2006 American Midterm Elections

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Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

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Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha nice starting post

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

hey kingfish, do you think the Republicans will maintain control of both houses?

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

It's starting to look like Chaffe will live to fight another day in RI:

Election Results Last Updated: 9/12/2006 10:20pm

US Senate
Republican
78% of 515 Reporting
LINCOLN CHAFEE 26,307 54%
STEPHEN LAFFEY 22,719 46%

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

RedState cries into its collective beer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

Crying with relief? I actually voted in the primary for Laffey because he wouldn't stand a chance against Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse.

Normally I frown on such Machiavellian machinations but I'm pretty fucking sick of Republican control of Congress.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

hey kingfish, do you think the Republicans will maintain control of both houses?

christ i hope so, and i think that the sentiment is out there, but i think that they're gunna pull so much shit that they might retain one, or pull some denny hastert bullshit and try to jam up the works with nominees, fucked vote counts, and other sundry. Hell, 300,000 missing votes in ohio? that's just the start. Fuck, man, we're dealing with extremely authoritarian folks here; as Thom Hartmann says repeatedly, they ain't necessarily greedy and they ain't evil. They're True Believers and they seriously immerse themselves in idealogy.

but yeah, it's like the 2004 campaign never ended.

and it's going to be interested to see what actually has to happen to make people give a fuck. Did the drowning of an entire city do it? did that neighbor kid down the road dying over there do it? i don't know.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

NO LAFFEY TAFFEY JOKES THIS ELECTION!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

Crying with relief?

Read the comments, it's an interesting mix of 'practicality' and anguish.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

ARE THE NOIZE-BOARDERS STILL REGISTERED TO VOTE IN RHODE ISLAND -- AND IF SO, DID THEY VOTE LAFFEY-TAFFEY?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

Read the comments, it's an interesting mix of 'practicality' and anguish.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), September 12th, 2006.

Just like me voting for Laffey! Welcome to RI politics, where our Republican senator is pro-choice and our Democratic congressman is pro-life.

My wife voted for Chaffee, she couldn't bring herself to punish him for the sins of the Republicans. Chaffee's a terrible communicator, he's like Forrest Gump fresh out of an Intro to Public Speaking course. To his credit, he has a distinguished record of standing up to our bullying, vindictive president. That counts for something in my book - unfortunately not as much as the looming possibility of another Republican congress.

A Chafee / Whitehouse runoff is a fairly even match. RI is heavily Democrat, one of the bluest states in New England, but the Chaffee name carries a lot of political capital here. The RNC is going to pour cash into his campaign since he's got a fighting chance. Plus, some Democrats seem to have difficulty looking at this race strategically, ie a chance to regain control of Congress. Worrying.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

it's going to be interested to see what actually has to happen to make people give a fuck. Did the drowning of an entire city do it? did that neighbor kid down the road dying over there do it? i don't know

People do not give even one fuck.

It's very hard not to be cynical about the whole thing.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

It's a slow motion crash I'd feel sanguine about except for all the bodies.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

"hey kingfish, do you think the Republicans will maintain control of both houses?

christ i hope so,"

I assume this is a typo.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

The RNC is going to pour cash into his campaign since he's got a fighting chance.

already did, didn't they? i thought they dumped a shit loada resources in just to make sure he won, which has the nice double effect of making sure the better target isn't nominated, and lets Chafee know who's writing the checks.


xpost

I assume this is a typo.

yeah, i originally read that as "lose," and that I hope ta god that they get pushed the fuck out

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Actually I wouldn't mind if the majorities were reduced to razor-thin margins. Still leaves all those clowns in the hot seat but unable to do fuck all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I don't know... I kind of dream about an opposition party having power to actually investigate some of the bullshit that has gone on for the past several years.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

my hunch is a year from now the gop still controls both houses

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

also, as more and more people are talking about, the increase in cynicism is deliberately what they want. one ain't gunna get involved if one thinks they're all crooks or that no effort to change american public life will work, and so the entrenched fuckheads retain power.

Actually I wouldn't mind if the majorities were reduced to razor-thin margins.

except that it still keeps them at the controls, able to block votes from getting to the floor, etc. the same shit is going on in my own state, in my limited understanding, in the Oregon State House(repub-controlled, so important shit doesn't make it thru).

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

don's kinda right about not giving a fuck - the majority may be turning against the war, but largely in principle and perhaps due to feelings of being misled...? It seems to me the lack of personal sacrifice for this war on behalf of the majority of Americans means that their position on the is not motivated by self-interest or any immediate relation to it - they just aren't affected by it. Its something going on "over there" that they hear about on TV and the internet, it doesn't really have any impact.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

my totally based on nothing guess is that the dems pick up some seats in both but don't get majorities in either. bush will claim some kind of vindication/validation, which the press will buy for a few weeks, until polls keep showing no change, and we'll pretty quickly revert to about where we are now except with it even harder for anybody to do anything. there'll be backlash against howard dean for failing to capitalize, a lot of second-guessing about the dems not spending enough to get out the vote, etc. and then in january, the 2008 election season begins.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

it might be very hard not to be cynical, but it isn't very hard to do something other than throwing up your hands.

also, the public hasn't turned against the war. it just figured out that we're losing.

I really have no idea what's going to happen in November. I don't anticipate a Dem majority in either chamber, but it's definitely possible to win both.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

it just figured out that we're losing.

or, I should say, that we're not going to "win".

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

well okay, but that's largely just a semantic difference based on the specific wording of polling questions. the general tide seems to be that a) majority don't see any point to the war, b) its becoming clear there's no "winning" it, and by an extension of those two, c) "let's please wrap this up as quickly as possible/get out k thx bye"

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

don's kinda right about not giving a fuck

i just think it's that particular american mix of cynicism, insularity, overwork, and ignorance, same as what usually kills civil life

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

I don't anticipate a Dem majority in either chamber, but it's definitely possible to win both.

Pretty much my sentiment. I don't have a lot of faith that the Dem party leadership is going to pull together with a strong message and agenda. Even if they do, it takes time to set into the general public consciousness. We still don't have the overall infrastructure for a return to electoral dominance and effective governance. I think it will be a few more years in the wilderness for the Dems. Any Democratic gains will come from Republican corruption and incompetence, not because people understand the different ideologies and philosophies of governance.

I think if we win the house, we will lose it again in 2008, barring any major changes.

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I think the Republicans will maintain control and haven't doubted it at all. I think it's better for Democrats if they do, particularly for the reason that Ned noted. It's much better if the Democratic party can either reform itself or reinvent itself on a national stage with the benefit of a beauty pageant instead of having Reid/Pelosi/Dean crusade on the anti-Bush platform.

I'm not throwing up my own hands with cynicism about the process, but I'm completely cynical (or at least, somewhat hopeless) about the usual group of people who will not participate in the process. And given the choice, I'd much rather people get politically/socially involved on a municipal level than worry to death about which state judge they are voting for. But some people, as kingfish notes, simply don't have any idea what civil life is all about.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Start here:

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Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

A good start, now let's reinstitute and fund mandatory civics courses for all public, private, & parochial high schools across the land.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'd much rather people vote at the Federal level than get involved making themselves feel good at the municipal level like Karl Rove wants them to.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'd much rather people vote at the Federal level than get involved making themselves feel good at the municipal level like Karl Rove wants them to.
-- gabbneb (gabbne...), September 13th, 2006 2:59 PM. (gabbneb) (link)

?????????!?!

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

the nation state is dead, quit trying to fuck the corpse.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

But the corpse was dressing sexy and clearly wanted it!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

T/S: Fresh corpses vs rotting corpses?

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

America = ghost ship of state

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

can't be dead yet, we haven't even started our Foundation yet

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Brain dead? Schaivo managed to inspire a lot of vitriol without being conscious. Sounds familiar. Of course, nobody said she was being belligerent.

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

The RNC is going to pour cash into his campaign since he's got a fighting chance.

already did, didn't they? i thought they dumped a shit loada resources in just to make sure he won, which has the nice double effect of making sure the better target isn't nominated, and lets Chafee know who's writing the checks.

I was thinking more from the perspective that if Laffey won, the RNC was planning to pull their support, call the race a lost cause, and spend the money elsewhere.

But yeah, I've been getting glossy mail pieces from Chaffee every other day for the last month.

Actually I wouldn't mind if the majorities were reduced to razor-thin margins.

except that it still keeps them at the controls, able to block votes from getting to the floor, etc.

This is my concern exactly - majority party has a lot of say in how things are run, what gets done, priority setting. They're the committee chairs, possess the speaker position, etc. Bush is a bit of a lame duck at this point but anything that can be done to minimize his power further is valuable.

The Republicans have redistricted to ensure they will hold onto power of the congress. That's why opportunities to do end-runs around them are so important (e.g. sending Laffey off to certain defeat against Whitehouse in RI). The democrats in RI should've done a lot more to encourage unaffiliated voters to cast a ballot for Laffey in the Republican primary. Another missed opportunity.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'd much rather people vote at the Federal level than get involved making themselves feel good at the municipal level like Karl Rove wants them to.

W.
T.
F.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, and i would think we'd be for any political outcome that would remove Ted Stevens from being head of the Senate committee overseeing the Internets, Pat Roberts from Intel, put Pat Leahy in charge of Judiciary, etc etc

One fun bit of all this: how likely do y'all think that John Bolton's UN nomination is going to get thru?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

i don't buy this 'people don't care anymore' or 'people aren't active or organized' talk at all, there's a huge number of americans that are passionate (obsessed even), organized, and extremely active on a grass roots level in politics in their communities and on up to the federal level - they're called conservatives.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Having a majority in the House of Representatives equals control of chairmanships, control of floor votes and (last but not least) control of subpoena powers. (This is another important reason why Rove wants a permanent Republican majority.) That, and substantial control over the federal budget, which is a multi-trillion dollar cookie jar.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

it's still a relatively small number blount, and even that number has become a cliched excuse for Democratic failures for the past dozen or so years. As if it's merely this so-called group of conservative activists that's the magic X-factor in a series of fairly close elections, as if there isn't a similar number of liberal activists who aren't doing the same thing.

We don't need Leahy in charge of anything, but Ted Stevens and Pat Roberts are radioactive cancer.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

how likely do y'all think that John Bolton's UN nomination is going to get thru?

I thought it was CW that it was dead.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

maybe Bush'll nominate Lieberman

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

as if there isn't a similar number of liberal activists who aren't doing the same thing.

While I agree that the scope and effectiveness of the social conservative/evangelical base is over exaggerated, they do seem like a much bigger and more in-step grass-roots support network than liberal activists.

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

It is inherently harder to get liberal activists to fall into lockstep because the way "liberals" think is not conducive to not "questioning authority." This is a vast oversimplification of the problem, but still important. Herding Democrats/left-leaners is like herding cats. Maybe harder.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

it's not even about falling into lockstep, it's first about being a joiner. liberals tend not to be. their politics lead them more often to push against rather than for things. it's the same impulse that leads people to root for the underdog team, listen to the indie band, etc. it's why the they-hate-America meme works. it's why liberals are successfully cast as countercultural, and conservatives as monocultural. it's why liberals are often against the successful guys on their own team. it wins elections only during occasional times of widespread public dissatisfaction, and barely at that.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

there's a huge number of americans that are passionate (obsessed even)

i would call it sizable, but not huge. I still think that the majority of folks either

1) just don't know
2) just don't care
3) just too busy to find out(Jon Stewart mentions this frequently)

they do seem like a much bigger and more in-step grass-roots support network than liberal activists.

no question, and it's gunna be like that for years

Herding Democrats/left-leaners is like herding cats. Maybe harder.

exactly, which is why more & more folks lately(lakoff, wallis & others) have been talking about the need to articulate the what, how, and why the shared values are...

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

or, as i once said, 'some people prefer to lose'

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

there's always that, but not a controlling majority

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

or, as i once said, 'some people prefer to lose'

Are these the same people who are actively involved in local politics, thus playing into the hands of Machiavelian Genius, Karl Rove?

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

yes, i could not have phrased it better

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

kingfish, your explanation is mostly correct (the 1-3 thing.)

Your comments are interesting gabbneb, about not being joiners or whatever. I'm not sure how much I accept that explanation (in asmuch as it doesn't explain much of the modern liberal movement), but I've never heard it put that way. Hmm.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

their politics lead them

instead of 'politics', I should say first their impulses/attitudes/beliefs/philosophy/tics/intelligence

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Gabneb, most of the people I know who are involved in local politics are acutely aware of national politics, so I don't understand your [being involved in municipal politics] = [playing into Karl Rove's hands] equation.

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

maybe cuz that's not the equation i was making?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

can't be dead yet, we haven't even started our Foundation yet

so who gets to be hari seldon?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

so who gets to be hari seldon?

http://classical89.org/specials/images/JamesBurke.jpg ?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'd much rather people vote at the Federal level than get involved making themselves feel good at the municipal level like Karl Rove wants them to.

I reiterate: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really need to explain an inchoate thought, but suffice it to say I'm responding to don weiner, whose posts (at least in my paranoid little world) somehow always magically end up aligning with the Rovian worldview, which wants to devolve liberal governance down to the local level where maybe it'll survive in NY and SF, but not in the homeland. Read my way, his post seems to say, don't you worry your pretty little head about Republican Big Government; you can fight yr liberal guilt battles closer to home.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

you shouldn't be so paranoid about me, gabbneb; I may be a dolt, but I don't try to antagonize you anymore.

while I do want to devolve liberal governance downward (or at very least, achieve stasis), my views on getting involved locally are founded by what Fluffy said. In my experience, people who participate locally typically extend their participation outward. Granted, I interact with a lot of joiners, do-gooders, and other civil activists (from all political stripes, I might add) but it seems that their sense of civics isn't restricted at all to their own backyard. And this isn't only true with the metropolitan area that I live in, but it was true in the rural town that I grew up in. Maybe my experience is unique, maybe it's a bit altruistic, but it seems sensible. For some people, getting involved nationally hooks them locally but for others it's the opposite.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 14 September 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

Back to the subject at hand:

http://www.cookpolitical.com/
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
http://www.cqpolitics.com/
http://www.cq.com/corp/show.do?page=products_cqpolitics

Where do you go for your electoral politics info and stats fix?

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

I like to stop by this site when I have a moment:

http://politicalwire.com/

(Obviously quite a lot less formal than the ones you have listed, Fluffy Bear).

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Old Enough for Deja Vu?

One aspect of this election cycle that has fascinated me for months is the generation gap that has developed among experienced political operatives and professional election analysts.

As a general rule, election-watchers under the age of 40, regardless of their party or ideology, see the contest for control of the House as fairly close. They foresee Republicans' losing at least 10 seats, but certainly no more than 20, and they put the odds of a Democratic takeover at 50-50, give or take 10 percentage points. As for the Senate, these observers tend to expect Republicans to lose three or four seats, but probably not five and certainly not the six required for Democrats to take charge.

Observers over age 40, meanwhile, tend to see a greater likelihood of sizable Republican losses. They think that the GOP could well lose more than 20 House seats and more than five Senate seats.

...snip...

Older pros, while often one or more steps removed from the day-to-day developments in each contest, appear to read a bit more into the races, placing greater emphasis on the national political environment and what it is likely to mean for contests that are currently too close to call or for Republican incumbents with precarious leads. These relative old-timers vividly remember the midterm elections of 1994, 1986, 1982, and 1974, as well as the presidential year of 1980, when the late Speaker Tip O'Neill's adage "All politics is local" clearly didn't apply.

Over the past couple of weeks, I've been struck by the sameness of what I've heard in conversations with a host of former executive or political directors of the parties' House and Senate campaign committees and with veterans of the Reagan and Clinton White House political offices. Almost to a person, the consensus is that "the House is gone" for the GOP unless, as each noted carefully, "something big" happens.

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Sara, Political Wire looks pretty cool. The blog aggregator is a nice side-feature.

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Political blogs = my crack cocaine.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 14 September 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't realize Charlie Cook had a site (free?). I rely on Political Wire, Hotline blog, daily kos, Drudge, often tpm, and sometimes NewDonkey

I don't really trust Rasmussen.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

and one that should accompany all of them is CJR Daily

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

I thought their funding was cut off. I'll have to put CJR on the top of my list.

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think Cook puts everything there, if memory serves.

Pollster.com is good. I think that's where Mystery Pollster lives now.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

BTW, HAHA FUCK YOU MARK KENNEDY

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

(That won't make sense unless you click on Minnesota)

Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Ooooh, shiny. (That last Senate election in Minnesota almost did me in completely.)

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
how the GOP is going to avoid losing. the Dems need money and bodies.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 1 October 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

check it out: Jimmy Carter's son, Jack Carter, is running for U.S. Senate in Nevada. Both the former President and Rosalynn are out there doing campaigning for him.

Also, Dennis Hastert's opponent for the House from Illinois: John Laesch, a union carpenter and U.S. Navy veteran.

the democrat running for Mark Foley's now-vacated seat in Florida: Tim Mahoney

and then there's this poll, as reported by fox news:

"The data suggests Americans have bailed on the speaker," a Republican source briefed on the polling data told FOX News. "And the difference could be between a 20-seat loss and 50-seat loss."

So take from that what you will.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Tim Mahoney is sure to win. Laesch maybe has a prayer now, I guess, but just that. Carter doesn't.

Who really needs help are people like Jim Webb, now down by double-digits in one reliable poll, and Jerry McNerney, who's running for Richard Pombo's seat.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

America Votes is doing good work

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

the campaign committees - the DCCC and DSCC - may know best where to spend money, but ActBlue provides an online clearinghouse that allows you to direct contributions to the candidates of your choice

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

also, i'm still not sure why no one's talking more about Sherrod Brown and Mike Dewine, but while I guess I shouldn't be surprised they're still neck and neck even if everyone hates Bush there, I'm not enthused about how the ground games match up in Ohio, so I'll plug this group which is trying to beef up Dem strength there.

i gotta say i'm loving mr. harold eugene ford, jr. right now

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

moveon is working registration deadlines

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

my predix still stand. ford's at the very least a lil bit slimy and i definitely disagree w/ a ton of his positions but he presents a very possible model for the rebirth of the southern democrat. obv i'd like to see him win.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 October 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

question: if somehow/someway the dems actually manage to take the house does pelosi automatically get speaker? the gop has been using the spectre of her speakership as a last plank (preemptive 'speaker pelosi' has been tossed around more regularly than 'hillary' on right talk radio for the past four months at least), her leadership and savvy has impressed me far far less than harry reid's, we know that at least some other people want that job (murtha's on record right? who else? gabbneb?), and a post-election shakeup in leadership might be in the offing (and a very good idea) no matter what the results.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

my understanding is the candidates are Pelosi (left), probably Hoyer (mod-centrist) and Murtha (taking in small numbers from both camps?), and Pelosi is the probable winner. but maybe there are others i'm forgetting or who are under wraps?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, Pelosi (left-mod)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

oh no, wait. somehow i keep forgetting this. it's CW, I think, that it's Murtha v. Hoyer for Majority Leader, not Speaker, and Murtha is aligned with Pelosi against Hoyer. but perhaps Murtha and Pelosi will amicably switch places (with Pelosi actually running things)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Some inspiration for the day.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

the quiet guy in all of this is Pelosi's real right-hand man, George Miller, who is maybe my favorite Dem of all

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

but he's never been much of a showhorse

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

National Journal's House Race rankings - it looks like this thing may come down to Connecticut

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

god I hope McNerny beats Pombo. I can't stand that fucker.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I mean I'd rather the Dems win the House than beat Pombo, but it's close

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.yaledemocrats.com/events.shtml#000341

youn (youn), Friday, 6 October 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

hey, they have mark warner's pic in the header image.

youn (youn), Friday, 6 October 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.brianschweitzer.com/images/governorandjag_small_text.jpg

Heh, I like this one. Gov. Schweitzer is doing a deal where you can donate and maybe win a float trip with him & his dog Jag. Or maybe just win a bolo tie.


kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Also, he'll provide any and all fishin' licenses needed.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'd love to do a float trip with him if he left the dog at home. I already have two bolo ties.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

ain't no proper fishin' trip with out a proper fishin' dog

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

i guess i don't associate fishing with "float trip"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Gov. Schweitzer and Jag will provide to a randomly selected contributor and their guest a one-day float trip on the Missouri River near Helena, Montana in the Spring of 2007.

