Regarding Momus

mind you that bird on the ladder paintin' the ceiling in Wandsworth Town that woz me guv i still ad me Charlie Georg perm from the good old seventies when Sharon and me woz OH SHARON YOU KLOOZY PSCHOOZE WHY YOU AVE TO LEAVE ME FOR THAT WALLY EH?

but Sharon could not have been my biological biographical feat young sir

as am former Navy man

Momus: A 'slave overseer' (another spy)

It also says this later on:

Ned: A rather surprised donkey.

http://www.imomus.com/morgus.jpeg

http://www.imomus.com/morgus.jpeg

vs.

http://www.thegreatcornholio.com/images/cornholio/corn4.gif

Momus:

http://www.imomus.com/morgus.jpeg

Captain Feathersword:

http://www.thewiggles.com.au/store/motifs/finals/cf.gif

Momus:

http://www.imomus.com/morgus.jpeg

Bruce Spence (Australian actor):

http://ampimages.homestead.com/files/bruce_spence_mini.gif

http://ent.tom.com/img/assets/200403/040316112305qunxing6.jpg

oddly, this is true. I mentioned Momus once on a rival internet forum, and next thing there he was.

I wonder will it work if I say Momus' name outloud?

The geezer, Momus, has almost never acknowledged my posts; I have not always acknowledged his. But on one occasion he did: on the T.S. Eliot thread, I think, when engagingly he was defending TSE - and he typed, out of the blue, a parody of TSE addressed to me, a marvellous squib about, I think, fire engines. (Or am I projecting that image on to him?) It demonstrated wit, erudition, intelligence and charm. I should be sure not to forget that post, when I think about the geezer Momus.

has anyone else ever tried and failed to meet Momus?

I WANT A MOMUS HOT WATER BOTTLE HOLDER!

Will there be a collector's set, where each month you can buy a new ilx doll? It would be like a twee version of the Franklin Mint.

Does that Momus doll have some Shinto purpose, like one of those right-on cats, the Maneki Neko? If you put one on the memorial for a dear departed one, does it insure witty ribaldry in the afterlife?

To quote Ann Magnuson -- and then alter it a bit:

"They have Momus dolls now? I WANT ONNNNNNNNNNNNE..."

maria and i are driving thru northampton mass today - we had dropped the kids off at her sister's house - and my brother calls on the cell-phone and says, hey, are you going to the iron horse tonight? he didn't know that we were driving thru northampton. and then he said, my friend so and so is opening up for momus tonight. and i said, who? and he said MOMUS. and as soon as he said that on the phone momus was walking straight toward our car in the street! so maria yelled, Hey, it's momus! and i yelled at him, hey, momus! it was the weirdest syncronistic event ever. he waved and said something and i popped my head out the car window and said, hey, momus, it's me scott seward from ilx! and he smiled and shook my hand and said i should go to the show at ten and he would put me on the guest list. isn't that nice? sadly, maria and i have way too much to do at home and at the store to go. but it was honestly nice to see him! he looked good. and i forget why he doesn't come to ilx anymore, but i miss his craziness sometimes.

again, it was very bizarre. i had no idea he was in the state today, let alone in our neck of the woods. and to have someone on the telephone yell MOMUS and have him magically appear in front of you on the street!!!! too funny...

:D that's an awesome tale! this dude quit ilx within about 3 weeks of me joining :(

passin' the torch

yeah, louis' post about japanese girl bukake was classic

Momus was challopian and slightly scary but tbh lots of interesting shit came out his stupid/insane eastcoaster brain.

i'd say he was certainly intelligent, extravagantly so, and i am always biased in favour of folk like that

tbf lj sometimes he did write, not in a way like yourself where people are hating on the style or whatever, but in a style where he professed quite insane and stupid opinions. I remember reading a post on his blog after he left ILX where he talks about some artists going to North Korea and mentions only positive things about North Korea and mentions that one of the artists was mocked for his pink suit in South Korea. Also remember him praising the 1 child rule in China as a genius of social-engineering. Real willful Pollyanna shit.

extravagantly intelligent?

There's nothing wrong with the one child policy in China. Dude prefers Japanese chicks, you see.

Esteban that wasn't even funny.

I also believe Momus was a believer in the Japanese occupation of Manchuria.

Manchukuo.

