[ADMIN] Future hosting of ILXor.com

wheres that ile epitaphs thread

Thanks for the effort so far guys - without it I would be getting too much done at work.

srsly, though, thanks!

get the fuck in, say i. top work, sinister high-level ILX cabal dudes :)

Andrew, Alang, Zack, DG, Ned, whoever (my ILX history knowledge is rubbish), consider yourself recipients of lots of "we're not worthy" signs.

many thanx to doers n' makers!

Do we expect to see anything different GUI-wise? Or will it look business as usual on the surface, only work better?

There is a different GUI on offer, but from what I understand you'll be able to switch to an ye olde stylesheet. The new interface looks pretty nice, though.

ilx.wh3rd.net, ilx.p3r.net, and ilxor.com will all point to the new server.

i have to say - the text thing is the one aspect that makes it possible for me to hang out here due to hardcore boss alert. so fingers crossed that there is such a switch in the new version.

having said that - the community that maintains this corner of the wired world does a fantastic job.

ta muchly.

This be nu-nu-ilx, did you not here tell of the exodus from greenspun in ought-three.

i would also like to see some snapshots of this GUI you speak of

go on, wake him up. throw water in his face. kick him in his bollocks. tell him to get his arse on here and start posting.

(it occurred to me that you'd be at work 4.5 seconds after i hit "send". ach.)

Eh what? This is nu-ilx. There has only been this one and the original greenspun board.

Thanks to everyone involved.

I think I'll carry on with the old skool interface; I'm quite fond of it.

http://wow.stratics.com/content/events/gencon/ogre01.jpg

L-R: Ian Johnson, Dom Passantino, Jon Williams, Mickey

The new server: Because the new code is much more hardcore -- lots of ILX will run in memory now -- we need a beefy server to host it. The money we've raised is enough for a basic server, but with a bit more, we can get a really good one. I know there were lots of people who missed the last donation drive, so I'll set up another one in a bit. More cash == faster ILX, essentially.

The plan: It depends a bit on the current hosts, but it sounds like Nov 14th is a deadline. While the new code works, it hasn't yet been properly stress-tested. As soon as the new box is in place, we'll ask everybody to start hammering it to see if we can find the cracks. If we find big problems, there might be a weekend of downtime after the old one is down and the new one is up ... but that won't be anything unusual :)

ooh, good!

'was this post helpful you - Y/N?' or 'rate this post' function

I am amused by the thought that people will think "wow! I want to try it!" and go to http://192.168.0.4 to try to play with it.

the new one that is

it is their job to be uppity. about anything.

they should learn to chill out like us Brits

the new answers tally was pretty useful, would be nice to have it back.

hopefully we can have number of unread posts on ilx 2, or someone can write a new version of sterling's greasemonkey workaround (which has never worked for me). it's a feature i miss.

Requests should probably come after we get the basics up and sturdy, because time's pretty tight.

attached to a total fucking cock.

It's worth pointing out too that on the launch the first version of the software isn't going to have anything like as many features as current ilx does, and we'll need to do some real testing/bug fixing for a bit. After that it should be fast and stable though, and then we can cruft it up with oddities like before, ha.

Oh dear. This better not give anyone daft ideas about namestealing.

A working statscock? Imagine!

i know this is shitty to say, but i don't have time to read all of this read. can someone do a FAQ on the changes??

The server move will happen on or around Nov 14. If it goes down for a bit then, that's why.

The new server will run the old code for a bit until everything's across and stable. Then we'll start talking about moving to the new code. No rule changes that I can think of. Feature differences, yes, but more nearer that time.

this means that the old posts aren't going over too then? :-(

if there is a problem with reusing the md5 passwords in the user db, how about mailing out reset codes/new passwords to the private e-mail addresses of reg'd users? Any accounts not claimed after X weeks could be wiped.

sorry to suggest work for someone who's not me when i dropped any rights to care about this some time back

Provide evidence of never having abused your mod privileges previously?

no, there is an import script for the old messages which is working (new schema is slightly different but should handle everything). keith's done quite a bit in ensuring data integrity (foreign keys etc), i gather.

new code, which i haven't actually seen, is java running on tomcat and mysql 5. i think this is a bit harder on the system but means you can have things like pages and searches cached in memory.

woo, java ilx! HARDCORE! can we call it jlx?

http://msig.info/web2v2/(reflect)ILXORBETA.png

http://msig.info/web2v2/(reflect)ILXrBETA.png

http://www.tequestadistrict.org/JPEG/Famulari216.jpg

2. I rilly rilly want to be able to ignore specific users. (Pot kettle black.)

kirby, i find it quite easy. i have an ignore feature - IN MY MIND.

we've discussed killfiles before and the opinion was that it would be more disruptive than helpful.

Nobody (specially ILE) knows who I am anymore, Ally, IF THEY EVER DID.

Anyone who is truly SO annoying as to need a special little computef function just so you can block them out without ever having to have read their post - or registered their existence - in the first place should just be banned. Like Nude Spock, for instance.

AFAIK that host doesn't have the requisite software to run the new site.

Update: Andrew managed to cajole some extra time out of the hosting people so the final, fixed, move date is November 29. The new server has been ordered from Sun, and we're just waiting on delivery, which should be sometime this week. It'll be configured with both the current software and the environment for nuNuILX.

Once it is in place in Canada, the database has been copied over and the URLs switched to it and everything's cool, we'll start looking at a transition to the new code.

if not, would linking directly to illegally uploaded music (ala the old YSI threads) be less frowned upon/forbidden as it currently is on ILX?

THE SECRET REVEALED!

c('°c)

Wow, that was a good use of our money. FUCKING SUN.

What is being done with the old server?

Rules of Conduct
You agree that you will not use the Site for any purpose that is unlawful or not permitted by this Agreement. By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree that when uploading to or communicating via the Site, including in respect of any forums, chat-rooms or other exchanges (a “Forum”) accessed on or through the Site, you shall not do any of the following:

...
* Upload or otherwise transfer files that contain software or other material protected by intellectual property laws (or by rights of privacy or confidentiality) unless you own or control the rights thereto or have received all necessary consents.
...

whether linking to a file somewhere else breaks this clause i wouldn't like to say... 'otherwise transfer'?

so you did donate in the end?

whether linking to a file somewhere else breaks this clause i wouldn't like to say... 'otherwise transfer'?

i think this requires clarification, ideally from PTW

of course you can bitch, but 'our money' seemed a funny term given your stance

blueski, why are you obsessed with turning ilx into fluxblog 2.0?

if you really want to know (and i had a feeling you would), YSI threads were a v popular, successful and useful element on ILM for quite some time before Andrew asked for songs not to be directly linked to anymore. in my experience i find the msg board to be perfect environment for that sort of thing (more than a blog or a p2p client), bar the legal concerns (which affect blogs and p2p clients also of course).

so why are you so against it?