The governor will provide travel from Helena to the river, lunch and appropriate floating gear. The lucky recipient and their guest will be responsible for travel to and from Helena, lodging during their stay and any required fishing licenses.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

dude Jack Carter looks older than Jimmy Carter, wtf

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

see related:

Today's Logistics Question: If you take your dog fishin' with you, what happens when he takes a dump in the boat?

xpost

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Doggie Groover

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

oh jesus christ

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

haha - what a non-news story piece of shit

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

i'm guessing the surprise will be major ball lackage in the dems causing them to lose the house by a slim margin or greater.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

Ah the Welsh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

and if these numbers are anyway credible, the RNC is retreating from the Ohio senate race to reinforce other states.

Or, if you'd like another metaphor, how about triage?

It's going to be interesting to see where campaign expenditures level off at, assuming there can be no such thing as an infinitely increasing function.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

gotta rally the troops:

http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/17/us/17radio_lg.jpg

President Bush discussed his policies with conservative radio hosts last month at the White House, including, from left, Mike Gallagher, Neal Boortz, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and Michael Medved.

Rush already met with him & rove privately in june

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

If only this was my district instead of next door.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile, dig the decorum in this NC congressional debate

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

Vernon Robinson is the best standup comedian this state has ever seen

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

whoa. Michael J. Fox did this ad for Claire McCaskill's Senate campaign in Missouri. Check it out.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 October 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

"For his part, Dobson's gone bugfuck insane on the need to get out the values vote."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 October 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

guess who's gettin' a lil' desperate:

I want you to stay home on Election Day because you must accept the fact that your party has abandoned you. You've gotta accept the fact that your vote doesn't matter anyway. So all you Democrats, stay home...

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 22 October 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

New Republican message: vote for us, OR YOU'LL ALL DIE.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 23 October 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

well, there's always this route to increased traffic on your Internets site

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://online.barrons.com/public/resources/images/ON-AD952_belec3_20061020232806.gif

uh huh. sure.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

If these posts are any indication, they really are getting desperate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

The pic of Bush and the commentators is like a live-action still of the Legion of Doom from the Justice League of America film.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

also

The ad displays an array of quotes from bin Laden and his top lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahri, that include bin Laden's Dec. 26, 2001 vow that "what is yet to come will be even greater."

The ad also cites al-Zawahri's claim to have obtained "some suitcase bombs," followed by a scene that appears to show a nuclear explosion.

I still want my "Democrat dingos will eat your babies! Babies, you hear me?!" advert

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

a live-action still of the Legion of Doom from the Justice League of America film

true, but not Super-Friends, coz none of them look as cool as Black Manta

http://www.mattfraction.com/pretty/manta.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

Are Jack and Hortence* going to buy these increasingly shrill and hysterical looking ads. Some of these make the 'swift boat veterans' look positively fair and balanced (NB not 'Fair and Balanced™')

*Jack and Hortence are 'The American People' that live in a cupboard in the oval office in the strip cartoon 'if...'.

Ed (dali), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

I seem to be the only one always beating this apparently dead horse, but I don't understand the failure to change any aspect of the past elections being rigged and manipulated. Since the general consensus is that 2000 was won by Gore, and that 2004 was at the very least extremely shady in Ohio and New Mexico, why should things be any different this time? If everyone is OK with the exit polls not matching up with the results in 04, is there a big enough lead in any of these polls right now to make the Republicans retaining control with some vote fudging an impossibility? It doesn't seem like it. It feels like the left is getting all excited and preparing to run head on into another brick wall.

richardk (Richard K), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

"run [its] head"

That is to say, why is no one bringing up the problems with past elections, and how they might pertain to this next one? It seems like everyone is in denial and treating this November as a separate entity that exists in some kind of pure "the polls are accurate this time" vacuum.

richardk (Richard K), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand the failure to change any aspect of the past elections being rigged and manipulated.

Thing is, there's also the pitfall that endless fear about the fucked voting systems generates. It has the same result as apathetic cynicism, in that people just don't vote, so these guys still win.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Good point, but isn't there maybe some sound logic behind that fear? I'm gonna vote, even absentee, out of sheer hatred for those in power, but I don't honestly feel like my vote will count in the most literal sense of "actually being counted and used in a fair election."

richardk (Richard K), Monday, 23 October 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Pfft.

President Bush gently admonished his father for saying he hates to think what life will be like for his son if the Democrats win control of Congress in the Nov. 7 election.

"He shouldn't be speculating like this, because -- he should have called me ahead of time and I'd tell him they're not going to [win]," a smiling Bush said during an interview broadcast yesterday on the ABC program "This Week."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Barron's Online:

based our predictions about the outcome in almost every race on which candidate had the largest campaign war chest, a sign of superior grass-roots support.

Republicans have better grass-roots support because they have more money? So Bill Gates is the most popular man in America?

J (Jay), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

here's what limbaugh -- ever the compassionate, sensitive soul -- has to say about that michael j. fox commercial.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

true, but not Super-Friends, coz none of them look as cool as Black Manta

So I guess that makes Laura Ingraham Giganta, kingfish.

http://members.aol.com/SprFriends/giganta2.jpg

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Her jaw isn't quite as pronounced as you'd think(i.e. like Chyna's).

Still, nice to see she's rocking the Legend of Zelda power bracelets along with her giraffe? top.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Getting closer, I'm guessing this will be really close.. Dems will barely lose, more legitimate election fraud allegations will arise, there will be more bickering about it, everyone will then shrug it off by December because it's the holiday season and there are other things people want to think about instead like Jesus, not strangling the mother-in-law (oh, don't you know it, girlfriend) and getting cool shit, etc.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

total R Crumb wank material there

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

(uh x-post roflz)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

Good point, but isn't there maybe some sound logic behind that fear?

that's true, but my thing is for all the folks who use that fear as a reason to justify their lazy ass not voting come Nov 7th. Hell, they should move to Oregon; you don't even have to leave your couch when voting. If you're aim is good enough, you can just fling your ballot at the mailman* and not even walk to the mailbox at the front door.

It's the same problem I have with folks too cynical or too hip to care, cuz it's funny how they fell into the particular worldview that required the least of them.

Then you have shit like this(remember from two years ago?):

http://blogumentary.typepad.com/chuck/votingoldpeople.jpg

which just makes me wanna load up the firebombs.

(* have never actually tried this yet. but one day....)

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

the other GIS result i got when looking for that:

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/hsc1873l.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

If the GOP 'wins' every seat in a shocker landslide, including ones where no GOP candidate is running, can we then suggest something is amiss?

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

too obvious

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

Okay--they don't win the ones where there's no candidate.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, depending on how you're counting, the Republican revolution took thirty-plus years to pull off, billions of dollars spent, as many mannish hours, entire systems dismantled, and they're going to give all that up why?

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

Because no matter what money they put into it they can only go so far.

That said, I refuse to be sanguine about the next two weeks. Signs are promising but no more, and if the GOP held on somehow I wouldn't be surprised -- it's a poisoned chalice in any event.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

I was about to say... having "was a politician in the U.S. during the years of 2007-2008" on one's resume sounds like the makings of an application to work in Hell afterward if anything.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

That said, I'm not advocating voter apathy at all. I'm more aggressive about getting people to vote than I was in 2004.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 05:51 (nineteen years ago)

got some Hard Work to do

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 06:06 (nineteen years ago)

Mother Jones' worst places to vote.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 08:03 (nineteen years ago)

I seem to be the only one always beating this apparently dead horse, but I don't understand the failure to change any aspect of the past elections being rigged and manipulated.

I was thinking the same thing - the gulf between exit polls and actual results in '04 (and the "corrections" to the results happening on CNN before my very eyes that night) was never satisfactorily explained and it seems to be widely acknowledged that the vote-tallying process is in a bit of a state.

And here we have another too close-to-call race - not that close in the sense that I think the Dems will carry the day quite convincingly, but close in the final make-up of each house. Rasmussen are calling it 48-47 to the GOP with five too close to call in the Senate at the moment.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 08:13 (nineteen years ago)

Hugh Hewitt, going on about why all those pesky poll things don't reflect the true reality:

I get a lot of e-mail asking me why I point to polls like the one favoring Steele when I discount some polls favoring some Democrats.

Because this question comes mostly from lefties, I will pause to explain in as uncomplicated a fashion as possible.

Polling methodology and models favors Democrats.

So polls that show Republicans tied or ahead I see as indicating a race in which the Republican is in the lead.

Polls that show a Republican within striking distance I see as a poll indicating a dead heat.

It shouldn't be that hard to grasp, even for a lefty.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Nothing will be done about fucking voting systems because fucked voting systems favor Republicans, whether they're in power or not. At the moment, they happen to be in power, so why should they change anything?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Right. So given that, do we just try and bet on a high enough margin of victory that the votes can't be 'fudged' without appearing really obvious.

richardk (Richard K), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Replace "bet" with "organize people and commit to winning" and yeah. Add to that the fact that the way congressional districts are drawn, Democrats have to outpoll Republicans by anywhere from 6-10% JUST TO BREAK EVEN. Krugman and the dailyhowler have discussed this a little bit and the numbers are obviously open to interpretation but this is apparently received wisdom by Dem and Rep strategists alike. As the dailyhowler asks, can you imagine Republicans sitting still for that? Can you imagine Rove accepting a 7-point handicap? Democrats do. They don't even talk about it.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Michael J. Fox is recording more adverts for Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle (D) and Ben Cardin.

Cardin is running against the Mike Tyson-supported Steele in Maryland, the one who compared stem cell research to the Holocaust while speaking to a group of Holocaust survivors.

And he's going stumpin':

He has also made plans to appear at events for two Democrats, Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Tammy Duckworth, a candidate for Congress from Illinois.

So, of course, let's guess what the evil fucks say in response.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

The amount of sorry GOP desperation at play is amusing me if nothing else. Thus. Individual stories rather than overall patterns but still.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

having "was a politician in the U.S. during the years of 2007-2008" on one's resume sounds like the makings of an application to work in Hell afterward if anything.

"Was a politician in the U.S. during the years 1877-1878" is the only thing worse.

Hey, Ned, I finally read Dark Horse last week. I loved it!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Ned, I'm getting the impression that you think the Republicans losing control is a mortal lock? (UNLESS OF COURSE THEY STEAL THE ELECTION BY DISINFRANCHISING BLACK PEOPLE)

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

yeah GOP tactics are almost always of the "sorry desperation" play kind, and yet don't necessarily go hand in hand with losses...

richardk (Richard K), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Ned, I'm getting the impression that you think the Republicans losing control is a mortal lock?

God, no. Just that they're unsettled enough to be more openly worried about it for the first time in a long while. Nearly all the typical sites are offering up stiff-upper-lip/'don't believe the polls!' stances; there's no outright *confidence* anywhere, aside from Hugh Hewitt, who is a hyperpartisan dipshit.

Hey, Ned, I finally read Dark Horse last week. I loved it!

Great, glad you liked it! I think it's an absolutely essential book to read in terms of American history -- in fact, I might get that as a gift for my dad, either for his birthday (Dec. 7) or Xmas!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

I just got off the phone with my dad, who has voted Republican his whole life. His email to me this morning said:

"I have decided to vote the following Democrats for Governor, Attorney General and Congress. Reason: the radical right, leadership in Iraq ( it would be a mistake to leave, but cut and run...give me a break!) and big spending by Bush. I’m mad."

This after I'd been telling him the same shit for at least the past ten years.

I'm not sure whether to think this is anecdotal evidence or not, but I'm guessing that it isn't.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Probably not, based on various blog posts and complaints and things. Sure, you get people like Glenn Reynolds, who basically chickened out of either a Democrat or even a third party vote by complaining about 'sexual McCarthyism' (a total non-starter of an approach), but more often you see full on rejection.

Some of it is pretty rabid in the 'they're not conservative ENOUGH' sense -- read DailyPundit if you dare -- but not all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kinda scared to ask who my parents in exurban Knoxville are gunna vote for, given my dad's past history and rabid consumption of rightwing media(tv, radio, books). I wonder if I can work on my dad with the bit that these crazies are the reason why ABC doesn't run "Saving Private Ryan" on Veteran's Day(due to Rev. Don Wildmoon's AFA assholes doing shit in 2004). Maybe I can finally push him into voting Libertarian.

My mom, however, is another matter. Media fear works quite well on my mom, so who knows how she's gunna go.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Rove was on NPR's All Things Considered insisting that he reads "68 polls a day" and the numbers indicate Republicans hanging on to both the House and Senate. When the reporter questioned his math Karl said "you've got your math but I've got THE math."

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://oneyearbible.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/bad_math.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, John Cole at Balloon Juice has some things to say.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

0 + 2 = 1 : that queer equation

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Rove was on NPR?! why would he bother going on NPR?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

the math

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Rove was on NPR's All Things Considered insisting that he reads "68 polls a day" and the numbers indicate Republicans hanging on to both the House and Senate.

"68 polls a day" = assurances from Diebold CEO.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

shits & giggles? Juan williams/mara liasson hooked him up?

xpost

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

I must confess that part of me has this fear that the Repub strategy at present is total reverse-psychology on a national scale - i.e., scare their base into thinking they're going to lose in order to mobilize/maximize turnout. I'm probably just being paranoid though.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Nonsense is better than no sense at all.

Coach Dave (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

how is there more scaring this time and ever before? It seems there's less scaring this time than ever before, which is more unsettling to me.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

more scaring a la "The Democrats are going to enact their liberal agenda/we're going to lose our majorities in Congress"!! (ie, things only their base would truly fear)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

No, there's lots of scaring but also lots of bravado.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

what "base?" What the hell republican "base" is left? The people most inclined to get out the vote have turned on these bastards. The people who still support them are going to forget which day they're supposed to vote and don't even know who their candidates are.

SOME LOW END BRO (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

There's more scaring this time round with stuff like the demonization of Nancy Pelosi, to the point where even Drudge has an unflaterring photo of her up like every other day.

meanwhile, Drudge currently has this up:

EXCLUSIVE: Ad Response To Michael J. Fox running in Missouri
tomorrow night; stars Jim Caviezel of 'The Passion of Christ' and
Cardinals pitcher Jeff Suppan, who pitches Game 4 of World Series... MORE...

xp:

what "base?" What the hell republican "base" is left?

the looney rightwing authoritarian follower types, which always constitutes at least a fifth of the population

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

ha the story before the Rove interview was the demonization of Pelosi: most people are like BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO SHE IS

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

this Ken Mehlman begging for money letter I just opened is pretty funny.

"Our message of lower taxes, fiscal responsibility, and commonsense reform wins elections."

"If the Democrats regain complete control of Congress this year they will roll back all the gains we have made and move forward with their agenda of raising taxes and bringing articles of impeachment against President Bush."

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

The Hard Work will only get more difficult after November 7th. Assuming that the Democrats do take back the House and gain a sufficient amount of citizen mindshare (sorry), I would expect to see the Republicans launch a vicious destabilization campaign even more excessive that than launched against Clinton. Every winning Democrat better be sure that he or she has ALL their dirty laundry clean, pressed & folded down to the last unpaid parking ticket.

Winning the battle does not necessarily equate to winning the war.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

Having said that, I'm guardedly optimistic. The Republicans will have to fight even dirtier than they have before to keep this one and if they do, their underhandedness will be obvious.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

as opposed to before, when it was subtle?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

When it was soft and squishy.

The whole 'we never said 'stay the course'' thing is already a nonstarter, and Bush's current statements ill suit him -- you can almost tell he's wishing "Now why don't people understand so I don't have to waste my time doing this?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Dubya's busy "using the google"

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

"They're genetically disposed to raise your taxes" is a really weirdass thing to say.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Weirdest thing I've read in a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

wtf

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

"They're genetically disposed to raise your taxes" is a really weirdass thing to say.

esp. for people who don't believe in genetics or evolution.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

it reads like both a puff piece AND a hit piece, AND is pretty much just a transcript of 60 minutes...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

(x-post)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think Buckley is just angling for an invitation to a party that may or may not happen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

for fear that otherwise she would train her unsparing eyes on them and hound them to death.

UH

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Truthfully, if Buckley wasn't the titular figurehead of a party whose corruption just keeps metastasizing, I'd agree with him. Pelosi use of English in that "60 Minutes" interview hurt my gums.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Buckley's the titular figurehead of the GOP...? I don't think that's been the case for at least 20 years. Pelosi didn't do great there, but Stahl was just picking a semantics fight - obviously all Nancy's saying is that, "yes I think he's an incompetent, but I still have to work with him and I will try." What else could she say?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

as opposed to before, when it was subtle?

When it was easily dismissed. "Oh those liberals and their sore-loser whining"

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

why would he bother going on NPR?

depress dem voter turnout by playing on dem base's sneaking paranoid suspicion, the one we all have, that goes "why bother even trying, rove's figured out the magic formula to pull enough evangelicals out of thin air to win everything again"

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

i have no idea where else to put this bit on ILE, so i'll stick it here.

This is what happens when Drudge links to the NME.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

New Jersey Gay Marriage Decision at 3pm Wednesday

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 07:17 (nineteen years ago)

In case people aren't monitoring it: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

As of October 25:
Senate - 51 Republicans, 49 Democrats (inc. three neck-and-neck races)
House - 228 Democrats, 205 Republicans (+ 2 tied races)

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

oh that electoral votes site is giving me bad flashbacks

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

Boy, how I learned to hate that site two years ago.

x-p!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

Same here! In the end, Rasmussen (as frustrating as it was with its constant slight Bush leads) was "correct". Didn't electoral-vote have Kerry pushing 300 at one point inside the final week? Not their fault - they're only collating polls, but still...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

and would it be asking too much for a house map

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

here's Bill Clinton's speach from last week, talking about using "the common wealth for the common good."

I like that somebody as big as Clinton is openly talking about their values, and I hope more democrats and progressive folks do the same.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

y'know he did a lot of things I disagreed with and fucked up a bunch, but damn if I don't genuinely miss having someone fairly eloquent and with actual ideas in the White House. I feel this way almost every time I see/hear Bubba speak.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'm finding it extremely disconcerting that Bush has now, several times, said "We're not going to lose."

Note: Not that they're going to win, but not lose. His confidence with this one wording is very palpable.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

that NJ same-sex marriage decision (in .pdf form), for the curious.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

blue jersey's thread re same.

let the wednesday-afternoon quarterbacking begin!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Days after actor Michael J. Fox appeared in a TV ad urging Missouri voters to support stem cell research, opponents will unveil their own commercial during the World Series Wednesday night.

The Cardinals' starting pitcher for Game 4, Jeff Suppan, is among several celebrities who appear in the minute-long ad. Others include Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner, Kansas City Royals player Mike Sweeney and two actors -- Patricia Heaton of TV's ''Everybody Loves Raymond'' and Jim Caviezel, who portrayed Jesus in ''The Passion of the Christ.''

''Amendment 2 claims it bans human cloning, but in the 2,000 words you don't read, it makes cloning a constitutional right,'' Suppan says in the commercial. ''Don't be deceived."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts/AP-Michael-J-Fox-Campaign-Ads.html

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

JESUS & JEFF SUPPAN IS MY CO-PILOT

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

I liked this response to the response ad:

I mean, on the one hand, you have a guy with Parkinson’s who has dedicated the last decade to raise money for the disease, someone who has studied the disease, and is convinced that embryonic stem cell research has a good deal of potential for a cure.

On the other hand, you have a MLB pitcher, a washed up NFL QB, and an actress, all of whom think that embryonic stem cell research makes the Baby Jesus cry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

YOU FORGOT JESUS AND MIKE SWEENEY

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

or is it that they think stem cell research makes jim caviezel cry? that is a legit concern esp after he got the shit so beat out of him.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

he's afraid that they may clone HIM from some of the cells in the flesh that got torn off after they whipped his ass.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

Larry King did a thing on the WH rightwing radio day, so they had on Stephanie Miller & Ed, vs Neil Boortz and some other douche.

MILLER: By the way, Larry, can we get -- since Ed and I were not invited, can we get the memo, because I know we're here to mourn the death of a catch phrase tonight. Stay the course is officially dead. But are we still making progress? And is it hard work? And is freedom on the march?

