L O S T - season three (includes 'next week on Lost' SPOILERS)

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it's coming, it's coming, it's in the trees starting tomorrow

― dmr (Renard), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

i have to wait til thursday :(
unless i can watch it via webcam or something equally ridiculous.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

nevertheless, i just soiled myself in anticipation. again.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

why thursday kit?

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

britishes

― dmr (Renard), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

the first five minutes will leave you...breathless

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

it's true, i am a britisher :(

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

i clicked on stevem's, almost watched it, came back here.

i will have to torrent series 3, it has become... necessary, with all the weight that word implies.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm watching the S2 DVD bonus disc in anticipation.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

heh, mine arrived yesterday, so i did that last night.
i'm so, so hopelessly obsessed with this show.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Does anybody know where I can order a DHARMA Initiative jumpsuit? I will need one for my ongoing conflict with the "hostiles".

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

torrent series 3
When will this be available?

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

probably about 3-4 hours after it's aired? i'm always impressed by how quickly it goes up.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

maybe more like 6, i dunno. here you can get up on Thursday morning and there's 4 or 5 variants already available.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

I want some of that Dharma brand ranch dressing!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

cheers stevem, i'll set my alarm.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i always wait til thursday morning to start t0rr3ntz0r. but that generally means i get home from work and bingo!

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

haha, but can you fight the temptation of reading L O S T threadz ALL DAY?

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i had to do that during S2, so i'm ub3rfuckingpr0 at Lost thread ignorage by now.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Would be nice to get the torrent in 1080p within a reasonable amount of time, too. But that takes a few hours longer to encode than the regular HD version, apparently.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

i started watching season 1 last week and i'm up to episode 23 now. watching 22 43-minute episodes in a week is a really bad idea. no way i'll get up to season 3 in the next week.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

so this is the spoiler-free thread?

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

what's the point of a spoiler-free thread about a tv show? what are you supposed to talk about?

― THIS IS THE SOUND OF RADIOHEAD BEING BEATEN AT A GAME THEY WEREN'T EVEN BOL (slu, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

what does 'spoiler-free' even mean here?

i guarantee only episodes that people have actually seen will be talked about.

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

There are things that have already been revealed about S3, though, that some people may not want to know just yet.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

it... sucks!

― THIS IS THE SOUND OF RADIOHEAD BEING BEATEN AT A GAME THEY WEREN'T EVEN BOL (slu, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

OK, that's what I was thinking. for some reason I was under the impression FROM THE LARGE OMINOUS WARNING THE MODS ADDED TO THE THREAD TITLE that the other LOST thread contained season three spoilers and I didnt dare click on it. Now I see how silly I was being. Carry on.

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

OMG after a summer chasing LOST spoilers it is really weird now to be desperately trying NOT to read them. I have a special place in my heart though for the writers producers etc and their wicked disinformation campaign of the past month+.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

We should seriously consider a choreographed ilx infiltration of tehfuselage.com w/ completely ludicrous/Ludacris foilers.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I had the chance to see the season premiere on the beach in Waikiki on Saturday night on a 30ft screen whith the whole cast in attendence. My girlfriend and I thought about it, but when it came to TS: Watching the season premiere of your favorite show on a CROWDED beach crammed neck-and-neck with thousands of other people who grabbed thier spot eight hours before it started VS. Watching the season premiere of your favorite show on a TV in the quiet of your own apartment over a nice dinner.... the premiere party lost out. I could just see myself getting so annoyed that I was missing important lines of dialogue or a few seconds of WTF in the frame because someone was talking too loud next to me or an ambulance was driving by or whatever.

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds so pathetic when I read it back to myself.

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

welcome to experience-shunning curmudgeonry. It can be a bit dull, and ever so slightly lonely at times.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

New Spoiler Short Description:
Episode 8: REVENGE OF THE POLAR BEARZ (Polar Bear-centric)

Date:
10/3/06

Episode:
REVENGE OF THE POLAR BEARZ

Source:
SqueeOnline

URL:
http://omglostspoilerz.gov//

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From kirstin chatz:

u_al_everybubby: omg what happened to the POLAR BEARZ!?!
kritsten: I hear they are coming back in a BIG WAY this season...LOST GUY Daminz Linglebert hinted that "those fans holding out that there was something more to Sawyer's season 1 'bear village' joek might just be some happy campers"

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

re: Grady's story up there...I would be too tempted to confront Naveen Andrews about his fucking fingernails, cut them shits dude

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

OMG after a summer chasing LOST spoilers it is really weird now to be desperately trying NOT to read them.

OTM. it's most admirable, i've been such a spolierwhore since S2 finished, i feel duuuurty.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, I have returned to ILE! For this thread only!

I'm actually expecting to get bored of lost somewhere round about ep 6-9 this season. But for the time being, I'm EXCITED.

― JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

So has Lost got any less nonsensicle since I gave up halfway through series one?

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

There's more donkeypunching, Cleveland-steamering, Dirty-Sanchezing and people whimpering "mommy" now, but no, it's not making much more sense.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm actually kind of interested to hear how it all turns out, but not enough to sit down and watch the thing every week.

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

would it be good to have the word "LOST" without spaces in the title for searching purposes?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

Like it's going to be out of the New Answers list for the next 8 months!

― Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

What time does it start in the US?

― Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

Hey UK people, I am going to have to torrent these somehow - any suggestions on good places to get them?

― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 05:15 (nineteen years ago)

Here's your best bet.

― Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

Lost - lost s3e00 tale of survival

Is this just a season 1-2 recap?

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 06:45 (nineteen years ago)

yups

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 06:54 (nineteen years ago)

in other news: SO FUCKING EXCITED.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:26 (nineteen years ago)

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaugh

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

welcome to experience-shunning curmudgeonry. It can be a bit dull, and ever so slightly lonely at times.

It's worth it for the moral superiority, though.

It's been a nice summer and everything. I crammed in six series of Gilmore Girls, the complete run of Firefly, and even some films. But I am glad telly season is here again, and that there is new Lost. Mister Monkey and I have bought a nice bottle of wine to have tomorrow night while we watch it.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

I crammed in six series of Gilmore Girls

woah i salute you

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

also new Battlestar Galactica on friday.

just me then

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

you made it sound really good the other day tho!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

T MINUS TWELVE HOURS AND COUNTING

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://i16.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/84/f5/45_1.JPG

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Not just you, Alan. Mister Monkey is beside himself with the excitement. He is using Firefly as the gateway drug on me, and it's almost working. I feel like next summer I could cram in several series of Battlestar Galactica.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Do you guys know when ABC typically puts the show up on their site -- right after the episode is over, or the next day? (Or are you all too busy torrenting?)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

too busy t0rr3nt1ng. i didn't even know the shows went on the site! i hope it's IMMEDIATE, that would be aces.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

ok. so come on, best guesses. WHY sawyer, kate, jack? (apart from meta reasons like they are the stars)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

(Just looked at ABC site and it says next day.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

(Which is fine, it just means I have to studiously avoid this thread for 24 hours, since I'm not going to be around to watch the premiere tonight.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

Why them what? Oh, why were they picked by the Others? I think it's because they lead the group.

xpost

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

so is it a catch up tonight with a bad voice over or a new episode for the t0rrent1ng uk masses?

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Strong personalities, group leaders?
Or maybe it's because they've all killed people dead (and we're yet to see Jack's slaying).
Or maybe because they've all seen weird shit (kate's horse, sawyer's boar, jack's dad).

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

at the time i said it was because thos three were the most 'dangerous'. but Sayid and Jin are probably more dangerous with their histories. so The Others are clearly just being racialist.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

I would really love to see Sayid and Jin double-team and kick some ass, maybe with Rousseau in tow.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

If Henry was going to get Locke earlier in the series, why did they not go back for him?

Also, Hurley clearly isn't making it back to the beach for at least half a series.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

sawyer's boar

When was this?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

I would really love to see Sayid and Jin double-team and kick some ass, maybe with Rousseau in tow.

Yes. I would like that too. It's a shame how in most ensemble cast TV shows, they never have enough of the people I like in them.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

halfway thru season 1 (xpost)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Sayid and Jin are probably more dangerous with their histories

ahem also that one big black man who was a drugdealer murdering warlordy dude

The episode w/ the boar was called "Outlaws".

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Jack, Kate, and Sawyer aren't the only ones who have seen "things that shouldn't be there" though...HURLEY saw DAVE.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking...what if their not-taking Hurley has to do with him NOT having been supposed to be on the plane? (see: his big 20 min airport flashback in s1 finale)

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

I would seriously bet big money on, in the last episode of LOST ever, it turns out Hurley is totally the savior of, like, existence itself.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

if existence itself is like, a struggling donut shop or something.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

what i liked in the finale i rewatched on Sunday is when Miss Klugh or whatever her name is tells Hurley to go back but he has to look at Jack to get the nod that it's best to do this before he's sure. how long will it take him? he's bound to run into Rousseau or Sayid on the way right?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

would it be good to have the word "LOST" without spaces in the title for searching purposes?

yeah I didn't think about that until after I created thred ... oops.

but I think as long as ppl know what the title is they'll be able to find it

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

someone w/ mod powarz can change it if they think it's necessary

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

it looks more pr0 with the spaces.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

people can always just search all October 2006 threads anyway.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

let's face it, if they don't know where to look, they're not fans, and should go eat Dharma brand dirt in a corner. with a fake beard on.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, so that wasn't a real boar?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

it's not really clear, but wouldn't worry bout it

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Or, I mean, Kate's horse was REAL in the sense of being verifiable by more than one person, but it was WEIRD for it to be on the island. It wasn't WEIRD for the boar to be on the island, because that was their main source of food in S1. It was maybe WEIRD for the boar to have something against Sawyer, but I thought this was basically comic relief.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

well, it was certainly behaving strangely. it seemd to be picking on/taunting sawyer, and the whispers flared up as he was looking for it. see also: tree frog.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

on the reason these guys were taken i have a controversial but i believe true reason

because they are the main characters (though not my favourite or anyone heres)

just a thought...

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

ok. so come on, best guesses. WHY sawyer, kate, jack? (apart from meta reasons like they are the stars)
-- Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (AlanTrewarth...), October 4th, 2006 2:49 PM. (later) (link)

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot about the whispers! Who has heard them?

Sawyer
Sayid
Rousseau
that whole posse of tailsectioners (right before Ana Lucia plugged Shannon)
??????
maybe Vincent?

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Michael, Hurley in the S2 Finale, right before they got ZAPPED. the only word i can make out in that scene is "Elizabeth", which, unlike previous whispers, cuts through on the soundtrack, clean as a whistle.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not gonna check this thread for a couple of days now, so enjoy the S3 premiere, i'll probably be back on friday morning.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Right, DUH, I totally just watched that last night.

Also in a DUH moment, watching the clip show last week, I finally realized that Cindy (tail section surviver) was the same flight attendant who was chasing Charlie right before the crash.

See ya dude!

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

EIGHT HOURS THIRTY MINUTES

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

EIGHT HOURS 19 MINUTES

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ nearing 100 posts before season starts

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Some dude in my class told me he wasn't watching it because he has too much work. I was all "FUCK THAT I GOT A MIDTERM TOMORROW BUT I AIN'T MISSING NO LOST."

I am probably retarded.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

My bandmate, who never misses rehearsal for ANYTHING (since he's, like, the leader), is skipping tonight to watch LOST. I'd skip, too, but my girlfriend has a Spanish class tonight and she'd be upset if I watched it without her. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

WHIPPED lololol

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

YA RLY.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

(Actually, it prob wouldn't be a big deal, but it'd be more fun to watch it with her.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

hwooKTSCH

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

i have a midterm TONIGHT. DURING LOST.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

So are we all going to be frantically posting during commercial breaks or what? This is the first time I've ever had internet connection at home since LOST first aired.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think it was Sawyer's encounter with the whispers in Season 1 (maybe Sayid's) where the subtitles on the DVD spell out that they're saying IT COMES BACK AROUND.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure people on the West coast won't be for fear of the spoilage.

Did I mention I made out with Damon L. and Carlton C. backstage?

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

my sis and i are LOST watching buddies. my BF doesn't like watching it (i'm guessing because he hasn't really paid attention OR he's really stupid), but he likes to watch our LOST faces, while we watch.

totally hilaire.

― ai lien (kold_krush), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

He doesn't watch it because he is jealous of HOT GUY ISLAND.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

what HOT GUY?

― ai lien (kold_krush), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty much every LOST guy is hot in their own different way, except Henry Gale, who is kind of busted faced/Clay Aiken. But my mom thinks he has a sexy voice.

I was watching it with my sister for a long time because she doesn't like to watch it alone. I love her and all, but this was starting to get on my nerves, as A) I had to drive across town and back, B) I have a monstrous awesome tv/stereo setup at home (roommate's), and C) she is straightedge hence I didn't get to be all VAPEZILLA/bnogrips like a motherfucker. Anyway, she's got a buddy watching it with her now, I get to stay home, WIN WIN.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

FOUR HOURS ELEVEN MINUTES

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Time why are you such a cruel bitchstress?

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Normally I'm a "don't take a moment for granted" kind of person, but seriously, just be 9 PM EST already ffs.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

ugh ugh I have to write a paper before Lost. :( It will probably end up being ABOUT LOST.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Realism and Liberalism hold very divergent views on the sustainability and relative powers of international relations...JUST LIKE JACK AND LOCKE RE: SCIENCE AND FAITH.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

lol fucked up joek. relations = organizations.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

this thread should be strictly pre-show and a new thread started once S3 begins?

― ai lien (kold_krush), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

JESSIE ARE YOU A GRADUATE STUDENT IN NORTH CAROLINA

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

She goes to school in Boston.

― jaymc_ (nickalicious), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

She's from NC, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

jessie, i will be in your fair city in a month. i will be out of money. you will need to buy me drink(s).

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

oh. nevermind. i have a friend (lurker) in NC, in graduate school.

ANYWAY. Anyone know when this will be on in mountain time??? do they do it the same as central???

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

gbx, I think they all air simultaneously for every time except PST. Don't hold me to that though. I would just watch ABC for a little bit, surely they are going to have commercials on.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

BONUS POINTS JAYMC: WHAT SCHOOL???

also undergrad. I DON'T GO TO BARS BUT YOU CAN COME HAVE A BEER. I MAEK CUPCAKES ALL THE TIMEZ.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.seaboston.pointshop.com/ImgUpload/P_23077058_1625335.JPG

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

No way is a primetime show going to air at 6pm MDT.

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I mean 7pm MDT.

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it's gotta be on at 8pm

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Surely it's on at 9?

anyway, I'm going to bed. I expect there to be a torrent ready for me when I get up tomorrow morning. Otherwise there'll be big trouble. There was no Hugh Laurie waiting for me this morning, and that made me mad enough. Imagine what it will be like if there is no Naveen.

Please, enjoy your season premiere.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

There was a Golden Corral commercial on just now with a guy running with a bunch of dogs. That guy = (looked like) jaymc.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

UNE HEURE, FOLKS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

half-hour. i still don't believe it's gonna happen.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

I can hear the hatch countdown blip in my head.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

GUYS I CAN'T WATCH THIS FOR ANOTHER HOUR :(((((((((

MOUNTAIN ZONE IS ZONE THAT TIME FORGOT

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

haha "mountain zone"

What was the book and why's he out of the club?

― "Ben" (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

HOLY SHIT Y'ALL AWESOMES

(It was some Stephen King bullshit, prob The Tommyknockers)

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ok I know that blonde. Who is she?

― Juulia (julesbdules), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

HOOOOOOLEEEEE SHEEEIIIIT

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

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― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

i second juliaa's question

― ai lien (kold_krush), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

That was actually me, on Julia's puter.

"What the hell is going on here?"

― always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

the flashbacks are getting old

― ai lien (kold_krush), Thursday, 5 October 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

The flashbacks are now how the others break their spirits.

― always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

I wanted to see Jack beat up his dad!

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

That kid ("sorry I tried to include you in my escape attempt") is totally one of them.

― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

BREAKING:
JACK STILL STUBBORN ASSHOLE.
SAWYER LUVS KATE AND IT IS ADORABLE.
NEEDS MORE HENRY GALE/BEN AND/OR SAYID.
THE ISLAND IS HOPPING WITH TRAINED POLAR BEARS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

Also are we to believe the Others were just chilling in their island habitat waiting on that plane to come down?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

"Tom" (fake beardy) is my new favorite LOST character.

That opening sequence was so cool, I was kind of hoping for a glimpse of RADIO TOWER.

Oh and I like this woman Juliet a lot, I think (flashback evidence pending).

xpost omg I hadn't even thought of that

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

I am torn between A) that whole valley suburbialand was their actual habitat, or B) that whole valley suburbialand was OMG ANOHTER TEST ON SOEM PEOPLEZ.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

well I mean if you've been there since 197fuckall you're probably going to take some time out to build a nice house to live in.

Ben = evil Ricardo Montalban and it is cracking me up.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

KateSawyerFishBiscuit scene >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CharlieClaire"peanutbutter" scene

They should've used Michael Jacksln "Ben" for the overture.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

dude that song was about a rat NOT A POLAR BEAR/MYSTERIOUS ISLAND.

otm about KateSawyer>>>>CharlieClaire. Especially Sawyer's "dawwwf I wub her" faces.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

"Downtown" was also about a [etc] not a poalr bear/mysterious island of mystery. Why downtown? Future flashback fodder, or something more? [I heard that last bit as spoken by Gob Bluth, forgive me]

[Also, in that scene in s2 finale where Locke looks at Eko and says "I was wrong", did anyone else expect him to say "I've made a huge mistake" a la shoutout to Arrested Develpment?]

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

maybe she are sad for she is missing teh real world. :(((

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

This season is going to rule so so so so much.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

My only minor quibble is that the actresses playing Juliet, Jack's ex-wife, and Desmond's lady Penny look a bit too much alike. Granted it is highly unlikely that we will ever see scenes with them together or where they may be confused, it's still a little too "generic blonde tv actress" for me. That said, Juliet is the best of the three by far.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 5 October 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, they aren't much alike at all! You crazy. Have a biscuit.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it's easy for me to pick out Jack's ex-wife because I watched Ed all of its 4 or 5 seasons.

But apparently my memory slipped over the summer...I have no idea who Penny is.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

juliet oh juliet...sorry.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

Someone want to send an outline of what happened to me at stuchbery@acer.edu.au - i'm not going to be able to see this a week, at least, being in australia and all with crrrrrappy dialup.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

haha I thought the same thing at first about Juliet and Sarah (although by the end of the show they looked quite different.) So, this may be thick, but was there anything at all between Jack's dad and Sarah or was that just Jack being a paranoid asshole?

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

I also thought it was kind of intentional though, that Juliet is supposed to remind him/us of Sarah. (Intentional on the part of the show's makers, not that it's a conspiracy of the others.)

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I think Jack was just wrong and out of control.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

Got the still can't find a torrent bluez.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

...Desmond's lady Penny look a bit too much alike.

i agree, i was confused.

is everything that's happening now a test? or is it all not a test? or is the lack of test-ness mean they're part of a bigger test than has ever been tested before?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

They should stick Hurley in a rat maze. And have Walt do the psychic guess-the-card trick (if they haven't already).

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

dude, jack was PSYCHO

xp probably!

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to know which Stephen King book that was, but just because they've made me paranoid and sure that there's a hidden clue in every frame of every episode. Misery would be a pretty obvious choice.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it was the langoliers.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 5 October 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

CELL would be pretty awesome too, what with the radio tower and all.

― Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Thursday, 5 October 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

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― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

Hahaha the end was like "Yes.....that's right....MY NAME IS BEN!"

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

whoa the bit before the opening title was nutz

so the Others seemed to have a general plan in place for "what if a plane crashes here" but didn't know the exact date / time it was gonna happen? like did they have all that data on everyone beforehand and know who was ON the plane or did they somehow gather that info after the fact (based on the lists of names)?

"Ben" had some Hannibal Lecter shit going on on the beach there. "the next two weeks will be verry unpleasant"

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

Benry

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

We were supposed to think maybe she was assaulted, right?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:39 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT HAPPENED OVER BREAKFAST?

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 5 October 2006 06:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm really nervous about what happened to Kate between breakfast and cage time. Especially after my uncle pointed out that the Others have this obsession with acquiring babies. Ick ick.

I was thinking the The Stand would be the thematically appropriate book choice, what with the apocalyptic overtones and ragtag good guys versus bad guys, but someone on TWoP said her edition of Carrie looked just like that.

― reddening (reddening), Thursday, 5 October 2006 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

The King book was Carrie, yes.

I really don't think the Others were waiting for a plane to crash or knew anything about the survivors until it happened. It's all a bit coincidence! Or fate or whatever! But I think between this episode and the season two finale we can be fairly certain that the plane crash was a completely unorchestrated accident.

The Others appear to have a lot of well-financed resources in the "real world" too, if they're able to get the life stories of all of the survivors, which one can assume that they have. Yeah?

― cws (cws), Thursday, 5 October 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

(I AM NOT LOOKING AT ANY OF THIS - I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT TO SET OFF THE TORRENT> WAHHHHHHHHH!)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 5 October 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

The implication seems to be that they've been living in this community for all their lives and need to keep the community and the work being done on the island a secret at all costs, and cannot allow new people into the community and thus had to work very hard to keep new residents of the island at a distance and unaware of what they were, and where they were. The plane crash is obviously the beginning of the end for them, and we're watching the Dharma people delay the inevitable now.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 5 October 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

Carrie makes sense since Will has all these incredible untapped psychic powers. He's totally going to burn down prom and kill them all.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 5 October 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

I can't get past the "hey, you've locked me up in an aquarium and are obviously toying with me in some way but before I deal with that properly I really have to get over this thing with my ex-wife and her boyfriend because now that i'm locked up in an aquarium and being toyed with by a blonde woman i really have time to think about what i had to go through all those years ago when i pushed my ex-wife away and couldn't believe that she cheated on me but was really stubborn and just wouldn't tell me his name on some silly principle even though I would obviously losing my grip on reality."

Why would Ben NOT like Carrie? Is he more of a Cujo guy with his complicated bear feeding zoo and world of aminals?

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Thursday, 5 October 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Benry and Juliet are married, but there's some crack in their relationship (she picks the books sometimes, has a mind of her own), but he's orchestrating some kind of romantic break-down-Jack thing and might have the hots for Kate, it seems.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

and cannot allow new people into the community

true but it seems like there's something more going on than keeping their colony a secret. Ben just blurts out "get the list" and Ethan and Goodman automatically know what that means (choosing who is good to capture and experiment on, apparently). I think they have been actively on the prowl for human guinea pigs?

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

How could Ben not have known book club was happening?

Maybe this season will be all Desperate Housewives in a weird version of suburbia.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

"I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT TO SET OFF THE TORRENT> WAHHHHHHHHH!)"

why don't you just watch it on abc's site?

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 5 October 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

also I guess you're supposed to think that the staticky intercom saying "let it go jack" in dad's voice was a hallucination? kinda like seeing dad run around the island? but there's an outside shot that the Others can "cause" these types of visions a la some psychic Walt shit?

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

So how are they getting stuff from the outside world (Jack's file, incl Christian's autopsy report)? Surely there has been more at their disposal than just that shoddy little boat.

Also, Jack and Kate were injected w/ something...does anyone else believe this may have to do with "the next two weeks are going to be very unpleasant", ie INFECTION?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

They might have been faking it with Jack's file. She didn't really reveal much personal information about him. They could have Googled him to get the info they had about where he went to school. I think it's just part of the psychological test/tease. Make Jack think they've got paper with all the answers to his questions.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

or they could have just grilled him when he was doped up. that's what i think they did.

i really liked this episode!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Biggest Mystery of the Week:

Why was "Downtown" in the Talking Heads "Speaking in Tongues" CD case?

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i didn't get that either. maybe she doesn't put her CDs back right. and i'm not saying that maria d does this as well. i'm not NOT saying that she does this as well either...

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

That's easy. Juliet is totally slack about which case she puts her CDs in, which is the crack in her and Benry's relationship because Benry, like any normal human being, HATES it when people don't put CDs back in the correct cases.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

i got drunk and missed it, was it a good episode?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

OMG instead of "Downtown" it should've been "Naive Melody {This Must Be The Place)"!!!!

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to Scott in the other room: Hey, that was the old me!

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Get a room you two. Er, two rooms.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah and Moonlight Serenade was playing on Jack's car radio in the first scene of his flashback

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

FINALLY.

holy shit, that opening sequence.

also re Carrie, things to note: Revenge themes, popular people (remember Hurley's comment about a survivors' clique), telekinesis/telepathy. It's interesting that that's Juliet's favourite book, maybe she identifies with Carrie?

Btw, was Karl one of the survivors from the tail section who got taken?

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Tentative NO on Karl.

OMG some online random had to point this out before i caught it, but the Dharma symbols where both Jack AND Sawyer are are the same...they are probably at the same place, all three of them.

So do you guys think Jack triggered his dad's relapse?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Well, yeah, they're at the same place. What do you mean?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

yeah they are all at the Dharma Hydra hatch, former polar bear and shark training ground repurposed for misguided utopian cult's torture funtimes

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, duh, they're at the same place. the thing about being underwater was bullshit.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well I am naive. I probably wouldn't pass the tests (testes).

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

Unless.... they're ALL in an underwater world that looks just like the outside. *mindblown*

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

I too confused all the blondes. x-post—Penny is Desmond's rich girlfriend who's looking for him. She's a benign blonde. Maybe. The other two are def. toxic. Juliet not simply telling Jack that they were underwater=Sarah not telling him her boyfriend's name. Needless control-freak withholding of info. That's what the Others are all about, of course, but Sarah was just being vile. Jack did save her from paralysis, after all.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

what a weird ep, how long until Jack and Juliette hook up.

the ending was a bit flat, as Dan said upthread, it did seem like "yes that's right.....my name is.......BEN".

ok.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

will desmond's father in law from the OC come back now that he's on Ugly Betty?

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Juliette is teh new blonde hawtness, albeit in a suburban soccer MILF way. I don't trust her at all though.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

also who was the dude fixing Juliette's plumbing, doesn't seem like something BEN would do.

What is on BEN's ipod?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

what a weird ep, how long until Jack and Juliette hook up.

not long I'd guess

maybe the lists are about "superior genetic stock" and "human potential" and breeding next-level (psychic or superpowerful or whatever) humans in isolated hiveworld

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

dude fixing juliet's plumbing was Ethan Rom. You see him for a split second as they all start running outside the house.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

OMG guys i just thought of something - there are still at least 2 815 crash CHILDREN in the Others' custody (Emma & the little boy) - where are they? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Needless control-freak withholding of info.

"It's like she gets off on being withholding." - Buster Bluth

LOST = Arrested Development + Twilight Zone

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of totally trust Juliet.

Is it just me or has Sawyer had the worst time of anyone on the island? Stabbed, shot, multiple punchings & kickings, and now ELECTROCUTED?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

All that just makes him stronger.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, not to mention bamboo shoots up the fingernails!

The thing with the Talking Heads CD case...I'm totally going to edit the audio in that scene so "Naive Melody" plays, because it totally makes too much sense.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

during that scene I was definitely all "ooh talking heads" and then "uh petula clark, wha?"

maybe Benifer "disapproved" of Talking Heads and replaced it w/ blander fare

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Dude I totally didn't realize this until I saw the thread on thefuselage.com but "Moonlight Serenade" wasn't just the song playing in Jack's car in flashback, but it was also the song playing in the Sayid/Hurley "anywhere in time" scene!!!

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

"blander fare"

― Vacillatrix (x Jeremy), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

OMG and she was crying because she REALLY wanted to listen to "Making Flippy Floppy". DAMN YOU BENRYIFER GALE!

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Can we talk about stuff in the next-week-on-LOST bit on this thread?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

It's not included in the torrents. : (

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

normally I think it's weird not to talk about "next week on Lost" but it was more spoily than usual this time

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

it was also the song playing in the Sayid/Hurley "anywhere in time" scene!!!

yeah that's what I was meaning to highlight

I forgot my other post about Moonlight Serenade was on a whole 'nother thread

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

"blander fare"

like a musical fish biscuit

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

This episode didn't float my fishing boat. I think back to the start of the last season, which messed with all your expectations and boom boom boom with the different POVs and Mama Cass and some new blonde woman putting on a CD instead of a record is a poor update, even with the intriguing wrong jewel case angle.

More Lost 10.2.9 than 10.3.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

So does anybody have any clue what may have been going on in the opening scene with the extended shot of Juliet going through an whole range of I'M-A-CRAZY-CHICK emotions in the mirror?

― cws (cws), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

No, but do you think the fish biscuit is like a giant Goldfish cracker? YUM!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

(living in Holland, watching torrent day later, echoeing American praise:)

OMG! The opening sequence got me exited, and then... The first shot is from: MELORA WALTERS (she's playing Juliette, innit?). Awesome, I lurv her!

Nice developement, too. I think they did know the plane was gonna come down. What if the plane-survivors were THE CHOSEN ONES? The plane was supposed to crash with these people on it. They already know everything about them.

Suprises/weird things:
- Ben locking the door for Juliette when the water hit.
- Jack hearing "Let it go" through the intercom, which were the words his father said in the flashback we saw before that, exactly the same. Although that could be the hallucinations 'docter' Juliette spoke of.

Oh, uhm, and Sawyer fucking rocks! "The bears got it in two hours" cracked me up.

Oh, for all hopeless torrento's, try mininova.org, works like a charm.

(dozens of x-posts)

― Gerard (Gerard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

whole range of I'M-A-CRAZY-CHICK emotions in the mirror?

I took it as possible Ben / Juliet breakup drama + inability to escape from stifling domestic hassles of island suburban "paradise" (can't go downtown to forget all your worries, there's nowhere to go)

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

The part where the guy escapes from his cage and lets Sawyer out was clearly all just an act, right? Maybe a ploy to either make Sawyer trust (and talk to) the cage guy if he ever shows up again?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Kate has been injected with something. Maybe this is what is going to make "the next two weeks very unpleasant" for her.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

Is it just me or has Sawyer had the worst time of anyone on the island? Stabbed, shot, multiple punchings & kickings, and now ELECTROCUTED?

I noticed that on this particular episode too - Kate gets a shower, a new summer dress, and breakfast sur la plage, Jack gets an enclosed room and food grilled cheese sammy!), but Sawyer gets an outdoor bear cage, with shocks if he doesn't get the food thing right, and bear biscuits when he finally does.

And I wonder if the producers wanted the Talking Heads but couldn't get the rights after filming the scene?

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

fact that dude magically had keys to both cages made me think it was def. a setup

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

that and he specifically asked Sawyer to run the other way, presumably so he could dash on some fake blood.

also, Juliet didn't seem all that surprised to find Sawyer in the jungle.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

The cages would likely be keyed the same, though. He may have pilfered or made a key for his cage but was waiting for the right time to use it.

Devil's advocate here, I think he's one of them too, especially since he told Saywer to run a different direction as they escaped.

x-post

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

that was not melora walters

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

nickn - So, what Talking Heads song do you think they WANTED to use?

― schwantz (schwantz), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Once in a Lifetime?

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

I have no idea, thoughthe suggestion above sounded good ("Naive Melody"). Maybe the obsessives will freeze-frame/enhance an image of the disk itself to see if they can ID it by the printing.

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

guarantee it was supposed to be 'this must be the place'

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Home is where i want to be
Pick me up and turn me round
I feel numb - burn with a weak heart
(so i) guess i must be having fun
The less we say about it the better
Make it up as we go along
Feet on the ground
Head in the sky
It's ok i know nothing's wrong . . nothing

Hi yo i got plenty of time
Hi yo you got light in your eyes
And you're standing here beside me
I love the passing of time
Never for money
Always for love
Cover up + say goodnight . . . say goodnight

Home - is where i want to be
But i guess i'm already there
I come home - -she lifted up her wings
Guess that this must be the place
I can't tell one from another
Did i find you, or you find me?
There was a time before we were born
If someone asks, this where i'll be . . . where i'll be

Hi yo we drift in and out
Hi yo sing into my mouth
Out of all tose kinds of people
You got a face with a view
I'm just an animal looking for a home
Share the same space for a minute or two
And you love me till my heart stops
Love me till i'm dead
Eyes that light up, eyes look through you
Cover up the blank spots
Hit me on the head ah ooh

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

CRAPHOLE ISLAND is where I want to be

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

OH SHIT guys I just remembered this - was Jack POPPING PILLS during the in-his-car "Moonlight Serenade" scene!?! And if so WHAT?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, it's back. We have learned nothing, and I still maintain that Jack's dad is going to turn up alive.

Didn't Juliet used to be in ER?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

no sign of pills, just coffee. And because I AM obsessed, I freezed frame on the CD - the CD just says "THIS SIDE UP". xposts

And I freezed frame on a completed crossword in Jack's car which included the answers: raft, necessary evils, vital statistics, prenatal, heroes, ensemble, essential facts. I'm reading too much into this obvs but the writers do love to throw in things that aren't really clues so much as just fun details.

In case anyone's still interested in numbers, the time on Jack's pager was 7:15:23.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 5 October 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

Now see, it's attention to detail like that that really bothers me wrt the whole Talking Heads vs Petula Clark thing.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 October 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

fun fact: "Downtown" was written by one Tony... Hatch.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 5 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

kid in the cage was obviously in on it.

BEN locking the door on Juliet was not surprising, and part of the plan. Jack flounders, she saves him, builds trust, he puts his back against the wall. ALL PART OF THE PLAN.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 5 October 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, Kyle you're right. IMDB sez it's one Elizabeth Mitchell, who in fact was, indeed, Dr. Kim Legaspi, on ER.

― Gerard (Gerard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

-I think I genuinely believe that the Others are not Dharma Initiative people.

-The Dharma Initiative was on to something but fizzled out or was taken over by the others.

-THE ISLAND is definitely still a crucial character lurking in-between every line of the script. While they may be living very comfortably, the Others do NOT own the island.

-The Others aren't just living in suburban paradise. They're working on something but it is definitely different from what the Dharma Initiative was working on. Or, they're building on the work laid down by the DI and moving in a different, possibly more self-serving direction. (The Hippies turned into the Yuppies). They are using old DI structures for things other than their intended uses.

-At the same time, they're not working very HARD on anything pre-crash since they're just fixing pluming and having book clubs and shit. The 815 crash clearly threatens them, but even more so, it gives them purpose, setting them into action.

-The complex that the Others LIVE in is very intriguing. These may all be very obvious points, but 1)I cant believe how WTF shiny and new and pretty their houses are. 2) They're not really houses, they kind of have a cabin feel to them... like a religious cult or a summer camp. 3) They are very different from all other structures on the island, all of which were left over from DI (save for the foot sculpture in the S2 finale).

-Whoever suggested they couldn't get the rights to a Talking Heads song was probably OTM, but wasn't it Downtown that played in last season’s premiere, down in the hatch? I'm probably wrong about this...

-Naive Melody works, but Downtown could too. Maybe Juliet's a city girl and just misses urban life. (This hits close to home for me.) This is probably to small a character trait to introduce her with though. I need to go back and watch this scene.

-At any rate, Juliet was supposed to be playing mind games with Jack, but because of problems with Ben, might crack and start sympathizing with Jack.

-Interesting that Sawyer gets the Polar Bear cage, being the one who shot it in S1.

-KID IN THE CAGE IS ROSSEAU'S SON. HE IS ONE OF THEM BUT NOT ONE OF THEM.

-KATE WILL BE GETTING IMPREGNATED.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

lol@the others living in Wisteria Lane.

OMFG@whole episode.

yum@fishbiscuit

bedtime, will talk srsly tomorrow.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

ROUSSEAU DOES NOT HAVE A SON THOUGH, SHE HAS A DAUGHTER, ALEX, WHO IS WITH THE OTHERS BUT IS APPARENTLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE CRASH SURVIVORS.

x-post.

― cws (cws), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

weird thing: on the leaked clip on youtube of Sawyer in his cage talking to 'Carl'...Swayer actually calls him Carl before he gets shocked by the food thing. but this was cut out of the episode i just watched.

Jack is in The Hydra underwater away from Swayer and Kate. Ben telling Kate the next two weeks were going to be v unpleasant = super creepy. but remember, 2 weeks in Lost world is half a season!

don't think Ben and Juliet are actually an item - he came out of a different house on his own when the plane came down.

don't think they planned the crash even tho Ben wasn't too panicked while Others looked concerned - he just had a plan for if it DID happen?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Dont Juliet and Ben refer to eachother as husband and wife? Maybe he's the Patriarch of a polygamous society and has his own dwellings?

I must have missed info re: Rousseau's daughter. When was this revealed?

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

At the end of season one she said her baby was a girl named "Alexandra." Then later we met Alex in season two when she helped Claire escape from the Medical Hatch and she showed up a couple times towards the end of season two as well.

― cws (cws), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember B+J calling each other husband and wife but they seem to have some kind of past ("I guess I'm kicked out of the book club")

song from Season 2 premiere was Mama Cass "Make Your Own Kind of Music"

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

I am forgetting that I shouldn't post until I finish watching season two. I still have a few episodes that I missed. My Bad. :(

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, also: The 9INE will last half as long as INVASION.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Get yerselves on over to Lostpedia. They've got it all worked out!

The CD That Juliet places in her stereo is actually a dualdisc CD/DVD with the serial of "JN 94743". This serial belongs to the album "Okemah and the Melody of Riot", by artist "Son Volt". This album was released in 2005. The CD is taken from the jewel case for the album "Speaking In Tongues" by artist "Talking Heads".

― myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

That is kind of worrying, though.

― myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

are the next five episodes all going to be Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Others and then catch up with everyone else in February? this one episode didn't really end on a cliffhanger, it's just set things up nicely to the point where i wouldn't really mind if the next episode was focussing on other people.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

don't answer that, lostpedia has answered my questions.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

See, I was just about to tell you that. I should go to bed instead of filling my weary head with this nonsense!

― myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Nikki and Paulo WTF?!

― myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

careful with spoilers

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

So Ethan Rom then...remember back when we were trying to figure out whether he was an imposter? Way back in season one? And the thing that tipped us off was OMG HIS NAME IS ETHAN ROM! That's an anagram of OTHER MAN!

Except that now, it turns out he was called Ethan before the plane actually crashed. So that doesn't make sense.

Unless Ben's full name is Ben Ossofthermo, and it's an anagram of BOSS OF OTHER MEN.

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

ok question from 'next week on lost...': we see benry go 'omg how they get sailboat???' - did the others not know about desmond? am i forgetting any conclusive proof there?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 October 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

it's kinda funny to see they're gonna play 'omg gunshot! someone falls into the water! they dead?!!!' gambit again.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 October 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

Jack is in The Hydra underwater away from Swayer and Kate.

But it can't be very far from them because moments after Juliet was with Jack, she tasered an escaping Sawyer.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

The "prenatal" word in the crossword is another hint at Kate with child.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 5 October 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

it was def. sun what got shot. so it is a slightly different spin! "omg gunshot! someone falls into the water! AND SHE HAS A BOYBEE!"

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 5 October 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe they shot Kate up with fertility drugs. Then they're going to put Sawyer and her in the same cage for a while to see how these subjects breed in captivity.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 6 October 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

Couldn't "prenatal" also refer to whatsherface w/ the BOYBEE (that was stabbed and Ethanized many many times during her stay @ Chez Dharma) or Sun, tho? Or just The Others' fetish for baby flesh?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 October 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

fun fact: "Downtown" was written by one Tony... Hatch.

If they were going to use Tony Hatch songs, they should have used the theme from Neighbours. It would be more appropriate!

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Friday, 6 October 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

I just watched the episode again on the ABC website. I'm mistaken -- there is no mention of Ben and Juliet being man and wife. Adam in the book club says something to the effect of, "I know the host picks the book, but Ben wouldn't even read this in the bathroom." She says "I am the host."

"There's still free will around this place." -- wondering what that means.

If Ethan fixing her plumbing is a "work in progress" maybe there's something going on between Juliet and him? Maybe crazy faces in the mirror have to do with his loss?

The crossword has the word O'Toole in it - one of the production staff in the credits.

"They banged you up pretty bad, I'll bring you some antiseptic." What happened to Kate between breakfast and cage?

Sawyer's love-eyes make me a little weak in the knees.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 6 October 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

"They banged you up pretty bad, I'll bring you some antiseptic." What happened to Kate between breakfast and cage?

I think they refers to the handcuffs themselves. She doesn't show any signs of being injured anywhere else. But its still creepy that we never get to see what happens at or after breakfast.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe she was having trouble w/ the grapefruit fork?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 October 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

handcuffs will seriously fuck yr wrists up

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 6 October 2006 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

it was def. sun what got shot. so it is a slightly different spin! "omg gunshot! someone falls into the water! AND SHE HAS A BOYBEE!"

Sigh.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 6 October 2006 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

handcuffs will seriously fuck yr wrists up

-- j blount (jamesbloun...), October 6th, 2006 12:35 AM. (papa la bas) (later) (link)

Yeah. cuffs fucking hurt.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 6 October 2006 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure someone posted this on an older LOST thread, but they don't stop playing this ad in Hawaii: http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWdENTd3uI4

I'm thiking it needs to be updated.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 07:33 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't Tom a bit like Michael Madsen? Very funny all the same, I'm just waiting for him to say to Sawyer: "Y'know.....when all shit is over you and me should go get a coupla' beers"

I agree with Alba sort of, it was a bit of a flat episode, I wouldn't say disappointing but it didn't feel like a grand entrance for series 3, just like another episode...but then we'd be complaining if they bombarded you with even more questions too.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 6 October 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

i actually wish the torrents would include the 'next week on Lost' clips now seeing as i always end up having to read about them here anyway. i shouldn't have looked at the next two episode synopses on lostpedia anyway.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 6 October 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

that KFC advert is mental

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 6 October 2006 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

Is Tom a homosexual?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 6 October 2006 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

What makes you say that?

― myopic_void (myopic_void), Friday, 6 October 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

Some torrents do include the "next week on lost" parts

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 6 October 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

What makes you say that?

just the way he said to Kate "you're not my type". also i'm sure i saw some sequins on his tattered rags.

Some torrents do include the "next week on lost" parts

do they mention this in the filenames? the ones i get never have them (i use xtvi)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 6 October 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

Two things I think I spotted on the first run-through but need to see again to be sure:

Juliet was the woman on the boat during the Walt kidnap (this what happens when you watch the catchup and the first episode next to each other).

The guy Jack is treating when he sees his dad laughing and assumes he's talking to Sarah looks an awful lot like Mr Beardy.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 6 October 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

So... she was listening to a CD that came out in 2005? The crash was September 04, right? I think they fucked up here.

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 6 October 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

yeh it's just a continuity error, possibly deliberate, for fans to pick up on.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 6 October 2006 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

I kept thinking I recognised Juliet (so maybe from boat if aldo's right) but wasn't sure if I just knew the actress.

The trouble with starting the season like this with a 'oh look they're completely fucking with Jack, Kate and Sawyer' thing (rather than say, going back to Hurley/Sayid/Locke&Eko) is that the audience ends up feeling a bit like WE'RE just being fucked with too. Because basically *anything* could have happened and it could all have been a staged experiment/test. It was the Lost episode any of us might write. I loved the beginning with the fake suburbia book group and muffins thing though.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no actually I know her from being James Spader's crazy ex-girlfriend on Boston Legal which I've been watching on DVD. Which is why I was associating her with a 'CRAZY, DON'T TRUST HER!' vibe I guess.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

I liked the episode but wasn't totally wowed by the opening five minutes. I mean, I was delightfully disoriented, just as with the first episode of Season 2, but a) I was pretty sure this was Otherville right away (what else would it be?), and b) it wasn't as amazing of a sequence, editing-wise, as Desmond's daily routine was.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

handcuffs will seriously fuck yr wrists up

Whoops - forgot that Benry had her tighten them up. That bastard.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

OMG interesting minutiae courtesy of obsessive internet LOST nerds - the same actress that greeted a now -1 kindey Locke back in the ep "Deus Ex Machina" (one Julie Ow) was seen working with Jack in this episode. Some are theorizing that Jack or his dad have something to do with Locke's paralysis (via botched spinal surgery, drunken hit-n-run, etc), which I have almost been EXPECTING since I realized Jack lived in LA (where Locke might have been taken for a spinal surgery, living in Tustin).

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Othertown was like the Truman Show.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

i am so stupid when i watch this show so the first five minutes for me were like:

"omg that's Henry's eye - it's Henry flashback time....oh no wait it's Penny...cool!

lol 'Downtown' (my gf has weird aversion to this song)...oh wait this isn't Penny it's some new girl

so where are they? maybe California? omg is that the plane? they can't be on the Island right? omg the plane! holy shit! omg there's Henry Gale! OMG they ARE on the island!!!1111111111111111"

but most of that just in my head thankfully

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

At the book club meeting, Juliet says "there's still such a thing as free will on this..." RUMBLE RUMBLE...she was totally about to say ISLAND. I am glad that they seem to be back into a free will vs fate theme rather than the fate vs omg it's all a conspiracy! thing (which I guess is always still a possibility).

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

OMG also the Others are growing weed. When Sawyer first looks around at his surroundings, check out the bushes. I swear to god those are totally weed plants.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

I bet it's all Tom's.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

HOW DO THEY HAVE MULTIPLE COPIES OF THE SAME BOOK?!?!?!?!

― BONERTIME! (ddb1), Friday, 6 October 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PRINTING PRESS

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 October 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

OF COURSE!! AND THE RESOURCES TO PRINT DIFFERENT EDITIONS!!!!

YAY DHARMA!!

― BONERTIME! (ddb1), Friday, 6 October 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

THEY PRINT THE BOOKS USING THE BLOOD OF THE BOYBEES THEY STAB WITH THEIR STEELY KNIFES I MEAN NEEDLES

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

but all the books had different covers.

on lost-forums they're trying to figure out Juliet's ebay name.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO...had did Juliet GET CDS...while desmond had to listen to AM GOLD...on !!!VINYL!!!

― BONERTIME! (ddb1), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

They were actually laser discs, the Others are GIANTS.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

you have the best 'handle' on the internets, and i am jealousest.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 6 October 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO...had did Juliet GET CDS...while desmond had to listen to AM GOLD...on !!!VINYL!!!

good question actually!

I think Des was in The Hatch That Time Forgot (probably not altered much since set up by the o.g. Dharma people however many years ago)

whereas the Others seem to have contact with the outside world to get CD players and muffin pans and Stephen King books (and possibly passenger manifests and deep background searches)

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

or maybe HAD contact at some point in the past

it would be tough to stay secret if they kept calling up the home office every 5 minutes

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

i am going to rewatch bits now. but surely the most prominent new fact we have here to refactor all the theories is that they have a Jack dossier

they have contact with the rest of the world
OR
plane crash WAS planned

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

OMG also the Others are growing weed. When Sawyer first looks around at his surroundings, check out the bushes. I swear to god those are totally weed plants.

Weed grows like crazy on Oahu. It's actually amazing that they managed two whole seasons without any of it in a single shot.

xpost: OR they got the info from him while he was drugged. Ben CLEARLY tells Ethan "There just might be survivors, you're one of them. I want a list in three days."

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) OR
they learned all that by either drugging him (as they did with Claire) or Googling him, and then they faked the dossier to bend his will

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost
the most prominent new fact we have here to refactor all the theories is that they have a Jack dossier
=

they have contact with the rest of the world
OR
plane crash WAS planned

or they gave him truth serum while he was konked out and made him tell all
OR
the others had spies who infiltrated the plane crash (as seen at the beginning of the show) who collected some basic info to freak him out into believing they know ALL

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

I think Des was in The Hatch That Time Forgot (probably not altered much since set up by the o.g. Dharma people however many years ago)

But the hatch had a relatively new washing machine. Not to mention Dharma continued to send food via parachute.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about the washing machine but the computer was old school

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 6 October 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Googling him = contact with outside world. obv

the details she gave were too much for infiltrators to have harvested. could have got it out of him in sequences we don't see, but i think that would be unfair to the viewers. i feel. not too strongly.

so i guess benry lied about liking Stephen King when he was a captive :-D

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

He never said he liked SK though, he just asked "what, no Stephen King?", which now seems like he was being sarcastic.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost:
Yeah that washing machine kind of threw me too.

Maybe Sears threatened to pull thier support of Extreme Home Makeover unless ABC started planting thier goods in other shows.

Also, i'd like to think that the Others survive without Google.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

adam in the bookgroup refers to Carrie as sci fi crap, which sort of implies he (and by extension this group) don't take PK powers seriously - despite their interest in walt. hmm.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

also their base = myst!

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

The whole show reminds me of Myst, despite never having ever played Myst.

But there's something very video-gamey about exploring new worlds, new sides of the island we haven't seen before. The black-light map is like Kelvin/Radzinsky's attempt at a walk-through.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

sort of implies he (and by extension this group) don't take PK powers seriously

I don't know how much you can really read into the Stephen King stuff, I think the line about "sci-fi crap" was just a self-deprecating in-joke. SK is a big Lost fan, he writes an occasional column about the show in Entertainment Weekly.

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Oh guys, apparently Drew Goddard is on as a staff writer/supervising producer this year. If you are interested.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

So I DJ at this bar in Portland every Thursday night and so obviously I opened my set up last night with "Downtown".

― cws (cws), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Do the fish biscuits actually taste of fish?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

where do you dj, nerdland?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, they taste of fish, we know this because the LOST producers are pioneering the new TASTE-O-VISION technology.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

if the reward is for poley bears it prob should taste of fish

is jack's prison a shark tank??

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

At a really shitty bar, fritz.

― cws (cws), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

It was a tank for sharks *and* dolphins - maybe to see how bad guys and good guys swim together.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 6 October 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

Stephen King did an extensive interview with the Lost creators in Entertainmet Weekly last (this?) week. "Carrie" could just be a shout out to a buddy. As far as the Talking Heads...I'm sure there's a "Traditional Music of Craphole Island" CD somewhere in the Luaka Bop discography.

― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 7 October 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond and Penny are both names in Beatles songs.
I'm not sure that means anything.
I watched the last fifteen minutes of this episode, and have been reading the analysis ever since. Which is completely backward, but it makes it kind of interesting. I might watch it now, on my BRAND NEW COMPUTER!!!!, but might wait to watch it off the tivo.
I think I like reading about LOST here more than actually watching it! Although, like ms. monkey, I could watch Sayid for hours...

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 7 October 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

isn't there a dance track that samples the Lost intro theme sound already?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 7 October 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

does this possibly give clue w/r/t intercom w. jack's dad's voice on it?

except for the amazing pre-credits, not quite as great an opener as s02e01, probably just because the jack/desmond flashback was so uncanny, whereas this one was a bit routine.

― benrique (Enrique), Sunday, 8 October 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

isn't there a dance track that samples the Lost intro theme sound already?

damn you moby!

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 9 October 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

I swear to God on a computer at home I have a .avi of a Jorge Garcia interview where he talks about phones that have that sound as a ringtone.

(he is an extremely funny man, btw)

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Monday, 9 October 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

dude.

― Roz (Roz), Monday, 9 October 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Hi there, 24/m/uk/torrenting

My tuppence:

"the hydra" couldn't be totally underwater, coz if it was jack wouldn't have been able to reclose the door against so much pressure.

New CDs and books: we know the island has SOME contact with the outside world because of the FOOD DROP with the ranch dressing from last season (unless the others have an aeroplane). If outside world are supplying the others with carepackages, makes sense they would include entertainment.

Jack's "this is your life" book was fake, they got the info from a spy (my guess oh please let it be hurley!). Either way the blonde grilled sandwich lady is lying to jack (and not happy about it based on her expression after Benry's "well done *i chew on my own face now*) because you don't get info from the tax office or google about yr exwife being "happy, she's very happy".

Why are the others pretending to live in Huts and Rags when they have nice houses and shirts and dockers? is it purely for the benefit of jack et al?

ALSO, what caused the earth quake? early warning system for planes in airspace or ISLAND GOD IS EXCITED EARTH SHAKES?

Is this the first episode so far where there have been flashbacks from two different characters? (this one: juliette bookclub fun AND jack's crazy jealous fuckery)

a question: HOW CAN I as a lowly uker watch the epsiodes on the abc websites? would a proxy work (i don;t really know what this means...)

Good episode!

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO, what caused the earth quake? early warning system for planes in airspace or ISLAND GOD IS EXCITED EARTH SHAKES?

problem here was the sky didn't go all 'white' as it did in the s02 finale. but it's overly tricksy for the shakes NOT to be the electromagnetic inman-desmond fight thing causing the plane crash.

though still benry's mention of lists is a big 'hmmmm'.

Is this the first episode so far where there have been flashbacks from two different characters? (this one: juliette bookclub fun AND jack's crazy jealous fuckery)

desmond at start of in s02e01 was similar out of sequence i think?

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

i'd have to rewatch, but surely desmond's singalong workout from S02e01 was in time with the hatch being blown open, and not a flashback?

Ben's List making must have been old hat by the time of the plane crash, they'd (or their forefathers) nabbed rousseux's kid (and maybe more) from the boat crash years earlier. ALTHOUGH they can't be making lists of good people based on spies' observations because "the first night, they took 3 of us", they must have prior info.

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it was the 'system failure' that caused the white light/noise, but Desmond enacting the failsafe...I think the earthquake was the actual 'system failure' itself. Problem is, why was there no earthquake in the season 2 finale in the moments leading up to the white light/big noise/failsafe?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

the shakes are the magnet going crazy cause Des didn't put in the numbers

the sky didn't go white b/c the first time (when the plane crashed) he didn't use the failsafe key ... only did it the second time cause Locke broke the computer

xpost

― dmr (Renard), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

"the first night, they took 3 of us", they must have prior info

didn't they take the kids the first night? the good / bad thing doesn't seem to apply to children, they just want em all.

― dmr (Renard), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

but more importantly: How do i shot ABC LOST STREAM?

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Having just watched the last 5 episodes of series 2 then episode 1 of series 3 in one go, I don’t think I can wait a week at a time to t0rr3nt it now.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

i feel yr pain

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

I woke up in a cold, cold sweat this morning realising that Benry may be some kind of fascist bear-fancying crazo:

(1) Ben = Benito
(2) Short, pudgy, sinister.
(3) First time we see Benry = same as last time we saw Benito M (i.e. strung upside down)

― Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

i was thinking of watching the next 5 episodes all in one go but obv. this would mean waiting so screw that for the time being.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

do you mean you have the next five episodes of this season?! where'd you get them?

― suicide hotline orgasm (blood bitch), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

i think he means waiting 5 weeks to watch them.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 08:35 (nineteen years ago)

fuck waiting 5 weeks, i need a fix.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie and Kate are getting married next Summer, in real life.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 08:23 (nineteen years ago)

FUCK REAL LIEF.
New episode tomorrow!

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

They are such a cute little hobbitty couple...

http://www.beygla.is/editor/userimages/Evangeline%20Lilly%20&%20Dominic%20Monaghan.jpg

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

It's weird seeing her give the wuvvy eyes to Not-Sawyer.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

caption for that pic: "LOOK I CAN PUT REEDZ UP MY NAILZ TOO, IT DON'T HURT OR NOTHING"

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think one or both of their characters should be killed off asap.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Kate, I might be okay with. Charlie though is one of my favs, 50% of best lines.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

still the dullest story arc tho, apart from Claire

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not a big Charlie fan tbh.
i like a few of the sly looks and expressions he pulls out, but Sawyer gets all the best lines, Charlie gets what's left on the writing-room floor.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Eko: Charlie, do you know how they got the hatch door open?
Charlie: No, but if you hum a few bars I could figure it out.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

nothing has topped Swayer's "coconut internet" quip so far

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie must go for awful sub Sean Bean brother flashbacks.

I want an Irish character, where is the Chief O'Brien of Lost???

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

that Charlie 'gag' is the oldest gag in the world!

i very much liked when Ana Lucia suggested he give the gun to 'somebody who knows how to use it' and he held it out to her, before handing it to Sayid when she reached out to take it. THAT's good Charlie.

also, Polar Bear on Rollerskates with a Mango, that was ok.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

charlie is ok on the island but his flashbacks are the lame. kate is bland.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

and yeah, Charlie's flashbacks have all been pretty pish.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

OMG guys I was talking about the "Moonlight Sonata" thing with my grandma and she pointed out to me that that song was by Glen Campbell, who died IN A PLANE CRASH IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie's flashback ep from last season was one of my favorites. The song he sang with his brother about broke my haert.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

OMG guys I was talking about the "Moonlight Sonata" thing with my grandma and she pointed out to me that that song was by Glen Campbell, who died IN A PLANE CRASH IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC.

Innnnn-teresting.

Does this lend credence to the theory that skeleton Eve in the caves = Amelia Earhardt?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

kate is not bland. i quite enjoy her back story because of the heavy escape theme (forgetting the lameness of the toy plane thing for sake of argument). better than Jack's crappy 'fix you' thing.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Surely Glen Campbell = Glenn Miller? The former was a lineman for the county, the latter was in the mood.

― Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

who's Amelia Earhardt? a LE person? or have i missed a trick?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

THIS IS NOT A THE LEX PARODY THREAD.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

that means about as much to me as a Louis Jagger reference. no idea what you're getting at.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think Hurley's flashback episodes have been my favorites. Except the one with Shelby from Hustle & Flow.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley's flashback efforts were the weakest, except parts of the Dave stuff.
Echo's first flashback was masterful.
Tomorrow night = first Louis Jagger flashback.

― Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Starring David Byrne and a CGI'd John Wayne.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

so who's Amelia whatshername?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Amelia Mary Earhart (July 24, 1897 – missing as of July 2, 1937), daughter of Edwin and Amy Earhart, was an American aviator and noted early female pilot who mysteriously disappeared over the Pacific Ocean during a circumnavigational flight in 1937.

― Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

not Lost-related then. ok...

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Everything is Lost-related. EVERYTHING!

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Starring David Byrne and a CGI'd John Wayne.

David Byrne should cover 'John Wayne is Big Leggy' for the season finale.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Does this lend credence to the theory that skeleton Eve in the caves = Amelia Earhardt?

I think it means that the skeleton in the caves was a rhinestone cowboy.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Who else thinks we won't see hide nor hair of Eko, Locke, or Desmond in tonight's episode either?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I hate to assume that they're all still alive & well though just because their (actors who portray them's) names are still in the credits.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

I like entertainment weekly's prediction that hatch magnetic bombardment has turned Desmond into the hulk

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

wait, do you really not know who amelia earhart is????

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe her legend is one mostly of American folklore (kit is a Britisher).

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe Australian, I get all those white people confused.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Britisher.
honestly had never heard of Amelia Earhart.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

I know, I was just playing. Excelsior syndrome.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Goddamnit, this is the LONGEST day EVER, since last Wednesday at least.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

i finally got around to watching last weeks episode last night so today isn't too bad. it took some doing to avoid people telling me what happened this whole week however. i rememdied that by being too drunk to remember for most of it.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

i am worried about your lifestyle

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

you've got to start making up for Lost time

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

^^^^^ sky me!

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Surely Glen Campbell = Glenn Miller? The former was a lineman for the county, the latter was in the mood.

The song is Moonlight Serenade (Moonlight Sonata is Beethoven) and it was witten by Glen Miller, who did presumably die in a plane crash, but it was over the English Channel during WWII, not the South Pacific.

HOWEVER, his plane officially "dissapeared" and was never actually found.

You could say that the author of the song was.... LOST.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Man, how many things can I get wrong in one post? It seems I've LOST my ability to type anything coherently.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Do you guys find yourself emphasizing the word LOST ridiculously in actual meatspace conversations now? I do.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

what is meatspace?

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

but it was over the English Channel during WWII, not the South Pacific

THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE YOU TO THINK

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Was this in a flashback?

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

NO, IRL DUDE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Miller

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

p.s. meatspace = IRL

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

as in like "meat and bones" not "ones and zeroes"?

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

C/D: Famous people getting lost.

― Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Earhart was a babe:

http://www.ameliaearhart.com/images/gallery13a.jpg

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

"YOU TASTE LIKE FISH BISCUITS"!!!!!

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

OMG OMG OMG OMG RED SOX WIN, outside world!

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

They said "fishbiscuit" at least 3 times this episode. It's the new "in yr [etc] [etc]ing my/ur [etc]".

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

WTF: Sayid Gone Wild! TAKE TWO AND KILL THE REST.

I want Alex to escape with them and be reunited with her crzy jungle mom.

Okay, so a shit ton of this episode (which totally caught me off guard!) was subtitled, and it is storming here such that they kept running the "storm warning in these counties" scrawl at the bottom of the screen. what did jin say to, um, jae(?) before he kicked his ass (but did NOT kill him)?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

He told him to get out of the country, start a new life, and never return, or he would kill him.

― daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Thursday, 12 October 2006 01:22 (nineteen years ago)

CHAIN GANG LOOKS GOOD ON YOU

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 12 October 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yay, Sun gutshot Trixie the Whore! Hooray! (This show needs more serious bloodshed.)

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

i love sawyer more and more with every ep

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 12 October 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

ditto

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 12 October 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

this was a great episode. i don't even need them to go back to hobbit-boy and the rest. screw them. i don't even know who they are anymore!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 October 2006 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

I am kind of looking forward to whatever is to come of Sayid Gone Wild vs "Benjamin Linus, born on this island", as it seems to be shaping up to be.

And seriously, CUBS WIN THE WORLD SERIES haha.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

haha not cubs SOX jesus christ, if only this thing was voice activated

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

Sawyer shoulda shot that smirking blonde bitch. If Kate got shot in the process, so be it. This is the second time Kate has wussed out and ended up with a gun at her head, forcing her buddies to give up weapons. Fuck her. She's a liability.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

ain't they all

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Am so tempted to finish work early just so I can go home and watch episode 2.
Shall I?

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Shit, that had better Wolferine action than the whole of X-Men 3!

I love that the Others are all "Hey bros, we're not the bad guys! 4 reals!" but after all that lying baby snatching and killing introduction they just gotta get SHOT UP.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I was glad that Sun shot that curly headed woman on the boat, she was already annoying the hell out of me even though she had only had maybe 5 minutes of screentime.

I love the name Benjamin Linus.

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Me too!

Okay guys, so I'm pretty sure it was Sun who killed Jae Lee. This episode was called "The Glass Ballerina", young Sun dropped the glass ballerina to the floor and blamed the maid = it was probably Sun who dropped dude from the window. Also, I think we are to believe this happened right before the plane crash, so it seems this adds another element to her fleeing-to-America.

Now Jack is going to have to save "Colleen"'s life, I guarantee.

Also, another thing I think we were supposed to get from this episode is that Jin doesn't just understand English better than they think, but he just straight-up reads people better. No one told him exactly that Sun was cheating on him, but it seemed he had figured it out anyway, and ditto with the Sayid On Some Vengeance Shit adventure.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

That doesn't make any sense. Why would she kill him?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I don't get why Sun would kill him. However, if there isn't any further connection with Jae and the rest of the story now, that whole flashback was just frustrating and pointless.

Sawyer is STILL getting a worse deal than any other character, and he just gets better and better. Loved his reaction to Other telling kate that she could take her dress off.

Jack is so tedious, somehow.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

Sawyer has really grown on me too.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

No no no the flashback was good. It lets us know that Jin knows that Sun cheated on him! The Sun/Jin storyline is probably my favorite flashback series.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure why she would've killed him, it just seems to imply that (Jae Lee seemed so thankful that Jin let him live, a suicide seems odd, and he was grasping the pearls he gave her [maybe she gave them back, pushed him, oops u fell off building!]).

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Wait - how does the flashback tell us that Jin knows Sun was unfaithful?

I'm thinking that maybe Mr. Sun chucked the dude out of the window. Also, I didn't think she took the pearls.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Also, the Red Sox thing was AWESOME.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

It seems A LOT more likely that another of Sun's Dad's underlings would have killed Jae.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Jin said something to Jae about "never make contact again", I thought that kind of implied he knew the truth behind their "family shame".

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

The "glass ballerina" opening scene really obviously said something about lies and the people who were hurt by them, but I don't know, the parallel between that thing falling and breaking and Jae Lee falling and breaking too seemed intended.

I'm glad Sayid kind of got back to a better mental health space by the end, he was FREAKING me OUT.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

I think the implication of "He knows that I betrayed him" is supposed to be read in a broader context than "you built a fire with Sayyid to attract the Others and you didn't tell me."

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

otm, the baseball shit was super genius

she said she couldn't accept the pearls

I don't think Sun chucked the dude out of the window ... maybe the parallel with the maid / ballerina is he got killed because of her lying?

argh xpost x 5

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

It wasn't clear either way.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

so Ben is some kind of original Dharma test-tube baby turned evil?

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

I thought that kind of implied that he better get the fuck out of Japan before Mr. Sun and his broke-ass face find out about anything.

Wasn't Jin tagging along w/ someone during his first "mission" (or the return trip, after he inadvertently screwed up)? It's not odd, I guess, for folks to buddy up when delivering messages. And I don't doubt that Mr. Sun sent someone to make sure the job was done (given Jin's reaction in the office).

I think Locke's dad / the real Sawyer / Mr. Hanzo / the polar bear did it.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Um he's one of the good guys.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

I thought that kind of implied that he better get the fuck out of Japan...

They are KOREAN.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Your point?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

I like nutso "I WILL TORTURE MOTHERFUCKERS UNTIL I LEARN WHAT I WANT TO KNOW" Sayyid a lot. I hope he gets to torture Benry again.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure their story takes place in Seoul. It has in every flashback until now.

I kind of think we'll find out Ben's island ancestry goes back even further than DHARMA Hanso et al. Four-toed statue, people.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I think this bears repeating

TAKE TWO AND KILL THE REST

YEAH

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Okay since there is a next-week-on-LOST disclaimer, I've got to say I am REALLY REALLY looking forward to next week's episode, and even moreso the eventual Locke/Sayid (also probably Sun/Jin/Charlie/Eko/Desmond/etc) dream team rescue mission which is inevitable in eps 7 - 23.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Haha I was joking. Yeah it's Korea. It's always been Korea. Still I am sure that Jin didn't want Jae hanging out in Japan either. SO TAKE THAT!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

they're definitely in korea -- just look at the characters on the signs and shit.

xp i can't wait for eko and locke et al.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

Me neither. Adebisi is still my favorite character. And him and Locke play well off each other.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

My bad. The annoucement of Kate / Charlie nuptuals threw me for a loop.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

annoying: watching Lost with non-fans who are only mildly interested. annoying mostly because it's sort of embarassing when you say stuff like "oh SNAAAAAAAAAP" when Sawyer made out with kate or when they showed the pleasant valley other camp or whatever.

also, i could have SWORN that jae said he was gay last season?????

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

No he said he had a significant other who was American, I think.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

same diff?

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

JUST LIKE JAPAN = KOREA! DO YOU SEE?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

How stupid of it was for Sayid and Jin not to keep an eye on the boat? It would be be the first thing you'd see when you came to the clearing at the shore, besides the blazing fire, of course.

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

It was pretty stupid. Frankly I didn't understand all of them staying on the boat, but I am not an Iraqi military genius so. . .

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

OMG what if that woman was the woman Sun shot!!!! Lost would do that, they'll go there, yep.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

so what was Alex trying to tell Kate about the dude who tried to break out Sawyer -- something like "He wasn't supposed to be in that cage!"

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Jae Lee seemed so thankful that Jin let him live

I didn't get that impression at all.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

I got the impression Alex wuvs not-supposed-to-be-caged Carl, but it is FORBIDDEN.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I guess my impression was that Carl may be a "rogue Other" like Alex and was trying to help Sawyer for real, the way Alex helped Claire. Except Carl wasn't as good at being sneaky about it and now he's in trouble.

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

the other question as far as "how much has Jin figured out" -- did Sun ever tell him that it was him who couldn't have kids and not her? I don't think she ever did. (and I guess you're obviously supposed to wonder whether her unborn kid is Jae's.)

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

when will season 3 be aired in the UK? sadly I cant use torrents or any peer 2 peer programs where I currently live :(

― zlorgznorg (zlorgznorg), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

I guess Sun wouldn't have been all weepy weepy at his funeral if she had been the one who pushed him.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just riffing here man.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna have to watch this again.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Also not mentioned yet: SAWYER RIFFING ON COOL HAND LUKE

BOSS

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

I know island life and roughing it will have made them all fitter, but if Kate doesn't have tore up bleeding hands on day 2 of chain gang, I'll call bullshit. I'm sure they'll get around this by jumping ahead a few days next time we see Kate/Sawyer.

I like Sawyer, but when he called Kate "Shortcake" I wanted to shoot his face off. Enough with the cute nicknames!

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Sawyer really proved himself this episode. Every bit as resourceful as Sayid or Locke. Also his reaction to their suggestion that Kate could take off the dress, comedy GOLD.

How long until Kate realizes who Alex is? Would Alex know her name to be Alex Rousseau, or does she use an adopted surname?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

I would think Alex would NOT know her mom's name (how old when she was taken, age 3? infant?) .... but, maybe she has gotten a peek at her own file, if there is one.

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure why she would've killed him, it just seems to imply that (Jae Lee seemed so thankful that Jin let him live, a suicide seems odd, and he was grasping the pearls he gave her [maybe she gave them back, pushed him, oops u fell off building!]).

I think the father-in-law had another one of his men shadow Jin, since he seemed so reluctant to kill for him when he was first asked. The other guy finished off Jae Lee when Jin wouldn't.

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

I like how Sawyer seems to get a lot of satisfaction out of hitting the fish biscuit dispenser jackpot

it's like he's playing pinball

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

It's intellectually satisfying to him. (He runs on instinct, not brainpower.)

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

It'd be funny if the characters finally started to accrue brain damage from being hit on the head with the butts of guns so often.

Also that Sun's forbidden lover guy did a really great performance of a guy who's about to get shot!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

if Kate doesn't have tore up bleeding hands on day 2 of chain gang, I'll call bullshit.

She totally had red shit all over her hands and wrists right before the kiss part.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Jae Lee seemed so thankful that Jin let him live

I didn't get that impression at all.

I didn't either, nor did I think it was clear that Jin knew about Sun & Jae, certainly not from the comment "never make contact again." "He knows I betrayed him" gives a hint but I think it says more about Sun's guilt than about what Jin knows for sure yet (although he probably suspects it). The idea that Sun killed Jae seems totally crazy to me. Was she secretly following Jin without his realizing it or something??

'Kay, Sawyer kicking ass with the roundhouse kicks and all was awesome, and his reaction to "you can take it off" was great, but I still think he's too impulsive for me to really take to him.

And, yeah, the baseball thing ruled.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 12 October 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

ok silly question:

what the fuck do the others need people to break rocks for? is it just to degrade them?

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 12 October 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering that too. I guess it's something we might learn?

Actually, on second thought, Sawyer knew what he was doing and was just screwed over by the Kate factor so I'll take back the "impulsive" thing.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 12 October 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

is it just to degrade them?

A restaurant menu of psyops techniques. For Kate and Sawyer, two from column A: breaking them down physically with work to soften them up for whatever psych techniques to come, plus "Kate, if you misbehave, I'll tase Sawyer." For Jack, two from column B: isolation from friends and familiar surroundings, plus "cooperate and you get baseball games again." Plus drugs in Jack and Kate. If there were CIA and Pentagon PsyOps people watching last night, I wonder if they were nodding approvingly or laffing asses off.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

There are also drugs in Sawyer.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 October 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Love Drugs.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 12 October 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think Sun's "I can't" implies that she and Jae never had sex (despite lying in bed naked together) and could mean that Teh Island has fixed Jin's spunk.

Jae's room no was 1516. The return of THE NUMBERS!

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 12 October 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

mmm. Sayid.

Sorry? What? Carry on, talk amongst yourselves.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 12 October 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think Sun's "I can't" implies that she and Jae never had sex (despite lying in bed naked together)

no way, they were totally bonin'

she just had a change of heart / guilty conscience

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 12 October 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

dmr OTM. This might be a given but I don't like Sayid, I don't think.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 12 October 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

BLASPHEME

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

vvvvvSRSLY...TO REPEAT...FROM UPTHREADvvvv

ILL TAKE 2 HOSTAGE AND KILL THE REST!!!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

SAYID RULES, YR INSANE!

― BONERTIME! (ddb1), Friday, 13 October 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

"The other guy finished off Jae Lee when Jin wouldn't."

you don't think he might have killed himself.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 October 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

Oh it's definitely possible, maybe even likely. I think the only think I can say for just about certain is that Sun did not kill him haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

Hello people: "I know you Sun, I know you're not a killer." I think the Others would've known somehow if Sun had killed Jae Lee.

I think Sun's dad got the job finished off. Just by the way he said "I heard he jumped off a balcony. He must have felt a lot of shame" at the end. Although that could just as easily refer to him thinking that Jin had done it.

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 13 October 2006 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

Someone else did it and it will turn out to have been someone on the island.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 13 October 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

Hello people: "I know you Sun, I know you're not a killer." I think the Others would've known somehow if Sun had killed Jae Lee.

Hello person. This bit shows that the Others don't know fucking everything despite having files on people.

"You won't shoot, I know you."
Bang! You know shit Mrs Annoying Other and you just got a hole in your gut to prove it!

It's easy to make it look like you know someone inside out by feeding them a bit of information about themselves but the Others aren't the fucking All Seeing Eye. They'll know as much as a decent detective could work out, if even that.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 13 October 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

Also, has anyone mentioned that Jae Lee is a Korean comic book artist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jae_Lee

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 13 October 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

going back:

I kind of think we'll find out Ben's island ancestry goes back even further than DHARMA Hanso et al. Four-toed statue, people.

yeah, i mean - the dharma initiative materials all seem to indicate late 60s/early 70s? the actor who plays benry was born in 1955; he'd have to be a very old-looking mid-30s to be from the dharma folks.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

right just because the obvious needs to be stated from time to time, it is clearly implied that the impression is that Jae killed himself, and that we are meant to SUSPECT that daddy killed him off. however daddy or his goons wouldn't have known about the rejected pearl necklace (hur hur) that was in his hands when he jumped).

nice aim BTW - right on to the car.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 13 October 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

I agree that he topped himself, but I still think it's important to note that the know-all Others were wrong in their assessment of Sun's willingness to shoot and therefore not as clever as they're trying to make everyone think they are.

Sun's an interesting character. For most of the first series she was in her husband's shadow and even now still mostly plays the dutiful wife role. The Glass Ballerina is a good reminder that she's a spoilt little rich girl who lies and cheats and is prepared to sacrifice the little people to save herself.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 13 October 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yes he obviously killed himself...

So how long before Benjamin Linus Loves starts showing Jack videos of Kate and Sawyer canoodling...

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

"we are not your enemy but if you shoot me then that is what we will become"

quite chilled by that. presumably Sun's actions will now have direct repercussions...probably not on the captives as they're already fucking them up...so on who and how?

or maybe no-one gives a shit about the woman Sun shot as she was such an annoying bitch and it won't change anything.

we saw her kiss some guy goodbye so whoever he was i expect him to come into it more demanding the payback, even if Benry and the others don't want to alter their plan...causing internal fracas in the group that might allow Swayer and Kate to escape woo yeah

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

it wasn't the slave driver she kissed was it? or was that a different blonde?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

No it was slave driver "if you move then I shock you, if you lick your lips then I shock you, if you auto-fellate yourself then I shock you, etc" guy who Trixie kissed.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

also the guy who talks to juliet just before she throws swayer the water. kinda obvious he's smooth-talking her i guess but i've been playing that bit over and over to try and pick up what he said. sounds like:

"so beautiful...(as if talking about something else)
juliet, how can you do it?
how can you (be still attracted) to ben?"

brackets bit too unclear

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm getting a little sick of the helplessness-in-the-face-of-the-Others stuff. It's the problem with an open-ended series - they can't ever really shift the momentum without having an end in mind. But I don't really want the show to be a twisted, hopeless version of Gilligan's Island. The writers keep revealing stuff, but if the Losties never have a victory, never gain an upper hand, and just continuously get outsmarted by the Others, I think I'll eventually lose interest. I wish they'd just say they were going to do another season or two, and start changing the momentum.

― schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure Trixie doesn't feel too smart right now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

The whole losing the sailboat thing really pissed me off - I mean COME ON! They didn't see a huge group of people WALKING DOWN THE FRICKING DOCK!

Also, I agree - Sawyer should've just shot that woman, and kept on shooting. What do they have left to lose at this point - their awesome life of torture and forced labor? Their dignity's long-gone.

― schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think the show is closer to The Prisoner than it is to Gilligan's Island (despite the island.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

"The whole losing the sailboat thing really pissed me off - I mean COME ON! They didn't see a huge group of people WALKING DOWN THE FRICKING DOCK!"

I didn't see anything that indicated that they walked down the dock.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

(x-post - Yeah, and the Prisoner was equally frustrating)
Knowing the Others (and I'll probably eat my words next week), Trixie's just fine - the guns were replaced with stage props and she was wearing a squib - IT'S ALL PART OF THEIR PLAN!

― schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

Plus a little of the how-the-fuck-is-all-this-going-to-possibly-tie-togetherness of the X-Files.

― schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

A BRILLIANT theory on lostpedia suggests that Karl/Carl is actually the young boy from the tail and has had 'growth experiments' carried out on him.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

They didn't see a huge group of people WALKING DOWN THE FRICKING DOCK!

bit like when Ethan 'came from the water' to kill SteveohwaitimeanScott.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

and if Benry and co. didn't know about the boat does this mean they didn't know about Calvin or Desmond and that they were doing their thing in the hatch? If they did how would they suppose they got on the island? Desmond seemed to know of 'them' at least. And Tom seems to know about The Swan (and presumably the other hatches) so presumably they all do.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

oh dear. wikipedia hackage follows:

This article contains episode summaries for the third season of Lost.

Jack, Kate and Sawyer, the gay guy, open the season in captivity, as prisoners of "The Gays." Just who these "Gays" are and what they want are primary questions Season Three will not explore. Michael Emerson joins the cast as a regular in his ongoing role as "That Gay Guy". Sawyer continues acting gay. Sun and Jin will continue to celebrate their pregnancy - but is the child really not gay? Will the survivors heed That Fat Guy's warning or will they journey across the island in an attempt to free Jack, Kate and that gay Sawyer? Charlie will attempt to return into the good graces of Claire and her baby, That Stupid Little Thing, but can he be trusted to stay clean, sober, and gay? The fates of Mr. Clean, Desmond and Mr. Eko in the aftermath of the implosion of the hatch are answered. Will Penelope Widmore find the island and find Desmond, the gay guy with no life, and can the survivors find a way to interact with the outside world in a way that will not look gay? More questions will also be asked, and few to no answers will be given this season.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

"That Stupid Little Thing" haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

"we saw her kiss some guy goodbye"

that was her dad! she called him daddy anyway. the mean guy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

I thought she called him Danny.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

yeah his name is Danny Pickett. was originally seen taking a piss and then confronted by Michael taking a piss back during the last Michael flashback episode in s2.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

oops, i misheard that.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

ILL TAKE 2 HOSTAGE AND KILL THE REST!!!

SAYID RULES, YR INSANE!

It was a stupid convoluted plan that he couldn't and didn't pull off and that cost a lot. Wasn't it his idea for the bunch of them to go along with Michael too? I just kind of think he's a thug who thinks he's a master strategist.

And of course the most logical thing for Sawyer to have done would have been to shoot. The whole point was he wuvs Kate too much to be logical! She was what he had to lose.

― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 14 October 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

Am I the only one who totally expected Sayid's plan to work?

― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 14 October 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

when will season 3 be aired in the UK? sadly I cant use torrents or any peer 2 peer programs where I currently live :(

zlorgznorg, can't you just go to abc.go.com and watch the episode online? That's where I just watched it, cuz I had family and a friend over on Wed. who are not fans and who insisted on talking. Or maybe the website blocks UK IPs?

I think one of Sun's dad's guys finished off Jae.

Who were the other people on the chain gang? Other people from the plane, taken from the other side of the island?

I thought it was so weird for Sayid and Jin to leave her on the boat and to not notice them coming.

Are you guys calling him Swayer on purpose or does everybody make that typo?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 14 October 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

SWAYER FOR PRESIDETN!

― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 14 October 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

OTM X 1000

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 14 October 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

He took down that polar bear thing HARDCORE. DAMMMNNN.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 14 October 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

a sub-meme is born.

― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 14 October 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

ddb was right, btw.

― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 14 October 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

The website does indeed block all IPs outside the U.S. Schwantz is right. The helplessness thing is a bit annoying, and I'm tired of seeing the people who were so resourceful in the first series becoming nothing more than lab rats. I know you could argue that that's what they were all along, and it's only now becoming apparent to them, but it's still no fun to watch. Bring back golf and hunting boar.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 14 October 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

I love how Jack couldn't believe that the Red Sox won, but the whole Bush-winning-a-second-term thing was entirely believable. There must be a good outtake there somewhere.

― Huey in Melbourne (Huey in Melbourne), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Jack's reaction to the Red Sox thing was too predictable in both set-up and execution, and I'm English!

I liked the episode though. Dropping tantalisingly little of the real world onto the Lostworld (like Mama Cass and the home comforts of the hatch at the start of season 2, and the Portuguese Artic men at the end) is a fine eerie trick. It's just the inverse of dropping otherworldly things into our world and spooking us that way.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

I was just thinking 'fucks sake why does everything have to come down to baseball in US shows?' - then i lightened up and carried on enjoying it - it was funny to see Ben get animated about it.

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

i totally forgot about the podcasts this year.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

the video podcast is really awful

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Jack's reaction to the Red Sox thing was too predictable in both set-up and execution, and I'm English!

Yes the penny dropped in super slow motion alright. I think Ben making a joke about the unlikelihood of the Sox winning would have been funnier. Or even a Bush joke, could have been great. It was still sort of funny but flagrantly obvious yes and went on for far too long, he could have just said "well now I know you're lying" rather than done that extended wry smile/grimmace for 20 seconds.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

his reaction to it was exaggerated because of his own father's reference to the Red Sox never winning tho perhaps - gave it that surreal edge which made him lol

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think I missed his dad's reference, what was it?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

"that's why the Red Sox will never win the World Series" or something - can't remember the exact episode/scene tho

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't the key phrase that made Sawyer realise he met Jack's dad related to the red sox?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

having just listened to the podcast they point out that several references to the red sox/their winning the world series have been made over the life of the show. i never noticed them but i'm lacking the gland that causes interest in baseball.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

OMG I CAUGHT UP, BRING THE NEW EPISODES ON

― a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't the key phrase that made Sawyer realise he met Jack's dad related to the red sox?

Yeah, Jack said "That's why the Red Sox will never win the World Series" at one point, and Sawyer was like "Is your daddy a doctor?" because Christian had said the exact same thing at the bar in Australia.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

having a character called Christian Shepherd...it's only just really hit me. and yet to Jack the guy was more like Satan lols.

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

except when it was the other way around and jack was all "Y U FK MY WIFE DOOD"

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

HAVE HEART, ALL YE WHO ARE TIRED OF JACK/KATE (GOD ESPECIALLY JACK AND KATE) AND SAWYER BEING HOPELESS PRISONERS.

NEXT EPISODE IS LOCKE-CENTRIC.

oh snap.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

and it's called 'Further Instructions' :)

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

What promos have learnt me:

*something involving Eko, caves, and a fireball
*Locke has the most supple, wonderful manboobs
*either the smoke beast or one of the bears or something else that growls will make appearance

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

woo and indeed oot

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

was there a dharma film where marvin candle/whoever said something like "blah blah and await further instructions"?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah! was that for the people in The Pearl? after they had taken the Pala ferry to The Flame or whatever? hmmnm

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

The tape actual cuts out when "Mark Wickman" is telling us where the Pala Ferry takes you...CONVENIENTLY. I bet the boat they gave Michael/Walt was the ferry.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

maybe. but Benry and co. do have other boats (or at least one that they used to go get Desmond's boat) tho if that were it surely the sign would say PALA YACHT CLUB

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

haha at supple locke boobs
xpost

i keep picturing the Others situation as like thunderbirds meets swiss family robinson with the whole thing gone twilight zone. it is both creepy and hilarious.

what about the DISEASE/sickness rousseau was on about in seas 1? is there a 2nd set of Others? or are the Benry Others already diseased, put on the island b/c of that? has this already been talked about?

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure if I preferred it when we didn't know if Benry and co. had contact with the outside world. Now that we do it just demystifies things further, but I guess that has to happen sooner or later.

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think Ben et al aren't "infected", but ARE concerned about it, as they injected all that vaccine into Claire's baby in s2e15 (or maybe 16? can't remember).

I still think there are more Others. Remember those people Jin & Eko saw in the woods, with the teddy bear? Totally other Others.

x-post, actually I think it mystifies it MORE because, like Ben said, why DO they stay on the island?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

yeah! and they clearly want to protect their way of life - they don't want to integrate the airplane people into it. but why not?? mysteries.

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

so maybe the Other Others are also some kind of marooned people. or an experiment.

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

there's still the question of whether the disease is real or whether the vaccines are just an elaborate psych job to keep ppl in their hatchez

Kelvin didn't seem to think it was real .... when Des wasn't looking he would take off his protective suit. I guess the only person who claims to have actually seen people get sick is Rousseau?

could obv. be some sort of biowarfare experiment gone awry from a hatch we haven't seen yet

― dmr (Renard), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I still think there are more Others. Remember those people Jin & Eko saw in the woods, with the teddy bear? Totally other Others.

seems that no hint has been given by Benry on what happened to the people they abducted e.g. the two kids - so could actually be a rogue element.

new survivors this week too it would appear (as in they're introducing us to people who've been among the 48 all along but just unmentioned/in the background before)

― ;_; (blueski), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

after they had taken the Pala ferry to The Flame or whatever? hmmnm

What is the Flame? From the blast-door map I know it's the only undiscovered station, but was there an actual reference made to it?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

also, the hatch where Mrs. Klugh and Walt and all them were hiding, where they cleared out before Sayid got there -- was that one of the actual hatches on the map?

― dmr (Renard), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

i am shit at lost. only from reading this did i remember the 'red sox/world series' meme.

i now see that jack's reaction = otm rather than ridiculously overblown. i was all I thought Jack's reaction to the Red Sox thing was too predictable in both set-up and execution, and I'm English! initially.

― benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

ah, but my excuse for being semi-shit at lost is: the thing is that some people here have just watched all of lost on dvd and therefore it is fresher in their brains (and spreadsheets) whereas people who've been watching since day 1, which was a long time ago now, cannot remember so well all the things, esp the things on tv. i kinda wish i could though. tv-on-dvd is changing everything!!

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

I think that's probably OTM. I watched the first two seasons within the space of a month this summer.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

i agree with everyone who wishes sayid and jin had taken some goddamn names and kicked some frickin ass.

i saw it in uk realtime (aug 05-sep 06) so have less of an excuse for forgetting.

― benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

see, yeah, in a way i envy that dense time with Lost. but i can't rewatch it, i just can't. (time for tv is at all-time low, + will is not there, + realizing i'm hooked on too many shows already and torchwood starts this wkend too...)
xpost
yeah, no excuses there

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

my GF takes it to the extreme. she insists on watching it on TV in realtime only, and won't even re-watch episodes she missed.

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

I can't see/hear the phrase "to the extreme" anymore without hearing synth+talkbox, Devin the Dude, you have RUINED me.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

re: Other Others. Didn't one of the Others once refer to "hostiles"? Or was that Desmond?

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

he and inman.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

hoping Des will reveal more about what he knows of Benry and co. sooner rather than later. also that he triumphantly reclaims his boat when it's all over.

― ;_; (blueski), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Just re-watched the episode last night where Sayid met Kelvin/Inman (and Kate's dad!), fairly sure it's one of my favorites, if only for the Sayid-flips-and-beats-the-shit-out-of-Henjamin scene.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

hoping _______ will reveal more about what he knows of _________ and sooner rather than later.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

I still can't fathom that Benry didn't know about Desmond's boat. I forget -- where was it hidden?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

A lagoon somewhere. Or are those called inlets? Either way it was pretty much in plain sight.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

I just re-watched a few episodes last night. When they first capture Benry, Locke tosses him some Dostoyevsky and Benry goes "no Stephen King?"

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

I loved that! The punchline delivered like 8 episodes before the joke set-up, brilliant.

That whole "Henry Gale" plot arc is a whole lot more interesting now. During the lockdown, he seemed genuinely freaked out...is it possible he had no idea what was going on down there?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but I'm afraid that it could be due to the fact that the writers didn't know yet that he was going to end up as the leader of the Others. Apparently, he was only contracted for 3 episodes, but viewers liked the character so much that he was turned into a regular.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Kelvin/Inman

I'm a little slow here... is the guy in Iraq who could speak Arabic all along the same guy who was with Desmond in the Hatch?

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

YES.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

i find it hard to believe that the henjamin crew are what inman called 'hostiles'.

also when a prisoner he made references to the terrible HIM that ethan and tom mentioned when claire was captured.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

But Him was supposedly Benry's superior, right? And since we know Benry's in charge (at least of that faction), wasn't that a bit of subterfuge?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

...the fact that the writers didn't know yet that he was going to end up as the leader of the Others...

Yeah, add to that the part where he refers to the leader of the Others in 3rd person...Kayser Soze-ism or they couldn't afford Samuel L Jackson?

xpost

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

but then maybe there is still a HIM above henjamin, and linus too is just a pawn in a bigger game...

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

pawned

yeah I feel like there is still someone higher up at the Alvar Hanso unseen overlord level

probably someone not on the island

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

and/or someone with four toes

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

and/or someone with four toes

http://img.lenta.ru/news/2005/10/24/homer/picture.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

I still think there's a chance that "Him" is Locke's dad, and there's also a chance that he's the real Sawyer. Because I like my theories ridiculous.

xpost HAWR

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

the real sawyer and locke's dad are small-timers, really.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's more likely that, if anyone, it would be Sun's dad (did you guys notice that one time Jin visited him in his office and he had these big huge screens showing - that's right - A TROPICAL ISLAND?)

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

LINK TO GINORMOUS PIC OF MR PAIK'S OFFICE W/ SCREEN ALL BLOWED-UP FOR EASY LOOKYLOO

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

i hug you

yeah, the DADS THEORY!

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

he had five slightly different versions of pic of volcano? weird office.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

are we ready?

― ai lien (kold_krush), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

I am!

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

I have beer, I have popcorn, and I have just emptied my bladder. Bring it.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

well that was disappointing

― a.b. (alanbanana), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

I missed the first five minutes, came in after the first commercial. How did John lose his voice?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

He woke up (presumably after the hatch went boom) and just couldn't speak.

― daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think it would have been better if they had just killed those 3 off.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, Desmond seeing a few minutes into the future could be useful.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

WTF so many Charlie zingers.

Whose corpses were in bear village? And a tonka truck? Did that guy (the kid/cop) have a case against them and were they busted? LOCKE GREW W33D!?!?!? [good desert island skill set!] "Desmond is helping himself"!? Why have we never seen Hurley wearing that shirt? And the whole "NOT Hurley" in the vision + the knife in the canteen = Hurley is unharmable/off-limits? And SO many DRUGS in this episode, wow.

L O S T, W T F.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of hate how they threw "Niki" and "Paulo" in at the very end. How convenient...JACK'S NOT HERE, WHO WILL HELP FILL THE VOID, HO WBOUT VAGUELY EXOTIC CASTAWAYS WITH IMPROTAN SURVIVAL SKILLS OUT OF NOWHERES!?

Otherwise I kind of am in baby-making love with this episode.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Locke apologizes to Charlie though. And now I am REALLY looking forward to the Locke-the-Hunter/Sayid-the-Soldier/Eko-the-warlord/probably Charlie for some reason/(hopefully)Redshirts-Aplenty away team mission to rescue everybody (but Jack, who is totally going to leave the island) I swear that's what's gonna happen.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

OK, giving the best lines to someone other than Sawyer (Charlie, here) was a good change. Otherwise, this episode was a lot of dumb mysteries that are very unlikely to have satisfactory resolutions.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

is it just me, or does this season seem waaaaaaay tighter than last season. like they actually truly honestly know where they are going with this stuff. i have loved every episode so far. so much tension and drama. but i never feel like i am being sent on five zillion wild goose chases. everything actually feels like its happening for a reason.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

best of three

― ai lien (kold_krush), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

why didn't they just get rid of all the pot and tell that cop kid to leave? seemed a bit premature to hit the road like that.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

It was fucking moronic for Locke to do anything other than drop the kid off at the last town before going home and say, "Eureka's thataway."

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

well, it was also fucking moronic for the weed dudes to let him stick around for 6 weeks!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

Agreed.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

Did you guys reckognize daddy weedman? It was the guy that played Hank in Twin Peaks!

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

One of the most mysterious things about this episode for me was how Locke could have interpreted his sweat lodge hallucination (about the airport; didn't even feature Eko or bears) to mean that Eko was being mauled by a polar bear and that he needed to find him. I actually like it better this way than if the connection had been obvious though.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

he totally saw a bear though as he was leaving the sweat lodge. that thing scared me! except i thought it was a lion.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

next week's episode looked super-scary.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, right, I didn't figure that to be a bear at first either.

xpost Holy shit yes.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

do you think it means anything that in locke's fever-dream hurley worked for the airline and wasn't a passenger like everyone else? probably not. even ben working the security wand in locke's dream was creepy. he is just a creepy dude.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

i may mean something. hurley was taking someone's ticket order, and entering the numbers into the puter.

― this, however, is the crucial moment from the libertine's point of view (kenan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

i totally want a *you taste like fish biscuits* t-shirt:

http://www.cafepress.com/polarbearisland/1966142

(also on sale: geronimo jackson t-shirts)

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

uh... I'm not spending $30 on something that will look stupid even to the people that get it in two weeks.

― this, however, is the crucial moment from the libertine's point of view (kenan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:53 (nineteen years ago)

nickalicious has the right idea: it's a screen name. NOT a t-shirt.

― this, however, is the crucial moment from the libertine's point of view (kenan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:53 (nineteen years ago)

I read that they were going to introduce new characters from the background cast and I desperately wanted to chime in a few days ago with the prediction that it would be awkward and stupid when they did but I was afraid it'd be too spoilery. I really didn't like the way they put them in there!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 19 October 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

"they're like the einsteins of the bear community"

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 19 October 2006 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

It was the guy that played Hank in Twin Peaks!

Locke's peyote trip had a definite "Fire Walk With Me" vibe

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 19 October 2006 05:48 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I thought it was a firmly established rule that the plebes didn't get to talk. And now suddenly there are these suspiciously photogenic people demanding information from Locke, like he knows who the hell they are? Get back to milling around and constructing bamboo shelters!

― reddening (reddening), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:56 (nineteen years ago)

hope one of them is neil frogurt.

i'm late, but that was a pretty good episode. aside from locke's VISION QUEST ON A PLANEPORT, which seemed a bit too... something.

when i saw the fertilizer on the commune i immediately thought "OH SNAP THEY'RE TERRISTS!" followed about 30 seconds later by "GROW OP!"

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

BEST OF THREE!

― Bear. Is that you? (wolfwolfwolf), Thursday, 19 October 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

Also, way, way back xpost. I'm thinking that maybe if you can keep your whole village/commune/suburb/whatever under wraps for however many years from whoever knows how many have been on this island, that a sailboat in an inlet (presumably) across the (as shown in ep. 1 of this season) very large if not huge island could possibly go undetected. Not sure about the omnipresence of The Others yet, but I wouldn't put it past them to miss the boat before now.

― Bear. Is that you? (wolfwolfwolf), Thursday, 19 October 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Desmond skipping stones (Hurley looking on) at the end of this one. WTF?

― Bear. Is that you? (wolfwolfwolf), Thursday, 19 October 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

Something!

― Bear. Is that you? (wolfwolfwolf), Thursday, 19 October 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

he had already heard the speech, dude.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 19 October 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

he being desmond, that is. and hurley was WTFing.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 19 October 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

I guarantee you at least one of those two tactlessly introduced newbs are going to have some medical knowledge/skills, so, even in the absence of Jack, Island ER can go on.

Did anybody catch what the magnetic wand Ben was using on Jack said? I thought it interesting too that Jack was in the process of boarding, while Kate & Sawyer were further back in line...are they going to be tantalized by "home" as well?

OMG and the next-week-on-LOST, WTF, shouting-at-the-screen tearjerker on the way.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

it looks craaaaazy

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

hi everybody i was searching for "lost myspace password" and I got to this thread somehow. anyway about that "Desmond seeing a few minutes into the future", is it possible that it's not a prediction but a mistake he made: he leaked by "mistake" some info that a profiler told him about Locke? Apparently for a pro it's not that hard to predict Locke's actions.

― David Kennedy (funny ringtones), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Hahahaha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Did anybody else see Desmond or interact with him? Maybe he's a ghost only Hurley sees.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

oh shit

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

^^^^ ditto

hugo was throwing some weird "why hasn't locke noticed him yet?" looks, huh.

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Why weren't people more upset that the hatch blew up?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Locke did see him running around naked right after he woke up.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 October 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

hugo was throwing some weird "why hasn't locke noticed him yet?" looks, huh

See above. Those were weird "crazy naked man foretells Locke's speech" looks.

― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get calling it a "speech". He didn't say all that much.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

But it was rousing!

― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Little detail questions I can't seem to find answers to on internet:

1. what was the song Locke was listening to before he picked up Eddie?
2. what was written on Airport Ben's magneto-wand?
3. exact wording for Charlie's "zero tolerance policy...punching yrself in the face" zinger?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

4. Translation of what Sun & Jin were saying to each other in Airport Drug Trip?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite part of LOST is the whole "island as a character" aspect, so I was really happy to see that return in this episode. Locke might be my favorite chartacter (behind the island.)

Did anyone else think it was painfully obvious in the peyote-airport sequence why Boone was killed off halway through s01? He sucked. Did anyone watch the "making of" feature on the s01 DVD? The parts with him were roffleicious due to his "I'm so Hollywood" attitude.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Why weren't people more upset that the hatch blew up?

I noticed that! Everybody was really nonchalant about it, and nobody was stunned and amazed when Locke showed up on the beach after being gone for days... Just sort of smart-alecky.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

1. what was the song Locke was listening to before he picked up Eddie?

according to this it was the Whiteley Brothers "Feel Like Goin' Home"

He sucked

dude that played Eddie was pretty bad too

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Yeah his acting skills seem to have actually somehow degraded from "shit poor" to "roffle" between Boone's departure and this episode.

Oh I guess he was also awesomely bad in a scene or so from one of Shannon's flashbacks last year.

― cws (cws), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

well Locke found the hatch in the first place so maybe people thought he got what he deserved? kinda harsh.

Oh I guess he was also awesomely bad in a scene or so from one of Shannon's flashbacks last year.

haha yeah. but I think that was semi-on-purpose in a Ryan Phillipe "Cruel Intentions" spoiled rich fop kinda way.

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

err I guess that's what you meant by "awesomely"

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Also, if anyone cares, the building they use to shoot the airport scenes (all three seasons so far) is the same large, long building seen across the canal/river when the doctor tells Sun the truth in last weeks episode. Its the Hawaii Convention Center.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoyed that but it felt way too brief. And did we really learn anything knew about Locke? I need a smokemonster fix badder than Charlie ever needed the scag.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

Having not seen the 'next week on Lost' bit yet as per usual I'm excited by the talk of it here.

Lostpedia puzzles again as their synopsis for 'Further Instructions' included the remark 'Claire is shocked to find Nikki and Paolo in Jack's tent'. But we didn't see this at all, they were just chucked in with no introduction.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie's remark: "I've heard trees are great conversationalists"

ENTertaining.

― ;_; (blueski), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

It was the guy that played Hank in Twin Peaks!

Locke's peyote trip had a definite "Fire Walk With Me" vibe

i know! replace rainy pacific nw town, creepy quiet forest and red curtains with sunny beach, green buzzy-with-life forest, sweatlodge and creepy The-Descent cave. okay, it's not all there, but for a few minutes i felt it - especially with the renewed attn to humour, actually, b/c twin peaks always had humour in it somehow - lost does too but not all the time and not always of the same tone. this was a good episode for all of that, for that balance.

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

okay, and all the drugs, yeah, weird! what did locke take?

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

and also, TIME:

- that desmond could be a ghost = freaky but seems right. i mean: naked! wearing a shirt we've never seen on hurley before! no one else has said anything about him! he talks about the future!

- so remember in the first ep of this season when the Others are in their village and they hear a giant boom and then see the plane crashing, i think there was shaking and another sound before the plane crash. and there's still the question of what made the plane crash in the first place - a magnetic pull, right? so i was thinking about how time works on the island and maybe it doesn't work linearly and that the hatch blowing up is the thing that caused the plane to crash.

has this been talked about? possibly mentalist theory designed to do own head in, really.

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

xp: i liked charlie's line about asking Locke if he was going to start punching himself in the face.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

I always kind of figured not everyone knew about the hatch, since there'd be a fucking line out the jungle for the shower, kitchen, whatnot.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

I think we're supposed to believe that that Desmond letting it run down and hit the hyrogliphics the first time made the plane crash. The line in last season's finale where he looks at the log sheet from the pearl and goes "I think I crashed your plane." to Locke.

Interesting theory though.

xp: this has been bugging the shit out of me too. willing suspension of disbelief I guess: "oh there's a sprawling, climate controlled apartment on this rock with a kitchen and running water? nah, that's cool, i'll just kick it on the beach under this cool tarp... thanks though! Good thing there were adequate tarps on our flight!"

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, that line! i still think time on the island is effed though, somehow. esp with all these, y'know, flashbacks. i mean, live in the now, people.

re: hatch and etc knowledge: the plebs only need to know what the plebs only need to know. i bet some of them knew more though. we will find out. maybe.

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

I like that this show is set in 2004.

OR IS IT ETC ITS ALL ONE FLASHBACK!!1112

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

I need a smokemonster fix

great screen name

Locke's weedfarm can hook u up

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 20 October 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

Godammit why couldn't Charlie get fatally mauled by the polar bear? It's bad enough that Boone showed up.

I don't get why everyone is so underwhelmed about Locke and Eko returning from their exploding hatch ordeal either. (Though some of the beach randoms definitely don't know about the hatch's existence.) And why is Charlie such a sarcastic little prick to Locke and yet still inexplicably does everything he tells him? And why when Locke and Charlie come back carrying a bleeding, unconscious Eko, does Claire yell 'Charlie! John!' but doesn't even mention Eko? Oh right, she's a moron.

It wasn't really clear to me whether Des had simply already heard Locke's speech (ie. island time is fucked at least for him) or was actually predicting the future. Except that when everyone else got to hear the speech, he was noodling about by the sea probably too far away to hear. So even if he'd somehow already lived that scene, he wouldn't have been able to relay to Hurley (or was it Charlie, I forget) what Locke said/was going to say.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 October 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

Bad news for UK terrestrial viewers.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 20 October 2006 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

but could Desmond even have heard Jon's 'speech' anyway? The sea sounds would've drowned it out perhaps. I just hope someone gets him some pants. Maybe the worried look on his face means he has foreseen that no-one will donate him a new pair.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's a shame Desmond didn't get to stay naked. He can't possibly have any inhibitions left after all he's been through.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 October 2006 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

don't they have mosquitos in that part of the world? this show needs more bugs.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

And why is Charlie such a sarcastic little prick to Locke and yet still inexplicably does everything he tells him?

I was thinking about this myself - like he said, he "detest"s John, BUT John is going to save Eko, who is Charlie's buddy-boy.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

where is Vincent, btw?

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

Did Vincent go with Walt and Michael?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

"or was actually predicting the future."

i think the magnetic hatch action made him psychic. he was UNDER the hatch when it imploded! wasn't he? he is immortal.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

no cos he didn't go with Michael, Jack and co. I don't know who was supposed to be looking after him after Shannon's death. Maybe he has been eaten by Rousseau. (xpost)

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

And why did Boone say "they have him" instead of "he has him" (or maybe she if the bear is a lady-bear)?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe there's still more than one bear?

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

they = the bear and it's fleas

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

looks like Sky will be showing Lost season 3 as early as next month. not that this matters to UK torrenters much if at all.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

and re little Vince: According to the Season 2 DVD extras, Vincent was on the boat with them, but this may have been cut for continuity reasons.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

they = the Others, who have thrown him to the polar bear (him and all those other corpses in the bear's cave??)

I'd forgotten all about Vincent :(

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

the others ARE bears, in people suits

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

My sister's wild theory for this week is that Hurley is a werebear HOOOOOOO(WWWWWWWWLLLLLLL.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to see lightened screenshots of the cave walls. Can someone take care of that for me?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Werebear totally makes sense!

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to see lightened screenshots of the cave walls. Can someone take care of that for me?

There's nothing on the cave walls. Cave floor just littered with bones covered in clothes with Dharma logo on it.

So, apparently farmer/hunter /= good/bad?

Ed: "You're a good man, John. You're a farmer."

Eko: "You can still save them. After all, you are a hunter".

Which is which? Does it matter?

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

Locke can hunt and kill animals but not people. Whew.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

But Sun was actually farming on the island and she did manage to shoot a person.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Last season I was trying to catalogue the people who have killed others (directly or indirectly) and those who haven't. John hasn't, I guees. Has Charlie or Claire offed anyone? I think just about everyone else has blood on their hands somehow.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

the others ARE bears, in people suits + werebear theories
= good morning roffleshine

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Charlie killed Ethan. Jack and Michael are the only survivors to have killed other survivors (Jack putting Ed the marshall and Boone out of their misery).

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

given that Ana-Lucia (having killed Shannon) is no longer a survivor!

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

So who hasn't killed anyone (including in the past)? Claire? John? Walt? Who else?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley's never "killed" anyone exactly, but he kind of does have a bloody past (the collapsed deck, his grandpa's death when he played the numbers in the lottery, etc).

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

He believes he's a jinx and Locke seems to think he is also a jinx in some way.

I expect Benry has never actually killed anybody himself.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Locke behaves oddly with Hurley, sometimes it seems like he's looking out for him (s1 finale, everybody runs from smokebeast, he holds onto Hurley all like "wait"), and other times it seems like he resents him or something.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

He resents him for being a WEREBEAR and eating all the warthogs.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley is a care bear

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

^^^ for real

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Last season I was trying to catalogue the people who have killed others (directly or indirectly) and those who haven't. John hasn't, I guees.

But Lock scarified Bone to the Island! Argot, he has blood on his hunterly hands.

If Naked!Dexter were a ghost, that would sucks because we've already had Harley, Jock, Tom Sawyer et al hallucinating people onto the island. I prefer Dexter as the liminal, out-of-time (DOUBLE ENTERDE!!) semi-outsider.

where is Vincent, btw

Getting off on Project Runway, duh!

― c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 20 October 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

But so how great would it be if Desmond wears just that tie-dyed shirt and nothing else for the rest of the season.

― cws (cws), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

It'd be embarrassing if he got a woody, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

he'd be able to look into the future and see that woody though. he'd make sure he wasn't around anyone when it popped up.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

He's already semi-crazy right? May as well have appropriate attire.

― daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Hurley's deja vu was really because Desmond was in the mental institution with him.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 20 October 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think Hurley's a good guy most of the time but I thought it was a little odd that when he saw Desmond naked, bloodstained, and distressed, his first thought was "Ugh, put on some clothes, guy."

― Sundar (sundar), Friday, 20 October 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

what a weird episode.

it was awful how they introduced the characters, like "shut up these have always been there...see the main characters even know their names!"

things I don't get. boone said "they have him", not "it has him" or something. is it a cave full of bears?

I think people are reading too much into boone's mini descriptions, in that fucking awful dream sequence...I thought the Simpsons had parodied the "save him......save him......save him" echoing thoughts thing to a point where nobody could use it seriously again.

the boone one actually reminded me of lisa's "loooook....this suit burns better"

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 20 October 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

I liked all the almost sneaky audio in that scene, the hatch bloop coming from the magneto-wand, the hatch clock rollover as Hurley punches tickets etc.

Also, the very opening scene, they used the exact same sound from the first moment of ep1, only this time it was Locke's opening eye that it accompanied rather than Jack's.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Friday, 20 October 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

killer episode, the only real mistake i found is that humboldt county police would NEVER be sending an officer undercover to bust a pot farm. that shit is too integral to the area's economy and the local cops turn a blind eye/are deeply involved. it should have been DEA, that's way more real-world believable.

― something less threatening (heywood), Sunday, 22 October 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

The pot farm was like a mini Island. "What she really wants is a daddy, like everyone else here".

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 22 October 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

OTM.

apart from the clunktastic introduction for the hot n00bs, the best ep this series -- awesome, in fact.

surely fairly important question: what the fuck @ the hatch, etc? what happens to all that electro-magnetic blah-de-blah?

re. jack leaving: he can team up with penny! that would be a great sideswerve.

― benrique (Enrique), Sunday, 22 October 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

i hope we get flashbacks to events in the first two series where we see nikki and paulo in action. (oh THEY dug the grave for the guy who drowned, and discovered the suitcase full of tarpaulins!)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 22 October 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the cops actually thought they were working on blowing something up?

it was awful how they introduced the characters, like "shut up these have always been there...see the main characters even know their names!"

there's been a little of this before, hasn't there? like when Bernard tries to get everyone to build the huge SOS and he's barking orders at all these people we don't know about?

― researching ur life (grady), Sunday, 22 October 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of hated that Arzt blew up because his intro was the most ridiculous AND believable, and I liked him in a HOORAY annoying friend kind of way. But this...

flashbacks to events in the first two series where we see nikki and paulo in action

...I never even thought of! Great idea, might be a good way to ease them into the story - although that doesn't seem to be their intention. Still, they (Lindelof y Cuse) did say something in one of their podcasts (um, or something) about the flashbacks not exactly following the same format/style.

Now, re: potfarmin!, it does almost seem more plausible that they thought they were up to something...did anyone catch a year on this ep? Could it have been directly after (never forget) 9/11 when America was on the hunt for terror peoplez!?! It's all in that line where kid asks to get in there...I wish they had gotten a better actor w/ better delivery o' lines, wtf.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe right after Ok City bombing, and they were on teh prowl for domestic crazies? I don't know, the more I think about the notion of an undercover cop spending six weeks setting up a pot farm in fucking HUMBOLT CO, the more, I don't know, Otherwise it seems.

