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"EVERYTHING IS OK!"

Da Na Not! (donut), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Fuck, that was supposed to say Bush <3 Dubai :(

Da Na Not! (donut), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

*shakes head*

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:00 (twenty years ago)

title updated

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Kinda have a separate thread but it started out jokey:

Just Wondering ....

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

With the sole caveat that I wish I had someone more trustable than Bush assuring me that all security concerns are under control, I have no real problem with his line on this one.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

Thus the problem.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

c'mon dudes, it's DUBAI! m.e. party central!

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:56 (twenty years ago)

They're taking our jobs.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 10:42 (twenty years ago)

Some dude on TV expressed it perfectly for me last night. Inasmuch as this calls attention to existing gaps in our port security, go ahead and bash Bush, but his position wrt to the national ownership of the management company is actually correct. What's the alternative, nationalization? All of the 7/7 bombers were British, so why does it necessarily follow that a huge corporation from Dubai is going to be less trustworthy with their new acquisition than a British one was?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

What's the alternative, nationalization?

Hooray! Oh wait...

Your friend and mine Lileks. And an interesting little anecdote from Dreher.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)

What are the chances that the personnel actually working the port management will change? Slim, probably. That's why they bought it; the personnel and infrastructure is already in place.

What will be the negative propaganda ramifications of saying that foreign capital can own companies with security implications for the U.S., provided that they're not Arabs?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

this morning NPR announced the White House had not informed the President until after the agreement had been reached. Tell me WTF is happening to our country? I never believed this "corporations run the US" crap until this morning!! **smirk**

Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Personally I'd argue more that if you're going to implicitly if not explicitly encourage a culture of xenophobic fear over Arabs and Muslims -- a task at which the administration has not shown itself to be idle -- then acting surprised when something like this blows up in your face is kinda dumb.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

why not fix the thread title properly?

bush <3 dubai

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Ned so OTM that checks should be going in the mail today.

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

It's actually Chuck Schumer being the Lead Whore on this one that convinces me it doesn't amount to much.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

In fact, if I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say that this revolt may be an interesting way for Republicans to win back support. Bush is a lame duck already and, to the extent I've been following things, it hardly seems as his support will be overwhelmingly helpful in mid-term elections.

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

(And yes, the actual issue itself is nonsense. Bush is "right" in that regard.)

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Bush has become an unpopular loser. Something like this, or the hunting incident, or [x], if they'd happened three years ago, would have amounted to nothing.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

implicitly if not explicitly encourage a culture of xenophobic fear over Arabs and Muslims -- a task at which the administration has not shown itself to be idle

I'm on the fence with this one. Yes, they have used the old fear card in the grand American tradition - foreigners, anarchists, reds, commies, etc..., but I think for a relatively unsophisticated (read 'dumb') administration, they've been pretty consistent about saying this is not a war on Islam or on Arabs but on terrorists. Inasmuch as being openly racist about capital ownership in the U.S. specifically targets Arabs, it makes for bad press.

It worries me that Democrats, in our hatred often as irrational as the Republicans hatred of Clinton was, miss the Libby story for the shotgun one, and will miss the story about corporate ownership and concomittant lax security (i.e. for commercial reasons) for a misguided opportunity (in concurrence with 'conservatives' of the most xenophobic stripe) to kick Bushco in the nuts.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

they've been pretty consistent about saying this is not a war on Islam or on Arabs but on terrorists

Thus, though, my 'implicitly' comment -- I think that without actually saying it, they've been at the least extremely unwilling to tackle those expressions of virulent xenophobic hatred one can all too readily encounter. All I've ever noticed are a couple of photo ops.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

this is such a non-story.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

blah blah who cares:

Dubai, 24 January 2006: - Global ports operator DP World today welcomed news that one of its senior executives, Dave Sanborn, has been nominated by US President George W. Bush to serve as Maritime Administrator a key transportation appointment reporting directly to Norman Mineta the Secretary of Transportation and Cabinet Member.

The White House has issued a statement from Washington DC announcing the nomination. The confirmation process will begin in February.

Mr Sanborn currently holds the position of Director of Operations for Europe and Latin America for the Dubai-based company

Mohammed Sharaf, CEO, DP World said:
“While we are sorry to lose such an experienced and capable executive, it is exactly those qualities that will make Dave an effective administrator for MarAd. We are proud of Dave’s selection and pleased that the Bush Administration found such a capable executive. We wish him all the best in his new role.”

Ted Bilkey, Chief Operating Officer, DP World said:
“Dave’s decades of experience in markets around the world, together with his passion for the industry and commitment to its development, will allow him to make a positive contribution to the work of the Maritime Administration. We wish him well for the future.”

Mr Sanborn, a graduate of The United States Merchant Maritime Academy, joined DP World in 2005. He previously held senior roles with shipping lines CMA-CGM (Americas), APL Ltd and Sea-Land and has been based, besides the US, in Brazil, Europe, Hong Kong and Dubai during his career. He has also served in the US Naval Reserve.

Mr Sanborn is due to take up his new role based in Washington DC later in 2006.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

xpost

And yet the reaction isn't.

(Nice nepotism find, stencil!)

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i find the reaction baffling.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

The story over here, such as it is, is yet another British company being sold, again who cares? We have a very liberal regime when it comes to foreign ownership and things like this harly even blip on the radar.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

same here, ed! usually, anyways.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Wait, we're getting a smooth-jazz artist as Maritime Administrator!? Now, the terrorists really have won.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

once again, the Democrats behavior is both shameful and stupid. Way to tackle the (non)issues morons.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

I find Hstencil and Ed's belief that perception matters for nothing in this contremps to be terribly amusing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

uh, not exactly what i'm saying, ned. there's no there there, to poorly paraphrase stein.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

*sigh* PERCEPTION, people. The PERCEPTION among various types is turning into "Bush doesn't care about national security!," one way or another, regardless of how freakin' bland the transaction is in your eyes. And if you don't think so much of what has happened in the past few years is all about perception, bias, etc., then jeez Louise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Percipi est esse and all that, Ned, but the Dems are being played for fools, imho.

