Defend the Indefensible: Cocaine

Actually what really did it was the realization that people who take cocaine turn into huge assholes. And that I was no exception.

Crystal meth is worse, though.

This happens to people who aren't on coke too, you know. Some people are nasty drunks, get ill or nasty on E, whatever. The worst bar fight I've ever seen was actually instigated by a pothead, granted a pothead 81 but still a pothead! So it all depends on the person, when it comes down to it--if you're an ass you're an ass. The behavior you're describing isn't one that I've ever associated with any specific drug--obnoxiously loud and chatty, yeah that's coke and speed but the violence and the anger and rudeness are not something I've noted any difference from drug to drug. Maybe you shouldn't be inviting ppl around past pub closing for god's sake, things close for a reason. Make them go to their house!

Heh heh, this is OTM

I wish you had been my guidance counsellor at school.

xpost me too, Huk. Me too.

Booze>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cocaine

Still - a nice joint on a sunny day, followed by beers and sun in front of waves? Unbeatable.

De rum be de ting. And I'm going to the Bahamas next week. Bitches.

i only drink booze, though.

I loved LSD. Past tense.

Yes, but it's OK for people like us to

afterwards he actually said out loud "i don't see what the big deal is, i don't feel anything, except it's sort of like i had five espressos. wouldn't it be cheaper to buy espressos?"

So not true! I'm only like this when I've had a line, and so are other people I know.

it seems like everyone in new york does coke, which makes for very slow moving bathroom lines.

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I suppose I'm just saying the short term craving's incredibly strong, strong enough to override your usual reservations about taking stuff off your mates. If I know there's going to be coke about when I go out, I'll either decide not to do any or try and buy a bit myself. But if you're offered a line unexpectedly, it's quite hard not to get all whiny about wanting another one an hour later.

Plus yeah you just want some!

You must be quite dehydrated.

xxxpost

I shouldn't have written that with so many Americans present.

untrue

That's funny, milo, 'cause my gf turns into the snarkiest bitch alive on E.

E turns me into a terrible, paranoid, sickly person. I have a very bad reaction to it and, yes, become pretty bitchy because I get so itchy and ill.

FWIW, I much rather try anal.

damn!

That said, unless I only have a few, I will usually give one up to some who asks nicely. I certainly have bummed some in the past, and have a good deal of cigarette karma to make up for.

This is how I feel about it.

O RLY?

its not something i'd want to do very regularly though

Because they might not? I usually end(ed) up talking a lot and having fun, but never had an adverse reaction like this (and I'm already pretty ADD). I dunno if it's like ritalin and hyper kids, but it mostly just smoothed me out.

Cheap weed, OTOH, makes me paranoid, dehydrated and miserable.

That leads me to a chemistry question I've always wondered about - is it actually possible for different batches of drugs ('good' LSD vs. 'bad', 'mellow' pot vs schwag, Jager vs. bourbon) to impart different feelings and reactions? LSD is LSD I would think - if you're hallucinating, the chemical composition has to be roughly the same.

I'd say "DING DING DING" but I already did it on this thread.

;_;

"Good" LSD vs "Bad" is a matter of what else is in it, how it's made, etc. Sure, the active ingredient is the same, but always occurs in different concentrations (even from one side of the sheet to the next), and all the other shit that can end up in your acid can make it vary a lot. Same with Bourbon and Jager, roughly.

High grade pot and schwag are almost totally different drugs, though.

That's exactly what happens to me when I smoke pot! I've taken E a handful of times and never gotten off on it, although a few of those times involved other substances so who knows, really.

I guess one by one, all the drugs I used to take stopped being fun for me and now I just drink beer. I'm pretty content that way, although I wouldn't suggest that anybody else need to adopt my person habits. When it was fun, it was really fun.

That's what happens to me when I smoke shitty Mexican cornfield pot. But O! Canada!

Nothing against weed per se (stoned people are fine, if sometimes alittle dull) I just personally don't have a great reaction to it.

You guys are crazy! Cheap mexican pretendica is preferable to gnarly skunk, no freak-outs and "oh my god, my heart, MY HEART!" shit. I go out of my way to get crap mexiweed, just good, relaxing times.

It happens on pot, but less severe. It's more like bad thoughts keep creeping up on me if I'm bored.

That's what happens to me when I smoke shitty Mexican cornfield pot.

See the thing for me is that I feel like a lot of pot is too powerful. Maybe I've gotten bad stuff, but usually my friends rave about stuff from the same stash. I miss the days of a mellow smoke-out, where I didn't feel the need for anything but music. It makes me kind of antsy and hyper now.

I don't really do anything but beer and/or Jameson any more either. Seems like I'm too old for drugs now or something. Boo hoo.

will take the cheap mex mix over the high cost chronic anyday. Now-a-days designer chronic gets me hyped and racy - not the nice old fashioned calm & mellow high. I just steer clear these days and have a martini instead.

never did understand the joy of coke neither. just like 5 espressos with a numb nose and mouth. pfft. too much money for the jitters.

NOTM. I'd rather embarass myself by telling people I think they're great than do it by telling people I'm great. In my recent experience, cokeheads are nothing but wankers. Some dude got brought along to our place last night, burst into my room where our drummer, a friend and I were sharing a scliff, and basically ordered him to play his request on the drums. At 3am. Since there was no drumstool, he wrenched a chair away from my friend and started shouting at the top of his voice to play a "tune" on the drums.
Only last week a very attractive girl who'd obviously been truffling it up was walking around our kitchen and flirting with anyone who came in, only to put them down and laugh in their faces.
Two weeks ago was the worst. This guy - this fucking guy wouldn't leave even though all his mates had disappeared home and given up on him. "Gimme a beer and then I'll go" etc. He even tried to steal my coat because he was only wearing a t-shirt and claimed it was okay because "We know each other's families" whatever that was supposed to mean. He knew my ex-girlfriend's mum is about as close as we were. I remember him from when I used to work in an off-licence and he'd come in with his pregnant beat-up girlfriend and shout at her and the staff. Total fucking prick. And all these people had been doing charlie.
I've tried it a couple of times and found it doesn't really give me a "high" other than the ability to chat to anyone and everyone about my stupid life. I have friends who've gone through stages and they would basically blank me or fob me off with some superior comment when I met them out and about and they were on it.
My town used to be a nice friendly place to go but now can be a little scary going out what with cokos and their smart alec nonsequitors and threatening attitdues. It's bullshit.

Yes! The first bump or line make me yawn like crazy. But then there comes a point where I am irrevocably awake.

I know the calm feeling too. It's like my body is vibrating at such a speed that it's humming smoothly and calmly.

One night w/ a certain ILXor who has not yet contributed here I was hanging out snorting big ol' lines, falling asleep sitting on the couch, waking, snorting, sleeping on through morning. Ugh.

It has been 10 months since I lasted used cocaine.

which can be difficult once coke gets involved (see 9am effect)

But I think coke is kinda different. It does fuck with your ego in a way no other drug does. It may not completely transform a person into a unrecognizable form - they're obviously still themself, just a characature - but it never turns you into someone who's more enjoyable to be around than when you're not on it. You may think you're a more interesting/exciting/witty/inciteful person but for everyone else you're pretty much a fucking bore.

That being said I do enjoy it but am aware and accepting of these effects but do it very very very occasionally.

This is how it's been for me, too. Coke was a very occasional thing for me a year or two ago, pot an all the time thing. Now, it's no coke and very rarely pot, and beer, well, a lot.