No reinstatement of YSI threads please. It got very annoying the way threads on new releases kept rapidly deteriorating into requests for MP3s

Er, the whole point of YSI threads was to re-route that from threads on releases (which was already happening and has partly curtailed since because of the board becoming reg-only anyway)

different server/host, possibly different rules. there is no harm at all in merely asking the question.

Yeah, but it didn't work though. In fact, once it got round that ILM was a great place to request Justice vs Simian - Never Be Alone any MP3 you wanted, it started attracting people here purely for that purpose.

No reinstatement of YSI threads please. It got very annoying the way threads on new releases kept rapidly deteriorating into requests for MP3s.

-- Matt DC (runmd...) (webmail), Today 12:16 PM. (Matt DC) (later) (link)

I'd like to see the current rule w/r/t YSIs and suchlike continued, for the reason Ed states, above. I'll email and ask Gerry from PTW what their position is on this tomorrow. Even if they're ok w/it (which I very much doubt), I'm not keen - even with reg-only I can see loads of people registering just to exploit the board for free music if it gets around that it's ok here. I think this is one of those "in an ideal world...." situations that in the real world will get screwed over by people basically taking the piss.

in the past, but I've been less than impressed with the value of the SPARC machines.

I believe Allan shopped around a bit, and the Sun machine was the best deal.

http://destination-out.com/

I'm afraid this isn't the case. MyISAM doesn't support referential integrity. I don't think it's a massive deal and still think it's likely the right choice for this; at least, right now. I might look into InnoDB at some stage, for both transactions and RI constraints, but at the same time I'll probably shift the data access to stored procedures to avoid runtime access path calculation and to neatly centralise data logic (though, it's all in one class for now). At a guess, InnoDB is likely to be slower, but support more throughput. Didn't write stored procedures for now as I figured it was more sensible to maintain compatibility with earlier versions of MySQL. Lack of transactional control resulted in the loss of a total of two threads out of ~130,000 on existing ILX, so hardly anything to get keyed up about.

just out of curiousity, how does that cause a whole thread to die

They weren't existing threads, incidentally, more like new questions... I should've maybe been a bit clearer.

- move to InnoDB... Would require a good bit of thought and performance testing
- write a stored procedure, instead of several pieces of dynamic SQL, which would turn the whole thing into a transaction
- or least invasively, write a compensatory transaction (i.e. remove the duff record if the second transaction fails). This is a bit shitty, because the compensatory transaction could possibly fail too, but it is an option that is used in the real world.

I'm not doing anything for now based on the previous failure rate and the fact that there are more important things to do.

http://www.fettemama.org/wp-content/keiner_mag_linux.jpg

now what?

lol

http://status.ilxor.com

I'll post another update on Monday. Yours in SB.

shit, is this what happens when admins get sb'd?

Pretty much what I said on status -- our current deal runs out at the end of June. I am trying to get in touch with the hosts to work out exactly how much cash they're looking for to keep us on. I'm also chasing up a couple of sponsorship possibilities.

What we need: space for a 1U server with bandwidth greater than 120gb a month. Because of the way the code works (lots of in-memory caches) we really need a machine to ourselves, so shared hosting is pretty much out. We own our server anyway, so that's not a problem.

Last I heard we were looking at a bill of $1200 a year to stay where we are. That figure is pretty out of date though, so I need to get an update on that. Quick comparisons have that being pretty cheap -- there are cheaper 1U colos, but that's usually on way less bandwidth than we need.

Anyway, it's late here, so more tomorrow.

Cool -- but the front page still shows just a link to the status site!

that's yr cache: shift-reload

pwned

That's my name (plus a prefix).

$1200 a year? that is nothing. throw google adsense on here and that'll pay for that, probably. I know we've had that discussion before and no-one wants it, but c'mon.

or 100 people donating $12 each, which seems at least as easy as relying on adsense.

(i wonder if it would be a tax-deductible donation...)

Can we petition Obama for stimulus money?

tbh ilx is worth wayyyy more to me than $12/year.

ya it's worth at least $13.50

Can we petition Obama for stimulus money?

Too bad the UK expenses scandal happened when it did, we probably could have gotten a few grand from some MP.

i would totally donate $12 to keep google ads away.

xp tipsy: if you had self-employment income from writing about music, film, whatever you could probably write it off as a business gift.

there was a point where the idea of raising money through ads for non logins was an option. does anyone know if that would still work (on at least a supplemental level?)

just saying that since we require login to post, it would just be an incentive to join. also, 1p3 would be our driving economic power, which is pretty awesome.

we should charge to be on 77

$7.77

Oh yeah, almost forgot about 77. Thanks for reminding me. I already helped pay for the server your secret board is on, I'm not paying for your traffic.

good post

i will only donate in memory of deeznuts

Stan makes an interesting point but for $12 (or even double) I'm not particularly bothered.

As we love them so much how about getting Pitchfork or the NME to sponsor us?

Or The Guardian?

With such a large userbase I'd expect that ILX could survive on donations from users, could it not? It's more than worked on other sites I've used in the past (#it, DFFD and a local cycling forum).

won't go above $5, if i'm honest.

How many users are there on here? In both the #it and DFFD cases, when hosting issues struck and donations were opened up and brought to the fore, the amount collected was significantly above that needed I believe. I'd hate to think things would be any different here.

A small amount from lots of people adds up, to state the obvious. I wouldn't pay vast sums either, but would be happy to do my bit and reckon lots of others would too.

We've raised money before - I seem to remember Stet set up one of those justgiving pages or something similar and I'm pretty sure we reached whatever amount it was very quickly.

I'm still trying to figure out how Ned (Raggett) posted while still getting a link to the status site on the front page.

ask TOMBOT

Obama's new Raggetczar

Raggetttzar

I'd be happy to donate 12$ or more, but I'm not sure if I can do that since I don't have a Visa or any other proper credit card. Can you donate money online using Visa Electron? I do have that one.

