Celebrity Big Brother 2007 - no painful show-offs here

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Right, lots of posts on the Sandbox already. (http://ilx.thehold.net/thread.php?msgid=63205#unread)

Your housemates thus far are:

Jermaine Jackson. No-one knows who he is. He seemed a bit miffed by this.
Danielle Lloyd. Girlfriend of Woah Teddy Teddy, Teddy Teddy Teddy Teddy Sheringham. Beauty queen. Model. Likes shopping.
Ken Russell. Bonkers.
Jo O'Meara. The one that no-one fancies out of S Club 7. She seems very pleasant and friendly.
Leo Sayer. Seems to be friends with everyone in the world. He's very chirpy.
Shilpa Shetty. Big in Bollywood.
Carole Malone. She slags off z-list reality celebrities in the Daily Mirror. Now she is one. She thinks she'll be subversive. She probably won't.
Donny Tourette. He's a punk like Preston was a mod (i.e. bought a couple of appropriate outfits and read a beginner's guide to cartoon punkery, I reckon). He's also pals with Leo Sayer, so not as cool as he thinks he is.
H from Steps. He's gay. And Welsh. Most likely to do a Les Dennis.
Cleo Rocos. She has breasts. And impossible hair.
Dirk Benedict. It's Templeton Peck, nostalgia fans. He's trying too hard to be liked. He talks A LOT.

Nothing much has happened thus far. Danielle has seen Ken Russell's genitalia. She wasn't impressed.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

I was touched by how wonky Jo's teeth were.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 4 January 2007 00:41 (eighteen years ago)

When I mean that no-one knows who Jermaine Jackson, I don't mean that the world has been taken over by Lexbots. I just mean that he had an air of "I AM A STAR" about him and all the housemates were all just "oh, hi, I'm Danielle, what's your name" and I think he was expecting everyone to walk in and go "OH MY GOD YOU'RE THE IMMENSELY FAMOUS JERMAINE JACKSON" before falling prostrate at his feet.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 00:50 (eighteen years ago)

Better than falling footlong at his prostate, I guess.

― emil.y (emil.y), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:00 (eighteen years ago)

jermaine jackson is one of the few people in there that i HAVE heard of!

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 4 January 2007 07:45 (eighteen years ago)

Donny Tourette's 'schtick' to be the first to leave the house.

in 2 days, he'll be everyone's pussycat.

Wasn't it him who used to wait outside Noel's house? Got his guitar signed anda few words of encouragement didn't he?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 January 2007 08:44 (eighteen years ago)

I used to insist that Jo was S-Club's mum. Cleo ftw, possibly.

― Physics of a Bisexual (noodle vague), Thursday, 4 January 2007 08:49 (eighteen years ago)

I was half expecting Rachel S Club to be on there.

I note that a bowler-hatted Tito Jackson is currently one of the "celebrity" judges on Just The Two Of Us.

No doubt they'll get Randy to host The Friday Night Project for the benefit of cheap gags from Justin Lee Travis.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 4 January 2007 08:52 (eighteen years ago)

Wasn't it him who used to wait outside Noel's house?

Maybe he's a big fan of Deal or No Deal.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 4 January 2007 09:16 (eighteen years ago)

Just now on the live feed:

KEN: some anecdote about Stanley Kubrick
LEO: "Yah, that would be Kubrick"

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 4 January 2007 09:17 (eighteen years ago)

i have now worked out who twatty rock guy reminds me of, other than rhys ifans -- there was a terrible english rock star in the dire julianne moore-pierce brosnan comedy 'laws of attraction'. him.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 4 January 2007 09:18 (eighteen years ago)

haha who the hell ARE all these people? apart from leo

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 4 January 2007 09:20 (eighteen years ago)

it is definitely less starry than the last two years.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 4 January 2007 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

I only seen it with the sound turned down last night. I guess Donny Twatbag is as big a twatbag as he looks? Also, love Leo Sayer's music, hate Leo Sayer.

― Boom Dershowitz (noodle vague), Thursday, 4 January 2007 09:24 (eighteen years ago)

they all seem so nice. except indie boy.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 4 January 2007 09:48 (eighteen years ago)

I was just looking at Ken Russell's imdb entry. The last film of his I was aware of was Whore in 1991, but he seems to have made about 20 things since then, most recently in his garage with a cast of friends and neighbours.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:25 (eighteen years ago)

'lady chatterley's lover' (for tv) was quite successful.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

I could never be a film director, as my garage is too full of junk.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

but basically yeah, a vanished, erm, talent, like a kind of less cool nic roeg.

xpost

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

Lady Chatterley's Lover for TVs???

― Boom Dershowitz (noodle vague), Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

Starring Diarmuid Gavin in the flower-weaving scene.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 4 January 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know that it's less starry than before. Most of them are washed-up has-beens, though. It has a Jackson, a film director who is genuinely legendary, Leo Sayer, a couple of poppets whose careers weren't so long ago that everyone's completely forgotten them, a dude from the A Team, and Cleo was very famous in this country. The footballer's girlfriend is as famous as Preston (more so to Sun readers), and Donny Tourette as famous as Maggot. Actually, he's probably more famous, as people who know the band know him, whereas GLC never really struck me as having distinguishable individuals. People like Pete Burns only seem more famous because they were in it and got a boost to their career/column inches.

I'm not really trying to say that this lot are proper celebrities, mind you. It's more the case that they've NEVER had proper celebrities.

― emil.y (emil.y), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

But would CBB necessarily be any better if they did have proper celebrities on there?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

WTF is a proper celebrity anyway? (question not specifically directed at Marcello)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

Everyone seems to know Cleo Rocco, but I didn't have a clue! I recognised her in the sense "oh yes, didn't Kenny Everett have a bird sometimes", but to be honest he was a bit before my time! Has she done anything ever since? I agree with whoever said upthread egads yes - those "characters" are awful - let's hope that like Bonnie's loudness that they stay outside the house!

Carol Malone is just awful!

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

wait, *checks imdb*, "Face" is in there? why didn't you say so, i've never heard him being called 'templeton peck' ever.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

I could've called him Starbuck and *really* confused you.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

Starbuck is a woman now. AND ALWAYS WILL BE.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

He didn't look like one when he had to drop out of Strictly Come Dancing oho.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

maybe it isn't much less starry -- i guess i'm missing the wtf-ness of having galloway or greer there.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Welllll...

the games/twists had better be blummin brilliant!

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

C4 should branch out and do a Scottish Celebrity Big Brother.

Suggested contestants: Frank McAvennie, Deek out of River City, Jackie Bird, Sydney Devine, Paul Haig, Dougie Donnelly, Glen Michael and Martin Kemp since all you ever see the latter in these days are SCS sale adverts.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 4 January 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

Don out of Don and George.

George out of Don and George..

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Justin out of Colin and Justin, Aly Bain, Sheena McDonald...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

I missed Tourette jumping into the hot tub in his leathers. Hope they're fucking ruined.

(to be fair he was pissed as a newt last night and might turn out to be not as twatty as first impressions suggest)

lolz at H Panto Steps trying to have a chat with a fucking JACKSON about making music.

Jo's album was "poorly marketed", poor thing...

― Onimo has bone for the pink overload! (GerryNemo), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

"C4 should branch out and do a Scottish Celebrity Big Brother"

Oh yes! Scottie McClue, please. And Les McKeown, Andrew Neil, Fran and Anna...

― Hazey Jane (SongsWereLines), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

Thomas Gravesen's pornstar girlfriend!

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't she Danish?

― onimo (onimo), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

She lives in Scotland though. You need one foreign one for teh glamour.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

Betting so far:

Jo O'Meara 4 - 1
Dirk Benedict 4 - 1
Leo Sayer 9 - 2
Ian 'H' Watkins 11 - 2
Cleo Rochus 8 - 1
Shilpa Shetty 12 - 1
Danielle Lloyd 16 - 1
Donny Tourette 18 - 1
Ken Russell 20 - 1
Carol Malone 40 - 1
Jermaine Jackson 40 - 1

Cleo seems good value...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Marcello, those Martin Kemp ads are nationwide, the store's got a different name in different regions. It's DFS round here, I think.

― Boom Dershowitz (noodle vague), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

But we have a whole separate loads of DfS ads up here too. And DfS stores as well, come to think of it.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

Oops, Martin Kemp pwned in furniture store beef shockah.

― Boom Dershowitz (noodle vague), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

Yep, quick google shows two separate companies.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

I sincerely hope to see you all in Courts.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

Jo's album was "poorly marketed", poor thing...
In my last job we set up an interview/ filmed acoustic session with her. "Great great!" say management. Then a request comes in: could someone else play the guitar? Oh, alright we say, do you have a prefered session musician etc. Second request: would it be okay if Jo performed with a backing tape? Erm, what do you think acoustic means we say.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

That DfS ad with the Stuart Maconie voiceover ("we've been thinking about you this season") - nuclear holocaust ten minutes ago.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yes.

("we've been thinking about you this season, licking our lips at the thought of your money,.....")

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, back to the Showaddywaddy discussion...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Beeb reporting that Ken Russell is "the oldest contestant to ever enter the Big Brother house."

Er, yes, since Jackie Stallone last year.

Does the jauntiness-of-head-in-promo-photo correlation work for CBB? Because Jo, Shilpa and Johnny are going to be toast in about five minutes if they are. Dirk's a bit tilty, H less so but still not facing straight on. The rest of them = HEAD ON DEATH STARE.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

But was she actually a contestant? I thought she left before the end (or am I misremembering?)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh, that's a good point. She came in late, but I can't remember if that was to compete, or just to piss off Brigitte (which didn't really work)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

Nope, she competed and was evicted. (also it was two years ago)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

ah right.

Not like Jimmy Savile then..

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

maybe from certain angles

― onimo (onimo), Thursday, 4 January 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

Right. That's the last of this I'm watching. I'm seriously depressed now. What a bunch of cunts (and not ONE of them have ever seen a Ken Russell film, I bet).

― emil.y (emil.y), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

Not even Ken Russell??

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

i've never heard of ken russell let alone seen his films!

they are all boring & awful though (the lovely shilpa apart) and i probably can't be bothered much more with this...

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

Lex, you've never heard of anyone. And I bet Ken Russell can't remember any Ken Russell films. Actually, none of the bits I saw had Shilpa in so I can't judge her, but seriously, the rest of them... I don't think anything can describe it better than 'boring and awful'.

― emil.y (emil.y), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

not ONE of them have ever seen a Ken Russell film, I bet

Oh, Leo has, he was talking to him non-stop on the live show on E4 earlier.

Lex, I don't think (1) anyone's surprised that you've never heard of Ken Russell and (2) anyone's going to use you as the benchmark of what people should and shouldn't know about.

xpost

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

i hope one of the tasks is to mock up a blue sky background and remake the "Endless Flight" album cover. Like a living art thing.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

I missed this last night, but have just seen the edited highlights of them entering the house. Based on this, my predictions for the eviction order are thus :

First to get booted out = Shilpa Shetty (I think she might turn out to be the drama queen who whines about everything)

followed by :

Jermaine Jackson (he might turn all shouty and try to bully people)

Ian 'H' Watkins (he will not be as mad as he used to pretend to be in Steps, and will get voted off for being boring)

Carol Malone (will be the bitchy one)

Ken Russell (will be the John McCririck one)

Dirk Benedict (will be the nice but dull one)

Danielle Lloyd (people will get fed up with her empty-headedness, unless she gets her tits out in which case she might get to stay)

Leo Sayer (he'll be well liked, although he will release a new single immediately after he gets out so people might want to keep him in a bit longer)

Cleo Rochus (she'll be the mother figure, but will also prove to be quite surprisingly intelligent and entertaining. May also get her tits out a few times)

This will leave Jo O'Meara and Donny Tourette for the final. Jo will stay this long because she'll turn out to be genuinely nice, the peace-keeper and agony-aunt of the house, and she can probably cook and doesn't mind cleaning up after everyone else. Donny will stay because the Great British Public will warm to him once he packs in his blustering pretending-to-be-an-out-of-control-arse act. Donny will win.

Jo O'Meara 4 - 1

Cleo Rochus 8 - 1

Donny Tourette 18 - 1

― C J (C J), Thursday, 4 January 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

Thank god Donny is in there, otherwise the show would be so boring. I hope he gets drunk every night and tries to make out with inanimate objects.

― el juan (el juan), Friday, 5 January 2007 05:57 (eighteen years ago)

Donny is quite funny, what with asking Cleo "what's it like up your end?", saying "Not Dodd? We don't like Dodd!" when introduced to Ken, and admitting (when asked if he were a singer) that he wasn't really a singer, more of a shouter.

― C J (C J), Friday, 5 January 2007 08:49 (eighteen years ago)

i was finding donny to be literally unwatchable but he did two things that made me laugh, 1) claiming that ken winked at him to danielle after ken showed her his old chap; 2) telling ken to stop snoring.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 5 January 2007 09:01 (eighteen years ago)

the only reasonable thing "donny" did was to tell ken he was snoring but even in its reason it was so obviously futile that it made him seem even more pointless

can agree w/ CJ's running order on almost any level (or I disagree w/ it on many levels)

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 January 2007 09:18 (eighteen years ago)

Thank god Donny is in there
Donny is quite funny

why do people fall for this? why? this is exactly how twats like donnie get away with behaving like twats.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Friday, 5 January 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I'd hate to actually be around someone like Donny. But this isn't reality, it's Big Brother. Everyone should behave like twats on Big Brother. Everything else is boring.

Donny is ok, but they need to bring back Pete Burns!

― el juan (el juan), Friday, 5 January 2007 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

can't agree

crossposts

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 January 2007 09:45 (eighteen years ago)

donnie is also boring, just a different sort of boring.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Friday, 5 January 2007 09:52 (eighteen years ago)

I watched Cleo and Ken and Donny having what seemed like a perfectly pleasant conversation on the live feed last night. Okay, it wasn't the most exciting telly, but I think that was because it was early in the show and everyone was trying to feel everyone out. I think I might like this series more, and the producers might like it less, than the last two CBBs, precisely because the people on it seem more normal and slightly less vacant.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 5 January 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

Ken is my favourite thus far.

Donny is a gigantic twat.

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Friday, 5 January 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

gigantic twat being a gigantic twat = better tv than fat old man and man with neverchanging haircut talking the same old bollocks over and over.

sure, he's a total cock, totally cliche w/o irony, and irl, probably intollerable, but tv is entertainment. allegedly.

someone making complete pillock of themselves every waking hour = best reason to watch BB, imo.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 5 January 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

better tv than fat old man and man with neverchanging haircut talking the same old bollocks over and over.

Channel 4's Big Fat Quiz Of The Year?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 January 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

Why are people being so "ugh" about Ken?

1) It's Ken Russell for gods sake
2) he's not done anything bad in the house, has he?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 January 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

he's old and fat--of course the other (esp younger) housemates were going to be "disgusted" or make fun or try to patronise and probably the (esp younger) viewers, too. snoring is fucking annoying, though

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 January 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

Yes we can't have old and fat in our thrusting Thatcherkid world.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

we can but it will "disgust" people and they will want to make fun or try to patronise it

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

But the people it "disgusts" are invariably thrusting Thatcherkids, which of course is the only audience C4 seems to want, buy and do up your Provence rural retreat while retaining your Putney townhouse on a budget of £99.95m, then get pissed and watch Jimmy Justin Carr Lee Travis for a larf innit.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

"Ah, Margaret Thatcher. It's easy to forget she was ever Prime Minister"

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

Directing Lair of the White Worm = a greater cultural achievement than any of the other fuckers in the house have so far managed

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

Doing CBB at nearly eighty suggests that he's very likely to be near broke.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

That doesn't give him the right to be universally revered as a personality though. Big Brother is about being watchable and/or likeable, not about what you achieved prior to setting yourself up as living wallpaper for the Great British Public.

(xpost to Ward Fowler)

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

Was it Ken Russell who directed the banned Cliff Richard video?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

the millennium prayer one?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

Dirk Benedict is the first BB character for several years who has made me think, "This person seems very pleasant."

I was mystified by his weirdly feminine body until I found out that he is 61. I thought he was about 50.

It also surprised me to discover, while researching his weirdly feminine body, that he claims to have cured his own cancer by "diet, exercise and fasting". This was when he was 36, in 1981, two years before the A-Team. Lives can be very long.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

I like dirk benedict

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 January 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

That doesn't give him the right to be universally revered as a personality though. ..(etc)
-- ailsa (ailsa.watso...) (webmail), Today 12:15 PM. (later) (link)

No but I was more about how people in the house were being 'ugh' and how people watching are also copying the 'ugh'-ing.

Wait until he actually pervs over the young girls first!

Russell Brand is usually good value, but last night was pretty much limited to repeating Donny's act and lines, immediately followed by repeats of Donny himself doing the same lines.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 January 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

Cleo Rocos is now 4/1 favourite.

(told yer!)

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 January 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

Donnie seemed ok last night. He had a chat with Ken and Cleo about movies and was perfectly nice and attentive and possibly didn't even swear. This of course means that Endemol will attempt to keep him pissed.

― onimo (onimo), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

Surprised no-one's mentioned Jermaine meeting Danielle yet:

Danielle: Hi, I'm Danielle.
Jermaine: Nice to meet you. Are you a singer or an actor?
D: I'm a model.
J: Can you cook?

― onimo (onimo), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

lolz @ donny and brand "doing the same lines"

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

haha

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

oh oh

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

We're in trouble?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

brand said he actually knew donny. he phoned donny's brother. like donny and like preston last year he attempted a mockney accent.

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

xxxxxxxxxpost

"neverchanging haircut"

what's wrong with that?
(asks man with same haircut since 1993)

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

Danielle: Hi, I'm Danielle.
Jermaine: Nice to meet you. Are you a singer or an actor?
D: I'm a model.
J: Can you cook?

i liked what jermaine said afterwards -"oh! you look like a singer", ie "you DON'T look like a model"

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

he was kind of right innit. not necesarily a diss!

― benrique (Enrique), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

Leo "killed" on internet site
Leo Sayer was unceremoniously "killed" on the internet as he entered the Big Brother house.
The singer's article on encyclopedia Wikipedia was altered moments after he was introduced to the new house, with the author perhaps taking the story one step too far.
"Leo was the fifth person to join the Celebrity Big Brother house... Upon entering the house, he was electrocuted and died," read the entry.

However, a Wikipedia spokesman has dismissed the alteration as a normal occurrence, commenting: "Leo's entry was changed several times the night he entered the house. This is fairly standard when someone comes into the public eye - people make changes, accurate or otherwise."

Oh, and guess who's been caught on camera singing "Frigging in the rigging"..?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 January 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

Barry Ferguson?

(Quipped Mr le Guen at a specially arranged press conference: "It wisnae me")

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 January 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

Leo and Ken.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 January 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

For a minute I visualised Leo McKern and Kenneth Griffith singing "Frigging In The Rigging" during the chaos of the final episode of The Prisoner.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 5 January 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

Day 3, 15:07: Jermaine has assured Donny that he isn't being uncharacteristically silent in the Big Brother house. "I don't talk that much anyway," he insisted. "This is normal for me - not to talk so much." "I don't feel the need to fill silence, either," agreed Donny, after a moment's lull.

Ahahaaa Donny felt the need to fill the silence, there!

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 January 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

Donny is very quiet. Someone on BBBM last night was saying, "He's great! He just says what he thinks!" and I wanted Russell to ask "So what does he think then?" but he didn't.

I did hear him say that The Big Lebowski was his favourite film though.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 5 January 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yeah, it's "Jane Goody the secret housemate" tonight, isn't it?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

H from Steps must go.

― DavidM* (unreal), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

Really? He seems harmless enough. I could see Jermaine (who has a son called Jermajesty! How fantastic!) going off on one because the others keep doing the Bo Selecta Michael Jackson impression at him and asking him to moonwalk.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Jermajesty had us roffling in the aisles (if our living room had aisles, which it doesn't).

Bless Jo and her complete embarrassment at "Reach" being played. Best bit was when they kept cutting to Donnie trying to retain his aura of cool and consciously not nodding/singing/dancing along. He secretly loves S Club 7!!

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

Also, they are going to have to throw Jade in because everyone gets on too well. I hope it backfires horrendously at them. When are Channel 4 going to realise that Jade (and Nikki, their other golden child) didn't win and that's because they weren't that popular. People don't LIKE these people!

The mister thought Dirk was wanking in the bedroom when he had the duvet pulled up to his neck when they were waiting on their champagne being delivered.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

Unsurprisingly, the ones most in need of pampering (Ken, Jermaine, Shilpa) are staying - the rest go off to the shitty house. Jade, boyfriend and mum will be moving in with the prima donnas. I think we all saw the split going that way.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

(which is why they mentioned filth and squalor in the thing H read out - so that the proper stars would go "ugh" and get to stay to suffer death by Jade)

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

The mister thought Dirk was wanking in the bedroom when he had the duvet pulled up to his neck when they were waiting on their champagne being delivered.

