually managed to convey a sense of wonder which will appeal to adults, as well. Hopefully.

Or maybe we're just too old and jaded for these things.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

The kid behind me was pretty bored, until he discovered a new and exciting way of passing the time, which was to hit me on the head with the 3D spex

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

I took yesterday off cos I've fucked up my neck somehow.

Went to the Science Museum's under-the-sea Imax 3D thing on Sunday.

strained your neck looking at the big screen?


i saw this 3D movie at the new disneyland that's opened in hong kong with my family. it was pretty good actually. there were bits that looked like it was flying into you and my mum tried to grab it. it was sweet.

also: they don't seem to be red and blue anymore, the glasses, do they use like polarised light or something?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Does the polarised light thing actually work? Joe spend ages trying to replicate 3D effects that way, and didn't manage to come up with much of anything.

I'm having lunch now. I've got the edge of a headache and don't know why. I've had water, I'm having food, but I suspect that it's just due to stress. Bah.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Strained neck on Friday. Sitting in the cinema couldn't have helped though.

You're right, the glasses weren't red/blue, just a kind of muddy colour. I don't know if it was polarised or what. One of the problems was that the film was already focused for you, so you couldn't see the corners of the images properly. The 3D-ness was good when things were swimming right at you, but they hardly did that. They did have some cool shots of sharks and things. But a three-second clip of next week's Planet Earth with a fish swallowing an entire shoal of littler fish was more wow than the whole Science Museum thing.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I want an ARP 2500 synthesiser:

http://discretesynthesizers.com/arptronics/arp2500.htm

the soundclips are great.

Argh.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I am not caving in and getting a telly just for Planet Earth, but my god, it's tempting with everything I've been reading about it.

x-post... ARP? Eep!

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and Pash, I got to listen to your unfinished song at the weekend (funny, the TISSP one didn't come through, bah, my MP3 player must hate him)

I really, really liked it, it was lovely. I kinda like the abruptness of the ending - perhaps you could play with that idea, create the sound of a tape being eaten, or a record skipping to go along with it? I like happy accidents like that. Are you going to leave it instrumental, or do you want to put vocals on it?

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

WTF?

Some people really have no lives. Look at the latest round of trolling. Are some people really *that* bored? I'm perplexed, yet amused.

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/newanswersblog.php?board=15

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Kate, it is probably better that mine didn't come through as it's all a bit different now. You can get it from http://iff-transponder.co.uk/city_seventeen/media.html though now.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, I'll download that, then. Hurrah!

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

You can also look at the pretty videos too. Assuming they work (which seems to be a bit hit and miss for most people).

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

(Oh, and I snuck into WH Smiths this lunchtime and looked at the photo in i-D. Very purty.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

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steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Videos don't work on this machine, at all. :-(

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Bugger. I should redo them in MPEG for people.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

No - it's nothing to do with your formatting, videos, OF ANY SORT AT ALL just don't work on this computer.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

maybe animated gif will!

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Ah right. They're H.264 encoded, which has caused problems for other people before, though–so I will eventually have to reencode them.

xpost

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

you should L.337 encode it!

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Morning. Yes, I'm here early. I was planning on leaving early today, to go and meet AMPy for a drink, and give her the artwork for my Plan B column, but I'm an idiot and have forgotten the artwork. Bah.

FP, you're being quiet lately - everything alright? It's weird to come in and find you not here already.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

i'm quiet!
i want some attention too!

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

Kit, you may be many things, but you're hardly quiet. You're like the cat that comes and sits on your newspaper, purring, when you're trying to read. :-)

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

Hi greg! Hi Kate!

I started my day with an angry Nigerian man shouting at me on the phone. Things can only get better, right?

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

Why was an angry Nigerian man shouting at you? Because you stole his ill-gotten trust fund that he was trying to hijack your bank account with?

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning!
I only seem to post in the first couple of hours at work. Must do better.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

Morning, Beanz!

I am trying to persuade Johnney B that he should spend less time working and more time posting, but he's not having it. he says hello to everyone, though.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, no he was angry because he hadn't received a fax which we'd 'promised' to send him yesterday. (We'd been trying all day in fact but his fax number was constantly tied up.)

I can feel my phone phobia coming back now :(

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

gee, i always figured i was kinda quiet...

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

And what's wrong with phone phobias? They are evil and nasty things, phones, and best avoided at all costs. I tend to just unplug mine for weeks at a time and no one really notices.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning everyone! I slept FUCKING FANTASTICALLY last night, thanks to the wonders of our drummers' medicine cabinet, and now I feel GRATE.

Also, phones are horrible things.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

And I'm all cross again about the tutor who gives people MY number when they ask for his direct line.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, so that's what happened to the big bottle of morphine, TISSP!

Bah, that's rubbish, Archel. Just tell people they have the wrong number and hang up.