^^^ this, but using Maestro/Cirrus

I guess that paying for ILX would mean the end of SBs?

how about #dollarspaid = #votes needed before ban

Read only fee.

full refund upon being SB'd

One way of ensuring that ILx doesn't get caught out financially is maybe to set up an annual fee (with login privileges dependent upon paying the fee, otherwise it's strictly read/lurk only) - if we say $5 per poster then a minimum of 600 posters would be enough to keep it going.

reject likely bannees payments

http://i43.tinypic.com/2j3shhc.png

Can I just add that MS Paint suxx majorly?

I would happily pay $5, pretty much without thinking. $10 might give me pause, though I'd probably still pay. More than that could put me off.

Compared to movies/tv/books/games/relationships/price per hour, even $100/year would still be some of the cheapest entertainment ever.

Not that everything here (cursing cancer thread, e.g.) is entertainment, obviously, but you know what I mean

$5 you get an avatar, $10 post editing, $20 suggest ban immune, $50 your own board, $100 sitewide admin privs

I think we should probably wait for Keith or Stet to come back to us on how much this is going to cost, whether they can get another sponsor, and what they intend to do about it before speculating on the implications for this that and the other. It's just a waste of time otherwise.

$100 sitewide admin privs

I'd rather keep the admins we have now instead of whoever gives the most money. :-/

just for the record, i was totally kidding about the $5.

you guys.

for $100 you get ownership of Martin Jol

(I know most of you are joking by the way, I just want to avoid a lengthy discussion about ads or admin privs or suggest bans that may turn out to be largely irrelevant to the matter in hand)

OMG what have I done - that totally looks like I LIKE the admins we have now! Edit post! Undo! :-)

(we know) (xpost) :-)

for $100 you get ownership of Martin Jol

wouldn't let him drive the train to cork for that money

I didn't realise how much I missed ILX - even just as a resource to research music - until it was gone.

Give us a paypal account to throw our money at. Anything to keep it ad free.

It's just a waste of time otherwise.

Posts that effortlessly sum up, etc...

It's just a waste of time otherwise.

j/k
seriously though, this place is one of the main reasons that I'm not running down the street naked yelling obscenities at people

Wasting time is one of the main points of ILX, be that a good thing or a bad thing.

The main point surely?

Been away for a few days and nearly wept when I tried to access ILX yesterday (before the resurrection). Echoing those above, I'd absolutely pay a few quid/$$$ into the hosting pot.

Sorry about that. Took it down to get a database backup. Slightly nervous that the restart they did on Friday may have screwed some stuff up on the computer, so want to get a database backup to ensure it can all be recreated should the worst happen.

keith: caek.css has disappeared from the list of stylesheet options.

waaaahhhh!

Oh dear... Sorry. Can you email it to me, please?

i don't think i have a copy. not kicking around in backups anywhere? if not, i'll redo it (which will take me over thirty seconds)

I think what must've happened is that it was put up on the live site but not on my development copy. This is my backup, so I don't have it here. That said, you probably emailed it to me before... Just looked, no. Did you email it to Stet? If so I can get him to pass it to me later (he's not around at the moment).

(In that I don't back up the software, as there's typically no need; just the database... These things are just stored as files in a directory).

sorry, it's here: New stylesheet: old.css without image resizing

OK, should be there now.

thanks!

Can't we just subtly amend our posting styles to rake in lucrative marketing dollars? I was thinking about just now while listening to my awesome MICROSOFT ZUNE, a great piece of technology that is changing the way we view and interact with media and one that I highly recommend.

guys dont worry we can totally use my worldwide zombie computer spambot network to host ilx

I guess that paying for ILX would mean the end of SBs?

you have to donate 1200 bucks to be able to SB, but everybody you SB is permabanned

(donated before & will happily donate again obviously)

I was just about to go to BURGER KING when I noticed ILX was back. What a wonderful restaurant and message board respectively.

+---------------------------------+----------+
| stylesheet                      | count(*) |
+---------------------------------+----------+
| style.css                       |     3623 | 
| old.css                         |      204 | 
| kenan_style.css                 |       39 | 
| blueski.css                     |       35 | 
| keith.css                       |       34 | 
| caek.css                        |       28 | 
| iPhone.css                      |       18 | 
| style-monochrome-no-borders.css |       16 | 
| style2.css                      |       15 | 
| black.css                       |        8 | 
| style3.css                      |        7 | 
| style-monochrome.css            |        6 | 
| test.css                        |        4 | 
| keith2.css                      |        3 | 
| naus.css                        |        1 | 
| 3270.css                        |        1 | 
+---------------------------------+----------+

If it wasn't for ILX I would surely have never found out about what a great newspaper The Daily Mail is. I read it from cover to cover stopping only to take a sip from my Innocent smoothie.

3270.css | 1

This person is a baller.

28 fans of giant images, Caek.

1 mainframe programmer, Dan.

And 1 Naus.

I just tried 3270 and now I have a headache.

This is what I'm talking about! I think we can make a slight adjustment which nobody will notice and won't affect anybody's enjoyment of the boards. In fact, it might be refreshing - just like Coca-Cola!

I kind of like naus but the penguins are distracting.

^^ rong

Although I fancy a tasty PENGUIN biscuit now.

Can we cut the idiotic fucking humour and get back to the matter in hand please?

This hardman mod post was bought to you by ASP - unequalled in police baton design

Matt, joking aside, you're probably right here. We've got four weeks or so to sort this out, and it's not going to be as easy as last time, because we need ongoing donations this time, not one-offs, as it's the hosting fees we need to pay, not just buy a computer.

maybe we can get a sponsorship deal with Custos Holdings Inc.!

I can kick a couple dollars in this time around, but I am 100% behind using Google Ads and Guess Papers lurkers to finance this bitch after the first year.

If we went with the subscription model, who would actually be in charge of the money side of things? In fact, how much coding would be required to implement a subscription service?

Maybe the Guess Papers dudes can go legit and we can get a cut as commission?

This is one Dom P you won't want to cast out:

http://images.winecommune.com/lotImage/169151644.jpg

Provocative taste and refreshing zing in every glass

I don't know it had lard in it??

I think a subscription model would be kinda problematic, because how would posters like me who don't own a credit card pay the subscription?

with your blood

I mean, I'd be happy to pay it, but I don't know how to do it. Would it work with Visa Electron?

You wouldn't want to pay subscriptions from credit cards anyway, they're a total b****** to stop, in that you can't, you rely on the people at the other end being nice enough to stop them.

i've had a platinum ilx account for like two years - i have enjoyed a significant speed boost on page loads, it's also much funnier than when i use my work account

PayPal or something like that?