He sounds like someone who enjoys pushing logic to its limits. All fine on a rhetorical or theoretical level; if he actually lived some of his reality-smashing fantasies then I'd mark him down as a troubled man at odds with society.

Something to be said for the process by which ILX bashes ostentatiously bad style out of you

Another thing I remember reading about him that annoyed: a blog about "staying foreign". He believed that by not integrating where you lived you aware actually showing more respect than the imperialist who would learn the language and attempt to mingle among the adopted country. It reads as willful ignorance and an excuse for never having learned Japanese and possible German (he lived in Berlin at the time of the blog).

To be honest reading the ILX archives will give you all the evidence against the man you might want to find, and these might just examples I'm garnishing you with in order to more condemn an effete Scottish artist (because I hate his type).

i used aware instead of were somewhere up there!

also a missing be.

Monsieur Artois is a harsh typemaster.

Yeah, well, if Momus concentrated a bit more on music and less on this moral and cultural and existentialist nonsense, then maybe he could have recorded something half as good as "Kiss This Thing Goodbye".

He probably still thinks I'm too earnest. Ah well. That's a great story from Scott, anyway!

Momus always played, to me at least, like the average American's cartoonish vision of what the avant garde European artist/intellectual is like.

And while we're talking about controversial Momus opinions: the fall of Communism as an ideology was unfortunate - and why? - because it represented one less option on the table. This is so silly because that could be said about every fallen ideology, from Nazism to theocracy.

But his tone is always too playfully decadent to take what he says at face value, anyway.

That's a GREAT story, Scott!!

momus always annoyed the lamers

^^ this

anyone who, on the morning of 9/11/01, thought it would be a good idea to take a picture of himself with the burning world trade center in the background is a shit

http://www.dragcity.com/catalog/records/dc222.jpg

Pic now?

Momus is someone I actually miss.

He talked me out of suicide once, without even realising that he had done so. (Whether my continued existence on the face of this planet is a good thing or not is up to you.)

He had his troll-like tendencies, but in the best possible way. He's one of those people who says outrageous things in order to force one to confront one's own prejudices and one's own thought patterns and beliefs. There was a great deal of playfulness to him which was lacking in other ILX "characters."

I know that he infuriated and frustrated a lot of people (myself included, before I actually met him) - but like many internet personalities, he was kind of a litmus test. One's reaction to him said as much about the reactor as it ever did about him. But hey, I come from a long line of effete Scottish intellectuals, so I have a fairly high tolerance for that sort of thing.

I've even come around to his music. "The Homosexual" is one of the greatest songs ever recorded about the male ego and its discontents.

Click Opera, the short version:

http://twitter.com/Twit_Opera

sub-buttez at best

momus always annoyed the lamers

― velko, Sunday, 24 May 2009 04:33 (3 hours ago)

!!!! Yes!

I miss the guy, I've got to admit.

last week a friend i'd gone to college in japan with emailed me a link to a post on clickopera - the 'i hate japan' april fools one from yearssss back (i do not think they noticed, that it was an april fool)

and so i wrote 'oh momuspaws' and hit send

and then thought: wait.

This as the most otm thing ever posted about Momus...That said, I like reading his blog ...I just wish I liked his music more

If Momus wasn't sexually attracted to Japanese girls two decades younger than him, I doubt if he'd have bothered to work up his latter-day orientalist theorising. If it had been, say, black Americans he was into, no doubt we'd have been bombarded with posts about white American protestant work ethic vs the exotic Other of African American culture bla bla bla.
― Iggy Fop, Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:17 PM (4 years ago)

Yeah but that's every white dude with an asian girl fetish that didn't study IT.

Wait, you mean Momus wrote about things that mattered to him? omg etc

xpost

Have said it before and will say it again: everyone gets the Momus they deserve.

i'm almost sort of impressed dude has managed to blag living like a really "wacky" self-regarding art-foundation course fresher for the last 30-odd years without starving/being beaten to death.

Unfortunately, Wendy Carlos couldn't quite manage to cut his balls off. Which was a surprising turn of events.

The three O records he made in Berlin ("Oskar Tennis Champion", "Otto Spooky", "Ocky Milk") are pretty damn weird and beautiful because of that. He has a real talent for taking found sound/concrete audio collages and arranging them under a nice classically pleasing melody. First time I heard "The Artist Overwhelmed" I was awestruck.

If his old records are like "A Clockwork Orange" his new ones are like the end of "2001".