Nah, he's Californian. They're always cold. I liked his "hey, I'm the oldest person here, now I get the respect that Ken has been enjoying".

I feel sorry for Shilpa. I know it's clever Channel 4 editing DO YOU SEE she wants to prove she can do things for herself and not be pampered baby, and then all her new mates tell her she must stay in the posh house because she wouldn't be able to rough it DO YOU SEE.

I'm honestly not sure I can watch it if Jade is going to be in it. Is she staying long? I hate her so.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

Also, they've all been reading the papers, so all know that Jade is going in next door. I doubt any of the three about to have Ms Goody launched on them even know who she is. Or care, probably. This won't work.

(xpost, hope not. Also, yeah, there was a wee moment when I thought she'd convince them to let her through, and it would be Leo staying in the main house, who would just kill Jade with niceness)

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

I have to ask a BB ad-related question. Does anyone else think the wording of the Times ad is strange? "How clever do you think you are? Find out in the Sunday Times." How is the newspaper going to tell me how clever I think I am?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

Aw, bless Jo getting all embarrassed when "Reach" came on. She's a nice girl. H has a supremely annoying laugh. I hope they've got some kind of heart monitor device rigged up to Ken so they can tell if he's just expired on the couch.

― chap (chap), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

JadeFest begins. The horror.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

Oh. My. God. Worst. Outfit. Ever.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

This is going to go all so badly horribly carcrashily wrong.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

How can two outfits be worst? And with Davina's weird "I will say zis only once" rig-out thrown in?

I do like the fact that for a room full of "celebrities", none of them recognized each other. It's going to be awful.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

I meant Jade's skin-tight wobbly-bit-enhancing body suit. Jack looked all right to me.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:50 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I was thinking about Jackie's cut off shorts and pointy shoes. I hate those things. But yes, Jade does look like she's dressed for a Milk Tray ad.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry, I posted that before Jackie's clown shoes appeared. Doesn't she spell Jackie in some really odd way? Jackiey, or something?

(heh, jade's being quite funny "do I have to have someone to brush my teeth?")

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)

jade ♥

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Friday, 5 January 2007 23:05 (eighteen years ago)

The three in the big house look like they've been paralyzed.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 5 January 2007 23:05 (eighteen years ago)

Vote for who to save rather who to evict = Jade not evicted straight off, amirite?

Watching live stuff on E4 just now. I don't CARE about Jade, I want to see the peasanthouse having fun.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

New-found respect for Shilpa. She just pulled some whole diva "Hindu Feng Shui" bullshit to get a different bed, then confessed it was just a ruse to not have to sleep near to Ken's bed because of his snoring.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:17 (eighteen years ago)

Digispy polls seem to suggest Cleo is the most beloved housemate by a long way.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:18 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, my husband's workmates seem to love her too. I don't have a favourite yet. Jade is currently explaining the bizarre relationship BB contestants have with the British press to Shilpa and Jermaine.

And we're back in the other house. How many outfits does Cleo have?

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:25 (eighteen years ago)

Save Shilpa, Ken and Jermaine!

― DavidM* (unreal), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:28 (eighteen years ago)

House next door all getting the point of this. "the double bed's for Jade and her boyfriend, so they will..." "urgh, that's not the sort of TV I'd want to watch".

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:37 (eighteen years ago)

This is the first year everyone's been really really obviously aware of what's going on.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:39 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, Dirk's sitting just now discussing how he'd been reading about Shilpa in the papers before he went in. They are now discussing previous contestants and how they've fared. It's all so bloody meta.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:44 (eighteen years ago)

OK, hang on, Donny's been kicked out/walked?!

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:56 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, now I get why they were talking about Germaine Greer walking out. Shitty time to cut the live show on E4 to go to BBBM, jeez.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 00:59 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, yeah, it's on Channel 4 now. Duh.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 01:04 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

it seems so http://bigbrother.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds10796.html

― jellybean (jellybean), Saturday, 6 January 2007 01:05 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Cleo read out a note from Big Brother on the live show on E4 saying he'd gone over the wall, had broken the rules, and wasn't getting to come back. Then it cut to the ads and then BBBM so I missed what they all said after that.

Replacement celeb then? Lauren Harries? (showed up on Friday Night Project tonight)

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 01:07 (eighteen years ago)

They'll probably stick fucking Nikki in.

― chap (chap), Saturday, 6 January 2007 01:13 (eighteen years ago)

Digispy polls seem to suggest Cleo is the most beloved housemate by a long way.

She does seem to be an excellent combination of mumsy and mental.

Donny didn't look one bit happy about the change in circumstances, so maybe he just decided to get before he had to deal with Jade. Shame, he seemed clueless but way more pleasant than I would have supposed.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 6 January 2007 08:12 (eighteen years ago)

Couldn't disagree more about Jade's appearance last night - I thought she looked terrific. Her haircut really suits her, her make-up made her look prettier than I've ever seen her and I thought the black top and trousers looked classy. Even the scarf looked good (usually that kind of scarf just make you look like a French teenager, or Arafat). As I watched the programme, my thoughts alternated between "wow, she looks good!' and 'I can't believe I'm thinking this!'

― Mädchen (Madchen), Saturday, 6 January 2007 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

She can look as good as she likes, doesn't make her less of a cunt.

I really hope she goes first, this is a BAD move, imo. For some reason Endemol seem to believe that everyone that watches BB adores Jade. Despite the fact that she came, what was it, 3rd or 4th in that series? ie. DID NOT WIN ie less popular than Jonny, ffs.

Losing Donny Clichecockpants and gaining Jade makes kittens cry diamond tears.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Saturday, 6 January 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I don't know about you, but if my kittens cried diamond tears at the sight of Jade, I'd have her move in with me.

I guess I can't even get that worked up about her personally, she seems alright, if deeply stupid (witness "how do we get in?" while there is a sign saying PUSH right in front of them that even her mother managed to work out), but it is the idea that she's in some way loveable I object to.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 6 January 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

She seems less stupid that her boyfriend, when she was sitting out the back garden explaining stuff to him like how a mangle worked, and why she didn't want to be waited on and she'd rather be in the house next door, the playing-to-the-cameras Jade was gone. "Jade" the media monster, I can't stand. I'm sure Jade the person is perfectly pleasant. But, yeah, Channel 4 and the tabloid press' delusions that we all love her and she's a national treasure (see also Nikki Grahame), where do they get this from?

(I thought her hair and makeup looked great, and she's obviously lost some weight, but the whole thing screamed "look at me, I've lost weight and had a boob job", and very clingy all over things just don't do good things for anyone)

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 6 January 2007 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

you are a fanny

crossposts

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 6 January 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

There's obviously something that Jade has that, ooh, every other BB contestant ever* lacks in that she's still famous and people are still interested in her FOUR AND A HALF YEARS after she was originally in the show. And I'm not attributing that just to having a good agent, considering the public is yawning at Pete and Nicki already.

*Okay, except maybe Kate Lawler, but she's possibly now famous for being TV Presenter Kate Lawler rather than Big Brother Winner Kate Lawler, and she's not held in the same affection anyhow.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

Incidentally, wasn't Ugly Betty rubbish? I find that arch American 'ooh, aren't people shallow?' school of comedy so irritating and unfunny that I switched over after half an hour to watch Martin and Sonia Fowler bellowing at each other instead.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

oh come on, jade showed exactly why people are fond of her in the diary room when her immediate gut reaction to being told that she'd live in the "lap of luxury" with people waiting on her hand and foot was a horrified "NO! NO! NO! NO! i can't have servants!" followed by wtf ditziness about brushing her teeth. i thought she looked brilliant, and her boyfriend is fit.

i liked ugly betty too but not as much as desperate housewives or lost, it was v flawed, but i would like to see what happens. that american school of comedy >>>>>>>> any other form of comedy ever.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Saturday, 6 January 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

terrible

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 6 January 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

you are a meanie

no crossposts

― teh_kit (g-kit), Saturday, 6 January 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

I thought Jade's question re: Cleaning Teeth was fair enough, given Big Brother's past record on this sort of thing...

― mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 6 January 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm sure there was a task last year or the year before where people partnered up and one person had to do everything, including brushing teeth (apart from 10 minutes a day when they were supposed to do that stuff).

I'm not loving Ugly Betty either, it had all the ugly duckling romcom cliches in it (best looking person is cast as the "ugly" one and bound to have her inner beauty unmasked at some point, rich person implies to poor person that their lives are equally crap because no one poor ever has their brother die like he did, and wholesome family stuff wins the day over shallow fashion stuff)

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Saturday, 6 January 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

I love Ugly Betty. It's like the anti-Eastenders, which I also love at the moment for the same campy reasons. I love that all the nice family stuff is blown out of the water in one, but wins the day in the other.

Why are they getting people to text to save, rather than evict?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

So Jade isn't chucked out at the earliest possible opportunity.

Instead it'll be Jade's mother.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

But everyone's just said how beloved she is. Isn't that why she's in there?

She really isn't as annoying as I remember. Her mam gives me the fear, though.

Is H from Steps trying to hide a bald patch, or is it just the way his streaks are arranged?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

Jesus, Jade's mother is fucking bitch.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:18 (eighteen years ago)

Donny's shagged Leo's missus!

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 09:37 (eighteen years ago)

ah, but ... She claims Donny's move didn't make Leo jealous because the couple were no longer lovers, but "soulmates" who lived under the same roof and were devoted to each other, as they still are.

so that's all right, then. hurrah.

i caught a bit of the live feed this morning - honestly, i can't actually watch this properly 'cos it's too bloody painful. however: cleo seems lovely (and, wow, is vv attractive, isn't she? far more so than i remember as a kid); so does the face; jade's mum is every bit as awful as i imagined she'd be; jade likes films "from my fair lady to footloose; both ends of the spectrum"; ken was moaning about "medication" in a worrying way; danielle seems shrouded in sadness, and appears to be a tragedy waiting to happen. she has sad eyes :(

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 7 January 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

I wish they'd at least waited a bit before moving the fucking Addams Family in.

― DavidM* (unreal), Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

Leo's being a bit of a knob. I'm warming to Danielle. Jade is wonderful compared to her appalling mother. Shilpa for teh win!

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

Jade is wonderful compared to her appalling mother

that's like saying gonorrhea is wonderful compared to syphilis.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

Why on earth don't you like Jade?

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

I don't dislike Jade so much as fail to see the point of her continued "celebrity".

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, no I'd prob agree with that.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

i remember how appalling she was during her original BB stint: petty, vindictive, small-minded ... all the traits i hate in myself but at least try to suppress :)

maybe she's changed, but i've not really noticed. i see her as a large but ultimately (probably) harmless barnacle on the rotting hulk of popular culture :)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:12 (eighteen years ago)

"Yeah, no"?

Alba, yesterday:

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/vicky-pollard-l-poster.jpg

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

Having seen the ignorance displayed by her mother, I'm not in the slightest bit surprised she was a horrid creature in her first stint in the house. I think she's grown up, has a fantastic agent, and has turned herself (or has been turned into) a likeably ditsy character (if you like that sort of thing). It's a triumph of PR, to be sure. I just sort of don't see why. She is oddly fascinating, though, and I'm getting more enjoyment out of watching her this time round (not difficult, considering I wasn't exactly fond of her last time round).

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

i remember how appalling she was during her original BB stint: petty, vindictive, small-minded ... all the traits i hate in myself but at least try to suppress :)

I don't remember her being like this at all! Vindictive to whom?

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

Adele re her "minging"ness, IIRC. Probably others. It was a long time ago, possibly GF carries his grudges further to the front of his mind.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

I don't remember her being like this at all! Vindictive to whom?

dude, i can't even remember who was in the house with her! but i do have a fading yet still clear memory of her calling all the other women (kate? was kate in there too?) "mingers" and just being ... well, playground-level nasty.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

I mainly remember her asking other people "Am I minging?" because she had a verucca.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

She wasn't really in a posistion to be a bully, because she had no gang. Everyone just sort of treated her as a joke and then PJ treated her like shit after they had PJBJ thing. I'm sure she called a few people mingers along the way, but I think basically she had a good heart.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

I might read old BB threads to find out if I get very bored.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

Like almost everyone else, I thought she was awful when she first went in, but she won me over.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 January 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

My mam said much the same as Ailsa, that Jade obviously had an ignorant upbringing and is not very bright, but has obviously spent her adult years hanging around with people other than her mother and seems to have developed some awareness of the wider world. She is hugely improved, and seems embarrassed by Jackiey's determination to be a cow.

Poor Leo cannot stop talking. It seems to be a nervous habit.

I like Dirk and Cleo so much, I think they should have their own show.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 7 January 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

ken leaving apparently according bblb

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Sunday, 7 January 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

How come? Unwellness?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 7 January 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Fed up with Jackiey. Good one, Channel 4 / Endemol.

Jade's grandparents popping in for their Sunday dinner later. Chance to see where Jackiey gets in from.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

Ken's gone, according to Dermot.

This isn't working, is it? Separating the house and putting up artificial divisions is pathetic. I can see why they do it in the summer show which last forever and where people have a greater desire to be famous and as such as are willing to sacrifice dignity. But the great thing about CBB is to see how various people's public perception stands up in reality. Forcing artificial positions upon them is just pointless. I've no real problem with them flinging Jade, Jack and Jackiey in there, but they should be in there on equal terms.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

This isn't working, is it?

Sadly OTM, this series seems to be a bit of a fuck-up from square one. I really hope they realise this very soon and make a huge effort to turn it around.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Sunday, 7 January 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, when will they realise any drama or interest in the house is generated purely by the people within it, and not by the increasingly convoluted and ridiculous tasks and enforced divisions. Just let them interact!

― chap (chap), Sunday, 7 January 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

Agree 100%

― teh_kit (g-kit), Sunday, 7 January 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

Alba is the only one with a good memory of the jade saga. Jade was bullied by just about everyone in the house and vilified by the press until the last week she was in there. she was never a bully towards anyone else. thick/ stupid/ annoying, maybe but not a bad person at all.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 7 January 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

and yeah the "minging" thing was about herself. strange the way everyone misremembers her being nasty!

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 7 January 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

ILX was remarkably poor at covering BB3, a trawl through the archives reveals (I am up to people hating on Ginger Tim at the moment, shall try to uncover The Truth)

(I misremember lots of things, this is not that strange)

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

I seem to remember Jade being very spiteful/bullyish towards late-joiner Sophie.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Sunday, 7 January 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

Jade did/does have a nasty side but I'm more sick of the presumption that we're all supposed to find her ignorance of everything endlessly endearing.
Leo, and maybe others, seem to resent becoming bit-part players in The Jade Goody Show, which is what Ch4 clearly want this to be.

― DavidM* (unreal), Sunday, 7 January 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

xpost YES! Exactly. I'm amazed everyone forgot this...

Jade crying for forgiveness just before Sophie left.

This year would have been fine, but it's a bad mistake having Jade back. It's not even because of her herself, just the 'everyone become servants to Jade' is one bad bad bad misfire.

― mark grout (mark grout), Sunday, 7 January 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, as I said already, I don't mind having them in - they're all about as famous in tabloid-land as Danielle, so have a sort of right to be there, and we (the GBP) can easily vote them back out, or we *COULD* if Channel 4 weren't fucking about with the format. Put them all together into a single house to see if they disrupt the dynamic, fine, but adding in extra elements of fucking-with is just taking the piss (as has been shown by the loss of Donny and Ken).

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

I was amused by Chantelle on BBLB saying "The man from the A-Team won't stop sweeping the floor".

What ever happened to good old-fashioned tasks, eh? I for one would tune in to watch Jermaine Jackson try to negotiate a backyard obstacle course while being cheered on by Leo Sayer.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 7 January 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)

Even Jade is getting fed up of her mum and is realising she's an ignorant and horrible woman. I'm kind of warming to Jade as a result. Shilpa deserves some sort of medal.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

Also, accentmonkey OTM about tasks. Goldie on a JCB was brilliant, and we need more of that kind of silliness.

Also, I was wondering about nominations. When they get past this first nomination (I would gladly vote for Jade, Jack, Jermaine and Shilpa multiple times if I thought it would guarantee that Jackiey would go) how is it going to work? They aren't spending enough time to be able to nominate outside their side of the house, meaning that the poshos are pretty much safe. WTF is the point of flying Shilpa and Jermaine halfway round the world just to stop them from interacting normally with everyone else? They both seem like they would be happy to get stuck in with the other original housemates. (I think Jade and Jack probably would too)

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 7 January 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

WTF is the point of flying Shilpa and Jermaine halfway round the world just to stop them from interacting normally with everyone else?

To stop them from interacting normally with everyone else, durr. Why else would they be in Big Brother?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 January 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, people seem to be missing the point that cooping a celebrity up in a house with their mum = HUGE FITE POTENTIAL and should therefore be encouraged above all else.

Jade's boring boyfriend on the other hand.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 7 January 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, people seem to be missing the point that cooping a celebrity up in a house with their mum = HUGE FITE POTENTIAL and should therefore be encouraged above all else.

Which is fine and all, but couldn't that be on a separate show called Jade and Her Mum FITE and leave the rest of us to get on with watching BB?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 7 January 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

Matt, yes, but there is no group dynamic when you split the house within 48 hours of them getting there. Someone in Endemol Towers has gone "ha, won't it be hilarious if the posh ones get stuck with some really common folk, ho ho" and they've all slapped each other on the back and guffawed heartily at their own genius. When, as accentmonkey said, seeing Jermaine giving H from Steps piggy backs round the back garden would surely be a much more fun way of getting value from your A-list superstar?

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 8 January 2007 00:44 (eighteen years ago)

It was all about getting "celebrities" to become servants to the "star".

Also, the voting of who you want to "save" is the inverse of the norml voting practice as celebs get very uncomfortale with the idea of actively being disliked, as opposed to being "loved, but just a little less than the next celeb".

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 January 2007 00:52 (eighteen years ago)

just like last bb: tricksy overcomplicated bullshit.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 8 January 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

Jade drives out two celebs ... and 4m viewers

Meanwhile ratings dropped from 7.1million to 3.2 million last night. The Channel 4 show was beaten over the weekend by BBC1's Just The Two Of Us and ITV's Soapstar Superstar.

― onimo (onimo), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

How did everyone BUT Endemol see that coming a mile off?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

Four million fannies can't be wrong.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

What's the point of half an hour of birdsong, plane noises and cameras pointed at blank walls (or Shilpa's hair)? If the housemates are swearing or being controversial, I'd really prefer to hear what they have to say rather than put up with all this nothingness. Lame, lame, lame.

― C J (C J), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't actually sat down to an episode since the opening night. Is it worth it in any way?

― chap (chap), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

I really don't think so. I wish it were, but it's just not.

― C J (C J), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

C J, some legal type has decided that your entertainment is not as important as Endemol's right not to have the arse sued off them.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

If you want to watch the Jade Goody show, sure, check it out.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

omg @ ken laying down the pwnj on jade's mom in the diary room.

right thread this time.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

Ok, I've just watched the first segment and I think I'm going to put on a Curb Your Enthusiasm DVD instead now.

― chap (chap), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

i just got home in time to see ken leaving. he seemed a nice bloke. but i could be wrong.

cleo is really quite worryingly attractive in a cook's hat.

i could not give an iota of a fuck about jade or her family.

leo's "leo's angels" nights sound very unusual indeed.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

i swear Jade just said "Shipla"...

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

i stopped paying any attention at all. this is appalling, isn't it?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

and you swore you weren't going to watch it! and the dream came true quite unexpectedly!

This is interesting: .....

http://vote.sparklit.com/poll.spark/1024323

Who would you like to save on Wednesday?

Jack 5%
Jackiey 6%
Jade 17%
Jermaine 16%
Ken 5%
Shilpa 51%

.. the level of love for Shilpa!

Ken's total was stopped when he left, naturally, but he's still more saveable than Jack. Cue lots of Jade crying and a big bustup with mum. Unless Jack does something to well anything really!

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

From the few bits I've caught, Shilpa seems like a remarkably good sport considering her stature.

― chap (chap), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

She's doing alright.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 January 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

Two genuinely great things so far this series:

"The man from the A-Team won't stop sweeping the floor".

and just now when Dermot revealed the results of some personality test. There was a picture with three hills in a sunny field and you had to draw the road in on top. Ken drew two roads, going from two hilltops DIRECTLY INTO THE SUN.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 8 January 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

Jade did say Shipla, and then apologised straight afterwards. She's prone to mistakes, but at least she's making an effort and seems to just be being a bit dim, and not being downright offensive like Jackiey. She went up in my estimation a lot for siding with Shilpa.

Shilpa has been great in the face of some appalling behaviour from Jackiey. Jermaine is also bearing up remarkably well. Leo is an insufferable twat. I like Dirk and Cleo. Danielle is more likeable than first impressions would have led me to think. H, Carole and Jo, meh, who cares.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

I think that Carole is a bit pissed off that the Mother Hen role has gone to Cleo. I think she was hoping to dispense wisdom to the housemates.