Otoh, it will be interesting to see what a Bush veto looks like.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

the Dems are being played for fools

As far as I can see they are far more dedicated to playing themselves in this case than being played.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

OK. Fair enough.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

prepare for this idiotic argument to be cloaked in pseudo-left anti-globalization terms, despite nobody caring when it was british

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

*sigh* ned i fuckin' understand that. stop being condescending, pls.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

x-post -- You are however correct about a Bush veto, and that in and of itself is *very* interesting as a larger political sign -- which why it'd be foolish to simply write this whole situation off as something to ignore.

Ethan is unsurprisingly quite correct.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

it won't come to a veto. There'll be some arm-twisting in the Senate and it will die in committee or somewhere similar.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

i do agree with you, ned, that the potential of a veto is interesting, if only because bush still hasn't said nay ever. but i think that's the only interesting thing about this whole affair. and i don't think it makes me "foolish" to say so.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, there's also this:

President Bush was unaware of the pending sale of shipping operations at six major U.S. seaports to a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates until the deal already had been approved by his administration, the White House said Wednesday.

Hmmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Mr. Comma may be right as well, the Dems may try to play this as a corporate scandal/oligarchy/multinational thingy when they should be holding the Administration down and kicking them for outstanding security issues not fake new ones that allow the President to (a) show some backbone and (b) show some moral character.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

I think this is a great issue for the Dems because it splits the conservative base right down the middle. Any issue which puts the GOP congressional leadership on the opposite side from Bush has got to be a positive for the Dems, so I think they should milk it for all it's worth. If they are smart they should be able to convey that Bush's allegiance to humongo-corporate interests trumps his commitment to national security (and with the issue of globalization and the outsourcing of America's own security as an icing on the cake).

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Any issue which puts the GOP congressional leadership on the opposite side from Bush has got to be a positive for the Dems, so I think they should milk it for all it's worth.

hrm, any issue?

If they are smart they should be able to convey that Bush's allegiance to humongo-corporate interests trumps his commitment to national security (and with the issue of globalization and the outsourcing of America's own security as an icing on the cake).

but that's the thing, in this case there's no real reason to suspect that this deal has much, if anything, to do with "national security," given the details.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

yes the harriet miers nomination turned out so well for the left

,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

but that's the thing, in this case there's no real reason to suspect that this deal has much, if anything, to do with "national security," given the details

I think the average man on the street would see it a little differently. Republicans from Gov. Pataki on up to Frist have immediately read the tea leaves on this one, which is why they've been willing to split the party by digging in their heels against Bush's line. I don't think the Dems should do anything to make it easier on them.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

It would be easy too.

"We think that kneejerk xenophobia is deplorable. We want to take some time to look this deal over and if it's as unobjectionable as the presdient says it is we won't object to it, but we do feel that the security of our ports is at risk, has been at risk for some time, that the Admisitration knows and has known about it and just as they failed to act on intelligence in the summer of 2001, they're failing here and we want to know why. Are their corporate contributors pressing them to compromise national security for their own narrow interests?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

answer to that last qn = 'yes, but probably not in this case, and its really more than a little bit racist to think so'

,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

More blog fun, this time in Malkinworld, reacting to the Wall Street Journal editorial today:

On the hypocrisy of the Democrats, I completely concur with the Journal. See my column: They are all profilers now. But that's about the only thing I agree with in the piece.

It's time to get heads out of the sand and stop drinking the Kool-Aid: In a post-9/11 world, the first-ever sale involving U.S. port operations to a foreign, state-owned company demands much more than a business-as-usual rubber stamp. Outside the Beltway, this is gob-smackingly obvious.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

There are only two ways this can be perceived as "Bush doesn't care about national security" -- either (a) you think it's important to national security that Arabs be banned from ownership of anything significant, or (b) you think the administration has done a poor job of properly vetting and screening this company.

A lot of the people barking about this seem like they either believe (a) or they're trying to appeal to people who believe (a). None of them seem to realize quite what a massive and serious thing that is to say, in terms of principle. As for (b), that's pretty out of my league to judge. This administration's easy dealing with the corporate world is not reassuring, I admit, but it's not like we have any evidence here yet -- it's not like there's any actual indication yet that anyone skimped on the vetting process, or ignored any security concerns. So in the meantime I think we have to take it at face value.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Was it racist to block the sale of Unocal to the Chinese state-owned oil company? I don't think so. Worrying about the ownership by a foreign government of a vital national security function is not xenophobic, it's just common sense.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Was it racist to block the sale of Unocal to the Chinese state-owned oil company?

i'm not sure if it was racist, but it seemed pretty non-sensical and a bad decision.

Worrying about the ownership by a foreign government of a vital national security function is not xenophobic, it's just common sense.

tell that to whomever runs citgo. oh wait, hugo chavez!!!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Heh, Malkin's gone nuts with links saying exactly the opposite about 'face value.' Which approach will garner more play in the end?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

The problem here is that the port management was already in foreign hands.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:25 (twenty years ago)

On the hypocrisy of the Democrats, I completely concur with the Journal. See my column: They are all profilers now.

michelle malkin otm

,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

x-post -- Yes but we all love Tony Blair because he is white.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Ha, sorry, I was just xposting to add that third objection -- you could have some strong principle that important U.S. operations never be overseen by foreign states. I don't know nearly enough about port-operation (or what that entails) to have any idea how much that flies in this instance, though.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Yes but we all love Tony Blair because he is white

and dp world has a helluva lot of uk management already, even before the effects of the merger get sorted. again, as far as the transaction goes (aka the appease-ned caveat), it's a non-issue.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

This Washington Times story might or might not be telling. The key bit that people are pulling out of it:

Company officials would be briefed on security procedures and countermeasures that, if compromised, could allow foreign terrorists to get through various screening procedures, the official said.
The Coast Guard is responsible for port security, tracking ships, crews and cargo and search vessels based on intelligence. There is no cohesive hiring or screening process for port workers, however.
Critics said the port deal reflects the Bush administration's pro-business policy bias. The Treasury Department's point man on the issue, Deputy Treasury Secretary Robert Kimmitt, was described by officials as a liberal Republican who in the past clashed with conservative national-security officials during interagency policy disputes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Dubai Ports World would be a perfectly trustworthy and diligent operator of the ports, but it still remains true that under Bush improvements in port security and cargo screening have been lagging far behind the standards that most outside experts think we need to reach. This is a great opportunity for Dems to throw the national media spotlight on this issue, by widening the debate about DPW to the larger issue of port security and what Bush's Homeland Security has so far achieved compared to the potential dangers.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

that is such a weird article, even for the moonie-run washington times. lots of anonymous sourcin', and weird assertions like this one that sort of put the lie to the whole thing:

Intelligence and security officials opposed to the deal with Dubai Ports World said ports are vulnerable to the entry of terrorists or illicit weapons because of the large number of containers that enter U.S. territory, regardless of who manages them.

uh, yeah.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

This is a tact that the Dems could take and win with, though in part from commendable and in part from despicable reasons.

They could say that the mgmt. should be nationalized as no aspect of nat. sec. should ever again be managed like a cash cow for foreign profit. They could harken back to the early days of the Bush admin. (port strike on West Coast) and talk about workers rights. But where's that money going to come from and who's going to oversee it, DOHS? Because they don't always look like they know wtf they're doing.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

It's a very weird article. The final paragraph in the excerpt I put up is the one that interests me most, just because I'm wondering how much of an internal ideological spat is in fact going on or not.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

...it still remains true that under Bush improvements in port security and cargo screening have been lagging far behind the standards that most outside experts think we need to reach. This is a great opportunity for Dems to throw the national media spotlight on this issue, by widening the debate about DPW to the larger issue of port security and what Bush's Homeland Security has so far achieved compared to the potential dangers.

see, that's some ends justifyin' the means kinda action, afaik. i mean, i definitely agree that nothing has been done vis-a-vis port security post-9/11, but i'm not sure that this is the best way to make it an issue (tho i s'pose it's more "sexy" or whatever than any non-superficial discussion of the problem would be). again, port security (or lack thereof) is a big issue no matter who's running the ports. and c'mon, post-katrina who doesn't think dhs is a joke anyway?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

This article from the Council on Foreign Relations website identifies the tremendous failure of the Bush administration to protect our ports:

Port Security Is Still a House of Cards

tho i s'pose it's more "sexy" or whatever than any non-superficial discussion of the problem would be

Exactly. For all the seriousness of this problem, politically it was a non-issue until suddenly an Arab company got involved. That may say something about the level of public discourse, but for better or worse, that's the reality of how issues come to public attention. And now that it has come to public attention, it would be remiss of the Dems to allow the opportunity to chastize the administration on this issue to pass, simply because of some fastidiousness about defining the problem.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)

yes, because the American voting public responds well to opportunistic and self-serving political attacks.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

I mean you have a point about port security being a totally valid issue, but the Democrats are not gonna get any traction with this, nor will they be capable of steering the debate to their advantage. The RACISM aspect is too blindingly obvious.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

i'm with bush. and all i'm seeing from people on the news is "why, two of the 9/11 hijackers came from UAB! they're untrustworthy!" i mean, how far from the middle east do people have to be until they stopped getting used as boogeymen? bush and michelle malkin otm(!) and this is just the dems showing what they're willing to do in order to maintain the partisan line.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

but hey, ends justify the means, right?

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)

At the same time it's not quite as simple as that, Gear -- Bush/the Journal and Malkin agree on that point, for instance, but completely diverge on every other thing about this.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:57 (twenty years ago)

As for the security point in general, the NY Times noted this:

The administration's review of the deal was conducted by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, a body that was created in 1975 to review foreign investments in the country that could affect national security. Under that review, officials from the Defense, State, Commerce and Transportation Departments, along with the National Security Council and other agencies, were charged with raising questions and passing judgment. They found no problems to warrant the next stage of review, a 45-day investigation with results reported to the president for a final decision.

However, a 1993 amendment to the law stipulates that such an investigation is mandatory when the acquiring company is controlled by or acting on behalf of a foreign government. Administration officials said they conducted additional inquires because of the ties to the United Arab Emirates, but they could not say why a 45-day investigation did not occur.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Haha -- yeah, Ned, that's why I went back and added a word to this setnence: "It's not like there's any actual indication YET that anyone skimped on the vetting process."

If it turns out that this was really rammed through, it'll be genuinely kind of disgusting. I get the feeling that even people who think this administrationi is relentlessly wrong about national security at least like to imagine that it's genuinely concerned about it. If any real demonstration of commerce-over-security came through here, that would indeed be pretty serious.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Is DPW technically state-owned, or is it simply owned by the same people who own the state? (A technical difference, I know, but still...)

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

We've already had Rumsfeld saying he didn't know anything about it even when he apparently was on the committee that signed off on the deal, Bush via McClellan saying he knew nothing about the deal until after it was approved and various WH communication types going "Gee, we should have handled this better" -- I have a feeling more is coming pretty quickly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

I have a feeling that what's going to happen is that they'll reinstate the additional 45 day review period that according to the regulations should have happened anyway. Then they'll figure that by that time the tempest will have blown over, and when they finally come back and say, "Gee, we went over this with a fine-tooth comb and these guys passed", that there will be limited fall-out.