(This is possibly why i don't work in a customer facing role.)

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Some of my colleagues are reciting the Goodness Gracious Me 'Going for an English' sketch. I must be really grumpy cos I just want to shout at them that it's ten years old, how can it possibly be as uproariously amusing as they find it now

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, Nigerian man just phoned AGAIN. And someone is bashing the water pipes next door because the radiator is bust, and I feel a headache sneaking up inexorably...

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Tell Nigerian man to GET THE F*CK OFF THE FAX. If that doesn't work, then start faxing the document to his landline. Repeatedly.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

maybe they didn't see it 10 years ago, so it's new to them and therefore funny.
plus i still find things funny from 10 years ago, and i've seen them like 100 times. don't be so mean.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

They've definitely seen it before. But yes, I shouldn't be mean about it.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

The "going for an english" sketch really was funny at the time though, so I can forgive them.

I slept badly last night because I have this tickly cough which barely bothers me during the daytime but starts bugging me when I lie down. Worse than that, it prevents a poorly Sgs from getting the sleep she needs.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

Argh. "Being a boy" about things does not seem to have worked.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Do you have feathers in your pillows Mark?

Kate what are you being a boy about?

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

No, no feathers - I've had manmade pillows ever since I discovered I was, uh, allergic to feathers. No, it's part of the many and varied symptoms of the common head cold.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

About ending a relationship. bah.

I don't want to think about that, I want to think about H.P. Lovecraft film festivals and how I can get to PDX for them. Oh, the tentacles!

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't the stuffed Cthulhu cute?

http://www.toyvault.com/cthulhu/images/cthulhusmall.jpg

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

Aw!

Thank god, lunch time. A whole hour safe from the reach of yelling Nigerians!

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

i might go for an english breakfast in a bit.

slept for 4 hours innit. had to stay up to do work last night. the only other person in my bit had gone home "with a headache". wimp. just had to tell someone politely to deal with their own problems when i was asked something i had nothing to do with. still. get paid for this innit.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

why do you want to be a boy about ending a relationship kate?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

PDX = Portland?

You'll never be boy-like with a stuffed-Cthulhu-loving attitude like that.

Don't be boy-like, doesn't hurt to explain you don't find it easy (if that's what you mean)

xxpost

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hello.

I am partly quiet because I keep having "aargh, why is life shit?" moments, and partly because I keep having to unplug my normal work computer for a few hours at a time.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, Portland, Oregon. Sigh.

I just don't have it in me to have a big, emotional breakup right now. I just wasn't feeling the relationship, and didn't want to be in it. I thought maybe if we didn't get see each other for a couple of weeks, or if we stopped returning each others' texts/emails then it would be clear that it had kind of fizzled out.

Now he's emailing me again, and I don't know if I should be polite but cold, or if I should just ignore it for the time being. I've got plenty of emails from friends I haven't had the time to reply to yet. :-(

x-post, hello!

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

Polite but cold would leave him scratching his head and wondering what he'd done wrong, making the inevitable break-up conversation more difficult as he'd have a 'why did you treat me like that?' angle (fairly or unfairly). Then it really would be big and emotional. If you tell him at the earliest opportunity, he'll think you treated him fairly. It's never going to be easy, but the longer it gets, the worse it'll be, I reckon.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, so that's what happened to the big bottle of morphine, TISSP!

It wasn't the morphine (sadly), but it was MELATONIN. I have discovered the wonder-drug for the 90s.

(Beanz OTM)

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want to break up with him via email, though. I think that's totally lame.

It's been done to me often enough by boys and even though it left me perplexed and angry, it seemed OK in their mind that "I don't call her for several weeks and just disappear" = "I have broken up with her."

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

You should categorically deny the existence of the relationship, which will leave him confused, but not particularly upset or angry. If you can continue this for a long enough time he will begin to believe that you are in fact right and the relationship NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just having a non productive day. My thing that I'm trying to do just WILL NOT WORK, no matter what way I approach it. Argh. It's such a simple thing (i.e. sort employees based on their percentage or their targets) but Crystal just will not let me sort based on calculated fields involving subreports. Why not?!??!

I am a wutz. I sent a totally non committal reply going "I've been really busy. How are you?" If he wants to meet up, I'll suggest that we Have To Talk which is pretty much boyspeak for "this is over" anyway, right?

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

it seemed OK in their mind that "I don't call her for several weeks and just disappear"

girls do this too

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

I am in software licensing hell. :-( And I've just made the mistake of eatign a whole orange Green & Blacks bar of chocolate, so I'm hoping that the resulting high will ease me through the next four hours...

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

::backs away slowly::

argh, oh no sugar high oh no...

Actually, that said G&B is quite low in sugar for most chocolates and has a high cocoa content, so it's the cocoa high, which might last longer and have less of a comedown.