Yeah, Leo is really starting to annoy me. And the others too, it seems.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 08:16 (eighteen years ago)

Danielle was wearing a West Ham shirt last night on the live feed.

The sponsors names on it were all covered with white stickers.

Teddy Sheringham was all over her back though.

(cue Ken C)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 08:35 (eighteen years ago)

i stopped paying any attention at all. this is appalling, isn't it?
here here!

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:03 (eighteen years ago)

I expect Shilpa is getting lots of votes from Bollywood fans - those films regularly make it to the top 10 UK box office. She does seem quite likeable and funny as well though.

― Mark Co (Markco), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

I can't even bring myself to watch any of this. I watched the first one to see who was in there and no doubt I'll watch the final one to see who wins, that is if C4 haven't abandoned the thing altogether by that stage. There didn't seem to me any opportunity to build on the interesting stuff which transpired with Barrymore and Galloway last year. Ultimately it just seems like an extended attempt at C4 to make Jade Goody one of their "names" in the same way that their Big Fat Quiz Of The Year was essentially an extended promo for Russell Brand.

If they returned to making good and intelligent programmes instead of hiring the squeakiest wheel to oil the non-existent post-pub audience then C4's money would be better spent.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

I think they're trying to kill it off, the Celebrity version I mean.

I mean, how do you follow last years, which had a ton of 'moments'...?

(or by being really rub this year, next years will look FANT!!)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

I'm only keeping up with CBB on this thread now! I may watch again when they get rid of the Goodys, unless my wife has other ideas (she's in charge of the remote control).

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

I really like Big Brother, but I'm pretty much done with this. I'll give it til the end of the week, because I do want to watch it, but god, they're making it difficult.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

i watch bbbm but struggle with the actual show.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

The live feed last night after BBBM was actually hilarious - Carole and Cleo were as pissed as newts and almost fondling Shilpa like a piece of meat! "I USED TO BE YOUNG". How old is Shilpa? I am useless at ages. I only watched for about five minutes but I really did have to tear myself away. Felt like watching some awful hack z-list party which is frankly WHAT WE WANT rather than "this doesn't really work" servant tasks.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)

shilpa is 31.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

The servant task is too long. For people who don't care about the eventual outcome of the show, and who aren't in there for very long, they shouldn't have these multi-day tasks.

The row between Ken and Jade was kind of sad, because it was mostly his fault, but he was obviously cornered and trying to bluff his way out of it, and a smarter person than her would have left it where it was.

I assume if you walk you don't get paid?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

Ken on BBBM was a fucking car crash.

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but it was one of those cool ones with a bullet riddled car crashing into a fuel truck, causing a huge fireball that can be seen on a Google Earth picture.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

You know the ones.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

yeah bbbm was good car crash.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

Also the servant task is old hat.

Think up some new ideas, thrusting Thatcherkids of Endemol, you get paid enough.

Maybe they find it useful practice with regard to how they treat their own servants.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

Is any reality show walkout better than Steve-O from Celebrity Love Island, who lasted about 28 hours and walked because they wouldn't give him (allgedly) any weed?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

If fact, I'm gonna go on YouTube now and try to find a clip of Brand screaming "FOR FUCK'S SAKE, KEN" after he pulls his chair halfway across the studio.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

fuck steve-o.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:46 (eighteen years ago)

My big silver knob. My big silver knob. My big silver knob.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

Youtube has failed me. :(

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

"SHATTAPP I WANNA HEAR WHAT KEN#S CHANTING"

(you don't really, Russell)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

People are voting to save Jackiey!

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

A few mentalists that think she is more of an "interesting dynamic" in the house than a "screeching gobshite", I'll wager.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

Or else they don't understand that they're voting to save.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

That latter sounds very probable.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I'll go with that.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

I stuck a tenner on Shilpa. You never know.

(11/2, third fav behind Cleo and Dirk)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

Or else they don't understand that they're voting to save.

i know people shouldn't be dumb enough to fall for this but you could be right, in fairness tho Channel4 shouldn't go about mixing up the voting process like this.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

They don't!

It's always been "save a celeb" on these things, right up until the "vote for the winner".

It's the 'members of the general public' we're allowed to hate/prejudge.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

Has it? I'm sure it was all eviction votes last year until the final night.

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

When I was able to view such information during previous BBs, there were always quite a few people voting for people who weren't even up for eviction that week.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, stupid GBP.

― chap (chap), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

It might be best to get Jack out first as it will piss Jade off. Jackiey's (wtf stupid spelling) days will be numbered come nomination time anyway.

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

ooh, drumroll: Jack and Jackieyeahyeahyeah are neck and neck!

Tomorrow night then (sorry keep thinking todays wednesday for some reason)

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

endemol are fucking idiots.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

the viewing figures suggest idiots are fucking endemol

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

Playing a hastily arranged gig at The 100 Club tomorrow night, Donny fans!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

oh god he's such a cunt

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

"I'm not going to sit down, not for you, not any more. I'll show you my dick if you like, but I won't do anything else."

BREAKDOWN IMMINENT.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

lolmg @ gangsta leo

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, I can't believe I saw H as the most likely candidate for a breakdown. Leo is like a small petulant child.

― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

I kinda hope they all get the fuck out of there and leave the Goody family to it.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

btw, I liked Jo best out of S Club.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

Leo's gone fucking mental, but I'm more concerned by Dirk's hostility toward "Hollywood liberal bullshit". Sigh. And he seemed so nice.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

OMG Leo's reading his contract. He's such a spoiled little dickhead.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

fs leo, grow some fucking balls and fuck off.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

It was pretty funny watching the realisation of exactly what he'd signed up to spread over his face.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

Shut up Leo! Shut up! Shut up! I can't believe you don't shut up!

Also, I really like Jade's glasses.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

"I couldn't talk to 'Indian', I just don't like her."

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

Leo is getting ever more convinced about his level of support from the General Public.

Jack is in danger of not being supported enough. (evics tonight)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

Jack is in more danger of becoming part of the walls or some shit. He should try saying something.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

No point, he's leaving tonight.

Jaquckiieyeyeyey should try not being a cunt.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

Like it would make any difference.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

He came over quite well last night. Maybe he's just in time...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

Shilpa has turned out to be far far nicer than I had imagined. And she has beautiful eyes.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

Dirk is now Favourite! What's that all about then?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

oh yah, and Shilpa + Dirk = CUET

Dirk was very sweet, talking about her in the DR. He amuses me so. The Dirk/Shilpa dynamic reminded me why I like this show, a peek of sunlight through the Goody stormcloud.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

"hostility towards Hollywood liberal bullshit" from a member of The A-Team shock horror youth cult probe

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

Jackiey is still a smidgin ahead of Jack in that Sparklit poll..

Margin of error/variance notwithstanding..

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

She better be going, or it's no more for me.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)


Jack Tweedy	2/9	1/4	1/3 	2/7	1/3	1/3	
Jackie Goody	11/4	5/2	5/2	5/2 	9/4	5/2

Selection of odds for first eviction from oddschecker. Jack was a much shorter price a couple of days ago but is still hot favourite to go.

There were good odds with some bookies on "any other" before the Goody clan entered.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

How can you trust people that can't even get her name right? Even allowing for lack of stupid variation on Jackiey, her surname isn't Goody.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

Answer = you don't trust them, they're bookies. I know.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

First eviction imminent! Who will it be, o dere viewer?

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

ALL OF THEM. THEY ARE ALL CUNTS. except cleo, who is lovely. and dirk. and shilpa. and jo, who might be okay. and the other ones who haven't registered.

nb: i'm not really watching. no, really.

JACKIEY TO GO, FFS. and her harridan daughter too.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

ooh, could be right. thank fuck.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

BB: "Big Brother gave the housemates a dilemma"
Jackiey: "what's a dimella?"

Hurrah, she's out!

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

like pus from a gaping wound.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

Jade has done nothing to make me hate her this series. Now that she has lost the thankless task of mothering her mother, perhaps it will be different.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

Was Jack missing just then? I didn't see him anywhere, and he wasn't comforting Jade.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

Jackiey, apart from the continued "the indian, chapelle, schipol, whatever" shit, is being a bit less irritating in her interview than she has been in the house. (not difficult, I know)

Jack was there. He's just so devoid of emotion and ability to interact with humans that he can't even comfort his crying girlfriend.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

(Jackiey really REALLY reminds me of someone I know and quite like, even though the person I know is also prone to moments of Jackiey-like horror)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

Haha Jack comforting Jade who is worried about how Jackiey will cope: "if people hate her, they'll like her after they hate her"

Yeah, you were better when you were quiet.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

I've just realised who Shahbaz Sayer has become: the disgusting man from the Carry On films:

http://www.carryonline.com/carryonline/images/castandcrew/portrait-butterworth.jpg

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

BBBM rofls

"Aw... poor Jackiey... having to leave looking like she's been napalmed"

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

Oh and Davina with "hands" gag wtf!

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

Won't see BBBM until the +1 showing at 11. Davina = worst eviction interview EVER ~~since the last one, and probably til the next one~~

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

I've finally completed the U-turn on Russell Brand and really like him now.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 22:19 (eighteen years ago)

WHY DIDN'T YOU WARN ME I'D HAVE TO WATCH RUSSELL BRAND PARTICIPATING IN SOMEONE GETTING WAXED?!?!?!

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

Oh I missed that bit :)

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

so funny

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

not brand

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

So the verdict on Cleo is that she's ok? The few couple of snatches of her I've seen she's been doing comedy accents, and I fucking hate people who do comedy accents.

― chap (chap), Thursday, 11 January 2007 00:14 (eighteen years ago)

That must have been one time, I haven't seen that.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 11 January 2007 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

Cleo seems ok to me.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 January 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

paul morley was rly reaching on bbbm.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

What, by starting the "Jackiey back in" campaign?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 11 January 2007 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, and *then* saying the goodys had gone in too soon. jackiey was not good tv.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

Oh it was 'good' 'TV' but there's only so much.
I also go with the 'reminds me of someone I know and like' above...

Now to Jack. Oh Jack!

I'd post Jack's classic nothing of a diary room entry, but I cannot remember any of it.

He will stay a fair while as no-one will actually nominate him.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 11 January 2007 09:52 (eighteen years ago)

God though, I'd buy a Jermaine Jackson self-hypnosis tape. He has the world's most relaxing voice.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

i know someone, actually am related to someone, like jackiey: but how does that make it any more ok?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

I kept wishing that Paul Morley would stop referring to The Goodys, as it confused me. I kept expecting to see Tim Brooke-Taylor, Grahame Garden and Bill Oddie appear.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

Tim Brooke-Taylor, Grahame Garden and Bill Oddie appear.

TBT and GG could make up interesting and amusing meanings for "Dimella" while Bill looked after the chickens. Goodies ftw.

― onimo (onimo), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:16 (eighteen years ago)

That would be great, as long as the other housemates were allowed to hunt Bill Oddie in the back garden. See, that's another task I'd happily watch. Who doesn't want to see Jermaine Jackson soothingly calling "come on out, Bill, it's okay?" It would be like that episode of Blake's 7.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

Endemol should listen to us.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

Everyone should listen to us!

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 January 2007 10:21 (eighteen years ago)

"essentially sub normal". Heh.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 11 January 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

(am just seeing eviction on C4 now, btw)

― stet (stet), Thursday, 11 January 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

carole malone is what we call in my house essentially a total dickhead

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 January 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

"She's what we would call in this country essentially subnormal" my arse.

Essentially subnormal

It's all maths!

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 January 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

MP: Leo's Guantanamo comparison is "gross"

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 January 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

leo is essentially v weird

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 January 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, was it the journalist woman who said that? Make sense, with the vapid patronising an all.

Is Jo S Club still in? I haven't seen her once in about, ooh, an hour's total watching.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 11 January 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

She's essentially not prominent.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 January 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

"An operator is essentially subnormal if its image in the Calkin algebra is subnormal."

Perhaps that's what she meant. Do we do a lot of Calkin algebra, in this country? I might not have noticed, I'm busy.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 11 January 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

carole Vs. dirk Vs. leo

horrible Vs. people like him Vs. weird

hope leo hasn't had too much annoying time on-camera (he has)

hopefully not enough to stop carole being essentially voted out, though (he hasn't)

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 January 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

patronising stronze Vs seemed quite nice in the ten minutes I saw him, smoking a big cigar and looking contented Vs oddster scurrying about in the background, looking paranoid.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 11 January 2007 22:21 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, wait, I haven't been watching this. What's "essentially subnormal" about? I saw a bit of Leo's hissy fit about comparing CBB to torture, so I do get that, but not this other thing.

― emil.y (emil.y), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:33 (eighteen years ago)

BRING BACK KEN

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:35 (eighteen years ago)

When Jackiey was turfed out, the journo woman slunk over to Dirk and whispered in his ear that Jackiey was what "we in this country" call "essentially subnormal".

― stet (stet), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:45 (eighteen years ago)

Carole to go, please. Although Leo is a nob, he's a nob that provides a lot of "wtf, did he just say that?" entertainment. Carole is zzz in comparison.
Dirk should never leave, obv.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 09:47 (eighteen years ago)

http://vote.sparklit.com/poll.spark/1025090

Here is the poll 'Results so far' barometer that often is useful and often accurate.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

I will vote once for carole not because she is essentially boring but because she is essentially really bad

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)

essentially sub-normal?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:11 (eighteen years ago)

What on earth was Cleo doing, blubbing in the diary room about Jackiey going, and saying that Jackiey was one of the greatest people she had ever met in her life????

― C J (C J), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)

being drunk?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:24 (eighteen years ago)

It was the most important person they'd all met in their lives, in front of the others.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:29 (eighteen years ago)

russell was good on this.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for the clarification, Alba - I couldn't remember the exact words and location of her amazing statement because my brain had exploded.

― C J (C J), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

I do not watch russell brand

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

he is funny though.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

There's something weirdly compelling about Russell Brand.

― C J (C J), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

This series, BBBM >>> CBB main show

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

word. i don't even watch main show now.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

Does anybody watch the "was irreverant onceuponatime, now as comfy as Radio 2" Little Brother show?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

.. anymore?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

Sure, gotta get a dose of Dermot.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

there's something strangely irritating about russell brand

It was the most important person they'd all met in their lives, in front of the others.

that was an amazing thing to say though. haha

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

some funny bits, this year:

jackiey coming out to the hot tub in her swimsuit w/ hair & make-up by H from steps and dirk, leo & jermaine sitting in the chairs by the hot tub and jermaine staring at jackiey and dirk saying to leo "jermaine's just taking it all in" and jermaine turning around w/ a look of disbelief/horror and saying "I'm...mesmerized"

then when jackiey got in the hot tub jade saying "I'm not going to lie to you--you look like a transsexual"

jackiey evicted w/ no shoes and her shirt hiked up w/ cream on her back and carpet burns by H from steps

haha, dirk rubbing his arm and saying to leo "I think I got that litvar shit" (litvinenko)

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

I HAVE READ CHECKOV!!!

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

H FROM STEPS MUST GO!
Still.

Jackiey: not funny.

― DavidM* (unreal), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

H isn't offending me at all, what's teh beef?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, H seems okay.

Dirk should never leave, obv.

I think my crush on him from the early eighties may be resurfacing. Although it is hard to have a crush on anyone in the BB house, because of all the time they spend looking like they would on your sofa, watching Football Focus. Ruins the mystique.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

He looks terrific for 61.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 January 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

I think I got that litvar shit

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

Dudes, Leo's gone!

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

What?????

― C J (C J), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yep. I turned on the live feed at lunchtime to hear Cleo say "Well, that's another one gone," and when I checked the channel 4 website, it said he'd escaped. No other news yet.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

ACES.

Bye, Carole.

Plz 2 post pics of Endemol ppl flogging themselves over CBB messy foul-up.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

Apparently voting has been suspended, so maybe not bye bye Carole, maybe they'll just keep her and try and get him to give an interview.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

It's slightly annoying, because this means that the Geezers have far fewer members as a group than the Young Uns, which makes it more likely that the three people I like: Cleo, Dirk, and Jermaine, will get booted out one after the other.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm. You don't suppose these walkouts are actually pre-arranged, in order to fabricate "drama" or anything? If the programme is set to run for 4 weeks with two evictions a week, then why did they have 11 original slebs + Jade's family = 14 people? It's almost like some of them have been primed to leave under their own steam in a bid to make things seem 'interesting' (which they're not, by the way, Mr Endemol).

― C J (C J), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

According to DS Chris Moyles was saying on his show this morning that C4 had fucked up by telling people to vote to save on one of the TV shows while telling people to vote to evict elsewhere.

Hopefully there'll be another eviction tonight and they can throw in a substitute sleb.

― onimo (onimo), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

that jack is a nasty piece of work. nasty.

― acrobat (elwisty), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, he spoke?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

DS:BB can confirm that Leo's voting line has been closed; those for Carole and Dirk are still open and one of them will be evicted tonight.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

oh good

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

2 for the price!

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

god what a load of shit, bring on the non-celeb BB where decent weirdo's at least appreciate being cooped up, go mental, and get laughed at.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

leo's problem was that he was "too entertaining"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

I'm into Jacksons ability to 'listen' to the other housemates problems by wolfing food down at the same time.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

apprently jack done a racialist slur on shilpa but it got beeped. that's bad. he was very mean about her in bed with jade. he was calling her a wanker and a tosser. which was mean. i like her.

― acrobat (elwisty), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

yes, my mate reckons he said something racial. i wasn't sure. what a prick if he did though.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

I missed the very end of last night's. After he said to Jade in bed "I dislike Shipla, in fact I hate her", did he explain why?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

Jade told him to shut up.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

he did a mimicky impression of her but I still couldn't understand what his problem was. Fair play to Jade tho.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

then he shouted "wanker"

I think shilpa was in the diary room at the time

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

"WANKER"

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, this is a great 4 week long "look how far I've come!" PR love-in for Jade, hats off to her.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

a minute ago you were calling her a "cunt"!!!

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

add sarcasm tags as you see fit.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

I guess I'm trying to say "yes, well done, Jade, for having a TV production company put you in a housesharing situation with a few people that are actually more vile than yourself, and well done for being about 20% more mature than the last series of BB, this is totally silencing your critics."

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

a minute ago you were calling her a "cunt"!!!

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

If jade wins, the shark is totally and permanently jumped.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

a minute ago you were calling her a "cunt"!!!

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

let go

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

"look how far I've come!"

http://i3.tinypic.com/vrww88.jpg

― onimo (onimo), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

cunt

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

a minute ago you were saying "hats off to her"!!!

― onimo (onimo), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

a minute ago somebody was deliberately "misinterpreting my posts"!!!

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

apprently jack done a racialist slur on shilpa but it got beeped.

I did wonder if the R word was involved in Jack's weird dislike of the perfectly friendly and normal Shilpa.

― chap (chap), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

A minute ago, it was 15:44

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

"I'm leaving the House guys cos Big Brother won't provide me with underwear," he announced.
"Oh, don't be daft," said Carole.

"No I'm going for the door, I'm outta here."
"He's not going," said Jade
"Oh don't," repeated Cleo.
"You can have some of mine," offered Dirk helpfully.
But like all the best divas, Leo was already two steps into his dramatic exit. "F*** this," he huffed and started beating his fist on a two-way mirror.
"Don't do anything rash," said Dirk
"I'm not," said Leo, grabbing a broom from the kitchen and forcing his way through one of the walls.
"He's gone!" said Ian.
"Everyone's going mad in here," nodded Jo.
"I can't believe he's gone!" said a shocked Danielle.

But he has, Danielle. Well, he did once write a song called 'Running To My Freedom'...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

..grabbing a broom from the kitchen and forcing his way through one of the walls.

okay i have to see this

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

I think after a week of explaining to any fucker who would pretend to listen about the pressures of stardom/fame/popularity he probably didn't want to face eviction booing and confirmation, if it were needed, that he's really just a wee sad guy.

― onimo (onimo), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

There was a funny bit last night where he doggedly followed three of the girls round the house, oblivious to the fact they were trying to get away from him.

― chap (chap), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

He Won't Let The Show Go On

― C J (C J), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

I liked Jermaine trying not to grimace when Leo was giving him a quick rendition of some song he'd just recorded for someone who "wanted his high voice because no-one else in the world could sing it"

― onimo (onimo), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

That's second only to Dirk's "omfg, I'm looking as bored as I possibly can, and the little fucker still won't stfu" expression when they were on the garden seating the other day.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

All the people who get on the housemates' nerves are leaving one by one.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

So who's next after Carole?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

H from Steps.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

No, he's too popular with the young 'uns. Jade, Jack, Jo, Danielle and H (kind of) make a kind of voting bloc now, I think, which puts Dirk, Shilpa, Jermaine and Cleo in a rocky position.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

Cleo is the safe nice mummy.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

Right, Carole is going, by an overwhelming majority, probably biggest ever share of the vote, without even being 'hated' much.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

Leo's nominations were based solely on who he considered the least 'celeb'like of the housemates.