I think the fact that this deal was waived through without even the due diligence required by the existing regulations is symptomatic of Bush's too cozy relationship with mega-corporate interests and his extreme laissez-faire regulatory attitude. As that CFR article points out, implementing real improvements to the system would add only pennies to the cost of goods at Wal-Mart and other major importers, but I have a feeling that even those pennies would be too much to ask in Bush's view.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

it really disgusts me that it takes anti-arab paranoia for ppl to finally start saying hey maybe the white house is a lil too cozy w/ super rich corporations

,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:17 (twenty years ago)

there would be no uproar if this corporation was based in london. again, all i'm seeing in the media is, "bush tried to slip this past us, this country can't be trusted!" maybe schumer and feinstein are going off about the other issues as well, but the media seems to be taking the "untrustworthy arabs" ball and running with it.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

this 'controversy' is straight outta every shitty 80s comedy with the rich sheik who wants to buy out american apple pie inc or whatever

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

which is straight outta abscam, ethan. hey maybe that's why all these congressmen are so nervous!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)

http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/22/A70-11216

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Maybe there is some racist paranoia involved in the public response, but to completely ignore the facts on the ground out of some misplaced ivory-tower desire to expect the best of all humanity and avoid even the appearance of the dreaded "profiling" is also verging on foolishness. If people can't see that there might be a reason to exercise a bit of caution when dealing with undemocratic regimes based in an area of the world that, for whatever reasons, has been the source of major terrorist attacks on this country, then I think that there is perhaps an ultra-liberal fallacy at work.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

o. nate, what are these "facts on the ground"? beyond baseless hype?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:36 (twenty years ago)

why must liberals always sit up in their 'ivory tower' avoiding racism!!

,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:38 (twenty years ago)

"facts on the ground" : Just the things I mentioned in the next sentence. It's an undemocratic regime. There is no vote in Dubai. There is a history of Al Qaeda activity in that country. There are several facts about this that have been repeated in most of the news stories about this controversy, and I, for one, wouldn't dismiss them all out of hand as racist paranoia.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

If people can't see that there might be a reason to exercise a bit of caution when dealing with undemocratic regimes based in an area of the world that, for whatever reasons, has been the source of major terrorist attacks on this country...

uh, you mean saudi arabia?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

how white would a country have to get before they're safe to deal with?

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

"There is a history of Al Qaeda activity in that country."

This is just incorrect. The only reason people say this is because some al-Qaeda money was funnelled into shell corporations in Dubai, which has zero relevance to anything. Dubai is the world's #1 boomtown no-tax capitalistic freak-out zone; it would be weird if money WEREN'T funnelled through some corporation there.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

sterling, that is exactly the movie ethan's reference caused to pop in my mind...

i am not a nugget (stevie), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

hahaha stence my favorite take on this so far was some right wing blog comment where dude was like 'how come as an american citizen i cant take toenail clippers on a plane but we're allowing a country that denies the holocaust & thinks israel should be wiped off the map to control our ports?' uhhhh

,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

uh, you mean saudi arabia?

I would certainly include them in that category, yes. There are larger issues here than the ownership by DPW, as I mentioned. But I think it's too easy to just assume that all countries are equal under God and its wrong to discriminate against them when it comes to operation of ports or any other activity. All countries are not the same, and some might present special risks. I'm not saying that DPW should necessarily be blocked from operating the port, provided that they can demonstrate that appropriate safeguards are in place. However, to assume that there couldn't possibly be any reason to be concerned other than racism seems kind of presumptuous to me.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

The Right Wing Nut House! (Literally.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

o.nate are you really such a dem party loyalist that you abandon all principles of liberalism when nancy pelosi decides racism is means to a bush-bashing end?

,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

However, to assume that there couldn't possibly be any reason to be concerned other than racism seems kind of presumptuous to me.

less or more presumptuous than not giving a shit about port security before hearing the name "dp world?"

(admittedly that name conjures up horrors of a different kind for me - porn is a hell of a drug)

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

i think you should replace "all countries" with "all people" up there

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

haha ive been silently lol-ing at that too

,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Beyond the paranoia, this could be/is about outsourcing, too, which would flip it in a less xenophobic direction. "Why can't the job of making our ports secure be given to skilled Americans who need the work?"

(A: "I take it you have not read the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade.")

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah yeah, i know that the ACTUAL work would still be done by Americans, but profit-skimming upper managers are people too, you know!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure i buy that a general discussion of outsourcing in america is somehow "less xenophobic."

"Why can't the job of making our ports secure be given to skilled Americans who need the work?"

it already is - it's the job of the coast guard and customs. dp world (that name again) is NOT a port security company, people!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)

prepare for this idiotic argument to be cloaked in pseudo-left anti-globalization terms, despite nobody caring when it was british

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:07 (twenty years ago)

I think that trying to present Britain as in any way equivalent to the UAE is disingenous at best and foolishly naive at worst.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:09 (twenty years ago)

scratch a DLC lefty and theyll turn white supremicist just to score a couple anti-bush points - good thing about britain's spotless human rights history! and their competence at preventing terrorism! lets throw a fit if anything takes $$$ away from european plutocrats! bush = chimp!!!!

,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

maybe limey experience in the falklands qualifies them better??

,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

uae gdp/capita: $29,100
uk gdp/capita: $30,900

uk: has single monarch
uae: has federation of monarchs

uk: death rate of 10.18 deaths/1,000 population
uae: death rate of 4.26 deaths/1,000 population

uae: life expectancy 75.24
uk: life expectancy 78.38 years

uae oil reserves: 97.8 billion bbl
uk oil reserves: 4.5 billion bbl

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

with (maybe) less hyperbole, y'all guys think the british company what was sold to dp world (again!) would've approved a deal if their due diligence came up with something, uh, not so good?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:17 (twenty years ago)

uae unemployment rate: 2.4%
uk unemployment rate: 4.7%

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, good summary there, Sterling. That about covers it.

xpost

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

uk: supported invasion of iraq.
uae: did not.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Being concerned about shifting jobs and work to countries without the legal protections enjoyed by the West is not xenophobia, sorry stence and Sterl. (That said, this doesn't fall into that category, so you're right, it's an idiotic road to go down.)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

uae maternity leave (legal standard): 3 mos full pay + 6 mos half pay
uk maternity leave: ~6 mos full pay + 6 mos no pay
us maternity leave: none

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah tracer, i seriously doubt any us longshoremen will be losing their jobs because of this - don't they have a strong union? or have i watched on the waterfront one too many times?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