Because we want the talking points, too. Which ones are still operative.

xp didn't Jim get struck by lighting once or twice during filming?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

yep, twice.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

the guy who held the umbrella for him while they stood on hilltops in the rain got struck twice. he only got hit once.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

someone just sent me this from talkingpoints...

TN-SEN: Corker Radio Ad Has Tom-Tom Drums During Mentions Of Ford

By Greg Sargent | bio

Okay, so Election Central has just obtained a radio ad which you've got to hear: It actually has what sounds like tom-tom drums playing in the background every time the ad talks about Dem Harold Ford, Jr. The ad -- which says it was paid for by the campaign of GOP Senate candidate Bob Corker -- can be heard right here. When the ad mentions Corker, the music soars and no tom-toms are audible. Throughout the entire minute-long ad, you hear the rumble of tom-toms every time Ford is mentioned. This ad, keep in mind, quotes Bob Corker himself as having "approved" the message -- meaning it wasn't the work of the Republican National Committee, as in the case of the recent "bimbo" TV ad which drew charges of racism.

We got a copy of the ad from a producer from WGOW radio in Chattanooga. Bill Lockhart, the program director for WGOW, confirmed the authenticity of the ad and that it's running on the station. "They're freaking jungle-drums," Lockhart tells us. "It's racist -- it tries to conjure up deep, dark African moods. Yeah, it's overtly racial."

It's pretty interesting that this ad is running, wouldn't you say? After all, Corker disavowed the similar tactics in the recent "bimbo" ad which stirred controversy and charges of racism. The bimbo ad, which featured an actress playing what used to be called a "floozy." As you surely know by now, she claimed to she'd met Ford at a "Playboy" party and asked Ford to "call me." For some reason, people got the idea that it was supposed to be playing on fears of interracial sex, and they got very upset about it. Corker himself has called on local stations not to run the bimbo TV spot, saying that it "went too far."

But the RNC has been unapologetic about the ad, and it's continued to run.

Now -- despite Corker's disavowal of the racially-questionable tactics in the bimbo spot -- we get this new spot with the tom-toms. Apparently this one doesn't go "too far" for Corker at all.

We contacted WGOW radio to ask about the ad after reader C.C. wrote in telling us that he'd overheard two local talk show hosts discussing the ad:

This morning about 6:45 I'm getting ready for work and have the radio tuned to the local mega talk station. The hosts are talking about the heat that the Corker/RNC ads are picking up, but are pretty neutral on them themselves, suggesting that the ruckus--and the suggestions of racism--are overblown. They're going through some callers, when one says, "That's nothing. Have you heard the jungle drums on the radio ad?"...

So they play it, and, sure enough, the caller's right. Soaring music underneath the copy when discussing Corker's merits, jungle-like drumming when cutting to Ford's demerits. The hosts were stone-silent when it finished, until one whistled, and said, "Damn." They both agreed that the drumming--and the intent--was obvious.

The talk show hosts, apparently, did think the ad may have gone just a bit too far. The Corker campaign didn't immediately return a call for comment.

You can listen to the ad right here.: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/2006-10-25_Corker_Radio_Ad.mp3

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

more fun with white women.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

what happens if the Senate winds up being a 50-50 split? (in terms of majority/minority leaders)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

There was a situation like that when Jeffords went independent, trying to recall what occurred...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

harold ford jr grew up indc THE DARKEST HEATHEN JUNGLES OF AFRICA, bob corker in tennessee...

ps love the way that guy says his name - i'm bob coaorkr and i've approved this message.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

This Weekly Standard story addresses something I've been wondering about -- namely, were there any folks running for Congress for the GOP who were Iraq veterans? Turns out there are three, all long shots receiving little support. (The fact that the article itself subtly but clearly shows the specific candidate portrayed as being unwilling to touch base with reality there currently -- the guy stopped serving in 2004 and seems to think everything since then has been bad reporting -- is telling.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

what happens if the Senate winds up being a 50-50 split? (in terms of majority/minority leaders)

Republicans retain the majority because Cheney is President of the Senate as serves as the tie-breaking vote.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

This was how matters stood in '93-'94.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting NRO post in that it's from a contact of theirs in either the GOP or Congress who has been looking at numbers. Sure, you could argue disinformation but I suspect this is more accepting what's likely to go down at this point. The key parts:

The following 11 seats are either hopeless or need an act of God:
TX22 (Delay)

AZ-08 (Kolbe)

OH-18 (Padgett)

IN-08 (Hostettler)

PA-10 (Sherwood)

FL-16 (Foley - even though they seem to have optimism there, hard to imagine)

CO-07 Beauprez

NC-11 (Taylor not 100% dead, but close and at financial disadvantage)

IN-02 (Too bad, Chocola was a solid GOP member)

PA-07 Weldon

NY-24 Boehlert

The other key part:

The base is starting to come home, and is certainly fired about the thought of Speaker Pelosi. The worry is independents and weak R's and our break. That is why Mehlman/RNC is touching indes so frequently. Nothing is for certain. On a bad night, we can lose 30 seats. But, if we have solid performance over the next 13 days and the news cycle doesn't kill us, it could be a night of very close wins maintaining a close majority of 2 or 3. One thing is for certain, Iraq is a devastating issue for most of these races, and yesterday's press conference gave away another news cycle.

That darned Iraq! If only it could be explained away!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

this White House takes orders from no one including their own party. Bush just doesn't give a f*&%

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

yeah dude it's pretty impressive- in that video-of-dude-doing-the-backflip-with-nunchucks-who-nearly-kills-himself sense of the word- what's come out of that tent they set up on the WH lawn the other day. I mean here you are folks, we have the contents of the horses' mouths, and multiple methods of testing have revealed all samples to be 100% unverfälscht diarrhea, most likely from a chimpanzee.

SOME LOW END BRO (TOMBOT), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

You spend 6 years keeping cheney as muzzled as possible and then bring him out two weeks before you're about to lose the entire legislature to say that waterboarding people is a no-brainer. Rove's lost it.

SOME LOW END BRO (TOMBOT), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

Any Dem candidates vets of recent wars in the gulf or Afghanistan?

Ed (dali), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh hell yes, at least five, most notably Tammy Duckworth.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

That electoral-vote site has the Repubs maintaining the Senate now, what happened?

richardk (Richard K), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

That is quite a CV.

Ed (dali), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Any Dem candidates vets of recent wars in the gulf or Afghanistan?

yeah, at least 100, i think. Do a search for "Fighting Dems" and the candidates that Paul Hackett's group is supporting.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

You're talking about local candidates as well, I assume.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

hmm, perhaps.

here's the DNC page for them

and here's the list.

Correction: most of them are vets of previous eras.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

That electoral-vote site has the Repubs maintaining the Senate now, what happened?

They've never actually been ahead in the Senate race, have they? They need six gains and most of the pollsters seem to suggest they'll get between four and seven (but losing NJ will blow their chances of a majority entirely).

The House race is another matter - somewhere between 12 and 30 gains, so a very likely Dem majority.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

turns out the ad attacking Harold Ford Jr, the one with the crazy white bitch, was done by one of Rove's protégés.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Is that the same ad that claims Canada "isn't busy"?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

those underage sex scenes that turn on Jim Webb are fucking hilarious.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

don weiner! with a GOP talking point! pigs flying!

you wouldn't want to "bet your balls" on it's being a "sex scene"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Not to be all optimystic or anything, but, if you really believe in the Dems, and out of respect, I know people here do and that's fine, than any way the Dems can get more seats the better, even if it's not a majority.

This past six years have shown rogue Republicans (and yes rogue Democrats) being swings in issues being brought forth and then signed. The more Dems in the senate, the less swing Repubs needed to convince... and as Bush and Cheney became more leperous as 2007 and 2008 drag and drag and drag, and they sure as fuck will drag, the more you'll have more Dem-sympathizing Republicans. You'll probably have far less Dems being swings for Republicans in the next two years than in the previous six... fucking FINALLY.

Again, if you give a shit, that is.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

"illuminating" gabbneb. At least now you'll have something Rove-ian to point to if Webb loses. pigs flying, indeed.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

at this point, i just want Democratic control of the senate just to put Pat Leahy in charge of the Judiciary Committee and buffer the next two years of the authoritarian rightwing fucks these folks try to nominate.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile, let us hear from the mind of Noonan, who pretty much takes several hundred words to stamp her feet and pathetically maintain, Kristol-like, that things may be bad but "conservatism cannot fail; it can only be failed."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

CJR Daily does a run-down on blogger reaction to the Jim Webb book, and does mention that it "draws upon his personal experiences in Vietnam and which received strong praise from the likes of Senator John McCain."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

all that Jim Webb novel bullshit is A) nowhere near scooter libby levels of WTFson and also it's gotten "one night in bangkok" stuck in my head, for which all political bloggers involved including you guys can just go die in a fire.

SOME LOW END BRO (TOMBOT), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.blizzard.com/images/inblizz/actionfigures/firebat.jpg

can't kill me i the gots armor

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

also, painted shin pads.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

makes a tombot humble

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 27 October 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

GOP in throwing the kitchen sink at Webb shocker. aren't they usually smart enough to NOT dump things in the Friday news cycle when nobody's paying attention? GOTV in northern VA can win this one.

by the way, what's in George Allen's sealed divorce records?

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

oh god, why did I go and read ANYTHING by Peggy Noonan. I need a drink

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

by the way, what's in George Allen's sealed divorce records?

I was gonna bring that up too, but while I imagine he's got all sorts of stuff going on, merely referring to it suggests that there's anything to the Webb thing.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

oppo research to George Allen: "Are you still beating your wife?"
Classic. I'd say it isn't right, but Allen's one mean SOB

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

also, do we actually know for certain what his arrest was for?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Glenn Greenwald has a great response to the op-ed, calling it Peggy Noonan and the rotting pundit class.

He quotes from her magnum opus of shit from two years ago:

I was asked this week why the president seems so attractive to the heartland, to what used to be called Middle America. A big question. I found my mind going to this word: normal.

Mr. Bush is the triumph of the seemingly average American man. He's normal. He thinks in a sort of common-sense way. He speaks the language of business and sports and politics. You know him. He's not exotic. But if there's a fire on the block, he'll run out and help. He'll help direct the rig to the right house and count the kids coming out and say, "Where's Sally?"

He's responsible. He's not an intellectual. Intellectuals start all the trouble in the world. And then when the fire comes they say, "I warned Joe about that furnace." And, "Does Joe have children?" And "I saw a fire once. It spreads like syrup. No, it spreads like explosive syrup. No, it's formidable and yet fleeting." When the fire comes they talk.

Bush ain't that guy. Republicans love the guy who ain't that guy. Americans love the guy who ain't that guy.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

James Webb, what's on your iPod?

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000003TA4.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

oops. there we go.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

about those divorce records

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Intellectuals start all the trouble in the world. And then when the fire comes they say, "I warned Joe about that furnace." And, "Does Joe have children?" And "I saw a fire once. It spreads like syrup. No, it spreads like explosive syrup. No, it's formidable and yet fleeting."

Wow. Intellectuals make no sense.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

She could have a career writing ads for the Royal Bank of Scotland.

M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

what happens when cable news pundits try to yammer on about the latest anti-Ford ad(the hollywood porn/abortion pill to schoolchildren one) without having any idea what they're talking about, vs what happens when the Chattanooga Times actually checked it out.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

oh god, stop with the Peggy Noonan. that writing! it sounds like Bjork's dialogue from Dancer in the Dark! is she mildly retarded?

dar1a g (daria g), Sunday, 29 October 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

worse; a former presidential speechwriter.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 29 October 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

hey have we talked any on here about the ban on online poker? This is seriously pissing off some diehard republicans I know, for real.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 29 October 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think we have yet.

I think my dad would be pissed, but he only plays the online craps games for practice, not for cash.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 30 October 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

Not that my dad's in any danger of voting republican ever, but he loves his online poker and he says everyone he knows in his red state is upset too. I think (hope) it's a sleeper issue!

teeny (teeny), Monday, 30 October 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

It's not like either party will legalize online poker now.

How can Missouri still not be solidly Dem? That Rush Limbaugh imitating MJ Fox clip is so disturbing!

richardk (Richard K), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

hey have we talked any on here about the ban on online poker? This is seriously pissing off some diehard republicans I know, for real.

It's actually been the talk of a few places! There's been quite some extensive mention of it at the NRO, interestingly enough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

How can Missouri still not be solidly Dem?

identity politics, the power of labelling, willful self-delusion, take yer pick

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Washington state banned online poker sometime last year, and no one here made a peep about it, and it was hardly reported, even though I think it's absolutely fucking ridiculous... but in perspective, there are far more things to worry about than not being able to play poker online (without trying to poo-poo the principle of banning online activities.)

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Someone's bitter:

We have suffered more than 2,300 combat deaths in Iraq so far. Not one was in vain. Not one.

Just keep telling yourself that. (Regrettably, he won't be alone.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

"And this year I'm voting a straight Republican ticket right down to dog catcher..."

This year? Does this lying douche expect us to believe that prior to 2006 he was a ticket-splitter?

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 30 October 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

in the past he expressed his non-hatred of the loony left by casting token votes for Democratic candidates for insurance commissioner.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 October 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

Glitches already in early voting in Miami

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm thinking this will be another scarce win for the GOP, and voting vs. polls disparity will be the reason yet again.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray! Corruption!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

so Howard Dean basically said Dems will be 'nice' in victory on a Sunday show, didn't he? I'm sure they will, contemptibly.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

The people don't want investigation/impeachment, they want the gov't to work, to get things done. So, unless they want voted back out of power in 08, Dems will not turn the Congres into a court house.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

nah, bush's getting investigated - but they'll be nice abt it like we would be remiss if we didn't look into this - just do it in small committees and whatnot. they'll find little pieces, start to pull on them and all sorts of republicans will come tumbling out out. they won't impeach bush unless something huge is revealed, but investigating the shenanigans of the last six years has got to be one of the dems strategies going into 2008. even if it just takes out a few gop congressmen it'd be well worth the effort.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

plus, nancy pelosi can't very well come out & say "oh yeah, we gunna nail these guys", coz going after bush means they automatically go after cheney, which would then put her in line for the Prez.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think lines of succession apply to impeachment proceedings.

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

do you seriously think that investigations would not involve the vice president?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

if the Prez and VP are both removed from office, why not?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

(and btw kingfish is right, hell most of the investigations would actually START with Cheney)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

If they removed the pres and vice at the exact same moment, then maaaaybe. Otherwise the Pres gets to pick a new veep, and if they did Bush first Cheney would move in and pick a new veep. They kinda try to avoid having a veep and pres of different parties after the whole Jeferson-Adams thing.

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

president pelosi would be a novel little chapter in american history.

(just get them both in the same room and kill them, duh)

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I assume you're thinking of the Nixon-Ford situation, but I'm pretty sure Nixon actually picked Ford, he didn't just inherit it because of his position.

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

just do it in small committees and whatnot. they'll find little pieces

yes, I agree

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

well strictly speakign the lines of succession apply, just that during impeachment proceedings the president has options that allow him to mitigate them, keep his party in power, etc.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

A lot of projecting going on here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

this is like counting the cakes before the sugar cane is harvested.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

hey, we're the optimism party, remember?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

Is there really any jurisdiction where the general populace elects the dog catcher?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://overtaken.blogmosis.com/images/btk.jpg
BTK 2006

M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

Vice President Dick Cheney said on Monday insurgents had stepped up attacks in Iraq to try to sway next week's U.S. elections and they were constantly surfing the Web to keep tabs on American public opinion.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N30402444.htm

guys, the could be here... right... now...

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

LOOKOUT - THEY'RE USING THE GOOGLE!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

anybody vote today? who'd you vote for?

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

filled out half my ballot. voted straight-D ticket, plus against the vast majority of bullshit initiatives in OR.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

Voted last week.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, every cliche in the book, obv:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2006-10/26166173.jpg

Oh, and BTW, "America loses if Democrats win".

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

Bush also used the New Jersey Supreme Court ruling last week opening the door to same-sex unions to bolster his case for Republican candidates who would oppose judges who "legislate from the bench."

His argument ignored two points: He was campaigning for Max Burns, a congressional candidate who does not vote on judicial nominations. Moreover, the judges in the New Jersey case who formed the minority pushing hardest for gay marriage had been appointed by a Republican governor.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Bush stated an opinion re: civil unions similar to the NJ decision in 2004.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

Whatever, Diebold is the enemy of focus. Bush isn't able to help himself anymore.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

vote Pro-Life!

In 2004 Richardson legally changed his middle name to Pro-Life and he filed for the governor's race as Marvin Pro-Life Richardson. But that's when he got a letter from the Secretary of State's Office saying no.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 06:20 (nineteen years ago)

Uh did anybody notice this in the Miami glitches article:

Broward Supervisor of Elections spokeswoman Mary Cooney said it's not uncommon for screens on heavily used machines to slip out of sync, making votes register incorrectly. Poll workers are trained to recalibrate them on the spot -- essentially, to realign the video screen with the electronics inside. The 15-step process is outlined in the poll-workers manual.

Did someone actually say that with a straight face? This is too much.

richardk (Richard K), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

I realize not everyone is technologically inclined but this is like THE VOTING BOX IS MAGIK WE NO UDNERSTANDING IT

richardk (Richard K), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://homepage.mac.com/chrisgrovich/iblog/C346297543/E20060315221231/Media/caveman-lawyer2.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Clearly North Korea agreed to return to the negotiating table in order to disrupt the American midterm elections. THEY ARE WATCHING US WITH THEIR 14.4 KBAUD MODEM.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

seen the new CNN polls? seen the difference between the RV and LV numbers? if we don't pull this off, it's in no small part due to the GOP turnout program, but in even larger part due to the fact that people who favor Dems just don't vote enough, no thanks to the attitude that it just doesn't matter, or they're gonna steal it anyway.

the numbers here initially look good for us - looking strong in VA, where the GOP ground game isn't as much up to speed as elsewhere - and very close in MO - but this was largely a weekend poll, which tends to boost Dem numbers.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah and I liked this:

Before coming to Michigan, Bush was in Des Moines, Iowa, at lunchtime. He helped raise $400,000 for the state Republican Party and congressional candidate Jeff Lamberti. The president mistakenly referred to Lamberti as "Dave" throughout his speech.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

they won't impeach bush unless something huge is revealed

Oh, something huge. *bangs head against wall*

New Dems are interested solely in winning elections.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh for the old days of nobly losing.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

when you can explain which 17+ Republican Senators will vote to impeach, we'll listen to you. in the meantime, we're more interested in getting something done.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yer talking about CONVICT. Shut the fucker down for two years. I'm sure you'll get a LOT done with all these Blue Dog/DLC conservative assholes who are gonna be in your caucus.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

"getting something done"

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

i cede the remainder of my tim to the gentleman from yahoo.com

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

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jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately no one in my district is up for re-election and Katherine Harris is secretly writing her concession speech already. The only suspense for me is in the governor's race (both candidates are moderate and bland, with the edge [and possibly my vote] going to Republican Charlie Crist) and, oh right, Mark Foley's district.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

her concession speech ain't all she's writing. you're gonna vote for this guy, Alfred?

plz explain, don, 1) how a House vote for impeachment would "Shut the fucker down for two years," and 2) how those "Blue Dog/DLC conservative assholes" would prevent getting stuff done, but fail to stand in the way of impeachment

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

The Reform Party candidate claimed last week that Crist, a lifelong friend, was bisexual.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

You know, if Kerry had sounded like this two years ago more often, perhaps he might have won?

If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.

The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor.

Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they’re afraid to debate real men. And this time it won’t work because we’re going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

but if he had talked like that, he would've alienated too many of the evangelical righties who certainly ended up voting for him!

I get to vote for ANYONE on the Congressional ballot in my district other than assured Dem winner Yvette Clarke, who is a documented liar about her education, bio, etc.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Written that looks good, sure. I'm willing to bet when he spoke it he sounded like a depressed robot tho.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

ts: John Kerry v. Marvin the Paranoid Android

J (Jay), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Bush also used the New Jersey Supreme Court ruling last week opening the door to same-sex unions to bolster his case for Republican candidates who would oppose judges who "legislate from the bench."