Ah well, that's Leo's 'profile in the UK' finished.

Unless the interview with Davina goes fantastically well, or he stblishes a fantastic comedy rapport with Russell.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

He's a horrible man.

― chap (chap), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't watch either interview. I was surprised to see
a) Carol do her nut over there being three of them in the conversation
b) fucking everyone nominating Dirk, that young/old split is getting bad
c) Dirk pouring the whiskey away rather than letting the others have it

I have to say that my least favourite aspect of BB is always the girlys banding together on a bed to keep everyone awake, try each other's makeup, and say stupid, catty things to each other. And it's happening now with Jade, Jo, and Danielle. I don't like it.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, that footage of Leo fighting with the security and staff after breaking out...

Ugh, that footage of Jack having a wank against Jade's leg...

― DavidM* (unreal), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:03 (eighteen years ago)

I felt a little sorry for Leo when he was fighting with the security guards. I thought he was in the right then & I would have done the same.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

Ugh, that footage of Jack having a wank against Jade's leg...

Ew, really? Ew. I'm glad I missed that. Jack should be next out though.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 13 January 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

yay, i found a link to KEN, FOR FUCK'S SAKE! from BBBM.

I didn't watch last night, Leo fought with security? I have to see this (but it's not on youtube yet)!

― teh_kit (g-kit), Saturday, 13 January 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

tis now

― Ste (Fuzzy), Saturday, 13 January 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

wowsers. thanks, dude.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

JackWank was on Russell's show.

It's as bad as it sounds. (under covers, naturally)

My final word re: Leo. One of those people that regards themselves as 'comedy, cheer people up, a laugh, etc' but as soon as someone suggests they aren't funny, they get ANGRY/ABUSIVE!!!

btw, whatever did happen to Calum?

― mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just watching Leo's nominations for the first time.

lol. What a cock.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

"She's not a celebrity. She takes the bus."

Yeah, I'm sure Leo Sayer travels round Sydney in a fucking limo getting mobbed by hoards of Australian teenagers.

― chap (chap), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

Well, cost of everything is much less there so he might well do.

More footage of his 'discussion' at the gate. All that demanding and anger is in stark contrast to his 'I'm a nice person really' interview with DAvina. Wonder who 'talked some sense into him' or 'shot him with the sed a give'...

― mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 13 January 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

this program has some rather unpleasant people on it. i don't like them. danielle and jack in particular. they are awful people.

― acrobat (elwisty), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

a tiny bit more footage of leo at the gate

― Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 14 January 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

this program has some rather unpleasant people on it.

You're not familiar with the concept of Big Brother then?

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 14 January 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

Leo Sayer once gave advice to short men to make them look taller..."Wear a long jacket".

― Alan Bean (Alan Bean), Sunday, 14 January 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

Did he offer any advice on not looking like a twat?

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 14 January 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

The girls + Jack ganging up on Shilpa really annoyed me - like none of them (even Danielle who was a beauty queen contestant!) had heard of dark haired women bleaching facial hair ffs. Jo's "comedy" Indian accent was fucking shocking - I think she realised she'd gone a bit far as later she was sitting with Cleo saying how Danielle was out of order.

Shilpa's got a spare face or two as well mind, she follows the everybody's sorry huggathon by going into the room and bitching to Jermaine about the girls.

― onimo (onimo), Sunday, 14 January 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

I think a little bit of bitching is perfectly reasonable. What else are you going to talk about in a situation with no stimulus apart from other people? Also, if everyone stopped acting in a civilized, polite manner towards people they actually despised, society would crumble.

― chap (chap), Sunday, 14 January 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah but why despise someone who hasn't really done anything apart from make dinner and put her make up on?

The wieght of numbers should now ensure a young'ns clique in the final days, which will be shite.

― onimo (onimo), Sunday, 14 January 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I was sticking up for Shilpa, not the girls; their bitchiness is at unreasonable levels.

― chap (chap), Sunday, 14 January 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

So, did anybody see the "Jackson Five Tribute Band"?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 09:19 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the Steps band was better!

― C J (C J), Monday, 15 January 2007 09:25 (eighteen years ago)

> Ah well, that's Leo's 'profile in the UK' finished.

you'd think. except jon mccrirrick still gets work, possibly more now than ever. leo did seem a lot calmer when talking to dermot on sunday lunchtime, almost likeable. almost.

haven't been watching the new series apart from a couple of episodes. still feels like endermol are shooting themselves in the feet more often than not. the goody family idea seemed a bit of a mess even if jackie-with-a-y is actually more famous than a couple of the others. jade's grandparents seemed ok though.

dave gorman otm, basically.

― My Koogy Weighs A Ton (koogs), Monday, 15 January 2007 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

Well, John Mc wasn't (and never did) trying to have a public persona of "nice funny guy"...

The gall of telling Jermaine Jackson that "no one can do the high vocals like I can" without even qualifying Michael Jackson..

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 10:04 (eighteen years ago)

dave gorman otm, basically.

Why, what did Dave Gorman say?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 10:25 (eighteen years ago)

Goody not so good for Big Brother

Viewing figures have however, spiraled from 7.1 million to 2.8 million this Saturday, when the show took just 11.9 percent of the audience share.

Channel 4 suffers profits slump

― onimo (onimo), Monday, 15 January 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

gorman acused jackie-with-a-y of borderline racism (much to dermot's dismay). normally all the guests say is 'oh, this is the best year yet' so it was nice to hear some dissent.

he then went on to explain who would win using a venn diagram of lack of ego, some other category i can't remember and the britishness of their career (ruling out jermaine and dirk). he whittled it down to cleo and h/ian.

― My Koogy Weighs A Ton (koogs), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

So, not Shilpa then?

Bang goes my tenner.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

'spiralling' means 'going upwards'.

im sure the show always loses viewers after opening night. but i am one of those who hasn't watched a proper ep since the goodys went in.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

Apparently it got beaten in the ratings by that BBC 2 show about maintaining your own vegetable patch.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

'spiralling' means 'going upwards'

Wot, like a 'downward spiral'?

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

v. spi·raled also spi·ralled, spi·ral·ing also spi·ral·ling, spi·rals also spi·rals
v.intr.
1. To take a spiral form or course.
2. To rise or fall with steady acceleration.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

And let's not forget comedy Oirish rapper Spoiral.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

steady acceleration. In the Nation. to use a generalisAtion...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

oddly, googling 'spiralling ratings' gets (out of only 323 hits) lots about the oc. 'spiralling house prices' gets thousands of hits.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 15 January 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

most blatant televised racism outside of that documentary on the bnp and little britain?

― acrobat (elwisty), Monday, 15 January 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

that documentary on the bnp and little britain

for a second i thought this was one documentary about the two things. that i would watch.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:01 (eighteen years ago)

Naah (xpost), it's :

For all Jade's 'grown upness' and her developed 'wonderful business brane' (c) Carole Chaplin..

.. she still climbs a tree to jump down harder when she has to spend a length of time with someone better looking and smarter (in the trad sense), much like she did with that housemate that came in late inthe game during her first BB stay.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

she still climbs a tree to jump down harder

I don't know what this means.

You know, I'm watching last night's show now, and it does seem like Jermaine Jackson and Dirk Benedict could actually end up friends. You can kind of tell that Shilpa doesn't spend a lot of time around pissed people. She just doesn't know how to deal with them.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Ahem..

(c) Carole Malone I mean. So much for raising her profile. I see the 'TRUTH ABOUT BIG BROTHER' was in the Sunday Mirror. Basically, that Jermaine may walk, and Cleo will win.

Although Leo is convinced the whole show is a FIX and that the producers have SORTED IT so that JADE will WIN!!! not that he's PARANOID or anything..

(potential typo just fixed in time: "Leo is convinced the whole show is a FAX.." )

xpost explanation: Getting on a high horse is not high enough, climbs a tree so as to come down harder onto someone etc..)

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

i want jade to win, same as i did last time

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

is that because you think she deserves to win, or because it's the result C4/endemol/the viewing public deserve?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

there is no prejudice it will not confirm in me

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

Some Gunk Task (presumably to be shown tomorrow...)

Monday 15 January
Day 13, 14:51
There's a surprise in store for the dolled up housemates...

When is a red carpet event, not really a red carpet event? Answer: when the red carpet is covered in sticky gunk that will foil your every step.

Right now, the housemates are getting changed into some terribly snazzy evening wear provided by Big Brother for their latest task - vaguely described as a 'red carpet event'. Yum yum: cocktails and caviar. Or so you'd think...

What the Celebs don't know is they're set to run the gauntlet of Big Brother's Red Carpet assault course. That means negotiating their way through a terrifying gunge-fest in the garden. No cocktails. No caviar.

"Once you're on the red carpet then what happens, do you just stand there?" wondered Jade while squeezing into a black cocktail dress.

"Maybe we're going to meet a new housemate," suggested Jo.

"I think this is bidding goodbye," said Shilpa glumly

All wrong. Here's what the housemates will really be getting up to in order to bag a luxury shopping budget this week...

1 Limo - Housemates must all wait in a limousine, ready to run the Red Carpet.

2 VIP Pit - Housemates must first negotiate their way through the perils of the gunge-filled VIP Pit, ducking through the hoops as they go.

3 Champagne Fountain - Housemates must make their way over the champagne fountain being sprayed with sticky water all the way.

4 Shower Of Awards - Housemates must collect a trophy from the lectern by unscrewing it, all the time being gunged from above.

5 Crawl Of Fame - Housemates must crawl through the sticky Hollywood crawl of fame gunge trap.

6 Fan Frenzy - Housemates must stop for autographs by the paparazzi where they'll be squirted with gunge from the camera lenses.

7 Photo Opportunity - At the end of the Red Carpet housemates must pose for pictures with their trophy before the next housemate makes their run.

The group have nine minutes to complete the whole thing - and they're getting ready by applying a ton of make-up and blow-drying their hair.

Well that's gonna be a waste of time...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

Are they going to replace Marcus Bentley with Stuart Hall for the evening?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

Limo - Housemates must all wait in a limousine, ready to run the Red Carpet

where the heck is this all taking place?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

The limo was in the garden on the live feed.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

Two hours to cook a chicken? People are idiots.

On the other hand, if you don't know how to roast a chicken, let the people who think they do know into the kitchen. Then if they fuck it up, that's their problem.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

You know, the Sunday prog started up with the "Oh shilpa said this to me" and I was OH GOD!! and if it wasn't for the fact the remote had died, I'd have turned over quite soon. Which would have been bad as the "tribute" contest was probably the best task so far easily.

Now? oh god it's 1 hr 10 mins of "Oh shilpa cooked the chicken"..

WHEN'S NOMINATIONS!!>???????

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know, I find it kind of interesting that Jo is torn between wanting to appear to be a nice person to the outside world and wanting to be in with the in crowd.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

Holy shit, H from Steps really was bullied at school.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6265127.stm

Ofcom getting involved again.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

How much do you bet that Jade Among the Eskimos will be in production before this show is even over?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

i've just watched some of this. my god. okay, i might be missing some subtleties - but FUCK ME, danielle and jade (and jo) are appalling. i said danielle carried an air of sadness; i was obviously getting sadness confused with vileness.

and srsly, jade: stop it with the stupid act. because you can't possibly be that fucking stupid, or you wouldn't be able to breathe.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

and cleo, stop being so fucking nice. start fighting people.

preferably in a bath of mud.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

But you know what? Shilpa never, ever lets anyone finish a sentence. And her laugh would get on my nerves too. And she is fake.

Not that that excuses the shite that she's having to put up with, but still...

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

And she is fake.

AAARRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!

― DavidM* (unreal), Monday, 15 January 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

I don't see how she's fake, I don't even really know what that means (idiot speak for 'tactful' and 'diplomatic' maybe?).

She was trying a bit too hard to ingratiate herself to the girls for a day or two, which probably would've been a bit grating and annoying, but she's realised that wasn't working, and is now sensibly keeping her distance.

― chap (chap), Monday, 15 January 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

I've only seen the first episode and tonight's, but I think Shilpa is really sweet. I'm glad Dirk seems alright as well.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Monday, 15 January 2007 22:46 (eighteen years ago)

I LOVE H FROM STEPS

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:06 (eighteen years ago)

finally watched an episode in full tonight. the questions and answers thing was v funny altho v disturbed by just HOW stupid Jack is.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

I hope that Jade would somehow get voted out leaving Jack behind to fend for himself. Won't happen though due to the GBP's mystifying love for that bovine gobshite woman.

― DavidM* (unreal), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think Shilpa's sweet at all. I think she's bossy and kind of behaves like a spoiled child.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

I don't see how she's fake, I don't even really know what that means (idiot speak for 'tactful' and 'diplomatic' maybe?)

i think so. i'm at a loss too.

i mean, given that all these people are "celebrities" - ie individuals who live their lives to some extent in the public eye - and must be aware, even at the vaguest jade-brain level, that they are being filmed 24/7 and that their image (take that how you will) is being beamed around the UK, i imagine that they're not, y'know, KEEPING IT FUCKING REAL all day long.

and given that we all project an image of ourselves to whoever we're with, and subtly change facets of our behaviour to suit, find me one person who, genuinely, KEEPS IT FUCKING REAL all day and i'll show you some kind of sociopath.

i have no idea what "fake" means in this context. i really don't. shilpa isn't a slack-jawed intelligence vacuum who opens their mouth and lets the slow hiss of their decomposing brain pass for speech? she isn't TELLING IT LIKE IT IS, like danielle/jo/jade and the thousands upon thousands of other quarter-wits who've never quite worked out that not being a self-obsessed, self-centred, small-minded, bigoted, bullying bastard is actually, y'know, a sign of civilised intelligence?

well, no, she isn't. but, on this evidence, i fail to see how that's a bad thing at all.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)

i have no idea what "fake" means in this context.

I think it basically means that they suspect her of being two-faced, that she is being pleasant to them to their faces but secretly despises them because she thinks she is better than they are. Possibly she does, but it's more likely that they only think that because she's got a posh accent and laughs at the way they talk.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)

or because they know they're behaving despicably?

either way, sorry for the rant. i just find "fake" such a pathetic insult. as someone sagely pointed out upthread/in every BB thread ever, moderating our behaviour and disguising what we really think in a situation is what keeps us vaguely civilised.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:59 (eighteen years ago)

Right, but my problem with her is that she doesn't really moderate her behavior. I mean, when Jade's grandparents came round for dinner, she behaved toward them as though they were some kind of pets, saying how cute they were and giving them little hugs and stuff. I don't think that endeared her to Jade in any way. And pretending to give a fuck about Carole. Come on. Of course you have to let on you care, but you don't have to be a drama queen about it.

I think "fake" is what stupid people say when their spider senses tingle about someone but they can't put their finger on exactly what the problem is.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

Jack is borderline retarded, surely,

And Danielle seems to be utterly consumed with jealousy over Shilpa, she seems to occupy her every waking thought. You could see it on her face the instant they first met - Danielle assumed she'd be the best looking girl in there, then in walks Shilpa - "not only is she better looking than me, but my god, she's an INDIAN!" Hopefully their first meeting on the first night is on youtube somewhere. You should check it out, it's written all over her face.

― nate woolls (napawo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 08:22 (eighteen years ago)

"Who Goes.. You decide... On BBC1 there's "Waking the dead", on BBC2 there's "Allotment, Allotment, Allotment", on ITV1 there's "...

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

The bore-o-meter in this years Sleb BB is almost about to tip BB4 levels.

Shilpa just seemed genuinely entertained by Jade's grandparents - I thought that was really nice, nto condescending - I am sure I couldn't have coped as well with them as she did.

I learnt that Jo left a certain school after being bullied so it's good to know she's getting her own back by being the bully on NATIONAL TV, urgh. Someone said upthread she was caught between two groups, yeah right!

H's nipples. Put a tshirt on, you poor wet.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, jo is the worst of the three

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

Jade has been dumped as spokesman for a bullying charity, because, well, y'know.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

Danielle seems the worst to me by far - she seems to be getting a genuine thrill out of bringing up Shilpa at every opportunity. "AND THEN WE CAN PUT OUR FANNY FLAKES IN SHILPA'S CURRY HAR HAR" I think the other two were laughing a little nervously at that.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

Jade has been dumped as spokesman for a bullying charity, because, well, y'know.

That's two CBBs on the trot that have managed that. It happened to Jodie Marsh last year. (In fact, I think Jade was chosen as her replacement)

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

WHO'S JADE's REPLACEMENT, BIN LADEN HAHA AMIRITE???

ahem..

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

Urgh yes - that was disgusting! There was a stunned silence for a couple of beats and then Jo and Jade clearly think "in for a penny in for a pound" and roffle hysterically. Must go.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

FANNY FLAKES

oh, no, oh dear no.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

"AND THEN WE CAN PUT OUR FANNY FLAKES IN SHILPA'S CURRY HAR HAR"

???!!!

you're making that up. please tell me you're making that up?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

xposts: you're not, are you?

dere god.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

danielle might say the most and even the worst but I think she wouldn't if it weren't for jo

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

srsly she said that?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

jo said something about something drying up her/our thrush

and danielle...well...yeah. something about shilpa's curry, anyway

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

I think the other two were laughing a little nervously at that.

It was like one of those silences from "The Office" after a David Brent funnie.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

"AND THEN WE CAN PUT OUR FANNY FLAKES IN SHILPA'S CURRY HAR HAR"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

You know that time where we start a new thread and use a line from BB so far in the thread heading,

Let's not use that one.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

Seconded.

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

Oh god, yes. I agree.

I just want to clarify, because I know how easily I can fall into the trap of arguing myself into a position I don't necessarily hold, that I abhore the three-headed person of It's Jo and Jade (and Danielle). I just don't particularly like Shilpa either.

The thing that annoys me most is that I have this suspicion that elsewhere in the house, fun conversations where Cleo recounts yet more tales of what Kenny Everett used to get up to are going on, and we are missing them in order to focus on Mallory Towers, the Slapper Years.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

xposts

it's not often i find myself lost for words.

christ's teeth.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

> The bore-o-meter in this years Sleb BB is almost about to tip BB4 levels.

again, i'd rather have it 'boring' than the freak show it has become. get danielle out the house and jade and jo'll calm down and it'll just be like half a dozen 'normal' people thrown together, more like it used to be. and more learning tasks, less buckets of gunge.

(didn't see a single shot of jo last night where she wasn't smoking)

the rambling eskimo question was loltastic. cleo's response to her answer was spot on.

― My Koogy Weighs A Ton (koogs), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

Channel 4 has said it will not tolerate any racist abuse on Celebrity Big Brother and confirmed that Jack Tweed called fellow housemate Shilpa Shetty a "cunt", not a "Paki".

i was reading this alexander cockburn thing the other day about racism and this was more or less it: be as racist as you like, as long as you don't use hate-speech you're home safe.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

Spots bring Danielle and Shilpa together

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

C4 should release the uncensored footage.

I don't get why they bleep 'cunt' but not 'fuck'.

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

Most people find it a stronger word.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

You're allowed a certain number of each. If you have more than a certain number of "fuck"s then you're not allowed a "cunt".

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

So how many 'fucks' did Jack have before he has his ~~'paki'~~ 'cunt' bleeped?

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

You have to turn to "cock" instead.

x-post

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

never!

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

you could always throw in a couple of fannies

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLdy4RL4fD4

Is this is bit in question?

The bleep sounds as if it has "bitch" at the end of it. I can't imagine he'd say "cunt bitch" or that Jade would try to shut him up for calling someone a cunt.

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's "cunt itch".

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:49 (eighteen years ago)

since when does cunt end with something that sounds like 'eeee' (cunty?) cos even though its bleeped, you still catch the 'eee' sound at the end.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6265127.stm

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

digital spy are kind of lovin' it in a "we are changing the world!" kinda way...

― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

The Times of India are in no doubt what Wanky Jack actually said.

Actually, the interview with Shilpa's publicist is pretty illuminating - they're obviously in no doubt either.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

"Channel 4 state that they will not tolerate racism but misogyny is just fine!"

― Mark Co (Markco), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

indian paper has a few pop-ups.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry about that.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

I've pretty much given up on CBB this year, I haven't been watching lately. Has there been any more cuet/interesting Dirk/Shilpa flirtage on the C4 show, or has it been soul-destroying ignorance and borderline racism all over?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

The latter, sadly.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

:(
rubbish

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

It is rubbish. I wish they had two separate shows for it. The oldarse show, where Jermaine and Dirk talk about the log cabin mock up of the house they're going to build when they show is over, and the young people's one, which I can ignore.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

Then BBC 'have your say' comments are predictably depressing...

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=5271&&&edition=1&ttl=20070116141340

Added: Tuesday, 16 January, 2007, 11:58 GMT 11:58 UK

1. She is being called "the Indian", because she is from India, therefore she is Indian.
(If we called Jade a Chav, would that be racist?)