I'll stan for this record anytime.
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/03fb57ee6e40d8df0531d59e88d7dfe7/8201.jpg

He's one of those people who says outrageous things in order to force one to confront one's own prejudices and one's own thought patterns and beliefs.

Sadly, many of those who are good at this trick get stuck in a holding pattern, because they stop at the point of discovering the errors of other people's ways and do not continue on to construct a coherent set of ideas and values that are any better than those they spend their lives challenging. As a result, they are totally lacking in humility, when humility is precisely what they need most.

Wait, you mean Momus wrote about things that mattered to him? omg etc

theorizing a sexual fetish might matter to you, but it's also stupid. luv the etc btw

It just seems like a strange criticism. Should he be writing about things he has no experience with? I disagree with a lot of things Momus says but I like that he says them. Even when he's wrong wrong wrong it's like Oliver Wendell Holmes said about friends with strong opinions, they're like rough tree bark you can scratch yourself against.

Sadly, many of those who are good at this trick get stuck in a holding pattern, because they stop at the point of discovering the errors of other people's ways and do not continue on to construct a coherent set of ideas and values that are any better than those they spend their lives challenging. As a result, they are totally lacking in humility, when humility is precisely what they need most.

― Aimless, Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:34 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

But sometimes the point is precisely to make people think about, to challenge the validity of "A" rather than to make a case for an alternative "B", which will inevitably have it's own flaws and contradictions.

I agree with Masonic Boom, Momus may be nothing more than a troll, but at least he's an intelligent and charming one.

More lurker than troll these days. This very thread gets a mention on his blog.

Posting merely to report that I misread this thread title as "Regarding Moms"

Even when he's wrong wrong wrong it's like Oliver Wendell Holmes said about friends with strong opinions, they're like rough tree bark you can scratch yourself against.

What is this quote? I like the sentiment, but can't track it down.

It's in his short book, "The Poet at the Breakfast Table"

He does a good deal of the talking at our table, and, to tell the truth, I rather like to hear him. He stirs me up, and finds me occupation in various ways, and especially, because he has good solid prejudices, that one can rub against, and so get up and let off a superficial intellectual irritation, just as the cattle rub their backs against a rail (you remember Sydney Smith's contrivance in his pasture) or their sides against an apple-tree (I don't know why they take to these so particularly, but you will often find the trunk of an apple-tree as brown and smooth as an old saddle at the height of a cow's ribs).

That's actually as good a description of a "benevolent troll" as I've ever read

Awesome. thanks.

What are you people doing trying to be a Captain Save-A-Mo(mus)?

What are you doing giving a shit?

oh come on this guy is a cunt you numbfucks

didn't want to say

oh man my prejudices are being so shaken by how much of a sleazy shitbag this guy is!!!

Ibid.

is it wrong to wish that with all his intelligence and sensitivity momus would try to think or at least communicate in less programmatic and essentializing and oversimplifying and ungenerous ways? his MO always seemed to be to place things in categories and then argue up a storm trying not to refine those categories but to rationalize them in ever more tortured ways. frustrating.

maybe it's just because i'm so far away from college radio now (going on a decade) but does his music just seem amazingly irrelevant, even more than before? i mean i sort of get pangs of sympathy when i read about him playing to disappointingly small audiences. i hope he has a little nest egg for the next few decades.

he's pretty easy to avoid, folks!

He was great. Miss that dude.

he didn't use to be! although i enjoyed sparring with him. sometimes.

he's pretty easy to avoid, folks!

unless you're an asian girl!!

maybe momus will get shot in a liquor store robbery and re-emerge as a simple, caring ilxor who starts posting on all the surmounter and bimble threads

I really don't get the Momus hate around here. A "cunt"? Really? Based on what?

Maybe based on his wearing an eyepatch? But man if losing an eye doesn't entitle you to wear an eyepatch, then this is truly some harsh crowd!

lol omar i was gonna request a photoshop of that poster because everytime i see this thread i am reminded of that awful movie

read thread title as "Rereading Momus", revision style

i haven't posted here long enough to have a lasting impression of Momus as a poster, let alone a positive impression. If anything, he came across as a blowhard -- but there are plenty of ilxors who share that distinction.

yeah but they don't do it for a living

holy shit at the number of threads with "momus" in the title

always thought this guy was a contrarian jerk

I recall him remarking on the lack of cheese shops in Brooklyn?