His argument ignored two points: He was campaigning for Max Burns, a congressional candidate who does not vote on judicial nominations. Moreover, the judges in the New Jersey case who formed the minority pushing hardest for gay marriage had been appointed by a Republican governor.

My wife thinks this is the #1 issue that will lead to Republican victory. Nothing energizes the Republican base like the fear of same-sex marriage. The details don't matter, really, any big news story about a state moving closer to allowing same-sex marriage will cause frantic scurrying in conservative circles.

It's a better boogeyman than terrorism at this point.

"stand-still-and-lose" is a good parry to "cut-and-run" though. The Dems should start saying that every chance they get.

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

The Reform Party candidate claimed last week that Crist, a lifelong friend, was bisexual.

I'm less interested in his sexuality than I am in his backing by, support of, and potential past membership in 'brainwashing' groups accused of physical and sexual abuse (that happen to be run by a guy who also is alleged to be closeted).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

but who among us would seriously be concerned about anyone leaning on the Governor of State of Florida?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

any big news story about a state moving closer to allowing same-sex marriage will cause frantic scurrying in conservative circles

True, but more of the older bigots have died off. (Which sounds flippant but...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

It's too early to say, of course, but I don't think BEWARE THE FAGGOTS is going to work as effectively as it did in 2004.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Written that looks good, sure. I'm willing to bet when he spoke it he sounded like a depressed robot tho.

i know i read it and was all wow and then i'm like oh right kerry.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

this isn't a same-sex marriage issue, because the ruling didn't legalize same-sex marriage in NJ.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that nj thing is a non-starter.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

JOHN KERRY SEEKS TO LEGITIMIZE GAY MARRIAGE FOR IRAQI TERRORISTS.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Andrew Sullivan sez Gridlock is Good:

Here's one reason for conservatives not to be afraid sitting out this election or voting Democratic. Gridlock! The best government we've had in recent times was the Clinton-Gingrich face-off. They restrained the worst in each other, brought out the best, and gave us welfare reform, peace, and fiscal surpluses. Bush worked well with another party in Texas. He'll not be so comfortable in Washington. But simply checking the current abuse of executive power will force these people to face reality in Iraq, and make the government less liable to do so much harm, especially to the Constitution.

The last sentence is all wet though (and I'm not convinced by welfare reform either).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

"The best government we've had in recent times was the Clinton-Gingrich face-off. "

haha - yeah right. The best government we have a right to expect is the one that SHUT DOWN altogether.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Keeps the libertarians happy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

yup

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Alfred + Ned, I hope you're right. I don't think gay marriage will have much traction with the general public, but it does have significant pull on conservatives (young and old). Many who decided to sit this one out based on the demoralizing war will leap to attention if they think a Republican congress is the only thing keeping the country from their doomsday fantasy of His & His bridal registries. It's a getting-out-the-vote issue.

this isn't a same-sex marriage issue, because the ruling didn't legalize same-sex marriage in NJ.
-- gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (do...)

yeah that nj thing is a non-starter.
-- jhoshea megafauna (totalwizar...)

I know and you know what the NJ ruling is about. But details don't matter. All their base needs is a front page headline that says "NJ takes a step closer to same-sex marriage." It's a non-starter for liberals, but check the LA Times article Ned linked to above: The president's opposition to same-sex marriage brought the audience to its feet. This is a huge issue for religious conservatives.

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Of course it is. It is, however, a single issue, and Iraq fallout will overpower it at some point even among the dullards.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

...that we've now got GABBNEB 08!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

er, 4 polls in a row showing Webb leading Allen by a couple of points. the problem is three are weekend polls, only one of those nonpartisan, and the fourth is Zogby Interactive, the worst poll ever. so i take these with a grain of salt, but i'm feeling optimistic.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Of course it is. It is, however, a single issue, and Iraq fallout will overpower it at some point even among the dullards.

True, we still have another week of blood-splattered Iraq headlines to get through.

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime, speaking of, apparently Kerry-the-robot is to give a press conference in Seattle in half-an-hour. I ever so wonder why.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Hopefully he remembered his robot prozac.

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

yo why is Ally in a re-elect Sen. Bob Menendez ad that keeps appearing in NJ/NY tv broadcasts?

http://www.menendez2006.com/video/big_ad/

manute lol (sanskrit), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1816/menendezdn9.jpg

manute lol (sanskrit), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Allyfey!

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I ever so wonder why

I imagine it's got something to do with Darcy Burner

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

"against anti-choice justices" confuses NJ voters, Tom Kean Sr. wins in landslide write-in.

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

plz explain, don, 1) how a House vote for impeachment would "Shut the fucker down for two years," and 2) how those "Blue Dog/DLC conservative assholes" would prevent getting stuff done, but fail to stand in the way of impeachment

my comment was directed towards your fantasy of "getting stuff done" in Congress and wasn't meant to be conflated with what Al said. But whatever.

I heard snippets of that Kerry press conference on the radio. What a toad that guy is.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i meant morbius, not you, sorry

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

toad=lesser of two evils

J (Jay), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

haha - yeah right. The best government we have a right to expect is the one that SHUT DOWN altogether.

Given the choice between the "vigorous" foreign policy of the last three years combined with obscene federal domestic spending or inertia, I'll take the latter, thanks.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

the best news of the day is Charlie Cook's moving Pombo, Hayworth, Musgrave, Schmidt, Cubin, Gutknecht and Bass into tossup territory

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

So, I just peeped into NRO World. Are CNN and Fox News ablaze over Kerry's remarks?

Here's their latest Senate box score, btw.:

NRO SENATE BOXSCORE DEMS +5
Race
Republican Democrat Margin
NJ 42.2% 46.7% Menendez +4.5%
PA 40.2% 52.2% Casey +12%
MO 47.5% 46.7% Talent +.8%
MD 44.7% 50% Cardin +5.3%
MT 43% 48% Tester +5%
RI 40.5% 47.3% Whitehouse +6.8%
OH 40.3% 51.6% Brown +11.3%
TN 48.2% 45% Corker+3.2%
VA 46.8% 47.5% Webb +.7%

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/31/14329/949

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

xpost haha but Clarke lied about graduating from Oberlin, and like half the people that went to Oberlin didn't graduate, so it's cool.

My mom apparently wrote the Dems an e-mail saying that after Webb's book excerpt got out, women aren't going to vote for him, and he's dead in the water, so the DNC should give his money to actual female candidates in close races instead.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody seen the full video of the Kerry comment in context? All I've seen so far is the snippet. Not that I'd be surprised if he meant exactly how it's been interpreted, but given the fact that so many of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders seem to be jumping on it I'd like more than their word, you know?

J (Jay), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Dan Savage will probably be in the front row flipping the finger to John Kerry, I'm guessing.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

My mom apparently wrote the Dems an e-mail saying that after Webb's book excerpt got out, women aren't going to vote for him, and he's dead in the water, so the DNC should give his money to actual female candidates in close races instead.

But it's a novel!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Desperate times.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/New_ad_gaybaits__1031.html

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Blue Dog/DLC conservative assholes

newsflash: we live in a fairly conservative country. democracy! what a beautiful thing..

What did Kerry say that was a big deal? I mean, it's standard Kerry - never quite pissed off enough to stop being in love with his own rhetoric - but what I'm wondering is, he often does his own thing regardless of whether the party wants everyone to stay on message. did he actually make news or is this just the blog story of the day.

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

There's no way the gay-baiting ad backfires!

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know if the gay-baiting ad is intended to be effective (or aired, even); it isn't, to my mind. i think it might be intended as a distraction for mehlman. which it probably won't be either, but i guess it's a good test of how fair and balanced the media is about turning small-ticket, not-necessarily-true outsider attacks into big free media stories.

i think we're probably gonna lose TN, and that the ad will have played a small role, while push polls (which i wish we were doing; maybe we are in VA) and other under-the-radar stuff will have played a big one.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

My mom's feeling is that it doesn't matter, women aren't gonna like a guy who talks about little boys' penises in any context. Dude also has a few other sexist strikes against him, no?

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

And your mom was voted the spokeswoman for all women when?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

The funniest thing about the Kerry brouhaha is that what he said is fucking true

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

VETERANS: PROUD TO HAVE MADE ONE VERY DUMB DECISION AT SOME POINT IN OUR LIVES, AND IN DOING SO APPARENTLY ENSURED THAT EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD GIVE US SOME MEASURE OF RESPECT THAT MAY BE UNDESERVED TO VARYING DEGREES MOSTLY DEPENDING ENTIRELY ON CIRCUMSTANCES NOT UNDER OUR CONTROL

SO HOW DO YA LIKE ME NOW

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Kerry's claiming that his "stuck in Iraq" remark wasn't directed at the soldiers who are there, but at Bush and Cheney. Seems unlikely, but possible.

I like ya now tombot

J (Jay), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

voted today (don: voted 'nay' to every tax exemption ("pay me bitch"), 'nay' to fucking license plate fundraiser smells like prolife amendment, 'nay' to that eminent domain stops them activist judges amendment just cuz, 'yay' to hunters > yuppies, voted for that liberal activist legislatin from the bench freein rapists and coke dealers judge, straight dem ticket elsewhere - WHERE ARE MY VOTES NOT OPPOSITE YRS)(seriously though consider crossing the ballot for thurmond, baker, and irvin), voted for david sweat cuz larry munson said to). imagine what this election would look like if the grassroots left had bothered to show up (read=exist)? if they'd brought something to the table for once instead of apparently waiting for the mayan calendar to end or whatever. the world may never know...

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Around about the time your mother was voted "crack whore of the year," Ned.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

technically ned's mom was voted 'cracked's whore of the year'.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

< / zing>

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Dude also has a few other sexist strikes against him, no?

thirty years ago, he argued against women in combat, while saying that a push for gender equality in other areas was a good thing. what are the other strikes? you think george allen is more enlightened on this score?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Around about the time your mother was voted "crack whore of the year," Ned.

If nominated she would not run.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

the ruling didn't legalize same-sex marriage in NJ

Given that Dubya-friendly 'holy' types still think Saddam = 9/11, the facts should elude them.

we live in a fairly conservative country.

A (Cokie Roberts-style) assertion we've batted around many times before, but if you're right, fuck us.

The best government we have a right to expect is the one that SHUT DOWN altogether

I'm with Alfred, this is the outer limit of my optimism these days.


gabbneb's ideal Dem candidate: A pile of tasty mashed potatoes. Liked by all, says nothing.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

blount: I probably will vote similar to you on most of the initiative stuff, will almost certainly vote Libertarian wherever possible (har har like in what, two races or whatever) and in all honesty, might vote Democrat elsewhere. For some of the more obscure races (i.e. the ones that don't get any media coverage) I have to sit down before next Tuesday and do my homework before I dare give any Republican (or Democrat) my vote. Sometimes this whole thing strikes me as a sick joke.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

What's a joke: the fact that you don't know who you're voting for a week before the election? You're right dude, that is a joke.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/images/Puppets%20Page/hp-snap.jpg

"NED, CALL ME"

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

What's a joke: the fact that you don't know who you're voting for a week before the election? You're right dude, that is a joke.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

What are you waiting for? An invitation? As a fellow American, I invite you to sit down tonight and inform yourself on the candidates.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

I think he's talking specifically about the dog catcher nominees

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

ew (xp)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

I mean hell dude in 2004 I sure as hell didn't know who my ward rep incumbent was before I picked up the newspaper the day of. eleanor holmes norton and john kerry, the rest was butter

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not gonna pretend this is news to me, but that doesn't mean it isn't "news." also maybe interesting - if you follow the link, there's only one copy left at Amazon. wonder if someone bought them all up.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Washington State election pamphlets are like large anthologies.

16 Yes/No measures for the city of Seattle alone.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

i vote Yes on the city of Seattle

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

i vote Yes on the city of Seattle a second time.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, because what I should be doing ONE WEEK IN ADVANCE, is desperately trying to educate myself on the INVIGORATING campaigns of the two guys running for the Commissioner of Insurance office. I should be using many hours IN ADVANCE studying this race, spending my valuable time knowing the ins and outs so that I can be an INFORMED voter. Damn it, I should have spent the past few months watching this horserace and attending stump speeches. I should have emailed these guys, I should have sought out the opinion of my fellow man and my fellow woman. Oh why oh why have I been so lazy. Democracy is failing and it's all my fault.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

I've got two candidates running for city council in my ward, and damned if I know anything about them besides what color their yard signs are. No websites, the flyers only say VOTE FOR ME I LIVE WHERE YOU LIVE, and no one I know can tell me about them.

I guess I could go to their house since their address was printed in the paper, but it doesn't seem right that I have to go to them.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

hmm, i dunno, i just voted No on Seattle the third time. Things are, like, omg so lame here.

Wait, I changed my mind. Yes on the fourth.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'll be doing my voting homework in Tacoma this weekend.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

don weiner if voting is too complicated for you, you could always just not vote.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

it's not too complicated. I just haven't had time to bother with the Commissioner of Insurance "race" yet.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

don seriously vote against oxendine in the insurance commisioner race - dude's skeeezy, totally in pocket.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

mr. que can fill you in on the details.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

fuck, I'll just have you fill in my ballot.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

How hard is it to open the newspaper and figure out in like two seconds which lesser or two evils to vote for?

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to vote right now, and I have absolutely no clue who's running against Joe Barton or Kay Bailey Hutchison and only a vague of idea who I'm voting for in the gubernatorial race (can't justify a vote for Kinky, Chris Bell hasn't got a prayer, maybe I'll write my own damn name in). But I'll vote for them, whoever they are.

I'd vote for Stalin if you snuck him onto the ballot against Joe Barton.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

i stand before you today, my fellow ilxors, humbly asking you to join me in voting no on the city of seattle.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

um, how exactly is michael thurmond 'evil' mr. que????

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

I DON'T READ THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER.

I get the NYTimes and the WallSt. Journal delivered. I read the alterna weekly every week, which had a voting guide last week. It's sitting on my desk. It will be read. BUT PROLLY NOT UNTIL THE WEEKEND.

Jeezus, people.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

i pretty much just read juggs.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes this board is like a sick joke.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

2006 GEORGIA MIDTERM ELECTIONS

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

We ALL know why Michael Thurmond is evil

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

juggs had a very hard time figuring out who to endorse in the ga gubernatorial race!

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Barely Legal endorsed Carole Keeton-Strayhorn, that's good enough for me.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

DISAPPOINTING MILO

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

NEWSPAPER: "Candidate A prefers Wealth & Prosperity while Candidate B says that they support Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness."

THANKS, NEWSPAPER!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

John Cole, meanwhile, is pretty eloquent about how he feels right now:

I don’t know when things went south with this party (literally and figuratively- and I am sure commenters here will tell me the party has always been this bad- I disagree with that, and so do others), but for me, Terri Schiavo was the real eye-opener. Sure, the Prescription Drug Plan was hideous and still gets my blood pressure pumping, and the awful bankruptcy bill was equally bad, and there were other things that should have clued me in, but really, it was Schiavo that made me realize this party was not as advertized. And it is frustrating as hell.

What makes this even more frustrating is that not only do I feel like I have been duped, but I established a lot of friends in the right wing of the blogging community- and now I read their pages and I can’t believe what I am reading, even though I know that five years ago I probably would have been saying the same or similar things. I know many of them as people- and not just GOP parrots- having spent time working on collaborative projects with them, serving on the editorial board at Red State, appearing on radio shows with them- you name it. I have, at one point in time, defended many of them from what I perceived to be unfair attacks. So I know that by and large they are not bad people (Dan Riehl is an unmitigated asshole, however). Yet I read their pages now, and through my eyes, it looks like they are so divorced from reality it makes me question what, if anything, I ever believed in.

In short, it really sucks looking around at the wreckage that is my party and realizing that the only decent thing to do is to pull the plug on them (or help). I am not really having any fun attacking my old friends- but I don’t know how else to respond when people call decent men like Jim Webb a pervert for no other reason than to win an election. I don’t know how to react to people who think that calling anyone who disagrees with them on Iraq a “terrorist-enabler” than to swing back. I don’t know how to react to people who think that media reports of party hacks in the administration overruling scientists on issues like global warming, endangered species, intelligent design, prescription drugs, etc., are signs of… liberal media bias.

And it makes me mad. I still think of myself as a Republican- but I think the whole party has been hijacked by frauds and religionists and crooks and liars and corporate shills, and it frustrates me to no end to see my former friends enabling them, and I wonder ‘Why can’t they see what I see?” I don’t think I am crazy, I don’t think my beliefs have changed radically, and I don’t think I have been (as suggested by others) brainwashed by my commentariat.

I hate getting up in the morning, surfing the news, and finding more and more evidence that my party is nothing but a bunch of frauds. I feel like I am betraying my friends in the party and the blogosphere when I attack them, even though I believe it is they who have betrayed what ‘we’ allegedly believe in. Bush has been a terrible President. The past Congresses have been horrible- spending excessively, engaging in widespread corruption, butting in to things they should have no say in (like end of life decisions), refusing to hold this administration accountable for ANYTHING, and using wedge issues to keep themselves in power at the expense of gays, etc. And I don’t know why my friends on the right still keep fighting for these guys to stay in power. Why do they keep attacking decent people like Jim Webb- to keep this corrupt lot of fools in office? Why can’t they just admit they were sold a bill of goods and start over? Why do they want to remain in power, but without any principles? Are tax cuts that important? What is gained by keeping troops in harms way with no clear plan for victory? With no desire to change course? With our guys dying every day in what looks to be for no real good reason? Why?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

hey, do we NYers vote for some ill-qualified lightweight Republican comptroller OR the Democrat who's going to be impeached if he doesn't resign, in the hopes his appointed replacement won't be total garbage?

It is all a sick joke, btw.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

the Dem, duh

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry I just think it's a really stupid thing to complain about. Get off your ass and do something if you think it's all a sick joke. Also, it's really not that hard to read a voter's guide and come up with who you are going to vote for. Bitching about "waaaahh the system is fucked" is kind of pointless if all you're going to do is vote.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

hey, who knew that Malachy McCourt was running for governor? or that Shelly Silver's opponent was named "Michael Imperiale"?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Kerry responds

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

I'm beginning to think Kerry's remark is probably the one thing he's ever said that I feel good about loudly defending. The grandstanding by the remorseless fat pasty warmongers in response is just extra relish. I'm also sorry I ever said anything nice about John McCain.

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

if he apologizes, i'll lose any traces of respect i had left for him.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

oh, I'm voting for McCourt.

Mr. Que, I am neither charismatic enough to lead a political war against the entrenched corporate party duopoly, nor enough of a megalomaniac to think so.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

no, you can do it. go!

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Dammit, you're right. (mounts steed)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

ilx: the message board that begat a revolution.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

John Zogby says he thinks Webb's got it, and picks some bellwethers

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I go out to Walter Reed quite often and see these brave young soldiers who have served and sacrificed so much. Many of them have lost limbs, as you know. And it's a very sad thing to see. But at the same time it's very uplifting. Because these young people are so proud of what they've done... This generation of men and women who are serving in the military are the very, very, very best of us.

-- Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), campaigning for congressional candidate Peter Roskam (R). His opponent is Tammy Duckworth (D), an Iraq war veteran who lost both legs during her service.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I just got an automated pro-Hillary phone call from Robert de Niro.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

I'm beginning to think Kerry's remark is probably the one thing he's ever said that I feel good about loudly defending. The grandstanding by the remorseless fat pasty warmongers in response is just extra relish

Yes, but the problem is that Kerry suggested that only the poor and uneducated are sent to Iraq. I must hand it to him: he has a talent for morphing into Karl Rove's prototypical northeastern Democratic liberal when his party most needs him to shut the fuck up.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

if only john kerry had shown this much wrath when he was being swift-boated ... still, it's most welcome.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

oh, man - I've so learned to beware whenever John Kerry prefaces anything with "Let me make this clear."

right or wrong it really wasn't Kerry's job to make news today. I don't think he meant to, but srsly, how could you not realize that would cause the other side to go OMG L@@K DEMOCRAT WHO HATES AMERICA

and yeah, lots of the poor and uneducated are sent to Iraq. the part of MD where I'm from, its claim to fame is being home base for the unit involved in Abu Ghraib

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but my godmother's middle child, his class salutatorian, did a tour of duty in the spring of '05, so...