I mean, most pot farm raids here it's like, choppers first evidence later (but burned immediately).

Whatever, the main thing I felt with the flashback was that it wasn't totally...complete. Like, I bet this is the set-up for his next flashback tale (just like the s2 Locke f-backs).

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Sunday, 22 October 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

i still don't get why the alleged scene of Nikki and Paolo being in Jack's tent was cut. maybe this was the 'sex' that the show creators referred to as being ramped up for this season but then had to be cut out for some mysterious reason.

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 23 October 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

jesus, channel 4 really dropped the ball with this.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 23 October 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Desmond is dead and Tie-Dye-Desmond is Hurley's new imaginary friend.

"No, he killed _a_ polar bear."

Awesome. I fucking love this show.

― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

there is quite a big mystery around the 24 hours following the 'implosion'.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

i still don't get why the alleged scene of Nikki and Paolo being in Jack's tent was cut.

for time, maybe?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

2. what was written on Airport Ben's magneto-wand?

ARRETT

― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

terra [land] backward?

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

retart!

― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

one of the companies that makes those wands is called "garrett." they probably blacked out the G. nothing to get too excited about, i think.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Aye, looks like one of thse with a G missing

http://www.fdp-spywatch.com/images/GS-SS1.JPG

― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Benry is still Henry in Locke's trip.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/userpics/10095/107430_0135_ful_copy.jpg

― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

locke knows him as henry.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

HI DERE. i am back, and once again up to date with all things LOST. i have been on holiday, like.
this episode was good, but not as good as the first two. some things seemed a little... forced.

Locke being a weed grower seems very wrong, on so many levels.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't that a US flag on Benry's sleeve? At Sydney Airport?

kit ur wrong this was the most Lost Lost ep so far in S3.

― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

otm. the first two weren't weird enough.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

but nothing has been as beautifully surreal as the opening sequence of the episode 3:1 so far.

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

true, it was a stormer.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

i said it was good.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah you got that part right

― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

and i never said it wasn't LOST. i meant that it just seemed a bit *too* LOST. which certainly can't be a bad thing, but like i said, it just seemed a little forced in some places. don't get me wrong, it was like 80% great. it wasn't Dave or anything.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 23 October 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

has anyone watched the LOST Music Video on abc.com? roffleiscious.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I loved Dave! I mean, it's not one of those OMG rousingest-tv-ever! episodes, but, if they end up having to draw the series out longer than they intend because ABC doesn't want to cancel one of it's biggest ratings winners, it's going to need some of those sort've stand-alone eps to fill it out, otherwise it will go X-Files season 9, which is something no one wants. (whereas Dave was more like one of the earlier, pays-off-it's-own-question immediately type things, like the Scully/Mulder-breath-spores-and-get-eaten-by-the-ground ep of X-Files).

― Black lets you know that it's a far too late to be put in your vagina. (nickalic, Monday, 23 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

"Dave" sucked, dude.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

obv, all episodes of LOST are great, but Dave is one of the weakest in S2 imo.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

I thought "Dave" was just fine. It served to expose a lot of Hurley's personality and develop his character.

― daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Dave > SOS, at the very least

Also, this brings to mind one thing s3 seems to be delivering on - the flashbacks so far have all been pretty riveting. S2 had a whole lot of really unnecessary feeling flashbacks - Rose/Bernard's and Michael's (OMG he wants his son back, no wayz!) in particular.

― Black lets you know that it's a far too late to be put in your vagina. (nickalic, Monday, 23 October 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe right after Ok City bombing, and they were on teh prowl for domestic crazies?

that's kind of how I looked at it. cop really did think they were going to blow something up or stockpile weapons a la Waco and he was trying to infiltrate (he group was kind of cultlike you have to admit)

and I agree that his flashback felt like "part one" of something ... we still have never seen how he got put in the wheelchair, for starters ...

― dmr (Renard), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

And the kidcop just walked away - no resolution!

BTW if any of you people are having trouble finding "next week on LOST" trailers, go to http://www.lostlinks.net, they have American AND Canadian trailers! Also a good comp of vid links from LOST Exp, DHARMA vids, spoofs, etc.

― Black lets you know that it's a far too late to be put in your vagina. (nickalic, Monday, 23 October 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Why did they show us Libby in the Psych Ward at the end of Dave only one or two episodes before she got killed off?

Was it just to connect a few more dots in the OMG THEY ALL HAD CONNECTIONS WITH EACHOTHER BEFORE OCEANIC 815 BUT DONT KNOW IT plot? Did it explain why she was so understanding of Hurley's eating disorder or whatever?

It just seems odd that they revealed an unstable trait to an otherwise together character, but then she died before we could see those traits affect things on the island.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

only one or two episodes before she got killed off

Or to put it another way, just before she was written out of the show along with Anna Lucia after this.

― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

Mug shot

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/112315.jpg

― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still not convinced that's what happened.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think is is super-spoily but:

SPOILER ALERT W/ CONTENT OF INTEREST TO FIREFLY FANS:

press release, um, released today for ep6 has NATHAN FILLION aka MAL of FIREFLY listed in guest cast, wtf

SPOILER END HERE

― Black lets you know that it's a far too late to be put in your vagina. (nickalic, Monday, 23 October 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Might as well toss my theory on here as well. Couldn't Locke and his communion-buddies be growing weed because they need it as some form of medication? That the people there all suffer from the same disease, or at least something which reliefs the pain (Locke and his legs) they could be having?

Looking at Locke's fright-night steamdream though, he may have smoked too much of it, back in the days.

― Gerard (Gerard), Monday, 23 October 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

pretty good site for screenshots of bear cave, Eko's Jesus stick, "Carrie" book cover, etc

they were MIA for the start of the season but now seems to be up and running again

― dmr (Renard), Monday, 23 October 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

when my sis and i first saw the communion-buddies, we thought "hey, is that beardo?"

― ai lien (kold_krush), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

re: spoiler

UH SQUEEEEEEE. I LOVE HOT GUY ISLAND.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

Libby is gonna crop up in a bunch of S3 flashbacks, i hear. so she wasn't entirely written out. i'm not totally convinced by the glugglugvroomvroom reasons for killing off Ana and Libby - after all, Libby's still gonna be in the show.
Locke's backstory will return to weedfarm & kidcop. There's no way they'll leave it hanging like that.

my theory on Locke: in a flashback he smokes a huge blunt, packed with weed that's SO CHRONIC that it breaks his spine in 3 places.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

and yeah, thinking about it, Dave > S.O.S
i liked Rose & Bernard's flashback story in S.O.S, but the Island stuff was pretty rub. except Henry, obv.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 07:33 (nineteen years ago)

that's kind of how I looked at it. cop really did think they were going to blow something up or stockpile weapons a la Waco and he was trying to infiltrate (he group was kind of cultlike you have to admit)

otm. plus locke being involved in this kind of project makes alot of sense to me, not a violent man but someone who would believe in the right to own a gun, to defend oneself etc.

plus the way the law forced themselves into the group undercover etc, all kinda realistic IMO and felt very like something Lost would deal with...

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

SPOILER!!!

JOHN LOCKE AND I HAVE THE SAME BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!

― BONERTIME! (ddb1), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

great, you just ruined me watching the rest of your life. jackass.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKVhuH0zUiE

― ONIMO has fallen into changing screen name HELL (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

i don't understand. but i did want to shout "THAT'S NUMBERWANG."

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot to post here that I discovered recently that the combination lock at work broke 6 months ago, and I'd been typing in the code every day for months without it being necessary...when someone told me this and I said "no, I won't stop putting in THE NUMBERS!!" they just looked at me like I was a freak...but it was funny damn it!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

SimonHodgkiss (1 day ago)
what season and what episode is this from ?

roffle.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

The best thing about the latest episode is that i can tell the truth to my non-torrenting friend, and she still thinks they are the ridiculous false spoilers i usually feed her

"Mr. Eko is kidnapped by a polar bear!"
"John Locke is a weed baron!"
"Desmond is from the future!"

If Sawyer *actually* turns out to be a robot, she'll be fairly sore at me...

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

where the f is the f'in podcast?! this is messing up my lack of a life's routine!

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

i watched the "next week on LOST" for tonight's episode yesterday, and OMFG, i can't wait.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

If you were from the future, you could have watched "next week on LOST" for next week's episode a week from tomorrow and it would be yesterday already.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

or something, and you still OMFG couldn't wait, although being from the future, maybe you wouldn't have to wait?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

YOU'RE BRAKING MY BRANE

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

If you were from the future, you could have watched "next week on LOST" for next week's episode a week from tomorrow and it would be yesterday already.

This is what Desmond did.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

someone please explain desmond's actions tonight to me, please. thank you.

(maria's post works well with the movie ad during lost of denzel's deja vu thing, and then the new abc show that looks like the same damn thing. deja vu deja vu advertisements!)

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

oh and it works well with deja friggin vu island(s)!!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

scott i'm not sure exactly what you want explained but what had happened was he knew/saw/felt a tremor in the force that lightning was gonna strike the boy-bee's hut, then when claire and the biggest asshole in the shire said 'nah, we cool here', he got a golf club (lettting the producer's vaguely maybe introduce another castaway - 'here's a new asshole')(my hunch is these folx are cannon fodder?) and made an ad-hoc lightning rod.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sorta almost looking forward to that 24/groundhog day/run lola run daybreak show though i really really wonder how the hell something like that could possibly work for more than one, two seasons tops (i wondered the same about 24 though), if it's on after lost i'll give it a shot at least. cannot say the same for the nine.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Sawyer gets a bath soon.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

okay, i got it, blount. i don't know why i was so confused. at first i thought he MADE it rain or something. but it was just his premonition thing. i mean, i got when he wanted to make a new roof that he thought something was gonna happen to the roof. i'm just slow.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 October 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

all those punches to the face just make sawyer prettier. what a weird episode. lost is weird. next week looks even weirder. they are seriously hooking me and reeling me in. not that they weren't before, but still...

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 October 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

haha at first i thought he was doing some magnetic pole interference signal to his old lady or something and then i thought OMG HE MADE IT RAIN and then i realized o, he just made a lightning rod cuz maybe he can see in the future a little bit like last week. how many more deadwood cast members gonna pop up in this thing?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

you sound a little stuffy, chinatown

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

poor trixie.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 26 October 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

The Others are such self-righteous shits! I really wish the show would explain where their supposed absolute moral superiority comes from.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 26 October 2006 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

i hope there's a desmond episode with flashforwards instead of flashbacks

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 26 October 2006 06:18 (nineteen years ago)

OTM!

so... Benry has a tumor on his spine... and he's afraid of needles!

wasn't the "thing in heart that explodes if your pulse goes up" a little too similar to the "thing in your brain that explodes if you leave this area" from MI3?

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:10 (nineteen years ago)

INFERENTIAL SPOILERATOR:

so, uh, how many islands are there? i got confused.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

two!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 October 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

but how did sun and sayid and jin not know that they sailed to another island? oh, wait, they didn't! or did they? wait, where are they? ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 October 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

they didn't, they set up camp on the far side of their own island and the Others came to them

my wife's theory? which I think is kinda genius? island #2 is a BOAT that MOVES. (see, Jack is down in, like, the cargo hold, below sea level ... )

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

it is kinda confusing though. Other Suburbia seemed to clearly be on the same island as the plane survivors' beach camp. maybe island #2 is a prison camp separate from their homes? (hence the Alcatraz comment.) but also like didn't Locke's map show the Hydra hatch as being on the island? maybe Ben is just fucking with Sawyer? it's getting slightly frustrating that every plot turn could be an elaborate bluff.

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

didn't sawyer, kate, & jack walk to the other's camp? why must my memory be so horrible!! damn you, alcohol!! michael led them there, right? jeez, it feels like years ago. ah, but they just put bags on their heads and boated them over to the other island. wait, when sayid and jin and sun dropped anchor we saw the little spot where ben had breakfast with kate in the morning, right? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

The Others have a SUBMARINE btw, wtf.

Island ER scene was kind of amazing, and Tom getting all weepy was way more moving than I would've expected. And their crash cart was broken! And then they cuffed him to her corpse WTF.

I kind of liked the assholey thing Brazilian guy said to Desmond about not having to go after the 5 iron when he loses it out there in the jungle doing whatever it is you guys do, sort of a redshirt lament v2.0 (the first redshirt lament was Arzt's pre-getting-blown-up speech to Hurley about cliques or whatev).

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

ah, but they just put bags on their heads and boated them over to the other island.

yes

wait, when sayid and jin and sun dropped anchor we saw the little spot where ben had breakfast with kate in the morning, right?

I don't think so but I could be wrong

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

The Others have a SUBMARINE btw, wtf.

yeah I guess that answers how they got to the boat dock without being seen

and yeah now I remember, that boat dock where Sun and Jin and Sayid landed is where Kate Jack and Sawyer got the bags on their heads, not where Kate and Benry had breakfast

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

so who will Sawyer have to betray to get out of jail this time now that Ben is the big bad warden and Sawyer is the weaselly informant

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, that was all kinds of awesome!

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

I completely forgot, but I really loved the Jack/Juliet scene when she comes and uncuffs him from blondie's corpse.

I kind of wish, instead of trying to add these new beach people survivors, that they had just made Pickett/Tom/etc full-on flashback having cast members. I mean, we have to kind of assume any backstory on them will all be tied together, but they're at least way more interesting than pretty new beachlings.

Also, great line "you play golf?"..."I'm Scottish, cheers.".

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Do you guys think Jack heard Sawyer/Kate yelling? He kind of turned his head right before they took him inside Island ER.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who knows that pacemakers are NOT put in with a gigantor needle through the sternum, and that once you have one you can FEEL IT under the skin of your chest. Duh, Sawyer!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

"Is it...art?"

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

I think they just wanted to stick a reference to The Rock in there! What with their island being about twice the size of Alcatraz.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Or how about the Pulp Fiction reference prior to "putting the pacemaker in".

― daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right! I guess that's a more likely giant needle movie.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

More evidence that they're up-to-date with modern life (the Pulp Fiction ref).

Does anyone know why they would've painted an 8 on that bunny?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, besides that being one of TEH NUMBARZ?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

I had no fucking idea what was gonna happen to that bunny. That part with Ben shaking the cage was kinda freaky. Ditto the klaxon horns while they moved Hooded Jack ... reminded me of Silent Hill ....

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

What did non-Beardy say before Sawyer woke up? "Two days since the sky turned purple, our [coms?] are all down and I can't get them back up, and Colleen's been shot"

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

others technology not so sophisticated as once thought w/ "put this in yr mouth for pain" and broken heart attack pad thingies. oh, and b&w television screens.

― ai lien (kold_krush), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I think he said "comms", which is weird because didn't one of their people just radio something in two episodes ago? What if Desmond's failsafing has severed their ties to the outside world or something?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

I also thought he said "comms" and something not very intelligible about how "we're flying blind"

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Does this episode make Sawyer the only Lostie with a child off of the island? (If you consider Michael and Walt as being off together).

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still not entirely certain he really has a daughter, but if so, then yes.

Who else might even POSSIBLY have an off-island child? Eko? Locke? Back in season 1, right before Boone died, I had this AWESOME theory that Boone was actually Locke's illegitate child. That one really panned out.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still not entirely certain he really has a daughter, but if so, then yes.

good point. I guess that the part of the plot w/ the long lost daughter wasn't to get us to go "OMG! SWAYER HAZZA BOY-BEE!" but more "OMG! THERE'S A HEART OF GOLD BENEATH THAT GRUFF EXTERIOR! WE HAD A HUNCH BEFORE, BUT ITS REALLY REALLY TURE!"

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

*true, even.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder how many times Sawyer has been punched/pistol whipped/ otherwise beaten or injured by violence in the show so far. Many times more than anyone else I think.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

and scott's right. he gets sexier every time.

does anyone else think he bears a striking resemblance to K-Fed in the hair-pulled-back prision scenes?

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://uk.geocities.com/kittenkatz87/David-Beckham.jpg

more like beckham amirite

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

in case anyone missed it cause he kinda mumbled - ben (to juliet when he barges in on her and jack talking abt how he's not the leader): the sub is back, we have a situation.

this season is so saw

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

if they do have a sub, it may explain why the OTHERS got on the boat sun was on, undetected by sayid & jin. or were they too preoccupied by jungle watching?

― ai lien (kold_krush), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

do keep up!

The Others have a SUBMARINE btw, wtf.

yeah I guess that answers how they got to the boat dock without being seen

; )

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

I reckon Sawyer's been conned out of his commission. Remember the governor didn't like him but knew he was working a con - he'll have used Sawyer's ex (who learned the sacred art of ripping people off from Sawyer himself) and a picture of a fake daughter to screw him out of the money.

― ONIMO has fallen into changing screen name HELL (GerryNemo), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Top episode btw - but I still get annoyed with little things - like Sawyer not saying to Benry "Ok, we can't escape, so why keep us in a cage? What do you intend to do with us? Where is this all leading? ONIMO WANTS ANSWERS!"

Oh, and Jack didn't try the old heart thumping for very long did he? He battered the shit out of the Hobbit's chest for about a week before he brought him back.

― ONIMO has fallen into changing screen name HELL (GerryNemo), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

TWO ISLANDS OMFG! SUBMARINES!

― ONIMO has fallen into changing screen name HELL (GerryNemo), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

no one ever asks questions - which is exactly what we should all be doing - cause they're never gonna tell us enough to be able to figure anything out. just sit back and watch the revealing flashbacks. i kinda hate this show.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

"Oh, and Jack didn't try the old heart thumping for very long did he? He battered the shit out of the Hobbit's chest for about a week before he brought him back."

Ol' Hobbit wasn't bleeding to death though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

I wish one of Jack/Swayer/Kate would just say "you know what would REALLY convince us that you are the good guys? STOP FUCKING WITH US! Enough with the first-year college psyche experiments run amok!"

― schwantz (schwantz), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

You guys are nuts.

The unanswered questions are the only thing that makes the show engaging. If Juliet sat Jack down at this point in the season and gave him the whole history of the Others, the Dharma Initiative, the Smokemonster, the Polar Bears, etc. it wouldn't be worth watching any more.

PATIENCE.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 26 October 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

sawyer was injected with something though, something that is going to make him grow a third nipple. all that the others want to do is to give the losties these injections that make them grow third nipples. i know.

― dream torture (blood bitch), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

Jack was asking questions, he asked Juliet if he should talk to Benry. Juliet said, "you can ask him all you want, but you won't get any answers." or words to that effect.
fucking excellent episode. so we know why they wanted Jack - but wtf do they want with Kate & Sawyer? do they need mad conning skillz for some reason?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 27 October 2006 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think they need strapping young things like Kate and Sawyer for some sort of breeding program (is the clue in the rabbit???) Why don't any of the Others have visible children? And Juliet is a fertility doctor...

Arrgh, I do wish they would trickle in just one or two answers per episode, instead of always piling on more questions.

I can't believe there's another island and it's not visible from any point on the original island that the Losties have been to. New theory: giant MIRROR in the ocean.

Have the writers made some kind of bet about how many ways they can fuck up Sawyer? There is literally no let-up for the poor guy.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 27 October 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, but that means that when he gets to kick ass, he's REALLY gonna kick ass.

"you and me ain't done, Zeke" : Sawyer will surely get to fuck beardy up, sooner or later. and i can't see Pickett getting off lightly.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 27 October 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

Was quite disappointed in this episode, didn't feel like enough new was learned. Benry was right, they really don't ask the right questions. Nice how Jack was trying to stir up some conflict between Juliet and Benry in the same way Benry did with Locke and Jack before.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 27 October 2006 08:59 (nineteen years ago)

I think Sawyer is named after this guy:
James Ford: 'Satan's Ferryman' and 'Outlaw of Cave-in-Rock'
By JON MUSGRAVE
Southern Illinois History Page
If counterfeiters, river pirates and serial killers hadn't been enough for the region of Cave-in-Rock at the turn of the 19th Century, residents didn't have to wait long for another group to move in and take over the lucrative activities of their predecessors.
The Sturdivants replaced Duff in the counterfeiting business, and a man of wealth and prestige took up the reins of leadership dropped by Mason at his assassination. Although earlier historians have hedged their comments about James Ford, the overwhelming amount of evidence, seems to indicate he led the life of a Mafia don, or an even better description would be the Sheriff of Nottingham, except no Robin Hood ever arose to challenge him.
Following the decline of the pirates, another group of outlaws preyed upon travelers in the general vicinity of the Cave-in-Rock. Known as the Ford's Ferry gang, they took up where the pirates had left. Ford led this group, although from well behind the scenes. For the most part of his life, he acted to be inside the law, when in fact, he actively pursued life outside of it. For the first third of the 1800s, he served as a civic leader in both southeastern Illinois and western Kentucky. At one point he operated a tavern in Illinois, another time one of the saltworks near the Great Salt Springs or the Lower Lick as it would have been known in his time. He also served as a justice of the peace, sheriff and judge across the river. A ferry operator, he built and maintained long stretches of road on either side of his ferry just upstream from Cave-in-Rock. Even today, stretches of it can still be traveled in both states following county road signs that designate it "Ford's Ferry Road."
Earlier this century, Outlaws of Cave-in-Rock writer Otto Rothert became the first to seriously study the life of James Ford. His description of Ford is an apt one as he describes the situation in western Kentucky in the time Ford lived high on his plantation opposite McFarland's Tavern (Elizabethtown, Ill.) near Tolu, Kentucky:
"Outlaws were no longer in a position to carry on their depredations with the freedom that attended the earlier days. Population had increased, and with that increase came a better reign of law. The line between law-abiding and law-breaking citizens was rapidly widening. For about ten years, ending in 1833, Ford apparently stood between the two, and kept in close touch with both."
That year, 1833, saw the end of Ford as unknown vigilantes assassinated the civic leader with the iron grip on the law.
Legend has tied Ford to the James Wilson gang of pirates at the cave as well as to slave trader Lewis Kuykendall and kidnapper John Hart Crenshaw. Local historians such as Ron Nelson have discovered his ties to the Sturdivants.
Although some writers have described him as "Satan's Ferryman," his full story has never been told as it is still being discovered in documents forgotten in county court houses and state archives. Eventually his story will be told. Until then, read the books, "Outlaws of Cave-in-Rock," and "Satan's Ferryman."

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 27 October 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

I pretty much lost my shit when Sawyer called Pickett "Chinatown".

― daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Friday, 27 October 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

i hope he kicks Pickett's assface. actually it disturbed me a litle how glad i was that Colleen didn't make it. they keep painting the survivors as the bad guys as if they've killed more people (not sure what the score is anymore tho - Others like to 'take' people more than kill them)

seems silly that Kate only just figured out she could slip thru the bars on the roof of the cage.

good to see Mac from Predator as the prison guvnor tho. he's gonna have him some fun with that 10m!

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

we roffled pretty hard at Sawyer's bucket of water over the head thing.

Holy shit, yeah! That was Mac!

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

I want to make Juliet grilled cheese sandwiches, I love her.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

you want to make gooey Sawyer eyes @ her?

i dun like her.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

she pretends to be all fluffy, but i bet she's a really meany.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

nickalicious you are an unwell man!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

he's just pretending! he just wants Juliet to be all nursey all over him.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

'We don't kill people' is like some sacred tenet of the Others it now seems. But since they do everything but, I don't see that it justifies their self-righteousness.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

Ethan and Goodwin were the first assigned by Benry after the crash and they're the only two we've seen kill people right?

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah. They kinda went renegade and started killing pplz. And they were totally gonna kill Clare when they took her bambino. They like to say they're not killers, but they're full of shit, tbh.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

I think I would've quite liked it if they'd never found Sun hiding on the boat and she'd been able to infiltrate their island base as a result (while Jin gnashed and wailed about going to find her with Sayid and others), maybe even escaping from it again with information to help them rescue JKS.

― ;_; (blueski), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Remember what Danielle said about the Others—THEY LIE!!!!!!!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

Danielle is madder than a polarbear though.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

don't forget abt shooting sawyer then firebombing the raft - in real life that probably would've killed them.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 27 October 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

oh, i watched The Cat Returns, right after L O S T.
was pleasantly surprised to see FISHBISCUITS as a major plot point.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

so I think I have waited long enough to talk about the next-week-on .... did anyone catch the surveillance camera shot from the end of the clip?

SPOILER SPACE YO
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guy with eyepatch?!? poss. related to glass eye they found in the abandoned hatch early in s2?
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OKAY IT'S SAFE NOW

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

My first thought was that Momus had joined the cast.

― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Haha I thought it was Andrew Vachss! My girlfriend said that Patch from Days of Our Lives was the most likely though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

haha

I've watched it a few times (the next-week promo clip), it looks like Locke, Sayid, Hurley, Charlie, Desmond, and the newbs ("Paulo" and "Nikki") go. Such a big team necessary? Why are the newbs coming along? I guarantee it will be one of these things: A) they have USEFUL SKILLZ, or B) they get all "why don't you guys include us in your adventure team?" and Sayid is like "whatever, bring 'em John, more people that aren't us to get shot at".

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

i think it was an alien pirate. the island is run by alien pirates. it explains a lot.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Whoops, forgot to include Eko in the List of People Going To The Pearl. Rumor has it SPOILER DONT LOOK he might not make it to ep 6! SPOILER ENDS.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

haha, Scott's post reminds me of my favorite Spongebob episode

http://www.fromtheheartpostcards.com/greetingcards/sb21.jpg

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

"Why are the newbs coming along?"

new people are useful when you need someone to die a horrible death. every star trek fan knows that.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

haha maybe one of them will be visited by Zombie Amalgamated Arzt Chunks with an important message..."do not seek the treasure!".

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

"SPOILER DONT LOOK he might not make it to ep 6! SPOILER ENDS."

Oh I hope this is not true. I love Adebisi.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't Eko (when he's fit enough to notice) going to be pissed off that Locke built a shamanic sweat lodge in the middle of his church?

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

so after these TWO EPISODES THAT WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING does the show go on break for a few weeks?

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Til FEBRUARY.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

eko should bring back the magically anchored lil' touk.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

'We don't kill people' is like some sacred tenet of the Others it now seems. But since they do everything but, I don't see that it justifies their self-righteousness.

Maybe they're pro-lifers!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

And they're obsessed with children OMG it all fits.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

benry does look like just the kind of nutjob you'd find firebombing abortion clinics.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone else get the impression that Tom & Ben are a couple? I hadn't, until that scene with them in the voyeur room. I like how Tom calls Jack "Shepard".

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, how Disney/ABC of them to make the primary villains gay, right?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

at first I was thinking U MAD but you might be onto something

Beardo to Kate: "you're not my type"

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

ho snap!

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

the backstories this season have been a let-down tbh. also the golf-n00b bit sucked. we have enough new characters with team benry -- don't need any more losties. need fewer if anything. claire would be a good sacrificial death.

agree that sawyer and kate must be there for breeding or something. kate broek heart by saying she didn't love sawyer. but all she really did was introduce doubt.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

Til FEBRUARY.
am not happy about that!

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

there are just two left? lordy!!!!

programme seriously needs to go to 52-ep series.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

damn straight.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

re. second island: did the guy who tried to escape from kate's cage know about this? does this make it a fo'sho' that he was doing it to tempt sawyer?

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

it sort of occurred to me that preventing the plane survivors from seeing the second island might be the reason for Beardo's DO NOT CROSS THIS LINE ultimatum

presumably they had never crossed it until they went after Michael

maybe that's the side of the island that you can see the second island from

― dmr (Renard), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

>> re. second island: did the guy who tried to escape from kate's cage know about this? does this make it a fo'sho' that he was doing it to tempt sawyer?

Could be, as they wanted to show Sawyer they can trick him (the only way to get a conman's respect is to con him).

But then Alex seemed concerned about him and she is allegedly a renegade Other, so dunno.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

maybe Karl, as a renegade Other, knows where to find boat/sub/whatever, and therefore doesn't have to worry about such things.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Also, they seem to have relocated to 2nd island, as s3 opening scene suburbia-land was very definitely on main island (Goodwin & Ethan trekked on foot). Did they relocate after A) the plane crashed or B) Ethan blew their cover/got dead?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Also, is it possible the area the smoke beast thing was protecting is that valley where their village was?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

I hate how they generate so many questions, then, when they answer one, it's not one of these big ones like "who are these people?", but something like, "oh, cloth soaked in oil wrapped around branch, THAT's how they make a torch".

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

the main island = not really that big? hurley walked across it in 1x day, right? but on the other hand yes: the smoke-monster maybe protected the others' village.

they abandoned the hospital where they had claire at some point too. it is quite plausible that they abandoned the island entire i guess.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Smokey monster seems to only be around the Losties camp.
Things that indicate this may be true:

Tailies weren't bothered by Smokey@their camp.
Ms. Klugh, when Michael asked "Why don't you go get him, then?", wrt Henry capture, replied "WE CAN'T DO THAT"

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

didn't rousseau say he was often found around the blakc rock?

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i think so. at any rate, it's only ever seen around Lostyville.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

but the balck rock is near the middle of the island no? the island isn't that big. although: i still don't get how benry didn't know about desmond's yacht.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I've also been wondering: Rousseau, on the island for 16 years, setting mad traps, how is it that the first of Them that she captures happens to be their leader? And what was Henjamin doing out in the jungle, alone? Was he telling Locke the truth when he said he was coming for him, and is it because he is a good person, or do They also know that John is "amenable for coercion"? Did he get captured on purpose?

WTFU, TV SHOW.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Ms. Klugh, when Michael asked "Why don't you go get him, then?", wrt Henry capture, replied "WE CAN'T DO THAT"

forgot about this - weird. why would they not march down and get him back if not because of uncontrollable Smokey?

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

see, the thing is, he must've either been going someplace else, or got captured on purpose, again due to Ms Klugh's "We can't do that" line. But I should think they DO want Locke. But i doubt Henry was going for him at that time. And yeah, they want him probably because he's a goodperson(tm) AND amenable for coercion. Ideal candidate for a new Other/experimental subject/voodoodool/whatever the fuck the others do with people.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

unless Ms Klugh was bullshitting Michael, and basically saying "why the fuck would we risk more of us, when you're gonna do it for us or we'll fuck up yr kid".

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Surely the SUBURBS and the Village of Huts are on the main island, but they have temporarily relocated to prison island while they sort out the prisoners? Maybe they have a tunnel! I mean, how many Others have we seen around the fishbiscuit cages? 6 or 7? that's not all of them...

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

'did benry get captured on purpose?' is one of the big questions. upthread someone says the actor was only hired for a few eps and caught on. and he got shot. and it was a big risk for the others's leader to get netted like that.

so maybe they decided he'd be an important guy later on? thus retrospectively had had to have got caught on purpose.

another big wtf (in that no-one refers to it) is the air-drop they find on the way back from digging up the Real Henry Gale.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

why would they not march down and get him back if not because of uncontrollable Smokey?

-- ;_; (n...), October 30th, 2006.

ethan seemed to be on good terms with it.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Surely the SUBURBS and the Village of Huts are on the main island, but they have temporarily relocated to prison island while they sort out the prisoners?

this is what i had assumed. crash sites were deffo on the same island as Othersville in episode1.
also, Ms Klugh threatened Walt with THE ROOM. i assume we haven't seen this room yet? It must be back at the Decoy Village, right? that's where they made the threat. They held Michael at Decoy Village for 2 weeks, but had Walt been to the Hydra? To Othersville?
What's THE ROOM? It could be in the Hydra, one of the Aquaria; each time Walt appeared in S2, he was soaking wet.

WTF?

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

ethan came from the sea!

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

SUBMARINE!

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

we didn't see ethan infiltrate first time round. smokey is lame imo.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Smokey is ultimate badass. I reckon in the final episode, the Losties will harness smokey and make him eat Benry alive.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

I hadn't thought about that re: Walt & the room. She asked Michael if he had ever been in 2 places at the same time, maybe they were trying to coax him into teleporting by putting him in a tank & filling it up?

Of all the dropped plot points, the one I most hope doesn't slip through is: how did they get "more than they bargained for" with Walt? What happened to him while he was in their custody?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Hopefully he teleported his fist into Benry's smug fucking face.

maybe they were trying to coax him into teleporting by putting him in a tank & filling it up?

that's a good theory!

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

i like benry, but it was awesome when sawyer lamped him.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, Benry owns. but he does have a smug fucking face.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

on a different matter (of 0 interest to many probably), anyone know how it works re Sky being able to show new Lost in the UK in a fortnight's time whereas Channel 4 were holding it back til next year? is it all to do with how much money is offered by them to ABC or the buyer's own decision or what?

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

the fact that RTE Two are showing episode 3:1 tomorrow night in Ireland suggests it is down to the buyers when they can show it. if so, glad C4 lost it.

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

good question! i don't see why it couldn't be buyer's decision. presumably c4 waited to see if it was a hit with s01 hence not showing till nearly a year after the crash.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Channel4 fucked up good.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

THEORIES!

1. Where's Ms Klugh?

2. Did the Others know about Desmond? If they didn't, then it probably makes sense that they didn't know about the boat. It wasn't pretty hidden in that little bay. It also means that Kelvin/Inman isn't part of them or at least, never told them about Desmond. He always planned to use Desmond to escape anyway.

3. If the Others knew the plane was going to crash, then Desmond didn't cause it. But he must have. Seems to great a coincidence that he decides not to push the button at the EXACT time Flight 815 went down.

4. Juliet's "So what if they have a boat? Sailing in circles will keep them busy" and then Colleen replies "But they might find US". Maybe prison island hadn't always been there - Desmond had been sailing around in circles for three weeks, seems stupid that he never found prison island. I think the islands move...

5. If they didn't know about Desmond or Kelvin/Inman, then it's possible that they didn't know about the Swan at all? I think they only found out about the Swan from Walt, which might explain why Benry was caught - he might have been sent to check it out. Walt is the only person they've caught who knew about the Swan, even though he never saw it. Alternatively, they may have been trying to figure out what caused the crash and pinpointed it to the EMPs coming from the Swan.

― Roz (Roz), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

oops typos galore:

2. it WAS pretty hidden etc
3. too great a coincidence...

― Roz (Roz), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

yeh Juliet's remark seems silly given that being able to sail all the way round the island means they'd see the other island (although they could also do this just by walking the shoreline, which Sayid was meant to be doing before getting distracted by Rousseau's cable and everything after that).

the Others can't have planned the plane crash specifically as indicated by Benry's "there MAY be survivors" remark but he sure memorised the plan of action in the unlikely event of it happening at all.

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

good question! i don't see why it couldn't be buyer's decision. presumably c4 waited to see if it was a hit with s01 hence not showing till nearly a year after the crash.

I can't see why they wouldn't be free to show it immediately. Or, as soon as they're sure that they won't have an episode gap as happens in the states.

RTE always shows things way before the Britisher networks. I don't know why this is.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

it's possible that they didn't know about the Swan at all?

another lingering question is who was monitoring the Swan via the Pearl. when Locke and Eko got in there it looked like it had been recently vacated.

I think the islands move...

I kinda think so too. The other theory was that the electromagnetics mess up people's compasses. I think there is only one special secret way to sail out of there? (Ben tells Michael to stay on one certain bearing and go straight. Of course that could also be the direct path to the giant seamonster.)

― dmr (Renard), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond had been sailing around in circles for three weeks

Drunk, and underneath the deck!

Does anyone have a screengrab of the view from alcatraz? Were there any beaches visible or was in all cliff faces?

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

I think there is only one special secret way to sail out of there? (Ben tells Michael to stay on one certain bearing and go straight.

I think you have something with this.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

possibly the Others island is not visible from the original island shore - due to the alleged magnetic field causing an optical illusion as well as blocking exit from the island waters (except for the gap that Michael and Walt may go thru). ridiculous perhaps but not necessarily anymore so than nobody on the original island seeing the secondary island yet.

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

none of that explains how the food-drop got thru tho

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

The food-drop thing is bizarre. A parachute is dropped, most likely from a plane and not a single Lostie wondering where the hell it came from or whether they should start signaling for a plane?

― Roz (Roz), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

They did wonder for like a SPLIT second, long enough for a Sawyer zing.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, and then it was just Hurley going "oh noes, FOOD. Hey is that... Dave?!".

I'm waiting for Penny Widmore and her merry band of Portuguese scientists to turn up soon.

― Roz (Roz), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

"Where did this food come from and isn't it disturbing?" was the inital source of friction between Bernard and Rose in "SOS."

IF POLAR BEARD WERE CAGED ON PRISION ISLAND WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING ON BIG ISLAND?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Also, Prision Island was definalty a zoological research facility in the Dharma days. Others probably had little use for it prior to having prisioners.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.seanorthtours.com/bear.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

It looked like almost a mile to the bigger island though. Can Polar Bears swim distances that far?

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

i don't see why there being a second island is some kind of big revelation.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, as a rule, where you find one island, you're bound to find a few more.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Sailing around in circles != sailing around in circles around the island.

e.g. Desmond heads south, directly away from the southern tip of the island, goes around in big electromagnetic fuckery induced circle, ends up back at southern tip of the island, fails to see The Rock at north end of island because he didn't go anywhere near it.

Islands moving theory is nonsense - if they didn't know about Desmond/the boat how could they have kept the other island sneaking around hiding from him?

― ONIMO's pet donkey jacket potato (GerryNemo), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

xpost:

However, you were led to believe that they were being held captive on the same island. So 2nd island is kind of a big relevation. Still, geographically speaking, its to be expected. (Though nothing is to be expected with this specific island, hence: show is intriguing).

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

you know by the end of the show they're gonna have to chalk everything up to magic - either that or offer an unbelievably absurd scientific explanation. of course by then everyone will have lost interest due to endless convolutions.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

I think whoever said they were told not to go beyond Point A because they might see Island B is OTM, although it stands to reason that the Pala Ferry would be on the shore nearest Island B, from which point it kind of ought to be visible, but then somebody also should've spotted the goddamn RADIO TOWER by now also, so whatever.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

season 5: kate kidnaps hurley's alien butt-baby!

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

Islands moving theory is nonsense

just wait, the prison island will turn out to be a huge aircraft carrier covered in dirt and fake trees

― dmr (Renard), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

In the Season two finale, on the marina, I'm pretty sure there are a couple frames where in the background you can see real-life-island Chinaman's Hat:

http://www.makanikai.com/images/alii_sacred_tour/large/Chinaman

The scene was definatly shot on the bay where that island lies.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray for our LOST island inside man!

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Ha Ha.

If anyone is interested in more on-location trivia, or is planning a visit to Oahu, This Site
is pretty helpful.

Even if you never plan on visiting Ohahu, it had cool side-by-side screenshots vs. IRL photos.

Wow! I just checked it for the first time this season and it turns out that the place they shot polar-bear-cages is really close to my house. I've jogged there before.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Desmond said he sailed due west (or thought he was)

also, HI GUYS I'M HERE. long-time L O S T lover, first time poster, because I finally caught up! thank fuck for torrents and dvds!

― jergins (jergins), Monday, 30 October 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Also I'd really like a screenshot of the may Sayid was drawing. that could be our best bet for figuring things out.

― jergins (jergins), Monday, 30 October 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

(though I am a maps person and can't really figure out what the hell is going on, sometimes they're going L-r, sometimes R-L, w/ the sun where you'd expect it if they say they're on the south side of the island that far south in the ocean, etc. confusing, for sure)

― jergins (jergins), Monday, 30 October 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

It looked like almost a mile to the bigger island though. Can Polar Bears swim distances that far?

No problem to a polar bear.

Yeah, although we have been saying this kind of thing for two and a bit years now.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 30 October 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

If you watch the extras on s2 dvd7 the creators/writers "promise" that in the end it wont be a cheap explination like magic or all a dream or whatever.

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 30 October 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

haha, in one of their podcasts they also promised that, if they have to drag it out for that long, season 7 will be ZOMBIE SEASON

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 30 October 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Mrs. Klugh and a skeleton krew are hanging out back in the Burbs. Locke et al find the place, capture her and her redshirt Others using SYSTEMS THINKING, also discover more SECRETS there. Then they find out from her about the Others' other island and do prisoner exchange?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

GUD THEORY A+++ WOULDS ASK FOR THEORY AGAIN

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

prisoner exchange or sawyer going back to camp as michael mk II would be a bit 's02'? but dan's theory is plausible.

― benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

i do want to see Ms Klugh again. i can't fucking wait for the reveal on the taken kids/walt powers thing.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe they'll do some science magic so Sawyer will end up having a BOIYBAY a la Ahnuld in Junior.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

lol

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000296G7A.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― dmr (Renard), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa, I just remembered I had a dream last night that involved the four-toed statue somehow.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Hi L O S T thread, soon we will be posting stuff about new episode, but in the meantime, here's some boob cuppage!:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/finale/27/normal_livediecap1347.jpg

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

That photo's making me think that (spoiler-->)

the soon-to-be-revealed gay character is Alex.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

OMG I didn't know we could do font tricks on ilx, I thought that power was revoked! Awesome.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

but she loves teenage boy who was in the cage.

is conjecture really a 'spoiler'?

― jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

You have to use paragraph tags, though. Like this (but with angle bracket, obv.):

[p style="color:#fff;"]ooh a spoiler![/p]

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

jergins -- It's a spoiler b/c the producers have confirmed that there is such a character.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

Don't make me post BLAIR=BENRY.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

oh ok thx jaymc xpost

― jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

haha are you reduced to listening to podcasts too?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

One thing learned from podcasts: Damon Lindelof is a funny motherfucker.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

xp: Of course. That last podcast was tres informative.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know whether any of those are aimed at me, but I came up with my theory independently at work today.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/fd/250px-Lisawhelchel.jpg OR http://www.cnn.com/interactive/entertainment/0111/harrison.quotes/images/tony.blair.file.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

Onimo to thread with the pictures he discovered earlier today.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

BEST. CHEESEBURGER.

EVER.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

Finally, it was one of those lose my shit all over again episodes. I guess it's good they space these out for my own safety.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG x infinity

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

well, ecko's death solves the problem of not having jack around to patch him up

― wwweb (jbweb), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

Eko wouldn't have whispered in John's ear "we're next", he would've said "you're next", which might've been meant just for John & maybe Desmond, fellow hatch blower uppers, right?

And I never imagined we would've seen smoke beasty in such plain detail!!! But it appeared to Locke as a bright light apparently!

And omg the Others have cheeseburgers! And omg Nikki is their new Captain Obvious! And someone used the bathroom on tv, even if it was douchebag Paulo! And I just...JESUS CHRIST, THAT WAS AN EPISODE.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

So, if Eko had confessed and asked for forgiveness, would Smoky have left him alone?

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

The series of events seemed to imply either a) that or b) that he was a bad mang [whereas Locke - who never killed anyone - is a good man], but it seems intentionally either/or, I thought. There were a lot of times in this episode (flashback and present) when it seemed as though they were trying to force-remind us of Eko's repeated line in earlier episodes about how "confession means nothing without a penetant heart".

They better work their tv magic strong and make these new characters at least a little more endearing/interesting.

However, I must admit it was ballsy on the parts of the producers to off a popular character for once. Eko will be missed (but the way they do this show you know we'll see him again [possibly as a manifestation of the smoke beast]).

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

haha I just realized nobody saw smokey. And Locke said he saw a white light, but he's also seen the smokey beast...could there be more than one island apparition? Maybe smokey beast and corpse reanimator beast are the dark/light backgammon-with-lives-playin' axis of the island?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

i feel like a party pooper. i think this was my least fave episode so far. i love him as an actor and as a presence, but eko's flashbacks were kinda my least favorite too. i'm just not into the whole xian redemption thing. plain old redemption is fine by me though. in other words, i don't think i'll miss him much. for one thing, he was way cryptic on an island that doesn't exactly lack for cryptic-ness. i wanna know what's going on with the island, and all the time wondering what the hell he was doing in silence was time wasted! geez, i'm mean. sorry. i heart adebisi.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

Who's really manipulating Jack? Ben or Juliette?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

the others are all lying liars. we will never really know.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

that might have been my fave charlie quip tonight:

"before or after we rescued him from the polar bear cave?"

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

jack could also be lying to ben!

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, ben's not a goddamn spinal surgeon!

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to decide if Juliet's "Subterranean Homesick Blues" video was a con or not.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

i like that juliet felt like she had to convince jack that ben was really dangerous. um, you think? hi, i'm the guy in the corner locked in a fish tank.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

he just SEEMS like a rilly rilly nice guy.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

when he isn't looking at you like he wants to eat your face off.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

#1 thing: i taped (with a V.C.R.) the episode and just watched it and the cue-cards were unreadable b/c i don't have cable and the image was fine except not fine enough for thin black letters on white cardboard on tv screen, i guess... can someone give me the gist of that? was she saying not to trust ben or to kill him or ?

i still don't know what/who to believe though, on all "sides" - but i guess that's the point. the thing about the smoke monster and the reanimated deadies is that it'd seem they're just in people's heads - and yet they can affect people physically. so then they are not just in their heads... and also, the mechanical sounds that come along with the smoke creature are curious - why are they their except to signify that it's a machine-like thing that's being controlled by someone.

or it's god. mecha-god.

and there's the issue now of not just dads but of brothers - "you speak to me as if i were your brother" and then eko's reaction was pretty interesting. was the bro saying that he had disowned eko OR was the bro saying he wasn't actually eko's bro, that he was someone else (someone he had to confess to too.) i am sorta beginning to think that sawyer and kate are brother and sister...

and yeah, captain nikki obvious and the "that's the plane where he found his brother's body" cringeworthy line?? i can see how this is so we know that the backgrounders know things, but it could've been written a whole lot better.

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

i am sorta beginning to think that sawyer and kate are brother and sister...

Hello Star Wars!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

DON'T TRUST BEN

HE'S DANGEROUS

SOME OF US WANT A CHANGE

KILL HIM IN SURGERY, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN ACCIDENT, I'LL COVER FOR YOU, EVERYBODY WILL TOTALLY BELIEVE IT, IT'S DANGEROUS SURGERY ANYWAY, ETC.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

i am sorta beginning to think that sawyer and kate are brother and sister...

Did you watch "House" last night?

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

thanks!!

jack would never kill anyone in surgery though - and juliet should know that, right? hm

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

i don't watch house! were they discussing lost??

but i remember my star wars 'ohmygod, remember when they kissed! they're brother and sister!' reaction and the same is possible for lost

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

No, this young couple who were so in love, both got sick at the same time, turned out they were half-sibs.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, this thread doesn't say "House spoilers!" in the title, Jeezus!!! I haven't watched it yet.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

This was my least favorite episode of the season thus far, but it has enough good stuff (ie, Jack and the Others scenes) to keep me happy. Something about the rhythm felt off, but I guess that's not shocking given that the writers of this episode are new to the series. I was worried about Eko getting killed off before this episode aired, but after that boring ass flashback, I barely care, and at least it advanced the "monster" plot, though it just confirmed something I suggested back when "?" aired in the spring.

I already kinda dislike Paulo and Nikki.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and Eko meant John in specific --- he's the other character that has interacted directly with the "monster" back in season 1, and in "?"

The "monster" was using John and Eko for its own end, though it's not clear at the moment what that could be. It's a tool of manipulation and punishment.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, even more plausible that they're half-siblings!
xpost
house spoilers are barely spoilers really, compared to lost
;)

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and hey, wasn't it totally weird that they just kinda threw Sayid back into the camp, and Sun/Jin didn't pop up at all and we never saw him mention anything about the events of "The Glass Ballerina"?

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, they acknowledge the passing of a few days, but it still seemed awkward to me. But I guess I was hoping for Sun/Jin/Sayid to be off on their own tangent for a while.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

So, um... who's the bald pirate in one of the other hatches?

I hope they're not going to make a habit of explaining obvious holes away by Locke admitting he should have noticed/realized like taking a look at some of the other monitors.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 2 November 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

I appreciate them acknowledging that John is kind of a ditz sometimes, though!

Well it seems like a fair guess that Eyepatch Dude has something to do with that glass eye Eko et al found back in "The Other 48 Days."

It also seems like a good guess that Eyepatch Dude has got nothing to do with Ben's group, and may actually be at odds with them.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

In fairness to Locke, I think he was kinda flipping out over a lot of things being thrown at him in the Pearl Station, and didn't actually spend a lot of time there in "?"

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:08 (nineteen years ago)

haha I just realized nobody saw smokey

gives a whole new meaning to SNUFFalupagus, don'it? Or was I the only one who saw the Adebisi clearly got done by a heffalump?

― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 2 November 2006 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

pretty good episode. the writers have mentioned doing an episode where a red shirt comes along for a trip and a regular dies, like in this one, for quite a while.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 2 November 2006 07:24 (nineteen years ago)

i'm getting sick of flashbacks that have very little to do with the rest of the episode, however.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 2 November 2006 07:25 (nineteen years ago)

I hope they're not going to make a habit of explaining obvious holes away by Locke admitting he should have noticed/realized like taking a look at some of the other monitors.

that was HORRIBLE. as are nikki & paolo or whoever they're called. locke's whole "hmm who ELSE would like to join us on this adventure?" made me throw up a little in my mouth. as did paolo & nikki's expository convo once they got to the plane: "uhh i think eko's here because his BROTHER is IN THE PLANE, REMEMBER?". yuk!

also, if the smoke monster can shape itself into basically a big fist, why couldn't it shape itself into a person?

― something less threatening (heywood), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:00 (nineteen years ago)

i did ultimately like the episode though despite the annoyances...

― something less threatening (heywood), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

also, if the smoke monster can shape itself into basically a big fist, why couldn't it shape itself into a person?

it already has amirite

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

best thing about this episode: it builds upon the events of S1E5 "White Rabbit", with visions of Jack's father and his corpse missing.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

the local african altar boy kid in the flashbacks reminded me of walt a lot

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

like he was taking every action in and remembering it. also open-faced, really aware

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

you know what i think? EYEPATCH DUDE CONTROLS THE SMOKE MONSTER!!!

i knew eko was doomed when i listened to the last podcast. also the writers hate black people.

― GOD PUNCH TO ADEKOEBISI (yournullfame), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

The new characters are so bad! They remind me exactly of video game characters, especially like from Resident Evil 1.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 2 November 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

The worst part about that "his dead brother's in the plane" line was how blatantly tacked on it was. Like, in the very last stages of editing they must have been thinking "hm, we need just one more thing for the new people to say... Let's stick something in wherever's convenient"

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 2 November 2006 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

absolutely. it's so bad i was thinking maybe this was deliberate, they were playing the campy redshirt thing up. but no.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 2 November 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

other than the juliet videotape thing I didn't think this episode was that hot
eko's flashback just sort of filled in a bunch of stuff you already could figure out by the end of his last flashback
bummerz that he croaked though ;_;

Maybe smokey beast and corpse reanimator beast are the dark/light backgammon-with-lives-playin' axis of the island?

yeah I think this might be rihgt

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't get what they are going for with Nikki and Paulo -- I mean, all the other new characters are totally totally awesome (Ben, Juliet, that bastard Pickett), so I don't know. My feeling that in more than one way, Paulo and Nikki are meant to a) be the audience both in terms of being really annoying and dumb and also sort of condescending and petty, but also in the "hey they can spout some exposition and it will seem vaguely normal" sense b) give the audience some understanding as to why the cast we've been following asserted themselves as characters worthy of being the leads in the story c) get some cheap sex appeal by basically looking like soap opera actors. But I guess judging by the fate of Eko, Libby, and Ana Lucia, new characters are only introduced to get killed off, and so I'm eager to see Paulo's terrible demise already, even moreso than Pickett.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say "they need to grow a pair and kill off an original cast member" but it seems that they are on their way there with the heavy foreshadowing of Jin's eventual death in "The Glass Ballerina."

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Guys I just thought of something. Okay, if something is reanimating corpses, possibly smoke entity, possibly some other entity, and if Radzinsky dude actually did die, what if eyeless guy in other hatch is reanimated corpse of Radzinsky and not ACTUALLY Radzinsky himself? And maybe it was that same entity that came and kicked Eko's ass? And MAYBE the next one he's gonna get is this new girl Nikki because she was sitting right in front of the Pearl station camera (remember, there is a camera down there monitoring the people monitoring the other stations)!

Or possibly it's Momus.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Also I think it's hilarious that the producer dudes have always been like "on LOST, when you're dead you're DEAD" and seriously we have seen I think every single character who has died so far after their death, either on island or in flashback. Except Shannon, I guess.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

There just doesn't seem to be any NEED for Nikki and Paulo. The cast is enormous as it is. I mean, I know Claire isn't particularly well-liked, but why couldn't that have been Charlie and Claire who accompanied Locke to the Pearl? All Claire has done this season is say "Charlie! Locke is back! Go talk to him!"

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

There will never be reanimated corpses on Lost, they've been really clear about that, unless we get to season seven, which is the Zombie Season. When they say "dead is dead" they mean that the characters cease to be alive, not that they can't show up in hallucinations and flashbacks, which are totally totally fair game and not the same thing at all as a resurrection.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I think you might be confusing the death of a character with the permanent firing of an actor!

I think it's a good chance we'll see Eko again, perhaps as a brutal manifestation of the black smoke.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

This episode had me yawning a bit. I just stopped caring that much about Eko. And the dialogue seemed weird. Locke didn't seem believable. I liked the part with Jack. I miss Sawyer.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe reanimating corpses isn't exactly what I'm thinking, something more like, smoke beast is eating dead bodies and using the genetic code to replicate them. I remember the writer dudes or whatever back in the day saying "no it's not nanotech" but it sure seems like that's where they're going with smokey.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

I know, the whirring camera-clicking noises that robyn mentioned sure seems to point you in the direction that it's something mechanical

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

ooh, i like the eating genetic code theory. and that makes thematic sense too with importance of fathers and siblings.

eyepatch guy popping up totally scared me!
he could be an other other for sure.

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

ooh, i like the eating genetic code theory.

but all the other guys that Eko hacked up who reappeared to him were not actually on the island to be "eaten." it can read memories and regenerate them as visions. or something.

but they also seemed less real / permanent than Eko's bro

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

I like that it's left completely up in the air if he's bene-/malevolent, or possibly just some bunkered-up weirdo with no loyalties anywhere.

Also, IF smoke beast killed Eko because it thought he was a bad mang for killing people, is it possibly the root of Ben's "we don't kill people" philosophy? Also IF smoke beast is now turning malevolent (possibly pissed that they exploded the EM anomaly/hatch*), could that be a thing that unites Ben, Tom, Jack, Locke, Island Momus, Danielle, errbody?

*also, is it possible the thing actually killed Eko because, after it tried to convince him to push the button via visions of Yemi, the EM anomaly/hatch got blowed up? Like, maybe it's mad because it's supposed to protect The Island (from the outside world?), but Eko failed it (and now Penny Widmore and her icemen cometh)?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

the local african altar boy kid in the flashbacks reminded me of walt a lot

like he was taking every action in and remembering it. also open-faced, really aware

yeah me too. and putting his finger to his lips in a "shhh," I think ghost Walt / wet Walt did that to Shannon? and am I nuts or did the altar boy kid say a word backwards? (like Walt in the whole "push the button, the button is bad" episode.) maybe altar boy kid didn't talk backwards but if he didn't I couldn't make out what he was saying.

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Island Momus, Danielle

I read this as "Island Momus, Darnielle." Ha.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

the alter boy definitely said something weird that i couldn't catch that made me want to rewind the tape! and then i didn't rewind the tape.

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

I rewound it and still couldn't understand it, it sounded like he said "go fish."

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, that's what i thought but it's weird

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

He said "CONFESS".

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I had to ask someone what he said, but I believe Nick is right.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

oh, of course... duh

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

I think it was "go fish"

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Eko dead :( Although it looks like he gained a lot of weight this season. Very dough-y. Paolo and Nikki are k-snore. I hope they get killed soon.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

People on the TWOP forum be mad about the show killing Eko. Seriously, every other post at that place is like "I AM DONE WITH "LOST," YOU HAVE TORN MY HEART TO SHREDS." Get a grip.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

What do you expect? TWOP people are pretty much the stupidest form of television viewers.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Also, IF smoke beast killed Eko because it thought he was a bad mang for killing people, is it possibly the root of Ben's "we don't kill people" philosophy?

ooh i bet this is right.

i was telling a friend last night that i've been trying to develop a set of rules for the smoke monster, some kind of parameters for its actions (yes i know how doomed of an idea it is). so what changed w/ Eko during that episode? at the river he was still able to scare the smoke monster away, but an hour later, as an unrepentant man, he got dead. I'm thinking it can't be as simple is a good man/bad man dichotomy, but that's all i got.

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

The smoke monster is operating on harsh, Old Testament morality, and I figure that it's a man made device gone horribly wrong, and is being used to manipulate the castaways. It brought Locke and Eko to the Pearl Station for a reason, though it's hard to say what that could be at the moment.

I am hoping that Juliet turns out to be the greater evil and not Ben, if just because it'd be terrible and great to see Jack conned by a pretty face and a cheeseburger.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Jack could be conned by a dime store hooker with bad teeth and an Oscar Meyer hot dog. The guy is just not that quick.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just hoping that they BOTH aren't conning him together, because that's bad drama.

The thing I most want to understand is why Jack and Rose get "healed" by the island, and yet the same thing does not happen to a number of other people on the island, including Ben Linus. It's the most baffling thing. Do you have to be of a certain age? Is this where the "life extension project" kicks in, when you're over 50?

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think It is actually scared of Locke (it "ran" off just as he came around the bend).

And the thing is, I get the impression that both Ben AND Juliet are being completely sincere this time, which makes Jack's situation all the more exciting for us the viewer!

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it's scared of Locke at all -- it knows that it can use Locke for its purposes. Eko was dangerous and outlived his usefulness and was executed for not repenting, ie, proving himself to be a potential threat/wild card.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - yeah after the episode my wife and I were talking about how there are 2 camps, those who got fixed up by "benevolent" island magic (Jin/Sun, Rose, Locke) and those who were "destroyed" (Boone, Eko)

not sure what the common thread is, though

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I meant Locke and Rose up the thread a bit, but I think you all got my meaning.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

Refresh my memory: why was Boone "the sacrifice that the island demanded"? I thought he was killed because when he approached the cockpit, his weight shifted the plane's balance and it went boom.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

That is why he was killed.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Well also because he couldn't act his way out of paper bag.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

i still think juliet wants ben dead and wants to fuck jack.

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Right, but Renard mentions "those who were 'destroyed' (Boone, Eko)" by the island. And Locke justified Boone's death as "the sacrifice the island demanded."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

I don't take Locke's word for stuff like that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Season 4: one of the background survivors to be played by Tom Bosley, chewed up by Smoky in episode 8.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

You know, one of the great things about this episode is that we've got the old John Locke back again -- you know, the one who is totally having the time of his life in this island adventure. Like, for example, look at his face when he sees the Eyepatch Dude and says "I guess this means he'll be expecting us." He's more giddy than most of the audience!

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

OH OH OH OH re: dead bodies and the reappearance thereof on island...MAYBE THIS IS WHY BEN ET AL HAVE THE VIKING FUNERALS!!!!

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

It's like he's thinking "oh yay, I loved reading pirate stuff as a kid!"

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

I still like the idea that the one-eyed guy is Andrew Vachss.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

I was just thinking about the rapid-aging experiment that some people have speculated the Others/Dharma have been working on (i.e., this is how they'll explain Walt's growth spurt when he comes back, and also how Ben could have been living on the island his whole life, even though Dharma's only been there for 34 years) -- how come Alex is still a teenager?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Locke is totally going to take Eko's death really personally and commit hardcore to island adventuring.

xposts since he confessed to Jack he's lived on the island his whole life I have been of the opinion that he is of pre-Dharma island ancestry...OMG what if we see a close-up of his foot and he has FOUR TOES!!!?!?!

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

I do like how locke seems to have regained the bounce in his step (literally--he started hopping when they were getting ready to go to the pearl) and the glint in his eye (literally, on my crappy tv). And he gets that smile that says "I'm on the right track and I know it" that he hasn't had since season one. love it.

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

Jaymc, Hanso has a "life extension" program, they aren't trying to rapidly age anyone so much as the opposite.

I think people are being way too literal about Ben's "I've lived on this island my whole life" thing.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Really? Why make it such a big reveal if it wasn't meant to be taken literally?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

I think the bigger part of the Ben-on-island-long-time reveal isn't so much just that he's been there the whole time but apparently has the option to leave but doesn't.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

Also, BEN IS A LYING LIAR. Juliet said so!

I could totally kill for a hamburger right now.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so mad at tv, I used to get mad about how tv talk used "reveal" instead of "revelation" which I think is grammatically correct, now I use it myself.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

you're otm re: viking funerals btw
and david r is otm re: needing hamburgers right now

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Although it looks like he gained a lot of weight this season

Definitely.

OTM!!!!

OK, I can totally see the pieces falling together to form LIFE EXTENSION PROJECT V2.0, but where did the first hints about this come from? Was it mentioned in one of the introduction tapes that I'm not remembering? Or was it on some of that on-the-web-and-fake-tv-commercials-and-toll-free-numbers Dharma Initiative stuff?

I really like that we the audience honestly don't know whether to believe Juliet or Benry. I think their three line conversation at the funeral is there to make it clear that they are not working together on Jack. (As clear as anything can be on LOST). I also like the idea that Jack is conning Benry, but I doubt this is what's happening because you know that good or bad JACK NEEDS SOMETHING TO FIX!!!

LOVED Hurley's line about "Uh.... usually Jack just goes off and brings Kate or Sawyer..."

LOVED Niki and Paulo's HI DERE WE GET TO BE IN ADVENTURE NOW THX FOR INCLUDING US shtick. It built on Paulo's line to Desmond last week about "getting killed in the jungle." Of course they're shitty characters, but for some reason I liked the heavy handed NOW THE REDSHIRTS GET TO PLAY ALONG routine.

Its really creepy to think that a character like Benry can be so evil and hold Thou Shalt Not Kill as a virtue. I really hope this turns out to be true and that its tied in to the smokemonster's punishment of Eko. That'd be really good writing. They'll need a good explanation as to what happened to the rest of the tailies though.

PISSED that Eko's gone. I could have used another two seasons of his ass-kicking and monologue-ing. (He DID just get arrested in Waikiki about a month ago for driving without a license, for those of you who have a tailies-getting-killed-off-after-real-life-brushes-with-the-law conspiracy theories.) I really hated his death scene too. Smokemonster shape-shifting into a giant fist and smashing him around? Lame. I'll be over it in a few weeks though, I can respect the need to kill of characters to keep the story moving.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I was kinda hoping that Eko was gonna get it from his brother, and not Smokey.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

Or was it on some of that on-the-web-and-fake-tv-commercials-and-toll-free-numbers Dharma Initiative stuff?

I think I saw it on the original Hanso Foundation website early in season 2 (but not Lost Experience, just the regular website)

there was a list of projects but only one was a live link

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think people are being way too literal about Ben's "I've lived on this island my whole life" thing.

otm. i've been around cult members in the past and this is exactly the kind of language they'd use ("born", not "reborn"). the robes last night obv made me think of the cultish stuff too.

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

I was kinda hoping that Eko was gonna get it from his brother, and not Smokey.

same difference though, right?

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Also, what to make of Benry's line about "Two days after I find out I have a tumor on my spine, a spinal surgeoun falls out of the sky"

??????

Does this disprove theories about flight 815 being chosen to crash by the others? If you look at it along with thier reaction to its crash in the season premiere, I think it does.

xpost: yeah, let's talk about the cult-y robes. Others are definetly on some cult shit and not just plain ol' scientists or castaways.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

my guess is the cult's philosophy is something like --- while the rest of the (immoral) world rushes towards apocalypse we seal ourselves off and create a society of superhumans, using Dharma experiments to push humanity to its higher potential, yada yada.

somewhat related - didn't someone at one point refer to the smokemonster as a "security system"? it's like the enforcer of moral purity or something.

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

did Smoky kill the plane pilot in the very first episode?

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

I think Juliet's going to end up being a way way badder bad guy than Ben

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

I also don't get what's so confusing about Ben growing up on the island before the Dharma Initiative set up shop. The island has been there for a loooooooooooong time, and they've gone out of their way to establish that there is a deeper history to the island, most notably the big statue that Sayid sees in "Live Together, Die Alone."

Now we know that Ben's people have some kind of reverence/loyalty to Alvar Hanso (see: when Tom paraphrases the Hanso quote from the original Hanso Foundation website when he first runs into Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Locke in "The Hunting Party"), and we know that Hanso is involved with the Dharma Initiative, but why people seem to think that it's all the same thing, or that Dharma were the first and only Hanso-related people to come to the island is sorta beyond me.

xpost I think Ben was very, very sincere about that "spinal surgeon fell from the sky, so yes I believe in God" thing.

xxpost If I recall, Danielle Rousseau actually calls it the security system at some point in the first season, but my memory of those episodes is really foggy.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

(The actress that plays Juliet is also the best person at acting in the whole show)

xpost

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

did Smoky kill the plane pilot in the very first episode?

Yeah, hence the first solo single from Charlie Pace (ex-Driveshaft): "Monster Ate the Pilot."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Do you think that could be in part due to the fact that her role requires more acting and greater subtlety?

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

I am hooked on Benry's acting after this episode.

I want to see him in a screenplay by David Mamet with John Malkovich and Chistopher Walken.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

He should totally play Christopher Walken's little brother in something!

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think its kind of shitty that the website would be that crucial to understanding a part of the show's plot. Maybe I'm just sour because I didnt get into it last season, but I'd like to think the website stuff is a fun spin-off for fans of the show, and that the show can stand on its own.

I think its obvious that the Others are NOT continuing the Dharma Initiative's work. DI's work got derailed at some point and Other's are on thier own shit. The Others use old DI structures for things other than thier original purpose- people being kept in cages and tanks meant for animals, etc. They obviously have thier own happy, suburban village that looks very different from all the Dharma structures.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

It's not *crucial* to the understanding of the show, they just drop hints for the hardcore fans. The show is totally built to stand on its own, and knowing that Tom was paraphrasing Hanso does not really change anything so much as allow fans to make better educated guesses re: Hanso and Dharma.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

i think smokey's been referred to as a 'security system' more than once, but maybe only by Rousseau.

in the first episode, when they hear it, Rose says something like, "that sound reminds me of home." someone asks her where she's from and she says Queens NY. i love that little detail: what in Queens would remind one of that mechanical crunching sound?

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought Smokemonster sounded like a deisel engine or a motor boat sitting idle.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I also like the idea that Jack is conning Benry, but I doubt this is what's happening because you know that good or bad JACK NEEDS SOMETHING TO FIX!!!

haha so roffltaciously OTM

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

OMG Michael Emerson's imdb page is a glaring example of a resume not doing an actor's abilities justice.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

If smokemonster punishes those who kill, how did Michael get off the Island alive?

DID Michael get off the Island alive?

OR... did he do the Island's bidding by killing Anna Lucia and Libby and was rewarded?

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite entry:

5. 29th and Gay (2005) .... Gorilla Man

WTF "Gorilla Man"?

xpost

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, hopefully he's on to bigger better things post-LOST.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Also in the "if smokemonster punishes those who kill?" tally, why are Kate and Sawyer still alive? She killed her bio-daddy! He killed not-Real-Sawyer shrimpy truck guy! There is something more to it. Maybe that Eko didn't regret his killing.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

Did Eko kill anyone on the island? I'm drawing a blank here.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, he killed two men trying to take him on the first night on the island. With a rock! I will miss him so much, no one on island is that hardcore they could kill some dudes with a rock.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

Oh but he apologized for killing those guys!

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

To "Gorilla Man" from 29th And Gay!

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

OMG HE DID!

SMOKEMONSTER DEMANDS REPENTANCE!!!!!

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

***SPOILER ALERT***

Matthew Perpetua = Dwight Schrute!!

^^^^

― BONERTIME! (ddb1), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

I hope the series has at least four or five more Eko monologues delivered all slow-and-deliberate via flashbacks or hallucinationz or dreamz.

I liked it when he did those.

Let me reiterate how lame a death that was for such a badass character.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Smoke monster sounds like large chains being run through pulleys as a huge anchor is pulled up, duh!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

OMG maybe the "incident" called the Black Rock forward in time and the nexus of universes created a rift in time space which manifested itself in real space-time as a black cloud!

― YEAH! (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

And it makes those noises to remind us NEVER FORGET 9/11/1432!

― TEH BLACK ROCK (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

SMOKEMONSTER DEMANDS REPENTANCE!!!!!

This scores high on the future-username index.

― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

EKO :((((((((((

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

i'm thinking Eyepatch d00d is controlling smokey. THAT FUCKER.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

i'm thinking Eyepatch d00d is controlling smokey.

i was just about to say the same. but can we please stick to calling eyepatch dude Momus? it's likely that Momus, operating separately to Benry and co. is in The Flame which is where 'Cerberus' was purported to be 'based' according to the Blast Door Map, no?

Smokey scanned Locke and deemed him to be good (not a killer), the scan for Eko came back as bad (a killer) but he gave him a chance to confess and beg forgiveness - but Eko defying this meant he had to go. maybe it's not all about killing i dunno. perhaps Smokey blamed the air pilot for killing the people who didn't survive the crash and took him out as a result - but this seems very stupid. perhaps the pilot was just a sport kill.

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

i enjoyed this episode much more than any so far this series (except first one maybe) just for the key action moments (Eko's killfest, Momus reveal, re-appearance of Smokey now with added 'actually doing stuff'). but the Jack/Juliet/Ben bluff triangle is equally compelling but on a less visceral/more cerebral level.

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Momus/eyepatch guy could be the glass-eye owner but am more into the idea of The Black Rock being HIS SHIP cos he is a pirate with that life-preservation shit keeping him going.

episode 9 - Jack Sparrow turns up and steals Desmond's boat back from Ben

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

would like to see Eko in London in the next Charlie flashback

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

If smokemonster punishes those who kill, how did Michael get off the Island alive?
Also in the "if smokemonster punishes those who kill?" tally, why are Kate and Sawyer still alive?

perhaps just because the smoke hasn't caught up with any of them yet...

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh, I hope there aren't going to be any more Charlie flashbacks. I liked Eko well enough, but for some reason I'm happy to see him go. His character would have been a distraction from future core-character action.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

can we please stick to calling eyepatch dude Momus?

I prefer "Island Momus."

would like to see Eko in London in the next Charlie flashback

obv!

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

I don't share the fixation with who killed who. Eko's killings were entirely provoked. Jeez! Was he just supposed to let those goons chop off his hands? And the island killing was fine too, in my book. Charlie shot Ethan Rom, remember? Smokie's not going all pachydermic on HIS ass.
Nikki and Paolo are clearly cannon fodder. I hope they hurry up with it.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

I agree, but we're not talking about YOUR book, we're talking about Smokemonster/Dharma/Others/ISLAND GODZ Book!!!!!!

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

eko's got major warlord style blood on his hands though, there was plenty of bad shit between his childhood and when he came to his brother's village. he was a drug-runner!

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

biggest killer on the island for sure - oh but we loved him for it

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

Lets get back to how fucking ridiculous it is that there was NOTHING along the lines of Sun, Jin, and Sayid being all OMG D00DZ WE TTTLY SHOT ONE OF THEM, OH FUK DESMND WE LOST YER BOAT, SORRY :(

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

also where did Desmond get his new clothes? French Chick Connection?

― banrique (blueski), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ya. Desmond not in Tye Dye Hurley shirt for rest of season = DUD.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

True. That was a good look.
And while we're on that way-back subject, it was dumb how freaked out Hurley was over seeing Desmond naked.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Can we please make sure to keep calling eyepatch guy "Island Momus"? That's a great nickname for him.

― dream torture (blood bitch), Friday, 3 November 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'll happily switch over to that from now until they reveal the character's name.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 3 November 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

Django, we're apparently getting a Charlie flashback shortly after the break. We're going to get one of those per season til the end, get used to it. At least he's not a two-flashback character like Jack or Locke!

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

Smokey's pretty random with who it manipulates or tries to kill. Can we safely assume that every hallucination so far is Smokey? Not counting dreams or steamlodge induced visions, obvs just things that people have seen on the island that shouldn't be there.

If that's true, then "Dave" very nearly drove Hurley to kill himself if Libby hadn't stepped in, and "Walt", if it's Smokey and not actually Walt in psychic mode, is also responsible for Shannon's death. It's also tried to kill Locke in season 1 if Kate and Jack hadn't blown it up with the dynamite. Otherwise, there are other people who has had hallucinations but not led to die - Kate's horse, Jack's dad, Charlie and saving baby through Jesus dreams.

oh and Island Momus is the first guy we've seen since Kelvin/Desmond in a Dharma tunic right? Anyone in Ben's camp been seen wearing Dharma clothes?

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think a good number of the hallucinations we've seen are just that, or narrative devices. I think "Dave" is most certainly the latter, and that the horse Kate sees in "What Kate Did" is just bad writing.

I think the safe thing to say is that the "visions" that John and Eko had were always the smoke monster, who was using them for his purposes --- bringing John and Boone to the plane and the hatch, getting Eko to the Pearl, making Eko convince John to stick with the button pushing, etc.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I was thinking Dave was most likely not Smokey either. Mostly I was thinking about Yemi's missing corpse and then Yemi materializing to Eko. Has echoes of Christian Shepard's missing corpse - it's possible Smokey wanted Jack for some purpose as well, but he didn't have the faith of someone like Locke or Eko.

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

It's also tried to kill Locke in season 1

see yeah I don't really get that Locke seems to think it's a friendly white light and yet it almost dragged him down into a hellhole

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't think the "beautiful white light" was in any way Locke talking about the smoke but rather his perception of the hatch implosion/ultraviolet light event.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

Something else I just thought about - if Ben really did find out he had cancer 2 days before the crash, could this be why Juliet seemed upset in the opening episode? Assuming she knew at the time, if she wanted Ben to die, shouldn't she be happy to find out he had cancer?

I think they're both playing Jack. If it's about free will AND being good, then it's about getting Jack into wanting to save Ben's life, not because he needs to but because it's the RIGHT thing to do, regardless of how bad Juliet claims Ben to be.

I kinda feel bad for Ben now - tortured, imprisoned AND knowing he had a terminal illness. Maybe it's why he chose to get caught - figured he was going to die anyway and took a chance.

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

It's not:

KILLER = BAD = BLACK SMOKE
NON-KILLER = GOOD = WHITE LIGHT

(xpost)

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

Roz is def. on to something wrt Juliet crying in s03e01.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

Let me reiterate how lame a death that was for such a badass character.

eko wasn't really used very well this season. or since he became the mystical advocator of button-pushing.

also, i was hoping we could forego the typical ILE nerd-obsession with momus and call eyepatch dude "island moshe dayan."

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think it'd be a cool twist if we found out that Juliet is really the "evil" manipulative one. I also def. think the "I found out I had cancer then YOU CAME" thing was just bullshitting. Also, did anyone else think it was weird that Juliet said "I'm sorry I brought you here"?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

wot roz said about ben/juliet in ep1.

"did Smoky kill the plane pilot in the very first episode?"

when i saw how high it lifted eko i totally flashed back to the pilot dead up in the trees.

so 1 more ep before the long break - they have to have a killer cliffhanger lined up. right?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 3 November 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

Tonry vs Benry
http://i11.tinypic.com/48zkqjt.jpg http://i11.tinypic.com/2zdzz3a.jpg

― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

Sad to lose Mr Eko :(

Paulo and thingy are still crap.

Hurley underused!

I for one welcome our Island Momus Overlord!

Benry and Juliet and taking turns to fuck with Jack while Jack is playing them against each other a la Benry in the hatch. I think Jack will agree to do the operation, planning to kill Benry as Juliet wants, but will decide to save Benry because of "first harm no-one" - which exactly what Juliet and Benry planned all along! Then Juliet will realise she actually *did* want Benry dead - she'll help Jack and SawKate escape and then shack up with the Losties. Which is exactly what Benry planned all along!

― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

Did we ever discuss who Jack's sister might be? On the Ana-Lucia/Christian Shepherd flashback Christian was shouting at someone at a house in Australia and I'm sure he said "... but she's my daughter!"

Could it be Claire? Making Jack a boiybay's uncle!

― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

what's the deal with Ben asking Jack "didn't you notice how much Juliet looks like your ex wife?"

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

He's got a blank tape to fill in his surveillance studio.

― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

Tonry vs Benry

The rolled up white sleeves. Top two buttons undone. The receding hairline. The fake smiles. The menko pale eyes. Both famously claim to be a "good guy" despite mounting evidence to the contrary! Both enemies of Sayid!

But is there a GWB in the background pulling Benry's strings...?

― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Friday, 3 November 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

what's the deal with Ben asking Jack "didn't you notice how much Juliet looks like your ex wife?"

It means that he specifically selected Juliet to interact with Jack because they could possibly capitalize on that resemblance in order to win Jack's sympathy and cooperation.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

what a lucky coincidence Ben and Jack share same taste in women - more proof God exists clearly.

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if/how Jack and Claire/Aaron find out they are bro & sis? Maybe she's like "moy dayddy's nime was Christian".

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm, not sure if Ben actually was romantically involved with Juliet. I'm doubting that's the nature of their relationship and apparent estrangement.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, would it be somehow less lame if he was trying to imply that Juliet was a clone or something? C'mon.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

"APPARENTLY MOY DAD ALSO DRAYNK A LOT" (xpost)

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

i'm starting to doubt Benry/Juliet romanc0r now.
but, them finding out 2 days before Lostieplane crashed that Benry has spinal tumour may explain why she was so upset at beginning of Ep.1

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I am convinced at this point that if Ben is romantic with anyone it's Tom.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, Tom is deffo teh_ghey

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Benry must have gotten caught in Rousseau's net while he was combing the jungle for curative herbs.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

though the first thing i asked teh_kat after the end of this week's episode was "omg, if there are two factions, where does NotBeardy's allegiance lie?"
i'd really like him to be against Benry. though i guess it depends which side has the hottest bois.

i'm thinking that Benry wants to leave the island, but if he does, his tumour will kick in proper and kill him, on the island, the tumour isn't life threatening. hence his "yes, why wouldn't i leave?" line from the other week. if jack fixes him, he can go to the real world, and take jack with him.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 3 November 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Wtf they killed Eko! THOSE RACISTS! Henry looks like he has AIDS tbh.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

if Ben has lived on the magical healing island all his life how did he get the tumor in the first place?

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

either a) BEN IS A LIAR
or b) something else i haven't thought of

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

Ben clearly takes it up the 'hatch' from the fat man with the fake beard.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

hatch door swings both ways

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just pissed that they killed Eko. And who are these new people we're supposed to care about? I call them 'crap Sawyer' and 'crap Shannon'. I loved the voice over at the plane;
Crap Sawyer: "What's Eko looking for
Crap Shannon "His brother's body's in that plane."

Nice editing guys!

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't they promise more sex this season? WO EST?

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

crap boone and crap shannon more like.

if Ben has lived on the magical healing island all his life

maybe only the lostie island magically cures things. maybe other-island makes you moody, manipulative and tumorous.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I heard Crap Sawyer and Crap Shannon were supposed to get caught having sex in Jack's tent but it was cut for some reason. Just as well really.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

i'm hoping the names Crap Sawyer and Crap Shannon stick.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

That scene was deleted. Apparently way down the line when s3 (the whole dealie) is done (May/June-ish) they are going to air the whole season again from the beginning with EXTENDED EPISODES, ie deleted scenes put back in. I'm wondering if there was a Sun/Jin/Sayid come home scene that was cut out of this ep that we'll eventually get to see.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

that would make sense (that such a scene does exist i mean, not the stupid holding it all off until the DVD or series is over)

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't Juliet involved with Ethan? He was fixing her plumbing, if you know what I mean.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Ethan was Canadian and therefore EVIL.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

remember there was a guy flirting with Juliet a few episodes ago just before Swayer kissed Kate and tried to revolt (see upthread)

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

also ethan definitely tried to kill driveshafthobbit and that other guy (it's implied). so the others surely HAVE killed. yeah?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

yes, Ethan and Goodwin (first two assigned to crash situation by Ben) have killed.

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

But does Ben even know how it went down? And why have they never tried to reclaim Goodwin's and Ethan's bodies if they value their members so much (Colleen got a nice ceremony)?

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Fun fact: Bernard is now the only Tail survivor alive and not captive (assuming the two kids are)

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

And did Jack even register that Juliet was doing the sign thing in a nice looking living room/proper house set-up?

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Well, if the cue card shit was true, BEN IS A LIAR, so the whole 'good guys' thing was probably brainwashing pap from the start. Seems he's a proper cunt, and knows it.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

and yeah too bad Desmond didn't foresee Eko's demise

― banrique (blueski), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

no one has mentioned SOLARIS? hello?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen Solaris!

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

well the whole yemmi/eko thing is straight out of solaris

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I still can't get over how nonchalant Locke was about Eko running off into the forest. The guy was practically dying from the bear wounds and then disappeared. Instead of running after him, John seems giddy and calls a group meeting. When they find him, do they just figure he's all better? Locke and Eko start moving boulders together. It was just weird.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Fun fact: Bernard is now the only Tail survivor alive and not captive (assuming the two kids are)

Which means he's due for a brush with the law 'round these parts. I'm making it my mission to get into a barfight with him so his real-life ass gets arrested and his TV ass gets smokemonstered/shot.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah you bum him up good!

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Bernard is now the only Tail survivor alive and not captive (assuming the two kids are)

i wonder what happened to cindy, too. she's a great actress we saw for all of 10 seconds.

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Cindy? I'm starting to feel Lost in all the characters and plot twists. I've been watching all the episodes, but I need a cliff's notes.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

Cindy the air hostess. She disappeared as the Tailies were making their way to the Losties' beach, right before Ana-Lucia shot Shannon.

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

it's kinda unclear to me whether the barefoot "tiptoe through the jungle" people (who def. have the kids, with the teddy bear) are a different group of Others or someone else altogether

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

EXCUSE ME, WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT DISCUSSING THE JULIET LINE "I'M SORRY I BROUGHT YOU HERE."?????

If she means a) that she arranged their capture, that makes it her idea to manipulate Michael, NOT Benry's, and also she may have (at some point, anwyay) really been interested in saving Ben (if they really did want Jack for spinal surgery magicks which I kind of doubt because they def. have outside-world communication so why not just get someone that way?). Anyway yeah on that assumption Michael manipulation was definitely her idea. She could also mean b) bringing them to the island altogether--if that is the case is she MAGIC? MAGNETIC?? THE SMOKE MONSTER???

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

it's kinda unclear to me whether the barefoot "tiptoe through the jungle" people (who def. have the kids, with the teddy bear) are a different group of Others or someone else altogether

I really like this vague-ness. I hope a revelation much bigger than kate finding the fake beard/ spirit gum is coming on this.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

one thing's for certain, for a tiny island there's a lotta fuckin' people on it

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Cindy is one of the only non-cast-member characters who was in the pilot! (She is the one who chased Charlie across the plane!)

Communication with outside world =/= spinal surgery from outside world.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

I hope eventually after the next run of killings they acquire some more kid characters back into the fold, they don't even have to have wicked awesome special powers like Walt, I just miss mystery island from kid's perspective (see also: Walt's conversation w/ Sawyer in All The Best Cowboys... ep [s1e10]).

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

one thing's for certain, for a tiny island there's a lotta fuckin' people on it

island is no that tiny. unknown and thought to be uninhabited for most of s01, but not tiny if it takes three days to hike accross.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

(semantics)

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

it's kinda unclear to me whether the barefoot "tiptoe through the jungle" people (who def. have the kids, with the teddy bear) are a different group of Others or someone else altogether

I'd be interested to read theories as to why they'd dress in rags (or wear not much at all). quieter? blend with the environment? or are they other-others, "savages" (to a smartly-dressed Benry) who've been there longer than anyone else?

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

well, we know that the others put on rags and shit when they go raiding, right? recall the fake seaside camp they had by old four toes at the end of last season. that was all bullshit. i think it's part of their schtick to get derelicte when they're out fucking people up.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

but yeah -- I'm sorta hoping there's a third faction.

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

More evidence that they are other Others: Eko's* line about how "they don't leave a trail".

What if the Goodwin/Ben Others took the kids because they were afraid of the other Others getting them first? Like, what if the initial people raid was by the other Others, and then Goodwin was like "yo you guys gotta get these kids out of here, they might get snatched by the jungle crazies"?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, I don't remember, were the kids taken the second night or the first night?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

also: Rousseau seemed to know that Ben was one of THEM, but did she think he was Pleasant Valley Other or Feral Other?

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

until recently I thought it was all one group, but it doesn't seem like Ben's people have any special jungle powarz (except secret submarine)

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

when they showed up at s02 finale with the whispers and the darts, that was the first time i thought they had anything special going on in the jungle-walking department

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know what yr guys' settings are like, but I've got it showing only the 200 most recent posts, and all I see right now are posts on 3.05, and other forums seem to have a similar volume-per-day-since-airing, which I guess translates into: this is at the very least the most conversation-generating episode so far this season.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

well, yeah, EKO DIED

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

There's no third faction. It would have been alluded to already and key players set up. Introducing them late will seem cheap and contrived.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

this is television

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

Introducing them late will seem cheap and contrived.

haha I would say OTM if you were talking about Nikki/Paulo

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

Roz said way upthread:

Anyone in Ben's camp been seen wearing Dharma clothes?

The white doctor's jacket Juliet was wearing when she and Jack tried to save what's-her-name's life had the Dharma-patch on it.

But on this oncoming hiatus: uhm... WHY? Why would they want to lose momentum, why break off a freshly started season for months? I just don't understand it. Is there a 21st century television logic to it? What is there to gain for the makers of the show? Time? I'm, yeah, *lost*. Same thing happening now with The Sopranos, and it pisses me off srsly. Anyone want to shine a light on this?

― Gerard (Gerard), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

They had mentioned wanting to do the season straight thru a la 24, but didn't want to make the fans wait until Feb (almost an entire year since s2 finale), so they gave us a 6-ep mini-series, are taking a break (during which time they are NOT showing reruns - good move I say), and then will show the rest of the season (17 eps, quite a good run) during sweeps, straight through.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, basically, they are trying their damndest to make their fans happy.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I did forget that they (Ben's people) brought the whispers in the S2 finale ... that was one of the jungle powers I was thinking of. maybe "they don't leave tracks" because they get around the island on boats and subs ....

maybe the kids are off somewhere with Mrs. Klugh ....

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.islostarepeat.com/

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

I am sad that Eko died, although I echo (see? see?) Scott's sentiments way up above. I couldn't give a crap about christian redemption, and all that seeing people in the forest thing just screams cheap dream sequence to me, which is the the lousiest, laziest filler trick a television series can reach for to fill up its allotted hour.

That said, I quite liked Eko's back story, and liked even more the fact that it was all tied up by the end, unlike anyone else's.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if eyepatch guy has a posse

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

I am truly blown away that this thread made it to 1200 posts without anyone mentioning the fact that Elizabeth Mitchell/Juliet starred as the photographer who has the often-naked lesbian affair with Angelina Jolie in 'Gia.' (I am deeply ashamed, yes, but surely some of you are off to Google?)

Also, pretty sure 'Island Momus,' aka 'Nightclub Dwight', is played by the mega-creepy guy from the 'Wishmaster' movies, who is one of the better character actor bad guys in b-moviedom.

And RIP EKO.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.elizabethmitchellcentral.com

― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 4 November 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

re: solaris in the eko/yemi thing... yeah, i can kind of see that. plus KELVIN in the hatch. KELVIN!

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 4 November 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

at least someone is with me on this one

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 4 November 2006 02:41 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, are you saying the eyepatch guy is Kelvin? I'm SURE that dude is the Wishmaster, not Brother Justin of Carnivale!

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 4 November 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

We reckon island Momus looks like the commander of the military school Francis used to go to in Malcolm in the Middle. The whole of Lost is an elaborate Malcolm in the Middle tie-in.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 4 November 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, are you saying the eyepatch guy is Kelvin?

no, no, there was a character named kelvin in solaris. that is all.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 4 November 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

U&K: "Communication with outside world =/= spinal surgery from outside world"

podcast intimates we will have flashbacks showing what paulo/nikki were up to during major events we've seen on the island. cool.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 4 November 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

One thing I have been thinking about regarding the smoke monster comes from Genesis 3:23-24

So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

So do with that what you will.

― cws (cws), Saturday, 4 November 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

flashbacks showing what paulo/nikki were up to

i hope the flashbacks consist of them narrating events in other peoples' lives in a tacked-on, poorly-dubbed fashion.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 4 November 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

WHERE'S THERE'S FIRE THERE'S SMOKE DONTCHAKNOW

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― cws (cws), Saturday, 4 November 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

flashbacks showing what paulo/nikki were up to during major events we've seen on the island

when the monster ate the pilot they were having sex in Jack's tent
remember when Ana Lucia shot Shannon? they were having sex in Jack's tent
oh man, that night the hatch blew up ... that sex was crazy

― dmr (Renard), Saturday, 4 November 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone even care about crap Sawyer and crap Shannon? They can't even act.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Saturday, 4 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

shannon is dead

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

do keep up
"crap shannon" is not shannon

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

nikki = crap shannon

paulo = crap sawyer/crap boone

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― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

this thread has turned into a lot of bad jokes

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

it's gotten too hard to srsly discuss what's going on since assumption #1 is like "okay, IF they're really on an island ..."

whether Ben has a tumor or not is like, assumption #15

― dmr (Renard), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think they went a little overboard with the concept of "introducing doubt" / "things are not what they seem"

― dmr (Renard), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, when we start to question conversations that juliet and ben are having in private, that's a problem. they have no expectation anyone is listening, and the only one's they'd be lying to would be us, so wtf?

― jergins (jergins), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

That's the secret of the island. Benry knows we're all watching and he's playing us as much as he's playing the Losties.

Take that, third wall!

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

i like the theory that they're really IN SPACE on a giant inside-out planetospheroship and the hatches and magnetic effects are due to the fact that the island is right by one of the "ports" leading to the OUTSIDE.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

great episode...the robes were kind of weird, pickett's thick face makes me want him to die painfully and slowly. I hate him.

At this stage I have no idea what is going on, sometimes it amazes me how confidently people can speculate about this show. Whoever the random person mocking this in all caps in the middle was is OTM.

or in other words any chance perpetua could ease off on the smug certainty? perhaps smoke monster takes umbrage to ridiculously confident corrections of peoples random speculation about things that might happen in future episodes of A TV SHOW...seriously I've never seen such self importance about SPECULATION in my life....I was wondering why the Lost threads had been so much fun. what a pompous fool!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

perpetua has always stained these threads--first with ignorance, then with pompous fluxbog-arrogance

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a fan of the episodes with on-island flashbacks ('the other 48 days', and was there another?), and I actually think there are some excellent possibilities in the Paolo/Nikki episode. I love the idea that we might get to see events from a different perspective: violence and black smoke in the woods, hidden behind a tree? seeing the hatch implode? Thirty long seconds of *that sound* when the sky turns purple?

I want to think they've run off and found something no one else knows about (another hatch? the radio tower? something we can't conceive of?). And I'd like to imagine that their (lack of) acting inability is for a reason. Infiltrators? Or maybe they were geniuses before the crash who turned retarded via the island's power.

And also maybe they'll die at the end of their episode. That'd be exciting.

― jergins (jergins), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

cutty?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Nikki and Paolo have flashbacks of Libby while she was on the island - maybe we'll see a side of her the rest hasn't.

― Roz (Roz), Sunday, 5 November 2006 03:35 (nineteen years ago)

pickett's thick face makes me want him to die painfully and slowly. I hate him.

OTM. he looks like mike barnicle or chris matthews.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:57 (nineteen years ago)

could island momus be the "him" that Kelvin referred to? maybe not...just a hunch.

also am I conjuring this up or did Rousseau have an eyepatch at some stage?

I like the way they've resurrected the potential for "others" to be inbred savages...

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 5 November 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

could the dude on the right be eyepatch man? I like the idea that he is operating the smoke monster I have to say...

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/b/bb/Mural3.jpg

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 5 November 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

i don't mind perps on Lost. i should try not to post five times in a row tho.

― banrique (blueski), Sunday, 5 November 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ha this is too funny: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/List_of_nicknames#By_Sawyer

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 5 November 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

By Creators

Characters

* Ana Lucia: Bananna Lucia
* Tom: Mr. Friendly

Um, aren't all Sawyer's efforts by the creators?

― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Sunday, 5 November 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

John Locke...Gimpy McCrutch

haha.....

I loved "Costanza" in the last one...

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 5 November 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Gimpy McCrutch made me laugh out loud for real. Costanza was funny too.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 5 November 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

maybe they were trying to coax him into teleporting by putting him in a tank & filling it up?

great theory! he was probably in jack's room!

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

did anyone ever believe the "good guys" shit?

have "good guys" ever in the history of the world tortured innocent peeps?

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:47 (nineteen years ago)

i'm guessing they judge goodness by what they did before they reached the island.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:54 (nineteen years ago)

Man, Sawyer is one racist dude.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 6 November 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

"you think Sayid needs a job?"

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 6 November 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

at least he didn't just assume that Michael liked Bob Marley tho

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Monday, 6 November 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

RIP Eko :(

http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/110306/work-reflects-tv-and-tv-reflects-work.gif

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

sadface is hueg

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, what am I saying? There's no way he's going to rest in peace, that corpse will be up and at em in no time, apparitioning all over the damn place.

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
I wanted Eko to pwn some Others with his Jesus stick. Like when he gave THREE losties a pasting. That pwned!

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to see an episode where Hurley gets stripped and greased up by the other Losties and then they beat him round the perimeter of the island. Mmm.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

i hope there's not too much Ben Kenobi style crap between him and Locke (or Charlie)

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Nah the 'token dead black guy' role is currently being filled by that priest bloke so he'll have to re-apply in 6 months.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

I saw Elizabeth Mitchell in an episode of House the other day and was like 'yeah, too right you haven't been a nun all your life, you were on TEH ISLAND during those missing years! Oh apart from the times when you were in Boston trying to kill James Spader - TEH ISLAND must have sent you mad and homicidal, then you found god later, right?'

I have no distance any more :(

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the Curb episode with Hurley as a weed dealer the other day, and my first thought was "Hey, I wonder if Locke grew that shit".
I feel your pain.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot Elizabeth Mitchell was that crazycakes stalker lady that tried to kill James Spader!

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― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

I like the ads on Sky. "Lost, Season three, Found on Sky One". Plus they actually cut the ads to make it look exciting.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I keep seeing Santa Clause 3 posters with her face on them and it makes me kind of depressed. Also: is LOST island in enclosed dome at NORTH POEL!?!? Alvar Hanso = Santy Clause!?!?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Is smokeymonster making a list & checking it twice!?!?

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

yeah! I mean, how can I trust anyone who wants to kill James Spader??

(Although I can't quite buy Benry either. I mean, if he wanted to make Jack 'want' to save him, why not just be nice to him as soon as he drops out of the sky? Jack's a fucking doctor, AND he has a big ethical stick up his bum - why WOULDN'T he perform lifesaving surgery?)

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

what are the ethics on performing surgery who is holding you captive, has possibly killed or tortured your friends and may or may not be evil?

(i don't think he's really EVIL, just not exactly moral. raised by research psychologists or something.)

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Jack's a fucking doctor, AND he has a big ethical stick up his bum - why WOULDN'T he perform lifesaving surgery?

they're so keen to maintain their secrecy to the outside world i guess (assuming nobody knows they're there that would care)...so couldn't just be all 'welcome, new neighbours!' let alone contacting rescue party.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah. But there's been a hell of a lot of needlessly elaborate hostility.

Jack's clearly already ok with emergency surgery on random Others though.

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

AND WE HAVE LEARED FROM HIS FLASHBACKS THAT HE NEEDS SOMETHING TO FIX!!!

― researching ur life (grady), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

then he should laser off those tattoos.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

But it's probably all just a test, to see if he'll kill benry when he has the chance. First they'll show him some video of Kate and Sawyer being tortured and then fucking, to drive him suitably mad with outrage AND jealousy.

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

It might be a good time for Jack to break with his Hippocratic oath (and old fermenting dad pressures, etc), though, and change everything, stop trying to fix, etc.

For some reason I believe Henjamin about the spinal prob, though.

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

Podcast points out that going by flashbacks, Jack is not a good surgeon.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

What about Sarah?

However, everyone on the island that he's operated on - the marshal, Boone, Other shot by Sun - died.

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

With Sarah he thought he'd failed and didn't really know how he succeeded. Seemed to be a freak event or a miracle, depending on your religious bent.

There was the "count to five" success that he told Kate about.

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I wouldn't trust Jack to open a can of beans.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

Given Jack's track record, the only way Benry isn't going to die on the table is if Jack actively tries to kill him. Maybe Sarah just really wants Benry to make it. She's pulling for her creepy little Aikenite!

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

And we all know Sarah's miracle operation was only a success because Desmond said to Jack "what if you DID fix her?".

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

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― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

cant wait

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

yeah this one's gonna be good

― jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

fuck sex i want mystery

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

hot kate/sawyer cage sex coming up!!!
i'm sure Mr Hobbit'll be over the moon to hear that!

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

It'll get him back on the skag.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Current podcast is...very interesting.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Jack was chosen for the island BECAUSE of his poor surgical skills.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

does not compute (xpost)

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Jack IS the best spinal surgeon in THE WORLD. but it's not interesting to focus on his numerous unseen successes, only his occasional failures. that's my take anyway.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

i think he's a fucking chancer.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

How many planes do you think they shot down before they got one with a spinal surgeon on board?

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Two spinal surgeons, one for each island! Okay, one was dead, but still...

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

what happened with the Italian woman's Dad again - did Jack fix him?

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Nope, he died, then Jack made out with his daughter, then he confessed what he did to Sarah, who told him she was leaving him.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Show's how dumb he is. Never confess!

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Lostpedia says Gabriela (Italian bloke's daughter) knew stuff about Jack that she couldn't have found in medical journals.

OMG SHE IS AN OTHER ~~RED HERRING~~

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I wanted Eko to pwn some Others with his Jesus stick.

Who will inherit the Jesus stick? I know! Jack can use it as a surgical instrument!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

"I am now bludgeoning the liver."

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

OK I believe the Jack anti-hype now. Not fit to lick his Dad's scalpel.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Christian said Jack was a better surgeon than him, though he was a fucking jakey pisshead so that ain't exactly hard

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Christian was actually talking to a mailbox.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

lolol

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

OMG I hate how easy it is to picture Jack banging on chests w/ Jesus stick while beeeeeeeeeee flatline sound plays. "I NEED A HAM SANDWICH!" THUD THUD.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I have Last Lost Lust.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

The TWOP forum is kind of stupid, but I like the recaps:

Now we get this preposterous scene where Locke wanders among the denizens of Lostaway Beach, explaining what exactly it is they're setting out to do and extending an invitation for anyone who wants to come along. Hurley acts all surprised by this. "If you'd like to join us, it's a free island," says Locke. Hurley, who I think has gone on his fair share of adventures and was even bitched out by Arzt about being in the adventurer's clique, says Jack would usually do things on his own or take Sayid or Kate. "Yeah, well, I'm not Jack," says Locke, who I seem to recall keeping the hatch a secret, conking Sayid on the head to prevent him from figuring out where Rousseau's transmission was coming from, and lying to everyone about what happened to Boone to keep the plane a secret, so whatever, John "Open Book" Locke.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

too cynical, even for ILX!

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Dude's right, though!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, kind of. I can only maybe attribute it to "changed Locke", ie the whole hatch implosion has maybe helped him see the error of his secrecy-lovin' ways, but it seems more likely just sloppy writing (which I obviously am not all that bothered by, as a L O S T fan).

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

btw I really really like spelling the show's name with spaces now thanks to this thread, it makes it look more like the opening title

― N I C K (nickalicious), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Jack may be a better surgeon, but his dad's Christmas Crooning album sold millions

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

only just got round to e05. the benry/juliet/jack stuff was some of the best lost this series, and the funeral was especially great.

but ALL of the rest of it was TERRIBLE. the noobs are just beyond parody for starters but locke was totally out of character... eko too really. why have these noobs when old noobs (rose and bernard) haven't even been in this series? flashback characters at that.

benry explaining to jack that he was trying to break him and doesn't juliet look like your wife: all part of the wider deception? i trust benry before juliet but then benry could have devised (with juliet) the whole video trick. he's the kind of guy who'd notice her porting a tape around. and what did she do with the cards?

re: contact with world != spinal surgeons from the world. they have *two-way* contact with world, so much so they have a picture of jack's ex-wife. and they get resupply planes. (but not with the defibrillator thingies hmmmmmm?)

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

locke is not a noob. of course he was out of character a bit - his entire belief system imploded with the hatch so he's just operating at basic level at the moment - his sense of adventure is intact, he's still fascinated by the island and he's clinging on to the things that made him who he was before the hatch. maybe.

the problem with Eko was why do the whole 'saved by polar bear' thing only to get killed by smokey two episodes later. what did the polar bear abduction and Locke's rescue really tell us? we didn't get to see Eko kick any more Others ass which is a real shame.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

also i am going against the grain and willing to cut Paolo and Nikki a lot of slack. Nikki is way more likeable than Shannon and Paolo is probably a robot anyway (thus awesome). i'm sure they will be sacrifices the island/Others/Momus demands but still i excuse their presence in the meantime.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

benry could have devised (with juliet) the whole video trick.

of course - i think at some point we'll see the rest of the video, where it pulls back and we see benry, juliet and cohaagen smoking cigars and laughing.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

one thing we UKers missed out on, which i was hearing on the podcast the other day, was that abc were trailing ep5 with "SOMEONE WILL DIE IN LOST NEXT WEDNESDAY MWAHAHA" so the writers were feeling v pleased with themselves writing in the newbies as going on the adventure with Locke only to be sacrificed Artzt style - or so the viewers would thing.

however wouldn't viewers think a) they did that already (i.e. Artzt), b) what a RIP trailing the death of a minor character - they didnae do that with Artzt not neither.

i also want to give the newbies slack - and not just for the promised flashbacks that include them

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

if they're infiltrators or i dunno if the US military put them up to this or if they're friends of penny sent from the future then okay.

but their dialogue was atrocious. every line!

the mission to the pearl was rushed maybe, the rhythm was off. and i'm a bit bored with people going back to the plane for more revelations!

i am a bit upset about eko dying too, though.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

(more podcast stuff) he originally was signed up for as long as banana lucia but they didn't want them to go at the same time, so got him to hang on for series 3 and did his stuff early on. or something

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

i am assuming that abc have not trailed a major death for tonight (from absence of reference to same).

maybe the return of air hostess will be a big reveal?

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

the reveal of island Momus is probably my favourite 'jump' bit of the series so far. even if we don't see him again until episode 15 or whatevs.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

I want a Smokey info reveal. Failing that, a reveal on wtf the Others have done with the 15-20 Tailies they took.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

he won't be back until the season after the zombie season. eyepatch season, it'll be, with everyone decked out.

xp: we're supposed to find out about the tailies, or at least the kids, shortly after the start of the second demiseason. according to the podcast.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

also i am going against the grain and willing to cut Paolo and Nikki a lot of slack.

Yeah, when they introduce an irritating character (cf. Ana Lucia) it's usually been because they're supposed to be irritating. I mean. I think the writers are quite clever to realize that viewers like bitching about lame characters (Shannon, Ana Lucia) as much as they do rocking the good ones (Jin, Sawyer, etc.)

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

ana lucia wasn't lame. she was pissy and hard to like but a good enough character.

i hope there's more to the new noobs but we've already had the 'we were left out of all the fun' line twice and after five eps there needs to be something more substantial.

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Why aren't Sawyer's and Kate's cages covered in shit?

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

btw I really really like spelling the show's name with spaces now thanks to this thread, it makes it look more like the opening title

Heh. Does anyone else, when the word L O S T comes hovering toward you, whisper it in a high-pitched ghostly voice?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

seeing who can do the best impression of the 'theme music' is a fun game.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Heh. Does anyone else, when the word L O S T comes hovering toward you, whisper it in a high-pitched ghostly voice?

Yes, and I fan my hand in front of the TV in a spooky-type gesture.

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

And switch the lights on and off.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

I liked Ana!

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I did too.

btw I really really like spelling the show's name with spaces now

I feel a small swell of pride that my typographical meme caught on

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, not "lame" but "deliberately hard to like" was what I meant. So if the newbies are annoying, there's a good chance they're meant to be annoying, I'm guessing. Or that might be generous.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Nikki and Paolo are porn-stars!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I think they're supposed to be comic relief, but it's pretty feeble

― dmr (Renard), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

The thing that bothers me the most about Nikki is when she points out the thing about the monitors (DUH) and Locke is like "WOW I FEEL DUMB."

LOCKE IS NEVER DUMB.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

God I mean are we seriously supposed to believe Sayid and Locke of all people wouldn't figure out that durrr the monitors might look at different hatches (which Locke actually already KNEW from ?).

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Locke only knew for sure it monitored the Swan, and he was all worked-up hist last trip down there. Then, he & Sayid were (apparently) trying to get an outgoing signal (only looking to communicate w/ Others, so that scenario wasn't entirely implausible, but it did seem a little hack-ish.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Like, I don't think it's so much implying that they didn't notice because they're retards, but more because they were focused on something altogether different.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, fellow L O S T fans. I've only recently caught up with the shows and am finally able to watch as they are aired. I read this thread in entirety last Saturday (it was sort of a L O S T weekend -- heh).

So:

Maybe Nikki and Paolo are porn-stars!

OTM! They are totally porn-stars, what with all the getting it on in Jack's tent, etc. That explains the terrible acting and voice-overs, too.

― lxy (lxy), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

...am finally able to watch as they are aired

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but tonight's is the last new ep until Feb 7, 2007.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

do we even know if nikki and paulo knew eachother before flight 815?

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but tonight's is the last new ep until Feb 7, 2007.

Yeah, silly timing, huh? Still, it's better than waiting till Season 3 comes out on DVD, which is what I did for Season 2.

― lxy (lxy), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Who gets flashbacks tonight?

The info screen for tonight is interesting, more helpful than the last "next week on L O S T" teaser.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting article on AAA's departure from the show, including his own theories about the smoke monster.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

As for tonight's flashback, I am hoping it will be Ben, but I have a feeling it will be Kate.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

I liked that Eko article. He's pretty OTM re: smokemonster.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think I read it is Kate, jaymc. With hot Nathan Fillion action!

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

mmmmm hot guy island never fails me.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

I would be so happy if Island Momus turned out to be Nathan Fillion.

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

I woul be so happy if Island Momus turned out to be Momus.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

I would love it if he actually WAS Mal somehow, even though Mal & Sawyer are almost the same character.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

One day Momus is going to come on this thread asking why we're all talking about him.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

If you can believe it.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

why are you talking about me?

― Momus. (skowly), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

as if summoned by some mysterious island force!

maybe nathan's character will be a mal/sawyer-like exflame, explaining HOT CAGE SEX.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Who is Nathan Fillion? Or Mal, for that matter?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

not an ilxor, don't worry about it. :D

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

Har har.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

zing zang

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

ohhh jaymc it is meant in luv.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

Firefly / Serenity

Nathan Fillion .... Capt. Malcolm 'Mal' Reynolds

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

i watched Wild Palms this weekend and was surprised to find Dr. Marvin Candle in it. somehow the orientation video was that realistic to me. i am now laughing at myself.

also, jaymc, watch Slither for Fillion goodness, among other things

― lemin (lemin), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone else, when the word L O S T comes hovering toward you, whisper it in a high-pitched ghostly voice?

I always do the 'Previously on L O S T' voice, all deep and scary. I'm tough!

― jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'M ON UR ISLAND
BEIN ALL SEXXY

http://www.nathanfillion.co.uk/gallery/TV/firefly04.jpg

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Re: the Eko article -- What is it that causes him to suddenly lose his 'faith' this season? Did something happen or is it just bad writing?

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Firefly / Serenity

You people watch too much TV. :-D

This Fillion chap looks like Kate's old flame (Tom).

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Tombot?

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Chuck, I don't think that Eko lost faith, I think AAA is implying that the smokemonster needed another angle to get at him, namely his guilt at having posed as a priest.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, he kind of looks like TOMBOT, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Tom Brennan:

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/9/9c/Tom.jpg/250px-Tom.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, duh, that's Mackenzie Astin.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey. Finally caught up. And, you know what, I have *nothing* else to add that hasn't been said already. You lot are too good :-/

(except that we finally found out WHY Eko was building his church, but that's not really worth mentioning. Or IS IT?)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, too much cognitive dissonance w/Makenzie Astin. I still recall his jealous over George Clooney scoring a date w/Stacey Q.

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, he's Mackenzie Astin PLAYING Tom Brennan. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

Jessie: I LUV U TOO.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

I always do the 'Previously on L O S T' voice, all deep and scary. I'm tough!

OTM, I do this as well. I sometimes find myself saying this during the day too, to myself. Not so tough, but kinda telling...

― Gerard (Gerard), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

I've being doing that for 24 since it started as well. Doesn't everyone?

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I just really fully grasped this but THREE MONTHS. We're probably going to need to start another thread for season 3.2.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, the 'prviously, on 24' Kiefer-spoken phrase doesn't really catch on. He sounds so whimpy. But then again, I stopped watching 24 after the first season. Did they get Palmer to say it properly nowadays?

― Gerard (Gerard), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, still Kiefer. Not v likely to be Palmer, is it?

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of hate how every other show has a "previously on..." now, even if it is a serial, just let us figure it out for ourselves pls and dedicate that much screen time to real show?

In fact, I think there were a few s1 episodes that had no "previously on L O S T", they should re-implement that policy, confused-newbs-be-damned.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

we're probably going to need to start another thread for season 3.2.

not a bad idea.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, the 'prviously, on 24' Kiefer-spoken phrase doesn't really catch on.

It did in my house :-/

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Not v likely to be Palmer, is it?

Why, he's out? As I said, I stopped watching 24 after the first season.