I am eating oranges now. I am sick of curry, though. And I've still got two more days of it to go. :-(

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

argh, software licensing hell definitely doesn't sound like one of the *nice* hells.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

you've been sponsored by Cobra?

xpost

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

xposts one and all!

Cocoa high - Well, that's good to know; I guess it's going to be an interesting coding session this afternoon, anyway :).

No, FP, it's definitely a bad hell - especially when my predecessor seems to have had a rather lax approach to keeping license paperwork!

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

I can't eat chocolate and orange together, it gives me headaches :( I miss it.

Sat in Trafalgar Sq at lunch and they have Heritage Wardens in day-glo jackets wandering around. Ever come across one of these? Are they there to give directions or to tell off tourists for feeding pigeons or what?

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds like a rather familiar situation. I don't know where *any* pre-me paperwork is stored.

My predecessor also had a habit of buying stuff - like, extra licences or support contracts - and then not activating it. The Windows Client Access licenses were easy to sort out, once I found where he'd hidden the paper copies of the inactive ones. Slightly more annoying: phoning up a support line to invoke a hardware support contract, only to be told: "you do not have a hardware support contract - you may have *paid* for one, but it had to be registered within a month of purchase to be activated".

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Heritage Wardens? I think they are there to protect H. Nelson.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

He could protect himself, by all accounts

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

I am BORED. And HUNGRY. I am watching flash memory be programmed. And waiting for it to finish.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Entertain me, Watercoolants.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

noes.

i get no attention, you get no entertainment. it's like math(s).

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

(I just wanted to refer to you all as 'watercoolants')

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost to myself, of course)

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

OK, maybe not protect, but do his stoney robotic bidding. H. Nelson will pwn us all.

(Sorry, the Gothic exhibit at the Tate only served to remind me what an astonishingly HANDSOME bloke he was, even one-eyed and one-armed.)

What shall we do to be entertaining? Improvised dance routines?

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

in fact, in retrospect, i'm so offended by that "cat that bothers you when you're busy" comparison, i may go make a daring leap from the bookcase to the sofa, and *whoops* accidentally knock over that expensive lamp and like, make it smash.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

What shall we do to be entertaining? Improvised dance routines?

In ASCII

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, tell me about the Madonna album you bought. In turn I will reveal the terrible secrets of the Delays album.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

You have just reminded me that I need to get the Delays album, so perhaps I shall go out for lunch and get it.

::picks up g-kit and puts him back on the sofa, petting his head::

In the mean while, here is the fully armed and eyed H. Nelson to AWE you all:

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/upload/img/BHC2901.jpg

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

that's really patronising. i feel like Garfield here. i'm saying all this stuff but nobody can actually hear it and i just get treated like a cat.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

Nelson doesn't look much the warmongerer to me. Kinda effeminate.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Young Nelson *was* quite handsome wasn't he? Pointy nose!

xpost bah

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

DO YOU SEE!?

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

you should change your nickname to the man!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

people here treat me as if i don't have a surname :(((((((

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

everyone haets the man though.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

negative attention is still attention innit!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

i wish more people haet me

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

people here treat me as if i don't have a surname :(((((((

We don't like your new fangled technology round here, chu

-- steal compass, drive north, disappear (tiss...) (webmail), March 14th, 2006 2:12 PM. (tissp) (later) (link)

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

That pic's brimming with sex. Bulging crotch, hand fondling his pommel, he standing erect between two nippley hills, etc

Ken you've been watching It's Me or the Dog, or Supernanny, or something?

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

I said bulging crocth but it's a bit of a camel toe really isn't it

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know what it is, but that picture = TEH SEX0R!!!

Anyway, I'm back from my walk. I discovered just how DANGEROUSLY CLOSE to Rough Trade my office is. They didn't have the other album I wanted, but the bloke did tell me that Final Fantasy are playing at the Lumi soon. Hurrah! But now I have the Delays album. Now I need to open it up and look for piccies.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

i <3 u tissp!!!!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

God, they make you work to get the pretty pictures.

I do like the album cover design, though.

However... where is Lost In A Melody?!??! Man, I hate singles that don't turn up on albums.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

The aren't really any good pictures, but the front cover is lovely, and the back cover is very 70s disco vinyl. I was also impressed by how glossy it is. And yeah, I meant to warn you about Lost In A Melody.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey, it is glossy. It's covered in fingerprints already. :-(

There's a picture in the CD tray itself. Aaron looks disturbingly like an ex of mine.

Oh yeah, the Madonna album is GRATE if you don't bother listening to lyrics. Which are dire, but who listens to Madonna for the lyrics, you listen for the DISCO which is fab. I wish there were less pictures of her crotch, though. That disturbs me.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I meant to text you my synopsis of the Delays record, which is "Previously melodic but unassuming indie pop band out-Madonna Madonna". Perhaps I will give her record a whirl.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Funny, I heard they sound like a-Ha. ;-)

I kinda hoped that Aaron would lead them in a rave direction.