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

Stratfor looks at things and among other stuff thinks this should there be a House switch:

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We can expect the charges raised at these hearings to be serious, and to come from two groups. The first will be Democratic critics of the administration. These will be unimportant: Such critics, along with people like former White House security adviser Richard Clarke, already have said everything they have to say. But the second group will include another class -- former members of the administration, the military and the CIA who have, since the invasion of Iraq, broken with the administration. They have occasionally raised their voices -- as, for instance, in Bob Woodward's recent book -- but the new congressional hearings would provide a platform for systematic criticism of the administration. And many of these critics seem bruised and bitter enough to avail themselves of it.

This intersects with internal Republican politics. At this point, the Republicans are divided into two camps. There are those who align with the Bush position: that the war in Iraq made sense and that, despite mistakes, it has been prosecuted fairly well on the whole. And there are those, coalesced around Sens. Chuck Hagel and John Warner, who argue that, though the rationale for the war very well might have made sense, its prosecution by Donald Rumsfeld has led to disaster. The lines might be evenly drawn, but for the strong suspicion that Sen. John McCain is in the latter camp.

McCain clearly intends to run for president and, though he publicly shows support for Bush, there is every evidence that McCain has never forgiven him for the treatment he received in the primaries of 2000. McCain is not going to attack the president, nor does he really oppose the war in Iraq, but he has shown signs that he feels that the war has not been well prosecuted. This view, shared publicly by recently retired military commanders who served in Iraq, holds out Rumsfeld as the villain. It is not something that McCain is going to lead the charge on, but in taking down Rumsfeld, McCain would be positioned to say that he supported the war and the president -- but not his secretary of defense, who was responsible for overseeing the prosecution of the war.

From McCain's point of view, little would be more perfect than an investigation into the war by a Democrat-controlled House during which former military and Defense Department officials pounded the daylights out of Rumsfeld. This would put whole-hearted Republican supporters of the president in a tough position and give McCain -- who, as a senator, would not have to participate in the hearings -- space to defend Bush's decision but not his tactics. The hearings also would allow him to challenge Democratic front-runners (Clinton and Obama) on their credentials for waging a war. They could be maneuvered into either going too far and taking a pure anti-war stance, or into trying to craft a defense policy at which McCain could strike. To put it another way, aggressively investigating an issue like the war could wind up blowing up in the Democrats' faces, but that is so distant and subtle a possibility that we won't worry about it happening -- nor will they.

What does seem certain, however, is this: The American interest in foreign policy is about to take an investigatory turn, as in the waning days of the Vietnam War. Various congressional hearings, like those of the Church Committee, so riveted the United States in the 1970s and so tied down the policymaking bureaucracy that crafting foreign policy became almost impossible.

George W. Bush is a lame duck in the worst sense of the term. Not only are there no more elections he can influence, but he is heading into his last two years in office with terrible poll ratings. And he is likely to lose control of the House of Representatives -- a loss that will generate endless hearings and investigations on foreign policy, placing Bush and his staff on the defensive for two years. Making foreign policy in this environment will be impossible.

Following the elections, five or six months will elapse before the House Democrats get organized and have staff in place. After that, the avalanche will fall in on Bush, and 2008 presidential politics will converge with congressional investigations to overwhelm his ability to manage foreign policy. That means the president has less than half a year to get his house in order if he hopes to control the situation, or at least to manage his response.

Meanwhile, the international window of opportunity for U.S. enemies will open wider and wider.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

While scanning the FM dial, i came upon an ad on the local conservative catholic talk station that I just had to check if it was true or not.

And, of course, it is.

http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/images/ppt/pw/pg_top.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Kerry is such a dumbass. you just have to laugh

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

Stratfor obviously uses the Fox News definition of Fair and Balanced

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

And I don't like how the stratfor bit has the undercurrents of both that the critics of the occupation and/or democrats aren't "serious" and/or worth giving thought to(even tho some of them were right from the very beginning), or that investigating any of this shit will be a bad thing, cuz like it'll paralyze us from bombing more shit and sending more of our own guys to die.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

i generally appreciate them for having their own pov and presentation, but in this case saying that dem investigations are redundant is missing the main point: the investigative power that comes w/majority - they might actually find something, it's not just a rhetorical situation.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

Rofflage from Slog:

Dan Savage: Kerry might cost us another election

Kerry Stops And Eats At Dick's

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

George Allen, Chronic Expectorator

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

or spitting fetishist?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

regarding that John Cole post above, I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SHIT FOR A DOZEN YEARS, BRO. YOUR REALITY CHECK IS WAY THE FUCK OVERDUE.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

You cannot reason a man out of a position he didn't reason himself into.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

anyway, this whole john kerry thing is a tempest in a teapot. i seriously doubt that it will have any effect at all on any election anywhere.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it seemed like bullshit thing to try to base a newscycle around.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

Republicans Against the Freakshow?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

in other news

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 05:15 (nineteen years ago)

I don�t know how to react to people who think that media reports of party hacks in the administration overruling scientists on issues like global warming...

I changed my mind on global warming too when I found out that the most outspoken critic of global warming theories, Richard S. Lindzen of MIT, was actually listed as one of the scientists supporting global warming on the NAS's recent study on the subject.

Some say the most outspoken critic of global warming got on a study supportive of it because he's "secretly" supportive of the theory he publicly decries, but others say the study was just a typical example of media disinformation and not bothering to check basic facts when it didn't suit ideological purposes. If there's anything neater than the Bush administration overruling scientists I'd have to think it'd be scientific studies that overrule scientists!

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I just got an automated pro-Hillary phone call from Robert de Niro.

"This is Robert De Niro for Hillary Clinton, calling with an offer you cannot refuse..."

The whole Kerry thing is a wash - Republicans look silly for making a mountain out of a molehill, yet Kerry's responses haven't seemed very noble. He should've started by directly addressing and apologizing to the Armed Forces, explaining that his remarks were misnterpreted - but all he can offer is a defensive, "Me, I'm a veteran! I'd never insult the military!" and go off on grandstanding tirades. I assume the common military folk's take on Kerry is VINO (veteran in name only), so his comments don't do anything but incense them / reinforce their preexisting view of him.

There was an interesting documentary on CNN about Democrats and the South, and how the Dems get it wrong with the little things, e.g. Kerry went duck-hunting (to show he's one of the guys) but was filmed letting someone else carry the duck he shot, which is apparently some hunting faux pas.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

(the extra added roffle to that pic being that "irak" is a perfectly legitimate spelling, and is in fact what most of the rest of the world uses)

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno that picture's kinda depressing.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

oh for God's sake.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry fellas, he can't help you. You're fucked.

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

if you think that's depressing, please never look at pictures of casualties.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Annnd... now he apologizes. Which lets the White House issue the statement, "Sen. Kerry's apology to the troops for his insulting comments came late, but it was the right thing to do."

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

please never look at pictures of casualties.

well, shit, where are you going to find them? they don't publish 'em over here any more...

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

He apologized yesterday, though! This whole thing is stupid.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

This whole thing is stupid.

ding ding ding ding!

dan gets the dings today!

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

al jazeera, kingfish.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sick to death already of stupid douchebags saying Kerry should apologize to Our Women And Men In Uniform when he didn't insult them. The fucking Commander In Chief can't pronounce about half of what limited vocabulary he commands and can't even use people's real names when he talks to them, nobody gives him this much crap, and for another thing it's not always so OBVIOUS TO THE DIMMEST OF THE DIM what the difference is between what Dubya meant to say and what he actually means, as it is in the case with Kerry's comment. Complete bullshit. People just want to be victimized so they can whine about it and feel self-righteous. Most banal instinct in the human playbook.

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

People just want to be victimized so they can whine about it and feel self-righteous.

Basically, this is what the 00s is going to be remembered for.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Mark Steyn knows what goes on in those lib-infested salons:

If you talk to Democrats of the middle-class and upper-middle-class and (in John Heinz Kerry’s case) the neo-Gulf-emir-class, you’ll have heard the same thing a thousand times: these poor fellows in Iraq, they’re only there because they’re too poverty-stricken and ill-educated so they couldn’t become Senators and New York Times reporters and tenured Queer Studies professors like normal Americans do.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

People just want to be victimized so they can whine about it and feel self-righteous.

and when somebody actually does get victimized, like say getting bodychecked by a senator's goons, there's plenty who'll say it's proof that they deserved it

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

these poor fellows in Iraq, they’re only there because they’re too poverty-stricken and ill-educated so they couldn't buy their way out of a contract that forces them to serve as long as the Pentagon demands that they serve, no matter what, and were too cognitively deficient to figure out what a bad idea the recruiter was selling them in the first place. I'm sure most of them in Walter Reed (and the new amputation center they had to open because Walter Reed ain't big enough no more) would probably go for that Queer Studies apprenticeship in a heartbeat if it meant they could walk again or even play a fucking video game.

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

Incredibly depressing that this seemed to be the lead story on all the news networks for two days straight (even BBC News 24) - Kerry blowing a punchline to a cheap jibe at Bush and suddenly it's "Dems hate the military" and "finally some good news for the GOP ahead of Nov 7". Considering the genuinely unpleasant electioneering that's going on in various places, that this nothing of a gaffe has blown up into the talking point of the whole campaign just makes you despair.

If Ohio is still the hotspot of dubious polling, I'd like to see the GOP turn around DeWine's current 11pt deficit. I mean, I wouldn't, but the aftermath if they somehow did would be interesting. Perhaps, if there's any dodginess to be had in OH, it'll be in the four or five close House races. Surely the Dems are going to take 20-25 nationwide, though?

I keep refreshing the numbers on various sites and, like two years ago, I'm liking what I see. NJ now seems safe(r) and MO and VA have tightened to the point that they've gone the palest of blue.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

dan and tombot 1,000 OTM.

i still hold to my earlier view that the kerry kerfluffle will not be a crucial factor in ANY election. why would any swing-voter give a damn about what john kerry thinks at this point?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

...just makes you dispair.

Seriously? Despair should have set in when Foleygate opened up and it turned out that the environment crashing to pieces on the only planet we have to live on, not to mention US GDP growth slowing to 1% and some change, are nothing, NOTHING compared to the exciting prospect of having a secret fag in the house. Political discourse in this stupid illiterate overweight country was reduced to noxious, infertile sludge about forty years ago. I mean, if you're going to get upset about people's inability to discuss any issues that have any relevance to the nation's people and future, that bus done been left the station a while ago.

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

So can u guys tell I'm really pissed

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

because we voters aren't rational, and tend to vote more along perceived identity than self-interest.

And we're good at getting distracted, and tend to get the gubmint we deserve.

xp

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

So can u guys tell I'm really pissed

this kinda shit just makes me lament the fact that politics has been left to others for decades, and it always takes shit to get this bad before people have to care again.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

The line some commentators are taking is that this won't affect Dem/Rep waverers but may get the Rep core vote out to a slightly greater extent. I'm not sure what the logic is behind that assessment (perhaps: media furore reminds folks what a div Kerry is..."didn't we vote to keep him & his ilk out in 2004?"..."Sod the war, let's do it again").

(Blimey, did I really misspell "despair"? Tombot, I'll admit the only reason Stuckgate has me shouting at the TV screen [and not Foleygate] is that it stands to harm the Dems, and I don't want that. There's always this eggshell period the week before an election when things are going well when you think "Just keep it simple - no fannydangle on the edge of your own box". One slip and it's "Aha - they're unelectable!" Kinnock's Sheffield rally in '92, for example. Though that was worse than this. I mean, I know it's all bollocks.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

The kerry thing is all we'll hear about up until the 'elections.'

There will be more attacks--major GOP figures will give stump pieces--MSM will hold roundtables about it and so on and so on.

So I guess Kerry was Rove's Octoberish surprise. Fuck it all.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

So I guess Kerry was Rove's Octoberish surprise. Fuck it all.

huh? how is the guy randomly fucking up a line that these assholes are trying to spin into something else fit into anything that could be considered an october surprise? and christ, that phrase has been thrown around daily for two months now, and if the Mark Foley thing wasn't it or North Korea, nothing will be.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

So I guess Kerry was Rove's Octoberish surprise. Fuck it all.

and still, is this gunna reverse Bill Nelson's double-digit lead over Katherine Harris? Is this gunna add 15 approval points to whatever douche they found to replace Mark Foley's spot?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

is it gonna add any points to anything? is it the dumbest ever?

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

as long as Kerry keeps his mouth shut, this brouhaha has no legs.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

how is the guy randomly fucking up a line that these assholes are trying to spin into something else fit into anything that could be considered an october surprise?

well, he could've not held a press conference to go make a stink about it instead of admitting he fucked up.

he just apologized. somebody got to him. luckily. too bad they didn't yesterday..

that Drudge pic is hilarious! and I hate Drudge, but goddamn, Kerry is an ass

dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it was a good thing that he did. the same thing happened with the dick durbin thing during the summer of last year, where he apologized for something he never said just b/c enough fuckheads made noise about it. these are folks who have no problem ginning up something out of almost whole cloth to attack with.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

Absolutely the GOP are dishonest and ginning up nonsense to attack with.

But, given that to date we're unable to change their behavior and we're unable to get the news media to not behave like three year olds playing soccer.. Well, the choice is, today, do you prolong the issue by arguing about it, or do you back down for the greater good, and focus on next weeks' v crucial midterm elections? And he DID screw up by making the statement badly - I don't see the dishonor or whatever in saying, "sorry if I offended, I misspoke" when it happens to be true.

dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

he needed to move to end the story because the Dem brand now absolutely does not need John Kerry as its spokesmodel. whether he 'apologized' and how really doesn't matter.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb OTM

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

(and yet Kerry's "apology" is still the top story on cnn.com)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

the Dem brand now absolutely does not need John Kerry as its spokesmodel

oh i certainly agree with that. But i think he's handy as a draw on the campaign trail in supporting local House candidates(e.g. like Cleland, Clark, Edwards, Obama is). If you announce that he's gunna be there, people will show.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I just saw the Harris-Nelson debate. Tim Russert, ignoring Harris' kabuki makeup, nailed her regarding the if-you-vote-for-Democrats-you're-legislating-for-sin remark she made a while ago. Nelson's a stolid candidate; his record is a model of moderation, and for Florida that's more than enough. As far as I'm concerned he made Harris look like a stuttering hag.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

there weren't a lot of announcements that Kerry would be anywhere today. His "joke" was a disaster, his "apology" was a disaster, and only Kerry could give this thing legs. As I noted yesterday, the guy is a toad.

the whole incident means electorally nothing unless those krazy Netrootz want to push it down the campaign triail further.

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

(the extra added roffle to that pic being that "irak" is a perfectly legitimate spelling, and is in fact what most of the rest of the world uses)

With all due respect, let's hope that Kerry doesn't decide to point that little factoid out to any more reporters.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

All the MSM is pimping the fuck out of every imaginable Kerry angle, no matter how vaporous.

This isn't going to die.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, they'll be using this in 2008.

That kerry, he got mad skillz.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

there weren't a lot of announcements that Kerry would be anywhere today.

but there were to the effect that he was withdrawing

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

so you still think he's a great draw?

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

kerry was supposed to appear at a rally with bob casey in philadelphia tomorrow. when he cancelled that, that was the first i'd heard about him withdrawing from the public.

don OTM re the electoral effect.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

FYI, according to the WaPo,

"Earlier, Kerry canceled campaign appearances with Democratic candidates in three states to avoid becoming a 'distraction' in the run-up to the vote...

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

too bad Kerry didn't disappear after he lost a la Dukakis(massachusetts dems in pulling down national party non-shokah, see also Ted Kennedy's mortal wounding of Carter in 80)

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

It'll die pretty soon, there's nothing more to say.. except for Rick Santorum trying to get Bob Casey to repudiate Kerry's remarks, which makes Santorum look extra pathetic because everyone knows he's going to lose that race.

dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

I would like to apologize to don weiner based on the following above the fold front page picture in the Washington POst this morning. The capiton reads: HI DERE, UHHH HOW WE MAKEY ELECTION MACHINE RUNNY RUN?

Hopefully this will appear but if not it's available at this link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/01/AR2006110103212.html

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp11-1-06hh.jpg

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

We are all fucked.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

"We've made more election reform in the last six years in this country than we had in the 230 before it," said Paul S. DeGregorio, chairman of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, which was created in 2002 to help elections run smoothly.

So that's what "election reform" means...

richardk (Richard K), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

--------------------reform--------------------

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

wow, those people really aged poorly these past six years

richardk (Richard K), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

President of National Association of Evangelicals is... I don't even have to tell you, right?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

So yeah, as all the local radio folks are saying, borrow your friend's Handycam or use your digital camera or phone camera and record the button pushing, just in case.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Sabato the Soothsayer

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

the appropriate reaction is a slight uptick in sympathy for the guy now that you know he's a gay tweaker, right?

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

(the extra added roffle to that pic being that "irak" is a perfectly legitimate spelling, and is in fact what most of the rest of the world uses)

With all due respect, let's hope that Kerry doesn't decide to point that little factoid out to any more reporters.

-- Pleasant Plains /// (pleasant.plain...), November 2nd, 2006 1:03 AM. (Pleasant Plains ///) (later)

what does that have to do with kerry?! nothing.

the one good thing about all this kerry brouhaha is it means he won't run in '08, thank god.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

I almost wonder if someone associated with the Clintons publicized the Kerry remark, figuring they could take the hit with the lead the Dems have in this election and it would knock him out for '08, which would be good for everyone. I guess the Dems aren't that devious though, sadly. Still, why Kerry didn't just go into hiding immediately after the story broke is baffling--the only way to make it worse is to keep the story rolling through next week, which hopefully it won't now. Hopefully it'll die out by tonight.

So Lieberman's gonna win, huh?

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Some of the Clintonites might be that devious.

Yes, Lieberman's going to win. I think it was always clear he was - Lamont had little chance of moving enough votes from the independents & Republicans.

dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

kerry didn't have a chance in 2008, even before he made his remark. dem blogosphere hatin' on JK has been pretty commonplace since election 2004.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

more ad lolz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCqfOKYAJs&eurl=

vote curt weldon - maybe he didn't accept bribes?

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Er, not sure there's quite cause and effect there...I mean, snarkiness about the power of the blogosphere aside, people were asking Gore if he was gonna run a few months ago, and he was not too well-liked in 2001.

Anyway, Kerry thought he had a chance, so he was going to make a shot at it and say more of these sort of dumbass things that would color public perception of the Dems. He's like the alcoholic uncle you just want to stay in the house and not embarass you in public.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Zogby phone poll suggests McCaskill and Webb edges are real, as are the Ford Fade and Tester Tightness

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

As politically idiotic as Kerry's "joke" was, isn't it something that we've all thought in private or even (as non-public figures) spoken aloud? I mean, does anyone contest that military recruitment sometimes is an option of last resort for those without other career options - often because of disadvantaged backgrounds and poor academic performance?

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW, obama is appearing with menendez today in hoboken (@ 5PM). barring any last minute surprises, it looks like menendez has it in the bag here.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Yeah but the way he phrased it made it sound like it was a consequence of being lazy and not studying rather than being born into poverty.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Go Jon Tester, well described by somebody else as the guy with the Johnny Unitas haircut that you can set your watch by. I can't find the vid of their debate where Conrad Burns is ranting about the President's Secret Plan to End the War, so i'll post this photo:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ea/John_Tester.jpg/300px-John_Tester.jpg

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Essentially he did a disservice to what the real issue here is. (poverty having more to do with getting you "stuck in Iraq")

xpost

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

As politically idiotic as Kerry's "joke" was, isn't it something that we've all thought in private or even (as non-public figures) spoken aloud? I mean, does anyone contest that military recruitment sometimes is an option of last resort for those without other career options - often because of disadvantaged backgrounds and poor academic performance?

yes, but it already fit in w/ the common media narrative (and popular perceptions) of kerry -- the whole "elitist northeastern/massachusetts frenchy-lovin' limo-lib" thing that bushco beat into the ground 2 years ago. which, coincidentally, is the same reason why i don't think it will make any real difference election-wise -- kerry was acting "true to form SHOCKAH!!" in the eyes of many. it isn't as "shocking" as if, say, barack obama or sherrod brown had said the same thing.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but the way he phrased it made it sound like it was a consequence of being lazy and not studying rather than being born into poverty.