Momus and the Jews

^^lots of quality nonsense here

So sue him for not going to Park Slope ever? xpost

I think it's pretty generous to serve as a strawman for five years to a bunch of underachievers dissembling their own sexism and racism by going lol dude likes Japanese girls. I'm sure working on a handful of columns, two books, various art projects, LPs and a blog is much more satisfying than having to wade through douchey, reductive challenges just to have a decent exchange of opinions with the couple of dozen people he actually respects here.

Can I sidetrack the thread to ask who was the sadistic asshat who came up with the idea of the hairshirt?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:50 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

same guy who invented the sadistic asshat

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:57 AM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

respect

MomoM vs. suMus : fite!

http://i44.tinypic.com/167ms7c.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/ll6dz.jpg

(um sorry, carry on)

zomg how can I get hired to be a blowhard for a living?

otoh not sure I'd meet the job reqs.

I liked Momus and always wished I cld live his life, which looks pretty fun!

I think it's pretty generous to serve as a strawman for five years to a bunch of underachievers dissembling their own sexism and racism by going lol dude likes Japanese girls. I'm sure working on a handful of columns, two books, various art projects, LPs and a blog is much more satisfying than having to wade through douchey, reductive challenges just to have a decent exchange of opinions with the couple of dozen people he actually respects here.

wow, the "you're just jealous" retort. didn't think people actually did that anymore.

xpost: zomg how can I get hired to be a blowhard for a living?

otoh not sure I'd meet the job reqs.

blow. hard!

he's like an effete candyman!

― Wyndham Earl

http://www.mr-c.me.uk/BlogImgs/candyman.jpg

????????????

you dumb motherfuckers can type and post as much as you want but I doubt you'll ever post anything as beautiful as this:

I'll tell you a funny story. I went to dinner in Japan at the house of a famous TV comedian, Suidobashi Hakase. He's a protege of Takeshi Kitano. It was quite a gathering, with legendary author and tattooed hardman Ishmaru Gensho also present. We tucked into sushi prepared by Hakase's bald manservant.
Hakase had just published a book in which all his friends narrated their early experiences with masturbation. Kitano and Gensho had whole chapters to themselves. In the middle of supper, my girlfriend announced that I was fond of gansha, a more modestly-scaled and intimate version of bukkake. I blushed, but Hakase and Gensho seemed delighted that I had taken the trouble to learn Japanese customs, and from that moment on I felt like they'd accepted me into their club.

Hakase later married Chie, one of the two girls with whom I was living at the time. She had first introduced herself to him with a playful photo of herself dribbling condensed milk from her mouth. Apparently this is quite a common method of flirtation -- a lover I had in Japan that same year produced, on our first date in a cafe in Nakameguro, a portfolio of photos of herself, one of which featured herself in an open white National Standard zip top, with some white substance trickling down her chin onto her breasts.

i don't know how the volume of his output (including WOW a BLOG) excuses some of the stuff he says that's actually pretty offensive (particularly to women, probably to others that i can't remember). he just gets away with it because he acts like he's just being "challenging" and he's artist and he wears skirts.

he also has contempt for the working class imo which fits in well with the m.o. of others around here maybe

It seems to me that bitchery and bastardy are mutually-reinforcing and contextual. Not only do we get the partners we deserve -- and in a sense create the partners we deserve -- but exactly the same person can be a beau one minute, a bastard the next. Only the perceptions -- and therefore the words -- change. I've lived just such transitions. They can be tragic, life-changing. I once -- suddenly, out of the blue -- smacked a girl in the face, a girl I adored, a girl I'd never shared a single discordant moment with up until that moment. I immediately knew that she would hate me forever from that moment on. "You're going to hate me forever now," I said. "I'm not," she said. But she did. And in the terrible, soul-destroying split that followed, she transformed from angel to bitch, and I turned from beau to bastard. But the funny thing is, neither of us really changed one iota.

to be fair, anyone who thinks this paragraph is the work of a cunt is definitely just sexist and or jealous of the guy's media connections

"beautiful"

gtfo

to be fair, anyone who thinks this paragraph is the work of a cunt

its the work of an asshole who hits women

he's just a poor man's brian eno, isn't he?

more like a scottish jackson browne

i don't know how the volume of his output (including WOW a BLOG) excuses some of the stuff he says that's actually pretty offensive (particularly to women, probably to others that i can't remember). he just gets away with it because he acts like he's just being "challenging" and he's artist and he wears skirts.