Okay, see I live in a medium-sized market town in the middle of the town centre above a pub. It is a VERY accessible place and I share it with three other blokes, all in our mid 20s. It is also a VERY big house and is basically built for partying and we like to have our friends come over at the weekends since the drinking hours round here are fairly unsociable (most places close by 11 or 12). The clubs round here are frankly shite and no one I know goes to them.. The novelty of having this place is yet to wear off and since moving here it's become a regular thing to invite our friends back for a drink or a smoke. The problem with being in quite a small town is everyone knows each other by at least 3 degrees of seperation. Once it's all back to ours, it really is ALL back to ours. Once you let 3 people in, they want to bring their mates and they want to bring their mates etc etc. Obviously we've become a fairly popular bunch but I can't help feeling some people are taking advantage of this and taking the piss. Only tonight someone asked me if we're having people back which kind of annoyed me since I only knew the guy not that well.
It's very difficult if you've got a small gang of people in your house and Mr Coko turns up with his mates and asks if Josie's in and if they can come in too - what do you say? And obviously it's not so easy to tell if these people are decent or not. Kick them out? Sure, but how - especially if they're coked up?
I could have a policy where no one's allowed round but on the whole people tend to be well behaved, respect the house and the guests and the people living there. But once in a while it's inevitable that some mong's going to start getting ridiculous about things. I'm quite used to dealing with drunks, being one myself but cokeheads are impossible to deal with, and it's very obvious who is drunk and who is doing something else since the kind of behviour I've witnessed in recent months is unlike anything I've ever seen. It is scarey and it is very difficult to reason with.

option b: there's four of you and you're in your twenties => surely if there are people you don't know in your house who are flipping out, you and your friends can give them the heave-ho?

no i have a wedding to go to tomorrow so i'm taking it easy. I can hear a girl talking quite loudly downstairs. This time I know who she is and it's Friday night, so I'll let my flatmates off.

I do this quite often. I don't like having packs cause I tend to smoke them more often, and I can go for weeks without cigarettes if I don't have them around. So I buy packs for friends and feel less guilty about bumming a smoke from them every once in a while.

As for coke, I've never done it. I've never even been see it or had it offered to me, and I don't think I'd do it if it was offered. But every once in a while I have very vivid dreams of snorting big Scarface-stile piles of coke. I have no idea why.

Results 1 - 10 of about 210 for "fair trade cocaine".

also, if "fucking hipsters" were the only people that did coke, it wouldn't be a billion dollar industry. so why are you people equating cocaine to hipsters.

Whatever. Drug mules or no, you're supporting the economies of brutal dictatorships that should not be.

But I'm kind of a whacko paranoid nut job about such things. It's probably all the drugs I used to do.

oh like this is exclusive to cocaine.

True enough, but how does this excuse the end users?

Doesn't excuse end users so much as make their actions almost irrelevant, if you buy the line that the CIA is going to make sure there are always enough end users to create a sufficient demand for the product our government finds so profitable. (So, for example, if drug use goes down, introduce a new, more addictive form of it and if it happens to disproportionately affect minority and low income users, so much the better!) If you don't buy that line (and I admit it's a kooky one), it doesn't excuse nothin'.

I would distinguish the diamond trade on the grounds that there isn't a huge US government profit machine based on propping up brutal dictatorships willing to keep pumping diamonds into our underground economies.

A colleague of mine who's even more paranoid than I highly recommends this website: http://www.narconews.com/.

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/50787.htm

The argument about snorting coke not being a victimless crime because of dying drug 'mules' doesn't really make sense. Imagine if many western governments outlawed mobile phones or tobasco sauce or razor blades or something, but there was still substantial consumer demand for these products within those western countries. The black market would illictly produce these products and people would smuggle them into those western countries. Some of those people would be very poor and desperate and be willing to jeopardise their safety (by swallowing dozens of phones / jars of sauce / blades / whatever) in return for cash. Some of them would die. This does not make the act of texting / shaving / eating chilli con carne inherently evil. It is the criminalisation of the act which causes the problem. Trust me - no one's dying from having too many mobile phones in their stomachs.

-- Teh HoBB (j__...), September 22nd, 2005 5:01 PM

I think the word "inherently" is doing a lot of work here. Nothing is "inherently" evil - things are evil because of their consequences. To think that taking drugs has no consequences for anyone else is somewhat disingenuous.

-- o. nate (syne_wav...), September 22nd, 2005 5:11 PM

I'm not saying that, though, am I? I'm saying that you can't use the plight of drugs mules as an argument against drugs (and hence in favour of their prohibition) when it's the very prohibition which brings about the plight of the drugs mules. Obviously there are OTHER reasons why cocaine is more harmful than tobasco sauce. (or mobile phones, etc.)

-- Teh HoBB (j__...), September 22nd, 2005 5:16 PM

Well, I disagree then, because I think that you can use the plight of drug mules - and many other people caught in the crossfire of the "drug wars" - as an argument against drug use. You can point your finger at the government and say "They started it", but the truth is it takes two to tango.
-- o. nate (syne_wav...), September 22nd, 2005 5:18 PM

But only because you already think it's a BAD THING. If the tobasco wars were raging around us and tobasco mules were dropping like flies, would you feel similarly justified in railing against tobasco sauce?
-- Teh HoBB (j__...), September 22nd, 2005 5:21 PM

In that case I would weigh how much I really needed Tabasco sauce versus the harm to society that would be caused by my continuing to support the illicit Tabasco trade.

-- o. nate (syne_wav...), September 22nd, 2005 6:24 PM

In regards to the actual drug, it makes a good topical anesthetic, and my band's singer sings about it alot in an ironic way.
Example:
I've got something caught in my through
it's making me gag.
I'm gonna crack safes for a living.
I'm gonna crack safes with crack.
Make a key made out of cocaine.
Gonna be tempting
not to fucking eat it
but I'm gonna use it to crack safes with crack.
I'm gonna crack my safes.
I'll buy more cocaine.
Fill the safe with cocaine.
I cut myself crackin' a safe.
Shrapnel wounds,
I'll stuff the wounds with cocaine.
Then I'll go steal some more cocaine;
Fill his daughter with cocaine.
I'll fill my whiskey with cocaine.
and then we'll se who's to blame.
When I have no shame,
I take it in the rain.

The song: 'Criminals, Cocaine, and You.'
He thinks it's the most hilarious drug ever.
It's expensive, the high is short, it's incredibly addictive(withdrawl can KILLL you!) it can rot your NOSE OFF...and people STILL DO IT.

What you will and what you won't
What you do and what you don't
What you can and what you can't
This is what you need to know:
Loved you though it didn't show
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
da da da
da da da
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Da da da Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
Da da da Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
Da da da Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
Da da da Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
da da da
da da da
da da da
da da da
(whispered)
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht, aha
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht, aha
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht, aha
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht.
I know why you ran away, aha
Understand you couldn't stay, aha
Wonder where you are today, aha
After all was said and done
It was right for you to run!
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht, aha
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht, aha
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht, aha
Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
da da da
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da da da
Da da da Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
Da da da Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
Da da da Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
Da da da Ich liebe dich nicht, du liebst mich nicht
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"Good" LSD vs "Bad" is a matter of what else is in it, how it's made, etc.

Look for those who are compulsively rubbing their nose.

I've got something caught in my through
it's making me gag.
I'm gonna crack safes for a living.
I'm gonna crack safes with crack.
Make a key made out of cocaine.
Gonna be tempting
not to fucking eat it
but I'm gonna use it to crack safes with crack.
I'm gonna crack my safes.
I'll buy more cocaine.
Fill the safe with cocaine.
I cut myself crackin' a safe.
Shrapnel wounds,
I'll stuff the wounds with cocaine.
Then I'll go steal some more cocaine;
Fill his daughter with cocaine.
I'll fill my whiskey with cocaine.
and then we'll se who's to blame.
When I have no shame,
I take it in the rain.

In regards to the actual drug, it makes a good topical anesthetic, and my band's singer sings about it alot in an ironic way.

Then I'll go steal some more cocaine;
Fill his daughter with cocaine.
I'll fill my whiskey with cocaine.
and then we'll se who's to blame.
When I have no shame,
I take it in the rain.

my cocaine dealer takes switch. he has a chip and pin machine.

it is truly the future!

Mine only drives me to a cash machine! I feel cheated!

yr cocaine dealer is really, really stupid.