2. She is being ganged up upon because she is a behaving like an upper class, spoilt person.

Sick and tired of people using the word "racist" without due cause.

Annie, Manchester

Recommended by 91 people

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think people know what the word "racist" means anymore. I heard a really drunk guy on the train the other night say "Now, I'm not a racist, but I can't stand those fucking n***ers."

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

Jade fan in not very sharp shockah.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

a minute ago she called her a "chav"!!!

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

carole was just on ITN saying it wasnt racism but bullying, well fine, its not 100% racism, but if many of the comments being used by the 'bullies' is in fact about shilpas race or in reference to indian things, then its still racism, no?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

i think it's racism, pretty much.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

'Recommended by 91 people' is the bit that depresses me the most.

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

let go
xposts

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

shilpa's PRs response in the indian times is shockingly feeble. someone sack them asap plz.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

shilpa's PR in 'also rising above it' shackoh!

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

> (If we called Jade a Chav, would that be racist?)

are chavs a race?

― My Koogy Weighs A Ton (koogs), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

dirk 4tw?

jermaine is nice but he cries too much
as does shilpa

the rest can all ~~die~~be evicted.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

You missed Cleo in your list there Ken.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

I hope Dirk ftw. I haven't seen Jermaine cry actually! But I did see H having the sniffles last night. Well, heard him. In the bathroom. At least that's what I HOPE I HEARD. etc.

Shilpa looked so young and sad when she was crying! I wanted to give her a teddy bear.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

haha russell on his 'cry-wank'.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

yes. and also his 'probably wasn't at all' ending.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

ooooooh yes! CLEO 4TW

cleo and dirk to shag on final night

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Dirk 4tw.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

the famous left-wing news paper called the guardian has this tosay:

"Last night, the trio's emnity against Shilpa exploded because Shetty a) went and lay down on her bed, b) put on her fairy wings because she was depressed and c) wanted to cook the chicken for 45 minutes. That's it. I didn't see any racism when I watched last night, just a trio of complete bitches making life thoroughly unpleasant for someone else."

someone else who happens to not be white. it's not racist, they just have a totally irrational loathing for someone with different skin colour is all.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

Shilpa looked so young and sad when she was crying!

that's kind of the problem.. she is like 31(?) and you'd think one would grow up a bit by that age!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

people are allowed to cry, ken.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

they shouldnt be allowed to wear fairy wings though. what is she, ten years old? (of course i feel sorry for her if shes down and everyone is allowed their own methods of pick-me-ups but must it be wings?)

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

someone else who happens to not be white. it's not racist, they just have a totally irrational loathing for someone with different skin colour is all.

which they manifest through "comedy" accents and snide remarks about "curry". no, no racism there, obviously.

what the fuck is going on here? seriously: i can't believe this. any remaining respect i might have had for channel 4 is pretty much destroyed.

who wrote that in the grauniad, enrique?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

because they're a fucking arsehole, whoever they are.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

dunno, it's on one of their blogs.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

shouldnt be allowed to wear fairy wings

It might be a bit silly for a 31 year old women but "shouldn't be allowed" wtf? What is the problem with her doing this? Of all the things that shouldn't be allowed in that house I think that's maybe a wee bit down the list.

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

ah stephen brook

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/01/are_the_cbb_housemates_being_r.html

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

if i was being bullied and had no access to friends or books or music or going out or any of the things which normally make me feel better, i think fairy wings might well become an acceptable recourse

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

i was exaggerating with the 'shouldnt be allowed', im not placing some sort of embargo on fairy wings. im just saying they were a bit childish, thats all. and whats wrong with teddy bears?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

> dunno, it's on one of their blogs.

the guardian increasingly just raids user comments and passes them off as content. the one i was reading last night had 3 pages of meta about (lack of) flaming on art criticism blogs. the bbc too. if i wanted to spend my time reading messageboard post, oh, wait...

(that said, the message board page in family section on saturdays is usually the most interesting bit. also notes and queries, which i never see anymore)

― My Koogy Weighs A Ton (koogs), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

yeah no this is a real guardian writer, their press correspondent.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

yeh, SB is on the guardian payroll, innee?

OTM reply from someone called ThePoetsThumb on guardian comment site: i agree with everything this says:

Last night's highlights of BB were just about the most uncomfortable ever broadcast. Shilpa Shetty is being systematically bullied, and race has been used as a defining feature of the abuse and isolation she has had to endure. That is racism. Other bloggers would do well to realise that and stop equivocating. I'm pleased to see that there is such an avalanche of protest at this stage, but if it does not have a direct effect on events in the house, Endemol will prove once and for all that their sense of responsibility towards participating housemates is completely redundant. I hope that Jade, Jack, Danielle and Jo face an unadulterated world of shit when they come out. They deserve nothing else.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

cocks. have i left a tag open?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Endemol only have a sense of responsibility towards their shareholders; everyone knows that.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

xpost: oh, no. crappy IE-at-work in "unable to display even ILX properly" shockah. carry on.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

All this "FIVE THOUSAND COMPLAINTS" coverage is going to boost the ratings isn't it?

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

Nominations today, isn't it?

Shilps vs Jade vs Daniells ay? could be?

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

Bookies have Danielle at odds-on to go.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

people are allowed to cry, ken

if they did it on a bus you'd be whinging about it.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

she is like 31(?) and you'd think one would grow up a bit by that age!

-- ken c (pykachu10...), January 16th, 2007.

they'd grow so up they'd be loudly playing mp3s/video games on a bus.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

snide remarks about "curry"

shilpa made some curry

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Did we know that Danielle was replaced by a British Indian when she was stripped of her Miss Great Britain title?

http://www.preetidesai.com/

(spotted on DS)

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

shilpa made some curry

oh. sorry, last thing i saw they were moaning about "how 'they' cook chicken in india" and so on (that was pretty much where i gave up), and i assumed this was some kind of continuation. still, fuck it, i'm not going to waste too much time feeling bad about potentially misjudging the arse triplets.

my point still stands: there's a snide low-level racism at work here. i'm not sure it's as simple as "shilpa is indian, therefore we don't like her"; it seems more like "we don't like shilpa, therefore we'll use her race against her".

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

damnnnn

xpost

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

I keep thinking:

"I hope none of these damn Britishers win"

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

greek lady ftw.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

(although that's based on aesthetic appeal alone, really.)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

jade can't be a racist anyway cos she's mixed race innit.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

mixed race inuuit!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

17:25: The live feed has been blocked for the last half an hour.

Nominations, then!

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

inuit

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

Looking at Betfair, Shilpa should overtake Cleo as favourite by Thursday. Danielle at evens to go, Jade at twos.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

Danielle must go!!

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

digital spy is broken! by which i mean very, very slow.

― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

Denial of service attack by the BNP?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

"Do they eat with their hands in India, or is it in China?"

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

Jermaine has pulled the "Man In The Mirror" card!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

OMG, Jade's made-up racist dream. "And then we got in trouble and not her." "Bitch."

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

the arse triplets

Kudos, grimlord.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

Why is Danielle so worried about her boobs coming out? Don't they come out professionally?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, but she gets paid money for it those times. (And she's one of the FHM No Nips brigade, I think)

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

"pick it out with your teeth."

fucking hell.

― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, he really is a shitbag. But, on a related note, who the hell pours soup down a toilet?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

I'd rather put soup down the toilet than the sink, especially if your plumbing is a bit dodgy as the arse triplets claim.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

I do not understand why Shilpa does not LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!! They obviously fucking hate her, why can't she just stay away from them?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not sure it's as simple as "shilpa is indian, therefore we don't like her"; it seems more like "we don't like shilpa, therefore we'll use her race against her".

This is exactly it.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:31 (eighteen years ago)

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1992029,00.html

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 03:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://bigbrother.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds11574.html

lol

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 03:53 (eighteen years ago)

I watched this last night.
iirc, Shilpa tipped it down the toilet because Dirk said "tip it down the toilet".

Did I dream it, or did it happen like this:
She even walked past the sisters grim, they asked what she was doing, she told them, they didn't say anything like "OMG NO, DON'T DO THAT", so she tipped it down there, then they all went "lolmg wtf wai did u do that lolololol u r thick!"

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 08:57 (eighteen years ago)

Were they holding little cards with emoticons drawn on them as well?

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:02 (eighteen years ago)

They're not pr0 enough for live-action emoticons.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:04 (eighteen years ago)

ROFL

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:06 (eighteen years ago)

Again, Danielle seemed the worst to me. Of the chicken down the loo, Jo said "Stupid". Danielle then chipped in with "Pathetic". Stupid is fair comment, in itself at least. "Pathetic" is personalising it in a way that doesn't even make sense.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:27 (eighteen years ago)

Shilpa tipped it down the toilet because Dirk said "tip it down the toilet".

Well then he's an idiot as well.

Part of the reason the other three didn't do anything is because they're incredibly lazy, and also they are now in the bullying cycle, but another part is that it doesn't matter what they say to Shilpa, she will not do what they say or ask. If they had told her not to tip it down the toilet, she would have done it anyway, only faster.

I am relieved that Germaine Greer can also see how annoying she is.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think I'd find her annoying too, by the way.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:31 (eighteen years ago)

germaine in guardian? link?

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

Further up the thread there. Ultimate Conclusion post.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:39 (eighteen years ago)

ta.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

I found that article somewhat annoying.

"She is an actress" is not the same as "she is well versed in manipulation by method of appearing victimised and unloved"

Yeah, in the way of 'concentrating on irrelevant details' or 'being removed from the concerns of the common man' and so on.

But that's just as true of anyone.

Jackiey was a case in point. She really liked and looked up to Shilpa (calling her 'princess' all that), but as soon as she got a hint that the princess did not want to be put on a pedestal, and misread that as dislike, the love turned to hate as strongly.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

I am biased, bcuz I just want to watch the Dirk/Shilpa flirting show. Dirk's speech pattern is enthralling to me, he could read the telephone directory and still make it sound funny/interesting.
And if he were to read it to Shilpa with a twinkle in his eye, even better.
He always sounds like he's about to laugh, but is unconciously too cool to actually let it out. And the pacing. He should read audiobooks for a living.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

What no one seems to have quite understood is that Shilpa is a very good actress. Everyone hates her because she wants them to. She also knows that if she infuriates people enough, their innate racism will spew forth.

Yes Germaine, it's those nasty Asians making everyone look racist.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

and that, yes!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

"Do they eat with their hands in India, or is it in China?"

I'd be astonished if any of those three had never been to any of: kebab shop, chippy, McDs, KFC, etc.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

In what way does "innate racism" equate "making everyone look racist"?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:59 (eighteen years ago)

Although there is some sympathy right now for Shilps right now, (see most of the front pages, only the Daily Mail had to put 'racist' in single quote marks), this whole "ah but she's an actress" will be used by every "I'm not a racist but" from now until we all forget about it and watch that 'two islands' reality show..

"wor, I'd like a a blonde girlfriend"
"year, we'd all like that yeah"

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 09:59 (eighteen years ago)

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/998622/2/istockphoto_998622_eating_pizza.jpg

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

this whole "ah but she's an actress" will be used by every "I'm not a racist but" from now until we all forget about it and watch that 'two islands' reality show..

I somehow doubt that Guardian article will be that significant.

I think it's fairly obvious that all three of them are too unbelievably stupid to even realise they're being racist. Because otherwise they'd be unable to realise that racist bullying on television = career killed stone dead in a second. And I don't think they're THAT thick.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

Too Stupid to realise they're not that thick? I'm lost now.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:04 (eighteen years ago)

germaine has an axe to grind with big brother, has done ever since she was on it (mostly justified).

hari kunzru's bit of the same article is what slashdot would call 'insightful'.

― My Koogy Weighs A Ton (koogs), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:04 (eighteen years ago)

I want pizza now.

Carry on, eggheads.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)

In what way does "innate racism" equate "making everyone look racist"?

It doesn't, when you select two words from an entire sentence, but "She also knows that if she infuriates people enough, their innate racism will spew forth." does. Greer is saying that Shilpa knows there is innate racism there and is deliberately bringing it to the fore. When your innate racism comes to the fore that makes you appear racist. Greer is intimating that Shilpa is "asking for it" in order to gain victim points.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)

"pick it out with your teeth."
fucking hell.
-- acrobat (kowalski9...) (webmail), Yesterday 9:33 PM. (later) (link)

Quite, and the reaction to Shilpa's comeback was received with "ooh, she was nasty to you there, did you see?"

Jack (on the shopping task) "I'm keeping out of it" NO SHIT SHERLOCK!!!

Why are the press concentrating on the '3 witches' and nothing on the "I'll say paki if I want to" Jack?

COME ON ANNOUNCE THE NOMS!! THEN WE'LL SEE ACTION!!!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:07 (eighteen years ago)

Quite, and the reaction to Shilpa's comeback was received with "ooh, she was nasty to you there, did you see?"

Yeah, that gave me ultimate playground flashbacks. What the FUCK.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:08 (eighteen years ago)

Onimo - in that case, yes I agree with you.

But it's a funny old world, to be sure. You can call her a "dog". Sexism is fine. What you mustn't do is call her a "Paki". As if to be Pakistani was to be worse than being a dog. Our very tenderness on this issue is the flip side of racism, and still part of the same coin. If you call me an Aussie you don't insult me because Aussieness is OK. Pakiness is evidently not OK.

This is an astonishingly confused argument.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

Talk show feminist knocks out any old crap to get her commission: story at 10.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

Judge: Don't say 'Paki', call him a fat bastard

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

Channel 4 has said it will not tolerate any racist abuse on Celebrity Big Brother and confirmed that Jack Tweed called fellow housemate Shilpa Shetty a "cunt", not a "Paki".

Just thought I'd restate that one.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

lol at daily star reporting that tonight's potential replacement housemates may include JA RULE

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:16 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe he could restore racial harmony to the house with a quick blast of "FOR ALL MAH PEOPLE WHO BE LIVIN' IT UP"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:16 (eighteen years ago)

Oh go on!

I don't even like his music and would hate a Ja Rule revival.

But let it be so!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

I'd be astonished if any of those three had never been to any of: kebab shop, chippy, McDs, KFC, etc.

The Asian DJ that was on BBBM last night made this exact point. And Russell B and Rob Deering were both pretty clear about how obvious it was Jade's 'dream' was made up, although it's been made worse by Jade's admission she's struggling to contain physical violence against Shilpa.

Most of all though, I was upset BBBM didn't use my title for the 'work of art' of "Duck Washing A Hat".

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

The Indian government is "looking into all the aspects" of Shilpa's experience in the Big Brother house.

"We have been apprised of the matter," the country's minister of state for external affairs Anand Sharma told The Times of India today. "The world knows that India has throughout firmly rejected all forms of discrimination and racism."

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, that dream seemed true enough in that That is how she seems to perceive the situation. "If I retaliate, I will be PERSECUTED and IN TROUBLE even though Dream Shilpa STARTED IT"...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:23 (eighteen years ago)

So, can we all now agree that Jade is a cunt? Because there was a lot of wavering and rose-tinted spectacle wearing going on at the start of the series.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:24 (eighteen years ago)

I have never wavered.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:25 (eighteen years ago)

Betting Odds Latest:

Shilpa Shetty 5/4
Cleo Rocos 11/4
Dirk Benedict 5/1
Ian "H" Watkins 9/1
Jade Goody 10/1
Jermaine Jackson 10/1
Jo O'Meara 25/1
Danielle Lloyd 66/1
Jack Tweedy 66/1

I refuse to believe that if they ran this show in 66 parallel universes, Jack Tweed would win one of them.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

Jermaine Jackson: less popular than racism.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

As pointed out on DS, Jo has started looking like Christine Hamilton.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

Jo looks more like a school dinner lady every day.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:29 (eighteen years ago)

In Sillybetland (OK, Betfair)

Donny Tourette 113/1
Leo Sayer 902/1
Jackie Goody 474/1
Carole Malone 949/1

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

wait a minute, Jade is blaming Shilpa because of a dream she had?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

wait a minute, you're SURPRISED?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

also, Jade is blaming Shilpa because of a dream she didn't have

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

Jade: "Ere, Shilpa, this'll make you larf, I ad a dream last night..."

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

in lots of the commentary there's a barely disguised glee that they're allowed to hurl venom at "chavs" in the name of standing up against racism - though to be honest this doesn't concern me as much as it should

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

also i assume ratings have gone up since t'other night? ROLL UP ROLL UP TO WATCH THE RACISM

(nb i keep forgetting when it's on so i haven't watched since the opening night)

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

Did we all know about the changes to Danielle's MySpace page? It now has stuff about how she's not racist, no way, because she sometimes eats jerk chicken and has a Caribbean friend. May well have been done by the friend who has been stading up for her in the media.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

My PA is updating my site for me whilst I am locked up in the House

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

I watched a bit of last night's, the first time since Jade came in, so I guess I'm guilty of watching The Racism Circus. Saw Danielle & Jo being bitches to Shilpa in the bathroom - "hurry up in the shower" after she'd been in there about 30 seconds, then passing her the towel off the floor when she asked for a towel.

They clearly have no idea they could be perceived as racist bullies - Jo is obviously thinking about outside because she was worrying about BB showing her having a panic attack on telly.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't seen Jade say anything that could be construed as racist, though I have missed a few episodes. You might argue that her "you're no different from any of the rest of us, you're not a big star here" tirade has its roots in an unwillingness to accept the Indian star system as worthy of the same respect as the West's, but that's just supposition. I think it's reasonably likely that if it was Angeline Jolie in there rather than Shilpa Shetty, Jade would act just the same way. I'm not so sure Jo, Jack and Danielle would though.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

Angelina, rather. See - names are hard!

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

Jade is the leader. Maybe if it was jolie, she'd be the leader and Jo/Dan would follow her... But that's more a reflection on Angelina and how I reckon she wouldn't play a victim in this situation oh ho ho no.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

Whether her standing as a celebrity is genuine or not, Jade is certain that Shilpa's personality is anything but the real thing. "Because I'm so not fake and genuinely real, I can see it," she said. "Other than my boobs, there is nothing about me that is fake. I am straight down the line."

"You're fucking bang on," agreed Jo, "and I'm the fairest person in the world."

Jade hasn't heard about her liposuction going public then :)

(http://bigbrother.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds11168.html)

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

Greer: You can call her a "dog". Sexism is fine. What you mustn't do is call her a "Paki". As if to be Pakistani was to be worse than being a dog. Our very tenderness on this issue is the flip side of racism, and still part of the same coin. If you call me an Aussie you don't insult me because Aussieness is OK. Pakiness is evidently not OK.

Oh, ffs. The word "Paki" has one connotation in the UK and one only. To compare its use with the word "Aussie" is disingenuous to put it mildly.

― Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

is germaine fucking thick? shilpa had hair bleaching cream on her face the other day, not skin lightner.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

It's weird, because you'd normally think that Australians would be quite au fait with race relations issues.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

Being a bunch of racist bastards themselves you mean?

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

Not all Australians are racist, just all the ones I've met.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

And I, for one, throw unwanted soup down the toilet. It's too mushy for the sink and too sloppy for the bin. I would pick any bones and big bits out first though. But if I had a Greek chorus of harpies critisising my every move I might forget to.

Lolled last night at Jo, lying back on the seat after the shopping list debacle: "well, I did my best".
JO DID HER BEST! Which must have been a relief to everyone concerned.

― DavidM* (unreal), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

"You can call her a "dog". Sexism is fine. What you mustn't do is call her a "Paki". As if to be Pakistani was to be worse than being a dog. Our very tenderness on this issue is the flip side of racism, and still part of the same coin. If you call me an Aussie you don't insult me because Aussieness is OK. Pakiness is evidently not OK."

i cannot believe germaine greer wrote this. she really should know better. many of her other points about shilpa are quite reasonable (except for shilpa somehow wanting to lure the racial abuse out of the other contestants which makes it seem like she deserves racial insults) but fucking hell. and in the guardian as well. and why does the asian writer get half the space as greer does?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

What? That was from the GG piece? I assumed it was from some idiot on a messageboard. I am stunned.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

But if I had a Greek chorus of harpies critisising my every move I might forget to.

Greek Chorus? wft??

(There was a mention of a Greek person.. Is Cleo descended thus?)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

alba, no, thats from the main piece. im def writing a letter of complaint. shocking.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

also, one time many years ago..

(after various stupid comments from first person)

aussieperson: "Am I the most racist person you've ever met?"
Me: "Hah! I wish!"

(actually, she may have been (at that point), I just didn't want to give her the satisfaction)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

PEDANTWATCH:

er it's not a "Greek chorus of harpies" DavidM -- the Greek Chorus is a narrative device which supplies the audience PoV; if yr not onside w.the harpies they can be a chorus but not a Greek Chorus

(Russell B's programme is probably closer in its role to the Greek Chorus)

END PEDANTWATCH

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

Every so often I hear someone blithely claim that Paki can't be an offensive term because it comes from the word Pakistan but you'd expect Germaine sodding Greer to understand how language works and how the offensiveness of language is defined by its usage, not by its etymology. And having lived in this country for some time now, to have noticed that Paki is not a neutral term. Jesus.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

You know that "person with a permanent sarcastic tone of voice"..?