― Gerard (Gerard), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

SPOILER ALERT

He's DEAD

END SPOILER

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

(Oh, I put lots of linebreaks in that that seem to have vanished. Fuck it, everyone's watched it who cares, I reckon)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

OH NOES

Heh, thanks though. On second thought, seeing as I can still clearly hear 24's 'prvsly' in my BRANE, maybe it did catch on. Oh noes srsly.

― Gerard (Gerard), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

I do like the timing of this three months off: holidays and general busy-ness, at least through the new year. (i will be in europe though when it picks up again, so i'll be torrenting and catching up like ronan and ailsa, etc.)

― jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm wondering if it won't be too far behind in the UK since Sky One are starting in January, so if they run straight through they'll only be a teensy bit behind (they're going one week behind the US with 24 now as well as they have TEH FEAR of torr3ntXors)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

any one ever notice "PREVIOUSLY ON L O S T" is jack's dad?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, really? I always thought it was either Jack himself or the show creator dude whatshisname.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

From Lostpedia, re. "Previously on Lost":

This voiceover is spoken by none other than ABC's former chairman, Lloyd Braun. The sample is slowed down slightly, to deepen the tone, and bring a more dramatic effect.

― lxy (lxy), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

ahhhhh

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

Sky One are starting Lost in the UK next week, aren't they?

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

dude does sound a lot like Jack's dad though

― jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't lloyd braun a character on seinfeld?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

i didnt realize it was benry narrating the s02 recap until like the last five minutes.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

Sky One are starting Lost in the UK next week, aren't they?

Oh, are they? Perhaps I am confusing with 24.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't lloyd braun a character on seinfeld?

http://www.kylewells.com/jerryhello/jpegs/71.jpg

Estelle Costanza's recurring screaming to George "WHY CAN'T YOU BE MORE LIKE LLOYD BRAUN" was one of George's (many) stressfactors.

Never knew it was a real person though (and weird, since Seinfeld was on NBC)

― Gerard (Gerard), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

(Steve is right and I am wrong. Oh well. Wonder how far behind they'll be with part 2)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I should get with teh Googling more effectively. "Days" behind the US, apparently.

I think I can hold out until then...

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

hey: is the show tonight longer than usual? is it starting earlier??

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:03 (eighteen years ago)

nope. one hour. same L O S T time, same L O S T channel.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:32 (eighteen years ago)

WHEW

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:35 (eighteen years ago)

Bah, I have to wait until tomorrow again.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago)

^^^^ sucker

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 9 November 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago)

― daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Thursday, 9 November 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago)

I watched the first 5 minutes, but then I turned off the TV. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 November 2006 02:27 (eighteen years ago)

Dullest. Cage sex. Ever.

― Pork Cheops (willpie), Thursday, 9 November 2006 02:41 (eighteen years ago)

UH WHAT.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 9 November 2006 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

Am I the only one who thinks Kate is a terrible person?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 9 November 2006 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

That's kinda the point!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 9 November 2006 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

OH GOD PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME MAKE TACOS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 9 November 2006 03:13 (eighteen years ago)

TACO NIGHT? I DON'T DO TACO NIGHT.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 November 2006 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

Sayid gave us a clue a while back when he said "take two" to have someone to use against the other. If he were there, he'd have their minds fucked already.

So who was Jacob? Jack was not even on Jacob's list.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Thursday, 9 November 2006 03:43 (eighteen years ago)

Housewife Kate had a bad haircut

Cage sex was cheeseball

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 9 November 2006 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

Why the hell did she marry the cop if she couldn't do taco night? I'm so sick of the flashbacks, I want them to stay on the island and tell the damn story. We've got enough backstory and motivation to last as long as this series needs.

Nice to see Jack open a scalpel-case of whoopass. I guess his balls finally dropped.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 9 November 2006 04:11 (eighteen years ago)

I've never known what that's supposed to mean; 'balls droping'. What does that mean?

― dream torture (blood bitch), Thursday, 9 November 2006 04:22 (eighteen years ago)

Her father killed her. Now we can just focus on coffee and donuts.

― Hey Jude (Hey Jude), Thursday, 9 November 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago)

Euphemism for puberty. (xpost)

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 9 November 2006 04:30 (eighteen years ago)

okay wtf at juliet telling pickett (pickett, right?) "we've had to move the timetable forward two weeks."

and benry asking about alex. what, did he raise her?

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 9 November 2006 06:12 (eighteen years ago)

i wanna see what locke sees when he looks up and looks north

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 9 November 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago)

kate loves a man in a uniform. jack should dress up like a boy scout to woo her back.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 9 November 2006 06:16 (eighteen years ago)

i wanna see what locke sees when he looks up and looks north

I assumee he'll see Island Momus face-to-eyepatch.

(That or Alcatraz Island)

― cws (cws), Thursday, 9 November 2006 06:18 (eighteen years ago)

my first response to that whole "they are coming to kill you!" "ah, there's nowhere to run to, freckleface" exchange was:

RUN ANYWAY!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 9 November 2006 06:21 (eighteen years ago)

when he trekked off with sayid to get the spirit stick i thought he was gonna go get island momus

― jergins (jergins), Thursday, 9 November 2006 06:22 (eighteen years ago)

up until jack started punching people, this episode was a snoozefest.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 9 November 2006 08:02 (eighteen years ago)

not even.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 9 November 2006 08:05 (eighteen years ago)

you can't deny even the most perfunctory cage sex

― THANKIG U. (jergins), Thursday, 9 November 2006 08:22 (eighteen years ago)

like jack not being a dumbass though

― THANKIG U. (jergins), Thursday, 9 November 2006 08:22 (eighteen years ago)

So who was Jacob? Jack was not even on Jacob's list.

AHEM, YEAH! c'mon everybody, JACOB! a new mysterious dude who we won't know anything about until february!

― JOHN LOCKE'S ELECTRIC ORANGE PEEL SMILE MACHINE (yournullfame), Thursday, 9 November 2006 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

regarding the ending... does Jack want Sawyer to die? jealous much?

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 9 November 2006 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

Jack IS one jealous fucker - he beat up his own dad because he was talking with his ex-wife.

So is Jacob... HIM? The guy that Ben referred to when he was a prisoner?

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 9 November 2006 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

or... eyepatch?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 9 November 2006 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

I liked:

I'm very disappointed in you, Jack.

Well you won't have to be disappointed for very long.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 9 November 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

Jack IS one jealous fucker

I might need to watch it again but when jack was watching the cage sex cam it looked like he cracked a smile and a laugh. I figured he
played up the jealous bit to get the others off guard

So is Jacob... HIM? The guy that Ben referred to when he was a prisoner?
I figure everything ben/henry said during his capture was used to fuck with the everyone's heads.

I was wondering why julia lied to ben about alex, was she just trying to keep him calm before the operation or something more devious?

― wwweb (jbweb), Thursday, 9 November 2006 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

Did y'all miss the manlove between Bearded Guy & Benry?!?!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 9 November 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

Hahaha. Now we know what came between him and Juliet.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 9 November 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

my first response to that whole "they are coming to kill you!" "ah, there's nowhere to run to, freckleface" exchange was:
RUN ANYWAY!

-- scott seward (skotro...), November 8th, 2006 11:21 PM. (scott seward) (later) (link)

i was thinking the same thing. also, the whole climbing up and out of the cage like it's no thing was sort of UH.

Also: when did Sawyer find out about them being on a separate island?

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Benry took Sawyer out for walkies last week.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

Well, cliffhanger excepted, that was kind of a disappointing and inconclusive episode. If the intention was to have a 6-episode arc, it kinda failed, didn't it?

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

i was thinking the same thing. also, the whole climbing up and out of the cage like it's no thing was sort of UH.

Yeah, and she could just smash the lock open with a rock now? I mean, damn, you might be on a separate island but you can hide out in the woods and go all guerrilla on them or just, you know, hang out and not have to break rocks and get punched in the head all the time. I think Sawyer's just brain damaged from all the pistol whipping.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

also, maybe wanted to get laid

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 9 November 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

They could get laid after they escaped. And washed off in a stream or something. Blech.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 9 November 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

valid point

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 9 November 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

Also: Firefly dude was almost unrecognizable. When he barged through the hotel door, I thought, she's dating the janitor from Scrubs?

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

only took the bears two hours

xxxpost

― boom! i fucked your hard-drive (don), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

bear kama sutra?

― gbx (skowly), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

firefly dude had like 10 lines

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

*closing eyes, not reading thread*

does anyone have any good bittorrent links for season 3? we've just finished season 2 on DVD.

― Sam rides the beat like a bicycle (Molly Jones), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

search for it on http://www.mininova.org/

― jellybean (jellybean), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

Locke - Agent Cooper
Sayid - Sheriff Truman

This episode was really built on solid performances. Evie/Kate really surprised me, I've never really thought she was a very good actress, but she totally brought it this time. That moment when her & Jack first saw each other again was so CUET. Although I am now of the opinion that Tania Raymonde (Alex) is the best actress on this show. Did they really KILL Carl?

So were they planning on threatening Sawyer's life all this time? And what was everybody doing when Sawyer & Kate fucked & Jack walked out of his cell? Getting ready for surgery seems the obvious answer, but the obvious answer so rarely is the correct one on this show.

"Lift up your eyes and look north John" = eyepatchy? other island? radio tower? or THEIR EVENTUAL ESCAPE!?!?

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

ok so Jack isn't on "The List" and that's something that makes him untrustworthy. So I'm guessing the list is of the Good People, and so Jack is a murderer. So my theory is that Jack found and killed his ex-wife's new husband, just like he's trying to kill Sawyer. this gives a different reason for why he asked "is she happy" is s3e1 -- not because he's gotten over it, but because he already knew his identity.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

Also, did Jack already remove the tumor before he cut Ben's ball, er, kidneysack?

I like though that Sayid was down for whatever Locke was up to, he was like "WE're not going back to the beach, are we?", not "you're".

MORE ON PERFORMANCES: Tom getting misty-eyed during the walkie talkie scene was really really touching.

xpost wait, I didn't get that as he was trying to kill Sawyer, I thought he was trying to free them both? I guess I need to watch it again, less drunk on beer and excitement.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

Although I am now of the opinion that Tania Raymonde (Alex) is the best actress on this show.

and in a cast full of honeys perhaps the best looking as well.

Did they really KILL Carl?

I'm really thinking now that Benry raised her, so she's got that boss'-daughter syndrome, where she can be as obnoxious as she wants and nothing will ever happen to her. But maybe they killed Carl, who knows.

― THANKIG U. (jergins), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

didn't the others tell michael to sail NNW? so perhaps Alcatraz is NNW and Michael's being held there too.

i'm guessing the tumor was nonmalignant and jack was lying about it to escape.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

a.b: OK but what about Sawyer and Kate? Aren't they on the list? They've both killed people, doesn't make them Good(TM) people either and Pickett referred only to Jack as not being on the list.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

i think he said "he's not even on The List". doesn't say anything about sawyer & kate.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just going by the reason that if they have a list of Good people and that's who they've been taking (ie the kidnapped Tailies), why take Jack, Kate and Sawyer at all? We know they want Jack to operate on Ben but there's no reason to take the other two except as leverage. In which case, they should have just taken Kate and left Sawyer out of it.

But the three of them (plus Hurley) were specifically requested which makes me think that they're on some sort of list, though probably not Jacob's list, whatever that is. My theory (pretty far-fetched admittedly): It was Hurley, not Jack who was supposed to be taken, but while Ben was in the hatch, he learnt that Jack was a spinal surgeon and changed the plans.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

the black woman was the one who said hurley could go, without consulting with ben.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

there's no reason to take the other two except as leverage

i think the others are doing some kind of breeding experiment (and if so, hey, good job!)

― THANKIG U. (jergins), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

They took Hurley just so that he could go back to the camp and tell the rest of the survivors to stay away.

― lxy (lxy), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

xpost ben could have told her about the change earlier - there was a day between ben escaping and them getting caught. anyway forget it, like i said, far-fetched theory - wouldn't know what they'd want with a Hurley, Kate and Sawyer combo either.

And what was everybody doing when Sawyer & Kate fucked & Jack walked out of his cell?

Book-club meeting in Othersville, obvs.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

Good Eko interview in EW, posted up 'ere

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

I hate how one out-loud sentence ("Shephard's not even on Jacob's list") can generate so many questions - who is Jacob? when did HE make HIS list? List of WHAT? Which Shephard, Jack or *dunt dun DUUUUUH* zombie Christian? Are we supposed to assume then that Kate and Sawyer WERE on Jacob's list? Is "Jacob's list" just an expression a la Jacob's Ladder?

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

Most insane theory I've seen re: Jacob - that JACOB is an acronym and the name of the "monster".

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

The simplest answer is that Jacob is Island Momus, right?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

(which almost guarantees that that's not the case?)

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

That's my guess. They've been tossing in one little reminder per episode that there's someone who's an Other even to the Others. (xp)

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

i thought the cage make-out/sex was kinda hot. (well, after i convinced myself that they're not brother and sister after all.) the scene with kate and jack looked really great too - all those reflections in the blue-green light. nice.

anyway, bah, february seems far away. but it is not, not really. freakin cliffhangers.

― rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

No, the simplest answer is Jacob was Ethan's real name.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

Ethan was Ethan's real name! see s3e1 opening

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't think at all that Jack was jealous and wanted to kill Sawyer. I think he felt a twinge of jealousy at first but then realized that Kate and Sawyer actually had something worth preserving and that's why he agreed to even do the operation and hatched the brilliant walkie-talkie scheme. (Although he wasn't counting on the Alcatraz factor. Still, going guerilla would be better than just accepting the cages, yes.) After all, they'd said they'd kill Sawyer if he didn't operate. It would have been the easiest thing for him to stick by his refusal if that was what he'd wanted.

I liked the cage make-out/sex but I'm worried about the show becoming too soapish. A lot of sappy relationship-type stuff in this episode.

Kate's not Canadian, is she? (I know EL is.) She still pronounces "sorry" like she is.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

surely jack will insist on both kate AND sawyer being unharmed and out of the others control or ben gets it.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

The simplest answer is that Jacob is Island Momus, right?

(which almost guarantees that that's not the case?)

OTM

and OTM

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

i mean if kate does come back on the walkie talkie and sez "sawyer he dead" i can't see jack being inclined to sort it out

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

I predict Kate & Sawyer will take off running and luckily come across the sailboat that Sayid, Jin and Sun lost. It's not even unlikely that they would, if they follow established trails to the nearest beach. It'll be a lot more deus ex machina if Kate or Sawyer conveniently know how to sail.

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I agree. If anything, I think that he was happy for K&S but realized there was nothing more for him on the island and so this intensified his desire to go home. Hence, his insistence that Ben keep his word and send him back if he does the operation.

xpost

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

I had a dream the other night that Jin & I had restolen "Elizabeth" (the boat) and were in the ocean when a big chasm opened up in the ocean (infinite waterfalls in either direction into abyss) and Jin went over with the boat while I was somehow able to swim away.

I think this season's structure will end up working out amazingly, as the next 3 months or so are going to be dominated by non-tv things - Thanksgiving & Xmas family type stuff etc etc. By the time life is settled back into ready-to-watch-L O S T-mode, it will be February already.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

Fuck family - I'm getting me some Taye Diggs action!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

...send Jack back to the real world, or just "home" or "off the island"....

He said "off this island." Pretty sure Jack doesn't know he's on the 2nd island. Nevertheless he's a sucker for not being more specific.

― lxy (lxy), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I think Groundhog's Die Hard looks good too, and think it's kind of brilliant L O S T marketing to do the 30 second clips of upcoming eps during commercials.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

He said "off this island." Pretty sure Jack doesn't know he's on the 2nd island. Nevertheless he's a sucker for not being more specific.

the dickhead didn't even stipulate "alive and well!" as part of his demands

i wanted an agonising cliffhanger ending but this wasn't it really, disappointing (my annoyance at the end of every episode now is really starting to piss of my gf which isn't good either - i've never been so frustrated with a show ever)

re Alex - Juliet said they took her 'home and that she doesn't know where she is...i doubt this means they've sent her back to Danielle but it's exciting to think it might

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:30 (eighteen years ago)

Fuck! I need to watch this episode again!

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 10 November 2006 09:18 (eighteen years ago)

OTM!

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Friday, 10 November 2006 10:11 (eighteen years ago)

Whole point of the flashback seemed to me that Kate leaves people she loves behind to ensure her own survival. Sorry Sawyer RIP dude!

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Friday, 10 November 2006 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

"Kate leaves people she loves behind to ensure her own survival"

surely some mistake. THEIR survival more like. kate has urges to be normal and good but becomes resigned to that being an impossibility and can't shack up with a good guy or lure innocent bystanders into her own personal doom.

= I CHOO-CHOO CHOOSE SAWYER (and not Jack)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 10 November 2006 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

Kate is batshit. I am on the run. What shall I do? SHACK UP WITH A POLICEMANG DUH.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Friday, 10 November 2006 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

I reached the Kate = Batshit conclusion last night, too.
Shame we didn't get any more Island Momus action, but I liked that Locke was at least speculating about wtf is going on Craphole Island. Why does nobody else ever do this? They just seem to take it all in their stride most of the time.

I thought Tom/Beardy/Zeke/Bluebeard/Mr.Friendly was great in this episode. During the "lol I broke his kidney" scene, his performance was very touching. Him and Ben must be close - maybe, what with the "OMG Beardy is ghey" speculation, maybe they're an item? Nothing would surprise me on L O S T.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 10 November 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

maybe Tom has never done it with anyone.

presumably Kate is just about to tell Jack that there's 'nowhere to run'. he must already have been aware that Pickett would have a gun on Swayer - couldn't work out if he cared about this or not.

pointless flashback speculation for next 6 episodes:
7. BENRY/JULIET/OTHERS
8. HURLEY
9. SAYID
10. CHARLIE
11. NIKKI/PAOLO
12. DESMOND

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Friday, 10 November 2006 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

13. LOCKE FINALLY GETS CRIPPLED

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Friday, 10 November 2006 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

13 would be Jack again I guess

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Friday, 10 November 2006 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

I'll be so disappointed if we don't get an Others' flashback this season.
I really loved the episodes with "Island flashbacks" - the S2 Finale, the ep. that shows you what happened to Michael after he bashed Locke and fled the hatch. A few more of those would be most welcome this season, especially if we see hueg reveals due to seeing familiar events unfold from another perspective - that would just about make me piss my pants in excitement.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 10 November 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

weird how Miss Klugh has not appeared at all in the first 6 - the only prominent Other not to?

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

Aye, that's a shame. I liked her intense delivery in the Michael scenes. I'm sure we'll see her again soon. Maybe she's shacked up with Island Momus - if she was dealing with Walt, she may be part of the (specualted) Weird Monster Controlling Psychic Messages and Teleportation Department.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

Lostpedia has a photoreference strongly hinting Island Momus is Jacob.

Scroll down and click through to the Jacob Vanderfield page.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:49 (eighteen years ago)

my problem with the aside "shepherd isn't even on jacob's list" is that i can't think of any way that it would be appropriate to say so when leaving a the operation viewing gallery to go shoot someone.

he isn't on the list of people we have to watch doing operations?

huh?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 10 November 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago)

List of people who kill people? But that wouldn't really make sense.

I totally don't understand why Sawyer and Kate wouldn't run even if there's 'nowhere to run'. I mean, so what if they're on a different island? It's not like original island would have afforded great opportunities for 'escape' anyway - but at least they wouldn't be in fucking *cages*.

― Archel (Archel), Friday, 10 November 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe all of the Others are gay, and that's why they need to steal children / kidnap people who are going to fuck in cages and get pregnant.

― lxy (lxy), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

best theory on this thread so far, miles ahead of "island momus" speculation

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

pointless flashback speculation for next 6 episodes:
7. BENRY/JULIET/OTHERS
8. HURLEY
9. SAYID
10. CHARLIE
11. NIKKI/PAOLO
12. DESMOND

It's totally lame that I know this, but Hurley is slated for episode 10.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

I like that us L O S T threadies can and often do put a L O S T spin/reference into about 40% of other ILE threads.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

It's sad, but it warms my hart.

― teh_kit returns! (g-kit), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

i want to see the other "others". The teddy bear dragging, barefoot, scary, tiptoe through the jungle, to your beachie, that is where I'll be OTHER others.
The cage sex thing left me bleh, because...I don't know, I agree with the other poster way xxxpost who said...why not run off into the jungle and do it near a stream where you can bathe? Something about no brushing of teeth plus steady diet of fishbiscuits had me a bit put off. Plus, why fuck in a cage, and fall asleep, knowing full well that someone is watching on camera (known because of Sawyer's electrocution boondangle), and that THEY will probably come and find you soon (since S&K presumably are going to be visited/roused at some point?)
It just doesn't make any sense.
Fuck in a cage, yes. maybe. Cuddle and fall asleep? Um, no.
It's gotten to the point where I like reading this thread MORE than watching L O S T. Although I HAVE to watch it so I can keep up with this thread. Ya bastards!
I'm just not getting the narrative anymore, and i can't get over that Sayid suddenly returns (yay for me and accentmonkey!), but says nothing about Sun, Jin, or the entire boat thing.
And everyone is sanguine about it, and two dullards end up going out for the great adventure. (Fake Shannon and Fake Boone).
I know it's not supposed to make sense, but some little snippet of a narrative thread IRT the 1st island losties would help a lot.
Whatever, I'll watch the Taye Diggs thing because...what else would i do on a Wednesday?
Plus, maybe John Locke has to look towards the north to see Jack's balls drop. (extremely xxpost, sorry.)
Give me my other others! NOW! And some Rousseau!
i think my rant is done...oh, wait, i am also having a hard time keeping all the shows separated, because once Trixie/Colleen got shot on L O S T she appeared on ER! And i was, like, wait-a-hold-it - you died last week, and I'm still waiting to see you on the last two episodes of Deadwood! And Juliet was on ER! The television is deliberately trying to confuse me! press the button!

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, check this. Pickett said Alex "wasn't supposed to be there". Where was she supposed to be? Maaaaaybe back on Island 1.0 in suburbia (which is also maaaaaybe where the kids are). Now this would imply she knows a way to get from one island to the next. And she seems sympathetic towards our Losties. I'm guessing she's going to help Sawyer & Kate off Alcatraz, and (hopefully) come back with them to beach camp, at which point maaaaaaybe Sayid will take her to meet her real mommy. Lots of maybes, and it doesn't guarantee Alex & Danielle will have a happy weepy reunion, but plausible, which is all I ask anymore with this show.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

SPOILER FONT TEST:

remember when Tom looked like the Gorton's fishstick guy?

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

D'OH!

testing

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

I was just thinking about how Tom used to be so menacing, and now he's all cuddly.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

Nick: [p style="color:#fff;"]ooh a spoiler![/p].

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

(but with angle brackets rather than square ones)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

Fuck it.

SPOILERY STUFF LIES HEREIN:

Apparently this is the likely order of the next few flashbacks:
7. Juliet
8. Desmond
9. Jack
10. Hurley

There was also some hinting in one of the podcasts that they were going to do a Paulo/Nikki on-island flashback showing what they've been doing this whole time.

SPOILER ALERT ZONE ENDS HERE

x-post I think I tried that, I will try again, but if it doesn't work this time I am quitting, because I'm a quitter

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

I substituted "white" for "color", is that what I'm getting wrong?

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

There was also some hinting in one of the podcasts that they were going to do a Paulo/Nikki on-island flashback showing what they've been doing this whole time.

100% HUMPING FLASHBACKS.

― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

the polar bears gone veg

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

Oh jesus christ.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

L O S T G O N E W I L D

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

I think that Alex does have water transport to island-hop, on account of she was in the hospital hatch with Claire way back when -- certainly on the main island, yah? -- and now she's on Alcatraz.

― lxy (lxy), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

what was up with that long-assed tunnel that kate got walked down, though? jack and the OR could be anywhere: underwater, alcatraz, or the main island.

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

Death wishlist

1. Pickett

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

2. "Paulo"
3. beachie randoms ("they got Frogurt, NOOOOOOOO!")

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah Pickett really needs to die, I just hate him so much. I wonder if that was their intent when they cast the "I'm Buck and I like to FUCK" guy from Kill Bill.

― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

That's the guy that gets slammed w/ the door 76 times, right? Maybe they can capture him and stick him in the would-be Boone leg-chopper!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, am I the only person who thought cage sex was super hot? And what does this say about me?!

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

(I liked it too but I'm kind of a sad case.)

― Sundar (sundar), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

We have redecorated our bedroom as a cage, complete with fish-biscuit dispenser and cameras.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 10 November 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just not getting the narrative anymore, and i can't get over that Sayid suddenly returns (yay for me and accentmonkey!), but says nothing about Sun, Jin, or the entire boat thing.

OTMFM

Yeah we'll kill 'em all but keep two alive and fuck them up oh wait I'm fucking rotten at this whole military madman part of being a military madman but fuckit I'm on Locke's next trip to wherever the fuck and Jin and Sun can just hang out with Bernard and that other cunt no-one remembers and oh wait weren't there more Others on the boat? How the fuck did we get back? Oh fuck it how'm I lookin'?

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Saturday, 11 November 2006 01:11 (eighteen years ago)

Okay who the hell is the creepy lady in the window:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1197&pos=14

― jergins (jergins), Saturday, 11 November 2006 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

oohh..she is very creepy! Maybe it's Alex!?

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 11 November 2006 03:50 (eighteen years ago)

That's Tom! As a lady, he certainly would be creepy!

― lxy (lxy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

Memory is failing, but did Ben ever promise he would send Jack back to the real world, or just "home" or "off the island", because if it's the latter he's been planning on just releasing him to mystery island v1.0 all this time, methinks.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. That the promise is just to get off the island they're on, i.e. back to square one.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 11 November 2006 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4092/windowladyav9.png

― a.b. (alanbanana), Saturday, 11 November 2006 05:20 (eighteen years ago)

Is that a mirror over her shoulder? Enhance... stop... move in...

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 11 November 2006 05:24 (eighteen years ago)

I had a pair of leather gloves... have you seen them?

― Scorpion Tea (Dick Butkus), Saturday, 11 November 2006 05:26 (eighteen years ago)

Oh THAT window... duh. Yeah, super-creepy. Who, indeed.

― lxy (lxy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 06:21 (eighteen years ago)

this was a super disappointing cliff hanger. i hope the series comes back stronger in february, because it's really not surprising me this year

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 11 November 2006 06:37 (eighteen years ago)

Window creepy looks like Dame Edna, but is still creepy enough to haunt my dreams tonight. Excellent!
I like the spooky parts.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:15 (eighteen years ago)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/gradygillan/windowladyav9.jpg

― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 11 November 2006 08:14 (eighteen years ago)

did that shot actually appear on the show? it says "promo photo" and those aren't always from actual scenes... she could be the wardrobe lady or something.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 11 November 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago)

it wasnt really a cliff hanger it was just a misunderstanding due to a lack of information , an information that the viewer knows already. "no jack we cant run kuz we are on another island. ahem. yes. so. lets boat or something. yup."

the women in the window is lizette. she sells sandwiches and donuts that smell of cigarette, to the lost cast and crew

― David Kennedy (funny ringtones), Saturday, 11 November 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

Is there significance at all to the fact they chose not to bury Mr Eko with the rest of the deadies?

btw, whoever was looking for t0rr3nting opportunities, why t0rr3nt when you can just watch (some with subtitling)? Served us all right thus far: http://tvlinks.voodeedoo.org/Lost_links.html

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 11 November 2006 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

... dudes, dudes [puff, pant], i've just caught up with all six episodes and ... ah SHIT. late again.

for those britishes like me and mrs F who don't have sky and certainly aren't gonna fork out for it just to watch lost: a hunt around at d4ilym0tion.com will unearth streaming goodies. as for t 0 rrent links: tape it off the internet dot com has been a revelation.

anyway, yes: thoroughly enjoyed our little lost marathon, we have. am annoyed i missed out on the chance to talk crap about it here, mind. until february, then!

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

Damn lost. Why leave it till Feb?

― Darramouss :D (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the cage sex was hott but I thought Kate in her housewife phase was even hotter.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just sorry we didn't get to see Sawyers nekkid ass.

― Darramouss (Denton Price), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago)

I thought Kate in her housewife phase was even hotter.

WAHT

― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:07 (eighteen years ago)

Housewife Kate looks too much like my mother in her 20s for me to consider her hot. Island Kate is a different story.

― daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:19 (eighteen years ago)

Ailsa has a great point - since they dragged Mr. Eko all over the damn island to get him to the beachie, why not drag him back to his church? (churchie, ahem).
They've brought all the other beachie deadies home for a proper burial, yes?
Plus - Eko gets dragged to beachie from polar bear cave, after hatch explosion, barely able to walk, then runs off into the woods with Locke and Sayid and dullards following, gets kilt by smokie monster and... NONE OF IT MAKES ANY SENSE!
One narrative thread to contemplate, please!
Eko - killed by hatch explosion?
Eko - killed by polar bears?
Eko - killed by smokie monster!
And where are Sun and Jin?
Oh, well. I'll keep watching.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago)

wasnt it all explained away with a line like "there's been too many funerals on the beach lately."

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 02:12 (eighteen years ago)

bad cliffhanger

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 08:06 (eighteen years ago)

This was one of my girlfriend's answers to a Myspace questionairre she received yeterday:

15. WHERE CAN YOU SEE YOURSELF BEING PROPOSED TO AT?
Who knows what goes on in Greg's head? It will probably be 'Lost' themed.

NOW I HAVE TO CHANGE MY PLANS.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 08:42 (eighteen years ago)

Lady in the window looks like a colleague.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:10 (eighteen years ago)

I went back and watched "The Other 48 Days" last night. At one point Eko tells Ana Lucia, 'everthing's going to be okay.'

― jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

Famous last words!

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

wasnt it all explained away with a line like "there's been too many funerals on the beach lately."

It was, but it was explained away by Locke, who is, let's face, never entirely upfront with folk if he needs or wants his own way. Surely he could leave it up to the beachies if they wanted to attend or not, surely Charlie and Claire at the very least would have liked to have been there (Charlie worked with him building the church, he baptised Claire and Aaron) and that's not Locke's decision unless he is trying to hide something.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

teh_kit's getting marriaged?

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

Nope, my plans have been ruineded.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:24 (eighteen years ago)

Were you going to put a bag over her head, drag her to a mystery second island and make her break rocks for weeks until she declared her undying love while having a romantic fish biscuit for two?

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

While another man watches on CCTV.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think you should be more like Jin and Sun and you should beat people up to win her father's respect.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

While she shags (or doesn't shag) her Korean language tutor?

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

They don't shag, and then you still get to throw him out a window, or at least scare him to death and lead him to a mysterious suicide/getting thrown out a window by someone else/

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

I think they shag

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

They do in Lost, they don't in this elaborate fantasy I am constructing for teh_kit, OK?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

don't mind me

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

I'm gonna go with Onimo's suggestion anyway. The rockbreaking is too romantic to miss.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

Some info on what's to come:

Lost creators Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have promised to drop several "bombs" when the show returns next February.

Speaking to TV Guide, Lindelof revealed: "There are two bombs being dropped, one of which is a character bomb, and that will happen within the first three episodes after the break. And the other is a more significant story bomb, a game-changer, as it were, and that will happen shortly after."

The theme hinted at in the season two cliffhanger will also return to "dominate" for the rest of the season. "We broke perspective off the island for the first time — at least that's what we're leading everybody to believe — and, certainly, that ball is in motion and rolling down the hill at a very fast rate," added Lindelof. "It takes a couple of episodes to get up to speed, but the fact that the island may have been seen is pretty much the entire story arc of the second half of the year."

Other plot points to be resolved before season three is out include what happened when the hatch exploded, how Jack got his tattoos and why Locke was in the wheelchair.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

I've been hearing about this story-changing bomb for months. I think it was first mentioned at Comic Con.
Character bomb - Jack to die?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:54 (eighteen years ago)

that would be fine.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that wouldn't bother me so much. Can't see it though.

I'm wondering if it's not going to be the vaguely-hinted-at bombshell that Claire and Jack are half-brother-and-sister. Claire's had about two lines in this series so far and must be due some involvement.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

i'm sure they will always protect Jack, Sawyer and Kate. but these seem like the only characters the 'bomb' could be dropped on/from.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

I wouldn't particularly miss Jack, either. He was originally slated to be killed in the Pilot episode.
I'd be disappointed if the Jack/Claire thing was the bombshell - everybody has kind of assumed it already, so not actually much of a bombshell anymore.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

sawyer could do w/ dying

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, next to second-island/submarine etc, Christian being Claire's dad would be a bit lame, but it's an option. The Others may know this, and, erm, do something with this knowledge.

xpost NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

L O S T would be only half the show it is without Sawyer's nicknames & one-liners.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

keeping Sawyer alive presumably means removing Pickett. suspect he will be killed soon, either by Sawyer or maybe Juliet (to show she means business...altho she'd cover it up so Tom and co. don't turn on her perhaps)

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

how Jack got his tattoos

AT LAST. srsly, that has been bugging me since about the third ep of series one.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't see Pickett lasting much longer. Bring back Ms Klugh!

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

Klugh's absence suggests she is looking after Otherville right? or having fun in a secret lab with whatever project Walt's abduction was based on.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

also who really cares how Jack got his rubbish tats? this is not worth bringing his second flashback episode forward for...

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

Fox had the tattoo before joining Lost. Writing a back story about it is a bit shit.

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

I think the tattoo story will show us a big bunch of skeletons in Jack's closet. I'm sure he must've killed somebody at some point (not on the operating table), especially after the "Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list" thing. But yeah, everyone's making such a big deal about the tattoo story.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

there shouldn't be a tattoo story

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure he must've killed somebody at some point (not on the operating table), especially after the "Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list" thing. But yeah, everyone's making such a big deal about the tattoo story.

think you might be onto something here as the character bomb could be Jack flipping out and going on a big Others killing spree.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

That would be awesomes, and it might even make me start liking him.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

When's Cindy coming back? And the kids with the teddy bear?

Maybe Michael and Walt are still hanging around somewhere? Vincent has been possessed by a polar bear?

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

oh the Vincent thing keeps coming back to annoy me. he was NOT/couldn't have been with them when they left!

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:49 (eighteen years ago)

Word is that Cindy/kids will be back pretty soon after the break.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

jack ain't a killer

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

Sure he is! Motherfucker has some dark secrets.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago)

I know (re Vincent). Who's looking after him now that Michael and Walt have gone and Shannon's dead? Has he been seen in any of the beach shots? No? That's because he's been captured for weirdy Dharma experimentational stuff, like cross-breeding with polar bears or something.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

He certainly has the potential to kill, at any rate - "I just cut this dude's kidney, he's gonna die in like, an hour."

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

that was in the last episode

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

That's right. Fishbiscuit for you.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

no thanks

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

it only took the bears two hours to realise there shouldn't be a tatoo story.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

Jack has only now flipped the lid and become a bit kamikaze, speaking of which I like new "FUCK EVERYTHING" Jack a lot better than old caring Jack.

But I think "big character bomb" suggests treachery. Maybe someone is really AN OTHER!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

remember that girl libby? and how they put her in hurley and desmond's flashbacks?

that was funny

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

Paolo and Nikki are OTHERS! (has anyone else not been seen at the airport/on the plane?)

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

allof those people are dead now (the tail section people) right? except for rose's husband (who hasn't been seen once this season). THANKS FOR WASTING OUR TIME LAST YEAR

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

Air hostess girl from Cold Feet may still live.

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

i now hope the next 12 episodes are entirely about jack's tattoos.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

He'll stand in front of some unfinished map of the island with his shirt off and somebody will look up and go "OE MY GODZ"

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

air hostess girl is a DHARMA mole

― a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

I think we are supposed to believe the people taken from the tail-section survivors camp (2 kids + however many adults) are still alive and well somewhere on the island. There's a loose end that could end up being manipulated into a future plot point.

xpost it's always possible

― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

How come air hostess girl was with the tailies when she was in the front of the plane trying to get the hobbit out of the bogs when it crashed?

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

she got thrown backwards by inertia

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

Inertia keeps you moving in the direction you were travelling.

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

You silly dingos - it's not a back story about Jack's tats, it's a back story about Jack in THAILAND!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

(unless acted upon by another force)

― ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

about vincent, the dog. i guess that we are supposed to believe that he got to leave with michael and walt. there was supposed to have been a deleted scene or something that showed vincent in that little boat they left in, though i've never watched it.

and finally, we get to find out why locke was paralyzed. can't wait for that!

oh, and does it put me in the minority if i really don't even mind jack? i do find him a bit boring, but i still think he's nice. i kind of hope he doesn't turn out to be some kind of psycho killer or something, i don't know.

and, the show is just sooo complicated now. i'm starting to mainly just care about the characters. anybody feel the same?

― dream torture (blood bitch), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

How come air hostess girl was with the tailies when she was in the front of the plane trying to get the hobbit out of the bogs when it crashed?

haha, I never even thought about this, or why Charlie was in the mid-fuselage when he leapt out of the bathroom and buckled right up.

I actually like Jack quite a bit, I'm only frustrated that Jackbacks always forego flashbacks by other more interesting characters (Sayid = 3 FBs to date!!!! inexcusable).

― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

Jack's flashbacks tend to be a bit same-y, too.

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

i've never disliked Jack

Inertia keeps you moving in the direction you were travelling.
(unless acted upon by another force)

sorry yes it was the force of the wind behind her (caused by back of plane falling off) pulling her back

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

I wondered a long time ago about the fact that Cindy was chasing Charlie down the plane when it crashed yet ended up with the tailies but figured there was something I'd missed that all you lot saw since there's been no mention of it and I didn't want everyone going "like, duh, do you not remember how she ran back to the back of the plane to do something" and making me look stupid.

(I only noticed Cindy over other random plane folk because I recognised her from Cold Feet - I also knew she'd turn up again because she's an actress of some note and I sort of assumed she's enough of a "face" not to just be an extra)

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

You just knew that there was going to be a FB with an explination for jack's tattoos. And that it would come late in the third season. And that it would be so stupid that he just shouldnt have had the tatoos as part of his character in the first place.

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

All that is fine, it's just how the producers are doing the whole "oooh, tease!" thing about the upcoming tattoo flashback, like "don't you want to find out how Jack got them???" that grates. I wouldn't have thought twice about it before you made it a big deal.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

that's what i was getting at. jaymc in explaining things better than me socka.

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

apparently they were originally going to cover the tattoos with makeup and the writers decided they could use them. So at least this silly plan has been in place since the beginning.

character bomb so obviously Libby it hurts.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know how we ended up there but me & roomy were talking about "character bomb" and decided we think Desmond once had a son (hence his interest in Claire's Aaron) and OMG the boy is on the Island!

(I could've swore I posted this thought earlier today but I guess not?)

― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

character bomb so obviously Libby it hurts.

???

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

also, kudos on the new handle, nicka.

― researching ur life (grady), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

ok so who's going to sit through Daybreak in order to spoil us?

― jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 09:36 (eighteen years ago)

the cliffhanger was hamstrung by the "OMG SECOND ISLAND" thing. if jack has henjamin's life in his hands, then it should not be too difficult to get a boat (or sub!!) ride out of his little helpers. there being a second island is not that big a deal. kate's failure to spit it out and break the bad news is therefore annoying. a better ending would have given us the end of this story, with henj coming through or not coming through (or indeed juliet taking matters into her own hands and killing him -- jack is gambling that she is either lying or isolated in her "let's kill ben" plans), and something like jack leaving the island, or whatever.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

Taye Diggs is a good looking fella. Too bad his new show sucks.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 16 November 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

I've been avoiding clicking this thread all morning but then I realised there NO NEW LOST to discuss :(

― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

i keep saying 'two months' to myself but it's really 2 and 2/3 ;_;

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

is it offensive to refer to daybreak as blackhog's day?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

I think I may have to push forward my L O S T themed wedding, in the hope that it makes the break feel shorter.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

p.s u r all welcoem

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

L O S T themed wedding, teh-kit? That raises so many images/ possibilities in my mind that I am too befuddled to sort them out!
Please share these plans!
I mean, the relatives that you're sort of "meh" about could be the others - or the other others. new father-in-law as Benry? Crazy cousin as Desmond? Favorite cousin as Hurley? Where does it stop? It's madness!
Do all the guests drink out of mini booze bottles?
Will Locke marry you - or will you revive Eko for your nuptials? What should we wear?

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

bride = Others rags
groom = polar bear costume

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

i hope henjamin lives.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

it would be funny if he was faking being under anaesthetic.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

Ceremony will be conducted by the Smoke Monster posing as Eko ;_;

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

it would be funny if he was faking being under anaesthetic.

hahahaha S3.2 starts out with Ben sitting up yelling "WHAT THE FUUUUCK!?!?!"

― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Did anybody watch Taye Diggs In Groundhog's Day The TV Show? It was okay! The "30 second" clip of LOST was really only about 15 though - it was a scene of Charlie getting all up in Desmond's face and Desmond knocking him down all "YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME" and Hurley waking up and looking at them like "uh, dudes?".

― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

"YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME"

no, srsly, we do!

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

YA RLY WTF DES

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

I was hoping Day Break would be good enough to warrant it's own thread because there was this commercial where Truckosaurus couldn't eat a Ford/Chevy/whatever truck and I was itching to post:

FOR SHAME, TRUCKOSAURUS

...but it never happened. So I posted it here. Man it feels good to get that off my chest.

― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe I should have a Lost-themed birth. Or maybe not.

I miss it already though :(

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

Name your child Mister Eko.

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

No, Turniphead!

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

the character bomb's gonna be when they out whoever

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

Amusing timekiller: ---> http://beforetheywerelost.blogspot.com/
The Kate one is so my favorite.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

OMG Locke's porn 'tache

i wish he had this on the island. he could use the theatrical glue.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

The others were on ER tonight, with Colleen. Street kids who looked like they were stolen from a community theater production of "Oliver!", who kept talking about a mysterious person.....
I have found the other others, on NBC!

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 17 November 2006 04:47 (eighteen years ago)

Jorge Garcia's in the "60 Second Interview" in today's Metro. The guy interviewing him's obviously not a fan.

e.g.
How long will it drag out?

You've lost 2M viewers from series 1 to now, will you have any left in two years?

You're fat, does that make it hard to find work?

What was your favourite TV show as a youngster?
Alf
Did it finish at the right time or did it lumber on until it lost all its viewers and had to be cancelled?

― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

LOST losing all it's viewers and being cancelled early is like EXACTLY what Lindelof/Cuse are hoping will happen, actually!

― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

have they said why?

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

I think they just don't want to go on forever and forever without ever resolving anything.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

They've only conceptualized a show that will run five or six seasons, in terms of the narrative they want to tell. I don't think they want it to be cancelled next month, but they're hoping that it doesn't turn into The X-Files, where the show's popularity necessitates it staying on the air long after the creators have stopped caring.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

SIX SEASON IS ZOMBIE SEASON.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:58 (eighteen years ago)

I heard a rumor today that Jack's gonna be killed off. I'm surprised the sound of my rejoicing didn't break the sound barrier.

Now if they could just lock Kate and Sawyer in a box for a while, and let us see some of the other characters for a change, it'd be all good.

Just my opinion: Your mileage may vary.

― Hey Jude (Hey Jude), Saturday, 18 November 2006 02:38 (eighteen years ago)

You're fat, does that make it hard to find work?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 18 November 2006 09:23 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, that guy who did the Metro interview is a total fucking prick. Unsurprisingly, Jorge Garcia handles him with total class.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 18 November 2006 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I read that one minute interview as well. What a total dick.

Is Jack really going to be killed off? Hmm. I'm not sure that's a fantastic idea, really, much as I am not crazy about him. He gives a kind of structure to the show because he does have that incredibly useful skill of being able to save people. But yes, it does annoy me when the people I like are not the people the programme makers have chosen to focus on.

Maybe because the situation in actual Iraq is more awful than the programme makers thought it would be when they started the programme, they have decided not to have any more Sayid flashbacks. That is annoying, though.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 18 November 2006 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

what's a metro? can i find one on the internets?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 18 November 2006 09:47 (eighteen years ago)

it's a free UK newspaper. website here, occasionally wonderful ILE thread here.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 18 November 2006 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

Metro articles get lost to the ether, sadly (and the British Newspaper Library).

LOST losing all it's viewers and being cancelled early is like EXACTLY what Lindelof/Cuse are hoping will happen, actually!

There was a full Damon Lindelof interview in Metro this week too. When asked the "Is there a grand plan or are you making it all up as you go along" question, he said something like: "Well, we have an idea for how it will all end up, but unlike in the UK, shows in the States just go on and on until people stop watching them, so there has to be some flexibility with it."

There did seem to be an undercurrent of "you lucky Britishes" about what he said. I'm not sure he's really right on that score, in fact, in that UK shows usually go on well past their sell-by date, the odd celebrated case such as The Office and Fawlty Towers notwithstanding.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 18 November 2006 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

they have decided not to have any more Sayid flashbacks. That is annoying, though.

I really want to see that US Army officer again. He was terrific.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 18 November 2006 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

metro keeps all its 60 second interviews on line

jorge: http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/interviews/article.html?in_article_id=25538&in_page_id=11

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 18 November 2006 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

awesome, thanks.

I'm not sure he's really right on that score,

maybe he just wishes they only had to do six episodes a season - isn't that about average for UK series?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 18 November 2006 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

yup.

i think jack will leave the island *and get in touch with penny*. i hate lost theory usually but there we are that's what i'm sayin.

― benrique (Enrique), Monday, 20 November 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

SPOILER ALERT:

Question: Oh, all seeing, all knowing, all scoopage-having Ausiello, lavish us with some loot on Lost. All asinine alliteration aside, I want some dangerously spoilerific scoopage.— Ben Fancher

Ausiello: I dunno how dangerous this is, but I just found out that Cheech Marin has been cast as Hurley's dad. He'll appear in the big guy's next flashback episode, slated to air Feb. 28.

― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

ROFLAWESOME

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

DAVE'S NOT HERE MAN

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

my girlfriend is 80% sure t3rry o'qu!nn attended her yoga class tonite.

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Thursday, 23 November 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago)

you better watch your lady, dude. they love locke.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:37 (eighteen years ago)

Why googleproof a L O S T actor's name on a L O S T thread?

― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

Jack was in my dream last night. I can't remember what happened but he was being typically uptight and annoying.

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

Why googleproof a L O S T actor's name on a L O S T thread?

JUST ANOTHER OF LOST'S MANY MYSTERIES. i'd rank it somewhere between "what do the numbers mean?" and "what the fuck is the point of charlie?"

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

i actually dreamt about Paolo and Nikki fucking the other week. gah.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

i think i was worrying about it looking creepy that i was reporting on his personal life. good point though.

she was like "i dont think it was him... this guy was tall." then we checked his imdb... 6 foot 1.5 inches!!!! she's a relativley new yoga instructor and he was the first "tall" pupil she's had.

― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Thursday, 23 November 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

I tell lies every day, man

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I go skinny-dipping too! Now I want to be his friend, so I can do things I don't ordinarily do! And get lied to!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 11 January 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

But, I mean, just how long ago was it that we were all wandering around in loincloths?"

let's see... 34 years and counting.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

27 days.

― baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Almost enough time for a rage induced cataclysm to engulf the UK.

― onimo (onimo), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

The tv reviewer on NPR was giving LOST shit yesterday for not being "user-friendly" i.e. the long hiatus.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

Innaresting how the "weekly eps vs. full season on DVD" thing in TV is paralleling the "floppies vs. TPBs" thing in comics.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

Deferring gratification. Sort of bulimic, actually. One can wait for the dvd, then glut and, not puke—but suffer a soul-emptiness comperable to an acid-trip crash.
Probably better for the nerves to watch the weeklys, going to the bathroom and raiding the fridge during the ads.
We just watched all five seasons of Six Feet Under, 3-4 episodes per night, and at the end we were absolutely drained. Bereft. Still not over it.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

i have witnessed matthew fox in the act of near-cheating.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

Now that's just disgusting.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

That belongs in the shit-eating thread.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

actually, that's a lie. i have witnessed him in the act of social boozing, but a friend witnessed the near-cheating later that nite and told me about it.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

my gf was very disenchanted after hearing about such misbehavior. whenever he comes on the screen now, her eyes narrow and she mutters: "i know your tricks, matthew fox."

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

also, they were shooting an episode above the salon where she works two days ago. they send a PA down to see if someone was available to come up and give the director a manicure, pedicure and massage while he worked.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

You mean the reason we have to wait so long for new episodes is because the director took time off to wrestle with his out-of-control toenail-growth?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

http://h1.ripway.com/Maximus12345/Ingrown-Toenail.jpg

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

Which would you rather do:

1. have sex with Matthew Fox

2. Suck on that toe

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

hang on: NEAR-cheating? surely this means his self-control and honour was great and he pulled himself ~~off~~ back from the brink?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

No, the "other woman" pulled herself back from a potentially soul-scarring experience.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

matthew fox is one cool mofo.

― tears (blood bitch), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

'Lost' Planning End Date:

In a highly unusual move for a broadcast series, ABC and the producers of "Lost" are in discussions to determine an end date for the show.

and then an abc flack quickly backs away from that.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 15 January 2007 10:57 (eighteen years ago)

We don't want them to be building sandcastles next week."

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:01 (eighteen years ago)

well, looks like the gang will be getting back together, going on the exec's quotes -- which is good.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

Planned ending date talks = smiling kit. I'd be distraught if L O S T did an X-Files.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, this can only be a good thing.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

haha I could totally watch a whole episode of Hurley and Desmond building a sandcastle.

― baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

"I think it should have a flag in the top, brother."

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

Honestly I don't see how they could do more than one more season. All of the first season mysteries have been solved, except for The Numbers.

a sandcastle episode would be better than the "sawyer kills a frog" one.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

thing i am most looking fwd to more than anything else is still proper appearance of Island Momus and explainings of the smokemonster (assuming they're related tho may well not be).

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

Island Momus! I'm going to be laughing at that one for a while. I'll be sad if they try to explain everything weird that's gone on instead of chalking it up to the island, but the smoke monster really needs to be addressed.

― mh. (mike h.), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

I wouldn't put it past LOST to have Desmond building a sandcastle for the first 5 minutes of a show and then like 10 episodes later they do one of those mountainous wide pan shots and surprise surprise there's a big version of what Desmond built, and then cut to Hurley "dude!". LOST.

― baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

I have never gone up to anyone famous before and asked to have my pic taken with them as it's always seemed a little sad, but I was terribly drunk and couldn’t help myself. I apologised for my drunken actions.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/338750776_b6fe7b4d46_m.jpg

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

has there been any talk, here, about kate and charlie getting engaged?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

not really. it's funny they're not on screen much together. i thought maybe the producers were like maybe it won't last.

All of the first season mysteries have been solved

right except the one about... everything! jack's dad. plane disappearing from radars. the others wanting the kid. rousseau's deal.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, wtf, there's loads from Season 1 still unexplained.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

locke's huntin' skeez.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

how The Black Rock got so far inland.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

and mainly was there a conspiracy to bring these particular people down that day.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

locke's legs what dun werk.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

jack is claire's bro?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

what happened to charlie, when ethan pwned him, that made him kill. (i still think charlie is an other or summat. it'd be boring if c-dog just wanted revenge.)

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

you mean he was an other when he was in driveshaft?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

naw, more michael-style, being turned. i did think this at the time anyway, maybe less now.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

and mainly was there a conspiracy to bring these particular people down that day.

if there was, Benry didn't seem to know about it.

i'm v confused about the 'lists' thing tho.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

we don't know what benry knows. but even then that doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

benry is no way gonna be Big Dogg for ever.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

we don't know what benry knows.

yeh yeh. they really didn't know the plane was going to crash, i'm convinced (and if they tried to flip this i'd be pissed off).

they did say they'd be returning to Michael and Walt (and Vincent of course yes the dog is definitely with him did you not see oh never mind) at some point too. picked up by pirates no doubt.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

i agree they didn't know the plane would crash, but benry doesn't need to know about the conspiracy for there to have been one, if there was one, etc. i think there was, because their pasts are all linking up.

but then benry knows more than he lets on, and the lists thing points to *some* kind of foreknowledge. example: does he really believe fate dumped (rubbish) spinal 'expert' jack on his island?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

Can't wait now, arrrgh.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

but then benry knows more than he lets on, and the lists thing points to *some* kind of foreknowledge. example: does he really believe fate dumped (rubbish) spinal 'expert' jack on his island?

"Don't confuse coincidence with fate" - the late great Mr Ecko

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

Now that Sky have got it, I'm almost tempted to dispense with the illegal acquisition of episodes and just watch it on telly like a good person. The picture's bigger, for one thing. But then, but then, I'd still have to wait a couple of weeks, and I don't know if I can.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

Also unsolved/unresolved from s1:

*radio tower, on the island, will we ever see it?
*"Adam and Eve", the skeletons in the caves

― baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

"Don't confuse coincidence with fate" - the late great Mr Ecko

yeah and look what happened to HIM.

i say don't confuse coincidence with VAST OMNIPRESENT CONSPIRACY.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

The picture's bigger, for one thing.

now i have laptop i might hook it up to TV. watching downloaded telly on my telly OMG111

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

This is a mistake when watching Lost, I've found. You miss details in the blocky transfer from laptop to TV. There's always too much happening in the murk. Hooking laptop up to TV only works for Gilmore Girls. Full of daytime scenes, rarely anyone lurking in the foliage.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

i am surprised i have not got the dvds.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

iirc, Eko isn't the only one to use the "coincidence/fate" line. But maybe my brane is warped.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

i agree kit but can't remember who else might've.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Desmond to Locke in "The Cost of Living".

― baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

deep

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

It's airing just one week after the USA on Sky One, and in HD! Definitely so much better than loptoppage. They're starting to do shows a lot closer to the U.S. date in the UK now. '24' starts on Jan 21st on Sky One, really close to the U.S. I think the torrents, etc. have actually started to make enough of a dent in ratings to make networks nervous.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

Huh, I totally thought you were from California, Ben.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

but not in take up of sky dishes. blimmin sky. 24 and LOST and prolly Battlestar again soon now. or something.

heroes is coming to scifi which is cable ok.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

I'm going to buy an Archos media player and sync it with the TV for big screen Lost action...

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

Sticking with torrents. I don't have Sky, and besides: ad breaks, fuck that.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

Huh, I totally thought you were from California, Ben.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), January 16th, 2007.

I am! But I moved to London a few months ago for my job, which is TV-y.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

how did eyepatch guy know that they were watching him on that camera? Is there another camera in the observation station that observes the observation, and eyepatch was watching that?

why were the films so insistent that the computer not be used for communication? what is the big deal? what was the prior incident? was that actually walt communicating with michael?

why was eko suddenly afraid of the smoke monster? when he first encountered it with charlie, he stared it down and it backed off. "I am not afraid of it" he said. what changed?

how did desmond's woman know to be checking for electromagnetic anomalies?

i wonder how far desmond can see into the future.

― A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

Is there another camera in the observation station that observes the observation, and eyepatch was watching that?

Yes. There is a camera in the Pearl Station, aimed at the observers' chairs, there is a very clear shot of it in the episode titled "?".

― baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

what changed with eko is he saw what he thought was his brother turn into the smoke monster

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

quick question from a season 1 guy:

did they ever answer what killed the pilot and where the polar bear came from?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

yes and yes

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

you know WHAT killed the pilot, but you don't exactly know WHAT is

you know why the polar bear is there

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

i mean, we can speculate what "what killed the pilot" is though

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

i have a theory:

it's a giant polar bear.

or a yeti.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

It's airing just one week after the USA on Sky One

Good news. In that case, yeah, who can be arsed torrenting?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

you know WHAT killed the pilot

Charlie even writes a song about it!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

"You all everybody"?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

Hahaha

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

man, i binged on lost and watched the entire show in a week. i feel kinda empty now. fuck waiting until february for the next episode.

i have to say i'm looking forward to having a weekly show to look forward to. i haven't had tv (i have a tv, just no cable or reception) for like 3 years, and i've missed the serial excitement thing.

― A. Lingbert (A. Lingbert), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:37 (eighteen years ago)

With torrents you lose the wtf moments when you get the ad break noise

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

i've missed the serial excitement thing.

I know, that was totally me when I started watching, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

these few months off are awesome. i'm a sucker for delayed gratification.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

Sky has video podcasts with Iain Lee and his team of nerds showing the "Lost Moments" that aired in the States, with little 30 second clips of future episodes...

www.skyone.co.uk/lost

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

Most of those LOST moments are kind of boring out of context (plus the one with Hurley and Locke looks mega-chopped/-edited), but there are at least one or two really good ones.

― a magical moment with unicorns dancing around you (nickalicious), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

LOST MOMENTS SPOILER:
The Jack-in-a-cage one with Stewardess Cindy talking to him was the freakout of the batch, I think.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

NO FUCKING WAY!!!!

HOW DID THEY CHOP THAT OUT?!?!?!

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

NINE DAYS

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)

I watched all of Lost in 2 weeks time, while reading the lost threads. And soon I shall be able to join in the fun! 9DAYS!

― Jibé (Jibé), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

i spoiled it for myself by watching all those Lost Moments clips.

are they ALL for real? hmph

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

Steve I was wondering the same thing myself; after the disinformation spoiler campaign the producers went on back in Sep/Oct 06, I wouldn't be surprised if they are intentionally airing things that will never actually air, just to throw us crazies off the scent.

That being said, I think the one with Vincent the dog is the most WTF of the bunch.

Oh yeah so hey guess what guys? NINE FUCKING DAYS!!!!!

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

Wha? I thought it was THIS Wednesday!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe they're doing one of those gussied-up clip show episodes? I am such a fucking LOST sucker I will watch that, too.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

they put WAY too many preview clips up on lostpedia. :(

i'm glad Vincent is still on the island. spoiling the Cindy thing this way tho totally sux (even tho we all knew it was coming i guess).

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

this way?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:41 (eighteen years ago)

I don't see where the Cindy spoils much of anything.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

The Sawyer/Jin and the arm thing are much much more spoiler-y actually.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

i'd rather not have seen it/heard about it until watching the episode. (xpost)

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

Well why did you watch the scenes from upcoming Lost episodes then haha?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

where do I go to watch the LOST moments clips???

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

i went to lostpedia

Well why did you watch the scenes from upcoming Lost episodes then haha?

IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ME AT ALL

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)

There will be a clip show, but it will air immediately preceding the new episode.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

I kind of think these clips are from the same (two?) episodes, judging by clothes and stuff.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 00:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah most of the Hurley stuff seems like it's from the one episode. The wild card is obv. Sawyer/Jin one (and maybe the weird Jack sex one) which seem totally unrelated to the rest.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 00:21 (eighteen years ago)

Jack sex one is in line with what we know about his next flashback though. A Jack-centric episode is sadface for me.

The Sawyer/Jin one is AWESOME.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 00:25 (eighteen years ago)

lawl they are definitely drinking DHARMA BEER

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 00:26 (eighteen years ago)

where do I go to watch the LOST moments clips???

www.skyone.co.uk/lost

Then download the Video podcasts... there are 2 editions, each with a batch of them, plus they are ipod-ready.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 00:27 (eighteen years ago)

Here are the first nine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxVIh6tKQaY

#10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqFOgwUah1I

#11

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 00:29 (eighteen years ago)

#11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvJL8fWO55c

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 00:29 (eighteen years ago)

Jack sex one is in line with what we know about his next flashback though. A Jack-centric episode is sadface for me.

It's with Bai Ling! I hope she wears a ton of crazy outfits like the ones she's sported on Go Fug Yourself, or else this will be a pretty dull episode.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 03:20 (eighteen years ago)

ok i can't read beyond 'spoiling the cindy thing' DO NOT WANT TO KNOW

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

i watched an episode from season two last night in German and man did they give Sawyer the pussiest voice

― jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I'd like to ask you guys a completely useless question that's been nagging me for a long time (that is what defines Lost after all) and which I've barely seen adressed on these threads. If I remember correctly, Rousseau's daughter was taken away from her when she was only a few weeks old, at best a few months old.
Soooo, how come the Others have also named her Alex? Where they spying on Rousseau all along and heard her shouting madly for "My Alex"? Also, how come Alex is so defiant in the face of the Others, I mean, she must have been raised by them for as long as she remembers, right? I guess she must have figured out that she had been kidnapped a long time back when she saw that Walt had been taken too. Maybe she's figured out that the Others are actually evil people (yeah, that she has, they're after her BF!).

― Jibé (Jibé), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

Rousseau was probably all "noooo don't take my Alex"

I hope there's a hilarious 'ladyboy' sequence with Jack.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 10:46 (eighteen years ago)

All of the Lost Moments can be found here (as embedded YouTube vids):

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Lost_Moments

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

ok i gave in. the cindy reveal is the most ungh thing ever.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

i know we don't have to watch them

but really, why make them (so many, that reveal this much) at all?

EIGHT DAYS

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

I hope there's a hilarious 'ladyboy' sequence with Jack.

Now that would be fun.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for that, I'd only seen the one with Cindy(!) so far! We have to wait 4 days longer than the US to see the new episodes, not quite long enough to justify going to the trouble of torrenting them!

xpost

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

and now we get the top gear, 24, lost sunday evening holy trinity

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

not quite long enough to justify going to the trouble of torrenting them!

It's totally worth the trouble when you see this thread explode with new messages and you can't open it for fear of spoilers.

I'm not watching the moments things, I think I've learned too much already from skimming here.

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

wise imo

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

I've been jonesing for so long, I'm snatching up every bit I can get my hands on.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

Eko's death keeps bugging me. Having him go thru but come thru the hatch implosion and polar bear abduction like that only to bump him off at third attempt. Although I was grateful for smokemonster fix I will be missing him a lot for the rest of the season.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Also, how come Alex is so defiant in the face of the Others, I mean, she must have been raised by them for as long as she remembers, right?

Teenage rebellion?

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

it pisses me off too, and i don't even like the smokemonster. also if it had been a straight 22-ep run-through the n00bies would be acceptable, but within the sixer, they remained utterly pointless.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

and i don't even like the smokemonster.

fucking idiot

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

i know you are you said you are

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:24 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z_zVROAdLU

"Nobody's Watching" -- not sure if anybody's linked to this yet on this thread.

― do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

Having him go thru but come thru the hatch implosion and polar bear abduction like that only to bump him off at third attempt.

Considering Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje asked to be written off the show, I thought they handled it very poetically/effectively. I personally would rather he still be on and they had never plopped the good-looking newbs into the mix, but the power is just not mine to make such choices.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

Although I do get more frustrated the more I think about the polar bear abduction as nothing more really than a plot device to get Locke on some crazy island hallucinogens. I would've preferred he decide to trip balls JUST BECAUSE.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

BTW...ONE WEEK.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

I have lost (haha, do you see what I did there) interest in this, partially due to big mid-season gap, mostly due to discovering HEROES in the intervening period. Keep making me care, kindly folks of ILX.

(I accidentally saw some of the clip preview thingies on Sky One, they revealed too much without actually making me want to watch the next series. That can't be right. The Cindy thing = ARGH, as people have said)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

TWO DAYS. TWO MOTHERFUCKING DAYS.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

BTW don't forget it doesn't air until TEN PM EST now. (We have moved "band practice" to Wed night so that the excruciatingly long hours leading up to it won't be quite so excruciating.)

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

WTF with the TEN O'CLOCK showing?
Is that so people will be FORCED to watch some new lame show? Invasion fared poorly, coming on AFTER Lost.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

What is the 9:00 show, anyways? Maybe it'll be good. After all—Lost was the show on after Alias, or before, or whatever, once upon a time.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

Dumb article by a fed-up TV critic.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

"ABC said Friday repeats of the comedies "George Lopez" and "According to Jim" will air in the 9 p.m. EST time slot that "Day Break" held only briefly."

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

SITCOM RERUNS??????

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

ABC, I KILL YOU.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

I think the primary reason for the 10 PM slot is so it doesn't have to compete with American Idol anymore. It sucks though. Also, this show has almost always gone a couple minutes over 1 hour (gotta squeeze in that "next week on LOST bit"), which I don't think will be an option anymore (as they usually break to local news at 11 sharp, don't they?).

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

WTF with the TEN O'CLOCK showing?

Criminal Minds was starting to kill Lost in the ratings department. Plus, it moves it out of the way of the American Idol results show.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

Well the spoilerphobes will be glad if there's no "next week on Lost" for us to talk about.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

or we can just start making up our own.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

NEXT WEEK...ON "L O S T":

*shot of Hurley taking off shirt set to "Let's Get It On", Jack smiling expectantly*
Locke shouting: "DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!!" to Sayid *camera pans down to backgammon board*

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

Kate and Sawyer escape the Others, only to find this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Statue_of_Liberty_in_Planet_of_the_Apes.jpg

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

Can I get away with not being some kind of Braggy McJackass if I say that I just finished watching ep. 7 (and it's amazing)? Ailsa... don't bail just yet. You'll soon have plenty to get you back into it all.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

^^^^ you suck.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

SO EXCITED NOW.
need for new pants imminent.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

I wish I could invite you guys over to watch @ my house on my roomy's freakishly large tv! Well I guess I technically could invite you guys over, but my feelings won't be hurt if none of you come.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

Starting to get excited, a bit. Too! Much! Telly!

(I am going to not download, instead wait until Sunday till it's on telly over here - this will last until, ooh, Saturday when I have to sit in a car/pub/football stadium with Onimo for about four hours and he'll be all "woah, Lost was brilliant, you'll never guess what happened to Hurley, OMGWTF" etc, and I kill him. So I might download it after all)

Nickalicious, I would LOVE to come round your house and watch it, but you're half-way across the world. Next time I'm passing, I'll pop in though. I'll bring beer and everything!

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

damn u tbh nickalicious, i won't enjoy watching it anymore, knowing that i could rly b watching with u on yr roomies bigtelly omgz:((((

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

k, that sounds hella sarcastic, but that wasn't my intention. sry.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

I love my girlfriend:

Hey, guess what? We get to watch "Lost" on Wednesday! I will need some kind of refresher as to what happened during the last episode. What do you say to a "Lost"-themed dinner?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, you're totally eating fishbiscuits and making out in a cage dude. And now WE ALL KNOW ABOUT IT.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

I just realized, I bought a mango the other day!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

haha I just realized how much "eating fishbiscuits" sounds like secret code for cunnylingus.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

After re-reading this thread, I'm suddenly and horribly reminded that Paolo and Nikki still exist. Dammit.

― Roz (Roz), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 08:39 (eighteen years ago)

jaymc has a grilfreind

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 13:12 (eighteen years ago)

I now hope a forthcoming episode somehow features Rosemary Clooney's 'Mangos'.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

That article is irritating. The writer took this: "'If it was 11 or 15 years, God, we really hope that we're doing something different by then,' Lindelof said. 'But if we get to tell the story that we want to tell, in the time we think it should be told, we're the guys that absolutely want to do it.'" and decided that it meant that the writers intended the show to run eleven years and then had a shit fit about it. But I don't think the writers were saying that at all. I think they were saying that IF the show ran that long, they would have to rethink their plans but if they get to do it how they want (which is impliedly fewer than eleven seasons), then they can make it work.

― Steve Guttenberg's Midnight Runner (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

the writer doesn't even know why there are polar bears on the island

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

but that was totally explained already.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

I am worried that tomorrow is the big 'Jack's tattoos' episode.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

I think this ep is supposed to be a Juliet flashback episode.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah the producers confirmed it. The Jack episode is third or fourth in line.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

sweet (re Juliet)

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

but that was totally explained already.

why are you ending my sentences?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

It would be a bit disheartening for them to come back w/Jack and Bai Ling.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

I saw a commercial a couple days ago with Desmond saying to someone (unknown) "no matter what I do, you die"!!!!!

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

that episode is going to take all my willpower to watch. I'm pretty much over hour-long sessions of "lol u guise jack is a creepy dick"

xpost.

I hope he was saying that to a dead body.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

I'm still scratching my head over them casting Bai Ling. The woman is more well known for her appearances on gofugyourself than any acting she's ever done.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

She get nekkid real easy and cheap!

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

She's actually reprising her role as the villainess from Sky Captain.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Bai Ling? I thought that was a joke!

Wow.

― Steve Guttenberg's Midnight Runner (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Damon Lindelof probably has a major boner for her, I bet they wrote in the whole Jack's Adventures In Thailand thing from day 1 just as an excuse to have her on set.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

dude she is so gross. way too skinny. also dresses like a cracked out japanese schoolgirl.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

perhaps she will link to ISLAND MOMUS11!!!1!!

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

THINGS I HOPE TO SEE TOMORROW:

*Ethan in flashbacks
*Tom Fake Beardy guy crying at mean old Jack
*any Locke/Sayid action (doesn't seem likely though)
*Kate finally remembering she is kind of a badass

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

fuck it i have to move house at some point and internets access will be imperilled :(

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

*Kate and Swayer racing away from Others Island on the back of sea turtles

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

Too excited to communicate properly.

― teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

there's a new "sneak peek" clip up at ABC's LOST site...it basically gives away who shoots at the Others chasing Kate and Sawyer and why.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

TOMORROW

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

thanks

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

It feels like it should be Wednesday today, this week is going on far too long.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

TWELVE

HOURS

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

ABOUT THIRTY HOURS BUT STILL OMFG PLZ 2 HAEV TEIM MACIHNE

― teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Thank you, ILX. I was somewhat indifferent to the return of Lost until you started posting in this thread in anticipation and now I'm kind of excited, too.

― Steve Guttenberg's Midnight Runner (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

My wee "Internets working" light on my modem was dead this morning when I left for work. I anticipate and evening of fighting with evil NTL call centres demons before I can get my LOST fix :(

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just remembering that feeling you get when you've just watched that first five minutes of a new episode and then the L O S T title screen comes up and you get more pumped in the next 3 minutes of commercial than any other time in your life because you know OMG I'VE GOT NEW EPISODE ON THE PLATE.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

also now that i have a laptop i can watch it in BED in my polar bear covered jimmy jams.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

I'm going to be out tonight, but I'm not going to record it. Reading the thread will catch me up, anyway.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

plz tell me you really have polar bear jimjams (then tell me where you got them)

― teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

got em from the same place i got my official island momus eye patch

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

the hospital...?

― teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

LOL I might wear my eyepatch & polar bear jammies tonight except I want both eyes free to watch for EMPORTAUNT CLEWS.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

get a free jack tattoo with your sawyer home pacemaker insertion kit

(now i am reading that as 'freejack tattoo')

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

lol, Freejack tattoo would be a real "why the fuck...?" tattoo after about 2 hours.

All this talk of polar bear PJs and IslandMomus patches has made me realise that despite it being my birthday next week, I haven't organised any kind of L O S T themed party. Fucking idiot tbh. One chance a year.

― teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

have the party when the season finale happens.

i want Lost viewing party but that's part of the downloading trade-off i guess (also not having enough local friends who are into it).

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, same problem here, kinda. Everyone I know that's into L O S T either watches on UKTV or are still catching up from my DVD boxsets and burns of S3 (currently scattered around 3 different homes iirc).

― teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

My personal biggest problem with LOST parties is people end up talking during the episode/I end up throwing them out/etc.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

Argh must remember not to click on thread til Sunday...

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

fuck that nick. i think i'd make everyone gag themselves jack/kate/sawayer/hurley style until it was over.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

I hate people talking during L O S T.

I occasionally succumb to that horrible passive-aggressive thing of pointedly getting the remote and rewinding to the point just before someone spoke. If people call you out on such cuntery you can always claim you thought you saw a Dharma logo on the wall/shark/Benry's eyeball.

― case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

Bai Ling is only in one episode (not tonight's, don't worry), and she's perfect for it.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

that's not cuntery, O, that's completely understandable.

― teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

I can be cuntery, it's all about how you do it. See I could just say "can I just rewind that a wee bit as I think I missed something while we were discussing Sawyer's weird pecs?" but usually I just hold the remote in a pointed "LOOK I'M REWINDING BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE ALL COCKS BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING!"

― case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

I'm guaranteed to throw a hissy fit at the end, demanding more.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

That goes without saying, every week!

Omino, as L O S T is involved, I can barely differentiate between those two scenarios.

― teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

I forgot sometimes I pause it as well and give it an "ARE YOU QUITE FINISHED?" look. I'm an asshole hahaha!

― case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

Nope, still see nothing wrong there.

― teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

You can come watch L O S T at my place if you're ever in the neighbourhood :)

― case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

BUT NO TALKING.
I'm totally with you, Onimo. I'm the only one allowed to talk.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

I will allow for any of the following without actual house banning:

a. gasps
b. exclamations of discovery ("aha!")
c. NERF suction darts to be fired at wherever on screen Jack is

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

I'm totally with you, Onimo. I'm the only one allowed to talk.

Yeah, that's my rule. I can talk, because I know when I can allow myself some distraction. Anyone else talks = AARRRRRGGGHHHHHHH SHUT UP I'M WATCHING THIS. I also do the pointedly obvious remote control thing and the "are you quite finished?" routine. Except I actually SAY "are you quite finished?" in what I imagine is a really mean tone of voice.

Anyway, yo, later today at some point. This had better not be shit.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

I'm glad it's going to be on later so the kids are most definitely going to be asleep before the TV comes alive with the sounds of bears and monsters and gunshots and all that.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

I thought of you when they announced the later time, Maria.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

Are you guys going to have a throng at your house?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

SIX HOURS

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think we're doing a big gathering because Donald is still under the weather, and also, several people actually have jobs where they have to show up at a specific hour the next morning.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

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― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry to hear Donald's still unwell. I hope he feels better soon. Maybe I should make chicken soup Friday?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, people have jobs?

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

OMG!!!! CALAMITY JANE KNOCKED UP!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 03:46 (eighteen years ago)

YOU GUYS MY TV HAS SUDDENLY LOST ALL RECEPTION

― grbchv! (skowly), Thursday, 8 February 2007 03:57 (eighteen years ago)

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!
They say you can watch tonight's episode on the website tomorrow.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

Or I can tell you what happened, but that would be wrong.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:02 (eighteen years ago)

SPOILERS

Did anyone catch the name of the company that was recruiting Juliet? I thought I saw Mittelronics or something. Mittel = Mittelwerk = Hanso associate = The Others ARE DHARMA-affiliated?

Also, what was the significance of "God loves you as he loved Jacob"?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

drum and bass room

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

We lost our remote and couldn't mute the ads. It was like being in the drum and bass room then.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:05 (eighteen years ago)

Did everyone just go straight to bed? Sheesh!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:16 (eighteen years ago)

no, they are watching the show, duh.

BLOGGER

(i want to watch on TELEVISION, not my dumb computer)

― grbchv! (skowly), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:17 (eighteen years ago)

The show is over, duh. On the East coast, where one or two ILXors are known to live.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:20 (eighteen years ago)

oh, i am in a mountain time zone

― grbchv! (skowly), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:27 (eighteen years ago)

i watched at work. don't tell anyone. lots to chew on! or chew over. or something. i saw that bus thing coming a mile away lemmetellya.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:28 (eighteen years ago)

the bus thing ruled.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:29 (eighteen years ago)

SHUT UP

― grbchv! (skowly), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)

Not our fault you have tv troubles, mountain man. Don't read the thread!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:37 (eighteen years ago)

BUS THING BUS THING BUS THING BUS THING BUS THING

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:37 (eighteen years ago)

i'm sorry.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:38 (eighteen years ago)

loved that bus. BLAMMO!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:42 (eighteen years ago)

but srly just watch it and then come here.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:43 (eighteen years ago)

it's even on the internet right now. probably.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:43 (eighteen years ago)

Loved the bus thing and the dialogue from Jerky Ex-Husband right before hand to his mother.

The room where Karl was being kept was really creepy. It reminded me of A Clockwork Orange, with different music.

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 8 February 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)

definitely showed how creepy those dudes can be.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 05:03 (eighteen years ago)

The glasses especially creeped me out. Okay, and the notion that someone could be kept drugged and subjected to that state...

(Also I'm thrilled to not have a class on Wednesday nights so that I can actually watch when it comes on and not have to make myself not open this thread every time it pops up.)

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 8 February 2007 05:07 (eighteen years ago)

that room was fucking retarded and cliched

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 05:26 (eighteen years ago)

I thought when they woke up carl he was gonna say, "man I am rolling so hard"

thought the episode was pretty good!

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 8 February 2007 05:42 (eighteen years ago)

Did anyone catch the name of the company that was recruiting Juliet?

Mittelos. there's already a website. don't know if it's fan-run or what.

that room was fucking retarded and cliched

OTM. my hope now is that he'll be like... "cell? oh, you mean my room?" and those glasses were like those things nerds were wearing in the 90s as an example of THE FUTUUUURE... synchronizers or something?

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:53 (eighteen years ago)

I thought that Karl's Klaxons Nu-Rave Ludovico Treatment Fest was genuinely creepy, even if that kind of thing has been seen before... his crossed-eyes and running nose were freaky deaky.
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Sawyer saying 'Ooh, tell him I said 'hi!' when Kate is on the walkie with Jack was hilarious, as was 'you fell for the wookie prisoner gag.'
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Juliet's husband was named Edmund Burke, right? Not that I actually know enough about any of the philosophers that they namecheck, but I can spot the ones whose names I recognize, for what that's worth.
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Holy shit, I didn't even place Juliet's sister as Calamity Jane until that post up thread! She looked way different.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 8 February 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know why Deadwood is migrating to L O S T, but I want more! Sweagin! To L O S T! Now! (Also, Trixie migrated from Deadwood to L O S T to ER - and she died on ER! i don't know what makes producers want to kill her so much.)
Once again, this thread pleases more than the actual episode - but maybe I should watch it again.
A good friend came over last night, pre- L O S T, and i thought he was going to stay for the season premiere BUT - we loaned him the DVD's for the first two seasons, and he hasn't watched season two!
(Shakes head in dismay).
I was basically, like, Thel, I love you, but we can't really talk until you get your priorities straight. (He's in his last semester of an intense RN degree program, so I should cut him a little slack.)

it was pretty good. Not as great as I had hoped. I will always love this thread more than the show!

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

speaking of HBO shows, another Oz actor was on that. dude that caught a bus.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 8 February 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

lots of revelations and hints, the most interesting to me being...

rapid aging! the worst lost hypothesis gets some support.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

rapid aging! the worst lost hypothesis gets some support.

eh?

not sure how I'm feeling about it so far. there's so much crammed in!

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

in that room just as they were leaving with boyfriend, a face came up on the screen behind them. let me know if any fanatics do a screen capture. someone with black hair and maybe a beard? it all happened so fast.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

this new time is definitely not going to help me. This show's way too dense for my, "end of the night, already had a couple of glasses of wine and am knitting" tv viewing. :(

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

scott - my first thought was degroot. but it was really fast.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

haha I loved the brainwashing music, I was worried when that scene began, but I think having Sawyer fall hypnotized to it as well was a good touch. It kind of sucks that Alex didn't go with them.

THINGS I HOPE TO SEE TOMORROW:
*Ethan in flashbacks
*Tom Fake Beardy guy crying at mean old Jack
*any Locke/Sayid action (doesn't seem likely though)
*Kate finally remembering she is kind of a badass

This was pleasing. I was tired of her being all "no I'm a big baby, don't hurt my Sawyee Wawyee" when she in the past has been a complete face-stomper.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

I think the Jack & Tom scenes were my favorite part of this episode, actually.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

black hair and maybe a beard?

It was totally Gerald DeGroot.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

Oh also - LOST vs Grey's Anatomy - 2 shows, 2 Dr Shephards, 2 Dr Burkes...LOLZ.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

TOM IS TEH BEST.

After the wookiee line and Sawyer's "tell him I said hi," "BTW, I'm Tom" was my third-favorite line of the episode.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

Did anybody read Benry's lips while he and Juliette were talking?

Also, is it really possibly to wake up in the middle of spinal surgery and not immediately start screaming in terrible pain?

― Steve Guttenberg's Midnight Runner (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

i was thinking Jack was reading them and wanted him to tell us what Ben said!

perhaps he had local anthesia too?

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

you people have lost your minds

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

also no one put together that juliet is the one who impregnated sun

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

Also, is it really possibly to wake up in the middle of spinal surgery and not immediately start screaming in terrible pain?
-- Steve Guttenberg's Midnight Runner (rabbitrabbi...) (webmail), Today 9:03 AM. (pullapartgirl) (later) (link)

i would say yes. when i had my appendix taken out over 20 years ago i woke up during the surgery but i couldn't move or speak or do anything. but i was SEVERELY freaked out.

― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Juliet also definitely had something to do with Claire's abduction and whatever the hell they were doing to her while she was in their custody.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

also no one put together that juliet is the one who impregnated sun

haha when I first read this what I pictured involved a strap-on

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

Did anybody else besides me recognize BAT MANUEL?

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

ME ME ME ME.

At first I thought he was Mittelwerk from webgame but then I was like "OH SNAP BAT MANUEL"

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

also no one put together that juliet is the one who impregnated sun

whatt??

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

are we watching the same show?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

SUN WAS KIDNAPPED
JIN HAS BAD PENIS
JULIET IS IMPREGNATING GENIUS
=

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

she also was having an affair which is how I assummed she became pregnant.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

Sun was kidnapped by Charlie.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

but if it was her husband with the bad goods, why would she need an impregnating genius?

so confused. . .

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

CLEARLY THE OTHERS BRIBED CHARLIE WITH SWEET SWEET SMACK AND HE KIDNAPPED SUN AND IMPREGNATED HER!!!!!*

* = JOEKS

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

BAT MANUEL is also in Smokin' Aces, which means fuck all, but yeah! (Where's Dina Meyer!?!?!)

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

this was really good, faith in show restored. Juliet is more interesting than most of the original characters.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah, why was she trying to impregnate her cancer-ridden sister?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

xpost - I wondered that too, I kind of assumed she (her sister) had ovarian cancer

An infuriating new question though - how did Juliet actually come to be on the island? Plane, boat crash, magic carpet ride, acid-induced teleportation? Also, she has been there about the same length of time as Desmond, is it possible they arrived on the same day?

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

b/c she had trouble having children/had no partner and wanted a kid? Although I thought it was ethically questionable for the sis to have a kid depending on how sick she is.

I'm not saying there may not be a connection btw Sun and Juliet down the line but right now, not enough for it.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, the company obviously sent her there. Hence the line, "Actually we aren't in Portland." xpost

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Boy, yeah, I was uncomfortable when the sister sobbed out that her whole life she'd always wanted to have a baby and then talked about getting healthy so she can see it go to an Ivy League school. I'm thinking, "Get healthy so you can carry the kid to term, maybe? And then, what are the odds, really?" I mean, Juliette knocked up a male mouse but he never delivered, you see?

The fact that Juliette worked so hard to impregnate her cancer-ridden sister, who seemed to have no clue about the difficulties that lie ahead (I mean, was she having CHEMO? That seems like a bad time to get preggers, no?) but instead was just so so so happy... well, it suggests that Juliette is a bit of a horrible person.

When Ed, um, caught the bus I thought for a second that Juliette had somehow wished it into existence and that maybe she was responsible for the airplane landing on the island. But I don't think that any more.

― Steve Guttenberg's Midnight Runner (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

how do people feel about the show people saying that they tailor plot-lines based on stuff that they read on fan-sites and message boards? any opinion about this kind of "interactivity"? i confess it makes me a little nervous cuz i do so want to believe that they know where the hell they are going. i think a big example is ben who was only supposed to be in three episodes until he created interweb furor. anyway, they have been quoted as saying that they do this.

in which case: MORE CAGE SEX AND ACTION JACKSON KATE/SAWYER KUNG FU HIJINX PLEASE.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, the company obviously sent her there. Hence the line, "Actually we aren't in Portland."

Yes yes but how did they physically get her there? By what means did Bat Manuel and Ethan actually get her TO the island?

xpost also make Tom a regular, flashback having character, he is becoming as much a fan favorite as Hurley once was

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

please no more cage sex

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

ehhh I don't see how the two ideas (that they know where it's going ultimately and that they bow to fan pressure) can't co-exist? I mean, they can know what's up with the island/why the plane crashed/etc. and still change exactly how that information is revealed. The decision to keep Ben could have easily been "well let's NOT have Ana-Lucia kill him and just let him escape." xxpost

Cutty OTM re cage sex.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

i do so want to believe that they know where the hell they are going.

They have no clue where they're going. Hence all the Kate/Sawyer/Jack stuff. they need time to think up more mythology shit.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Cage sex seems so depressing when there's so much crazy beach/jungle/hatch sex to be had.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

ANIMALS POOPED IN THOSE CAGES.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

what was up with tom's "ever since the sky turned purple" line during the surgery? so casual and off the cuff that it was extra creepy.

― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

Cage sex looks like it would smell a zoo. And cause infection.

OH also, after Sawyer slammed that dudes head into the fish biscuit button like, a million times, didn't he fall to the ground twitching? And then the next scene he's sitting up, rubbing his head like he bumped it getting out of the car? I thought that was a little dishonest.

― Steve Guttenberg's Midnight Runner (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

lmao NEXT TIME ON LOST: Kate gets a wicked bad UTI!

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

how do people feel about the show people saying that they tailor plot-lines based on stuff that they read on fan-sites and message boards?

The guard was named after me, obviously.

― I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

just the thought of the writers sitting around and wondering how they can make the karl discovery interesting...

and coming up with drum and bass room and neon glasses?

fucking morans

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

what was up with tom's "ever since the sky turned purple" line during the surgery?

is he referring to the magentic explosion thing?

remind me what else he was saying then.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

Cage sex is the hottest sex scene ever captured on film.

And I'm still not mad at Tribal-Gathering-Karl-Hypercolor-Droog-a-Palooza. It was dumb in theory but pretty cool in execution, I think!

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

After I stopped snickering at the mpreg mouse line, the "Oh, Juliet knocked up Sun" realization was immediate. Edmund Burke - ha. Purple sky, cool. I loved when Burke got totally plowed by a bus and then they show him in the morgue and he's got, like, bad acne road rash as the only visible injury on his head. Hello. His head would have been mango squash. Just sayin'.

Where's Sayid?
Where's Locke?
Where's Desmond? (WHERE'S DESMOND?)
Where's Charlie?
Where are Sun and Jin?
Where are Rose and Bernard?
Where are Claire and the Turniphead, even?
And most of all, WHERE'S HURLEY?

The Jack (Oh mah darlin precious so-tortured Jack *flutter*), Kate (yeah, she's a bad mama jama; I get it), Sawyer (He was cool at first but he's getting more annoying by the episode), Others (bleh) Show is damn dull.

Here's an idea: Spin that stuff off into a new series. Call it LOST II or some such shit. And let the original series go back to being about the original cast. Just a thought.

Color me grumpy.

― Hey Lost Jude (Hey Jude), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

I thought Room 23 was super-intense and awesome. Sure, that kind of thing has been seen before, but it was still creepy.

Jude -- pretty sure that the rest of the cast will be back next week. They needed this episode to finally get off Alcatraz (except for Jack).

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

I hope that, whatever happens, Tom and Hurley get to play a game of golf together eventually.

"Dude, aren't you the guy who, like, took Walt and blew up the raft?"
"Yeah...howsabout a fishbiscuit?"

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

Aldo was reading A Brief History of Space and Time by the way.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

nothing creepy about it--the others should have a more creative way to brainwash someone that hasn't already been done.

just him sitting in a white, stark, well-lit room with ominous repeating voices and no music would have been more effective.

remember how creepy it was when you first heard the french woman on the walkie talkie? they should be aiming to repeat that as much as possible.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, just because I'm curious, give me examples of when that's been done before. I don't actually think I've seen it, but I also have a feeling that I haven't watched stuff like that.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

Haven't you ever been to a rave, jaymc?

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

ALSO: What about Juliet refering to Ben(I assumed) as Alex's father???? Ben and Rousseau? Rouseau wrecked on the island 17 years ago and...had affair with Ben? Who "lived all his life" on the island? And later, Rousseau caught Ben in her net, and there wasn't any dialogue between them, just her warnings to the losties that he was a lying sack 'o shit. If he was Alex's dad wouldn't she have wanted to put the thumbscrews to him personally?

Somebody clear this all up, please!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

I thought it was some kind of homage to A Clockwork Orange, anyway.

xpost I think he is her adoptive father and has raised her since they took her from Rousseau...they may have her believing he is her birth-father though.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

alex probably has no idea that rousseau is her mother

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

jaymc has never seen a clockwork orange?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

also boat scene from charlie and the chocolate factory

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

i like how alex looks so much like her mom!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

i like how alex looks

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

rapid aging! the worst lost hypothesis gets some support.

eh?

"this woman is around 70"
"actually she's 27"
"how did this happen?"
"come work with us and you'll find out"
(paraphrasing)

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

Alex is fucking gorgeous. And of course, stupid me. They're not telling her the truth!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

I've seen A Clockwork Orange.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, just because I'm curious, give me examples of when that's been done before. I don't actually think I've seen it, but I also have a feeling that I haven't watched stuff like that.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), February 8th, 2007 11:09 AM. (jaymc) (later)

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

Ah! The magnetic force brings on early menopause! Then why aren't all the female losties hot-flashing like a house afire?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

Jaymc - Thanks for that flicker of hope. I'll hang on til next week's ep, then.

Cutty - Amen. Creepy is good. They're not having so much creepy of late.

Oh, and the brainwashing scene is pretty much a straight lift from "A Clockwork Orange," with slightly updated technology. And drum and bass instead of Beethoven.

― Hey Jude (Hey Jude), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

That room would have broken me in about five minutes. I was relieved when they got out of there.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

Also very similar brainwashing scene in The Island - a Michael Bay film.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

after that scene i referred to him at k-hole karl

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Jude, if they showed all the cast members on every episode, it would look like the film in the brainwashing room!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

I love "The Island."

How do they do it in 1984? Just with his fear of rats.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

A really really good episode in my opinion. All the characters returned to what they did best (Kate being a badass, Jack being confused, Sawyer being sarcastic) plus an intriguing flashback and the very lovable Tom interjecting here and there.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

Doesn't the US do the loud music/sleep deprivation thing in Guantanamo Bay?

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I know what I said, Cutty. I don't really remember A Clockwork Orange that well. Plus, you make it sound like the sensory-overload room is a staple of TV/film, rather than a rip-off of one famous example.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Doesn't the US do the loud music/sleep deprivation thing in Guantanamo Bay?

Yeah. Actually, that was my first thought. I was like, they're torturing him, and my girlfriend said, "Or at the very least brainwashing him." And I was like, "Oh. Yeah."

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

don't post on any more film threads

also you and your girlfriend sound like a couple of sharp knives over there on the couch

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

xxxpost I thought that said "sheep deprivation"

maybe people are complaining about the brainwash thing b/c it seemed kind of lazy? The Others are creepy and diabolical what are they up to? Oh, they're just brainwashing people with crazy montages.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

Settle down, you two, and ponder instead the delights of Tom's coarse facial skin. He looks like he dipped his face in cake batter and let it dry.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

x-post cutty and jaymc, not you ms. m. You slipped in there after I hit submit.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

i'm good at that.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

jaymc: they're like, torturing him!!!
jaymc grilfreind: Or at the very least brainwashing him?
jaymc: oh, yeah.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

Hey, I'm trying to be honest rather than impressing you with my comprehensive knowledge and witty insights. I don't know why you're trying to start beef.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

Cutty, if you don't stop it you're not getting invited to Jaymc's birthday party!
I'm telling you, that room would work like a charm on us old folks. Locke would be their bitch instantaneously.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

yeah cutty I'm also bewildered by your flaming jaymc on a innocent LOST thread.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

xpost, I think Sawyer was moments away from being their bitch.

I'd like to see sayed in the brainwash room.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

Sayid DESIGNED the brainwash room!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

always make fun of jaymc when appropriate

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

xxxpost I thought that said "sheep deprivation"

only works on scotsmen.

― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, Sayid's more of a hands-on man. Maybe they brought him to the island because their old brainwash-room method of bitchmaking used too much electricity. Back to Basics!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

Hey, Beth - True, on the cramming every character into every episode front. Would get a little crowded. I'm just glad they seem to be moving on from their (oral?) fixation with the Terrible Toddler Trio.

And whoa, dead on about Tom's skin. What's up with that? Maybe he's got an allergic reaction to the glue that holds the beard on. Sometimes.

He was kinda sweet, by the way. Definitely (along with the mpreg mouse) the highlight of the episode.

― Hey Jude (Hey Jude), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

Watch the next character to get pregnant be CHARLIE.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

well, if that flashback proved anything, it proved that juliet is no evil super-genius a la ben. she's just as freaked out about stuff as everyone else. meaning, now we know for sure at least that she's no evil other overlord just pretending to be all vunerable.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

True, on the cramming every character into every episode front. Would get a little crowded.

the wire does not seem to have a problem with this

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

but we don't know what her "history" with Ben is. Maybe she has conspired with him in diabolical deeds to try and win her freedom.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

Are you kidding? They banished McNulty et al to the back burner for the entire second season!
The way Juliet doubled over after Ben talked to her made me think he had told her something about her sister.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

That second season of the Wire is one of the things that makes it great. That they'd follow a tangent so thoroughly. Very Moby Dick.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

ms m. you did it again! Damn, you're quick!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

There should be a way of splitting the screen up into grids. Over here, the Cutty-Jaymc feud, over here the debate about packing episodes with characters, etc.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

no feud, just making fun of jaymc and his girlfriend

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah, why was she trying to impregnate her cancer-ridden sister?

My thought, given her previous attempt to impregnate a male mouse, was that her sister might be a transexual. In which case, her becoming pregnant would be as remarkable as they all appear to find it.

― Oblivious Lad. (Oblivious Lad), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe she had some sort of reproductive cancer? It would make sense for the pregnancy to be "miraculous" if her ovaries or uterus were missing.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

uterus were missing.

if this turns out to be true, or if Charlie becomes pregnant, I'm so not watching anymore.

I actually briefly considred the transsexual thing.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't seen season 4 of the Wire, no spoilahs please. (I didn't see anything, just the words "The Wire," and got worried.)

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't seen it either. No HBO. I wait for the DVDs.

A transexual with cancer!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

I just thought it was -- you have cancer, if you die because of my mad unethical treatment it's not such a big deal, you were gonna die anyway

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

am I remembering wrong, or did we already know (or, uh, "know") that Alex was Ben's daughter

that didn't seem like new info to me, but I'm not sure

― dmr (Renard), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

I think we always assumed that the Others raised Alex, and since Ben has been on the island his whole life, it's not really a surprise that she would be told that he was her father.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

It's unfair to compare ANY TV show - even LOST - to 'The Wire', so let's drop all of that.

As for the debate over whether or not there are a million movies with captive brainwashing scenes, the point is that there is one massive one, as mentioned dozens of times already: 'A Clockwork Orange' - and the Ludovico Treatment stuff is a cultural touchstone. It's not like the writers DIDN'T assume that everyone would instantly think of that.

I think we still don't know enough about what the Others were doing to Karl - punishing him/brainwashing him/experimenting on him/etc. - to issue a final judgment on whether or not that sequence was lazy.

Besides, I think that style of 'Hit by a Bus' shock-shot has been done more times than anything else on the show so far (with 'Final Destination,' 'Scary Movie 4,' 'Stranger Than Fiction,' and several TV commercials coming to mind off the top of my head).

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

"Mean Girls" too!

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, yeah, Jesus - that was a huge one.

This one was pretty badly telegraphed. Surely a huge chunk of people raised an eyebrow at Juliet's 'Gosh, I couldn't work for you unless... I don't know... my ex-husband was HIT by a BUS or something!'

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

She called Ben 'dad' in "I Do" when she was slingshotting people in the face. And then when he was going under he asked Juliet if Alex had asked about him.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone notice the Jacob namedrop in the brainwashing sequence?

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if Aldo was named in honor of Aldo Kelrast?

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, although I'm now realizing the implications of the past tense in "God loves you as he loved Jacob" = Jacob's probably no longer alive. (When was "Jacob's list" written?)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

(Also, I would've gone for the Parallax View over Clockwork Orange.)

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

Jude was harshing my buzz last night with all the hate on Jack/Kate/Sawyer, good to see the rest of ILE has got her a little more revved up for next week. BUT MUCH MORE OF THIS HATIN' AND WE'LL HAVE TO WATCH IN SEPARATE ROOMS, 'KAY?

― Tuesdays With Morimoto (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

Not the best, but this was a pretty good episode - I was so scared of being disappointed this week.

Um, about whether the Others are Dharma or not - the lab Edmund Burke runs (where she stole the pregnancy treatment) had a Dharma logo above the swipecard reader. It was really quick, I nearly didn't catch it.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

Nice to see Kate and Alex together again after all that intimacy in the season two finale.

― cws (cws), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

i thought the re-cap thing was kind of funny. it seemed like some execs sat that producers down and were like "you guys have left so many questions unanswered and introduced so many new characters while established ones are still mid-arc that its becoming really hard to attract new viewers," and made them create this kind of propaganda-style catch up hour. some of the first things they said were like "ANYONE can jump right in mid-series and enjoy this show." if i wasn't already a serial viewer and someone made me watch that special i'd be like "fuck you this show blows."

although, i hadn't realized the Nadia/Locke connection before watching it. i think i was in the kitchen for half that episode or something.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

Also "Mittelos" (Bioscience, the company that sought to hire Juliet) is an anagram for Lost Time, since nobody's talking about that. This entire episode was really focused on themes of time in general, so I'd figure this is probably the "important" stuff going on as far as the mythology is concerned.

― cws (cws), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

WTF with Juliet all of a sudden acting like she never showed Jack the Kill Benry video? Was Ben in on it?

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

She explained that she changed her mind once she found out that Ben would give her freedom in exchange for letting him live -- but I wasn't clear on whether Ben said this during their little one-or-one chat in the operating room or sometime before.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

On second viewing (and lots of pausing), I'm not sure that was a Dharma logo above the swipecard reader - but it really looks like it might be. Black and white, circular - but it's too blurry to see for sure.

What's with all the Als? Alvar, Dr. Alpert, Aldo, Alex.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

yeah she told jack to let him live BEFORE their one on one, right?

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

No, she was trying to protect herself and was thus lying to Tom while in the operating room. During the one on one with Ben she is told he'll let her leave (also likely a lie, no?). But this is why Jack is incredulous when she keeps saying "He's lying, I never said that", etc.

― cws (cws), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

No, she was trying to protect herself

from what? she demanded this of him before he ever brought up their agreement or anything. He was trying to cover for her by saying she couldn't do it, she wasn't a surgeon and then she tells them to go after his friends, he wasn't going to let Ben die. etc. etc. I think she's got some sort of secret agenda and is not trustworthy.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

I think she's got some sort of secret agenda and is not trustworthy.

Absolutely.

she was trying to protect herself

from what?

From Tom, other Others etc. She wanted Jack to kill Ben, but not implicate her! Then the hostile takeover would be that much easier! She remains good in Others' eyes, blames Jack for Ben's death, etc. Assuming this had happened. I think she'd double cross just about anybody. (If he got hit by a bus! -- Probably was not really helping her sister have a baby so much as USING her sister a guinea pig knowing she'd die of cancer soon too. God knows what else. Juliet is a totally terrible person actually!)

― cws (cws), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

who is Jacob again? just the guy who wrote the initial good/bad list? did we ever meet him?

― mikebee (heywood), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

Nope, and that's all we know of him. Remains unclear whether the "him" that Ben references when imprisoned at the hatch ("you have no idea what he'll do!") was supposed to be Jacob, or whether it was just a red herring.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

I'm so glad that let's-kill-Sawyer guy got capped. I couldn't take another episode of him frothing at the mouth.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

He was annoying, and his wife was annoying too.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

i wish the electrocution-a-la-wet-fishbiscuit-dispenser offed him and not Juliet's bullets in the chest.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

also, i'm way late on this but the wookie prisioner line made me roffle harder than almost anything else on the show prior. i was kind of slow to catch it, chewbacca was just on the tip of my mind when sawyer delivered the line.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

LOL, my "RIP Danny Pickett" thread on Big Lost Message Board has had one reply.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 February 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

The wookie prisoner line owned. SRSLY

kthx

― Hey "I'm shutting up now" Jude (Hey Jude), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

I'm still waiting for Penny Widmore. It's a Desmond episode next week right?

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

Donnie Darko is an Other.

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 9 February 2007 03:22 (eighteen years ago)

the wire does not seem to have a problem with this

The wire gets an extra ten minutes per ep due to no commercial interruptions.

(xxxxxxxxxxxxpost)

― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Friday, 9 February 2007 04:26 (eighteen years ago)

I had never made a connection before between LOST and "Donnie Darko," and now I'm nervous. I find that movie to be so incredibly unsatisfying and unrealized (and ultimately, seriously nonsensical). If LOST gets tied up in halfhearted wormhole theory I'll be so bummed.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 February 2007 08:01 (eighteen years ago)

Don't worry about it, I don't think it's gonna go that far. I think they're just making references in keeping with the theme of "time" or "lost time".

Might be hinting at something to do with Desmond's FUTURE-SEEING ABILITY.

― Roz (Roz), Friday, 9 February 2007 08:49 (eighteen years ago)

I watched it again last night, and realized it is kind of a roffle yuck fest, this episode. Juliet's ex-husband, on his cell phone, in flashback [something like] "you're a control freak and you're ruthless...you asked me to be honest, mom".

Also...

Sawyer: Anything else you're good at?
Alex: Yeah, basket-weaving, you want one?

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

It's a bit odd that the Others are all so respectful of Alex when some of them must know that she's not really Ben's daughter, or indeed how that lie has lasted.

Presumably Juliet was enjoying life on the island prior to the plane crash (see first episode intro) although we know her relationship with Ben had itself worn thinner by that point.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder where it is that Alex is supposed to be, since they've made it quite clear she's not supposed to be there (Hydra Station/Alcatraz island). My guess would be back in Others' suburbia.

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Also gotta say I find the idea that the writers didn't originally intend for Ben to be such a big character or have other things planned out quite disturbing. I imagine they just have a loose framework that they can adapt and change as and when but they DO know at least roughly what it's all leading to. I really hope so anyway.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

On second viewing (and lots of pausing), I'm not sure that was a Dharma logo above the swipecard reader

yeah, i went over this a couple times too and it doesn't look like a dharma logo

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

what was up with tom's "ever since the sky turned purple" line during the surgery? so casual and off the cuff that it was extra creepy.

xxxpost by a ways now, but i think this was the most interesting line in this episode. jack asks tom why they didn't just evacuate benry and tom starts in with the 'ever since the sky went purple...' (referring to the hatch blowing). Too bad jack has to cut an artery right then! i'd guess that tom was going to say the communications were still down, which is something that i'm guessing gets more and more important as these episodes go on. i just want to know more about how they communicate to the outside world.

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

I keep going back to the opening scene. Okay, right, it's supposed to throw us off, thinking we're on the island but we're actually in Miami, fine, but parts of it just seem wrong. What's up with the flourescent lighting and dingy walls? And at the very start Juliet's on the beach, supposedly in Miami, looking east, towards the last fading light of a sunset?

Ethan in that opening scene was another question for me, but I think I've got it figured out. We see him leave a room but we don't know which one. He must have been one room over and that's how they knew, at the morgue, that her sister was pregnant. They'd been eavesdropping or whatever. Creepy.

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

Did they ever say that it was night-time? I just assumed it was sunrise. I think the lights and the hall though were intentionally similar to those in the medical hatch that Claire was in, so us nerdy LOST nerds would be all OMG but then oh wait, Miami!

― blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

Did they ever say that it was night-time? I just assumed it was sunrise.

no, they didn't. but it did look darker when she opened the blinds onto Miami.

It probably was just a setup to throw us off of the obvious ("we're on the island!") and i'm over-thinking it. but still.

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

Lost, The Rock Opera

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

So glad that asshole Pickett got killed.

Was a pretty good episode if a bit annoying in the "let's put everything in place for nothing to happen for many episodes again" sense.

Not sure if Jacob is a biblical reference, seems just as likely to be wacko religious shit rather than the Jacob from the lists.

What I find unusual is Juliette and Ben, are we supposed to believe they got married after she came to work for Mittelos on the island? Also what is the nature of the marriage if she's being kept prisoner?

Juliette's sister is annoying already.

Tom gets more likeable by the episode, definitely agree that his "I'm Tom by the way" was the funniest moment of the episode.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

Am I the only one who thought Ed Burke was island momus at first?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

They are not married. I thought they were too, but they're not.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Friday, 9 February 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

Presumably Juliet was enjoying life on the island prior to the plane crash (see first episode intro)

you mean the part where she had a nervous breakdown while baking cookies? didn't look too happy to me.

― dmr (Renard), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:17 (eighteen years ago)

she was baking muffins I thought. which is an anagram of sin muff

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

So Juliet gets recruited, sent to the island, and then pretty much told she'll stay there and work until some unspecified time. My guess is that there are some lifers on the island (Ben) while a fair number are sent there to work for Dharma/Mittelos and coerced into staying. Juliet's ex is killed as a demo of what they're capable of. They might not have any single task or mission, but a variety of them -- an experimental colony, the electromagnetic crap, whatever disease supposedly lurks on the other island, the smoke thing. Whatever, just a bunch of crap that occurred to me watching this episode.

Otherwise, cutty otm on most of his recent posts.

― mh. (mike h.), Friday, 9 February 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

Sin Muff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 10 February 2007 08:24 (eighteen years ago)

it was hardly a nervous breakdown!

― vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 10 February 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

don't defend her

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 10 February 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

she seemed to be enjoying book club well enough

― vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 10 February 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

except that that shit was saying "if ben was here we would be listening to 4 33 and sawing each other in half"

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 10 February 2007 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

Finally seen this episode so I can read this thread :D

I loved the zing for zing Alex - Sawyer scenes, I want more of those. Though it'll be hard what with them being on two separate islands and all. Also, that bus scene made me laugh even though it was so obvious what was going to happen to Burke. I wish Juliet had told the Mittelos guy something along the lines of "I can't work with you, my ex won't let me .... the only way that could work was if he was struck by lightning" just so we could see Mittelos working hard at having lightning fall down on the guy. Any kind of death but the obvious run-over-by-a-bus would have been good. "It would only work if he was eaten by a camel" or some shit.

― Jibé (Jibé), Saturday, 10 February 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

haha...that would be good. and then later in a flashback it showed her slapping mittelos's back and laughing her ass off "yeah! I knew! of course I knew! and you guys still had that guy in a jester suit beat him with a leg of lamb!"

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 10 February 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

it was hardly a nervous breakdown!

ok I exaggerate ... just dial that back to "looked at herself in the mirror and started weeping"

― dmr (Renard), Saturday, 10 February 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

Did anyone notice how close the bus was waiting in the background as they were talking? It had about 30 meters to get up to that speed from a standing start. Incredible acceleration

― Compact (hellsarse), Sunday, 11 February 2007 01:43 (eighteen years ago)

that's exactly what the busses here look like, fwiw.

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Sunday, 11 February 2007 02:27 (eighteen years ago)

The bus had an Apollo Candy Bars ad on it.

― I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Sunday, 11 February 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

so... "only fools are enslaved by time and space."

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 11 February 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

...which is allegedly what is backmasked in the weird indoctrination/worst van halen video ever REEEEEEEEMIX music.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 11 February 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

The others have a TARDIS?

― theantmustdance (theantmustdance), Sunday, 11 February 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

I loved the zing for zing Alex - Sawyer scenes, I want more of those.

OTFuckingM. Actually, I'm kind of hoping the developments of this episode allow the writers to let that plotline lie for a bit and go further down the Desmond path because that's even more intriguing right now. More Hurley as well, if only because I want to know what the fuck the point of Libby was and why she's this figure in both their histories.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

Hello? Will the Losties stay in the sandbox tonight or come on over here?

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

I'll come over, but I might be missing LOST tonight. :/

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

saaandbox. this is the others' island and i'm not staying.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

I tire of all this bitching. :(

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

I love that ABC can't come up with a good enough show to go on before LOST so they just show last week's again. OMG SEASON THREE, NO RERUNS (except every week).

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:28 (eighteen years ago)

We have local college basketball on here before Lost tonight :/

― mh, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:40 (eighteen years ago)

Nooooooooo!, what if the game runs long?!?!

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:51 (eighteen years ago)

It ended just about ten seconds into the episode, as far as I can tell. Fish biscuits!

― mh, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:13 (eighteen years ago)

Why did Jack's Thai GF give him a tattoo that read "Hey goons! Beat me up!" Couldn't she just have said no? But it's all good, because I hate that hostile grin he has. I want him to get beat up more and more.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:33 (eighteen years ago)

Jack's gets a little pushy with women who don't do what he tells them, doesn't he? Although I'm just grateful that Bai Ling wasn't a prostitute. I thought for sure Jack's dark secret was a sex tourism trip to Thailand gone wrong. Not that I think a sex tourism trip could go right... So I suppose him falling in love with an exotic Thai psychic tattoo artist was a nice twist.

Anyway. The ending was cheeeeeeeesy.

― Jenny, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:59 (eighteen years ago)

ugh

that sucked

― dmr, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:15 (eighteen years ago)

That episode left me unsatisfied. I don't care about Jack. I want Sawyer and Kate to make sweet love, not bicker. I want Jack to stop yelling at people for answers. What happened to the boat those guys got? What, they're going to leave it and just start trudging through the jungle?

― Maria :D, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

I want kate to disappear. her face annoys the f out of me.

Why did Jack's Thai GF give him a tattoo that read "Hey goons! Beat me up!" I'm glad I'm not the only one confused by this. Will thai girl reappear or was all that flashbacking just to tell us what his dumb tattoo meant?

honestly lost is kind of pissing me off. I WANT ANSWERS, PEOPLE, NOT MORE QUESTIONS!

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

I really didn't care about any of the crap that happened to Jack, especially since it all seemed to boil down to "ooh, magical Asian spiritual crap is spooky" garbage, along with trying to make him look like an outsider some more. We get it already, everyone on the island is an outsider in some way.

I want more Carl and Alex, more Desmond, and a hell of a lot more Hurley.

― mh, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

it looks like we'll get more hurley next week.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

Boo. Nothing happened.