You probably have, you poor bastard. But yeah, everyone's keeping their jobs except for the guys who write the checks, from what I understand.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't know why everyone's not actually champing at the bit here at the potential irony of embezzled and laundered terrorist money finding its way onto the payroll of the very guys who are going to foil their nefarious schemes! In your FACE!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:30 (twenty years ago)

trick question: i have never actually seen on the waterfront.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

I think maybe what I was getting at with the globalization schtick is that it's not just racism at play here, or xenophobia, although I think it is those things, too. The sudden alarums owe an awful lot to the free-floating anxiety about how totally interconnected global finance and trade flows are now. This deal shows how we are all at least potentially implicated in almost every transaction we make. You can't buy shrimp, a can of oil or a cup of coffee without participating in economic repression and environmental degradation, in some small way. We prefer not to think about it. So we don't. So it becomes the stuff of nightmares. When "homeland security" becomes simply another commodity to be bid for, it just amplifies those feelings.

xpost: you surprise me!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

What I think is particularly hypocritical in this whole imbroglio so far is the favorite GOP talking point that somehow the Dems are being opportunistic by embracing this issue, when the very same GOP politicians are embracing the same issue. It's like they're trying to talk out of both sides of their mouth: on the one side, they'll say, yes, this deal needs further review, but on the other side, somehow it was "opportunistic" of the Dems to raise a fuss about it! I've seen this same illogical charge leveled against the Dems on the editorial pages of the supposedly moderate-to-liberal media establishment organs, whether out of a misguided attempt at balance and even-handedness or a lurking neoliberal bias, I don't know which.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

i think its hypocritical of dems to embrace this issue

,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Thoughts via Mansoor Ijaz on NROworld.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile there's this:

House Chair: GOP Can Defeat Bush On Ports Deal

WASHINGTON -- New Jersey Rep. Jim Saxton said Wednesday that Republicans can override any veto from President Bush regarding legislation that would halt the pending sale of shipping operations at Port Newark and five other major U.S. seaports to an Arab company.

"This deal doesn't pass the national security test," said Saxton, chairman of the House Terrorism, Unconventional Threats and Capabilities subcommittee. "I think it's a mistake. If necessary, Congress should act independently of the president."

"Frankly, I think we can override a veto. We have more than enough votes to do it," said Saxton, R-Mount Holly.

No Republicans on Capitol Hill have emerged to back President Bush on the pending sale of shipping operations at the six seaports to a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates. All six of New Jersey's Republican congressmen are opposed to the deal, as are the six Democratic congressmen and two Democratic senators.

Bush has brushed aside objections by leaders in the Senate and House that the $6.8 billion sale could raise risks of terrorism at American ports, and has pledged to veto any bill Congress might approve to block the agreement involving the sale of a British company to the Arab firm.

Saxton, a ranking Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, said he and committee chairman Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., are drafting legislation that would protect ports and all critical infrastructure from being managed by foreign governments.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)

i like that ijaz article!

,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:06 (twenty years ago)

If you want some strange fear, go to F**e R******c and find the thread responding to it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

F*** S********???

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

hey wasnt dee the lurker a freeper or ex-freeper or something

,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, fun with Rep. Myrick. The NRO clucks its tongue.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

And Levin responds to Ijaz. Sorta.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

hahaha "split the conservatives" means in this case as in so many others that the debate simply happens without any democrats present

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

It's about the only real debate we're going to see at this point!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

I think this story is important because, in a way, it's forcing the Bush adminstration's very intricate tentacles/networking history with the Middle East into the limelight -- or at least I hope it does.

Republicans are opposing this are mainly trying to play the "distance myself from the loser prez" card.

Democrats are opposing this are mainly trying to play the "Anything Bush does is bad" card, which slightly feeds off the latter.

Republicans that are opposing the Democrats opposing this are trying to play the "Democrats are hyocrites" card by being hypocrites themselves.

More popcorn, please.

Da Na Not! (donut), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

not enough animated gifs on this blog, which contains the great phrase of "Democrat-mandated institutional racism."

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)

Clear as mud:

The Bush administration secretly required a company in the United Arab Emirates to cooperate with future U.S. investigations before approving its takeover of operations at six American ports, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. It chose not to impose other, routine restrictions.

As part of the $6.8 billion purchase, state-owned Dubai Ports World agreed to reveal records on demand about "foreign operational direction" of its business at U.S. ports, the documents said. Those records broadly include details about the design, maintenance or operation of ports and equipment.

The administration did not require Dubai Ports to keep copies of business records on U.S. soil, where they would be subject to court orders. It also did not require the company to designate an American citizen to accommodate U.S. government requests. Outside legal experts said such obligations are routinely attached to U.S. approvals of foreign sales in other industries.

"They're not lax but they're not draconian," said James Lewis, a former U.S. official who worked on such agreements. If officials had predicted the firestorm of criticism over the deal, Lewis said, "they might have made them sound harder."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 02:54 (twenty years ago)

There's a nice line in today's NYT about how when US soldiers are caught torturing Iraqis it's an isolated incident, but when two UAE nationals are involved in terrorism suddenly the whole nation is to blame.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 23 February 2006 08:06 (twenty years ago)

doesn't make the uae less of a terrorist-friendly place.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 23 February 2006 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Given how rubbish US employment law is, why does it matter who owns the port?

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Because of Them Dam Furriners coming in to take our jobs and blow up our sports arenas. What kind of American are you?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:05 (twenty years ago)

A different take on this from a local San Pedro blogger...

Our ports are one of organised labor's last stronghold and the United Arab Emirates is a black hole for labor rights. How can this company, which is owned by a country which essentially consists of an ultra-powerful, feudalistic elite & the exploited workers that serve them, some in a state which could be effectively described as indentured servitude, be considered as an appropriate manager for six ports that rely on organised labor for their daily operations? In the UAE, strikes and unions are illegal, does this company even have the relevant experience to respect the institutions of labor that move goods through our ports, or to adapt to the local situation?