― harbl, Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:20 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

This is exactly what I was asking about (my question upthread was a genuine question). I've never read anything he's written that I consider offensive. Does anyone have any specific examples?

its the work of an asshole who hits women

Which is exactly what he's saying in that paragraph.

that paragraph is really not saying anything interesting

surprise, an asshole who acknowledges being an asshole is still an asshole

not "interesting" - never smacking a girl across the face
"interesting" - smacking a girl across the face and then recontextualizing it into your own soul-shattering event in which the girl herself is a bitch and you're in pain to this day

it's a shame the other girl was such a bitch about getting hit in the face though

xp

it reads like, 'i can't believe you hit me!' followed by, 'i'm sorry, i can't believe it either. i guess we're both assholes huh...'

apparently immediately forgiving his abuse = not "angelic" enough

guys, he was challenging her, the lucky bitch

but "bitch" is just a term, fluid in its interpretations and applications depending on the circumstances of the individuals involved blah blah blah

seriously fuck this guy I'm glad he's gone

apparently immediately forgiving his abuse = not "angelic" enough

― Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:41 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

But she DIDN'T. And it seems to me he's implying she had every right to be a bitch.

"i knew glenn ford, glenn ford was a friend of mine....."
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/jamawalk2/Slapped-by-Glenn-Ford-640.jpg

bastard and bitch in his writing there are equal, when in essence he was a bastard because he hit her and she was a bitch because she was angry about getting hit. not to mention that "bastard" is a kind of roguish term in some respects and "bitch" is more demeaning.

I disagreed with Momus about pretty much everything & his contempt for the working class (however else he & his pals care to characterize it, that's how it parsed to me & many others) was really super-icky, but I enjoyed batting ideas around with him, and he really was more provocateur than troll. I know Suzy is too close to him to not protect him when people call him sexist (which I think he is, however nice he may be to the women who are his friends) or racist (which is a serious allegation, and one which I don't think fits him, exactly, but white guys arguing for "post-racial" politics are always gonna be a bit ripe & the white guys who refuse to cop to that need a good "shaddup, you" on the regular), and to be honest when she gets all "come at Momus and I will fucking cut you" like she does it makes me think "man if you got Suzy in your corner you don't need to worry" which, like, a solid friend in this world is a beautiful thing but I mean...there's a limit to how much you can defend a person's ideas when they count as a close personal friend, isn't there?

so on balance I miss having him around and always feel guilty that he's not here because I remember when everybody except him had figured out that I was posting under a pseud, and as a narcissist I always assumed that sort of "MOMUS YOU DUMMY THAT'S J0HN D." bit was part of what drove him off, the end.

the jews had every right to be such bitches about that holocaust thing

wow, the "you're just jealous" retort. didn't think people actually did that anymore.

you should read more suzy posts.

late folk legend john denver

I will post until the grave learns how to stop me

What movie is that picture from? Is it a good movie to watch or was that still the best part?

The movie is Candyman and it is considered highly by many.

Erin Gray Slapped by Glenn Ford!

I saw Harpo Marx ram Oprah W. aside!

Candyman is a beautiful and heartbreaking movie.

I don't recall any of Momus' anti-working class screeds - anyone got any examples?

Momus has an igloo. None of YOU people have an igloo.

hence the jealousy

this stuff is hard to search for but this one is cute to me since i have a degree in a "technical thing" and he doesn't

I was in a video store today and saw a brief clip from a new film onscreen. It was Jody Foster in a plane. There was some kind of emergency, and she was responding by doing amazingly technical things, opening fuseboxes, making the oxygen masks fall down, demonstrating great technical prowess. And it struck me that while this was in some ways a "feminist" scene, showing women as bright and empowered, it was also a sort of misogyny. Because it showed a woman doing things that, in real life, women tend to be worse at than men. Technical things. It was a lie, a lie about women. It said "Women are as good at technical stuff as men. This is where their power lies. In out-manning men."

...uh...

that's pretty inexcusable

i wonder what momus would do if there was an emergency while he was jet-setting about the world

Hopefully there wouldn't be any lying women!

blog for the ingrates

ugh

Oh Momuspaws.

i wonder what momus would do if there was an emergency while he was jet-setting about the world

masturbate furiously, I imagine

Maybe what he's trying to say is 'movies that espouse outdated feminism in that women can only be fulfilled by excelling at traditionally male roles are actually misogynistic'?