I agree that the way he phrased it and especially the audience to whom he was speaking made it a completely inappropriate statement (though perhaps many of us would have found it more amusing if it had been spoken by Steve Colbert or Sean Penn or someone from whom we expect this sort of politcally-incorrect outrageous behavior, rather than a known buffoon who's known for snatching political defeat from the jaws of victory). But I'm just saying that even taking economic disadvantage into account doesn't rule out laziness and not studying hard as contributing factors (though perhaps it's not polite to say so).

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

someone thinks kerry is fun-lovin?

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

xpost I think the idea is that it's going to goad GOP turnout, not that it's going to switch people's votes.

I don't really know of anyone who's dropped out of school and had to go to Iraq, I only know people who couldn't afford college and so joined the military, but maybe you do.

When Colbert says things they're intended to be taken as humorous exaggerations of reality. Not so much with actual politicians. (Exaggerations, yes, humorous, no.)

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

(Joined the military in order to get college scholarships, to be more precise.)

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, I want to expect the best of everyone too, and not to impugn the noble motives of anyone who might have joined the military, but you know, fact is, human nature being what it is, that sometimes people make poor choices early in life, such choices sometimes involving blowing off school, and later these could come back to haunt them if they find certain career options more limited than perhaps they might have hoped. Life sucks that way.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure the "fucked by birth" outnumber the "fuckups" in terms of military enrollment, but there probably aren't statistics on that.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

And, of course, those are all outnumbered by people who just love their country so goddamn much. (Hi Freepers!)

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

we don't have a Volkstrumm(or even a Volkssturm) yet, but just give it time.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

not surprising perhaps, but senator man-on-dog seems to think that he can get some juice from the kerry flap. even if that is true, it wouldn't help since santorum has been behind casey by 10+ percentage points since this summer.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/11/the_kerry_gaffe.html

Sullivan decides Kerry meant something other than what he said. And when he said that he love you he meant that he love you foreVAH.

J (Jay), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know if this should go in this thread or in the Iraq one, but dig this: one of the candidates(a Democrat, natch) for the Oregon State Senate is being called up for Nat'l Guard deployment to Afghanistan.

Apparently, the sched should work out so he'll be home by the time the next session starts, assuming no stop-loss bullshit goes on.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmxpX6I0qQE&eurl=

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

More voting machine fun.

A more detailed but crazier-sounding take.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

oh, that youtube video is a treat! hahaha

dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, more political adverts need looped beats

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

oh goodie:

A Republican congressman accused of abusing his ex-mistress agreed to pay her about $500,000 in a settlement last year that contained a powerful incentive for her to keep quiet until after Election Day...

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think that Dems feeling a blush of perkiness at their prospects should perhaps look backwards to see where Rove is.

In short, I'm thinking his strategy is all post-'election'. Demanding recounts, claiming tampering and so on in close races. In a pinch, the Supreme Court is always there.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

Somehow it doesn't seem like Rove's style to go too hard with the post-election stuff -- I have a feeling he's more interested in plotting a way to turn this momentum back against the dems in '08. Given the current world and national situtation, I think he has a good chance of doing that.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

I don't but I have a different take on the matter entirely.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:11 (nineteen years ago)

Which is?

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 3 November 2006 07:30 (nineteen years ago)

Kerry is going to stick kiwi fruit up his hole a la Karen Finley

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Friday, 3 November 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

I have a feeling he's more interested in plotting a way to turn this momentum back against the dems in '08.

Yes, I agree. I don't think he'd do anything post-election. I despise the guy but it's smart that he doesn't get stuck in the past (another big advantage they had over Kerry in 04.. Kerry always wanting to debate what went on yesterday, or several decades ago..).

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.pop-arena.com/articles/akbar/akbar1.jpg
"It's a trap!"

I could be overestimating Rove here. 2 years is not very long and Bush will still be in office to fuck up and look even more pointless when faced with a (hopefully) Democratic congress.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

more likely this is the beginning of the end for rove as republicans blame him and bush for the spot they're in. even the media (his biggest fans) have been questioning his omniscience of late.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Somehow it doesn't seem like Rove's style to go too hard with the post-election stuff -- I have a feeling he's more interested in plotting a way to turn this momentum back against the dems in '08. Given the current world and national situtation, I think he has a good chance of doing that.
-- A-ron Hubbard (Hurtingchie...), November 3rd, 2006.

I don't but I have a different take on the matter entirely.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), November 3rd, 2006.

Which is?
-- Grey, Ian (igre...), November 3rd, 2006.

and then from donate to make ilx zoom:

Is Raggett running with Perry in '08?
-- Billy Dods (butterbubble...), November 2nd, 2006.

I'm his Karl Rove (ie, a purported genius who in all honesty knows jack shit).
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), November 2nd, 2006.

i detectivfied it!

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

In short, I'm thinking his strategy is all post-'election'. Demanding recounts, claiming tampering and so on in close races

looks like Rove was beaten to the punch by this strategy.

don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/cover_11-20-06.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

FOUR BUCKS for that rag?!

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime, I'm more cautiously (*very* cautiously) optimistic than I've been in a while. Examples:

Pryce goes nuts.

Some solid Democrat Senate leads -- and this is from the NRO! Couple of too close to call ones but even so.

Lowry over there posting this:

Was just talking to a Republican strategist who still does not rule out holding the House, but thinks it's looking unlikely at this point and says, "it's easy to get to 22" in terms of Dem pick-ups.

Earlier he also posted this:

From a well-informed e-mailer on this post from yesterday:

"Read your latest dispatch on House races. The Republicans put a lot of lipstick on the pig."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

"Thanks, I'm done," Pryce said. She expressed frustration and walked away saying, "Maybe we'll call you later when I'm feeling better."

In a statement issued to CNN later, Pryce finished her response, writing, "What's happening in Iraq is not a direct reflection on me."


hahaha. "Can't talk right now; kinda down. Go away."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

"Them guys is pickin' gnat shit outta pepper."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

22 is my number as well. i could see 18. i could see 29. i fear 12. i hope for over 40.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

watched the hbo vote fixing doc last night, scary! particularly that these kinda normal people w/no particular expertise went around digging through the trash, finding records of misbehavior. the overall impression is that no one is paying any attention. doesn't even seem like anyone (election workers, voting machine companies) are trying to cover their tracks very well.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

oh man, I seriously want to see a sincere interpretation of the astrological chart from the top of this thread.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the lines in the center *are* all red and blue, so...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

no you don't, elmo. have you ever read vic's old posts that were like 18 paragraphs of that? eye bleeding.

FACTS: I'M A WAITER (TOMBOT), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Any virginians in here? What do you think the chances are of a Webb victory? I am extremely apprehensive about developing any sense of optimism, but can't help remembering the governorship race. I thought for sure Kaine would lose to Kilgore, but he ended up getting a 10% advantage. Or so I've been told.

Benjamin H (BillMartini), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

Webb v likely to win, I'd say
has the momentum, the $$$, and the GOTV operation

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Neat piece here from the National Interest about how the next two years will be dominated by nothing so much as a battle of narratives.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

Kaine-Kilgore wasn't as tight as this one is. I'm optimistic, but it's very close.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

that Nat'l Interest piece is great

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

and for your other paranoid, not-so-crypto racist rantings, there was an event in SE Missouri with Jim Talent & Mike Dewine, going on about how those pagan brown muslims are gon' take over america and savagely sodomize your daughters:
Clippard reserved his strongest words for what he said he considered paramount for all Americans: the threat of Islam. "Today, Islam has a strategic plan to defeat and occupy America," he told the 1,200-strong crowd of delegates (called "messengers"), pastors and lay people, many of whom cheered his words.

Clippard said the Saudi Arabian government and royal family had funded teaching positions and 138 Muslim student centers on university campuses across the United States, three in the University of Missouri system in Columbia, Rolla and St. Louis. "What they are after is your sons and daughters," Clippard said. "They are coming to this country in the guise of students, and the Saudi government is paying their expenses."

[...]

Clippard said that Muslims were hoping to take over the United States government one city at a time, and that they were starting with Detroit, where there is already a large Muslim population.

"They are trying to establish a Muslim state inside America, and they are going to take the city of Detroit back to the 15th century and practice Sharia (or Islamic) law there."

In an interview Tuesday, Clippard said he believed the Islamic "strategy for taking over America" was to wait until there was a Muslim majority here and then "eradicate those who don't conform to their religion."

On Monday night, he told the crowd that "your freedom is on the floor with their foot on it, with their sword raised, and if you don't convert, your head comes off..."


aaaaaaaaand the punchline:

Clippard said Tuesday that his message was really about love.

"I don't hate Islamic people," he said. "We need to love these folks, go after them and love them, one at a time. We need to crucify them with Christ."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

anyone see that thing on the Daily Show about how Webb's name is going to appear as Jim J Jim on many electronic voting machines?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

NRO (via Kos):
>>Latest source of GOP worry in VA [Rich Lowry]
It's going the rounds that Allen's ground operation has been neglected and is not up to snuff.

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

aww poor widdew Wieberman can't understand why his fellow Democrats won't forgive him for deserting the party: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_el_se/connecticut_senate_7

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

"They are trying to establish a Muslim state inside America, and they are going to take the city of Detroit back to the 15th century and practice Sharia (or Islamic) law there."

Detroit was Muslim in the 15th Century?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 4 November 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

I think Detroit's about due for a Renaissance.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 4 November 2006 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

Also, it's Dearborn, not Detroit, so presumably they're going to make Windy & Carlos sell only sufi music in their record shop.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:12 (nineteen years ago)

detroit could use some muslim action, or something.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

So here's a question -- as this story notes, sounds like the GOP are trying to cling to an 'but the economy's good!' attitude, which personally I think is a flawed assumption through and through but that's another matter. Question is, is this even a hot-button issue in most areas? I understand its importance for Michigan, say, but I'm not sure about it as a national focus at all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime:

The Gatlin Brothers finished singing, and Larry Gatlin took the microphone to warm up the crowd for his old friend from West Texas. A little red meat never hurt a few days before an election. "I tell ya what," Gatlin told thousands of cheering Republicans, "we're gonna git Osama!"

Instead of Special Forces, though, out onto the stage bounded Louie the Cardinal and Fetch the Dog, presumably to keep the audience entertained for a few more minutes rather than to hunt down the world's most dangerous terrorist. After the Springfield Cardinals mascots finished handing out T-shirts, the loudspeakers blasted out that well-known Republican anthem "We're Not Gonna Take It," by Twisted Sister.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

"we're gonna git Osama!"

with what?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Asshats?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

worn by whom?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

it really is the ultimate anthem for the resentment party. I think the Western tour is mostly about denial, but it seems to have helped a bit in Montana.

in other news, kos has written off DLC Harold Ford at the first sign of trouble, and is telling people to focus instead on AZ's Jim Pederson, who has never broken 45% in a single poll.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

i think that all hilariously over-patriotic events should involve scantily clad cheerleader types and cartoon mascots blasting the t-shirt bazooka into crowds.

"Awww man, i only got a Medium!"

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering when the Republican were actually going to latch on to the powerful yet completely concidental rising of the Dow for their election campaign, which would been just as disingenuous as any of their other tactics, but might have, you know, actually worked for them.

I'm glad they didn't, personally. A rising Dow doesn't even necessarily mean that the economy is "doing great" even, but swing voters wouldn't know the difference and they would have eaten it up good.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

One of may reasons I agree with Ned re: Rove not really knowing jack shit, but just being this Emperor Has No Clothes "genius" for the Republicans.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'm persuaded by these guys. As is Michiko.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

The reality is, though, that Bush and Rove, as a team, have never lost to Democrats, and their wins in 2002 and 2004 defied the odds in many ways.

Hardly. Halperin, sweetly partisan hack that he is, is grasping at straws to try and make himself feel better. 2002 was probably going to swing more GOP no matter what, sadly (9/11 barely a year old, Iraq in the 'cakewalk' planning stages, etc.), and 2004 was another just barely victory thanks in part to another terrible Democrat candidate that rode some honest energy while never providing any -- for all his faults, Bush at least has a sense of what makes a campaign trail, and Rove ain't the one up there talking all the time. In both cases Rove was lucky in his opponents and the larger situation. Now he's being called Pollyannaish by a slew of his regular water carriers.

I will not be relaxed until the day after the election at the least, if I am going to be relaxed at all. But this paper tiger is just that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm probably too close for perspective, but I think claire's got the momentum.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think that Halperin is a partisan or a hack, and have found the book, which I'm halfway through, under-edited but illuminating. If he leans one way outside of his job, I'm (not certain but) fairly sure it's to the (moderate) left. He gets read a lot the other way, especially by the liberal blogosphere (but on both sides), but I think that insecurity is one of the major driving forces in the liberal blogosphere, and this is no exception. kos and company are currently on a mission to portray him as this sort of sad, sycophantish character who's run off to the right-wing media begging for approval, but I read his appeals to the right to read his book the same way the right seems to - as semi-condescending appeals from the center/other side - and see the left's misreading of him as the really sad story.

I don't think momentum exists in MO. I err on Claire's side, but it's really like 51-49, I think.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

yeah momentum in this case = .25 or something.

I linked this before but I'm addicted.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think that Halperin is a partisan or a hack

After that ridiculous exchange with Hewitt, I am not inclined to spare any kind thoughts on him.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

Just a note:

All the asshattery around the Kerry quote wasn't meant to convince any voters to switch to the Republicans. Rather it was an attempt to rouse their zombie base into voting once more for their corrupt overlords - instead of curling up on a couch with their thumbs in their mouths, which is what they most likely will do anyway, as the Kerry quote wasn't exactly the sort of bait that was needed to offset the avalanche of bad feelings about the Iraq war, Katrina, and the 40,000 news stories detailing the rampant, flaming corruption under Bush.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

x-post -- That said, Gabbneb, if you'd like something more concrete -- what I read in Halperin's bit here:

"people who live in Bethesda, Chevy Chase, and Manhattan should understand that in much of red America, Rove is beloved and respected"

...is essentially "One stereotype of a group of people should be aware of another stereotype of a group of people." WOWZERS SIGN ME UP FOR YOUR EXPLICATION OF GRAND LOGIC PLZ.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

"He's a country type, she's a city type, CAN THEY GET ALONG IN THE SUBURBS?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://einsiders.com/submit/images/dharma&greg_season1.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

After that ridiculous exchange with Hewitt, I am not inclined to spare any kind thoughts on him.

OTM. Halperin's a douche.

J (Jay), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/ob.jpg Meanwhile, good ol' Fox News gets to rev up the terra drive with an almost-good-enough-for-Lifetime polemic called "Obsession: The Threat of Radical Islam." They're running this at least 5 times over the next 36 hours.

Of course, Nazi Germany did not train children in the use of suicide belts, as the Islamic fascists do. But manipulating the pliant minds of youth toward fanatical hatred employs the same techniques. Unlike our confrontation with Nazi Germany, the current crisis may be worse...

[...]

Thus, it may well be that today’s fascists are a far greater threat to the free world than the fascists of yesteryear.

b/c, as many have noted, the wartime production of these evildoers obviously outclasses anything ever assembled by the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Kreigsmarine, Imperial Navy, et al combined, not to mention the Soviet Army, the fact that they really did have warheads on Cuba, etc.

Unlike our confrontation with Nazi Germany, the current crisis may be worse for two reasons: First, Adolph Hitler, for all his charisma, did not rely on the power of pure religious faith to compel his followers.

Uhm...except for that whole Deutsche Christen thing.

Oh yeah, this thing debuted last year at the rightwing film festival, run by a site where the authors use a pic of Harry Lime, which is a curious championing by a really conservative site of either a hollywood liberal or a craven war profiteer.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

I think the thing about the elections I've idly noticed via a limited sample of many often obscure blogs is this -- I keep stumbling across people who talk about how they were solidly GOP voters for many years, but how they have concluded, sometimes reluctantly, that they must switch or abstain or vote for a third party because they cannot support the party as it stands. This is often without any dramatics, and sometimes can hinge on a single issue or two, but it keeps coming up.

I might not have seen it anywhere, but I can't name a single blogger for this election saying, "I used to vote Democrat all this time but now I can't, and will therefore vote GOP or abstain or vote for a third party."

I suspect this kind of internal decision making is being played out more broadly than anyone realizes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, and for what it's worth, there's a lot of call-ins to Ed Schultz & Thom Hartmann's shows to the same effect, that people is pissed this time 'round, and drummin' up the fear & loathing against the gayes and the brown people comin' over/up here ain't working.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

jesus gabbneb if you don't think Halperin is a hack, there is no fucking hope for you.

ken noizewater, field researcher: capitools division (Pareene), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

After that ridiculous exchange with Hewitt, I am not inclined to spare any kind thoughts on him.

that's exactly what I'm referring to. kos and atrios &c read that and think omg he's begging to be thought of well by them (with a sideline in his purported need to be accepted by the non-radical goys)! i read it and think, no he's not, he's buttering them up so they read his book. that book, he thinks, will tell them how to win better, but it also seeks to persuade them (and everyone else) of the longerm superiority of a political style that favors democrats (or at least doesn't favor republicans). to the extent he has something personally invested in this, it's in favor of something that might be naive (which he recognizes), but is also explicitly contrary to how Rove does things. he says this more explicitly here.

I don't regard Rove as a "genius," but Halperin and co persuade that he's at least smart in a way that the Dems have not been (until recently), no matter the landscape favoring the GOP in 02 or the candidate sucking in 04.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

whether he's conservative or not doesn't matter. the man is a fucking talentless sycophant.

""Matt Drudge is the gatekeeper... he is the Walter Cronkite of his era." "Matt Drudge is the gatekeeper... he is the Walter Cronkite of his era." "Matt Drudge is the gatekeeper... he is the Walter Cronkite of his era." "Matt Drudge is the gatekeeper... he is the Walter Cronkite of his era." "Matt Drudge is the gatekeeper... he is the Walter Cronkite of his era." "Matt Drudge is the gatekeeper... he is the Walter Cronkite of his era." "Matt Drudge is the gatekeeper... he is the Walter Cronkite of his era." "Matt Drudge is the gatekeeper... he is the Walter Cronkite of his era."

ken noizewater, field researcher: capitools division (Pareene), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

he's buttering them up so they read his book

Gabbneb, this is HUGH HEWITT we're talking about. The man exudes so much oil from his own skin given his power-worshipping/never-admit-wrong stance towards every last GOP leader he has on the air that trying to butter *him* up is like selling ice to Eskimoes ten times over. His internal reaction was probably "Well how NICE that you appreciate me for the true genius of political thought that I am, you leftist scum."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

who cares what he thinks. he's got readers, right?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Give me a reflex hammer, someone.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Gabbneb, you're embarrassing yourself.

J (Jay), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Did you guys ever hear Hewitt's, um, uncivil interview with Andrew Sullivan last week? Sully whacked him with a club from the onset ("You're not a fair questioner. Never have been."), but let his temper overwhelm his reason; he really should have knocked Hewitt out.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, shit, if that's the type of reasoning Halperin's using about marketing his book, then why on earth would I trust what he's got to say about politics? "Buttering up" Hewitt to get to his readers is *transparently* stupid.

J (Jay), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, dude, i don't embarrass

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

mark halperin?http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2461/dcho2.jpg

dar1a g (daria g), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Curious? What would be your reaction if the election comes and goes and despite everything, the GOP keeps a majority in both houses?

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Saturday, 4 November 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Lack of surprise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah totally, lack of surprise. A quick murder spree. More of a murder jaunt, really. I can't get it up for midterms anymore.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 4 November 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna say 232-203 to the Dems in the House and 51-49 to the GOP in the Senate. I think the Dems need to gain VA, MO and MT (the states that no one is calling) and I think they'll lose two of three (just because the Dems winning a majority of the statistical ties seems too good to be true). TN seems to be slipping away, but MD is supposedly getting uncomfortably tight. The worry is, of course, that the Dems make six pick-ups but lose an incumbent unexpectedly.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

Feinstein's going down! Oh wait.