On top of all of this, following a bi-partisan Congressional backlash, Bush is now threatening to veto any and all bills that come across his desk until the Dubai Ports World deal goes through. I can't underscore how significant that threat is, as Bush hasn't vetoed a single bill since taking office, and now he's apparently willing to use his veto power arbitrarily to force this deal through. That moves the conflict over the deal into another sphere - is this deal really a proxy attack on organised labor by the Bush administration? Or is it more of the "looking out for his friends" politics that have been making messes globally over the past 5 years?

The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:57 (twenty years ago)

The movers and shakers in Dubai can hardly be unknown to the likes of the Carlyle Goup and Halliburton. Maybe Bush has looked into their eyes and taken the measure of their souls, like he did with Putin.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

DAEREST LILEX:

I hope I was exercised about nothing. Some people spend their days hoping that their worries will be proven true, so everyone finally sees what they see. I hope all my fears turn out to be nonsense. Most will. As for the ones that come true – well, we’ll see. Or not. I'm not saying that this should make everyone pass a thousand restless nights. I'm just curious why I'm expected to sleep easier, simply because they say I should.

Please note that in light of Pleasant Plains' sharp little summary of the Lileks Approach to Life over here that there is fun to be had.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

nearly all west-coast ports are already foreign owned as i recall.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

3xposts - What labor-friendly corporation presents a viable alternative to DPW? That reads like a complete red herring - the UAE entities will still be forced to follow American law in hiring and labor practices, and I truly doubt they're any more anti-labor than Halliburton while following our laws.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

More wacky fun at NRO land with McCarthy. I have to say the rhetoricians online have been overspilling at the mouth this week.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

"nearly all west-coast ports are already foreign owned as i recall."

I'm pretty sure the Port of Oakland is owned by Oakland.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile the Wall Street Journal has this to say about port security:

At least one of the ports where DP World is set to operate, Baltimore, has been dogged by security shortcomings for years. A Baltimore Sun investigation in June 2005 revealed that the port's fiber-optic alarm system on the perimeter fence malfunctioned and was usually switched off, and that port police were so understaffed that their patrol boats often dry-docked because there was no one to operate them. The newspaper also found that a pair of "video cameras" guarding the entrance to one important marine terminal were actually blocks of wood on poles.

Last summer, a tour of the port, the nation's eighth largest, revealed gaps in perimeter fences, unattended gates, surveillances systems that didn't work and insufficient police patrols on land and sea. State officials have acknowledged security gaps and said they have been working to close them.

A study completed last year by the Coast Guard and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security identified 66 of the nation's 359 ports as being especially vulnerable to terrorist attack. But while the country has spent $18 billion securing airports since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, it has spent just $630 million to improve security at the nation's ports. The Department of Homeland Security's Inspector General last year sharply criticized the port-security program, saying it didn't direct funds to the most vulnerable ports and compromised the nation's ability to stave off terrorist attacks.

Fun fun.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 19:21 (twenty years ago)

the port's fiber-optic alarm system on the perimeter fence malfunctioned and was usually switched off, and that port police were so understaffed that their patrol boats often dry-docked because there was no one to operate them. The newspaper also found that a pair of "video cameras" guarding the entrance to one important marine terminal were actually blocks of wood on poles.

heh heh good old british standards. I bet the police all ate powdered egg too.

david laughner, Friday, 24 February 2006 10:17 (twenty years ago)

Pobrecito Bush:

Everyone has been saying the politics of the Dubai Ports World deal is bad news for President Bush. Well, now we have an idea of just how bad. Rasmussen Reports has just released a poll showing that Americans now trust Democrats in Congress more than President Bush on the issue of national security by a margin of 43% to 41%. Only 17% of those polled favor the DPW deal, 64% oppose.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:12 (twenty years ago)

Good to see the Democrats have finally taken a page from the Republicans and had success with it.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:13 (twenty years ago)

wow, so americans don't trust ANY elected body more than 43% when it comes to security? that's something to be proud of.

geoff (gcannon), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:15 (twenty years ago)

Kudlow and Alexiev inadvertantly hash out the intranecine war going on so well right now on the right I'd almost suspect they were put up to do it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:20 (twenty years ago)

A lot of "OMG WTF" letters to the Seattle Times, as you'd expect... but a couple stood out as being at least slightly OTM:


A desperation play

Nobody is talking about what is really going on with the Dubai port deal. Consider these facts:

• George Bush has warned us about buying oil from countries that he says may not like us.

• Bush has encouraged the use of technology to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

These two statements explain the situation. The United States desperately needs oil and will pay any price to get it. The Arabs know this and are waiting until we get desperate enough to pay whatever price they ask. Today, it's control over a few sea ports; tomorrow, a few more.

Stopping this deal would do nothing to change these underlying fundamentals. The United States is desperate for oil and ultimately will be forced to pay a lot more for it than just a few ports.

— Donald Clark, Ocean Shores


National anathema

Many seem to be in an uproar over the possibility that the United Arab Emirates-owned Dubai Ports World could be taking over the running of a half-dozen major U.S. ports.

I don't know why those folks should be so concerned. This Dubai outfit probably would have as much loyalty to the U.S.A. as any major so-called American corporation; you know, the guys who like to outsource jobs to cheap foreign labor in order to keep their profit margins way up.

I'll bet you could even get the UAE outfit to pledge allegiance to our flag. I doubt that most of our own corporations would remember how that's done. Their sole allegiance is to the next quarterly report.

— Bob Wojtyna, Woodinville

Da Na Not! (donut), Sunday, 26 February 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

i like the flavor of that last one quite a bit

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 26 February 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

that first one is completely silly.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Everything seems to have settled down to a 'let's review everything, uh, yeah' stance. One hell of a political black eye for BushCo no matter what, that's for sure. I haven't seen anyone defend the handling of the situation by the White House.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

bush threatening his vewwy fiwst veto is politically his dumbest move in, what, a week

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Monday, 27 February 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

what's he threatened to veto in 5 years, anyway? Isn't it just 3 things:

1. anything stopping this deal
2. the mccain torture amendment
3. stem-cell research

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

And now things get interesting again:

Citing broad gaps in U.S. intelligence, the Coast Guard cautioned the Bush administration that it was unable to determine whether a United Arab Emirates-owned company might support terrorist operations, a Senate panel said Monday.
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The surprise disclosure came during a hearing on Dubai-owned DP World's plans to take over significant operations at six leading U.S. ports. The port operations are now handled by London-based Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Company.