That's her writing, that is...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

"There was a young girl from Brazil, who was spotty and horribly ill..." Cleo started.
Danielle: "She went to the loo..."
"And my did she poo..." Jade said, "And put it under the grill." Hmm.
As each limerick came to a natural end, another one was started and the more they drank, the more inappropriate their rhymes became.
"There was a young man from Kentucky," Jo began.
"Who really liked to..." Ahem, yes thank you Jade!
"He used to fly around the room," Jack carried on.
"On the back of a broom," Cleo added.
"And fart to give it power," Danielle threw in.
"Erm, I don't think you get the gist of it," Cleo said tactfully.
"I'm thick," Danielle announced, to which Cleo quickly replied: "You're not thick!"

You just can't make up rhymes Danielle, that's all!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:54 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not really sure why Cleo insists on being nice to them either, even H has given up at this stage.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not really sure why Cleo insists on being nice to them either, even H has given up at this stage.

She doesn't want to be nominated. She's being extremely manipulative. She even said to Jack that she loved him after he spewed forth yet more barely articulate bile re Shilpa on the live feed last night.

Horrible woman.

― Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

Did she? How could anyone love him? He's not even good enough for Jade. Sigh. Is no-one nice?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

er alba that's not what GG's arguing -- she's arguing from the fact that "paki" IS considered more offensive than "dog" to a conclusion* abt the relative importance to us of feminism and racism: ie contrasting the absolutes of ought-to-be-offensive given apparent meaning with the social reality of what offends

*(i'm not defending her conclusion here)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

(mark s has film review to finish urgently by afternoon so naturally is not simply reading an ile BB thread, but contributing to arguments abt minute points of no consequence SIGH)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

Ha! I have 95 abstracts to write by Friday. I'm not even in the same room as them.

Sigh.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

IMO dog isnt on the same scale in terms of sexism as paki is in racist terms. would she be a bit more bothered if they were being sexist to shilpa as well?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm... I'm not sure. She says "If you call me an Aussie you don't insult me because Aussieness is OK. Pakiness is evidently not OK". That sounds to me like she's saying the only reason "Paki" is deemed offensive is that we all think being a "Paki" is rubbish.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I don't know. I am reading an except of something she wrote in between doing work things and mark s is usually right, so I will drop if till I can look at it properly.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

dog isnt on the same scale in terms of sexism as paki is in racist terms

that's what GG's saying too -- she's asking "oughtn't it to be, tho, and doesn't it prove we are ALL sexists that it isn't?"

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

No one has mentioned this yet I think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NlaOlwqJ78

Jade is really annoying me now. I've forgotten how much she talks.

― jellybean (jellybean), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think GG's argument is well expressed or well made btw

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

having watched very little indeed of all this, i still retain a kind of kneejerk pro-jade instinct

i think of this as: CAPTAIN-SAVE-A-JADE

(ps i only made this post to put the SEKRIT SHAKESPEARIAN JOKE on record)

(pps which only amuses me probbly)

(ppps back to my review now FOR REALZ)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

having watched very little indeed of all this, i still retain a kind of kneejerk pro-jade instinct

I had this too, Mark, but I've lost it. She's vile. Truly vile.

― Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

Bookmaker William Hill has cut the odds of Celebrity Big Brother not lasting its scheduled run from 20/1 to 5/2 as pressure builds on the programme.

William Hill's win odds are a bit strange, they aren't giving prices for Jade or Jack.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

But the reason Jade was so popular the first time was partly because she was the victim of the most astonishing bullying outside the house (and in it as well IIRC) and there was both a media and a voter's backlash against it. This is why we've had the Cult of Jade* for the last four years, because the media didn't know how to deal with her and when they worked out how to they realised how quite what they had.

Nu-Jade appeared to be so much more media savvy when she went in but evidently without an agent in there to tell her what to do it's showing she really isn't.

*I'm pretty sure RacistJade has put an end to this but you never can tell.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

Jade has the same agent as Russell Brand, John... Noel? Noele? Nowell? Something like that.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

In other words, Jade's ignorance and total unworldliness was sort of endearing the first time round. Now she's been told she's wonderful for four years that's all but evaporated.

(It's possible I may be misremembering BB3 here)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

she thinks she's the 25th most influential person in the world

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

wasn't she really horrible to people though first time round? then the papers called her a pig and stuff. she was the year kate lawler won wasn't she? i only really remember this bit where she had a veruca.

― acrobat (elwisty), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

Jade was the only one to go and try to thrash out her difficulties with Shilpa rather than just sit and bitch about her in secret. I clearly need to watch the weekend's episodes because the last two nights she just hasn't been the bullying gangleader that everyone says she is, let alone a racist.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah - she was a major part of a bullying campaign against Sophie IIRC.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

The bits of the show I've seen have been Jo & Danielle vs Shilpa more than Jade, so I agree she's not the gangleader. I didn't think Jo was too bad at the beginning of the show, I hate her now!

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

Remain to be convinced that the GBP are bothered enough about racism to seriously effect Jade's earning power

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

if CBB has taught us anything it's that there's no such thing as being media-savvy 24-7: the two GGs really ARE media-savvy (or the term means nothing) and CBB took them down royally

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

The two GGSs? Gary Glitter? Graeme Garden?

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

This is why we've had the Cult of Jade* for the last four years

i can't remember much bullying of jade IN the house but i've always thought that jade's subsequent media-assisted success was partly media guilt at how shabbily they'd treated her. like mark s i've always been kneejerk pro-jade, i haven't seen any of these episodes but that is evaporating now.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

Jade has the same agent as Russell Brand

really? this may explain further why Brand was being a little too defensive of her on CBBBM last night (plus she was on his show the other week).

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

greer and galloway -- i didn't bother watchin this one from the start bcz green gartside and gary giddins had clearly said no so they went with jermaine jackson instead

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

Rob Deering on CBBBM reminded me a little of Tim Popkins.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

Gary Glitter is apparently to take Maurice Chevalier's role in a new GG-studded production of Gigi. They're pulling the song "Thank Heavens For Little Girls" though.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:49 (eighteen years ago)

XXPOST Greer Garson was on BB?

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:49 (eighteen years ago)

No, you're thinking of Greta Garbo. Her "I want to be alone" diary room monopolisation was legendary.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

Word Puzzle: "Germaine Greer" to "Green Gartside" in 10 moves!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

ANIMAL CROSSING!!!!11

er, i mean, mornington crescent.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

that germaine greer article is absolute jism.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

Giuseppe Garibaldi wrote a much saner piece in La Stampa.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

Well she is a seminal writer, thangyewverrmuch ladeezngennilman youvebeena wunnerfil audience (xpost)

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

gism (do keep up)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

The BBC's current lead story is massed street protests in India over this? Holy fuck...

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

An effigy of Jade Goody? Can you imagine such a thing?!?!?

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

If all this leads to thermonuclear war I'm going to be really pissed off with the Endemol producers.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

all those foax who demanded every newspaper run the danish muhammed cartoons in the name of freedom-of-speech will now be demanding the same newspapers employ jade as op ed columnist! her agent is a geeenius

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

Don't they know he didn't actually call her a Paki, he called her a Pakiey

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

Danielle gives Shilpa a big hug and apologises to her... about 20 minutes before nominations.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

Please welcome our surprise new Celebrity Big Brother resident - JANET STREET-PORTER!!*

*pending police inquiries

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Nuclear Holocaust in...

i can see the Heat covers thou:

"I am NOT a Racist... but Shilpa is a b*tch!"

― acrobat (elwisty), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

The BBC's current lead story is massed street protests in India over this? Holy fuck...
-- Dom Passantino (juror...) (webmail), January 17th, 2007 1:08 PM. (Dom Passantino) (later) (link)
An effigy of Jade Goody? Can you imagine such a thing?!?!?

-- Tom D. (tom_donnell...) (webmail), January 17th, 2007 1:09 PM. (Dada) (later) (link)

To think people scoffed at her "20th most influential person in the world" claims.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

Cheers to Carphone Warehouse who have issued a statement reassuring us that "We are against racism"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

It's the Carphone WARHOUSE!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

im surprised germaine isnt praising shilpa for her wiliness in exposing JJD for what they are. but then shes just invited this all on herself hasnt she.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

Who, Germs?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Meanwhile, Pink has backtracked on her call to ban Australia.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

xpost, no, shilpa (according to germaine). does anyone know the email address to send feedback/complaints to the guardian about that piece?

i think im going to stop watching CBB now, its too frustrating.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

letters@guardian.co.uk if it's for publication
reader@guardian.co.uk if it's to complain to the reader's editor
and, I suppose alan.rusbridger@guardian.co.uk if you want to take it to the top

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

thanks

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

greer never properly confronted the implications of her own bad time and failure in the house -- she doesn't have a good perspective on what happened, or on her own position as bolshy alpha female with considerable cultural power (that she rarely takes responsibility for)

i think there is the germ of a real argument buried somewhere in her piece but as you say, she's all over the place on it

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

There's a germ of a germane argument in Germaine's piece

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=28712 - Post 20 here mentions Alex and others falling out with Jade for repeatedly saying "paki" in BB3.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

i like Greer and was BITTERLY disappointed by her CBB exit fiasco last year.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

i am bitterly disappointed by her guardian article. good on you, titchyschneider.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

From usually reliable DS poster:

tonight, three people were supposed to be going into the house. That's been abandoned due to this 'race row' fiasco.
There may now be more than one person evicted on Friday night.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

News Stories on DS:

14:27 Gordon Brown comments on controversy
14:19 Street protest in India over Big Brother
14:04 Bollywood director criticises Big Brother
12:25 Dirk suggests name change for show
11:12 Friend: Danielle "led astray" by Jade, Jo
11:08 Carole: Situation is "bullying on a grand scale"
10:37 Celebrity Big Brother complaints top 13,000
10:21 Indian government "apprised" of Shilpa situation
09:58 Ian not ruling out a Steps reunion
09:30 Police investigating threats against housemates
09:26 Carphone Warehouse "reviewing" sponsorship
09:19 Big Brother early day motion tabled

(just for the story at 09:58 in relevance)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

Ratings up from 3.5m on Monday to 4.5m yesterday so obviously from C4's perspective it has all worked.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

14:27 Gordon Brown comments on controversy

Blah blah blah proud to be British blah blah the Union must be preserved blah blah blah Village Green Preservation Society blah blah blah There'll Always Be an England blah blah God Bless Queen Victoria blah blah blah Fuck the Pope

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

JADE has told Big Brother that her boyfriend Jack is fed up with Shilpa.
Speaking on behalf of her boyfriend, as she often seems to, Jade took to the Diary Room to blast the Bollywood beauty.
“Shilpa's getting on Jack's nerves,” said Jade.

“She's not his cup of tea. She keeps whispering to Jermaine and it's been doing his head in. He thinks it's rude,” she added.

Jade: get one self-awareness
Jack: get one voice

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, it's never polite to *whisper* when you're talking shit about people.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

NOMINATIONS!!!

EVERYONE IS UP!!!

THREE TO GO ON FRIDAY!!!

(probably)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

BREAKING NEWS:

BRADLEY S CLUB REPORTED "DISAPPOINTED" IN JO

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

heh, but if it was... (xpost to myself)

Think about the phone-in revenue Channel 4/Endomel!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

(just for the story at 09:58 in relevance)

hehe i was already rofling at that before i saw this end comment

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

We are still awaiting an official statement from Rachel Stevens.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

I think it'll be Jade vs Danielle vs Shilpa with two evictions resulting in Jo saying "oh fuck!"

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

Hang on, let's count 'em...

Jade: Shilpa, Dirk
Dani: Shilpa, Dirk
Jack: Shilpa, Cleo (because he's bonkers)
Cleo: Jade, Jo
Dirk: Jo, Jade
Jo: Shilpa, Dirk
Jermaine: Jade, Danielle
Ian: Danielle, Jade

Think that's it.
Jade: 4, Shilpa: 4, Dirk: 3

Bye Jade, I reckons at the very least.

Leaving Jack looking really stupid.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

Will anyone notice the difference?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

Bye Shilpa 'cos most of the CBB audience will agree with Jade/Jo/Danielle.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

I thought that too, but I reckon the controversy might bring in some new voters.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

You know how they don't tend to have broadly Geordie accents on anymore, as they are usually block-voted by the good old NE?

My tenner on Shilpa back in the day (see wayy above) was based on there being a block-voting asian uptake in much the same way. Well now there's been an eruption!!!

Bear in mind when Nikki went by a massive landslide (the great BP vote) and was roundly cheered by the crowd (the BB hardcore), the vote was still right.

xpost exactly.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

"I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room at 10 Downing Street. This morning the British Ambassador in Delhi handed the Indian Government an official note stating that unless we heard from them by eleven o'clock, that they were prepared at once to withdraw Shilpa Shetty from Celebrity Big Brother, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and consequently this county is at war with India."

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

I swear Bez won beciase of the north west block and the ageing raver block.

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

That's one huge block!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

Well, it was either that or the popularity of Shameless with a channel 4 audience.

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

(don't think it was on then)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

Of course the ratings might just have gone up because Soapstar Superstar is finished now.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

Bye Shilpa 'cos most of the CBB audience will agree with Jade/Jo/Danielle.

The DS forums are a reasonable guide and they are almost unanimously anti-JJD.

― Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

Separated at birth: Jack / Captain Black.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

One's an inanimate dummy and one starred in a Gerry Anderson show in the 60s

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think the DS forums are very representative of the viewing public, actually. They have their own hivemind.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

The Daily Mail block vote, the Daily Star block vote, the Sun block vote, the TalkSport vote...isn't democracy a lovely, overrated thing?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

Hang on, let's count 'em...
Jade: Shilpa, Dirk
Dani: Shilpa, Dirk
Jack: Shilpa, Cleo (because he's bonkers)
Cleo: Jade, Jo
Dirk: Jo, Jade
Jo: Shilpa, Dirk
Jermaine: Jade, Danielle
Ian: Danielle, Jade
Think that's it.
Jade: 4, Shilpa: 4, Dirk: 3
Bye Jade, I reckons at the very least.

Leaving Jack looking really stupid.

Hang on, you didn't give Shilpa a nomination. RACIST!
Shilpa: Jade, Danielle

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

Ach, I always manage to miss someone! (see years past, actually don't)

Jade: 5, Shilpa: 4, Dirk: 3, Danielle: 3

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Mind you, if Shilpa doesn't nominate Jack (instead of Danielle) for his "teeth" comment, I'd be surprised! (She seems to have 'niced' D into touch)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

Either ways round, Jade goes and Jack is now a spare prick end in all senses of the word.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

SPARE PRICK

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

Cleo will nominate Shilpa.

― Venga (Venga), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

William Hill's win odds are a bit strange, they aren't giving prices for Jade or Jack.

Is it possible that Jade is the "BB mole" that someone always speculates about and is therefore ineligible to win it.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

The Daily Mail block vote, the Daily Star block vote, the Sun block vote,

I read this as "black vote".

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

I get the impression that all the bullying/racism brou-ha-ha will swing voters into Shilpa's favour, because it's not as though the GBP are generally racist, it is just that a lot of them are ignorant. If they have it pointed out to them, maybe it will make a difference.

I love wishful thiking.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

I think you're OTM!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

Anand Sharma, India's junior minister for external affairs, told journalists in New Delhi today that the Government would "take appropriate measures" once it found out more details about the show.

I wonder what appropriate measures he has in mind... sending the troops in to rescue her? Imposing sanctions on the UK?

― David V (grammy), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

Voting a lot on the phones?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

and consequently this county is at war with India

Which county? I hope it's Gloucestershire.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

Essex more than likely

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

Load of cash going on Jade eviction.

― onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

I just thought...about actually voting...

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Lummee, I might yet get my wish to see Jack left behind and stranded without Jade! It'll be like Roger de Courcey being voted out leaving behind Nookie Bear.

― DavidM* (unreal), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Voting a lot on the phones?
-- mark grout

From call centres, thereby getting British companies to pay for it. It woudl be great!

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

"My name is Raje... Roger"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

"Hi, someone hit my car..."
"Vote Jade out and I'll get it sorted"

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

Voting a lot on the phones?

That would be too wimpy for a government.

― David V (grammy), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

Jade 1/5 to be the next evictee, without them even being publically declared. Danielle at 12s, Jo at 33/1. Back on the courses they call this one a "lock".

Shilpa now 8/5 to win.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

Shilpa seemed to set herself up for the attack there, don't get it.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

but still...

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

I'm only watching this tonight because of the uproar, I want to turn it over but I can't....

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

I love the whole 'Shilpa representing India, Jade representing the UK' thing we seem to be getting into.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

consider that knee-jerk sympathy for jade evaporated

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

what's happenin'? (am at work)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

either it's:

a) too dull to report, or

b) you're all too busy boggling at it to post.

i'm assuming a). and taking a 10-minute-early cut, hurrah.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

vile people on tv, that's what's heppenin'.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

Cleo is being either very diplomatic, or a pussy

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

jade is digusting

jo & danielle are horrible

jack is

they are all, also, v stupid

big brother!!

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:56 (eighteen years ago)

i think shilpa was being stupid with them this time but oh well

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

ha ha ha, Danielle getting it from BB now over "I think she should fuck off back home"

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

i think a penny may have just dropped for danielle

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

Ha! "I didn't mean she should go hom go home, I meant she should go home but not home home"

Fucking berk.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

the penny being the sound of all those other pennies dropping down the drain

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

sorry ma'am, a bigger girl made me...

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

also steve, shilpa wasn't being stupid, she could barely get a word in throughout jade's COMPLETELY MENTAL and also COMPLETELY AWFUL tirade

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

I'm going to attempt BBBM for the first time.

I'm a Russell Brand virgin, I find him loathsome and clatty without ever having watched a programme of his.

I will try to enter this with an open mind.

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

haha ditto to rumpie

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

between this and the assorted poppage threads i am running out of excuses as to the ways i am choosing to spend my time this evening

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

also steve, shilpa wasn't being stupid, she could barely get a word in throughout jade's COMPLETELY MENTAL and also COMPLETELY AWFUL tirade

it seemed stupid to complain that stock cubes were all she ordered only to then retract this and admit she ordered or ate other food. i just didn't understand her argument so it seemed needless and almost deliberate provocation.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

jade looked completely insane & ugly

shilpa was stupid to not realise what would happen and to not stay in the bedroom

really have thought that danielle is just stupid and weak and unthinkingly joining in and saying shit. which she just made it look more like. but have no confidence that she won't forget and stay stupid

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

Wow. What exhausting, uncomfortable entertainment.

Shilpa was stupid for not walking away from the argument earlier, but she was very angry. And however stupid she was being momentarily, it wasn't one percent as stupid as Jade is the whole time.

xpost - the argument wasn't actually ABOUT the stock cubes.

― chap (chap), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

it seemed stupid to complain that stock cubes were all she ordered only to then retract this and admit she ordered or ate other food

it seemed stupid that, hours after shilpa had retracted this in-the-moment "claim", jade was still calling her a liar, because of it

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

jade just went on and on and on and would not stop and every second word was "fucking" and it was seriously vile

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, I didn't even watch Jade live on her season of Big Brother but srsly PEOPLE ARE STILL BOGGLING AT HER VILENES???

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

i think when she said the only thing i ordered it was more a turn of phrase than anything specific.

― acrobat (elwisty), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

Shilpa's "Is this what the UK is like now?" was quite chilling, and possibly the most pertinent question ever asked by a BB contestant.

― chap (chap), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

well that was as I expected

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

i think when she said the only thing i ordered it was more a turn of phrase than anything specific.

being the ONLY thing or ALL she ordered makes it seem very specific. i'm just puzzled by it more than anything.

obv. it's no excuse for Jade's revolting tirade.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

ok an exaggeration rather than a turn of phrase but not a lie

― acrobat (elwisty), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

Why the hell would they need three cubes anyway? One is usually sufficient, but if it was THAT bland, certainly no more than two would be necessary.

I love how it all went down. Shilpa walking into a room while the triumvirate of horrid lounged about all 'yeah, we used three, what the fuck you gonna do about it?'

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:02 (eighteen years ago)

not four?

or two

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:05 (eighteen years ago)

they're talking about the argle-bargle on Newsnight now

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:06 (eighteen years ago)

This is being reported on CNN.com now. This is the biggest story from reality tv ever, right?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

I think they should send Gordon Ramsay into the house to sort all these cooking fiascos out.

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

Rick Stein could go in, but he's probably in mourning for his dog : (

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

I actually can't decide which one of Jack, Jade, Danielle and Jo I hate most. I think if you put Jade's voice together with Jo's face, Danielle's wilful ignorance, and Jack's natural stupidity, you could make quite a monster.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

If this thread from no less than The Sun's forums is anything to go by, Jade is dead meat.