"takes switch" waht does that mean.

my town is "out" of coke at the moment. of course "out" is always relative.

switch = debit card

"take switch" = accepts debit cards.

xp

lester freamon would have this guy within five minutes of the wire going up.

and if that is the future the future is pretty fuckin' bleak.

i wonder if admrl on cocaine is like a person thinking they are paul scholes

this may well explain darren ambrose

never did blow, what am i missing?

gershy: bad breath and a shrunken penis.

self-esteem

and a shrunken penis

Sleep deprivation.

wondering when/if the D.A. will take notice of your bounced checks

Bloody emissions from your nose in the shower every morning.

but ahhh, the burn. i miss that. just have to snort crushed up lucozade tablets instead.

If it's good it shouldn't really burn very much. It's all about "the drip".

talking shit for hours on end

5am phone calls to girlfriend's voicemail telling her your heart is beating about 150mph and you really love her and wanted to let her know in case anything bad happened

ass-to-ass

wanting to do more coke

Drinking a bottle of Indian whiskey because it's the only thing you can find and you need something to take the edge off the crash.

sucking dick in an alley

In The First 10 minutes: 10 teaspoons of sugar hit your system. (100% of your recommended daily intake.) You don’t immediately vomit from the overwhelming sweetness because phosphoric acid cuts the flavor allowing you to keep it down.

20 minutes: Your blood sugar spikes, causing an insulin burst. Your liver responds to this by turning any sugar it can get its hands on into fat. (There’s plenty of that at this particular moment)

40 minutes: Caffeine absorption is complete. Your pupils dilate, your blood pressure rises, as a response your livers dumps more sugar into your bloodstream. The adenosine receptors in your brain are now blocked preventing drowsiness.

45 minutes: Your body ups your dopamine production stimulating the pleasure centers of your brain. This is physically the same way heroin works, by the way.

60 minutes: The phosphoric acid binds calcium, magnesium and zinc in your lower intestine, providing a further boost in metabolism. This is compounded by high doses of sugar and artificial sweeteners also increasing the urinary excretion of calcium.

90 Minutes: The caffeine’s diuretic properties come into play. (It makes you have to pee.) It is now assured that you’ll evacuate the bonded calcium, magnesium and zinc that was headed to your bones as well as sodium, electrolyte and water.

120 minutes: As the rave inside of you dies down you’ll start to have a sugar crash. You may become irritable and/or sluggish. You’ve also now, literally, pissed away all the water that was in the Coke. But not before infusing it with valuable nutrients your body could have used for things like even having the ability to hydrate your system or build strong bones and teeth.

something real crepey about girls who flirt w you for awhile and it all builds up to asking if you have any white girl :-/

having sex in bathrooms

is so classic

i did some. fuck the haterz

lol low self-esteem

And a shrunken penis.

it eats yr soul

never did blow, what am i missing?

A moderate amount of fun in exchange for rather a lot of money.

I have never paid that large a sum of money for cocaine. It's crazy expense by weight, but the few times I bought it, it only cost me like $40.

For a half or a full G? If it's a whole, that's like half as expensive as it is here (and probably better quality).

Hmmm. I don't remember. I think I paid $30 for a half? Hard to say. My ex-bf was the one who knew the weights, I just handed out money. :/

i thought that shit was free

my favorite kinky friedman line, from his book "greenwich killing time", after he has just described walking into someone's apartment in the village and seeing her on her couch looking like a "waxen insect":

"want any coke?" she said

"no thanks, i just had an apple on the way over"

IS SNOW NOISE?

Its a party drug. Good for the party, bad for Monday morning.

Cocaine really is the drug that, before dancing with it, you need a really good understanding of the term "moderation".

So, not REALLY indefensible, I think, in and of itself.

i don't know i'm scared of it. it just leaves me feeling like the saddest, most shameful and stupid person ever. haha. and it only lasts for 20 minutes!! seems kinda ridiculous as a way to like have a good time. smoke a joint and down a few shots of rum, no?

smoke a joint and down a few shots of rum, no?

God no, that would make me lose the power of speech! But then I gave up weed five years ago.

i did some. fuck the haterz

-- carne asada, Monday, January 14, 2008 7:22 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

you are sooo cool.

smoke a joint and down a few shots of rum, no?

Yes. Unequivocally, yes.

bad idea when you move to nyc and get a job making like 3 times what your last job did

=P

smoke a joint and down a few shots of rum, no?

But not whisk(e)y. That is a recipe for the beginnings of a bad night.

you are sooo cool.

-- chaki, Monday, January 14, 2008 12:24 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

HATER

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http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/apr/28/bn28tj-dead124031/

maybe the swine flu will wipe out the civil turf war or vice versa

in all seriousness, i read a good article in the independent about mexico's "unclaimed" mafia district, and the filthy, abysmal battle being fought for it by rival factions

it was pretty goddamn horrifying

articles can be so horrifying

yeah I hate it when people "write" about "things that happen".

in all seriousness, more swine flu jokes are a good bet.

Fucking horrendous. Oddly enough, I just read this article today while in the waiting room at my doctor's office: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1893512,00.html

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/17/mexico.juarez.boy.killed/index.html

cocaine is a stupid drug. perhaps the STUPIDEST drug.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, April 21, 2006 4:44 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark

Drinking a bottle of Indian whiskey because it's the only thing you can find and you need something to take the edge off the crash.

― jim, Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:19 AM (1 year ago)

lol so glad i don't do drugs anymore. Some fun times but thinking of the money I spent and the damage I did to my body [*_*]

i like coke because i feel embarrassed for 1 week afterwards
― jhøshea, Monday, May 7, 2007 4:10 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha this is like the most otm thing ever written about coke

aw you have patched it up w/ jho - maybe u2 shd watch latter-day james bonds together while high

how can joe and i be in a fight if we are each others sock

reality bomb

think abt it louis

i would think it pretty fuckin classic to be snorting coke in some extravagant way ala tony montana just before he gets shot to hell

u just otm'd self - obv been at the blow RDJ style xp

so embarrassed

you guys got high on cocaine and became each other's sock puppets--good job. think how bad you'll feel in one week

white sox

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/19/juarez.cartels.journalists/index.html

have had some great times on coke....only did it about 5/6 times ever tho. last time it as a friend of a friend's party in Dublin and he sells it so there was mountains of it. the guy lived in some townhouse but there was loads of his parents' stuff around, they had miles davis "get up with it" on vinyl, so I made everyone listen. then we found the best of phil spector and created complex dance routines for each track. good times!

It's always the most naturally hyped-up, nonstop talkers I know who got super into coke...I will entertain any hypotheses about this.

well sometimes it seems people can't just quietly do drugs, it has to be a thing they can do and then tell everyone about it

at least someone doing cocaine may possibly be worthy/ready/willing to have my dick plunged into after their bathroom trip

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:18 PM (2 years ago)

i mean if that not a case for coke being classic i don't know what is.

you want jon to plunge his dick into you? :s

does he have coke?

i dunno, but i have some acid. why don't you join us over on that thread!

lol

ok coke is pretty indefensible

i say this as someone who was at a party last night where everyone except me was blown silly

maybe that was the problem idk

i like coke because i feel embarrassed for 1 week afterwards
― jhøshea, Monday, May 7, 2007 4:10 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha this is like the most otm thing ever written about coke

― max, Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:43 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

Hahaha YES. I have not done it in years and only did it a handful of times at that. I fucking loved it. A lot. Which is why I didn't do it more often. I could see how it could quickly become in issue for me. So, I can understand why ppl do but it does tend to turn some ppl into ENORMOUS ASSHOLES esp those who are already heading that way when sober.

And LJ while we've not met in person, I really really don't think that doing coke would be a good thing for you. Just sayin'.

this shit is the absolute worst btw.