And I was hoping for a lot more Ben.

― Roz, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

will someone kindly explain to me Bai Ling's being on this show?

i'm in the camp that wants this show to be sci-fi.

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

I hate that neither Jack, Sawyer, or Kate have made the connection that Alex is Rousseau's daughter. SAYID WOULD KNOW.

I liked the corny string swells during the closing boat ride, but that might be because it meant Alcatraz Island mini-story is over and EVERYONE is back on Craphole Island again. Also in the "liked" category: Sawyer's "boy's only" talk with Carl - I figured he wouldn't be coming back to beachtown with them, at least this way was someone touching and respectable. Also "Ursa Theodorus"? There were two teddy bears in this episode.

How many fucking boats do the Others have anyway?

Does anyone else now think Jack wasn't on "Jacob's List" because of his tattoos (he is "marked")?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

I hate that neither Jack, Sawyer, or Kate have made the connection that Alex is Rousseau's daughter. SAYID WOULD KNOW.

do they not? I thought that was understood.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

According to one fansite, Jack's tattoos are actually Matthew Fox's and the chinese characters mean "The eagle controls (has mastery) of the sky" It's from a poem by Chairman Mao

― Maria :D, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

I have some dumb chinese charcter tattoos that I got a million years ago. It actually means something like self-integrity but when people ask I like to tell them something dumb like "slut" or "raging bitch"

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Link]

― Roz, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

meh... no linking yet?

― Roz, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

illegal? wow, that's hardcore.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

I know... wtf? It was a link to Lostpedia's entry on Jack's tattoos btw.

― Roz, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

Ok that episode was one of the shittiest.

honestly lost is kind of pissing me off. I WANT ANSWERS, PEOPLE, ~~NOT MORE QUESTIONS!~~NOT LAME ANSWERS

Honestly who ever gave a shit about Jack's tattoos??? The only thing I'll remember about that episode is the little ref to The Wire.

― Jibe, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

Am I the only one who really liked last night's episode?

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

To be honest, I didn't hate the flashback, if only because it wasn't about Jack's fucking horrible wife and how Jack always has to FIX THINGS (it still should've had daddy Shephard in it, though).

I am looking forward to Jack & Ben being BROS.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

you can link, you just gotta do like this

[Removed Illegal Link]

― dmr, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

or not, lol

― dmr, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

That flashback was horrible, pure drivel that was no use whatsoever (though why that bothers me is a mystery, most of L O S T has been no use whatsoever for a while)

Things to keep about that ep:
1 - Jack being beat up
2 - Alex demonstrating her Wire knowledge!
3 - Jack being beat up
4 - Jack being beat up
ad infinitum

Also bring back badass Kate, cos this one sucks even more.

― Jibe, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

I hope this means no more Jackbacks this season.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

Or flashJacks, whichever.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway I didn't dislike this episode exactly but I wasn't exactly thrilled with it either.

Jack: How can you people not have a skilled surgeon?
Ben: We did have a skilled surgeon. His name was Ethan.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

he was the fake survivor right?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Yup. Why Ben thought it was a good idea to send his only surgeon into the forest to pretend to be a plane crash survivor when he just found out he had a spinal tumor, I don't know, but yup, Ethan was the Claire-napper.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

Ethan was also a plumber. He was working on Juliet's plumbing at the start of the book club scene.

― Maria :D, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

But don't you understand, they love their island so much and ... and, well ignorance is bliss!!!!

― Jibe, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

as i mentioned elsewhere, the frustrating parts for me were:

sawyer to person who could tell them LOTS about what's going on: BEAT IT!

jack to stewardess who could shed light on events: GET OUT OF HERE!

scott seward on Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:29 AM (1 hour ago)

that pissed me off the most

― cutty, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

I want to watch this episode. ;_;

― jessie monster, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

abc.com!

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

haha that's kind of a zing, isn't it?

I was kind of hoping Jack would've been all "I'LL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED TO ANA LUCIA, SHE DIED, BECAUSE OF YOU FUCKING PEOPLE" and made the kids cry.

I actually did like this ep but only really LOVED the scenes with Ben ("here comes the cavalry").

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

Who else is with me in thinking Alex wasn't upset with Jack's answer as to why he saved Ben, but that she was mad at him for not letting Ben (who we are meant to believe is keeping her and Carl apart) die?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

My favorite post on thefuselage.com today (a forum I don't have to re-login onto every fourth post or whatever):

Did you notice that her "mark" looked VERY much like the blacklight hatch map that Locke saw??

I LOVE YOU, LOST FANDS.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

this is like x-philedom x10

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

SPOILER FOR NEXT WEEK:

Apparently next week's ep includes a record-breaking number of hugs.

END SPOILER

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

Thugz not hugz.

― Nicole, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

I just don't understand who they think they're making the show for anymore

casual fans have gotta be past the point of caring and just watching for the man-candy or whatever the fuck

hardcore fans have already taken every clue and gamed it out to its five logical conclusions, so when anything is "revealed" months later you're like, oh, that's what I figured. (i.e. that's how I feel about the tailie "revelation," it's just not that surprising .... there was only a couple of ways it could go, really.)

― dmr, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

ben daughter is so cuet!! she looks like the daughter on too close for comfort/ the chick from the warriors.

― chaki, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

She was Malcolm in the Middle's girlfriend!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

she's not really ben's daughter, is she?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

I can't remember which ILX we've discussed this on, but...

It is most likely she is not his birth-daughter (we are to assume she is the baby Alex that Rousseau had stolen from her 16 years ago), but it seems she doesn't know that. There are other possibilities (aren't there always?), but this seems the most likely.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

Did anyone else think Juliette's mark looked like the Vonnegut's anus drawing in Slaughterhouse Five?
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/2259/assholenq6.jpg

― wmlynch, Thursday, 22 February 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

i think ben's a really big rhcp fan.

― chaki, Thursday, 22 February 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

OTM re dumbness of Sawyer and Kate for letting Carl go plus ditching the boat. still i guess they don't really have much use for it now - no reason to go back to Island #2.

WHERE the hell is Miss Klugh? hope to ser her next week in Otherville.

i like Isobel.

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)

BRING ON CHEECH

― blueski, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:17 (eighteen years ago)

it is much faster to boat around an island than walk accross it.

― grady, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:17 (eighteen years ago)

i only just found it they [Removed Illegal Link] from the very first episode. That's retarded. What the hell is the dark blur meant to be? CG errors my arse.

― blueski, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:22 (eighteen years ago)

that was referring to the 'smokemonster made the turbine explode' thing from the very first episode. details on lostpedia.

― blueski, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:23 (eighteen years ago)

i don't understand what you are saying

― cutty, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)

Isobel's hairdo scared me!
Bangs AND hanging sideburns AND a ponytail! An Other Mullet!

― aimurchie, Friday, 23 February 2007 01:28 (eighteen years ago)

I do like women with scary hair. However I was a bit grrr? that they introduced another random mysterious powerful woman when there was Mrs Klugh still AWOL and unexplained.

― Archel, Friday, 23 February 2007 07:58 (eighteen years ago)

they debunked it, cutty

― blueski, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

I sort of resent that I am now expected to believe Jack and Juliet have feelings for each other because of the Grilled Cheese sandwiches and romantic boat ride.

Not to mention the suspension of disbelief required over the aforementioned Sawyer 'BEAT IT, KID' type situations.

This ep. was definitely in the worst 5, I think. And ABC should be sued for their "Three of LOST's biggest mysteries answered this week" promos, even if everyone knows not to believe those things.

I missed the whole Desmond ep. discussion in the Sandbox. Was it agreed that that episode ruled? And was the 'Charlie only singing the part of 'Wonderwall' where he says 'Maybe / You're gonna be the one who saves me'' scene discussed? I caught that on a second viewing and got all goosebumpy. Can the show just be about Desmond now please?

― Ben Boyerrr, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:24 (eighteen years ago)

yes it rules. yes that was mentioned. no show must be about alex and her mum

― Alan, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

no show must be about alex and her mum
But Alex is so nice ;_;

And ABC should be sued for their "Three of LOST's biggest mysteries answered this week" promos,

Woah, what were those big mysteries and why did I not see any answer to anything?

― Jibe, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

Cindy has surely been brainwashed, altho she didn't seem as dopey as all those other people and her answers to Jack's questions were v script-like. Presumably she doesn't know Ana-Lucia is dead, would any of the others know this? Michael never gave details on how he got Jack and co. to Ben but perhaps they figured he'd have to kill.

I just don't think Cindy could've been in on it from the start.

― blueski, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

let me put the comma in: "no, show must be about alex and her mum"

― Alan, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

stevem, Ben surely saw Ana-Lucia/Libby's dead bodies outside his cell as he was leaving the hatch. But we don't know if he told any of the Others, though.

Damon L warned that Juliet might develop feelings for Jack in an interview, so that was expected but man, these two have no chemistry whatsoever. I think Matthew Fox has given up trying to figure out which girl he's supposed to be in love with - Kate, Ana-Lucia, Bai Ling, Sarah, Juliet.

― Roz, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:12 (eighteen years ago)

re the "glass houses/throwing stones", do the others rly think they v the losties is at all equiv?

others
=====
they kidnap ppl in general
they kidnap walt and throw a bomb on the jin/sawyer/michael raft
they killed random bloke on beach
they kidnap claire and experiment on her
presumably ethan hangs charlie up to die
blackmail michael into a position where he shoots ana and (bonus) libby
blackmail

losties
=====
charlie shoots ethan ded, in revenge for his NDE and claire bizniss
imprison ben for a bit
sun shoots pickett-lady ded when they board her boat
juliet shoots pickett because he was going to shoot kate/sawyer

it's not really hanging in the balance there

― Alan, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

oops i submitted while putting in "blackmail and imprison jack/kate/sawyer" for op on ben

― Alan, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

oo and the tailies/ana killed a guy too.

― Alan, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

I clearly must starting watching this show more than once. You all catch things I don't!

― Ms Misery, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

they debunked it, cutty

can you post a working link, please

― cutty, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

smokemonster/turbine discussion is like the lost version of a pred ship

― mh, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

[i]can you post a working link, please[/]i]

i doubt it...

just go to s01e01 summary on lostpedia and scroll right down

― blueski, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

i am done with this show, praise heroes

― cutty, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

This episode did pretty much suck, but there were some things to like about it:

*lots of Tom
*lots of Alex
*the music - the corny string swells & piano - was probably the best yet of season 3
*finally some SINCERITY from Juliet, Ben, etc instead of OMG R THEY STILL TESTING U JACK?

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

you liked that slo-mo/music, argh

― cutty, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

I have no shame.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

It was really the pan from Carl looking up at the sky over to Alex that made that scene for me though.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

I found myself wondering why the music was getting so dramatic in some of the scenes with Jack that weren't so dramatic.

― Maria :D, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

I still hated the Bai Ling/kite scene though. And WTF Jack you're a spinal surgeon but can't figure out how to put a KITE together? For shame.

I kind of love that Ethan was basically the Others' Jack.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

This was pretty awful. ;_; Who cares about Jack's tattoos? I don't, especially when they are assigned an incorrect meaning (character for "long" was definitely in there uhhh). Also why is a Thai chick (assumedly, tho Bai Ling is Chinese) doing Chinese character tattoos? I am pretty sure they don't use Sinic characters at all, though I could be wrong.

I just didn't care about ANYTHING happening in this episode. Also, Jack being a psycho dick to missing tailies = wtf?

I think Juliet's mark looked like a pot leaf.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

I assumed his kite-ineptitude was feigned as a chick-lure.

― Beth Parker, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

I thought there was mention before of him getting his tatoo in Malaysia, but there he was in Thailand. The whole kite thing is totally out of character. I can't imagine him flying a kite anyway.

― Maria :D, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

the fact that an episode was built around an actor's exsisting tattoo solidifies my opinion that the writers are completley making this shit up as they go along.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

on the podcast they said when the ring lady says "we would all be dead" she means everyone on earth.

also, is the new old lady (isabel) the one in the e.r. window from that promo photo?

― abanana, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

I thought there was mention before of him getting his tatoo in Malaysia, but there he was in Thailand.

No, he mentioned having been to Phuket in an earlier episode, saying that he learned to play poker there. Sawyer impressed him by knowing where Phuket is.

― jaymc, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

ok the fact that Jack would be impressed by someone knowing where Phuket is confirms that he is a complete tool.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

<daddy issues>OMG MY DAD NEVER TAUGHT ME HOW TO FLY A KITE</daddy issues>

― cutty, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

i can't believe the hate for this episode. i mean, this is as good as a jackback episode is going to be, no? there were so many great things:

-watching tom's back-and-forth between tough guy and teddy bear
-getting to see a bit of an others' trial
-brady bunch ref
-getting to see another boat, getting to see benry's weirdassed sideways face and weirderassed delivery, getting to see alex (in any situation, doesn't matter), getting to see Cindy, who I am convinced is the best actor on the show.
-setup for jack seeing Othersville

and that cheesy rising string music, they've been doing that since season one, lulling us into 'everything's gonna be alright' territory. and that's when something goes fucked the next episode. also, juliet is sexy, no doubt. i try to deny it but i can't.

and we only saw half of jack's tattoo story. i know the dislikers are gonna be all...ahh another jackback, but i don't mind it. the dollar bill eye part with the five didn't get executed in this one.

on another note: kate asked about the children and carl said, "raise them better than you..." i didn't take that as 'better than you could' but instead as 'better than your childhood' which brings that to a whole 'nother place.

i don't want to stop reading this thread.

― jergincito, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not the only one who thought Jack totally deserved to have the shit beat out of him, right? Were we SUPPOSED to think that? This whole "you are a great man..."/"he walks among us but is not one of us" (OMG MESSIANIC MUCH) makes me think the writers want us to think he is a hero or some shit.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

jack is clearly not someone who likes fun, which is why those flashbacks seemed so wrong. Daddy issues are a plus too, though a bit shit reason.

― Jibe, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

x post

yes, jack totally deserved to be beaten up. Shit, he should be beaten during just about every episode to make up for his dickishness

― Jibe, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:58 (eighteen years ago)

It was def. Phuket. They (the kid who was all Doctor JAKKK, guy who was Bai Ling's brother) were speaking Thai and no Malaysian girl would have the name Achara.

― Roz, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:58 (eighteen years ago)

bah xposts.

― Roz, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:58 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah i loved seeing him get the shit kicked out of him, forgot to mention that

― jergincito, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:59 (eighteen years ago)

whyyyyyyyyy is a Thai girl giving Chinese tattoos? this will bother me forever.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

her cuzins are obv triads c'mon

― jergincito, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

the fact that an episode was built around an actor's exsisting tattoo solidifies my opinion that the writers are completley making this shit up as they go along.

Yes, it is a k-lame Party of Five related tatoo. Is it really wise to revisit anything that might remind viewers of Party of Five? Although it would kind of rule if it turned out that Lacey Chabert is the evil shadow leader of the Dharma Group.

― Nicole, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

>>carl said, "raise them better than you..." i didn't take that as 'better than you could' but instead as 'better than your childhood' which brings that to a whole 'nother place. <<

the line was actually "give them a better life" ... "better than what?" ... "better than yours"

i.e. they will be non-enslaved-by-time-and-space super doods (i'm guessing)

― dmr, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

or just not stuck on an island scrounging for food and living in makeshift tents?

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

Sam, LOST's creators have been intending to do a Jack's tattoo episode since day 1, I think they mention it on the season 1 DVD extras.

The biggest shame of this episode was that they did a Jack flashback without his dad, who is one of the best characters on the show.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

[i]getting to see Cindy, who I am convinced is the best actor on the show. [/i

huh?

― cutty, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

whyyyyyyyyy is a Thai girl giving Chinese tattoos? this will bother me forever.

whyyyyyyyyy is there a polar bear on a tropical island?

also, i dont need to worry about anything reminding me of party of 5.

― grady, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

nick very OTM about jack's dad.

Tom was the best part about the episode for sure. Other than Ben's "oh fuck what do I have to do for dummy doctor now?" look when Jack came to strike a deal.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

We don't even know why the hell he was in Phuket in the first place.

― Roz, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

SEX TOURISM.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

Sex tourism, obv.

― Nicole, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

Another thing to like about this episode: the closing music + night sky + boat ride montage pretty much guarantees we won't see any of these Jack asses for a LONG TIME (resolutions are so rare on LOST, relish them!).

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

LOST actors on stage in youth theater benefit

i dont think i'll go.

― grady, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

haha I am beginning to love the lack of xpost warnings

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

haha i meant besides the sex trade.

― Roz, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder what plays they would perform? The whole idea is a little rofflelicious to me.

― Nicole, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

Actors will include Matthew Fox, Elizabeth Mitchell, Chris Soldvilla, Henry Ian Cusick, Terry O'Quinn,

Michael Emerson, Daniel Dae Kim and Jorge Garcia, depending on shooting schedule.

Um, who? Oh, thanks imdb!:

Coyote Ugly (2000) .... Man Ordering Shots

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

Matthew Fox stars in The Idiot

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

Terry O'Quinn in [s]Death[/s] Paralysis of a Salesman

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

God damn you, formatting!

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

It would be awesomer if Terry O'Quinn just wrestled a bear on-stage or something.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

Or Jorge Garcia.

― Nicole, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

i want to post more on this thread but i am drunkn and too slow now - especially without the xposts. So I will be hanging round the grey's anatomy thread.

― Roz, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

this episode was pretty bad, but it destroys any episode of the heros thus far. the actors on that show are REALLY bad. also lost is only going to get better now that awesome comic writer BRIAN K VAUGHN is writing shit!!

― chaki, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

I figured he's in Thailand on a post-divorce "find myself" / sex tourism combo mission

― dmr, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

I HATE BRIAN K VAUGHAN.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

that's right, I said it.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

I don't exactly tune in to Lost expecting great acting either.

― Nicole, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

then you should go watch heroes with your precious jeph loeb hacky shit.

― chaki, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

desmond and locke are really great actors!

― chaki, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

brian k vaughn is writing for lost?!

― BATTAGS, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

and ben and tom!

kate, sawyer, jack, claire--not so much.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

Kate is awful.

― Nicole, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

matthew fox is good at YELLING.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

I miss his mullet.

― Nicole, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

matthew fox is a one trick pony, but it is a pretty good trick.

― grady, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

"whyyyyyyyyy is a Thai girl giving Chinese tattoos? this will bother me forever."

The Thai Chinese is a group of overseas Chinese born in Thailand. They constitute about 14% of the population, although due to intermarriage there can be no definite figure.

The majority of the Thai Chinese traces their ancestry back to the Chaozhou prefecture in northern Guangdong, thus they speak the Minnan Chaozhou dialect. A minority traces their ancestry to Hakka and Hainanese immigrants. As of 1987, there are approximately six million Thais of Chinese descent.

― scott seward, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

LOL PWNED

― jaymc, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

(Legislation in 1909 by Rama V, King Chulalongkorn requiring adoption of Thai surnames was in large part directed at easing tensions with Chinese community by assimilation, whose members would be faced with the choice of forsaking their Chinese identity or accepting the status of foreigners. Many of them made the accommodation and opted to become Thai.)

― scott seward, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

YAY I LEARNED A FACT.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

thanks scott!

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

no prob. it makes even clearer why getting a chinese tattoo would be some hardcore tribal thang not to be messed with.

― scott seward, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

aka JACK IS EVEN MORE OF A DICK THAN PREVIOUSLY ASSUMED.

I love how it all comes back to Jack is a dick.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

brian k vaughn is writing for lost?!

yup and he's stoked

― chaki, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

I actually really like M. Fox/Jack, but I feel backed into a corner of hating him for turning season 3 into Jack's Angry Adventure. If they can manage to go 4-5 episodes with no Jack whatsoever I might actually be happy to see him again.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

Mathew Fox wobbles his heard around too much to be a good actor. I'd like to put that thing in a vice.

― Jenny, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

angry grin angry grin angry grin head wobble angry grin

― Maria :D, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

SHOUT.

― grady, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

red teary eyes SHOUT

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

i still like Jack, the stubborn ass

― blueski, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

Contenders for best M Fox LOST performances:

*scene when Sawyer tells Jack about his encounter with his dad
*scene when Kate is on the other side of the glass
*scene when he & Locke unload the dynamite ("ever play Operation?")

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

Mathew Fox wobbles his heard around too much to be a good actor. I'd like to put that thing in a vice.

angry grin angry grin angry grin head wobble angry grin

soooo OTM. my impression of jack basically involves tilting and shaking my head back and forth for ten seconds.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

I realized one day that one of my (hairiest) best friends looks almost exactly like Foxy (if a bit more teddy bearish), only after he pulled his "Jack face" for the first time.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

Okay there are rumors abound that BILLY DEE LANDO CALRISIAN WILLIAMS is appearing in an upcoming episode!!!! Rumors.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

LOL what a direct call-out to Heroes:

"You got Star Trek? WELL WE GOT STAR WARS, BITCHES."

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

Okay there are rumors abound that BILLY DEE LANDO CALRISIAN WILLIAMS is appearing in an upcoming episode!!!! Rumors.

weird. i think he's been on jimmy kimmel's show doing fake lost sketches a few times over the past six months.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Saturday, 24 February 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

Billy Dee Williams!!!(all the middle-aged ladies feel faint)

― Beth Parker, Saturday, 24 February 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

did anyone catch the lost reference on heroes last week?

nathan petrelli says if he found a bunch of people with super powers he would stick them in a lab on an island in the middle of the ocean

― cutty, Saturday, 24 February 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

how many episodes in the past two years have not featured a new character?

― Dandy Don Weiner, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

Billy Dee Williams!!!(all the middle-aged ladies feel faint)

To me, Billy Dee Williams means only betrayal

― accentmonkey, Saturday, 24 February 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

esp. if a guy with a shaved head, wearing wonky headphones is following him around the island. bad news.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Saturday, 24 February 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

Ugh, this episode sucked. It illuminated NOTHING, even about Jack's backstory, and they really wasted the opportunity for an awesome twist - if Juliet's branding had been unveiled as exactly the same tattoo as Jack's.

WHERE the hell is Miss Klugh?

Does anyone really care? Aren't there enough mediocre no-personality Others knocking around as it is?

― Matt DC, Sunday, 25 February 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

Also why exactly did Jack go all angry and creepily 'fuck you, tattoo me!' anyway? I know he can be a dick around women who don't do what he wants but that was still a bit weird and out of character.

― Matt DC, Sunday, 25 February 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

It'll never make sense why she caved in and gave him the tattoo, nor why he wanted it so badly. Totally stupid storyline about something no-one cared about in the first place. There had better not be another Jackback this series now.

Does anyone really care?

i just think it's dumb for them to feature all the other Others we know so far except her, mediocre personality or not. but if she's been holding the fort at their little village then cool.

― blueski, Monday, 26 February 2007 00:28 (eighteen years ago)

In retrospect I think the most disappointing thing about 3.9 (Stranger In A Strange Land) was that Ben didn't say the word "grok" at any point. What kind of nerds are these guys anyway? The kind of nerds that probably haven't read any of the books they reference, that's what.

― nickalicious, Monday, 26 February 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

I think I read that April Grace (the actress who plays Ms. Klugh) wasn't available to film for the first half of the season. Hopefully, she'll be back.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 February 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

― Nicole, Monday, 26 February 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

I like Jack! Especially in these episodes where he's such a renegade. By series 5 he'll have a quad bike and his own carpeted treehouse...if Ben has enough recurring illnesses...

Anyone else hate this new character "the sheriff". It's like they made a schoolmarm Ana Lucia...

Jack's backstory was indeed utterly moronic and incomprehensible. What an absolute pile of shit...and the clunky ridiculous sex scene.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

Tomorrow's episode is going to be a good one - guest starring Cheech Marin and Mira Furlan (Rousseau!).

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

oh stop

― cutty, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

I love Diana Scarwid. Her voice is like a buzz-saw.

― Beth Parker, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:33 (eighteen years ago)

I forgot that it's Tuesday and thought Lost was on tonight. I think I did the same thing last week. I just want to skip Wednesday day and get right to Lost (I have a dentist's appt. in the morning - po' po' me).

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

if you skip wednesday, you skip lost.

are you saying you just want to get to thursday morning to read the lost thread?

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

"Skip Wednesday day" = onto Wednesday night

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 03:23 (eighteen years ago)

this one better be good

― dmr, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

EVEN IF IT'S NOT, IT'S STILL LOST!!!!!
(jumps up and down)
LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT! LOST NIGHT!

OH MY GOD!!!!!

― Beth Parker, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

OH MY GOD!!!! AFTER ALL THAT I MISSED THE FIRST FIFTEEN MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!!
Spaced out.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 1 March 2007 03:28 (eighteen years ago)

From now on, I'm starting every day by looking death in the face and saying, "Whatever, man."

― lindseykai, Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

i loved it!

― scott seward, Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:19 (eighteen years ago)

The BEER episode! This made me feel good about life. Hooray for Hurley!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:27 (eighteen years ago)

Hey guys what song was that in the hippie car!?

Jin and Hurley together are the best. Just the best. They pulled Roger (I have this gut feeling there's a "Roger Workman" badass session guitarist from the 70s prog/fusion circuit or something, but Google is no help) out, it reminded me of the "PEE ON ME!" scene, they need to have much more scenes together.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:29 (eighteen years ago)

haha check this out!!

the song playing in the hippie car

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:34 (eighteen years ago)

While the lyrics include the refrain "in the halls of Shambala", much of the song actually refers to "the road to Shambala", perhaps alluding to the idea of Shambala not as a physical place but as a metaphor for the spiritual path one might follow.[6]

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:36 (eighteen years ago)

They're totally just gonna roll up into Othersville suburbia blaring Three Dog Night, ripped, and Tom and Ben will have to be all "hey, you guys are alright".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 04:40 (eighteen years ago)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x10-tricia/2/normal_tricia-cap302.jpg

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 05:46 (eighteen years ago)

after the catastrophe of the flashjackery in the last one, this was nice. still felt a little bit off in the writing to me.

NEXT WEEK!!!!!

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 1 March 2007 06:37 (eighteen years ago)

It's LOST night in Aust. Hurrah!

― Hard like armour, Thursday, 1 March 2007 06:40 (eighteen years ago)

NEXT WEEK!!!!!

The return of Island Momus!!!

And you don't actually need to get a car rolling that fast to push start it.

― nickn, Thursday, 1 March 2007 07:46 (eighteen years ago)

Reaaaaally? People liked that episode? I tought it was almost a horrible as last week's. The writing was practically at a soap opera level, and the slo-mo scene of Sawyer and Kate returning to camp was unbearably cheesy. Aside from the very last scene, nothing happened as far as the actual plot of the show goes. Now that we've seen how Charlie keeps his facial hair so well-controlled, can we see how he frosts his tips?

― Hatch, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

And you don't actually need to get a car rolling that fast to push start it.

You do if you're trying to lift a CURSE. And also if the hill is a cliff.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

yes REALLY i liked that episode. it was kind of a relief from ever-growing plot overload. plus, TRICIA TANAKA IS DEAD!! hahahahahahaha!

― scott seward, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

It was L O S T's tribute to Little Miss Sunshine.

― jaymc, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

slo-mo scene of Sawyer and Kate returning to camp was unbearably cheesy

They have been doing cheesy slo-mo scenes since the very beginning though! It is a LOST staple.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

LOST without unbearable cheese would be like a sandwich without mayonnaise!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

and it wasn't even THAT bad in comparison to other slo-mo scenes. hurley greeting sawyer was priceless.

― scott seward, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3071/snap3tz5.jpg

GUYS THIS MAP! The roads lead to some big deep valley, what do we know is in the middle of some big deep valley? Ben's Island Suburbia!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

Also I bet those DHARMA symbols represent different stations! I love how Serious Team found their direction in a totally insane way (what I got from that was that John decided the 3:15 psalm notation was the compass bearing they would follow [also, do their compasses work right now that the EM anomaly is gone?]), while Beer And Bros Team found like way more interesting, useful stuff being bros and drinking beer.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

I realized last night, though, that they never really followed up on the "look north" business -- or did they?

― jaymc, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

I liked this too, it was a good palate-cleansing episode

kinda like the golf-course one from way back

and the plot moved forward a little at the end .... I was like "yay Kate figured something out" even though once again it was something that anyone paying a tiny bit of attention figured out a year and a half ago

― dmr, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

meteor hitting the chicken shack was pretty stoopid though

― dmr, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

best line - "hey, somebody's hooked on phonics"

― dmr, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

I realized last night, though, that they never really followed up on the "look north" business -- or did they?

Sayid had a line last night about John discovering a compass bearing while burying Eko when the light hit his Jesus stick a certain way. I think Locke is going to run with "North 3:15" as a compass bearing. I don't think Sayid is sure how he feels about it (he delivered the line with a sort of raised-eyebrow cynicism).

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Oh I forgot all about the meteor! I thought those were surprisingly good special fx.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

I think Sayid is bummed that he doesn't have much to do.

Actually, last night's episode wasn't ZOMG AWESOME, but it did do a good job tackling some problems: Hurley at Libby's grave gave the writers a chance to do a little exposition, but it also allowed Hurley to grieve more (since the death was still only like a week ago). And I thought it was great the way that Sayid seemed to be trying to get info from Kate about what had just happened to her instead of just being like "Oh cool, Kate and Sawyer are back." It's still so weird to me that the majority of the Lostaways don't even know all this stuff that we've known for ages -- they don't even know who Juliet is. I still think the decision to split up the narrative this season was interesting, but that's the kind of thing that makes it feel a bit off, when half the show's characters have to play catch-up with the viewers.

― jaymc, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

I LOVED Sayid's delivery of that line. I was actually really hoping that when Kate recounted Others' Alcatraz exploits, Sayid would be all, "So what you're saying is....[entire explanation of plot twists and mysteries]."

― jessie monster, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

I look forward to the scene when Sayid asks Sawyer why he let Carl go! If it really happens. I miss Sawyer and Sayid together.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

maybe they will angrily make out.

I am kind of hoping he gets really pissed next week when they go after Island Momus (which btw is a Sayid flashback episode YESSS) and just lays down the law.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

God just 5 secs of Paolo and Nikki was horrible :( Otherwise rest of episode was ok, which at least makes it a lot better than last week.

― Jibe, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Wasn't Paolo tugging on Nikki's thong at some point, or did I just imagine that?

― jaymc, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

YES that did happen, I hated it.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

I thought this one was kinda meh. I am actually not a big fan of Hurley, Garcia's acting or his family's cardboard cutout characters. The only thing that actually happened was unleashing French Lady's motherly vengeance-power (and finding the map to get them to Happy Valley).

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

It wouldn't be so bad if all Nikki and Paolo scenes weren't COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY POINTLESS. LOL THERE ARE NO MORE OATMEAL BARS.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

I liked it when Sawyer called Hurley "Snuffy." That was super cute.

― Jenny, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, I just watch the fifteen minutes that I missed. Why exactly was Kate demanding an apology from Sawyer? That fight in the jungle seemed ridiculous.
And why didn't everyone want to go see the car? What's wrong with them?
And why are all the extras slender twenty-something white people? There IS an obesity epidemic on, you know. Hurley wouldn't be the only one. Not to mention the fact that graying baby boomers be vacationing.
Nicki and Paolo are SO dead.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and the Shambala song was playing when young Hurley and Cheech were trying to start the Camaro.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

yeah the Kate demanding apology was lame. Me and roomie were all "WTF SAWYER YOU DON'T OWE HER ANYTHING." Maybe he suggested they all make tacos to celebrate their return to camp.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

I think everyone's just relieved it wasn't last week's episode.

I liked this episode because of all the funnies - Jin/Hurley, Hurley/Sawyer, Jin/Sawyer, even Hurley/Charlie. "When someone's alone staring out to sea and get all quiet, they're MOPING." *WHACK*

But otherwise, meh.

― Roz, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

I hope Sayid rigs the bus up to run on coconut juice or something.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

Sawyer had so many great lines this ep.

Sawyer: "What's your problem, Jumbotron?"
Hurley: "Shut up, Redneck... Man!"
Sawyer: (beat) "Touche".

― Roz, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

I roffled at the red neck man bit

"He's got a name and it's not Skeletor. It's Roger. Roger Workman!"

― dmr, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

"It's not Workman, it's WorkMAN, you blockhead! That's his job, he was a Dharma janitor!"

― Roz, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

it's still stupid that they left a fucking BOAT on the other side of the island

― dmr, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

This ep was all about the return to lost core-values or whatever : more daddy-issues, more hope etc. I can't remember if we already knew that Hurley was among the "i have issues with my dad" crowd though.

― Jibe, Thursday, 1 March 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

this episode highlighted the need for more intracast slapping.

God just 5 secs of Paolo and Nikki was horrible

seriously. but seeing saying for 30 seconds or whatever almost made up for it. holy shit have they wasted that character and that actor.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 1 March 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

SAYID FLANSHBACK NEXT WEEEK

― 404 Error: Page Not Found, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)

tonight i went thru tha looking glass and watched this on the ABC website (aftre realising i'd downloaded stupid .rar torrent and it wouldn't extract properly and backup download was insanely slow). how ya like me now i am EFIL 4 T331 bitchiz?

6/10 episode - two musical sweeps in as many weeks? next week better bring the darkness SAYID VS SMOKEEE counter-act. war out.

― blueski, Friday, 2 March 2007 00:03 (eighteen years ago)

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/ca/250px-Repo_cap1.jpg

That beer reminded me of plate o shrimp.

― Maria :D, Friday, 2 March 2007 01:58 (eighteen years ago)

haha... OTM. for some reason the whole generic product similarity never struck me before.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 2 March 2007 03:43 (eighteen years ago)

This episode have us nothing in the way of plot advancement / clues, just like last week's shoddy episode.
The difference is that this episode was still AWESOMES. So many LOL moments: great Sawyer lines, Hurley slapping the Hobbit, Roger's head falling off, "bottoms up"... so, so much. And it felt so much like a season 1 episode - investigating the island and finding stuff to do. Reminded me a little of the Hurley Makes A Golf Coure episode.
The best sequence was when they finally got the DharmaWagon started; seeing Sawyer whooping and laughing with a crate of beer, the collapse of the language barrier, handheld cameras in the hippy wagon as they all jumped into their seats, it seemed like for those few minutes, they'd all completely forgotten everything bad that had happened, a few minutes of pure, impenetrable fun, which, as a viewer, I felt like I completely shared with them.
I'm usually slightly narked when we don't get a single clue or slightest reveal in an episode, but for this one, I didn't give a shit. For me, this episode totally worked. Even Nikki & Paolo's presence was forgivable.
A+++++ episode, would watch again ON REPEAT. <3 Adorable.

― g-kit, Friday, 2 March 2007 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

i like what someone said ^ up there about a palate cleanser ep. yet, what was the point of Hurley's flashback? Hurley back stories have so far been some of the better ones

― Alan, Friday, 2 March 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

teh island cured him of the numbers curse.

― Roz, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

Ease up there cowboy. I'm with you on the whole but you're going a bit over the top. A welcome return to form yes but maybe we could shortcut an entire series by having a random attractive white extra shout "WE ALL HAVE DAD ISSUES! EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKING. ONE. OF. US!"

Hurley/Jin/Sawyer is a great combination. They should have run the Hobbit over and made Desmond's prophecy come true.

"Roger Workman" lolz

― onimo, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

xpost to gkit, that was

― onimo, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

omg when jin met back up with his girl i totally wanted him to give her the flower and then say "i'm sorry. those pants don't make your ass look big."

― s.clover, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

haha me too!

― onimo, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

i really hated seeing background survivors rush up to jug Kate, Sawyer etc. ARRRGH WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

― blueski, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

ha ha, hug not jug

― blueski, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

should have added IMO^^^
i don't think i was going OTT; this epi warmed hart so much, and felt more like an episode of LOST than any other this season. i was genuinely drawn into this episode, as much us Demondo's epi8 jaunt into history.

― g-kit, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

this was the 'golf course' episode of s3

― blueski, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

that's what i said.

― g-kit, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, especially when they were jugging Sawyer. Doesn't anyone remember the gun stealing New Sheriff In Town etc? No-one liked Sawyer! Sawyer didn't like them!

I just realised that though Hobbit and Desmond 'fessed up to drinking the Scotch, no-one admitted to nicking the pr0n :)

― onimo, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

didn't see that

― blueski, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

if he'd said sorry to kate, he wouldn't need teh pr0n. silly sawyer.

― g-kit, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

more fkin xposts - hating this bug tbh

― onimo, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

I don't want to be the one that points out that this episode is getting much praise and by bizarre coincidence, had no Jack in it.

― g-kit, Friday, 2 March 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, because I can't friggin stand Jack. He might be believable because he alternates between taking charge and being responsible and reverting into a whiny bastard, but I don't need that shoved in my face every ten seconds.

I actually don't care if Charlie dies now! I really wanted him to after he's been one-dimensional and annoying as hell lately, but he redeemed himself a little with the dharmavan stuff.

― mh, Friday, 2 March 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

..and how the hell DID that dart that Sawyer steps on get way out there? It's one of the darts from the hatch's dartboard, right?

― mh, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

I love how Sawyer re-enters the camp with his case of beer, looks around as if he's wondering if he should say "Hey! Who wants a beer?" and then just takes it to his own tent.

― Beth Parker, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

i hope they can keep Sawyer interesting. seeing him trying to have fun with the others, it's almost a bit like watching your Dad dance or something. i don't want another 'Sawyer's back' kinda episode either tho. what to do with the guy now?

― blueski, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yeah, and since I'm rewatching:

"Mister Tron, Lady Tron..."

― mh, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

"jugging" HA HA HA. Cmeere, give me a jug. Jugs all around. --- best new ILX meme evah
This episode had a sense of humor - that last one with hurt baby bobbyhead was lacking all humor.

I don't believe the curse on hobbit really is lifted though, or I hope not. Why introduce his curse and dispel it in only a matter of an episode? I want Hurley's curse to be gone though.

By the way, where did that map upthread come from? Cyrus was crying in my ear for much of that episode, so I missed parts.

― Maria :D, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Map was in the VW van
(bets on an xpost)

― onimo, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking it would be kickass if the Kate Danielle Locke Sayid team, as badass as they are, fucked up and got captured/stuck or something and Sawyer suddenly had to become the hero he's pretend he isn't. Then him and Jin and Hurley and the dog and as many beach redshirts (so they had someone to take the bullets for them) they could fit would just get wasted on DHARMA beer and go crashing through the jungle in their hew hippie car to the rescue.

Aren't the majority of the guns still stashed away somewhere secret by Sawyer?

― nickalicious, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

haha I am a shitty typist this morning

― nickalicious, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

The guns are impossible to track: due to continuity errors there's no way of knowing how many the Losties have left.

― onimo, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

jugs not hugs

― jergincito, Friday, 2 March 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.lovefilm.com//images/products/0/30380-large.jpg

― dmr, Friday, 2 March 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

That episode was hilarious, just what I wanted after last week's. I think we'll get a lot more ensemble action now Kate and Sawyer are back. Not only are they wasting Sayid, they're wasting Locke as well right now. Hopefully we'll see a whole big load of them go out into the jungle to really kick some arse. USING THE SCOOBY DOO HIPPIE VAN.

I sort of want the Nikki and Paolo backstory to be utterly awesome just to prove the haters wrong - they could potentially be interesting characters. Or they could just be cannon fodder.

Also, "your mother is a very passionate woman"... ew ew ew!

― Matt DC, Saturday, 3 March 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

omg, if they paint "Mystery Machine" and some hippie flowers on that van I will have Lindelof & Cuse's babies.

― Rock Hardy, Saturday, 3 March 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

I was quite surprised to see Vincent btw. Wasn't it established that he's left with Michael + Walt? I seem to recall a lengthy discussion (ok maybe not THAT lengthy) about whether it was in the boat with 'em but can't remember what the final opinion was.

― Jibe, Sunday, 4 March 2007 01:04 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think it was established... if you'll recall they just get in the boat at the end of that season and take off. didn't see the dog anywhere.

but then again... if i'm wrong and vincent did go with them he's either DOPPELVINCENT like doppeleko'sbrother or their boat sunk and vincent made it back.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 4 March 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Vincent realized there was no dog food on the boat, and chose to stay on the island because of the many dessicated arms he could find...while running across the island...but only in an episode that foreshadows other people running across the island...after leaving a boat behind...

It doesn't make any sense.
A few days running away from the others, and neither Kate nor Sawyer has any desire to shower, brush teeth, take a fucking nap? I think previous seasons explored that kind of narrative much more.
I think I liked the combination of mystery and actual survival more than these complicated plotlines. because i am losing interest when it's obvious that the writers are trying too hard to throw another ball up into the air while we watch juggling plotlines.

What happened to the Sun/Jin pregnancy, BTW? Did I miss something?

Oh, well. I have a big brain, and enough grey matter to have L O S T be a section of my brain that resides in asking questions, and weighing in on discussions about a t.v. show.
This thread is still better than the show itself.

― aimurchie, Sunday, 4 March 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

A few days running away from the others, and neither Kate nor Sawyer has any desire to shower, brush teeth, take a fucking nap?

im sorry but pls shut the fuck up. i hate people that need to see superman shit. also kudos to cutty for hating on lost and lost fans now after telling us all we are dumb for not knowing whats going on and now all your theories ended up being bunk as fuck.

― chaki, Sunday, 4 March 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

Did Superman shower and nap? I thought all he did was go into a phone booth!

― aimurchie, Sunday, 4 March 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

Chaki needs a beer.

― David R., Sunday, 4 March 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

A few days running away from the others, and neither Kate nor Sawyer has any desire to shower, brush teeth, take a fucking nap?

And have you ever noticed that nobody ever needs to go to the toilet on TV? What's all that about?

What happened to the Sun/Jin pregnancy, BTW? Did I miss something?

Possibly the fact that the plot is now so slow-paced that Sun and Jin only found about about the pregnancy themselves about ten days ago. It'll be about 12 seasons before the baby's actually born.

― Matt DC, Sunday, 4 March 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

For a second when I first saw Vincent I thought he was carrying Michael's arm.

― Jenny, Sunday, 4 March 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Also WTF at the surprise/confusion at Vincent still being on the island? Of course he was! You think Mike was supposed to go "hey Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sawyer I'm going to lead you through the jungle to almost certain capture but I'll get off this island so I suppose I'd better take my son's dog with me".

― Matt DC, Sunday, 4 March 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think any of us want to tune in Wednesday night to watch the Losties nap. Showering, maybe, but not napping. As for Sun's pregnancy, only a short time has gone by in fiction-world. Obv. the actress isn't really preggers, otherwise they wouldn't have left us high and dry in the horrible holiday season.

― Beth Parker, Sunday, 4 March 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

so stoked for next week's
tho i'm sure it will be horribly teasy and raise more questions than it answers as per

― blueski, Sunday, 4 March 2007 18:59 (eighteen years ago)

I spent most of the episode wondering if Sawyer was going to develop tetanus because of the dart in his foot, and with Jack stuck on the other island...

A good tetanus subplot would be nice.

― Z S, Sunday, 4 March 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

There are never enough tetanus subplots on TV these days.

― theantmustdance, Sunday, 4 March 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

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― onimo, Sunday, 4 March 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe I DON'T like this thread better than the series.

― aimurchie, Sunday, 4 March 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, they return to the camp and Kate just turns around? And then is stunned when Locke and Sayid show up?
Yes, it's t.v., but...
whatever, i just want some smoke monsters.
I'm going to ROME tonight.

― aimurchie, Monday, 5 March 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

What was the deal with that dart, anyway? Was there a VFW on the island?

― Beth Parker, Monday, 5 March 2007 01:55 (eighteen years ago)

DART came frtom HATCH and the only reason it was there was becausem Kawyer weres away when Hatch wehnt fwumptkf! Eventyally one will go "wtf dart?" and Charlie will go "oh yeah hatch went fwhumptkf!".

If this week with eyepatch guy and Sayid isn't incredible I will officially rejoin the LOST can't recreate teh magic camp.

― nickalicious, Monday, 5 March 2007 03:39 (eighteen years ago)

BUT IT WILL BE.

― jessie monster, Monday, 5 March 2007 03:51 (eighteen years ago)

too many jaded haterz makes kit sad

― g-kit, Monday, 5 March 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

my laptop died yesterday. i'm not even half-worried about all the documents i can't get to, the ipod i can't update, having to go to a net cafe. no, it's just mostly that i can't watch lost. so, goodbye lost friends and lost thread, i'll see you around sometime.

― jergincito, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

where abouts are you? surely someone here will be able to bro down and send/give you the eps burned to DVD?

― g-kit, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

that happened to me in jan, it was horrible. :( xpost

― jessie monster, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

after last week's fiasco i need more reliable torrent sources. where are other brits getting 'em?

― blueski, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

why are .rar torrents still around anyway??

― blueski, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

Worked fine for me :)

(And downloaded in like an hour - seriously awesome)

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

yeah altho you had to get me to explain how the dumb thing worked!
where did u download from? it has been really bad a few times on a thursday since episode 7 onwards.

― blueski, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

i use i s o h u n t .com

― Ronan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

t o r r e n t spy dot com. And only if it has been uploaded by a guy named death734 cause there's no one more reliable than that dude when it comes to L O S T and Heroes torrentz.

― Roz, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

i like the categories in m i n i n o v a.

(yes, rar torrents are annoying and pointless)

― Alan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

i was able to get an episode of lost from p!r@t3 b@y in approx 10-15 minutes. i couldn't believe it.

― Lingbert, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

once in a while i get a lightning torrent on a show - like max ADSL download. i've had it happen with 24 more than msot

― Alan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

yeah I was working overnight on Friday and set it downloading at midnight, then randomly it was finished at like 1.30. Usually tho it takes about 2 days (with the comp on for 14 hours or so each day)

― Ronan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

I was able to watch on the website with no problem. Image is small, and it probably would have bugged me if I'd wanted to watch the whole episode, but I had only missed 15 minutes, which is about half that without the ads.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

i coped watching last week's on ABC website (i was still basking in the eventual triumph of the hax0ring a little) despite the adverts and no fullscreen option. hopefully never again tho!

― blueski, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

i couldn't get the abc site to work. it said my bandwidth was too small. it would load up for a several minutes, play like a minute of episode, stop, load up for several minutes.......

so then i torrented it.

― Lingbert, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

I have been getting mine from the same place as Roz since Lost started, and it has never let me down.

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

Toe rents pie dot com has never let me down, shit, i usually have a toe rent of an episode by 1:30 am, night of original broadcast.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

havent clicked thread since last week. only thing to contibute that no one else has:

cheech merrin and hurley's scene with the psychic was grebt.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

I use s w e l o a d e r s .o r g and always get 200-250 kB/s downloads (ie an episode in less than 40 mins). You have to register and it's all in Swedish but it's pretty obvious what's what.

― Alba, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

(I would probably get it faster if I had a faster connection - that's my max ADSL download speed)

― Alba, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)

haha all i had to do was write a weepy, self-invlolved post on this thread to unjinx my computer (and take the keyboard apart). good to know for the future. L O S T we are on, again.

as for torrents, i've found that avi.torrents are hella slow and that the rar.torrents seem to go pretty fast (under 2 hours). and i'm betting that even though we all go to different sites all of ours say CTV in the corner, huh?

― jergincito, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

Oh BOY!!!!!! This week I'm not going to be such a moron, missing the first quarter of the show!

― Beth Parker, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 23:36 (eighteen years ago)

I use s w e l o a d e r s .o r g and always get 200-250 kB/s downloads (ie an episode in less than 40 mins). You have to register and it's all in Swedish but it's pretty obvious what's what.

No need for that. http://www.xtvi.com/ serves me a delicious Lost-meal every week, just moments after it aired in America.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 23:59 (eighteen years ago)

when did locke become the village idiot? i mean, i guess with all those horribly humiliating flashbacks we knew he was king loser, but....how much can one man blow up?

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 March 2007 04:17 (eighteen years ago)

wait, there's only been one post about this episode?! wow.

i mean... sayid flashback! island moshe dayan! KLUGH!

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 8 March 2007 08:25 (eighteen years ago)

also, scott OTM. locke getting back into dangerously stupid "THE COMPUTER SAID SO" behavior. and when will microsoft integrate full-motion video prompts into their software?

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 8 March 2007 08:26 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm... just tried your www.xtvi.com and was getting about 20kB/S. Went back to the Swedish folk and am straight onto 200kB/S. Go Sweden.

― Alba, Thursday, 8 March 2007 08:42 (eighteen years ago)

I actually questioned aloud while watching "Why is Sayid not the star of every episode?!"

Also, I wish they could've squeezed in a little more of Sawyer's inability to refer to people by snappy nicknames. He's funny when he squirms.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 March 2007 08:55 (eighteen years ago)

Ha ha, this show. "Look! A warehouse full of extensive documentation regarding the mysterious organization keeping us trapped on the island!" KABOOM!

― reddening, Thursday, 8 March 2007 08:59 (eighteen years ago)

WOOT. Great episode! And hey, now we know there's NO MORE DHARMA. At least, not on that island. You know, except for the occasional food-drops.

Oh Locke, that was so so incredibly stupid.

― Roz, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

lolz sawyer

Nikki: "That stuff wasn't really yours to begin with."
Sawyer: "A, it was mine when I took it, B... who the hell are you?"

― Roz, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

I think Locke just made sure there wouldn't be anymore food drops.

I got the feeling Klugh was actually involved in something clandestine that our Others aren't aware of. Apparently some Russian speaking fans translated her little shouting spat with Patchy as saying something like "you know what you must do", they would probably be in trouble with Ben et al.

I don't think Locke necessarily did anything wrong besides not going "um hey guys check this out!". Which was pretty bad though.

I hope the creepy cat starts showing up in every episode now.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 8 March 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

Also I'm not entirely convinced our "Others" are the "Hostiles".

And who else thinks "the Purge" = "the incident"?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 8 March 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

i hope the cat starts riding vincent around and occasionally delivers soliloquys in a deep, rolling voice to hurley. but only when he's alone.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 8 March 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

That cat rocks. I can't wait to see a nadia/vincent showdown - sawyer/pickett style.

― Roz, Thursday, 8 March 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Best episode this season by a pretty considerable margin (just edging the last Sayyid IMA GONNA KILL 'EM episode IMO.) Really every episode should be Sayyid kicking ass.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

locke is a moron.

I really don't get the cat.

best sawyer moment, calling hurley 'Grimace'

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

Locke is a moron. I wonder if he realizes that he's a moron yet. I mean how much more evidence does the guy need?!?!

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, they left the horse and the cow?

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

They probably got blowed up.

Also both would be kind of inconvenient for their raid of the Other's suburbs.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

lol fake horse

― abanana, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

http://lostpedia.com/images/thumb/a/af/AlvarHansoProfile.jpg/200px-AlvarHansoProfile.jpg

Is this the guy with the eyepatch?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

The Russian translation btw:

Klugh: Mikhail. Mikhail! You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way [out].
Klugh: We cannot risk. You know the conditions.
Mikhail: There is another way.
Klugh: They captured us. We will not give (or let, or betray) [unintelligible].
Klugh: You know what to do. It is an order.
Mikhail: We still have another way!
Klugh (in English): Just do it, Mikhail.
Mikhail: Forgive me. (shoots)

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

Okay apparently they are two different actors according to IMDB so nevermind. They do look kind of alike.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

So next week reveals the Claire-Jack relationship, right?

― jaymc, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

haha yeah, Jack is Aaron's dad!

I really think the only dumb thing Locke did was not yell "OMG GUYS COME LOOK AT THIS" when he got through to Marvin Candle. He didn't know the place was rigged up with explosives, he might've thought by entering 77 he would just be calling in reinforcements or something.

However I will say I am a fan of any story arc that makes Locke look stupid if it means more eye-rolling from Sayid.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't Sayid take the "Operations Manual" with him though?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

locke = dumb example, you have a guy who just shot your friend tied up on the floor. Hey sounds like a good time for computer games!

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

"Didn't Sayid take the "Operations Manual" with him though?"

Yes, I think he did.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think Locke was conditioned by the hatch button, and feared dire consequences if he didn't make his chess move.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

locke = dumb example, you have a guy who just shot your friend tied up on the floor. Hey sounds like a good time for computer games!

OTM. as soon as he did this i said, aloud, "oh you fucking moron."

lost is the only show on tv that causes me to yell at the characters.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

I don't get to watch this episode until I get home from work tonight. ;_;

― jessie monster, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

I just sighed when he did that.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

Lost likes to get rid of black characters, doesn't it?

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

haha, kind of

Locke isn't dumb he's just amenable to coercion - the guy telling him he has never beat the chess game, so painfully obviously a set-up, Locke doesn't notice though because he's ~~an idiot~~ completely hopeless.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

"Lost likes to get rid of black characters, doesn't it?"

I'm pretty sure they're only doing it now in a completely meta "we know you think we like to kill off all the black characters, so bam! there goes another" kind of way.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

...he might've thought by entering 77 he would just be calling in reinforcements or something.

But surely he'd realize that he, Jack and Kate would be considered "hostiles" by whoever/whatever was monitoring the codes. Good episode all around, but that was too much the necessary plot advancement for me.

Also entering the code gave them just enough time to clear the building? I do enough suspending disbelief with this show!

― nickn, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

I meant Sayid, of course, not Jack.

― nickn, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

anyone got the screen capture of the page from russian dude's great lost russian novel he was writing? no way i could read that thing so fast.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

I really didn't think this show could get any worse. And yet, it has.

Every week a new character to introduce, draw up, and further cloud everything. The back story gimmick has gotten beyond tired...this week's was just positively dismal.

― Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

does anyone remember the horrible show that penny from LOST was on on hbo. the mind of a married man? so bad. she was okay though.

http://www.ez-entertainment.net/carpet/femmefatale/3370.JPG

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

she was on the american version of coupling too that was on for five minutes.

― scott seward, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

assuming that Patchy's telling the truth, he's an other who got there in 1993? When did "the purge" happen? Where does this leave Radzinsky/Kelvin? Were they just forgotten Dharmites? Kelvin joined Dharma and was sent to the island some time AFTER the first Gulf War so it definitely still existed just before or even after Patchy arrived on the island.

Russian dude's story thingy:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Mikhail%27s_document

Seems like a novel about the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

― Roz, Thursday, 8 March 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

wow, you mean another episode means that questions were answered with...MORE FUCKING QUESTIONS?

― Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 8 March 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)

Don, why do you still watch the show? It's quite obvious you no long enjoy playing the game.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 March 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

wow, you mean another episode means that questions were answered with...MORE FUCKING QUESTIONS?

haha I think Don has actually been watching JEOPARDY

― nickalicious, Thursday, 8 March 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

Now Sayid's gonna get down with the torture.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 8 March 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Yay L O S T is getting more LOSTESQUE by the week!

I like that they let Sawyer get in some new nicknames just before he lost. "Avalanche" "Crouching Tiger and Hidden Dragon" :)

My clever wife called Hurley being l33t ping pong dude due to lengthy institutionalising.

Locke stop being a malleable clown!
"oh fuck he's going to go play chess!"
"oh fuck he's going to press 7 7 and blow everything up!"
I like that we all started oh so many years ago thinking of him as cool as fuck badass hunting tracking slightly mystic man and episode by episode they've managed to turn him into a fucking gullible idiot who follows bearings from a fucking stick.

Sayid back in full badass mode!

Don't shoot Miss Klugh you bastard! In Soviet Russia Miss Klugh shoots you!

Marvin Candle has a fake hand!

I'm back to not trusting Rousseau again.

― onimo, Friday, 9 March 2007 00:49 (eighteen years ago)

Johnny my friend, I want to quit the show but it is like a bad meth habit for me. I'm giving up cold turkey after this season unless there are promises that next season is the last.

― Dandy Don Weiner, Friday, 9 March 2007 01:06 (eighteen years ago)

ergh, back to the ABC website i had to go...

disappointed (as ever) about no reference to 'Cerberus' at all but otherwise AWESOME

Locke actually got some useful info by playing the chess game so you should cut him some slack - esp. as he didn't know about the explosives.

if anyone is stupid it is Rousseau - 16 years on the island and she'd never come across The Flame before? she knew not to trust it tho i guess.

why didn't Sayid ask Mikhail what happened to his eye?

and did anyone think that the cat, at times, looked somewhat.....SERIOUS?

― blueski, Friday, 9 March 2007 01:16 (eighteen years ago)

Too bad about the no nicknames thing cause John "dumbass" Locke kind've rolls off the tongue.

― Dan I., Friday, 9 March 2007 02:23 (eighteen years ago)

a fucking gullible idiot who follows bearings from a fucking stick

but the stick led them to the flame, so....

i'm not saying he's not a dumbass, but following the stick turned out to be smart, yeah?

― lxy, Friday, 9 March 2007 02:53 (eighteen years ago)

why didn't Sayid ask Mikhail what happened to his eye?

Maybe he'll ask him that next week just before that spoilery thing from "Next Week on 'Lost'" happens.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 9 March 2007 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

CAT ON LOST, CAT ON LOST!!!!

i love this show, and now it has EVERYTHING.

― g-kit, Friday, 9 March 2007 08:43 (eighteen years ago)

also, if yr torrents break and you can't be arsed finding a proxy that actually works on the ABC site, there's always this site: http://www.tv-links.co.uk/Lost_links.html

streaming versions of every episode, not great quality, but no ads, less hassle than ABC and the eps are up pretty fast.

― g-kit, Friday, 9 March 2007 08:54 (eighteen years ago)

How about Mikhail saying that he'd worked at a tracking station in Vladivostok? Made me jump to that finale of season two.

Here I thought Jin was going to be the badass pingponger.

I didn't think Sayid grabbed the whole manual. Yes, he took it off the shelf, but later it seemed like he only had the one page.

― jergincito, Friday, 9 March 2007 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

Locke follows his heart, not his head. haterz step off.

― blueski, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

close up of russian lost cat:

http://www.icanhascheezburger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/babushkacat.jpg

― Alan, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:29 (eighteen years ago)

nice link g-kit! it goes with all-about-s-p on my tv bookmarks

― Alan, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

all-about-s-p ?

― g-kit, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not saying he's not a dumbass, but following the stick turned out to be smart, yeah?

lucky != smart

Also, isn't following any kind of bearing a waste of time when we already learned that Sayid's compass doesn't work* on the island?

*Or maybe they do after Purple Sky Day?

― onimo, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

You'd think Kate would twig that Island Momus wasn't playing solo when she found enough butchered meat in the fridge to feed a small island community. She's a dumbass too.

― onimo, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I think the magnetic anomoly that affected compasses isn't much of an anomoly since it imploded. But who knows?

Also: Retrospective lolz @ Benry's "you guys got any milk?" line after seeing that he actually has COW ACCESS.

― g-kit, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

(south park) http://allabout-sp.net - temporarily unavailable =:-O

― Alan, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

Btw, I only watched this ep once so far, so I think maybe I missed a trick - how exactly did Sayid know that Patchy was an Other?

― g-kit, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

I assumed it was a throwback to "I know when people are lying" rather than something viewers could pick up on, like.

― g-kit, Friday, 9 March 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

he knew he was lying when he said he was alone (cos of the saddled hoss) for one.

― Alan, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

was the cat pawing at the carpet just above the trapdoor another clue? i just attributed it to Sayid's senses on these things though.

― jergincito, Friday, 9 March 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

Did anyone else here pick up on the fact that the "John 3:05" quote on Eko's stick wasn't really taken from the book of John? It's actually a bit of Genesis. But it was a message! For John! And Eko dies in S3 E05.

― JimD, Friday, 9 March 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

ooo, good catch on Eko dying in 3_05!

― g-kit, Friday, 9 March 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

Some of the script in this last episode was fucking awful.

Like Rousseau's "I am going to go now...I have learned not to trust these places", reminded me of playing a video game when character X needs to find a reason to fuck off before you do an important mission or something!

Or her woeful "you should kill him....afterall....he said...that he was going to kill us", or whatever it was. And yeah I almost turned it off in disgust when Locke went to play chess, especially as it pre-empted with him looking randy for this about 20 times and licking his lips as it said "YOUR MOVE" over and over again...

And the entire scene with the woman's story about the cat was awfully written aswell. "Humans can do what those boys did....I can't be like that, I won't!". So so clichéd.

All that said I still enjoyed this episode...though mostly at this stage it's just compulsion to see what new neat shit they find on the island.

― Ronan, Sunday, 11 March 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the chess game might be controlling the smokemonster so got over-excited. I got a nice War Games vibe from it at least.

― blueski, Sunday, 11 March 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

though mostly at this stage it's just compulsion to see what new neat shit they find on the island.

For me it is a compulsion of a different kind. Which paid off in spades this week. Also as soon as Hurley stepped up to play against Sawyer I thought, of course, he's been in hospital for ages, he'll be great at table tennis.

Poor Locke, he's always been completely gullible, and of course is now totally conditioned to push buttons whenever he finds them. It was still some pretty lazy plotting though. And I'm surprised that Sayid let Island Momus kill the woman, especially since I saw it coming, so I would certainly have expected him to.

― accentmonkey, Sunday, 11 March 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

Jack in the final episode of series 1 during the dynamite-handling: "You like to play games John?"

Locke: "Absolutely!"

So having him play the chess game was another nod to this, which was nice. I didn't have a problem with what they did with Locke in this episode.

But didn't it seem a bit tired for them to do that with Sawyer again tho - after he already lost to Jack in the card game having been arrogant. It just convinces me further that they've hit a dead end with Sawyer plot-wise and he's only good for the zings now.

― blueski, Sunday, 11 March 2007 23:28 (eighteen years ago)

you know, the way they write locke these days really pisses me off. creepy mystery orange-smile locke was so much cooler.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 12 March 2007 03:54 (eighteen years ago)

every plot point from now on: big button marked "PUSH ME!" john: "OKAYYY!"

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 12 March 2007 03:55 (eighteen years ago)

ok, what good is a self-destruct button if you have to WIN A FUCKING CHESS GAME to use it?

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 05:51 (eighteen years ago)

to be fair, bakunin was russian. they're all like chess geniuses.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 12 March 2007 07:38 (eighteen years ago)

but why did he say 'it cheats'?

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

i think to put John off playing it

― g-kit, Monday, 12 March 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

"ok, what good is a self-destruct button if you have to WIN A FUCKING CHESS GAME to use it?

Roz on Monday, 12 March 2007 05:51 (5 hours ago)"

on the fucking money.

best ep this year but even then, the fashbacks were nothing-y and the plotting was remedial bullshit. if they really just want to do five seasons, we are now exactly midway and finding out about dharma would be totally do-able. blowing up all the manuals was bush-league crap.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

i've finally accepted that they're making it up month by month :(

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

uh huh. :(

I like Sayid's backstory but I don't think this was the best episode this season. I think that goes to either the very first episode of season three with Juliet/Othersville/fishbiscuits or Desmond's flashback/forward, even though that one didn't tell us anything new either.

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

but why did he say 'it cheats'?

blueski on Monday, 12 March 2007 10:28 (2 hours ago)

I was thinking you maybe had to perform a specific series of moves (maybe a gamewinning technique that most avid chess players would know?) to activate the DHARMA menu, and the computer "cheats" when you aren't entering the right moves.

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

anyone think that locke pressing 77 could do something to any other hatches or facilities?

― Ronan, Monday, 12 March 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

ah also continuity: locke said maybe the satellite uplink went down "when the sky turned purple" -- a phrase most often used by tom. but he never saw it happen with his eyes.

i suppose he may have deliberately fucked it up so they could stay on the island, as is his wont.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

So the Others/Hostiles/whatever else they may or may not be have nothing to do with the Dharma folk and predate them? I'm not sure whether to believe that or think that it's blatant misinformation.

― mh, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

i don't know who he meant by hostiles -- or more to the point what the man in the chess computer meant. i wonder if we've seen a hostile yet?

the dharma stuff seems quite 70s/80s. whereas island momus and gulf war vet came only in the last decade or so. and the name 'dharma' didn't come up when juliet was being recruited. but if she's a hostile, what's ben's deal?

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x12-pan/normal_par-avion-cap19.jpg

I am excited for this!!!!!

― nickalicious, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

The guy who was in the hatch with Desmond referred to the Others (presumably) as "Hostiles", he was supposed to be Dharma, but who knows etc.

― Colonel Poo, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure the Others ARE the 'hostiles', not Dharma people and there are no other others. Having a third rogue faction in addition to Dharma and Others (assuming they're not affiliated) seems TOO OTT.

Was Kelvin the first Dharma dude to refer to 'hostiles'? We never saw him tell Desmond all he knew about them which is stupid (more stupid if Desmond never even pursued it). I'm sure he was official Dharma 'employee' but if he was only lying to Desmond about having to wear protective gear outside what was the sickness that killed Tail survivors (or Rousseau's people) - still unknown.

Presumably the idea is that at some point Ben and co. took over Dharma facilities either by force or after they were abandoned (after 'incidents') for their own projects (whatever reason they needed to be on the other island for...if the writers have even thought of one yet, plus whatever they did with Walt). Rousseau also seems to know fuck all about Dharma quelle surprise, only ever talks about Others.

I'm off to read as many spoilers as I can find now.

What about the cattle near The Flame? Did they survive explosion? Shame about the charcoaled beef, but I guess no-one goes hungry on this ridiculous island anyway.

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

Here's a question: When Sawyer got the fish biscuit, Tom said "It only took the polar bears two hours," right? So Tom knew about the purpose for that DHARMA facility? I wonder if the Others initially cooperated with DHARMA and had some kind of split over something?

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah. hmmm, but clearly klugh, and therefore ben, is not regarded as a 'hostile' by island momus. tbh i see no reason to think hatch guy w. desmond was not with ben either! ben didn't know about the boat, but he knew about the hatch and the numbers etc...

and yet the theory that some other others took away the kids is also blown out the water now.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

"Presumably the idea is that at some point Ben and co. took over Dharma facilities either by force or after they were abandoned (after 'incidents') for their own projects"

how to explain klugh then?

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

my feeling is that no OG dharmas are left... ethan and juliet are recent vintage, klugh and island momus's collaboration discredits island momus vs ben's crew idea, and most dharma gear seems old or outdated.

which "merely" leaves ben's having lived there all his life claim.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

how to explain klugh then?

what's to explain?

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

if he's friends with klugh, who is a "hostile" to island momus? it can't be team benry?

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

OK I am reading LOST spoilers and seriously if one more episode gets called a "game-changer" I am going to go down to hawaii and stab some bitches.

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

wasn't mikhail only talking about 'hostiles' to try and gain Sayid's acceptance?

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

Also, remember that the company that recruited Juliet was as far as we know called Mittelos, not Dharma.

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

was it Mikhail who edited the Dharma film (the missing bit of reel that Eko found in the Arrow along with the glass eye which presumably belongs to Mikhail - but perhaps this was stolen by someone else who also edited the film for some reason which will probably NEVER be known and it doesn't even seem that important anyway).

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

There is the possibility that Klugh & Mikhail are part of a faction within the Others organization that want Ben out/power to change hands (possibly homies w/ Juliet and her surgery murder scheme rather than Tom/Ben).

― nickalicious, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

"wasn't mikhail only talking about 'hostiles' to try and gain Sayid's acceptance?

blueski on Monday, 12 March 2007 17:42 (14 minutes ago)"

yeah exactly -- so who ARE the hostiles ref'd to by the chess computer man?

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

if hostiles existed when that tape was made (maybe it was redubbed tho!!!???) the people conspiring against ben ain't them.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

maybe there were NEVER ANY HOSTILES and it was a ploy by the dharma higher-ups to keep their troops loyal.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone could be the Hostiles. The Losties could be the Hostiles. WE ARE ALL THE HOSTILES.

― Beth Parker, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

yeah exactly -- so who ARE the hostiles ref'd to by the chess computer man?

what? you mean the Dharma guy in the video (Marvin Candle or whatever)? surely he's talking about Ben and Mikhail's people also - they've been there a long time (before Dharma).

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

If I'd known that I'd have to log in for every other post, I would have come up with a shorter email address.

― Beth Parker, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

If there was no hostiles, then why would Mikhail say that everything he told them was true except for the part about being Dharma? Right now, he's in opposition to Dharma and therefore so is Ms Klugh.

Anyway, re: whether Kelvin was a part of Dharma... probably.

If Mikhail is telling the truth, then it's possible that the Others/Hostiles didn't know about The Swan, and therefore didn't know about Kelvin which is why he seemed to have been left there waiting for someone who never came (Kelvin to Desmond: "Are you him?").

Or maybe they knew about it but they couldn't get to it because of Smokey. So the Others left the last Dharma dude down there because they needed somebody to continue pushing the button anyway. Meanwhile, they continue to monitor him and then later Desmond and then the Losties via the Pearl.

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

OK, here's my new theory from left field that really makes no sense:

Ben has lived on the island all his life because he's the time-accelerated result of a Dharma fertility program that results in sterile children, as are several of the other... uh, Others. They ended up revolting and allied themselves with a few of the people that Dharma had brought to the island in later years (who were basically contractors) and took over, booting Dharma out.

― mh, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

mh's theory is good.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

the Others did know about all the hatches/Dharma installations but we don't know how long. presumably they were happy enough for Kelvin and then Desmond to keep pushing the button as long as they stayed in the hatch and didn't interfere with their way of life (and didn't communicate with the outside world - luckily(?) Dharma film for the Swan strongly discouraged this).

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

"if he's friends with klugh, who is a "hostile" to island momus? it can't be team benry?"

erm...he was lying. the others are the hostiles and the computer talks about "hostiles" meaning the others, meaning mikhail, meaning klugh, meaning ben. he LIED, it's not his house or his computer, so it's talking about him when it says "hostiles".

― Ronan, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

marvin candle's video is from like the '70s or early '80s. he refers to hostiles. he can't mean juliet, ethan, mikhail, klugh, or gulf war hatch man.

only ben claims to have been on the island before the '90s.

it's possible he is what candle meant by a hostile.

i figure that Ben was born on the island to people already involved in whatever projects his people continue to do today even if that was just live in the old Dharma barracks and have book club. so there were predecessors to Juliet, Ethan and co. and these would be the people who were 'hostiles' to Dharma at that time.

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking maybe the Others revolted due to being intentionally infected with the virus Rousseau, et al. talk about?

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

"erm...he was lying. the others are the hostiles and the computer talks about "hostiles" meaning the others, meaning mikhail, meaning klugh, meaning ben. he LIED, it's not his house or his computer, so it's talking about him when it says "hostiles".

Ronan on Monday, 12 March 2007 15:11 (1 minute ago)"

but when candle made the tape the others/hostiles/team benry weren't there. unless there's a 30-odd year war between dharma and some other shadowy billionaire-funded science project...

i don't know why i'm so invested in this; i doubt the execs gamed it out this far.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

some other shadowy billionaire-funded science project...

You forget the existence of one Charles Widmore.

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

the relationship between dharma and ben et al; the relation between ethan and juliet's employers and these two groups; the fact dharma still makes airdrops... all on next week's lost, fer shure.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

well the "to schedule a supply drop..." bit proves that someone actually requested it? Maybe the Others (since we KNOW Klugh is an Other, I'm going to assume Mikhail is too) are aiming to at least keep the Losties alive.

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

according to the blast door map i think the air-drop is an automated/routine 'every three months' process

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

ahhhh.

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

dharma needs some help with its systems if it continues to airdrop long after the project has been hijacked or whatever!

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

but who orchestrated that? someone on mainland at Dharma who knows there are still Dharma people on the island/in the Swan?

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

they're basically an NGO, they're sure to have administrative issues up the yahoo.

[/lame IR nerd jokes]

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

there are no 'hatches'/Dharma installations unaccounted for now are there? apart from the radio tower

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

but when candle made the tape the others/hostiles/team benry weren't there. unless there's a 30-odd year war between dharma and some other shadowy billionaire-funded science project...

Mikhail mentioned that originally there was a truce between Dharma and the hostiles. It is possible then that the tape was made a long time ago when there was an existing truce, but just in case a hostile broke it and entered the Flame, the self-destruct button was there to be used. As to whether team benry was there or not, Ben had lived there all his life, presumably there were others who raised him - the predecessors of the present hostiles.

Supply drops: will there be any more now that both the Flame and the Swan have been destroyed? The Swan went into lockdown whenever there was an incoming supply drop.

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

anyone who has seen the cast list of the nikki/paolo ep should be stoked. looks like an on-island flashback.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking maybe the Others revolted due to being intentionally infected with the virus Rousseau, et al. talk about?

Oh oh oh! This would explain their pre-occupation with vaccinations esp for Claire's baby! Also I was thinking the Other day haha that maybe the INFECTION has to do with INFERTILITY.

― nickalicious, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

there are no 'hatches'/Dharma installations unaccounted for now are there? apart from the radio tower

Okay so there are supposed to be six "stations". So far we have seen these on the show:

*The Swan - Desmond's bachelor pad
*The Flame - home of the exploding chess cow
*The Arrow - where Eko et al found the glass eye & bible/footage
*The Hydra - Alcatraz island where the Others forced Carl to listen to techno
*The Staff(?) - medical hatch where Claire and Ethan had good ol' times
*The Pearl - the fun room with all the tvs where Paulo took a dump

However a) the Pearl was the "?" in the center of 6 stations on the blast door map, AND b) it has been mentioned in a podcast by the producer dudes that the medical station wasn't necessarily a proper Dharma "station", so there could still be 1 or 2 more stations which may or may NOT include the radio tower.

― nickalicious, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

also it would explain the Others' conviction that they're "the good guys." Being infected with some disease would definitely make you feel like a victim.

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

xpost, obv.

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

anyone who has seen the cast list of the nikki/paolo ep should be stoked. looks like an on-island flashback.

I am also stoked for this because some of the really best best drama they have ever done on this show is the stuff based on inter-815er dramas, with only maybe passing references to what else is going on on the island (I'm thinking particularly 1.18[?], "...In Translation", the one when Walt burned the raft).

― nickalicious, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

I'm also looking forward to that episode because of one particular guest star. Won't spoil it. ;)

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

that one's gonna be a real "game-changer" I hear. :/

― jessie monster, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

It is possible then that the tape was made a long time ago when there was an existing truce, but just in case a hostile broke it and entered the Flame, the self-destruct button was there to be used.

It's not exactly a self destruct button though is it?

"Oh no we've got hostiles attacking the facility! Pawn to King 4!"

― onimo, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

but it said push 77 if hostiles are attacking, not push 77 if you want to blow the joint. why so indirect? mindfuckery.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

after spoilerific peeking i am now v excited about forthcoming Paolo/Nikki flashback

― blueski, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

*The Hydra - Alcatraz island where the Others forced Carl to listen to techno

Wasn't the Hydra just the underwater pod where they were holding Jack?

― Beth Parker, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

Also, remember that the company that recruited Juliet was as far as we know called Mittelos, not Dharma.

buuuut... mittelos = mittelwerk = head of hanso foundation (as far as we know) = hanso foundation = started the dharma initiative.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

non-canon

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

well it ain't fanon, brother

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

Mittelwerk ended up blowing up the Hanso Foundation headquarters and disappeared after he was found to be involved in shady stuff, no longer head of Hanso. So Mittelos may not be Dharma. Still, Lost Experience != LOST the series.

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

WELL THEN WHY DID I WASTE THOSE THREE MONTHS OF MY LIFE, ROZ?

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

That should be HE's no longer head of Hanso. And shady stuff refers to the testing of a deadly virus - it was in that Sri Lanka video.

Sorry for the crappy typing, I should be asleep by now heh.

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

I don't know. We all did. :(

― Roz, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

i think paolo is a communist, or at least a socialist. 'we share things now,' with that accent. dude coulda been the sidekick in the motorcycle diaries!

― jergincito, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

the BIG MIND-BLOWING REVEAL is coming in 3 weeks i think...

― blueski, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

"game-changer". but yep, 28 march.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

I just found out Naveen Andrews shares my birthday. Awesome.

― Roz, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

i think they'll explain the time-shift thing re time moving slower on the island. a week on the island could be a month for the rest of the world. gotta explain Walt's growth somehow!

i read something about them referencing the 041226 tsunami as well? it'll soon be Christmas '04 on Lost Island, but i hope they don't do a Christmassy episode...Jack and Ben locking arms to sing carols etc. at least they appear to be ignoring Thanksgiving.

― blueski, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

who follows bearings from a fucking stick

just a guess but is North 305 the same bearing that Ben told Walt & Michael to go in the boat? I don't have a copy of the season 2 finale to check.

― dmr, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

It was three something something, you might be right!

Christmas episode could be dope though; Locke and Sayid find another Dharma station - the Alpha - and who do they find inside but JOLLY OL ST NICK HIMSELF!!!

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

I seem to remember the boat bearing being 320. But i could be wrong :D

― Jibe, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

Close but no cigar:

Ben: "Do you know how to drive a boat?"

Michael: "Yeah, I can drive a boat."

Ben: "Good, 'cause you're gonna take this boat and follow a compass bearing of 325 and if you do that exactly, you and your son will find rescue."

Michael: "Well that's it, I follow the bearing and me and my son get rescued?"

Ben: "Yes."

― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

Are there no more wild boars? They need to introduce an amazonian boar huntress.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

Besides Rousseau?

― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know if Rousseau ever fucked with the boars (she can be seen in s01e22 eating a raw bird's egg, however).

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

http://shots.oxo.li/hot/OXO-World/Raquel_Welch.jpg

An apprentice for Rousseau. A girl-power thing.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

I shouldn't read this thread, it only makes me wish the new episode was on RIGHT NOW.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

who follows bearings from a fucking stick

I had a little conversation with myself about road signs after I posted that :)

― onimo, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 20:06 (eighteen years ago)

apparently there will be a new female character soon...

― blueski, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

I want more Cindy but that would mean more Others and less Losties.

― onimo, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

haha today I realized that juliet is the woman that had the chain link fence bare bosom sandwich with angelia jolie in gia.

― Lingbert, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 04:07 (eighteen years ago)

to netflix!

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

This episode kind of excited me mostly because it means Locke and Sayid will get much more of the screen-time they deserve from now on. Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see Jack for a while longer though.

I'm psyched about the Claire episode as well because she's one of the only original cast members whose backstory still feels like it has massive gaps in it. Kate and Locke as well maybe.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

i like jack, but the problems recently have been more about plotting and writing. sawyer's character has gone way off track -- he's great as a minor comic character, as in the hippyvan ep, but there's been too much kate-jack-sawyer love triangulation, not enough L O S T stuff. as a result the two eps in which sawyer and kate were escaping hydra island were undercooked -- lots of space for discovery, but they used it for post-coital awkwardness.

jack on his own with the others -- if they try to not introduce more sodding replicant characters -- could work. said it before but they should follow jack (and juliet!) off the island, take some risks.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

It's not just that there's been too much Kate/Sawyer, it's also that it makes no fucking sense. I have no idea what either one is supposed to be angry about or in love about or anything.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

Ana Lucia played it right: lay the guy then forget about it. Then die.

― onimo, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 10:09 (eighteen years ago)

AH SCRUUED ER

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

Why are D&C no longer taking the podcasts? Boo. For the first half of the season, they were more entertaining than the show proper.

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

I know, I thought maybe it was a one-week hiatus, but it's been three weeks in a row now.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

are they really that good? the one video podcast i watched was massively dull and pointless.

― blueski, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)

They're quite amusing, and sometimes they give vague spoilers and clarify assumptions that fans have made (e.g., Jai-Lee jumped out the window without any help).

― jaymc, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

Jai-Lee jumped out the window without any help

Is that the assumption or the correction?

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

that's the kind of thing they don't even need to bother answering really. see also jack's tats. i bet they spent a good hour on that in the podcast.

― blueski, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

That's the correction, RH.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

haha I am really excited for tonight, in that weird LOST-only-show-I-care-to-watch-all-week climactic way I haven't felt since like season 1, which I guess is possibly just fallout from being Heroes/Avatar/etc-other-awesome-shows-less this week (and the next, and the next, etc).

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

reading all the spoilers i could find has actually boosted my enthusiasm for this show massively. just bring it, you mothers.

― blueski, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― jessie monster, Thursday, 15 March 2007 02:28 (eighteen years ago)

I would've liked seeing blood spurt out of Kate's ears but her "Oh no, Jack is having fun!" face was a pretty decent substitute. Stupid Kate.

― lindseykai, Thursday, 15 March 2007 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

I AM SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS EPISODE.

LOL @ DESMOND, KING COCKBLOCK.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 15 March 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

That was excellent, I've never seen blood literally squirting out of someone's ears on tv before.

Tom throws a football like a gurl.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 03:25 (eighteen years ago)

i was digging goth claire!

― scott seward, Thursday, 15 March 2007 03:55 (eighteen years ago)

whoa locke has been "compromised"

lol @ jack/tom football bro-down

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 04:22 (eighteen years ago)

Extreme rolling @ Ayn Rand.

Also, funniest episode cliffhanger ever.

Good stuff.

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 15 March 2007 04:23 (eighteen years ago)

Claire emerging from the wrecked car, through the windshield, was pretty spectacular.
As was Mikhael's blood spurting.
I feel very satisfied by this episode.

― aimurchie, Thursday, 15 March 2007 04:31 (eighteen years ago)

good episode. locke is back in play.

lol @ jack/tom football bro-down

haha. i hope this means more tom.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 15 March 2007 05:10 (eighteen years ago)

also, claire as a sullen teen goth piercer = way less annoying, way hotter.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 15 March 2007 05:10 (eighteen years ago)

claire as jack's brother OHMYGOD just the kind of coincidence? think-again! bullshit i dislike about the show...

super sonic force field is rad, though, and goth claire was def. hot; i agree.

― Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 15 March 2007 05:38 (eighteen years ago)

Touchdown!

― Clay, Thursday, 15 March 2007 06:05 (eighteen years ago)

Why didn't Jack do the Iggy Shuffle?

― Clay, Thursday, 15 March 2007 06:05 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously that was a pretty good episode though. Surprising kind of, considering it was Claire-oriented!

― Clay, Thursday, 15 March 2007 06:06 (eighteen years ago)

Sister, my brother.

― aimurchie, Thursday, 15 March 2007 06:06 (eighteen years ago)

"claire as jack's brother OHMYGOD just the kind of coincidence? think-again! bullshit i dislike about the show..."

B-b-b-but they implied it was the case AGES ago!

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 15 March 2007 06:24 (eighteen years ago)

Another great episode IMO, btw. Def. weirdest cliffhanger I've seen in a while.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 15 March 2007 06:25 (eighteen years ago)

not really. after jack saw kate and sawyer post coitus he kinda just gave up i thought.

― chaki, Thursday, 15 March 2007 06:35 (eighteen years ago)

B-b-b-but they implied it was the case AGES ago!

and thank god they did or that aspect would've been terrible!

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 15 March 2007 07:47 (eighteen years ago)

that cliffhanger was fucking awesome how it looked like jack was making a break for it but then it turned out to just him going long for QB Tom.

goth claire = hot.

only wtf part was her using the kind of piercing gun they use on 12 year olds at the mall.

this was the ep my GF and i saw them shooting scenes of (mentioned on sandboxx thread).

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 15 March 2007 08:11 (eighteen years ago)

Extreme rolling @ Ayn Rand.

Haha, in the case of Mikhail - BLOOD Fountainhead. Ok kill me now.

Wow. This was great, rofflez at Kate's final expression hahaha. I don't see why Jack would've given up though, didn't he have some kind of plan to get off the island?

And HA, Locke apparently not Captain Stupid after all... dude has a plan. Anyone catch what Mikhail was about to say about him? Did he say "the John Locke I knew was... bad"? "pa..(raplegic)?

― Roz, Thursday, 15 March 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I'm kinda bummed that Claire never found out Christian Shephard's name - might make it a bit more interesting if she knew that Jack was her brother all along.

― Roz, Thursday, 15 March 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

dude, that's so when jack and claire are escorted into an office and then the guy in the chair whirls around and goes "WELCOME!" and it's christian they'll both go "DAD?!"

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 15 March 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

haha BLOOD FOUNTAINHEAD, I bet that's why they had him reading that book, seriously.

I think Mikhail said something about "a fleeting memory" and "the John Locke I know is para-" LYZED (I get the impression that maybe Locke IS on the list?). It kind of really pissed me off how he got cut off and never completed his thought (lol he died in his next scene) then I realized it was the kind of thing they know pisses off fans, and suddenly how I roffled. Also, during his "I know you" speech he didn't so much as look at Rousseau; do you think he just hadn't gotten to her yet, or possibly he's got nothing on her? Or possibly they are secret lovers? etc?

I really want Jack and Claire to find out about each other, that would be sweet, Uncle Jack. They probably never will though. I kind of wish they had made out once or twice back in season 1 so we could be all "ew". I bet this mysterious guy-above-Ben "magnificent man" turns out to be a magically still alive Christian and the Others are gonna be all "take them to HIM" thinking it's PUNISHMENT time for ol' Jack and Claire and Aaron and then it's Christian and he's all like "my babies" and Ben is like "d'oh".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

And definitely my favorite cliff-hanger ending yet, probably since day 1.

80 days on the island, huh?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

"the John Locke I knew was para-"

he was gonna say paraplegic or paralyzed

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

ugh xpost

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

Godammit John Locke you have got to stop killing off people/things that could provide answers!
That message thing is a good idea BUT putting a piece of paper on a seagull with nothing to protect it will result in people somewhere finding a piece of mush attached to their seagull. OR Claire and Charlie just thought that they were so close to land that the seagull would never ever set "foot" in water. It'snot an easy task getting off a lost island noone knows but they sure as hell aren't helping their case.

― Jibe, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

I'm kind of getting annoyed at how Locke is turning into an utter buffoon, but I'm hoping that this is an intentional character development instead of just lazy writing. I guess we'll find out next week.

― jaymc, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

I thought throwing whatshisface through the sonic wall of death was a pretty good idea. It wasn't like him staying alive was going to help was going to help them.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

That said, Locke probably should have talked to everyone before he did it.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

I think the part where Mikhail nearly reveals Locke's paralysis is significant. Deep inside, Locke DOESN'T WANT to leave the island. On the island, he's.. ya know, THE HUNTER. I mean, he knew about the C4. That pretty much suggests that he knew what would happen if he entered 77.

― Roz, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that's a good point.

― jaymc, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

Great episode! Even though I normally hate Claire and Charlie and wish that Desmond would just stop intervening to prevent Charlie's demise.

I'm not sure where they're going with Locke, but damn that man just can't resist pushing buttons - literal or metaphorical.

lol at Sawyer with The Fountainhead and also almost breaking his no nicknames rule. And the Jack n Tom football - does Jack have a PLAN? Or has he really capitulated to the appeal of lostburbia?

Um, is Sun still pregnant? I have forgotten and she looks as flat as a board.

― Archel, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh I didn't think about this, what if he was so ready to kill Mikhail because he didn't want Kate and Sayid wheelchair spoilered!

I don't think Locke is dumb at all, I think he very definitely has a plan, a plan he is keeping secret from Sayid.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, when you think about it, all Locke has ever done is sabotage any attempt to get off the island - remember he knocked Sayid out once while triangulating the radio signal. The only time where he has really wrongly blown things up was when he was losing his faith in the hatch.

I think Locke has his own plans and purpose but it's tied to his relationship to the island. Remember, when Locke sees Smokey, he sees a bright light - I think this makes him different somehow from the rest.

― Roz, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

once the C4 was found in his backpack and he wouldn't say why, and they kept playing ominous music in the background, I jumped to the conclusion that Ben turned him to the Other side during one of their little chats ("you're special John ... you're on the list ..." etc etc). He's just better at hiding it than Michael. That makes a lot of his actions over the last couple episodes make more sense -- like, he didn't just REALLY REALLY want to play chess, his mission was to blow up the hatch before Sayid could read all the files. Or something like that.

And yeah, keeping the secret that he was paralyzed probably comes into play when he killed Mikail (and was probably "an order" for the same reason Mikail killed Klugh, he just had to wait for his chance).

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

It may be intentional character development but it remains annoying. Mikhail couldn't stop talking (which seemed a bit odd actually considering his attitude in the previous ep) and I'm sure they could have gotten him to talk a bit more. Let me echo Claire's own words "I want answers" (ok those were not her exact words but who cares)! Sure Mikhail's death was useful and shit but you'd have thought they'd have tried to get a maximum of info about the place they are trying to get into before they threw him to his death. It's typical Lost but Locke pulling the same shit twice in what amounts to 2 hours is annoying. Loved the way he just went "Sorry" and Sayid seemed to let it go.

― Jibe, Thursday, 15 March 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

I also fail to understand what Locke gains from hiding the fact that he was paralysed before coming to the island. Does he fear accusations of black magic and shit? Does he think the losties believe it is time for an Inquisition on the island, which would lead to his burning? Is he ashamed of his paralysis?

― Jibe, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

Several people know that Locke was in a wheelchair before, don't they?

― Archel, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

Rose knew - I think she's the only one who knows though. But they have that in common, the island "cured" her.

― Roz, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

Okay this is the only thing that bothered me about this episode. Once Mikhail started talking, why did no one go "OH BY THE WAY THAT SMOKE THING WTF DUDE WTFFFFFFFF"??!! Hopefully that is the first question Locke asks Ben next week.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

And before Ben replies, Locke will throw him down a well or feed him to the polar bears!

― Jibe, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

Um, is Sun still pregnant? I have forgotten and she looks as flat as a board.

It's only been about three weeks in island time since she found out she was pregnant.

― jaymc, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

Is he ashamed of his paralysis?

I think this is it. He wants to be seen as a bad-ass.

― jaymc, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

His badass cred is insanely high what with the boar-hunting, house-exploding, Other-killing, hatch-digging. Also, being that badass while having just recovered from paralysis makes him even more badass. Out with the truth Locke!

― Jibe, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

I think super-powerful HIM is going to be Billy Dee Williams and I am going to roffle for hours.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

Hahaha YES.

― Roz, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

maybe not a major wtf point, but when they were climbing over the sonic death wall via the nifty tree ladder, one person at least was holding down the bottom of the tree while another climbed over. Who held the tree for the last person? I was sure it was going to be Rousseau, 'cause she wouldn't want to visit the Others compound. And yet, there she was, at the end, in the compound. Hmm.

― pauls00, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

"Jacob's list .... it works every time."

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f110/teajay33/COlt-45---Billy-Dee.jpg

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

"Jacob's list .... it works every time."

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f110/teajay33/COlt-45---Billy-Dee.jpg

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

oops

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

Lando: We need to get off this island right now. *pulls levers on sub, makes chu-chuuu-chuuuu sound*
Kate and Sayid: wtf?
Lando: It's not my fault...they told me they fixed it!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway we all know whoever Lando plays on LOST he will die because LOST hates black people.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

i completely forgot about rose! where she at? i hope all-powerful leader is bernard. i have a feeling when they do show big leader it's gonna be some dude i don't even recognize from some flashback i barely remember.

― scott seward, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

but, yeah, if it is billy dee i will cheer wildly.

― scott seward, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

show was already getting pretty Star Wars with Jack as Luke and Claire as Leia

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

can we talk some more about Dwight Schrute's cinematic debut??

― jessie monster, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I was kind of distracted by that. The Last Mimzy??

― jaymc, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

I kept expecting it to be some kind of elaborate joke.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

If I was Christian Shepherd in the hospital room with my daughter saying "I don't even want to know your name" I would have told her my name anyway. Anyone would. It's not like she could will herself to forget it. Also, she would want to know.
No more nitpicking from me, though. Great episode.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

The Last Mimzy looks kind of incredible; every perview I see for it looks completely different. My son had never heard of it when I asked my son if he wanted to go see it this weekend, he gave me The Eyebrow.

I think Christian maybe didn't want her to know, or maybe wanted to do at least one thing right by her.

I think Rose & Bernard haven't been on recently because they (the actorrrs) are involved in other projects right now (this happened also in season 1 when everyone was all "where's Rose?" and she was off doing some Broadway thing).

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

haha my son my son my son my son etc

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

Good episode, but eyepatch guy sure didn't live up to the speculative hype, did he?

― Dan I., Thursday, 15 March 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

Like Kate, I'm not convinced he's dead, although it would fit with LOST's habit of killing off deus ex machina type characters in spectacular, kickass ways (see also: Arzt).

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

I am so pissed that they finally got around to making a movie of one of the greatest short stories ever ("Mimsy Were The Borogroves") and they've proceeeded to completely fuck it up and turn it to nonsense.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 15 March 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

xpost - I totally thought Kate was gonna lift up the eyepatch

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

ME TOO. the definitely should have at least searched his body for, I dunno, hinty stuff.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 15 March 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

Here is what I am not happy with with this episode: now that Sawyer has added The Fountainhead to his book club list lots of LOST dorks are going to start trying to attach Randian philosophy to what's going on, when it seems really obvious that it was just a joke/forshadowing of Mikhail's hilarious, awesome death scene.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:06 (eighteen years ago)

mikhail fountainhead is the new scanners.gif

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

Oh shit guys I just thought of something! Remember in Claire's flashback ep last season the nursery in the Dharma medical place had a crib mobile that played "Catch a Falling Star"? Remember how that was real creepy like "how did they know her dad sang that to her when she was a baby"? Guess what - that might be evidence that Darth Shephard is indeed alive and involved in island shenanigans. Possibly. Far-fetchedly. You know how they love far-fetched stuff though!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

his coffin was empty, after all

if island can heal locke and rose it could heal his ... uh ... deadness (rolls eyes)

― dmr, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

I'm kind of disappointed that Mikhail's lost eye wasn't unearthed by Vincent and used for a ping pong ball last week.

― Archel, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

the A-Team bits of this episode were fantastic (and I bet they blew their budget on them too)! Too bad they were in no way connected to the Clair/Charlie stuff, and neither were very connected with the flashbacks. I'm sick of TV's a-plot b-plot formula.

― abanana, Thursday, 15 March 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

The flashback was basically like oh right Claire will stick with you through no matter what (mom vs Charlie).

Next week promises to have one of the best ratios of relation between flashback and on-island stuff, if only because Ben KNOWS.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

I forgot to watch the preview. :/ Internet ahoy!

― jessie monster, Thursday, 15 March 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

Jack's little touchdown celebration cliff-hanger so funneeee

but it seems so crazy that he is now prepared to be that pally with cuddly old Tom.

next week's episode is gonna rule so hard i think.

― blueski, Thursday, 15 March 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)

Mr Bigger-Big is def gonna be Lando

― blueski, Thursday, 15 March 2007 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

Yo guys Canadian trailer. Warning: might be spoileryer than you are looking for.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

That episode was awesome! Teenage goth Claire = WAY HOT. But also because the episode with Jack's tattoos suddenly seems essential rather than annoying and pointless. There's got to be some relationship between 'he walks amongst us but he is not one of us' and Claire's weird Satan baby that no one else is allowed to bring up, right?

Also I really, really hope Jack is actually brainwashed and one of the Others and genuinely enjoying playing Big Gay Yank Football with Tom, rather than just biding his time.

Either the next episode or the one after is a Locke ep, right? I reckon he's lost his place on The List due to a) loss of faith in the button, and b) finally killing someone.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

Next one is Locke.

― jaymc, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yay!

That said, if Jack has been brainwashed, you've got to wonder what Juliet has been doing all this time.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

Ah shit, I had never even thought to connect Jack's mystical leadershipsmanship with baby Aaron "danger surrounds this baby" satanspawn! That's pretty brilliant; I imagine there is some kind of wicked badass genetical thing going on with the Shephard bloodline, maybe MIDICLORIANS?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

Also I kind of prefer to think Jack is NOT brainwashed but IS genuinely enjoying tossing the pigskin with Big Tom - I hope he calls him Big Tom now, too. Maybe Jack got over there to their suburbialand and realized yes the right thing to do would be to help his fellow crash survivors but come on, cheeseburgers and football and sidewalks and backpacks and bicycles vs being killed by smoke creature and wiping ass with leaves? Convert me you weirdos.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

Incidentally, when did they hint about the Jack/Claire thing beforehand? I totally missed that.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

Ana-Lucia episode, she follows Christian Shepard to a house in Sydney and he starts ranting on about "I have a right to see her, she's my daughter!" to a woman we now know is her aunt. Australian illegitimate daughter, hmmm, who can it be?

― Roz, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:15 (eighteen years ago)

In season 2 in whatever Ana Lucia's second flashback ep was called (ep 18 or 19?), she was in Aus with Jack(/Claire)'s dad, he went to a house and a woman (Claire's aunt Lindsey, we now know) was all "get out" and Christian was all "she's my daughter too!" and then Ana Lucia was like "yo dude wtf".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

Damn this xposting!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

Oh before I go one more thing.

Anybody remember how earlier this season Locke was all sweat-shacking it trying to get back in touch with "the island"? Is it possible his air of secrecy and his blowing everything up are maybe some kind of island directive? Like the island is secretly telling him "hey John go blow up all this shit that's not supposed to be"? I mean, a couple episodes ago I thought he was just kind of being a douche, but now it seems like he has a very, very good idea what he is trying to do.

Also, best line of this ep was Locke:

Sayid: Are you saying we shoot him down like a dog?
Locke: No! I like dogs.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

next flashback: Locke allows dog to lick peanut butter off his balls

― blueski, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think Locke is on the side of The Others just yet. If so, why kill one of them by chucking them into a forcefield that makes your brain squirt and dribble out of your ear?

What would be really awesome was if Locke was actually the Last Surviving Member Of The Dharma Initiative without even realising it. Like Luke Skywalker being the last Jedi or something.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

Locke didn't realise the sonic barrier would definitely kill Mikhail (assuming it has) but he probably thought 'fuck it' on a 50/50 chance - esp. as he needed a way to keep Mikhail quiet about his previous paralysis.

I think Locke may just have decided to fulfil his own prophecy after the button-pushing fallout and his belief he was meant to do something important/special (altho he did renounce all this a few episodes back). still he seems keen to remain on the island.

― blueski, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

am i the only one ravening for the niki/paolo on-island flashback?

― Alan, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

2 more weeks

― Alan, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

Am I the only one ravening for a ROUSSEAU FLASHBACK? There'd better fucking be one now she's one of Team Sayid/Kate.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

oh yes rousseau (i was on about that back aways ^^). i think they might be holding that for next season tho rite?

― Alan, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

nikki paulo flashback had better contain "cut" tent-sex scenes.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 16 March 2007 00:52 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, this may be dumb, but I *really* though the doctor stitching up Claire after the Lost-logo had shown up was BENRY. It totally was him, or someone looking exactly like him, you know, just to BRAKE MY BRANE. Was it BENRY?

*dies*

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 16 March 2007 01:11 (eighteen years ago)

i wanted rousseau flashback but don't think we're getting one (an alex one would also be neat).

am i the only one ravening for the niki/paolo on-island flashback?

i am too because this will be awesome and confirm them as the BRILLIANT characters they are innit...rly tho island flashbacks yes yes yes

― blueski, Friday, 16 March 2007 01:40 (eighteen years ago)

GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS!!!!!

http://imgred.com/http://img.waffleimages.com/03fd638789027220d48a9a847ca4da9cc8f2dc98/touchdown.gif
TOOOUUUUUCHDOOOOOOOOOOOWN!!!!

― nickalicious, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha

― rrrobyn, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

genius

― dmr, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

YES

― Dan I., Friday, 16 March 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

am i the only one ravening for the niki/paolo on-island flashback?

Yes, as long as they don't turn out to be another pair of ethan-style spy others.

― JimD, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

I was actually thinking about that when I was brushing my teeth the other night, and I realized that they probably aren't, because they went with Sayid, Locke, and Desmond to the Pearl and didn't seem suspicious; in fact, Nikki was the one who suggested that they try to get the other monitors to work.

― jaymc, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

I think the Nikki/Paulo stuff is intentionally idiotic. I hope they get a flashback episode setting them up with a huge, mysterious backstory, and then they get blown by dynamite at the end of the episode and never mentioned again.

― abanana, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

that is a really great idea.

i hope that now too.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

I can't stop looking at that animated gif nick posted. i'm trying to work out what Tom's doing with his arms - some sort of jazz motionz.

― blueski, Friday, 16 March 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

the short pause before the windup and spike is what kills me

― dmr, Friday, 16 March 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

haha yeah, the head-wobble

I think Tom just runs like a big sissy girl.

― nickalicious, Friday, 16 March 2007 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't recognize Tom at first when I first saw the episode, and I sincerely thought Jack was playing catch with an old woman.

― jaymc, Friday, 16 March 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

guy walking in the background sporting the:

http://a1494.g.akamai.net/7/1494/5949/c42df0e21a3ec4/graphics.iparenting.com/clipart/kids/00004081.JPG

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 16 March 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

for the over-analytical: http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/

The Others ride bikes and play futbol americano! While they might not know about the Brady Bunch, the fact that they toss the pigskin would seem to indicate American ties. Who Dey!

heh good point.

― Roz, Saturday, 17 March 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also the fact they talk in American accents dur.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 17 March 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

(Hello I've not posted here before)
Death barrier was awesome and had given me renewed faith in Lost after some of the lamest episodes eva. Except for the "No don't tell me your name" bit which was typical Lost NNNHHHHH. Patchy's explanation of the list was rubbish and can't be right can it? My theory is the good/bad people is something to do with their genetics/medical susceptibility/compatibility with whatever they're doing.

Also first thought upon seeing goth Claire: how many posts on how many msgboards will be all "goth Claire hot!!!!!!". But she is.

― Not the real Village People, Saturday, 17 March 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

island claire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goth claire

― Lingbert, Saturday, 17 March 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

agreed

― Rock Hardy, Saturday, 17 March 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

Either the next episode or the one after is a Locke ep, right? I reckon he's lost his place on The List due to a) loss of faith in the button, and b) finally killing someone.

Didn't Benry just tell Locke that to fuck with his head. "Sure you were on the list John!", "What about Claire"...."Do you like her?", "yes...", "she was on the list too John! all your friends were! how could we make something like a list without JOHNNY LOCKE as the first name on it!"

And you know even if Locke was ever on the list he'd probably find a way to burn the list or shoot the person who made it. A big part of Lost seems to be someone screwing Locke over, again and again and again....he just alternates between "omg! I love everything cos I took plant medicine and had good hallucinations" and "nnggggg he tricked me, I feel so small right now, I will never trust anyone again oh it's just like my dad that fucker, ngggghhh, just like when I lost my legs, ngggg that Benry was supposed to love me, nggggh I'm not on the list, ngggh Mikhail fooled us but..well....oh look it's a kind hearted other"

No more Claire flashbacks ever please, and also PLEASE no more fucking dumb "WE ARE THE SIMPLE PEOPLE OF THE LOST OCEANIC FLIGHT, HERE IS OUR VAIN ATTEMPT TO ESCAPE FROM THE ISLAND WITH A WEEPY STRING OUTRO, LET'S SPEAK TO THE VIEWERS AND SHOW LOTS OF CLOSE SHOTS OF PEOPLE AS WE VEER FAR AWAY FROM ANYTHING LIKE A PLOT AND INTO EMOTIONAL BUTTON PUSHING FOR THE AUDIENCE"

Seriously the letter was painful. I am so sick of the Losties kooky "projects", it's like the only point of them is to stop telling the interesting story (something the flashbacks have started to become FAR too much lately too) Really crappy episode.

― Ronan, Sunday, 18 March 2007 02:25 (eighteen years ago)

RONAN FUN HATER

― Dan I., Sunday, 18 March 2007 02:36 (eighteen years ago)

man, do NOT watch the canadian "NEXT WEEK ON LOST" thing unless you really want spoilerization.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 18 March 2007 07:53 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_3/prespoilers

don't click on this either!

― abanana, Sunday, 18 March 2007 08:11 (eighteen years ago)

Somebody please tell me why Claire & Charlie didn't think about the fact that a seagull, at one point or another, will end up in water, making a message on a piece of paper without any protection a hopeless and silly endeavour? I mean we know they are hot on hopeless and silly endeavours but you'd think they want to get off this island bad enough that they'd think those things through.

― Jibe, Sunday, 18 March 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

I just remembered the Sayid backstory bit from episode 11 - a bit irrelevant I suppose but are we meant to think he did torture that woman yet somehow managed to lie convincingly (to us) about it i.e. without long camera shot into eyes looking shifty etc, OR is it meant to be that he took pity on her pain and 'confessed' so that she could get over it and have closure as she would probably never find the real torturer (and also so he didn't get all killed up)?

Also wikipedia says he didn't understand the French transmission thing from series 1, yet he's in Paris here. IT'S A CLUE!!!!

― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 18 March 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

what did y'all think about the way bakiun(sp?) looked at kate? there was a lot going on there. it's clear to me that he saw her as a leader of some sort. i don't know what i'm trying to say, except that there was something there.

claire, hot no matter what.

― jergincito, Sunday, 18 March 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe he didnt stay in Paris very long. Him not speaking French doesn't seem too strange. However, iirc he failed to recognise that the transmission was in French.

― Jibe, Sunday, 18 March 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

i lived in japan for two years and am not too proud to say i can barely speak a word now, a few years later

― jergincito, Sunday, 18 March 2007 22:50 (eighteen years ago)

with all due respect: you sir, are no sayid.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 19 March 2007 02:12 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously the letter was painful.

haha yeah it was. during that scene I was like "damn that's a long letter!!" did they write it with one of those tiny brushes you use to write someone's name on a piece of rice or what.

― dmr, Monday, 19 March 2007 05:14 (eighteen years ago)

Somebody please tell me why Claire & Charlie didn't think about the fact that a seagull, at one point or another, will end up in water, making a message on a piece of paper without any protection a hopeless and silly endeavour?

Maybe they wrapped it in Dharma initiative clingfilm or something? Can migratory birds fly off the island anyway, or do they get eaten by the GIANT BIRD we haven't seen since series two?

― Matt DC, Monday, 19 March 2007 09:23 (eighteen years ago)

with all due respect: you sir, are no sayid.

otm

― jergincito, Monday, 19 March 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

yeah the length of the letter was funny. "I am sick and tired of these jokes about us being stuck on the island. The first such incident occurred three months ago..." etc.

― blueski, Monday, 19 March 2007 10:16 (eighteen years ago)

it started off all concise and "here is how you might find us" then veered off into cinema trailer talk "some of us have found wonder, some of us have found a world crying out for a hero, in a time when nobody believed that one person could change... everthing. it was a christmas miracle ect"

― Alan, Monday, 19 March 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

yeah exactly! the veneer of plot just vanished and it was like "let's just give them a big lovely speech for the end of the episode".

And the Losties wonder why someone is picking them off one by one with a gigantic violent smoke monster! He must have been having lunch during letter time otherwise surely he'd have sent Smokey out to do some much needed culling of Claire and Charlie. Personally I'm looking forward to Charlie's demise, though not the ensuing funeral with the piano music or the awful strings they used for the letter scene.

Also no more hospitals! Ever...

― Ronan, Monday, 19 March 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

charlie's funeral music will be wonderwall (instrumental reprise)

performed by 101 strings

― dmr, Monday, 19 March 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

I personally love the cheesy weepy piano/strings music on this show, every time. The music on this show (cheesy weepy piano stuff, weird plink plong plink plung plong adventure/mystery theme, Sayid's badass string theme, the hatch music that I could never tell if it was supposed to be music or the sound of the electromagnetic anomaly, "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" etc etc) is actually one of the main 5 reasons I love it so.

― nickalicious, Monday, 19 March 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

The other 4 are 1) Jack faces, 2) important clues!, 3) Kate tree-climbing butt shots, and 4) complete disregard for continuity.

― nickalicious, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

Obv.

― nickalicious, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

The song from Hurley's van driveabout was great too, anyone know what it was?

I clicked on the spoiler link and now i feel dirty :(

― Slumpman, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

Viewer's guide to #3 plzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)

hurley van song was three dog night - shambala

― dmr, Monday, 19 March 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

Tomorrow's episode might reveal why Locke was paralyzed. What's your guess? I'm going with psychosomatic reasons.

― abanana, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 00:01 (eighteen years ago)

"I was afraid that the wheelchair revelation might be pretty pedestrian, that it might be a disappointment, but I think it's pretty spectacular," Terry O'Quinn teases. "I don't think people will be disappointed. It stretches that suspension of disbelief, just like so many things on Lost do. But if you're willing to go along with it, it's pretty cool."

Last 2 sentences OTM.
Plus, lame 'pedestrian' gag.

― Huey in Melbourne, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

i'm going to bet his back was broken by the black box recorder from flight 815 going back in time and landing on him. i mean, why not?

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 02:37 (eighteen years ago)

I reckon Locke's legs just got so fucked off with his penchant for games and faith leaps that they went on permanent strike.

― blueski, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

Shambala is my myspace song!
g-kit's Locke's Legs theory: Locke's legswere actually made of soft cheese, but the cheese hardened during the crash, giving him the ability to tread hard ground.

― g-kit, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

His dad stole the bones from them in case he needed spares.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

WAY TO GO WITH THE SPOILERS RONAN

― g-kit, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

He met a man on the street who asked if he could borrow the feeling in his legs for 3 hours, and asked Locke to wait in that exact spot until he came back.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

"can i borrow a feeling?"

― blueski, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

The real John Locke who was in the wheelchair died in the plane crash, and this is his EVIL TWIN impersonating him.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

I so badly want to see the back of Charlie and his nostrils but I think they're going to string it out for weeks and weeks. I think Locke's big reveal will be that he's an American version of Andy from Little Britain.

"Don't wanna push the button.." etc

― Aerial Telly, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

TODAY IS TOO SLOW.

BE TONIGHT ALREADY.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

Wow I like Matt's alternate evil Locke theory - it could even tie into the Jack's dad/Eko's brother's bodies-alive-on-island thing.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

it's locke from the past, pre-accident, duh

― cutty, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

Desmond's time fuck-uppery teleported pussy-ass couldn't-shoot-that-cop Locke onto the island, d'oh.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

Wow I like Matt's alternate evil Locke theory - it could even tie into the Jack's dad/Eko's brother's bodies-alive-on-island thing.

nickalicious on Wednesday, 21 March 2007 21:06 (Yesterday)

ha ha, I put this on lostpedia a few days ago thinking it was a very out-there idea -- now I think I got it right.