Now I have been taken off the impossible report, and put onto WorkSmart. God, I hate WorkSmart. It's written in an unbelievably archaic language, IIRC, and I aint' talking Chaucer.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, A-Ha, too. And Bronski Beat.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

This sounds better and better. I wish I had headphones with me.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

i have headphones.

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Ohmigod, I forgot, and just remembered! My company owes me nearly £500! I just filled out the form. Hurrah.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

I've just been sent a rather odd press release. Not sure how this is relevant to our readers, although maybe they are all wankers – http://responsesource.com/releases/rel_display.php?relid=QLgQz

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Owes you £500? From what?

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, yes yes yes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Hello Ned. How's things?

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god, Beanz the author of that press release has the same name as a cousin of mine. Please dear god, let it not be him...

£500! The commission from my mortgage! It goes to ME! Because it was a staff referral. If any of you get mortgages, I'd get the commission, too. Anyone want a mortgage.

Morning, Ned!

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, Kate, you have a sister right? Or am I making this up?

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

g-kit. did you ever go to the pub before b&s that friday? i only stayed 5 minutes as other people had arranged alternative meetups elsewhere. and did your new wizzo pc get built over christmas?

oh, and kate, don't worry about the music and soundfx i mentioned in email yesterday as it's probably too much to ask. if it's only going to take you 30 minutes or so or if you have something suitable just lying around tha t i can have then it'd be great but don't worry about it otherwise. cheers.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Hello Ned. How's things?

They is. I am listening to Bass Communion and being merry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Good good. I will be visiting the US soon, but a quick check reveals I will be a bit far away from you :(

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

TISSP, I have a childhood best friend who was born on the same day as me, and we sometimes refer to each other as "sister" or "twin" but no biological sisters. Unfortunately?

Sorry I haven't replied to yer email, Koogsy - I do actually have to look up how to make videogame sound effects for one of our songs, but I can't think of any offhand. However, you have reminded me to contact my videogame designing friend to ask him.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

ellos koogster.

i didn't go into the pub, no. but i did notice it while queuing, and mentioned to kat that ilx0rs be drinking. but i don't know what you look like, therefore, futile. i don't even know if you're a man or a lady. and yes, my PC got built with ZERO problems (for a change). it's really great, so i named it UBERLEET on the profile. har!!!

the kit! (g-kit), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

Good good. I will be visiting the US soon, but a quick check reveals I will be a bit far away from you :(

We can't have that. (Then again I will be on the East Coast for a bit in April.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

TISSP, I have a childhood best friend who was born on the same day as me, and we sometimes refer to each other as "sister" or "twin" but no biological sisters. Unfortunately?

A while ago I thought I saw someone that looked exactly like you on TV, then pondered if you had a sister and the relative probabilities of her appearing on TV. Never mind! I'm not sure why this came to mind just now, either.

We can't have that. (Then again I will be on the East Coast for a bit in April.)

Ah but I will be in the San Francisco area in May. My sense of scale is atrocious when it comes to the 'merica, I imagine the distance to be five days' travel or something...

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

How strange. I've met doppelgangers before (now that is a freaky occurance. A mutual friend insisted we looked alike, and I didn't see it, until she made us switch glasses, and then it was "eep, freaky!")

My mouse just ceased functioning - it would go up and down, but not side to side. So I've got another one, but just found out that the IT Manager has ordered me an optical mouse! Hurrah! I can't remember what I did for him to get this, but I did something. Report-based, that is.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

I hate Pascal. Why do people still PROGRAMME in this crap? Argh.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

do you clean your mouse ever kate? that's why they break, they are just dirty (bloke on Click Online wrote in saying he had to change his mouse every three months because it would stop working. i think he must've lived in a coalmine or something)

picking the crusty bits off the rollers inside a mouse = one of life's little pleasures.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it was wonky so I took it to pieces and cleaned it. And that's when the side to side motion just ceased.

I like the mouse I've been give in the interim. It's got a wheel, which I like.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

In other words, Kate, you broke it? ;)

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

> but i don't know what you look like, therefore, futile. i don't even know if you're a man or a lady.

are you saying i look like a bird, like?

in the blue here:
http://www.koogy.clara.co.uk/photos/Koog3.jpg (ha ha)
http://www.koogy.clara.co.uk/photos/andyonrock.jpg
http://www.koogy.clara.co.uk/photos/dino.jpg
most recent one:
http://www.koogy.clara.co.uk/photos/dovercastle.jpg

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

threadkilla. 8(

have just spent 3 times longer writing and debugging the unit tests than i did to write the original code (which is fine). grrr.

just found some camouflage era Bunnymen videos on youtube.com. woo. will and pete look like they're about to go all colonel kurtz but Mac just can't pull it off because he's too fresh faced. great popol vuh video on there too.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Awww, your hair was super blond when you were a child! Very cute!