^^^this seems a pretty accurate analysis of coke-related assholism xxpost

i mean it was great but one person had to be a humourless cunt and completely ruin it - even the others on coke were telling him to chill out

it kinda brought most of 'em to my level tbh ;)

I'm Level 10 asshole already. My friends are invoking the lord God himself to keep me away from this shit. But man, it sure do look temptin.

Its great. Except for the price tag.

5am phone calls to girlfriend's voicemail telling her your heart is beating about 150mph and you really love her and wanted to let her know in case anything bad happened

This^^^^ I've been the recipient of a retardo number of these phone calls, and I never realized that's what was happening. Somehow.

Until I read milo's post back in January 08, I mean.

never tried it, never been offered

Comes in handy at Christmas time for all these parties that would generally suck unless you have some of the marching powder.

I still don't get this. It doesn't even seem to have an affect on me when I have done it. Everyone else just acts like a dick. I now know an ex coworker who came into something like £30,000 compensation from a bodged operation and is now gnawing away at that to feed a rapidly increasing habit.
What also surprises me is the amount of kids I've spoken to who "don't do drugs except coke", which I find utterly o_O

It's not that strong. Gets you less fucked up and is less of commitment than ecstasy, say. First time I did it I was really suprised by how subtle the effects were (it was probably shit stuff as well).

very subtle - £50 for a bunged up nose imo.

most people will just yammer on abt some really boring strong emotions they have for their childhood bedspread or whatever - its cool i guess if yr yelling and partying and pouring beers out over yr head - pretty much past that stage in my life tho

its pretty cool how it allows u to consume infinite alcohol

To this day, I am a blabberer and will talk ALL HOURS AND HOURS drunk or sober, this is why I have things like hobbies and sleep to chill me out and I try to consciously step back from things sometimes. The substance itt just makes it cool for me and everyone ELSE to be how I already am, secretly, inside. I kinda love that.

As of Saturday I've now had two different college professors in their mid 50's ramble on to me about how much they loved doing coke in the 70's when they lived in California and that they really wished they had more money at the time so they could have done way more of it, despite tons of their friends who did have money ending up broke and in rehab.

i have an older friend -- probably pushing 50 now i guess -- who waxes nostalgic about "the days before cocaine was bad for you." like, a golden era when everybody did it without worrying about it, before the wreckage started becoming apparent. (he was also in detroit when crack arrived, and smoked it a few times and thought, "this is going to be very bad news.")

No way is cocaine something I wish I'd done more of. Unlike certain other drugs, taking it is definitely a weakness (in most people's cases hopefully a minor one...). I've said several times I'm not going to touch it again, then the right circumstances come up and it's like 'oh, gooo on then.'

Should point out the main reasons I've denounced it in the past are ones of cost and ethics - I never taken it regularly enough to be in danger of becoming addicted.

ill pretty much do it if someone offers - tho this almost never happens anymore

sniff the unsniffable

Yeah, I dont buy it anymore, but goddamn I loved this shit.

I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but a friend of mine said something I thought was pretty true:

"Coke is the drug for people who 'don't do drugs any more'."

the ideal situation is for every single drug to be legal, since i don't think the moral and ethical arguments (third world problems, huge murder rate just across the border as drug gangs jockey for position or kill cops/hundreds of women) that the government might attempt to make will stop people from using drugs (also: if people stop using drugs, the violence would dry up, and then there'd be no reason to legalize them, so maybe it's best to keep the violence going on in places that don't matter running at full steam ahead so eventually people will get so exhausted and then drugs will be legal.)

uh what

http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/swift_modest_proposal.jpg

oh i see what u did there

dang the mexican navy just killed the fuck out of a cartel dude

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091217/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico

Shit, the Christmas present I was going to give myself just probably got a little more expensive.

what christmas present is that bill magill

it's a cocaine christmas for Bill Magill

give the gift of crack this holiday season

bill magill, were you going to buy yourself cocaine, for christmas

and then snort it up your nose

his nose is his chimney and the cocaine is Santa Claus

he was gonna snort it off the back of a

ITT: ILX posters casually mentioning ilicit or dangerous hobbies they engage in in an attempt to sound cool

dreaming of a white xmas

on the flipside the present will cost only 3 dead cops instead of the usual 4 : D

let it snow....in yr nose

defense: it kept my room mate circa '99-'00 so busy that i practically had an entire house to myself for $250/ month

This thread has been locked by an administrator

D:

ITT: ILX posters casually mentioning ilicit or dangerous hobbies they engage in in an attempt to sound cool

― you are wrong I'm bone thugs in harmon (omar little), Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:10 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Hahahah: god forbid you mention drug use on a "Defend the Indefensible: Cocaine" thread!

I think it was more the 'wink wink nudge nudge i'ma buy some cocaine' thing that left you wide open

left yr sinuses wide open

for cocaine

snort the indefensible

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/12/23/us/cocaine-and-a-dead-bear.html

A 175-pound black bear apparently died of an overdose of cocaine after discovering a batch of the drug, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said today. The cocaine was apparently dropped from a plane piloted by Andrew Thornton, a convicted drug smuggler who died Sept. 11 in Knoxville, Tenn., because he was carrying too heavy a load while parachuting. The bureau said the bear was found Friday in northern Georgia among 40 opened plastic containers with traces of cocaine.

havent done this in a while, so:

ladies and gentlemen, bill magill!!!

A 175-pound black bear apparently died of an overdose of cocaine after discovering a batch of the drug, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said today. The cocaine was apparently dropped from a plane piloted by Andrew Thornton, a convicted drug smuggler who died Sept. 11 in Knoxville, Tenn., because he was carrying too heavy a load while parachuting. The bureau said the bear was found Friday in northern Georgia among 40 opened plastic containers with traces of cocaine.

― krampus activities (latebloomer), Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:56 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

never forget 9/11

http://www.bannerblog.com.au/news/picts/coke_bear_WTF.jpg

"Take a load off Andy, and you can put the load right on me"

rip coked-up bear

Oh shit that bear!

;-; how many more bears must die before we realize what a terrible toll this war on drugs is taking on us

bears, as all of us, need 2 learn the hard way: at the party that never ends, sometimes the party ends u.

why are we not posting in the style of people who have taken cocaine?

massive family anecdotes

Massive Attack anecdotes

cocaine other people paid for: classic
paying for coke yourself: major DUD

overall tho, since the primary effect of coke is the production of the desire to do more, i'd say it's indefensible for a reason.

if all my experiences with the drug had not involved product that had been repeatedly stepped on, i would probably be more agreeable to paying for it tbh. i'd sooner take an adderall.

MAN I DO LOVE COCAINE, bill said. GREATEST TIMES OF MY LIFE. he gulped half a bottle of mineral water in one swig and smiled. HOOKERS TOO, he said with a wink.

need to change title to "itt Bill Magill does cocaine"

need to change title to "itt Bill Magill does cocaine" + activate google ads = $$$ for coke fap

lololol

would endorse liveblogging itt along the lines of the "I told u I was hardcore" kid

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091223/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico

headline of article i linked upthread is "mexican kingpin's death could spark more bloodshed", and hey whaddya know:

MEXICO CITY – Assailants on Tuesday gunned down the mother, aunt and siblings of a marine killed in a raid that took out one of Mexico's most powerful cartel leaders — sending a chilling message to troops battling the drug war: You go after us, we wipe out your families.

that is really not cool

whoa this thread got awesome in a hurry

except for that poor bear ;_;

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/smoke/snort.gif

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4215612237_7cda3f74c9_o.jpg

gnarly!

Two weeks into 2010, gang bloodshed is becoming more grotesque as drug lords ramp up their attempts at intimidation. Last week a victim's face was peeled from his skull and sewn onto a soccer ball. On Monday, prosecutors in Culiacan identified the remains of 41-year-old former police officer divided into two separate ice chests.