― abanana, Thursday, 22 March 2007 01:02 (eighteen years ago)

OMG OMG OMGOMG OMGOM GOM GOM OMG OMGOMG MOGM OGMMMGOM!!!!!!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

You guys...THIS fucking episode!!!!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 03:04 (eighteen years ago)

"I never appreciated chicken until now"

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 03:07 (eighteen years ago)

i can't really say anything without feeling like i'm spoilerating so YEAH, GREAT EPISODE!!!

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 March 2007 03:42 (eighteen years ago)

awesomeness. wow. i think locke's father using the alias "Adam Seward" was a secret message to me from the Lost creators that I must decode. Nobody ever uses my last name on t.v.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 March 2007 04:00 (eighteen years ago)

A damn Seward.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 March 2007 04:13 (eighteen years ago)

oops that was me - I didn't get logged out for once.

― Maria :D, Thursday, 22 March 2007 04:14 (eighteen years ago)

I thott bout U bro.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 04:14 (eighteen years ago)

Oh hey guys I forgot, is Tom on their side now!?!? (His little hand signal to Jack when he brought him in to talk to Kate?!?)

I really loved the whole Jack/piano scene, I was kind of surprised by it.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 04:18 (eighteen years ago)

I thought that was a good scene, very emotional in talking to Kate. However, I turned to my husband right afterward and said, "I would have liked that a lot better if Jack didn't get on my last nerve."

The last moment of the episode took me by surprise.

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 22 March 2007 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

They were setting up that last scene over (at least) the last several minutes of the episode, but the payoff was killer. And it's the first clue in a long time that really opens up the interpretive playing field. Instead of just giving us a tiny taste of the bigger picture or actively obfuscating things further.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 22 March 2007 05:23 (eighteen years ago)

Who was the guy who unhandcuffed Locke?

― Maria :D, Thursday, 22 March 2007 05:59 (eighteen years ago)

That's the guy that recruited Juliet.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 22 March 2007 06:06 (eighteen years ago)

I'M NOT HERE FOR JACK

I'M HERE FOR THE SUBMARINE

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 22 March 2007 08:04 (eighteen years ago)

YOU'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR

AND I'M NOT

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 22 March 2007 08:04 (eighteen years ago)

It has been a long time since an episode moved things along as much as this one did.

I loved ben and locke's whole exchange in the kitchen.

Also, I am 100% certain that locke's dad is The Real Sawyer now.

(scott i thought of you too.)

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 22 March 2007 08:07 (eighteen years ago)

ok who DIDN'T think of the sewards watching this ep?

Can we get another shout out to Michael Emerson? Grebtness. Man, it has been waaayyyy too long since LOST has been this exciting, the ep actually felt too short!

― Roz, Thursday, 22 March 2007 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

Nice trick ben:.. yeah ok jack we'll let your friends go... as soon as you leave this island (which you won't, oopsies).

― Roz, Thursday, 22 March 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

ben: LAWFUL EVIL

one wonders where they get the 'lunk' class of others - the dannys and whoever that guy was that was basically danny-lite tonight.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 March 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

locke's dad in that room is just smokemonster apparition, no?

― cutty, Thursday, 22 March 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

That's what I thought too, the "box" talk helps tie together so many of this show's wtf-est moments (Jack's dad, Eko's brother, Kate's dad-spirit-horse, Sayid's cat, etc etc). I think also that "the box" played a role in whatever happened where Ben said "we got more than we bargained for with Walt" because Walt was probably conjuring all kinds of polar bears and Australian birds and who knows what etc.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

Although earlier Ben said "bring me the man from Tallahassee" to Richard (Alpert, Mittelos recruiter) which implies he might be the real deal, or maybe he just said that to get Locke's attention.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

i think locke's father using the alias "Adam Seward" was a secret message to me from the Lost creators that I must decode.

Ha ha, I thought that too.

― Nicole, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

"we don't have a code for 'there's a man in my closet holding a gun to my daughter's head'. clearly we need one"

― akm, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

my new lost theory after last night:

smokemonster is a memory extractor (as we've seen a couple of times already)

the others know everything about the losties because they've been watching all their memories the whole time--just like us, the viewers

― cutty, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

the grinding inevitability of Locke's backstory kinda bummed me out .... I think last ep. was slightly better than this one

but the actual on-island stuff was good

the sarcastic back-and-forth btw Locke and Ben was hilarious

crazy ass Rousseau seeing her daughter for the first time was kinda poignant and so was the piano scene

― dmr, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

watching all their memories the whole time--just like us, the viewers

yeah I have been thinking something along those lines too since the Desmond ep

but more like "when they have these flashbacks are they straddling 2 spots in time" or being caused to remember specific things

anyhow I do think they are going to integrate the flashbacks into a plot point

― dmr, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

My roommate's buddy was over and he did good and kept quiet most of the time but during one of the Ben/Locke scenes he was all "Kevin Spacey should play this guy" and I was almost all "GET OUT OF MY HOUSE".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

Ben, I mean.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

Damn, one of the best episodes of the season.

but during one of the Ben/Locke scenes he was all "Kevin Spacey should play this guy"

That was probably the scene where I was thinking Ben = Brian Peppers. Seriously, Inflato-Eyez.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I am 100% certain that locke's dad is The Real Sawyer now.

More on that, on lostpedia: "Anthony Cooper, Adam Seward" is an anagram for "Sawyer, the con man, a poor dad". which is a pretty good anagram yo.

Man I loved all the psyching going on, Locke all "i want the sub" Ben all "no you don't, you just wanna blow it up" and Locke all "how come you're in a wheelchair? why aren't you healing?" and then Ben all "that why you so scared? that you might get back in the wheelchair?". Their scenes were so tightly written.

I felt sorry for Kate, for once, and I think this is the first time this season where I've actually cared about what happens between her and Jack. The piano scene annoyed me though for some reason... although I'm sure the tune he played is probably another obscure mysterious reference to something or other. Preferred the later scene when he visits her in the pool room.

With Sayid telling Alex about Rousseau, and her seeing her daughter for the first time, I hope this means we'll be seeing an Alex or Rousseau flashback at some point.

― Roz, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

I am confused. Why don't they just send Jack and Juliet home on Desmond's boat? And what deal did Jack make to get off the island?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

he got ben over that infection after the surgery.

― akm, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the infection thing was to prevent Juliet from being executed.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 22 March 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

my one compaint:

Ben's words with Locke while he was handcuffed to the pipe were a little too evil-genius-reveals-his-secret-plot-to-our-captured-hero.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the infection thing was to prevent Juliet from being executed.

Ben promised to let Jack go home when he first asked him to do the surgery (the bit w/ the Red Sox tape etc)

but (I think) he didn't promise Juliet until halfway through the surgery when he woke up

― dmr, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

"Anthony Cooper, Adam Seward" is an anagram for "Sawyer, the con man, a poor dad".

wow

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

imdb has a surprisingly spoiler-ish photo from the next episode up on their front page. Not a huge spoiler though, since most people already know it's a Nikki/Paolo episode (if you don't, now you do, neh).

and their LOST photo gallery has some fabbo photos including this hilarious one from the Christian/Jack bitchfight episode.

― Roz, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

wow, what an episode. cutty's theory could very well be otm. it makes more sense than a lot else. man the guy who plays ben is a great actor. so much pathos in every line. i loved that sayid gave alex a heads-up. and the ben-locke thing was so well played. i look forward to the two of them in future episodes.

what were the pinball machines? it was return from mars on the far side, but i couldn't tell what the closer one was.

fucking a.

― jergincito, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

i love this show

― jergincito, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

I want a flashback from the foosball table's perspective.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

ben: LAWFUL EVIL

OTM

― g-kit, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

If they do manage to present an angle that makes the flashbacks pertinent to the overall plot (i.e. as temporal blips, or as memories that trigger the Oan power battery buried on the island which reifies the characters' thoughts...or whatever), I will do a complete 180 on my current position that said flashbacks are mostly worthless and the weakest part of the show.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

i cried tonight, for john locke

― Slumpman, Friday, 23 March 2007 00:27 (eighteen years ago)

srsly, saddest episode ever. maybe i've been watching too much 24, but i hope locke tortures his dad to smithereens
(btw i have no dad issues of my own)

― Slumpman, Friday, 23 March 2007 00:32 (eighteen years ago)

I third the shout to Michael Emerson. It's not easy to play the devil without the ham, and on top of that even raise a little sympathy & empathy now and again - it makes the viewer reflect on and question the simplicity of what is good and what is bad - that's great acting. I hear he was only cast to be 'Henry Gale' for a show or two, until he blew everyone away.

― Huey in Melbourne, Friday, 23 March 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

everyone has daddy issues

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 23 March 2007 01:11 (eighteen years ago)

I bet Nikki and Paolo get along fine with their fathers.

― reddening, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:30 (eighteen years ago)

Shit, they're probably each other's fathers

― Dan I., Friday, 23 March 2007 06:20 (eighteen years ago)

cutty's theory could very well be otm.

but how do you explain that giant file folder on jack's life that they showed jack when he was locked up in that cell? i guess it could have been bogus, but that would be pretty risky when jack could easily have called their bluff and asked to see it (or did he actually look at it? i can't remember)

― Lingbert, Friday, 23 March 2007 08:13 (eighteen years ago)

best episode of the series yes. episodes like this make me totally forget there's a sawyer, a hurley, a jin etc. - such is their potency. all because of ben and locke really. the shit about the box is awesome. but the kate/jack stuff was actually really sweet. i think the 'danielle sees alex' bit could've been better or would've preferred a more direct encounter. it looks like everything's being set up for Locke to join the Others still, now Jack and Sayid hate him even more.

they should be able to use desmond's boat to get off the island...as long as they know the same compass bearing michael and walt used (which they obv. do)...unless ben lied to michael and walt...or the em anomaly messed that up...ok they need to explain this properly...

was jack really gonna leave without them? seems wrong.

they maintain things like kate's horse were 'really there' don't they? so locke's dad is 'really there' in the same way.

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

I reckon John Locke is gonna become Island Daddy with Benry's help, but he will then do a 180 and snub the Others when he is in "full control". Or some shit.

I felt very sad for John.
Amazing episode.

― g-kit, Friday, 23 March 2007 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

next week's might just be even more awesome...

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

but how do you explain that giant file folder on jack's life that they showed jack when he was locked up in that cell? i guess it could have been bogus, but that would be pretty risky when jack could easily have called their bluff and asked to see it (or did he actually look at it? i can't remember)

it's called taking notes, ever heard of it?

― cutty, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

meaning: they watch flashback, they write down what they see on paper

― cutty, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

and they had communications and a lot of money

― jergincito, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

I can do anagrams: Adam Seward = a dad rams ew (through a window).

v. sad for Locke.

Locke Dad = Real Sawyer sounds about right.

Benry/Locke interplay was brilliant!
"I hope your box is big enough to imagine a replacement submarine"

One thing - if Benry didn't want to honour his deal with Jack because it would make him appear weak to the Others, why did he honour his deal with Michael (particularly as it seemed that Walt was as important to him as Locke)?

― onimo, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

So how long have the Others had possession/control of 'the man from tallahassee'? Let's say they gathered the information on Locke within a week of the plane crash using whatever eerie means they clearly have. They are then able to present 'him' to Locke when the opportunity arises - either for or against him...as it has been with the horse, Yemi, Wet Walt etc. But these things are real to the people seeing them? It's so WTF I tells ya.

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

why did he honour his deal with Michael (particularly as it seemed that Walt was as important to him as Locke)?

perhaps he didn't and Michael and Walt are still out there on the boat close to death with no real clue where to go...

this would explain why Desmond's boat is not an option (and the submarine was because it can go UNDER the water rather than OVER it)...

but i doubt all this myself

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

hurrah for the feeling of 'i want to know what happens next'. been gone so long.

― Alan, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

"I hope your box is big enough to imagine a replacement submarine"

That sounds a lot like Brian K. Vaughan earning his paycheck right there.

Heidi MacDonald at "The Beat" has some interesting initial reactions after finally giving in and watching the whole thing:
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/03/22/the-lost-experience/

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

why did he honour his deal with Michael

this was explained in S2 finale AND in the episode we just watched. "we are people of our word" in LTDA, and last night in TMFT "if my people see that i break my word, i'm finished".

― g-kit, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

Okay guys I actually kind of think Cooper/possible-"real-Sawyer" has been on the island since right after he threw Locke out that window, and Ben's talk about the "magic box" is referring to the way the island is obviously some kind of wicked fate magnet - I don't think his dad "appeared" there exactly, but he might as well have, given the likelihood of them both being there. I mean, his dad is beaten up looking and dressed like one of them, I think he's the real deal. Also check out the look of fear on his face when he sees Locke - ethereal Yemi/Christian et al weren't beaten up and they sure as shit weren't afraid.

What are the chances that Locke crashed on the same island his dad has been hiding out on all this time vs what are the chances that Yemi's plane (which took off in Nigeria) crashed there where Eko would later also crash? There is some destiny freakout shit going on here.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

last night in TMFT

haha I thought that said TMNT and I was all "OMG CROSSOVER!?!?!"

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

That doesn't explain it, because he said if he was seen to honour his word and let Jack go he was also finished. Why doesn't that apply to Walt/Michael? I really don't see the difference.

― onimo, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

That's the best episode in a long, long, long time. Perhaps since the start of series 2.

Obviously Benry is just amazing, he'd been sidelined a little recently. However I have to say the Kate/Jack/Sawyer/Juliette love story is so completely boring, once again none of it even makes any sense, it's all too convoluted by now, apart from perhaps Jack and Juliette which seems far more natural than Kate/Jack anyway...

Sayid telling Alex about Rousseau was perfect. And another hateable others meathead, was he wearing a tank top?

The box is kinda strange, do we think Benry knew it was Locke's dad? Are they just generating these things, are they holograms, or what exactly? Can Ben see it too or does he just know what it is?

― Ronan, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

good point Nicka - we can't get too bogged down in the mechanics of Lost's coincidences...shouldn't really expect a plausible explanation for Cooper being there really. Unless this time it really is no coincidence...

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

Guys I don't think there's really a box, I think Ben is fucking with Locke because he knows a) what gets his goat and b) exactly how fuckwithable he is.

I'm pretty sure this is a real man (as opposed to on-island Yemi and Christian):

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x13-talahassee/4/normal_talahassee-cap916.jpg

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

Now that we have Kevin Tighe on the island, I want Randy Mantooth to show up too. Also, bring Bobby Troup and Julie London back from the dead, plzkthxbye.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

heh, i thought "TMNT" when i wrote it.

if the Others hadn't let Michael go, Ben would never have got out of the hatch. it wasn't actually Ben that released Michael, since Michael was released to free Ben.

― g-kit, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

i got the sense that Kate has fallen properly in love with Jack since their separation. her seeing him playing the piano and looking all emo probably nailed it. i don't mind! she just became extremely hott again this week also, i can't explain the fluctuations cap'n.

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

HORMONES

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

I miss the days in early season 1 when there was still a chance for Sayid/Kate.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

Go watch S1 DVDs then.

― g-kit, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

Or write some slashfic

― g-kit, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

i was thinking they'll bring that back soon...they've been working so well together.

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

No chance. I'd even post up a pic of Austin & Jerah as "So Not Gonna Happen #3"

― g-kit, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

haha Tom kind of had trouble with Sayid's surname

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

yeah but since when are you mr knows it all?

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway I hope Locke's shenanigans lead to big shakeups and all our favorite Others leaving/being forced out and having to go live with the beach people and then Hurley can school Ben on some table tennis and Sawyer can give Carl more girl advice.

Where the fuck is CARL anyway?

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, we're ILXors, we all know it all. (Agreed, so not gonna happen.)

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

he is still in a tree crying like the emo kid he is.

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

I have a thing for Juliette more than Kate.

And Tom of course.

― Ronan, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

eat my balls, blueski, i'm only posting my opinions, just like everyone else.

― g-kit, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

just try and do it without being annoying. perpetua got smacked down for this last season ha ha

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

So, if "the anomaly" has broken communications with the outside world, they can't schedule anymore Dharma food drops, right? Unless there are regularly-scheduled drops that don't have to be called for, there could be a food crisis, right?

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

so we're all agreed that this season will end with Kate and Sayid TYING THE KNOT UP IN A TREE K.I.S.S.I.N.G. while Jack, Sawyer and Charlie (real life hubby) fume underneath then? GOODO

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

that's where the kids come in....

― Ronan, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, Rock, I think there is definitely an impending food crisis coming up, or at least I hope there is and it's not just something alluded to that we never see (like Arzt's monsoon season).

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, if you find me so annoying, killfile me. Don't try to call me out for talking about Lost on the Lost thread. It's a little bit silly.

― g-kit, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think the Others really rely on food drops anyway. I bet they have an enormous Dharma stash.

Can't wait for in a few weeks when Ben shows us the two giant hamsters they use to generate all the power. YOU THINK HE IS JOKING?

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

Don't forget Locke blew up and the tasty cow.

― onimo, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

"all" not "and"

― onimo, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe we should have a LOST sub-thread where stevem vets our posts before we put them on the main LOST thread.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

I wish Locke had asked Ben "got any milk?"

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

not just something alluded to that we never see (like Arzt's monsoon season).

but nicka, monsoon season was all over season 2! raining when shannon saw walt and died, raining when they went to look for henry gale's balloon...i'd say artz was spot on.

― Roz, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

well monsoon season should still be happening shouldn't it? does it only last a month...even on Lost island where everything allegedly moves slower (or perhaps there is 'no chance' of this either)?

perhaps Dharma's meterological research changed the weather a bit, unbeknownst to daerest Arzt

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

I think purple sky changed all the rules, whatever they were.

― onimo, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

it did rain quite a bit before that happened tho.

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

wasn't it raining when sawyer and kate were breaking out? or did i imagine this?

― Roz, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

yes it was, and there was also desmond's charlie-zapping lightning. i'd say monsoon season is still going on...

― Roz, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

But it rained all through season 1 also, I thought monsoon season would mean like megaflood.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

they're gonna reference the tsunami soon remember!

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

monsoon season doesn't necessarily mean megafloods, would just make it extremely difficult to navigate a raft. still, we're missing a big storm though, maybe desmond came across one at sea while he was out trying to find fiji.

― Roz, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

Guys this is a "blind item" from E! Online, and I (along with other internetters) think it is about Harold Perrineau (Michael):

Remember back in the day, when Alias wanted Lena Olin to return to the show so badly, they offered her an insane amount of money, but she turned it down?

Well, here's a little ditty that goes something like that...

(Reminder: We don't name names when it comes to Stumpers, but that doesn't prevent you all from doing your darnedest to figure it out below!)

Lena 2.0

Lena 2.0 is a fan favorite (and Kristin favorite) who starred in the very first episode of a Hit Show we fans get a little nutty about. He (yes, he—perhaps I should have called him Leonard instead of Lena?) was written off the show toward the end of last season, and from what I hear, he wasn't so happy about getting the boot. Neither were his costars.

Well, fast-forward to a few weeks ago, when the producers of Hit Show called up Lena—oh, heck, let's call the poor guy Leonard so he can preserve his dignity—and asked him to return for the season finale. They were sure he'd say yes. After all, the whole season was leading up to his return! But much to their surprise—you know what's coming, right?—Leonard said no. Again and again and again. To increasingly obscene amounts of money. See, it turns out Leonard's pride is priceless.

So now, Hit Show's producers have quite a storyline conundrum on their hands: What to do without the return of Leonard? Guess we'll have to wait and see...but to be honest, I'm not worried. These guys haven't failed me before.

Also supposedly Macolm David Kelley (Walt)'s facebook mentioned that he's "currently in Hawaii...ssssshhhh".

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

people seem to fall out of buildings a lot on LOST - Locke, Jae Lee, the guy who fell past the window in one of Hurley's flashbacks (some say that might have actually been Locke).

― Roz, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

hmmm.... that does sound like it might refer to Harold Perrineau, but there's an interview with him a month back that I read that sort of accidentally suggested that he might be going back on LOST. The article was mostly about Oz but....

With three feature films on the cards this year, including 28 Weeks Later (officially "off the chains" he says) it looks like his night at home reliving the glory days of Oz could be a fitting end to his small screen career. At the this suggestion he trips over his words and inadvertently hands over some top-secret information.

"No... I just had a little bit of a break. Yes. I'm gonna call it a break. That's just what I'm saying - I'm not saying anything other than I'M calling it a break."

Well, I'll guess we'll see you back on the island, then Harold (if it really is an island...).

― Roz, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

fairly cryptic, i know - but the fact that he seems pretty secretive about it tends to suggest a little something LOST-ish about the whole thing.

― Roz, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

I found a big spoiler for the Nikki/Paulo episode. Total genius if true.

rot13: avxxv gevpxf cnhyb vagb trggvat cnenylfrq ol n fcvqre naq nppvqragnyyl trgf cnenylfrq urefrys. gur ybfgvrf guvax gurl ner qrnq naq ohel gurz nyvir.

― abanana, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

Yay!

― onimo, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

decode plz

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

it means 'they be sexin'

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

paste here and click 'cypher'.

― onimo, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha, whoa

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

OMG!

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

Man, I can't decide whether I want to read that or not.

― jaymc, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

wtf, not reading that

― cutty, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

poor Arzt

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

i kinda knew about it already as i was told about it after watching wed's episode last night.

i'm trying to work out how it will play out for P & N. we know their episode is VERY flashback-orientated...and there's explainaing to do re what they've been up to between the crash and Pearl antics.

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

One thing I've discovered in the last week is that reading spoilers about this show don't spoil anything for me. I think I enjoy it just as much, knowing or not knowing.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Haha if that's true it's pure awesomeness.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

Actually even if it isn't true, it's awesome that someone thought of it haha.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

Also wrt next week, there are a bunch of conflicting spoilers/rumors, in particular about <rot13>avxxv naq cnhyb'f qrnguf</rot13>. They have done a good job though at not letting out any spoilers about special guest star Lando Calrisian, whose appearance I am way way excited for, regardless of who he will play, flashback or island.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

he's gotta have something to do with The Black Rock so that Sawyer can say "you old pirate!"

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

Tremendous episode, enjoyed every bit of that.

I think the theory of the others 'watching' the lives of the Losties like we do is possible, through the island's ('the box') 'spirit' or sumthin. But if so, isn't Lost moving a bit too much into Solaris territory?

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

season finale spoiler:

Ben "So we know about it because we can see into your pasts...but I wonder...

*turns to camera*

...who is staring at ours?"

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

xpish: sorry, is it possible to move too much into solaris territory? i mean, i'd rather they move into stalker territory, but the more mysterious and bizarre the better.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 23 March 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i had the same thought, re: this wish-fulfillment being similar territory to those tarkovsky movies. good points on the connection between that and the smoke machine monster...

i feel like i'm the only one who found this ep. kind of lame though?! jack annoys me more each episode, the reason locke was in the wheelchair was not a surprise, and as mentioned before the whole "evil guy reveals his entire plan" schtick is super lame... not hating, just saying.

satill can't wait to see billie dee!

― Mike McGooney-gal, Friday, 23 March 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

But if so, isn't Lost moving a bit too much into Solaris territory?

i said this months ago!

― cutty, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

no one has mentioned SOLARIS? hello?

cutty (mcutt) on Friday, November 3, 2006 11:55 AM (4 months ago)

― cutty, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

I could've swore you said that back in season 1, actually.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

i may have :/

― cutty, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

the guy who fell past the window in one of Hurley's flashbacks (some say that might have actually been Locke).

wow! i didnt even think about that till now.

screengrab? anyone?

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think Locke was that guy, I think Hurley was in a much taller building, and the timeline is wrong (Locke paralyzed for 4 years, Hurley won the lottery much more recently).

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers225.jpg

They are WAY higher than 8 stories up here.

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

OK. i got excited for a second here.

Nicka, you really need to take a Honolulu vacation before L O S T goes off the air or I move off this island (whichever comes first).

I will give u personal LOST tours.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

thank god ben is back, he made that ep.

it was okay but i'm not so sure about sayid's strategizing.

this camp is defended by sonic death-rays. there are lots of armed others. sayid kate and locke have two rifles and a pistol, and their big plan is um, walk into jack's hut and escort him out. they no longer have leverage once they lose mikhail.

what then? surely the death rays will kill them, so they'll need to set up a new thing... it just doesn't scan. and then the classic sayid tells alex a thing and THEN gets stomped by the guard. jack leaving the island would have been awesomes, too.

still, the last two or three have been a shitload better than the wholee first half of this season.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 25 March 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

Danielle and Alex are going to team up and BLOW SOME SHIT SKY HIGH.

― Rock Hardy, Sunday, 25 March 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

the letting Jack go thing seemed silly because surely Ben needed more time to get back to full health, as Jack stated like a week ago.

― blueski, Sunday, 25 March 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

it would be interesting to have explained why travelling underwater is different from travelling on top of it viz navigating away from the island.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 25 March 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

One thing I've discovered in the last week is that reading spoilers about this show don't spoil anything for me. I think I enjoy it just as much, knowing or not knowing.

Rock Hardy on Friday, March 23, 2007 11:16 AM (2 days ago)

Reading spoilers doesn't spoil anything for me because I forget everything I watch five minutes after I watch it.

― Beth Parker, Sunday, 25 March 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)

this camp is defended by sonic death-rays. there are lots of armed others. sayid kate and locke have two rifles and a pistol, and their big plan is um, walk into jack's hut and escort him out.

Yeah, this was kind of my thinking after watching it last night. Like, nice plan, Kate. Just walk on in to Jack's room without even considering that there might be cameras. And I'm surprised at Sayid getting caught. Pshaw. Annoying.

Shouts of OHMYFUCKINGGOD when Locke went out the window. Followed by HOLY SHIT when his dad turns up tied to a chair. I see no reason it can't really be the actual guy. I mean, they've had almost three months to submarine over to Mexico and get him.

I think the reason they don't send Jack away on a boat, or anyone else for that matter, is because then they would be able to see where they were and where they were going. In a sub, you're harder to detect and you don't know where you are.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 26 March 2007 08:51 (eighteen years ago)

I'm surprised at Sayid getting caught

He may act the badass but when you look at the evidence he's a techie guy whose "action" in Iraq involved pouring acid over captive women.

― onimo, Monday, 26 March 2007 09:23 (eighteen years ago)

God if that Nikki and Paolo spoiler is real it's k-lame.

― Matt DC, Monday, 26 March 2007 09:26 (eighteen years ago)

He may act the badass but when you look at the evidence he's a techie guy whose "action" in Iraq involved pouring acid over captive women.

True, except that if I could see it was a bad idea to just march on over to Jack's hut, I don't understand how someone who had ever seen any action at all in a combat environment couldn't see it.

I am also surprised at Kate (although Jack-wuv might cloud her judgement), given her history of not wanting to get caught in tight spaces and so on. It's like none of these people watch their own flashbacks or something.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 26 March 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

OH FUCK ALSO ALSO HOW IS THIS NOT KEY?:

-ok in s03e01 we saw camp benry from a distance. it appeared to be in the middle of the island.
-we saw mikhail's map of the camp. it appeared to be in the middle of the island.
-mikhail said the camp was surrounded by sonic death rays.

but errrrrrrrm locke has an easy stroll from benry's hut, past all the sentries (?), right down to the water's edge and the unguarded sub.

SRSLY GUYS WAY TO WRITE TV

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 26 March 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

He may act the badass but when you look at the evidence he's a techie guy whose "action" in Iraq involved pouring acid over captive women.

there was that flashback with him in his base killing american dudes

― Ronan, Monday, 26 March 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

Great screengrab site - not spoileriffic if you are caught up; i.e. they only post from eps that have already been on - some nice stuff on here: http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

― Ben Boyerrr, Monday, 26 March 2007 11:52 (eighteen years ago)

re the submarine proximity to barracks, there's probably an inlet, or a fjord.

― blueski, Monday, 26 March 2007 11:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also Ben wanted Locke to blow the sub up anyway. And they would have needed to turn the sonic deathrays off to let Jack and Juliet through.

― Matt DC, Monday, 26 March 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

i think they'll just make out that the barracks are close enough to the north or north-west coast of the island. the sonic barrier only enclosing the place on land, so they wouldn't have needed to go back that way to get to the sub.

in the opening sequence of episode 1 you can see coastline in the distance as the plane segments plummet. also "if you run you can make that shoreline in half an hour" suggests they can't be too far from shoreline where they are anyway.

― blueski, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

i don't know the topography there but maybe they figured dudes coming on from the water wouldn't be likely? and thus wouldn't need sonic deathrays? or maybe the DHARMASHARK gets ocean invaders.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

from that sight -- i noticed locke's stash o' special ops badges. that could just make him an avid guns'n'ammo reader. when mikhail was about to reveal what he knew about locke i thought it would actually relate to a shared past rather than him being paralysed. but it's hard to fit any kind of trigger time into locke's backstory.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/a/af/Lost301theothersplaceintheisland.jpg

must have been a river

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

OK, forgive my slowness, but could someone tell me what is meant by Locke's dad being "the real Sawyer"?

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)

Sawyer's real name is James Ford. Sawyer was the name of a con man who swindled his mom when he was a kid. For some reason Sawyer has adopted the name as an adult.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

no way could Goodwin have got to the tail in time from that distance. silly whoever it was who decided to locate the barracks that far from shoreline.

― blueski, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

maybe they had segways!

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Ben told him to run tho...maybe he meant 'run for the metrolink'

― blueski, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Run to the fleet of VW camper vans!

― onimo, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

maybe it's an inland lake with an underground tunnel to the sea

― Alan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

what i have read about episode 20 = SUPER THRILLS

― blueski, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

Is that the next one? I don't keep up with them by number.

― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

No we're only on 12 or so right now.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

Stevem OTM.

Tomorrow's is ep 14. I am still not quite used to this new ep every week thing, it is an incredible feeling.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

As someone who only started watching in "real time" this season, I don't know how you guys were able to stand the reruns! Round about Sunday or Monday, I start itching for a new episode.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Well if you read last season's thread we didn't stand it very well.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

Heh. Yeah. One of the fun things about watching S1 and S2 was that after I watched an episode, I immediately read the old ILX thread about it, making sure not to scroll down too far.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

i've finally caught up with this thread. just in time for ep 14 or whatever it is. 'zah.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

TONIGHT!!!! Hooray, I am so hype for this ep. I have a 40 of Colt 45 in the fridge at home set aside for Lando-toasting purposes. Also I miss Shannon (Boone not so much)(of anyone besides Libby I think her character had the least explored potential) and am really looking forward to seeing her again.

Okay also so I think they kind of HAVE to have a Sawyer flashback again this season and make the big totally expected by everyone now Cooper-is-the-real-Sawyer reveal and then oh boy now we will get some snarky Sawyer/Locke whose vengeance is greatest scenes and then somebody will murderize the shit out of Cooper, oh man that would be so sweet.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

Oh and here's a tidbit from some EW article that I think may confirm either a) my theory that Locke did NOT blow up the sub, or b) that Damon Lindelof is a tricksy little hobbit:

When Locke was walking away from the submarine last week, he appeared to be soaking wet, despite the fact that we never saw him get into the water. This has led to speculation among fans that Locke didn't actually blow up the sub, but instead, took it out to sea, submerged it, and blew up the dock — all part of a plan to make it appear the submarine was destroyed. The question is this: Are we supposed to be wondering why John Locke was all wet? Intriguingly, Damon Lindelof says: ''No comment.''

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

OK that's interesting. Lindelof and Cuse have also been hinting in the last two podcasts that Mikhail might not actually be dead.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

"Locke didn't actually blow up the sub, but instead, took it out to sea, submerged it..."

submerged a submarine and then got out of the submarine? kudos.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

Also then what was the thing we saw him blow up? A to-scale model made of bamboo and/or a combination of trees and nightmares?

― Will M., Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking just the dock, and that he didn't submerge the sub, he just maybe valeted it around the corner.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

But don't you see the submarine itself get bombed?

― Will M., Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

It's pretty dark.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

maybe he also hid mikhail's farm before blowing it up.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

roffle

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

can Locke actually pilot a submarine is the question, to which the answer is surely no.

unless it really is just a case of turning an ignition key and pressing a big 'SUBMERGE' button.

― blueski, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

he had all those special ops badges and i guess his flashbacks have been confined to his middle years -- he is about 50 in the show. so he could possible have some military experience (i have reversed my position on this). tracking boars, knowing how to use c4 and how to pilot a sub being fairly specialized skillsets.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

Back in his very first flashback his dickface boss Randy said he checked Locke's file and there was nothing about military experience, but don't they keep that shit sneaky sneaky-like for special ops dudes?

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

mind you jack and juliet were expected to pilot the sub. i guess juliet might know how but it's hard to see why.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

can Locke actually pilot a submarine is the question, to which the answer is surely no.

DON'T TELL HIM WHAT HE CAN'T DO!!!

Don't subs usually have an opening in the bottom, which you can open underwater without letting in any water? Maybe he submerged it just below the surface so no one could see it and left that way.

― nickn, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

"Don't subs usually have an opening in the bottom, which you can open underwater without letting in any water?"

my physics is a little rusty but that sounds kind of counter-intuitive. however they do have airlock-type-things. but operating one alone... and keeping the sub moored... it won't just stay where you put it... all unlikely. but hey it's 'l o s t'.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

Man, Billy Dee Williams's character is one nasty mofo

― abanana, Thursday, 29 March 2007 00:58 (eighteen years ago)

"Dude, Nikki's dead."
"Who the hell's Nikki?"

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 March 2007 02:04 (eighteen years ago)

Whoooooa!
That was a weird episode. Creepy ending.

― Z S, Thursday, 29 March 2007 03:01 (eighteen years ago)

CSI: CRAPHOLE ISLAND

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 03:05 (eighteen years ago)

"Dude, Nikki's dead."
"Who the hell's Nikki?"

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6987/yaaaaowkm9.png

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

Mementolicious!

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 29 March 2007 03:32 (eighteen years ago)

I really, really expected them to wake up and I kind of love it that they didn't.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 03:33 (eighteen years ago)

ZOMBIES. ZOMBIES. ZOMBIES.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 29 March 2007 03:49 (eighteen years ago)

just think--they had to add these characters to the show just to show us that useless episode

― cutty, Thursday, 29 March 2007 03:58 (eighteen years ago)

i half expected to see the crypt keeper at the end of that episode.

"Turns out that for nikki, diamonds aren't a GHOUL'S best FIEND! Hahahahaha!"

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0104/19/Cryptkeeper.jpg

― scott seward, Thursday, 29 March 2007 04:00 (eighteen years ago)

I thought Lando was going to be a new character on the island! Considering BDW could barely get his lines out of his mouth, I'm hoping not now.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 29 March 2007 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

scott OTM!

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 29 March 2007 04:08 (eighteen years ago)

oh c'mon that was pretty funny.

― s.clover, Thursday, 29 March 2007 04:17 (eighteen years ago)

the meta-silliness was adorable.

― s.clover, Thursday, 29 March 2007 04:25 (eighteen years ago)

i watched 'til death do us part right before lost. so I was thinking the same thing as scott, except with john waters.
http://www.metacritic.com/media/tv/shows/tildeathdouspart/picture.jpg

― abanana, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:58 (eighteen years ago)

"save the shovel. things don't stay buried on this island"

"...because it's eroding fast. everything is getting washed out to sea."

― abanana, Thursday, 29 March 2007 06:06 (eighteen years ago)

Roffle Dazzle

― Clay, Thursday, 29 March 2007 06:11 (eighteen years ago)

that episode was super mystery fun and also nice to see all the old dead characters :) nikki was HOT.

― chaki, Thursday, 29 March 2007 06:28 (eighteen years ago)

omg buried alive!!!

― Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 29 March 2007 06:52 (eighteen years ago)

Guys, I dreamed about Lost all night and realised that this episode was like the very matrushka that the diamonds were hidden in. A TV show in a TV show in a TV show in a TV show. It's the nesting dolls episode. Also, at first I thought she was killing him, but she just said that he would be paralyzed for 8 hours, not dead.

I like that Hurley is kind of turning out to be the leader in Jack's absence.

Do you suppose that both N and P will come crawling out, or just one of them?

― Maria :D, Thursday, 29 March 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

OMG, FELL ASLEEP DURING LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to watch it online to get parts I missed. Never saw BDW!
A first.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 29 March 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

The Lando appearance was kind of a let down in that I had these expectations but it was also very cute and hilarious and I think they did it just to fuck with us.

Also I loved the random shoe-horning-in-Ben/Juliet scene.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

I couldn't figure out whether we're supposed to think some of the Ben/Juliet we now know is not quite right, or the game they were playing isn't quite over. Between this episode and the previews for the next, I'm wondering whether sticking Kate and Sawyer in the cages was a ploy and Jack was actually shuffled near the monitors as something was happening in order to switch his alliances to Juliet. The Others -- masters of psychological warfare!

Yeah, completely useless episode, but it was a good excuse to get rid of two characters.

― mh, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

Next week: catfight!

― William Selman, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

BURIED ALIVE!!

oh, that was already said.

Catfight. . .okay now they've jumped the shark.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Srlsy.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

I may be alone based on my discussions with other fans but I am really, really really, really really really looking forward to next week. WTF kind of circumstances could possibly lead to the two of them being handcuffed together in the jungle!?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

the lost people have been reading my mind.

― scott seward, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

This is sort've unrelated to this week's ep but it is incredibly hard to take the "Richard Alpert" guy seriously because I keep expecting him to talk in his Bat Manuel voice.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

Arzt was so great in this episode! He had my favorite tv death like EVER but I kind of wish he was still around. "The pigs are walking!", haha nice reference, teach. I love that he didn't give Nikki any shit for mispronouncing his name.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

How did he die? I really don't remember him.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

haha he EXPLODED in the season 1 finale when he was trying to teach them how to handle old dynamite

HURLEY: Dude, you've got a little...Arzt...on you.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

uh he blew himself up with dynamite

― cutty, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

My fave tv death ever also. He was the cocky guy who said he knew how to transport aged, volatile dynamite and, well...he didn't do it quite right.

― William Selman, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

barely remember. . .should download.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

In fact I think it occurred in the pre-title-screen sequence, the opening moments of the episode.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

actually we watched the season one finale without ever having seen any other episodes so that's probably why I don't remember. A rewatch of that entire first season might be in order.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

This episode was lots of fun -- I particularly love seeing old scenes all over again, from different perspectives (how did they do the day-of-crash beach shrapnel scene? was it old footage with Nikki and Paulo digitally inserted?) -- but I was hoping that there'd be some major revelation that had to do with their relationship to the island or to the Others, instead of just their own backstories.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

that's why i said it was totally useless--it did nothing to add to the lost story

all it did was show how clever whatever writer wrote it is

― cutty, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

What was the clever part? I missed that, because all I saw was two obnoxious characters with paper-thin back stories get some comeuppance. Seriously, "I am going to throw this paralysis spider at you, while ignoring the warning about it attracting its kin" was supposed to be clever? It was kind of a big distraction so we wouldn't pay attention to the one story thread (Sun getting 'kidnapped') they tied up in a half-assed way.

― mh, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

it did nothing to add to the lost story

Not true!:

*Now our beach people have one of the Others' walkie talkies.

*Charlie's coming clean will undoubtedly affect his and Sawyer's relationship with Claire & the rest of the beach people

*Now there is a(nother) far-fetched but plausible explanation for how Jack's dad's coffin is empty - spider bite paralysis (no autopsy was performed in Sydney)

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

And the maybe Jack's dad got spiderbit and/or ingested/was given a poison made from spider venom, unlike the Jack's dad is the smoke monster theory, could pan out into on island family reunion.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

I'm looking over the chronology of the show right now, and one thing that I found interesting was that Ben's comment to Juliet that they'll use Michael to lead Kate and Sawyer to the Others occurred before Michael was in their custody. But it happened on the exact same day (Day 49) that Michael received a message in the hatch computer from "Walt." So it seems pretty likely, then, that this wasn't Walt at all and merely a ruse to get Michael to come to the Others.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

Oh also BULLETPROOF BREASTS

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

Oh come now, that'd be the worst story turn ever. Anyway, we'll get another half episode of Claire wondering what Charlie's motivations are where she ends up reluctantly trusting him at the end (we've only had what, three or four of these?), part of Sawyer's jerk status is returned but balanced by his new ping pong alliance with Hurley, and the walkie talkie is probably fairly short range and will only figure in sometime down the road to appear as a "oh, you forgot about this!" device.

― mh, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

And the maybe Jack's dad got spiderbit and/or ingested/was given a poison made from spider venom,

but he was in the coffin/dead for at least a couple of days, no?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

The one thing that DID bother me about this episode A LOT was that when Paulo went down in the Pearl station the plane with Yemi in it was still up in the tree canopy, but then Ben and Juliet were looking at Jack on the monitor, watching him in the Swan station - which they didn't actually get into until AFTER the plane fell/Boone died.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

OOOH that's right! Good catch!

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

Shit I didn't see Jaymc's post up there. Day 49 was like a week and a half after the plane fell.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

and also... wasn't there, like, grass grown over the pearl? with a question mark? or is my memory faulty.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

you guys, knowing the names of the stations and what days shit happened, really make me feel like a lost loser.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

when Paulo went down in the Pearl station the plane with Yemi in it was still up in the tree canopy

This isn't true. When Nikki and Paulo found the Pearl, the plane was still in the canopy. When he returned to the Pearl to hide the diamonds, it had fallen.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

and also... wasn't there, like, grass grown over the pearl? with a question mark? or is my memory faulty.

When Ben sees that the Pearl hatch door has been left open, he tells Juliet that they should cover it. Eko doesn't find the ? until Day 65.

Sam, I don't remember the days myself. I'm relying on the Lostpedia Timeline.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

The one thing that DID bother me about this episode A LOT was that when Paulo went down in the Pearl station the plane with Yemi in it was still up in the tree canopy, but then Ben and Juliet were looking at Jack on the monitor, watching him in the Swan station - which they didn't actually get into until AFTER the plane fell/Boone died.

I thought that the scene where Paolo is bathroom and Ben and Juliet come into the Swan was well after Paolo and Nikki discover the Swan and the plane. They just cut scene to him stuffing the doll into the upper deck of the toilet without showing him climbing into it, right? Or am I remembering it wrong? That still doesn't explain the grass grown over the Swan hatch when Locke, et al found it.

Considering how much he was popping them when he got them back, that box of nicorette sure lasted Paolo a long time. Is the everlasting box of nicotine replacement therapy one of the island's powers?

― William Selman, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

climbing into the Swan, not the toilet...sorry

― William Selman, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks guys, I hoped I was wrong about that. This is what I get for watching LOST while blazed.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, you were thinking of Trainspotting. hee hee

Does anyone else remember seeing them in the background during other episodes or were they just thrown in there this time?

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

I think maybe the plane originally fell near but not over the hatch. Then later, Paolo went down there and stashed his dolls. Then Ben comes down and asks why the hatch is open. Juliet says "oh yeah, Tom was here the other day" to which Ben replies "get him to cover it with the plane".

But yeah, this ep reminded me of those comedy episodes of the x-files you used to get about once a season. Fine and fun, but it felt like it sat outside the main thrust of the show really, and it could easily have never happened.

― JimD, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

(hold on, my plane thing doesn't make sense (cos yeah, the question mark and everything), although I'm pretty sure that WAS what Ben said. Hmm. So how did the plane come to be on top of the hatch? I can't remember. Did locke and/or eko put it there on purpose?

― JimD, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

Ah hold on, no, I'm right...the plane was on top of the hatch when L+E first found it. It says so here

― JimD, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

Also, heh, from last week:

am i the only one ravening for the niki/paolo on-island flashback?

Yes, as long as they don't turn out to be another pair of ethan-style spy others.

JimD on Friday, 16 March 2007 19:34 (1 week ago)
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I was actually thinking about that when I was brushing my teeth the other night, and I realized that they probably aren't, because they went with Sayid, Locke, and Desmond to the Pearl and didn't seem suspicious; in fact, Nikki was the one who suggested that they try to get the other monitors to work.

jaymc on Friday, 16 March 2007 19:42 (1 week ago)
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I think the Nikki/Paulo stuff is intentionally idiotic. I hope they get a flashback episode setting them up with a huge, mysterious backstory, and then they get blown by dynamite at the end of the episode and never mentioned again.

abanana on Friday, 16 March 2007 20:29 (1 week ago)

― JimD, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

this ep reminded me of those comedy episodes of the x-files you used to get about once a season. Fine and fun, but it felt like it sat outside the main thrust of the show really, and it could easily have never happened.

otm

I didn't mind it so much, I thought the meta jokes were kinda fun, but why go through all the trouble to add them to the cast just for that. not much payoff.

my wife hated the shit out of this episode

and catfight looks v. retarded .... lost meets desp. housewives

― dmr, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

this ep reminded me of those comedy episodes of the x-files you used to get about once a season. Fine and fun, but it felt like it sat outside the main thrust of the show really, and it could easily have never happened.

The non-mythology X-Files were always my favorites. Some of the best writing of the series. However, I'm much more impatient for answers with Lost.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

This was not some of the best writing of the series. Or acting. Editing and/or visual effects, and continuity, though: Amazing.

― Ben Boyerrr, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

this ep reminded me of those comedy episodes of the x-files you used to get about once a season.

Me too, also kind of reminded me of one of the one-off Data-stuck-in-the-holodeck Star Treks...in fact we had a discussion about how this + the Desmond ep + Hurley's van episode are kind of evidence of them opening up the show stylistically, maybe just in case they have to go beyond the 5 season arc, or maybe because they are goofy douchebags.

(30 mins pass while helping boss do something stupid)

"time alloted for login blah blah exceeded" haha, probably some xposts then, clicking submit

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

jaymc, they refilmed everything!

― chaki, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

I thought I was going to hate it, but that was actually one of my favorite episodes simply for the meta camp aspects and play on the stupidity of the characters (both their own intelligence and the reason for their existence on the show in the first place). The most comedic part was how Paolo and Nikki led this parallel storyline of discovery about the island yet were not slightly intrigued by the mystery of it all. Their response wasn't, "Holy shit, there's a freakin' hatch filled with tv monitors on this seemingly deserted island in the middle of the Pacific." Rather, it was, "huh, I can hide stuff in this here toilet."

catfight looks v. retarded .... lost meets desp. housewives

Yeah, I'm afraid, very afraid.

― William Selman, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

jaymc, they refilmed everything!

Wow, no shit - that is impressive. I wonder if the cast likes that kind of excersize or finds it horrible. All that work for this episode seems kind of bummery.

― Ben Boyerrr, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

they get to live in Hawaii while they are filming. If they are bummed about re-filming they should go drown.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

juliet and kate fighting in the rain? that sounds HOTTTTTTTT

― chaki, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

Sarah -- P & N weren't on the show until S3. They have popped up here and there this season, but they weren't actually around in previous seasons.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

which is why Sawyer's "Who the hell is Nikki?" cracked me up. Everytime they've popped up in a scene this season I'm thinking "who the fuck are these people?"

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/archives/catfight_cement.jpg

I dunno man, it's a fuckin beer ad. looks corny to me.

― dmr, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

xpost to chak

― dmr, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

I had thought they were some of the people from the other half of the plane and that's why they hadn't shown up earlier.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

the people from the other half of the plane were what all of the last season was about, and they are all dead now (except for bernard)

― akm, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

Those people are always around in the background. But taking three seasons for them to become speaking characters makes me dubious about the intentions.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

Definitely one of my favorite episodes of the season. But hey, the show could go on like this for weeks on end--no mysteries solved, more questions posed--and I'd be happy. I love that N&P knew about the Others and the hatch, and were too smart to try to dislodge the plane from the tree.

Also, X-Files "big picture" episodes were such a drag. What do I care if aliens gave Scully cancer and/or a fetus? I'd rather watch the vampire pizza boy episode.

― lindseykai, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

"they are all dead now"

dead or captured

― dmr, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

what a geeky, nerd, sci fi, island mystery show pandering to its comic book collecting fanbase by having its two hotttttt chix fight it out in the rain! this is disgusting!

― chaki, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

I guess what I meant is that Kiely Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro weren't around in S1 and S2, so they didn't make any appearances prior to this season. But we're supposed to understand that their characters were always there with the midsection survivors.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

My internet connection decided to fuck up today of all days so I didn't get to see this ep as early as I usually do... ANYWAY, fun episode! I don't care if it doesn't any questions, if this show is gonna go past season 5, it needs more of this comedy-type stuff... I mean, why not? If every episode was as intense as last week's it's gonna end up like Prison Break, endless cliffhangers and everyone stops caring.

Nikki, talking about Shannon and Boone: "Please tell me we won't end up like them". Oops.

― Roz, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

*if it doesn't answer

― Roz, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

i really liked this episode. it reminded me about stuff ive already forgotten, esp. Charlie and sawyer's kidnapping and artz's death. Also, Hurley geeking out on the TV show was a great character point.

Did I miss hear, or when they first found Paulo's body, was there an exchange like:

Jin: (to Hurley, something in Koran)
Hurley: (to Jin) I know, right?

Also, I seriously doubt that N&P are actually gone for good. They wouldn't have concocted such a ridiculous story as to how they got paralyzed if there wasn't a scene w/ them busting out of the sand at the beginning of the ep two weeks from now. Maybe its wishful thinking.

Also, my GF and I were at the waterfall/ dead people pool just an hour after they finished shooting that scene there. Its in an Audubon center on the north shore. We were going for a hike there and saw all these LOST crew trucks and stuff. I knew it was the same place Kate and Sawyer found the guns and was wondering what plot point would bring them back there this season.

I thought it was a little silly how much Boone and Shannon were written in w/o it being their episode. Look guys! Remember these two? We flew them back to Hawaii for a week of shooting and here they are! Here they are again! Oh look! One ore time!

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

u mean ... jin is a muslim?!?!

― dmr, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha

I think they were trying to imply that not only is Jin learning some English but everybody else is learning some Korean. I wish I knew what he said.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

so this was the homage episode, huh? i can see how, being a tv writer, you'd want to do that, even if there isn't much in it for the audience. What'd we get:

a murder mystery, sorta
a horror story (scott otm, all i could think of was creepshow at the end)
a twin peaks reference (dirt under the fingernails)
stars wars geekery
a meta opening

i just wish it was something better than diamonds. i mean c'mon. couldn't it have been something creepier, related to the island? a microchip or an ancient little four toed foot or...something.

nice to see juliet, if only for a minute. it is weird though that her and ben would just walk there, no packs, no big deal. is there some kind of conveyance around this island, because those two didn't walk for a couple of days.

desmond no longer needs to say "it doesn't work that way, brutha."

― jergincito, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, Rose died?????

― HI DERE, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

rose was not with the tailies

― cutty, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

cindy and the kids and some other tailies and bernard are still alive. that's who we've still got from the tail section

― jergincito, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I seriously doubt that N&P are actually gone for good. They wouldn't have concocted such a ridiculous story as to how they got paralyzed if there wasn't a scene w/ them busting out of the sand at the beginning of the ep two weeks from now. Maybe its wishful thinking.

Very doubtful as they were obviously redshirt characters. but I think they will bring back the spiders (maybe Patchy used them to fake his death!)

― abanana, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

Dead Tailies:

Ana-Lucia
Libby
Eko
Goodwin*
Nathan

Alive Tailies:

Cindy
Zack
Emma
Bernard

*not actually on the plane

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

+ 1 alka seltzer tablet + homemade blood spurting ear packs (thanks Fangoria v 2 1989!)

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

I still think, dead or alive, we'll see them again what with Locke's heavy handed "things dont stay burried on this island" line.

Or, smokemonster has dirt (no pun intended) on Hurley and Sawyer now.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

them busting out of the sand at the beginning of the ep two weeks from now.

sand is very heavy. I think it'd be impossible for them to get out.

I believe Jin said "Monster" to Hurley.

Grady, I am jealous of you.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

I believe Jin said "Monster" to Hurley.

You're probably right :(

Grady, I am jealous of you.

I still have to sit in an office most days.

Paulo, Nikki; L-R:

http://images.worldofstock.com/slides/PCH1520.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

Of course, MONSTER. I bet he said it in English too and I was just all in attempt-to-understand-Korean mode.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

I enjoy posting about an ep while at work before I've had a chance to watch it again so I can go home and rewatch and realize what an ass I've been making of myself on the internet all day.

As opposed to normal days where I make an ass out of myself on the internet in other ways.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

Also, "Power Lines"/ "Paulo Lies" = "Paulo's ALIVE."

Right?

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

"Paralyzed."

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

I bet he said it in English too

Unless I learned korean and didn't realize it.

She said "paralyzed" as in 'don't bury me alive you asses'

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

bitch deserved whatever she got

― cutty, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

If this show was on HBO Sawyer and Hurley could've took turns c-ing on ts before they buried her.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

I'm ashamed to admit I've seen this movie but the paralyzing spider b.s. was straight out of Anaconda 2

― dmr, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

There was a "2"?

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 March 2007 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

yes! and it was written by the author of robocop and starship troopers. (plus six other people)

― fies, Thursday, 29 March 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

CURSE OF THE BLOOD ORCHID, AMIRIGHT? Were the shittyshaman tribe in it?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 29 March 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

I just liked the line in the flash back, something like, "Whatever we do, let's not end up like them" referring to Boone and Boonette. Then they died. Sort of.

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:07 (eighteen years ago)

training as a professional actress, auditioning, getting role, and then getting your accomplice a job at your director's house. that is one hell of a takedown.

ep reminds me of 'co-pilot' on 'the shield': not bad in itself but breaks narrative flow at crucial juncture.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

we saw nikki open her eyes but not paulo - tho he should've woken up around the same time. brrrrrrrrrr.

so paulo had to move the plane to get into the pearl the second time he went there? and then shift the plane back into position for locke and eko to shift again when they discover the pearl? ropey!

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:48 (eighteen years ago)

so this was the homage episode, huh? i can see how, being a tv writer, you'd want to do that, even if there isn't much in it for the audience. What'd we get:

a murder mystery, sorta
a horror story (scott otm, all i could think of was creepshow at the end)
a twin peaks reference (dirt under the fingernails)
stars wars geekery
a meta opening

Not to mention Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead!

― Vinnie, Friday, 30 March 2007 01:10 (eighteen years ago)

"so paulo had to move the plane to get into the pearl the second time he went there? "

NO.

first time, he was with nikki, the plane was at the top of the cliff.

second time, it had crashed down, but apparently not on top of the hatch: ben says to juliet hmmm, the hatch opening is a bit conspicuous, we should put the plane on top of it OWTTE.

i don't understand from a writing POV why the macguffin -- the diamonds -- couldn't have had some kind of major plot relevance. for sure, maybe in s06 it will be imperative that diamonds are acquired... but for fuck's sake!

i thought this was meant to be the game-changer :(

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 07:06 (eighteen years ago)

I think that, like the Jack in Thailand episode, this was a generally shit episode that will suddenly seem very important later in the series. I mean, the main point of it seemed to be:

- Introducing the poisoned spider as a get-out-of-death-free card. It leaves the door open for Jack and Claire's dad to come back, possibly as King Other although that would be kind of lame. It doesn't explain how he would have managed to close the coffin behind him though.

- An excuse to show Nikki wearing not many clothes and dancing about.

- An excuse for a lot of shit meta jokes.

- Because the writers are prickteasing cunts and wanted us to hang on an extra week after giving us the biggest cliffhanger of the series.

― Matt DC, Friday, 30 March 2007 09:06 (eighteen years ago)

Actually the meta jokes were kind of weird - I think Kiele Sanchez and the dude who plays Paolo were billed as 'Guest Stars' at the start of the episode, then there was all that stuff in the first scene about being able to bring any guest star back, or people who get killed stay killed or whatever.

I've no idea whether or not Nikki and Paolo are going to come back. I kind of hope they don't but there was that flashback with Locke where he told Paolo about nothing staying buried on the beach. Slightly foolish of Hurley and co to bury them there then. There's a complete lack of leadership in the camp now - Jack probably wouldn't have pronounced them dead, Sayid would have been more cautious as to what else was going on nearby, Locke would probably have done some weird jungle shit and worked out the spider thing etc.

Also why did Nikki not cry out when she woke up and noticed people, like, burying her alive? And, hidden diamonds or otherwise, Paolo was fucking stupid and/or selfish not to mention to anyone what he heard in the Pearl Station.

― Matt DC, Friday, 30 March 2007 09:12 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think Nikki had enough time/strength to scream out.

the game-changin' sugar-me-do is in 2 weeks no?

the spiders that got Nikki = the monster? heard the noise just before they appeared.

i enjoyed this trashy interlude episode despite the frequent crapness. it was very much like an X-Files 'silly' episode (e.g. 'Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space', or that Burt Reynolds one maybe).

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

someone might try and retrieve those diamonds at some point...

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

and if anyone says 'no chance' to that i will beat their ass

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

i'm amazed if they did film the crash site again. what a hassle! and you wouldn't bet against them having to do it again in a season or two.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

they mixed new footage with old but it was smoothly done.

i asked ages ago but has anyone bothered to check the number of background survivors we've seen on screen since the start and see if it adds up to more than the 34 odd people we don't know?

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

i rly liked this. and i liked that it was right after massive cliffhanger. tuff.

― Alan, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:08 (eighteen years ago)

I was disappointed there was no big hair-pulling bitch fight between Nikki and Shannon.

― Matt DC, Friday, 30 March 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

did i see a spoiler/next week on lost that shows juliet v kate. rub.

― Alan, Friday, 30 March 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

NO CHANCE

― g-kit, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

i asked ages ago but has anyone bothered to check the number of background survivors we've seen on screen since the start and see if it adds up to more than the 34 odd people we don't know?

knock yourself out:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/List_of_Middle_Section_survivors

― abanana, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

neat

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

there really ought to be more Australians.

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

it also seemed a bit daft how unscathed Nikki was after the crash whereas Paulo was v cut up and dirty.

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

OK so Ben got caught in Danielle's trap on Day 58, 9 days after Paulo saw him in the Pearl revealing his plan to use Michael to get Jack...is it widely accepted now that Ben intended to get himself caught in the trap all along? Seems too great a gamble still (Rousseau could've just shot him and he must've known that - and we assume he'd actually met her before that).

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

i did think it was funny that paulo knew where the pearl was, heard secret plans, and knew who ben was while everyone else was still trying to figure out if he was really henry gale. hahaha! oh, and had a radio! it makes everyone else look so silly. course he's dead now, but still...

― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

well it makes paolo look like a total fucking dick is what it does.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

well, yeah, that too...

― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

no, it makes us look like dicks :/

― cutty, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

someone might try and retrieve those diamonds at some point...

or immediately, thus preventing nikki and paolo from suffocating....

― lxy, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

they ain't coming back.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

also, is ditching the diamonds a sign of resignation on Sawyer's part that they are never going home?

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

oh he probably sub'd some bits of glass or something. this is 'lost'.

how does it work, this paralysis? if it stopped them breathing and stopped their heart beating for eight hours... how would that work?

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

this is lost.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

it didn't stop their heart beating, it just slowed it right down to the point where bozos like hurley and sawyer would assume they were dead.

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

lol @ "boonette"

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

they would probably have been ok if nikki hadn't run towards the beach. would anyone have noticed them being missing for eight hours?

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

whatever the 'box' thing is, wonder if the idea that stuff comes out of it means stuff can also go into it...

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

like Jack?

I think what really bugs me about the impending catfight is that it's over *Jack*. Please. . .I'm so sick of that do-gooder, avg. good-looking white guy with dumb tatoos. Someone needs to throw a bunch of spiders on his ass. . .

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

i like jack.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

I love it when television programs do "shows within a show," and the actors who are giving "intentionally bad" performances for the fake show actually ARE really bad actors. (i.e. the decided blur between"Corvette" and Nikki).

― Ben Boyerrr, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

it was cleverly meta to frame nikki poledancing within... oh some old shit who cares?

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

show within a show, imaginary creatures in the woods (jungle, give me some license here), doomed lovers and a fake-death poison, hmmm. know i've heard all these ideas before.

― Alan, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

Nikki has/had nice eyes.

Jack or Locke could step into 'the box'...but if you what you want comes out of it, perhaps going into it gives you what you DO NOT WANT. it'd be awesome to see them come out into the real world or something tho - like the box could actually take them home...except things are just a little bit different somehow (raining doughnuts etc.).

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

and lizard tongues?

awesome.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

can't remember who called it first but the 'box' thing is taking the whole 'solaris' thing up 1x notch. i suppose with kate's horse we have enough to say that the island can materialize things that shouldn't be there. but for locke's dad to be there -- does that mean benry can control the box? find what people are emotionally invested in and exploit it?

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

has anyone ever actually touched/used stuff that might have come out of the box?

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

kate touched the horse.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Sam OTM, Paolo and Nikki aren't coming back, and I'll bet anyone 10 Paypal dollars that they're not going to use the spiders to pull a deus ex machina Christian-Shephard's-alive stunt. They might use something else, but not the spiders. He was dead for days before the crash.

If Nikki and Paolo hadn't been buried alive, after waking they should have been blind from having their eyeballs all dried out. They spent how many hours paralyzed with their eyes open?

What does seem very possible is the idea that Sawyer would go back for the diamonds ("what was I thinking, we'll get off this island some day") and find Nikki with her hand up to her throat and a horrified "oh noes I'm buried alive" expression, and hastily get the fukc out of there and never say a word about it to anyone.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i would like that re Sawyer/someone else. is soft dry sand really heavy enough to the extent that 6 feet of it above you would be too much to haul yourself out of? in the Korean film A Bittersweet Life the hero dude pulls himself out of wet soil after being buried alive - maybe the wetness helped him. he was a badass tho, and Nikki is no Buffy or Beatrix Kiddo either.

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

If Nikki and Paolo hadn't been buried alive, after waking they should have been blind from having their eyeballs all dried out. They spent how many hours paralyzed with their eyes open?

haha, good point. so she probably wouldn't have been able to get that glimpse of Hurley dumping a shovel-ful on her, huh?

I do think that sawyer scenario is likely.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

I think what really bugs me about the impending catfight is that it's over *Jack*. Please. . .I'm so sick of that do-gooder, avg. good-looking white guy with dumb tatoos. Someone needs to throw a bunch of spiders on his ass. .

OTM. but maybe nu-jack's swing to the others will wind up making him semi-interesting at some point. maybe instead of shaking his head to express emotion, for instance, he'll nod it.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

is soft dry sand really heavy enough to the extent that 6 feet of it above you would be too much to haul yourself out of?

no way that was six feet, though! more like three, if that.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

so even easier to dig out of!

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

ha ha 'nu-jack's swing'

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

NEW RIDICULOUS THEORY THAT I AM REALLY PROUD OF

Bodies of Paolo and Nikki actually disappear from under three feet of sand at some point, falling through the strange time anomaly and ending up a mile or so inland but decades earlier. Paolo and Nikki are actually the Adam and Eve found in the caves in series one.

― Matt DC, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

FFS YOU GUYS, NIKKI AND PAOLO WERE SMOTHERED TO DEATH BY SEVERAL HUNDRED POUNDS OF SAND.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

xpost, for all that's worth

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

you can't dig yourself out of that much sand! try it sometime. i dare you.

― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

sandy x-post

― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

"but for locke's dad to be there -- does that mean benry can control the box?"

don't you think they took the sub and got locke's dad just to fuck with locke? i think locke drives ben a little crazy.

― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

you can't dig yourself out of that much sand! try it sometime. i dare you.

you can if it's soil not sand and you are a badass

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

1. You can't dig yourself out of that much sand if you've just woken from a catatonic state you've been in for several hours

2. Who the hell are you?

― Matt DC, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

Lost is SLIGHTLY more realistic than Buffy granted.

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

There must be someone out there for whom this episode was the first time they'd seen the show. What fun!

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

I think the way Benry described the box is just wordplay with Locke. I think what it is will probably be a lot more boring than people are suggesting.

― Ronan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

If Nikki and Paolo hadn't been buried alive, after waking they should have been blind from having their eyeballs all dried out. They spent how many hours paralyzed with their eyes open?

You shouldn't think about these things too much... but I did too: The losties should be familiar with dead bodies by now, but they didn't notice Nikki and Paulo's lack of rigor mortis?

― abanana, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

Or spider bites?

I think the biggest WTF is that Paolo saw two people plotting to kidnap Jack, and found a walkie talkie, and told NOBODY.

― Ronan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think what it is will probably be a lot more boring than people are suggesting.

yes indeed. it's fun to talk up the sci-fi element of the show tho. esp. as they touted it as quite sci-fi in the first place.

― blueski, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think the biggest WTF is that Paolo saw two people plotting to kidnap Jack, and found a walkie talkie, and told NOBODY.

it is pretty wtf but I think the episode made the point that P+N were so off in their own drama that he probably barely knew who jack was and didn't care

I don't *think* they're coming back either but then why have all the foreshadowing w/ Locke's "things don't stay buried on this beach"

― dmr, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

is ditching the diamonds a sign of resignation on Sawyer's part that they are never going home?

it's the first thing i thought.

despite the general weakness of this episode there were a few nice moments: a hint of smokey in the background when n&p were fighting in the woods, the way paolo stared into midair after the crash, arzt making a galapogos connection explicit. i appreciated that one especially: yes, a biologically l o s t island as well.

― jergincito, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Why would Paolo know Jack's last name? I thought they just referred to him as Shepherd?

― Alex in SF, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

smokey in the background when they're fighting??? really?

― Ronan, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think you could see it but it clearly made that like spudidy spudidy noise (I think this is what it sounds like when it makes a perimeter sweep).

― nickalicious, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah, just checked back, that clicking noise. kinda cool, she stops cos she hears it.

― Ronan, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

The Lost creators claimed in EW that even though fans obviously hated N&P, their flashback episode would turn them into "iconic characters."

Hmm.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 31 March 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)

iconic of the lost creators' inability to gauge lost fans.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 1 April 2007 08:25 (eighteen years ago)

YA MEAN.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 1 April 2007 08:26 (eighteen years ago)

Just saw a commercial for the next episode -- a slight re-editing of the "next week on LOST" that showed last Wednesday. Implies not so much an evenly matched catfight as a total Kate-on-Juliet beatdown.

― Rock Hardy, Sunday, 1 April 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

Well duh, Kate is a badass fucking fugitive, Juliet is a crying widdwe baby fertility doctor.

― nickalicious, Monday, 2 April 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

Paolo and Nikki are actually the Adam and Eve found in the caves in series one.

I think Adam & Eve are going to end up being Jack & Kate. When Jack finds "adam" in season 1, he takes the black & white stones from the skeleton's pocket. later in the same scene, Jack is seen putting the stones into his own pocket.

I will do you one hare-brained scheme better: owing to he same weird time anomalies, ben will turn out to be clarie's baby. why else would he say "i was born on this island?" 4+ times in like 2 episodes? also, all the more reason for the Others to be so hellbent on kidnapping the baby to make sure he's kept safe and healthy.

― smash your phonograph in half, Monday, 2 April 2007 01:29 (eighteen years ago)

That is unpleasantly plausible.

― Rock Hardy, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:16 (eighteen years ago)

This is genius. Smash your phonograph in half, go get a job writing LOST and make it happen.

― Beth Parker, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:52 (eighteen years ago)

ben says to juliet hmmm, the hatch opening is a bit conspicuous, we should put the plane on top of it OWTTE.

So how does Paolo get out? Isn't a big metal hatch door + an aeroplane a bit much for one guy standing on a ladder to shift?

― onimo, Monday, 2 April 2007 10:57 (eighteen years ago)

"smash your phonograph in half"'s suggestions are blowing my small mind right now.

― Ben Boyerrr, Monday, 2 April 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

Oh God no! Smash Your Phonograph In Half's theory is so similar to the plot of a book I've been working fuck hard on for the last 3 years that a little bit of sick just popped into my mouth. I pray you are wrong, SYPIH.

― Huey in Melbourne, Monday, 2 April 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

Don't worry, Huey. It's similar to 12 Monkeys, too, and lots of other stuff. It's all in keeping the details fresh. And keep in mind that people like us need a steady supply of time-bending entertainment. If writers were to stop because similar things had been done before, IT WOULD BE A SAD DAY FOR ALL.
Soldier on!

― Beth Parker, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

i'm sure you could work that in to some kind of meta-discourse, huey. "and, as he completed his final line, it dawned on him that THE BOOK HAD BEEN WRITTEN ALREADY ZOMG."

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

So how does Paolo get out?

i expect that in the time Juliet went off to get a couple of burly Other dudes to push the plane over the Pearl doors he was able to leave undetected.

but if the Others were using the Pearl why weren't they monitoring it via CCTV (with which they would've seen P&N, plus Locke and co later, enter it)?

― blueski, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

we don't know that they weren't.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

Island Momus saw Locke etc in there.

― Colonel Poo, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

i know we don't know that they weren't.

― blueski, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

but if they had been monitoring it i doubt they would've tolerated P stashing his diamonds in the UPPER DECK. or his knowing Ben's plans for Jack.

― blueski, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

why else would he say "i was born on this island?" 4+ times in like 2 episodes?

Yeah, but weren't they on Alcatraz island at that point? I assumed he meant the main island too, but you never know.

― mh, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

he just said that to Jack cos he didn't want him to know at that point that wasn't on THE island i guess.

― blueski, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

I (and everyone I know who watches Lost) really enjoyed the Paolo and Nikki ep. Did I miss something?

― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

I think Adam & Eve ... kept safe and healthy

can i just add my voice to the chorus saying FUCK YEH, THIS IS ALL BRILLIANT? i might actually stop watching right now, because unless it does end like this, i'm going to be disappointed.

― grimly fiendish, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

Holy shit that is genius.

smash your phonograph in half: have you posted here before? what do you make of the smoke monster? What's Dharma really doing?

Feel free to come back and drop some more knowledge.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

hay you guys there is going to be a DHARMA flashback episode I is excited.

― jessie monster, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:18 (eighteen years ago)

BELL BOTTOMS A GO GO

― blueski, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:36 (eighteen years ago)

PUMPING OUT THE THREE DOG NIGHT.

― jessie monster, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

I just realized that it's the same guy who plays Paolo who played Dhalsim in 300!

― Lovelace, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 00:24 (eighteen years ago)

You do all realise that "smash your phonograph in half" is an seminagram of "we is abrams and lindelof ha ha ha".

― Huey in Melbourne, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:17 (eighteen years ago)

IT WOULD BE A SAD DAY FOR ALL.

-- Beth Parker, Monday, April 2, 2007 10:09 PM (Yesterday)

And that's my title too, Beth! I'm hanging up my ripetyper.

― Huey in Melbourne, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:19 (eighteen years ago)

is ditching the diamonds a sign of resignation on Sawyer's part that they are never going home?

I don't think so. I think it's a sign of fake contrition because he doesn't want to get his ass handed to him by Jin, while at the same time he knows exactly where the diamonds are if he should decide to get them later.

Perhaps I am being cynical, but I saw the P&N episode as kind of one to boost the DVD sales/repeats market. Loads of little flashes back to stuff we remember being really cool from the first series but may not remember all the details of (witness loads of people here not having known, or not really remembering, who was in what section of the plane and how or whether they might have died. Also kind of an accessible entry point for people who had never seen the show before but might have heard stuff about it.

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 08:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'm a total sucker for all that Rashomon stuff. I love seeing the same scene from different perspectives, so I got a big kick out of this episode for that alone.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

was Star Trek TNG the first TV show to try the whole 'go back in time to a previous episode' thing where they'd mix new footage with old? was it Voyager where they went back to Kirk's Enterprise one time?

― blueski, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

Voyager did a lot of time crossovering in their own storylines. A LOT. Especially in the Janeway vs time cops episodes.

I liked how this episode in a not-so-subtle way touched on some of those things that have bothered some fans for awhile, such as: how the hell did Shannon know about the case of guns in the jungle (remember when she tried to shoot Locke?)...okay that might be the only thing but whatever, you know what I mean.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

i'm a sucker for that kind of thing, ever since seeing 'back to the future II'.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

One of my favorite insane theories circulating about Desmond's Charlie death fate flash: that Charlie will drown BUT actually come back to life* in some new underground/underwater location, while Desmond thinks his flash has come true and he decides hey since Penny can't find me I might as well lay it to Claire, she's earned a good rogering.

*NOTES:
a) Remember Eko's flashback when that girl drown and came back to life on the autopsy table? Her name was Charlotte.

b) Charlie has already died and come back once before, ha HA!

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

BTW I may have added that last bit about Desmond and Claire.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

Desmond has seen Charlie dying in non water-related scenarios though. If he dies I hope he stays dead.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

The cable-box info for tonight's episode has a Hurley-Sawyer twist that I hadn't heard anything about until now.

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

Do they get gay up on each other? I'd watch that

― Will M., Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

I think that "twist" has been alluded to in Lostpedia spoilers.

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

apparently there's ANOTHER Locke flashback episode very soon, and the alleged DHARMA flashback will be Ben's. finale is a fucking Jackback - tho might do a big thing on where Christian's body went woot

― blueski, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

I was hoping the finale would be a Ben flashback.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

(I'm not sure I like having spoilers like that in this thread, though. It's hard to avoid knowing what's happening in the upcoming episode, but I usually don't like to hear anything too far ahead unless it's coming from Damon and Carlton.)

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

thought it best to get the disappointment over with now rather than nearer the time!

― blueski, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

I think there is some disinformation peddling going on again among LOST peeps, there is no way they would NOT have another Sawyer flashback this season (only one!).

There is this one really really interesting not-quite-spoiler thing I was reading that is kind of backed up by an edit ABC made to a press release that I am trying really hard not to mention or think about too much.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha

please don't! mention I mean.

― dmr, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

...I usually don't like to hear anything too far ahead unless it's coming from Damon and Carlton.

The thing is I think they are full of shit more often than not.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

i've wanted to punch both of them in the face since that hour long crap they aired before season 3 began

― cutty, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think I saw that. I still like them.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

The thing is I think they are full of shit more often than not.

Perhaps, and also I know that anything they say is going to be a teaser more than an outright spoiler.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

I only recently discovered the Podcast Entries on Lostpedia.

You get all the main topics/teasers covered without having to download or listen. It only takes about five minutes to read them as opposed to half an hour listening to them. All meat, no fluff.

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

Actor portraying him would be David Cross

LOSTPEDIA OTM

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

Damon said that himself.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

DAMON OTM

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

i admit i have been taking lostpedia's collected spoilers too srsly. i mean, the game-changer? yeeeeahh riiiiight...

― blueski, Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

on the podcast they said the gay character would appear in the paulo/nikki episode. so who was it? mr. friendly was notably absent.

new episode is kind of lame. it's a kate episode, set your expectations accordingly. the catfight is indeed gratuitous.

― abanana, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:20 (eighteen years ago)

February 27th, 2007
Running Length: 5:17

Interview: Matthew Fox

The writing and production staff do not feature in this podcast. Instead, a segment of a previously aired Matthew Fox interview talking about his tattoos is presented.
Retrieved from "http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/February_27%2C_2007"
Category: Official Podcasts

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:30 (eighteen years ago)

-An episode in the future will be named "The Man from Tallahassee".

-This remark may have been a joke.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:41 (eighteen years ago)

Did Kate just straight up break Juliet's arm? Hardcore.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 April 2007 02:30 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, guess not. Still, she was screaming like a baby.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 April 2007 02:36 (eighteen years ago)

WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WE KNOW IT DON'T LIKE OUR FENCES.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 02:48 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, next week looks like a total drag... UNLESS JULIET TOTALLY SPILLS THE BEANS TO SAYID!

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

that was pretty good, i don't know why, though

― cutty, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

Shoulder relocations! Kate & Juliet v Charlie y Jack!

Most monster ever.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

because MONSTER, that's why.

xp

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

why wouldn't they just send one person back and have everyone come live in deluxe other village playground. um, beats living on the beach.

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

i think they are going to do that

― cutty, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

how many people actually believe that they "left" juliet behind? i smell an extra-smoldering doe-eyed long luxurious blonde locked Juliet trap!

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:21 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking the same thing. "Hey, beachies! We just inherited some deluxe accomodations. Follow me!"

I can't tell whether Juliet's a plant or not. Her relationship with Ben and the other Others seems to strained.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:23 (eighteen years ago)

haha I hope Jack sees the ping pong table and is all "hey guys we got billiards and foosball if you'll walk with me!". also sonic fence that whatever that thing is supposed to be doesn't like.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:30 (eighteen years ago)

was it me or did the monster flash like a bright light when Juliet first saw it?

also Locke at the beginning: HOLY SHIT AWESOME. B Plot with Sawyer as roffletastic bumpkin grouch wasn't doing it for me. Also the fact that Juliet SONS Kate in the billiard hall, but is totally helpless later on? Also the "LOL LOSTies almost encounter in real life but forget to find out NAMES" bit is old already. Other than that it was a sweet episode, way better than I expected it to be.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 5 April 2007 04:43 (eighteen years ago)

was it me or did the monster flash like a bright light when Juliet first saw it?

Oh yeah and remember when Locke asked Eko about the creature "did you see a very white light?", now Juliet (and maybe I guess Kate too?) saw it.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 04:50 (eighteen years ago)

Hey guys, same tree btw, SAME TREE! (USED IN MANY SCENES INCLUDING WALT V POLAR BER SCENE)

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 04:52 (eighteen years ago)

the light. like it was scanning. and it seemed to see juliet and then bail.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 5 April 2007 06:57 (eighteen years ago)

For the majority of this episode I was all "oh, neat, Hurley is the mayor of the beach!"

― Clay, Thursday, 5 April 2007 06:59 (eighteen years ago)

I thought this was a pretty good one too

is there anything gullible locke WON'T believe

if you told him he was special he'd jump off a cliff for acceptance

I can't tell whether Juliet's a plant or not. Her relationship with Ben and the other Others seems to strained.

i think she's either A) straight up working for the Others or B) Ben has her number just like everybody else and is pulling the strings and manipulating her even if she doesn't realize it.

― dmr, Thursday, 5 April 2007 07:17 (eighteen years ago)

I think Juliet could possibly be a rogue element, weighing the odds and playing whoever will get her headed home sooner. Ben knows, Jack is dumb.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 April 2007 07:57 (eighteen years ago)

Hurley + Sawyer = wuv.

― Roz, Thursday, 5 April 2007 08:56 (eighteen years ago)

Although the plan turning out for Sawyer to be leader was crap... I was just hoping for it to be just a Hurley pwns Sawyer thing. And now it's pointless because Sayid, Kate, and Jack will be back.

― Roz, Thursday, 5 April 2007 09:01 (eighteen years ago)

The silly Hurley/Sawyer subplot was making fun of Survivor, methinks.

― Maria :D, Thursday, 5 April 2007 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

Half-dreamt thoughts upon waking: "box" = magic lamp, Smokey = genie, wishing sort of = praying, different manifestations of genie/God dependent upon the wisher/prayer = Smokey/white light.

Discuss.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think it will pointless though, Sawyer is finally feeling like part of the crue and then tomorrow the people everybody loves come back and he'll feel more outsiderly than ever.

So guys where the fuck did Ben et al GO!?!?

And yeah I think the white flash was kind of a scan and maybe like recognition on smokey's part that they were someone, uh, special? Maybe on Jacob's list? Whatever the flash is, Eko did NOT see it when he stared the thing down, and he's dead now.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and there was the part where the Lost folks hired Robin Williams and started having Smokey spout off dated cultural references ca. 1994, but there's probably only a 75% or so likelihood of that happening.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

why the fuck did kate not say 'hey, she had a key to our handcuffs the whole time' when jack got all bossy and said juliet was going back with them? He's an idiot. I bet she was never even gassed.

Also, why did none of them say, "hey what happened to Locke?"

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure they will be asking about Locke soon enough.

BTW guys all of Kate's aliases so far have been saints - Lucy, Annie (Anne), Monica, Maggie (Margaret). haha she's that Val Kilmer movie.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Locke's one little scene in this episode was pretty amazing, I love when she asked if he was captured and he was like "only temporarily". WTF is that supposed to mean John?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

I think he's leading the Others on a walkabout to get more in touch with the island.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

so do we believe Juliet that the Ben-Others don't even know what Smokey is

that part where she blocked it behind the sonic fence was cool

― dmr, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

Sonic fence activation code - 1623 lol.

How did she know the fence was disarmed? If she's not acting as a plant (which I kind of doubt - remember she was 'marked'), it almost implies it isn't typically armed, which would mean maybe Mikhail faked his death (some Dharma theatrical in-ear blood squirters, a chewed up alka-seltzer)? Did anybody check his pulse? I forget.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

i don't see why it didn't just go over the fence

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

Juliet is a total snitch. she knew it was disarmed b/c this all a ruse for her to get into the beach crowd. (her own personal agenda: get in Jack's pants. ew.)

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

it is slightly possible Locke is working a ruse to get into the Others crowd but I have trouble giving him that much credit at this point. and blowing up the sub seems like too big a price to pay to gain Ben's trust ...

― dmr, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

Guys I think Locke has been punching him some fucking dadface, his hand was totally not bandaged last time we saw him:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x15-leftbehind/1/normal_left-behind-cap0085.jpg

Also check this out: the "sleeping gas" can says TECHNICOLOR on it (huge pic).

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

no, that's techonologic or something similar.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

Okay wait I don't think it actually says technicolor, more like, technilogic?

xpoist

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

Also I think whatever Juliet is up to she's in it for her own reasons, and that her coming to beach camp is supposed to directly parallel Locke going with the Others to wherever the fuck they're going.

I am really, really hoping Sayid gets all TAKE TWO KILL THE REST on her next week.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also in the Locke/Juliet parallel, they are the only two characters who have seen the white light when confronted by the smokey.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

was it only Juliet that the white light was directed to or Kate as well? I don't trust Juliet at all btw.

Technologic? Plz say yes to ROBOTS.

― Roz, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

I just looked at that pic again and I think it says ALS Technologies on the canister.

― Roz, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

"ALS G2 7 ?
Continuous Discharge CS Smoke"

― dmr, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

god there is even a website for ALS

found via the lost easter eggs site -- http://www.alslesslethal.com/

― dmr, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

haha non-lethal weapons! Maybe Tom Waits will make a cameo.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

I honestly can't tell is it's a fake site or not

it looks fake but people in the comments at lost easter eggs claim they called the 800 number and a real person answered "ALS?"

― dmr, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

The crappiness of the site screams real.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

if this guy is real he should get a cameo on the show. ALS founder D4v3 Alv1rez!!

http://www.alslesslethal.com/images/dave-jp.jpg

― dmr, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

He's wearing one of those fake baldheads.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

i think the fence was made just to keep smoke monster out. it was too easy for people to get over it. smoke monster cant go over it. though he got pretty high when he killed eko.

― chaki, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

OK I was unfortunately not paying close enough attention during the fence part... Did Juliet just run through? Could it have been that Mikhail just stopped running that led him to be "killed"?

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

im guessing juliet turned off the fence, walked her and kate out to the jungle and just didnt tuurn it back on.

― chaki, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

she went to that little box and turned it off for them to pass through.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

what?

― chaki, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

WRT smokemonster/white light:

did anyone else think that Kate and Juliet's faces looked kind of Orangey or Sunburned for the rest of the episode after thier encounter with it?

Also WRT invisible fence/smokemonster/cutty's theory:

wasnt there an exchange between Sayid and Rousseau in S1 where Sayid asked what some strange noises were and Rousseau said it was "a security system." Could she have actually been talking about the fence and not the monster? i cant remember how she acted when they came upon the fence a few weeks ago.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

she was talkin bout smokey.

― chaki, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

Did Juliet just run through?

she just ran through, which kinda shows she knew FOR A FACT (not a guess) that it was turned off

I still think "security system" refers to the smoke

― dmr, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

she just ran through, which kinda shows she knew FOR A FACT (not a guess) that it was turned off

You're right. I forgot that's when she busted out the key.

did anyone else think that Kate and Juliet's faces looked kind of Orangey or Sunburned for the rest of the episode after thier encounter with it?

yes I did too.

Didn't Rosseau seem a bit non-plussed by the fences? As if she knew they were there?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

BTW the "security system" scene was in s1 finale, and it was Jack, Kate, & Rousseau I'm pretty sure IN THE SAME TREE AS LAST NIGHT haha (on trek to the Black Rock), and she was definitely referring to smokey.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

Juliet to Kate: "blah blah I know all this stuff about Jack"
Juliet to self: *be careful don't say anything about Claire, you can still take that baby!*

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Juliet is sexy.

― Ronan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

That's what I got from this week's episode.

― Ronan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

The 'scanning' with white light by the monster of Kate and Juliet: when did this happen to Locke (as mentioned above)? Was it also three scans? Missed that...

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

Ronan OTM. Especially when covered in MUD.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

I really fancied Cassie. Ah hell, I fancy them all.

― Alba, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

Who was Cassie?

Juliet was a stealth crush, I think I fancied her all along and now I suddenly realise this. She is the suave ying to Kate's narky aggressive yang.

― Ronan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

Cassie was the one Sawyer ripped off in the flashback.

― Alba, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

It was her mouth.

― Alba, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

don't get me started on juliet. wait, is there lost fanfic??? oh jeez forget i said anything.

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yeah, what was her full name again, Cassidy. Yeah she's nice too. No Juliet though. She can lure me as a gigantic column of smoke shaped monster into her sonic barrier any time.

― Ronan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:55 (eighteen years ago)

oh god why did i look...

"He wanted to get up, go over to Sawyer’s tent, call inside or knock on the palm fronds, whatever the etiquette was when approaching a makeshift home on a beach. He wanted to hear Sawyer’s southern accent, his scratchy drawl, the clever puns and nicknames he gave everyone. As much as he didn’t want to admit it, he wanted Sawyer’s dark eyes on him, and he wanted his own eyes on Sawyer, looking over his bare flesh, wanting to kiss it, taste it, feel it under his fingertips…"

http://www.lostfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=1193

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:55 (eighteen years ago)

I have a "no feeling" after reading that.

― Ronan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

“Sure took you long enough to let me in on the secret,” Sawyer murmured against Jack’s shoulder.

“Yeah,” Jack replied softly, spent.

“Well, I hate to break the mood, but I don’t feel like explainin’ to the French Chick, those Others, or some smoky Hell-Monster what the hell we’re doin’ all hot and sticky in this net.”

Jack started laughing.

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 6 April 2007 00:37 (eighteen years ago)

i'm so very sorry. let's just pretend it's not there.

― scott seward, Friday, 6 April 2007 00:45 (eighteen years ago)

noooooooooooooooooooooo

― rrrobyn, Friday, 6 April 2007 00:57 (eighteen years ago)

fanfic why u hurt my tv shows?

― rrrobyn, Friday, 6 April 2007 00:59 (eighteen years ago)

eyewash (credit: chaki):

http://putzi.fan-arts.net/putzi/creative/tv/lost/jack_kate2.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:07 (eighteen years ago)

Ahahahaha, that's so painful it makes me smile!

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:11 (eighteen years ago)

can you guys ever forgive me :(

― scott seward, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:15 (eighteen years ago)

I write LOSt slashfic in my mind every time Jack and Sawyer are on screen together.

― nickalicious, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:23 (eighteen years ago)

Jack has cut down seriously on his bobble heading lately. Significant?

― Jeff, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:25 (eighteen years ago)

The 'scanning' with white light by the monster of Kate and Juliet: when did this happen to Locke (as mentioned above)?

We never actually saw it, but in "Walkabout" (waaaay way long ago) Locke had a face-to-face with the monster (we didn't see it, only him), later ("The Cost of Living", this season) after Eko has encountered it, Locke tells him he saw a white light.

― nickalicious, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:26 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks Nick!
And a bag of kudos for you remembering the episode titles... They mean nothing to me, usually.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:37 (eighteen years ago)

I ~~have a gift~~ am pathetic.

― nickalicious, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:38 (eighteen years ago)

I figured the ~~first~~ last. And I am greatful.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:43 (eighteen years ago)

it looks fake but people in the comments at lost easter eggs claim they called the 800 number and a real person answered "ALS?"

are you sure it wasn't "A/S/L"?

― blueski, Friday, 6 April 2007 01:55 (eighteen years ago)

they gave jack stronger als gas than kate and juliet, huh: he was still out when they got back to otherville.

the sonic death ray vs smokey was fucking cool.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 6 April 2007 07:10 (eighteen years ago)

Jack was bobble heading like a Thunderbird in the scene just after he woke up. "NOW......." SQUINTS EYES IN THAT JACK "SARDONIC" WAY BOBBLEBOBBLEBOBBLE "NOW WE GO BACK!"

― Ronan, Friday, 6 April 2007 09:04 (eighteen years ago)

jack is not the only actor on the cast with tics. maybe there's something meta in the fact that juliet and ben are the best actors.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 6 April 2007 09:14 (eighteen years ago)

i think the whole ensamble is pretty great... i mean damn... next to nbc's heroes they look like the greatest actors of all time. its like mad tv vs the upright citizens brigade or something.

― chaki, Friday, 6 April 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

jack/sawyer is such an obvious pairing. Let's see some Sayeed/Hurley.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:01 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, let's just see some Sayid:

http://media.movieweb.com/news/12.2006/grind_03.jpg

in Grindhouse. rowr.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

I think there was a lot of Charlie/Sayid slash directly following their season 1 finale adventure (remember when Sayid cleaned Charlie's head wound and held him?).

Damn there are a lot of guns on that elevator (gun-leg not pictured!).

they gave jack stronger als gas than kate and juliet, huh: he was still out when they got back to otherville.

also, his house was knocked around like he had put up a fight with someone.

― nickalicious, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

juliet's face doesn't change much. she has her "sexy" face on too often

and another montage w/ music bit at the end

― RJG, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

Guys I didn't realize until I watched last night but I'm pretty sure there are multiple smokeys! Watch especially as they turn away from the fence.

― nickalicious, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

you know, nothing about what juliet says makes sense. According to her, she got left behind, she woke up, dragged Kate all the way out into the jungle but leaving Jack and Sayid, and handcuffed herself to Kate to make her think that they were in it together?

Jack and Sayid didn't wake up probably because they were trapped in their shacks with not enough air. Presumably Kate wouldn't have either if Juliet hadn't taken her out. But that leaves the question of how did Juliet wake up way before everybody else?

Everything she says sounds like the sort of bullshit mindfuck Ben pulled on Locke the first time. But then again, knowing LOST, maybe we're meant to think that way.

― Roz, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

I think a lot of that doubt will come to a head next week.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

Just for roffles - did anyone notice what numbers she entered to open the perimeter fence control panel?

― David R., Friday, 6 April 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

how did Juliet wake up way before everybody else

she wasn't gassed.

1623? importance?

― Ms Misery, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

16, 23 = teh numberz.

― Roz, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

ah, I was never good at memorizing numbers.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

here's another far-fetched theory, simply because I don't trust Juliet haha: She knew what the fences were for, it's to keep out smokey. Can we assume she deliberately turned the fences off? Maybe she wanted smokey to destroy Othersville, killing Jack and Sayid in the process. With Locke gone, it'll be effectively taking out the leaders of the Losties while she manipulates Kate.

But she didn't count on meeting Smokey so soon after leaving.

and another montage w/ music bit at the end

I love all the corny montage bits! Rofflez at Sawyer's expression at the end of this one with Sun glaring at him.

― Roz, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

Guys I didn't realize until I watched last night but I'm pretty sure there are multiple smokeys! Watch especially as they turn away from the fence.

yeah that was another item on the easter egg site .... Smokey splits into 3 heads = Cerberus from the hatch map

According to her, she got left behind, she woke up, dragged Kate all the way out into the jungle but leaving Jack and Sayid, and handcuffed herself to Kate to make her think that they were in it together?

did she really say all that? I thought the whole "I wanted us to be in this together" thing just meant she lied about having the key. maybe I misunderstood. could she have even LIFTED Kate?

― dmr, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

I'm kind of sad that everyone's coming back next week and Sawyer's tenure as nice, leader guy will be shortlived.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

dmr:

I just sort of assumed, because she said that she had been gassed and that she knew that the security fence was down. I kinda thought that the only way she could have known was if she was the one who brought Kate out.

Plus, if the Others handcuffed them together, why didn't they bother to make sure that she didn't have a key?

― Roz, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

yeah I'm not sure. I guess Juliet was never even gassed but I don't think I realized that while I was watching the episode.

― dmr, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

Oh good call on 3 heads of Cerberus, I had forgotten that we are to believe that is the beast's name or something like that.

Here is what the newly reunited minus one Locke 815er crew needs to do, but probably won't (multiple choice):

a. find one of the Others boats*, how hard can that be
b. move into now vacant Others-ville
c. lure Smokey into Others-ville (inside fence) THEN arm it, trapping the thing

*they had the big one seen in Jack's tattoo ep ALSO they have Desmond's boat (it's name is Elizabeth it is named after Libby, too bad she's dead)

― nickalicious, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking that, IF Juliet is not truly left behind and is in some kind of cahoots with Ben et al, she may have spent all that time with Kate specifically because of the "case" John supposedly made for her, as though they want to test her and see if she can be made List-worthy.

I find it more likely though that Juliet actually IS left behind and is desperately "looking for an angle" as Cooper put it.

― nickalicious, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

I really don't think she was gassed though. Could they have just cut her loose ('You ain't coming with us, Bitch. Beat it.') but not gassed her?

― Ms Misery, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

The recap of the most recent podcast, up on lostpedia kind of gives a few non-spoliery clues as to the questions about Juliet's being left behind and previous knowledge of the smokemonster.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

Why does season three look less cinematic than the first two seasons?

I hadn't really noticed this but my guess is far more set stuff vs island stuff.

― nickalicious, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

Also probably (for me, anyway) 'cause this is the first season I've watched on weekly full-screen TV, as opposed to widescreened DVD.

― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:37 (eighteen years ago)

am I the only one thinking there is weird vibes between Sawyer and Sun? SEX VIBES

― Ronan, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:27 (eighteen years ago)

you should be watching on glorious HDTV

― cutty, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:00 (eighteen years ago)

Does HDTV show sex vibes more clearly?

― g®▲Ðұ, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:02 (eighteen years ago)

"am I the only one thinking there is weird vibes between Sawyer and Sun? SEX VIBES"

I'll have to look that one up in the fanfic database.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:04 (eighteen years ago)

just kidding! i won't really.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

She has a thing for getting kidnapped maybe?

― g®▲Ðұ, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

how the hell do the other know the truth about Kate? i can see googling and official records getting you so far with Jack. access to police reckids?? OR THE FUTURE

― Alan, Saturday, 7 April 2007 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

Why did Sawyer get to take credit for Desmond's boar-kill?

― Maria :D, Saturday, 7 April 2007 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

how the hell do the other know the truth about Kate? i can see googling and official records getting you so far with Jack. access to police reckids?? OR THE FUTURE

we've been through this

― cutty, Saturday, 7 April 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

woops

― cutty, Saturday, 7 April 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

Why did Sawyer get to take credit for Desmond's boar-kill?

Desmond's in on the "everybody loves Sawyer" plan?

― nickn, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

we've been through this

THEY HAS PALANTIR

― blueski, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

we've been through this, but only with regularly accessible info i reckon.

― Alan, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

why did juliette and kate wake up a full day before jack and sayed?

― akm, Saturday, 7 April 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

Well, Sayid could have been locked in, or drugged with something different? Jack looked like he'd been hit with something. We don't know they were knocked out with the same stuff.

Also, I may have missed the relevant episodes, but have we actually seen Kate's murdered stepdad? I sort of hope not, because that's a pretty big reveal waiting to happen (ie he is actually Locke's dad).

― Matt DC, Saturday, 7 April 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Wayne

― Matt Slack, Saturday, 7 April 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)

BROING!

― Matt DC, Sunday, 8 April 2007 00:18 (eighteen years ago)

Am I the only person who watches Lost on Sky One? Did anyone else spend the last 10 minutes of the programme trying to blot out the enormous yellow ad for some Simpsons treasure hunt that appeared in the top right-hand corner of the screen for the entire last segment? Fucking Sky. It'll be back to the Canadians for me if this keeps up.

Also I can't join in the thread properly because I don't get to watch the programme till Sunday.

― accentmonkey, Sunday, 8 April 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

download it brah

― Lingbert, Sunday, 8 April 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

also the abc website

― Lingbert, Sunday, 8 April 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

can't stream from abc in uk

― cutty, Sunday, 8 April 2007 22:36 (eighteen years ago)

ABC also superimposes plugs for upcoming shows, in the lower left corner of the screen. Big bright things, sometimes animated, that last about 15 seconds and infuriate the fuck out of me.

― Beth Parker, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:33 (eighteen years ago)

WAH

― chaki, Monday, 9 April 2007 02:09 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, a few weeks ago it was these little dancing assholes for dancing with the stars.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 9 April 2007 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

not literally assholes, you know.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 9 April 2007 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

can't stream from abc in uk

you can but it's big hassle searching for a useable proxy

― blueski, Monday, 9 April 2007 09:59 (eighteen years ago)

Also I don't want to download it because watching it on a 32-inch flat screen with surround sound blah de blah results in a better viewing experience for me, and given that Sky is only 5 days behind the US now, well, it's all round easier, not to mention legal.

But yes, if they fuck it up again next week, I will start dl-ing it again.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 9 April 2007 10:09 (eighteen years ago)

I download it the next day and hook my Archos up to the TV. But if I want to watch it really badly, I find it's usually on Daily Motion the next day, with French subtitles. Hurley says "mec" a lot.

― Ronan, Monday, 9 April 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

WTF with Sawyer asking Hurley how you go about appearing to be nice? Sawyer's a seasoned conman ffs, falsely ingratiating himself with people was his job! I'm beginning to think these lame sub plots only exist because we all moan about not enough Hurley and/or Sawyer in A-team episodes.

I think we'll eventually find out Wayne went beyond making "sexual advances toward Kate (which she vehemently rebuffed)." and Kate could be transferred onto Good List (ignoring all the robbing and shit).

― onimo, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)

Sawyer's a seasoned conman ffs

Good catch onimo!
It's a tribute to LOST's great hypnotic web-weaving that this didn't occur to the rest of us.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

maybe it's an elaborate double-game to trick hurley.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 07:52 (eighteen years ago)

i want to know where danielle is

― jergïns, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 08:16 (eighteen years ago)

OTM. Incidentally, who gets a flashback episode this week? I would presume it'd be Charlie, but they might hold that over until whenever his death takes place?

Another Desmond episode would be nice.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 08:23 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, it's Juliet. That makes sense.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 08:27 (eighteen years ago)

hot sense

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 08:43 (eighteen years ago)

I think we'll eventually find out Wayne went beyond making "sexual advances toward Kate (which she vehemently rebuffed)." and Kate could be transferred onto Good List (ignoring all the robbing and shit).

I dunno, I get the feeling once you're off Ben's Christmas card list that's the end of it.

Though I guess with Locke it does seem a little like they didn't want him, and now have decided to use him a little.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 08:45 (eighteen years ago)

This better be a 'what happened to Juliet when she got onto the island' episode and not something lame about her sister or something.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 08:55 (eighteen years ago)

totally. it's irrelevant (jack's tats) or been there done that (locke) flashbacks that are dragging things down.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:00 (eighteen years ago)

yeah I never want to see Juliette's sister again.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:01 (eighteen years ago)

but let's face it it's going to be about her sister dying

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:01 (eighteen years ago)

ding dong the witch is dead

i expect juliet at-airport and on-island hi-jinx

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

kate still hotter tho

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

What would Juliet be doing at an airport? Chartered Virgin Atlantic flight to Craphole Island? I want SUBMARINE action.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

okay you're right she boards the submarine at MIAMI HARBOUR

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

kate still hotter tho

nawww

― jergïns, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

preferred cassady also. hurrah for skanks.

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

I'd say you should be in w/ a good chance, there, blueski

http://www.tvsquad.com/images/2005/10/DominicMonaghanEvangelineLilly.jpg

― RJG, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

zing culture

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

claire in the garden
rose in the kitchen
smokemonster in the bedroom

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

the way L O S T has been going, juliet's sister will be someone's mum, sister, or person they bumped into randomly.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:07 (eighteen years ago)

Don't be silly. She's the Real Sawyer.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:08 (eighteen years ago)

i hope they use the dude who recruited juliet more. he has potential to be mega-creepy in a different way to ben with his suave look.

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

that dude's got some crazy eye/eyebrow action going.

hurrah for skanks.

now this otm. there was something oddly appealing about cassidy.

― jergïns, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

"This better be a 'what happened to Juliet when she got onto the island' episode "

according to podcasts and stuff, you can rest easy

― Alan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

Juliet is quite a boring character really - she's fine as a plot device but I don't actually give a shit what happens to her in any way.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

i don't care about what happens to the others in general -- they're still the bad guys right!? -- but i do care about what they're up to.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

don't say that Matt!

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

juliet's pivotal role in all things plot might improve things. i mean we have the whole reason for her being brought to island, plus the 'is she isn't she' problem from last ep to resolve.

― Alan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

i'm interested in how Juliet gets sucked into doing bad things/being privy to bad things. i mean how the hell does she even get attracted to ben in the first place. there is also other spoilery evidence that her taste in men is pretty appalling even on an island with fewer choices. jack's a phenomenal catch by her standards!

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

what is it with Ben and Juliet exactly. wasn't there speculation that they were knocking boots (as the kids say)?

― Alan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

erm...they're married or something no? or longtime partners? think them being married was denied at some stage.

perhaps ben was sexy in his younger days.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

i'm still waiting for those polar scientists who were monitoring for magnetic anomalies to show up again.

― Alan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Juliet_Burke/Theories

― Alan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

they keep talking the importance of that final scene of the last series and how there's something to it we won't have realised but i can't see how it's really going to play out. can 'the box' bring Penny to the island? will she be able to establish contact with the island/Desmond another way?

i hope my 'week on island = month everywhere else' thing bears up.

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

NO CHANCE

― g-kit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Sayid will torture her?

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

"i mean how the hell does she even get attracted to ben in the first place."

chicks dig power. and he has a salty wit to boot.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

Also he's less minging then her ex-husband, the slimy dude who got run over by a bus.

Actually I wonder if the reason the Others wanted Juliet was as much to do with her future-predicting skeelz as much as for her impregnation power?

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the implication of her flashback and her husband getting run over was less to do with her future predicting skills, and more to do with the Others creepily arranging for something she said to happen.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

yeah she didn't predict it, she just said "hit by a bus" and alpert made it so.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

would have been cooler if she said something more elaborate and ridiculous. I think I said this at the time as well, probably on this thread.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

NO CHANCE

-- g-kit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:14

hope this was worth it for you

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

nope. fingers bleeding after 9 keystrokes. medic.

― g-kit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

i mean, just one minute later...

― blueski, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

i have spies

― g-kit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

cameras on the cages

― onimo, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

they're still the bad guys right!?

ben: "we're the good guys, michael."

― cutty, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

"what kind of people do you think we are?"

― jergïns, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

it would be awes if by the end of series 5 it was revealed that the others were the good guys all along and we'd bet out shirts on the evil losties. is network television ready for that?

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 3235 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

haha jesus, <3 u ILX.

Okay I was thinking:* the Others have trouble spawning or something apparently (obession w/ kids + bringing a fertility doctor to the island). This plus them kidnapping Kate and Sawyer and totally egging on their cage-sex...is it possible they did this because they wanted Kate to get pregnant? And maybe now Juliet's primary reason for the K&J jungle adventure + being left behind is to monitor Kate's ~~pregnancy progress~~ pregress?

*I hate having to start so many posts about a tv show like this. LOST u have ruined lief!

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

would have been cooler if she said something more elaborate and ridiculous.

haha

"the ONLY possible way I could take that job was if my husband was out playing golf in a suit of armor and got struck by lightning, amirite?"

― dmr, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

cut to Alpert and Ben chain smoking and swearing...

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:54 (eighteen years ago)

NICKA IS A TRAITOR. HE IS POSTING ON THE OTHERS' MESSAGE BOARD.

― chaki, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

BIG revelations in the first half. lots of answers. people who want every answer will be disappointed by (rot13) n fvk zbagu tnc va gur synfuonpx gvzryvar.

― abanana, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)

ok now someone needs to work out the timeline

― abanana, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:49 (eighteen years ago)

last minute surprise!

guys don't miss this one

― abanana, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:56 (eighteen years ago)

they couldn't fool me. i knew it all along.

meanwhile, serious BOOBAGE.

― scott seward, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

wow

best in .... forever

― dmr, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

Crap, I fell asleep during the commercial break after Juliet was about to go back to the caves. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT!!!

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

ouch

― dmr, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:36 (eighteen years ago)

My working hypothesis is that the island is a microcosm of the whole world and is somehow linked up so that if you can change the numbers (as calculated by the Valenzetti Equation) by manipulating variables (like people being born / people dying) on the island it changes the numbers for the entire world.

Also: that sub was straight up fake dude. Must cover up some more extraordinary means of arriving at the island (like teleportation or something)

― Dan I., Thursday, 12 April 2007 06:22 (eighteen years ago)

Okay so wait: Claire lands on the island and her body starts to reject the baby, but didn't Rousseau also land on the island and give birth, no problem? Unless all that stuff about the Others selflessly helping Claire was a lie, and people who conceive off-island aren't affected?

I liked that it turned out Juliet and Ben didn't have a relationship. When she started to cry all over him he had such a "wtf girls" look on his face.

― reddening, Thursday, 12 April 2007 06:41 (eighteen years ago)

as to your first point i'd bet on the latter.

so those last five minutes or so... i was half-expecting that but not for another season.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 12 April 2007 08:37 (eighteen years ago)

HA I knew she couldn't be trusted! Great episode and really well-paced too... it's starting to feel a bit like first season LOST again.

― Roz, Thursday, 12 April 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Rousseau was a genetic anomaly, given that she gave birth to Alex on the island just fine. Maybe this is why they took Alex, she might still be the last of the female Others who is possibly able to reproduce. But they're not taking any chances either, hence Ben forbidding her little romance with Karl, because if she gets pregnant, chances are that she might die too. They didn't take Aaron because Aaron's a boy.

― Roz, Thursday, 12 April 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

I think with this they were trying to shore up as much sympathy for Juliet (audiencewise) while plunging her further into untrustworthiness. Success.

When she started to cry all over him he had such a "wtf girls" look on his face.

YES totally.

Alex was taken long ago though, possibly before "the sickness"/quarantine/purge/whatever, which may be related.

Only one frustration with this episode: her story is that Ethan did the kidnapping himself, but he couldn't have dragged Claire AND Charlie alone, and Locke said there were multiple sets of footprints. If only Locke had been there he could've called them out. Oh wait but he's with THEM isn't he? Hopefully on some sneaky sneaky shit just like Juliet and not just getting used again.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

And, more importantly on the abduction topic, nobody mentioned to her when Ethan hung Charlie up to die, which I have the feeling she knows nothing about.

She to Hurley: "I had the day off". So great.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah that bit about Ethan trying to kill Charlie was conspicuously missing.

Bunch of thoughts I'm trying to get my head around because this stupid TV show is making me think them:

About Claire: Ethan originally injected her in her sleep right? What did he inject her with? Or was it just blood taken? What's this sickness implant they can activate and de-activate at will - was Rousseau's entire crew implanted with the same thing to make her think that they were ill, but they weren't actually sick? Or is the "Sickness" an actual sickness?

And this pregnancy thing must have definitely started recently, if Ben was born on the island itself. But that might mean he wasn't originally CONCEIVED there. The difference btw the female Others, and Rousseau/Claire is the fact that their babies were conceived off-island. (Btw, I take back whatever I said earlier about why they didn't take Aaron, I forgot about the kids from the Tail section.)

― Roz, Thursday, 12 April 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

Sayid Jarrah!!!
Sayid Jarrah!!!
Sayid Jarrah!!!

For the first time in fucking years someone finally asks the right questions(Why are you terrorizing us? Making lists? Kidnapping children?!)

We don't get that many answers, but still.. And Jack with all his "I don't need to know anything" bullshit. Bah.

And Juliet is obsessed with Petula Clark.

― MRZBW, Thursday, 12 April 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

Juliet: BITCH BITCH BITCH
Jack: FOOL FOOL FOOL

God I hate Jack so much . . .

Clarify something for me. . .Was Juliet telling Jack that she hancuffed herself to Kate and dragged her out into the forest? And he didn't show any reaction? Did he already know this? (also did she call Kate some other name?)

This show is on late (for me) and I don't watch it over so I think I get alot of things wrong.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

Only one frustration with this episode: her story is that Ethan did the kidnapping himself, but he couldn't have dragged Claire AND Charlie alone, and Locke said there were multiple sets of footprints.

Juliet lied!

And I think Juliet called Kate by her last name, maybe?

― Jenny, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

Even with that closing scene I feel like she is more trustworthy (from an audience standpoint, not an 815er standpoint) than Jack as of right now. We at least know her motivations, we know how she is being manipulated and to what end.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

Jack for all we know is watching her for Ben.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

It's odd but even with Locke's shady disappearance and selfish trickstering etc I still think he more than Jack has the 815 survivors best interests in heart (Jack wasn't all that interested in leaving the island until he caught Sawyer & Kate fucking!).

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yeah and Juliet's sister was never sick, Ben is just a lying liar fucking on firepants.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

"Then I dragged Kate into the jungle, handcuffed myself to her and lied about it..."

And Jack jokes about it?

― MRZBW, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

so those last five minutes or so... i was half-expecting that but not for another season.

that was why this one rocked so hard!

plus it cleared up 2 plot points we had been talking about, one recent and one ancient

- Juliet never gassed, dragged Kate out there herself
- they gathered the info on the survivors after the fact, via Mikhail ... they didn't have files on Jack sitting around awaiting the plane's arrival. thus not a huge worldwide conspiracy to get everyone on that plane, "just" a web of coincidence, fate, etc ...

― dmr, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

Jack is super dumb in not realizing that Juliet wanting to get off the island really fucking bad and Juliet working for Ben are not mutually exclusive

― dmr, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

It would've been awesome if they had walked in on Mikhail watching p0rn.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

Pirate p0rn.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

Jack's attitude to Juliet is essentially the same as nicka's no? He knows that she's been there for three years, badly wants to leave but is forced to stay against her will, killed Pickett so that Kate/Sawyer could escape, has seen her branded because of it - from his point of view, he has no reason not to trust her side of the story.