Stupid laptop that doesn't do videos, YouTube is a totally lost cause for me.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

youtube uses flash for the videos so you might be lucky.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime, I get to boast a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey.

I've never encountered such an unhelpful report designer. No help files at all. The manual was clearly written by someone's mate, and bears no relevance whatsoever to anything I need to do. I went on a two day training course, but it was LAST YEAR and even my own notes look like Greek to me.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Ohmigod, I have no idea what I just did. I just did the most counter intuitive "well, I'll break it now!" thing and it actually worked. I understand not. Sigh.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

picking the crusty bits off the rollers inside a mouse = one of life's little pleasures.

Hurrah, I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks this.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like sending an email to my boss saying "if you want a Pascal programmer, hire one. Don't expect me to be able to learn this stupid program WITHOUT A SODDING MANUAL."

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

hello ppl pls to throw as many words of 4 syllables and up at me as possible by the time i get up tomorrow (umm NOON! i have been up at like 5.30 and 6.30 for ten days and it just DO NOT FLY) because the people with me in deutschland they do not use words like antediluvian &c kthxbye bednowzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 16 March 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

i am so tired that i think i'm going to dream of antidisestablishmentarianism

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

Morning, sexy people.

I think I have doomed myself. There was something which might have been going to happen, and I just told someone about it. If I tell someone about something good which might be going to happen, it always falls through.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning
Could it be that good things do happen and you have told people about them in advance, but you haven't noticed?

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

That doesn't sound right. I mean, don't give up hope.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm. Not that I've noticed.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

Negative Thinking for Positive Results then. To help, I'll share your pessimism.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hurrah!

I am tempted to tell you what the thing in question is, because it is quite cool (if you're me), but I don't want to jinx it further.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

If you say what it is while stressing that it won't happen, you won't have jinxed it, surely?

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha.

The thing that almost certainly isn't going to happen is: I was chatting to someone online, and she seems to be interested in the idea of me popping over and taking some portraits of her (and possibly her current play partner).

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

(this is because: she always hates photos of herself, but I persuaded her that whether someone looks good in a photo or not is largely down to the skill of the photographer, and not the appearance of the person)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds cool... shame it's not going to happen :)

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yup.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hurrah, Emsk is back!

However, this morning my disappearing shrink went on the lam again. WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!? This time he's "ill" - but couldn't someone have managed to tell me that before I hauled my ass down for the session? I'm just sick of the incompetence around there. I don't know whether to ask to get a new shrink (with the usual waiting time) or else just give up, get the book on CBT and do it myself. :-(

Grrrrr. I went to therapy for anger management, and all it does is make me more angry lately.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get to have sick days, why should he? It's not like his job is hard, he just sits around all day, listening to lunatics and occasionally going "...and how did that make you feel?"

Is he going to disappear for another month again? I just don't trust the bastard any more. :-(

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, Kate.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

Well, in happier news, I got what I thought was going to be a Council Tax bill this morning, but it's actually a "tell us who you are!" form to fill in, and I actually qualify for a discount, being a single person owner/occupier. Hurrah.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

I got a council tax bill yesterday. It made me feel queasy for a few seconds.

The therapist isn't to blame for being ill, it's his office who should have told you. Try shouting down the phone at them until they agree you need a session urgently and get their shit together :)

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I just think it's fools and THE WEAK who get to take sick days, because I don't. Maybe I've been infected by corporate presenteeism.

However, the office are freaking rubbish. This is the third time now I've turned up to find no therapist, and no one has bothered to tell me.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

They clearly suck

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

Everybody sucks. It is the way of things. When I am King, they will be first against the wall. ;-)

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

They clearly suck

You can say that again

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

I need apply for that discount soon too, my house mate is leaving at the end of the month. Do I just ring them up to apply for the discount, or will I be lucky enough to receive the same form just like that?

many many xp's

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know. They just sent me the form because it is a new house and I've just bought it. You probably have to tell them that your housemate is leaving and then they will send you the form. I imagine.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

Morning all! I have continued my experimentations and have decided that I be needin' the MELATONIN on a regular basis. I slept awfully again last night, after staying up far too late still pissing about with our artwork in Photoshop.

I am also, interestingly, staring at exactly the same screen I was looking at this time yesterday morning, having been on several round trips before arriving back here at square one without actually achieving anything. So much for hour's worth of out of box testing! Day three AND RUNNING.