You are right that a lot of the talk is exclusively over which GOP incumbents get out rather than which Democratic ones do. Be interesting to see how that plays out. (Where are you counting Lieberman in your 51/49 split, BTW?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and regarding my only source of anecdotal evidence (the in-laws), Mr B has switched allegiance to the Democrats in the last 2-3 years (a growing personal loathing of Bush & Cheney, Iraq, Katrina) and Mrs B has always voted Dem but this time thinks "it's probably not worth it cos the Reps will find another way to rig the results". They live in Virginia. I think Pam convinced her to vote on Tuesday.

Ned: ok, 51-48-1. Doesn't really matter, does it? If the Dems do take those three key states (I must resist the impulse to call them "marginals" after all the confusion last time!), Leiberman will give the Dems their majority. Unless there's some precedent preventing a Dem-leaning independent doing that.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

None to my knowledge!

Interesting article about something I was wondering about -- namely, the senior vote.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

Desperate, indeed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately, Whitehouse has lost some ground in RI and I think it's anybody's race at this point:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2006/11/05/poll_chafee_appears_to_gain_ground_in_rhode_island_senate_race/

Which is mostly due to this late-breaking development:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2006/11/01/roger_williams_doctor_criticizes_whitehouse/

Doesn't mean a lot outside RI but the Roger Williams scandal is a pretty frequent headline here. There was a fairly damning story that ran on the front page of the Providence Journal on Friday.

Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

The damning story below. Basically the whistle-blower had it written into his severence agreement not to criticize Whitehouse. Nothing overtly criminal here but it makes Whitehouse sound like a dirty politician (there's a lot of things you can say about Chafee but being crooked isn't one of them).

Doctor unveils deal to not fault hospital or Whitehouse
Saturday, November 4, 2006

By Katherine Gregg
Journal State House Bureau


WARWICK — The doctor who was fired by Roger Williams Medical Center after blowing the whistle on then-hospital president Robert Urciuoli’s expense-account abuses and camouflaged hiring of a state senator, yesterday made public a severance agreement offering him $184,994 on the condition that he not criticize the hospital or then-Attorney General Sheldon Whitehouse’s handling of the case.

More specifically, the Feb. 17, 2000, agreement brought to light by Dr. Philip O’Dowd at a joint news conference yesterday with U.S. Sen. Lincoln D. Chafee, said:

“Dr. O’Dowd agrees that if the Rhode Island attorney general negotiates or enters into an agreement with Mr. Robert Urciuoli or the Hospital with respect to certain issues … Dr. O’Dowd shall not comment upon or criticize the terms, conditions or circumstances leading to … such an agreement or the conduct of the negotiations.”

Coming to light in the closing days of Democrat Whitehouse’s campaign to unseat Republican Chafee, the don’t-talk clause was immediately seized upon by Chafee as evidence that Whitehouse had “cut a deal” to “muzzle” a whistleblower.

The doctor – and Chafee – called it significant that Whitehouse publicly announced a financial settlement with Urciuoli on March 2, 2000, little more than two weeks after O’Dowd, who had been pressing him to launch a criminal investigation – and threatening to “bark like a dog, and squeal like a pig” if he did not – signed the severance agreement. Neither Chafee nor O’Dowd had proof that Whitehouse had a direct role in crafting the agreement. But Chafee said: “The timeline just supports the allegation that as soon as the whistleblower, the good doctor trying to look out for the nonprofit institution … is muzzled, the attorney general is free to announce his civil settlement.”

After days of ignoring Chafee’s comments about his alleged mishandling of this and other cases – including a judge’s disqualification of the wiretap evidence gathered on Whitehouse’s watch against a former Lincoln town administrator accused of bribery – the Whitehouse campaign issued this statement slamming Chafee for raising what were characterized as false and irrelevant issues in a campaign of national significance:

“We’re at war, seniors are hurting, but Lincoln Chafee refuses to address these issues and instead has chosen to base his campaign on a series of baseless, negative attacks.”

Whitehouse campaign spokeswoman Alex Swartsel cited Whitehouse’s role in getting Urciuoli to repay the hospital the $85,000 cost of an investigation conducted by a private Boston law firm hired by the hospital’s trustees to look into Urciuoli’s expense-account abuses. She also cited a letter in which the hospital board’s six-member executive committee told the attorney general that while Urciuoli used poor judgment, it did not believe criminal prosecution would be “in the hospital’s best interest.”

In other words, Swartsel argued, “the hospital, the alleged victim of Mr. Urciuoli’s misuse of expense account funds, did not intend either to fire Mr. Urciuoli or press charges, effectively disabling any potential criminal prosecution.”

As for the severance agreement, she said confidentiality clauses were “not unusual.”

But, in this case, she said: “The attorney general’s office was not a party to that agreement, did not enter into it, was not involved in creating it, is not bound by it, and has nothing to do with it. The agreement in no way suggests that Sheldon Whitehouse personally is shielded from criticism by Dr. O’Dowd, and for Lincoln Chafee’s campaign to make such an allegation is irresponsible.”

Urciuoli was convicted last month of federal corruption charges that he put a state senator, John A. Celona, on the hospital’s payroll for his political influence.

The conviction, on the day of the first Chafee-Whitehouse debate, led Chafee to step up his attacks on Whitehouse for not aggressively pursuing the Roger Williams allegations. In response, Whitehouse produced a letter in which the hospital’s executive committee said, in part: “While the committee recognizes that the Department of Attorney General has a distinctly different decision-making process, we respectfully believe that a criminal prosecution of this matter is not in the best interests of the hospital.”

O’Dowd said he went public with his criticism of Whitehouse for the first time earlier this week at risk of losing his severance pay – because Whitehouse “misrepresents the case when he said the hospital told him not to pursue criminal charges. It was the board of cronies that told him that.”

The letter was signed by 6 of the 20 board members. O’Dowd, who was on the board and was president of the medical staff at the time, said the rest of the board never saw the letter or the review by the Boston law firm Goodwin Proctor & Hoar that precipitated it.

The review found that Urciuoli had not only misspent thousands of dollars on golf trips, family dinners and stays in luxurious hotels such as The Breakers in Palm Beach, Fla., but may have also committed "a serious fraud" upon the hospital, when he billed $5,998 for an eight-day sojourn to the Scottsdale Princess Resort in Arizona for a nonexistent health-care conference.

O’Dowd said he visited Whitehouse three times with folders of evidence. He said he suggested that Whitehouse might have a conflict, since Urciuoli was married to the sister of former Providence Mayor Joseph R. Paolino Jr., and a leading Urciuoli defender on the hospital board was former Lt. Gov. Richard A. Licht, another prominent Democrat.

He said Whitehouse listened politely, but “hardly said a word.”

Just before he left the last time, O’Dowd recalled saying: “If you don’t prosecute this in the criminal arena, when you announce your decision, I am going to bark like a dog and squeal like a pig. I am going to try to get every TV camera and every radio person and every print journalist in town and I am going to make the arguments to them that I am making to you. This won’t go away. I’m stubborn. I’m right.”

O’Dowd said his term on the hospital board ended Dec. 31, 1999, and he was fired days later.

He said the cited reason was anger-management problems, but he viewed his dismissal as punishment for pursuing a criminal case against Urciuoli. Asked yesterday whether he had anger issues, he said: “I did have anger-management problems. I was very angry at the management.”

O’Dowd would not identify his lawyer. But state Democratic Party Chairman William Lynch acknowledged yesterday that he represented the doctor at the time.

He would not comment on how the attorney-general shield clause made it into the agreement. But speaking as party chairman, he said: “I think Linc Chafee is doing what he has been increasingly doing as he’s gotten more and more desperate as Election Day approaches – and that is saying or doing anything to try to impugn Sheldon Whitehouse, and at the same time distract people in Rhode Island from the real issue, which is changing who runs the Senate in Washington.”

Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

a list of poll closing times and races. here's a more annotated version, with link to result pages.

also, time to be the ham not the eggs dip a (perhaps slightly optimistic) toe in the water and make some predictions. I split the Hourse races into tiers according to the size of the wave, but added arrows for races I think might fall out of the wave in either direction (a for a race that might be more), and pluses for races in which I think the Dem matches up well personally, and tildes for races in which I think the GOPer does.

if it's a 15-foot wave, I say we take...

AZ-8 (open)+
CO-7 (open)+
CT-4 (Shays) >
CT-5 (Johnson)+
FL-13 (open) >
IN-2 (Chocola)+
IN-8 (Hostettler)+
IA-1 (open)+
IN-9 (Sodrel) >
NM-1 (Wilson) >
NY-24 (open)+
NC-11 (Taylor)+
OH-15 (Pryce)
OH-18 (open)+
PA-7 (Weldon)+
PA-8 (Fitzpatrick) >
PA-10 (Sherwood)+
TX-22 (open) >+

if it's a 25-foot wave, I say we have a good chance of taking...

AZ-5 (Hayworth)+
CA-11 (Pombo) >+
CO-4 (Musgrave) >
CT-2 (Simmons)~
FL-16 (open)+
FL-22 (Shaw)+
IL-6 (open)
KY-3 (Northup) >~
KY-4 (Davis) >+
MN-1 (Gutknecht) >+
MN-6 (open)~
NH-2 (Bass)
NY-20 (Sweeney)+
OH-1 (Chabot) >+
OH-2 (Schmidt) >
PA-4 (Hart) >
PA-6 (Gerlach) <
VA-2 (Drake) >
WA-8 (Reichert) >~
WI-8 (open)

if it's a 30-foot wave, I say we can take...
AZ-1 (Renzi)
CA-4 (Doolittle) >
IA-2 (Leach) >~
ID-1 (open) >+
KS-2 (Ryun)
NC-8 (Hayes) >
NJ-7 (Ferguson)
NY-19 (Kelly)~
NY-25 (Walsh)+
NY-26 (Reynolds) <~
NY-29 (Kuhl)~
OH-12 (Tiberi)
TX-23 (Bonilla) >
WY-AL (Cubin)+

if the wave goes beyond that, things are too unpredictable to forecast but i'd say both that you have to favor the more experienced (incumbent) candidate and that each side has a serious surfer or two...
CA-50 (Bilbray)~
CO-5 (open)*
IL-10 (Kirk)
IN-3 (Souder)
KY-2 (Lewis)
MI-7 (open)
MN-2 (Kline)~
NE-1 (Fortenberry)
NE-3 (open)*
NV-2 (open)
NV-3 (Porter)
NY-3 (King)~
NY-13 (Fossella)
PA-18 (Murphy)
VA-10 (Wolf) <
WA-5 (McMorris)

if I have to pick one totally crazy longshot that's flying under everyone's radar, it's Charlie Stuart over Ric Keller in Florida's 8th

ultimately, i'm betting on a 25-foot wave, or a pickup of about 38 seats, and think 45+ is a fantasy. if it comes down to individual races, I'm sticking with 22 +/- 2.

in the Senate, there are too many balls in play to really predict. I think Webb takes VA by a hair, but I'm not very confident there. In MO, I think it's a very slim McCaskill lead plus the Dem climate working against the GOP turnout program and funny business (this will be ground zero on the Senate side; on the House side, I'm looking at OH and FL, surprise surprise), and while i do think we have the edge, I'm uncomfortable saying we're better than 50-50 against the court/media fight that follows from a tie. I also wouldn't be hugely surprised if MT (or RI) slipped away, but I think we've still got some comfort there. A Snowe defection (in the event of a Dem cleanup in the Northeast?) is probably too much to hope for, but also not entirely out of the question (what about Snowe and Lieberman (and Chafee? and more?) as I's who caucus with D's?). Nor is a Ford win, though I've largely written that race off. Ultimately, I think the Dems end up somewhere between 50 and 51, and whether we break the tie remains unclear for a while, but I'm not ruling out 49.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 5 November 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

arg, that should be
< = more wave-susceptible
> = less

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 5 November 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

It will be a 25 foot wave, but I'm thinking it will be a pickup along the lines of 30 seats for Dems in the House. A wave that big will probably be big enough to add enough collateral damage in the Senate, and here's what I think: Dems will win MD, MO, NJ, OH, PA, RI, and VA.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb, what do you think of don weiner's prediction? i need to know exactly what won't happen on tuesday.

ken noizewater, field researcher: capitools division (Pareene), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

we'll only tell you if you make anthony easton a full-time wonkette operative, w/ weekly column.

and he gets to interview pat buchanan.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

roughly in agreement w/ gabb and don -- w/ the possible exception of tennessee (though i think even money's on ford losing). dunno why the folks at kos think that AZ is going to go Dem -- i don't see it at all (though i'd love to be proven wrong).

i'm a little surprised that menendez has pulled away here in NJ -- though i wouldn't be shocked if there's a combo of a "wilder effect" (i.e., suburban soccer-moms and preppy-dads deciding at the last minute to not vote for a latino) or the "hudson county effect" (again, in the suburbs). i still think menendez will eke out a win.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

been seeing lieberman commercials this weekend, and goddamn do they inspire me to wanna pull an elvis. too bad i don't have a gun.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

It would have to be a veritable Kristin Hersh of waves to knock off Bonilla. I haven't seen any polls or thinking that Rodriguez or the other five challengers are anywhere close to him. Disarray saves that seat for the GOP.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I think a wave could force a runoff, but I seriously doubt there's any chance of Bonilla losing.

i'm a little surprised that menendez has pulled away here in NJ

the state's just too Democratic (and Kean's just a tad too young - he should have gone for the House first). the Torch lost because he really was a crook, but the GOP is lost statewide in NJ until they put a major, moderate Northeasterner on a national ticket.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

It would have to be a veritable Kristin Hersh of waves to knock off Bonilla.

I resisted referring to Peahi, etc. Don't think that's in the cards (nor is Scott Kleeb quite a Laird Hamilton).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

No way was Menendez going to lose. Ford will lose in TN, and then everyone can act relieved that a fake pro-lifer won't be a part of the Democratically-controlled Senate.

nice Hersh reference. I dig her Milo.


the Torch lost because he really was a crook

I didn't realize we had to dumb things down this much, but then I have to remember that people like Alcee Hastings et al are still very much alive and serving The People.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

Dems will win MD, MO, NJ, OH, PA, RI, and VA

yeah, I think that's entirely possible, given that Bush is less popular in MO and VA than he is in NH, but is still at 50% in MT, GOP'ers started coming home to Burns as soon as they trotted "liberal" out, Schweitzer isn't being very convincing in the closing days, and I'm a huge David Sirota skeptic. But while the polls do show Burns consolidating his support, they don't show him uncomfortably close to the 50% mark. I think Tester still has a real (if very small) lead, and enough GOP'ers stay home on Tuesday to give him the edge.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

(and MT is going to be a lot more wont to vote against Dem control of the Senate than MO or VA)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

oh, and I totally put Fitzpatrick (PA-8) in the wrong tier

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

you'd really be surprised at how much negative sentiment there is here in the ford vs. corker election. it's been really negative and it's been constant. a bunch of the republicans i work with have said they're not even going to cast a vote. ford is so conservative it's not really leaving some of us leftier folks with much choice either. seriously, when the democrat is just about as conservative on paper i don't even know what to say. do i vote for a guy just because he's got a D next to his name? i'm mostly just thrilled that frist will be gone.

if it wasn't for the gay amendment bill, i bet a lot of gop voters would just stay home. even tho gay marriage is already against the law here. they felt like they needed to beat the dead horse and put it in the constitution. but the governors race won't be close. (incumbents win here.) etc etc. it's a nice peppy bit for corker.

"The gossip site Wonkette.com has made a minor sport out of exposing what newsmakers' offspring have done on the Web. There was Tennessee Republican Senate candidate Bob Corker's daughter's Facebook page, for example, which showed her locking lips with another woman and dancing in what appeared to be her underwear."

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/bob-corker/tenn-senate-race-where-the-white-women-at-209733.php

roffle at the faux-righteous soon to be another vote deciding our fates.
m.

msp (mspa), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

dunno why the folks at kos think that AZ is going to go Dem -- i don't see it at all (though i'd love to be proven wrong).

they're trying to talk it into contention, but i think it's a little late for that.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

don't lose faith, MSP. If Ford is elected, he won't have to pretend that he is "conservative" anymore. You think he won't march in lockstep with the rest of his bretheren? You think as a junior Senator he'll be bucking the party leadership? Rest easy.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

HBO's Hacking Democracy

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

OH NO, HE'S NOT ON BOARD.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

AND THE MOST DAMNING EVIDENCE OF ALLLLL:

Then there is what to me seems the bizarre assumption that seems to be built into the pollsters' "turnout models" that Democrats are "enthusiatic." For example, I live in one of the most Democratic neighborhoods in Los Angeles. But I have seen almost no new Democratic bumper stickers or yard signs. Ditto for other pro-Dem neighborhoods, such as Beverly Hills. But in GOP neighborhoods I am told there are lots of GOP yard signs out, and personal anecdote seems to bear that out. Cars owned by Dems sprouted lots of Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers in 2004. (For a while GOP cars have had very few bumper stickers, so this is not a measure of any shift in GOP interest). Then there are the multiple reports suggesting that African Americans (a huge chunk of the Dem base) are likely to sit this one out, and that jewish Americans (a highly important part of the Dem base) are deeply conflicted. What does that leave for a generally "impassioned" Dem base? Something is deeply wrong with this assumption.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

take the > off of Reichert - that's wrong - but pay attention to the tilde, which is there more due to expertise than to age, and more due to disposition than to gender [ed: pls to remember that over-ingenuousness might play well out here. even on the Eastside?]

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

USA Today/Gallup has us safe in MT, in the lead in RI and MO, and down but in the margin in VA and TN

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

go tester!

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/110406/liberal-drinking-game.gif

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

There aren't really any competitive races in Los Angeles, though, are there? I didn't think so..! Oh well. partisan bloggers on both sides tend to stick their fingers in their ears and go "I CANT HEAR YOU" when confronted with data they don't like.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

how does the gop get stupid stories like the kerry unjoke to dominate the news? cause if the dems know how to do that seems this putting nuclear secrets on the internet thing would be a good one to run w/right now.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

You missed that newscycle.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

damn

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

(cmj drunken bender)

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

how does the gop get stupid stories like the kerry unjoke to dominate the news?

www.drudgereport.com

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Sabato's final call

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

how does the gop get stupid stories like the kerry unjoke to dominate the news?

RNC faxes, a few hundred rightwing radio hosts on several thousand radio stations, a thousand talking heads barraging every MSM outlet, and media outlets sufficiently cowed by years of abuse from these guys so much they've internalized all the criticism, and feel they need to listen to bullshit.

But hey, you spend 4 decades and $2+ billion on infrastructure, you'd be surprised what you can accomplish.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes I think that given all of the above, what they've accomplished, in terms of concrete votes is really pathetic. The Diebold + Supreme court thing though..that's not so pathetic.

richardk (Richard K), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Die Bold With a Vengence

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

If Ford is elected, he won't have to pretend that he is "conservative" anymore. You think he won't march in lockstep with the rest of his bretheren?

Very confusing. You mean, with all the other Fabian socialists in the Senate? Again, reminds me of that promised that second-term "liberal" Clinton.

I never read much about Ford until this weekend, and I wanna throw up. The Nation:

The most audacious campaign ad of this topsy-turvy political year is set in the sanctuary of the Mt. Moriah East Baptist Church in Memphis. With a praise song swelling in the background, the camera pans down from sunlit stained-glass windows to a dapper young man striding thoughtfully up the aisle and flashing a Hollywood smile as he says, "I started church the old-fashioned way--I was forced to. And I'm better for it.... Here, I learned the difference between right and wrong." But now, he says solemnly, his opponent is "doing wrong," "telling untruths about...me." He sits in a pew and leans forward prayerfully. With a huge red tapestry with a white cross perfectly positioned over his right shoulder, he dead-eyes the camera and corrects the record. "I voted for the Patriot Act, five trillion in defense, and against amnesty for illegals. I approved this message because I won't let them make me somebody I'm not. And I'll always fight for you."