But when I read it again, it really reads more like 'haw haw, girlz suck at electroniks'

n real life, women tend to be worse at than men. Technical things.

look, there's no way to defend this. it's grade-A bullshit, not supported by science or logic.

Because it showed a woman doing things that, in real life, women tend to be worse at than men. Technical things. It was a lie, a lie about women. It said "Women are as good at technical stuff as men. This is where their power lies. In out-manning men."

the thing about this quote is-- i got annoyed at Momus, when he was here, because he would say things like this, things which are at least empirically untrue about me and the women I know (or me and the [class of people i belong to] i know), and it upset me quite a lot, because I realised that for the purposes of his arguments I was not a woman. So I could never appropriately deal with the bit where he said something useful, or interesting (there is something in there, about the acceptable face of female success in the movies, the woman who is too-strong), because I'd been so successfully trolled into outraged silence.

It may not be supported by science or logic or historical fact but it sort of hangs together if you think of Momus' definition of "women" (at least while arguing/grandstanding) not being "people who consider themselves women" - it's more like "people who conform to certain standards of femininity". The standards just happen to be his ones. being good at technical stuff = male, being gentle of speech = female, etc.

well it is like he read some stuff about "difference feminism" and decided to misinterpret all of it so where it used to say "we shouldn't devalue so-called 'womanly' traits" now it says "it's better to accept that women just can't do certain things because that's how they are," which is just ugh, thanks for your "help" man

xp

that one sort of wraps up his essentialist problem and his people who actually have jobs that require knowledge of how to do things problem tidily in one amusing graf

"Yeah, but she's Jody Foster."

babes on a plane

Clarise has to fool Hannibal into giving her the secret identity of the technical things, while the whole time she is stuck in a room reinforced by thick steel walls. Fortunately an eccentric taxi driver befriends her and in the end she realizes life at Candleshoe isn't so bad after all...

duh, momus, jodie foster is a lesbian of course she's good at guy things

That movie where she goes around Bernie Goetzing everyone is so morally repellent, it's probably misogynistic somehow. It'd be entertaining to read Momus explain just how it is so.

well it is like he read some stuff about "difference feminism" and decided to misinterpret all of it so where it used to say "we shouldn't devalue so-called 'womanly' traits" now it says "it's better to accept that women just can't do certain things because that's how they are," which is just ugh, thanks for your "help" man

― harbl, Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:30 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think i missed most of momus, but this was my limited impression.

If only he'd have just talked about furniture all the time, that would have kicked ass.

One thing Momus has always insisted on is that the members of social categories - men, women, black people, white people, etc. - are actually different from one another, and that those differences are produced by tradition and expectation. It's a kind of anti-humanism. And I think there's something valuable in thinking through that. But too often he seems not to admit the fluidity that's there too, the mobility within and across those categories, which is kind of odd for a self-professed bisexual who wears skirts.

it's more like "people who conform to certain standards of femininity". The standards just happen to be his ones.

lolz how convenient for him

Like, maybe his face-slap was more Barbara Stanwyck than Cary Grant?

too often he seems not to admit the fluidity that's there too, the mobility within and across those categories, which is kind of odd for a self-professed bisexual who wears skirts

yeah, I still remember the time when he was talking about Japanese people having a differing "operating system" that he was fond of, and we all had to go "that's interesting because you're SCOTTISH, so maybe people can be a bit more cross-platform than you're suggesting"

NB I was totally thinking of him the other day, due to seeing his cousin doing some kind of studio session on TV -- I watched several minutes of music I did not particularly enjoy just to consider whether there was any resemblance or not

he's misogynist but he's thought it through so it's cool

He's not a misogynist. He thinks most women are better at certain things than most men, and worse at other things, and that those realities are produced by social convention. I don't think it's a particularly productive point to make, or even that interesting, but he does - I think he likens these differences to folk traditions, or folk art, or something.

Gah I can't believe I'm talking about this.

dude

dude

bitch

None of us at ILX are good enough to eat Momus's brain. Truth.

hes very good at saying stupid things in ways that seem interesting at first, unless you think about them.