BUT he's a fucking selfish guy wrt to the rest of the Losties, and his complete 180 on Kate after one week is fucking weird, even after the whole cagesex thing. She came back for him! I mean, Juliet's hot, but not that hot. Those grilled cheese sandwiches must be really good.

For the first time in fucking years someone finally asks the right questions(Why are you terrorizing us? Making lists? Kidnapping children?!)

Jack brought all of this up before when he was a prisoner and didn't get answers either. Which is why him not wanting to know anything now seems incredibly stupid, regardless of how much he trusts Juliet. It wasn't all that long ago that he was all angry Jack in a cage.

― Roz, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

Jack is super dumb in not realizing that Juliet wanting to get off the island really fucking bad and Juliet working for Ben are not mutually exclusive

This and the whole episode generally reminds me of what Ben said to Jack when Jack was rescuing Juliet from being executed: "Juliet doesn't care for you, Jack. Doesn't matter what she's done or what you think. She's one of us."

― Roz, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

HELP ME!

I missed the first 15 minutes. I came in at the point where Juliette was chugging the OJ and she woke up in the sub. Can you please tell me what I missed?

― Jesse, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

Roz otm. I don't trust Juliet and her simpy little smile AT ALL.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

If Juliet was truly in league with Ben and willingly participating in some cold shit though, they wouldn't have spelled it out so obviously, that has never, ever, ever been their modus operandi with the plot of this show.

Not that she's exactly trustworthy, but I don't think it's anywhere near as simple as some she can't be trusted, she's still working with them shit.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Like, working with Ben = lies.
The way this show has always operated = lies within lies within lies.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

She was sleeping with Goodwin who died at the hands of the Losties. Yet another reason for her not to be on their side.

But I think ultimately she's looking out for herself. She might not like the Others or agree with them but it's just that much wiser for her to be working with them - with their magic box, their godly figure named Jacob, their apparent ability to cure cancer, and their huge resources. (Even if her sister's cancer never came back and Ben did lie, clearly, Rachel is leverage to ensure Juliet's loyalty.)

― Roz, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

Oh Jesse! I will recap the first 15 for you (and/or ruin the first 15 for Britishes/Australians/Others):

Jack, Juliet, Kate, Sayid walking through jungle. Sayid says "this is a good place to make camp". Jack & Kate go for firewood, she asks about his week with Them, he's all "I made a deal, kept my head down, didn't ask any questions"*. Meanwhile Sayid is all "wtf are you people up to?". FLASHBACK. Juliet and Cancer Ridden Sis show up at some place, Ethan is all "wtf lemme git ur bags", he and guy with crazy eyelashes ("Alpert") put her in van, she says byebye to Cancer Ridden Sis [fun fact: "Downtown" is playing through this whole scene, I guess the significance being this is the last time she ever sees her Cancer Ridden Sis]. UNFLASHBACK. Juliet: "I can't or u make me dead!" Sayid: "LOL I WILL DO THAT IF U DON'T.". COMMERCIAL. Charlie finds Baby crying, Claire sleeping. Charlie: "y u sleep thru baby crying?". Claire is groggy and pale. Charlie takes baby. Can't remember how it gets from that scene to Juliet's next flashback, which is where you started watching.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

*I don't believe Jack.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Mega-eyelashes-havin' drink-roofying guy (Richard Alpert fka Batmanuel) said something really really creepy like twice but I can't remember what/when.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

sub-nickalicious mode:

small bit just before that first COMMERCIAL: Jack tells Sayid: "Leave Jules alone, she'll tell you when she's ready, she's under MY protection now, GOT IT?" Sayid/Kate exchange meaningful glances.

And then after Charlie takes baby: More walking through jungle, Jack makes joek about Juliet handcuffing herself to Kate. FLASHBACK: Ethan takes Juliet's vitals. Batmanuel tells her her OJ is laced with a tranquilizer, and "Wow, you bought all our stories even though no other scientist knows who we are, and you don't even know where you're going. I think it's because you know you special, you can make babies for people who can't have babies, you so awesome Jules! And this place you're going to? Super-duper awesome. and special." Juliet drinks OJ. Ethan: Wow, you really shouldn't have drunk that so fast, Juliet passes out.

― Roz, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder why they felt the need to be so explicit about the final reveal? it was in everyone's mind "but she still could be..." so the writers could have just let us know that we were thinking this with something small, but not a huge 'here's the plan A B C D and E'.

the key line of info 'we'll be back for you in a week'. assuming J can't do anything crucial in that week, what the blimmin flip are the others (and locke (and rousseau??)) doing in that week?

― Alan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

any catch all the overt references to time/space again in this episode?

"you'd be amazed how much time flies on the island" or something like that

― cutty, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

and i also found it weird that the video ben showed to juliet was supposed to be in the past but it seemed he was talking to someone live?

― cutty, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

it wasn't a video, it was a live satellite feed

― dmr, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

didn't he say the video was from six months ago or some shit?

― cutty, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

hmmm

I thought he showed the date on the newspaper to prove it was live

but maybe I missed a line of dialogue

― dmr, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

There were conflicting messages on the time continuum in this ep, Alpert absolutely said "time flies" on the island, but the whole scene with Mikhail & the live video feed implied time was the same on the island as the outside world (I say "implied" because that could always have been video from the future and Ben is just a lying liarpants).

When Ben did the "uplink" to Richard in Miami that was supposed to be live. Also Mikhail was already watching the feed about Oceanic 815 before Ben showed up to talk to him about it. This could've all been an elaborate set-up for Juliet though.

I loved when Ben was all "Mikhail it's Ben for god's sake don't shoot me!"...which is funny, but also wtf were they getting at with this line, that he's just some crazy shut-in who shoots at everyone, or that there are people (besides Danielle who says she avoids places like that) he might be shooting at!??

xposts aplenty

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

video from the future

he can see forward in the future now??

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

No I mean, like, if time is slower on the island than the outside world*, then he could be taking video of stuff that has long since happened in real-time like months later and show it to island inhabitants claiming it is "live".

*although this wouldn't jive with the "time flies where you're going" statement

I'm starting to think all the time flux theories are red herring.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

my head's starting to hurt. :(

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

I bet Juliet has something in her medicine box that will help u!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

she had dirty pillows last night

― cutty, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

c on dirty pillows

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

dmr touched on it upthread, but assuming the stuff on Mikhail's screens are indeed actual satellite feeds and not an elaborate setup for Juliet, it is only the second time in the show's run that we have had a glimpse of post-crash-off-island-world. (the first being penny/north pole scientist dudes).

this is soooooo huge because it establishes:

-as dmr pointed out, others had no pre-knowledge of 815's passengers or 815 itself.

-the outside world knows about 815's disappearance and that it was covered by the international media (you would have thought so, but we haven’t known for sure till now).

-ben can communicate in real-time with operatives in the outside world.

-locke exploded all the equipment that connects to the outside world.

i think an off-island-post-crash episode in season four would be fucking awesome.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

...it is only the second time in the show's run that we have had a glimpse of post-crash-off-island-world. (the first being penny/north pole scientist dudes).

There was one other...when Ben showed Jack the Socks winning the World Series. But all yr points are still very much valid.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

(if not obvious).

i guess i didnt count the red sox because real life wrote that and not L O S T writers.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

the first being penny/north pole scientist dudes

yeah what the hell happened to this??

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

my guess is we wont know for a while.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

I thought about the Freaks reference, but forgot how the plot played out. This is from Lostpedia:

"One of us": The title of the episode, spoken by Jack to Juliet, echoes the famous line chanted by the circus freaks to Cleopatra upon the occasion of her marriage to the midget Hans in Tod Browning's classic 1932 film Freaks. In that film, the circus freaks chant the line to Cleopatra as a sign of acceptance, while unknown to them she actually only married Hans for his money and secretly finds the freaks repulsive. Ultimately, after her deception is discovered, she is attacked by the circus freaks and left deformed, at which point she truly is one of them.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Now I really need a drink.

― aimurchie, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

I cant remember right now, how close to the crash was the Goodwin/Juliet naked-post-coital scene? I wonder if that was there to drop more than just the fact that she was romantically attached to him... like maybe it is important to know she was sexually active.... and could be preggers too?????

Also, maybe Kate/Sawyer cagesex makes more sense now. Others kidnapped them because they wanted to experiment with non-other reproduction.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:12 (eighteen years ago)

did juliet's sister say 'preggers'?!?

― Alan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, "I'm one hundred percent preggers"

p00r w33 Sun is (allegedly) going to die without an Ethan to kidnap her :(

― onimo, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

where in the world is that casual unaffected slang?

― Alan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

where 'where in the world' = literally speaking. not 'WTF who sez this shit?'

― Alan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

i do

― cutty, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

i used it in the post right above you.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

America, to answer your question.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

unaffectedly? ;-)

xpost. ok then. sounds aussie to me.

― Alan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:36 (eighteen years ago)

I'd say most English speaking nations, including mine (Scotland).

― onimo, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

i have only ever head it used in a mocking sort of way. usually 'sarcastic posh'

― Alan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.preggersmaternity.com/assets/preggers_layout/images/layout_r3_c1.jpg

― cutty, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

What is the Others plan then? What are they actually trying to do? Get to Sun's baby? It seems likely they impregnated her doesn't it?

I can't believe Juliet was sexing with that fucking Goodwin creep.

― Ronan, Thursday, 12 April 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha, when she said "!00% preggers" I wished she would say Teeny-isms like "OMG KNOCKED UP" and "a baby is totally going to come out of my vagina!"

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 13 April 2007 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

i agree that this was a pretty fun episode, and was downright thrilled to learn of the others' monitoring/ communications abilities before the hatch was blown.

i don't think juliet's *all that* hot, but i wouldn't have minded them lingering a bit more helmut newton style in the scene of her woozily exiting the submarine. just saying.

― Mike McGooney-gal, Friday, 13 April 2007 00:27 (eighteen years ago)

way way way way xxxxxxxpost

Alba, you should totally watch Deadwood for more Cassidy action.

I had completely forgotten about all the Claire getting prodded 'dreams'. They're still explaining shit I forgot needed to be explained, yos!

― Gukbe, Friday, 13 April 2007 01:21 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking of this episode and the Locke ep. In the Locke ep, there was that whole conversation with Ben and Locke about the healing powers of the island, the whole "i'm in a wheelchair, you're not" etc.

What if the island is punishing the Others? The way they talk about it, it's almost like they're living in paradise. And then suddenly, this happens: babies stop being born. The women die in pregnancy. Ben develops cancer, when there has never been an occurence of cancer on the island. Ben is baffled - hence, Juliet being all "why are you scared, Ben?" and his eager questioning of Locke about when precisely his paralysis was cured.

815 crashes and the exact opposite happens to the survivors: Locke, paralysed, starts to walk. Rose's cancer gets cured. Jin, who was sterile, impregnates Sun. Locke mentions being able to communicate with the island. Technically, he's not the only one if you consider everyone else's dreams and visions. Like the island has at least some ability to connect with and affect the 815-ers.

I know that it's been implied that the visions are all Smokey, but maybe that's just it. By keeping Smokey out with their fences, plus not embracing nature or whatever, the Others have somehow angered the island. I mean, the show has always been about dualism: reason or faith, good or bad, live together or die alone. Add another one: science or nature. They need to get back to their nature side or whatever... which is where Locke comes in, because he, more than anyone on either side, seems to be able to understand his purpose on the island.

― Roz, Friday, 13 April 2007 03:43 (eighteen years ago)

So what was the deal with the Black Smoke Monster, anyway?

― i, grey, Friday, 13 April 2007 06:33 (eighteen years ago)

good points, roz. i like the idea of the 815ers having something to teach the others.

thank god for flashbacks that actually matter.

goodwin is the poor man's chris cooper.

― jergïns, Friday, 13 April 2007 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

"Karl developed these x-rays..."

our little Karl has a vocation!

― jergïns, Friday, 13 April 2007 09:44 (eighteen years ago)

can someone explain the "if you stay I promise to cure your sister's cancer" line? I thought this was a precursor to the sister coming to the island, but no. was ben lying ("I don't lie")? was she already cured? i think i missed something.

i'm really happy that jack might get shown for the tool he is in this plotline.

― jergïns, Friday, 13 April 2007 09:47 (eighteen years ago)

"I thought this was a precursor to the sister coming to the island"

me too! i guess it was simply a lie and she was ok.

― Alan, Friday, 13 April 2007 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

- they gathered the info on the survivors after the fact, via Mikhail ... they didn't have files on Jack sitting around awaiting the plane's arrival. thus not a huge worldwide conspiracy to get everyone on that plane, "just" a web of coincidence, fate, etc ...

Here's one then: how the fuck did Juliet know Sawyer shot a man the night before the crash? It's not like that was some shit Mikhail could Google. Sawyer hasn't told anyone about it and there's nothing connecting him to the guy he shot.

― onimo, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

― jergïns, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

loved that sawyer line about him clearing his calendar

― jergïns, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

Me too, though the Hugo Is Fat gags are getting a bit old.

― onimo, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)

Oh noes Juliet's sister has changed gender and weighs 197lbs and has a heart condition!

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/04/chart-goof.html

― onimo, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Image]

my theory from previous in the thread:

we saw the episode where he shot the guy. which means smokemonster collected that memory from sawyer. which means the others watched it too.

― cutty, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

shit i was supposed to be quoting:

Here's one then: how the fuck did Juliet know Sawyer shot a man the night before the crash? It's not like that was some shit Mikhail could Google. Sawyer hasn't told anyone about it and there's nothing connecting him to the guy he shot.

― cutty, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

So we're going with smoke monster being psychic and/or mind reader?

I was thinking that if that is the case then Ben's lists aren't about him judging people, more to do with who can survive the smoke monster. No point recruiting anyone who's going to get the Eko treatment.

― onimo, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

it would seem to make sense if Mikhail's job was operating Smokey. Was Smokey around much after he saw saw them looking at him in the hatch?

― Ronan, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

No point recruiting anyone who's going to get the Eko treatment.

But the Others tried to take Eko the night after the crash.

Was Smokey around much after he saw saw them looking at him in the hatch?

Yes, DIRECTLY after they saw him in the Pearl was when Smokey killed Eko.

― nickalicious, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

But the Others tried to take Eko the night after the crash.

That would have been before Benry had lists, wouldn't it? He gave Ethan and Goodwin 3 days.

― onimo, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

If Mikhail was controlling smokemonster, who's controlling it now that both Mikhail and the Flame is gone? And if they're using it to collect memories, why do they need to keep the smokemonster out of Othersville?

my guess is they're getting all this from Ben's magic box, whatever it is. you know, the kind that makes spinal surgeons and con-artist dads fall from the sky.

― Roz, Friday, 13 April 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

again cutty's theory is the only thing that makes what they're saying make sense

― jergïns, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

haha i saw Ethan in an old episode of Law & Order SVU last night. It was almost the same character as Ethan: stone-faced-creepy-obviously-witholding-information guy.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

Here's one then: how the fuck did Juliet know Sawyer shot a man the night before the crash? It's not like that was some shit Mikhail could Google. Sawyer hasn't told anyone about it and there's nothing connecting him to the guy he shot.

I wonder about this too. I guess we're to take from this that OtherCorp
has a crack research dept. Maybe they tracked down the guy who tricked Sawyer into the murder & got it out of him.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:02 (eighteen years ago)

― cutty, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:17 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm? Maybe I don't remember the Sawyer-murder episode that well-- Didn't he kill a food cart guy, having been led to believe he was the real Sawyer by some shady dude? Or did he kill the shady dude? Either way, OtherCorp should have been hired to do Bernie Kerik's background check.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:35 (eighteen years ago)

Just checked Lostipedia-- Hibbs is the shady dude's name & he's apparently still alive. So there you go.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I see--you have a smoke monster theory. I guess I'm playing the Doggett role.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:45 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't Locke have his 1st encounter with Smoky well before Ben was captured? If so, and if the Others can see what it sees, why would Ben have been surprised to see Locke walking after he was captured? I suppose Locke's Robert Bly-like authenticity could have a blinding effect on Smoky.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:49 (eighteen years ago)

Not that it pokes any holes in cutty's theory, but Sawyer has not had an encounter with the monster (at least in smoke form: him unconscious and speaking as kate's father could have been a manifestation.)

― g®▲Ðұ, Saturday, 14 April 2007 02:10 (eighteen years ago)

i think whoever the REAL head honcho is can see the flashbacks/read minds, is the smoke monster, and can create hallucinations. and is an alien.

― scott seward, Saturday, 14 April 2007 02:20 (eighteen years ago)

when is the smoke monster getting its flashback episode

― abanana, Saturday, 14 April 2007 02:53 (eighteen years ago)

I can see them introducing a new character, letting him hang out at the beach for half a season, having Hurley always asking people if they've seen him around, then giving him an on-island flashback ep. at the end of which we find out he's a manifestation of the smoke monster.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 14 April 2007 04:19 (eighteen years ago)

i think whoever the REAL head honcho is can see the flashbacks/read minds, is the smoke monster, and can create hallucinations. and is an alien.

And has a body made of gold. And huge red eyes.

― Ronan, Saturday, 14 April 2007 09:16 (eighteen years ago)

that was a great episode.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

was it the mooted 'game-changer' though?

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

i think an off-island-post-crash episode in season four would be fucking awesome.

-- g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:11 (Yesterday)

You got me thinking about an episode where the families & friends of the Losties react to the plane going missing--but how many of the off islanders we've seen are still alive? Kate's mom, Sawyer's preggers mark, the rest of Drive Shaft, Jack's ex-wife, Sun's dad, Hurley's family, Locke's ex-girlfriend (& his Dad, if that wasn't really him in the Locke Box.) Not that interesting, I guess. Penny could appear as well, though Desmond wasn't on the plane.

I think Hurley's money is potentially an interesting character. There's probably a battle over having him declared dead. If his financial advisor continues with the prudent investments I wouldn't be surprised if Hurley ends up owning Dharma and whoever the Others work for.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 14 April 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

how many of the off islanders we've seen are still alive?

Jack's Mum, Jack's Ex-wife, Kate's Mum (had a terminal illness I think, so is probably dead), Kate's Dad (the army dude), Sawyer's mark (+ daughter), The woman Sayid was looking for (Nadia?), Hurley's parents, Locke's mum and ex-girlfriend, Sun's dad, Jin's dad, Driveshaft, Claire's ex-boyfriend, Walt's step-dad, Boone's mum (Shannon's step-mum), Ana-Lucia's mum

Probably a few more.

― Matt Slack, Saturday, 14 April 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

re. juliet telling sayid 'if i told you everything i know you'd kill me'... nothing in her flashbacks bears that out. in fact it was exactly the story she'd tell the losties to get them on-side. as jack said, she apparently wants to leave the island. so in the final scene, has ben somehow offered her a way off the island, is that the deal? she knows not to trust him. i don't think it's really plausible that she was ever going to kill ben, but it's still totally unclear where she's headed.

the flashbacks are very selective, of course.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

When Jack told Juliet he trusted her because he saw how badly she wanted to leave the island, I was thinking, "Yeah, just as bad as Michael did."

― mulla atari, Saturday, 14 April 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, I took the "if I told you everything..." line to mean a) "we did some fucked up shit" or by the end of the episode b) "lol when I get to the part about how I'm playing all your asses, SNIKT"

― jessie monster, Saturday, 14 April 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

much as i deplore torture and violence against women, jack should really have given sayid his head.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 14 April 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

Annoyed at how, when JuLIEt got cornered by Sawyer and Sayid who were after answers, they shut up just because they didn't have the moral highground or whatever crap she was spouting. Uh ok, you're right, we done some bad things, feel free to go and inject Claire with whatever dubious substances you want.

Also not happy with Jack knowing about Juliet handcuffing Kate etc, what is he supposed to think/know about that? He's such a dick, anyway.

― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 15 April 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

THought this was a pretty cool episode. I appreciate that more and more concrete answers to the mysteries are being given, yet the motivations & intentions of the Others' crew still remain hidden. I expect we'll see Jacob right around the season finale... but I would have thought that Penny Widmore would have shown up already as well, so whatever...

HOWEVER, in this episode in particular, I had a problem with Claire's implant--while I appreciate the answer to what they were doing with Claire, and I understand that Ben & Co have a love of duplicity, mindgames, obfuscations & elaborate ruses, are we supposed to believe that they gave Claire this thing just in case they were in a situation in which Juliet was required to gain the trust of the survivors? Talk about contingency planning! Now if, through the implant, they've also got some remote access to Claire's psyche that makes her continually spurn/forgive Charlie, and are doing so simply to drive the hobbit mad, then I'll reconsider the plot device.

― Sparkle Motion, Sunday, 15 April 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

this episode was brilliant, just kept on giving. agree that the end scene was a tad un-necessary but can't figure out quite why Juliet is there because they wouldn't know Sun is pregnant right?

― blueski, Sunday, 15 April 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

but Sawyer has not had an encounter with the monster (at least in smoke form: him unconscious and speaking as kate's father could have been a manifestation.

also the boar that kept hassling him maybe.

― blueski, Sunday, 15 April 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Penny Widmore appears in next week's possibly Desmond-centric episode.

are we supposed to believe that they gave Claire this thing just in case they were in a situation in which Juliet was required to gain the trust of the survivors?

Actually, I'm guessing that the three captured originally: Kate, Sawyer and Jack probably have implants by now, they were all injected with something at one point, right? Maybe this is why Juliet doesn't have a choice but to go along with the Others' plans, she's been implanted too. I doubt this though, she has the antidote after all.

With Claire I don't think they gave it to her, just in case, she was never meant to escape, remember? But they activated hers because she has the most plausible story - she was the pregnant one, whose baby they were all trying to save.

― Roz, Sunday, 15 April 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

i liked the symbolic re-tying of the knot at the end of this ep - she's a double-crosser!

― Roz, Sunday, 15 April 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

I don't see why Sayid wouldn't want to kill Juliet, after all, most of US want to.

― Beth Parker, Sunday, 15 April 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

I guarantee you they are the next surprise couple on this show.

― Sparkle Motion, Sunday, 15 April 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

can't figure out quite why Juliet is there because they wouldn't know Sun is pregnant right?

Sawyer vs Kate CAGEMATCH = Breeding programme

― onimo, Sunday, 15 April 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

but can't figure out quite why Juliet is there because they wouldn't know Sun is pregnant right?

I've been trying to think of a development that would flip Juliet to the Losties' side, and her finding out about Sun's pregnancy might be it.

― Rock Hardy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

erm...why wouldn't they know Sun is pregnant? I still think it's possible they impregnated her somehow. not by sexin'

― Ronan, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah

― blueski, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

If the next episode is Desmond-centric I suspect this might be the 'OMG the island has been spotted!' game-changer. Or at least something to follow up on that massive cliffhanger from the end of S2 that they've not mentioned at all up to now.

― Matt DC, Sunday, 15 April 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

It would be just like LOST to follow up that cliffhanger in the most half-assed & casual way though.

― Sparkle Motion, Sunday, 15 April 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

This is my speculation (not actual spoiler) based on a vague official description of an upcoming episode that mentioned the importance of the cable found in Season One-- I'm thinking that Penny's people have been monitoring the location of the Hatch explosion, but since, as has been repeatedly pointed out on the show, communications were knocked out by the explosion, they haven't been picking anything up. Desmond may have a flash forward or sideways that alerts him to this fact, resulting in a Gilligan's Island "Let's get rescued" attempt to restore the thing that was broadcasting the Numbers which will inevitably go very badly.

― mulla atari, Monday, 16 April 2007 02:37 (eighteen years ago)

Back to off-island stuff--I wonder if the missing plane is a big story in the media? Some of the passengers would have to spark interest-- a lottery winner, a federal marshall escorting a captured murderer, a "rock star"--right wingers probably speculating that Sayyid hi-jacked the plane.
It wouldn't surprise me if the media were the ones digging around into backgrounds and Mikhail was getting all his info from CNN.

― mulla atari, Monday, 16 April 2007 03:01 (eighteen years ago)

i liked the symbolic re-tying of the knot at the end of this ep - she's a double-crosser!

-- Roz, Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:30 AM (9 hours ago)

Also, its one of the NUMBARZ:

http://lostpedia.com/images/thumb/d/dc/Juliets-8.jpg/800px-Juliets-8.jpg

xpost: that is a really great point.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 16 April 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

I sort of assumed that Claire's implant was surreptitiously implanted recently, not when she was kidnapped.

― jaymc, Monday, 16 April 2007 04:08 (eighteen years ago)

Did Juliet call Kate "Austin"?

― Maria :D, Monday, 16 April 2007 04:56 (eighteen years ago)

That's what I heard.

BTW, thanks for the re-caps way back when.

― Jesse, Monday, 16 April 2007 04:59 (eighteen years ago)

Alright, so what's the geographical distribution on the survivors of flight 815 or whatever? Do they have people representing different areas?

So Sun (or Jin, sorry I get the Korean names confused) is gonna die?

Ben said see you in a week. How many days in Lost time has it been already?

― Maria :D, Monday, 16 April 2007 05:45 (eighteen years ago)

Kate's last name is Austen.

It's been three days since Ben said "see you in a week."

― jaymc, Monday, 16 April 2007 05:48 (eighteen years ago)

Penny's people have been monitoring the location of the Hatch explosion, but since, as has been repeatedly pointed out on the show, communications were knocked out by the explosion, they haven't been picking anything up

my feeling would be that if the explosion changed anything, it made the island visible rather than stopped it being visible. this seems to be the way it happened too, after the explosion is the first time Penny's dudes saw any sign, and it's not like they just coincidentally picked up communications at that precise moment. it seems more like the explosion knocked out whatever was shrouding the island too. so maybe the losties will realise that if they can actually get some comms to work someone might actually hear them.

― Ronan, Monday, 16 April 2007 09:00 (eighteen years ago)

the pigeonz!

― chaki, Monday, 16 April 2007 09:24 (eighteen years ago)

seeing as planes have been able to at least crash if not land safely on the island in the past (always as a result of EM surge? not sure about how Yemi's plane got there, also the palette drop*...) you could assume that this can still be done now. could the island actually be seen from the air? did the pilot see it before then 815 crash etc.

*might be cool if it turns out this was provided by the Others, but if so this suggests they have access to aircraft which doesn't quite add up - but nor does them being unaware of it?

― blueski, Monday, 16 April 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

remember the real henry gale's balloon was widmore industries.

how does penny know what to look for?

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 16 April 2007 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

there are so many episodes i need to rewatch - the first Ben episode totally one of them.

― blueski, Monday, 16 April 2007 09:51 (eighteen years ago)

the whole hatch lockdown bit is probably quite important -- did ben know about all the weird uv stuff?

those box sets are looking v tempting.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 16 April 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

remind me why the blast door map wasn't just drawn using normal pens/paint?

― blueski, Monday, 16 April 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

Also I am started to get annoyed by not knowing WTF is going on with Locke.

― Matt DC, Monday, 16 April 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

remind me why the blast door map wasn't just drawn using normal pens/paint?

they had way too much time on their hands?

― abanana, Monday, 16 April 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

Radzinski or whatever his name was was probably into 'magick'.

― blueski, Monday, 16 April 2007 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

remind me why the blast door map wasn't just drawn using normal pens/paint?[i]

Razinsky (sp!?), Kelvin's original bunkmate in the Swan hatch, taught Kelvin how to fake the lockdowns, right? He did this and used the black light markings so that if they were being monitored, as he correctly suspected, nobody would know he was mapping the island.

[i]also the palette drop*. *might be cool if it turns out this was provided by the Others

It seems pretty clear at this point that the others were in control and knew about all the hatches EXCEPT the Swan hatch. My guess right now is that they were a.) pretty regularly monitoring it from the Pearl since the "purge" but b.) didn't include eradicating the Swan residents during the "purge" because c.) they didn't really know what the button did and didn't want to be in charge of it / didn't know what DHARMA had done to the electromagnetic anomaly. Right? But once the castaways took over the station part of Ben's deception, as "Henry", was to see if they had any idea what was going on in the hatch. (I think this is sort of spelled out when, as Henry, he's all "you guys really don't know much about what's going on, do you?"). How this relates to his lie to Locke about not pushing the button during the lockdown I've really no idea.

Lord but writing this all out kind of spells out how convoluted this show is and how deeply I've fallen for it all.

― Clay, Monday, 16 April 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

glowy ink, uv lights -- it's a nu-rave thing.

― Alan, Monday, 16 April 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

surely they knew about the Swan the whole time but were happy to let Kelvin and co. do their thing in it as this kept their own operations intact (Ben had experience with previous surges caused by Swan staff negligence perhaps?).

― blueski, Monday, 16 April 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

he does look pretty shocked when the sky goes purple.

― Ronan, Monday, 16 April 2007 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

you think? i thought he looked as if he'd dealt with it/similar before.

― blueski, Monday, 16 April 2007 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

and i think i read something to this effect but can't remember now (and don't wanna be too spoilery)

― blueski, Monday, 16 April 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i think ben looked like he knew the deal when the sky turned purple. almost like he expected it.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 16 April 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

that's what I thought too, that he had planted the idea in locke's head and was just waiting for it to bear out

but if he really didn't know what the button does, that's a pretty dangerous game

maybe he knew (via the monitoring) that Desmond didn't push it once and the world didn't end ... but they weren't counting on the failsafe key being used and messing up all their shit

― dmr, Monday, 16 April 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

Do you think Ben et al knew/know that Desmond's failure to button push caused the plane to crash? Juliet's comment "this place gives me the creeps" gave me the impression that she & Ben didn't actually go down in the Pearl station that often. Maybe Tom only really went down there for some voyeurist wanks.

One of those things I know will never happen but should: someone needs to dig through those notebooks full of observations on the hatch inhabitants.

― nickalicious, Monday, 16 April 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

is there an Others character that smokes? in the beginning of the Paolo/Nikki ep I thought they were going to reveal that Paolo had left those cigarette butts that were shown in an earlier ep, but then you see clearly that the butts were already down there when Paolo arrived to hide the statue.

Do you think Ben et al knew/know that Desmond's failure to button push caused the plane to crash?

not sure about that one

― dmr, Monday, 16 April 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

It wouldn't surprise me if the media were the ones digging around into backgrounds and Mikhail was getting all his info from CNN.

good call! Who have they divulged knowledge of so far? all the newsworthy 815'rs i bet: a surgeon, an iraqi, a fugitive. Maybe Sawyer's murder was uncovered by the press as well. Not sure what makes Locke newsworthy(maybe his dad hit the headlines, or his exwife sold his life story to the tabloids (or his dad did for ca$h money))

― Slumpman, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

and "The Good Ones" on the lists might just be the survivors that cropped up on the News that day, Other guys running off undercover to see which ones were still living/

― Slumpman, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

hey what are the odds that Locke's dad was on 815 and was one of the original Tailies the Others took?

― Roz, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

or is that way too much of a coincidence, even on LOST?

― Roz, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

Given the funds that seemed available to that group that hired Juliette, it's very reasonable to believe that they could gain access to detailed info re: all of the plane people.

I think that Ben did something to fuck with Desmond to make him crash that plane so that he'd get a surgeon but maybe I'm crazy

― Will M., Monday, 16 April 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

"hey what are the odds that Locke's dad was on 815 and was one of the original Tailies the Others took?

-- Roz, Monday, April 16, 2007 10:14 PM (17 minutes ago)"

locke is dense but he might have noticed this?

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

"I think that Ben did something to fuck with Desmond to make him crash that plane so that he'd get a surgeon but maybe I'm crazy

-- Will M., Monday, April 16, 2007 10:28 PM (4 minutes ago)"

unless ben knew something and was acting in front of juliette, he doesn't seem to have known the plane would come down or who would be on it.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

he is known to act really well, and is good at mind games or whatever, and seemed VERY organized when he started putting people together to infiltrate survivors etc and personally i wouldn't have even assumed there WERE survivors but the first half of that is based on things juliette said to survivors and the other half is pure speculation. but this is lost, s o i am supposed to speculate, amirite?

― Will M., Monday, 16 April 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

Locke was in the mid-section, the tailies were at the back, landed on the other side of the island... maybe he got on early, Locke needn't have met him for him to be on the plane.

I was just wondering anyway, other than magic-box type explanations. xposts

― Roz, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

It makes a lot more sense than "the box is magic" and the magic thing would be a good way to manipulate Locke, so there's that. In fact I kind of hope you're right.

― Will M., Monday, 16 April 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

NEXT WEEK ON LOST:

ben gives locke some magic beans

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

locke plants them, beanstalk grows to the giant's cloud, locke finds c4 and explodes it so nobody can leave the magic island

― Will M., Monday, 16 April 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

Twist: The giant was normal sized but everyone on the island is tiny and the island is only a metre wide!

― Slumpman, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

the beans will have tiny dharma logos

― dmr, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

Giant = Jacob, obv.

― jaymc, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

real-sawyer-locke-dad was carrying the stolen money in an Oceanic bag that one ep. and they kept blatantly showing planes going over locke's head at the motel in a really foreshadowy kinda way. (altho they were more likely just foreshadowing lock's own plane ride)

― dmr, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

hey what are the odds that Locke's dad was on 815 and was one of the original Tailies the Others took?

-- Roz, Monday, April 16, 2007 9:14 AM (2 hours ago)

i really like this idea.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

also, i was really hoping we'd see another side of the bob dylan style "kill ben" cue cards scene in Juliet's flashback.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

is there an Others character that smokes?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/rankingmonkey/ilx/CSM.jpg

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

Giant = Jacob, obv.

with four toes?

― Roz, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 04:08 (eighteen years ago)

I saw John Locke in the X-Files last night. It was really funny, he looked very unlike what he does now, but his voice was exactly the same.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 08:46 (eighteen years ago)

I couldn't help but wonder about cargo cults, thinking back to the stuff falling out of the sky. not directly related, but interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

will we ever see natives? or, y'know, more native than ben

― jergïns, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

The man Ford did kill thinking he was Original Sawyer...what did he say again? that he'd replaced Cooper on the shrimp stall? was Cooper actually supposed to have been working on that stall at all or was it a COMPLETE red herring? It would at least mean Cooper was in Sydney and so could've been in the 815 tail (sitting next to Jack's Dad obv.).

we need to see Locke's Mom again - she had all these weird ideas about him.

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

perhaps during the summer break there needs to be a 'rewatching L O S T' thread.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

i bet we'd notice new stuff.

actually, that reminds me: damon said on some podcast a while ago that there was a clue in the first episode that no one ever caught. i wonder what it was...

― jergïns, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

SMOKEMONSTER BLEW UP TURBINE, NEVER 4GET

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

i always thought the dog (i call him bouncer) was already on the island, thought it was off jack was so far inland. i'm sure there's loads of stuff.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

~~off~~ odd

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

The man Ford did kill thinking he was Original Sawyer...what did he say again?

He said something like "I would've paid him back" meaning ~~Doggett~~ Hibbs basically tricked James into pulling a hit on a guy who owed him money. Then ~~Meredith Grey's Dad~~ Shrimp Shack Guy said "it'll come back around" (which James/Sawyer later heard amidst the whispers on the island).

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

so there was no connection at all and Cooper could've been in the US/Mexico the whole time.

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

I just watched the first five or so episodes of season one

in one of the episodes where the dog is still missing, it's pouring out and Michael says to Walt "I'll look for your dog as soon as it stops raining" -- rain stops immediately. It's played as a sight gag but me and my wife were like "lol Walt totally did that with his MIND"

― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

also this very early scene seemed key

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ro/thumb/9/9e/Pilot2backgammon.jpg/200px-Pilot2backgammon.jpg

"Two opposing sides. Black. White. Good. Bad."

― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

I was hoping for some clues from when Locke first saw the monster but didn't really get much. he tells Jack, "I have looked into the eye of this island, and what I saw .... was beautiful."

― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

We are rewatching it now, did 1-4 of first season last night. Lots of stuff I forgot about.

(oh and he says "dark and light" in that scene. Don't remember if he actually said "good and bad")

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

Locke looked into the eye of this island and saw his own face staring back at him.

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

CYDONIA

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

Don't remember if he actually said "good and bad"

you're right, doesn't make sense that either him or Walt would have to be the "bad guy" in the game

― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

oh and those things in adam and eve's pockets.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

actually, that reminds me: damon said on some podcast a while ago that there was a clue in the first episode that no one ever caught. i wonder what it was...

new podcast denies this

― abanana, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

60 hours of tv in and the Walt/Locke backgammon scene still one of my favorites. Miss Walt.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

have we talked about the symbol on the tree, used to mark the spot where the drugs were hidden for Juliet

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/Rh27YAPyi5I/AAAAAAAAD3s/qjPLST9xSkQ/s1600-h/mark3.jpg

according to lost easter eggs it's associated with a famous UFO hoax from the '60s called Ummo

also similar to what was branded on juliet's back

― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/04/tree-marking.html

― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

crap, i knew that looked familiar. i was thinking astrology, not crazy spanish-language UFO weirdness.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

it's more interesting that it's like her brand. the other thing could be coincidence.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

yeah I noticed that was her brand. Does that mean the beach was tagged as an outcast repository or something?

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

how did that Isobel woman get on the (2nd) island again? is she based on the main island but separate from Ben and co.?

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

Does that mean the beach was tagged as an outcast repository or something?

another possibility is that the brand doesn't mean she's cast out, but maybe cast farther in (to some alien inner circle or whatever)

― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

top GIS for Ummo

http://www.isolachenonce-online.it/et/immagini/foto/et3/ummo%20ris.jpg

― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

not that it necessarily means anything

but it's interesting

― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

hmmm, according to podcast:

Basically the Others did not know of the Swan Station until after Oceanic 815 crashed and Locke found it. The writers also imply that Locke led them to the Pearl station, where they monitored the Swan. Kelvin and Desmond were part of the Dharma Initiative. (Remember, Desmond referred to the Other's as Hostiles). Also what is interesting is that everything Mikhail said is true, except that he was never part of Dharma.

so Radzinski (Dharma) had kept it a secret and avoided going outside in case he was seen by 'hostiles' (Others), commited to altering the Valenzetti thingy. Kelvin (how did he arrive on island again?) joined him and then roped in Desmond who somehow managed to breach whatever it is that keeps the island otherwise hidden from view in his boat. argh gotta watch s2 finale again!

makes some kind of sense tho - Ben looked genuinely surprised and concerned when Locke told him about the button...he must've lied and typed in the numbers tho he told Locke he hadn't iirc

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

also would still be interesting to see how Ben reasons to his friends/colleagues that not punishing Locke for blowing up the sub was not a sign of weakness by him.

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

"Light-dark" = "Smokemonster-Blindinglightmonster"?

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

my head hurts.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

roll on THE GAME-CHANGER wherein all will be revealed

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

Don't remember if he actually said "good and bad"

you're right, doesn't make sense that either him or Walt would have to be the "bad guy" in the game

when i first watched this i thought the obvious: "oh god you're not going to make this about race, are you?" at the time i guessed locke might be racist, and that was going to be some boring-assed plotline.

― jergïns, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

Okay the timeline of Others discovering the Swan & Pearl via Locke makes lots of sense now, and implies they would have no knowledge of Desmond or his arrival on the island OR his boat (Ben's genuine surprise "how'd they get a sailboat!?"). Also maybe the quarantine thing was to keep any Swan workers from going out onto the surface where they might be discovered by the Hostiles, and possibly the "incident" referred to in the Swan Orientation video is the same thing Mikhail referred to as the "purge".

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

"Light-dark" = "Smokemonster-Blindinglightmonster"?

Oh yeah this is exactly what I've been thinking since Locke & Eko's conversation about Smokey, I would say OTM/8080 but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

Steve, what podcast is that from? I don't remember that. It's not in the new one.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

hang on how did the others find the pearl only via locke? they were there before him, when paolo went in.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

haha okay so I thought the TIMELINE on lostpedia would correct the whole Pearl/Locke/Paulo fiasco, but it doesn't, someone is wrong about something.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

My roommate had this theory about Nikki & Paulo the other day based on the "production error" where Paulo is reading a newspaper dated Sep 24 2004 in the airport precrash and that Nikki & Paulo were actually NOT supposed to be on the island and that they might not exactly have existed entirely on this plane, thus all their timeline discrepancies (his argument was that there were so many that it had to have been blatant and intentional).

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

haha "existed entirely on this plain (as in "of existence"). Or is that spelled "plane"?

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

it's plane yup. it's a metaphor. but it actually happened.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

Has the Nikki&Paolo swapped for Rose&Bernard on Purple Sky Day been mooted here yet?

― onimo, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, in Expose you get a brief glimpse of Rose on the beach with Boone all "omg I will give you tracheotomy!".

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yes, Boone asked Nikki for a pen didn't he?

― onimo, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

Recent podcast summary from lostpedia:

Did we all miss something major in the Pilot episode? Any mystery, or clue?

No. We know almost all of the answers to the mysteries proposed: Sawyer's letter, What Kate Did, the Monster, Locke's secret, the French transmission, the polar bears, to some degree. The only thing that hasn't been solved, really, is Charlie's line: "Guys, where are we?"

My initial reaction to this is that its kind of bullshit, but I havent watched the pilot in over a year.

Also on this podcast:

Carlton hints that we may see the story of the DHARMA Initiative "in their heydey", discovering the Monster, and repelling it with the fence.
He specifically hints that there will be a DHARMA Initiative flashback in the third season. It possible deals with them repelling the monster.

Also, I caught a TV ad for tomorrow's episopde that had a few seconds of audio that sounded like a helicopter in it. ?????

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I saw (heard) that too!

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

WRT the symbol on the tree, this makes a lot more sense than any UFO cult theories:

http://lostpedia.com/images/thumb/7/77/Zhe.png/120px-Zhe.png

The cyrillic letter shown on the tree ( Ж ) is equivalent to the sound of zh (like the s in "pleasure") in Russian and other slavic languages. Some languages that use the Latin alphabet have the direct equivalent to that sound in the letter J, which would make it suspiciously related to the name of Juliet.

The figure of the tree strongly resembles the depiction of "The Tree of Life" present in many cultures and religions. If this depiction is also intended on Lost, it must be noted that the word for life in Russian, ЖИЗНЬ (which is pronounced as [zhizn'] and starts with that same letter), is the same word for "vital spark", "existence", "time" and "this world". This could be a stretch, but there may be correlation between the language of Mikhail, the medicine flasks and recurring themes on Lost, like time and the Island being a world aside.

The symbol on the tree has a horizontal line through the middle that the cyrillic letter does not have. They are similar, but not the same.
This is also similar to the mark on the back of Juliet which was put there after her murder of Pickett.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

ЖИЗН&#1068 = russian characters nu-code doesnt like

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 19:58 (eighteen years ago)

"Has the Nikki&Paolo swapped for Rose&Bernard on Purple Sky Day been mooted here yet?

-- onimo, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 18:03 (1 hour ago)
Yeah, in Expose you get a brief glimpse of Rose on the beach with Boone all "omg I will give you tracheotomy!".

-- nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 18:06 (1 hour ago)
Oh yes, Boone asked Nikki for a pen didn't he?

-- onimo, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 18:14 (1 hour ago)"

wotwotwot?

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

Some people noticed that Rose & Bernard hadn't featured at all in this season while two new characters suddenly appeared. There was specualtion that Desmond's wee jaunt through time had changed history somehow and P&N had taken R&B's place on the flight.

Boone looking for pen for Rose tracheotomy in P&N flashback ep means that this theory = bunk and it's probably something to do with R&B actors having other commitments.

― onimo, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

(Rose being rhythm and Bernard being blues)

― onimo, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

Yes. Lindelof and Cuse said on the podcast a few weeks ago that Rose and Bernard will be back sometime before the end of this season.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

the DHARMA Initiative "in their heydey", discovering the Monster, and repelling it with the fence.

OK major WOAH because i assumed the smokemonster was something Dharma created (to repel Ben and co!) themselves.

The idea that smokemonster predates both them and Ben is mind boggling.

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

when it comes to smokemonster's possible origins

being part of the island's mythology that pre-dates DHARMA >>>>>>>> being invented/contolled by DHARMA/Others

IMHO.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

It lends more to the whole "the island is magic" thing-- unless you assumed dharma was also the reason cancer went into remission/babies are unbornable? YES UNBORNABLE?

― Will M., Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

This makes Magnus Hanso/Black Rock crew flashback in which smokemonster whips their entire ship up and plants it in the jungle urgent and key.

― blueski, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

There is a theory out there that the word Cherebus, which appears on the blast door map, is referring to a mythological three-headed creature said to have been the guard dog to the lower world, or the world of the dead. Cherebus allowed new spirits to enter the realm of dead, but allowed none of them to leave.

Some people have noticed that the monster's behavior in the Kate/Juliet/invisible fence scene seem to suggest that it has three heads.

That scene transposed with Cherebus drawings:

http://lostpedia.com/images/9/98/Cersmoke.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

i'd mostly assumed the smokemonster was not man-made

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

isn't it cerberus sometimes? I would also venture that this isn't the first time it's appeared as if it had 3 heads. can anyone confirm?

Surely I'm not the only one who is SO PSYCHED for Rose and Bernard's return. I LOVE NOTHING EPISODES!

― Ronan, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

When Eko faced it down I think it had one, um, pseudopod all up in his grill.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

In one episode it resembled that birthmark on Gorbachev's head.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

when eko saw it up close it had all sorts of shit it in.

― chaki, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

yeah I remember some weirdness in that episode.

what is interesting is how he managed to stare it down on that occasion.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

it had flashes of eko's flashback from africa in it.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

also worth noting, it did try and pull Locke into the ground that time.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

re: Nikki/Paolo continuity errors--in Entertainment Weekly Lost producer claims that the N/E story was supposed to play out in a multi-episode arc,
including a flashback ep. devoted to Nikki's TV show, but that fan hatred caused them to collapse the story into one episode. The hastiness could have caused the screw-ups.

re: Backgammon scene--I wonder if the dark/light thing has anything to do with Jacob's dividing up of the Losties into good/bad. This would mean, at least symbolically, that there are two groups within the larger group playing against one another, the sides controlled by ??? (Jacob? The Island? Locke? Walt?) I'm trying to figure out if the upcoming camp split comes down along Jacob's list lines.

― mulla atari, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

the backgammon pieces are also very similar to the stones found in (skeleton) Adam's pocket, around the same time as the backgammon scene.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

how can the smokemonster not be man-made when it emits man-made sounds (the winch effect, metals etc.)?

perhaps it just reflects the sounds of fear in the minds of the people it targets. everybody fears tyrannosaurus rex, the bronx (rose) and being winched away into oblivion after all.

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

i think its pretty likely that if it can "read" people, it can read what will frighten them. if it can appear as a specific human or animal, it can sound like something specific.

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

The idea that smokemonster predates both them and Ben is mind boggling.

otm

my favorite unresolved line from the pilot, and i fear i mentioned this on a thread somewhere but can't find it, is, (paraphrasing):

smokey makes noise in the woods for the first time.
rose: that noise, it reminds me of something.
someone else: where you from?
rose: queens new york

wtf? what in queens sounds like smokey?

― jergïns, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 08:48 (eighteen years ago)

I am fairly sure the Smokemonster is not man-made.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 08:55 (eighteen years ago)

they've already denied it's nano-technology anyway but it's interesting that people would think it more likely to be a natural (or alien) force rather than a man-made one.

if it is 'natural' why does it have the limitations it does? (unable to overcome certain heights, repelled by intense sonic waves etc.)

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:39 (eighteen years ago)

bigger question, why couldn't it just fly over the sonic wall?

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

OR SMASH A TREE AND PUT THAT IN THE MIDDLE.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

we've seen it appear at heights taller than the top of the sonic wall before so it does seem stupid.

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

pretty sure the highest we saw it was when it picked up eko.

― chaki, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, plus they seem to have abandoned the idea of it being a "monster" now that it suits them. ie it doesn't smash down the trees and stuff anymore really.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe it hit the sonic ceiling as well?

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

could it have gone under the wall even? and as I said, can we assume it comes from the ground since it opened that gigantic hole and tried to pull locke down?

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

wtf? what in queens sounds like smokey?

taxi receipt printer.
chickadechick, chickadechick.

― g-kit, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

xpxpxpxp: was gonna say that some part of it always seems to be touching the ground. also, maybe it isn't that bright and hasn't figured out how to make a meatwad-style meat bridge.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

also, i always figured maybe the sound was chameleonic and based on stuff from each individual's memories/minds just like the images eko saw in it. why not?

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

does it sleep? what does it eat? what are its interests?

is it this week there's talk of a new character who lives underground and is not an other/lostie. could she be the smokey operator?

does anyone else feel maybe it is attracted by tension or something. like when Nikki and Paolo were fighting it was heard in the distance. And similarly when Kate and Juliet were fighting.

x-post, it seems to make the same sound every time doesn't it?

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, new character this week. Not an Other? Not Dharma? Underground overground wombling free...

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

Member of Rousseau's crew? Black Rock descendant? Builder of that big statue foot? The person Penny Widmore's people have been looking for all that time?

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

so tonight is Desmond flashback and desmond leading charlie and others into jungle. next week gets on to Sun/Jin 'preggers'ness - but also aren't we due to see the others and LOCKE about then too? plz

― Alan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

i saw the clip where Jin is telling Hurley and Charlie ghost-stories in Korean LOLZ

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:35 (eighteen years ago)

wtf? what in queens sounds like smokey?

the elevated train lines.

― cutty, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

didn't she say 'the bronx'? ah who cares

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe smokey has to keep one end on or near the ground. Maybe it's like a cobra.

― Beth Parker, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

YES EXACTLY

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

i dunno, didn't seem to be a problem when it was murderising Eko. or when it blew up the plane turbine (stop denying it, creators!).

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

re sound. i think the "taxi receipt printer" is the official answer

― Alan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

― g-kit, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

taxi receipt = 3rd scariest sound in the world after T Rex and general clanking

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

you guys are blowing my mind. I'm such a low-level lost fan.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

i dunno, didn't seem to be a problem when it was murderising Eko. or when it blew up the plane turbine (stop denying it, creators!).

i really need to see the eko scene again. i don't really recall it flying up into the air with no contact with the ground.

(the "NO, IT WASN'T THE SMOKE MONSTER BLOWING UP THE ENGINE" thing so BS on the writers' part.)

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

The Smokemonster has never gone on the beach before though,

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

i would like to see smokemonster on the water, purple fire in the sky

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

i don't really recall it flying up into the air with no contact with the ground.

basically the shot panned out so you could see a really big cloud emerge in almost fist-like form but it was the biggest formation of smoke we've seen in the show before (the level at which Locke looks up in 'Walkabout' suggests it was big then too) i think, still hovering a few feet above the ground but much taller than say...the height of the sonic fence.

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

i dunno we bother really. they won't explain anything more about it until next season probably.

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

spiddlydeet spiddlydeet spiddlydeet
KUCHAAAAAAAAAAAUUU
gurgleburglegurgleburglegurgleburgle
clickaclackaclickaclackaclickaclackaclickaclacka
BRAWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

fan hatred caused them to collapse the story into one episode.

lost fans otm.

― dmr, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry to post, but I NEED to say that BRAWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO is my favourite smokey sound effect, it gives me butterflies in my tummy. Now I go again.

― g-kit, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

Eko vs Smokey Round 1 - you can totally hear the clickaclicka receipt machine here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp6R2U7AwYI

Eko vs Smokey Round 2 - BRAWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXHfHZZMxYw

It goes really high but it's hard to tell if it ever completely leaves the ground. It's certainly big enough for it to stretch over the sonic jizzmouth field to grab Kate/Juliet.

― onimo, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

I miss Mr Eko :(

― onimo, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

smokemonster greatest hits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNPXsOUo0HQ

(no smokemonster sounds; music video)

latest podcast discussion of smokemonster:

[quoute]Why wasn't the Monster able to hop the fence?

-Smoke Monsters can't jump.
-The Sonic Barrier was built by the Dharma Initiative, and was discovered to repel it.
-The Monster was "taking pictures" of Juliet and Mr. Eko; it can get vertical (see: Mr. Eko's death), but can't detach itself completely from the ground, and might need a hole to go under it.
[/quote]

do yourself a favor: give the creators a bit of license and suspend your disbelief a bit and it will be more fun for all of us.

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

they get a lot more than a bit

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

do yourself a favor: give the creators a bit of license and suspend your disbelief a bit and it will be more fun for all of us.

Pointless pretend logical speculation about made up creatures/machines is part of the fun!

― onimo, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

i agree, but its not dungeons and dragons.

in related news, LOST VIDEOGAME COMING SOON !

(i think i just heard a few blood vessels in nicka's head pop).

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 20:06 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha

Press A rapidly to flee smokemonster. Press B to arm fence.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

press X to elope with sexy Other

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

up up square-tom makes inappropriately timed wisecrack

― Ronan, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

press x repeatedly to introduce new character, new mystery and send back your player to level one

― cutty, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

GAME OVER BROTHER

― blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

ha! reminds me: we died eggs at easter. the paas dying kits come with stickers for your eggs. one said "happy easter brother," so i naturally wore it and said it in my best desmond voice all day.

― andrew m., Wednesday, 18 April 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

You can skip this episode ("Catch 22") and read a paragraph summary instead.

― abanana, Thursday, 19 April 2007 02:32 (eighteen years ago)

No don't do that, this episode rules!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

I liked this one a lot!
xpost!

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

i knew it wasn't her--the picture was just so whoever was dropping in could recognize desmond

― cutty, Thursday, 19 April 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

so many missed opportunities with this one. lousy flashback (did we really need to know why he says "brother" a lot?). lame vision -- and why would it matter if charlie went along? why does he assume it's penny? the SOS sign seen in the promo was MIA.

I did like seeing Charlie die repeatedly. it would have been better if the arrow ended up hitting hurley or jin.

― abanana, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:12 (eighteen years ago)

the catch 22: iphones are cool but have a short battery life

― abanana, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:12 (eighteen years ago)

lmao my friend made an iphone crack too.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:17 (eighteen years ago)

I liked it because I like Desmond.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:17 (eighteen years ago)

woah:

http://lostpedia.com/images/7/76/3x17_Ms_Hawking_Picture.jpg

It might not have been a very crazy interesting episode in terms of mysteries and shit, but I thought it was a neat look into Desmond's mind and behavior.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:20 (eighteen years ago)

haha I loved when Sawyer said something to Jack re: pingpong something like "gotta play every 108 minutes or the island will explode".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:31 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, THAT'S what he said!

I rly liked this one, tho the fact that one of my fave comic bros co-wrote (BKV!) might've had something to do w/ it. But the camping stuff was fun, the quotidian camp stuff was fun, and there was more to the flashback than just Why Des Says Brother. Like the Abraham parallel (BKV!) & how he met Penny! AND THE PICTURE!

― David R., Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)

"gotta play every 108 minutes or the island will explode"

actually my favorite was "sorry to interrupt, you guys arguin' about who's yer favorite Other?"

― dmr, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)

so is the woman in the monk photo the one who appeared in desmond's vision to sell him the ring?

i knew it wasn't her--the picture was just so whoever was dropping in could recognize desmond

I kinda thought he made it not be her by rescuing charlie

― dmr, Thursday, 19 April 2007 04:56 (eighteen years ago)

so is the woman in the monk photo the one who appeared in desmond's vision to sell him the ring?

YES. There is no question about this.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 05:08 (eighteen years ago)

Although the photo of them together is incredibly photoshopped-looking.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 05:08 (eighteen years ago)

ha i noticed horrible photoshop but did not notice ringwoman

― cutty, Thursday, 19 April 2007 05:24 (eighteen years ago)

I kinda thought he made it not be her by rescuing charlie

you think that rich woman, penny widmore, is going to be parachuting off of a fricken helicopter in to cerebrus's lair? nawwww

― cutty, Thursday, 19 April 2007 05:25 (eighteen years ago)

OH NO SPOILERS

.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/userpics/10095/normal_Apr_18-Channel_7_%2810_12_pm%29.jpg
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/userpics/10095/normal_Apr_18-Channel_7_%2810_36_pm%29_004.jpg
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/userpics/10095/normal_Apr_18-Channel_7_%2810_20_pm%29_004.jpg
GUYS IS THAT LAST THING A LORD O THEE RINGS REFERENCE!?!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 05:41 (eighteen years ago)

So this whole "HEY GUYS IS CHARLIE GONNA DIE??????????" thing as a major plot driver every couple of episodes is destroying my will to live.

― Clay, Thursday, 19 April 2007 06:53 (eighteen years ago)

OMG GUYS WHAT IF CHARLIE DIES?????????

― Clay, Thursday, 19 April 2007 06:53 (eighteen years ago)

I don't really know about this episode, though. The on-island stuff was paced pretty shoddily and they lost all the tension about Juliet-on-the-Beach pretty quick. I guess she's Under Jack's Protection which, you know, defused any tension regarding Sawyer and Sayid's seeing through her ruse. Desmond is always so charming in his flashbacks, though. It's a draw.

― Clay, Thursday, 19 April 2007 06:58 (eighteen years ago)

The new mystery-- who was behind the terrible photoshop job? Jacob?

― mulla atari, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

The weird changing of the sound of the helicopter is kinda confirmation that time moves slower (or would that be faster?) on the island, yes? Not that we need much of that at this point.

I guess BKV was behind the Superman-Flash footrace chat.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

Juliet settling in comfortably now will make the ultimate betrayal when Ben's plan hatches even worse. AND highlight Jack's witting/unwitting collusion, the chump. A tribunal should decide his punishment. We haven't had any beach tribunals. High time.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

So did brunette stranger come alone in the helicopter, bail out and let it crash? Or is some hapless pilot going glug glug glug?

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

the weird changing sound of the helicopter was engine failure (xxpost)

penny would have parachuted into cerberus' lair FOR LUV

defused any tension regarding Sawyer

except, like, Kate / Jack / Sawyer / Juliet sexual tension

― dmr, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

I knew it wasn't her because why the hell would she be reading Catch-22 in Portuguese?

I didn't think much of the ep generally but I liked it because there were so many great lines! I rofl'd lots.

Glad to know Bernard's still around too and hasn't been Paolo-fied.

― Roz, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

I don't get Kate. Sawyer is a bozo, but given a choice I would leap into his tent to avoid Bobblehead.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

Does Bernard like Phil Collins? He has two ears and a heart.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

But maybe all that bobbling makes for great head.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

Kate and Jack are both idiots. They deserve each other.

― Roz, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

When Juliet finally gets caught in whatever game of deception she is playing at they are going to totally crucify Jack, hopefully literally.

Oh shit guys guess what - they have a fucking satelite phone now! Sayid can totally rig that shit up to run on coconut power.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

So does that make Jack Gilligan or The Skipper?

― David R., Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

Jack is Mary Ann.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

Sawyer is Ginger.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

i thought hurley & sawyer were adorable-funny last nite.

hurley with the "for charity" and "is this future crap?".
sawyer with the "mix tape".

reminds me of a nation of ulysses lyric "90 minutes time is all i need to make you mind".

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

*mine

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

Although the photo of them together is incredibly photoshopped-looking.

-- nickalicious, Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:08 AM (9 hours ago)

They took it in front of a fake backdrop, remember?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

haha I meant the photo of the monk & the jewelry store timecop lady from his weird timewarp episode on the monk's desk.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

okay I totally missed that . . .so the jewelry store lady was in a photo with the monk?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

I can't believe no one has mentioned the best part of this episode: JIN TELLING GHOST STORIES!

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

haha yeah.. KOREAN HORROR! We need more of that shit.

― Roz, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

When Jin finished his story I swear Hurley said something like "I liked the part with the bird...you did say bird, right?".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

I really want to know why they all agreed to go camping. That's what they do everyday!

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

"have you heard the one about the chupacabra?"

so the jewelry store lady was in a photo with the monk?

jessie posted it upthread

― dmr, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

yeah he did say that, that was great. I like that they've been learning some Korean, while Jin picks up English. xposts

― Roz, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

also, that Sawyer can beat Jack at pingpong because of all the times he played with Hurley.

― Roz, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

We also learned that Jack cheats when he pays pingpong. That serve while Sawyer was talking = cheapo tactics

― Jibe, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

He learned that from the Others.

― David R., Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

The monk/timelady photoshop is incredibly obvious, but so are 90% of all photos featuring two characters together on any show or in any movie ever. It has become my hobby to notice this. Apparently we could all be making big bucks doing better picture photoshops for Hollywood.

While I am not a massively huge BKV fan, the dialog in this episode was waaaaaaay better than it has been in a while, and I think I should probably grudgingly attribute it to him. "We have to play every 108 minutes or the island will explode" might be the best line of the season.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

That line and the "talking about who your favorite other is" are amongst the best of this show.

― Jibe, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

it would probably only be topped by an actual argument about who everyone's favorite Other is.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

I heart Sawyer.

I hope the smoke monster gets Jack. And then spits him back out.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

Jack is at his best when playing opposite Sawyer. They have some of the greatest scenes together.

I vaguely recall Hurley's lying to Jack at the beginning being hilariously unconvincing.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

we're hanging out ... cuz ... we're friends

― andrew m., Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

nicka otm re: Jack and Sawyer. Their banter in this episode reminded me why sometimes I don't hate Jack with every cell of my being.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

"i've taped my fair share of ankles" was a nice ref to how Jack and Desmond first met.

― Roz, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

i liked how sawyer was one step ahead of kate's ridiculous antics

― cutty, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

yeah seriously, 'cause otherwise he'd be one dumb motherfucker.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

"No, wait - she's crying because SHE WANTS ME!"

― David R., Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i also like how her crying did not deter him in the least from banging her

― cutty, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

But that's because he KNEW it would do her a world of good and stop her from crying. It was for HER own good he did it, he usually doesn't do that to crying girls. He is a sensitive man and he sensed what she needed/wanted!!

― Jibe, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

(xpost) haha I know

"you don't gotta use me, freckles, all you gotta do is ask" !

― dmr, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

kate sucks

― cutty, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

I would welcome Sawyer's attempts to stop my crying.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

So hey, question for our Scottish friends: are there actually ANY vineyards in Scotland? I've never been there personally so this may be one of those Jane you ignorant slut situations but as far as I know Scotland doesn't exactly have the most grape-friendly climate.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

great, great lines in this episode. ping pong every 108 mins, mixtape, korean ghost stories. all very roffley.

i was very proud of myslef for IDing jewelry shop lady while watching it the first time.

i'm not positive that Charlie living made the parachuter NOT penny. He never saw penny in his visions, just the picture of he and penny.

refresh my memory - what do we know about the cable going into the ocean?

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 19 April 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

emma was getting very angry at the fake scotland. NO there are no scottish trappist-like monestaries with extensive vineyards in scotland. i'd doubt any vineyards in scotland. certainly not near an estate containing a woman with an unconvincing scottish accent.

cf lobster on the pier

― Alan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

OMG maybe this was set in the 12th century!

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/07/medieval-warmth-and-english-wine/

Of the Domesday vineyards, all appear to lie below a line from Ely (Cambridgeshire) to Gloucestershire. Since the Book covers all of England up to the river Tees (north of Yorkshire), there is therefore reason to think that there weren't many vineyards north of that line. Lamb reports two vineyards to the north (Lincoln and Leeds, Yorkshire) at some point between 1000 and 1300 AD, and Selley even reports a Scottish vineyard operating in the 12th Century.

wow, even reports one in scotland eh. that's crazy.

― Alan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

refresh my memory - what do we know about the cable going into the ocean?

if you trust mikhail, it leads to the sonar beacon

― never acid again, Thursday, 19 April 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

Jessie Monster said: The monk/timelady photoshop is incredibly obvious...

Damnit, I was so proud of myself catching this and pressing pause, and figuring it out!

Great episode though, the mixtape, the descend into the jungle (didn't care much for Desmond's flashbacks this time).

Another thing, which may be entirely unimportant or trivial, but: the red light that flashes in the dark skies (of which we later learn is the light attached to parachute-woman), flashes *seven times* in every Desmond flashback/futureback.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)

Also, way way up thread:

i dunno we bother really. they won't explain anything more about it until next season probably.

-- blueski, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 16:49

This is an interesting thing though, innit. Say we are beyond half of the series total, or maybe at two third... will the show actually give answers to every sodding detail we notice? Will there be full closure once it's done? Isn't that a too big of a job for the writers, to tie every knot together? Will they distract us at some point with a major 'game changer'? Of will the pull it off? Will it lead to one explanation in the end?

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:42 (eighteen years ago)

You know now that I think about it they could leave big questions totally unanswered and I'll probably be okay with it. In Twin Peaks we never exactly found out WTF Bob was but man he sure was fun to watch on tv. Substitute "smokemonster" for Bob and I think the same applies (personally, at least).

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

True. DAMN good coffee will always be DAMN good coffee.
But still, Twin Peaks never 'promised' as much as Lost does, with their podcasts, interwebs-things, everything-is-connected approach. That has to lead up to, at least, a decent disclosure, doesn't it?
I sometimes get the feeling they pile up too many riddles, riddles the creators can't even solve. If that's a problem or not, is another thing though.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 19 April 2007 23:05 (eighteen years ago)

I just realized that was kind of a shit example as they did sort of explain what Bob was.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 19 April 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

this ep was pretty crap. it had filler written all over it even when reading the previews.

― Ronan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

this was a really good ep! lotsa lols. flashbacks pony as ever but quite short. scottish vineyard my arse.

is a bit wack we haven't seen the others and locke for so long now.

"you think that rich woman, penny widmore, is going to be parachuting off of a fricken helicopter in to cerebrus's lair? nawwww

-- cutty, Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:25 AM (Yesterday)"

yeah otm. for a moment i thought maybe it would be penny but ZOMG 100 YEARS OLDER/YOUNGER.

sat phone bust: "shocker" was nice.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

Penny Widmore also hot.

I liked some of the funny moments in this but I hate these episodes where nothing happens in the general scheme of things.

― Ronan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

nothing happens except A HELLACOPTER ARRIVES?

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)

this shot
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/userpics/10095/normal_Apr_18-Channel_7_%2810_36_pm%29_004.jpg

instantly mde me think of this
http://www.leahfaust.com/images/4_08_05.jpg

omg ISLAND LIFE

also the Superman/Flash thing - a Simpsons reference? from the monorail episode:

kid 1 "can it outrun the flash?"
lyles lanly "you bet"
kid 2 "can superman outrun the flash?"
lyles "er..sure why not.."

which doesn't mean anything...unless there's a monorail on the island (pleeease make it so)

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:25 (eighteen years ago)

i guess as far as desmond will be concerned he will think that saving charlie's life made the woman not penny

v excited that she knows who he is tho

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:27 (eighteen years ago)

many of us remember when Celtic won THE CUP

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

yes, see if winning the cup is des' most cherished memory then we can safely deduce he's been away since rangers were winning 9 in a row; along with the not-at-all-stupid helicopter sound theory above, this proves that time on the island is indeed slower. one might also note that the current celtic squad has no players with the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, apart from evander sno and thomas gravesen - evan and tom being prominent members of the others of course. finally the flowing locked portuguese parachutist is in fact jorge cadete.

― r|t|c, Friday, 20 April 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

so the new chick will either

a. explain what's been happening in the outside world, clearing up lots of not-very-interesting mystery, and also telling them where the fuck they are

or

b. get amnesia and/or run off and/or die

― abanana, Friday, 20 April 2007 03:52 (eighteen years ago)

roomie and I were both hoping the satellite phone would stay on long enough for some weirdo coordinates to pop up. "what...??? according to this we're on the south pole!!!"

― jessie monster, Friday, 20 April 2007 04:08 (eighteen years ago)

oh right

-she speaks portugese! like them dudes in the arctic monitoring station
-helicopters have quite a short range, no?
-but she was wearing like a fighter pilot-type outfit. a high-altitude helicopter?
-blades slowing down? i'm more like: FORCEFIELD or sonic death weapon killed the chopper's engine or something

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 20 April 2007 06:48 (eighteen years ago)

somebody, i think charlie: "helicopters don't have ejections seats." but then this one did?

and yeah, what kind of range does a helicopter have, a couple hundred miles, at most? is the widmore superyacht anchored not far off?

― jergïns, Friday, 20 April 2007 08:41 (eighteen years ago)

was the Superman/Flash argument an allegory for something? Planes Vs Smokey? Side partings?

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 08:45 (eighteen years ago)

from http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

This is the actual holding of the parachute by Jin, Charlie and Hurley to catch the parachutist. Inset is the "flash" scene that Desmond had. It plainly shows that Charlie was there in both instances (which the flash scene would have been impossible if Des had let Charlie take the arrow).

but then in the comments someone points out the that colors of the parachutes are different, blue vs. grey, so who knows, maybe saving charlie did change something.

― jergïns, Friday, 20 April 2007 08:52 (eighteen years ago)

the old woman from Flashes Before Your Eyes in the photo with the monk is the worst Photoshopping i've seen on TV since Doctor Who at the JFK shooting.

i think the helicopter comes from the island itself, tho togtq's point about high altitude uniform of pilot is good (i've been enjoying the snowglobe theory again recently). why send a copter from an offshore boat at night, unless you're expecting hostility?

was the photo of Des and Penny actually a page in the Ardil 22 book? not just a photo kept in it? looked like it.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

that's if it actually was a helicopter (can't work out how you could eject from one properly)

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

i looked like a photo pasted to a piece of paper folded in half and stuck in the book

― jergïns, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

i'd imagine if the helictoper was high enough you just jump the hell out and hope it keeps going in a straight line.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

I liked this episode because Desmond is the only one for whom the "lost" resonance really reverberates. The others just seem like islanders by now. When that spinning LOST title appears and Desmond's involved there's an emotional kick that got me into the show in the first place. And I love Penny.

― Alba, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

ok assuming the helicopter was really coming to the island, wouldn't it crash farther inland than the parachutist?

― abanana, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

you can eject from certain military helicopters. xpost

― never acid again, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

ok assuming the helicopter was really coming to the island, wouldn't it crash farther inland than the parachutist?

not if it had been flying south?

this assuming the cable on the beach is on the south side of the island - not too far from the survivors camp. someone check the map.

the problem with that is why is the cable for the sonar beacon on the other side of the island from where the submarine was based.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

I liked it when jin was telling the ghost story

― RJG, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

(little girl's voice) “Thank God. I was frightened you’d left because I double-crossed you.”
(narrator) After hearing this, the man smiled and said,
(man's voice) “Don’t worry, dear girl. You should know that I have… A HOOK FOR A HAND!!!”

― never acid again, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

(translation from lostpedia)

― never acid again, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

Jin is ace.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

"i think the helicopter comes from the island itself, tho togtq's point about high altitude uniform of pilot is good (i've been enjoying the snowglobe theory again recently). why send a copter from an offshore boat at night, unless you're expecting hostility?

was the photo of Des and Penny actually a page in the Ardil 22 book? not just a photo kept in it? looked like it.

-- blueski, Friday, April 20, 2007 12:58 PM (6 hours ago)
that's if it actually was a helicopter (can't work out how you could eject from one properly)

-- blueski, Friday, April 20, 2007 1:00 PM (6 hours ago)"

helicopter from the island? the fuck? how? uh? she knew his name... the copter came from over the sea and they didn't hear it come from the island.

re wouldn't the hellacopter have crashed further inland than the parachutist?

no. when a chopper stops working it sinks like a stone. they have no wings and therefore no way of defying gravity. the thing that crashed into the sea was the copter.

assuming it was a helicopter.

military copters do have ejector seats. i can't remember how -- the rotor blades sheer off or something.

but it is maybe odd she landed so far away. it is a mystery.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 20 April 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

so if the cable leads to the beacon in the sea what's supposed to be on the other end, I can't remember

rousseau's lair? mikhail's blowed-up shack?

― dmr, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

A hotpot.

― David R., Friday, 20 April 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

hot pot o' gold

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

And Warwick Davis.

― David R., Friday, 20 April 2007 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

i think forcefield is POWERED BY ISLAND MAGNETISM. ditto the sonic death ray. it has been harnessed?

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

so if the cable leads to the beacon in the sea what's supposed to be on the other end, I can't remember

Two hamsters running on wheels in the Others' underground lair.

― nickalicious, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

God I love Desmond episodes so much... I agree with Alba, he resonates so much because he's by miles the loneliest, emptiest character on the island, pretty much the only Lostie not to have had some sort of redemptive experience despite having saved Charlie's life four times.

Also WTF about this not moving the plot along? We now know that someone out there knows how to, like, FIND THE ISLAND!

Re: fake Scotland, when Desmond turns up to find his ex-fiancee, I was congratulating the Lost producers for actually making the street look like Britain... and then the house was four times as big on the inside as it was on the outside.

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

Okay so at first I thought Desmond saving Charlie paralleled the Abraham/Isaac story and that if Desmond sacrifices Charlie by letting his vision go through, then God will spare Charlie via divine intervention...except that Abraham LOVED Isaac and I wouldn't say Desmond loves Charlie. I think Penny is the Isaac in the allegory, and that, by stepping in to save Charlie (and, as he saw it, sacrificing Penny), she was spared, and that, maybe, if he HAD let Charlie die, maybe it WOULD have been Penny and SHE would have died.

LOST + biblical references x 420 day celebrations apparently = posts like this. Thanks, brain.

― nickalicious, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

Like, by saving Charlie Des thought he was sacrificing Penny to do what was right, thus passing his test of faith?

― nickalicious, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

I like it.

― bear, bear, bear, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

SPOILER IN REPLY TO NICK

except that Parachute Girl most likely isn't dead - her name is Naomi, she's credited in this episode and the next two.

Spoiler over.

― Roz, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

desmond's been there a while longer than the aeroplaners, too, and alone

― RJG, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

-she speaks portugese! like them dudes in the arctic monitoring station

those guys spoke italian.

― MaGoGo, Saturday, 21 April 2007 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

they spoke portugese

― never acid again, Saturday, 21 April 2007 00:18 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Henrik
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Mathias

― never acid again, Saturday, 21 April 2007 00:21 (eighteen years ago)

portugese always sounds like russian to my retarded ear

― jergïns, Saturday, 21 April 2007 09:22 (eighteen years ago)

i thought it was supposed to be Esperanto they were speaking.

― blueski, Saturday, 21 April 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

esperonto would fit with the dharma aesthetic pretty well.

― g®▲Ðұ, Saturday, 21 April 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

one said "happy easter brother," so i naturally wore it and said it in my best desmond voice all day

this has made me chortle for far longer than i can really explain.

― grimly fiendish, Sunday, 22 April 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

Coming home pissed from watching Celtic win the league to watch Desmond being pissed and singing Celtic songs = awesome.

Okay ep. Some good lines.

Teh Island Can Be Found!

many of us remember when Celtic won THE CUP

He was bottling expensive Buckie in 1995 (a year in which Celtic won the cup) but it couldn't have been that year that his So Not Scottish Ex was talking about so I reckon it was the '89 season when Joe Miller scored after Roy Aitken stole a throw-in to deny Rangers a treble. I'm sure there are LOST parallels there somewhere if you look hard enough, maybe that cnut Mo Johnstone defecting to The Others.

― onimo, Monday, 23 April 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

haha...I am now imagining the final scene of a tense season finale, when Ben is speaking to the mysterious "Jacob" behind a curtain...but who is this embodiment of pure evil, no it can't be! ALLY MCCOIST!

― Ronan, Monday, 23 April 2007 09:11 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha

Guys avert yr eyes if you don't want to read an AWESOME CASTING SPOILER/RUMOER:

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.

Jon Gries ("Laslo" in Real Genius, "Uncle Rico" in Napoleon Dynamite) to play Roger Linus in flashback.

END RUOMER/SPILOLER

― nickalicious, Monday, 23 April 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

NICE!

― cutty, Monday, 23 April 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

laslo hollyfeld

― cutty, Monday, 23 April 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

HELL YEAH.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 08:41 (eighteen years ago)

My Lost-watching friend has been coming up with untenable rumors again. His new one? There's an obsession with the Twilight Zone and at the end of the next episode Naomi is going to reveal that the wreckage of flight 815 was found a long time ago and there were no survivors!

― mh, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

sounds reasonable

― never acid again, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

There's an obsession with the Twilight Zone

shoulda had a twilight zone pinball machine in the rec room

― jergïns, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

why was it on 2 hours earlier today???? arrrhg i don't want to watch the last 10 minutes first

― abanana, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

why was it on 2 hours earlier today????

WAHT

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

canada.

― abanana, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

and its obsession with american idol.

― abanana, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)

Wait so Canadians are watching it now? WAU.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Five internet dollars say torrintz are up before it airs in US EST.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 23:02 (eighteen years ago)

why was it on 2 hours earlier today????

Time travel, dude.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 26 April 2007 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

torrent appeared 20 minutes ago

some clarification regarding the timeslot: CTV usually airs it 2 hours before it comes on in the US, but since they also show American Idol and that show is 2 hours long today, they moved it earlier.

― abanana, Thursday, 26 April 2007 00:57 (eighteen years ago)

lol mh's friend 8080

― jessie monster, Thursday, 26 April 2007 03:01 (eighteen years ago)

― MaGoGo, Thursday, 26 April 2007 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

lindelof & cuse have already denied that the island is purgatory, so wtf is going on.

good episode, imo.

also, i refuse to believe your friend does not have some kind of inside scoop.

― smash your phonograph in half, Thursday, 26 April 2007 03:05 (eighteen years ago)

so if all the men on the island are superfertile, does that mean kate is probably pregnant?

― jessie monster, Thursday, 26 April 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

i would argue yes, she is. amazingly, lost may, in the final summation, be all about dads.

― smash your phonograph in half, Thursday, 26 April 2007 03:13 (eighteen years ago)

kate is definitely pregnant, is she not? Juliet said she would have Austen's sample soon enough.

― Gukbe, Thursday, 26 April 2007 04:14 (eighteen years ago)

there were a couple of "WAAAAAAAH?" moments in that episode. three, maybe.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 26 April 2007 07:39 (eighteen years ago)

I liked the episode, but the end was straight out of a half-assed Lost parody.

"There were... no... survivors..."

"...waht?"

L O S T

― en i see kay, Thursday, 26 April 2007 08:00 (eighteen years ago)

kind of boring episode! so not a shocker that patch guy isn't dead.

― Dan I., Thursday, 26 April 2007 08:53 (eighteen years ago)

Sun's visit with Jin's dad was heartbreaking! I liked this episode. What did parachute girl say to Mikhail in Italian? Nobody really believes she said "thank you for helping me", right?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

no I don't.

Why did I not like that shock ending? Kind of seems like a cop out to me. Easiest wierd answer, like. Maybe it's a consipracy or they are all ghosts.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

I'd never thought i'd say this, but Charlie OTM wrt "he's an other, we shouldn't let him go".

The answer is: it was all a dream

― Jibe, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

They will all wake up in their respective city and Lost will go from having been an awesome show to the crappiest shit that ever was.

― Jibe, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

No I think Mittelos/Dharma/whoever's on the outside had a fake flight 815 crash so like all their families would give up looking for them, which would lead to the island being found oopsy.

xpost

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

That is why there was a reference to a "bed set" in this episode. The clues are all round us, we just refuse to see them!!!

― Jibe, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

I'm also thinking some weird conspiracy.

so if men are super-fertile and pregnant women die, ISLAND SEX IS DEADLY!! PENISES ARE WEAPONS!!

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

A fake flight 815 crash? What about the black box? I mean surely you can differentiate one crashed plane from another (faked) one, no?

to Ms Misery: it's a throwback to "A gun is just a metal penis!"

― Jibe, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Ben et al eventually took their sub out to where the tail of the plane landed and got the blackbox and sent it back mainland before the "purple haze".

Also apparently what she said to Mikhail was "I'm not alone", according to most internet LOST dialogue translator dudes.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

The Magic Magnet option-dragged flight 815 to the island!

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

HEARD-IN-THE-PREVIEW SPOILER!

that part where you hear locke's "i snuck into ben's room & kidnapped him" made everyone at my house roar with laughter.

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

He said "tent" didn't he? Locke's probably complicit with Ben and (conflicted) Juliet's plot, because Ben has the daddy-issue goods on him. Locke turning bad would be a powerful plot twist.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

I missed the "next week on LOST" bit. :( basketball playoffs. . .

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

That scene with Juliet admitting the sad truth to Sun was amazing just for how beautiful both those actresses' faces are. My lord.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

pbbt. . .I always want to smack that simpy half-grin off Juliet's face.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

she blinks when she talks

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

Oh I almost forgot! Juliet's "...I hate you."! Either she is going to turn on Ben or she is going to get caught in her lies and somebody (Charlie maybe?) will get to brutalizing on her and then all kinds of shit will break loose.

I think Locke is finally in 100% loose cannon mode which I just loooove. I can't wait for next week.

xposts I found the Juliet/Sun scenes in the armageddon shelter/storage area really, really touching.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

arggh but she's lying about being good and helpful!! She might hate Ben but she's doing "research" for him and I think Sun's putting herself in danger by trusting Juliet.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

Sun's visit with Jin's dad was heartbreaking!

yeah, that was good. i love the sun/jin flashbacks. maybe acting seems better when you don't speak the language.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ben has something on Juliet that we don't know about yet. Possibly a threat to her sister. She's clearly being coerced.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

Yes so might hurt one of the 815ers to get what's being held over her.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think she's just doing it for Ben though, I believed her when she said she wanted to give good news again. I think she thought it would be simpler but now she's kind of emotionally compromised.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

Sun is so pretty.

― Jeff, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

Jeff otm

― HI DERE, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

Jin is about the best-looking male Lostie, too, esp. when his hair is all mussed. The baby must live!

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

sayid, sayid, sayid. . . the curls kill me.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

xp: jeff OTM for sure.

beth OTM too, but in a "i'm comfortable admitting another man is handsome" sort of way.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

Sun gave Jin's ho mom the bizness at the end!

― andrew m., Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

It's a good thing Desmond's vision included Jin, because they kind of would've been screwed without him, huh? He's the one who caught runaway Mikhail, beat him down, AND noticed him stealing the phone.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

I'm glad we got to see his mafia skills in action

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

I was going to find a hott Jin pic from the Lost site, but the "photos" were taking enough time to load that my conscience got me. NO! YOU CSANNOT FRITTER TIME AWAY IN THIS MANNER!!!!
Back to ILX. I was on my way out the door to work when I realized that I'd left my cell in the car all night, so now I have to recharge it. Oh well.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah - did anyone else get the feeling jin had seen mikhail before? felt like there was something going on there.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

maybe that he saw a possible chance for their rescue being taken away by some shady guy in an eyepatch?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

Jin's roundhouse kick was wicked gnarly.

― David R., Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

I loved that everyone knew who he was. I also just love Desmond in general.

There were a TON of shots in this episode that made Sun look particularly beautiful.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

TS: korean army training vs soveit army training?

― Jibe, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

Yes so might hurt one of the 815ers to get what's being held over her.

after the episode my wife said she thinks Sun could become the new Michael

i.e. Juliet has blackmail material on her now (knows about her affair) and Sun would "do anything" to spare Jin the shame of that news coming out

course that could mean killing Juliet but that's kinda tough now that she believes J is her only hope of not dying in 2 months

― dmr, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

I do not trust Juliet any farther than a smoke monster could throw her. All this niceness is a ruse I tell ya! A RUSE!

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

My favorite part about the timeline for Sun's inevitable? death is 2 months, which is like 3 seasons unless it is good plot to put Sun in MORTAL PERIL.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

I am basically w/ Ms Misery in that I think Juliet will fuck over whoever she needs to in order to get off the island.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

sort of like jack. ("screw all of the 815 people... get me the hell out of here!")

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

"But. . .but. . .I only wanted off to get us rescued!!"

They should've rushed him then.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

haha your dislike of Juliet is admirable, you will still not trust her when she has killed Ben with her bare ahnds and delivered Sun's baby and saved Sun's life and I will find it endearing.

xposts

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

My favorite part about the timeline for Sun's inevitable? death is 2 months, which is like 3 seasons unless it is good plot to put Sun in MORTAL PERIL.

I thought the same thing. How convenient, 2 months, just enough time for Sun to either die or, um, not die in the season 5 finale.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Locke's going to kill Ben since he fucked up and missed his chance before.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

One last thought before I really leave for what little remains of the day: Jin in Korea as young newlywed was not nearly as hott as marooned Jin. So in addition to curing Rose of cancer, Locke of paralysis and Jin of sterility, the island also cured Jin of insufficient hottness.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also, why have we not discussed eyepatch guy coming back to life?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think he came back to life, I was never really convinced he was dead to begin with. I think the fence is meant to keep out the smokey and isn't actually fatal to humans + island healing capacity.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

I am so glad he's not dead too because he is a really bitchin' character.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

i totally called super sperm in season two, where's that thread

― cutty, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't Jack check him for deadness?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

It was either Locke or Sayid.

― David R., Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

I R dumb

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

what the fuck was that line about healing on the island? since when has anyone on the island healed quicker than normal besides locke being able to walk?

wouldn't jack have noticed something like this already?

― cutty, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

Sayid said he had a "cerebral hemorhage" but I don't think he ever checked his pulse.

xpost

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

Why didn't the marshall heal? Is it just cause he was a douchebag?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't Rosalind suspect her cancer was gone?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

who? ha

― cutty, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

I'm guessing the "you're all really dead" thing is the "game changer" we've been promised. Maybe the girl dropped from an alternate universe where Italians read books written in Portuguese.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

The island heals who it wants to heal, amirite? Mikhail apparently will serve a greater good (or evil) at some point.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think she's Italian necessarily, she also spoke Spanish, Chinese, and English. She seemed to have maybe a Jamaican accent? She didn't really say enough in English to be certain.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

She really is every woman.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

Mikhail is pretty badass, I was hoping they'd take him captive just so he'd get more screentime.

Also, Rose had that fucked up thing with her throat in the pilot, right? That probably did heal a lot faster than one would expect.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Have any of the fansites figured out the quote that Eyepatch Guy translated as "Thank you for helping me"?

― lindseykai, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

Boone didn't actually give Rose the island tracheotomy, Jack resuscitated her with CPR, which Boone was doing wrong.

xpost yes she said "I am not alone".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

so yeah I wasn't crazy about the cliffhanger ending

what are the possibilities:

- purgatory (ugh)
- they're in some kind of non-religious interdimensional wormhole limbo
- they're in some kind of time anomaly a la "The Langoliers"
- she's lying to fuck with them

any others?

― dmr, Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

Like I think I already said upthread (which has probably disappeared by now into the skipping messages red block), I think the most likely answer is that Mittelos/whoever on the outside staged a fake 815 so that people would stop looking for them.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

that seems ..... elaborate

but certainly possible

― dmr, Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.tvacres.com/images/elsewhere.jpg

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

Dammit, why did my witty picture one-liner break?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

that seems ..... elaborate

Compared with crushing Juliet's husband with a bus right in front of her eyes in order to convince her to come to the island?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

my link failage was my way of saying I think this show is headed for a totally lame "this is all a mute crackhead's dream!" ending.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 26 April 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

they're in some kind of time anomaly a la "The Langoliers"

If crappy CG hairballs with teeth started chomping up the island, I don't know whether I'd laugh or cry.

― lindseykai, Thursday, 26 April 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

I think the most likely answer is that Mittelos/whoever on the outside staged a fake 815 so that people would stop looking for them.

I agree with this.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 26 April 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

"Me estoy muriendo" is Spanish for "I am dying" (from the captions).

"Aiutami sto morendo" is Italian for "Help me I'm dying" (from the captions; partially incorrect, but comprehensible).

She mutters in an "asian language" (from the captions) which Jin claims is Chinese, not Korean. "出了什么事?(chu le shen me shi)" is Chinese for "What happened?" or "What's going on?".

After Mikhail and Desmond treat Naomi's wound, she says something in Portuguese not spelled out in the captions. It is not "Thank you" as Mikhail claims. Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone." The "Ardil-22" book is also Portuguese.

from losteastereggs.

also, the combination to Sun's dad's safe is: 7347. probably meaningless.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 26 April 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

haha that is 1337 for "TEAT".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

Mikhael isn't exactly the master strategist I had hoped he would be.

― abanana, Thursday, 26 April 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder where he was going

― jergïns, Thursday, 26 April 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

To find whoever parachute girl's companion was!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 26 April 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

faked crash and others suprised by crashing plane = not the others who arranged it all, but ALAN BLOODY DALE.

― Alan, Thursday, 26 April 2007 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

i think time anomoly makes more sense than faked crash.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 26 April 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

But hey, I suppose that was the long-awaited gamechanger, eh?

The other big development in this episode was one of the Losties FINALLY casting asperions on Jack's motivations. The last episode of the series is totally going to be a Jackback showing what happened during his week with the Others.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 26 April 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

my money is on juliet sex.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 26 April 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

OMG GUISE SANTA!!!!

HAI GUISE ACCORDING TO LOST TIMELINE IT IS FOUR DAYS FROM XMAS ON THE ISLAND, COULD THE BLINKY RED LIGHT HAVE BEEN RUDOLPH LEADING SANTA'S SLAY TO THE ISLAND?!?

― 404 Error: Page Not Found, Thursday, 26 April 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

Why does it seem blatantly obvious to me that the man that they showed with the bag over his head in the preview isn't Ben, but Locke's Dad (and possibly Sawyer's Dad)?

Locke isn't in Loose Cannon mode at all, Locke is in "I really wanna figure out the hell is going on"-mode. This is all just an elaborate test by Ben.

Doi.

― MaGoGo, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Is there a YouTube link to this trailer?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

HEY GUYS IF JIN HAS SUPER SPERM THEN...

SAWYER CAME ALL UP IN KATE'S OVARIES THEN...

KATE IS PREGGERS

― cutty, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

I would be more impressed if Jack was preggers.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

i watched this for the first time in weeks last night. but somehow i don't think i missed much??

― river wolf, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, good stuff this episode. Someone OTM about Juliet being a no-good woman, and more people OTM about Sun and Jin's hotness. Jin is conquering my heart more every episode. "Phone... phone!"

But, is it really Jin's baby? Even with the super-fertility on the island and all that, could it be Sun has been screwing around with someone else on the island? Boy, would I like to put my money on Hurly...

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

right cause she would be honest with juliet about korean back home but not about island affair... uh, no.

― cutty, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

Why does it seem blatantly obvious to me that the man that they showed with the bag over his head in the preview isn't Ben, but Locke's Dad (and possibly Sawyer's Dad)?

Yeah, that was my immediate guess. I guess Locke has figured out that lying and killing makes people smoke-monster bait. Apparently being a charismatic leader who gets underlings to do the dirty work is okay, though.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

~~(and possibly Sawyer's Dad)?~~

(possibly guy that slept with Sawyer's mom as part of a con leading to Sawyer's dad killing her and himself)

</pedant>

― Clay, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

Juliet is so annoying, I don't know how anyone could bear her. When she comes under attack and she gets her face on and does her "I shall speak very calmly, for you know not all the things that I know, and I shall bear the burden of my great knowledge with dignity and poise" I want to moon her or something.

So, anyway, the one good father in the whole show turns out to be not Jin's biological dad after all. What a swizz. I wonder what ho bag mum will spend the money on. Tat, no doubt.

Instead, it sounds like "Eu não estou só" which is Portuguese (spoken with a Brazilian accent) for "I am not alone."

OMG, she is the other Timelord.

― Alba, Thursday, 26 April 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

SAWYER CAME ALL UP IN KATE'S OVARIES THEN...

KATE IS PREGGERS

-- cutty, Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:07 PM (49 minutes ago)

AH YOOOSED WITHDAWL WITH HER.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 26 April 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

(possibly guy that slept with Sawyer's mom as part of a con leading to Sawyer's dad killing her and himself)

Oops. I jumped ahead of myself, I actually think the con-man is Sawyer's Dad, which is why Sawyer's dad killed himself (unless I missed a clear episode about that Con).

Maybe that's a step too far, but if a women who speaks five languages mysteriously drops from a helicopter onto the island, a woman give a guy a yacht after just meeting him, a clock counts down to unknown armageddon which turns out to be a giant flash of clothes eating (see Desmond post season two finale) light, then I guess anything is possible?

― MaGoGo, Thursday, 26 April 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

who wants to bet that locke's dad slept with sawyer's mom?

― funny farm, Thursday, 26 April 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

So that's why Ana Lucia had to die--Sawyer knocked her up.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 26 April 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

who wants to bet that locke's dad slept with sawyer's mom?

I want to bet that he slept with Jin's ho bag mum.

― Alba, Thursday, 26 April 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

ana lucia had to die because she was annoying and stupid.

― funny farm, Friday, 27 April 2007 01:09 (eighteen years ago)

And pregnant.

― HI DERE, Friday, 27 April 2007 01:11 (eighteen years ago)

but libby didn't need to die :(

― jergïns, Friday, 27 April 2007 08:49 (eighteen years ago)

"The last episode of the series is totally going to be a Jackback showing what happened during his week with the Others" fo sure, that's what i was thinking last night when Jack was asking about the bab

"KATE IS PREGGERS" well duh. juliet all but said so innit.

"OMG, she is the other Timelord" arf. there must be loads of them, what with her from the ring shop. wine-making monk also travelling in time to his scottish vineyard in the mesozoic era. or summink

― Alan, Friday, 27 April 2007 08:55 (eighteen years ago)

Libby was going to be getting some Hurleysperm soon enough though, it was pre-emptive killing.

I'm surprised Libby hasn't appeared in any flashbacks this season - it seemed like she'd be this really significant figure in several people's past but other than supplying the boat I'm still not sure what the point of her was.

― Matt DC, Friday, 27 April 2007 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

See also: Sayid and Shannon.

― Matt DC, Friday, 27 April 2007 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

Kate being pregnant seems too obvious. Maybe she is 'barren' and the island only helps male fertility.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

The Others/Alan Bloody Dale setting up fake 815 wreckage thing works for me, but if that's the case it's not really a 'game changer' is it - the bird has flown on that concept now (whatever it was it already happened).

More important still is where Naomi came from, her purpose on island and who she wit.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

The look Mikhail gave Charlie as he was allowed to go makes me think it will be him that kills the dude.

"Sorry comred, but "You All Everybody" sohcks Lenin's enbahlmed bolls"

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

I think Charlie will capture Mikhail and be going solo vigilante on him and either Jack or Juliet will be forced to off him to protect their own interests.

― Matt DC, Friday, 27 April 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

(Yeah of course Jack isn't really working with the Others but still)

― Matt DC, Friday, 27 April 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

Is Desmond right? Have the survivors now killed more Others than Others have killed survivors?

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

I refuse to call them Losties.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

we still haven't had an adequate explanation for Charlie's near death experience from lovely calm not at all threatening Ethan (tho that story was Juliet in stealth mode, so snuh)

― Alan, Friday, 27 April 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

As someone already said, if the Others faked plane wreckage, then surely they wouldn't have been so shocked when they saw the plane coming down. Unless they faked the wreckage afterwards to stop people finding the island.

Also has nobody wondered why the fuck Mikhail isn't dead? Did he just pretend to die after being pushed through the sonic wall? Was it even turned on?

― Ronan, Friday, 27 April 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

i'm sure it just knocked him out for a while. he lost blood but not that much. there's always got to be a hard-to-kill bad guy.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

wtf why/how would they fake the wreckage BEFORE the 815 crash?

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know but similarly it seems kinda weird that faking it after would be possible. Surely you'd want to fake wreckage simultaneous to a crash like that.

And also don't they find bodies in plane crashes? Even incinerated remains? Did they kill a load of people or something?

― Ronan, Friday, 27 April 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

How do you even fake a plane wreck? I mean, it's even more difficult than clocking that dickhead with the bus.

― Ronan, Friday, 27 April 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

they'd use the submarine to take fake wreckage out to sea, drop it to the ocean bed and leave it to be found. they would've had to take it far tho, somewhere near the plane's original course (nearer Fiji?). of course it's absurd but we've had far worse in this respect as has been said.

they could all the bodies were eaten by sharks and piranhas tho. whew.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

this probably won't be what's happened at all tho. i'm not sure if i'd prefer this to Donnie Darko style scenarios or not.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

Answer to the fake plane wreck problem: the Others/Mittelos wished for it to happen.

― Deric W. Haircare, Friday, 27 April 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

the Jin/Mikhail fight was great. i was actually yelling "you can do better than that you son-of-a-whore jaffa, finish him" at Jin.

not really. love the guy.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

Is Desmond right? Have the survivors now killed more Others than Others have killed survivors?

Have the Others killed any of the Survivors? Some of the Tailies? I forget. Hmm. Ana Lucia killed Shannon. Michael killed Libby & Anna. Seems like Lostie-on-Lostie crime is greater social problem. Of course Juliet has engaged in Other-on-Other murder.

― mulla atari, Friday, 27 April 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

If Locke introduces Sawyer to the Real Sawyer, will this be the first time one of the cute off-island coincidences has had an actual effect on the island storyline? That we know of, obviously--do you think there's some upcoming framework in which it really matters that Claire is Jack's half-sis or that Libby was in the hospital with Hurley or yadda yadda? I guess the closest thing so far is when Sawyer figured out that he'd met Christian in the bar.

― mulla atari, Friday, 27 April 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

i watched a french version of this so the subtitles in the sun in korea sections were in french. my french is a bit rusty so i couldn't completely follow it. when sun was asking her father for the $100000 was she saying to him that there was some other family secret she had kept hidden?

― stirmonster, Friday, 27 April 2007 12:56 (eighteen years ago)

yeah but it was just the whole 'i know you're an evil boss who sanctions murder' thing i think.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 13:06 (eighteen years ago)

ok. thanks.

― stirmonster, Friday, 27 April 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

Others kills:
Steve I mean Scott
Nathan (the toilet-troubles dude that Ana Lucia thought was an Other)
Charlie (briefly)
this can't be it...attempted murder of Michael, Jin and Sawyer on the boat tho perhaps...

Survivor on survivor:
Shannon (by AL)
Ana Lucia (by Michael)
Libby (by Michael)

Ed Mars and Boone (both 'euthanised' by Jack) don't count really

Survivors kills:
Goodwin (by AL)
Ethan (by Charlie)
2 unknowns (by Eko)
1 unknown (accidental - by AL)
1 unknown (by Kate)
Corina (by Sun)
Nikki (accidental - by whoever did the burying)
Paulo (accidental - by whoever did the burying)
NUMEROUS BOARS

Other on Other:
Pickett (by Juliet)

'natural' deaths:
Eko (by smokemonster)
unknown woman (by drowning)

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

Have the Others killed any of the Survivors?

We are to believe that Ethan attempted to kill Charlie and did kill Scott/Steve. And they blew up the raft basically leaving those guys to die (but I think it's important to their twisted morals or whatever that they didn't actually kill them). AND they (er, just Pickett I guess) sure threatened to kill Sawyer enough.

Meanwhile, Charlie has killed Ethan, Sun killed Trixie or whatever her name was, Sawyer or Kate shot two random dudes (in last season's finale).

In reality I think they have each killed more of their respective groups than each others'.

Also I think the game changer is simply the fact that parachute girl has come to the island.

The look Mikhail gave Charlie as he was allowed to go makes me think it will be him that kills the dude.

Yeah I thought this too. But Matt's suggestion is a good one, too. Either way I think we are in for a violent confrontation between the two of them, which couldn't possibly end well for Charlie.

xpost oh fuck that is a much more accurate, in depth list hahar

― nickalicious, Friday, 27 April 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

Survivor on survivor:

haha let's not forget Nikki and Paulo! No actually let's.

― nickalicious, Friday, 27 April 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

Oh nevermind.

― nickalicious, Friday, 27 April 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

Also Sawyer shot that polar bear.

― nickalicious, Friday, 27 April 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

and artz w/ the dynamite

just watched this. the "they found the plane there were no survivors" bit is pretty crap. remember boone in the aeroplane on the cliff when he died and the radio and someone saying there were no survivors. bit boring or annoying, at the moment

not as boring or annoying as juliet's face, though

― RJG, Friday, 27 April 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

Locke has killed numerous inanimate objects.

― mulla atari, Friday, 27 April 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

the submarine was so cute i like to think of it as having a soul. and he destroyed that.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

remember boone in the aeroplane on the cliff when he died and the radio and someone saying there were no survivors.

you mean it's boring/annoying because this turned out to be bernard so whatever naomi is saying might be explained and turn out to be disappointing also?

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Locke has killed numerous inanimate objects. hahahaha

boone in the aeroplane on the cliff when he died and the radio and someone saying there were no survivors in the episode "The Other 48 Days" though remember they found that radio transceiver and it was actually Bernard Boone was talking too..."we're the survivors of Oceanic 815!", cue Ana Lucia all "don't be stupid, it's THEM".

haha xpost

― nickalicious, Friday, 27 April 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway I don't think the revelation itself is supposed to be as important ("gamechanger"ly) as the impact this news will have on the survivors.

― nickalicious, Friday, 27 April 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

maybe they meant 'gay changer' all along and it's all about Tom de-broadening his horizons. no? ok i go now.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

some of your lostie on survivor kills, michael, were pretty much induced by KIDNAPPING A CHILD, and blackmailing the father!

― Alan, Friday, 27 April 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

he could've at least attempted the 'pretend to be dead while the dude in the cell' escapes thing!

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

didn't the front and tail of the plane both end up in the water? if so, searchers could've found them and yep, no survivors. they probably wouldn't have sweated not finding the middle chunk that ended up on the beach in the pilot. so maybe there's no new mystery going on at all. they're just believed dead.

― andrew m., Friday, 27 April 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

they've set is up as this huge revelation tho - not just to be explained in an entirely logical way surely.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

surely.

if this goes 2 more seasons and it turns into "an occurrence at owl creek bridge" i'm gonna roundhouse kick the tv like so much jin.

― andrew m., Friday, 27 April 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

ooh, or it's like that daniel clowes strip where he's riding the bus and imagines being stuck on a desert island with his fellow riders. except in this fantasy it takes a wild quasi religio scifi turn into madness. all in the time it takes to shoot up in the toilet of a plane that's going down! then i kill tv.

― andrew m., Friday, 27 April 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

it's a bad idea

― RJG, Friday, 27 April 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Crimes_of_the_Islanders <--for info on who did what to the other group.

― jessie monster, Friday, 27 April 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

I kind of think the "there were no survivors" blah blah thing is a mindfuck so everyone will be all "OMG CARLTON AND DAMON LIED TO US" but the reality is probably the fake 815 planting, or possibly weird time shit.

― jessie monster, Friday, 27 April 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

Or possibly parachute chick is a crackhead.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 27 April 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

Is there really any chance of Libby appearing in future episodes? She and AL weren't just written off the show to advance the plot, they were fired.

― lindseykai, Friday, 27 April 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

I think Damon and Carlton have said that they want to get Cynthia Watros back on the show, it's just a matter of finding a place for her.

― jaymc, Friday, 27 April 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

They had mentioned someways back that we would eventually meet a character who knew Libby, I'm guessing it will be parachute chick and if she doesn't die in the next couple episodes, maybe we will see Libby in one of her flashbacks next season?

― nickalicious, Friday, 27 April 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

didn't the front and tail of the plane both end up in the water? if so, searchers could've found them and yep, no survivors. they probably wouldn't have sweated not finding the middle chunk that ended up on the beach in the pilot. so maybe there's no new mystery going on at all. they're just believed dead.

-- andrew m., Friday, April 27, 2007 4:22 AM (3 hours ago)

the cockpit is on the island. remember pilot "we're 3000 miles off course"/ smokemonster pwning/ charlie jonesing scene in the pilot?

also, the cockpit is still on my island. here's a picture i took last summer:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/45/151529105_178f5e9525.jpg

(under that tarp.)

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

also, everyone entertaining the idea of a FAKE PLANE CRASH:

WHAT SHOW HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING?

the odds are like 100/1 in favor of time anomoly.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

it's a bad idea

-- RJG, Friday, April 27, 2007 11:20 PM (49 minutes ago)

my joke? yes, you're right.

definitely, as jessie put it, weird time shit.

― andrew m., Friday, 27 April 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

Why was Claire able to give birth again? I thought it was because she conceived off-island (much like Rousseau), but then what were all of Ethan's injections about? Just ensuring that the birth would be successful? Actually, the more I think back to those original Flame station scenes, the more I'm confused. The last few weeks have told us that the Others are chiefly concerned with helping mothers to survive their pregnancies -- but when Alex rescues Claire from the Flame, she tells her that the Others want to cut her baby out from her womb. This made sense given what we knew about the Others back then -- that they were desperate for children (kidnapping Walt, Zack, and Emma) -- but it doesn't make any sense now.

― jaymc, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

i am more excited about the theory that claire's baby is actually Ben and that's why the others were so occupied with it than any other out-there theory.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

you guys!

― Ai Lien, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

an alert fuselage person pointed this out, google search first sponsored hit for oceanic airways:

We are HansoAir
www.HansoAir.org We are no longer Oceanic Airlines Meet HansoAir and fly the tropics.

― jergïns, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

so, some connection

― jergïns, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

i'm serious!

think about it!

xxp

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

i thought they cut it out with that lost experience bullshit a year ago.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

With Oceanic Airlines filing for bankruptcy during the holiday season of 2005 following the bizarre disappearances of several Pacific Ocean flights in 2004 the company welcomed the friendly takeover from its former partner, the Hanso Foundation.

several? former partner?

― jergïns, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

whaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

i guess it would mnake sense that desmond's fuck-up in the swan would pull more than just one plane out of the skies over the pacific.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

but seriosuly, fuck this lost experience shit. give me a fucking off-island-post-crash episode.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

what if there was ANOTHER crash? and ANOTHER! whoa!

― Ai Lien, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:58 (eighteen years ago)

grady, what do you do in Hawaii? I feel envious of you. Unless you're really Dog the Bounty Hunter.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

i actually run errands for Mr Chapman. He's a great guy.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

Mr Chapman = Dog ?

― Ms Misery, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

but then what were all of Ethan's injections about? Just ensuring that the birth would be successful?

well I think Claire was the first test case of "conceived off-island, born on-island" so they didn't really know what would happen

― dmr, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

I am definitely a supporter of the temporal anomaly (I would say the failsafing purple haze moved them into another timeline, one in which Oceanic 815 did crash and they did all die), but I think the odds are just as good that Mittelos/Hanso/Bad Dudes either staged a crash OR maybe used their sub to gather the tail (which dropped in the ocean) and the fuselage (which got pulled out by the tide) and took them (with maybe some bodies still inside!) to a discoverable place.

I almost think they might be keeping the (possible) future story balanced between these options and will go in whichever direction ABC doesn't deem too ridiculous.

Also they were taking samples of Claire but they were actually injecting AARON with innoculations against, um, whatever. They just sort of gave up completely on the (probably placebo) 4815162342 serum, didn't they?

― nickalicious, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

Dog's wife seems like an awesome lady.

― jessie monster, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

from that hansoAir.org site

[i]With Oceanic Airlines filing for bankruptcy during the holiday season of 2005 following the bizarre disappearances of several Pacific Ocean flights in 2004{/i]

― stirmonster, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

is hansoAir.org an official site? it wasn't in the lost experience

― jessie monster, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

i just talked to the guy I DJ with on Saturdays because we have a special event this weekend and I was out of town last weekend. he informed me that last saturday (the saturday I was out of town) THE ENTIRE CAST of lost spent the ENTIRE EVENING at our club (and the owner let them hang two hours after closing). I'm pretty sure it was the s3 wrap party. i am so fucking bummed out right now. i might have actually skipped my cousin's wedding if i knew about this.

:( :( :(

― g®▲Ðұ, Saturday, 28 April 2007 00:51 (eighteen years ago)

i would have gotten my picture taken with DJ H4rvey and Henry Ian Cusick together.

― g®▲Ðұ, Saturday, 28 April 2007 00:54 (eighteen years ago)

bummer :(

― blueski, Saturday, 28 April 2007 00:55 (eighteen years ago)

is hansoAir.org an official site? it wasn't in the lost experience

I don't think it would have Google ads if it were.

― Bill in Chicago, Saturday, 28 April 2007 01:34 (eighteen years ago)

So if there was "no survivors" from 815, does this mean that Michael and Walt never got back?

― Roz, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

I never assumed that they did. I'm willing to bet that they're somewhere on one of the islands.

― Deric W. Haircare, Sunday, 29 April 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

Then again, Ben did threaten Michael before they left not to tell anybody about the island, so they could have made it back but not told anybody who they were or where they came from.

But you're probably right, and they're still somewhere around. Unless you know.. TIME ANOMALY - they left the bubble and turned out at a different place/time.

― Roz, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

quantum leap-style

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

Michael and Walt are suddenly onstage, in the respective bodies of Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy.

― Deric W. Haircare, Sunday, 29 April 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

I read an interview with one of the shows producers saying Michael and Walt would have an episode devoted to them in the fourth(?) season.

Basically, he said everyone on the island has done something bad in their past and has to atone for it on the island. Everyone except the children and Michael, but then Michael goes and kills Ana Lucia and Libby. So he still has to atone for something he's done.

― MaGoGo, Sunday, 29 April 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think the guy who plays Michael wants to come back tho?

― blueski, Sunday, 29 April 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

there was some chatter, maybe upthread about that.

like he posted "ok i hav to go to hawaii now lol :/" on his myspace.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 29 April 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

that was walt.

yeah they offered michael a bunch of money and he said no maybe?

― jergïns, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

a casual comment in the most recent podcast made me think that maybe michael IS coming back near the finale.

― Alan, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

MaGoGo's post (and others on this thread) have sort of confused me about the timings of actually making the show. Surely they've scripted the whole series by the time they start filming? But then there seem to be so many instances of hurriedly writing characters out / giving them more prominence that perhaps not. Have they really only JUST had the wrap party for S3?

― Matt DC, Monday, 30 April 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

"Have they really only JUST had the wrap party for S3?"

that accords with the podcasts

― Alan, Monday, 30 April 2007 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

they seem to have rough plans but are v flexible and episodes are filmed just a 4-6 weeks before they air i think?

how many weeks is Sun pregnant again? or what was the DOC? Sun and Jin weren't really getting on until S2 when he came back to the island.