"You wonder how this will end, and it seems impossible," said Daniel Vega, an architect in the northern city of Monterrey. "I doubt Mexico can override drug use, especially since demand for the drugs, as well as all the money and weapons, come from the United States."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100112/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico

How the hell do I find this shit in Toronto. Please help.

u call the number then someone brings it to yr house iirc

4 real narc alert

"cerveza?"

http://media.photobucket.com/image/william%20fichtner%20go%20movie/pegRH/William%20Fichtner/willGO2.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fjn6uYUGJnsm_M%3Ahttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c378/pegRH/William%2520Fichtner/willGO2.jpg

Last week a victim's face was peeled from his skull and sewn onto a soccer ball.

that is some evil, gruesome shit but i'll be damned if it isn't creative

and craft-y!

goooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal!

Hahahah: god forbid you mention drug use on a "Defend the Indefensible: Cocaine" thread!

― Bill Magill, Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:31 PM Bookmark

Whoa, he used the same construction on the Zeppelin thread. I propose we call this the "Magill defense"

butthurting 2

Sorry to hear that

I'll take it as a compliment that you are keeping such close track of my posts. And I am more than happy to oblige and post a "Magill defense" on every thread.

hilarious thread!

if i had some coek right now i'd jam a big'ol rock on my aching tooth

Oh shit yeh, coke on a sore tooth is amazing. A year or so ago when I was having wisdom tooth problem I'd have gone crazy without it. Coke's actual effects are pretty d for me (I'm in the "I'd rather have come coffee" camp) but it's awesome on teeth and tastes better than clove oil.

And probably better for you than swallowing a couple of ibuprofen every 3 hours.

This is interesting: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/the-mystery-of-the-tainted-cocaine/Content?oid=4683741

best boxcar children book yet!

ha

lol

http://i.imgur.com/BrZGE.jpg

This would make a nice gift for some ppl ITT.

I pretty much hate (and adore) cocaine, but this ad makes it very alluring.

what on earth/when in re: that ad

Source: http://chateauthombeau.blogspot.com/2010/08/you-deserve-it.html

That is one of my favorite blogs, but be warned that it is very often NSFW (usually wang) w/out warning.

is it really that hard to defend cocaine? it makes you feel good iirc

It's hard to defend when you live among black people and everyone thinks you all know about cocaine or have it or sell it.

is it really that hard to defend cocaine? it makes you feel good iirc

― proprietor of gib (roxymuzak), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^agreed

It's not hard to defend that one aspect of it, no. But beyond feeling good (great), I'm not able to defend it.

is it really that hard to defend cocaine? it makes you feel good iirc

― proprietor of gib (roxymuzak), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this isnt a "defense"

its "a reason people use cocaine"

Heroin makes me or you feel good, I still think it's shit.

is it really that hard to defend stealing shit? then the shit belongs to you iirc

hahahaha

I browsed the rest of the thread and I'm not seeing any real defenses of it. Or at least not beyond "I like it" or "you're all crazy [for disliking it]."

is it really that hard to defend cocaine? it makes you feel good iirc

― proprietor of gib (roxymuzak), Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this isnt a "defense"

― max, Thursday, September 2, 2010 12:54 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Why the hell not? People take drugs to feel good, cocaine makes you feel good, so it acheives its purpose

It's not hard to defend that one aspect of it, no. But beyond feeling good (great), I'm not able to defend it.

― Jesse, Thursday, September 2, 2010 12:50 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^this makes no sense.

cocaine makes no sense

killer post

Defending cocaine: Well, it makes you feel good, but that is only one mitigating factor in the sea of awfulness of cocaine.

xp to Bill Magill

It's hard to defend when you live among black people and everyone thinks you all know about cocaine or have it or sell it.

― i just like barbecue rib, whatever (u s steel), Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:45 AM (10 hours ago)

its hard out here for a white people

one thing I constantly think of all of my white friends is that they are all not-so-secret cocaine dealers

Why the hell not? People take drugs to feel good, cocaine makes you feel good, so it acheives its purpose

― Zeppelin to Howlin Wolf: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, September 2, 2010 1:21 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

people murder other people to make them stop living; murder kills people, so it achieves its purpose

the fact that something "works" the way its supposed to is not a "defense"

what if you're watching football and a team's defense works

posting about cocaine makes no sense

what if you're reading a thread and a poster's defense works

much respect max but you realize that yer argument is kinda flawed right

I don't think literally every white person I know would deal cocaine if it were in fact indefensible. It's not at all comparable to murder iirc. More like casual sex without a condom. Kind of makes you an asshole, but feels really good.

I keep reading the title of this thread as "Defend the Indefensible: Coca-Cola."

it's Defend the Indefensible and you want logic??

I don't think literally every white person I know would deal cocaine if it were in fact indefensible.

this is perhaps the most egregious usage of the word "literally" I've encountered in a while

much respect max but you realize that yer argument is kinda flawed right

― gg eileen (jjjusten), Thursday, September 2, 2010 1:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well... i mean this kind of comes down to what "defend" means

Dan I don't know if you're being naive but afaik every white person deals. certainly every white poster on this board has offered to sell me cocaine at one point or another, and at shocking rates. bad showing you guys really, I wasn't born yesterday

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/literally

3.
actually; without exaggeration or inaccuracy: The city was literally destroyed.

I used it correctly.

why do you think they call us "white" people

e·gre·gious/iˈgrējəs/Adjective
1. Outstandingly bad; shocking.
2. Remarkably good.

Which definition did I mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTVf-YLa2G0

yeah i mean i guess if you are looking for a defense outside of "makes peeps feel good" pretty much every drug is going to fail that test. (and yeah yeah medical marijuana and blah blah but wrt any illegally traded substance everything surrounding it is going to be a net bad pretty much.) xpost to max

-signed a white people so obv someone with a horse in the race if you know what i mean

if all white people sell cocaine, what do all black people sell? snuff?

Not to derail, but I have a theory that "literally" has become abused as a modifier as a sort of subconscious reaction to the prevalence of "like" in everyday speech.

yeah i mean i guess if you are looking for a defense outside of "makes peeps feel good" pretty much every drug is going to fail that test. (and yeah yeah medical marijuana and blah blah but wrt any illegally traded substance everything surrounding it is going to be a net bad pretty much.) xpost to max

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Well, I check my rates against the cocaine commodities index every day, I swear.

hold up what now?! xpost

I'm not going to fall into the trap of saying "all black people do..." anything. nice try though.

if all white people sell cocaine, what do all black people sell?

50/50 split fine art & bulk paper iirc

i dont really think that makes my argument "flawed" btw

ILX's Guide to Posting While High on Cocaine.

max yr argt is that a defense has to answer all objections tho isn't it - I mean - who does that sound like - me - that's how you know it's wrong

why do black peoples never want to sell rock?

Also:

I don't think literally every white person I know would deal cocaine if it were in fact indefensible. It's not at all comparable to murder iirc. More like casual sex without a condom. Kind of makes you an asshole, but feels really good.

― Two Red Ducks, Thursday, September 2, 2010 1:38 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if you have a lethal STD then casual sex w/o condom is comparable to murder...

btw, this is my defense of cocaine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYP_MgWF8hw

UNITY

at work, so i can't open that youtube, but i am assuming its video of pete doherty being led off in handcuffs

While we're at it, this defending of the indefensible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niGc5vveDwY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iumdwSTjcdw

if you have a lethal STD then casual sex w/o condom is comparable to murder...

True dat, but I feel it's implicit in the comparison that you don't have lethal std, at least not knowingly. Or maybe you just suspect that you probably have a non-lethal one. Or maybe you've been tested and have none at all, but who knows about the other guy. Non-murderous jerkishness is the threshhold we're looking for. Ultimately I think you're looking for a loophole in the hypothetical, and that defeats the purpose of the comparison.