You may not like Momus, but never forget the sacrifices he made for you:

I wasted five years debating people on a bulletinboard I've now left, when, really, if I'd just looked at them, their faces and their bodies, I would have concluded "these people have the negativity they do because they can't get laid. I'm wasting my time trying to change they way they think with reasoned argument".

dude had a somethingawful account too??

DISCLAIMER: did not say 'you're just jealous' but if that's your take-away from my earlier post, whatever. I'm not responsible for your emotions.

you just can't help yourself, can you?

"these people have the negativity they do because they can't get laid. I'm wasting my time trying to change they way they think with reasoned argument".

Hahaha. Momus! AFAICT people round here are gettin laid plenty. Though I'll give him "reasoned argument" since he didn't specify well/poorly/sincerely...

I guess I'm only assuming he means ILX there but whatever...

It is kind of beautiful how we all have a different one thing that really bugs us about Momus rhetoric! I guess he'd regard that as proof of a great many-splendoured victory over our simplistic thought processes or something.

Me? Oh, see the John Peel thread where he rails at Peel for, in addition to championing obscure arty music for decades, hosting a radio show reading letters about his listeners' lives, because NORMAL PEOPLE are not ARTISTS and are therefore ENEMIES OF ART, and championing their humdrum universes for an hour a week when you could be talking about ARTISTS is, like, symptomatic of the Great British Conspiracy against creative people, which in Momusworld does not include any of us or anybody who has ever had a job instead of Japanese girlfriends who put them up for free.

But I do miss the guy, as he did start some interesting debates in between clinging on to them to the point that they'd stopped being interesting and become infuriating.

momus = the college dorm philosopher "sophistry 101"/entertaining or even illuminating in small doses I guess but wearying after awhile

Is chaki getting laid more now?

I really miss the regular threads Momus would say something and Mark S and J0hn D would then run intellectual rings round him for ages.

I'm not sure whether I think his acknowledging and theorising of his inherent sexism is better or worse than the many posters who are misogynistic without acknowledging it, or even realising it. I think it's probably worse. And I'm not even going to get into the stupidity and extremely dubious racial shit behind the mindset that equates 'fancying Japanese girls' with 'fetishes'.

Music folks! How do you react on seeing your work in a sale?

The thread where Momus 'discovers' J0hnD's alias..

the most mystifying Momus behaviour imo was his "birthday Grinch" phase

Lookup the word 'contrarian'

not really finding any evidence here to disprove what either nick or suzy have already said

I think I just care much, much less about the personal worthiness or not of the people who type the words that end up on these pages. No doubt for the actual friends and family and acquaintances of all of us, personal worthiness is a concern. But not for me. What I respond to here is what's written - it's all an abstraction - and Momus was fun and engaging to talk to. I think he at least attempted - and often failed spectacularly - to be intellectually honest in his discussions, by which I mean the practice of assuming the strongest possible formulation of your opponent's position and then arguing against THAT. Most of what's on this thread has been kind of the opposite of that, and TBH when I think about what disappoints me about ILX this is #1

And I'm not even going to get into the stupidity and extremely dubious racial shit behind the mindset that equates 'fancying Japanese girls' with 'fetishes'.

this was a great thread all in itself

well yeah tracer if you're specifically coming from a position of not being bothered whether or not people hit women in the face and then criticise them for not liking it, I can see how you'd think Momus was OK

Thanks for proving my point.

Or rather, being an example of my point.

people hit women in the face and then criticise them for not liking it,

this is a total warping of the thing you quoted upthread, which went more like:
1. i hit a girl i was going out with in the face and in that second i knew i had crossed a line and she would hate me forever
2. ok she said she wasn't going to hate me but it was pretty obvious that she would
3. the time i hit her was the catalyst for a breakup in which the two of us were not a beau and a beloved but a bastard and a bitch
4. isn't it strange, how some of the closest people change

(xpost0

It's like L'Etranger only with more punching women in the face.

sorry if I was intellectually dishonest, I just find people's willingness to gloss over this kind of irritating and symptomatic of the weird free pass people seem to give this guy just for being a bit interesting

my feeling is that Momus' own account of the above is probably uh a little self-serving but I probably shouldn't prolong this argument

the weird free pass people seem to give this guy just for being a bit interesting

how is Dom btw?

karaoke obsessed, last I saw

Don't recall ever giving Dom a free pass, but hey, at least he only made jokes about hitting women, right?