"There are many intelligence gaps, concerning the potential for DPW or P&O assets to support terrorist operations, that precludes an overall threat assessment of the potential" merger," an undated Coast Guard intelligence assessment says.

"The breadth of the intelligence gaps also infer potential unknown threats against a large number of potential vulnerabilities," the document says.

Sen. Susan Collins, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security committee, released an unclassified version of the document at a briefing Monday. With the deal under intense bipartisan criticism in Congress, the Bush administration agreed Sunday to DP World's request for a second review of the potential security risks related to its deal.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 01:18 (twenty years ago)

Let's just look at that first sentence again:

The Coast Guard cautioned the Bush administration that it was unable to determine whether a United Arab Emirates-owned company might support terrorist operations

In other words, "Dude, we're just the Coast Guard, how are we supposed to know?"

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:37 (twenty years ago)

right, cuz as we all know it is in fact the forestry service that guards america's ports.

haha

cheney's at 18%. 18%.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:45 (twenty years ago)

There was some rumor going around today that Cheney might resign after the November election. Maybe resigning before it would be a better idea.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:46 (twenty years ago)

Other fun.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)

eh i think they're tossing that out there as half-bait - part 'look we're making changes' but at the same time not appearing weak or giving the other side a victory (yet), bush the elder did it right around 92 when he made a big deal of about how he was gonna scrap his economic team if he got reelected.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:50 (twenty years ago)

I think they are kind of stuck with Cheney at this point. If Bush's approval ratings were higher, there would be a decent argument for replacing Cheney, because this would allow Bush to name an heir-apparent, who would benefit from the bully pulpit of the VP's office in the run-up to '08. But with Bush's approval ratings mired in the 30's, I kind of doubt that any GOP rising star would want to hitch their wagon to the administration.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

lol @ http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2005/11/02/image1005310g.jpg

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)

more on that poll, and why Republicans are vulnerable

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Hahah, dig the post right under that one! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

wtf ned did you blow jonah goldberg or something

,,,,,,,,,,,, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Heh, nah -- last year I noticed Mr. Derbyshire talking about pi day coming up and thought, "Hm, maybe he might be interested in that disc of mine," so I dropped him a line. He linked to it and talked about it on the Corner a few times! I'm just as surprised as anyone to see him mention it again.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

ned yr phone is TOTALLY tapped dude

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

The amount of information they're getting from it will be slim. (Sample of last night's conversation -- me and my friend Ben in Las Vegas talking about roommates and living situations. NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT AHOY.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

uh, no:

If Bush was running for re-election, there would be a decent argument for replacing Cheney.

barring some sort of spiro agnew action (which of course could happen, maybe), they're not dumping cheney.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

its been shocking, and gratifying, to see republicans treat bush/cheney like such a lost cause now after 'everything changed' & coulter et al welcomed an eternal future of conservative leadership. more & more it seems like both parties are really back at square one for 08.

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Don's link is good both in noting how polls work (ie, very suspiciously at the best of times) and how the right is still starting to freak out anyway. Will Bush have *any* cachet left after November?

As it stands, I was thinking that whoever has to run for the GOP in 2008 surely has to run implicitly, if not explicitly, *against* Bush and whatever legacy there is. Which will be interesting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

my favorite part of dudes post is where hes noting that most adults skew left but registered voters have slightly more republicans - wheres yalls gloating about the "conservative majority" now??? the greatest threat to republicanism would be a true democracy

,,,,,,,,,,,,, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Well, I think Ms. Lopez is female. ;-) Larger point stands, of course. Anyway, this is going to be one extended death rattle for this administration -- which I would be more flippant about if people weren't actually dying all over the place.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

*cue "toxic"*

there is a real bind cuz bushco loyalists are a bigger demo in the party than prolifers even and yet overall the guy is an anchor - none of frist's distancing moves seems to have won him points (except the ability to say 'i disagreed with president about that' in general debate come 08 should it come to that which it won't). throw in immigration (which depressingly is really gaining steam) and the real wedge seems to be between rove and alot of the party base.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)

http://www.crooksandliars.com/images/Bush-CBS.jpg

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, as blount mentions, I wonder how much of this affects the Cult of Bush thing goign on right now.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:04 (twenty years ago)

If RedState is any indication today, it's mostly being ignored. For now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

But if you want some sense as to how they are still dealing with this thread's particular issue, read away.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

ick. more cognitive dysfunction. no thanks.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

Frist has announced that he's starting to feel a "greater comfort level" about the Dubai Ports deal. Is this the beginning of GOP circling of wagons on the issue?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060228/ts_nm/security_ports_frist_dc

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Had to happen at some point. Frist isn't loved at all by the hard right commentators so they'll read this as a further sign why he should be raked over the coals.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:39 (twenty years ago)

It's impossible to read that statement without imagining a vice being delicately applied to his scrotum. Loosening by a quarter of a turn as soon as the phrase "greater comfort level" is uttered.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha- it helps to look at the photo accompanying that Yahoo article while imagining the vise loosening.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

the rightwing version of MediaMatters is also complaining that the 34% thing is wrong, b/c the number of repubs vs dems polled was off by 4% by what a pew poll found was out there.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 22:21 (twenty years ago)

It's all flaring up again.

Efforts by the White House to hold off legislation challenging a Dubai-owned company's acquisition of operations at six major U.S. ports collapsed yesterday when House Republican leaders agreed to allow a vote next week that could kill the deal.

Appropriations Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.) will attach legislation to block the deal today to a must-pass emergency spending bill funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. A House vote on the measure next week will set up a direct confrontation with President Bush, who sternly vowed to veto any bill delaying or stopping Dubai Ports World's purchase of London-based Peninsular & Oriental Steamship Co.