While you were out, I got the keys to your car and drove it into a big wall and if you don't like it, tough! I've had my fun, and that's all that matters.

http://forums.dieselstation.com/style_emoticons/default/smug2.gif

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/d/david-bowie/album-station-to-station.jpg

snorting cocaine is indefensible

i'd rather inject myself with urine than put a used note in my nose

that's an idiosyncratic preference.

itt put coke in yr butt

who even uses money to snort coke, besides amateurs?

bootybumps: c/d

defend the indefensible: bootybumps

yeah as a dude that has been stuck in an apartment with an insane dude baricaded in the bathroom shooting coke and spraying blood all over the place im just going to go ahead and say you know if you gotta do it, go ahead and snort that shit ok

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100831071758AA0TXi6

who even uses money to snort coke, besides amateurs?

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 2 September 2010 21:01 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

well you still have to share the chosen snorting tube right? i don't tend to snort cocaine by myself. if i was going to do that i'd just do it face first tony montana style

but that's pretty cool that you're a pro cocaine user, dude

http://mcauleysworld.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/12765047922.jpg

^^^drug cartels executed these folks at a drug rehab facility in mexico fwiw, so maybe it's best to stay on the stuff lest you end up like that

If you want lines but don't have straws, money is a handy option.

Whitney Houston got pissed at Bobby Brown and screamed: THAT'S THE LAST STRAW!!

Bobby said, "Baby, that's OK, we can use hundred dollar bills!

money works fine, depends on the type of note though. Crisp £50 note works a treat.

yeah it is pretty cool, being a professional cocaine user. i get paid in cocaine, for snorting cocaine.

I'm glad there's no underworld connections ever with weed, we can all just hate on cokeheads all day and imagine that everybody's smoking local buds

the cocaine cartels are the most obvious villains but there are plenty of traffickers in other drugs who are just as bad fyi aerosmith.

but that's pretty cool that you're a pro cocaine user, dude

Right now I'm picturing cocaine use as a sporting event.

skiing

The act of snorting is half the fun.

https://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mexicocarnage1.jpg

looks like the end of a good party here

this thread is indefensible

the cocaine cartels are the most obvious villains but there are plenty of traffickers in other drugs who are just as bad fyi aerosmith.

umm lol that was my point dude

i don't think he could read you over how sanctimonious he is.

i was being "funny", aero!

Whitney Houston got pissed at Bobby Brown and screamed: THAT'S THE LAST STRAW!!

Bobby said, "Baby, that's OK, we can use hundred dollar bills!

lol

*shrug* i'm not trying to be sanctimonious, i think it's pretty obvious that i'm not "wrong" and the issue may be "complex" but it's worth noting in a thread where a bunch of folks are rhapsodizing over cocaine's awesomeness. it may in fact be awesome, i hear it actually is and it should be legal as of this moment. but still...right?

i mean it's not like drug users are any more to blame the the governments of the world for being bullshit puritans, or obviously the cartels for being sick motherfuckers. don't get me wrong. but it's something that probably should be considered more than it is since i think at least two of the three major entities involved in this particular war don't care about who gets killed south of the border, and i think drug users more likely than not actually do or would in fact care.

anyway, the first step and the quickest move is to legalize everything and see what happens. i'm not holding my breath, though.

i think drug users more likely than not actually do or would in fact care.

see I think you are completely OTM until you get to here

: /

yeah

you are overestimating the goodness in people.

if people gave a fuck, there'd be no homeless. there'd be no war. i'd have a better job with free fiji water.

people don't give a shit. snorting fair-trade coke or free-range mcnuggets ain't gonna help.

only violence solves anything, truly. the cartels are in touch with their humanity. their horrid, disgusting humanity.

goodbye, ILX. you've killed my faith in people.

goodbye, sweet prince

and my flights of angels sing thee to thy rest

snorting McNuggets seems like a terrible idea

let them dry out and the white meat turns into powder

don't eat mcdonald's, guys /sanctimonious

so can you inject mcnuggets if you mix them with sweet n sour sauce?

i just ate a banana. i have no idea where that banana came from.

when i was a child my dad worked for a charity. once he was traveling to visit projects with his work in the far-east somewhere - i want to say the Philippines, but i'm not sure. he met a worker at a banana plantation who had been involved in attempts to unionise. the banana plantation was owned by del monte, if i remember correctly. the worker told him of how his friend, who had been the leader of the attempted union, was kidnapped, tortured to death, then beheaded. his head was put on a pole where the other workers would see it.

i concede that the violence in mexico is an egregious and extreme example of the harm that is done in order that us 1st worlders can have things that make our lives more comfortable, and how we blithely disregard that harm.

however...

find it strange and kind of annoying when i get (well got, i no longer do coke) shit from people for doing coke from an ethical point of view when i know they are equally willfully ignorant of the bogus shit that goes on in providing them the food they eat, the interest on their bank account, the mobile phone they use, the clothes they wear, yadda yadda yadda. just seems like real "beam out of thine own eye" shit.

^agreed 100%

yeah obv the most indefensible thing abt coke is that it connects you, personally or owise, w some unbelievable scumbags - lets legalise it so that we are connected w even bigger corporate scumbags (who need to make a buck somehow, i mean tobacco ain't what it was...)

i am v v much a reformed character now, but back when i was an over-indulging degenerate, i loved to LICK the banknote clean (a nice shiny twenty quid note, for personal pref - the ink is so good on the fifty it sometimes contaminate the gds)

supply chains in any product probably, or in many things certainly, involve all kinds of crappy behavior up to and including violence.

supply chains in illegal products always involve violence. you can be sure of it.

let's stop using any and all products, in order to avoid violence

those are valid arguments. as i said in the drugs murder mexico thread, all we can do is try to not do things that hurt other people. the world is complex and lots of allegiances and ties and actions have foul consequences. if i found out some awful shit about a product i had, i would get rid of it. honestly, i've been tempted by cocaine before, it's not hard to come by around these parts. and i smoked weed *~back in tha day~*. but knowing what i know about the cocaine trade kinda means i file it under "do not want." honestly, if i found out egregious shit about anything else i bought i would feel like not using it. we can just try to do our best imo.

personally i dont eat bananas

worst fruit

bill, i guess what i'm saying is why throw up your hands and use it based around the justification that other products also have specious morality? why not just try to eliminate products that are shady as best we can? it may not be possible to be totally clean, but as clean as possible would be good i think.

well, the answer is "because I don't give a shit about violence that happens to other people, but I DO give a shit about you making me admit that"

i think trying to get into a moral argument with bill magill is probably a waste of time

wheres ice cr?m when u need him

omar otm again and again

when talking about something as hedonistic as cocaine use, appealing to someones moral sense is going to be a failing tact except maybe with 5% of the most casual of users if even. coke is not a rational consumer choice type of thing

well, the answer is "because I don't give a shit about violence that happens to other people, but I DO give a shit about you making me admit that led zeppelin stealing from howlin wolf"

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Thursday, September 2, 2010 2:17 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Zeppelin to Howlin Wolf: "Snort It"

lol

gambling at a harrah's or wynn establishment is a much better way to go than with some local mob racket. corporations are better than criminals, sorry! i'd much rather altria was running coke into the US by truck than the sinaloa in some teenager's asshole. neither one is good but one is better than the other.

anyone seen this? kind of hilarious, kind of illuminating for a certain kind of customer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVo4xLUJWqA&feature=channel

i'd much rather altria was running coke into the US by truck than the sinaloa in some teenager's asshole. neither one is good but one is better than the other.

OTM, and looooooooooooool

irl white line fever

the only sort-of kink in my logic there is that criminal enterprises are often a means of building wealth for (the men of) non-white or "less-white" groups (thinking of catholic and jewish mobsters during prohibition here). that's about the only thing that organized crime has going for it, tbh, and it's not much -- but the point is a lot of this stuff shouldn't be crime

yeah goole & omar otm entirely basically

cant believe ppl were like 'b-b-but bananas'

i think traditionally on ilx the "defend the indefensible" threads were designed for people to struggle to name something good about the "indefensible" thing. 1000xposts to max

Omar & Goole have been v v OTM and excellent to read on this & the mexico thread I think.

those are valid arguments. as i said in the drugs murder mexico thread, all we can do is try to not do things that hurt other people. the world is complex and lots of allegiances and ties and actions have foul consequences. if i found out some awful shit about a product i had, i would get rid of it. honestly, i've been tempted by cocaine before, it's not hard to come by around these parts. and i smoked weed *~back in tha day~*. but knowing what i know about the cocaine trade kinda means i file it under "do not want." honestly, if i found out egregious shit about anything else i bought i would feel like not using it. we can just try to do our best imo.