You wouldn't want to pay subscriptions from credit cards anyway, they're a total b****** to stop, in that you can't, you rely on the people at the other end being nice enough to stop them.

Well how should we do it then?

I don't know.

being completely genuine tuomas, i'll pay for you if it means you stop asking.

subject to the SB refund discussed upthread

Suggest bank?

asking what, though?

I mean, I think it's quite complex, like the fact that if you were to pay, then assuming we keep it hosting where we are we have one of two options:

• You make a payment in US dollars, which means the fees could be covered, but that what you actually pay in Europes is going to change with the exchange rate
• You make a payment in Europes, which means that we potentially don't cover the fees

i'm trying to get my head around the evident fact that tuomas can charge people not to ask questions, in a reversal of the UK MP scandal

if the cost is in dollars, then i guess it makes sense to pay that and we yurpeens will just have to go with the exchange rate on it.

i think we should just set up stalls in major cities where people can pay any way they like.

That said, I doubt the amount of money we'll need is that massive, though we're waiting on a reply from the hosts on that one, so it shouldn't really be a problem if we can figure out the logistics.

charge per minute fees for use of MRF and IMP

What would we do with the surplus?

MODFAP

Blow it all on custom smilies.

does anyone who has experience w/ ads on websites know how much revenue we could potentially generate from ads for nonregistered/logged out users?

$100/nonregistered user

imo

does anyone who has experience w/ ads on websites know how much revenue we could potentially generate from ads for nonregistered/logged out users?

Read this in a Fagin/Malcolm McLaren voice.

I can kick a couple dollars in this time around, but I am 100% behind using Google Ads and Guess Papers lurkers to finance this bitch after the first year.

― resistance is feudal (WmC), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:23 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^

What's going to happen with you after this year then?

I'm expecting to be better off next year what with Cameron being PM and all.

prob just ascend to a higher state of consciousness or whatever

yeah we should all be evolving into a new species by then right?

Surely we could get a whip around happening at l0u1s jagg3r's local chapter of the Young Tories?

if you're going subscription then you should take payment in the currency your costs are incurred in.

Paypal does subscription and recurring payments, btw: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/xcl/rec/subscr-intro-outside

why not just have ads?

cuz it would be better if there weren't.

dunno about setting up subscription payments?

surely just bumping the thread in december every year will do it, allied with automatic banning of those that haven't paid up by Jan?

love those 28 caek.css bros, but can i charge a subscription too?

i mean, bronsonator, that i'm sure most people agree that the lack of internetty visual clutter like ads and shit is one of ILX's main attractions. if it can be avoided it should.

because they'll just end up being for christian fundamentalists and abortion 'advice' clinics, etc.

^^ not the actual reason

i am totally fine with:

1) pledge drive now to get us through the next year/this difficult time
2) google ads for non-registered users
3) see where what kind of money this brings in, and if it's falling short then subscriptions

it's one of them, surely? (xpost)

logistics involved in subscriptions are not inconsiderable, and i'd be staggered if it could be set up within a month

ads might brighten the place up a bit

Well, that's why you do a pledge drive now and develop the subscription model over the next 12 months.

I second caek, but I really doubt this would ever come down to subscriptions. Unless there are going to be recurring costs beyond server hosting, a yearly pledge drive would probably do it, unless I'm dramatically overestimating the giving potential here.

If anything, funding drives have usually been oversuccessful.

ads might brighten the place up a bit

Yes, let's have some ads for Challops Weekly, the Daily Troll and the Contrarian, that'll brighten up your day

you wouldn't want a situation where exiled former posters were taking out garish attack ads

Is the subscription model being seriously considered? I can only see that putting people off and heavily discouraging new posters.

Whip-round this year seems like the best and quickest solution, maybe with a voluntary monthly donation or whatever from then on. Like when people adopt donkeys in Iraq or whatever.

you wouldn't want a situation where exiled former posters were taking out garish attack ads

― EMPIRE STATE HYMEN (MPx4A), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:17 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

that has so much potential

THIS THREAD IS PROBABLY SHIT

If there's any money left we could still adopt half an Iraqi donkey, right?

sorry I meant to post that on the UK Watercooler 36: ANATOLIAN BREAKFAST thread

How much does shilling zwinkies make?

i do pretty good

Whip-round this year seems like the best and quickest solution, maybe with a voluntary monthly donation or whatever from then on. Like when people adopt donkeys in Iraq or whatever.

― Tits Bramble (Matt DC), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:17 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe we could pay to adopt a poster?

I am also vehemently opposed to a subscription model, and I'll be willing to drop $20.

i am totally fine with:

1) pledge drive now to get us through the next year/this difficult time
2) google ads for non-registered users
3) see where what kind of money this brings in, and if it's falling short then subscriptions

― caek, Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:11 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^ i think this is a good way to go for now

U2 raped a goat?

It keeps The Edge's fingers supple and young.

when we do the pledge drive we have to have a rolling pledge drive thread where the mods post and do songs (HI D@N) and comedy routines for the amusement of the potential pledgers.

Only if the songs are in the style of Lawrence Welk.

why not just have ads?

― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:09 AM (17 minutes ago)

cuz it would be better if there weren't.

― s1ocki, Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:09 AM (16 minutes ago) [IP: 74.59.88.98] Bookmark

But they won't show up for us! Soaking lurkers seems like such an obvious solution, I just don't see why there's any opposition.

and if u donate enuf u get an ILX tote and a cafepress book of all of john ds posts

and threads would be interrupted in the middle of long awesome clusterfuck discussions for important pledge drive information

http://students.usm.maine.edu/patricia.kamp/pbs_logo.gif

and threads would be interrupted in the middle of long awesome clusterfuck discussions for important pledge drive information

oh snap, I am totally doing this from now on

subscriptions would kill ilx absolutely

Way too many people know about ad blockers to still seriously consider ads as a viable long term solution, or do these things just hide the ads and you still get paid for their visits?

people who put google ads on their site make money

well if we went w/google which would be the best solution wed get paid for clicks

not a lot, but we don't need a lot

xpost

oh, ok.

most people who use the internet are not smart enough to use the internet. WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE PEOPLE

subscriptions would kill ilx absolutely

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:34 AM

i vote for subscriptions!

Another idea, could we do something to generate iTunes/Amazon/whatever affiliate money. Auto generate a link to a track or book or DVD for non logged in types?

$1200 a year would be no problem w/google

subscriptions would kill ilx absolutely

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:34 AM

i vote for subscriptions!