― blueski, Monday, 30 April 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

insert IT between getting and on there, if you like

― blueski, Monday, 30 April 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

"Surely they've scripted the whole series by the time they start filming?"

nu-uh. this is common in the UK but not in the states.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 30 April 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

"or what was the DOC?"

she's been pregnant for 53 days i think. so end of october, near the end of s02?

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 30 April 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

according to lostpedia timeline DOC was a day or two AFTER jin got mad at her for speaking english and moved away from their marital shack.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

DOCs from a scan are not day accurate obv (or not). shame that all the medical DOC chat between juliet and sun was free of all the important and television-friendly chat about periods.

― Alan, Monday, 30 April 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

I sure as hell hope Walt, with or without Michael, reappears. Among the many thing they MUST explain before the series ends is what Walt's deal was.

― mulla atari, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

and why did he appear to people wet anyway?

― blueski, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

maybe that version of Walt was from the future after the boat sinks, Michael dies, and Walt swims back to the island alone

― dmr, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast/April_30%2C_2007

Will you at some point revisit the psychic's predicitions on Claire's baby and Walt's seeming ability to either manipulate or predict future events, or does the Others obsession with children and pregnancy go beyond the apparent inability of women to successfully bear children on the island. Are they interested in children with special abilities?
Yes we will revisit this.
Yes, they're interests go beyond the the child bearing issue
Yes, they are interested in children with special abilities

― Alan, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

Walt and Desmond together could be an interesting one. Unless Desmond buys the farm by the end of the series which I think he might.

― Matt DC, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

songs for the Lost 'musical episode' (the numbers):

[adapted from other musicals]
Locke be a Lady Tonight (this was on the podcast, i cheat)
An Other's Suitcase in An Other's Hall
Sit Down You're Blowing Up The Raft
(Sun will come out) Tomorrow

[and more modern tracks]
Polar Bear (by Ride)
Push The Button (sucrebabes)
Plane Crash (by Inspiral Carpets)

― Alan, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

Finally got to see this.

Mikhail should be dead from sonic ear bleeding and jizzmouth but I'm glad he's not.

I think the fake crash thing is more likely than the time anomaly thing.

Hurley was great:
"and a satellite phone..." [everyone gives Hurley 'you're a dick' look]
"does it work?"
"like ... I'd ... tell ...you"

― onimo, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

Naomi bout to drop the explanatory bombz

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

i changed my mind about fake crash thing - it's just not enough of a CHANGE to the GAME

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

still laffing at when Hurley said "Mom?" into the phone

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

i think naomi landing is potentially game-changing. she'd better not fucken die this evening.

sayid should just torture her and juliet to get to the bottom of things.

this programme has made me a bad man.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

More annoying questions not answered scenes

Jin: What happens to pregnant women? What happens to babies? Why are to taking children? What are you doing to them? WHAT THE FUCK IS GONG ON WITH YOU CUNTS?
Juliet: Preggers chicks die.
Kate: Sun, let's go! Quick, before onimo gets some fucking answers!

― onimo, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

sayid should just torture her

"No...I do not do that anymore..."

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

he did threaten to kill jules the other week until pussyboy jack told him to make nice.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

sayid should just torture her

"No...I do not do that anymore..."

convenient considering torture has proven completely useless on previous Others because they are super-amazing at brain stuff.

― Will M., Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

they are super-amazing at brain stuff.

It's all that clockwork orange shit.

Sayid should just kill her.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

i just thought the way he said it was funny. kinda casual, in a "Actually I think I'll stop going to these Bridge nights" way.

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Kate: Sun, let's go! Quick, before onimo gets some fucking answers!

Yeah, I kinda screamed at that a little bit. I wish Sun had backhanded Kate right then.

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Why did Juliet take Sun to the medical station alone and in such a creepy way? (besides to keep the audience scared)

Per podcast, tonight's episode might reveal information about the statue, and there might be Watchmen congruence.

― abanana, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

also who was the secret part of the medical station secret from??!!

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

Also, will we find out that Sun followed Juliet back into the station and overheard Juliet's message?

― onimo, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

highly unlikely.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

in other shows that would be standard, but not in 'L O S T'.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

i.e. it didn't seem to be especially suss that sun was like 'YEAH SURE, why not just GO BACK INSIDE ENEMY BASE and do WHATEVER YOU LIKE', in the context of 'L O S T'.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

There was a bit of a look in Sun's eyes as Juliet was leaving that made me think she was thinking of following her.

― onimo, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think anything is going to scupper Ben's plan like that tho.

the secret room in the Staff is kinda just 'ours not reason why re Dharma' for now perhaps. perhaps it was used for quarantine by Dharma, or some sort of test subjects.

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

what bugs me is that you would think people would be keeping an eye on juliet ALL OF THE TIME. she is suspect. but she managed to sneak off w/ sun anyway? they had to be followed. if this was mentioned up-thread, apologies. sometimes i miss things.

― Ai Lien, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

You're right. Or Sun would have woken someone up to get them to come with her if she really didn't trust Juliet. I reckon Sun has followed her back into the station. After all, if her flashback this week taught us anything, it taught us that she is good at sneaking around and general intrigue. She is the character from Lost with whom I would most like to be stuck on a desert island. She immediately started growing her own food and generally making the place more liveable, while not giving up on getting rescued. She is hardcore.

I love how Juliet's expression of concern, which was so heart warming when she used to use it in ER, has now become creepy and weird.

She really reminds me of the Borg queen from First Contact.

― accentmonkey, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

She is the character from Lost with whom I would most like to be stuck on a desert island.

... YOU know what i'm talking about!

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

there's no way Sun could follow Juliet in to hear her message to Ben without Juliet seeing her because Sun wouldn't be able to realise Juliet turning to leave and then clear the Staff's single passage way out in time.

i know this is sad.

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

juliet's message to ben gets an appearance in tonight's episode (I won't say how)

― abanana, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:27 (eighteen years ago)

Do they show L O S T in the mid-afternoon instead of M A U R Y up there?

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:38 (eighteen years ago)

it was on at 9PM here!
http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/tvlist/ATVtvlist.html

― abanana, Thursday, 3 May 2007 02:37 (eighteen years ago)

If Juliet doesn't stop making THIS FACE http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-promos/sea3/oneofus/normal_promo-oneofus32.jpg
I'll go CRAZY!!

― Z S, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:01 (eighteen years ago)

I get the feeling soon she won't have a face left to make that face with.

"What was your name again?"
"Sayid."
"Remind me not to rescue you, Sayid."
They are so totally going to bone.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

Soon, I mean. About the face-having thing. Because she's going to get fucked up.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

That death by chain-strangling was much better than the one on 24 earlier this year. I was much more invested in seeing the victim suffer!!! Thanks tv for making me so pleased by people's deaths!!!

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

What are she and Jack not telling them/Kate? I bet it's that Kate is PREGANANT.

xpost ditto! My favorite choke-strangling since Jabba.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

seriously guys, fuck kate.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:12 (eighteen years ago)

John "special ed" Locke. How many times is he going to fall for that routine?

― Dan I., Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

They are so totally going to bone.

I, for one, am happy about that. Sayid deserves a good time.

― Z S, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

xpost: Locke's a rube.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:16 (eighteen years ago)

i loved when sayid was like--

did you tell jack? good.

― cutty, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

You know who deserves a good time with a lady friend? HURLEY

― David R., Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

I really liked this episode. I'm liking every episode. And I'm really really going to enjoy Rousseau blowing shit up.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:36 (eighteen years ago)

No off-island flashbacks! And the island is weird again! Stoked.

― bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 3 May 2007 03:56 (eighteen years ago)

i loved when sayid was like--

did you tell jack? good.

otm!!

― dmr, Thursday, 3 May 2007 04:00 (eighteen years ago)

What are she and Jack not telling them/Kate? I bet it's that Kate is PREGANANT.

My guess is that the Others told Jack they would all be getting off the island very soon... when in reality they plan to unleash Smokey on them, which kills all murderers (i.e. every main character)

― abanana, Thursday, 3 May 2007 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

Godamnit, tell her what! I have shit to do this week, I don't need to be trolling the internet for fucking CLEWS.

Also, leave it to Ms. Hormones to let Juliette about Naomi just because she's pissed at Jack.

WOMEN GUYZ, AMIRITE?

― en i see kay, Thursday, 3 May 2007 04:04 (eighteen years ago)

Juliet probably told Jack they were "going home" in three days or something

but in reality it refers to Ben's "grab the pregnant ladies" raid

― dmr, Thursday, 3 May 2007 04:33 (eighteen years ago)

this one was ok

I'm finding I don't get as much enjoyment out of (semi-)inevitable plotlines finally getting to their conclusion

but there was some good stuff

― dmr, Thursday, 3 May 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)

wtf this episode was totally great!!! bravo lost dudes!!

― chaki, Thursday, 3 May 2007 06:06 (eighteen years ago)

i was a bit bored, maybe i just don't care as much as i used to. ho hum.

― Maria :D, Thursday, 3 May 2007 06:17 (eighteen years ago)

i think they waited too long on the OMG LOCKE'S "DAD" IS REAL SAWYER reveal for most people. i was happy about it, though.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 3 May 2007 06:20 (eighteen years ago)

who thinks the others planted a wrecked plane replete w/ corpses? (i don't, scott does).

― Maria :D, Thursday, 3 May 2007 06:23 (eighteen years ago)

Does anyone else think this was like, almost the best of the season?

― bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 3 May 2007 06:45 (eighteen years ago)

yes, i do. sawyer is such a great antihero and i love how the writers are making jack such a fuckhead.

― chaki, Thursday, 3 May 2007 06:48 (eighteen years ago)

I wanna smack the fuck out of Kate. After pulling that "I gotta sleep alone, old habits," crap, she can't keep her mouth shut for two seconds.

Sawyer, I wuv you.

― Roz, Thursday, 3 May 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

It's gonna be a great season end, I hope... Danielle with explosives, Locke maybe finding his purpose (or failing again!), and a huge face-down with Jack/Juliet vs Losties vs Others.

3 more episodes, argh. I'm going to go through severe TV withdrawal as Heroes will end at the same time.

― Roz, Thursday, 3 May 2007 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, this one was ok. It was a set-up episode for the next few weeks, so I can live with much new in the development department. I mean, how many different characters uttered something like "we can't tell you yet" this week? However, next week looks like the DHARMA money shot episode.

And I'm really really going to enjoy Rousseau blowing shit up.

Ha. I was so preoccupied with Sawyer going to kill Sawyer that I didn't even think about why the hell she's going on a dynamite run. I guess Locke was cool with it too, "Be careful, it's unstable." Wow.

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry. "I can live without"

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

yeah next week's looks rad

― dmr, Thursday, 3 May 2007 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

She didn't just take the dynamite. She took a SHIT TON of dynamite.

One thing I am really loving about this is they are building towards basically every person on the island being in the same place at the same time, for the first time. And it is going to be intense and violent and incredible. Dare I say explosive.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

i'm so glad this show pulled itself out of that midseason ditch it found itself in

― cutty, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

They are so totally going to bone.

agreed.

when naomi said she was searching for desmond, he had this, "see? i told you!" look.

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

i think it's called smug

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

i liked this one a lot. lots going on. exciting.

― scott seward, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe the magic power that causes people to "see" things, like Wet Walt and Kate's horse and Jack's father ALSO caused searchers to "see" a submerged plane w/ corpses. Is Smokey the get-inside-your-head hallucination-maker? Maybe he took a little trip Off-Island.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

Also, they can't all be dead, because Boone, Shannon, Libby et al couldn't have DIED AGAIN, could they have?
I think the plane got copied and pasted.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 3 May 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x20-curtain/normal_3x20-preview09.jpg

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

nice jesus w/ cross thing going on with locke at the end there.

forthcoming facedown is fake - do ppl rly think ben's got rogue elements in the camp stealing files, or that locke hears anything he's not supposed to? juliette only thinks she's undercover, but i reckon she'll be left for dead once babies be taken. if the babies arent red herrings too that is.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

i do keep thinking that someone's going to whip off locke's shoe do a whole "he IS the chosen one" thing when they see he's got four toes like the statue. or better yet, they'll find five toes and it'll actually be sawyer.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

I almost think Jack & Juliet are thinking they have a plan to defend against the Others and can't tell Kate yet because it would put their plan in danger, but still, to find out there is a wounded newcomer in the camp and NOT go running to make sure she's okay is very much not like the Jack we know and (used to) love.

Of course now here comes barefoot Sawyer out of the jungle with a tape recorder implicating Juliet, making J+J all that much more suspicious to our 815 survivors. Who is left who will trust Jack if not Hurley or Charlie? Jack U R FUKT.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

I thought it was endearing when Sawyer puked after killing Locke's dad. Seriously.

I do wish they'd lighten up with the "they're going to kidnap our women!" talk. It's a little antiquated.

― Jenny, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

so what really happened to Locke's dad is that he got rear-ended (maybe by the same Mittelos bus driver that whacked Juliet's hubby), drugged up, and taken to the island ..... no magic involved. right?

but then the question becomes why did they want him dead. or is it really just that they want Locke to reach his "full potential" or whatever. maybe ...

― dmr, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe the Magic Box is like The Who's magic bus, except it's a magic AIRbus DO YOU SEE?

― David R., Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

they are in hell

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/1d/250px-Catbus.jpg?

― dmr, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

uh, xpost

― dmr, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

what happens if you strangle someone in hell? they go to super-hell?

― dmr, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

I want catbus v smokey showdown!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

I really liked when Ben was all "JESUS CHRIST MAGIC BOX IS A METAPHOR GOD WHY AM I SURROUNDED BY MORONS."

― jessie monster, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

magic box is a feeling

― dmr, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

haha me too Jessie, I thought that was not-so-subtly aimed at fans and their ridiculous magic box theories.

So guys guess what I realized!?? Jack's dad used to be HAWK THE SLAYER:

http://www.stomptokyo.com/sings/hawk/hawk-himself.jpg

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

wow, what an episode. best of the season? i love it when every scene matters. and i love all the '8 days ago...3 days ago...'

how about all those books in ben's tent? wtf, they haul all that around?

sayid and that girl are totally going to go at it, otm, but it was interesting how he quesitoned whether anoyone saw her helicopter.

shit's coming together for juliet to switch sides and rousseau to blow shit up and locke to go toe to four toe with jacob.

― jergïns, Thursday, 3 May 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

this ep was good, but probably more fun for casual fans who dont connect the dots weeks in advance.

lol @ locke's dad being positive he was in hell.

lol @ locke's dad calling ben "bug eyes."

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 3 May 2007 18:59 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think I'd have made the Sawyer-Sawyer connection if someone on this thread hadn't suggested it first.

Also, I am thick.

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 3 May 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

it was interesting how he quesitoned whether anoyone saw her helicopter

I like that they have kind of made Sayid the voice of the super-cynical fan, I for one am not entirely convinced there was really a helicopter based solely on helicopter sounds & a large splash, not on an island where a column of black smoke makes noises like a roller coaster.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, it does seem like they're strongly suggesting that the island at least = purgatory if not hell. Of course, given that they've never really given us answers, it might be unlikely they'd drop something that heavy.

I really thought that "Should we tell her?" had to do with Kate being pregnant but who knows?

Anyway, one of the best eps, etc., yeah.

― Sundar, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

I really thought that "Should we tell her?" had to do with Kate being pregnant but who knows?

This is exactly what I thought too Sundar.

I thought all the hell references in this were to re-emphasize that this ISN'T some kind of afterlife/in-between place though, since people (like Cooper) can die here (violently/awesomely). I did really, REALLY love his line at the beginning though "don't you know where we are?".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

juliet's flashbacks should have dispelled any purgatory theories, and hopefully next week's dharma flashbacks shed more light on how people get to the island from the "real world."

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

The "Should we tell her" exchange made me SOOOOOO mad!

― Jesse, Thursday, 3 May 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

Kate was a little too "oh well i guess i'll find out next episode guyz!" wasnt she?

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 3 May 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

They are so not in hell, or purgatory, it's a big red herring. I'm pretty sure the Others arranged Locke's dad's car accident. Smiling paramedic dude was probably that Richard guy (who I think we've only seen in Juliet's flashback, right?) and he arrived on the submarine.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 3 May 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

yes it was obv that locke's dad thort they were in hell - partly why he was egging sawyer on so badly, after all what did it matter if he was dead. but it's equally obv that this is no purgatory/hell/w/vs

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Dr._Alpert RIchar Alpert. yes we saw him with Ethan persuading Juliet.

so it was strongly implied that Ben put ALpert up to giving Locke the sawyer dossier. but does that mean he wants locke to get his dad killed? and what's that going to mean when Locke brings along dead dad?

so the others spend time digging up the dirt on the losties off of google. find out about John's miraculous recovery, find out about his no good dad. track dad down and get him to the island. because...? they want locke to kill him?

lost island war all out now plz.

― Alan, Thursday, 3 May 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

Guys I'm kind of starting to think JACOB is a giant computer.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 3 May 2007 23:37 (eighteen years ago)

Is the password "joshua"?

Hell or purgatory is a red herring. I read somewhere that the creators flat out said it was false.

Oh, I realized there's no "Driveshaft C or D" thread on ILM.

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 3 May 2007 23:44 (eighteen years ago)

Joint Analog Computation of Being

great, all they have to do is confront it and ask it "Why?" and it will explode.

― Alan, Thursday, 3 May 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

Re: Richard Alpert, I'm sure he's glad the Dharma food/supply drops include mass quantities of eyeliner.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 3 May 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

so what really happened to Locke's dad is that he got rear-ended (maybe by the same Mittelos bus driver that whacked Juliet's hubby), drugged up, and taken to the island ..... no magic involved. right?

yep. but why are they so invested in a) locke killing pops b) locke in general?

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 3 May 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

i totally believe Richard Alpert when he says Locke is special.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:00 (eighteen years ago)

Naomi also quite hot.

― Ronan, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

did Locke even recognise Cindy from the plane? ffs explain her deal already. nice of the Others to even have the two kids there to watch Locke kill his Dad tho...

great episode, maybe only 4th best of the series for me. yes to jack hate. the whole 'bodies in the plane' thing v creepy.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:12 (eighteen years ago)

rousseau thing was hilarious, as was ben's 'it's a metaphor' thing - wish they had had tom asking him "so is it REALLY a box?" and scratching his head or something.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)

chances Naomi will turn out to be full of shit, pretty high surely.

― Ronan, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)

"there never was a boat, I've been on the beach all along. I was just lonely and feeling worthless so I faked the whole thing. God I'm such a stupid worthless lonely idiot."

― Ronan, Friday, 4 May 2007 00:17 (eighteen years ago)

Please someone explain to me how Bat Manuel has gotten into this mess?

― MaGoGo, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:36 (eighteen years ago)

i think chances naomi knowing nothing of dharma/island/never even thought about 815 past hearing about it on the news are pretty good.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 4 May 2007 01:37 (eighteen years ago)

The island is not purgatory only because I'm a hopeless romantic and refuse to believe that Desmond is dead and therefore will never get back to Penny. Can't happen.

Naomi used to be on "Las Vegas", she's pretty hot on that show.

― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

We're all overlooking the most important question which is when is Locke finally going to get some hot island sex with that middle-aged Other woman who was giving him the eye?

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 08:17 (eighteen years ago)

Also I'm assuming the "kill your dad/don't kill your dad" is part of trying to find out the extent to which Locke is a Good Person. I get the feeling they don't really know why he has such a special relationship with the island and they're still trying to work that out, or perhaps corrupt him to try and destroy it altogether.

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 08:19 (eighteen years ago)

i can't help thinking jack and juliet's Big Secret might be something other than kate being pregnant. for starters, it might have crossed kate's mind anyway. but also it's not really relevant to the arrival of naomi. it seems to be something else. and the execs are saying that penny discovering the island means they're all fucked somehow, iirc.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 4 May 2007 08:48 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sort of wondering whether Penny might actually turn up on the island as a regular S4 character. Either that or she'll be bumped off by her dad.

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 08:54 (eighteen years ago)

Kate being pregnant would be a really dumb, pointless move surely? Don't get why it's being touted so much.

Naomi is the real deal, she knows too much re Penny and the EM surge detection.

Given the big Jesus thing going on with Locke now I suppose we'll see Ben tempt him with near success before he then sacrifices himself to the island to save everyone...at the end of the next series.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

i think naomi is real too. there was a red light in the sky, she was in a real pilot's suit hanging from a tree and almost died.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 4 May 2007 09:36 (eighteen years ago)

but did you see her helicopter? who knows where it took off from? actually I think I might just think she's fake cos I read speculation that she lived underground.

I am very inclined to think that Ben and the Others don't actually want Locke to kill his Dad. Is this crazy? Seems a bit contrary to their philosophy, and like maybe they're testing him. He may have passed by getting Sawyer to do it.

― Ronan, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:09 (eighteen years ago)

Sawyer gets all the Star Wars references - this time it was Leia strangling Jabba with chains...Locke laughing inside like Salacious Crumb...OK I'm reaching here.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

ben talked about the place they were headed to as 'very old'. i hope this turns out to be some old 4-toed statue riddled underground temple

― Alan, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

Is it me or has Sawyer had more screentime than anyone else by a long way? He always seems to be central to either the main plot or whatever goofy subplot is happening. There's actually been hardly any Jack in the second half of the series, bar a couple of episodes.

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

yeah that's true. i hope jack becomes actively bad/set against team sayid next season. sawyer was great this week. it was a classic ep.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

lol at Alpert with his manbag

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

full of eyeliner natch

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

Alpert is like a Ben Stiller office character toned down a little bit. I can imagine him asking John if he wants to go and get a soda and "have a rap" about how he's "settling in with the group".

― Ronan, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

as an anthony perkins lookeelikee i expect his taxidermied mother will turn up next ep

― Alan, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

lol at Alpert with his manbag

when he walked up the side of the hill to meet locke i figured he had to be wearing loafters. that guy.

how about another star wars reference from nerdy lindelof: emporer ben urging locke on to kill his dad.

― jergïns, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

somebody you knows more about architecture than i should say something about the column. Greek? Classical? Doric?

― jergïns, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

two other good moments in this one as well: sawyer's bare feet as an echo to last season's (or was it s1?) barefoot others. and locke waking up next to ben's wheelchair, almost like the pilot episode.

― jergïns, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

I love how Locke was so wrapped up in the whole Sawyer-killing-his-dad thing that he barely batted an eyelid at Rousseau turning up to take an ENTIRE CASE OF DYNAMITE. Presuming Alex is still with the Others, this probably isn't great news for Locke, whatever she's planning on blowing up.

Then again, we already know Locke likes blowing shit up.

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

he's probably all like 'girl after my own heart'

― jergïns, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

"why do the good ones always love dynamite"

― Ronan, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:52 (eighteen years ago)

so if the surge knocked out comms presumably this means the radio tower is no longer broadcasting Rousseau's old message and the numbers i.e. the world according to Dharma is doomed.

now that Real Sawyer is dead and the letter ripped up will Sawyer still choose to be known by the name? how is it going to affect his character now that his lifelong dream of revenge has been achieved? he should be happier you'd think. they're making him out as a leader figure now.

Naomi's phone thing looked cool - even Sayid was impressed. but how many Geronimo Jackson/Driveshaft/Mama Cass/minimal house mixes of 'Moonlight Serenade' MP3s can it store?

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:52 (eighteen years ago)

I have to say I liked Sawyer screaming "YOU BALD BASTARD"

― Ronan, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

Did we see the "game-changing" moment on last week's Lost when Naomi revealed that the outside world had found Flight 815 and that there were no survivors? Lindelof: "Nope. Not yet. Trust us.... YOU. WILL. KNOW."

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

haha every ep i've been thinking: has the game been changed? but i DON'T. KNOW. yet.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 4 May 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

they kept saying it would happen mid-season. gameteasers.

what was Sayid digging btw? apart from Naomi's sass?

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

i grabbed these stills from the trailer for next week's episode - only look if u want to:

him again
spooky
whodat?

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

Sawyer is totally going to be the leader now, or at least joint leader with Sayid. Bearing in mind he knows Juliet is a mole and the Others are coming to take their wimmin, I think he'll have J&J hounded off the beach in no time.

Has anyone commented on Kate being a COMPLETE FUCKWIT in going running to Jack as soon as anyone told her anything?

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

"Has anyone commented on Kate being a COMPLETE FUCKWIT in going running to Jack as soon as anyone told her anything"

it's called "doing a Pat Butcher"

― Alan, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

the thing of it that made it even more fuckwitted was she was like "i can't tell you in front of juliet". SHOULD HAVE LEFT IT AT THAT, FRECKLES.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

My first response as soon as Kate walked up to Jack and Juliet was: "Oh Kate... are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?!". Yes. I said that. To my laptop screen.

― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

I'm so glad they did an on-island flashback for Locke. Some of these characters have really been flashbacked-out. I'd like to see the whole flashback structure messed with or junked entirely in Season 4. It's okay for the newer characters, but I don't ever want another Jack, Kate, or Charlie off-island flash--Hurley maybe.

― mulla atari, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

what was Sayid digging btw? apart from Naomi's sass?

Juliet's grave, hopefully.

xpost I want a Hurley/Libby flashback from the mental institution.

― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

there was some talk about an imminent entirely flash-back free ep.

― Alan, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

it's supposed to be Ben/Dharma stuff next week with scenes set in the past so dunno how that squares.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

It'll have to wait for season 4.
(xpost)

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

Gah I was hoping the Ben episode would go right back into his past. I'm assuming the Jack one will focus on his week with the Others.

Characters I still want to know more about from their flashbacks - Hurley, Jin & Sun, Desmond, Juliet, Claire maybe.

Characters they can easily invent new periods of their life for - Kate, Sayid, Sawyer

Completely flashbacked out, don't care about their past any more - Locke, Charlie, Jack

FFS give us a flashback already - Rousseau, Cindy, Alex, Carl, MIKHAIL would be awesome

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

i don't care about anybody's past now except OTHERS, Rousseau's, Naomi's...basically anyone who wasn't on the plane.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

Supposed spoiler from the Ben ep. rot13: Ebtre gur Jbexzna vf Ora'f qnqql. Qnqql vffhrf ntnva - Ora (abg Qunezn, nppbeqvat gb Zvxunvy), Ebtre (Qunezn fgbbtr).

― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I was just thinking it would be great if they really laid on the periferal-character flashbacks next year - Rousseau, Mikhail, Tom, maybe another Rose/Bernard one, Alpert (this would be very interesting), etc. Also hopefully Naomi will survive and become a full-time cast member next year, with flashbacks of her own.

If they figure out a way to bring the Others & the 815ers together in any kind of sustained, community way this would be a great integration tactic, at least from an audience standpoint.

Does anybody else think that "whodat?"/possibly Jacob pic looks like DR RICHARD ALPERT?

Great funny tension-diffusing moment: Sawyer all "I'll shootchyoo!" and Locke all "lolz James if there were bullets in that why did u pull the knife?".

woah xposts

― nickalicious, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

Does anybody else think that "whodat?"/possibly Jacob pic looks like DR RICHARD ALPERT?

yes - very curious - maybe Alpert in the past as he looks younger with that hair.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

I'm assuming the Jack one will focus on his week with the Others.

FWIW there have been (rumored) scenes filmed for the finale w/ whatshername that plays Jack's wife Sarah (filmed in the same hospital they film Grey's Anatomy, supposedly). There have also been (rumored) scenes filmed w/ Matthew Fox rocking a full beard in some state of primitiveness. As far as I know though no John Terry (Christian), who is always the best part of Jack's flashbacks.

― nickalicious, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

need flashbacks of Colleen and Pickett's story

― Alan, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

no thanks

― cutty, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

i want backstory about dr richard alpert mascara

― cutty, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

when are they meant to have found then plane+bodies again? maybe this was something Jacob dealt with. i still want to see that Isobel woman again, hopefully she'll be wherever they're going to now.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

They have done really well to set up future Sayid flashbacks - as Juliet pointed out something happened in Basra, it was alluded to that his father was some sort of war hero, HOW DID HE GET OUT OF IRAQ AT ALL, etc.

When we first met Alpert I was only excited because hey Batmanuel is on LOST, but he is quickly becoming one of my favorite Others.

― nickalicious, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

at the bottom of a trench off bali sounds kind of... odd? how wide is the opening of a trench? wouldn't a plane break up on hitting the ocean surface? also weren't they further out than bali?

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

And isn't Bali in the Indian Ocean?

― nickalicious, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

Alpert is so clean

they need to explain the whispers NEXT WEEK

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

Okay new theory - Ben has some sort of communion with the island of his own, which makes him the favoured employee of Richard, who is King Other. Richard is actually disatissfied with Ben, spine tumour means he's failing in some way, link with the island is not as it should be. Richard is actually planning to oust Ben and replace him with Locke.

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, that was hinted pretty strongly in the episode but they could have been leading us up the garden path.

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

I don't want any more flashbacks unless they are of the 3 days ago variety.

― Jeff, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

isn't it hinted quite strongly that ben put alpert up to it tho. "Now why would you think of something like that, John" wild eyed Ben sez

― Alan, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

I find it interesting the plane was found near Bali which is the only predominantly Hindu island in Indonesia, given Dharma's Eastern religion ties (Namaste, etc). And no, they couldn't have possibly landed there - Bali is ridiculously way off the route from Sydney to LA, even if they were turning back towards Fiji. If they were to have crashed near any island in the Pacific, Papua New Guinea or any of the smaller Pacific islands would have been more plausible.

Isobel - third Lost character to share a name with a Grey's Anatomy character (Dr. Shephard, and Dr. Burke).

― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

isn't it hinted quite strongly that ben put alpert up to it tho. "Now why would you think of something like that, John" wild eyed Ben sez.

I read that as Ben saying: "Okay, who can't keep their mouths shut around here?"

― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

is Bali roughly 1000 miles off a sensible flight path from Sydney to LA?

not that it necessarily makes sense for them to plant a plane there on that basis.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

Surely Alpert acted of his own initiative - Ben could've just given Locke the Sawyer file himself if he wanted to you would think, if it gets him the result he wants (I think he genuinely wants Locke to help him/Others).

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Bali is about 2500 miles from Sydney and further if they had flown out towards LA past Fiji.

― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

They could wrap up everything really satisfyingly in the next three episodes. I almost wish they would do that and end the series on a really high note, rather than drag out a 4th season. I know that's not going to happen, but it's still a nice idea.

Surely Alpert acted of his own initiative - Ben could've just given Locke the Sawyer file himself if he wanted to you would think,

But Ben is the Great and Powerful Oz, he always works from behind the curtain.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

Oh also let's talk about the raid! Why on Earth would Ben tell him they were going to go take the pregnants, besides as a test of loyalty? And surely Ben should know better than to think no one will get hurt.

xpost really? The way this is winding up I think will set us up for an incredible season 4.

― nickalicious, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone else really want to slap the shit out of Ben for most of this episode? This psychological manipulation shit is getting tiring.

― mh, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

it's called "doing a Pat Butcher"

ha :)

― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

"Ben could've just given Locke the Sawyer file himself if he wanted to you would think"

what rockhardy sed. if Ben DOES want locke's dad dead then telling Locke about the sawyer connection would betray that and Locke wouldn't have done it.

― Alan, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

no, ben was awesome!

the "metaphor" line was a classic.

xpost

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

― nickalicious, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone else really want to slap the shit out of Ben for most of this episode? This psychological manipulation shit is getting tiring.

i still enjoy it, but he IS the bad guy at the end of the day (if not quite THE bad guy).

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

He also thinks that John "Island Communion" Locke is on his side - and therefore the island will somehow protect them from the Bad(TM) guys in the survivors' ranks.

xpost

― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

I still like Ben on the show, if only because Michael Emerson is good at playing him, you still can't really tell when he's lying and when he's being genuine.

― Roz, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, Ben KNOWS they are armed, he KNOWS there are soldiers and fighters and fugitives etc among their ranks, he KNOWS they are fed up with being fucked with, he should KNOW that it's very likely that a LOT of his people are probably going to die.

He also KNOWS that they have a secret and ancient hiding place that the Losties are currently unaware of.

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Until he walks right into it with Locke, of course.

― Matt DC, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Um I don't think the Others are the bad guys.

PLOT TWIST.

― MaGoGo, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

"we're the good guys, michael."

― cutty, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

that's why i think the whole locke killing his dad thing was an elaborate test that he actually passed

― jergïns, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

Ben is a classic bad guy, in the Cancer Man vein (fucking with people's heads, blackmail etc, but all for 'the greater good').

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

Getting other people to kill your enemies isn't exactly a sign of good, either. Unless we're supposed to believe the Others have some divine mandate to tell who can justly live and die, but they're too morally clean to do it personally.

― mh, Friday, 4 May 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

that's why i think the whole locke ~~killing his dad~~ having his dad killed without having to get his hands dirty thing was an elaborate test that he actually passed

that's my take on it
ha, xpost

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 4 May 2007 20:06 (eighteen years ago)

notice how quickly Locke's bitten hand healed - it seems to be getting faster and faster with him. perhaps it is because he once again 'turned the other cheek' re his Dad (and is thus rewarded by 'the island') altho he has been getting more ruthless recently (e.g. throwing Mikhail into the sonic fence) so dunno how it all adds up.

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

I'm think I'm going to have to stop reading this thread, on the basis that (a) somebody's accidentally-OTM guesswork will spoil the season finale, and (b) I am thick and never see obvious things coming.

― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 4 May 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

FWIW I don't think Locke knew Mikhail would die (lol) when he threw him towards the fence, they thought it wasn't armed.

― nickalicious, Friday, 4 May 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

yeh i agree but it was still pretty ruthless even for the man of faith!

― blueski, Friday, 4 May 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

Guys!

Scroll down a little to read it but LOST to end in 2 more seasons.

― nickalicious, Friday, 4 May 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

so if the locke's test was real, what was Juliet's test? perhaps killing that guy on the beach she was sleeping with? that would mean the tattoo was the entrance into the club

― abanana, Friday, 4 May 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

she was never sleeping with him

― cutty, Friday, 4 May 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

Supposed spoiler from the Ben ep. rot13: Ebtre gur Jbexzna vf Ora'f qnqql. Qnqql vffhrf ntnva - Ora (abg Qunezn, nppbeqvat gb Zvxunvy), Ebtre (Qunezn fgbbtr).

I forget--how do I translate this?

― Jesse, Friday, 4 May 2007 21:56 (eighteen years ago)

I'm pretty okay with Lost ending in another two seasons, especially if it means that they can wrap things up properly and without rushing or dragging it out to the point where it starts to kind of suck a bunch of ass and make you forget why you used to really love the show (I'm looking directly and pointedl at you, David Chase...).

― Deric W. Haircare, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

the sopranos is still great

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)

I wish.

― Deric W. Haircare, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

I'm honestly watching out of a sense of obligation at this point. Which is pretty lame, but not as lame as having a Super-Sized final season made up mostly of filler.

― Deric W. Haircare, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

Paste it here: http://www.rot13.com and push the button.

(don't pudding spaz!)

xpost re translating rot13

― onimo, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

Locke's Dad was grebt.

I stole your kidney! I threw you out of a window and into a wheelchair! Now I'm gonna bite your fuckin hand!

You stole my Mum's money and killed my Dad yada yada SHRED!

― onimo, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

i don't remember who that person in the spoiler is

― akm, Friday, 4 May 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

oh i looked it up

― akm, Friday, 4 May 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

The flashback I want to see--

Ben shows Locke the ruins of an ancient civilization, worshippers of a four toed god, including a tomb with a mummy inside. We see scenes from the mummy's life--with Lost actors playing all the parts (in togas.) At episode's end the mummy comes back to life and bites Locke's hand.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 5 May 2007 05:50 (eighteen years ago)

― mulla atari, Saturday, 5 May 2007 05:58 (eighteen years ago)

Hey you think that the island still likes Locke because he already made a gesture of free will/commitment/sacrifice to the Island? By way of leading Boone to his death? Remember the island paralyzed him until he told Boone to get up to the plane.

― Roz, Saturday, 5 May 2007 06:16 (eighteen years ago)

He didn't know Boone was going to die though.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 5 May 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

Are Walt and Michael coming back?

― Jeff, Saturday, 5 May 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

amazing how long kevin tighe has been a part of my life. his second career as awesome bad-ass is such a thrill to watch. he's so good at it!

http://www.stuckinthe70s.com/images/teenworld0375emergency.jpg

― scott seward, Saturday, 5 May 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

Podcast says that Walt and Michael are coming back, iirc.

― Jesse, Saturday, 5 May 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

Off http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/:

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The arrow is Bali.

― Roz, Sunday, 6 May 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

oh bugger.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/dmbeternal/BaliMap.jpg

― Roz, Sunday, 6 May 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

and look where's half way along that route 4.815000, -162.342000

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=4.815000,+-162.342000&ie=UTF8&ll=4.740675,-162.421875&spn=97.650444,117.421875&z=3&iwloc=addr&om=1

― Alan, Sunday, 6 May 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

wow.

― Roz, Sunday, 6 May 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

i don't get it

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 6 May 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

oic. fuck. maybe that was kind of obvious!!!!!!!!!!

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 6 May 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe, but I'm still agog at the implications.

― Jenny, Sunday, 6 May 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

Ha. They crashland on Hawaii. And Lost is a reality show that they're unwittingly starring in. Jacob is going to be some network programmer. Or the host. I wish Richard Dawson were still alive.

― Deric W. Haircare, Sunday, 6 May 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

"on some Hawaiian island"

― Deric W. Haircare, Sunday, 6 May 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not getting it. so it's the middle of the ocean. but they were off course anyway. what am i missing?

― jergïns, Sunday, 6 May 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

the co-ordinates are teh numberz.

is the valenzetti equation or whatever it's called something mentioneed in the show or just on the lost lameperience?

i much prefer that the numbers are just a navigational aid. i want to know why the island has to be accessed by sumarine -- if it really does. quite hard to transport large things like all the metal used in the construction of the hatches by submarine.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

the co-ordinates are teh numberz.

L O V E

― jergïns, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

At moments like this I think 'fucking hell this is too well put together for words', then I remember the Paolo and Nikki episode.

― Matt DC, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

There's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the wreckage and bodies being found. The possibility existed for the plane to crash in Bali or to land safely, but Desmond's failure to press button ripped things open quantum physics-wise and created three realities--one where they all died, one where things went smoothly, and one where they ended up on the island. Occam's razor, people!

Isn't it much easier to assume that whoever is bankrolling Ben's group has the money and connections to fake the wreckage so that no one comes looking and stumbles upon the island? I mean, they've killed Juliet's husband and faked a car wreck to abduct Locke's dad. Why wouldn't they do that too?

― Mr. Perpetua, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

I love how "Desmond's failure to press button ripped things open quantum physics-wise and created three realities--one where they all died, one where things went smoothly, and one where they ended up on the island" counts as a "perfectly reasonable explanation" in Lostworld.

However it doesn't explain how Naomi crossed over from one reality to the other. Or where the hell this plane that supposedly arrived safely is. In other words, nah.

― Matt DC, Sunday, 6 May 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

why three realities?

― Ronan, Sunday, 6 May 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

What if this is all just another one of Bob Newhart's dreams?

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 6 May 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

"I'm Larry, this is my brother Darryl, and this is my OTHER brother Darryl"

― Sparkle Motion, Sunday, 6 May 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

I love how "Desmond's failure to press button ripped things open quantum physics-wise and created three realities--one where they all died, one where things went smoothly, and one where they ended up on the island" counts as a "perfectly reasonable explanation" in Lostworld.

:)

I just said to my wife "If you use the LOST numbers as coordinates you end up in the middle of the Pacific Ocean between Sydney and LA," and she said "Well that makes sense."

― onimo, Sunday, 6 May 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

However it doesn't explain how Naomi crossed over from one reality to the other. Or where the hell this plane that supposedly arrived safely is. In other words, nah.

-- Matt DC, Sunday, 6 May 2007 18:05 (1 hour ago)

otm. i think naomi said the plane was FOUR MILES deep and only robot cameras had seen it too.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 6 May 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

The robot cameras thing is what makes me think it was a set-up. There'd be no way to positively identify any bodies if they can't get them to the surface.

― jessie monster, Sunday, 6 May 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

i figured the robot cameras saw everyone sitting in their seats?

― cutty, Sunday, 6 May 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

a plane hitting the ocean would break up, even explode.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 6 May 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)

perhaps ben is a robot camera

― Ronan, Sunday, 6 May 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

that would be juliet

― abanana, Sunday, 6 May 2007 23:06 (eighteen years ago)

if juliet is a robot this show is better than i thought

― cutty, Sunday, 6 May 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

if juliet is a robot I look forward to the future

― Ronan, Sunday, 6 May 2007 23:18 (eighteen years ago)

would explain the blank stare she is always giving

― cutty, Sunday, 6 May 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

lol

― Rock Hardy, Monday, 7 May 2007 00:42 (eighteen years ago)

I love how "Desmond's failure to press button ripped things open quantum physics-wise and created three realities--one where they all died, one where things went smoothly, and one where they ended up on the island" counts as a "perfectly reasonable explanation" in Lostworld.

I was being sarcastic with the "perfectly reasonable" stuff--though it's not much less reasonable than the speculation I've seen on other boards. A lot of people seem to think Desmond is going to jump back in time and press the button, thus letting Oceanic 815 continue its journey. Adam & Eve are Desmond and Penny BTW.

― mulla atari, Monday, 7 May 2007 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

This is fantastic news - totally the best way to deal with it:

'Lost' set for three more years

* "Lost" will run three more seasons after the one that concludes this month.

* Each of the final three seasons will only contain 16 episodes, instead of the 23 or 24 produced for the first three seasons.

* The 16-episode seasons will run without repeats.

― Huey in Melbourne, Monday, 7 May 2007 07:28 (eighteen years ago)

In conjunction with the advance order, "Lost" showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have inked hefty new multi-year overall deals with ABC Television Studio to continue with the series until the end. Duo had made setting a wrap date for the show a condition for staying.

sounds like one serious negosh

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 7 May 2007 08:55 (eighteen years ago)

i'd rather have 24x2 than 16x3

― jergïns, Monday, 7 May 2007 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

well i rly likes the idea of 3x16, so hurrahs!

stop doing such long series americans telly.

― Alan, Monday, 7 May 2007 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

I guess they'll have more time for the writing. But will we still care in three years?

― mulla atari, Monday, 7 May 2007 09:10 (eighteen years ago)

I think we will, because now we know it's three years.

I love the "person" who has read the script for the season finale, who says "it will change everything". Thanks, person.

This is some great news. Not just for Lost, but hopefully for future U.S. shows. I am excited about the possible increased flexibility in telly formats that such a deal opens up (I R MEEJA STUDIES NERD).

― accentmonkey, Monday, 7 May 2007 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

i'd rather have 2x 24 :/

but this is a big load off.

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 7 May 2007 09:26 (eighteen years ago)

In Entertainment Weekly one of the creator dudes said that the season finale would fulfill a "promise we made in the pilot" and that we'd know what it was when it happened. I'm wondering what exactly was promised in the pilot. That we'd find out the location/nature of the island?

― mulla atari, Monday, 7 May 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

It would be sort of cool if they somehow restored Mikhail's cable connection and we see a broadcast from the mainland of Hurley being interviewed about how lucky he was to have just missed getting on that plane that crashed in Bali.

― mulla atari, Monday, 7 May 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

promise made in the pilot = "where are we?"

― cutty, Monday, 7 May 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

It would be sort of cool if they somehow restored Mikhail's cable connection and we see a broadcast from the mainland of Hurley being interviewed about how lucky he was to have just missed getting on that plane that crashed in Bali.

-- mulla atari, Monday, May 7, 2007 12:58 PM (54 minutes ago)

DO NOT WANT

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 7 May 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

http://a330.g.akamai.net/7/330/23382/20070506212952/www.variety.com/graphics/photos/_storypics/lost_2010.jpg

that picture makes me laugh

― blueski, Monday, 7 May 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

but ABC has all but said that the fourth season of "Lost" won't premiere until January or February of next year.

biggest gap yet ;_;

― blueski, Monday, 7 May 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

I'm actually wondering how much the actors will change over the next three years, when in LOST time it'll only be about a year or less even. Already, people have pointed out that in Sun's flashback, she's wearing a designer dress from a 2007 collection.

Especially key if they do bring Walt back, surely the kid playing him would be hitting adolescence sometime soon.

I suppose they might write in a massive time jump, which is unlikely but, for LOST won't be too surprising.

― Roz, Monday, 7 May 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

i'd rather have 24x2 than 16x3

DITTO THIS

Are they going to still have 2-hr season finales? I don't think it said.

― nickalicious, Monday, 7 May 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

i'm cool with 16x3. i remember them saying tho that they wanted to do around 100 eps but now they'll be doing 119.

the big crux is - do we want to see them all back in the 'real world', dealing with the 'aftermath' or having left the island. would this be interesting or would it damage the mystique too much? even two more normal length seasons worth of eps on the island feels like stretching things maybe too far.

― blueski, Monday, 7 May 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

They have to get back to the real world and find it a smoking post-apocalyptic ruin.

― Beth Parker, Monday, 7 May 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

Better yet: LOST IN SPACE

― David R., Monday, 7 May 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

16x3 is good if only cause it might reduce the number of filler episodes per season. Most of the characters don't need any more flashbacks anyway. Except maybe Sayid, Hurley, ROUSSEAU. Naomi will probably get a flashback at some point too.

― Roz, Monday, 7 May 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

16x3 > 24x2 cos 3>2 = 1 extra season finale

― Alan, Monday, 7 May 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

they should have done exactly 108 episodes.

― abanana, Monday, 7 May 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

Season finales are always the best episodes. They should just do one long season of finales.

― nickalicious, Monday, 7 May 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

In the in between time they should spin-off a 1/2-hour sitcom where Hurley and Sawyer sit around talking about girls and playing ping pong, with the one goofy beach set, canned laughter, etc.

― nickalicious, Monday, 7 May 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

stop doing such long series americans telly.

!! GET WRITERS WHO CAN WRITE MORE ENGLAND

L O S T is fast turning into the new sopranos with the short seasons long gaps thing.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 7 May 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

best idea yet, nick!

― dan m, Monday, 7 May 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

I agree, the Sawyer/Hurley show could be a great summer series.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, 7 May 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

as long as sawyer says "AH HELL, GRIMACE, AH SCREWED HER" every episode...

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 7 May 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

having to wait until February 2008 for s4 = ;_;

i also heard on local news this morning that they wrapped just this past saturday, not two weeks ago as I incorrectly assumed/reported upthread.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 7 May 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

OMG maybe they were bidding bon voyage to Dom @ that party! Bye dead Charlie, I loved u.

― nickalicious, Monday, 7 May 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

i spoke to people who said he and E. Lilly were separate all evening.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 7 May 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

stop doing such long series americans telly.

!! GET WRITERS WHO CAN WRITE MORE ENGLAND

GET WRITERS WHO CAN WRITE FUNNY ENGLAND
GET WRITERS WHO CAN WRITE CHARACTERS ENGLAND
GET WRITERS WHO CAN WRITE STORIES ENGLAND
GET WRITERS WHO CAN WRITE EMOTION ENGLAND
GET WRITERS WHO WILL CUT OUT WRITING CAMP LO-FI SCI-FI LAME BBC CROSS-PROMO BULLSHIT ENGLAND

― That one guy that quit, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Just caught up with this episode. I echo all the love.

Richard Alpert looks like Matt DC.

Naomi is hot. I think this island has a strange effect on my libido.

― Alba, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)

A 16-episode series is good in that it'll cut out some of the filler but actually also has some structural effects. It does affect how they're going to deal with the flashbacks - either they're going to cut down on the additional Jack/Locke/Kate flashbacks or they're constrained on how many new characters they can bring in, or they're going to have to do some serious killing.

Flashback characters still alive = Jack, Kate, Locke, Sawyer, Sayid, Charlie, Jin, Sun, Hurley, Desmond, Claire, Ben, Juliet. Even allowing for Charlie to die and Jin & Sun to share an episode that's not a lot to play around with, especially if Mike and Walt come back.

Except either Ben, Juliet or Desmond is going to die in this series. Probably one of the first two.

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:17 (eighteen years ago)

Richard Alpert looks like Matt DC.

I was waiting for someone to say that. No comment on whether Richard is having an effect on your libido.

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:19 (eighteen years ago)

The real Dr Richard Alpert is so Dharma Initiative.

― Alba, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:19 (eighteen years ago)

xxp:

by series do you mean in the next three episodes or the next three years?

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

I have met the real Richard Alpert!

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

I have met the real Matt DC!

― Alba, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

The real Richard Alpert looks a bit like my dad.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

You're going to hell.

― Alba, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

Well at least I know which numbers to use on the lottery next week.

― Matt DC, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

I still find it fucking cool that 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 24 won the Irish lottery.

― Alba, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

No, that's not right.

― Alba, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

Except either Ben, Juliet or Desmond is going to die in this series. Probably one of the first twop

i hope all three survive as they're all too key to proceedings and they're all too interesting to drop so soon i think. i would be disappointed if any of them left. they are saying more than one death coming up tho...

Tom has become kinda likeable/loveable but killing him off makes more sense, if less of a bombshell. presumably Mikhail will not be dying twice in one series...

― blueski, Monday, 7 May 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

3x16 fully appeals to the masochist in me: same number of episodes, and therefore the same storyline as 2x24, yet deliciously stretched out over another whole year! Having a definite end in (long)sight will definitely pique everyone's interest again - it's a brilliant idea.

― Huey in Melbourne, Monday, 7 May 2007 23:15 (eighteen years ago)

The end is still a long time away--the Year We Make Contact... As devoted as I've been to this show, I think I'd prefer they just wrapped it up in one no-holds-barred, winner-take-all standard US TV season.

― Sparkle Motion, Monday, 7 May 2007 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm not sure I have an opinion on 3x16 vs. 2x24, since my druthers would be for 1x24. I've just never encountered a tv series that didn't wear out its welcome with me within 4-5 years. (Buffy came closest, but I watched it all in reruns over the course of 2 years or so.) If Lost can be the first, more power to 'em, but I don't want to get to the end of season 6 and think "thank god that's finally over."

― Rock Hardy, Monday, 7 May 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think I've ever watched any serialized drama for as long (or as doggedly) as I've watched L O S T, come to think of it. Even X-files I missed a bunch of, & never did find out what the hell happened on it.

― Sparkle Motion, Monday, 7 May 2007 23:55 (eighteen years ago)

I know Warner Bros. doesn't own L O S T, but this would be a great way to finish the whole series:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/ThatsAllFolks.jpg

They could have Hurley pop out and say "Th-Th-That's All, Folks!"

― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

yet deliciously stretched out over another whole year!

Try "over another whole THREE years". 1x16/YEAR. Series to end in 2010.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 03:48 (eighteen years ago)

Oh wait nevermind I just parsed your post.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 03:49 (eighteen years ago)

"Parse My Post" like Pimp My Ride but for writings on Internet bulletin boards.

― Maria :D, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 04:23 (eighteen years ago)

Try "over another whole THREE years". 1x16/YEAR. Series to end in 2010.

For sure, I meant an extra year overall, in it being 3x16 as opposed to 2x24, i.e. 3 years instead of 2.

― Huey in Melbourne, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 05:57 (eighteen years ago)

Presumably this also means they can sign up all the key actors right until the last series ends, and therefore not have to flail about and ditch a load of plotlines when Matthew Fox or whoever decides to leave.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 08:55 (eighteen years ago)

i dunno, i was kinda hoping that matthew fox would leave and they'd get round it by revealing that "jack" had only ever existed in sawyer's imagination, a la "fight club". or something.

that might have left a couple of trailing ends, but hey.

― grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

" i was kinda hoping that matthew fox would leave and they'd get round it by revealing that "jack" had only ever existed in sawyer's imagination, a la "fight club". or something. "

still waiting for the season finale ~~gay~~game changer

― Alan, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

The more I think about it, the more I almost think they might actually have the stones to kill Jack in the finale. 1) The Sawyer as the new leader story is turning out not to just be a one-off funny b-plot but a full-on revenge-fulfilment and hopefully redemption story [see also: Indigo Montoya slaying the six-fingered man "have you ever considered pirating?"], 2) Matthew Fox is involved in lots of other stuff in the near future (incl the Speed Racer movie blugh), 3) why else have FOUR fucking Jack flashbacks in one season?

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

to have him killed half way would be some way to claw back the original idea to have him dead in the pilot

― Alan, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

There are only three Jackbacks in this series surely? The one with his tattoos, the one where he calls all weird stalky on his wife and the season finale, right? That's the same number as Locke flashbacks.

I would quite like them to kill Jack though.

to have him killed half way would be some way to claw back the original idea to have him dead in the pilot

??????

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

kill Jack, bring back Christian!

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

i loved it when someone was saying 'if you watch the opening scene it looks like Vincent is running THROUGH Jack' ha ha

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

Actually if they're not going to kill him, they could at least let Sayid torture him a little bit.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

"NO. I DO NOT DO THAT ANY MORE."

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

― Alan, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

It's not too late to kill him off now.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

Oh wait 3 flashbacks, u right.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

the big clue re killing off Jack is the whole building Sawyer up as a new leader figure i would say.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

but then again they're building up Jack n' Juliet welationship at same time.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

whatever i blame kate for everything

― cutty, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

get off jack's case

― cutty, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

has kate ever even slapped sawyer? what a dumbass

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

she definitely has slapped sawyer

― cutty, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

I'm quite looking forward to Sawyer and Sayid getting ready to team up and kick arse next week.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Britishes, when you say "series" do you mean "season"?

― jaymc, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

we say series for what you would call season generally yes

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

matt dc looks like richard alpert

i'm still working through the implications of this

― jergïns, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

the big clue re killing off Jack is the whole building Sawyer up as a new leader figure i would say.

Nah, Sawyer's much more likely to die next. He's got storyline closure! (dude he's wanted to kill all his life now killed). He's had personal growth! (Stopped being nasty to everyone all the time, really wubs kate). There's nowhere left for him to go but dead.

― JimD, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

maybe Sawyer dies in Others raid and an enraged Kate kills Juliet

then Jack will have a whole season of being pissed at her and they can finally bone sometime in 2009

― dmr, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

There's nowhere left for him to go but dead.

but then there would be no point Hurley touting him as 'new leader in the absence of Jack' a few eps back. i don't actually think they'll kill off Jack even tho they finally explained his tattoos which everyone was dying to know about and now that's sorted where else can he go...

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

I still think Jack found and killed his ex-wife's lover.

― abanana, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

one of JJAbrahams original concepts for the pilot ep was to kill off the guy that the show opened on. remember the close up on Jack's eye right at the start was "ok viewers, here's who you identify with... and now he's dead"

-- Alan, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:25 (6 hours ago)

am i being crazy or was it going to be alec baldwin?!

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

haha, it was supposed to be Michael Keaton but Alec Baldwin would've been better

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

Jack: Ben, what can I do for you?
Ben: I think we're way past that Jack. Let's be honest with each other, I'll go first. I'm gay and I want your job.
Jack: Ben, I'm straighter than you are gay, and I leave particles of guys like you in my wind. I'm not afraid of you.
Ben: Yeah? Well you should be.
Jack: Let's just see how it all shakes out in the meeting.
Ben: Yeah, let's.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

They have only "explained" half of Jack's tattoo. A second tattoo-centric flashback and also a huge reveal as to his magic-leadership-ness should be around the corner soon.

see also theory that baby aaron (who has jack's leadership blood) is really Ben in weird space/time continuum anomoly.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

Re: Jack. Am I tripping or did he get a new tattoo this season? First seen I think during the Jack/Tom American football bro down.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)

the Aaron is Ben thing is so stupid. funny tho.

there's some chat that Ben was lying when he said he'd lived on the island all his life.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

what he meant was that the island used to be a peninsula.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

there are a couple times where they fucked up having characters say "THIS ISLAND" when they were on hydra island.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

which characters? Jack didn't know there were two islands when he said 'this island' for example.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

yes but i seem to remember ben and Juliet doing so, and it never turned out they were purposefully being deceitful. it just was bad writing.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

It's only really two lines of dialogue from Ben in S3E2:

"Hi, my name is Benjamin Linus and I've lived on this island all my life."

"Your flight crashed on September 22nd, 2004. Today is November 29th. That means you've been on our island for 69 days."

― jaymc, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Ben wants Jack to think there's only one island so he says 'this island/our island'. seems reasonable.

― blueski, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

ben is a cylon too

― cutty, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)

I was suddenly reminded today - by seeing a marathon-runner on the streets, yes, that's how far it goes - that Jack and Desmond met off the island, no? Running steps in an empty stadium, season one? Has that scene ever been played out? Does Jack maybe know Penny (or Naomi, for that matter) for whatever reason?

― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

that was (so far) "just one of those unexplained coincidences", and those eps (opening and closing e02) were fkn awes.

the libby/des connection is the really intriguing thing though.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 23:18 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i want to see libby again

― jergïns, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 09:45 (eighteen years ago)

I peeked at the list of guest stars for the rest of the season and was pleased to see that Bernard and Rose will be in the last two episodes.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

Bernard & Rose RIP ;_;

― David R., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

I heard the creators said Rose and Jack won't die. I dunno if I believe the Jack side, but it's probably just wishful thinking. The fact that they specifically said "Rose won't die" makes me think Bernard definitely will.

Also they said something about "characters being named for a reason" in regard to Jacob and Jack, which makes me wonder if they are either connected or...the same person?

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

Bernard's the only Tailer left apart from Cindy (let's do a sweepstake on who's actually going to be the one to ask here what the hell her deal is having been a stewardess on the plane. i hope Hurley) right?

― blueski, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

Fuck, I was beginning to get excited about the potential for Jack to be killed. The Jacob/Jack connection fits in with the whole tattoo business, I guess ("He walks among us, but is not one of us").

― jaymc, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

Bernard's the only Tailer left apart from Cindy

+ the abducted children.

― onimo, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't Cindy have some link to Hanso/Dharma revealed in the LOST experience?

― onimo, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

I peeked at the list of guest stars for the rest of the season and was pleased to see that Bernard and Rose will be in the last two episodes.

who gives about shit about rose and bernard, jesus

― cutty, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

My mom.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

It's less about giving a shit about them as characters and more about being happy that the LOST creative team is able to keep those balls in the air.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

cutty otm

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

picturing the pleased look on jaymc's face when he discovers rose and bernard lost appearance

― cutty, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

Is Rose the last black character on the island?

― onimo, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

Um, if you don't count the black woman that just got there who is completely central to the plot.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

there is also black woman who had walt in the tent

― cutty, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

Ms Klugh - she's dead!

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

Mikhail shot her at the end of this exchange (orig in Russian):

Klugh: Mikhail. Mikhail! You know what to do.
Mikhail: We still have another way [out].
Klugh: We cannot risk it. You know the conditions.
Mikhail: There is another way.
Klugh: They captured us. We will not let them to get into the territory.
Klugh: You know what to do. That's an order.
Mikhail: We still have another way!
Klugh (in English): Just do it, Mikhail.
Mikhail: Forgive me. (shoots)

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

oh yes, now i recall this interaction

― cutty, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

There's also a black character among the Others: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Ivan

― jaymc, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

Um, if you don't count the black woman that just got there who is completely central to the plot.

Oh aye, forgot about her :)

Has Ivan even had a line yet?

Still, regardless of the latest arrival and the token black extra - with the departure of Walt and Michael, and the deaths of Mr Eko and Bea Klugh (omg Be A Clue - so bad) and with Rose being absent for all of S3 to date - it's fair to say there isn't much of a black presence on the show.

― onimo, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

Even with that being the case, it's not exactly like LOST is the Wonderbread hour.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

I know, I'm just pointing out that the black characters seem to be getting a raw deal (unless you count Michael becoming a murderer to get onto a boat a good deal).

― onimo, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

RACIST PLANE CRASH

― David R., Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

Walt being abducted, Michael becoming a killer, Eko being killed, Klugh being killed - all after the crash. Rose got rid of her cancer though, so that was nice - even if it has made her invisible.

― onimo, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

Not as a comment on race and Lost (although FWIW I think onimo has a good point) but just because I think this is a pretty smokin' photo and I know some people have the hots for Naveen Andrews:

http://www.feministe.us/blog/media/SAG_2006_VIP_Naveen_Andrews_c2006GrantWI.jpg

― Jenny, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

yaaaaaaoooooww

also whoever asked about Lost Experience revealing Cindy/DHARMA connection: no.

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

He looked downright pudgy in Grindhouse. (xpost)

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not totally dismissing onimo's argument out of hand, but I do want to point out that Eko died because the actor playing him had signed a contract to do that many episodes.

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

rock hardy otm. no facial hair makes him look like a fattie.

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

it's a plane from australia to the US so it might be a bit US-centric to expect a large black presence on the flight?

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

Everyone knows black people hate australia.

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

From Lostpedia re Cindy/Hanso link (tenuous, I know but...)

On September 16, 2004, 6 days before the crash, Gary Troup was interviewed by Laird Granger about his upcoming novel Bad Twin on Book Talk show #1523. Troup discussed, amongst other things, The Hanso Foundation, The Valenzetti Equation and his love for Cindy Chandler. So far, seven of nine parts of the interview have appeared on various websites in the Lost Experience.

(Gary Troup = sucked into engine guy from pilot ep)

― onimo, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

i hate lost experience

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

News at ten - some really bad shit has happened to almost everyone on the island. Except Rose, funnily enough.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

Also if Mike does come back he's totally in line for redemption in a series or two.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

Matthew Fox was on Leno last night and mentioned he had just done some shooting for LOST in LA the day before....

did i mishear and he was actually talking about a movie or is this the first time they have shot anything outside of Hawaii?

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

they couldn't have faked that london footage.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

uh...

― blueski, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

CGI lobsters on the CGI pier

― blueski, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

don't know anything about lost experience

― RJG, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure if a british tv show needed to re-create downtown Honolulu on the streets of London it would be spot-on.

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

well how come they can do Korea so well but not England (tho for all i know Korean fans of Lost are fuming about the inaccuracies as well)?

― blueski, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

because honolulu looks a lot more like korea than London?

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha lostpedia:

The Korean bridge that Sun crosses is labeled the Hangang Bridge over the Han River, which is in reality a much wider waterway than depicted in the episode.

― g®▲Ðұ, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)

it was more just the 'shoehorn in all these bizarro supposedly quintessential London references in every scene' thing.

Jin should've asked Sun if she fancied lobsters on the pier. Michael could've done the same with his ex in NYC. the possibilities are endless.

― blueski, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

OK I just watched ep 18 and 19 and am ignoring last few posts, lalala...

18 was awesome, poss the best Lost bit so far:
NaomiWorst ending ever
Hurley: "WAHT"
Me: Best ending EVAH!!

God I hate Juliette so much. Liked the bits where Ben or whoever hinted that the fertility stuff was just a kind of side-line and not the real major 4-toed reason for being on the island.

― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

Er that shouldve said
Naomi "They found the plane... and all the bodies..."
Me: Worst ending ever

etc

― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

re: Jack/Jacob

Wasn't there a rumor that someone got hold of a script or something that mentioned Jack #1 and Jack #2? Bad Twin.

― mulla atari, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)

there are a lot of answers in this episode. it's a good one.

― abanana, Thursday, 10 May 2007 01:02 (eighteen years ago)

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 10 May 2007 02:31 (eighteen years ago)

Great episode again -- "turn the tape over" was kind of lame, though.

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 10 May 2007 02:33 (eighteen years ago)

that was definitely the best episode of this season.

― funny farm, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

!

OTM.

― en i see kay, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:06 (eighteen years ago)

So much answered, so many new questions!

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

GAAAAH! I was walking by the ABC studios at 9:05 and they were playing LOST and I totally would have watched from the sidewalk but there was fucking construction making it inaudible! :(

I saw a baby.....

― Jesse, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:12 (eighteen years ago)

WOW WOW WOW

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:16 (eighteen years ago)

So, did anyone else see the flash of Jacob and think it was Tom? Was it Tom?

Also, for a good few seconds, I very seriously thought they were actually going to kill Locke. I'm extremely impressed that this show can do that.

― en i see kay, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

So how is Locke going to survive?
I didn't see any flash of Jacob.
Kohl guy hasn't aged much since Ben was a lad, has he?

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:24 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not too worried about Locke surviving, his island Wolverine powers should save him.

You couldn't see his face really at all, but I paused it with the DVR and it looked like Tom to me. I await the screencap brigade.

And yeah, there is definitely something way up with Batmanuel, even more so than we thought before.

― en i see kay, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:28 (eighteen years ago)

I'm definitely interested in the pre-Dharma origins and motivations of the Hostiles now.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9554/jacobis0.jpg

― abanana, Thursday, 10 May 2007 04:16 (eighteen years ago)

This episode scared me! I haven't gotten this wrapped up in Lost since we watched all of season one in, like, three weeks last summer and I was seeing Lost island every time I closed my eyes to go to sleep.

I'm not too worried about Locke surviving, his island Wolverine powers should save him.

PHEW. I hadn't thought of that (duh) and now I am relieved. He's not my favorite, but I don't want him to die! Especially because he's apparently heir to the throne of the King of the Other Others.

― Jenny, Thursday, 10 May 2007 04:42 (eighteen years ago)

Scott thinks Jacob will inhabit Locke's body.

― Maria :D, Thursday, 10 May 2007 04:44 (eighteen years ago)

hostiles == ghost pirates

― abanana, Thursday, 10 May 2007 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

I do like how the writers allow strong characters lapses of weakness -- this week it's Kate who comes off dumb but Lock who comes off strong. That has been reversed in other episodes.

I'm surprised at how ineffective the mass grave was. It should have really spooked me, but it didn't.

― Maria :D, Thursday, 10 May 2007 04:47 (eighteen years ago)

Jacob's last name is KRISTOFFERSON.

Also, Iron Rule of TV Drama #47863, if anybody says "I'm sorry" to you, run like hell, because they're about to shoot you.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 04:56 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, that still is already gone due to bandwidth limits.

Anyway, I just remembered that Kris Kristofferson lives in Hawaii. Maybe he's on for season 4 as Jacob.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 05:19 (eighteen years ago)

OMG THIS EPISODE.

Richard is immortal! Apparently, the Hostiles have an unlimited supply of eyeliner!

And Ben's little girlfriend was adorable.

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 05:58 (eighteen years ago)

HOW MANY TOES DOES ALPERT HAVE?

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 10 May 2007 06:04 (eighteen years ago)

i think ben can only see jacob (they were talking with sign or something) and locke can only hear him!! they need eachother!

― chaki, Thursday, 10 May 2007 06:04 (eighteen years ago)

Ben can hear Jacob - "You keep talking over him!"

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 06:06 (eighteen years ago)

I'm surprised at how ineffective the mass grave was. It should have really spooked me, but it didn't.

Maybe because we already saw the Jonestown-like camp. And in reality they probably would have dug it half as deep and use that saved energy to cover it with the removed dirt.

For a second I thought Ben was going to take Locke to his dad's old van to "show him where he came from," and then go psycho when it wasn't there any more (because Charley, Hurley, Sawyer went joyriding in it) and Locke tells him he's full of shit.

Great episode all around, this must be the game-changer.

― nickn, Thursday, 10 May 2007 06:24 (eighteen years ago)

Is Jacob just Locke in a wig?

― Dan I., Thursday, 10 May 2007 07:53 (eighteen years ago)

If for nothing else, this episode is good for at least somehow justifying that crappy Hurley, Charlie, Jin driving and beer episode.

― Gukbe, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:38 (eighteen years ago)

Great episode. I love that Ben's dad was Roger and that Dharma had a whole fleet of VW vans, bloody hippies.

The Locke/Benry show continues to be great, Locke really seemed to have the upper hand for the most of this ep and then oops! into the mass grave you go. It would be amazing if he died but nah. Meanwhile Jack is my least favourite character now more than ever.

So did Ben's little girlfriend get purged too? He is one cold guy.

― Archel, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

If for nothing else, this episode is good for at least somehow justifying that crappy Hurley, Charlie, Jin driving and beer episode.

u wrong

― David R., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

I thought this episode was horrible.

― Jeff, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

Whats the deal with the grain sandy stuff surrounding Jacob's house? Has he been trapped by Ben in some Ghostbusters shit?

xpost - only thing I thought was strange was the whole ghost jacob stuff but I did enjoy the episode overall.

― MaGoGo, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

HOLY SHIT

I thought grainy stuff was ashes. . .

Locke not dead? I really hope not. . .

I also saw a flash of someone in Jacob's shack but haven't looked to internet nerdism to figure out who it might be.

So do you think maybe Ben fulfilled some sort of prophacy the "hostiles" had about a leader murdering his father then joining them, etc. And then perphaps Locke was forecast as the second coming of this prophecy. This would be why Ben tried to kill him as he's a power freak and doesn't want to be eclipsed. Perhaps this is obvious to everyone and my morning-shower theories are boring.

And I hate Jack more than ever. Arrogant fuck. If he didn't have doctor-y skills I'd say Sayid and Sawyer should kill him and be done with it.

Ben is a cold-blooded bastard the way he just sat there while he father suffered an agonizing death.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

Well his father was a total piece o' shit. All that blaming him for his mom's death. HEY, how about that MOM sighting!
AND WHO WERE BATMANUEL'S PEOPLE?????? Mittelos? What was printed on the poison gas can?
You screen-cap folks have your work cut out for you. I have to go to work now, but when I return I WANT SOME ANSWERS!!!!

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

also, and not lost-related, but did they cancel notes from the underbelly? that show was actually funny and had Rachel Harris on it which made it immediately classic. there was some shitty george lopez rerun on instead. not that it was the best lead-in to lost but whatever.

― akm, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

I had to resort to the lost wiki for the first time ever just to keep up with all the craziness that's going on. I didn't realise what a big deal Jacob was before, nor how often he had been mentioned.

― Gukbe, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

old richard alpert wasn't wearing mascara, though

― cutty, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I like that the question now isn't so much who is Jacob as WTF IS JACOB!?!?. I'm sure Locke will survive and that it will involve Jacob but that is quite the cliffhanger of an ending.

Incredible episode. I loved the tension back in beachtown, and I bet whatever Jack & Jules were up to has something to do with Danielle & her case of dynamite. Roger/Ben's story was much more tragic than I expected. And WTF why was Samantha Mathis in this only to play such a small part (or is it?!)?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

I bet Annie's not dead, btw.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

the kid that played ben had his mannerisms and ticks down, it was awesome

― akm, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

OMG GUYS JACOB IS ACTUALLY JEFF THE DUDE LEBOWSKI!!!!

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

I bet Alex finds Locke & saves him.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

the part where locke beats up mikhail -- i love that tom is in the background, casually sipping out of a coffee cup. no biggie. wha'eva. sigh. huh?

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if everybody kind of hates Mikhail. Didn't one of them say something smart-ass to him when he came running up into camp?

Also it's a good thing for the beach people Locke was so determined, otherwise whatever Jack's plan was would've been fucked.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

I seriously just want to injure Jack "King of the Island" and Kate. "I told Jack 'cause she was hurt!" LIAR.

Also Jack totally knew what Juliet was up to the entire time, not after she found out Sun conceived on-island.

I really liked how Sawyer looked all uncomfortable before he played Kate the tape, it was really appropriate considering it really implies she's knocked up.

I am going to be really bummed if it just turns out they are trapped on Ghost Island or some shit.

I kind of wonder if Mikhail WAS DHARMA, and somehow survived the purge (he seems pretty self-preservation oriented), and that's why no one else in the camp really likes him. Also he's kind of crazy.

I'd give at least 3 to 1 odds that Locke isn't really dead.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

Not necessarily, because if we're to believe Jack & Juliet, she would've just brought the tape recorder back to the beach with her once it was returned by Ben. x-post

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, also, I know people say salt can be used to constrain the movement of ghosts--is there a similar superstition about ash? That was what I thought of when I saw it.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

Well his father was a total piece o' shit. All that blaming him for his mom's death.

My father's a total piece of shit and while I've often fantasized about how I could kill him it wouldn't be possible for me to sit next to me while he suffered a sputtering bloody death from the gas I just gave him. I think Ben is a sociopath.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

so jacob is the island, i think, a character that has been pervasive -- especially to locke -- since the very beginning. and so locke is jacob -- that screenshot seals it -- and he will be the new person whom the island speaks through. this has been ben's role up until now, as the most special person on the island.

i am thinking also about how ben heard the whispers and saw an island manifestation -- we also know that hurley (his imaginary friend), jack (his dad), kate (the horse) and ekko (his brother) also saw these. we also know that the others tried to take all of these people. seeing someone = a strong connection with the island, and for whatever reason that's what ben is seeking.

in terms of walt's powers, that he can make things happen, maybe it was an attempt to harness the island's seemingly infinite powers through a conscious being? the island definitely seems to have a will of its own.

― YGS, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

wow...how weird did that get. I can't believe they actually went for something so downright supernatural and well, kinda stupid. though I did enjoy it.

was that ashes around Jacob's cabin? did anything trigger the flash where Jacob was seen? the torch?

I also think Ben is kind of a lunatic. And he looks the part too. I have to say I enjoyed Locke beating up that rat-weasel Mikhail. They all probably hate him cos he stinks of body odour.

― Ronan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

oh btw i also thought the "ashes" were gunpowder.

― YGS, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

Whyever they hate him, it's probably why he had to be Mr outsider Flame station lonelyman.

I really liked how Sawyer looked all uncomfortable before he played Kate the tape, it was really appropriate considering it really implies she's knocked up.

YES me too.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't think Jack was actually part of Jacob's list, or something like that.

Off to the Lost Wiki.

― Gukbe, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah me either. . .but I'm not the best Lost nerd so I could be wrong.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

Jack is not part of Jacob's list. Also Locke hasn't seen any manifestations along the lines of Christian, etc.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

Those are the two things that really puzzle me.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

well he saw his father. which I still don't fully understand.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

but jack was one of the ones kidnapped -- altho i guess that was simply for ben's surgery. and no, locke hasn't had manifestations: his power and his belief are much deeper. he doesn't need apparitions to believe in the island.

― YGS, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

the kid that played ben had his mannerisms and ticks down, it was awesome

Yeah i thought that was great! the first scene with hippie Alpert - young Ben was totally bug-eyed. Also, Heroes fans: the kid is also the mutant (with his parents) that Bennett was protecting in the Five Years Gone episode.

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

The scene with the Others simply letting Locke beat Mikhail up and not listening to Ben - these guys know that Ben is threatened by Locke, right? I think the whole deal with Locke being "special" is that the original hostiles has always had one person who could communicate with the Island god, Jacob. When Ben arrived, he was that person. Until Locke came.

I think Ben brought Locke up to see Jacob to prove a point - that Ben and only Ben could communicate with Jacob. But he got proven wrong - Locke heard Jacob speak, and that makes Locke a threat. He had to be killed or else Ben was going to lose his position as leader.

nickalicious: i think you might be right about Annie dying at 7 months. Maybe it's a curse on Ben, and something that he's been trying really hard to reverse. So he brings in people like Juliet and others to help with "fertility issues" which Alpert, who's been there from the start doesn't like, because it takes away from some greater purpose. Essentially, they're starting to see Locke as their new leader.

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm, yes...which might mean Tom or Richard could be the one to pull Locke out of the pit, instead of Alex. But it makes more sense for Alex to do it. She doesn't have a beach raid to prepare for, and might be interested in trailing Ben and Locke.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

Also I think we are guaranteed another Ben flashback/Ben not to die with this ep, we HAVE to see how his leadership/relationship with Jacob was established, as well as the obvious Annie-gets-pregnant-and-dies ep (this could all be in one ep though I guess).

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

I think Alex has taken an interest in John beyond everyone else's though: since Sayid mentioned her mother she probably feels inclined to help these people out because she knows they can and will give her answers.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I think she'll rescue Locke. Somehow or other, Alex has always helped the Losties, she's also helped Claire, Kate, Sawyer and Jack.

Another thing we don't know: What did Jacob say to Ben while they were in the shack?

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

Just occurred to me, did Ben and Rousseau have freaky jungle sex? Or is Alex just Ben's adopted daughter?

― Ronan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

Supposedly Rousseau was pregnant when she got to the island, so Alex can't be Ben's biological daughter, if Rousseau's story is true and she wasn't brainwashed in Karl's bad drum n bass room.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

What did Jacob say to Ben while they were in the shack?

Not a dang thing, I'm guessing.

I don't believe Alex is Ben's biological offspring. Ben's probably a 40-year-old virgin.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

The pylons: originally they were used to keep the Hostiles out, rather than wild animals, surely?

But the Others used the fence to keep out the smokemonster. How does Smokey fit into all this?

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

is it possible Ben can't actually speak to Jacob at all? And just has used various others to do so? But had to pretend he can to trick Locke? Maybe this is why this "help me" is so disconcerting for Ben.

― Ronan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

The pylons: originally they were used to keep the Hostiles out, rather than wild animals, surely?

But the Others used the fence to keep out the smokemonster. How does Smokey fit into all this?

I think they built the fence specifically to defend against smokey. I don't really have anything to back that up with though, just a hunch.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

I was also wondering whether maybe there really is no Jacob (even though we saw him for a split second). Maybe Locke was right and "help Me" was Ben all along and he's just a voice-altering schizo.

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

that doesn't explain the crazy shaking though.

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

OMG, SO GREAT!

Apart from being amazing plotwise, there were loads of bits in that ep which were generally very creepy. I kept alternating between shivvers and jumping-around-in-my-seat excitement!

If Ben's so fearful of Jacob and his wrath, then what was with him yelling "THAT'S ENOUGH, YOU'VE HAD YOUR FUN!" in Jacob's face? Doesn't seem to fit.

Also love the fact that a bit of beach-based plot which has taken weeks to build up was quite suddenly resolved in a very small number of very short scenes.

― JimD, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

jacob is ben's hostage, needs locke to rescue.

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

That's what I was thinking, Ai Lien. Might explain the significance of that powder.

I thought there was a scientific explanation for everything on this show, and even though I figured that went out the window with a lot of things, an invisible dude seems pretty fargone.

Also, I suppose, the smoke monster, but that was there back when the writers were still saying it.

― Gukbe, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe he needs light or electricity to become visible.

― Roz, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

The question is: if DHARMA knew that there were hostile forces on the island (ie, Smokey, Hostiles), why are they sending people to the stations and delivering beer to them in VW buses beyond the fence in the middle of the jungle? I guess the hatches offer some sort of protection, but it can't be that much. Ben's dad (aka Uncle Rico) was talking about being shot at, but why aren't they making deliveries under a lot more protection?

Another question: are Richard Alpert and hostile crew connected to the shipwreck?

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

Another question: are Richard Alpert and hostile crew connected to the shipwreck?

One theory I read on LostWiki earlier today was that they were the descendents of the shipwreck survivors, or perhaps the same ones, only for some reason they never age because the island has the majiks.

― Gukbe, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, if you think about it, when Ben first met Richard out in the jungle as a boy, he looked a little more "19th Century" than he did a hippie.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

kick ass episode! it's nice to see yet another character have major daddy issues.

― BATTAGS, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

I'm really looking forward to Locke coming back to ruin Ben.

― Mr. Perpetua, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

I bet Alex gave Locke the gun because everyone Ben has taken to see Jacob before has not come back, and when he DOES come back everybody's gonna be all LOCKE U R TEH CHOSEN 1 and Ben will finally completely flip.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

He's going to wig out like William Macy finally does at the end of Fargo.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

i'm thinking that stuff is ash, they were discussing volcanoes in class.

this was a good ep, the hour swung by so quickly!

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

It always does. Lost is like this book I don't want to put down but I'm only allowed to read one chapter a week. :( I dread the end of the season. . .

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

WTF why was Samantha Mathis in this only to play such a small part

lol i thought this too

― jergïns, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

why does money (aka supplies) still flow into the island, so long post-dharma?

― jergïns, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

great episode, so many questions, so much to re-read, to understand.

loved locke kicking the shit out of mikhail.

― jergïns, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

I'm kinda hoping that they don't come back to Locke til the season premiere. It'd be cool to have the audience unsure about his fate for all those months! Also, it'd be a great place to start the season since it'd be ridiculous to have two Jack flashbacks in a row.

― Mr. Perpetua, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

i thought gunpoweder too, somebody otm.

― jergïns, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

btw i have a hell of a crush on Olivia - Teacher

― jergïns, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

why does money (aka supplies) still flow into the island, so long post-dharma?

That's a really good question. I think the destruction of the comm station may yet play a role, if Dharma starts wondering why the island team has suddenly stopped calling for food drops.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

I hope this season ends with the Others & 815ers killing the dick out of each other on the beach and all of a sudden they hear this noise and here comes resurrected super-Locke totally fucking surfing the smoke beast out of the jungle and there's a volcano erupting behind him and an army of polar bears and then Tom points up and is all "well how bout that, he's the CHOSEN ONE".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

Then he points a finger at Naomi's rescue ship and it explodes and then it rains Twinkies.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

Hurley's going to run someone through with a sharp stick and spend the next season wondering what kind of monster he's become.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

"I killed a guy with a harpoon."

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

lostpedia bringing it:

-Both Ben and Locke have mothers named Emily.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

oooooohhh:

In the bible story, Jacob's sons (one of whom was named Ben) took thier brother Josephs coat of many colors and shoved him into a ditch because they were jealous of the fact that Jacob favored Joseph...much like how BEN shot Locke and he fell into a ditch out of jealousy that Jacob spoke to Locke.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 4356 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

haha, wow

Has it been mentioned somewhere back in those 4356 messages that Michael Emerson's real-life wife played Ben's mother in this?

xpost man they are really laying into this biblical shit

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

here's how i see the next three seasons going:

-losties v. others (or nu-hostiles) FITE
-losties win
-losties become nu-others/hostiles/natives
-locke is nu-ben
-naomi's affiliates arrive, but carry some kind of threat
-losties try to purge thier rescuers just like hostlies purged dharma.
-they fail and die on island

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

-naomi peeps are nu-other/hostiles/natives
-zombies.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

I think Naomi's people will end up being some kind of threat to them, but more immediate, in such a way that this season will end with the Losties & Others having to unite.

I hate to think that we won't see Locke again until Feb 08 but that does seem very likely.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

"Skipping 4356 messages at this point" this makes seeing this on torrent a pain.

ok. they've continued to masquerade as dharma so that the off-island bit of dharma continues with supply drops etc... ffwd and locke blows up the communications station so dharma send someone to investigate. so when mikhail tells them someone has parachuted on island from a boat 100andX km away provoking much worry.

also. WAHEY. blimmin great stuff. ben is an nutjob and we were totally set up to think he was going all psycho on us (i mean they even have anthony perkins lookalike Alpert there) but looks like not.

so did the "next time on lost" trailer spoiler Locke's fate?

― Alan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

Ummm...is it a spoiler if one of the exec producers has already said that's not going to happen? (xpost)

so did the "next time on lost" trailer spoiler Locke's fate?
No.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

what age is Alpert now, and how old when he first appeared to ben? we thought he looks younger now - but that could be the hippy dirtyness

― Alan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

WAR NOW PLZ

― Alan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

Alpert does not age.

compared to how ben and his dad age in the same ep, its obvious.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Alpert is a ZOMBIE CLONE

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

I was definitely hoping that Ben would actually be crazy. Instead we have an invisible man. Great ep tho - the way this series is converging to it's climax is superb.

― tpp, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

OMG Ben asks Richard at one point something like "do you still remembers birthdays?" does this mean they are all hundreds of years old?

― Alan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

i thought there were hundred of alpert's running around

― cutty, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

if the island is keeping alpert young, then how or why would he travel to portland

― cutty, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

alpert wasn't in portland. 'horace' was the guy in the car at the start who recruits roger

― Alan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

ok so this is rambling but i was thinking about this at the gym:

i think jacob was the captain of the black rock ship. i think he crashed there many years ago -- hence the appearance of locke-as-jacob and the distrust of technology. i think that he had a strong affinity for the island, and like locke, was called to it, became one with it.

that strong connection has enabled him to change his appearance -- or have none if he so chooses. he has adopted a mystical quality. to support this i think of the jacob name -- in the bible story (and here i am probably going to misremember), jacob deceives his blind father by pretending to be his favored brother esau before killing him. he can appear to be someone else; you also need to have "sight" -- in this case be one with the island -- to really perceive who he is.

and so maybe now he manifests himself as locke. or maybe it's whoever he talks to. or maybe, as maria posited, he will inhabit locke. in any event, that's where i see it going.

and i definitely think that walt's importance is that he can actually DIRECT the island's powers. i think that's what the experiments were.

finally, while it's true that locke never had an apparition come to him, he took it 1000 steps further, and BROUGHT HIS ACTUAL FATHER to the island.

― YGS, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

No, but Alpert recruited Juliet. x-post

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

the scans that alpert showed to juliet when he was trying to recruit her

"Juliet assesses that it is a human womb, and judging by the scan, most likely of a barren patient in her 70s. However, she is told that the woman is in fact just 26 years old, and that she could find out why if she worked with them"

annie?

― Alan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

Alpert was in Portland though in Juliet's flashback.

I can't wait til the whispers-transcribers get ahold of whatever Ben heard (previous whispers transcriptions here).

xposts

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

self x-post. yr right, sorry i had forgotten that THAT was in portland too!

― Alan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

(hmm, no couldn't be annie at 26)

― Alan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

To change direction slightly, in the 'next week' bit Desmond told Charlie he was going to have to die this time. How's he gonna get it, you think?

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

I felt like they were strongly implying in the previous episode that Locke's dad was brought to the island by The Others via their connections in Florida.

― Mr. Perpetua, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, there were clear parallels between how they killed Juliet's husband (a manufactured car accident), and the way they brought Juliet to the island (a shot that made the person black out until they arrived on the island). They needed to bring Locke's dad to the island for their perverse sacrament, and they needed to con Locke into believing that he magicked his dad on to the island.

― Mr. Perpetua, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm not sure that Locke manifested his father's presence on the island. The Others seem to be able to get people in and out of that place.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

Perpetua otm.

switching gears: how many people have realized their off island connections on island so far?

-Sawyer/Locke realizing Dad/Real Sawyer same guy
-jack and desmond (jogging in stadium)
-sawyer maybe realizing he had a drink with jack's dad?

???

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

Interesting that the major theme that's emerging as this season progresses is that of children killing their parents, intentionally or not.

― Mr. Perpetua, Thursday, 10 May 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

how many people have realized their off island connections on island so far?

-Sawyer/Locke realizing Dad/Real Sawyer same guy
-jack and desmond (jogging in stadium)
-sawyer maybe realizing he had a drink with jack's dad?

I keep waiting for the episode when Jin is all "OMG Hurley you were on the tv in Seoul for like 2/10ths of a second when I beat this man senseless in front of his daughter".

― nickalicious, Thursday, 10 May 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

He'll say it in Korean and Hurley and Desmond will just shrug as if to say "haw haw you're such a wacky non-English speaker!"

Unless they kill Jin in the finale*, I would definitely like for them to make him a bit more than Korean Chewbacca in the next season.

* I've been anticipating this since the second episode of season three!

― Mr. Perpetua, Thursday, 10 May 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

DDK cannot die. I would contemplate not watching for a few minutes in protest.

― Gukbe, Thursday, 10 May 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

jack is claire's sister too OMG

― cutty, Thursday, 10 May 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

i mean brova

― cutty, Thursday, 10 May 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

I also feel Jacob is probably connected to the Black Rock somehow.

What I don't get is, if Jacob is supposedly favouring Locke, why did he freak out and smash shit?

― Ronan, Thursday, 10 May 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

Everyone above OTM about the greatness of this episode.

Was I the only one who was repeatedly reminded of Colonel Kurtz (Brando in Apocalypse Now), when seeing Locke this episode? He's got the looks allright, but the sheer power he seems to have gained so fast in the Others-camp is almost intimidating.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 10 May 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

after the voice says "help me" the face we see is Locke's right? i thought it was Tom-like at first too, weird.

i do hope Alex saves Jon - but not before Jacob has possessed him

can't believe Mikhail took that beating off Locke

meant to say last week but Locke carrying his dead Dad made me think of Tales Of The Black Freighter. Locke must STINK by now - guess he's in good company.

we didn't get much reaction from kate re "austen's sample"

guess we'll have to wait a long time for explanation of ageless Alpert tho (and the whispers)

PS nickalicous you make me laugh til i cough and it hurts

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 23:05 (eighteen years ago)

I can't believe anyone has said this yet, but if you look at screen caps of Richard Alpert 40 years ago notice the pirate-ware.

Arg I sense some buccaneer clothes.

Hence, he's REALLY old.

Oh and if you look at screen caps of the powder it looks like it's laid in a circle around the cabin:

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

― MaGoGo, Thursday, 10 May 2007 23:55 (eighteen years ago)

i thought Rousseau was meant to be in all of these remaining eps bah

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)

we didn't get much reaction from kate re "austen's sample"

she probably knows most people on the beach dont know her last name is austen.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

Also, can we now safely assume everyone Dharma is dead?

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 11 May 2007 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

i doubt it!

she probably knows most people on the beach dont know her last name is austen.

really? wouldn't they all be familiar with the flight manifest by now?

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

was just wondering about the "purge".

are we meant to believe that the natives/hostiles didn't know about the hatch where the button was pressed (forget which one was which) and hence some dharma people survived down there, isolated from everyone and waiting for further orders?

seems to make good sense. then ben found about that hatch and was shocked.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 May 2007 00:16 (eighteen years ago)

― Gukbe, Friday, 11 May 2007 00:36 (eighteen years ago)

I can't believe anyone has said this yet, but if you look at screen caps of Richard Alpert 40 years ago notice the pirate-ware.

Yes someone did upthread.

Also what is Richard's real goal here? He knows Locke didn't actually murder his dead since he gave him Sawyer's file. I want to know what he knows and what he's trying to do.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 11 May 2007 01:16 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the reason he wanted his dad dead was to both free Locke of his past and also to prove to Ben and everyone he could do it. The latter was just Ben's games, and he knew it, so he didn't care whether Locke or Sawyer did it. Obviously he's much older and so probably has his own plan/endgame/whatever, and Ben is just a part of it. Maybe?

Apparently Ben (well, the guy who plays him) was only contracted for three episodes initially, but they liked him so much they kept him on. I guess either the writers really are making up every aspect as they go along, or perhaps Ben was just a way of stretching things. I think it's a good chance he'll be dead by the end of the season. Maybe sacrificed and thrown into the volcano!

― Gukbe, Friday, 11 May 2007 01:41 (eighteen years ago)

apologies if someone beat me to this: i re-watched the ep and Ben goes out of his way to verrrry carefully step over the ash/gunpowder/etc.

― smash your phonograph in half, Friday, 11 May 2007 01:59 (eighteen years ago)

SYPIH who r u?

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

at any rate, OTM:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RkKgsJsh6hI/AAAAAAAAFSU/247nngZE8vA/s1600-h/jacobshousepowder.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 02:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RkKgsJsh6hI/AAAAAAAAFSU/247nngZE8vA/s1600-h/jacobshousepowder.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 02:49 (eighteen years ago)

er,

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RkKgsJsh6hI/AAAAAAAAFSU/247nngZE8vA/s1600-h/jacobshousepowder.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 02:49 (eighteen years ago)

Going on the official podcasts, I get the sense that they had an idea of what the Ben figure would be like in terms of his goals and ambitions, and when they found Michael Emerson, they tailored it to him because they knew he was a compelling actor who had excellent chemistry with Terry O'Quinn.

― Mr. Perpetua, Friday, 11 May 2007 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, elaborating on that a bit, it seems that they have all the island "mythology" worked out, but they leave enough loose so that they can adjust and improvise depending on various outside factors, and to keep it interesting for themselves as a group of writers.

― Mr. Perpetua, Friday, 11 May 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

Could the 'purge' be the 'incident' alluded to in the orientation videos? were they informed of the gassings and that's why they thought they had to put the protection gear on when going out, only Carnivale General figured out that it was all fine outside, and whatever the poison was it wore off quickly, as the hostiles knew?

I'm awfully confused.

no that sounds about right

hostiles killed all above ground but didn't know about certain hatches maybe?

so a few original dharma like radzinsky survived ... kept getting reinforcements with the food drops ... and an updated message from dr. marvin candle ... etc.?

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 03:51 (eighteen years ago)

sorry if people have said any of this stuff but I didn't watch this until today and I don't wanna load 5000 messages

so why does Ben lie and say he was born on the island? I can't decide if he lied and built himself up as this charismatic leader or if he's just a figurehead for Alpert & Jacob the o.g. pirates

Jacob might be "Magnus Hanso"? (Black Rock Final Resting place of Magnus Hanso from the map)

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 03:56 (eighteen years ago)

ohgod i'm at 28 min in and have to stop watching b/c i am scared! of a tv show! i guess i'll have to wait until morning :/

― rrrobyn, Friday, 11 May 2007 03:59 (eighteen years ago)

IT'S GONNA REACH UP BEHIND THE COUCH AND GETCHA

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:10 (eighteen years ago)

lol rrrrobyn

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:18 (eighteen years ago)

I thought 'the incident' referred to something that made them put in the 108 mins button in the Swan, seems like it's completely unrelated to the purge?? i dunno.

― Roz, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)

i have had an intense week

― rrrobyn, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I though the incident involved whatever was sealed up behind a thick wall of cement in the hatch, that caused magnetic anomalies, etc.

You know, that's the one thing in the whole show that I'd like to find out about the most, what was sealed up back there.

xpost

― Dan I., Friday, 11 May 2007 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

I might just be all curious about that for personal reasons though, since the first episode I ever watched was the one where Sayid was crawling around in the sub-basement of the hatch, and they showed someone's metal necklace getting pulled towards that cement wall.

― Dan I., Friday, 11 May 2007 04:51 (eighteen years ago)

I thought 'the incident' referred to something that made them put in the 108 mins button in the Swan

I dunno, on the marvin candle tape it said something like "do not use the computer to contact the outside world, we do not want another ... incident." sounds like advice to protect the hatch from being infiltrated?

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 05:22 (eighteen years ago)

via lostpedia: The Incident was first mentioned in the Swan Orientation Film. Dr. Marvin Candle mentioned that there was "an incident" which resulted in the creation of a protocol that required a code to be entered every 108 minutes.

hostiles killed all above ground but didn't know about certain hatches maybe?

Surely Ben would know. He certainly knew about the Pearl, as he and Roger went to deliver things there, just before his dad got gassed. And the Pearl had cameras to all the other hatches.

― Roz, Friday, 11 May 2007 05:28 (eighteen years ago)

Going back to season 2, does this explain anything about why Ben told Locke that he never pressed the button? It seems now like a deliberate attempt by Ben to get Locke to lose his faith. Was he trying to kill Locke then too - by getting Locke to blow up the hatch? Maybe he didn't count on Desmond having the failsafe key...

― Roz, Friday, 11 May 2007 05:36 (eighteen years ago)

What I don't get is, if Jacob is supposedly favouring Locke, why did he freak out and smash shit?

hi sorry to post but imo, jacob didn't freak out bcuz of flashlight, it was just coincidence. jacob freaked out and smahed stuff bcuz Bald Wanker was just about to let the cat out of the bag re:"help me" and wanted to stop him giving the game away to benry. imo imo imo imo. kk bai.

― g-kit, Friday, 11 May 2007 07:44 (eighteen years ago)

dmr said: so why does Ben lie and say he was born on the island? I can't decide if he lied and built himself up as this charismatic leader or if he's just a figurehead for Alpert & Jacob the o.g. pirates

I don't think Ben was really lying about this, it kinda explained itself atthe end imho. He probably feels he was really born - or reborn - on the island. His father didn't give a shit about him, his mother was dead. When he saw his mother, broke away from the Others, he probably for the first real time found people - Alpert etc. - who accepted him in their midst. That could be seen as being born by Ben. Accepted, liberated etc.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 11 May 2007 08:14 (eighteen years ago)

Wasn't there some point where it emerged for certain that Ben didn't know about the button? I know we discussed this before.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 May 2007 08:23 (eighteen years ago)

is this the first time we've heard the words 'natives' and 'original inhabitants' in an episode? i'm thinking so.

also omg and can't believe it's gone unmentioned (i guess that means it's a good episode if there's still more to say): roger workman, "we're drivin' back from the plane and we hear this huge explosion..."

uh, a plane? this is something we've speculated about since forever, yeah? sure the jungle could have eaten the airstrip by now, but there was one.

― jergïns, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:19 (eighteen years ago)

Smokey is totally going to suck the bullet out of Locke.

Was I the only one who was repeatedly reminded of Colonel Kurtz (Brando in Apocalypse Now), when seeing Locke this episode?

No! When they got to the cabin I thought, okay, here we are, upriver finally.

― jergïns, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

jergins - driving back from THE FLAME.

― Roz, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:25 (eighteen years ago)

so, gas masks. a few episodes ago ben gave juliet a gas mask that looked exactly like his old gas mask. purge II on the way? would they go that far? but what else would juliet need a gas mask for?

is next week one hour or two?

When they get to the cabin ben lights the lamp and they go inside. madness ensues, and it looks like the lamp gets knocked over (i was sure a fire was about to start). when ben exits the cabin he puts the lamp back where he found it, and with the quiet at that moment, we get the feeling like nothing has happened. i'm not saying that none of that occured, just that there's more to it.

― jergïns, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:30 (eighteen years ago)

ah shit the flame not the plane. damn

― jergïns, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:30 (eighteen years ago)

i don't see alpert's pirate get up :-(

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

also (again apols if brought up already) where did the hostiles get poison gas canisters from?

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

To open this episode we see Ben being born outside of Portland. That's a nice little echo of Mittelos Bioscience being located "outside of Portland."

When Ben first meets Alpert, as a boy, Alpert is in charge. When they purge the Dharma camp, Alpert is the first to take off his mask, and seems again like the leader. But since that time, Ben has taken over. It may take years for us to find out, if ever, but I want to know the evolution of their relationship and the evolution of power within their group. When young Ben explains to Alpert that he saw his mom, Alpert seems to react like this is a special, important moment. In the intervening years Ben must have established himself as someone special, more connected with the island. So special that Alpert would echo his birthplace, years later, to strangers.

― jergïns, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

where did the hostiles get poison gas canisters from?

that's a good question. they were pretty well kitted up: gas cannisters, masks, guns. somebody's supplied them.

― jergïns, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:41 (eighteen years ago)

does alpert know ben wasn't born on the island?

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

It was a weird thing for Ben to insist and make a point of over and over and then be all like, 'actually, i wasn't born on this island.'

Marvin Candle's arms moved in this video!

What's the longest thread in ilx history?

― jergïns, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

who's for a "this shit's too long, OMG run up to finale season 3 and ALL OUT WAR" thread?

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 09:44 (eighteen years ago)

reluctantly i am

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:15 (eighteen years ago)

only 2 proper eps left (though 2nd one is double-length)

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:21 (eighteen years ago)

things i wanna know:

- whispers
- if Alpert's a rejuvenating pirate dude, who be the natives? did the pirates become the natives or are the natives the four-toed dudes?
- what happened to lil Ben's sweetheart?
- Cindy's deal
- is Jacob just another manifestation of the monster? is Ben aware of this?
- Rousseau's plan
- how Claire and Jack are gonna find out they have same Dad
- about a dozen other things but those are most important

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

i thought about "how Claire and Jack are gonna find out they have same Dad" and the only way they can possibly make a connection is by visual resemblance. i.e. if they see Christian's body or a picture of it.

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

his body would be hard to ID now surely - tho Jack probably could. WHERE IS IT?

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

lostie files compiled by ben etc will have piXoRs of relatives. esp dads

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i was thinking Ben, Richard and Juliet must all know - but Juliet presumably hasn't told Jack so...

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

how could they know? what documentation is there of Christian's involvement with claire's mum? the only connection i can see is that claire can remember what Christian looked like the one time (one?) they met.

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

what music do people think Lost characters like? just a thought

― Ronan, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

The first thing I thought of when I saw the ring of ashes was the concept in Haitian(?) voodoo that you can keep spirits contained within a ring of salt - is it called Marking The Boundaries? - which stops them from leaving. There's also the notion that you can keep unwanted neighbours away by circling your house with black salt, or that you can prevent bad influences by circling the image of the influence with salt.

This opens three discrete possibilities:

1) Jacob is a spirit of some sort - the 'spirit' of the island? - that Benry is keeping in the house for his own ends.
2) Jacob is trying to keep his own 'bad neighbours' out. This could well be the 'natives', which is why ~~Matt DC~~ Richard Alpert is so keen to let Benry be the interface between The Others and Jacob, because he isn't a pirate.
3) Jacob is an outside influence - from Portland, maybe? - and the cabin represents the image of him. Benry has affected the circle somehow to allow limited manifestation?

To answer a question upthread, I thought they were Dharma gas canisters. I assumed Benry had been playing with the pirates and Dharma at the same time, and was able to smuggle things over to them. The greater theory behind this is that the pirates started out doing simple raids for food and stuff, but Dharma started bringing in better weaponry with each new group of admittees - we see their response with firearms in the Benry flashback - and there is escalating sophistication of weapons as the pirates get better weapons when Benry gives them to them, following his changing sides when he is 12 or whatever age he was supposed to be.

― aldo, Friday, 11 May 2007 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

"The first thing I thought of when I saw the ring of ashes was"

salt to stop bad juju. and fendahl.

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

I like the bit where young ben was putting his rabbit back into his bag and it was a fake rabbit

― RJG, Friday, 11 May 2007 12:56 (eighteen years ago)

WORST MAGICIAN EVER

― aldo, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

were those cansiters not the same ones used recently by the others which someone posted the company's url?

OG Pirates love it. . . I liked the theory that perhaps Richard and others were original survivors of the slave ship/black rock.

I would love a new thread as the volume of posts here is intimadating.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

When Ben showed Locke an empty chair, did anyone else think, "Oh, so Jacob is 'Management'"? (Carnivale)

As for the powder circling Jacob's cabin-- In the orientation video Dr. Candle says, "There are properties on this island that exist nowhere else on earth." I wonder if the stuff is one of those properties.

What I've been waiting for all season is an explanation of Ben's claim that the Others are "the Good Guys." I assumed there'd be some ambiguity where we'd find out that the Others were working on something very important. But so far we only know that they are mass murderers who want to solve the problem pregnant women dying on the island. There's a simple cure for that--don't get pregnant on the island, or leave the island in your submarine for awhile if you want to get pregnant.

― mulla atari, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

in some podcast, or other, they said this season we'd find out just how evil Ben and his people really were.

― Ronan, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

properties

Yeah that boggled me. I was thinking "Properties? Properties of what? plants?"

― Ms Misery, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

all mod cons, close to local amenities, great transport links

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

"and this would make an ideal nursery for when you steal some mad French chick's baby"

― blueski, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

Thinking of all the characters who have killed their fathers, actually or symbolically--

Ben, actually.
Kate, actually.
Locke, got Sawyer to do it for him.
Sawyer, killing Cooper as revenge for father's death
Jack, actions which led to father's relapse & death
Jin, claiming that his father was dead
Hurley, curse kills grandfather, who'd been like father to him in Cheech's absence.

I wonder if the Others have some prophecy about a man who kills his father which made Ben important & made Locke offing his dad such a big deal to all of them.

― mulla atari, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

ok mods. lock and reload?

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

TURN THE KEY

― Ronan, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

PULL THE STRING

PULL THE STRING

― David R., Friday, 11 May 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

No! Not until there are 4,815,162,342 posts.

― mulla atari, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

and ben's mum and alex's mum and kate's mum and locke's mum and jin's mum and

― RJG, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

Which was incidentally the size of the world's population in around 1985. Chew that over.

― mulla atari, Friday, 11 May 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

what's the correlation between ben's mom dying during pregnancy and the island women dying during pregnancy? there's got to be more than it only being the fuel behind ben's concern with fertility.

alpert/pirate said he was sick of the fertility shit, too.

― cutty, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

ben is diseased and spreads infertility to all women who come in contact with him.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

What I don't get is, if Jacob is supposedly favouring Locke, why did he freak out and smash shit?

If you look at the trajectories of shit getting flung across the room it looks like Jacob wasn't trying to hit Locke or Ben but the flashlight.

― nickalicious, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

Also I have looked at screengrab after screengrab and I swear to god Jacob looks like Locke + hair. Maybe that's why Alpert is so keen on Locke: perhaps he too has seen Jacob (contrary to what Ben says) and knows that Locke looks just like him.

― nickalicious, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

last night i was suddenly struck by a possible inspiration for lost, specifically the smoke monster and jacob: solaris. basically the idea that a substance of some sort (in solaris' case, a gel planet) reads people's subconsciouses and then manifests their memories physically.

― YGS, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'm thinking we might find out in the next ep that Charlie might be responsible for the death of his father or mother - we are supposedly getting Charlie childhood flashbacks.

Oh and Claire was responsible for her mom's death!

This show needs more childhood flashbacks, they are the best.

xpost I'm thinking Jacob and smokey are separate but connected entities playing out some kind of incredible supernatural game/imbalance on the island - they are the "light v dark" that Locke mentioned waaaaay back in the olden days of backgammoning.

― nickalicious, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

Ya, YGS, it's been mentioned *a lot* on this thread. Have you not read every single message? Shame on you!

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

If the Hostiles are really descendants of the Black Rock crew then pregnancies & births must have been possible on the island at some point. Does the 'sickness' that took over Danielle's folks pre-date the Dharma purge stuff?

― mulla atari, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

Also, one gets the impression that Alex wants to kill her "father," Ben, or is it normal teenage rebellion?

Why did Ben say "Jacob feels the same way about technology as you do"? If Jacob is giving the Others their marching orders, why is he allowing them to use technology, even going so far as to hire Juliette? Or, to use the Parallax View style indoctrination film to convert them to love Jacob? Maybe he doesn't care?

― Bill in Chicago, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

I think he was lying and just wanted it to be spookier.

― mulla atari, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

I know this is a total stretch, but given the fact that there are all these connections of various characters to philosophers, Ben's "technology" statement instantly made me think of this.

― Bill in Chicago, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

they are the "light v dark" that Locke mentioned waaaaay back in the olden days of backgammoning.

so in that type of scenario, Eko would be killed by Smokey to prevent Jacob from "turning him to the dark side"? hmmm.

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

what's the correlation between ben's mom dying during pregnancy and the island women dying during pregnancy?

can't believe I didn't think of that

alpert/pirate said he was sick of the fertility shit, too.

I guess if you're immortal, reproduction isn't a big concern? it's only a problem for the "new recruits."

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

Eko would be killed by Smokey to prevent Jacob from "turning him to the dark side"?

So you think smokey represents the light?

― Ms Misery, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

what's the correlation between ben's mom dying during pregnancy and the island women dying during pregnancy?

think we were mostly just meant to think it was on the island until lazlo ran out to the road w/ a truck and portland sign

― RJG, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

When Alpert told Juliet the facility was "just outside Portland" did he specify Oregon? Because there's a Portland in Florida as well, which is A) much closer to Miami where Juliet & her sister were located, and B) actually warm/temperate in December (Ben's birthday is in December, and it didn't look to me like I imagine winters in Portland, OR).

Also, why were a school teacher and a hippie scientist driving such a fancy expensive car?

― nickalicious, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

magical jacob and the anti-technology thing made ME think of The Changes. which was about Britain being dragged back to a pre-technology era by the spirit of Merlin hooked on heroin.

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

good thinking there nickalicious.

We're not sure what (what's his name?) that dude was doing when he and his wife found Ben and his parents. Ben was pretty old when they moved to the island so maybe they weren't part of a commune then.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

eugene tooms

― RJG, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

So you think smokey represents the light?

I don't know if I buy it but in Nick's scenario, yeah

but he seems to test to see if you are worthy

(although that's also what Jacob seems to do re: lists. and the question is "worthy of what")

think we were mostly just meant to think it was on the island until lazlo ran out to the road w/ a truck and portland sign

gotta be bigger than just that I think, although that was part of it

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

i was the first to drop some solaris knowledge on you

btw why is it my favorite ILX threads are tv threads?

― cutty, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

eugene tooms

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Wow, I didn't even notice this. .

Cutty, I confess ignorance about solaris.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

eugene tooms

Holy shit, I totally didn't realize that!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Toomsx.jpg

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

think we were mostly just meant to think it was on the island until lazlo ran out to the road w/ a truck and portland sign

-- RJG, Friday, May 11, 2007 11:03 AM (39 minutes ago)

you don't think ben is a little too obsessed with pregnant women?

― cutty, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

i wasn't even talking about physical locales, i'm trying about the incident of women dying during pregnancy/childbirth

― cutty, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

well I think we were totally meant to believe it was the island and excpect the outcome until they went out on the road. Don't the babies usually die on the island too though?

― Ms Misery, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

but ben "killed" his mother--he's got serious issues about this obviously, and it's more than a coincidence (because what isn't on this show) that he is now on an island with women who die during childbirth

― cutty, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

Youtube makes it really bloody clear just in case you missed it.

― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

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― never acid again, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

doesn't look like locke's eye looks

doesn't really look like a men with long hair, either

― RJG, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

whatever, not likely we'll find out what jacob is anytime soon

try explaining where lost is at to someone who has never seen it at this point and you'll realize how crazy we've all become

― cutty, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

"Even if I spoke Korean, it still wouldn't make any sense."

― nickalicious, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

Something that just occurred to me -- remember how a lot of the Dharma stations are marked "quarantine" and Kelvin insisted on going out with the protective gear? I get the sense that Ben's purge of the Dharma people a) didn't kill everyone and b) poisoned the island literally and figuratively.

― Mr. Perpetua, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

Also, would any science-y types care to explain the significance/implications/ramifications of the gas used to wipe out the Dharma people being Cytidine Triphosphate?

― Mr. Perpetua, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

new thread, anyone?

― RJG, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

i don't mind. But it's only two (three if you consider the 2-hour finale) episodes left to the end of the season. Should we instead start an anticipating season 4 thread?

― Roz, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

re: quarantine
there was also a shot of everyone getting vaccinated in the dharma indoctrination center
so the "disease" could still be real

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

also I like the interpretation that the ring of salt or dust around the house is keeping Jacob contained

maybe that's why he asked for help

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

try explaining where lost is at to someone who has never seen it at this point and you'll realize how crazy we've all become

I was bullshitting w/ a friend about TV who had seen like two L O S T episodes ever and claimed he would never watch it start to finish but was curious what was going on. so I spoilered it up to early season 3. it was exhilarating.