I mean - I agree with this, but it seems to soft-soap that unless your fruits, meats, and vegetables are entirely made by people you know personally, your hands are probably dirty, and you choose to draw a line somewhere that's somewhat arbitrary. I mean, this isn't to say "it's all hopeless, so do coke,"* but like, while the cocaine line is straight and easy to understand, and the human violence of it spectacularly horrifying, that doesn't make marginally less clear lines between the things we consume & their real human cost any less valid: pork production**, agriculture, chocolate as mentioned. clothes, electronics. you know?
*it is in fact all hopeless but we probably still shouldn't do much if any coke
**you can leave the vegetarian issue aside; big pork poisons groundwater & waterways, destroys communities, and provides some of the worst labor conditions in modern memory

john otm. people tend to get far too excited about drawing the certain rather obvious lines while skirting other, less clear and more difficult decisions. which isn't to say that everything is equal and equally fucked, so yay! start shoving cocaine up yr nose or whatever. but i suspect that yr doing comparable evil by driving a car, heating/lighting your house, eating processed meat, etc. which lessens my inclination to wax censorious over recreational drug use.

i dont really know how to "compare" (deaths as a direct result of? livelihoods destroyed thanks to? amount the world has been made more fucked up by?) but 23k dead since 2006 is a pretty breathtaking number.

totally. but i don't know how to make those comparisons either. i suspect, though, that industrial agriculture and 1st world energy consumption have fucked the world far, far more than the drug trade could ever hope to. just a guess...

I've never touched coke in my life. In 1997, a number of acquaintances and colleagues went off the rails - one or two died - and coke was an element in *all* of the cases, being as it's something newly moneyed people run foul of because they're being FUN and CONVIVIAL while being insecure about the idea that they're missing the party. Yes, it has always bugged me that some of the biggest users I know are also the type of people who hate battery farming and GM foods, wouldn't eat a piece of fruit or chocolate unless it was Fairtrade and consider themselves pacifists - using coke in this context is at best a case of blithe ignorance, at worst a smug, hypocritical illumination of a certain kind of privilege.

People who care about where their stuff comes from - and I'd say I was one of those people - can only aspire to elimination of all the toxic or evil things we encounter as consumers; we have to accept that there will be an element of cruelty in the supply chain as a by-product of capitalism but once we see specific examples, morally there's no excuse whatsoever to carry on as if there's nothing to see here. I can't ever un-discover those pictures of battery hens and sweatshop workers but I can use the information to make better (or less imperfect) choices.

i guess for me, the difference is like the relationship b/w the US & the south/central american countries that we have razed for things like lumber & fruit is so institutionalized and has been for years that a real change in the status quo doesn't seem to be on the horizon, despite green labels in wal mart and what not

whereas i feel like violence in mexico can still be turned around, not institutionalized, altho it's probably on it's way, but it's still a salvageable situation, more or less, where if you were buying cocaine on the reg (as opposed to chiquita bananas) you would plausibly be contributing to the point where the violence & shit there becomes a generations-long permanent fixture

but maybe i'm being too cynical with the former and too naive with the latter

i really don't know

People who care about where their stuff comes from - and I'd say I was one of those people - can only aspire to elimination of all the toxic or evil things we encounter as consumers; we have to accept that there will be an element of cruelty in the supply chain as a by-product of capitalism but once we see specific examples, morally there's no excuse whatsoever to carry on as if there's nothing to see here.

^ exactly this. agree completely. and i try my best to be a responsible, ethical consumer. but i'm not perfect, and the quest for perfection in this regard can become suspect, too. i guess i'm just less than 100% convinced when someone picks a certain issue to get all aggro about (be it cocaine, meat production, auto use, or whatever) and acts like anyone who crosses the line drawn in the sand is unclean. almost all of us are evildoers to some extent or another, no matter how green/clean we try to live.

if i get to pick my strawmen, i guess i'm personally more okay with someone who never drives a car but occasionally does cocaine than with a an SUV driver who gets all bent out of shape about the consequences of the drug trade (something i'm more inclined to blame on moronic legislation than on the existence of demand).

LOL, when I posted that I'd never gone to Starbucks in my life, I experienced a massive ILX pile-on. But it's true! By the time Starbucks made it to the UK, their expansion model was suspect - also this is Europe, I live in a historically Italian neighbourhood and we know a thing or two about macchiato. Thusly, I've never been tempted by frappuccino.

There is also the idea that in pursuing fairer consumer choices, one becomes a parody of worthiness - just because I don't want to buy sweatshop clothes doesn't mean that I run around in hand-loomed hemp dresses with sustainably sourced buttons. I only soapbox occasionally - otherwise I'm too busy trying to make subtler adjustments and finding other, more effective ways of changing how others make the same choices.

man bill magill is a fan of all kinds of illicit and exploitative behaviour iirc

and yet he hates led zeppelin, how does that work?

man bill magill is a fan of all kinds of illicit and exploitative behaviour iirc

― i am legernd (history mayne), Friday, September 3, 2010 5:03 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yes, I am glad that you can judge that I am a completely immoral and odious monster by the fact that you've read a few things that I have posted on an internet message board over the years. You might be a little surprised if you knew me in real life.

j0hn and contenderizer those are all good points you're making upthread and the planet is pretty fucked up by a lot of other things long-term in subtle, quiet, slow-burning ways. i don't think anyone would disagree. but i guess since this is a thread about cocaine i was talking about cocaine, and the fact that the number of people who have died south of the border since dec '06 (28k) is in the neighborhood of the number of iraqis who have died in that same period of time (35k iirc) is kind of messed up. i would hope discussing that issue isn't considered "getting excited" or "getting aggro." it's more like, hey folks, this is yet another fucked up thing in the world we should do something about. i mean we have wars overseas that are disastrous but which may in fact still be less messed up than the effect industrialized society has on the planet in other long-term ways (buy your beachfront property in vegas now!) but we should still call bullshit on it.

i sure do hate those SUV drivers too, though.

seriously, i don't get soapboxy about much. this is pretty much it, and i get that way because
(1) most people just aren't aware of what's going on and to what degree drug violence/criminal activity affects the lives of regular people who are not involved in the drug trade at all, even tangentially
(2) if they are aware, many think the news/numbers are hyperbolic and well nothing happened to me when i studied abroad/visited mexico/latin america x years ago and good lord can't a person just have fun once in a while?
(3) the drug war has touched my life, my students' lives, my coworkers' lives, and my loved ones' lives.

i can't say the same for death bananas, even though i know they're wrong to buy and eat. this is what i get worked up about. if it seems irrational or hypocritical, that's unfortunate, but i've been inflexible about this for about 15 years and i don't see my mind changing any time soon. just like i don't see the violence abating or decriminalization happening any time soon.

i think its little weird to call the distinction between the cocaine industry and the banana industry (or the pig farming industry) "arbitrary"

went off the rails

if i get to pick my strawmen

i think its little weird to call the distinction between the cocaine industry and the banana industry (or the pig farming industry) "arbitrary"

max if the underlying principle is a purported aversion toward business without concern for the human suffering it inflicts, no, I don't think it's really that odd, but at any rate yr cherrypicking of that word from this broader context:

I agree with this, but it seems to soft-soap that unless your fruits, meats, and vegetables are entirely made by people you know personally, your hands are probably dirty, and you choose to draw a line somewhere that's somewhat arbitrary. I mean, this isn't to say "it's all hopeless, so do coke,"* but like, while the cocaine line is straight and easy to understand, and the human violence of it spectacularly horrifying, that doesn't make marginally less clear lines between the things we consume & their real human cost any less valid:

basically reduces a more complex sentiment to "you said the line was arbitrary" - but yr real keen to beef about this eh? I'm game, gotta get some breakfast here soon but anything that keeps my mind off today is good with me

then i guess i dont understand your point? it seems to me that everyone on this thread agrees: coke is bad business. other things are also bad business. but coke is bad business in an unimpeachable, direct way. right? i dont think theres a beef.

beef is bad business.

xp right but when we talk about those other things - pork's the easiest to take as an example, people talk a good line about going local but who's really running pure game? not too many - we don't demonize the product or people who use it, because bodies full of ditches are visceral and horrible, while ruining the lives of whole generations of towns who didn't ask to live in a place where they can no longer breathe the air and can't sell the houses they worked to build because who the fuck wants to live downwind from a hog lagoon, etc., doesn't photograph as well, and besides, it's food we're talking about here; so when somebody goes, hey fuck it, gotta have some bacon on this, he's pissing in the already-polluted groundwater of these towns, and siding with the people who have ruined those towns forever, but I'm guessing that sounds a li'l hysterical to you whereas "if you use cocaine, you're an asshole" is a pretty non-controversial assertion on this thread

well... were not in the pork thread, for one thing

does that make bacon = crack?

i mean im not defending the pork industry anywhere am i?

i think a lot of people are going on the assumption that this thread is called "the problems of the world" and on this thread we're arguing, "there are no problems in the world except cocaine."

mmmmm BACON

polluted groundwater with BACON

right, the point is if "if you use cocaine, you're an asshole" (a stance taken by several on this thread) is true on the grounds that the cocaine trade is a morass of cruelty and suffering, then you should probably start making a list of all the other things that people are assholes for eating/using/driving & understand that you're probably on that list, because while, again, the violence of the cocaine trade is vivid & clear, a vivid connection to suffering isn't somehow weightier because of its clarity

should we really? in this thread?

i don't really think cocaine users are "assholes" tbh, if i said so i was wrong. i just think one should be made aware of the cost of the cocaine trade. also, this thread is about cocaine.

i also don't think it's fair to suggest that i or anyone else wouldn't care deeply about other issues on threads which are not specifically about cocaine, though to be honest i probably know a little more about this than those other issues.

I mean again max you're sort of drawing out of something I said, pretending that it was my entire focus like I came in goin "why don't we talk about this!" when the question is: ethics, a question around which points of comparison are useful and elucidating way of illuminating the question at hand - and then accusing me of not focusing on the question, when the topic is "the ethics of consumer behavior," broadly - I would guess if you read the post you summarized as "arbitrary" and the posts to which it was responding, it might be clearer to you, but like I say, you seem really keen to beef about this and pretend like you didn't read the actual conversation? I guess

welcome to ilx, this is what people do

right and i am disagreeing because i think the question is "cocaine" and the topic is "cocaine," fairly narrowly

so the reason the deaths of people related to the cocaine industry are bad is not because it's wrong to murder people to advance your business...it's that it's cocaine...ok, got it

like, lets say were on a pork thread, and you say, "the pork industry is terrible, its indefensible" and someone else is like, "yeah well there are so many other things that are indefensible, its pretty arbitrary to choose pork" wouldnt you say "well this is the pork thread after all"

like again i dont think we are actually disagreeing about anything except for the topic of this thread

well it's the cocaine business in which this occurs and this is the cocaine thread. it's not that it's cocaine.

max do you know me as a guy who's all "let's keep this on topic" on issue threads

youll note that nowhere have i said that pork is good for the planet or the people who produce it, nor have i even made the claim that the pork industry is specifically better or the cocaine industry specifically worse!

cocaine with BACON

but I mean I do think the discussion of whether cocaine use is justifiable or not with regard to the production of the substance in question - that is pretty obviously a question of ethics - if the answer is "no, it's not, there's too much suffering involved" it begs other questions

i think you are totally correct but no one is necessarily disagreeing with the lack of ethics in other areas you've mentioned and i know you're passionate about many of them as well and otm in those cases.

otm, and also, it doesnt beg other questions, it raises other questions

if cocaine were legal, i have no doubt it would still be a really horrible business. it's a farm product from the tropics, it basically IS bananas or sugar, plus some factory processing, and minus a legal framework.

i would like to add that i'm not gleefully driving my suv running over pandas while munching on veal and bacon

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/710nsns.jpeg

i think it would be considerably less horrible though likely still fucked up yeah.

otm, and also, it doesnt beg other questions, it raises other questions

point taken, you have shamed me

i will always be here to make pedantic points i dont quite understand myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T8DG4jxxTM

i would like to add that i'm not gleefully driving my suv running over pandas while munching on veal and bacon

― ('_') (omar little), Friday, September 3, 2010 4:58 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

you're doing it with a heavy heart

http://cryingwhileeating.com/

http://www.drivinncryin.com/

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feeling an urge to get hella gacked up on coke and list my 200 favorite songs of the 90s

it would be a riot if as a result of this thread ppl who used to have a taste for the stuff all relapsed and started posting shit like DEFEND, WHATEVER, TRANS X LIVING ON VIDEO BEST SONG EVER, LISTEN TO THAT SHIT, I HAVE AN UNCLE IN POLITICS DON'T FUCK WITH ME

i would like to add that i'm not gleefully driving my suv running over pandas while munching on veal and bacon

What about "excitedly"?

well, in response to the "this IS the coke thread" defense, offered when people compare the evils of coke to the evils other more commonly accepted things, the discussion hasn't limited itself to cocaine and cocaine alone. it's also concerned itself w/ ethics and morality, and you can't talk about those things in a vacuum, without looking at how we actually apply our values. all i was ever objecting to was the "if you do cocaine, you're an asshole" rhetoric. cuz fine, maybe so, but if you eat processed meat or drive a car (or do any number of other things), you're just as much an asshole, maybe more.

this not by any means to condone cocaine use or to diminish the direct relationship between the casual user and the death toll, but for the sake of moral/intellectual clarity.

bump

can i?

i think institutionalized assholism (such as meat-eating) is easier to deal with whereas assholism that violates social norms, we really don't have a remedy for.

e.g. babe: pig in the city can push society against eating meat -- what kind of movie can do that for cocaine?

huh? there are 10x as many movies w/ anti-drug messages than anti-eating-pig messages

e.g. babe: pig in the city can push society against eating meat -- what kind of movie can do that for cocaine?

lol

I missed a joek didn't I

re: anti-drug movies -- they're ineffective because the people who do drugs have already decided they don't care what polite society thinks of them doing drugs.

From what I understand Americans used to have no problem eating horsemeat prior to Mr. Ed. At some point it just became a really gauche thing to do. But cocaine's already gauche now. Can you shame a cokehead into not doing coke like you can someone who loves the taste of horse?

like seriously, mad props to you forever

the old coke v horse debate

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^^^\(°_o)/^^^

i think it's important that we look at our values w/r/t consumerism and ethics and morality in all areas fwiw.

More champagne!

still lolling irl at "what kind of movie can do that for cocaine?"

alfred

http://www.jfk-online.com/jones.jpg

you can lead a horse to coke but you can't make it insufflate

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/4955723588_bee1b5454a_b.jpg

hmmmm........................................

omar, I love you

i've never clicked on this thread before. somehow it's less controversial than the "shallow/pedantic" thread.

coke is not for me. any stimulant stronger than caffeine turns me into a twitchy, teeth-grinding, heart-palpitating freak. my anxiety is bad enough already.

i'm all about the downers

why do black peoples never want to sell rock?

― gg eileen (jjjusten), Thursday, September 2, 2010 1:48 PM (Yesterday)

this got lost in the whirlwind