― am0n, Tuesday, June 2, 2009 10:38 AM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i suspected this might be the basic motivation

most people who use the internet are not smart enough to use the internet. WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE PEOPLE

Just put up an ad on townhall.com saying donations appreciated to fund criticism of Obama. (If questioned, we will point to Dr. Morbius's various posts.)

everyone is right, subscriptions are a bad idea, i would like to revise my three point plan:

1) pledge drive now to get us through the next year/this difficult time
2) google ads for non-registered users
3) have a good time all the time

i think the real question we need to be asking ourselves is what to do with the profit we make of adverts after hosting is covered

colony on mars

ferrari raffle twice a year

get me through grad school

Any money left over could just be kept in surplus for mods' hookers and cocaine expenses the next time we need cash to keep everything going, surely?

My goodness, the Horrrors album is quite spiffing. You shold buy one now. Or download it off Itunes.

ILXor 1: Yes, but what about that 'bloated' feeling I get in the moning?

ILXor 2: Suggest Bran.

Huge surplus -- pay for eats and drinks at WORLD FAP.

YESS

I think getting to still laugh at chumps is incentive enough

I would log out and click around ilx a few minutes a day just to throw a few pennies into the pot. I'm cash-poor but time-rich.

eh keep in mind someone has to pay for those ads often unrich small business people - having some experience myself using google adwords im confident well get enough $$$ from people who actually want to visit the sponsor sites - or at least target yr clicking to lol hueg multinationals

does anyone who has experience w/ ads on websites know how much revenue we could potentially generate from ads for nonregistered/logged out users?

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 8:52 AM Bookmark

So we do need to bring back Heave Ho.

haa yes

Is the subscription model being seriously considered? I can only see that putting people off and heavily discouraging new posters.

tbh there are some people who need to be put off and discouraged from posting to ilx ;-) the other way is pay-per-post a la oyster card. this would wheedle out all the trolls, spammers, freaks and ingrates and encourage regulars to think a little more before they posted something. i've no idea of the logistics involved but can't imagine they're that insurmountable.

on digital spy if you're on an anonymous email address (i.e. hotmail, yahoo etc.) you have to pay a £5 verification fee before they'll let you log on their boards and that seems to work pretty well.

then again i guess the salon idea of watching a 30 second ad before viewing the boards might be workable.

or we could just use google ads for unlogged ins and roll around in the money

google ads seems like the least intrusive, the ads could be in a column that takes up a quarter of the width of the page

joining fees are only any use if you want to weed out potential posters who aren't taking things seriously or whatever. i don't think there's much need or desire to do that. they're no good at paying ongoing hosting fees, which is why sites that use them also carry ads.

ilxors in the 2009

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/0205_diddy_wi.jpg

we jus throw away ones + fives

tbh there are some people who need to be put off and discouraged from posting to ilx ;-)

i've actually been waiting for MC to drop this line of thought on the thread for a few hours now.
happy now.
also, amazed to hear that googleads may actually bring in enough $$ to pay bills.

having a subscription model is going to complicate our desire to kick people off.

having a subscription model is going to complicate our desire to have people post to ilx

Have opt-in subscriptions where subscribing quadruples your SB strength and lets you view saucy pictures.

I'm almost positive goodle adsense will bring in at least this amount of money, even from unregistered users only, because I remember there being some stats posted here about the amount of traffic ilx actually gets and it is flabbergasting. It's hard to tell what the click through rate would be but I think the average everywhere is about 1%.

yeah it's obvs the first thing to try and if it doesn't work for whatever reason we'll just figure out something else.

i am totally fine with:

1) pledge drive now to get us through the next year/this difficult time
2) google ads for non-registered users
3) see where what kind of money this brings in, and if it's falling short then subscriptions

THIS, lock thread. Also I'm using caek's stylesheet. The dude is full of sensible ideas!

so:

1 find new home
2 fund raise for move
3 code some google adsense in this bitch
4 profit

Oh wait, I don't agree with the second half of caek's part 3. Subscriptions are not a good idea. The dude is 99.5% full of sensible ideas!

i revised my plan later!

http://www.sportsmansdaily.com/images/ana-ivanovic11_001.jpg

btw this is our subscription model

Popular poster subscription fee: $5/year
Annoying poster subscription fee: $50/month

suggest ban = put a dollar in the jar

Oh wait, I don't agree with the second half of caek's part 3. Subscriptions are not a good idea. The dude is 99.5% full of sensible ideas!

― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 11:15 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no hes 83.3% full of sensible ideas

Popular poster subscription fee: $5/year
Annoying poster subscription fee: $50/month

― StanM, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:17 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

What, you gonna do a 'popular poster' poll?

No SB's, no threadkilling posts, polls with more than x votes = popular
Me = $50/month

:-)

Hmm, well 2 out of 3...

I wonder how much money could be raised by putting google ads ONLY on clusterfuck threads?

Seriously, throw a google ad at the top of this growing monster right now, we could all be ordering free pizzas by the end of this thing.

http://www.fairplaygames.com/pics/heaveho.jpg

http://http.cdnlayer.com/futurehosting/logo.jpg

eh keep in mind someone has to pay for those ads often unrich small business people - having some experience myself using google adwords im confident well get enough $$$ from people who actually want to visit the sponsor sites - or at least target yr clicking to lol hueg multinationals

Ah, I didn't realize it depended on clickthroughs, I thought just seeing the ad was enough.

still wanna argue for a tiered system where subscribers who pay more get increased SB'ing power

or increased SB armour.

this could turn into an arms race.

Premium rate gets every post auto-excelsiored.

more like an RPG

xpost

Automatic ad link every time darraghmac posts:

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i19308

In favour of Adwords

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m76/deshigh/pimp.jpg

Against Adwords

http://www.rufandreddy.co.uk/images/StreetGang/swampy.jpg

What, if any, are the real objections to using google ads which would be visible only to non-logged-ins? Serious answers only please.

No serious objection from me other than that it would be better if we could manage it without ads.

Unless the ways of managing without ads were worse, surely?

i have no objections, my objections are to ads for logged-inners

Are there any ideas on how much money google ads for unregistered users would raise? I'd offer an estimate but I don't know the amount of non-logged-in traffic, or the amount of revenue that google ads generates per view (or click through).

Subscriptions are a terrible idea. I'm not totally opposed to ads appearing for people who aren't logged in, but if we're not after a massive amount of cash then why not do an annual fundraising drive?

Possible objections to 'verts:

They generally look horrible.
We might not agree with the ethics of some of the businesses or products being promoted.