Ste, you have to ring up the council and tell them. They will send you a form and the wheels of bureaucracy will turn.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Sodding Coalesce, grrrrr.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

"Coalesce" *is* a nice word, though.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

It's a useful function, but not working properly in this annoying programme. Anyway, let's not talk about this, let's talk about something nice.

Quick, someone think of something nice.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

My kernel hasn't panicked for the first time in two days if that counts.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

(This is nice for me)

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Let's talk about doughnuts. I've been dropping hints here that it's not my turn to buy them. I went out for a cig and a woman walked past carrying one of those boxes of twelve.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

This is how stupid and annoying this program is... they have a COPY function, to copy reports/templates but no PASTE function. How dumb is that?

Anyway, yeah, flowers, berries, Rickenbachers.

I had strange dreams last night. In one of them, a friend who I'm currently experiencing... difficulties with got together with my ex. In the dream, it was horrible, but on waking I thought "ha ha, actually, yeah, you deserve each other" In the other, I was having wonderful sex with a friend of mine (who happens to be gay) but my mum got cross when I tried to go and see him in her car, and left me in the wilds of North London to find his house solely from memory, with a ripped up A to Z.

I need a new A to Z. The back cover has finally ripped off mine. Sigh.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

Though no, no doughtnuts. These days, even one Krispy Kreme would probably put me in a coma.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

What kernel are you using for it to panic so often?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to buy donuts last night from the shop, but one of the packets seem to contain a donut with a huge brown growth sticking out of it. i decided to buy & try a microwave hotpot instead. (which was yuk)

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

funny dreams! last night i dreamed i was at the pub with tiny from ultrasound and he was pestering me to try and get him a job at hall or nothing.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

Strange. Why would Tiny want a PR job when you've just spent so much effort getting out of PR?

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

..who Pashmina used to be in a band with! I am disproportionately impressed with this fact.

(xpost)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno. marie off kenickie was working for h or n at reading for a few years. he was very persistent. it was nice to chat with him, and i thought it was real for a bit when i woke up.

i think i might get my hair cut today.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

Get topiary done on your hair. That would be cool!

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

What kernel are you using for it to panic so often?

It's an internal embedded version of 2.6.9 running on a development board. Turns out that the kernel image was slightly corrupted in flash.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ah. That makes sense, then.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

...though, you know, i'm finding that the pr i'm doing now i don't have to do it ALL THE TIME, i'm really enjoying.

xpost

fuck topiary! one of the ppl on the german trip as we went past a garden of trees that had all been shorn into hideous little stunted things, next to their tall stretchy brethren waving in the breeze: "oh, i love trees! i love it when they've been cut down like that!" everyone else: "..." a bit later, someone else: "wow, look at all those flowers!" person 1: "oh, i hate flowers. i just... HATE flowers." wtf... dude, they're FLOWERS! how can you hate flowers? what are you, a 13 year old boy? (no, she is a 40-something year old woman.) this was the same woman who called a hotel in frankfurt and said (in faux-posh haughty voice): "hello... um.... hello... er... do you, er... um. SPEAKA DI EENGLEESH?" and another hotel in munich and said "hello.. er... yes. DO - YOU - SPEAK - er... ANGLAISE?" i mean, i recognise the "if you say it slower and louder they'll understand, don't, like, bother to learn a tiny bit of the language of the country you're going to or anything, fuck 'em, we're doing them a favour by deigning to visit their poxy hole" stereotype who talks to anyone whose first language isn't english as if they're THICK, from off comedy programmes and whatnot, but i seriously did not think these people actually existed outside fawlty towers. i was ready to fucking smack her. SO. RUDE. SO. ARROGANT. SO. PATRONISING. and she insisted on nominating herself spokesperson for the group whenever we were ordering food or booking into a hotel or whatever. i did my best to try and make a point of saying some stuff in german when making my own order or whatever, and in general HELLO talking to people like they are PEOPLE, not SLOW MACHINES (bull & gate band anyone?), but i was just so, so embarrassed to be with her. reinforcing all the bad things about brits abroad :( apart from the fact that it's TOTALLY FUCKING IGNORANT, if i was those hotel/restaurant staff, i would've spat in our food and given us shitty rooms for that. ugh, ugh, ugh. then she called me a weirdo for not liking will young, which coming from her i took as the highest compliment imaginable. maybe i should head to the annoying co-workers thread.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray emsk is back! :)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

How can you hate flowers? People who hate flowers are soulless zombies. ugh. (This is my upstair neighbour's and mine excuse for just putting flowers all over the building before anyone else moves in.)

Though topiary is great. Haven't you ever read Greene Knowe? It's not the same as wee shorn bretheren, it's like box and yew cut to look like ANIMALS and it's great.

This woman sounds awful, though. Blimey.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure about topiary. There's something golf-coursish about it, only less so – formal gardens can be pretty cool and I guess topiary fits better into that end of the landscaping spectrum.