Hmmm. No wonder Bush is all of a sudden interested in line-item vetos. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

Let the poisons hatch out.

Da Na Not! (donut), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/claudius3.jpg

Da Na Not! (donut), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oh they're hatching out all right.

In an election-year repudiation of President Bush, a House panel dominated by Republicans voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to block a Dubai-owned firm from taking control of some U.S port operations. Democrats clamored for a vote in the Senate, too.

By 62-2, the House Appropriations Committee voted to bar DP World, run by the government of Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, from holding leases or contracts at U.S. ports.

Bush has promised to veto any such measure passed by Congress, but there is widespread public opposition to the deal and the GOP fears losing its advantage on the issue of national security in this fall's elections.

About the only thing going for Bush is that even on most days of the week he comes across as saner than the likes of Duncan Hunter, but they're the ones currently riding high. This is going to be a debacle of huge proportions for Bush if he stands his ground.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

An indirect sense about how they start to eat their own. My favorite bit:

My simple complaint is that Bush stinks at defending his own policies, and I've grown weary of doing it for him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm!

The United Arab Emirates company that was attempting to take over management operations at six U.S. ports announced today that it will divest itself of all American interests.

The announcement appears to head off a major confrontation that was brewing between Congress and the Bush administration over the controversial deal.

Sen. John Warner (R-Va.) announced on the Senate floor shortly before 2 p.m. that Dubai Ports World would "transfer fully the operations of U.S. ports to a U.S. entity." Warner, who had been trying to broker a compromise on the issue, said DP World would divest itself of U.S. interests "in an orderly fashion" so as not to suffer "economic loss."

It was not immediately clear how the divesture would be handled or what U.S. company would take over the operation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Hilarity:

In softening the White House's previous stand, presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said, "Our emphasis is not on trying to draw lines or issue veto threats. It's on how we can work together and move forward."

Of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

I hope a french company buys the divested ports.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 9 March 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

It will be Starbucks

Da Na Not! (donut), Thursday, 9 March 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

or Wal-Mart

kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 9 March 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

dood come on people its gonna be Kellog Root and Brown and we all know it.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

Surely bearded brown people load oil onto tankers for shipping to the US, why is this threat to US Homeland security allowed to continue?

Ed (dali), Friday, 10 March 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Give it time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Also a quick google revealed that is it possible to buy Inidan food less that 500 metres from the whitehouse, when will this madness end.

Ed (dali), Friday, 10 March 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

END THIS HEATHEN HARBORMASTERING

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone see Bush's remarks this morning... oh man

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

The "we need moderate allies like UAE more than ever and you fuckers are pissing them off" comments?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately, UAE is only a moderate ally in the sense that their unelected ruling clique is happy to do business with us. The populace as a whole has an overwhelmingly unfavorable view of the US. See the 2005 poll from the Arab American Institute and other recent polls on attitudes in the Arab world. Only 21% of those polled in the UAE have a favorable view of the US, compared with 73% unfavorable.

http://www.aaiusa.org/polls/ArabAttitudes2005.htm

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what % of those in the US have a favorable view of UAE?

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Outside of the White House? Not a high %.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Here's the transcript:

BUSH: Thank you very much.

Jerry likes to give a short introduction.

(LAUGHTER)

I appreciate you letting me come by to visit with you some. And I look forward to answering some questions you might have. You can't come to a newspaper deal without deal without answering questions.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what % of those in the US have a favorable view of UAE?

Probably not many, but at least we are a democracy, so when our government has dealings with UAE we at least have the illusion of having been consulted. The point is that what Bush calls "cooperating with moderate allies" is often part of the very problem that makes the US is so unpopular over there. US approval ratings are often lowest in the authoritarian, undemocratic Arab states in which the US supposedly has good relations with the government. The fact that we collaborate with repressive regimes does not really work in our long-term favor in building bridges with the Arab world.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

But it's important for me to connect the idea of laying the foundation for peace with reality. And that reality is what we see in Europe today.

There were two major world wars in Europe in the 1990s -- I mean the 1900s. And today Europe is free and whole and at peace. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that the nations of Europe are democracies. Democracies don't war.

One of my best buddies in the international arena is Prime Minister Koizumi of Japan. What is interesting about that is my dad fought the Japanese as did, I'm sure, your relatives -- some of your relatives.

And yet today I can tell the newspaper owners that I work with Koizumi to keep the peace.

Democracy has the capacity to turn enemies into allies; to cause, kind of, warring factions to come together.

R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: (ex machina), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Bush talks a good game about democracy, but the US has a very poor track record of supporting actual democracy around the world.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

which is, of course, why our best friends in the Arab world are all authoritarian and/or monarchies.

*sigh*

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/world/middleeast/12dubai.html?_r=2&hp

Excellent article on plummeting economy in Dubai.
The catch here is that when you owe debt there, you don't just get bad credit, you go to "debtor's prison".
Neighboring emirite apparently knew Dubai was a Walmart Creepshow all along.

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 12 February 2009 22:59 (seventeen years ago)

gah!

Now, many expatriates here talk about Dubai as though it were a con game all along. Lurid rumors spread quickly: the Palm Jumeira, an artificial island that is one of this city’s trademark developments, is said to be sinking, and when you turn the faucets in the hotels built atop it, only cockroaches come out.

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

this dubai is kinda awesome in theory - abandoned skyscrapers, sinking islands, violent gangs of foreigners roaming around...

iatee, Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:14 (seventeen years ago)

“Why is Abu Dhabi allowing its neighbor to have its international reputation trashed, when it could bail out Dubai’s banks and restore confidence?” said Christopher M. Davidson, who predicted the current crisis in “Dubai: The Vulnerability of Success,” a book published last year. “Perhaps the plan is to centralize the U.A.E.” under Abu Dhabi’s control, he mused, in a move that would sharply curtail Dubai’s independence and perhaps change its signature freewheeling style.

sonned by an abu dhabi in a bubble economy city beef.

Ein kluges Äpfelchen (Eisbaer), Thursday, 12 February 2009 23:22 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 11:23 (sixteen years ago)


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