We're not going to see them, being members and all. But I agree with emil.y

i've got to agree with emily here, but then i'm not gonna be lumped with the task of begging for cash every year.

its funny google adwords are exactly the ilx aesthetic

http://i41.tinypic.com/i51y7k.jpg

In an hour after I restarted it at midday, there were about 10,000 hits. Can't tell the difference between logged in and not without making code changes, but I'd guess that 75% of these are logged in people, so 2,500. Guessing this translates into about 150,000 per day, which squares up with the roughly 3-4 million hits a month I've looked at in the past.

It looks like Google Ads only generate cash on click through.

We can demand that Google only delivers beautiful Doritos ads.

Option 3 is we make a charity record.

singin' through nylon w/the dickhole crew

A fundraising drive feels unnecessarily uncertain if Adwords can be proved to generate the money the site needs. It wouldn't particularly bother me whether I can see them or not, and I probably get exposed every day to lots and lots of ads from businesses whose ethics I disagree with. I don't think ads appearing on a site imply that you endorse the advertisers.

Forced pledge: "we've only got 70% of the required amount at the moment so we're only showing 70% of"

we keep repeating the same shit here but i think we should pause and actualy figure out how much google ads for nonregistered users would raise (cuz no one seems to be opposed to that) and work from there

xp using keith's numbers there, someone who knows their shit tell me what this mean$

Yeah, it's about 3 million a month. It's been 30,000 since midday (here - that's five hours ago).

Of course problem is it's tricky to tell, as it's not views, it's clickthroughs that get you the cash.

how bout a code that blocks people if they don't click on the google ads

singin' through nylon w/the dickhole crew

also, whatever this means, I feel it is the greatest ilx post of all time so it effectively ends the whole experiment

i have not done the math - which is pretty complex and not definitive since every ad pays a different price based on an auction + google logarithmic magic model - but if ads were displayed on every non logged in page w/the amount of traffic this site gets it seriously would be not a prob

just google for some articles talking abt how much people are making on their bloggz n whatnot and youll see

how about we spam the site with bots that click on the ads

(presumably that idea is obviously flawed somehow or everyone would be doing it)

In an hour after I restarted it at midday, there were about 10,000 hits. Can't tell the difference between logged in and not without making code changes, but I'd guess that 75% of these are logged in people, so 2,500. Guessing this translates into about 150,000 per day, which squares up with the roughly 3-4 million hits a month I've looked at in the past.

Hmm. Well, using these example numbers from this article (estimates of a 1% click through rate and 25 cents per click), the amount of money generated per day would be:

150,000 visitors per day x .25 not logged in = 37,500 unregistered hits per day

37,500 x 1% click through rate = 375 click throughs per day

375 click throughs x 25 cents = $93.75 per day

$93.75 per day x 365.25 days in a year (including leap year) = $34,242 per year

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ok that article's assumptions of 1% click through rate and 25 cents per click must be wrong. But even if we assume significantly lower assumptions - 0.2% click through rate and 10 cents per click - the total would still come out to...$2739 per year!

WE'RE GONNA BE RICH

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/6c/Bling.jpg

sooner or later therell be a lurker revolution where they demand their money back

the lurkers are not paying any money tho

http://lovelyduckie.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/money-toilet-paper.jpg

I rather think that 25¢ per click is not what google pays. It is probably of the order of 25¢ CPM, i.e. per thousand clicks.

the lurkers are not paying any money tho

yeah but sometimes somebody'll tell me "I've seen you on ilx" and I say "oh yeah who're you" and they say "I just lurk" - am happy to start beating these people up & taking their money at the board's say-so

if i ever see you im going to say that but then as soon as u start beating me up im going to whipe the blood from my nose look u in the eye and say "ice cr?m, bitch" then im going to beat u up and take all yr google adwords

the only thing is im not sure how to pronounce ice cr?m

I'd rather the pledge drive model. Permanent paypal link and then an annual drive to make up the difference when it comes to paying fees.

the what to do w/the extra $30k threads are going to be the most awesomest clusterfucks ever

I dunno Ed, take a look at this page:

http://blog.yieldbuild.com/2008/07/30/contextual-ad-rpcs-are-rising/

It shows that revenue per click (RPC) ranged from 8 to 14 cents from Nov. 2007 to June 2008.

i think IRE could support ilx single-handedly if it charged for guess papers

im pretty psyched to see what ads get served to ilx

if i ever see you im going to say that but then as soon as u start beating me up im going to whipe the blood from my nose look u in the eye and say "ice cr?m, bitch" then im going to beat u up and take all yr google adwords

if we could sell tickets to this fight it would raise so much revenue we wouldn't have to worry about ads

if i ever see you im going to say that but then as soon as u start beating me up im going to whipe the blood from my nose look u in the eye and say "ice cr?m, bitch" then im going to beat u up and take all yr google adwords

the last guy who tried to take my google adwords from me is presently doing 3-9 on a geocities page

to June 2008.

Yeah, but that was before the collapse of the end of the world economic capitalismic system thingy, I don't think this revenue rise has continued after that.

o plz dont throw me in the brier patch mr john

I think we should be looking at ads as a top-up rather than relying on them to pay to keep this thing afloat.

any time you wanna throw down meet me in fortune city

dot biz

Tits OTM!

i think the more money we can raise for global ilx fap @ mauritius, the better.

If we have Adsense someone needs to create a mesothelioma thread and make sure it gets bumped every so often.

O ITS ON JOHN JUST CLICK ON THE SECOND LINK IN THE LEFT FRAME THERE YEAH OK NOW ARE YOU ON A PAGE W/LIKE A STARS AT NIGHT BACKGROUND OK SCROLL DOWN TO THE IMAGE OF THE WORLD OK DO U SEE MY HIT COUNT PRETTY SWEET RIGHT

btw i think we should use ads and the extra money all the money should be given to me to do w/as i please

OH FUCK IT'S SPINNING JAVA SKULL OF DOOM AND IT EVEN HAS A JOINT IN ITS JAW, FUUUUUCK

GONNA HAVE TO PULL OUT MY MIDI PACHELBEL CANON FOR THIS...DO YOU HEAR ME NOW? DO YOU HEAR THAT BEAUTIFUL MUSIC ICE???????

so... many... webrings...

OK, let's assume that pay per click has taken a dive in the last year. Now it's 7 cents per click. Also, we'll assume that ILX unregistered users click on ads less than most other people do, because they're too busy looking for guess papers, and use a mere 0.1% click through rate (1 out of every 1000 hits results in someone clicking on an ad). Also, we'll assume that Keith's estimate of 25% of ILX hits as unregistered/not-logged-in is too optimistic, and that the true figure is instead 15%.