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

Of course, as Green Knowe showed, evil cursed topiary is to be avoided.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Golf courses with topiary? What on earth are you talking about? They only places I've ever seen topiary are crazy gardens of country houses where the gardener has clipped a hedge into the shape of a squirrel or something. There have been some fantastic examples in COuntry Life.

I'd take up topiary if I had the space.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

I mean that taming-of-nature thing. Golf course 'beauty' = antiseptic. Topiary = tamed tree

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

I wantr to expand but I've got to head out

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

hooray i am back! um, yeah. germany is a damn cool country and i wanna go back and i wanna learn german and they have the BEST warning-speed-camera signs i've ever seen.

yeh flower-hataz i know! i just. don't. get it. check 'em out, all wavey and yellow and red and purple and stuff, and all LOOK at ME! i'm on DISPLAY! like peacocks.

yeh, i've seen topiary cut into animal shapes and stuff, but i think i prefer it when the trees are left to just do their own thing. damn, i need a tree to climb. there better be some on sunday!

the woman was AWFUL. she was only there from sun night thank god (oh, the tales i have brought back of Huey's Normal People! is this the real world? if so it is a piece of PISS to live in but i can't take the interminable faffery, not to mention the conversation... ahem ahem where are those 5-syllable words, everyone apart from ken? (and thanks ken...)) and at first i thought i liked her cos at least she's a bit sparky and she moves fast and you can bat insults back and forth with her pretty good and she takes as good as she gives, but the more i spent time with her the more i realised she was AWFUL. she was a replacement for one who went home the week before for various reasons (who also couldn't cope with the talking-to-foreigners thing but at least she wasn't arrogant about it, she just didn't know how to do it, she isn't much good at talking to me either so maybe it's just a general thing). actually most of the people were ok, as people go, i guess. it was just impossible to have (what i'd think of as) a normal conversation with them, eg the second night there we started talking about joining the euro (and i thought "hooray! here we go") and someone said they thought we should because of all the messing about changing money, someone else said they thought we shouldn't because they liked having different money for places and it kept it interesting and individual, and that was the cue for woman-who-went-home to say "oooh! aren't WE political today!" and the conversation died and went back to dancing around borderline racism in a chinese restaurant :( tho there was one person who totally saved my trip by being INTERESTED IN THE WORLD AROUND HER and WANTING TO TALK ABOUT IT. also i read 'the system of the world' while i was there, that helped too.

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Beanz, isn't all gardening "taming of nature" then?

I mean, flowerbeds, pruning trees, hybrids etc. - where do you stand on that?

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

hoorah, i'm here too.

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

x-post, my multisyllabic word is "discombobulation". Which is, perhaps, what I've been feeling recently.

There, you got two for the price of one.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, flowerbeds, pruning trees, hybrids etc. - where do you stand on that?

If you want to get picky, the entire European landscape is completely man-made.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

There used to be a topiary loch ness monster about 3 miles from us, it was GREAT!!

Oh, and Pash, I got to listen to your unfinished song at the weekend (funny, the TISSP one didn't come through, bah, my MP3 player must hate him)

I really, really liked it, it was lovely. I kinda like the abruptness of the ending - perhaps you could play with that idea, create the sound of a tape being eaten, or a record skipping to go along with it? I like happy accidents like that. Are you going to leave it instrumental, or do you want to put vocals on it?

Thanks! Made my day, that did..

The idea is to write a topline on the synthesiser for the 1st and 3rd sections of the acoustic guitar part, I've just got to set the monosynth on top of the string machine and work one out. I dunno though. I have this idea for a vocal/song oriented project, and the guitar part was a bit I was thinking about pulling out to use for that. The chord at the end that gets cut off leads into this sub-baroque pipe organ section that I'm quite pleased with. I just have to import the pipe organ part into cubase.

I'll see if I can get it up online for the weekend.

I'm YSI-ing a bunch of .wav samples of analogue synthesiser oscillators to this synthesiser nut I know in the states - basically 3-semitone across a 5 oct keyboard raw waveforms for importing into someone's sampler. Any use to anyone?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Are you sure it was a Loch Ness Monster, Pash? Not something more local, like a Lambton Worm?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

aaaahhhhhhh

i am rolling over like a kitten

horticultural

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds cool, Pash, I would like to hear the finished product.

Well, on Sunday we shall do some perambulations of some splendiferous horticultural intricacies surrounding the architectural evirons of the edifice that is Penshurst Place.

Failure Isn't Falling, It's Staying Down (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

ahem ahem where are those 5-syllable words, everyone apart from ken?

Dude, dis-pro-por-tion-ate-ly. Just because it was the right word for the sentence doesn't mean points off!

also i read 'the system of the world' while i was there, that helped too.