If you wonknerds are right and he's a loser, good fucking riddance.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm Bob Corker, and I approved this message."

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

morbs doesn't know who bob corker is gabbneb. he knows who bob horner is though.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

saw ford yesterday on cspan and it's funny all the hubbub abt lovin the wite chix when he seems really quite gay.

and i was kinda trying to make a joke abt the dems relatively pitiful media machine when asking how the gop does it - like bush puts nuclear secrets on teh internets and it doesn't get half the shine of kerry's bad joke. (but i'll have to check out this drudge fellow and the what do you call it fax machines haha).

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

I really hope Ford wins.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

So do i. I actually really resent the slur against canadians in that fucking sleazy campaign ad.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm fine with Dem control of both houses of congress and all the subcommittees. Get there first, then we start cleanin'.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

I love the newfound wiggle room in Sabato's crystal ball, decoded by me for your convenience:

TODAY:
"Yet something is happening. Both the Washington Post/ABC News poll and the new Pew survey show a dramatic tightening of the generic ballot vote, with Democrats leading by 4 to 6 percent. If these polls are accurate, this is bad news for Democrats, and they suggest that Democratic gains might be more limited than have been widely expected. Perhaps the Republican vote is finally coming home--much later than usual. President Bush's campaigning in red territory and the GOP's smart get-out-the-vote operation may be working at last..."

"...Although we're not out to determine who's been naughty or nice..."


WEDNESDAY MORNING, IF SABATO IS WRONG:

"As was the case in 2000, 2002, and 2004, the GOP's successful strategy of massive voter disenfranchisement provided the difference in this election."

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Translation: nobody knows anything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

voters not willing to pull the trigger? I don't know. same thing happened in 04 the weekend before, although nobody pulled out a Bin Laden videotape. last CNN poll showed a growing Dem lead? also, if these hit at the apex of the Kerry gaffe nonsense, they'd echo that moment, but news cycles have come and gone since then.

If Ford is elected, he won't have to pretend that he is "conservative" anymore. You think he won't march in lockstep with the rest of his bretheren?

No, he won't. the guy is pretty conservative. senators don't have to march in lockstep so much! see lieberman, chafee, nelson (both of them) etc, salazar.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

A new Fox News poll gives Democrats a 49% to 36% lead in the generic congressional ballot.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

In Virginia, Webb Leaps Ahead of Allen

Senator Macaca is TOAST
couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. hah

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

morbs in not quite getting that non-new york voters don't respond to the same things as new yorkers SHOCKAH.

god, i hate this city sometimes.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, let's return to those late congressional generic polls. I think we now have all the polls likely to be released before the election. The total is seven. And one obvious pattern shows up. The two polls released on Saturday had big Democratic margins in line with recent polls (Time, Newsweek). The three released yesterday showed substantial or dramatic tightening of the race (Pew, WaPo, Gallup). And then the two released today showed the race back to the big Democratic leads of the past few weeks (CNN, Fox).

Time 1-3rd: D+15
Newsweek 1-3rd (?): D+16
Pew 1-4th: D+4
WaPo 1-4th: D+6
Gallup 2-5th: D+7
CNN 3-5th: D+20
Fox 4-5th: D+13

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010859.php

sweird

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Both Don and Morbs are correct re: Ford, I think; he's not particularly liberal but he's running in a state that doesn't want someone particularly liberal, plus if and when he wins, he'll need to integrate into the party if he wants to have a chance of getting into a real position of power once he gets to Washington.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

I think he'll get one regardless - I mean, maybe they'll look at him in 08 as a running mate, even - the guy ran a stellar campaign & the seat was not expected to be remotely competitive.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

yeah are you kidding me dude will be only the whatever black senator since reconstruction PLUS a democrat elected to the senate from the south PLUS A BLACK DEMOCRAT ELECTED TO THE SENATE FROM THE SOUTH. i'm not sure if there's any residual bitterness over him trying to jack pelosi but there may be some residual admiration on that front too. i'm not crazy about his politics or his skeletons but him and webb do present a model for the dems actually being competitive in the south, and it should be remembered that when the democratic party was the majority party and passed new deal and great society legislation it was with conservative southern democrats w/ politics far more reprehensible than ford's in the fold.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Eisbär, I GET IT. You MAKE them respond without being a craven, me-too panderer.

Which Dems will personally invite Jesus up to the podium for their victory speeches?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

jesse jackson?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

it should be remembered that when the democratic party was the majority party and passed new deal and great society legislation supported jim crow it was with conservative southern democrats w/ politics far more reprehensible than ford's in the fold.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

all that said, i don't think that he's gonna win and if doesn't all of this talk is hot air. but i may be wrong.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

hey, who knew that Sabato was a vegetarian?

I do think that Ford ran a very good campaign, but I also take issue with "flawless" - I think his airport confrontation was a mistake, or at least a mistake in execution, and it was the misstep the other side was waiting for to hit really hard.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

wtf are you talking about? the great society came at the time when they were attacking jim crow. the conservative southern dems supported FDR, but not LBJ(later on).

xpost

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

blount, so in other words, the new model for Dems to win in the South is to either switch parties or just coopt the nefarious stickiest parts of the Republican platform and then STFU once elected? I guess it's that or try to come up with some new ideas to campaign on. Har.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

wtf are you talking about?

i was talking abt the whole lifespan of the southern democrats rather than just the nice parts as a way of pointing out that you have to give up something when you make alliances and it's not always worth it.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/06/navarrette/index.html

This is running linked from CNN front page. Thinly veined GOP voter disenfranchisement tactics?

roc u like a § (ex machina), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

see also heath shuler re new dems in the south. who's gotten less press (for obvious reasons) but ideologically seems to be on the same page as ford.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Dan is OTM, w/r/t Ford. Just check out the voting record of other conservative Democrats. With a Democratic majority, congress will follow a Democratic agenda. Ford is going to be with the Democrats. If Ford turns out to be a dissapointment to the Dems that supported him, the local Dems can always run an opponent in the next primary.

Better a Democrat than a Republican. This isn't just about individual senators, it's about parties and coalitions.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

kos predicts

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

From the CNN article:
They haven't come up with a new strategy for getting Latino votes since the 1950s when Texas Democrats used to parachute into Hispanic neighborhoods at election time with tacos and beer.

How awesome would that be? I live in a neighborhood with a large Hispanic population. Tacos and Beer! Parachutists! Awesome!

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

wait, who would be disappointed with Ford-- the folx who think he's "pretending" to be a conservative, or the ones who take his words at face value (ie, all those Republicans whose votes gabbneb wants, apparently over several election cycles, by continuing to be faux GOPers)?

Parties and coalitions don't mean shit til they stand for something besides "Bush lied and is stuck in Iraq."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

of course, that op-ed linked from CNN has this bit:

And Democrats won't think twice about betraying their Latino supporters on this issue because they take Latino votes for granted anyway. They haven't come up with a new strategy for getting Latino votes since the 1950s when Texas Democrats used to parachute into Hispanic neighborhoods at election time with tacos and beer.

so, yeah, it's just a lil' suspect.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i don't think he's gonna win either. haha don the gop's new model to win in the south was to either switch parties or just coopt the nefarious/stickiest parts of the southern dem platform? a = b then b = a. again i'm not crazy about ford (although using the ghost of jim crow to beat ford w/ seems a bit much i think), would i like a paul wellstone clone winning that seat sure, but there isn't single good piece of legislation that passes with corker in that seat instead of ford and there's plenty of bad ones that do.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

so, yeah, it's just a lil' suspect.

More than suspect. It's obvious.

But, PARACHUTISTS, TACOS AND BEER? Fuck yeah!

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Morbs - hasve you ever heard of "Independents"? Do you know what percentage of the electorate they make up?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

the model for Dems to win in the south, isn't it to NOT raise red flags over all the values questions that GOP uses to win elections (despite never doing much to change things) so that we can all return to our common ground on the bread and butter economic issues that actually matter

re: Ford, no, may not win the seat in the end, but thanks to the campaign he's run it's prob a win-win for him in terms of raising his profile & making the GOP spend resource there, etc.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

What are the dirty tricks I heard about on NPR this morning? Offensive/annoying phone calls purporting to be from the Democrats until you get to the end of the call?

milo z (mlp), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

compelling phenomenon, ford, shuler et al who likely would've been republicans not that long ago running as dems cause the gop has gotten just too bonkers for them.

the beginning of the return of the conservative democrat? interesting to see how it plays out.

still likely the best dems can hope for is to nibble at the edges of the south for the foreseeable future.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

the model for Dems to win in the south, isn't it to NOT raise red flags over all the values questions that GOP uses to win elections (despite never doing much to change things) so that we can all return to our common ground on the bread and butter economic issues that actually matter.

OTM.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

milo - from what i've heard they don't even identify themselves at the end and if you hang up they call back again and again.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

The only person who's coming to mind right now who couldn't bribe me into voting for him by parachuting into my backyard with tacos and beer is David Duke.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, robo-calling. It nicely couples with push-polling, in that you both push libellous bullshit about your opponent and/or piss off his voters, too.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not conservative so it's not like I agree with Ford on this values stuff but.. well, a party that isn't a big tent is just withering up and losing power.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

i would have to judge the quality of the offerings before making my decision.

xp

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

"tacos and beer" would've been a good title for ludacris's follow-up to "chicken and beer."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

one of the images that comes up on google images when you type in "tacos and beer"

http://img1.travelblog.org/Photos/7904/24062/t/115566-Beer-Sombreros-Pool-Ponies-0.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

pool water will surely ruin that hat

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://f.screensavers.com/OMS/img/100/cartmanhandpuppet_100.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.306wd.com/tacotim/pics/timontaco.jpg

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

I am totally voting for the dude on the ginormous taco.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

the beginning of the return of the conservative democrat? interesting to see how it plays out.

I would like to see conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. Coalition building, independent candidates, representatives that reflected the local population more than a natioal strategy of the party. Maybe I'm an idealist, but that would be OK on a lot of levels.

The only person who's coming to mind right now who couldn't bribe me into voting for him by parachuting into my backyard with tacos and beer is David Duke.

HAHA. My list is a little longer, but totally. Also more more whistlestop campaigns, literally run off the back of bunting-bedecked trains, and, I must admit, MORE ACTION FIGURES!

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.glasspipes.org/Images/ThumbNails/000044000/Thm44363_100_0630.JPG

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

So if the Democrats lose in a barrage of dirty tricks and vote fraud tomorrow, will I finally be able to wear my "Vote From The Rooftops" t-shirt in polite company?

milo z (mlp), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

nah it's impolite to admit there's such a thing as election fraud.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

No, but impolite company may grow by a significant margine.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Morbs - hasve you ever heard of "Independents"?

No -- my dad voted for Nixon ('60 and 68), LBJ, McGovern, Carter and Reagan (twice), so I've never heard of them.

And all his votes were motivated by all sorts of animus, grudges, and spiralling events that all your precious little unprincipled Rotisserie League strategizing wouldn't have overcome even once.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

Significant margarine.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9807/22/wonder.margarine/margarine.pines.jpg

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

morbs - yr dad's voting record is fascinating. care to elaborate on those all those sorts of animus, grudges, and spiraling events?

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

ford, shuler et al who likely would've been republicans not that long ago running as dems cause the gop has gotten just too bonkers for them.

that's probably true of shuler, but is not true of ford

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

might be true of shuler, i should say

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

neat little bit from CJR Daily about press coverage of Keith Ellison, who's primed to be the first Muslim elected to the House(from MN-5).

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

yeah maybe - still the guy is a weird hybrid.

xp

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, Mr. Spelling Bee, your mom's a bunch of stupid margarine.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/timontacoelk.gif

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

the genius of the modern american pundit

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

No -- my dad voted for Nixon ('60 and 68), LBJ, McGovern, Carter and Reagan (twice), so I've never heard of them.

lemme guess - your Dad's from MA? WI?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Newark, NJ

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dgoobl/blackvoters.jpg

g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

omg

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 6 November 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Newark, NJ

interesting. your Dad voted against what most people around him were for every time with the exception of post-Watergate.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think he has very much in common with most independents.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

oh wait, he went with the majority in 64 too. but who didn't?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha. dig the subtlety of this campaign mailer from upstate NY

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

As a longtime lurker on this thread who lives in Memphis, I've got to come out of the closet on this question about where Ford is ideologically: Wherever he thinks he needs to be to win.

I've never once detected any principles whatsoever with Ford. He's an empty suit. A total phony.

I'm voting for him tomorrow for the obvious reason, but I sort of hope the Dems take the Senate without him.

chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Most independants don't have a lot in common with eachother, other than a lack of party affiliation.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

they like winners

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

Winners like Gary Andersen!

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Gary & Silvia Andersen?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

On "The Today Show" Bill O'Reilly predicted a "low turnout -- 30 to 35%."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

what was his stated reasoning, assuming he had anyway?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

had any, rather

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

"low turnout -- 30 to 35%."

uh, isn't that actually the AVERAGE turnout?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Um. Isn't that approx the same percentage that voted in 2004?

(xpost!)

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

As a reflexive response to O'Reilly's prediction, I just emailed my entire department with a reminder to go vote.

Of course, the majority of them are Republicans. How do you surpress the Republican vote?

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

Um. Isn't that approx the same percentage that voted in 2004?

Yeah! I think the percentage was 34.3 or something.

His rather addled reasoning was that people are depressed and will stay home (since he doesn't talk to any Democrats who aren't Pelosian "secular-progressives" he must know what he's talking about)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

How do you surpress the Republican vote?

Dear, you ask polling station workers to conduct literacy tests.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

remind them to vote libertarian?

xpost

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

Arrange to ship one voting machine each to Plymouth and Edina.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

How do you surpress the Republican vote?

http://www.detroitfunk.com/images/FEB05/kerriganknee001.jpg

Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bingo275/septoct05/christiescoverblank.jpg

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

this is pure spin and "lowering expectations" (for lack of a better word). that is, if the dems DO win both the house and senate, or even just one house w/ greater-than-expected numbers, they can then say "well, this election the turnout was low so it really isn't a MANDATE" or something like that. it's of a piece more GOP spin that even if the Democrats pick up 20 or 30 House seats tomorrow, it's still no big deal.

i mean really guys, we've been dealing with this kind of transparent GOP shit for over a decade now!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

Based on absolutely nothing, I predict a very slim Democratic majority in the House and the Republicans retaining control of the Senate.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 6 November 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

I still think the chart at the very top is the most accurate prediction.

gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Monday, 6 November 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

most Independents are people who probably lean one way but like enough things about the other party (or dislike enough things about their own) to be susceptible to going the other way based on a) personality, b) how well the candidate matches up with their read on the issues, and/or c) environment. liking winners isn't all, and it's a bit of a chicken-vs-egg thing, but there's definitely a core group in the middle that follows the tide and it seems to be growing.

Winners like Gary Andersen!

you mean John? my take is most of his supporters were essentially Northeastern Rockefeller Republicans and Western/Midwestern conservative Democrats. in '80, they were seriously disenchanted with the Carter environment and personality, but deemed Reagan too mean/extreme on personality/issues, and in the race between malaise man and the movie actor, no one looked like a winner, so the more involved voted Anderson and the less involved stayed home - Reagan barely broke 50%. Four years later, the climate had changed, Reagan won the personality contest hands down, and most of these people were persuaded to come over, giving him the morning in america glow that turned out those who want to vote for a winner. in '88, the climate and issues were even, there were no personalities and no winners. Bush held onto enough of the independents, but some went back to the Dems, and many stayed home. in '92, the climate had changed, Clinton had the personality and the issues and he and Perot took the indies away. the Dems have kept most of the Northeasterners and some of the Mid/Westerners ever since, while the rest stayed with Perot and then moved towards the GOP when it took on a more rural cast, won the personality contest, and gave off the apperance of greater friendliness on the issues. that group has slowly developed second thoughts over the last few years and is the reason why some Dems seek a 'Western strategy'.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 6 November 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

Does this make any difference? is this story getting any coverage? (has this been mentioned?)

Editorial opens fire on Rumsfeld

Four US military journals have called for Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to quit, accusing him of losing control of the situation in Iraq.
cf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6120856.stm

pscott (elwisty), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

Novak predictions

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

fyi those military publications have all called for Rumsfeld's resignation before - story buried in press, of course ("I listen to mah genruls!")

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

my dad's a So Cal liberal Dem. He worked for Anderson in '80.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

(he certainly never voted for fucking Reagan)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha. he still has to bash Dean and praise the DLC types.

xp

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

there was a fair sized piece on it on BBC news at 10 tonite in the UK. i thought it would get some coverage if john kerry telling a bad joke can. also i am spectacularly naive. obviously. they were saying it was gonna have a bearing on the polls but if no in america knows i guess it won't...

xp

pscott (elwisty), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

early voting looks good for Ron Klein

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

to be fair, I think pretty much everyone in the country is aware that Rumsfeld is a colossal fuckup - except for Dubya. I don't think Rumsfeld's winning any popularity contests, even amongst the hardcore right. At least that's what Ned's regular blog-trawling tends to reveal.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

from today:

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9823/thatonepartyla8.jpg

"Y'know, that one party..."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

(so I don't think the army brass chiming in really impacts things one way or the other)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

my dad's a So Cal liberal Dem. He worked for Anderson in '80.

Wasn't Anderson a moderate Republican (i.e. what Reagan became post-'84)?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

lol 'four us military journals' - army times, NAVY times, etc all same editorial, um four branches of same paper basically, no affiliation w/ 'army brass' (hence able to do this w/out it being yknow a call for a coup d'etat though it's still one holy shit step shy). i'm pretty sure (or i hope at least) dan meant gary anderson btw - dude's from minnesota.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

apropos to nothing, i just learned from reading an "american prospect" online article that one of the co-founders of 70s pussy-soft-rock band orleans is running for a house seat in an NYC suburban district.

snark aside -- this is interesting. heath shuler and THIS dude?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, he just might win too (but don't bet on it)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

I think NY-25 flips before NY-19 though

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

final Stu Rothenberg predicts

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think Rumsfeld's winning any popularity contests, even amongst the hardcore right. At least that's what Ned's regular blog-trawling tends to reveal.

Oh, there's *plenty* of Rumsfeld love around still, don't underestimate it. Some of it quite embarrassing by any standard...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

Lopez angles to be communications director for a reelected Senator Santorum.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

if she really thinks that santorum is going to be re-elected, she's smoking crack.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

My brain fairly aches to remember whether the Democrats were this deluded in 1994.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

this isn't a midterm election per se but i just wanted to bring to your attention this heartwarming photo of Ct. Gov. M. Jodi Rell. (who is on the ballot today), Gavin MacLeod and some random Connecticut moppet thrilling to the sounds of the Connecticut Miniature State Troopers Choir.

http://www.ct.gov/governorrell/lib/governorrell/montageSep06b.jpg

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 06:33 (nineteen years ago)

oh what the hell, I'll (over-optimistically) call the races

Senate - Dems take 6, all but AZ and TN

House - Dems take 34...
AZ-5 (Hayworth)
AZ-8 (open)
CA-11 (Pombo)
CO-4 (Musgrave)
CO-7 (open)
CT-2 (Simmons)
CT-4 (Shays)
CT-5 (Johnson)
FL-13 (open)
FL-16 (Foley)
FL-22 (Shaw)
IA-1 (open)
ID-1 (open)
IL-6 (open)
IN-2 (Chocola)
IN-8 (Hostettler)
IN-9 (Sodrel)
KY-3 (Northup)
MN-1 (Gutknecht)
NH-2 (Bass)
NM-1 (Wilson)
NY-20 (Sweeney)
NY-24 (open)
NY-25 (Walsh)
NC-11 (Taylor)
OH-1 (Chabot)
OH-2 (Schmidt)
OH-15 (Pryce)
OH-18 (open)
PA-6 (Gerlach)
PA-7 (Weldon)
PA-10 (Sherwood)
TX-22 (open)
WA-8 (Reichert)

I think the GOP narrowly keeps AZ-1, KY-4, MN-6, NY-26, NY-29, PA-8, VA-2, and WI-8.

Wildcards
KS-2 (Ryun)
NV-3 (Porter)
OH-12 (Tiberi)
PA-4 (Hart)
WY-AL (Cubin)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)


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