With 3.5 million hits a month, that still results in:

3,500,000 hits per month x 15% unregistered = 525,000 unregistered hits per month.

525,000 unregistered hits x 0.1% click through rate = 525 clicks per month

525 clicks per month x 7 cents per click = $36.75 per month, or $441 per year.

And that's with the negative nancy assumptions all around.

if you squint so that click looks like dick, that last post is way funnier.

$441 per year? aw man that's barely gonna pay for one flight to mauritius

well get 0.1% on stray clicks alone

If this jerk can make $100K+, surely we can make $500.

http://www.shoemoney.com/gallery/d/5222-6/adsensecheck.jpg

Horrible website but cheapest co-lo I have found:

http://calpop.com/colocation.html. Still looking for around $1200 a year.

To sum up:

I think that a reasonable estimate of the revenue from using AdSense on unregistered users only would be $1000-2000 per year. If negative nancy assumptions are used, drop that to $500 (which would still be almost half of the money needed and make fundraising less of a hassle), and if positive polly assumptions are used we could be on the internet together in tropical paradise.

so where do i sign up for the money?

We could always let the guy from Lefora do it; they offered to.

It would be easy enough to run an experiment.

There are some staggeringly bad reviews of that company I just posted a link too.

Realistically I think we are probably looking at $2000 a year for our needs and if that gives us a little contingency cushion then so much the better.

If positive polly has a contingency cushion does negative nancy have a problem pillow?

you hush your hinkus or i'll smother you with a rubber baby buggy bumper

on that same site:

http://blog.yieldbuild.com/2009/05/26/when-will-online-advertising-pick-up/

blog is called YieldBuild, which makes them biased.

The biggest downside to using Adsense/Adwords, I think, is the big argument that would be sure to come if it brings in much more revenue than we need for expenses. I think all the other downsides mentioned crumble pretty quickly. I think it's an argument worth having, if only to spend a week nominating charities to give it to and then another month polling the top 30 nominations.

why don't we just stash the surplus and build enough that we can take the ads down for a couple years eventually?

that is if WORLDFAP doesn't look feasible.

it should be split up as prize money for the various fantasy leagues

or for an ilxors make-a-wish foundation

I want WORLDFAP to happen and I want Adsense clicker-throughers to help pay for it.

or when somebody gets 51'd we could hire a guy to visit their house/place of work and smash their computer

would rather give ~ £7 of my own money every fund drive than feel even slightly responsible for making people look at ads ~ 10 million times a year

unless we can make just one guy in a room somewhere be responsible for every instance of ad-viewing

Yeah, I looked at an ad once and I was in therapy for 6 months.

It was a nightmare, I tell ya.

Still wake up crying some nights.

To be fair, that's not because of the ads...

That's as maybe, I just know that like billions of other people I now make a point of never ever visiting any website carrying small unobtrusive text ads.

FYI the answer to not wanting to look at ads is adblock plus.

We could raise the money in a week if you charged admission to a mod-free Deadwood-style secret VIP board where anything goes--meta threads, sendspace links to new albums, SB'd posters running free, JW thread art, etc.

aka all the fun we're not allowed to have

(((none of us will have to see ads here)))

The biggest downside to using Adsense/Adwords, I think, is the big argument that would be sure to come if it brings in much more revenue than we need for expenses. I think all the other downsides mentioned crumble pretty quickly. I think it's an argument worth having, if only to spend a week nominating charities to give it to and then another month polling the top 30 nominations.

― resistance is feudal (WmC), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:05 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is really a "we should have such problems" situation

FYI the answer to not wanting to look at ads is adblock plus.

shhh, don't give our future revenue stream ideas

there's so much money to make on the internets!

Welcome to ILX - thank you for not registering!

TS: Ladies Of ILX Calendar vs. Men Of ILX Calendar

still wanna argue for a tiered system where subscribers who pay more get increased SB'ing power

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:35 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Rich Spurs fans would have me dead and buried. Anyway, depending on what happens, I'd be willing to throw a few quid in the pot.

Our 2009 ILX invite request form has been finalized, at the moment we have 23 ILX invites up for grabs. ILX invites will be given out only to those who post a request form here with completed answers in full. If you are incapable of following these instructions, how can we expect you to maintain respectable upload ratios?

a) requested username
b) first name (no surnames)
c) age
d) gender
e) geographic location

1) Name three polls (+100 votes only) that others have successfully enjoyed from you in the past month

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

5) How many invites do you require?

Confirmed ILX invites (or rejections) will be posted here in 1-3 working days. Check back here at that time, requests to expedite the approval process will result in immediate rejection.

― ILX Administrator, Monday, January 29, 2007 4:32 PM (2 years ago)

someone should post that on craigslists around the world

UPDATE: Have spoken to the hosts. To stay where we are -- which is pretty good: they're a small firm, v. helpful, the service has been mostly great and there'd be no moving hassles -- is going to cost $1500 a year.

oh well

cough it up jeff

we've never had any problems raising money in the past, and we won't this time either i bet

How many regulars do we have here? Seriously, set up a PayPal account, have everyone chip in $10 and call it a day. Why does this have to be such an agonizing process?

what is agonizing about it

don't forget $100 per year for caek.css

live strong whiney

Is this June Xth (= day when we reach 1500) + 12 months or 2009's ($1500 / 12) * 7 remaining months?

(... is just one of the ways it can get agonizing on ILX) :-)

WAIT

what if we raise too much money

It'll cover us until the end of July 2010 xp

1500...that's like £80,000 now right?

what if we raise too much money

I will think you all very much as I board my plane to Tokyo.

I mean, I know its more fun to invent meritocracies and get all NO LOGO BAWWW about Google ads, but we could raise this money in a week if someone whould just start the paypal account already

Alright! Every June = ILX's legendary famous chip in month!

so if we raise too much money you'll snap and go to tokyo? xxp

(I would also buy some spelling lessons)

Can we break 2009's record, when we got to $1500 in just four hours?

I'll chip in $10 for the year. I've definitely gotten more than $10/year of enjoyment out of ILX.

is every june gonna be like those npr fundraisers where lex and ned and mtn gts will just discuss what sorts of perks we can get if we just contribute $10

I pledge $10

That's $20 right there, with Mordy

$1480 to go!