I am roffling at this because I can see on my bookcase that the book is also The Size of The World, so the paragraph reads like "How were the people? Well, I'd always meant to read War & Peace!"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

hot diggedy damn, annoying cat is what i am. :(

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, g-kit, but the way to get attention is to participate in the conversation, not to whinge that you're not getting any attention. Do you have anything to add about topiary or synthesizers or the Loch Ness Monster vs. the Lambton Worm?

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

noes

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

i've been waiting since like WC#3 for somebody to mention something i know stuff about.

teh_kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

It was definitely the loch ness monster, they'd included the, er, loops of monster sticking out of the water in their sculpting!

(as in this apols for terrible picture, it was the first suitable one that gis dragged up)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

I am roffling at this because I can see on my bookcase that the book is also The Size of The World, so the paragraph reads like "How were the people? Well, I'd always meant to read War & Peace!"

er yeah, that about sums it up! but i'd been trying to read it for about a month and even though i was enjoying it had only got 100 pages in (this is almost entirely the fault of ilx), but this ten days was PERFECT for immersing myself in it. saturday night everyone else went out to a restaurant in town and i lay in the bath reading that with clem snide and thee more shallows on the stereo (all hotel rooms to have cd player as well as bloodyfucking tv: u&k). it was blissful and felt like the most luxurious saturday night i'd had in a looong time. damncool, now i need to read the preceding two.

yo kit, start talking about stuff you know about!

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds like the worm!

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14241/14241-h/images/illus233.jpg

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

More wormy goodness:

http://www.yvonnegilbert.com/cardprnt/womdg600.jpg

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Though she has an almost unreasonable amount of hair. All the hair on my head would not make a braid as thick as what she has, but then she has even more flowing down her back and out the other side!

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

nm

teh_kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, why did I forget my self imposed ban on participating on dating thread on ILX?

Though I have noted how much more pleasurable an experience ILX is when I no longer read the Mod boards.

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I wish the search function worked better, though. I am trying to see if we've done a thread about Dragons, Wyverns and Wurms before.

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

I have hair envy! Though not so much big worm in the lap envy.

We have had a thread about favourite mythical creatures, I think.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, the worm looks rather meek and sheeplike there.

I know we've had threads about mythical creatures and D&D beasts and the like. Because I recall having an argument about what made the difference between a dragon and a wyvern. Also, it may have had Rocs on it.

In fact, I think I may have started it? (Either me or FP?)

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

I was sure we'd had that thread, but I don't think *I* started it.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yes I think you started it kate. I am not having any luck finding it, however.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Curry lunch is goood.

The thing about topiary is that it seems a bit more forced to me than even a garden. Wilderness everywhere wouldn't be great for all sorts of reasons, but I guess in my earlier post I was just wondering out loud if/where there's a line between lovely nature in its natural loveliness – but a bit tidied up – and forcing nature into unnatural forms. Topiary and bonsai trees etc are over the line in my head, somehow. It's like when I'm wandering around some stately home or something, and there are lots of formal gardens, and I'm thinking more about the people who built the gardens and the social history of that sort of thing than admiring the pretty blooms or whatever. I always look for the back door into the unsculpted grounds behind the gardens. I know there's hardly anwhere that looks like it did during the iron age though, except the moors etc.

Anyway, back to wyverns

beanz (beanz), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

Oh here we go: Mythological Creatures: Search and Destroy

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey! I've got to the point where I'm completely repeating myself. Destroy ILX.

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Vaguely related thread:
giant snake
Includes link to (not entirely convincing) photo of giant snake.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

I have just returned from lunch in the pub. We made the mistake of ordering desserts and now I am on a sugar high. Unfortunately the inevitable sugar crash is just around the corner, right when we have a meeting. Should be fun.

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

I am in love with the paisley dragon.

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

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time for a new thread?

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey! Yes. I shall start one.

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder how long it will take Mr. Noodles to turn up on it with this title. ;-)

UK Watercooler Eight: Don't Hate Kate!

Life In An Expanding Multiverse (kate), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Is this Shimura Curves project a joke? Seriously. I had the utter misfortune to be at Pashfest and saw it - a singer/guitarist + 3 of the most untalented women I've ever had the misfortune to see on a stage. Was the dancing supposed to be in time with each other? Were they supposed to be able to sing? Please tell me it's some kinda weird in-joke. Ewww. I want that 30 minutes of my life back. Crap.

scenester (Scene Star 2006), Monday, 27 March 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

5 minutes more research, and you might've made it (Shimura Curves did not perform at Pashfest).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 27 March 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha ha ha pwnd.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 08:21 (nineteen years ago)

That's excellent! :)

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

BWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH.

Lamest troll ever. Do you want a cookie?

Wild Woman With Steak Knives (kate), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

yes please.

teh_kit!!1 has 2 friends (g-kit), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)


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