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

hooo. mrs fiendish taped it, so i'm watching it now. just past the big fight. wow. i really don't think i can watch any more, simply because it's so utterly depressing :/

jo and danielle are vile, snickering harpies; jade is just a monstrous ball of hatefulness and shit. what a desperately horrible, fucked-up, desperate human being.

saddening, miserable stuff.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

What exactly is Jade's fucking problem? I've never seen anyone so angry over nothing. It's not like they've been in there for weeks and weeks even. This sort of shite is why I gave up watching the summer show.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)

shilpa's "what are you famous for... this" line took her out thou. after that she looked like she was crying a bit.

― acrobat (elwisty), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

big brother made her; celebrity big brother may have destroyed her.

best salutary tale ever.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

When it comes to Jade, I think tonight made it clear, if it wasn't before, that the whole racism thing is a red herring. Jermaine basically got it spot on in the diary room. It is all about her insecurities and issues with class, which have found a focus in Shilpa. Excuse the amateur BB psychologist hour, but I think a lot of it revolves around her mum and her upbringing, so naturally it's all flared up since Jackiey was evicted by BB in such an undignified way, which Jade took as demonstrating contempt for her and her family.

If you're sitting there feeling like the world is looking down on you, then you're not going to take it well when someone as poised as Shilpa is gliding around, looking bemused at your uncouthness. Then when an argument kicks off, if the other person is letting you scream and shout and has that "I'm just going to let this wash over me, I'm above being engaged in this level of argument" stance, then of course that is going to escalate your anger significantly. Then when the person finally does fight back and hits such raw nerves as your way of speaking and your station as a celebrity, well, yikes.

Jade is not stupid. In the diary room earlier on, she was perceptive enough to realise that cultural differences in speech and gestural styles lay beind some of the problems she and Shilpa had with each other, her abrupt manner born of her "common" upbringing being interpreted as aggressive by Shilpa. But in the end, the resentment and anger got the better of her.

I still have some sympathy with Jade, despite all the obnoxiousness of her performance tonight. She strikes me as someone who has major issues to deal with, and that for a long time in the house, she was really struggling to do the right thing. Even in the aftermath of the argument, however misguided she was, you could see she was going through it all in her head, trying to be sure that she was justified. It wasn't about malice, or about picking on a weak target (in her head, Shilpa has all the power, she has everything and was born with it) which is why I think it's unhelpful to call it bullying.

The other two, meanwhile (Jo and Danielle, especially the latter, again) just seemed to be treating it as a joke. Even Jade broke ranks with them to say "I'm not laughing". They don't seem to care about doing the right thing, just about getting one over on Shilpa. That to me is more unforgivable. Danielle is a silly little girl who doesn't seem to bother to have questioned the casual racism she has picked up from somewhere. BB belatedly challenging her in the diary room was a treat.

My heart was really racing at some parts of today's show. It was awful to watch. At one point I felt like throwing the towel in and finally joining those who say it's worthless car crash TV. But in the end, I still think it throws certain things about people and this country into a fascinating light. I've certainly thought a lot more about what it means to be racist in recent days.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

It wasn't about malice, or about picking on a weak target (in her head, Shilpa has all the power, she has everything and was born with it) which is why I think it's unhelpful to call it bullying.

I don't buy that at all.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

But in the end, the resentment and anger got the better of her.

To understate wildly.

Yu'd have to be the Buddha of Infinite Compassion to still have some sympathy for Jade.

The way she kept going on and on in the argument, and escalating her attacks indicates to me that it was about malice.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

It is all about her insecurities and issues with class, which have found a focus in Shilpa. Excuse the amateur BB psychologist hour, but I think a lot of it revolves around her mum and her upbringing, so naturally it's all flared up since Jackiey was evicted by BB in such an undignified way, which Jade took as demonstrating contempt for her and her family.

Well observed Alba. I'd go with it. I've been yo-yoing on the whole racism thing ever since I finally started watching the show. But there's still a cultural prejudice resonating from all three of them.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:12 (eighteen years ago)

Well once the red mist had descended, of course she was going to go and on. She'd let herself get wound up so much by Shilpa and her projected insecurities, that of course when she let loose she was going to spin out of control.

As for my point about Jade's perception of power, which you don't buy, at least twice in Jade's ranting, she identified herself with Shilpa's poorer fans in India, saying how indignant she felt at "Princess Shilpa" taking a pop-shot at the elocution of common people like her. I think it's very clear that she sees Shilpa as a mirror of the kind of hoity-toity figures who look down on Jade in this country.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

Post, Alba.

Goody doesn't like being upstaged and her outburst was a result of simply lacking the linguistic/intellectual tools to deal with someone like Shilpa. I do fear that Shilpa's skin colour/country of birth is a much bigger bugbear for Lloyd and O'Meara.

― Venga (Venga), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

i'm probably with alba on the motivations behind jade's dislike of shilpa, but i don't think it makes her bullying any less vile. more in agreement that jo and danielle's roles shouldn't be forgotten - snickering away behind their hands, too cowardly to even say anything to shilpa's face but immediately spewing even more appalling comments once she'd left. it was pretty clear that jade was seized with the red mist while the others were totally clear-headed and STILL thought what was going on was ok - shilpa even addressed jo directly at one point in disbelief that they were just remaining silent.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:20 (eighteen years ago)

Jade's perception of power was that she was feeling securely backed up by two mates to engage in a torrent of abuse. It wasn't about the stock cubes and it's not about "hoity toity figures".

As Jermaine observed, she's been spoiling for a fight.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:21 (eighteen years ago)

several xposts

nick, that's an interesting, incisive post and i agree with a lot of what you say. it's made me think a lot about racism and the perception thereof too: probably not in blinding new ways, but i think it's solidified certain things in my mind, and certainly made me aware of how easily people can slip into an almost subconscious racism once their own cultural security is threatened. it's a simple refuge for the intellectually stunted, and that, i think, is what we're seeing here. C4's copout statement this afternoon (ie there's been no "overt" racism) misses the point: most racism isn't overt.

It wasn't about malice, or about picking on a weak target (in her head, Shilpa has all the power, she has everything and was born with it) which is why I think it's unhelpful to call it bullying.

i disagree. isn't a lot of playground bullying motivated by jealousy on behalf of the bullies? i went to a "posh" school in a uniform: therefore i was perceived by the kids from the school down the road as a snob and a ponce. i was lucky and didn't suffer with it at all; friends who took different buses or lived in different areas weren't so fortunate. if someone's battering you at the bus stop every day for being "posh" or "up yourself", that's somehow not bullying? hmmm. it's the same here: shilpa can't so much as move without the arse triplets giving her grief.

and i think there was plenty of malice there. it might not have been purely malicious, but woah, malice was hugely present. jade has, i suppose, "anger issues" - her explosive fury and inability to let go of the subject are testament to that - and should seek to deal with them.

i guess you're a far nicer person than i am, nick, and you're willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. me: i think she's willfully ignorant and almost glorifies in her own stupidity and pettiness.

Jade is not stupid

er ... well, you know what i think.

as for danielle in the diary room: i'd love to think that a penny's finally dropping, but sadly i fear all she'll do is feel sorry for herself and think she's being hard done by. typical school-bully mentality: "it wasn't my fault".

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:25 (eighteen years ago)

which is why I think it's unhelpful to call it bullying.

This bit worries me Alba.

If it's bullying behaviour and crosses the line of acceptable behaviour, it's bullying. To go deeply into underlying motivations, insecurities and issues is to miss the point in a sense.

I don't know why I feel strongly, but I guess I've worked in too many office environments where bullying occurences have been avoided being tackled through infinite 'explanations' and blaming the victim.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:27 (eighteen years ago)

yeah when shilpa said to jo "jo, are you going to say anything/what's happening?" and jo just laughed at her and then said "well, you did say the stock cubes were the only thing you'd ordered..."

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:27 (eighteen years ago)

by the way: about this time last night - actually, no, it'd have been an hour or so earlier, at least - i flicked over to the live feed (sorry). jo and danielle were in bed; big brother then called danielle to the diary room. i wonder if this was to speak to her about the "go home" comment?

jo then got up and started talking to jade; the two of them seemed to be nervously laughing about something. jo said something about how she expected she'd be called to the diary room next, and jade kept saying things like: "nooo, you didn't ... nooooo, i can't believe it!" and sniggering as if it was all very funny. anyone shed any light?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)

Well, we live in hope.

I take your point about posh-school/rough kids bullying, but I don't think it's an analogy that quite stands up, because they're all still in the house together, where Shilpa is not a weak figure. She is a part of the gang of grown ups, who do most of the cooking and so on while the kids sit around farting and bitching on the sofa. She has as much status in that environment as Jade, if not more. It's not like a lonely bus stop.

But quite apart from all that, whether you call it bullying really comes down to Jade's psychology. It doesn't look to me like the psychology of a bully, which I think of as sadistically picking on a weak target for kicks, to impress friends, to make yourself feel better about yourself. I don't think bullies are as upset by their victims as Jade is upset by Shilpa. But I don't want to get too bogged down in arguing the point. What Shilpa has been subjected to is pretty vile, whatever you call it.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:39 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry - that "we live in hope" was in reply to Simon's last post but one.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:41 (eighteen years ago)

Lloyd kept her mouth conspicuously shut after being called to the diary room while Goody ranted for an hour solid with O'Meara backing her to the hilt.

― Venga (Venga), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:45 (eighteen years ago)

the main points jade seemed to re-iterate was that shilpa was a "liar" and a "phoney" oh yeh and the head arse stuff. but the idea of "realness" seemed to be very central to the train of her thought. it could have all been vindictive unthought out shit though.

― acrobat (elwisty), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:48 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Jade's whole targeting of Shilpa only makes sense in her head as long as she feels like she is, overall, the wronged party. That's why she keeps going on about Shilpa being a "phoney", because if Shilpa was genuinely upset rather than just crying for the cameras and sympathy, Jade knows she would be a bully, and she doesn't want to be that bad person. Thinking of her a phoney is her way of avoiding that conclusion. You seem to get this a lot in Big Brother, and on discussions of it, and it drives me a bit nuts.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

The theme that seems to run through schisms in all of the Big Brother series (both sleb and pleb versions) is that between those who view reserve and tact as a virtue and those who see it as a sign of a sneaky phoney.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 January 2007 00:58 (eighteen years ago)

I don't watch the show, but I just got BREAKING NEWS!!11! in my inbox from Holy Moly that a new person will be entering the house tomorrow. Their entire site is down right now naturally, so I can't read the details, but I'm sure it's all very exciting!

― musically (musically), Thursday, 18 January 2007 01:01 (eighteen years ago)

It would be funny if it was a policeman to arrest Danielle.

Anyway, it's late and I'm not sure my last post even made sense. Night, BB fans.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 January 2007 01:03 (eighteen years ago)

New Housemate!!!! Exclusive!!!

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News just in.... Darryn Lyons, the main guy from the papparazzi company Big Pictures, is going into the house tomorrow. Is this just a PR job by Big Brother to sort the racists out or will he seriously sort the racists out and tell them how it is?! I doubt he will be allowed, but mark my words, he's in tomorrow!!!

according to digispy fella

― acrobat (elwisty), Thursday, 18 January 2007 01:06 (eighteen years ago)

― friday on the porch (lfam), Thursday, 18 January 2007 06:07 (eighteen years ago)

It'll be interesting whether C4/Endemol do anything now, since they'd claimed they couldn't/wouldn't do anything until Shilpa complained but now she's talked to Cleo about how she thinks racism is behind this.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 18 January 2007 07:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'm going to row in behind Alba on the idea of it not being quite like normal bullying, in that I've never seen bullies get quite as worked up and angry about their targets as Jade is about Shilpa. She really, really dislikes her. It's the other two who are involved in bullying. I don't think they've got any particular bone to pick with Shilpa, they just like tormenting her. To me that's real bullying. I realise that the effect is the same.

I also agree that it's more class-based than race-based, but they're too thick to throw anything other than the obvious stones, and again, who cares what the motivation is, the effect is the same. I was surprised that Danielle was only taken up on the 'go home' comment, and not the 'she can't even speak English properly' comment.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 07:57 (eighteen years ago)

I don't understand this idea of 'normal bullying' and bullies not usually getting worked up and angry. Some bullies get irrationally psychopathic with rage at their victims.

It comes in many shapes and forms.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 18 January 2007 08:20 (eighteen years ago)

If anybody EVER rounded on me like Jade is rounding on Shilpa I'd go absolutely ape-shit.

There is nobody in my life (with the exception of my partner of course!) who would get away with shouting at me, just as I wouldn't ever shout at anybody else.

There is rarely any need for adults to behave this way towards each other, at least in my experience. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I just don't spend much time around fiery people......with the exception of ILX of course......

― Rumpsy Pumpsy (Rumpie), Thursday, 18 January 2007 08:37 (eighteen years ago)

I think they picked Danielle up on her 'worst' comment to make her think about her part in all this. Job was done.

I'm with Alba, with a side order of Grimly. (xpost and Rumpsie) I was going to say some but there's no need, it's been covered.

Darryn Lyons? The bloke with the comedy coloured hair? Oh and has he been locked away on Mars to avoid having any knowledge about "what kinda SHIT been goin down" (c) Bob Dylan.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 08:39 (eighteen years ago)

Darryn Lyons

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? Seriously this years CBB has been crap.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

Cleo is being either very diplomatic, or a pussy

cleo and h are really astonishingly spineless. fucking amoebae.

jermaine and shilpa seem to be the only ones emerging with dignity.

i wonder if this really will be the end of jade's celebrity career, and whether jo and danielle really will be untouchables when they come out. i would hope so.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:31 (eighteen years ago)

xpost He was on some 'paparazzi' documentary, which mostly involved rushing around Madonna, almost getting arrested, and then getting the shot 'accidentally' as she strolled by with her dogs on a jog.

If I recall correctly.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

Danielle may have just pulled off the "eeeh, I dinna know! Oh no, hope Teddy Sheringham's still me boyfriend" act...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

"i wonder if this really will be the end of jade's celebrity career"

I do hope so. I've always been troubled by the idea that you can become a millionaire in this country simply because you're thick as pigshit and proud of the fact. If nothing else it'll be amusing to see the look on her face when she leaves the house and gets roundly booed by her adoring public.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

er, jade's stupidity isn't really the issue here.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think that was 'why' she became t'mill. (xpost quite)

More to do with her not depending wholly on the 'celeb' appearance circuit and actually doing something more contstructive. (typo, heck I'll leave it)

But yes, her 'celeb' status is irevocably, um, revoked.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:41 (eighteen years ago)

As I said right at the start, there was no point in someone 'throwing their trophy in for a further shot at the same prize'

She could either win (become more popular), or lose (popularity drops).

Stakes way too high. potential for blowing it bigtime. So it goes.

(That's not win as in Win the Prize/last one in, etc, naturally)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:44 (eighteen years ago)

"jade's stupidity isn't really the issue here"

I think stupidity and racism go hand in hand.* And you pondered if this will be the end of her 'sleb career, to which I said I hope so. Simple, no?

*NOTE: I do not mean that stupid people are all racist, merely that racist people are all stupid.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:47 (eighteen years ago)

This all assumes that she'll get "roundly booed" when she leaves, as opposed to the likelier reality of being "roundly cheered."

On a GMTV poll this morning more callers thought Shilpa should go than Jade.

One must never underestimate either the stupidity or racism of the "great" British public.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

I think this is it for Jade, it's an absolutely enormous PR clanger if nothing else, just because I'm not sure how many magazines or TV channels will want to touch her.

That said this is a massive story now and people could be willing to pay quite a lot to hear what Jade has to say for herself, but they'll pay a lot more for Shilpa's side.

xposts I think Jade's stupidity is exactly the issue here because, if nothing else, she is revelling in this ignorance of India and Shilpa and Shilpa's career in an appeal to win an argument. She's directly appealing to a proportion of the viewing public she thinks will agree with her. It's David Pleat going "I don't even know where Mali is!" all over again.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

Are all racist people stupid, though? That's a very nice way of delineating it - "it's OK, they're stupid", but I doubt if it's true. And if it isn't true, and racist people can be intelligent, and even compassionate, then that's really, really fucking scary, because preumably "sense" cannot be talked into them, or they'd have already seen it, being intelligent.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:55 (eighteen years ago)

Marcello - I think if previous BB's have proved anything its that the voters hate gangs of bullying females more than pretty much anyone else. See also Grace.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

Is this really likely to spiral into a largey international diplomatic issue? Has it already? Jade outed as racist towards an Indian woman - nuclear clock gets shifted. ARE THE TWO CONNECTED? (I'm being an idiot, obviously, but you'd think this was the case looking at The Sun.)

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

Did the GMTV poll change? I saw it at about 7am, and it had 72% in favour of Jade being kicked out, and only 28% wanting Shilpa to be evicted.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

A very very famous and idolised Indian woman though.

Of course its not a major diplomatic incident, but I'm wondering what if anything this is doing to widespread popular opinion of British people in India.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking that if appearing in CBB is mostly about launching/resurrecting your career, then the person with the most successful tenure in the house is actually Donny.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

"Are all racist people stupid, though?"

In a way, yes. You could have a PhD in astrophysics, but if you think it's right to treat people like shit because they look different, then I'd say you're being stoopid.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

Enoch Powell. Say no more.

Ah well there you go (GMTV xpost)...I only saw the early bit (6:30-ish) before I had to go out and it was the other way round more or less.

The front of today's Mail asks why we are getting so worked up about alleged racism in view of all the other crises in the world at present.

The headline and byline take up the entirety of the front page.

Are Dacre's lot sincerely so lacking in self-awareness?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

Can anything stop Jade's stock going to 0? book sales must be evaporating - i can check that.

"Rick Stein could go in, but he's probably in mourning for his dog : ("

chalky dead! sya it ain't so!

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:04 (eighteen years ago)

I think there's also the issue of the cultural capital of Bollywood in this country - it's very popular in terms of bums in seats in cinemas, but the critical and academic stock given to it is incredibly low. I'm saying this from a professional POV given that my dayjob is about helping people study university film courses. I don't know of an academic film studies course in this country that has a dedicated Bollywood module. We have only two Bollywood films in our collection of something like 5,000 commercially-bought films, and I had to order them both.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

"On a GMTV poll this morning more callers thought Shilpa should go than Jade.

One must never underestimate either the stupidity or racism of the "great" British public"

well of GMTV viewer/callers in anyway

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

This all assumes that she'll get "roundly booed" when she leaves, as opposed to the likelier reality of being "roundly cheered."

I don't think so, we'll no doubt see.

On a GMTV poll this morning more callers thought Shilpa should go than Jade.

The one I saw on GMTV had Jade at 75% to go.

One must never underestimate either the stupidity or racism of the "great" British public.

One must never underest the stup or rac of some of the GBP, but also the ire raised by the viewing of stuprac by the GBP as a whole.

-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...) (webmail), Today 9:54 AM. (later) (link)

xpost blimey, type a longish message and get xposted about 10 messages.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

Ah well there you go (GMTV xpost)...I only saw the early bit (6:30-ish) before I had to go out and it was the other way round more or less.

people who wake up early OFFICIALLY more racist!

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:07 (eighteen years ago)

er, jade's stupidity isn't really the issue here.

It's absolutely the issue. Too stupid to accept the differences between herself and other people, too stupid to keep her mouth shut, too stupid to realise that she's got a lot more at stake in all this than Shilpa does. Shilpa was so right when she pointed out to Jade that BB is all she has. All of the consumers of the Jade product are watching this and seeing what a hateful bitch she is. Not so many of Shilpa's consumers. Still a significant number, I'd say, but not so many.

(Also, of course, she's not actually being hateful.)

I suppose the reason I'd differentiate between traditional and non-traditional bullying is that bullying is often a cycle that people get into for stupid reasons that can be broken with intervention. I don't think that's necessarily the case here.

A very very famous and idolised Indian woman though.

According to an Indian journalist who was on RTE radio this morning, she's not that famous in India. Yes, she has made a lot of films and people know who she is, but she is apparently very much B-list. I don't know, I'm only repeating what he said.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:07 (eighteen years ago)

chalky dead! sya it ain't so!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/6268025.stm

;_;

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:08 (eighteen years ago)

The front of today's Mail asks why we are getting so worked up about alleged racism in view of all the other crises in the world at present.