ILX is supported by Entertainment Weekly, the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, and Viewers Like You

so with that $20 and hi dere's $1480 "to go" pledge, that should do it!

http://www.cooking.com/images/bake_sale2.jpg

wow dan!

okay let's use their twenty dollars and raise the other 1480 with the infinitely more practical and easy google ad idea. thanks for your help guys

ILX scout cookies! Get bakin'!

would rather give ~ £7 of my own money every fund drive than feel even slightly responsible for making people look at ads ~ 10 million times a year

Nobody who
a) can afford an internet connection, and
b) has time to look at ILX, and
c) doesn't bother to register
deserves such consideration.

imho.

what can I say, I'm a baller

for just a 50 dollar pledge, you'll get this delicious set of hipster bacon cookies, delivered fresh to your door. . . Call NOW!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/sub81/FoodDecember/P1110477.png

You know, k3vin, some of us don't want ads on ILX.

is anyone seriously kept up at night worrying about other people seeing ads on the internet?

I worry about myself seeing ads!

yeah but you had to log in to post that comment mordy

google ads on ilx would be dire

Hello, ILX 2009 pledge fund, how can we help you?

http://kuci.org/~nraggett/vpsotp/no32.jpg

lol

^ HI DERE, Jjusten

xpost

mordy, the plan was to have ads only for users not logged in

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2428/3579842867_281437a2ba_o.jpg

Pledge or the puppy gets it.

The plan can be amended to be users not logged in and Mordy, though.

so unreg users get aids i mean ads

I think a subscription model would be kinda problematic, because how would posters like me who don't own a credit card pay the subscription?

― Tuomas, Tuesday, June 2, 2009 3:30 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think we go with subs, big time.

marital ads

I don't always login tho. I guess I'd have to amend my current ILX browsing habits.

Actually if you give the google ad revenues to me I have a sweet pyramid scheme plan to take over the internet and simultaneously raise several hundred thousand dollars, just sayin

That's more admin fan fiction. Why make them figure out how to make ads magically appear for some peopme. Everyone stfu and start pledging $10.

Omar, why are you opposed to google ads that would appear only to unreg/unloggedin lurkers?

whiney youre being really aggressive here

http://www.johnsondiversey.com/NR/rdonlyres/ECFE96AB-9AA3-49A6-B11B-8D9CCCB81C3F/0/PledgeShineUP.JPG

Let's not forget about the possibility of

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/6c/Bling.jpg

whiney youre being really aggressive here

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:04 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Because it's annoying that there's an incredibly easy solution here, and everyone's suggesting all these convoluted programmer nightmares

Paypal/collection account please?

you have to be logged out to see it

then click through the ads

and with one of these but with a modem and 12 months or something

http://tickers.baby-gaga.com/p/dev334pr___.png

I would start it myself, but I think people would be more secure in seeing it started by stet or pashmina or a mod.

hint

I am guessing a US based mod would be easiest as they can write a cheque out to the hosting people.

why are people opposed to ads?
THIS SITE WOULD LOOK UGLIER
WE WOULD BE DEPENDANT ON OUTSIDE SOURCES INSTEAD OF OURSELVES

what if all of the ads featured John's new puppy

It won't stay cute for long, look at those enormous paws... (now: pay or the puppy gets it / in 6 months: pay or this monster will get you)

I am guessing a US based mod would be easiest as they can write a cheque out to the hosting people.

people in the US can't write a "cheque"

I think we should decide this like real men and start a poll

THIS SITE WOULD LOOK UGLIER for people who don't log in
WE WOULD BE DEPENDANT ON OUTSIDE SOURCES INSTEAD OF OURSELVESsupplement our fundraising with ad revenues

WE WOULD BE DEPENDANT ON OUTSIDE SOURCES INSTEAD OF OURSELVES

tbh i trust outside sources more than ilx

can we put morbs in a dunk tank

i don't know why you all are so set on uglifying the world

THIS SITE WOULD LOOK UGLIER

I wouldn't care what it looks like to unreg/unlogged.

WE WOULD BE DEPENDANT ON TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUTSIDE SOURCES INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OURSELVES

fixed.

xpost

^^word

ILX tutorial:

Identify straw man:

http://www.emperorswithoutclothes.com/images/straw_man.jpg

DECIMATE THE STRAW MAN

but what about the fact that everyone will have to see the ads derrrr

I'll easy donate but I can't think of a good reason not to supplement that with adverts for the unregistered. Surprised that some folk seem so against it.

Am looking for a fundraising thing right now. Dropcash is dead, and fundable takes 10% (wtf). Got told about kickstarter.com, but it's US-only. Could just make a Paypal button, but harder to show the running total there.

That means it's easier for it to 'rest in your account' whilst you're in Vegas.

fundable takes 10% (wtf).

god dang, that's robbery!

how many times have we had this argument i forget

Amazing change in position though - last time people were almost 100% against ads!

It's the new economy -- used to be we saw the name Getty and were comforted by the idea that J. Paul's heirs would let us suckle at the internet teat forever.

I don't think the "no ads for logged in users" was immediately brought up the last time (xpost)

good luck ILX

It was mentioned, unreg ads that was. Can't really remember how much time it was given:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?showall=true&bookmarkedmessageid=41&boardid=40&threadid=51288

That seems like a brilliant option to me: seamless experience for the users and funding to keep us running. Is it, as Whiney suggests, impossibly nightmarish to code? Or practical?

just start a paypal collection. I'm sure there are enough users who would contribute money. I think asking upwards of 30 or 40 bucks isn't ridiculous. People who spend all day here and think it's ridiculous to be expected to pony up 10 dollars are being cheap.

Sorry, which option, Hoos? Although I don't see anything so far that would be a big deal to code. That said, thanks Whiney for considering it - it can get a bit annoying sometimes when people think it programs itself.

Hand-wringing about the ethical horrors of ads for non-registered users (or even registered users) is even funnier now than it was last time.

i don't care if we have ads but this:

just start a paypal collection. I'm sure there are enough users who would contribute money. I think asking upwards of 30 or 40 bucks isn't ridiculous. People who spend all day here and think it's ridiculous to be expected to pony up 10 dollars are being cheap.

is seriously otm

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CAPITALIST HEGEMONY???

Do y'all gouge out your eyes when you see a billboard on the highway?

But some of us live in communist countries like the UK

you have your perks, though, so ppppbbbbbththhhh

Actually I don't look at billboards, but I do gouge out my eyes whenever someone else looks at one. xxp

mordy ur a teenbro rite? so surely u like capitalist hegemony?

+ c'mon for UNREG users how is this even a thing?