I think he at least attempted - and often failed spectacularly - to be intellectually honest in his discussions

Like in Big Brother when someone's a complete cunt but still somehow gets kudos for at least being themselves and keeping it real

Can I just posit a theory that the hitting never happened?

That he had some sort of urge to do it, thinking about it and what the reaction of both people might be?

^^ pretty much what happened to peter sutcliffe.

I never took much notice of the geezer (Momus that is, not Sutcliffe), maybe he was just on different threads than me and maybe he'd done all his most irritating work before I showed up

xpost maybe, but without actually doing it?

I'll at least give Momus that it takes a very peculiar sort of asshat to be this controversial this long after leaving the board.

Oh there's few others who could manage that too

the weird free pass

I just don't consider it my job to be handing out or witholding passes on a messageboard.

I mean, if I had to sit up and take notice and give the cold shoulder to everyone here who seems like they'd be a bit creepy in their private lives then uh...

yeah tbh a large part of this is to do with me having heard the other party's account of the above; probably not really fair for me to get into arguments with people who are just going by the guy's annoying internet posts

Have yall heard "the Vaudevillian" off his Joemus record? It's fucking awesome!

momus was before my time here but one of the coolest old threads i've ever read was this one: Momus, judges

And I'm not even going to get into the stupidity and extremely dubious racial shit behind the mindset that equates 'fancying Japanese girls' with 'fetishes'.

this was a great thread all in itself

― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:08 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i remember this but can't remember what it was called. link?

its just a movie dum dum

"i'm not a bitch, i'm just honest"

I don't recall any of Momus' anti-working class screeds - anyone got any examples?

― Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:59 PM (Yesterday)

does anyone? i'm bored

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/imomus/ironhorse2.jpg

"birthday Grinch"

I want to know what this is bcz it sounds awesome.

The Birthday Grinch

The Carrey grinch was his grinch image of choice :O

he was a bit of a prick on the syd barrett RIP thread and I can't believe his post about what he enjoys doing with japanese women hasn't reappeared here it was hall of fame o_O

but he did defend metal box and the flowers of romance to the end so he wasn't all bad

Wait, you mean something other than the gansha one upthread?

yeah, defending a canonical rock record does kinda redeem all the other shit.

xp

what can I say he was an edgy dude

If you go to the ICA in London, you notice that Japanese girls sometimes seem to be the only people there. I am, in human form, the ICA. I am sustained, like that venerable London arts institution, by the patronage and kindness of these hyper- cultuivated people. I also enjoy fucking them.

-- Momus, Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:00 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

People actually enjoy getting outraged by Momus' steez, don't they?

proof of a true artist

Sege Gainsbourg

I'm not sure whether I think his acknowledging and theorising of his inherent sexism is better or worse than the many posters who are misogynistic without acknowledging it, or even realising it. I think it's probably worse. [...]

― Tits Bramble (Matt DC), Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:13 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

earns u a sarcastic slowburner gif!

(xpost and I was so careful about spelling Gainsbourg right!)

People actually enjoy getting outraged by Momus' steez, don't they?

― f1f0 (Pashmina), Friday, May 29, 2009 3:12 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

c'mon on, now you're just asking for the nude photos

with helpful arrows to point out momus' steez

http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-08-25/books/lit-seen-momus-joe-pernice-and-nick-cave-trade-guitar-picks-for-pens/

Momiss?

when that marie calloway shit went down i was sort of relieved that momus that dude's like 55 and was still mentioned as having gotten sucked off by her or something. forget the details. do your thing dawg.

wait what

Calloway " I wanna be rich" C/D ???????????

no, bipolar livejournal author marie calloway

a delicate flower trod underfoot by the opprsive male hairy sag??

i never really got the ilx-hating on momus. and i say that as someone who is largely ignorant of his music, etc output

tracer way otm in this thread and also suzy

I think it was love/hate

scott's '09 thread revive story is so good, though. instant momus gonna getchoo

ne'r shall we soon forget
the geoduck that met us yet
when nude he photographed his parts
and shared them with the bloggin arts

xposts def "love to hate" at least. ilx needs more "bad boys" or else it will die the way hair metal did in the nineties and posts will only be revived at strip mall venues in suburban va and downstate ny

http://sunskier.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/geoduck3.jpg

threads that is. late-period ilx. coming soon to an internet cafe in east fishkill

just flagged your post. why? image bombing before five on a weekday. have fun in ilx heaven