There is an awful lot of genuinely nasty shit happening elsewhere though - three nasty, silly girls being bitches, whatever it says about the UK as a whole, is pretty small beans compared to nuclear threat, increased American troops in Iraq, etcetera.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:09 (eighteen years ago)

Sky News says 5.7m people watched it last night, up from 3.7m on Monday.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:09 (eighteen years ago)

i just grokked the funny of worrying about a dog called chalky on a thread messed up with possible racist bullying.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

Can't they put MIA in? she's not famous enough.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:11 (eighteen years ago)

At this point, who cares?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:11 (eighteen years ago)

On this show, there is no not famous enough.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

well that's what i meant

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

Thing is, with the Mail you get the impression that they're just trying to cover up the likelihood that basically they agree with the views of Jade & Co...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, I understand now. She's fameless enough. Gotcha. xp

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

Yes I'll be sure to write into the mail to mention this next time their headline screams about a new stealth tax on company cars.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:16 (eighteen years ago)

Apparently C4 are going to try and draw a line under it all by putting Shilpa and Jade up for eviction this week and LETTING THE PUBLIC DECIDE.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

From the crass, pure entertainment POV, they'd have to keep Jade in...

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

it's a bit like Maxwell v Science again

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

From the crass, pure entertainment POV, they'd have to keep Jade in...

Entertainment for who? I am not entertained by her. Mind you, I don't vote.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:25 (eighteen years ago)

Me neither.

(does anyone from around here?)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)

I've not even watched it beyond the first half-hour when they all arrived. My opinions are founed almost solely on audioclips from FiveLive!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder if this really will be the end of jade's celebrity career, and whether jo and danielle really will be untouchables when they come out. i would hope so.

-- lex pretend (lexusjee...), January 18th, 2007.

haha interesting turn of phrase.

so far as i can tell, jo is the worst unmitigated racist there. i sort of agree with alba, but at the same time i never drank the jade kool-aid, she was a bully in the house iirc (toward kate and that other girl), and if i can't hate people for being unbelievably stupid, i don't have to like them either, and i don't see why she deserves the benefit of the doubt. btw i know nothing about shilpa's class background and whatnot. danielle is more of your unthinking ignorant knee-jerk racist type who might well realize she done wrong. no so with jo, i think.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:35 (eighteen years ago)

Don't know how she lasted all those years in the multiracial S Club 7.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

OK, how about kenophobic then? The problem's not that Shilpa's of another skin colour but rather from another country.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

Bradley was on GMTV, frowning. (I didn;t catch what he said, was busy with my trousers then)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, I think it goes:

RACIST - jo > > jade > > danielle - STUPID

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

racism was never just about skin colour. i don't get the 'it's not racism, it's a clash of cultures thing'. by routinely thinking indian things are inferior or disgusting, one culture is clashing with another... and demonstrating racial prejudice.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

RJG Missed Jack out of that. Like everyone is seeming to .

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

haha interesting turn of phrase.

someone got it!

RACIST - jo > > jade > > danielle - STUPID

would swap around jade and danielle. jade is more aggressive, more actively unpleasant to shilpa's face, the biggest bully of the three, but all the racial stuff seems to have been courtesy of jo and danielle.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

i keep forgetting jack exists.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

i'm fine with that tbh.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

re the earlier stupidity/racism thing - i'm not sure if i agree that all racists are automatically stupid, there are clearly different kinds of stupidity here. but jade's child-like ignorance of general knowledge, which she flaunted as more of a defense mechanism, is completely different to the stupidity which she’s using as a weapon to make life unpleasant for shilpa. whether you found it annoying or endearing, I don’t think it’d be too palatable to castigate her for the former – it’s snobbish, unsympathetic to her upbringing, and if anything the way she made herself a millionaire despite it is admirable. but the latter is out-and-out vile.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

Who is Jack?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

i've missed jo's connivance in all this. i heard her "that made my day" and general support for jade's nastiness. but nothing like the clangers from danielle.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

I don’t think it’d be too palatable to castigate her for the former – it’s snobbish, unsympathetic to her upbringing, and if anything the way she made herself a millionaire despite it is admirable.

Why? She has had four years now of being successful and wealthy and being aware that people look down on her partly because of her astonishing ignorance of what is some pretty basic general knowledge. You'd have to ask, if she's as bothered by all this as people are suggesting, why she hasn't taken steps to rectify this?

Is blaming her upbringing actually still possible when she's got £2m sitting in the bank and presumably nothing much to do most of the time? I'm not asking her to suddenly start reading Tolstoy but you'd think that other people in her position would at least not revel in their own ignorance.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

presumably nothing much to do most of the time?

Erm, apart from bringing up her kids that is.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

Interesting, our leader's varied responses: (Nicked from BBC's question of the day)

What did they say when pressed on the alleged racism in the Celebrity Big Brother house?
I prefer X Factor to Big Brother (Gordon Brown)
I have not seen the programme in question (Tony Blair)
There's a great regulator called the off button (David Cameron)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

Basically: Racism: If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it.

(how much of a tool/nobend is DC?)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

Matt DC - her ignorance is what made her millions thouhg, maybe she's scared to lose it in case she also loses her appeal?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Jade is scared of removing that crayon from up her nose then? (Simpsons reference)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

how much of a tool/nobend is DC?

i thought you meant Matt for a second there and got all nervous.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

I heard that next week they are going to put in Kerry Katona's kids!

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

I heard it was Charlotte Church's cousin.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

matt dc otm

i don't know where the others started in life, btw. if dirk acted the way she did, i suppose we'd have to check his schooling/upbringing etc?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

(does anyone from around here?)

i have voted in the past. i voted to get lesleh out and i voted to get maxwell out. i would vote to get any of the arse triplets (yes, i'm going to plough my lonely furrow) out.

i've missed jo's connivance in all this

she's been fucking horrible and i'm not sure the RJG-ometer above isn't the truth.

and yes, i agree with matt and enrique about jade. she revels in her own stupidity and appears to care not one jot about learning anything new. or, indeed, anything at all.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

Erm, apart from bringing up her kids that is.

I know it's cliched and patronising but I do feel sorry for kids who have to watch (or at least have some awareness of) their parents on TV behaving like wallies, or be teased about it as they grow up.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

on the other hand, they have loads of money so fuck em

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

how much of a tool/nobend is DC?
i thought you meant Matt for a second there and got all nervous.
-- vita susicivus (n...) (webmail), Today 11:12 AM. (later) (link)

My apologies. David Cameron, naturally.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

"she's been fucking horrible and i'm not sure the RJG-ometer above isn't the truth."

yeah but i've missed it and was hoping someone could clue me in - i've scanned the thread a bit.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

She doesn't have to say a lot.

"Ha ha, that made my day" and "That was brilliant, what you said" would be enough.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Surprised no-one noticed this phrase "child-like ignorance of general knowledge" in a post from none other than The Lex!

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

who says we didn't?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

haha

alan jo was the one who was all "that's why they so thin in india" and... it's a lot in her tone and stance too, as with the stew-in-toilet incident.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

i've read in another place about some vile things Jo has said. simple "bullying support" behaviour ("that made my day" etc) has not been enough to put her so high on the RJG-o-meter. for me.

xpost - yes the "thin in india". that's plain stupidity expressed in the envy-driven bullying.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

We're in danger of needing a new thread (1000 posts getting closer)..

with a title.

(well, don't look at me!)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

she doesn't seem quite as thick as jade or dippy as danielle therefore she must have a greater awareness/knowledge of her own and the others' bullying

her comments are not quite as insane and angry as jade's or as ridiculous and childish as danielle's. she has had the least actual interaction, in terms of arguing (jade) or apologising (danielle), w/ shilpa

she seemed, to me, to be the one who kept things slowly burning, in the beginning, and making sure that there were something building against shilpa

also, it's jo that does the comedy indian accent

crossposts

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

she doesn't seem quite as thick as jade or dippy as danielle therefore she must have a greater awareness/knowledge of her own and the others' bullying
her comments are not quite as insane and angry as jade's or as ridiculous and childish as danielle's. she has had the least actual interaction, in terms of arguing (jade) or apologising (danielle), w/ shilpa
she seemed, to me, to be the one who kept things slowly burning, in the beginning, and making sure that there were something building against shilpa

also, it's jo that does the comedy indian accent

All of which adds up to her, as you rightly pointed out, being the most unpleasant of the three. Her solo career's gonna be really fucked after this. I can see Jade coping, just about scraping through, apologising with tears and self-identified idiocy and jealousy, and no one cares if a model is a bit dim; but Jo is fucked.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

jade prolly has a stockpile of cash to keep her going. jo doesn't have a solo career - and no prospect of trying again.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

yeah jade doesn't actually need a 'career' any more.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

" jo that does the comedy indian accent"

OH I MISSED THAT TOTALLY.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

if you wanted to lots of things which are racist could be called 'stupid' or 'envy-driven' but why let jo off the hook? the national front thought immigrants were taking jobs from white men -- well; black african (or native american) religion appeared barbaric to white colonialists -- ignorance at work! none of these people are kids, and none of them live in a bubble, they've been in the world.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

Well yeah, she doens't, but I imagine her motivation for entering the house was reigniting it.

Several Xs.

Jade may not need a career financially, but she's got some pretty deepseated self-image and such issues that seem to be needing plenty of attention, the kind of attention that she's not gonna get alone in her frontroom.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

yeah the accent mockery by Jo, in the context it was used, is the thing.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

jack tweedy being left out of all this is kinda bad. he did call her a paki though c4 have claimed he said cunt (the comment was bleeped) as folks have said cunt doesn't end with an eeee sound. his "pick it out with your teeth" comment and the way it was delivered was as hateful as any of jade's rant.

― acrobat (elwisty), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

I'm so angered by all of this that I'm going to vote for the first time ever to get Jade out. But I'm also angered that by doing so I'm giving Channel 4/Endemol (who should be intervening) extra cash.

Also, what's to bet that Davina completely chickens out re: tackling the GLARING BIG ISSUE during the post-eviction interview. Sad face.

― marianna lcl (marianna lcl), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

Also, what's to bet that Davina completely chickens out re: tackling the GLARING BIG ISSUE during the post-eviction interview.

if they took bets on this, i would actually max out credit cards to do it.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

As usual Davina will bring it up, Jade will squirm her way out of it, Davina will take her side, together they'll both laugh about it. Then comes the lezzing up.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not letting jo off the hook. it's unpleasantness, whether its driven by racism or not doesn't make it more unpleasant. there is racism mixed in there though - as far as i can see.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

the only contestant i can recall davina actually giving a hard time was makosi. she def isn't going to do it to jade. maybe to danielle if she'd gone first but i have a horrible feeling jo and danielle, sans jade, will be less overtly appalling, and their part in this will be forgotten.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

does feel like jo knew that, if she stoked it, danielle would go along w/ it and jade would, eventually, go mental

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

wait, didn't Makosi totally get let off? or am i just thinking of Saskia thing?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

the only contestant i can recall davina actually giving a hard time was makosi.

FedericoBB3 and Becki BB5 as well. Weird that Eric Clapton's former girlfriend would coincidentally only have problems with the 1st/2nd immigrant contestants, but there you go.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

maxkia got let off, makosi got grilled. forgot about becki and didn't see federico (did he do anything bad in the house? did i even watch that series?)

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

federico was a bit creepiness? i remember marcello nailing him (maybe on com?).

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

Interesting front pages this morning. The Mirror goes with "BEAUTY VS BIGOT", The Sun has "HALFWIT JADE STARTS RACE WAR WITH INDIA", even the Express has something like "HOW CELEB BB SHAMED BRITAIN IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

Can't we just give India Keira Knightly to humilate on TV for a couple of weeks?

― chap (chap), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.tajemporium.com/sale/sarees_icons/liz_hulrey_in_sari.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

Okay HALFWIT JADE STARTS RACE WAR WITH INDIA is brilliantly OTT. Has the Government of Pakistan issued a statement yet?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

Now magazine (regular Jade users) are asking readers to vote on the issue of dropping Jade from the magazine.

http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/contact/index.php

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

that magazine has some serious employment problems. discrimination on grounds of gender much?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

"I would have sex with all this white girls"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

sorry they knocked you back dude (xpost)

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

what about all those video games mags staffed by nowt but meng?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

"that magazine has some serious employment problems"

you'd have to know who'd applying to be sure of that

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

i was all over 'street chic', it was in the bag.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:33 (eighteen years ago)

that magazine has some serious employment problems. discrimination on grounds of gender much?
-- the original hauntology blogging crew

Yes, and when all newspapers, mens' interest, music, film, computer, other specialist hobby, listings magazines and nearly every other branch of the media aren't staffed mostly by men, then you can complain that women's magazines are staffed mostly by women.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

mens' interest

You're forgetting Lucy Pinder's informative advice column in Nuts.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

You're forgetting what the word "mostly" means.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

for the love of god!

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

it was 1x joek

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0385425074.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

I will complain to Chairman Harris.

― Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

That Now magazine poll in full...

On CBB Jade Goody has been accused of bullying Shilpa. What do you think of Jade’s behaviour?
It’s disgusting – I never want to read about her again
80%
|
She’s only joking, it’s not serious
3%
|
I’ve always thought she’s a vile individual
12%
|
It’s up to Shilpa to stand up for herself
5%
|

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

federico was a bit creepiness? i remember marcello nailing him (maybe on com?).

I remember writing about that BB on CoM but IIRC I only mentioned Federico in passing as an Alan Cumming wannabe.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

thing is you can keep clicking it. you have unlimited votes.

― acrobat (elwisty), Thursday, 18 January 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

i don't know where the others started in life, btw. if dirk acted the way she did, i suppose we'd have to check his schooling/upbringing etc?

Both Jermaine and Dirk had shitty childhoods. Jermaine's is pretty well documented, and Dirk's father was apparently really abusive, and ended up getting shot and killed by Dirk's brother in front of Dirk. Yet, they seem like nice enough people.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

i didn't mean that the shittiness of her childhood made jade a nasty person - there's no excuse for the nastiness she's displayed - i meant that it's fairly clear why she turned out so ignorant of general knowledge, and probably unfair to castigate her because of that.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:07 (eighteen years ago)

I know, I was just kind of saying it out of interest, because it was a fact about someone in the house who I actually quite like.

It's all spoiled.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

ha there talking about it on radio 2 now. jeremy vine being serious cat on serious radio.

― acrobat (elwisty), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't Jade half white and half black?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

Two other comments last night, lost in the melee:

Jade: You a loser! (um, under what criteria?)

Jade: Well, when she goes, I aint sayin goodbye to her!

(oh you're certain she's going before you do?)

xpost That reminds me, Russell was quite restrained under the circumstances, although still defending her.

SunPerson on phone: "Well, she lied about her fitness regime, the liposuction etc"
Russell: "Ah, no-one cares about that do they?"

Nooh, no-one cares about Jade's little fibberonie regarding that. Shilpa's fib about only ordering Chicken Stock cubes a different matter obviously.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't Jade half white and half black?

What with the history of harmonious relationships between Asian and black communities in the UK, huh?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

That reminds me, Russell was quite restrained under the circumstances, although still defending her.

like dom says, they share an agent.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

and Nikki from BB last year

― acrobat (elwisty), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

Jackiey has never revealed who Jade's bilogical father is.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

Bradley was on GMTV, frowning. (I didn;t catch what he said, was busy with my trousers then)

I am still chortling at this.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

Jade's father :

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005390138,00.html

― C J (C J), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

Dom if you're implying that I think there is such a harmonious history between Asian and black people in the UK, I don't. I don't know one way or the other.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry, I forgot you're not of this nation born. Try and avoid Davina McCall, she may harsh you in the street.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

Jackiey has never revealed who Jade's bilogical father is.

Hughie Green: 11/4
Cliff Richard: 15/1
The New Schmoo: 33/1
Frank Bruno: 50/1
God: CALL

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.johnnoelmanagement.com/

Leigh Francis, Chantelle, small-faced Trevor the non-rapist from TMWRNJ... all Britain's finest celebs.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

Joe Mace! Pritchard from Dirty Sanchez! Matthew Wright! Karl Pilkington!

― acrobat (elwisty), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

Lex I think it's totally fair to chastise Jade for her general ignorance and lack of general knowledge because she has a choice between 'learn about stuff' and 'don't learn about stuff' and she's chosen the latter. Which is fair enough as long as you don't then start making it into a virtue to win a popularity contest.

Not to mention it's actually a tad disrespectful to the thousands of people who grow up in very similar circumstances to Jade who actually make an effort to be, y'know, informed about stuff. If you're arguing that her upbringing explains or even excuses her general ignorance then, well, isn't there a different strain of snobbery at work there?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

Former England batsman, Geoff Boycott, a friend of Shetty, told the BBC Asian Network that he was not impressed by what he had seen so far.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq8eLKwhTkU

How times have etc.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

http://vote.sparklit.com/poll.spark/1026031

Who do you want evicted on Friday?

Jade 91%
Shilpa 9%

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

Former England batsman, Geoff Boycott, a friend of Shetty, told the BBC Asian Network that he was not impressed by what he had seen so far.

"If it had been me she was talking to like that, I'd have hit her".

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

Jade's perfume is being withdrawn from sale.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

i guess it's cos she's more famous than jo and dannielle, but it's all three really, who are nasty. it would be unfair if she was made the escaped goat for it.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

Carphone Warehouse has pulled it's sponsorship "with immediate effect".

― The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

woah

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

hope this is only the end of jade, not of big brother

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just sad to hear that Chalky is dead.

― leigh (leigh), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

let go

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

campaign to get louis jagger on hoi-polloi big brother began last night

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

Crumbs: he's not wrong there.

"The Carphone Warehouse Group today announces that it is suspending its sponsorship of Channel 4’s Celebrity Big Brother programme," the company said in a statement.

"Our concern has rapidly mounted about the broadcast behaviour of individuals within the Big Brother house," said CEO Charles Dunstone. "We are totally against all forms of racism and bullying and indeed this behaviour is entirely at odds with the brand values of The Carphone Warehouse. As a result we feel that as long as this continues we are unable to associate our brand with the programme.

"We had already made it clear to Channel 4 that were this to continue, we would have to consider our position. Nothing we saw last night gave us any comfort. Accordingly we have instructed Channel 4 to remove our sponsorship name and branding with immediate effect."

DOES THIS MEAN WE'RE FREE OF MOWBLI? I sort of don't know whether I should change my opinion on the house (kidding, sorta).

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

"Brand Values"?

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, rapping and aerobics, or something.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

i think this is good because right or wrong i like corporate hullabaloo.

so will we not see the 'cute' mobile phone things between ad breaks on tonight's show now?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

How awful.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

It's the remix.

http://electrosheep.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Your%20claim%20to%20fame%20is%20this.mp3

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

presumably somebody has already cut up Sayer's f-word tirades and spliced them with 'Thunder In My Heatr Agane' already? (I was tempted)

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

dance expert people what is the tune with the CBB quotes over it? is it famous or an original?

― acrobat (elwisty), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

some Indian media reaction - good stuff here.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

there, you mean

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

No, the link's full of shit.

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

thanks RJG

tissp?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

Was a continuation of joke

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

huh

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

It's official!

Jade, Shilpa up for eviction
Day 16, 14:54 UTC - by James Welsh

Jade and Shilpa will face the public vote tomorrow, Channel 4 CEO Andy Duncan has confirmed.

"Tomorrow night Jade and Shilpa will face the public vote," said Duncan. "The British public has the opportunity to cut through the claim and counter-claim and pass its judgement on the events of the last week."

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, BUT...

Day 16, 14:46: Dirk has made a sock puppet and is entertaining Cleo and Jermaine with it at the kitchen table.

....

Day 16, 14:42: Dirk is playing the spoons for Cleo at the kitchen table while the housemates wait for the garden blinds to be lifted.

HE MUST WIN

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

dirk is like the one non-choad in there. he should maybe weigh in a little more with the arse triplets.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

channel 4's statement in full is kinda like "look aren't we clever showing how prevelant not actual racism eh cultural differences are in modern britian" then trying to boost the shilpa / jade vote as some kind of ali vs foreman match of the century thing.

― acrobat (elwisty), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

When Dirk gets evicted an old skool Cylon must be allowed to pass by him en route to Davina.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

DOES THIS MEAN WE'RE FREE OF MOWBLI? I sort of don't know whether I should change my opinion on the house (kidding, sorta).

Hey! Leave little Mowbli alone. Family, innit?

When Dirk gets evicted an old skool Cylon must be allowed to pass by him en route to Davina.

That would SO RULE!

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Jade's eviction should be like in the Doctor Who "Bad Wolf" version of Big brother complete with a Davina-droid, and getting disintegrated

― C J (C J), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, they should let us do Big Brother. We would be GRATE. Of course, we would be even worse at holding in our laughter than the people who are actually running Big Brother, but still...

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Don't worry, Steve

(xhurdle)

― you win again, gravity! (tissp), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

this 'louis jagger for bb' thing is golden.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

I tried to persuade Calum to go for it, back in the day.

I do get the feeling Leo was how it would have gone like.
(Convinced he's a funny guy, eventually descends into abuse/swearing/irritation factor)

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Also, according to Danielle, Leo suggested she should do the cleaning up topless one day.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

i bet she was terribly offended.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Right, thread two coming up!

Celebrity Big Brother 2007 Thread Two - Severance or Reparation of East/West relations - it's up to you!

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

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