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

My roommate was going to watch this week's episode with his girlfriend who has never ever seen the show and talked him out of it -- not only would it have screwed things up if she ever did start from the beginning, it would have been really weird and confusing!

― Mr. Perpetua, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, let's keep Season 3 in the Season 3 thread.

― jaymc, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

yeah just don't load the whole thing, who cares

what did the Karl brainwashing thing say again? "so and so loves you just as Jacob loves you"?

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

xpost I'm thinking Jacob and smokey are separate but connected entities playing out some kind of incredible supernatural game/imbalance on the island - they are the "light v dark" that Locke mentioned waaaaay back in the olden days of backgammoning.

-- nickalicious, Friday, May 11, 2007 4:43 AM (1 hour ago)

[b]FATHER:

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/9/97/3x20_Jacob_portrait.jpg/175px-3x20_Jacob_portrait.jpg

SON(s?):

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/5/53/Henry_Gale.jpg/248px-Henry_Gale.jpg http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/1/13/Season_3_JohnLocke_Promotional.jpg/245px-Season_3_JohnLocke_Promotional.jpg

HOLY SPIRIT:

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/3/35/Ep2x10-smokecreature.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

first/last 50 messages format isnt very functional with 5000 post threads on thursdays and fridays.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

never mind, it's "God loves you as He loved Jacob" xpost to myself

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

The Changes. which was about Britain being dragged back to a pre-technology era by the spirit of Merlin hooked on heroin.

what is this from?

― jbsquared, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

good thinking re: trinity

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, let's keep Season 3 in the Season 3 thread.

I agree, but the new thread should start right after the end of the S3 finale, preferably with OMG OMG OMG in the title.

My daughter has been too busy off at school to watch the show this past year, so this week was only the 2nd or 3rd episode of the season she'd seen. I suddenly realized what a nerd I must look like when things that made no impression on her were making me "OMG WTF OH NO YOU DI'INT!"

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

pregnant women on island die AROUND THE START OF THE THIRD TRIMESTER.

bens mom was SEVEN MONTHS PREGNANT WHEN SHE DIED GIVING BIRTH TO HIM.

ben brought FERTILITY CURSE to island.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

So is the Decoy Village original property of the natives/hostiles, who apparently dressed like pirates before Ben took over?

― jaymc, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

I agree, the season 4 anticipation thread should begin with the season finale. Just take this through the end of "Greatest Hits" on Wednesday and it'll be fine.

― Mr. Perpetua, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

new thread, anyone?

― RJG, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

NO. BAD RJG. SEASON NOT DONE YET. NEW THREAD IN NEW SEASON.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

AFTER the finale, plz.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

a lot of the biblical stuff on lostpedia is pretty interesting

Jacob had twelve sons, one of whom was named Benjamin. Jacob was the patriarch of what became the 12 Tribes of Israel, people chosen by God to be "set apart" and special.

According to the Book of Malachi, God "loved Jacob but hated his brother Esau"

Esau was an outdoorsman/hunter while Jacob was studious, reserved, and "dwelled in tents".

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

The Changes 70s TV show: http://www.bilderberg.org/changes.htm

based on kids books "The Changes Trilogy" by Peter Dickinson. The TV show significantly changed the ending to "and then it stopped when i talked to a big rock", where the books had the kid heroes finding some loon keeping Merlin hooked on heroin in a castle and getting him to use his powers to roll Britain back to pre-tech times.

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

first/last 50 messages format isnt very functional with 5000 post threads on thursdays and fridays.
x2

We can ride this thread out through the rest of the season, but in the future we should maybe bail out at around midseason/2000 posts.

Holding onto an ungainly thread just for the sake of holding onto it does not make a lot of sense to me.

― Jesse, Friday, 11 May 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder if there is a way the code can be altered to a first/last 100 - 150 posts for just one or two threads?

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

won't the next thread be in the same boat very quickly? oh but there will be less to load if you want to see it all I guess.

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

the next three seasons are going to be a lot shorter than this one (which was extra long with the 6/17 split.)

therefore, shorter threads?

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

also, next thread = s4 anticipation thread. 9 months, but less to post about.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not done with this thread yet.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

yeah at the very least lets wait till tuesday or something.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000266N.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.popsike.com/pix/20051104/4789651350.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe next season we could do a new thread for each episode?

― nickalicious, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

look ppl if you don't want to load all 4500 posts just make sure you don't miss more than 50 posts on this thead m'kay?

― Alan, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/insp_continuity.jpg

― dmr, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

can you guys stop fucking bitching and keep up

― cutty, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

OTM

― dan m, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)

new thread, anyone?

― RJG, Friday, 11 May 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

Ha ha.

― Jesse, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

I can't keep up. I've got a life outside of this thread.

― Jesse, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

this thread then maybe is not for you

― cutty, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

;__;

― Jesse, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

You dont know this thread like I know this thread.

I have looked into the heart of this thread... and what I saw was beautiful.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

ROFFLEZ

I wonder if Terry Quinn sat around on the set of the X-Files movie, waiting to be blown up by a soda machine, and wondered what his career was coming to.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 11 May 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)

I like this "Mikhail getting fucked up every time we see him" meme.

Kate and Sayid double teamed him, then Locke threw him into Jizzmouth Wall Of Sound, then Jin whipped his ass twice and now he's being butted and punched stupid while his (one presumes) allies stand and smirk.

― onimo, Friday, 11 May 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

haha i didnt even think about that.

New rule for drinking game.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 11 May 2007 23:51 (eighteen years ago)

Hey so Ben's mom died in birth @ 7 months pregnant, isn't this the end of the 2nd trimester? And isn't that the point in their pregnancy that all the expectant mothers on the island are dying!??

And what happened to Annie? My money is on her having gotten pregnant by Ben and dying the 7 months pregnant death.

? nickalicious, Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:33 PM (Yesterday)

To open this episode we see Ben being born outside of Portland. That's a nice little echo of Mittelos Bioscience being located "outside of Portland."

not an echo.

my theory: ben's mum was infected by whatever fucked up stuff mittelos (based in portland) was doing, and that's why what happened happened. and his dad were hired to shut them up.

the alpert thing is the weirdest. for a while i just figured it was alpert's dad.

the hostiles had ak-47s. what's that about?

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 11 May 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)

"the hostiles had ak-47s. what's that about?"

It's possible Dharma had an armory somewhere. That's what I want to think, at least, because I want the hostiles to be the crew of the Black Rock.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 May 2007 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

kelvin arrived on the island after the gulf war. when do we date the purge to? lostpedia seems to have it in the 1980s, and i buy that. and with the air drops, dharma is still a going concern.

so what's their deal? this ties into whether ben *really* didn't know about that hatch, which seems profoundly unlikely. it would have been mentioned somewhere in dharma's files, etc.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 12 May 2007 08:46 (eighteen years ago)

Hey, did Locke get shot in the place his kidney would have been?

― mulla atari, Saturday, 12 May 2007 09:39 (eighteen years ago)

Let's start a pool on who the four remaining deaths will be this season--
I've got Tom, Naomi, Charlie & Rose.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 12 May 2007 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

no tom please.

ah ha, the kidney thing.

enrique i like that theory, his mom getting infected.

― jergïns, Saturday, 12 May 2007 09:51 (eighteen years ago)

i think the game changer must be either to do with the identity of naomi's lot, or the nature of time on the island and alpert's deal. um or the nature of jacob. oh, or maybe how horses and people can sort of pop up there.

or maybe just ol' smokey.

or just possibly the BIG CONSPIRACY that brought team 815 there.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 12 May 2007 09:52 (eighteen years ago)

do we know if the 16 episode seasons will include a 16th double-length finale?

― Alan, Saturday, 12 May 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

funny that naomi, so far, has only really said "remind me not to rescue you" and "look, do you lot want rescued or not?"

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

funny that naomi, so far, has only really said "remind me not to rescue you" and "look, do you lot want rescued or not?"

-- RJG, Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:40 PM (2 minutes ago)

yeah, that was a bit lame.

my present theory: the widmore corporation wants the island.

penny is rich, but surely she has to draw on the resources of the corporation to put together her search-and-rescue operation. the show likes the notion of 'tests', and possibly papa widmore aka jim robinson was testing desmond with the whole 'you're not good enough ploy' and leading him towards the yacht trip.

libby could easily be a widmore recruiter: but either way, desmond was their way of getting on to the island. i don't want penny to be a bad 'un though, she could easily be an unknowing pawn in her daddy's game.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 12 May 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

they said we would KNOW re lamechanger. i think it's all bullshit.

having to load whole thread for 51 new messages sucks but oh well

― blueski, Saturday, 12 May 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sticking with Sawyer in the death-prediction pool. But I think there's a good chance we'll lose alex and/or rousseau before the season's out too (what with all that dynamite around and everything).

― JimD, Saturday, 12 May 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

that would be a shame

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

I would be beyond sad if Sawyer dies, but yeah, I think he's the next one to go. The hobbit just won't die dammit.

― Roz, Saturday, 12 May 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

no it would be a shame if alex and/or rousseau died

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 11:54 (eighteen years ago)

no way are they killing sawyer.

― g®▲Ðұ, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

I think they'll kill Jack before they'll kill Sawyer.

― Rock Hardy, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

i sincerely hope so.

my god, that episode ruled.

dharma beer looks distinctly unappetising.

― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

On the podcast they said that some Dharma members other than Ben were absorbed into the Others.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

And they allude to what we saw (the gassing) not being the end of the war between Dharma & the Others.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

I still have the on-going rule: if they kill Sayid, I stop watching.

― Bill in Chicago, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

do people think Sun will survive and have the baby?

― blueski, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

yes.

― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:06 (eighteen years ago)

ZOMG and the baby will turn out to be JACOB/LIBBY/RICHARD ALPERT!!!!!!!!!!

game got CHANGED

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

So little island-time is passing per season that they'll probably end the final season with Sun's delivery and a simultaneous rescue.

As Jin's English improves, some dumbass is going to say, "so, you were shootin' blanks before you landed here, huh?" and he's going to be PISSED.

― Rock Hardy, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

surely sun's delivery is month's away = won't be til after story ends at this rate. season finale = xmas day?

― Alan, Saturday, 12 May 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

season finale = xmas day?

According to Lostpedia, Ben's b-day was 22 December, and he said they're raiding "the night after tomorrow", which would put THE PURGENING PT II as happening Xmas Eve, with I'm guessing the season 4 premier being Xmas Day.

― nickalicious, Saturday, 12 May 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

The gamechanger is going to be that Jacob is actually Santa Clause.

― nickalicious, Saturday, 12 May 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.worldofkitsch.com/celebrity/images/clause_santa004.jpg

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

ha, nick, bringing santa into this would rule

― cutty, Saturday, 12 May 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

there ain't no sanity clause etc

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

DUDES, THIS FUCKING EPISODE RULED.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 12 May 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, I'm a bit late here but some thoughts:

- I don't think there is a 'disease', it's a psychological ploy to keep people (Dharma survivors or lesser Others maybe) in their place. Desmond said something to Claire about injecting himself with that vaccine thing for ages without it doing anything.

- It's obvious how Jack and Claire are going to realise they're brother and sister, because THE OTHERS KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM. I bet Ben/Richard/whoever is waiting for the opportune moment to drop that particular bomb.

- There'd better be something really fucking good in that Charlie flashback and not more drugs/rockstar/brother/Catholic guilt nonsense. Also I think he is actually going to die - dude gets really really angry about them taking pregnant women and he could just go loco and put himself in danger.

- It's very unlikely that Ben or the Hostiles didn't know about the hatch, but if he didn't then we know why Kelvin survived. If they did know about the hatch, they presumably thought if someone had to sit down there pushing the button, might as well keep a Dharma guy trapped down there in virtual slavery.

- WTF happened to Annie then?

- At some point that volcano is going to erupt and really fuck shit up. Could be a while though.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 12 May 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also I doubt Jacob is actually Locke although it's possible he could behind the apparitions of Ben's mum/Walt/Yemi/the horse etc.

I really want to know what happened between Ben's first meeting with Richard and the purge. If Alpert and the Hostiles are indeed immortal, then where are all the other Hostiles now? Or are they not immortal, and they lost the ability to procreate and started to die out? That would explain Ben needing to import people onto the island.

I think there's a lot of mileage in Ben being the Chosen One and that's now passing to Locke. Richard seems to be preparing to take Ben down in some way and he's definitely losing his special powers - not healing as quickly as he should, getting cancer etc.

Locke isn't going to die. I'm not sure he even needs to be rescued, he could just heal super-superfast. The Island will probably save him, and he's still got to fulfil that prophecy about saving everyone.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 12 May 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, charlie will get angry and guilty and killed about sun's (potential) kidnapping

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

- I don't think there is a 'disease', it's a psychological ploy to keep people (Dharma survivors or lesser Others maybe) in their place. Desmond said something to Claire about injecting himself with that vaccine thing for ages without it doing anything.

we've been going back-and-forth about this for ages, though ... if there's no disease at all that would mean Rousseau was lying or mistaken (totally possible!) when she said her people went nuts and died from some jungle plague. she doesn't really seem to have a reason to lie about it.

he could just heal super-superfast. The Island will probably save him

yeah that's what I figured too

― dmr, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

they were getting injections at dharma before the purge. they might have something to do with the drum'n'bass room and other experiments.

kelvin's suit is more likely related to the hostiles' access to poison gas.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

But yeah, if anyone's going to kill Ben then it's probably Alex. Still, there are too many gaps still in his backstory for him to be bumped off just yet. Unless he dies this season and we get a Richard flashback next year.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

possibly papa widmore aka jim robinson

You mean aka Caleb Nichol.

― jaymc, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

You mean aka Jim Prescott

― Alan, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

I could see them killing Ben in S3 finale and still keeping him around for loads of screen time via flashbacks.

― Rock Hardy, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

wiipedia has this gem

"Coincidentally, Desmond's boat is registered in Newport Beach, CA- the posh Orange County township in which Dale's character on The O.C. lived"

― Alan, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

Also, the place where Ben left his dad dead in the camper van wasn't the place where Hurley found it, was it?

And why did Ben have to "be patient" and wait so long before killing his dad?

― Matt DC, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

it was a long time between meeting Alpert and the purge.

Ben could have driven the van some more. and then walked back??

― Alan, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

(finished watching ep this morning - was just mildly scary but no twin peaks scary - also i had forgotten that i'd w33ded myself)

DADS, eh

― rrrobyn, Saturday, 12 May 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

Possible reason why Locke won't die - missing kidney, bullet misses any major organs.

― Roz, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.worldofkitsch.com/celebrity/images/clause_santa004.jpg

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

haha just a guess.

― Roz, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

Hey, did Locke get shot in the place his kidney would have been?

-- mulla atari, Saturday, 12 May 2007 09:39 (9 hours ago)

― RJG, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

There'd better be something really fucking good in that Charlie flashback and not more drugs/rockstar/brother/Catholic guilt nonsense.

The guest star cast for next week has a couple kids playing young Charlie & Liam so I think we may get to see a major personality-defining distant flashback, which would be a great way to invest us the audience in it emotionally if Charlie is indeed dying.

I say this all the time but they really need to have childhood flashbacks waaaay more often, they are always great (interesting that Eko & Ben, two of the most interesting characters on the series, have had much larger chunks of their childhoods explored in flashback than any others).

― nickalicious, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

rot13:

V guvax gur Lbhat Puneyvr/Lbhat Yvnz synfuonpx jvyy whfg or gb rfgnoyvfu Puneyvr nf na rkpryyrag fjvzzre naq gur bayl bar jub pna qvir gb gur haqrejngre fbane ornpba gb errfgnoyvfu pbagnpg j/bhgfvqr jbeyq.

Puneyvr if. Qunezn-Funex, yby.

― Rock Hardy, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

i loved the ben flashbacks maybe more than any other flashbacks!

― rrrobyn, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

Rock:

Ohg Puneyvr fnvq (onpx jura Wbnaan qebjarq/qvfnccrnerq vagb gur bprna va "Juvgr Enoovg" frnfba 1) gung ur "qbrfa'g" fjvz.

(Ur qvqa'g fnl ur "pna'g" gubhtu.)

― nickalicious, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

haha I like rot13, it makes me feel like I'm typing in Russian:

V'z guvaxvat ur JNF na rkpryyrag puvyq fjvzzre ohg unf fbzr genhzngvp zrzbel (qrngu bs bar bs uvf cneragf cebonoyl) gung unccrarq va gur jngre gung unf xrcg uvz bhg bs vg rire fvapr - naq va guvf rcvfbqr jr jvyy frr vg naq frr uvz pbadhre vg, bayl gb qvr urebvpnyyl.

― nickalicious, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm! Common Western plot, the gunslinger with tragedy in his past is forced to strap on the tools of the trade one more time.

hahaha, xpost!

― Rock Hardy, Saturday, 12 May 2007 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

I totally agree that they should do more childhood flashbacks in the future. I'd be really curious to see childhood/high school flashbacks for Kate -- the fugitive stuff is really well established at this point, but we really know very little about what she was like before she killed her father.

― Mr. Perpetua, Saturday, 12 May 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

(finished watching ep this morning - was just mildly scary but no twin peaks scary - also i had forgotten that i'd w33ded myself)

hahahahahahahahaha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

― Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 13 May 2007 00:43 (eighteen years ago)

the trailer for the next episode makes me like Jack again. BOBBLEHEAD AND ANGER=VINTAGE JACK

― Ronan, Sunday, 13 May 2007 01:33 (eighteen years ago)

imagine what my life wld be like if i'd known abt w33d circa original airing of twin peaks! different. compounded pre-teen trauma, d lynch to blame. lost's got nothing on that, but y'know, ghosts in the jungle, classic scary
xpost

― rrrobyn, Sunday, 13 May 2007 01:34 (eighteen years ago)

"There's a poltergeist-like humanoid presence...IN THE PERCOLATOR!"

― Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 13 May 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)

This ep may have been one of the best ever. Tho' casting back it's hard to recall single episodes save the very early character intros. In any event I'm totally happy to accept that Jacob is some sort of malevolent ghost. I've never really believed that there could or should be a "scientific explanation" or even a rational one for each and every event in the show. They probably couldn't get to supernatural for me. If the Hostiles/Natives were revealed to be a Chthulu cult, I wouldn't mind in the slightest.
But anyway, it could simply be that Jacob is no longer a slave to time & space.

― Sparkle Motion, Sunday, 13 May 2007 05:04 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if it'll turn out that Ben got Annie pregnant & she died in the 7th month.

I'm guessing that Dr. Candle & maybe Mikhail were some of the other Dharmans who joined the Others-- missing arm & eye signs of battle and/or torture. To have several ex-Dharmans providing continuity to off-island company (especially if Mikhail controlled communications) ensured continuation of food drops.

― mulla atari, Sunday, 13 May 2007 05:12 (eighteen years ago)

I hope they don't go into how Mikhail lost his eye. Just-so stories about characters characteristics (especially physical) are boring as Jack's tattoos clrly show. Episodes about how Ben got bug-eyes, how Tom became gay, and why Michael is black might follow

― Dan I., Sunday, 13 May 2007 08:26 (eighteen years ago)

why Michael is black might follow

Maybe not, but we might find out if Jacob is actually the 'Yakub' who created white people in his lab.

― mulla atari, Sunday, 13 May 2007 08:31 (eighteen years ago)

OMG YOU GUYZ
Went on IMDB because I couldn't believe I didn't notice Mr Workman was Uncle Rico. And look! Annie=Emily

This could be awesome, although most likely it's just a mistake.

Anyway this episode! I am so annoyed with it being so dark all the time and me not being able to physically see what's going on. I guessed at the start that Emily & Roger weren't on the island.
When ppl upthread talking about 'fertility curse' do you mean mummies dying or inability to conceive?

I was most WTFed by Alpert appearing when Ben was a kid looking the same age as he does now. I've never really believed all that freaky time stuff til now.

Haha I was laughing so hard when 'Jacob' turned out to be an imaginary friend. I had expected it but hoped not. Invisible man thing is very silly. Also dyreckon 'going to see Jacob' = some kind of euphemism in Others camp.

I thought piles of stuff were volcanic ash (as signposted by classroom volcano) and Jacob was gonna be some kind of volcano god and Ben was going to sacrifice Locke/pregnant ladies and there were going to be natives with lemons on their heads like Monkey Island.

Yay at all information being disseminated to beach people at the same time rather than just a select few hearing a select few facts leaving no one person with the full picture as has happened up til now.

― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

who is emily?

― akm, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

Ben's mum (and also name of Locke's mum according to post upthread)

― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if the Others know about Rose's cancer disappearing. Would they be as interested in her as in Locke if they found out?

― mulla atari, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

Also (I've got a feeling I'm looking for things that aren't there, but I'll chuck it in anyway):
http://bp3.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RkKoOpsh6mI/AAAAAAAAFS8/T98tvLTTUUk/s400/blackboardbt9.jpg

Volcano as symbol of womb/fertility? Erupting forth blood/offspring/whatever..?

Maybe if the womb was in the stomach...

― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

They really underused the girl from Pump Up The Volume in this episode.

― Alex in SF, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

ALso, I was hoping that the bit where Ben asks "what did Jacob say to you?" would turn into that bit from Dude Where's My Car...
"Help me!"
"Like hell I'm gonna help you... what did he say?"
"help me!"
"Dude!"
"Sweet"

― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

ha ha

― blueski, Sunday, 13 May 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Yay at all information being disseminated to beach people at the same time rather than just a select few hearing a select few facts leaving no one person with the full picture as has happened up til now.

Jack's "Sounds like we've got some catching up to do" could be the motto for this entire show.

― Sparkle Motion, Sunday, 13 May 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

shit, are ben and locke going to end up as some crap like two halves of a whole person or something

― roxymuzak, Monday, 14 May 2007 03:28 (eighteen years ago)

Bloke

― mulla atari, Monday, 14 May 2007 04:06 (eighteen years ago)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9872/happyvalentinesqo2.png

― abanana, Monday, 14 May 2007 04:32 (eighteen years ago)

The producers have been pretty good about protecting their "game changer."
I really can't figure out what it's going to be. My friend has claimed since the end of SSN 2 that the island will turn out to be at the south pole or something, protected by a heat shield. I figure that the four-toed statue will play a part.

― mulla atari, Monday, 14 May 2007 05:55 (eighteen years ago)

Over here in watching-on-Britisher-telly-land, I have skimmed the thread and think these things:

Mikhail has been kept around because he knows how to ask for the drops to happen and because he knows how to keep the equipment running. Now that the comms are gone kaplooey, he may not be so useful anymore, except for keeping the spider population down in a Renfield stylee.

if the island is keeping alpert young, then how or why would he travel to portland

It's okay as long as he doesn't get off his horse.

The whole "turn the tape over" conversation with Juliet is fucking typical of the annoyingly bad character development of people like Sayid and Sawyer. You get given a tape of someone you want to believe is bad, and you don't bother your arse to listen to the whole thing before you show them you've got it? Also, when she said "turn the tape over" and told them about Ben's plan, why did everyone go "okay, great, you're obviously one of us because you told us about the plan" instead of going "well you would say that, you're just trying to get out of being killed". Clearly if someone waits to be confronted before spilling this kind of info, they are not to be trusted.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:15 (eighteen years ago)

but she had told jack. and though some now distrust jack too, that would be enough to halt that line of attack. or if someone had pursued it, they would have been drowned out by others, which would be boring to script or watch.

― Alan, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

But Jack didn't tell anyone else. So now everyone hates both of them, instead of Jack coming to the Beaches and saying "hey guys, Juliet's got something to tell everyone".

It's the same old problem with Lost. Why don't people tell people things?

Other than the fact that he wants to bone her, I'm not sure why Jack trusts Juliet so much, or why he gets so pissy with everyone else not trusting her, or why he is pretending to trust her but not actually trusting her and not letting a single other person in on it.

Maybe now that the end date has been confirmed, moving the plot along using soap-opera style revelations or secrets between characters can be dispensed with and it can all be more like the Ben and Locke show.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:25 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose I can only hope that Jack is working some kind of plan here, rather than being as stupid as he appears right now.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not sure why Jack trusts Juliet so much

he said he could tell by her face that she wants off the island as much as he does. this'll do for me, but sure he's still being a colossal jerk.

― blueski, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

"But Jack didn't tell anyone else. So now everyone hates both of them"

absolutely. the writers are muddying that up fo us on purpose. but that does explain why they take the "turn the tape" as a defence (i.e. in tandem with her already telling Jack)

― Alan, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

It doesn't really. It explains why it suits the writers for them to take it as a valid defence, but it doesn't explain why characters acting in any kind of consistent way actually would. I accept your argument that a resulting argument might have been boring to watch, but then again, it might not, if it was written right.

Also, it still doesn't explain why they wouldn't have already listened to the tape. It seems such an obvious thing to do.

I'm not questioning the outcome of the confrontation, I'm questioning the way in which the screenwriters engineered it.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

when Juliet said 'turn the tape over' i wanted it to be 'Downtown'.

― blueski, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

and then for her to exclaim "oh I love this song!" and everyone to go "awwww!" and forgive her.

― blueski, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:46 (eighteen years ago)

no matter how you write a dead-end line of argument, it's time wasted. even HAD they written it, i can see it being lost in edits

― Alan, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

didn't you watch the preview for next week. JACK IS BACK. HE'S GONNA "BLOW EM ALL TO HELL"!!

I like Jack again now. They need him to rouse people for war.

Also as regards the game changer, I think one of the podcasts, or something, said it is to do with Jack, which makes sense seeing as the last episode seems to be about him.

― Ronan, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

jack 'i kept my head down and didn't ask questions FOR A WHOLE WEEK' shepherd

― Alan, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

I watched the last three episodes again with my housemates as they were catching up, and I've got a pretty strong feeling that it's going to be Mikhail who ends up killing Charlie.

― Matt DC, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:36 (eighteen years ago)

They've both taken a good beating from Locke so it's fitting that they should come together for a season finale death match.

― onimo, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

and it'd be nice to see Mikhail finally win a fight to live up to his badass persona - even if it is against a junkie britpop hobbit.

― onimo, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

it sounds silly but i wish i could watch the finale in a cinema with lots of people. there should be more public congregation-viewing for this kind of event.

― blueski, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:45 (eighteen years ago)

It's the same old problem with Lost. Why don't people tell people things?

Sometimes I think Lost is an elaborate romantic comedy with conflicts that could be cleared up if people talked to each other--(she's angry with me because I didn't show up for our date, but what she doesn't know is that I was taking my mom to the hospital, but instead of telling her that I'm going to pout over her lack of faith in me until she's about to get married to someone else...)

― mulla atari, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

no matter how you write a dead-end line of argument, it's time wasted. even HAD they written it, i can see it being lost in edits

Well, whatever, i thought the complete failure to display any curiosity at all (but still have the sense to rewind the tape to EXACTLY the right place so they could play the same message again) made them look stupid.

It was like the other week when she came up with some weak reason why they shouldn't shoot her. Of course, for reasons of ongoing plot, it was good that they didn't shoot her, but there should either have been a more compelling reason for them not to do it, or the whole confrontation should have been left out.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

Oh No They Didn't claims to have the names of the people who are going to die in the finale.

<sadface>

― aldo, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

yeh they're on lostpedia spoilers page too

― blueski, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

request to all: please do not post those names in this thread.

― smash your phonograph in half, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

so the new thread died? Ya'll are some Lost-talking muthafuckas.

After last week I hate jack more than ever. He'll have to raise a big boat from the bottom of the ocean complete with Marines to save everyone if I'm going to like him again.

I think it will be hard for me to not go look at the spoilers. I don't have that kind of discpline.

― Ms Misery, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

yeh they're on lostpedia spoilers page too

GODDAMMIT, now I want to go and look.

― accentmonkey, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

i'm putting lostpedia on my blocklist. because i can't help myself.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

I looked, I shan't reveal but I'm not entirely believing (the not that devestating) the spoilers. A lot of them contradicted each other and it's not like someone posted a bit of smuggled script or something.

― Ms Misery, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

I looked too and I was surprised to see that one of the names had changed from last week. I'm not believing anything now.

I can't freaking wait for thursday.

― Roz, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

Guest cast for this episode includes one in particular that is very WTF. I hope it's not just a random flashback cross and something more substantial.

― nickalicious, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

I think these leaks are misdirection. They were able to keep the Jacob is invisible stuff secret.

― mulla atari, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

i predict a big crossover thingy with ... THE OFFICE!

note: creed "creed" bratton, formerly of 60s rock band the grassroots, has just FOUR TOES, which he threatened to reveal to some little girls during take your daughters to work day.

note: just one episode earlier, dwight "mr. poop" schrute makes a direct reference to LOST as an aside to the camera. something like "you know on LOST when the losties meet the others?"

what more proof do we need?

― andrew m., Monday, 14 May 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

OMG 1 of the 4 to die is... STARBUCK

― Alan, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

So hey any theories as to why Dharma had to be purged? As far as we know, they were just a bunch of hippie scientists with names like "Goodspeed" with beer and records and VW buses, what were they actually up to that got the Hostiles just so hostile?

― nickalicious, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

Do we actually know that four people are going to die? And is it actually four Losties or could it just be Charlie, Mikhail, Tom and, I dunno, Carl or someone?

― Matt DC, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

Actually I would be devastated if Tom died.

― Matt DC, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Dharma took something from the Hostiles. Enter 77 made it pretty clear that if ever a Hostile entered the Flame, it had to be destroyed. Seemed like they didn't want the hostiles to get whatever it is they had.

xpost Matt: we know there are deaths but that's it. Not certain how many exactly.

― Roz, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

It was said there would be five deaths of "characters a regular viewer would know the names of" by season's end. Most people assumed Cooper was the first of these, but in the current leaks they have named 3 more male deaths and that two women will also die.

― mulla atari, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

with the whole C4 enter 7/7 thing, i wonder how that was negotiated in the purge.

― Alan, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe it's something as simple as, How would you feel if a bunch of uninvited hippies set up shop in your really nice front yard without your permission? That's basically what Tom said to Jack waaaay back when, "This is our island."

― Bill in Chicago, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

Actually I would be devastated if Tom died.

seconded. i want a tom flashback.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

bill in chicago otm. it was pretty much spelled out in this episode; "they came seeking harmony, yet couldn't co-exist with the island's original inhabitants"

POLAR BEARS, you see. POLAR BEARS.

― g-kit, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

and SHARKS. and GIANT BIRDS. and possibly SPIDERS too.

― Roz, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

I really wonder what that giant bird was.

― Roz, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

what were they actually up to that got the Hostiles just so hostile?

Just because we're called the Hostiles doesn't mean we have to be hostile all the fucking time.

Come back! Sorry for swearing!

― accentmonkey, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha WTF:

http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

lostpedia has competition/ clone?????

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 14 May 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

sneak peek of the next episode

there are some really crazy semi-spoilers doing the rounds online! they don't spoil much but apparently the "game-changer" is "HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE"

― Ronan, Monday, 14 May 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha I think I've read the same thing

My favorite almost-spoiler at the moment that I can mention here without too much spoilage is that we WILL see Locke again this season.

― nickalicious, Monday, 14 May 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

Man, I hope so.

― jaymc, Monday, 14 May 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

can i start a thread for you guys to discuss spoilers on because this talking about spoliers w/o "revealing" spoliers is kind of bumming me out and making me skim this thread instead of read it.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 14 May 2007 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

nevermind, i'm just being touchy cause its towards the end of the season. i guess this isnt any different than the previous 5000 posts on this thread.

maybe i'm just overly sensitive b/c there's only 2 eps left for the next ten months and i want to enjoy them fully.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 14 May 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

I don't even know if what I said is substantiated or not really.

― Ronan, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not going near Lostpedia for the rest of this season. I want the last three hours to wash over me like the surf... like 18-foot surf after a big storm... like surf with a hammer in one hand and vodka in the other.

― Rock Hardy, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

I think the game changer has to involve Walt-- he was supposed to be showing up again by the end of the season, probably pulled out of the ocean by Naomi's crew. Maybe he tells the survivors what it's really like out there, (i.e. Where the hell they are.)

― mulla atari, Monday, 14 May 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

have they confirmed that the finale will be 2hrs???

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, Grady. Two hours, a week from Wednesday.

― Clay, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:06 (eighteen years ago)

That sneak peek has me totally pumped for Wednesday! God damn. Now, I think I finally understand what happens when people get excited about football.

― Bill in Chicago, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, Grady. Two hours, a week from Wednesday.

-- Clay, Monday, May 14, 2007 1:06 PM (8 minutes ago)

awesome.

i know i can probably look it up on my own, but this menas it will start one hour earlier than normal, 9 east/8 central, right?

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

Yup.

― Alex in SF, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

Lostpedia is pretty good about making spoilers inaccessible unless you really want to view them (i.e., putting theories on separate pages, putting up big warnings for confirmed spoilers). But I understand if you lack the willpower to not sneak a peek.

― jaymc, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

That sneak peek has me totally pumped for Wednesday! God damn. Now, I think I finally understand what happens when people get excited about football.

I do like football (soccer) but I totally agree. I've watched it a few times and it makes me so psyched for the next 3 episodes. It's a little shameful to admit, but sometimes watching Lost I shout "YES!" when something good happens.

This has never happened me before with a TV show.

― Ronan, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:28 (eighteen years ago)

It's a little shameful to admit...

Ha. Does this need to be new poll? Do you sometimes shout "¡YES!" while watching Lost?

― Bill in Chicago, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

I shout "OH SNAP" all the time.

― jessie monster, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

LOST is made for "OH SNAP"

― jessie monster, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

my GF and I have a habit of turning to look at eachother when something hueg or wtf happens to try and catch a glimpse of eachothers' wtf/bug eyes/jaw drop face.

― g®▲Ðұ, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

I shouted most the time Locke played the stupid Chess game and let Mikhail escape. I didn't shout "Yes!" then, more "oh you stupid fucking moron" at his randy Chess oh face. I almost gave up on Lost that stupid day.

― Ronan, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

the LOST face, grady.

i wish i could be a fly on the wall ! i used to get made fun of for my LOST face!

― Ai Lien, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 02:00 (eighteen years ago)

I want the gamechanger to be that the ship shows up and then crashes on the rocks and there are like 20 new people.

― jergïns, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 09:04 (eighteen years ago)

"it sounds silly but i wish i could watch the finale in a cinema with lots of people. there should be more public congregation-viewing for this kind of event."

YES! YES! YES!

― MRZBW, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

a small indie cinema with Lazyboys and lots of beer

― blueski, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

I want the gamechanger to be that the plane re-crashes on the island and we have time-displaced doubles of the original survivors. Except that they all have goatees.

― Deric W. Haircare, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

let's hire out the Electric, steve

― Alan, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

If you don't want to know what the Game Changer is, I'd suggest not going to any Lost sites, cuz someone has apparently spilled the beans.

― mulla atari, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

the next 8 days are gonna be MOIDA

― blueski, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

the LOST face, grady.

We should have a separate picture thread for our LOST faces.

Our conversation last week went:

Mister M: What the fuck?
Me: I think, right, that Ben just shot Locke and dumped him in a mass grave.
Mister M: No, I mean WHAT. THE. FUCK.

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

my most WTF moment of late was when same age alpert appears. i stopped concentrating on what he was saying cos my mind cogs were whirring trying to work out the implications.

― Alan, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

"same age when ben was a kid as now" i mean

― Alan, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I think that was actually what Mister M's wtf meant as well, because he talked about it all the way up to bed. In fact I think he was still talking about it when I fell asleep.

I mean, nobody actually thinks Locke is going to die now, do they?

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

I wish I hadn't read the 'Game Changer' spoiler now. <sadface>

― aldo, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

don't even tell us if you've read the lamechanger spoiler. i havezero confidence in anybody here's poker face.

― blueski, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

In case it is true I will go back to lurking and not posting on this thread, so you can't poke me face.

― aldo, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

If Richard Alpert is a pirate, which seems right because of his Jack Sparrow kohl, then where is his cave of treasure? Pirate islands have to have buried treasure.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

I bet there's an entire network of caves on the island - they need to expand the 'set' with every series and that might be where the Others are going.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

which seems right because of his Jack Sparrow kohl

hahaha, no shit! I'm always "why is this dude wearing eyeliner??"

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

i read the spoiler, bah, bad me. it's not really a game changer though, not yet.

― akm, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

if the gamechanger is "omg jack and juliet are DOING IT" I am so not impressed.

― jessie monster, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

lol,
black hat = villain
white hat = hero
eyeliner = pirate

If that's really their equation, that's hilarious.

― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

I read the spoiler and I am so disappointed in myself. :(

― jessie monster, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

you're an awful person.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

I think I need to block all LOST from my Internets until this is over.

Guvf vf abg n fcbvyre! Fgbc gelvat gb ehva vg sbe lbhefryirf!

― onimo, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

seriously I really regret it. I need a roofie to make me forget. ;_;

― jessie monster, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

I did it too. Now life is grey and empty.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

please be careful people not to spill it

― jergïns, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

oh dude I could not possibly do that unintentionally. It's a really big deal.

― jessie monster, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

― jergïns, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

meh, take it with a grain of salt. Like I said I read things which contradicted other things on the same page so I'm not putting a lot of faith in it. Besides I don't think any of the spoilers are anything everyone's Lost-obsessed minds haven't already considered.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

Why is anyone reading this thread with the word "spoilers" in the title if they are afraid of spoilers? I mean, I'm not going to look, and if I did I wouldn't say, but srsly.

― dan m, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

the "next week on lost" part is the important thing about the spoilers. other random shit people hear? rot13.

― jergïns, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

i read the spoiler and omg it is amazing

(possibly false claim to counter all this 'i read spoilers and now am sad' stuff which is just as bad as saying what's actually gonna happen imo bah)

― blueski, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, the only spoilers I want to know are ones that are "officially" released. This includes the trailer for next week's episode, Damon and Carlton's podcast, and the ABC press release (vague description of the upcoming episode and "guest" cast list). I don't mind knowing whose flashback it is, either (most of the time this can be ascertained by all of the above info, anyway).

― jaymc, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

the spoiler itself doesn't make me sad, the fact that I read it does.

― jessie monster, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

i will no longer read this thread, goodbye

― cutty, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

nobody has spoilered anything! the passive aggression here is through the roof.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

So is the self-flagellation.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

in fact it's ruined this thread for me. see you all later.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

Geez louise people, chll.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

I was joking. The fact you didn't get that has pretty much ruined the season finale though. I'll be posting elsewhere from now on.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

i can barely read this thread anymore let alone type words on it. the pain!

― blueski, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha

I am looking forward to never hearing the phrase "gamechanger" ever again.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

but most of all i am looking forward to reloading all 5000 messages. SOON. SOON.

― Alan, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Wnpx gheaf bhg gb or na nhgvfgvp puvyq tnmvat ng n fabjtybor, vafvqr bs juvpu ner Ynhen Cnyzre, Obo Arjuneg, naq W.E. Rjvat.

― Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

the gamechanger: ben is a gigantic neon spaceship

― Ronan, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

if ben has a spaceship which then falls apart in flight to reveal him pedalling a sailbike whilst playing a piece of tissue through a comb (like in that Simpsons cult episode) then yay

― blueski, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

you guys stop trying to change my game

― cutty, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I'll change your game alright. I'll change your game forever.

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

The gamechanger - Sawyer finally beats Hurley at ping-pong.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yikes, this thread. I'll see you guys in 33 1/2 hours. In the meantime, don't come near my house! I'm loaded!

― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

a small indie cinema with Lazyboys and lots of beer

How's this not happening in at least one of America's hipper cities?

― en i see kay, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

there is a lost viewing party at Jackie Chan's Kitchen, a restaurant owned by the martial aerts film star, here in honolulu. they do it every week, and its officially affiliated with honolulu. You can buy appetizers like "Hurley's Pork Gyoza" and dink Kate Martinis. No movie screen but lots of big plasmas.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

How's this not happening in at least one of America's hipper cities?

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

So, I just randomly watched the first ever episode of Angel online. Sawyer = vampire!

Now I am even more excited about tomorrow somehow.

― Archel, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

does he have a country accent?

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

Wasn't Daniel Dae Kim on Angel?

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

Dunno, but he was on 24 wasn't he. Looking hot of course.

― Archel, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

officially affiliated with honolulu

should have read:

offically affiliatted with ABC.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

As I mentioned 5,003 posts ago, there was a screening of the s3 premiere on a 30 ft. wide screen on the beach here, one week before it aired.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

nice grady, make us all jealous why don't you??? geez. . .

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

but, a movie-theatre viewing party would be soooooo much better than either of my examples.

xp.

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

I think I'd take the Hawaiian beach.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but think about not having seen any new L O S T eps all summer, and then having to squat for 3 or 4 hours to get a decent spot, and then worrying about people making noise or cars/sirens driving by. I opted to wait a week and watch it in my apartment.

Also, they aired the Men In Trees premiere after it. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

― g®▲Ðұ, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

I think I'm going to have to have a bbq with wild boar, mango and generic DHARMA beer.

― Bill in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

If I ever saw DHARMA beer in the store, I'd buy a case.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

Perhaps there should be a new thread for people who read the spoiler. And at some point they'll come back to this thread and gas us all to death.

― mulla atari, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

Instead of watching it on a big screen with a bunch of noisy bozos I'll just sit with my nose four inches from my own TV so the screen will be huge.

― Beth Parker, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 01:38 (eighteen years ago)

If I ever saw DHARMA beer in the store, I'd buy a case.

Next best thing: PDF of Dharma Beer labels.

― Huey in Melbourne, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:54 (eighteen years ago)

Brits: do Tesco still market those wonderful bottles of GIN, VODKA and WHISKY with those stark, utilitarian, Dharma-like labels?

― Huey in Melbourne, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:57 (eighteen years ago)

lol @ mulla

― dan m, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.beercannews.com/COUNTRIES/United_Kingdom/UK_Can_News_04_1/UK-Tesco_Value_Lgr_44-04.jpg

― blueski, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 06:08 (eighteen years ago)

sawyer a.k.a. the guy who looks like kid rock was in an aerosmith video

― Ai Lien, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

:(

You have killed my Sawyer crush

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

he is the new alicia silverstone, at least to me

― jergïns, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

I was just thinking about how, back in season 1, Sawyer was my least favorite character, mostly because he seemed like the one least likely to actually develop into something more than the zingering scoundrel. I think they have done remarkably well at bringing about the developments in his character really gradually since then, and that the recent massive things that have happened to him have been like a catalyst for a great Sawyer-the-hero that we've always sort of expected of him.

Also now when I go back and watch his earliest episodes, I'm surprised how moved by them I am, whereas back then I was basically in GET BACK TO LOCKE mode.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

End of seasion preview lowdown and theme assessment from the producers. There's not much here for spoilers, but if you want to know NOTHING, don't check out the link.

― Bill in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

I'm staying home and watching this tonight in lieu of seeing Animal Collective for free. My life officially makes sense no longer.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

Is the finale going to air the same time as the AI finale? Oh how difficult life is. . .

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

a small indie cinema with Lazyboys and lots of beer

I read this as "Ladyboys" and wondered if maybe there was some sub-cult of Lost fans I hadn't heard about.

― nickn, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

i get to watch lost on my 60" big screen, every week!

-

except for tonight. i'm getting drunk, right now. i'll probably pass out before it's on. i'll have to watch it on abc.com or something, tomorrow.

i doubt i'll be missing much. this episode's about the hobbit, right? i bet he dies. whateves.

― andi, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

i like charlie, though. i got a soft spot for his sort of fucked-up deal. i don't know. i wanna pass out before that.

― andi, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm. Tempted to stay awake until the torrents start appearing, so I can jump on one, go to bed, and have it finished ready for me when I wake up. Struggling to calculate what time that's likely to be though, what with is being shown earlier in canada, and us being on BST, and everything. Grr.

― JimD, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

Heh, you watch a nice, fresh Lost episode for breakfast?

I was pondering the same thing, but then to see it this very night. I fear that, since I live in Holland, it will be a long, loooong night...

― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

Why does Dharma beer have 12 grams of fat per serving?

― Jenny, Thursday, 17 May 2007 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

Is it made from shortening?

― Jenny, Thursday, 17 May 2007 00:06 (eighteen years ago)

Fermented in the same tanks as the ranch dressing.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 00:19 (eighteen years ago)

T minus 18ish minutes and counting...whatever you are supposed to be, show that's on right now, cut it out.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 01:43 (eighteen years ago)

Word. I almost tried to watch that Jim Belushi show just so I could have ABC on early.

― bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 17 May 2007 01:47 (eighteen years ago)

I once missed LOST because I was on ILE. I came up for air at 11:30. Obviously I wasn't on this thread.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 17 May 2007 01:55 (eighteen years ago)

T minus 3 minutes betcha til jack gets bobbleheaded

― Maria :D, Thursday, 17 May 2007 02:07 (eighteen years ago)

I knew that it wasn't going to happen. It was way too telegraphed. Lost does not spend a whole episode setting things up in a really obvious way in order to, like, actually follow through on what its set up. I love Lost.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:05 (eighteen years ago)

I started getting scared in the middle thinking they were going to switcheroo and kill Desmond. Glad that didn't happen. But even more glad they've introduced a couple of slinky hot Aquaothers!

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

I was getting so angry when it was looking like Desmond was gonna go.

― bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:13 (eighteen years ago)

Whoa. Whoa. Wtf was that? Awesome.

Aquaothers or AquaDHARMA?

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:36 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh, good question.

But I suspect Aquaothers, because the submarine had gone there and Ben had it set up to block all outgoing radio signals.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:39 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, aquaothers sounds about right.
can't wait for the torture charlie episode. it's gonna be great.

― funny farm, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:56 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't realize until going to Lostpedia that the woman who called Charlie a hero was Nadia, Sayeed's long lost love.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:59 (eighteen years ago)

bring on purge 2: the purgening

― dmr, Thursday, 17 May 2007 04:00 (eighteen years ago)

THEY ARE COMING RIGHT NOW

― dmr, Thursday, 17 May 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

2 hours next week. I'M DYING. I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!

But after that, SEVEN MONTHS!

I hate tv.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 May 2007 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, probably Aquaothers since Juliette said Ben is blocking the signal. I doubt Ben is going to be down with allowing aquadharma to survive.

Unless Juliette is lying or was lied to by Ben. I know they are trying to make her trustworthy and such, but remember Kate (I think) said that she has the eyes of a killer. She might be another plot twist waiting to happen.

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 17 May 2007 04:11 (eighteen years ago)

helpful hobbit in hatch hottie holdup shocker

― Dan I., Thursday, 17 May 2007 07:19 (eighteen years ago)

Charlie flashbacks are always so dismal, Nadia notwithstanding (was it really her?). But I did feel oddly moved by his little list... until he clobbered Desmond. Could he not just have said 'no that's alright mate, I'm going, no really, bye'?

Sayid rocked, I've missed him so much in this season. Still don't trust Juliet. She's after all done quite a lot of Ben's bidding, even if she does keep telling on him. Explaining the bad stuff she's doing doesn't make her good.

Are the aquaothers going to make Charlie their sex slave?

― Archel, Thursday, 17 May 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)

I just watch it on Da1ly Mot1on now, it's there earlier and earlier every week, and no tedious downloading required. (plus I don't mind not having the eps on my computer permanently, I seldom watch them again)

― Ronan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe the sub-hatch babes are the two Driveshaft groupies Charlie was in bed with and they've been raising his babies in the hatch all this time.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 17 May 2007 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

I saw a screencap of the brunette far off with the rifle and she kinda looks like the woman Sawyer stole the money from. The same woman that Kate ran into on a recent flashback. The one selling gold bracelets.

― MaGoGo, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

really thought charlie was going to let desmond go, for a moment. we said the same as archel re: clobbering desmond

two hour finale

― RJG, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

Damn, Lost had me cryin'.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

haha

These were by far Charlie's best/most tolerable flashbacks.

Charlie's goodbye scene with Hurley was surprisingly touching. I am a sucker for characters saying mean things to their loved ones in lieu of telling them something heartbreaking, even when said loved one is perfectly aware of what's going on.

For a second I thought Charlie was going to let Desmond do it.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

I kind of think those girls down in the Looking Glass might be part of Naomi's rescue team. The helicopter crashed right out there.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

I think what I took away from this episode was "Don't befriend Charlie."

― HI DERE, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

the accents, in this ep

― RJG, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

I like Beth's theories best.

I still think Juliet's up to no good.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

Oh hey where the fuck did Sayid get the Looking Glass schematic/map????

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

Desmond's face was more touching than Charlie's stories.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't Sayyid grab a few blueprints from the station Locke blew up with his Chess skillz?

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

Has anyone here read any of those unofficial Lost books? You know, all those "Unlocking the Secrets of Lost" things edited by folks like Mormon SF writer/neocon nutjob Orson Scott Card? I know over the next 7 months I'm going to be hard up for Lost fixes & might end up actually reading one of these. Though they'll probably just tell me that John Locke was a philosopher.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

Mulla otm re: blueprints

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

DS ring + charlie = hobbit, LOTR

i liked techno boy yelling at losties. he is a fine yeller! why are you still here?!!!

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

Though now that I think about it--Sayyid took the blueprints and then was captured by the Others. They let him keep the schematics for the underwater station that housed their signal blocker? Maybe they were just too upset about the submarine to frisk him properly.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

it will be the bird that claire and charlie sent off with a note tied around the foot that will get them rescued.

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

Damn, Lost had me cryin'.

Um...

Me, too.

― Jenny, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

lol @ Clitheroe!
lol @ Charlie playing the Night and Day!
lol @ Butlins!
lol @ Young charlie's awful non-northern accent!
BLUB LIKE A BABY @ aaron farewell+hurley farewell+scene in boat. :-/

Yes, Lost has made me cry before, but I was surprised that Charlie managed it. And so many times!

Unless Juliette is lying or was lied to by Ben.

Well, she said Ben had told her the station was flooded, didn't she? And that doesn't appear to be true.

I don't mind not having the eps on my computer permanently, I seldom watch them again

Me neither, but I need the files cos I push lost eps to various other needy junkies.

― JimD, Thursday, 17 May 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

why didn't charlie die, what went wrong? was it the weight belt?

― Yerac, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

I think it was the "Desmond is full of shit" factor.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

Or the Ben is full of shit factor.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think Desmond is full of shit, he said Charlie flips a switch then drowns, it can still happen NEXT WEEK.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

xxxp: he didn't even get near the switch. SWITCH THEN DEATH, remember?

DS ring + charlie = hobbit, LOTR

yup. turned to my wife and started singing "THE BEARER OF THE RIIIING" and she gave me the look i usually give her when she talks/laughs/gestures/breathes too loudly during lost.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

well didn't Juliet say she thought the station was flooded? I think they were expecting to get in there and find no water pockets therefore swimmer dies. That's why Charlie was so relieved when he broke water.

I think Juliet knew it was manned and is setting them up. How does Ben end up knowing to meet them at the tower?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

Charlie could still drown and then be revived.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

by the aquababes

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

How does Ben end up knowing to meet them at the tower?

Maybe he gets this info out of one of Sayid, Bernard, or Jin, who were shown in the next week on LOST bit tied up, on their knees, with guns on them.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

I have never so looked forward to scenes of torture.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

ah fuck I missed that part of them tied up. . .noooo!!!

But still they said it's a day's walk from the beach to the tower. The preview showed him standing there as the losties walked up. He had to have been tipped off beforehand. he couldn't have made it to the beach and still beat them there.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

Is there some scene in one of those bibles were a Sheppard leads a flock to a radio tower only to by confronted by a bug-eyed man? Because that would totally fit.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

"to be confronted"

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

crying etc yeah. I was thinking all the way this was such a good goodbye episode....even the obvious "GO TOWARDS THE LIGHT" bit. Fucking anticlimactic.

― Roz, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

does anyone know if the teaser for next week's ep has been posted anywhere?

― jessie monster, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

Jessie, search youtube for "lost through the looking glass", you will find both US and Canadian previews.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure Bernard's a goner next week, because he told Rose that nothing bad would happen to him if he stayed on the beach with his rifle.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

ARGH the trailer!

― Roz, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

is the canadian teaser different?

Rose is a naggy bossy boots.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

This might be obvious but wouldn't "the looking glass" be a possible reference to the rabbit hole in Alice in Wonderland?

I can only imagine that the looking glass is the way to get off the island. It's why they have to use a submarine to get to the island.

Ala Truman Show; the hatch leads to the outside world.

― MaGoGo, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

And Alex was butchering a white rabbit!

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

nice touch w/ alex gutting a white rabbit.. foreshadowing her betrayal of her father?

haha xp

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

favorite part: hurley freaking out when Karl pulls the gun out.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

lol lostpedia editors: Charlie wakes up on Christmas morning in Finland. He finds himself in bed with two women (presumably the two he spoke of in confessional).

― Roz, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

The Looking Glass' DHARMA symbol is also a white rabbit and a hole.

― Roz, Thursday, 17 May 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

the rabbit butchering made me think of the rabbit young ben carried around in his pouch

― dmr, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

good tie in. Of course nothing on this show is casually placed. . .

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

I can't be sure, but did I catch a glimpse of Locke in the preview? Please say yes.

― Roz, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

so des wasn't there when charlie sang wonderwall and the rain started to fall. all the time travel shit makes my head hurt, but it seems like there's some significance there.

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

i really want to call them dharma mermaids even if that's wrong.

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

how great would it be if blondie dharma mermaid was one of the helsinki groupies?

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

"i know you! i laid you!"

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

lol at young marsupial Ben

― HI DERE, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Ben sure was shaken by the whole Locke/Jacob experience, huh?

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

He had a good cry on the way back to camp.

― David R., Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

god alex is hot

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

next week trailer here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XChBXAUgKgE

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

jergins otm

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

so des wasn't there when charlie sang wonderwall and the rain started to fall. all the time travel shit makes my head hurt, but it seems like there's some significance there.

yeah I was thinking about that too. I guess the timeline where Desmond appears was the "wrong" one for Des to be in, hence the timelord telling him "you can't buy the ring, that's not how it happens" etc. and he jumped back into what we see on the show as "reality." or something.

― dmr, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

when desmond met charlie busking it wasn't (obviously) meant to be Covent Garden. buskers do perform the same song more than once. and it rains here. quite often.

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

this episode had a really nice pace to it. action from the start, not too much of the sappy stuff. just the right amount of predictable (o he left the ring for aaron shox) and unpredictable.

also: FLASH BACK NOT OF THE MAIN CHARACTER. i mean, charlie had proper actual flashback, but we also got a cheap '6 hours ago' flashback to explain the action in the opener.

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

when desmond met charlie busking it wasn't (obviously) meant to be Covent Garden.

I doubt your average US viewer would know this.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

Was Charlie busking before or after he became famous? I'm unsure of that timeline.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

surely before.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, before, I think

his "top 5 memories" were not in order

buskers do perform the same song more than once.

oh come on, it was obv. meant to be the same time

― dmr, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

same outfit, same rain, same song and the sticker on his guitar that reads "I was here moments ago."

― Roz, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

actually not the same outfit, according to losteastereggs.blogspot.com

― jessie monster, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

when desmond saw charlie busking it was more citified - outside the building that alan dale's lair was in.

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

well I stand corrected but that's kinda stupid of the writers

― dmr, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's pretty obvious they meant for the viewers to think of Desmond's flashback(?). Nothing about this show is off-handed.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

ha ha they use the same background 'newsagent' stall but the scene is otherwise v different. yes we're meant to recall the flashback, but i don't think we're meant to think 'oo no desmond this time' either.

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

what else was it supposed to be then?

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

ah. maybe they just wanted him to sing that line from wonderwall again. I think Desmond really is gonna save Charlie.

― Roz, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

also "ARE YOU AVIN A LAFF" from naomi. this HAS to be another gervais riff. sadly.

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

were there not some pathos when charlie said to des something about him having...somthing. of his. i'mdrunk. but the subtext was des taking claire from him.

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

lol @ this ep being titled "Greatest Hits"

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

Also, the ring is going to have some significance in further seasons. Liam mentioned an ancestor whoose initials were DS. i bet we hear about him again. MAYBE DS WAS ON TEH BLACK ROCK.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

aqua-hottIes names: Bonnie (blonde) and Greta (brunette).

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

L O V E

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

I'M IN UR LOOKING GLASS

http://www.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/f/f0/Bonnie_hires.jpg/727px-Bonnie_hires.jpg

FUKKIN WITH UR DESTINY

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

also "ARE YOU AVIN A LAFF" from naomi. this HAS to be another gervais riff. sadly.

haha I loved that, and Hurley's reaction to Karl w/ the gun made me laugh so long and hard I missed whatever happened right afterwards.

"I like you better since you're back Jack, you're almost an optimist."

I was surprised to actually enjoy Rose & Bernard in this ep. Bernard is so going to die though.

So Bonnie/Greta: Others, other survivors of Naomi's chopper crash, last surviving Dharmaers, what?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

I really doubt from the chopper. Why would they be smacking Charlie around? if they were from the chopper they'd have no clue that there hostile people on the island. Even Naomi doesn't know what's going on.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

yeah WTF with pulling "dexter stratton" (DS) out of nowhere??

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

"Bonnie/Greta" where u gettin this from?

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.footballdynasty.net/jb/player.php?id=4443&skin=default

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

lostpedia.com

xp

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

The t-shirt that Charlie wears in this episode has two Chinese words, yongqi and xinnian, which mean courage and conviction respectively.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

HI DERE CHARLIE CAN PLAY SAME SONG TWICE IN THE RAIN:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_E5sM9VbOiKc/RkxEySTnQSI/AAAAAAAABmo/14FAlAcNKGk/s1600-h/1_16_05_07_11_36_09.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

hi dere same green newsagent stand :-D

― Alan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

THEY WOULD ONLY DO THIS IF THEY WANTED RESONANCE BETWEEN THE TWO SCENES

― jergïns, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

resonance yes, same event no.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

clearly the time shift changed charlie's outfit and location while leaving the song choice and weather the same, this much is obvious

― dmr, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

interesting theory on lostpedia wrt the Looking Glass:

The Looking Glass is a doorway between times or universes. The sub brings people from the Looking Glass, to the island. That is why we've never actually seen the trip a person has to make, we've only seen them getting off the submarine.

I REALLY like like this idea... surely its called the looking glass for a reason???

Also, it is no mistake that naomi's helacopter crashed in the same area.

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

I love that theory too but don't understand how it fits with Oceanic 815 crashing on the island.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

desmond's actions in the hatch/ triggering island's natural forces were strong enough to pull 825 in?

???

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I thought the Looking Glass MUST refer to some parallel dimension/time glitch thing. (Also in Alice Through The Looking Glass there is the whole chess game thing cf. Mikhail's computer.)

NB. In episode 2 of season 1, Charlie gets Jack to swim out to rescue Boone saying 'I don't swim'. Continuity cock-up (I mean Charlie may not have been junior champion of Northern England but he clearly CAN swim) or deliberate?

― Archel, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

charlie was a coward back then?

also his childhood flashback showed that if nothing else he used to fear the water and was a late swimmer.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

a swim would have killed his smack buzz

― never acid again, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

Oh and WTF 'we named our band after Dexter Stratton'. er, no, your band is named Driveshaft. Containing the same initial letters is not naming after.

― Archel, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

haha yeah the Dexter Stratton thing was completely unnecessary.

I almost hope Charlie lives now so we get to see some childhood flashback of his mom dying or something.

Guys did you catch someone call out for a "Desmond" during the pool/Butlin's flashback scenen!?!? Totally happened.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

I meant to say of his mom drowning, which would explain his fear of the water.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

I really hope both Alex and Karl live through this because I am in love with them. I felt so bad for poor obviously hungry Karl not getting his rabbit meat.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

desmond's actions in the hatch/ triggering island's natural forces were strong enough to pull 825 in?

???

-- g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, May 17, 2007 9:26 AM (57 minutes ago)[/quote]

815

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

This episode did feel a bit like spinning things out pre-finale. I kept just thinking about Locke languishing away down in the pit. Though if the previews are anything to go by he is fine.

― Archel, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

In the preview, who was that being smacked around while tied up in the chair? It looked like Claire but that wouldn't make much sense so I assume it's Juliet?

That bit with Ben going "shoot them" sent a sort of shiver down my spine, the kind I felt the first time I saw Transformers The Movie and half of my beloved favourite characters got mercilessly wiped out in one scene.

Also I think Desmond knew full well Charlie wasn't going to drown down there, and something worse might happen. If 'worse' = being in a confined space with two hotties.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

I thought Charlie was getting smacked around.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

Looking Glass logo, as rendered by lostpedia user:

http://lostpedia.com/images/4/40/LG3.jpg

― g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

i am working to rig up my own special time/ space anomaly so that i get to watch the season finale RIGHT NOW. i cannot wait.

― Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

Why not go to the very end, Mike? Three years from now! Just don't tell the rest of us.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

the long haired blonde woman with the gun made me think of the long haired blonde woman on the boat in s1 finale who throws explosive at Michael's raft. cool ending.

i don't think Juliet's double-crossing Jack and co. - we know she hates Ben and we know she wants off island...i'm sure there will be some sort of twist tho

― blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

Naomi seems rubbish. the 'avin a laff' remark was cringey.

― blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

Ben has been one of the most truly freaky villains so far in cool and collected mode, seeing him in irrational rageoholic mode in this episode was completely shocking and I loved it. I hope Richard goes and finds Locke out in the Dharma body hole, he began asking "what happened out there? did he...?" which I think was going to be "did he SEE OR HEAR JACOB?" or something to that effect. I bet Richard is going to turn on Ben in favor of Locke at some point next week.

Alan upthread: this episode had a really nice pace to it.

haha, yeah, Charlie Pace.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)

I don't like Naomi talking about the dead people they found - it makes me think they are going to do some alternate reality Desmond shit.

Lost can have smoke monsters, sonic death walls, invisible volcano gods, magic Walt and I'm fine with that. But they CANNOT TALK ABOUT THE NIGHT AND DAY CAFE and mess with my head like that!!

Did Alpert ask something like "Did Locke see..." when talking about Jacob?

― Not the real Village People, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

It was Charlie in the chair, but I think they dubbed in a woman's voice crying out when he gets smacked.

I heard the "Desmond" at the pool too!

― Dan I., Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

This might be obvious but wouldn't "the looking glass" be a possible reference to the rabbit hole in Alice in Wonderland?

more likely a reference to Alice Through the Looking Glass

― abanana, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)

i was surprised at ben's pawning of alpert; it destroyed my belief (hope) that alpert is really the top other.

― lxy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

I loved Ben coming back to Othercamp like Dick Cheney all, "Locke had an accident." The look Richard was giving him was pure, "What kind of monster did I inflict upon us. I should have shot him when he was in the woods crying for mommy." If Locke doesn't reappear soon to oust Ben I see a Ben/Richard showdown--that probably ends with Richard dead.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:09 (eighteen years ago)

Another Alice in Wonderland reference-- "White Rabbit": the episode where Jack looks for Christian on the island.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

Surely Juliet is meant to think the Others are coming on the *next* day... so marking the tents a day NOW might give it away to the Others that she knows they're coming early? Or will they just think she's way organised?

On another note, I looked up on Lostpedia what was playing in Karl's techno video. The images include "A pasta dish; possibly linguine with spinach". I like this.

― Not the real Village People, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

I thought Ben's mother looked a bit Alice-like when he saw her as a kid by the sonic death fence.

― Not the real Village People, Thursday, 17 May 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

i sorta welled up there.

i don't think the aquahotties are with ben et al. i think they may be part of TEH GAMECHANGER.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:23 (eighteen years ago)

We've seen him play it before, but I just realised that Desmond is Charlie's 'Wonderwall': "Maybe, you're gonna be the one that saves me..." And in came Desmond in a previous episode when Charlie played that song, in the rain, on the streets.

Anyway, I still thing Charlie is a goner. But unlike most, presumably, I am sad about that. Seeing Claire didn't spot the ring in the crib made me sad, also.

One more thing: Do we already know the full story of Naomi? We know Penny sent her, right? Shouldn't Desmond be dying to hear her out about Penny? I don't know why it takes so long for these knots to be tied. Or did I miss something?

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:28 (eighteen years ago)

Another Alice in Wonderland reference-- "White Rabbit": the episode where Jack looks for Christian on the island.

...and Alex's bunny butchery.

― Huey in Melbourne, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)

and locke smoking out with catterpillar.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:35 (eighteen years ago)

Naomi said that her company had been hired by Penny, but that she'd never met her personally.

― Clay, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:37 (eighteen years ago)

sorry, xpost to Le Bateau.

― Clay, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

Ta, Clay.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

what's this crap that's supposed to come on the telly this eve? some pre-finale primer or something?

― Ai Lien, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:42 (eighteen years ago)

I vote for aquahotties being helihotties. So Charlie gets to be really famous in alteruniverse. Maybe after they "died" the lovers of all them (Penny, Charlie's Two Christmas Stalkings) had a feeling and hired a helicopter.

How is the rift in time to be healed? What if they get saved and rescued, but the plane taking them off the island crashes and they all die anyway?

― Maria :D, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:46 (eighteen years ago)

I hope Sayid's one true love is in the Looking Glass.

I'll be disappointed if we never get to see Paolo and Nikki turn into zombies, digging themselves out of the ground.

― Maria :D, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:47 (eighteen years ago)

just a rerun of yesterday's (xp)

― dmr, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:48 (eighteen years ago)

no, no there's a carlton/cruse "OUR SHOE IZ GRATE" 1 hr special tonight.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 00:57 (eighteen years ago)

i mean lindelof/ cuse.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:06 (eighteen years ago)

Still thinking about this episode: all signs point to a hueg showdown next week, right? Losties against Others. I believe some people will die, but obviously there won't be an entire camp buried. Not all Losties will die, and neither will all Others.

I'm thinking there has to be a diversion, something to shake it up again. They can't lay there on the beach all next three seasons shooting eachother. Something must intervene, something that will rebalance the social structure again.
Will there finally be an appearance of the Smokemonster again? Or a revealing on Naomi's background? Or will Jacob decide it's time to leave the house?
Any thoughts?

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:14 (eighteen years ago)

my money is on tsunami.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:18 (eighteen years ago)

(real life indian ocean tsunami is 4 days away - Dec 26 2004)

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:21 (eighteen years ago)

Good call! I wonder if the Dharma people will start dropping loads 'n loads of food/aid/beer on the island because of that.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:23 (eighteen years ago)

I hope Aaron doesn't put the ring in his mouth and choke on it.

― Beth Parker, Friday, 18 May 2007 02:39 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha i loved how they had to blow up a tree to show how dynamite works

― rrrobyn, Friday, 18 May 2007 02:54 (eighteen years ago)

the looking glass station is COOL!!

― rrrobyn, Friday, 18 May 2007 02:55 (eighteen years ago)

i also hope it is a STARGATE i mean time/space portal

― rrrobyn, Friday, 18 May 2007 02:56 (eighteen years ago)

the tree blowing-up was annoying. don't waste the dynamite, people!

― lxy, Friday, 18 May 2007 02:58 (eighteen years ago)

annoying in the best way

― rrrobyn, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

srsly though, i was sad for the tree more than anything

― rrrobyn, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:01 (eighteen years ago)

usually the dumb, impractical, no-one-would-ever-do-that stuff doesn't bother me at all, but for some reason that one really bugs me.

and yes, it was a nice tree, wasn't it?

― lxy, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

it was :(
hahaha but just thinking about that scene is making me laugh again
(b/c y'know, i remember that it's tv, and not real, and prob there was no tree and no real explosion and no unstable piratey dynamite)

― rrrobyn, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

Wasn't there a scene in the film of "Fahrenheit 451" where the vulgar rich people burn up trees for kicks at a cocktail party, using some kind of laser?

― Beth Parker, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:23 (eighteen years ago)

oi! that sounds horrible. at least our guys had a purpose for blowing up the tree: to show how dynamite works.

― lxy, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:31 (eighteen years ago)

maybe they were testing it.

i guess not since they knew it blew the hatch open OK.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

ahahaha
lost, u r a funny show

― rrrobyn, Friday, 18 May 2007 03:48 (eighteen years ago)

hurrah. it are WAR AT LAST

― Alan, Friday, 18 May 2007 07:26 (eighteen years ago)

anyone else watch the clips show, the 'lost for dummies' thing?

well i pretty much felt like one after sitting through it.

― Mike McGooney-gal, Friday, 18 May 2007 07:30 (eighteen years ago)

plzzz make the aquababes our first gay characters, as was promised a while ago. and give them a long, languorous flashback in s04.

― jergïns, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:36 (eighteen years ago)

DVD exxxtras material, amirite?

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:37 (eighteen years ago)

good point whoever said sayid would surely have had his dharma maps taken off of him when captured.

the worst moment in this ep (that makes me think jack might be part of TEH GAMECHANGER) was sayid telling him 'you're the leader' and stuff. fuck that: TAKE TWO AND KILL THE REST for all time.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 18 May 2007 08:59 (eighteen years ago)

i love the way season finale = we FINALLY get to blow shit up

― Alan, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:03 (eighteen years ago)

(1 = hatch door, 2 = hatch total, 3 = some tents (and others))

― Alan, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:04 (eighteen years ago)

Erm, Locke has blown a couple of things up so far this season. Things that are bigger than a tent and a couple of hired Other hardmen.

― Matt DC, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

I'm really intrigued as to how they get round this tsunami thing. Maybe they'll just ignore it, or maybe it won't happen at all in this reality?

― Matt DC, Friday, 18 May 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

Lindelof and Cuse said during an interview somewhere that they would definitely deal with the tsunami. It was on Lostpedia at one point, but I can't find the reference.

― aldo, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

i want the two women to be DHARMA i think but why would they be down there and allow the Others signal-jamming to continue?

― blueski, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:15 (eighteen years ago)

Re: Desmond - well he's already established that Naomi doesn't know Penny, so I think jamming the signal and actually enabling them to contact her people would be his top priority.

I reckon Charlie's still going to die, and Desmond couldn't bring himself to say "you're going to be tortured horribly first" or whatever. This is the first time we've failed to see his premonitions.

― Matt DC, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

They can't lay there on the beach all next three seasons shooting eachother. Something must intervene, something that will rebalance the social structure again.

If the Others who have done the most damage to the 815ers die & Locke comes back & takes leadership of the rest (some of whom are 815ers), then there will likely be less shooting between the camps. Tsunami might force them to co-operate.

― mulla atari, Friday, 18 May 2007 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

Jack said something like "there's not going to be any pregnant women in the tents". everyone just seems to assume that more than one woman is pregnant unless he and Juliet actually do know by now if that's def the case. Kate still doesn't seem bothered enough by the whole thing.

― blueski, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

Someone may have mentioned this upthread but in the preview for the finale it looked like the scene where Desmond pulls a gun on Mikhail was inside a hatch. I wonder if both of them are in the Looking Glass?

In that "White Rabbit" episode there were a few creepy white-faced dolls laying on the ground when Jack was following his father (or Smokey) to the casket. They look like the same dolls that had extreme close-up shots in Carl's techno video.

― mulla atari, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

predictions for finale? (that aren't in trailer)

1) Locke re-appears and we all holler and whoop, crazy ppl that we are

― Alan, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

Jack yells "BENPILE" and they all pile on Ben.

― blueski, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

with a polar bear as the proverbial cherry atop

― blueski, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

Looking Glass-related flashback reveals childhood backstory of Dharma-logo shark

― dmr, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

ha, the shark, i love how the writers drop something in so randomly as a story tool to be used years later

― cutty, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

flashback of how the shark got a dharma logo tattoo.

wait that was in a podcast. ps the shark's name is ezra james sharkington

― Alan, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

"he swims among us tho he is not one of us"

― blueski, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

DS=Dharma Shark=the shark is Charlie's cousin

― dmr, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

"I believe I was being tested."
"Tested?"
"Yeah, tested. I think...that's why you and I don't see eye-to-eye sometimes, Ezra James, because you're a shark of science."
"Yeah, and what does that make you? "
"Me, well, I'm a shark of faith."

― nickalicious, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

i dont think the tsunami will hit our island:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/2004_Indonesia_Tsunami.gif

unless that plane went waaaaaay of course.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

i'm thinking cause of tsunami instead of being affected by it

― jergïns, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

!!!!

― Ms Misery, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

Causing it would seem like a low thing to include on a tv show though... people really died in that tsunami, you know.

― Roz, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I don't think they'll go there.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

i was gonna say what grady said, re. uh guys wrong friggin ocean.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

Wasn't there a scene in the film of "Fahrenheit 451" where the vulgar rich people burn up trees for kicks at a cocktail party, using some kind of laser?

That was the mighty "Rollerball".

(way upthread xpost)

― Sparkle Motion, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

i was gonna say what grady said, re. uh guys wrong friggin ocean.

Not for the fake 815.

― nickalicious, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I would bet fake 815 gets knocked around in the water, possibly revealing some evidence that it's not the real one.

― mh, Friday, 18 May 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

Why would they put the fake 815 in the Indian Ocean if it's supposed to stand in for the Aus -> LA real one?

― nickn, Friday, 18 May 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

maybe if naomi had more than 2.5 lines of dialogue wrt WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING IN THE OUTSIDE WORLD we would know.

i am so frustrated that there hasn't been more between her and desmond now that she's up and walking. i know others are coming and he's trying to drown charlie, but jesus christ, the first newcomer to the island in god knows how long has a picture of you and your long lost love and there are no questions about it?????????

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

otm

Yeah, I would bet fake 815 gets knocked around in the water, possibly revealing some evidence that it's not the real one.

-- mh, Friday, May 18, 2007 7:46 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

yeah i think so too. although di'int she say FOUR MILES DOWN? planes have disappeared off the eastern seaboard of the US and never been found. if you think about it, weird scenario from soup to nuts.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 18 May 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

other BAD WRITING MISTAKE of late:

what the fuck do a satelitte phone and a radio tower have to do with eachother?

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

haha ILX 2.2 fucked up your name Grady.

I'm hoping Naomi survives to season 4 so she can have OFF-ISLAND POST-OCEANIC-815-CRASH flashbacks and all us easter egg hunters can seek out emportaunt clews in newspaper headlines etc.

― nickalicious, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

what the fuck do a satelitte phone and a radio tower have to do with eachother?

They're going to the radio tower to disable Rousseau's distress transmission. THEN they're going to use the satellite phone, duh.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

Technically speaking though do radio signals really interfere with satelite transmissions though?

― nickalicious, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

Eh yeah, probably not too much.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 May 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

i can understand Looking Glass Secret Controls interfering with satelite signals, but Sayid was all hot to trot on the radio tower before they knew about the looking glass.

― g®▲Ðұ, Friday, 18 May 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)

Aren't they going to the radio tower as that's where the helicopters will pick them up after they phone them once the transmissions can get through? I think they're just using the radio tower as a landmark, as in, HEY GUYS ON SHIP WE ARE ON ISLAND THAT HAS RADIO TOWER PLEASE TO PICK US UP?

― Clay, Saturday, 19 May 2007 01:32 (eighteen years ago)

no, Sayid was specifically saying he couldnt get the phone to work because of danielle's transmission.

― g®▲Ðұ, Saturday, 19 May 2007 01:35 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, right right yeah. Yeah that makes no sense really.

― Clay, Saturday, 19 May 2007 01:44 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if Danielle sold them out to Ben--maybe to get Alex back.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 19 May 2007 04:39 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm, it's a possibility. But when they got close to Otherville a few weeks ago, she just kind of took off because she decided she didn't want to see Alex after all.

― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 May 2007 05:04 (eighteen years ago)

There have always been questions about Danielle--she's the one who brought Ben to the camp, some people think her signal has been playing for 4 years rater than 16, & I don't think that taking off from Otherville was explained.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 19 May 2007 05:15 (eighteen years ago)

Just found out that "Richard Alpert" is the original name of Ram Dass, of whom I know little (Timothy Leary connection--author of book called "Be Here Now"--Oasis again!) but probably fits with some Dharma/Others eastern philosophy set of names.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 19 May 2007 05:28 (eighteen years ago)

His Wikipedia entry has this compelling bit: "Although they (Leary & Alpert) remained life-long friends, the two eventually began to part ways spiritually and philosophically as Leary continued to spread his mantra of "turn on, tune in, drop out", while Alpert increasingly found his purpose in the Hindu ideology of serving others."

― mulla atari, Saturday, 19 May 2007 05:40 (eighteen years ago)

people on this island need to start dropping acid.

walking by my neighborhood bookstore the other day i saw this:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/202/502057862_bca6268ff4.jpg

― jergïns, Saturday, 19 May 2007 08:46 (eighteen years ago)

is there even a single for "you all everybody", or something? are there any driveshaft mp3s? i'd really give them a listen. i have a soft spot for that sort of shit.

― andi, Saturday, 19 May 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

there is a set of LOST action figures. each one has a little base with a button you push to hear dialogue. charlie's has him going "YOU ALL EVERYBODY!"

― g®▲Ðұ, Saturday, 19 May 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

Just finished watching Smokin Aces and Alpert totally stabs Jack. Awesome scene. This might've been covered already.

― bear, bear, bear, Saturday, 19 May 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

Someone should sing "You All Everybody" as their American Idol audition.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)

Why would he? Desmond's already ascertained that Naomi never met Penny, she just happened to work for a company that had been hired to find him. She has no idea what's going on.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 19 May 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

it's just one of those conventions. i mean, people didn't ask desmond very much about his time on the island pre-815, really. in those long winter nights down the hatch he must have learnt at least a couple of things about dharma.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 19 May 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

i just learned that "Richard Alpert" is Ram Dass's real name.

― akm, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

more bad writings: does the pallet drop really contain so many mens and ladies razors?

― blueski, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, those Dharma hippies surely wouldn't be down with leg shaving.

― mulla atari, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

oh hey question for people who remember every detail of every episode: have we seen instances of people other than the 815ers interacting with Walt (especially before boarding the plane)? Because part of me wonders if he is dead, since if he isn't he is the only living person to appear to others spookily (a la Christian, etc.).

― jessie monster, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

have we seen instances of people other than the 815ers interacting with Walt (especially before boarding the plane)?

In flashback we saw him with his mom and stepdad (scene when the bird he's studying slams into the window and dies). I always thought this scene kind of implied that Walt may have inadvertantly caused his mom's death, btw.

― nickalicious, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

I can't stop wondering if they creators are pulling some Silent Hill 2 shit on us and Michael was actually going to Australia to get Walt's body/Walt died in the plane crash.

― jessie monster, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

Since I seem to remember that in the scene from the bird no one but Michael actually spoke to Walt. I could be wrong though.

― jessie monster, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

*scene with the bird

― jessie monster, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ms. Klugh interacted with him

― jergïns, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

Walt seemed to be alive in the SSN 2 finale-- and that was after he'd appeared to Shannon.

Before the Desmond/Button explanation, I'd assumed Walt caused the plane crash too.

― mulla atari, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

is there even a single for "you all everybody", or something? are there any driveshaft mp3s? i'd really give them a listen. i have a soft spot for that sort of shit.

http://www.driveshaftband.com/Bootlegs.htm

― onimo, Monday, 21 May 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

http://ack-attack.livejournal.com/370261.html

― Dan I., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 03:12 (eighteen years ago)

let's get this straight.

i would have sexuals intercourse with : sun, claire, juliet, libby, sawyer, cindy, and probably a bunch more. shit, probably the whole fucking lot of them. idk shitmos.

― andi, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 04:25 (eighteen years ago)

GODDAMN. Do Not read the spoilers on the Threadless "Spoilt" T-Shirt that's currently being blogged. I think i just read the GameChanger ;__;

― Slumpman, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 06:08 (eighteen years ago)

I just read that shirt. Repeatedly. I see no references to LOST there.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 06:34 (eighteen years ago)

A list of the references on that shirt:

Star Wars
Planet of the Apes
The Usual Suspects
The Wicker Man
The Crying Game
Harry Potter
The Sixth Sense
Dallas (WTF?)
The Matrix
Fight Club
300
Citizen Kane
The Others
Psycho
Soylent Green
The Village
A Beautiful Mind
Donnie Darko

― Jesse, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 06:35 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, the reference to the movie the others threw me for a second.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 07:01 (eighteen years ago)

Dallas (WTF?)

better not ref Dallas shooting/dream. I'll be pissed.

― jergïns, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 09:03 (eighteen years ago)

It was Earth all along!

― blueski, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 09:06 (eighteen years ago)

yeah slumpman confusing lost with the eric sykes vehicle The Others

― Alan, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

Wasn't his wife in the Others the woman who Desmond met?

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

Phew! though in fairness it would have been an awesome gamechanger.

― Slumpman, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

The finale is in less than 14 hours. How does this thread keep falling off the main page? Now I know what the next 9 months will feel like.

― mulla atari, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

plz don't take my losts awai :(((((

― g-kit, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not watching finale til monday! (bank holiday innit)

24 finale is in the bank and waiting...

― Alan, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

Heroes and Lost ending in the same week. I might end up watching British TV at this rate :(

― onimo, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

Don't say it, Onimo. At least there's still one more House to go. And a couple of Sopranos.

― accentmonkey, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

On the last Sopranos, somebody's going to say the nine-billionth name of God and we're all going to vanish.

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

What time is it on? Normal of 10Eastern/9Central or an hour earlier?

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

9-11pm eastern.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

Since I seem to remember that in the scene from the bird no one but Michael actually spoke to Walt. I could be wrong though.

-- jessie monster, Monday, May 21, 2007 2:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

um LOCKE much?

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

I'm gonna finish BSG S3 this week as well. Lawks.

― blueski, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

Are you guys thinking about the Walt/bird (pre-island) scene or the Walt/polar bear (on-island) scene? Because neither Michael nor Locke were there for the dead bird scene.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

What if...

somebody's flashbacks were not true/hadn't actually happened

and they'd just imagined it all...even inserting fellow survivors into their back story for whatever reason

I doubt this is the case with anyone but I quite like the idea right now.

― blueski, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

This could well be true with Hurley.

― onimo, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

no more than anyone else really

― blueski, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Hurley has a history of making people and events up, I think if they were going to do this they would pick Hurley. They already had an ep of him almost believing that was the case.

― onimo, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

No my idle wonderings involve everyone on the island being able to see/communicate with Walt, which is what makes him "special."

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

but he's really dead, DO YOU SEE.

I am so high on caffeine right now. Coffee of the Day, what was in you.

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

After 815 - he was on the raft with Michael and Sawyer and Jin, and Sawyer at least was all "i was trying to save your son, sorry the raft blew up." He also gave Vincent to Shannon and played backgammon with Locke - all in all, I think it's safe to say that Walt was alive at least up to getting kidnapped by the Others.

Maybe the time he appeared to Shannon, he was being experimented on and in fact died for like a few seconds before the Others revived him. you know, kinda like having an out-of-body experience.

― Roz, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

As usual, I won't be seeing LOST until tomorrow, but I'm going to watch at the apartment of a friend, who'll have TiVo'd it and be showing it to a few of us on a giant plasma-screen TV, so I'm pretty excited.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

Hurley has a history of making people and events up, I think if they were going to do this they would pick Hurley. They already had an ep of him almost believing that was the case.

I've been thinking about this and I'm guessing that Hurley's vision of people not there and everyone else's (Jack, Eko, Ben, Kate's horse, etc.) are of the same cloth. I have no idea what it means, but I think they are all connected to the same source. While it is true that Hurley supposedly experienced this off-island, he also experienced it on island like the other characters.

― Bill in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

we've seen too many different phases of Hurley's life tho.

people we have seen in their childhood:

Jack
Hurley
Sawyer
Ben
Sun
Walt (duh)
Charlie

anyone else?

― blueski, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

Eko

― jaymc, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

On the people not there, memory crossover... I know this was somewhat of a theory I read somewhere at one point, but I'm starting to get more and more convinced (at least today) that this is going to be like Blade Runner/many a Philip K Dick yarn. Lost people were sent by Dharma with implanted memories to the island to believe they were someone else. The cross-over people in the memories are actually Dharma people they all knew--this is their minds interpolating their actual memories with the implanted ones. This explains why all the memories are so unreliable and wonky. Dharma was actually bad somehow (Lost Experience vids allude to this) and the Lost people were sent there to eliminate the Others, ergo, Ben: "Jack, we're the good guys."

Of course, this doesn't explain how the plane crash coincided with the EM incident caused by Desmond.

I have a feeling I'm going to be really wrong with this.

― Bill in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

dude that theory might be wrong but it is AWESOME.

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

That's the best implanted-memory theory I've read yet. Still seems unlikely, but then, so did polar bears on a tropical island once upon a time.

SIX HOURS

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

FIVE HOURS AND FIFTY EIGHT MINUTES

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

God what am I going to do for 8 months.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

come up with bizarre LOST theories

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

This thread's going to just freak out tonight isn't it?

― Clay, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

I'll be afraid to click on it in the morning.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

A couple days ago I was so bored/inspired I read through all 5000+ messages! I wanted to see how we did as far as predictions/reactions/not realizing how otm cutty was with the Solaris comparisons.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

the longest i've gone without l o s t is like two months between s01 and s02 at the start of last year.

i'm going to have to take up heroin or something to get me through.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

Four hours, 22 minutes.

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

29 hours, 8 minutes :(

― jaymc, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

7 hours, 1 minute!

― Clay, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

wonder when the canadian torrents happen

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

about 8 am gmt, yeah?

― jergïns, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

I'm pretty psyched for this

work concentration is suffering

― dmr, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

8 hours 58 minutes over here : (

― g®▲đұ, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

253 DAYS, 3 HOURS, 57 MINUTES TO SEASON 4

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

1095 DAYS 3 HOURS 55 MINUTES TO SERIES FINALE

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

only 53 minutes away for me!

― abanana, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

about 8 am gmt, yeah?

-- jergï¿½ns, Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:01 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i think last week when i d/l'd about that time it said the torrent'd been up for a good few hours.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

I can usually find a low-seeder-count torrent before going to bed approx 1 am est; if I wait until I wake up at approx 6:30-7:00 am EST, it usually has in the thousands of seeders. I don't remember the difference from EST to GMT though.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

i should probably not stay up, to do this.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

5 hours, so 6 am gmt and 7 am for me in cet (this is fascinating, huh? i had to write it out to figure it out!)

watched last week's again to get me stoked. officially ready.

― jergïns, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

i once had a theory that everyone on the island had always been there, they were all being experimented on, and the memories were implanted and "switched" to who were the losties and who were the others, over and over again

does anyone understand what i am trying to say here

― cutty, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

yeah

― jergïns, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

all of these theories touch on the same point, that there's something that seems 'wrong' about the memories. and that basic point, not the specifics, feels pretty right to me.

― jergïns, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

Whatever happened to g-kit?

I personally hope that the flashbacks are true and not implanted, I prefer fate gone wild plot to omg conspiracy plot.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

all of these theories touch on the same point, that there's something that seems 'wrong' about the memories. and that basic point, not the specifics, feels pretty right to me.

-- jergï¿½ns, Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:22 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

"lobsters on the pier" a DELIBERATE ERROR!>!>!>!>!

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

That special called The Answers is being shown just before the finale, if anyone cares. I missed it a couple weeks ago when they played it but I think I'll watch it tonight to get my maximum dose.

― nickn, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

If you're familiar with everything talked about on this thread, that special is pretty worthless. No revelations or anything, but I guess it's a decent refresher.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

Oh man my straight-edge sister is coming over and I want to get stoned when I watch this. Solution: brownies, acookin'.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)

haha, straight edge

― andi, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

why do you feel you have to hide pot from your straight edge sister?

― cutty, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 23:51 (eighteen years ago)

do you hide meat around vegetarians too?

― cutty, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 23:54 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not hiding it from her just avoiding the inevitable douche-out she will go into when the smoke/vapes get going.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 23:55 (eighteen years ago)

better time those brownies right--you should be eating them right about now

― cutty, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)

Besides these brownies are awesome.

haha xpost

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)

253 DAYS, 3 HOURS, 57 MINUTES TO SEASON 4

Kit posts about Lost on the no-locale thread sometimes. Not sure why he's here.

One hour. Drinking wine, cooking some supper. yyeaahh!

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 24 May 2007 00:00 (eighteen years ago)

I HAVE BEEN GAMECHANGED BY SNAKE IN MAILBOX

(npghnyyl v thrffrq vg unysjnl guebhtu)

― abanana, Thursday, 24 May 2007 00:06 (eighteen years ago)

waaaaaaaa my cable's on the fritz

― Maria :D, Thursday, 24 May 2007 01:15 (eighteen years ago)

beardo jack, lol

― Dan I., Thursday, 24 May 2007 01:17 (eighteen years ago)

the beard is a KLUGH

― abanana, Thursday, 24 May 2007 01:55 (eighteen years ago)

I think they pitch-shifted Walt's voice up to make him sound younger.

― Dan I., Thursday, 24 May 2007 01:56 (eighteen years ago)

Oh HELL yes, Sawyer just became my favorite character.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 24 May 2007 02:31 (eighteen years ago)

ZOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

This may have been the most perfect episode of LOST ever.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:00 (eighteen years ago)

So..did the game get changed yet? I'm still not sure.

― bear, bear, bear, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:01 (eighteen years ago)

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD. ..

I don't know what to think but I know this thread will have a 1000 new posts by the time I get to work tomorrow.

wowowowowow.

what do we do until january??

(quick questions why did Jack tell that head of surgery "go get my father" did he never die??? also, did you notice the scrap of paper that said "oceanic" on his messy floor?)

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:01 (eighteen years ago)

no shocker about that, he was flying free on oceanic every weekend

― cutty, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

I've never as long as I've been watching television seen a character go from someone I didn't like much to someone I loved as much as Charlie in the last three hours of this show.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

now this is sort of like heroes but it doesn't make sense--who is around to change jack's knowledge of what will happen in the future?

locke walked away

― cutty, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

FLASH FORWARD

What do you suppose the newspaper clipping said? I think it was probably that Locke committed suicide or something. And is Kate supposed to be married to Sawyer now?

― Dan I., Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously. How can a show this good just keep getting better?

Also: dear LOST producers. You are fuckers. Love, Deric.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:04 (eighteen years ago)

i guess the only one that can save them is desmond

― cutty, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:05 (eighteen years ago)

WHAT HAPPENED AT THE END?

I missed a chunk of the final-scene convo because my DirecTV was spitzing! Did they reveal whose funeral? Did they say anything? Did they explain that weird pallor Kate had?

― David R., Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:06 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, flash forward. Did anyone else suspect that while it was happening? Something about it just seemed different, but I wasn't sure until the end.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:07 (eighteen years ago)

David, Jack just kept saying they should've never left and they (or at least he) had to go back to the island.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:08 (eighteen years ago)

No clue whose funeral it was.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

Ben's?

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

The thing that kinda made me wonder were all the maps & the Oceanic stuff on the table (right before the TWEEST), but I figured stumbling despondent Jack + In Utero = flashBACK.

― David R., Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone else notice the Saab that Kate was driving?

And the fact that she didn't look like she was on the run from the cops?

Awesome, 253 days until we get more questions.

I quit, seriously...

― MaGoGo, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, the funeral could've been many different people. Ben, Locke, Richard Alpert, Sawyer...who knows.

I LOVEHATELOVE this show.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

But...but Jack's dad? Alive? WTF?

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

WHA

― David R., Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:12 (eighteen years ago)

Either no one who died really died or Jack was loopy on oxycodone.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:12 (eighteen years ago)

Can't figure out the live-dad problem, but the funeral would have to be for somebody that nobody liked, so not Sawyer.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:14 (eighteen years ago)

Sawyer may be about to completely change, though.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

kate looks like she's had plastic surgery off-island

― Ai Lien, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

So I guess I missed the part of the convo where Jack said, "Hey, LOST viewers, my dad's alive, LOL."

― David R., Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe they'll return to the off-island world via time-warp, getting there before Oceanic #815 even takes off.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

Here's what I hope: Jack's flash-forwards were taking place in the present (meaning not 2004 or whatever). And we continue from that point, with everyone who made it off the island (which I'm sure isn't everyone) living back in the "real world" and flashing back to different events from the rescue on. I would be okay with the entire next season being about the Losties back home and trying to return to the island.

Wotta mindfuck.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

What's the deal with "We got to stop lying" line to Kate from Jack at the end?

― MaGoGo, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

Jack referred to his father in the present tense several times during his "flashback", David. Such as when he said: "Go get my father and if he's drunker than me etc."

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

I can't remember all the details, but did the funeral home guy or anyone else ever state that the person in the casket was male? The fact that it was purposely ambiguous leads me to believe it might be a woman.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:20 (eighteen years ago)

As an aside, I wd like to say thank you to the Lost Corporation for giving Charlie a heroic sendoff, & making Mikhail into an even bigger dick than I thought possible.

Deric: OH SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT - the WTF KATE? reveal threw me for a loop.

― David R., Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:21 (eighteen years ago)

P.P.S. Incidental in light of the HUGE REVEAL, but I knew that none of the Losties on the beach were dead. HABEAS CORPUS.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:22 (eighteen years ago)

oh man, mikhail's face

― cutty, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:22 (eighteen years ago)

I'm kind of sad the Aquaother hotties only lasted two episodes.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:23 (eighteen years ago)

Whoa. Whoa. We totally called fast-forward where I was watching it. That just threw a lot of cracked-out theories out the window. I have no guesses, we'll just have to wait...Awesome.

Yeah, srsly, what's up with Kate? Why the too much make-up?

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:23 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Kate's become kind of celebrity?

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:24 (eighteen years ago)

Soooooo...Charlie was the only non-Other to bite it, yeah? Aside from whoever was in the coffin. I'm gonna say...Ben? Place yer bets now!

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:24 (eighteen years ago)

Mikhail already had his eardrums zapped once this week, I guess he figured he could blow a grenade underwater a few feet away.

DAMN, THIS SHOW, IT BURNSSSS!!

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:25 (eighteen years ago)

lostpedia is toast right now

― abanana, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:25 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, is the next season going to be in LA? Is "lost" going to mean a mental rather than a physical state?

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:25 (eighteen years ago)

Mikhail is the INDESTRUCTIBLE MAN. I bet he'll be back, even if he's just a torso with a harpoon jutting from his chest. Mark my words.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:26 (eighteen years ago)

Well, they'll have to address who's actually on the rescue ship first. Ben said they were the real evil guys. Penny confirmed she didn't send them.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:26 (eighteen years ago)

it's her father though

― cutty, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:27 (eighteen years ago)

Likely, but what's his connection to Dharma, The Others, Jacob, etc? And why is everybody gonna DIE?

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:29 (eighteen years ago)

Because everyone is MORTAL.

Except for MIKHAIL.

And RICHARD ALPERT.

Because they are both PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:29 (eighteen years ago)

Oh btw, Tom R.I.P.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:30 (eighteen years ago)

lollllll flash forward

I kind of called it but I wasn't sure until Kate came out

― dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:32 (eighteen years ago)

good call on jack's dad being alive

― dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:32 (eighteen years ago)

guys, the doctor shook his head NO when jack brought up his dad

― cutty, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:38 (eighteen years ago)

True. I'm gonna have to watch this again tomorrow.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:39 (eighteen years ago)

jack stealing samples and then the nurse being in the same room, rofl

― cutty, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:40 (eighteen years ago)

I was laughing so much at Mikhail's "I HAVE GRENADE LOL" face, that kind of took the edge of the Charlie scene for me -- but otherwise, great finale.

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:44 (eighteen years ago)

what's with locke knifing a girl in the back and then not being able to kill jack? (maybe he was aiming for the phone and missed? cf. "You either have very good aim, or very bad aim.")

― abanana, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:49 (eighteen years ago)

So body count: Charlie, Tom, Naomi, Mikhail, Coffin Dude(tte), two Looking Glass Others, seven beach Others. Am I forgetting anyone?

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:52 (eighteen years ago)

no one has mentioned sayid breaking dude's neck with republican guard neck twist

― cutty, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:53 (eighteen years ago)

And Sayid is back in badass mode! The look between him and Sawyer after breaking dude's neck with his ankles was priceless.

xpost LOL

― dan m, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:54 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose Sayid never really leaves badass mode.

― dan m, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:55 (eighteen years ago)

Ohhhh yeah. That was pretty badass. Eight beach Others, then.

I kinda thought that Hurley was gonna kick for a minute. But I came to my senses. Seriously, though: why did the Others seem to become all sedate once the bus rolled in?

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:56 (eighteen years ago)

Ben sent 10 to the beach, and I presume they're all dead. Sayid broke a neck, Sawyer shot Tom and Hugo took out one with the bus.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:00 (eighteen years ago)

LOSTIES BE MASS-MURDERIN'.

― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

how great was that mother/daughter bonding (bondage) moment! tying up dear old dad.

― scott seward, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

lol "Hey, it's Charlie. Tell him I said 'hi'." Man, I'm totally bummed he's gone. He went from vaguely annoying to totally awesome in 3 episodes.

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:01 (eighteen years ago)

Sawyer shooting Tom was crazy

oh yeah and WALT BACK

― dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:02 (eighteen years ago)

What if we didn't see Charlie swim through the porthole once the ocean stopped rushing in?

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

We saw Charlie cross himself. Mistah Pace - he dead.

― David R., Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:11 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that was mostly just wishful thinking. The writers wouldn't taint the best death scene ever (hopefully).

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:12 (eighteen years ago)

Never again to sing "You All Everybody" in the charming falsetto that made him so punchable to Alpha Chick. ;_;

― David R., Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:13 (eighteen years ago)

locke did some good head-knifing

― dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:50 (eighteen years ago)

the falsetto version of "you all" was brought up in lost:answers (the recap episode). dominic monaghan tried to sing it in prince's camille voice in the pilot before the song was fully written for the show (it turned out much different than how he sang it).

― abanana, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:53 (eighteen years ago)

Or was that in the podcast? It was brought up recently, anyway.

― abanana, Thursday, 24 May 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)

what did Jack say when he stood on the edge of the bridge at the beginning? "Be with me" or "Forgive me"?

Giveaway for the flash-forward: Jack's phone was a RAZR.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:03 (eighteen years ago)

What a great finale!

Sad to see Tom die...and the underwater babes too. (ok, really just the dark-haired one, sigh...)

I'm just curious about where the next season will take place. Off or on island? I'm with whoever said it would be kind of cool to have an entire season off of the island.

Crazy.

― Z S, Thursday, 24 May 2007 05:38 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone else notice the Saab that Kate was driving?

The one that was a Volvo?

― rogermexico., Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:09 (eighteen years ago)

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― Clay, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:14 (eighteen years ago)

i take it kate isn't a fugative anymore

― akm, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:30 (eighteen years ago)

wow, that was great.

i was wondering about kate too -- did she assume another identity and that's how she escaped the feds? is this part of why she looks a little different now? also, is she somehow being held captive in some way by someone else now? hmmm.

i kind of think jack is maybe just out of it, a little bit perhaps? so i took his references to his dad just showed thatas much as the fact that oxycontin = delicious candy. so maybe his dad's really still dead and jack's using his script pads and asking meddling doctors to call him over...

i was annoyed at the incessant plugs for abc's new shows, except the geico caveman one, which looks ***amazing***, of course.

― Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:35 (eighteen years ago)

I finally realized why blonde Aquaother hottie looks familiar. She was Carrie Brady on Days of Our Lives in the early 90s.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:38 (eighteen years ago)

(did I just admit to watching Days of Our Lives in the early 90s?)

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:38 (eighteen years ago)

haha you're right

who was the brunette? she was familiar too. i am going to call her 'not-nina-from-24'

― akm, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:39 (eighteen years ago)

Jack's dad is definitely still dead, it was just a storytelling device to not give away the time period of the episode, but it's really clear that Jack's just mostly losing his shit real bad.

xpost.

― Clay, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:40 (eighteen years ago)

walt looks about two feet taller now...

― Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:48 (eighteen years ago)

but that might have been the angle.

― Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:48 (eighteen years ago)

enjoyed this particular lostpedia nerdism:

The name of the funeral parlor Jack goes to, "Hoffs/Drawlar," is an anagram for "flash forward".

― Mike McGooney-gal, Thursday, 24 May 2007 06:50 (eighteen years ago)

OH OH I HAVE A THEORY

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 24 May 2007 07:32 (eighteen years ago)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/gradygillan/werid2.jpg

― g®▲đұ, Thursday, 24 May 2007 08:27 (eighteen years ago)

WHAT.THE.FUCK.LOST.

Is this for all the people who refer to Jack's flashbacks as Jackbacks? Jackforward = Jackwad.

Also, the look on Charlie's face as he's standing there in the water, thinking about how to tell Desmond about Penny... ;_;

And "Good Vibrations"!

― Roz, Thursday, 24 May 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

how great was that mother/daughter bonding (bondage) moment! tying up dear old dad.

I larfed when Danielle punched Ben and then just stood there looking pissed. Parents, eh?

― Roz, Thursday, 24 May 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

This episode is still kind of a flashback in the sense of Jack in the future remembering the island and what Ben said "why would you want to go back? Back to the hospital so you can fix things?" And he turned to be completely right...

― Roz, Thursday, 24 May 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

Person in the coffin was a man, see headline.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Newspaperclipping2.jpg

― Roz, Thursday, 24 May 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

bahh http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Newspaperclipping2.jpg

― Roz, Thursday, 24 May 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

ok images not working. and now i've just posted like six times in a row.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Newspaperclipping2.jpg

― Roz, Thursday, 24 May 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

Lalalalala I can't read this thread yet. But I have to post to say that I deserve some kind of I Love ~~Everything~~Lost medal because I have it all ready to stream, the baby's asleep, I have nothing to do for the next two hours, and yet I'm NOT watching it until tomorrow out of consideration for my poor working husband. Argh!

― Archel, Thursday, 24 May 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

i'm guessing it was either ben or locke that died

― akm, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

but who the fuck knows, it was probably bernard and kate is shacked up with walt somewhere, beats me.

― akm, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

It was Ben's funeral: he had no one off the island, anybody who was "rescued" with him would hate him, and Jack is crying over it because Ben was right/Jack fucked up real bad.

Not sure if Walt was Walt or Jacob. When I saw his (Malcolm David Kelley's) name in the credits though I almost shat myself.

So what happens now? Jack, Kate, Alex etc escape, Sawyer & Sayid etc get left behind to team up with Richard and all those people he took to the temple? I want to see the temple.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

I'm thinking Ben. Nobody at the funeral, nobody in the real world would've known Ben. I would think even people like Locke and Sawyer would've got some haters.
xpost

Was the blonde aqua babe anywhere else in the show? She kind of reminded me of Jack's wife maybe?

Way too much to digest. . . Do we need an anticipation thread now?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

well... we need a much bloody shorter thread, so yeah. i've got cable internet and this thread is still taking forever to load.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

"LOST SEASON 4 AND WTF SEASON 3 FINALE THREAD"

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

I took the initative and started a new thread:

LOST 4 thread

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

Probably it was significant that Sawyer & Juliet went back & we see Jack & Kate in the flash forward. The first two don't get rescued--which leads to unresolved feelings in the "fixer." I'm assuming everyone on the beach gets left behind--and I doubt Sun or Rose would leave. Yeah, the funeral has to be for Ben.

Remember when the doctor told Jack he was a hero "twice"? Hmm.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

Shouldn't it be the Lost Season 4 anticipation thread?

― mulla atari, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Duh. I just clicked on it and that's what you called it.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Remember when the doctor told Jack he was a hero "twice"?

Interesting thought about left behind. However, could the twice be the plane crash and then the car crash?
I love the Mikhail line, "I thought you were on mission in Canada." What were aquaothers supposed to be doing in Canada?

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

Can I ask this thread to be locked? would anyone hate me? (should also add link on new thread.)

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

* So is Mikhael actually dead now? I would assume so but he's already been "killed" like three times.

* The consensus is that Jack referring to his "father" in the future is just him being drugged up and confused? This seems like a stretch to me, but I can't remember whether we know 100 percent for sure that Jack's dad is dead. I thought we did.

― n/a, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

I am still talking about season III, not anticipating season IV.

― n/a, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Seems reasonable at this point, but there should be a post season 3 thread and then an actual season 4 thread when it starts.

― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

It's an anticipating season 4 thread--which is basically what we're doing now. So I say we jump ship. Locking threads is lame tho.

― mulla atari, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

you can talk about season three on the season four anticipation thread. this one has served us well and could probably be locked now.

Countdown: Jan 2008 -- The LOST Season 4 Anticipation Thread

― scott seward, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

i'm in favor of this unwieldy beast being put down like an island polar bear. all in favor?

― scott seward, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not in favor but whatever.

Remember when the doctor told Jack he was a hero "twice"?

Yes, he saved the kid AND the mother in the car.

I don't think anybody in the future knows about the plane crash, it's what he & Kate were lying about.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

you can talk about season three on the season four anticipation thread. this one has served us well and could probably be locked now.

I think the point is a smaller thread. I don't think any of us are anal enough to say we may not discuss season 3. what the hell would we talk about then?

so no locking? I think we all want to keep talking together but this thread is huge.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

This seems like a stretch to me

me too.

but I can't remember whether we know 100 percent for sure that Jack's dad is dead.

where did we last see him? drinking in the car, right? and then Jack was going to the funeral, so we just ASSUME that daddy's dead, but...

― kenan, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

I was all by myself and I literally threw my hands up in the air and shouted when Locke revived.
I also cried when Sun and Jin hugged.
And Hurley and Sawyer...again, cried.
I'm a gonna watch it again - right now.
Two hours of awesomeness!

― aimurchie, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe when Jack said, "Go find my father and ask him how drunk he is" etc he was just pointing out that his father was allowed to work at the hospital in as bad or worse condition. But again, a stretch.

― kenan, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

Kenan - Jack's dad was last seen at the morgue in Australia, Jack identified his body. He wasn't just going to the funeral, he was bringing the coffin back to LA. But his body disappeared from the coffin when they crashed. So at least to Jack, he's dead.

Or maybe the Island revived him, I don't know.

― Roz, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

ah that's right. Ok carry on, I've been slipping on this show but OMG the last hour of last night was killer.

― kenan, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

re: the RAZR it was kind of a double head fake, I thought the Nirvana song put it in the past but then he had fancy new phone

― dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

why is everyone such a dick to hurley?

― funny farm, Thursday, 24 May 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

BECAUSE HE'S FAT

― n/a, Thursday, 24 May 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

same reason Sawyer didn't want Kate to come back to the beach, they didn't want him getting shot up

they insult out of love!

oh by the way a big WTF goes out to Bernard, way to rat out yr wife's escape route to save Jin

― dmr, Thursday, 24 May 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

way to rat out yr wife's escape route to save Jin

haha. i didn't think of that.

― funny farm, Thursday, 24 May 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah -- indirectly, Bernard got Charlie killed.

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 24 May 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

I finally realized why blonde Aquaother hottie looks familiar. She was Carrie Brady on Days of Our Lives in the early 90s.

She was also the babysitter in the meta-Freddy movie. & she gets killed there, too. RIP.

― David R., Thursday, 24 May 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

"Yeah -- indirectly, Bernard got Charlie killed."

How do you figure?

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 24 May 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

Ben had already given the order to Mikhail to kill Charlie before they even captured Bernard.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 24 May 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

If anyone needs me I'm going to be at one of the new threads. WHICH ONE?? I dunno....

― Jesse, Thursday, 24 May 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

(Oh, both of those links were to the same thread!)

Anyway, goodbye LOST season 3 thread--we should call you Hurley, because you were lovely and fun but way too big.

― Jesse, Thursday, 24 May 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

Ach, you are right re: Bernard

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 24 May 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

HI DERE USE NEW BOOKMARK FEATURE SO BIG THREAD IS SMALLER THREAD.

― g®▲đұ, Thursday, 24 May 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

IT WAS A KRZR NOT A RAZR!

― chaki, Thursday, 24 May 2007 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

I'll read the new thread in a minute but I just want to tell this one it's been great

I started really liking Charlie in the last few weeks, writers = emotionally manipulative bastards :(

― onimo, Friday, 25 May 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

Don't start a new thread there already is one!

― nickalicious, Friday, 25 May 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

All I want to say before I say goodbye to the season three thread is that this was the greatest hour and a half of TV I've seen since, I think, the very first episode of Lost. And I cried when Charlie died.

That's all.

― accentmonkey, Friday, 25 May 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and Saayid kicks everyone's ass. EVERYONE'S.

― accentmonkey, Friday, 25 May 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

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Awesome :)

― onimo, Friday, 25 May 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)

sayid snapping dude's neck with his hands literally tied behind his back = OTM

― g®▲đұ, Friday, 25 May 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

just watched. interrupted by my brother w/ 5 mins left, buzzing the door 2 hours after I thought he had got on a train to london!

phew

those last 5 mins!

I had 4 diff guesses

charlie needn't have died--how long would it have taken for the whole station to fill? desmond was already getting the diving stuff

lots of other stuff, too

should read this thread eventually

― RJG, Saturday, 26 May 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

charlie needn't have died--how long would it have taken for the whole station to fill? desmond was already getting the diving stuff

i think he called it right, though i'm not that good at physics. having a secret underwater base might be handy.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 26 May 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

might be able to fix hole and the computer stuff is waterproof as the woman said. stranger things have happened.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 26 May 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

charlie gave his life so they could have a handy secret underwater base!

think the water wouldn't have been past their knees, by the time they were ready to go w/ the diving stuff

― RJG, Saturday, 26 May 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

physics-wise, though, wouldn't the entire structure have to be pressurized and wouldn't the explosion fuck that up? i'm not sure how it works.

― That one guy that quit, Saturday, 26 May 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

hmm, suppose water in would increase pressure but don't know how it would go on and still don't think they would have been unable to escape...before something happened

pressure in charlie's wee sealed room didn't make him blow up, either

― RJG, Saturday, 26 May 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Charlie thought he had to die to let Claire + baby escape though, don't forget. I think that's why he shut himself inside the room even though he'd have time to get out really.

― JimD, Saturday, 26 May 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

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